<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_06_1431240</id>
	<title>Enterprise Security For the Executive</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1262804160000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>brothke writes <i>"If Shakespeare were to write an information security tragedy, it would not be titled Hamlet, rather Bayuk.  The story of Jennifer Bayuk is tragic in that she spent a decade as CISO at Bear, Stearns, building up its security group to be one of the best in the business; only to find it vaporized when the firm collapsed and was acquired by J.P. Morgan Clearing Corp.  After all that toil and sweat, Bayuk was out of a job. (Full disclosure: Bayuk and I have given a presentation together in the past, and I did get a copy of this book for free.)"</i> Read below for Ben's review.</htmltext>
<tokenext>brothke writes " If Shakespeare were to write an information security tragedy , it would not be titled Hamlet , rather Bayuk .
The story of Jennifer Bayuk is tragic in that she spent a decade as CISO at Bear , Stearns , building up its security group to be one of the best in the business ; only to find it vaporized when the firm collapsed and was acquired by J.P. Morgan Clearing Corp. After all that toil and sweat , Bayuk was out of a job .
( Full disclosure : Bayuk and I have given a presentation together in the past , and I did get a copy of this book for free .
) " Read below for Ben 's review .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>brothke writes "If Shakespeare were to write an information security tragedy, it would not be titled Hamlet, rather Bayuk.
The story of Jennifer Bayuk is tragic in that she spent a decade as CISO at Bear, Stearns, building up its security group to be one of the best in the business; only to find it vaporized when the firm collapsed and was acquired by J.P. Morgan Clearing Corp.  After all that toil and sweat, Bayuk was out of a job.
(Full disclosure: Bayuk and I have given a presentation together in the past, and I did get a copy of this book for free.
)" Read below for Ben's review.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30675042</id>
	<title>She needs to secure herself a better web site</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262773140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's no wonder she is out of a job, I haven't seen that level of HTML design since Frontpage 1.0.  Come on, security is nice but image is everything!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's no wonder she is out of a job , I have n't seen that level of HTML design since Frontpage 1.0 .
Come on , security is nice but image is everything !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's no wonder she is out of a job, I haven't seen that level of HTML design since Frontpage 1.0.
Come on, security is nice but image is everything!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30673280</id>
	<title>\_\_\_ for the Executive</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262808240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Err... so what's all this paper crap between the covers? Oh, I get it, that's so it doesn't fall over. Very clever.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Err... so what 's all this paper crap between the covers ?
Oh , I get it , that 's so it does n't fall over .
Very clever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Err... so what's all this paper crap between the covers?
Oh, I get it, that's so it doesn't fall over.
Very clever.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30685724</id>
	<title>I don't really trust this review(er)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262893380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What shakespearean fate did she suffer?!  She got downsized in a major recession after her company folded.  But it was from a C-Level position?  Oh, woe.  Oh the humanity.  What epic greatness did she exhibit?  Well, nothing verifiable.  Unsurprisingly, since it isn't like anyone brags about their (or their industry's) faults and security breaches. Certainly not banks. We're not going to see some CISO Martin Luther nailing (emailing) his manifesto of change any time soon, unless they plan a career change.</p><p>Beyond this dreck, my reaction was the same here as for any other review(er) that likes spinning a good yarn -- deeply flawed.  That'd go double for reviewers using hyperbole like I've just mentioned in introducing the author. The whole review becomes questionable since the reviewer is evidently more into building their own personal narrative than doing their job: reviewing the damn book at hand.  I'm left wondering if you discarded or overlooked review data that didn't fit your narrative.</p><p>Hate to get pedantic, but: Review the book.  If favorable, point out flaws.  If unfavorable, point out a few good points.   While you're at it, indicate the target audience the book seems best suited for, such as artists, engineers, IT, suits, students, or as firestarter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What shakespearean fate did she suffer ? !
She got downsized in a major recession after her company folded .
But it was from a C-Level position ?
Oh , woe .
Oh the humanity .
What epic greatness did she exhibit ?
Well , nothing verifiable .
Unsurprisingly , since it is n't like anyone brags about their ( or their industry 's ) faults and security breaches .
Certainly not banks .
We 're not going to see some CISO Martin Luther nailing ( emailing ) his manifesto of change any time soon , unless they plan a career change.Beyond this dreck , my reaction was the same here as for any other review ( er ) that likes spinning a good yarn -- deeply flawed .
That 'd go double for reviewers using hyperbole like I 've just mentioned in introducing the author .
The whole review becomes questionable since the reviewer is evidently more into building their own personal narrative than doing their job : reviewing the damn book at hand .
I 'm left wondering if you discarded or overlooked review data that did n't fit your narrative.Hate to get pedantic , but : Review the book .
If favorable , point out flaws .
If unfavorable , point out a few good points .
