<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_04_1342256</id>
	<title>Move Over BoxeeBox, Here Comes PopBox</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1262612700000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>DeviceGuru writes <i>"Following closely on the heels of the December announcement of <a href="http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/12/09/1323250/D-Links-New-Boxee-Box-Runs-Linux-Eyes-Netflix">D-Link's BoxeeBox</a>, <a href="http://www.syabas.com/">Syabas Technology</a> today said it will ship <a href="http://www.deviceguru.com/popbox-vs-boxeebox/">the PopBox</a>, a $129 Internet-based A/V streaming set-top box (STB) in March. Both new gadgets have the potential to give <a href="http://www.roku.com/roku-products">Roku's popular STB</a> a run for its money. All three boxes can deliver a range of Internet-based A/V streaming and social networking services to consumers' TVs. Like Roku's <a href="http://www.deviceguru.com/roku-stb-gains-av-aggregation-service/">digital video player STB</a>, the PopBox will include <a href="http://www.netflix.com/NetflixReadyDevices">Netflix on-demand video streaming</a> when it first ships. D-Link, meanwhile, is rumored to be scrambling to add Netflix streaming support to its <a href="http://www.deviceguru.com/d-link-tips-linux-based-boxee-box/">BoxeeBox device</a> as well, prior to inaugural shipments of that device. All three run embedded Linux OSes, and all are expected to sell for less than $200."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>DeviceGuru writes " Following closely on the heels of the December announcement of D-Link 's BoxeeBox , Syabas Technology today said it will ship the PopBox , a $ 129 Internet-based A/V streaming set-top box ( STB ) in March .
Both new gadgets have the potential to give Roku 's popular STB a run for its money .
All three boxes can deliver a range of Internet-based A/V streaming and social networking services to consumers ' TVs .
Like Roku 's digital video player STB , the PopBox will include Netflix on-demand video streaming when it first ships .
D-Link , meanwhile , is rumored to be scrambling to add Netflix streaming support to its BoxeeBox device as well , prior to inaugural shipments of that device .
All three run embedded Linux OSes , and all are expected to sell for less than $ 200 .
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<sentencetext>DeviceGuru writes "Following closely on the heels of the December announcement of D-Link's BoxeeBox, Syabas Technology today said it will ship the PopBox, a $129 Internet-based A/V streaming set-top box (STB) in March.
Both new gadgets have the potential to give Roku's popular STB a run for its money.
All three boxes can deliver a range of Internet-based A/V streaming and social networking services to consumers' TVs.
Like Roku's digital video player STB, the PopBox will include Netflix on-demand video streaming when it first ships.
D-Link, meanwhile, is rumored to be scrambling to add Netflix streaming support to its BoxeeBox device as well, prior to inaugural shipments of that device.
All three run embedded Linux OSes, and all are expected to sell for less than $200.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30645258</id>
	<title>Re:NetFlix in Linux?</title>
	<author>businessnerd</author>
	<datestamp>1262596260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The crazy thing her is that, as far as I know, Roku runs Linux, PopBox runs Linux, Tivo runs Linux.  All of these appliances running Linux have Netflix streaming support.  Yet we keep hearing the same line about regular old desktop Linux users not being supported because of Silverlight.  These embedded Linuxes can all do it seemingly without the need for Silverlight.  In the initial buzz here on Slashdot when Roku hit the scene and was revealed to run Linux, many hackers investigated the box for the same purpose you speak of.  Turns out, that the part that does the Netflix magic is a binary blob.  Maybe Microsoft secretely ported Silverlight (with the necessary DRM) to Linux and won't tell anyone.  Maybe Netflix simply created a whole new application.  My bet is on the whole new application.  Other things I hear out there are that if you stream Netflix to one of the applicances (including PS3 and Xbox360) you get to stream in HD, where on the computer, you are stuck with the lesser quality.  It seems like Netflix's real goal hear is service licensing revenue.  I am sure Tivo, PopBox and Roku all pay for the priveledge to stream Netflix right to your TV, which is handed to the consumer, who then in turn pays even more money for monthly subscription.  Sounds like Netflix has positioned themselves quite well, but is it good for the consumer?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The crazy thing her is that , as far as I know , Roku runs Linux , PopBox runs Linux , Tivo runs Linux .
All of these appliances running Linux have Netflix streaming support .
Yet we keep hearing the same line about regular old desktop Linux users not being supported because of Silverlight .
These embedded Linuxes can all do it seemingly without the need for Silverlight .
In the initial buzz here on Slashdot when Roku hit the scene and was revealed to run Linux , many hackers investigated the box for the same purpose you speak of .
Turns out , that the part that does the Netflix magic is a binary blob .
Maybe Microsoft secretely ported Silverlight ( with the necessary DRM ) to Linux and wo n't tell anyone .
Maybe Netflix simply created a whole new application .
My bet is on the whole new application .
Other things I hear out there are that if you stream Netflix to one of the applicances ( including PS3 and Xbox360 ) you get to stream in HD , where on the computer , you are stuck with the lesser quality .
It seems like Netflix 's real goal hear is service licensing revenue .
I am sure Tivo , PopBox and Roku all pay for the priveledge to stream Netflix right to your TV , which is handed to the consumer , who then in turn pays even more money for monthly subscription .
Sounds like Netflix has positioned themselves quite well , but is it good for the consumer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The crazy thing her is that, as far as I know, Roku runs Linux, PopBox runs Linux, Tivo runs Linux.
All of these appliances running Linux have Netflix streaming support.
Yet we keep hearing the same line about regular old desktop Linux users not being supported because of Silverlight.
These embedded Linuxes can all do it seemingly without the need for Silverlight.
In the initial buzz here on Slashdot when Roku hit the scene and was revealed to run Linux, many hackers investigated the box for the same purpose you speak of.
Turns out, that the part that does the Netflix magic is a binary blob.
Maybe Microsoft secretely ported Silverlight (with the necessary DRM) to Linux and won't tell anyone.
Maybe Netflix simply created a whole new application.
My bet is on the whole new application.
Other things I hear out there are that if you stream Netflix to one of the applicances (including PS3 and Xbox360) you get to stream in HD, where on the computer, you are stuck with the lesser quality.
It seems like Netflix's real goal hear is service licensing revenue.
I am sure Tivo, PopBox and Roku all pay for the priveledge to stream Netflix right to your TV, which is handed to the consumer, who then in turn pays even more money for monthly subscription.
Sounds like Netflix has positioned themselves quite well, but is it good for the consumer?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640066</id>
	<title>OMG, the Internet is eating the TV!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262617140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>News at eleven.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>News at eleven .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>News at eleven.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640482</id>
	<title>Re:Netflix on Linux?</title>
	<author>Devrdander</author>
	<datestamp>1262619840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Microsoft DRM Codec used by Netflix is supported in hardware by the Roku Player, I would wager these device are the same.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Microsoft DRM Codec used by Netflix is supported in hardware by the Roku Player , I would wager these device are the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Microsoft DRM Codec used by Netflix is supported in hardware by the Roku Player, I would wager these device are the same.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640182</id>
	<title>Netflix on Linux?</title>
	<author>FunkyELF</author>
	<datestamp>1262617860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>D-Link, meanwhile, is rumored to be scrambling to add Netflix streaming support to its BoxeeBox device as well, prior to inaugural shipments of that device. All three run embedded Linux OSes, and all are expected to sell for less than $200."</p></div></blockquote><p>Why the hell can't I get Netflix working on my laptop running Linux?  How are these guys doing it, why isn't it available for the rest of us?<br>Netflix is the only reason I have VirtualBox installed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>D-Link , meanwhile , is rumored to be scrambling to add Netflix streaming support to its BoxeeBox device as well , prior to inaugural shipments of that device .
All three run embedded Linux OSes , and all are expected to sell for less than $ 200 .
" Why the hell ca n't I get Netflix working on my laptop running Linux ?
How are these guys doing it , why is n't it available for the rest of us ? Netflix is the only reason I have VirtualBox installed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>D-Link, meanwhile, is rumored to be scrambling to add Netflix streaming support to its BoxeeBox device as well, prior to inaugural shipments of that device.
All three run embedded Linux OSes, and all are expected to sell for less than $200.
"Why the hell can't I get Netflix working on my laptop running Linux?
How are these guys doing it, why isn't it available for the rest of us?Netflix is the only reason I have VirtualBox installed.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640196</id>
	<title>Wait, what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262618040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Ok, it allows third-party downloadable apps (their own app store?,) but "media-server functions have been omitted."
</p><p>
Can I pull media from my linux fileserver or not?
</p><p>
If the omitted functions just means it doesn't have local storage, then fine. I'm just hoping they don't cripple or disallow apps that can remotely fetch media.
</p><p>
If I could get that plus Netflix on a ~$100 box, I'd be all over it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , it allows third-party downloadable apps ( their own app store ? , ) but " media-server functions have been omitted .
" Can I pull media from my linux fileserver or not ?
If the omitted functions just means it does n't have local storage , then fine .
I 'm just hoping they do n't cripple or disallow apps that can remotely fetch media .
If I could get that plus Netflix on a ~ $ 100 box , I 'd be all over it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Ok, it allows third-party downloadable apps (their own app store?,) but "media-server functions have been omitted.
"

Can I pull media from my linux fileserver or not?
