<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_04_0747215</id>
	<title>Net Users In Belarus May Soon Have To Register</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1262635140000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Cwix writes <i>"A new law proposed in Belarus <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34633201/ns/technology\_and\_science-tech\_and\_gadgets/">would require all net users and online publications to register with the state</a>: 'Belarus' authoritarian leader is promising to toughen regulation of the Internet and its users in an apparent effort to exert control over the last fully free medium in the former Soviet state. He told journalists that a new Internet bill, proposed Tuesday, would require the registration and identification of all online publications and of each Web user, including visitors to Internet cafes. Web service providers would have to report this information to police, courts, and special services.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cwix writes " A new law proposed in Belarus would require all net users and online publications to register with the state : 'Belarus ' authoritarian leader is promising to toughen regulation of the Internet and its users in an apparent effort to exert control over the last fully free medium in the former Soviet state .
He told journalists that a new Internet bill , proposed Tuesday , would require the registration and identification of all online publications and of each Web user , including visitors to Internet cafes .
Web service providers would have to report this information to police , courts , and special services .
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<sentencetext>Cwix writes "A new law proposed in Belarus would require all net users and online publications to register with the state: 'Belarus' authoritarian leader is promising to toughen regulation of the Internet and its users in an apparent effort to exert control over the last fully free medium in the former Soviet state.
He told journalists that a new Internet bill, proposed Tuesday, would require the registration and identification of all online publications and of each Web user, including visitors to Internet cafes.
Web service providers would have to report this information to police, courts, and special services.
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30638622</id>
	<title>Re:How is this different?</title>
	<author>xouumalperxe</author>
	<datestamp>1262598960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Apart from internet cafes, which are blanketed with CCTV cameras, all users in Western nations also need to register to use the internet. Registration is with a third party, but the government has access to all third party information, so effectively the same thing. This is simply "the east" catching up with "the west".</p></div><p>So you're saying belorussian ISPs don't require registration? Or how is this "catching up"?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apart from internet cafes , which are blanketed with CCTV cameras , all users in Western nations also need to register to use the internet .
Registration is with a third party , but the government has access to all third party information , so effectively the same thing .
This is simply " the east " catching up with " the west " .So you 're saying belorussian ISPs do n't require registration ?
Or how is this " catching up " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apart from internet cafes, which are blanketed with CCTV cameras, all users in Western nations also need to register to use the internet.
Registration is with a third party, but the government has access to all third party information, so effectively the same thing.
This is simply "the east" catching up with "the west".So you're saying belorussian ISPs don't require registration?
Or how is this "catching up"?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30639990</id>
	<title>Re:just like in Italy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262616480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its not true in Cuba.  They have open systems on resorts.  But the staff and locals are expressly forbidden to use it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its not true in Cuba .
They have open systems on resorts .
But the staff and locals are expressly forbidden to use it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its not true in Cuba.
They have open systems on resorts.
But the staff and locals are expressly forbidden to use it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30640250</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1262618400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, but they will eventually get a shot economy, corrupt and inapt leadership, erh... Ok, maybe it's the other way 'round, you need a shot economy and corrupt leadership to arrive here...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , but they will eventually get a shot economy , corrupt and inapt leadership , erh... Ok , maybe it 's the other way 'round , you need a shot economy and corrupt leadership to arrive here.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, but they will eventually get a shot economy, corrupt and inapt leadership, erh... Ok, maybe it's the other way 'round, you need a shot economy and corrupt leadership to arrive here...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30639144</id>
	<title>1984</title>
	<author>eugene2k</author>
	<datestamp>1262607480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How come there's no 1984 tag here?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How come there 's no 1984 tag here ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How come there's no 1984 tag here?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30639292</id>
	<title>Re:How is this different?</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1262609580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Weird, I'm living in a Western country (well, at least relative to Belarus; having it at my east border and all...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:p ) and can easily buy in most newsstands, gas stations or supermarkets a prepaid SIM-card giving me data access. In many of those places I can also buy quite cheap phone giving me GPRS connection; and with temperatures we have today, nobody would even blink an eye at me being dressed in a way that effectively disguises me.</p><p>You were saying?...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Weird , I 'm living in a Western country ( well , at least relative to Belarus ; having it at my east border and all... : p ) and can easily buy in most newsstands , gas stations or supermarkets a prepaid SIM-card giving me data access .
In many of those places I can also buy quite cheap phone giving me GPRS connection ; and with temperatures we have today , nobody would even blink an eye at me being dressed in a way that effectively disguises me.You were saying ? .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Weird, I'm living in a Western country (well, at least relative to Belarus; having it at my east border and all... :p ) and can easily buy in most newsstands, gas stations or supermarkets a prepaid SIM-card giving me data access.