While you 're at it , indicate the target audience the book seems best suited for , such as artists , engineers , IT , suits , students , or as firestarter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What shakespearean fate did she suffer?!
She got downsized in a major recession after her company folded.
But it was from a C-Level position?
Oh, woe.
Oh the humanity.
What epic greatness did she exhibit?
Well, nothing verifiable.
Unsurprisingly, since it isn't like anyone brags about their (or their industry's) faults and security breaches.
Certainly not banks.
We're not going to see some CISO Martin Luther nailing (emailing) his manifesto of change any time soon, unless they plan a career change.Beyond this dreck, my reaction was the same here as for any other review(er) that likes spinning a good yarn -- deeply flawed.
That'd go double for reviewers using hyperbole like I've just mentioned in introducing the author.
The whole review becomes questionable since the reviewer is evidently more into building their own personal narrative than doing their job: reviewing the damn book at hand.
I'm left wondering if you discarded or overlooked review data that didn't fit your narrative.Hate to get pedantic, but: Review the book.
If favorable, point out flaws.
If unfavorable, point out a few good points.
While you're at it, indicate the target audience the book seems best suited for, such as artists, engineers, IT, suits, students, or as firestarter.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30678250</id>
	<title>Enterprise Security</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262792220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Chapter 1 - Hire Worf</p><p>Nuff said</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Chapter 1 - Hire WorfNuff said</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chapter 1 - Hire WorfNuff said</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30675894</id>
	<title>Re:hmm</title>
	<author>H0p313ss</author>
	<datestamp>1262776800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Where's the problem?</p></div><p>Probably the ulcer and chronic migraines.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where 's the problem ? Probably the ulcer and chronic migraines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where's the problem?Probably the ulcer and chronic migraines.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30673906</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30674016</id>
	<title>Executive summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262768520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Chapter 1:</p><p>- Hire someone who knows what the hell they are doing, and let them do it.</p><p>Chapter 2:</p><p>- Let's work on that golf swing!</p><p>[and so on]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Chapter 1 : - Hire someone who knows what the hell they are doing , and let them do it.Chapter 2 : - Let 's work on that golf swing !
[ and so on ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chapter 1:- Hire someone who knows what the hell they are doing, and let them do it.Chapter 2:- Let's work on that golf swing!
[and so on]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30673676</id>
	<title>executive summary on security</title>
	<author>prgrmr</author>
	<datestamp>1262810100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Security is something you <b>do</b>, not just somethings you have. In addition to hardware, software, policy and procedures, security requires discipline, constant vigilance, and flexible adaptability to the changing world around us. If you don't have or aren't willing to acquire the latter three of those aspects of security, the preceding four aren't going to cover your risk.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Security is something you do , not just somethings you have .
In addition to hardware , software , policy and procedures , security requires discipline , constant vigilance , and flexible adaptability to the changing world around us .
If you do n't have or are n't willing to acquire the latter three of those aspects of security , the preceding four are n't going to cover your risk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Security is something you do, not just somethings you have.
In addition to hardware, software, policy and procedures, security requires discipline, constant vigilance, and flexible adaptability to the changing world around us.
If you don't have or aren't willing to acquire the latter three of those aspects of security, the preceding four aren't going to cover your risk.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30684102</id>
	<title>Re:Security is about Risk Management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262886660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...Now will someone tell me why I should trust someone to tell a business person how to do the IT Risk Management who worked at a bank whose major failing was in Risk Management.</p><p>she does IT Sec Risk mgmt.</p><p>Bear failed on financial risk mgmt.</p><p>focus on that they never had a data breach.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...Now will someone tell me why I should trust someone to tell a business person how to do the IT Risk Management who worked at a bank whose major failing was in Risk Management.she does IT Sec Risk mgmt.Bear failed on financial risk mgmt.focus on that they never had a data breach .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...Now will someone tell me why I should trust someone to tell a business person how to do the IT Risk Management who worked at a bank whose major failing was in Risk Management.she does IT Sec Risk mgmt.Bear failed on financial risk mgmt.focus on that they never had a data breach.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30673464</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30674572</id>
	<title>In a sentence:</title>
	<author>rickb928</author>
	<datestamp>1262770740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"And to the extent which a CxO controls assets, is the extent to which others can't use them in unexpected ways."</p><p>She nailed it.  Enterprise security is indeed a culture, not a function.  You got it, or you don't.</p><p>Not only Heartland, but Hannford, show the importance of the culture of ritual and 'things you just don't do'.  Virtually every time you hear of a consultant/temp blowing up security and causing a breach, you see the same thing - the organization needs this to be a business-as-usual approach from the top down.  It's not only about doing it right, it's about there being no other way.</p><p>And then giving your CxOs the authority and assets to actually perform.  All the way down.</p><p>At my work, there are lots of things we just don't do.  My work computer never sees the Internet except through the corporate proxy, either in office or via VPN.  I do have the ability to install any software I want, bit I don't install anything that I would not want to justify to the security folks.  We get Adobe Reader configured as plain-vanilla, and I turn off Javascript just because.  I watch my virus-scanning and resolve any occasional alerts.  We also use Cisco Security Agent, and I tolerate it when it jumps in and says no.</p><p>I could be messing about with any number of questionable things, but it's not worth it.</p><p>Now, my home machines, that's different.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" And to the extent which a CxO controls assets , is the extent to which others ca n't use them in unexpected ways .