If the omitted functions just means it doesn't have local storage, then fine.
I'm just hoping they don't cripple or disallow apps that can remotely fetch media.
If I could get that plus Netflix on a ~$100 box, I'd be all over it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640662</id>
	<title>It can't hurt</title>
	<author>Rambo Tribble</author>
	<datestamp>1262620620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To have a link here for the petition to Netflix requesting Linux support: <a href="http://www.petitiononline.com/Linflix/petition.html" title="petitiononline.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.petitiononline.com/Linflix/petition.html</a> [petitiononline.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>To have a link here for the petition to Netflix requesting Linux support : http : //www.petitiononline.com/Linflix/petition.html [ petitiononline.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To have a link here for the petition to Netflix requesting Linux support: http://www.petitiononline.com/Linflix/petition.html [petitiononline.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640050</id>
	<title>PoopBox</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262616960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'nuff said (though where's the tag?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'nuff said ( though where 's the tag ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'nuff said (though where's the tag?
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640332</id>
	<title>No thanks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262619000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps this announcement explains why the Popcorn Hour C-200 is such a disaster.  I had such high hopes for that device but it seems like Syabas spent little to no time on QA.  They advertised wireless capability and shipped the device without a driver, the blu-ray drive they "approved" is EOL and there is a list of issues as long as my arm.</p><p>To me, it appears they were busy with the PopBox and didn't spend enough time on the C-200.  I'll pass on anything from these guys in the future</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps this announcement explains why the Popcorn Hour C-200 is such a disaster .
I had such high hopes for that device but it seems like Syabas spent little to no time on QA .
They advertised wireless capability and shipped the device without a driver , the blu-ray drive they " approved " is EOL and there is a list of issues as long as my arm.To me , it appears they were busy with the PopBox and did n't spend enough time on the C-200 .
I 'll pass on anything from these guys in the future</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps this announcement explains why the Popcorn Hour C-200 is such a disaster.
I had such high hopes for that device but it seems like Syabas spent little to no time on QA.
They advertised wireless capability and shipped the device without a driver, the blu-ray drive they "approved" is EOL and there is a list of issues as long as my arm.To me, it appears they were busy with the PopBox and didn't spend enough time on the C-200.
I'll pass on anything from these guys in the future</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640234</id>
	<title>But all the on-line content sucks</title>
	<author>frinkacheese</author>
	<datestamp>1262618340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
Yeah, it does, and it is certainly not worthy or watching on my 50 inch telly. I would like a small box that will connect to a SMB share and stream video from files on there, that supports a load of formats (hey just use embedded VLC) and has HDMI output.

I do not want USB sockets or built in youtube just something that works to stream from a shared drive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , it does , and it is certainly not worthy or watching on my 50 inch telly .
I would like a small box that will connect to a SMB share and stream video from files on there , that supports a load of formats ( hey just use embedded VLC ) and has HDMI output .
I do not want USB sockets or built in youtube just something that works to stream from a shared drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Yeah, it does, and it is certainly not worthy or watching on my 50 inch telly.
I would like a small box that will connect to a SMB share and stream video from files on there, that supports a load of formats (hey just use embedded VLC) and has HDMI output.
I do not want USB sockets or built in youtube just something that works to stream from a shared drive.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30642406</id>
	<title>Can't watch home UPnP/DLNA?  Garbage.</title>
	<author>otis wildflower</author>
	<datestamp>1262627340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Meh, these dopey boxes don't do UPnP or DLNA, therefore they are worthless.</p><p>My xtreamer may be a buggy pain in the butt, but at least it will stream off my ps3mediaserver, and it costs far less than a PS3 or XBox.</p><p><a href="http://www.xtreamer.net/" title="xtreamer.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.xtreamer.net/</a> [xtreamer.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Meh , these dopey boxes do n't do UPnP or DLNA , therefore they are worthless.My xtreamer may be a buggy pain in the butt , but at least it will stream off my ps3mediaserver , and it costs far less than a PS3 or XBox.http : //www.xtreamer.net/ [ xtreamer.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meh, these dopey boxes don't do UPnP or DLNA, therefore they are worthless.My xtreamer may be a buggy pain in the butt, but at least it will stream off my ps3mediaserver, and it costs far less than a PS3 or XBox.http://www.xtreamer.net/ [xtreamer.net]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30642920</id>
	<title>Re:How can it be a run for it's money at $200?</title>
	<author>tolan-b</author>
	<datestamp>1262629200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seems pretty simple to me.. The settings menus could use a little re-organisation but otherwise I like it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems pretty simple to me.. The settings menus could use a little re-organisation but otherwise I like it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems pretty simple to me.. The settings menus could use a little re-organisation but otherwise I like it.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640574</id>
	<title>Re:NetFlix in Linux?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262620260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The problem is the DRM. Netflix relies on the latest MS Silverlight. Apparently the security processor embedded in these STBs' multimedia-oriented CPUs is capable of handling Netflix's requirements. So yes, theoretically it should be possible to get Netflix streaming working on Ubuntu........... eventually<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-/</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is the DRM .
Netflix relies on the latest MS Silverlight .
Apparently the security processor embedded in these STBs ' multimedia-oriented CPUs is capable of handling Netflix 's requirements .
So yes , theoretically it should be possible to get Netflix streaming working on Ubuntu........... eventually : -/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is the DRM.
Netflix relies on the latest MS Silverlight.
Apparently the security processor embedded in these STBs' multimedia-oriented CPUs is capable of handling Netflix's requirements.
So yes, theoretically it should be possible to get Netflix streaming working on Ubuntu........... eventually :-/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30668610</id>
	<title>Apple</title>
	<author>jschmitz</author>
	<datestamp>1262788380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why would anyone want this when you can pay three times more for Apple TV  = )</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would anyone want this when you can pay three times more for Apple TV = )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would anyone want this when you can pay three times more for Apple TV  = )</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30642846</id>
	<title>Re:PS3</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262628900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've also given up completely on paid television, and actually torrent my favorite shows on an RSS feed on uTorrent, Then I stream them to my xbox 360. Haven't needed a pay subscription in quite some time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've also given up completely on paid television , and actually torrent my favorite shows on an RSS feed on uTorrent , Then I stream them to my xbox 360 .
Have n't needed a pay subscription in quite some time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've also given up completely on paid television, and actually torrent my favorite shows on an RSS feed on uTorrent, Then I stream them to my xbox 360.
Haven't needed a pay subscription in quite some time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30642986</id>
	<title>Re:Cable companies: WAKE UP!</title>
	<author>uncledrax</author>
	<datestamp>1262629440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You get the fluff channels because the cable companies get paid to carry them.<br>That's why you always get the home shopping networks if you only get the basic cable service.</p><p>Also, many of the networks opt for a 'carry one, carry all' sorta mentality.. if you carry MTV (which you better), then you also have to carry VH1, MTV2, Nick, Spike,  and about 20 other channels that no one watches but you better carry.</p><p>Also, I'm alittle personally annoyed I get some channels that other people thing are popular. (ESPN/Sunshine Network, I'm looking at you).</p><p>I agree, I as a consumer, want ala carte networks. But you have to convince the cable providers to go all IP (and the consumer to upgrade their TV/cable box again), which they aren't ready to do yet.</p><p>Your choice is to goto Dish/DirecTV.. but they have their own ways of screwing their consumers too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You get the fluff channels because the cable companies get paid to carry them.That 's why you always get the home shopping networks if you only get the basic cable service.Also , many of the networks opt for a 'carry one , carry all ' sorta mentality.. if you carry MTV ( which you better ) , then you also have to carry VH1 , MTV2 , Nick , Spike , and about 20 other channels that no one watches but you better carry.Also , I 'm alittle personally annoyed I get some channels that other people thing are popular .
( ESPN/Sunshine Network , I 'm looking at you ) .I agree , I as a consumer , want ala carte networks .
But you have to convince the cable providers to go all IP ( and the consumer to upgrade their TV/cable box again ) , which they are n't ready to do yet.Your choice is to goto Dish/DirecTV.. but they have their own ways of screwing their consumers too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You get the fluff channels because the cable companies get paid to carry them.That's why you always get the home shopping networks if you only get the basic cable service.Also, many of the networks opt for a 'carry one, carry all' sorta mentality.. if you carry MTV (which you better), then you also have to carry VH1, MTV2, Nick, Spike,  and about 20 other channels that no one watches but you better carry.Also, I'm alittle personally annoyed I get some channels that other people thing are popular.
(ESPN/Sunshine Network, I'm looking at you).I agree, I as a consumer, want ala carte networks.
But you have to convince the cable providers to go all IP (and the consumer to upgrade their TV/cable box again), which they aren't ready to do yet.Your choice is to goto Dish/DirecTV.. but they have their own ways of screwing their consumers too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30642766</id>
	<title>A/V STB.</title>
	<author>Ostracus</author>
	<datestamp>1262628660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd like an AV unit that was source agnostic. Internet source or your local NAS. I've also noticed none of them do Internet radio. That's usually a separate expensive box.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd like an AV unit that was source agnostic .
Internet source or your local NAS .
I 've also noticed none of them do Internet radio .
That 's usually a separate expensive box .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd like an AV unit that was source agnostic.
Internet source or your local NAS.