In many of those places I can also buy quite cheap phone giving me GPRS connection; and with temperatures we have today, nobody would even blink an eye at me being dressed in a way that effectively disguises me.You were saying?...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30643632</id>
	<title>Re:What about fax?</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1262632440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As we all know the fax destroyed the Soviet Union. The whole forbidden books were transmitted by fax.</p></div><p>That's wishful thinking. It wasn't any kind of technology that brought USSR down. It was a long-running economic and political leadership crisis.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As we all know the fax destroyed the Soviet Union .
The whole forbidden books were transmitted by fax.That 's wishful thinking .
It was n't any kind of technology that brought USSR down .
It was a long-running economic and political leadership crisis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As we all know the fax destroyed the Soviet Union.
The whole forbidden books were transmitted by fax.That's wishful thinking.
It wasn't any kind of technology that brought USSR down.
It was a long-running economic and political leadership crisis.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30638432</id>
	<title>How is this different?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262596080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apart from internet cafes, which are blanketed with CCTV cameras, all users in Western nations also need to register to use the internet. Registration is with a third party, but the government has access to all third party information, so effectively the same thing. This is simply "the east" catching up with "the west".</p><p>People who felt the government shouldn't turn too big have largely been proved right when it comes to the area of surveillance - every Western nation will have total online oversight.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apart from internet cafes , which are blanketed with CCTV cameras , all users in Western nations also need to register to use the internet .
Registration is with a third party , but the government has access to all third party information , so effectively the same thing .
This is simply " the east " catching up with " the west " .People who felt the government should n't turn too big have largely been proved right when it comes to the area of surveillance - every Western nation will have total online oversight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apart from internet cafes, which are blanketed with CCTV cameras, all users in Western nations also need to register to use the internet.
Registration is with a third party, but the government has access to all third party information, so effectively the same thing.
This is simply "the east" catching up with "the west".People who felt the government shouldn't turn too big have largely been proved right when it comes to the area of surveillance - every Western nation will have total online oversight.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30643198</id>
	<title>Silly Lukashenko..</title>
	<author>formfeed</author>
	<datestamp>1262630460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>.. should have named this the "Protect our children act".
<br> Way to go before he catches up with the West.</htmltext>
<tokenext>.. should have named this the " Protect our children act " .
Way to go before he catches up with the West .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.. should have named this the "Protect our children act".
Way to go before he catches up with the West.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30638644</id>
	<title>just like in Italy?</title>
	<author>itsme1234</author>
	<datestamp>1262599440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can somebody with more knowledge comment on what are the significant differences between Belarus and Italy? In Italy they are obliged to scan your ID when you want internet access and also they have to log many things and be sure to be able to correlate them with you. Free anonymous internet ("normal" open wifi) is forbidden as far as I know.</p><p>As a side-note in Italy if you're a guest your host (at least the "organized" ones, like hotels and such) are obliged to take all your data and report you to some authority. I'm sure there are many countries with the same requirement but the first one that comes to mind is Cuba...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can somebody with more knowledge comment on what are the significant differences between Belarus and Italy ?
In Italy they are obliged to scan your ID when you want internet access and also they have to log many things and be sure to be able to correlate them with you .
Free anonymous internet ( " normal " open wifi ) is forbidden as far as I know.As a side-note in Italy if you 're a guest your host ( at least the " organized " ones , like hotels and such ) are obliged to take all your data and report you to some authority .
I 'm sure there are many countries with the same requirement but the first one that comes to mind is Cuba.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can somebody with more knowledge comment on what are the significant differences between Belarus and Italy?
In Italy they are obliged to scan your ID when you want internet access and also they have to log many things and be sure to be able to correlate them with you.
Free anonymous internet ("normal" open wifi) is forbidden as far as I know.As a side-note in Italy if you're a guest your host (at least the "organized" ones, like hotels and such) are obliged to take all your data and report you to some authority.
I'm sure there are many countries with the same requirement but the first one that comes to mind is Cuba...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30643534</id>
	<title>Re:Belarus is a predictive signal for Russia.</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1262632080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>People in Belarus and Russia will, however, see financial improvements in their life.</p></div><p>There was a brief spike in economy in Russia in 2000-2006, but that is over now, and was caused mostly by advantageous external conditions, not some genius policy making from inside. At the moment, both countries are going down, with Belarus doing it faster.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>People in Belarus and Russia will , however , see financial improvements in their life.There was a brief spike in economy in Russia in 2000-2006 , but that is over now , and was caused mostly by advantageous external conditions , not some genius policy making from inside .