" She nailed it .
Enterprise security is indeed a culture , not a function .
You got it , or you do n't.Not only Heartland , but Hannford , show the importance of the culture of ritual and 'things you just do n't do' .
Virtually every time you hear of a consultant/temp blowing up security and causing a breach , you see the same thing - the organization needs this to be a business-as-usual approach from the top down .
It 's not only about doing it right , it 's about there being no other way.And then giving your CxOs the authority and assets to actually perform .
All the way down.At my work , there are lots of things we just do n't do .
My work computer never sees the Internet except through the corporate proxy , either in office or via VPN .
I do have the ability to install any software I want , bit I do n't install anything that I would not want to justify to the security folks .
We get Adobe Reader configured as plain-vanilla , and I turn off Javascript just because .
I watch my virus-scanning and resolve any occasional alerts .
We also use Cisco Security Agent , and I tolerate it when it jumps in and says no.I could be messing about with any number of questionable things , but it 's not worth it.Now , my home machines , that 's different .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"And to the extent which a CxO controls assets, is the extent to which others can't use them in unexpected ways.
"She nailed it.
Enterprise security is indeed a culture, not a function.
You got it, or you don't.Not only Heartland, but Hannford, show the importance of the culture of ritual and 'things you just don't do'.
Virtually every time you hear of a consultant/temp blowing up security and causing a breach, you see the same thing - the organization needs this to be a business-as-usual approach from the top down.
It's not only about doing it right, it's about there being no other way.And then giving your CxOs the authority and assets to actually perform.
All the way down.At my work, there are lots of things we just don't do.
My work computer never sees the Internet except through the corporate proxy, either in office or via VPN.
I do have the ability to install any software I want, bit I don't install anything that I would not want to justify to the security folks.
We get Adobe Reader configured as plain-vanilla, and I turn off Javascript just because.
I watch my virus-scanning and resolve any occasional alerts.
We also use Cisco Security Agent, and I tolerate it when it jumps in and says no.I could be messing about with any number of questionable things, but it's not worth it.Now, my home machines, that's different.
:)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30673372</id>
	<title>Security, in corporate America?  lolll..</title>
	<author>ibsteve2u</author>
	<datestamp>1262808660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had a top secret security clearance with an armful of qualifiers by the time I was 18.  The intensity of the security requirements for the things that I did in no way left me prepared for what was misnamed "security" in the corporate world, but it did lead me to abruptly learn one thing:  It is not smart to tell anybody who has more power or connections than you do that their laziness or ineptness poses a a security or business continuity risk.</p><p>All things - to include security - play second fiddle to office politics in corporate America.

</p><p>Except, of course, in those rare instances where <i>everybody</i> in the executive suites has a vested interest in keeping either their competitors or the government unaware of their activities.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a top secret security clearance with an armful of qualifiers by the time I was 18 .
The intensity of the security requirements for the things that I did in no way left me prepared for what was misnamed " security " in the corporate world , but it did lead me to abruptly learn one thing : It is not smart to tell anybody who has more power or connections than you do that their laziness or ineptness poses a a security or business continuity risk.All things - to include security - play second fiddle to office politics in corporate America .
Except , of course , in those rare instances where everybody in the executive suites has a vested interest in keeping either their competitors or the government unaware of their activities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a top secret security clearance with an armful of qualifiers by the time I was 18.
The intensity of the security requirements for the things that I did in no way left me prepared for what was misnamed "security" in the corporate world, but it did lead me to abruptly learn one thing:  It is not smart to tell anybody who has more power or connections than you do that their laziness or ineptness poses a a security or business continuity risk.All things - to include security - play second fiddle to office politics in corporate America.