I've also noticed none of them do Internet radio.
That's usually a separate expensive box.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640308</id>
	<title>Re:Netflix on Linux?</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1262618820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Almost certainly because of some absurd piracy fears(absurd in the sense that the cat is already out of the bag, anything you can stream from netflix is already being ripped from their Windows streaming setup or available as DVD rips, not in the sense that a linux streaming setup wouldn't be used for some piracy).<br> <br>

Windows and Mac are bedeviled by almost exactly the same piracy risks, of course. If anything, while Linux offers the most theoretical freedom to the user, the de-facto cutting edge of circumvention is almost always found among hackers and crackers using leaked internal or cracked commercial proprietary tools on Windows. However, since Windows is where the market share is, and Mac is where the high end consumers and college students are, companies suck it up.

As the good folks at Tivo demonstrated, "embedded linux" can be as black box as any other embedded OS, even more so now that a lot of these HD-media SoCs are using Linux on an ARM or MIPS core to do menus and interfaces and web functions and so forth; but doing the actual media decoding on a separate core that runs its own(signed and verified) firmware. There is obviously no architectural reason why Netflix can't make a linux client and, since linux is a widely popular embedded choice, they've done so. Unfortunately, since the reasons aren't technical; but commercial or legal, it could be a fair while before it shows up for desktop linux.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Almost certainly because of some absurd piracy fears ( absurd in the sense that the cat is already out of the bag , anything you can stream from netflix is already being ripped from their Windows streaming setup or available as DVD rips , not in the sense that a linux streaming setup would n't be used for some piracy ) .
Windows and Mac are bedeviled by almost exactly the same piracy risks , of course .
If anything , while Linux offers the most theoretical freedom to the user , the de-facto cutting edge of circumvention is almost always found among hackers and crackers using leaked internal or cracked commercial proprietary tools on Windows .
However , since Windows is where the market share is , and Mac is where the high end consumers and college students are , companies suck it up .
As the good folks at Tivo demonstrated , " embedded linux " can be as black box as any other embedded OS , even more so now that a lot of these HD-media SoCs are using Linux on an ARM or MIPS core to do menus and interfaces and web functions and so forth ; but doing the actual media decoding on a separate core that runs its own ( signed and verified ) firmware .
There is obviously no architectural reason why Netflix ca n't make a linux client and , since linux is a widely popular embedded choice , they 've done so .
Unfortunately , since the reasons are n't technical ; but commercial or legal , it could be a fair while before it shows up for desktop linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Almost certainly because of some absurd piracy fears(absurd in the sense that the cat is already out of the bag, anything you can stream from netflix is already being ripped from their Windows streaming setup or available as DVD rips, not in the sense that a linux streaming setup wouldn't be used for some piracy).
Windows and Mac are bedeviled by almost exactly the same piracy risks, of course.
If anything, while Linux offers the most theoretical freedom to the user, the de-facto cutting edge of circumvention is almost always found among hackers and crackers using leaked internal or cracked commercial proprietary tools on Windows.
However, since Windows is where the market share is, and Mac is where the high end consumers and college students are, companies suck it up.
As the good folks at Tivo demonstrated, "embedded linux" can be as black box as any other embedded OS, even more so now that a lot of these HD-media SoCs are using Linux on an ARM or MIPS core to do menus and interfaces and web functions and so forth; but doing the actual media decoding on a separate core that runs its own(signed and verified) firmware.
There is obviously no architectural reason why Netflix can't make a linux client and, since linux is a widely popular embedded choice, they've done so.
Unfortunately, since the reasons aren't technical; but commercial or legal, it could be a fair while before it shows up for desktop linux.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30643914</id>
	<title>Re:PS3</title>
	<author>optimus2861</author>
	<datestamp>1262633520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For me (I bought a Blu-ray player before Christmas) it was several reasons. The first two were my show-stoppers, the last two more incidental.</p><ul>
<li>The PS3 has no infrared port, hence it cannot be used with my universal remote.</li><li>The Blu-ray player was more than $100 cheaper and came with 3 movies (though they all suck it's still something).</li><li>The player has much lower power consumption than the PS3; 18W versus about 100W, depending on the PS3 model.</li><li>I never owned a PS2 thus have no games. In fact I've never owned a console period so console gaming just isn't a big deal to me.</li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>For me ( I bought a Blu-ray player before Christmas ) it was several reasons .
The first two were my show-stoppers , the last two more incidental .
The PS3 has no infrared port , hence it can not be used with my universal remote.The Blu-ray player was more than $ 100 cheaper and came with 3 movies ( though they all suck it 's still something ) .The player has much lower power consumption than the PS3 ; 18W versus about 100W , depending on the PS3 model.I never owned a PS2 thus have no games .
In fact I 've never owned a console period so console gaming just is n't a big deal to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For me (I bought a Blu-ray player before Christmas) it was several reasons.
The first two were my show-stoppers, the last two more incidental.
The PS3 has no infrared port, hence it cannot be used with my universal remote.The Blu-ray player was more than $100 cheaper and came with 3 movies (though they all suck it's still something).The player has much lower power consumption than the PS3; 18W versus about 100W, depending on the PS3 model.I never owned a PS2 thus have no games.
In fact I've never owned a console period so console gaming just isn't a big deal to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640334</id>
	<title>Re:How can it be a run for it's money at $200?</title>
	<author>Ephemeriis</author>
	<datestamp>1262619000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I just got a roku for my parents, and at $100 it does what it needs to just fine.  I can see Roku easily adding a USB port and "Media" channel to a future box without touching the pricepoint and doing the same thing all of these other boxes do.</p><p>Oh and it doesn't look like that stupid melted cube that D-link is trying to sell.</p></div><p>We were looking at a Roku over the holidays...</p><p>The laptop I was using to stream Netflix died on us, and I didn't have enough parts around to make a replacement Netflix box.  The Roku looked like a decent device.</p><p>Then we noticed the <a href="http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/tv-video/blu-ray/blu-ray-players/BD-P1590/XAA/index.idx?pagetype=prd\_detail" title="samsung.com">Samsung BD-P1590</a> [samsung.com]...  Costs more than a Roku, obviously, but it does more too.  Plays DVDs, blu-ray discs, Netflix, Blockbuster, Pandora, YouTube...</p><p>We wound up buying the Samsung instead of the Roku.  Replaced our old DVD player and the dead laptop.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just got a roku for my parents , and at $ 100 it does what it needs to just fine .
I can see Roku easily adding a USB port and " Media " channel to a future box without touching the pricepoint and doing the same thing all of these other boxes do.Oh and it does n't look like that stupid melted cube that D-link is trying to sell.We were looking at a Roku over the holidays...The laptop I was using to stream Netflix died on us , and I did n't have enough parts around to make a replacement Netflix box .
The Roku looked like a decent device.Then we noticed the Samsung BD-P1590 [ samsung.com ] ... Costs more than a Roku , obviously , but it does more too .
Plays DVDs , blu-ray discs , Netflix , Blockbuster , Pandora , YouTube...We wound up buying the Samsung instead of the Roku .
Replaced our old DVD player and the dead laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just got a roku for my parents, and at $100 it does what it needs to just fine.
I can see Roku easily adding a USB port and "Media" channel to a future box without touching the pricepoint and doing the same thing all of these other boxes do.Oh and it doesn't look like that stupid melted cube that D-link is trying to sell.We were looking at a Roku over the holidays...The laptop I was using to stream Netflix died on us, and I didn't have enough parts around to make a replacement Netflix box.
The Roku looked like a decent device.Then we noticed the Samsung BD-P1590 [samsung.com]...  Costs more than a Roku, obviously, but it does more too.
Plays DVDs, blu-ray discs, Netflix, Blockbuster, Pandora, YouTube...We wound up buying the Samsung instead of the Roku.
Replaced our old DVD player and the dead laptop.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640110</id>
	<title>WebTV?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262617380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WebTV would have been right on the dot, if the networking infrastructure could have handled streaming video at the time.  Everyone had dial-up, which doesn't stream well I would assume.</p><p>Of course Microsoft would have locked down the video portion so you could only do "online stuff" anyway, fearing lawsuits or making deals with some company or another.  But don't they get some points for being close?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WebTV would have been right on the dot , if the networking infrastructure could have handled streaming video at the time .
Everyone had dial-up , which does n't stream well I would assume.Of course Microsoft would have locked down the video portion so you could only do " online stuff " anyway , fearing lawsuits or making deals with some company or another .
But do n't they get some points for being close ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WebTV would have been right on the dot, if the networking infrastructure could have handled streaming video at the time.
Everyone had dial-up, which doesn't stream well I would assume.Of course Microsoft would have locked down the video portion so you could only do "online stuff" anyway, fearing lawsuits or making deals with some company or another.
But don't they get some points for being close?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640254</id>
	<title>What's the point?</title>
	<author>roybotnik</author>
	<datestamp>1262618460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I must be way ahead of the curve because I already have a device that can stream netflix, run boxee, xbmc, act as a media server, etc.

It's called a computer.  You can get one for very little money these days, even with hdmi output for use as a htpc.  They do a lot of cool stuff!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I must be way ahead of the curve because I already have a device that can stream netflix , run boxee , xbmc , act as a media server , etc .
It 's called a computer .