At the moment , both countries are going down , with Belarus doing it faster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People in Belarus and Russia will, however, see financial improvements in their life.There was a brief spike in economy in Russia in 2000-2006, but that is over now, and was caused mostly by advantageous external conditions, not some genius policy making from inside.
At the moment, both countries are going down, with Belarus doing it faster.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30638800</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30652770</id>
	<title>Re:just like in Italy?</title>
	<author>dunkelfalke</author>
	<datestamp>1262686560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, the answer is easy: in Italia noodles are the staple food, while in Belarus, potatoes are the staple food.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , the answer is easy : in Italia noodles are the staple food , while in Belarus , potatoes are the staple food .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, the answer is easy: in Italia noodles are the staple food, while in Belarus, potatoes are the staple food.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30638644</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30638820</id>
	<title>Re:How is this different?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262602140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This still a big difference. I would imagine one of them would be the approval process. I could get service from an ISP with a PO Box and a name that isn't really my own. Do you think the government of Belarus would be so lenient? After all, their objective would be to have information on you, not collect money (though, I'm sure there will be a process fee, likely paid upfront).</p><p>The government still has to ask ISPs for your info, believe it or not. Most are willing to give it away but it is still different from the government having it directly.</p><p>So if I register with an ISP using a PO Box and an alias, then when the government asks them for my details they don't get much of anything. If I have to register directly with the government first, they are likely going to demand a better accounting of my personal information.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This still a big difference .
I would imagine one of them would be the approval process .
I could get service from an ISP with a PO Box and a name that is n't really my own .
Do you think the government of Belarus would be so lenient ?
After all , their objective would be to have information on you , not collect money ( though , I 'm sure there will be a process fee , likely paid upfront ) .The government still has to ask ISPs for your info , believe it or not .
Most are willing to give it away but it is still different from the government having it directly.So if I register with an ISP using a PO Box and an alias , then when the government asks them for my details they do n't get much of anything .
If I have to register directly with the government first , they are likely going to demand a better accounting of my personal information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This still a big difference.
I would imagine one of them would be the approval process.
I could get service from an ISP with a PO Box and a name that isn't really my own.
Do you think the government of Belarus would be so lenient?
After all, their objective would be to have information on you, not collect money (though, I'm sure there will be a process fee, likely paid upfront).The government still has to ask ISPs for your info, believe it or not.
Most are willing to give it away but it is still different from the government having it directly.So if I register with an ISP using a PO Box and an alias, then when the government asks them for my details they don't get much of anything.
If I have to register directly with the government first, they are likely going to demand a better accounting of my personal information.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30638432</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30640362</id>
	<title>Re:What about fax?</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1262619240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think they're afraid of "bad ideas" from the outside. I think the goal is to cripple attempts to coordinate and cooperate inside the country.</p><p>Former Soviet countries tried to block the "bad influence" from the west and ignored the domestic multiplication once such material arrived in the country. That cannot work, as we've seen and as you have explained. The distribution is what they try to block. And that's much easier because not everyone has the "expertise" to circumvent it. If one person has access to "forbidden" material, it doesn't really matter.</p><p>Think of copy protection and their circumvention. Only a handful of people, compared to the ones wanting it, can actually defeat copy protection. Only with the distribution thereof it becomes a problem for the creators. If every single person who wants to copy content had to know how to do it (and I don't mean "know what button to push in the circumvention tool"), only a handful of people would be able to copy content.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think they 're afraid of " bad ideas " from the outside .
I think the goal is to cripple attempts to coordinate and cooperate inside the country.Former Soviet countries tried to block the " bad influence " from the west and ignored the domestic multiplication once such material arrived in the country .
That can not work , as we 've seen and as you have explained .
The distribution is what they try to block .
And that 's much easier because not everyone has the " expertise " to circumvent it .
If one person has access to " forbidden " material , it does n't really matter.Think of copy protection and their circumvention .
Only a handful of people , compared to the ones wanting it , can actually defeat copy protection .
Only with the distribution thereof it becomes a problem for the creators .
If every single person who wants to copy content had to know how to do it ( and I do n't mean " know what button to push in the circumvention tool " ) , only a handful of people would be able to copy content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think they're afraid of "bad ideas" from the outside.
I think the goal is to cripple attempts to coordinate and cooperate inside the country.Former Soviet countries tried to block the "bad influence" from the west and ignored the domestic multiplication once such material arrived in the country.
That cannot work, as we've seen and as you have explained.
The distribution is what they try to block.