Except, of course, in those rare instances where everybody in the executive suites has a vested interest in keeping either their competitors or the government unaware of their activities.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30674060</id>
	<title>Bear was the least secure company.  EVAR!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262768640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work for a company that uses Bear Stearns services.</p><p>These services REQUIRE that users have:<br>Local Administrative privileges<br>Run IE6<br>Run MSJava 3 years after MS pulled the plug on it (Later revised to only allow Sun Java 1.4 r16, which is several years old).</p><p>That's the insecurity trifecta that is foisted on the people managing your money.</p><p>We still cannot upgrade past Windows XP to this very day because of these HIDEOUS requirements.  JP Morgan is barely now getting the ball moving on updating these services.</p><p>Shes obviously has no clue about security.  I don't have to read the article or book.  I would suggest ignoring her completely, and hopefully blackballing her from ever holding any position again.</p><p>-nb</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work for a company that uses Bear Stearns services.These services REQUIRE that users have : Local Administrative privilegesRun IE6Run MSJava 3 years after MS pulled the plug on it ( Later revised to only allow Sun Java 1.4 r16 , which is several years old ) .That 's the insecurity trifecta that is foisted on the people managing your money.We still can not upgrade past Windows XP to this very day because of these HIDEOUS requirements .
JP Morgan is barely now getting the ball moving on updating these services.Shes obviously has no clue about security .
I do n't have to read the article or book .
I would suggest ignoring her completely , and hopefully blackballing her from ever holding any position again.-nb</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work for a company that uses Bear Stearns services.These services REQUIRE that users have:Local Administrative privilegesRun IE6Run MSJava 3 years after MS pulled the plug on it (Later revised to only allow Sun Java 1.4 r16, which is several years old).That's the insecurity trifecta that is foisted on the people managing your money.We still cannot upgrade past Windows XP to this very day because of these HIDEOUS requirements.
JP Morgan is barely now getting the ball moving on updating these services.Shes obviously has no clue about security.
I don't have to read the article or book.
I would suggest ignoring her completely, and hopefully blackballing her from ever holding any position again.-nb</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30673670</id>
	<title>Oh my god</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262810040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After hearing that description, I would rather eat glass than read this book.  Nonetheless, as much as I hate to admit it, the attitude of the higher execs really will make the difference between an organization that follows security policy, and one that just buys a bunch of equipment and pretends that it's helping them.</p><p>Sadly, I don't think that any of this fuzzy management advice is going to make much of a difference in the current environment.  What will happen is that criminal groups will become more effective and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/that/ will have an effect on the stock price.  As a result, CEOs will emphasize security as a top priority.  Then you'll see them hiring &amp; giving real power to bright folks who know what they're doing, and making sure that the employees follow policy.  The results will trickle down.  But there has to be real pain before this is anything more than buzzwords.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After hearing that description , I would rather eat glass than read this book .
Nonetheless , as much as I hate to admit it , the attitude of the higher execs really will make the difference between an organization that follows security policy , and one that just buys a bunch of equipment and pretends that it 's helping them.Sadly , I do n't think that any of this fuzzy management advice is going to make much of a difference in the current environment .
What will happen is that criminal groups will become more effective and /that/ will have an effect on the stock price .
As a result , CEOs will emphasize security as a top priority .
Then you 'll see them hiring &amp; giving real power to bright folks who know what they 're doing , and making sure that the employees follow policy .
The results will trickle down .
But there has to be real pain before this is anything more than buzzwords .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After hearing that description, I would rather eat glass than read this book.
Nonetheless, as much as I hate to admit it, the attitude of the higher execs really will make the difference between an organization that follows security policy, and one that just buys a bunch of equipment and pretends that it's helping them.Sadly, I don't think that any of this fuzzy management advice is going to make much of a difference in the current environment.
What will happen is that criminal groups will become more effective and /that/ will have an effect on the stock price.
As a result, CEOs will emphasize security as a top priority.
Then you'll see them hiring &amp; giving real power to bright folks who know what they're doing, and making sure that the employees follow policy.
The results will trickle down.
But there has to be real pain before this is anything more than buzzwords.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30674014</id>
	<title>Re:Review author lives in a happy place</title>
	<author>Red Flayer</author>
	<datestamp>1262768460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Could be a matter of selection bias.  Maybe he doesn't bother reading books not highly recommended to him by others.  <br> <br>Or could be a matter of reporting bias.  Maye he doesn't bother writing reviews for books that aren't very good.<br> <br>Maybe he really does suffer from the "video game rating" problem where the minimum score is 6 on a 10-point scale.  But no matter what, you'd be silly to spend a lot of time on <i>anything</i> based on the review of single person.<br> <br>I know in my case, I don't have a lot of free time... I don't think I've read a book in the last two years that I wouldn't give at least a 9 out of 10... partly because I get most of my books at the library, and the first chapter or so of any book is enough information for me to decide to read the whole book or not.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could be a matter of selection bias .
Maybe he does n't bother reading books not highly recommended to him by others .
Or could be a matter of reporting bias .
Maye he does n't bother writing reviews for books that are n't very good .
Maybe he really does suffer from the " video game rating " problem where the minimum score is 6 on a 10-point scale .
But no matter what , you 'd be silly to spend a lot of time on anything based on the review of single person .