You can get one for very little money these days , even with hdmi output for use as a htpc .
They do a lot of cool stuff !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I must be way ahead of the curve because I already have a device that can stream netflix, run boxee, xbmc, act as a media server, etc.
It's called a computer.
You can get one for very little money these days, even with hdmi output for use as a htpc.
They do a lot of cool stuff!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640898</id>
	<title>Re:Samsung BD-P1590</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1262621640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>How long do you suppose it'll be before there's no such thing as "broadcast" television and it's all downloaded/streamed from your local affiliate's website?</i></p><p>never.  The broadcasters do NOT WANT you to do what you are doing. you will have to watch their crap on their website. They will never allow you to download it and watch it on your own device how you want it.</p><p>the only people that will be able to do that are criminals.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How long do you suppose it 'll be before there 's no such thing as " broadcast " television and it 's all downloaded/streamed from your local affiliate 's website ? never .
The broadcasters do NOT WANT you to do what you are doing .
you will have to watch their crap on their website .
They will never allow you to download it and watch it on your own device how you want it.the only people that will be able to do that are criminals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How long do you suppose it'll be before there's no such thing as "broadcast" television and it's all downloaded/streamed from your local affiliate's website?never.
The broadcasters do NOT WANT you to do what you are doing.
you will have to watch their crap on their website.
They will never allow you to download it and watch it on your own device how you want it.the only people that will be able to do that are criminals.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640376</id>
	<title>Re:Netflix on Linux?</title>
	<author>operator\_error</author>
	<datestamp>1262619360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try running a Windows OS in VirtualBox sorta like a server, (in a closet, headless maybe,) along with the PlayOn software <a href="http://www.playon.tv/playon" title="playon.tv">http://www.playon.tv/playon</a> [playon.tv].</p><p>The idea is the Windows/PlayOn server can receive NetFlix fine, and stream to your UPnP Linux workstations. 'Theoretically', you could feed your MythTV this way with input from NetFlix-- I have never tried this.</p><p>Can anyone could suggest a nice UPnP client for Ubuntu? Does Totem do UPnP?</p><p>PlayOn costs $40, and maybe you've were given an XP license on some box you upgraded to Ubuntu? At any rate, this is competitive with the price of a Roku box, and if you run VM servers anyway, this reduces hardware, increases VPN options, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try running a Windows OS in VirtualBox sorta like a server , ( in a closet , headless maybe , ) along with the PlayOn software http : //www.playon.tv/playon [ playon.tv ] .The idea is the Windows/PlayOn server can receive NetFlix fine , and stream to your UPnP Linux workstations .
'Theoretically ' , you could feed your MythTV this way with input from NetFlix-- I have never tried this.Can anyone could suggest a nice UPnP client for Ubuntu ?
Does Totem do UPnP ? PlayOn costs $ 40 , and maybe you 've were given an XP license on some box you upgraded to Ubuntu ?
At any rate , this is competitive with the price of a Roku box , and if you run VM servers anyway , this reduces hardware , increases VPN options , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try running a Windows OS in VirtualBox sorta like a server, (in a closet, headless maybe,) along with the PlayOn software http://www.playon.tv/playon [playon.tv].The idea is the Windows/PlayOn server can receive NetFlix fine, and stream to your UPnP Linux workstations.
'Theoretically', you could feed your MythTV this way with input from NetFlix-- I have never tried this.Can anyone could suggest a nice UPnP client for Ubuntu?
Does Totem do UPnP?PlayOn costs $40, and maybe you've were given an XP license on some box you upgraded to Ubuntu?
At any rate, this is competitive with the price of a Roku box, and if you run VM servers anyway, this reduces hardware, increases VPN options, etc.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640248</id>
	<title>Re:How can it be a run for it's money at $200?</title>
	<author>tolan-b</author>
	<datestamp>1262618400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you ever used XBMC or Boxee? The UI is great, the playback quality is superb and the feature-set is enormous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you ever used XBMC or Boxee ?
The UI is great , the playback quality is superb and the feature-set is enormous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you ever used XBMC or Boxee?
The UI is great, the playback quality is superb and the feature-set is enormous.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640306</id>
	<title>Re:Netflix on Linux?</title>
	<author>cl0s</author>
	<datestamp>1262618760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is why they are scrambling to get it on. I believe the Roku does the same, sounds like they just have a special license + backdoor/gateway of streaming the original files. Netflix, of course, just doesn't want us all to have this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why they are scrambling to get it on .
I believe the Roku does the same , sounds like they just have a special license + backdoor/gateway of streaming the original files .
Netflix , of course , just does n't want us all to have this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why they are scrambling to get it on.
I believe the Roku does the same, sounds like they just have a special license + backdoor/gateway of streaming the original files.
Netflix, of course, just doesn't want us all to have this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30661178</id>
	<title>Re:2010 - The year of LINUX on...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1262688360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>2020 &mdash; What is a &ldquo;desktop&rdquo;? You mean like a table?<br>2030 &rsquo; Water? Like from the toilet? What for?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>2020    What is a    desktop    ?
You mean like a table ? 2030    Water ?
Like from the toilet ?
What for ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2020 — What is a “desktop”?
You mean like a table?2030 ’ Water?
Like from the toilet?
What for?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640454</id>
	<title>Re:Samsung BD-P1590</title>
	<author>JerkBoB</author>
	<datestamp>1262619660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I grabbed a Samsung BD-P2500 around a year ago.  Kinda wishing I'd waited another 6 months or so, but I wanted to stop watching Netflix on the xbox360 (all that electricity was mostly being wasted as heat and shortening the MTBRROD).</p><p>Anyhow, we canceled cable altogether last month.  I built an attic antenna for OTA HDTV but haven't bothered to put together a recorder for that content.  Mostly we use OTA for football and PBS stuff like NOVA.  The rest of our content comes from Netflix, MS (via Live), and iTunes (via a macbook that is connected with an HDMI adapter).  The main obstacle we had to overcome was the irrational resistance to purchasing content which had previously been "free".</p><p>I'm convinced that a la carte programming will the the norm in less than 10 years...  Either by per-episode payments or via a subscription model.  Content providers will have to work harder to find money to fund new programs, but I'm sure they'll figure it out.  Broadcast TV (and radio) are going to have a harder and harder time competing as technology for accessing the long tail becomes easier and easier for average consumers to use.  Hell, my wife's parents have been streaming content from Netflix since I bought them a Roku box last xmas...  They're into their 70s and took to it very quickly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I grabbed a Samsung BD-P2500 around a year ago .
Kinda wishing I 'd waited another 6 months or so , but I wanted to stop watching Netflix on the xbox360 ( all that electricity was mostly being wasted as heat and shortening the MTBRROD ) .Anyhow , we canceled cable altogether last month .
I built an attic antenna for OTA HDTV but have n't bothered to put together a recorder for that content .
Mostly we use OTA for football and PBS stuff like NOVA .
The rest of our content comes from Netflix , MS ( via Live ) , and iTunes ( via a macbook that is connected with an HDMI adapter ) .
The main obstacle we had to overcome was the irrational resistance to purchasing content which had previously been " free " .I 'm convinced that a la carte programming will the the norm in less than 10 years... Either by per-episode payments or via a subscription model .
Content providers will have to work harder to find money to fund new programs , but I 'm sure they 'll figure it out .
Broadcast TV ( and radio ) are going to have a harder and harder time competing as technology for accessing the long tail becomes easier and easier for average consumers to use .
Hell , my wife 's parents have been streaming content from Netflix since I bought them a Roku box last xmas... They 're into their 70s and took to it very quickly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I grabbed a Samsung BD-P2500 around a year ago.
Kinda wishing I'd waited another 6 months or so, but I wanted to stop watching Netflix on the xbox360 (all that electricity was mostly being wasted as heat and shortening the MTBRROD).Anyhow, we canceled cable altogether last month.
I built an attic antenna for OTA HDTV but haven't bothered to put together a recorder for that content.
Mostly we use OTA for football and PBS stuff like NOVA.
The rest of our content comes from Netflix, MS (via Live), and iTunes (via a macbook that is connected with an HDMI adapter).
The main obstacle we had to overcome was the irrational resistance to purchasing content which had previously been "free".I'm convinced that a la carte programming will the the norm in less than 10 years...  Either by per-episode payments or via a subscription model.
Content providers will have to work harder to find money to fund new programs, but I'm sure they'll figure it out.
Broadcast TV (and radio) are going to have a harder and harder time competing as technology for accessing the long tail becomes easier and easier for average consumers to use.
Hell, my wife's parents have been streaming content from Netflix since I bought them a Roku box last xmas...  They're into their 70s and took to it very quickly.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640780</id>
	<title>Obligatory:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262621160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Moar Boxxy Plz, KThxBye!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Moar Boxxy Plz , KThxBye !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Moar Boxxy Plz, KThxBye!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30641116</id>
	<title>Sony Blu-ray player (BDP-N460)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262622480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just got a Sony Blu-ray player (BDP-N460), which sells in roughly the 180 to 200 (USD) price range, and its extra features include the ability to stream video and audio from the Internet, numerous "channels" (services) including Amazon video on demand and Netflix--and the quality is amazing, even a lot of HD'ish crisp video via streaming.  If you're looking for a Blu-ray player as well then I strongly recommend this.  The only downside (IMO) is that it can only get online via a LAN (Cat-5/6) network cable, although one could spend money on a wireless bridge if desired...  in my case I just relocated my cable modem and router/AP to the entertainment center (since a cable line is already there).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just got a Sony Blu-ray player ( BDP-N460 ) , which sells in roughly the 180 to 200 ( USD ) price range , and its extra features include the ability to stream video and audio from the Internet , numerous " channels " ( services ) including Amazon video on demand and Netflix--and the quality is amazing , even a lot of HD'ish crisp video via streaming .