And that's much easier because not everyone has the "expertise" to circumvent it.
If one person has access to "forbidden" material, it doesn't really matter.Think of copy protection and their circumvention.
Only a handful of people, compared to the ones wanting it, can actually defeat copy protection.
Only with the distribution thereof it becomes a problem for the creators.
If every single person who wants to copy content had to know how to do it (and I don't mean "know what button to push in the circumvention tool"), only a handful of people would be able to copy content.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30640538</id>
	<title>Re:just like in Italy?</title>
	<author>aspelling</author>
	<datestamp>1262620080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Silvio Berlusconi is not so much different: he is very power-hungry despot as Putin and Lukashenko</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Silvio Berlusconi is not so much different : he is very power-hungry despot as Putin and Lukashenko</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Silvio Berlusconi is not so much different: he is very power-hungry despot as Putin and Lukashenko</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30644064</id>
	<title>Belarus FYI</title>
	<author>wganz</author>
	<datestamp>1262634240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Belarus is the last USSR style communist state in Eastern Europe. The USA readers would probably better understand it as a European version of North Korea. The statue of Lenin still stands in front of their nation's capital building and there is a statue on a side street commemorating the site of the founding of the USSR's KGB.</p><p>There is no private property in Belarus. Everything is owned by the state which is tightly controlled by President Lukashenko.</p><p>But they do have free medical care for all its citizens.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-\</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Belarus is the last USSR style communist state in Eastern Europe .
The USA readers would probably better understand it as a European version of North Korea .
The statue of Lenin still stands in front of their nation 's capital building and there is a statue on a side street commemorating the site of the founding of the USSR 's KGB.There is no private property in Belarus .
Everything is owned by the state which is tightly controlled by President Lukashenko.But they do have free medical care for all its citizens .
: - \</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Belarus is the last USSR style communist state in Eastern Europe.
The USA readers would probably better understand it as a European version of North Korea.
The statue of Lenin still stands in front of their nation's capital building and there is a statue on a side street commemorating the site of the founding of the USSR's KGB.There is no private property in Belarus.
Everything is owned by the state which is tightly controlled by President Lukashenko.But they do have free medical care for all its citizens.
:-\</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30640048</id>
	<title>Re:Belarus is a predictive signal for Russia.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262616960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have no idea what you're talking about.. Like whatever other poster said.. russians are apathetic.  I've heard many in agreeance say they'd be satisfied with a king, these are Russians who hate cops, break the drug laws, and regularly talk about not liking X and Y in government.. they're not scared of being hauled away with a pillowcase over their heads in the middle of the night..  In america we like to spread ideas that the rest of the world is a completely fucked place.. While your typical cop in russia is more corrupt than your cops over here.. we have entire departments that are just as bad.. probably in towns you've been to if you travel at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have no idea what you 're talking about.. Like whatever other poster said.. russians are apathetic .
I 've heard many in agreeance say they 'd be satisfied with a king , these are Russians who hate cops , break the drug laws , and regularly talk about not liking X and Y in government.. they 're not scared of being hauled away with a pillowcase over their heads in the middle of the night.. In america we like to spread ideas that the rest of the world is a completely fucked place.. While your typical cop in russia is more corrupt than your cops over here.. we have entire departments that are just as bad.. probably in towns you 've been to if you travel at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have no idea what you're talking about.. Like whatever other poster said.. russians are apathetic.
I've heard many in agreeance say they'd be satisfied with a king, these are Russians who hate cops, break the drug laws, and regularly talk about not liking X and Y in government.. they're not scared of being hauled away with a pillowcase over their heads in the middle of the night..  In america we like to spread ideas that the rest of the world is a completely fucked place.. While your typical cop in russia is more corrupt than your cops over here.. we have entire departments that are just as bad.. probably in towns you've been to if you travel at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30639286</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262609520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I here the health service isn't very good in Italy. Berlusconi's nose job operation looked pretty crude.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I here the health service is n't very good in Italy .
Berlusconi 's nose job operation looked pretty crude .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I here the health service isn't very good in Italy.
Berlusconi's nose job operation looked pretty crude.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30640324</id>
	<title>Re:1984</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1262618940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because 1984 was obvious. It would even be obvious for people of today. And they would probably oppose it. In 1984, the oppression was obvious and it invaded everyone's private space.</p><p>2010 (no, not the movie, the real deal) is more sophisticated. It's not your private space that's monitored. Why? Because it does not matter anyway. How does it matter what you think if you cannot coordinate with others? Alone you cannot change jack. And here's where the control sets in, when you try to coordinate. You may also rest assured that you can still speak your mind. You may even criticize government or established structures, at least as long as you have no audience. What good is a soapbox if nobody is listening?</p><p>Only when you start to gain some followership, you will be monitored and, if necessary, silenced. It's not really necessary to act any time sooner. And with a tool like this, it's easy to strike swiftly when it becomes necessary.</p><p>1984 style surveillance is very invasive and very expensive, and would create a lot more resistance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because 1984 was obvious .