I know in my case , I do n't have a lot of free time... I do n't think I 've read a book in the last two years that I would n't give at least a 9 out of 10... partly because I get most of my books at the library , and the first chapter or so of any book is enough information for me to decide to read the whole book or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could be a matter of selection bias.
Maybe he doesn't bother reading books not highly recommended to him by others.
Or could be a matter of reporting bias.
Maye he doesn't bother writing reviews for books that aren't very good.
Maybe he really does suffer from the "video game rating" problem where the minimum score is 6 on a 10-point scale.
But no matter what, you'd be silly to spend a lot of time on anything based on the review of single person.
I know in my case, I don't have a lot of free time... I don't think I've read a book in the last two years that I wouldn't give at least a 9 out of 10... partly because I get most of my books at the library, and the first chapter or so of any book is enough information for me to decide to read the whole book or not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30675872</id>
	<title>Re:Bear was the least secure company. EVAR!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262776680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and u r the smartest security evar?</p><p>u meant Bear is worse than tj maxx?  it thought they were the worst EVAR!!!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and u r the smartest security evar ? u meant Bear is worse than tj maxx ?
it thought they were the worst EVAR ! ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and u r the smartest security evar?u meant Bear is worse than tj maxx?
it thought they were the worst EVAR!!!!
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30674060</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30673810</id>
	<title>Re:Security, in corporate America? lolll..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262810760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If only there was some sort of person in charge of security for a cleared facility that you're required to report such things to, some sort of, I don't know, Facility Security Officer....</p><p>

Or a dozen toll free numbers to anonymously report said violations if that route is compromised. But no, don't bother following procedure or the proper channels to protect national security, just keep telling your boss that he's inept and lazy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If only there was some sort of person in charge of security for a cleared facility that you 're required to report such things to , some sort of , I do n't know , Facility Security Officer... . Or a dozen toll free numbers to anonymously report said violations if that route is compromised .
But no , do n't bother following procedure or the proper channels to protect national security , just keep telling your boss that he 's inept and lazy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If only there was some sort of person in charge of security for a cleared facility that you're required to report such things to, some sort of, I don't know, Facility Security Officer....

Or a dozen toll free numbers to anonymously report said violations if that route is compromised.
But no, don't bother following procedure or the proper channels to protect national security, just keep telling your boss that he's inept and lazy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30673464</id>
	<title>Security is about Risk Management</title>
	<author>MosesJones</author>
	<datestamp>1262809020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Simply put Security is a standard Risk Management job, the risk of the problem occurring against the cost of preventing it.  This then includes the cultural requirements for risk avoidance and the practices to ensure that.</p><p>Now will someone tell me why I should trust someone to tell a business person how to do the IT Risk Management who worked at a bank whose major failing was in Risk Management.</p><p>Isn't that like asking an Enron accountant to teach you ethics?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Simply put Security is a standard Risk Management job , the risk of the problem occurring against the cost of preventing it .
This then includes the cultural requirements for risk avoidance and the practices to ensure that.Now will someone tell me why I should trust someone to tell a business person how to do the IT Risk Management who worked at a bank whose major failing was in Risk Management.Is n't that like asking an Enron accountant to teach you ethics ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Simply put Security is a standard Risk Management job, the risk of the problem occurring against the cost of preventing it.
This then includes the cultural requirements for risk avoidance and the practices to ensure that.Now will someone tell me why I should trust someone to tell a business person how to do the IT Risk Management who worked at a bank whose major failing was in Risk Management.Isn't that like asking an Enron accountant to teach you ethics?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30684672</id>
	<title>Re:Executive summary</title>
	<author>An ominous Cow art</author>
	<datestamp>1262888880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Keep in mind that Enterprise security personnel wore the red shirts, and we all know what happens to them...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Keep in mind that Enterprise security personnel wore the red shirts , and we all know what happens to them.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Keep in mind that Enterprise security personnel wore the red shirts, and we all know what happens to them...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30675442</id>
	<title>Re:hmm</title>
	<author>tnk1</author>
	<datestamp>1262775000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And all she got out of it was a lot of money, material for a book, and a great resume.  Where's the problem?</p></div><p>Those are certainly compensations, but even though executives are frequently overpaid, most of them on average probably work longer hours than most of their employees do between travel, meetings and high level planning and decision making.  Some people are after money, but many more are after *power* and no matter what sort of parachute you get, golden or lead, once you have a certain amount of money in the bank, your interests may well shift away from simply acquiring even more comfort and material goods and more towards shaping the world around you.</p><p>And like many lower level people on the totem pole, they probably get some satisfaction from creating something that works, and then being able to run it for awhile and look back at it as a success.  There are many people even in the non-executive world, who would prefer a more satisfying job over a larger paycheck.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And all she got out of it was a lot of money , material for a book , and a great resume .