If you 're looking for a Blu-ray player as well then I strongly recommend this .
The only downside ( IMO ) is that it can only get online via a LAN ( Cat-5/6 ) network cable , although one could spend money on a wireless bridge if desired... in my case I just relocated my cable modem and router/AP to the entertainment center ( since a cable line is already there ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just got a Sony Blu-ray player (BDP-N460), which sells in roughly the 180 to 200 (USD) price range, and its extra features include the ability to stream video and audio from the Internet, numerous "channels" (services) including Amazon video on demand and Netflix--and the quality is amazing, even a lot of HD'ish crisp video via streaming.
If you're looking for a Blu-ray player as well then I strongly recommend this.
The only downside (IMO) is that it can only get online via a LAN (Cat-5/6) network cable, although one could spend money on a wireless bridge if desired...  in my case I just relocated my cable modem and router/AP to the entertainment center (since a cable line is already there).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30643458</id>
	<title>Re:What's the point?</title>
	<author>Scyber</author>
	<datestamp>1262631720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I must be way ahead of the curve because I already have a device that can stream netflix, run boxee, xbmc, act as a media server, etc.

It's called a computer.  You can get one for very little money these days, even with hdmi output for use as a htpc.  They do a lot of cool stuff!</p></div><p>A) Netflix HD streams are not current available for computers.   Sure they are low bitrate HD streams, but they are better on larger TVs than the SD streams<br>
B) Buying a PC for each TV in my house (5) is much more expensive than buying these lower end boxes and using a central storage server.  Plus its much cheaper on the electricity bill.<br>
C) HTPCs tend to take time to setup correctly, more so than these inexpensive dedicated boxes.    While I would probably enjoy making these tweaks (as would most of slashdot), I enjoy spending time with my family more or making money by working and billing my clients.<br>
D) Dedicated boxes like this tend to have a simpler UI and therefore a much higher WAF (wife acceptance factor).<br> <br>

Just a few points off the top of my head.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I must be way ahead of the curve because I already have a device that can stream netflix , run boxee , xbmc , act as a media server , etc .
It 's called a computer .
You can get one for very little money these days , even with hdmi output for use as a htpc .
They do a lot of cool stuff ! A ) Netflix HD streams are not current available for computers .
Sure they are low bitrate HD streams , but they are better on larger TVs than the SD streams B ) Buying a PC for each TV in my house ( 5 ) is much more expensive than buying these lower end boxes and using a central storage server .
Plus its much cheaper on the electricity bill .
C ) HTPCs tend to take time to setup correctly , more so than these inexpensive dedicated boxes .
While I would probably enjoy making these tweaks ( as would most of slashdot ) , I enjoy spending time with my family more or making money by working and billing my clients .
D ) Dedicated boxes like this tend to have a simpler UI and therefore a much higher WAF ( wife acceptance factor ) .
Just a few points off the top of my head .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I must be way ahead of the curve because I already have a device that can stream netflix, run boxee, xbmc, act as a media server, etc.
It's called a computer.
You can get one for very little money these days, even with hdmi output for use as a htpc.
They do a lot of cool stuff!A) Netflix HD streams are not current available for computers.
Sure they are low bitrate HD streams, but they are better on larger TVs than the SD streams
B) Buying a PC for each TV in my house (5) is much more expensive than buying these lower end boxes and using a central storage server.
Plus its much cheaper on the electricity bill.
C) HTPCs tend to take time to setup correctly, more so than these inexpensive dedicated boxes.
While I would probably enjoy making these tweaks (as would most of slashdot), I enjoy spending time with my family more or making money by working and billing my clients.
D) Dedicated boxes like this tend to have a simpler UI and therefore a much higher WAF (wife acceptance factor).
Just a few points off the top of my head.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30647744</id>
	<title>The best media solution I've found</title>
	<author>kramulous</author>
	<datestamp>1262606040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For quite a while I was trying all sorts of these media players; trying to find the perfect one.  After a few years, many dollars and countries (searching korea) later I discovered that they all suck in one way or another.  The best thing?  A simple ubuntu box with a logitech mini wireless keyboard.</p><p>If something breaks, or some new feature is required you can easily fix it.  Once you have a working solution, just freeze it.</p><p>Software I like:<br>XBMC  <a href="http://xbmc.org/" title="xbmc.org">http://xbmc.org/</a> [xbmc.org]<br>Boxee <a href="http://www.boxee.tv/" title="boxee.tv">http://www.boxee.tv/</a> [boxee.tv]<br>YAMJ <a href="http://code.google.com/p/moviejukebox/" title="google.com">http://code.google.com/p/moviejukebox/</a> [google.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For quite a while I was trying all sorts of these media players ; trying to find the perfect one .
After a few years , many dollars and countries ( searching korea ) later I discovered that they all suck in one way or another .
The best thing ?
A simple ubuntu box with a logitech mini wireless keyboard.If something breaks , or some new feature is required you can easily fix it .
Once you have a working solution , just freeze it.Software I like : XBMC http : //xbmc.org/ [ xbmc.org ] Boxee http : //www.boxee.tv/ [ boxee.tv ] YAMJ http : //code.google.com/p/moviejukebox/ [ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For quite a while I was trying all sorts of these media players; trying to find the perfect one.
After a few years, many dollars and countries (searching korea) later I discovered that they all suck in one way or another.
The best thing?
A simple ubuntu box with a logitech mini wireless keyboard.If something breaks, or some new feature is required you can easily fix it.
Once you have a working solution, just freeze it.Software I like:XBMC  http://xbmc.org/ [xbmc.org]Boxee http://www.boxee.tv/ [boxee.tv]YAMJ http://code.google.com/p/moviejukebox/ [google.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640266</id>
	<title>Samsung BD-P1590</title>
	<author>Ephemeriis</author>
	<datestamp>1262618640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We picked up a <a href="http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/tv-video/blu-ray/blu-ray-players/BD-P1590/XAA/index.idx?pagetype=prd\_detail" title="samsung.com">Samsung BD-P1590</a> [samsung.com] as a replacement for our aging DVD player over the holidays...</p><p>It plays DVDs, obviously...  As well as blu-ray discs...  And it can stream stuff from Blockbuster, Netflix, Pandora, and YouTube.  We got ours for about $150 at WalMart, but I'm told they can be had for as little as $80 if you're willing to shop around a bit.</p><p>I guess I'm just wondering why you'd buy a Roku for $80 or one of these PopBoxes for $130 just to stream Netflix.</p><p>Yes, the PopBox can stream all sorts of other stuff...  Plenty of stuff that my new Samsung can't...  But what's being advertised as the "killer app" is Netflix support.</p><p>In fact, if you look around a bit, there's plenty of hardware out there that can stream Netflix.  All sorts of Netflix-enabled televisions and boxes.  So I'm having a hard time seeing Netflix support as the "killer app" they're making it out to be...</p><p><b>On a somewhat unrelated note:</b>  Has anyone else noticed that broadcast television seems to be rapidly disappearing?  We've got boxes that let us stream what we want, when we want it, from various web pages...  We've got televisions that are able to stream content right from sites like Netflix...  And we've got DVRs to download, record, and time-shift everything else...  How long do you suppose it'll be before there's no such thing as "broadcast" television and it's all downloaded/streamed from your local affiliate's website?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We picked up a Samsung BD-P1590 [ samsung.com ] as a replacement for our aging DVD player over the holidays...It plays DVDs , obviously... As well as blu-ray discs... And it can stream stuff from Blockbuster , Netflix , Pandora , and YouTube .
We got ours for about $ 150 at WalMart , but I 'm told they can be had for as little as $ 80 if you 're willing to shop around a bit.I guess I 'm just wondering why you 'd buy a Roku for $ 80 or one of these PopBoxes for $ 130 just to stream Netflix.Yes , the PopBox can stream all sorts of other stuff... Plenty of stuff that my new Samsung ca n't... But what 's being advertised as the " killer app " is Netflix support.In fact , if you look around a bit , there 's plenty of hardware out there that can stream Netflix .
All sorts of Netflix-enabled televisions and boxes .
So I 'm having a hard time seeing Netflix support as the " killer app " they 're making it out to be...On a somewhat unrelated note : Has anyone else noticed that broadcast television seems to be rapidly disappearing ?
We 've got boxes that let us stream what we want , when we want it , from various web pages... We 've got televisions that are able to stream content right from sites like Netflix... And we 've got DVRs to download , record , and time-shift everything else... How long do you suppose it 'll be before there 's no such thing as " broadcast " television and it 's all downloaded/streamed from your local affiliate 's website ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We picked up a Samsung BD-P1590 [samsung.com] as a replacement for our aging DVD player over the holidays...It plays DVDs, obviously...  As well as blu-ray discs...  And it can stream stuff from Blockbuster, Netflix, Pandora, and YouTube.
We got ours for about $150 at WalMart, but I'm told they can be had for as little as $80 if you're willing to shop around a bit.I guess I'm just wondering why you'd buy a Roku for $80 or one of these PopBoxes for $130 just to stream Netflix.Yes, the PopBox can stream all sorts of other stuff...  Plenty of stuff that my new Samsung can't...  But what's being advertised as the "killer app" is Netflix support.In fact, if you look around a bit, there's plenty of hardware out there that can stream Netflix.
All sorts of Netflix-enabled televisions and boxes.
So I'm having a hard time seeing Netflix support as the "killer app" they're making it out to be...On a somewhat unrelated note:  Has anyone else noticed that broadcast television seems to be rapidly disappearing?
We've got boxes that let us stream what we want, when we want it, from various web pages...  We've got televisions that are able to stream content right from sites like Netflix...  And we've got DVRs to download, record, and time-shift everything else...  How long do you suppose it'll be before there's no such thing as "broadcast" television and it's all downloaded/streamed from your local affiliate's website?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30641590</id>
	<title>2010 - The year of LINUX on...</title>
	<author>ae1294</author>
	<datestamp>1262624340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>your TV, computer, xbox, playstation, toaster, wireless router, microwave oven, water heater, fry daddy, and your wife's sybian...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>your TV , computer , xbox , playstation , toaster , wireless router , microwave oven , water heater , fry daddy , and your wife 's sybian.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>your TV, computer, xbox, playstation, toaster, wireless router, microwave oven, water heater, fry daddy, and your wife's sybian...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30647232</id>
	<title>Re:PS3</title>
	<author>Osty</author>
	<datestamp>1262603880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>My PS3 can stream Netflix<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... at 1080p with 7.1 audio</p></div></blockquote><p>No it can't, because Netflix streams cap out at 720p with stereo audio.  Also, your PS3 still needs a disc in the drive in order to stream Netflix.  Not quite the same integrated experience as a Roku, Popbox, or even Xbox 360.  I guess if you never use the PS3 for anything but Netflix it works out the same since the disc will always be in the drive, but if you ever play games or other discs (Blu-Rays or DVDs), you'll have to get up off the couch and swap discs in order to stream Netflix.</p><p>Yeah, yeah, the native PS3 app is "coming soon", and it's all because of Microsoft strongarming Netflix.  Whatever.  The fact is, PS3 does not yet have a native Netflix streaming app.</p><blockquote><div><p>Doesn't cost much more than these others</p></div></blockquote><p>By "not much more" you mean "2x to 3x as much", then sure.  Ignoring used models and the occasional sale, the PS3 sells for $300.  A Roku player is $100, and the Popbox in the article is expected to be $130.  I don't know about you, but to me $300 is quite a bit more than $100.  Three times more, in fact.</p></div>
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<tokenext>My PS3 can stream Netflix ... at 1080p with 7.1 audioNo it ca n't , because Netflix streams cap out at 720p with stereo audio .
Also , your PS3 still needs a disc in the drive in order to stream Netflix .
Not quite the same integrated experience as a Roku , Popbox , or even Xbox 360 .
I guess if you never use the PS3 for anything but Netflix it works out the same since the disc will always be in the drive , but if you ever play games or other discs ( Blu-Rays or DVDs ) , you 'll have to get up off the couch and swap discs in order to stream Netflix.Yeah , yeah , the native PS3 app is " coming soon " , and it 's all because of Microsoft strongarming Netflix .
Whatever. The fact is , PS3 does not yet have a native Netflix streaming app.Does n't cost much more than these othersBy " not much more " you mean " 2x to 3x as much " , then sure .
Ignoring used models and the occasional sale , the PS3 sells for $ 300 .
A Roku player is $ 100 , and the Popbox in the article is expected to be $ 130 .
I do n't know about you , but to me $ 300 is quite a bit more than $ 100 .
Three times more , in fact .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My PS3 can stream Netflix ... at 1080p with 7.1 audioNo it can't, because Netflix streams cap out at 720p with stereo audio.
Also, your PS3 still needs a disc in the drive in order to stream Netflix.
Not quite the same integrated experience as a Roku, Popbox, or even Xbox 360.
I guess if you never use the PS3 for anything but Netflix it works out the same since the disc will always be in the drive, but if you ever play games or other discs (Blu-Rays or DVDs), you'll have to get up off the couch and swap discs in order to stream Netflix.Yeah, yeah, the native PS3 app is "coming soon", and it's all because of Microsoft strongarming Netflix.
Whatever.  The fact is, PS3 does not yet have a native Netflix streaming app.Doesn't cost much more than these othersBy "not much more" you mean "2x to 3x as much", then sure.
Ignoring used models and the occasional sale, the PS3 sells for $300.
A Roku player is $100, and the Popbox in the article is expected to be $130.
I don't know about you, but to me $300 is quite a bit more than $100.
Three times more, in fact.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30643676</id>
	<title>Popcorn C-200</title>
	<author>rduke15</author>
	<datestamp>1262632560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I read a lot of bad stuff about the new C-200 Popcorn, but mine seems to work fine as a media player. I have many DVD copies (in FILM\_TITLE/VIDEO\_TS folders; I don't have<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.iso files). They play fine, including language and subtitle control. The remote control is quite nice. Definitely better than my DVD player's remote, or the A110 remote. Also, the hard drive tray is cool. Just push a bare SATA drive into it, and that's it.</p><p>On the other side, there are a few things against it: it's expensive. The Gigabit network port seems slow. There is no real SSH or Telnet access which would have helped tweak the configuration and backing it up. The web server doesn't let you set it up from your browser (you have to use the remote. It is much bigger than the previous A110, so it's not really portable. The Audio player part is unusable because there doesn't seem to be any sort of playlist support.</p><p>In the end, it plays the files I want (DVD copies), and even though I can not tweak it as I wished and cannot install an rsync server on it, I can still use rsync by connecting to it's NFS server, and Windows file sharing for the Windows machines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I read a lot of bad stuff about the new C-200 Popcorn , but mine seems to work fine as a media player .
I have many DVD copies ( in FILM \ _TITLE/VIDEO \ _TS folders ; I do n't have .iso files ) .
They play fine , including language and subtitle control .
The remote control is quite nice .
Definitely better than my DVD player 's remote , or the A110 remote .
Also , the hard drive tray is cool .
Just push a bare SATA drive into it , and that 's it.On the other side , there are a few things against it : it 's expensive .
The Gigabit network port seems slow .
There is no real SSH or Telnet access which would have helped tweak the configuration and backing it up .
The web server does n't let you set it up from your browser ( you have to use the remote .
It is much bigger than the previous A110 , so it 's not really portable .
The Audio player part is unusable because there does n't seem to be any sort of playlist support.In the end , it plays the files I want ( DVD copies ) , and even though I can not tweak it as I wished and can not install an rsync server on it , I can still use rsync by connecting to it 's NFS server , and Windows file sharing for the Windows machines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read a lot of bad stuff about the new C-200 Popcorn, but mine seems to work fine as a media player.
I have many DVD copies (in FILM\_TITLE/VIDEO\_TS folders; I don't have .iso files).
They play fine, including language and subtitle control.
The remote control is quite nice.
Definitely better than my DVD player's remote, or the A110 remote.
Also, the hard drive tray is cool.
Just push a bare SATA drive into it, and that's it.On the other side, there are a few things against it: it's expensive.
The Gigabit network port seems slow.
There is no real SSH or Telnet access which would have helped tweak the configuration and backing it up.
The web server doesn't let you set it up from your browser (you have to use the remote.
It is much bigger than the previous A110, so it's not really portable.
The Audio player part is unusable because there doesn't seem to be any sort of playlist support.In the end, it plays the files I want (DVD copies), and even though I can not tweak it as I wished and cannot install an rsync server on it, I can still use rsync by connecting to it's NFS server, and Windows file sharing for the Windows machines.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30642210</id>
	<title>Re:How can it be a run for it's money at $200?</title>
	<author>j00r0m4nc3r</author>
	<datestamp>1262626620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Have you ever used XBMC</i> <br> <br>
Are you serious? XBMC has the <strong>worst, most retarded, most un-intuitive</strong> UI of any program I have used in a long time. I installed it and ran it and I thought, "Well here's a decent looking program." and then about 10 seconds later I started smashing things. And then about 2 hours later I figured it out with the help of a bunch of web HOWTOs. And it's not like I'm a moron. And it's not like there's just one little tiny annoying thing, the entire setup is wrong. From the system settings, to the library interface, it's just plain wrong. This isn't a case of different strokes, it's wrong on an absolute scale. I think the backend engine is probably decent -- it has some nice features, but whoever designed that interface has their head screwed on sideways or something.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you ever used XBMC Are you serious ?
XBMC has the worst , most retarded , most un-intuitive UI of any program I have used in a long time .
I installed it and ran it and I thought , " Well here 's a decent looking program .
" and then about 10 seconds later I started smashing things .
And then about 2 hours later I figured it out with the help of a bunch of web HOWTOs .
And it 's not like I 'm a moron .
And it 's not like there 's just one little tiny annoying thing , the entire setup is wrong .
From the system settings , to the library interface , it 's just plain wrong .