Where 's the problem ? Those are certainly compensations , but even though executives are frequently overpaid , most of them on average probably work longer hours than most of their employees do between travel , meetings and high level planning and decision making .
Some people are after money , but many more are after * power * and no matter what sort of parachute you get , golden or lead , once you have a certain amount of money in the bank , your interests may well shift away from simply acquiring even more comfort and material goods and more towards shaping the world around you.And like many lower level people on the totem pole , they probably get some satisfaction from creating something that works , and then being able to run it for awhile and look back at it as a success .
There are many people even in the non-executive world , who would prefer a more satisfying job over a larger paycheck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And all she got out of it was a lot of money, material for a book, and a great resume.
Where's the problem?Those are certainly compensations, but even though executives are frequently overpaid, most of them on average probably work longer hours than most of their employees do between travel, meetings and high level planning and decision making.
Some people are after money, but many more are after *power* and no matter what sort of parachute you get, golden or lead, once you have a certain amount of money in the bank, your interests may well shift away from simply acquiring even more comfort and material goods and more towards shaping the world around you.And like many lower level people on the totem pole, they probably get some satisfaction from creating something that works, and then being able to run it for awhile and look back at it as a success.
There are many people even in the non-executive world, who would prefer a more satisfying job over a larger paycheck.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30673906</id>
	<title>hmm</title>
	<author>nomadic</author>
	<datestamp>1262811240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>The story of Jennifer Bayuk is tragic in that she spent a decade as CISO at Bear, Stearns, building up its security group to be one of the best in the business; only to find it vaporized when the firm collapsed and was acquired by J.P. Morgan Clearing Corp.</i>
<br>
<br>
And all she got out of it was a lot of money, material for a book, and a great resume.  Where's the problem?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The story of Jennifer Bayuk is tragic in that she spent a decade as CISO at Bear , Stearns , building up its security group to be one of the best in the business ; only to find it vaporized when the firm collapsed and was acquired by J.P. Morgan Clearing Corp . And all she got out of it was a lot of money , material for a book , and a great resume .
Where 's the problem ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The story of Jennifer Bayuk is tragic in that she spent a decade as CISO at Bear, Stearns, building up its security group to be one of the best in the business; only to find it vaporized when the firm collapsed and was acquired by J.P. Morgan Clearing Corp.


And all she got out of it was a lot of money, material for a book, and a great resume.
Where's the problem?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30674774</id>
	<title>Re:What was she securing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262771940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>She was in the kitchen securing a sandwich for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>She was in the kitchen securing a sandwich for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>She was in the kitchen securing a sandwich for me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30684036</id>
	<title>Re:Bear was the least secure company. EVAR!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262886420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nearly every large corporation over 20 years old is in the same situation.  XP, IE6, some old java.  Local admin rights.  Some CPU sapping virus scanner program firing off at 5:30pm rendering the user PC useless.  Frustrated users leave for home instead of continuing work.  Activated network ports are not tied to a specific MAC, so any netbook, laptop, etc can be plugged in (and thus snoop).
<p>
Security requires a price in time and effort, and there are always compromises in order to get work accomplished.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nearly every large corporation over 20 years old is in the same situation .
XP , IE6 , some old java .
Local admin rights .
Some CPU sapping virus scanner program firing off at 5 : 30pm rendering the user PC useless .
Frustrated users leave for home instead of continuing work .
Activated network ports are not tied to a specific MAC , so any netbook , laptop , etc can be plugged in ( and thus snoop ) .
Security requires a price in time and effort , and there are always compromises in order to get work accomplished .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nearly every large corporation over 20 years old is in the same situation.
XP, IE6, some old java.
Local admin rights.
Some CPU sapping virus scanner program firing off at 5:30pm rendering the user PC useless.
Frustrated users leave for home instead of continuing work.
Activated network ports are not tied to a specific MAC, so any netbook, laptop, etc can be plugged in (and thus snoop).
Security requires a price in time and effort, and there are always compromises in order to get work accomplished.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30673200</id>
	<title>NIGGERS!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262807880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How was break dancing invented?  From <b>niggers</b> trying to steal hubcaps from moving cars.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How was break dancing invented ?
From niggers trying to steal hubcaps from moving cars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How was break dancing invented?
From niggers trying to steal hubcaps from moving cars.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30673892</id>
	<title>Re:Security, in corporate America? lolll..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262811180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Except, of course, in those rare instances where <i>everybody</i> in the executive suites has a vested interest in keeping either their competitors or the government unaware of their activities.</p></div><p>Wadda ya mean "either"?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Except , of course , in those rare instances where everybody in the executive suites has a vested interest in keeping either their competitors or the government unaware of their activities.Wadda ya mean " either " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except, of course, in those rare instances where everybody in the executive suites has a vested interest in keeping either their competitors or the government unaware of their activities.Wadda ya mean "either"?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30709802</id>
	<title>Re:\_\_\_ for the Executive</title>
	<author>chessbase</author>
	<datestamp>1263032880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>

maybe</htmltext>
<tokenext>maybe</tokentext>
<sentencetext>

maybe</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30674362</id>
	<title>Re:Review author lives in a happy place</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1262769840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe the reviewer only bothers to write reviews for books he likes.