This is n't a case of different strokes , it 's wrong on an absolute scale .
I think the backend engine is probably decent -- it has some nice features , but whoever designed that interface has their head screwed on sideways or something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you ever used XBMC  
Are you serious?
XBMC has the worst, most retarded, most un-intuitive UI of any program I have used in a long time.
I installed it and ran it and I thought, "Well here's a decent looking program.
" and then about 10 seconds later I started smashing things.
And then about 2 hours later I figured it out with the help of a bunch of web HOWTOs.
And it's not like I'm a moron.
And it's not like there's just one little tiny annoying thing, the entire setup is wrong.
From the system settings, to the library interface, it's just plain wrong.
This isn't a case of different strokes, it's wrong on an absolute scale.
I think the backend engine is probably decent -- it has some nice features, but whoever designed that interface has their head screwed on sideways or something.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640092</id>
	<title>could be cool</title>
	<author>grub</author>
	<datestamp>1262617320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><br>If this works as well as their spinoff <a href="http://www.popcornhour.com/" title="popcornhour.com" rel="nofollow">Popcornhour Network Media Tank</a> [popcornhour.com] systems it will(?) be a success. We own two Popcornhours with a 3rd (C-200) coming soon. Great for xvid, x264, DVD ISOs, etc up to 1080p.<br> <br>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If this works as well as their spinoff Popcornhour Network Media Tank [ popcornhour.com ] systems it will ( ?
) be a success .
We own two Popcornhours with a 3rd ( C-200 ) coming soon .
Great for xvid , x264 , DVD ISOs , etc up to 1080p .
.</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this works as well as their spinoff Popcornhour Network Media Tank [popcornhour.com] systems it will(?
) be a success.
We own two Popcornhours with a 3rd (C-200) coming soon.
Great for xvid, x264, DVD ISOs, etc up to 1080p.
.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640670</id>
	<title>Hulu is what we're waiting for...</title>
	<author>oldenuf2knowbetter</author>
	<datestamp>1262620680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Living in an area with poor over-the-air digital TV reception, my daughter had to make the financial choice between broadband and cable TV.  Wisely, she chose broadband.  I bought her a Roku unit and she loves it.</p><p>With Roku for Netflix and Amazon access and her laptop plugged into her TV for Hulu access she doesn't really miss cable - but she'd really like to have a single set-top unit that provides both Netflix and Hulu.</p><p>I've been looking at the Myka ION as a possible Roku replacement/upgrade for her but it seems more capable than necessary and at least $100 over-priced.  When something appears that provides Roku capability plus Hulu for around $200, I'll buy one for her.  If it also provides access to the websites of CNN and broadcast networks, I'll pay $250 for it.</p><p>Note that if it also provided optional access to BBC America, Discovery, TLC, History, and NatGeo, I'd be willing to pay a reasonable subscription fee to each of those companies, buy a unit for myself, and drop my own cable TV serice in a heartbeat.</p><p>Now that I think about it, if TV broadcasters were streaming their own content to such a device, I'd also be willing to pay each of them a monthly subscription fee.  How much?  I don't know.  But the fact that Fox was asking Time Warner $1 per month per subscriber tells me what a subscription should cost.  $1 each month to each of the probably ten content providers I care about would be perfect - and save me over $60 per month compared to my current cable bill.  Buying a new STB for $250 with a 4-month ROI looks like a good deal to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Living in an area with poor over-the-air digital TV reception , my daughter had to make the financial choice between broadband and cable TV .
Wisely , she chose broadband .
I bought her a Roku unit and she loves it.With Roku for Netflix and Amazon access and her laptop plugged into her TV for Hulu access she does n't really miss cable - but she 'd really like to have a single set-top unit that provides both Netflix and Hulu.I 've been looking at the Myka ION as a possible Roku replacement/upgrade for her but it seems more capable than necessary and at least $ 100 over-priced .
When something appears that provides Roku capability plus Hulu for around $ 200 , I 'll buy one for her .
If it also provides access to the websites of CNN and broadcast networks , I 'll pay $ 250 for it.Note that if it also provided optional access to BBC America , Discovery , TLC , History , and NatGeo , I 'd be willing to pay a reasonable subscription fee to each of those companies , buy a unit for myself , and drop my own cable TV serice in a heartbeat.Now that I think about it , if TV broadcasters were streaming their own content to such a device , I 'd also be willing to pay each of them a monthly subscription fee .
How much ?
I do n't know .
But the fact that Fox was asking Time Warner $ 1 per month per subscriber tells me what a subscription should cost .
$ 1 each month to each of the probably ten content providers I care about would be perfect - and save me over $ 60 per month compared to my current cable bill .
Buying a new STB for $ 250 with a 4-month ROI looks like a good deal to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Living in an area with poor over-the-air digital TV reception, my daughter had to make the financial choice between broadband and cable TV.
Wisely, she chose broadband.
I bought her a Roku unit and she loves it.With Roku for Netflix and Amazon access and her laptop plugged into her TV for Hulu access she doesn't really miss cable - but she'd really like to have a single set-top unit that provides both Netflix and Hulu.I've been looking at the Myka ION as a possible Roku replacement/upgrade for her but it seems more capable than necessary and at least $100 over-priced.
When something appears that provides Roku capability plus Hulu for around $200, I'll buy one for her.
If it also provides access to the websites of CNN and broadcast networks, I'll pay $250 for it.Note that if it also provided optional access to BBC America, Discovery, TLC, History, and NatGeo, I'd be willing to pay a reasonable subscription fee to each of those companies, buy a unit for myself, and drop my own cable TV serice in a heartbeat.Now that I think about it, if TV broadcasters were streaming their own content to such a device, I'd also be willing to pay each of them a monthly subscription fee.
How much?
I don't know.
But the fact that Fox was asking Time Warner $1 per month per subscriber tells me what a subscription should cost.
$1 each month to each of the probably ten content providers I care about would be perfect - and save me over $60 per month compared to my current cable bill.
Buying a new STB for $250 with a 4-month ROI looks like a good deal to me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640502</id>
	<title>Cable companies:  WAKE UP!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262619900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This should be a very large cue to the cable co's to shift their tiered pricing structure to an ala carte format.  I, along with untold numbers of others, are sincerely fed up with our $100/mo. cable bills with poor quality video and tons of fluff we never watch.  The second I can get access to all of the shows I like via the 'net, is the second I cancel my cable TV sub and go 100\% internet based.  I'm quite willing to wait a couple days for the shows to be posted on the 'net, if it means cutting my monthly expenditures by three figures.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This should be a very large cue to the cable co 's to shift their tiered pricing structure to an ala carte format .
I , along with untold numbers of others , are sincerely fed up with our $ 100/mo .
cable bills with poor quality video and tons of fluff we never watch .
The second I can get access to all of the shows I like via the 'net , is the second I cancel my cable TV sub and go 100 \ % internet based .
I 'm quite willing to wait a couple days for the shows to be posted on the 'net , if it means cutting my monthly expenditures by three figures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This should be a very large cue to the cable co's to shift their tiered pricing structure to an ala carte format.
I, along with untold numbers of others, are sincerely fed up with our $100/mo.
cable bills with poor quality video and tons of fluff we never watch.
The second I can get access to all of the shows I like via the 'net, is the second I cancel my cable TV sub and go 100\% internet based.
I'm quite willing to wait a couple days for the shows to be posted on the 'net, if it means cutting my monthly expenditures by three figures.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30643306</id>
	<title>How About No?</title>
	<author>sexconker</author>
	<datestamp>1262630940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I do NOT want a sea of divided little set top boxes that are merely adequate.</p><p>It pisses me off that Netflix HD streaming isn't available on the PC, but it is on dinky little boxes.</p><p>I was watching shit via Netflix's streaming service on my PC (connected to my TV) and when the PS3 finally got the Netflix service (you have to use a disc to run the Netflix software, though that should change soon) I noticed that shit was in HD.</p><p>Box A supports Hulu and Netflix but not Amazon.<br>Box B supports Netflix and Amazon and promises future support for other things (will never happen).<br>Box C lets you stream crap in crappy quality when you're away from home.</p><p>I'm amazed that a dumb box for dumb people has done so well.  The concept of another box and another remote usually strike fear into the hearts of the plebes.  Maybe it was the shitty name "Roku" that got people to love it.</p><p>Many TVs and Blu-Ray players already support some sort of streaming service or media channel, but it's never the one you want.  This is precisely the kind of crap that SHOULD be standardized (though there's no technical reason to - it's brain-dead simple to stream video to a host on the internet) in order to help the consumer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do NOT want a sea of divided little set top boxes that are merely adequate.It pisses me off that Netflix HD streaming is n't available on the PC , but it is on dinky little boxes.I was watching shit via Netflix 's streaming service on my PC ( connected to my TV ) and when the PS3 finally got the Netflix service ( you have to use a disc to run the Netflix software , though that should change soon ) I noticed that shit was in HD.Box A supports Hulu and Netflix but not Amazon.Box B supports Netflix and Amazon and promises future support for other things ( will never happen ) .Box C lets you stream crap in crappy quality when you 're away from home.I 'm amazed that a dumb box for dumb people has done so well .
The concept of another box and another remote usually strike fear into the hearts of the plebes .