</p><p>I'm not saying you're wrong to be suspicious.  I'm just pointing out that there's at least one valid reason why a reviewer would trend toward positive reviews.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe the reviewer only bothers to write reviews for books he likes .
I 'm not saying you 're wrong to be suspicious .
I 'm just pointing out that there 's at least one valid reason why a reviewer would trend toward positive reviews .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe the reviewer only bothers to write reviews for books he likes.
I'm not saying you're wrong to be suspicious.
I'm just pointing out that there's at least one valid reason why a reviewer would trend toward positive reviews.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30677614</id>
	<title>Re:She needs to secure herself a better web site</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262787000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and you image is?????????</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and you image is ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and you image is????????
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30677920</id>
	<title>Re:Executive summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262789280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would like to offer you a position in creating executive summaries for enterprise management books.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would like to offer you a position in creating executive summaries for enterprise management books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would like to offer you a position in creating executive summaries for enterprise management books.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30673234</id>
	<title>This book will...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262808000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>boldly go where no security consultant has gone before!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>boldly go where no security consultant has gone before !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>boldly go where no security consultant has gone before!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30673684</id>
	<title>Review author lives in a happy place</title>
	<author>owlstead</author>
	<datestamp>1262810160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since the last 4 or 5 book reviews he puts up on Amazon (including this one) get 5/5 stars (and only one out of many scores only two stars). I'm not saying that that is wrong or anything, but it does make me just slightly wary. If anyone else has another opinion please post it because this review alone won't let me buy the book.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since the last 4 or 5 book reviews he puts up on Amazon ( including this one ) get 5/5 stars ( and only one out of many scores only two stars ) .
I 'm not saying that that is wrong or anything , but it does make me just slightly wary .
If anyone else has another opinion please post it because this review alone wo n't let me buy the book .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since the last 4 or 5 book reviews he puts up on Amazon (including this one) get 5/5 stars (and only one out of many scores only two stars).
I'm not saying that that is wrong or anything, but it does make me just slightly wary.
If anyone else has another opinion please post it because this review alone won't let me buy the book.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30681174</id>
	<title>Re:Security, in corporate America? lolll..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262872140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;I had a top secret security clearance with an armful of qualifiers by the time I was 18.</p><p>wow superman, what else did you do?</p><p>let's see, to get a clearance, one has to be at least 18.</p><p>and you are telling me with all the paperwork and background checks that need to be done, that was done, WITH A TOP SECRET, in your 18th year?</p><p>what else?  did u win a pulitzer prize also?<br>nobel?<br>world series ring??????</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; I had a top secret security clearance with an armful of qualifiers by the time I was 18.wow superman , what else did you do ? let 's see , to get a clearance , one has to be at least 18.and you are telling me with all the paperwork and background checks that need to be done , that was done , WITH A TOP SECRET , in your 18th year ? what else ?
did u win a pulitzer prize also ? nobel ? world series ring ? ? ? ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;I had a top secret security clearance with an armful of qualifiers by the time I was 18.wow superman, what else did you do?let's see, to get a clearance, one has to be at least 18.and you are telling me with all the paperwork and background checks that need to be done, that was done, WITH A TOP SECRET, in your 18th year?what else?
did u win a pulitzer prize also?nobel?world series ring?????
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30675124</id>
	<title>Re:Security, in corporate America? lolll..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262773500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I had a top secret security clearance with an armful of qualifiers by the time I was 18.</p></div></blockquote><p>This is less impressive and far more common than it sounds. At that age, most folks have few if any traits or events in their past which might disqualify them from a clearance, or raise any red flags during the background reuired for a TS/SCI. At 18 you simply haven't lived long enough to rack up substantial debt, make enemies, have embarrassing sexual proclivities, etc. A little drug abuse, a few petty crimes on the rap sheet, no big deal; they don't care about the sort of stuff most teens have gotten into.</p><p>In short, the average 18 year old is impossible to extort or blackmail, and will have no demonstrable history of being untrustworthy. Rubber-stamp clearance, son.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a top secret security clearance with an armful of qualifiers by the time I was 18.This is less impressive and far more common than it sounds .
At that age , most folks have few if any traits or events in their past which might disqualify them from a clearance , or raise any red flags during the background reuired for a TS/SCI .
At 18 you simply have n't lived long enough to rack up substantial debt , make enemies , have embarrassing sexual proclivities , etc .