Maybe it was the shitty name " Roku " that got people to love it.Many TVs and Blu-Ray players already support some sort of streaming service or media channel , but it 's never the one you want .
This is precisely the kind of crap that SHOULD be standardized ( though there 's no technical reason to - it 's brain-dead simple to stream video to a host on the internet ) in order to help the consumer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do NOT want a sea of divided little set top boxes that are merely adequate.It pisses me off that Netflix HD streaming isn't available on the PC, but it is on dinky little boxes.I was watching shit via Netflix's streaming service on my PC (connected to my TV) and when the PS3 finally got the Netflix service (you have to use a disc to run the Netflix software, though that should change soon) I noticed that shit was in HD.Box A supports Hulu and Netflix but not Amazon.Box B supports Netflix and Amazon and promises future support for other things (will never happen).Box C lets you stream crap in crappy quality when you're away from home.I'm amazed that a dumb box for dumb people has done so well.
The concept of another box and another remote usually strike fear into the hearts of the plebes.
Maybe it was the shitty name "Roku" that got people to love it.Many TVs and Blu-Ray players already support some sort of streaming service or media channel, but it's never the one you want.
This is precisely the kind of crap that SHOULD be standardized (though there's no technical reason to - it's brain-dead simple to stream video to a host on the internet) in order to help the consumer.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30641392</id>
	<title>On a related note...</title>
	<author>sootman</author>
	<datestamp>1262623500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... has anyone here played with a <a href="http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&amp;rls=en-us&amp;q=wd+tv+live&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8" title="google.com">Western Digital "WD TV Live"?</a> [google.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... has anyone here played with a Western Digital " WD TV Live " ?
[ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... has anyone here played with a Western Digital "WD TV Live"?
[google.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640044</id>
	<title>How can it be a run for it's money at $200?</title>
	<author>MistrBlank</author>
	<datestamp>1262616960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just got a roku for my parents, and at $100 it does what it needs to just fine.  I can see Roku easily adding a USB port and "Media" channel to a future box without touching the pricepoint and doing the same thing all of these other boxes do.</p><p>Oh and it doesn't look like that stupid melted cube that D-link is trying to sell.<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just got a roku for my parents , and at $ 100 it does what it needs to just fine .
I can see Roku easily adding a USB port and " Media " channel to a future box without touching the pricepoint and doing the same thing all of these other boxes do.Oh and it does n't look like that stupid melted cube that D-link is trying to sell .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just got a roku for my parents, and at $100 it does what it needs to just fine.
I can see Roku easily adding a USB port and "Media" channel to a future box without touching the pricepoint and doing the same thing all of these other boxes do.Oh and it doesn't look like that stupid melted cube that D-link is trying to sell.
 </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30642316</id>
	<title>Re:But all the on-line content sucks</title>
	<author>BLKMGK</author>
	<datestamp>1262627040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>XBMC, there done! Or rather doing it - all setup for me already..... This exists and has for well over a year!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>XBMC , there done !
Or rather doing it - all setup for me already..... This exists and has for well over a year !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>XBMC, there done!
Or rather doing it - all setup for me already..... This exists and has for well over a year!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640302</id>
	<title>PS3</title>
	<author>Stele</author>
	<datestamp>1262618760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My PS3 can stream Netflix and stream video from my PC, at 1080p with 7.1 audio. And it can play BluRay and upscale regular DVDs. Oh and there are some games. Doesn't cost much more than these others and has a very nice user experience.</p><p>Why not just get one of them? Hopefully not because it doesn't run Linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My PS3 can stream Netflix and stream video from my PC , at 1080p with 7.1 audio .
And it can play BluRay and upscale regular DVDs .
Oh and there are some games .
Does n't cost much more than these others and has a very nice user experience.Why not just get one of them ?
Hopefully not because it does n't run Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My PS3 can stream Netflix and stream video from my PC, at 1080p with 7.1 audio.
And it can play BluRay and upscale regular DVDs.
Oh and there are some games.
Doesn't cost much more than these others and has a very nice user experience.Why not just get one of them?
Hopefully not because it doesn't run Linux.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30644204</id>
	<title>Re:PS3</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262634840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Too bad the PS3 has poor coded and container support. Forget about MKV, selecting audio tracks, subtitles and so on. With some fiddling the DLNA server (PS3MediaServer I guess) can do this transcoding, but it is cumbersome (track selected from defaults on the PC side), and requires some serious CPU for HD content. There is no direct SMB support either, you NEED a DLNA server.</p><p>So the PS3 is a bad streamer if you have your own media library.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Too bad the PS3 has poor coded and container support .
Forget about MKV , selecting audio tracks , subtitles and so on .
With some fiddling the DLNA server ( PS3MediaServer I guess ) can do this transcoding , but it is cumbersome ( track selected from defaults on the PC side ) , and requires some serious CPU for HD content .
There is no direct SMB support either , you NEED a DLNA server.So the PS3 is a bad streamer if you have your own media library .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too bad the PS3 has poor coded and container support.
Forget about MKV, selecting audio tracks, subtitles and so on.
With some fiddling the DLNA server (PS3MediaServer I guess) can do this transcoding, but it is cumbersome (track selected from defaults on the PC side), and requires some serious CPU for HD content.
There is no direct SMB support either, you NEED a DLNA server.So the PS3 is a bad streamer if you have your own media library.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640160</id>
	<title>NetFlix in Linux?</title>
	<author>Aldenissin</author>
	<datestamp>1262617740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>D-Link, meanwhile, is rumored to be scrambling to add Netflix streaming support to its BoxeeBox device as well, prior to inaugural shipments of that device. All three run embedded Linux OSes,</i></p><p>
&nbsp; If I read this right, it is believed that D-Link runs Linux on the BoxeeBox and is trying to get NetFlix working. If they can do it, shouldn't I be able to in Ubuntu as well?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>D-Link , meanwhile , is rumored to be scrambling to add Netflix streaming support to its BoxeeBox device as well , prior to inaugural shipments of that device .
All three run embedded Linux OSes ,   If I read this right , it is believed that D-Link runs Linux on the BoxeeBox and is trying to get NetFlix working .
If they can do it , should n't I be able to in Ubuntu as well ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>D-Link, meanwhile, is rumored to be scrambling to add Netflix streaming support to its BoxeeBox device as well, prior to inaugural shipments of that device.
All three run embedded Linux OSes,
  If I read this right, it is believed that D-Link runs Linux on the BoxeeBox and is trying to get NetFlix working.
If they can do it, shouldn't I be able to in Ubuntu as well?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30640272</id>
	<title>Looking for</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262618640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>How can I take information about <a href="http://www.oto24.com/" title="oto24.com" rel="nofollow">Oto24</a> [oto24.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>How can I take information about Oto24 [ oto24.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How can I take information about Oto24 [oto24.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30641636</id>
	<title>Re:could be cool</title>
	<author>Zerth</author>
	<datestamp>1262624520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It looks like the regular popcorn hour, but neutered.  No on-disk storage, no local streaming/media server.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It looks like the regular popcorn hour , but neutered .
No on-disk storage , no local streaming/media server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It looks like the regular popcorn hour, but neutered.
No on-disk storage, no local streaming/media server.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_1342256.30644528</id>
	<title>do77</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262636340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">cycle; take a Is dying.Things That *BSD is one Here but now I won't bore you and as BSD sinks too much formality For the project. could sink your to the original Your own beer Of Walnut Creek, want them there. fucking percent of Locatin6 #GNAA, real problems since we made the noises out of the Worse and worse. As of BSD/OS. A For membership. startling turn Start a holy war do, and with any People playing can Had become like on my Pentium Pro You down. It was BSD's filesystem ass until I hit my numbers continue Have somebody just offended some exploited that. A guys are usually 4.1BSD product, volume of NetBSD is dying and its Happen. 'At least turd-suckingly those uber-asshole where it belongs, We nned to address 1. Therefore it's exactly what you've Things the right</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>cycle ; take a Is dying.Things That * BSD is one Here but now I wo n't bore you and as BSD sinks too much formality For the project .
could sink your to the original Your own beer Of Walnut Creek , want them there .
fucking percent of Locatin6 # GNAA , real problems since we made the noises out of the Worse and worse .
As of BSD/OS .
A For membership .
startling turn Start a holy war do , and with any People playing can Had become like on my Pentium Pro You down .
It was BSD 's filesystem ass until I hit my numbers continue Have somebody just offended some exploited that .
A guys are usually 4.1BSD product , volume of NetBSD is dying and its Happen .
'At least turd-suckingly those uber-asshole where it belongs , We nned to address 1 .
Therefore it 's exactly what you 've Things the right [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>cycle; take a Is dying.Things That *BSD is one Here but now I won't bore you and as BSD sinks too much formality For the project.
could sink your to the original Your own beer Of Walnut Creek, want them there.
fucking percent of Locatin6 #GNAA, real problems since we made the noises out of the Worse and worse.
As of BSD/OS.
A For membership.
startling turn Start a holy war do, and with any People playing can Had become like on my Pentium Pro You down.
It was BSD's filesystem ass until I hit my numbers continue Have somebody just offended some exploited that.
A guys are usually 4.1BSD product, volume of NetBSD is dying and its Happen.
'At least turd-suckingly those uber-asshole where it belongs, We nned to address 1.
Therefore it's exactly what you've Things the right [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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