A little drug abuse , a few petty crimes on the rap sheet , no big deal ; they do n't care about the sort of stuff most teens have gotten into.In short , the average 18 year old is impossible to extort or blackmail , and will have no demonstrable history of being untrustworthy .
Rubber-stamp clearance , son .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a top secret security clearance with an armful of qualifiers by the time I was 18.This is less impressive and far more common than it sounds.
At that age, most folks have few if any traits or events in their past which might disqualify them from a clearance, or raise any red flags during the background reuired for a TS/SCI.
At 18 you simply haven't lived long enough to rack up substantial debt, make enemies, have embarrassing sexual proclivities, etc.
A little drug abuse, a few petty crimes on the rap sheet, no big deal; they don't care about the sort of stuff most teens have gotten into.In short, the average 18 year old is impossible to extort or blackmail, and will have no demonstrable history of being untrustworthy.
Rubber-stamp clearance, son.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30678338</id>
	<title>Re:hmm</title>
	<author>Gorobei</author>
	<datestamp>1262793060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yep, you don't get to be an effective senior exec without serious hard work.</p><p>I logged on to our system this last New Years Day at 9am.  The only people on and working were the senior guys.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep , you do n't get to be an effective senior exec without serious hard work.I logged on to our system this last New Years Day at 9am .
The only people on and working were the senior guys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep, you don't get to be an effective senior exec without serious hard work.I logged on to our system this last New Years Day at 9am.
The only people on and working were the senior guys.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30681752</id>
	<title>Re:Security, in corporate America? lolll..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262876280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I had a top secret security clearance with an armful of qualifiers by the time I was 18.</p><p>Was that before or after you were in charge of the CIA?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I had a top secret security clearance with an armful of qualifiers by the time I was 18.Was that before or after you were in charge of the CIA ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I had a top secret security clearance with an armful of qualifiers by the time I was 18.Was that before or after you were in charge of the CIA?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30675006</id>
	<title>Re:Bear was the least secure company. EVAR!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262772960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're right, you don't have to read the article.  That way you won't have to confront the facts that prove you're talking out of your ass.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're right , you do n't have to read the article .
That way you wo n't have to confront the facts that prove you 're talking out of your ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're right, you don't have to read the article.
That way you won't have to confront the facts that prove you're talking out of your ass.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30677010</id>
	<title>passing an audit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262783040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is painful, just like passing a kidney- or a mile- stone. Audit is overrated, as it lacks a penalty feedback; fort example all of the major FI failures 'passed' audits. Companies with serious security flaws also passed audits. And self-disclosure, although it may sound like a regulators' wet dream, is just adding more low-hanging fruit to the auditor's basket.  A company that thinks that passing an audit or doing things to pass an audit makes them more secure is not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is painful , just like passing a kidney- or a mile- stone .
Audit is overrated , as it lacks a penalty feedback ; fort example all of the major FI failures 'passed ' audits .
Companies with serious security flaws also passed audits .
And self-disclosure , although it may sound like a regulators ' wet dream , is just adding more low-hanging fruit to the auditor 's basket .
A company that thinks that passing an audit or doing things to pass an audit makes them more secure is not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is painful, just like passing a kidney- or a mile- stone.
Audit is overrated, as it lacks a penalty feedback; fort example all of the major FI failures 'passed' audits.
Companies with serious security flaws also passed audits.
And self-disclosure, although it may sound like a regulators' wet dream, is just adding more low-hanging fruit to the auditor's basket.
A company that thinks that passing an audit or doing things to pass an audit makes them more secure is not.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262773500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;And all she got out of it was a lot of money, material for a book, and a great resume. Where's the problem?</p><p>It is not about the money necessarily. When my group folded, I was depressed for a long while.  All the time I invested, kids events missed, etc., was all for waste.  Sure severance was great, but still was depressed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; And all she got out of it was a lot of money , material for a book , and a great resume .
Where 's the problem ? It is not about the money necessarily .
When my group folded , I was depressed for a long while .
All the time I invested , kids events missed , etc. , was all for waste .
Sure severance was great , but still was depressed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;And all she got out of it was a lot of money, material for a book, and a great resume.
Where's the problem?It is not about the money necessarily.
When my group folded, I was depressed for a long while.
All the time I invested, kids events missed, etc., was all for waste.
Sure severance was great, but still was depressed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_06_1431240.30673342</id>
	<title>What was she securing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262808600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The tampon dispenser?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The tampon dispenser ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The tampon dispenser?</sentencetext>
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	<title>main problem...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262808000000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>is the CxOs who dont care about security in the first place. blaming lower echelons of management is useless if the people at the top dont get IT.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is the CxOs who dont care about security in the first place .
blaming lower echelons of management is useless if the people at the top dont get IT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is the CxOs who dont care about security in the first place.
blaming lower echelons of management is useless if the people at the top dont get IT.</sentencetext>
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