It would even be obvious for people of today .
And they would probably oppose it .
In 1984 , the oppression was obvious and it invaded everyone 's private space.2010 ( no , not the movie , the real deal ) is more sophisticated .
It 's not your private space that 's monitored .
Why ? Because it does not matter anyway .
How does it matter what you think if you can not coordinate with others ?
Alone you can not change jack .
And here 's where the control sets in , when you try to coordinate .
You may also rest assured that you can still speak your mind .
You may even criticize government or established structures , at least as long as you have no audience .
What good is a soapbox if nobody is listening ? Only when you start to gain some followership , you will be monitored and , if necessary , silenced .
It 's not really necessary to act any time sooner .
And with a tool like this , it 's easy to strike swiftly when it becomes necessary.1984 style surveillance is very invasive and very expensive , and would create a lot more resistance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because 1984 was obvious.
It would even be obvious for people of today.
And they would probably oppose it.
In 1984, the oppression was obvious and it invaded everyone's private space.2010 (no, not the movie, the real deal) is more sophisticated.
It's not your private space that's monitored.
Why? Because it does not matter anyway.
How does it matter what you think if you cannot coordinate with others?
Alone you cannot change jack.
And here's where the control sets in, when you try to coordinate.
You may also rest assured that you can still speak your mind.
You may even criticize government or established structures, at least as long as you have no audience.
What good is a soapbox if nobody is listening?Only when you start to gain some followership, you will be monitored and, if necessary, silenced.
It's not really necessary to act any time sooner.
And with a tool like this, it's easy to strike swiftly when it becomes necessary.1984 style surveillance is very invasive and very expensive, and would create a lot more resistance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30639254</id>
	<title>Who says that's not the plan?</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1262609100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure, we're dealing here with totalitarian regime which likes to lock up people who are not in line...but at the same time it likes to have, formally, everything done properly during the proceedings. That means documentation of crime, evidence, etc. It might as well be fabricated, what's important is that it gives a bit more legitimacy to the whole circus.</p><p>Such internet account is perfect for this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , we 're dealing here with totalitarian regime which likes to lock up people who are not in line...but at the same time it likes to have , formally , everything done properly during the proceedings .
That means documentation of crime , evidence , etc .
It might as well be fabricated , what 's important is that it gives a bit more legitimacy to the whole circus.Such internet account is perfect for this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, we're dealing here with totalitarian regime which likes to lock up people who are not in line...but at the same time it likes to have, formally, everything done properly during the proceedings.
That means documentation of crime, evidence, etc.
It might as well be fabricated, what's important is that it gives a bit more legitimacy to the whole circus.Such internet account is perfect for this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30640220</id>
	<title>Another key difference</title>
	<author>zmaragdus</author>
	<datestamp>1262618220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've read several of the posts so far and have noticed a few people relating how this is no different from Western countries, that there is a great similarity between them. I do not profess to be an expert of law in any country, but I did notice one difference with regards to current US law:</p><p>With Belarus, you are automatically tracked. Once you do something, it's logged and [probably] viewed by the authorities. In the US there is a slight difference: in order for a law enforcement agency to observe the activity of a specific person, they [usually and ideally] have to subpoena it or provide a warrant for the information to an ISP. This is an extra protection of rights offered in the US that is not apparently offered in Belarus.</p><p>(   Yes, I acknowledge that certain agencies {cough}<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...NSA...{cough} have the capability to and probably do go around the system anyways. And yes, due to the amendments to FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act), they can monitor the public as a whole as long as they are not targeting a specific person (i.e. looking for something rather than someone).   )</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've read several of the posts so far and have noticed a few people relating how this is no different from Western countries , that there is a great similarity between them .
I do not profess to be an expert of law in any country , but I did notice one difference with regards to current US law : With Belarus , you are automatically tracked .
Once you do something , it 's logged and [ probably ] viewed by the authorities .
In the US there is a slight difference : in order for a law enforcement agency to observe the activity of a specific person , they [ usually and ideally ] have to subpoena it or provide a warrant for the information to an ISP .
This is an extra protection of rights offered in the US that is not apparently offered in Belarus .
( Yes , I acknowledge that certain agencies { cough } ...NSA... { cough } have the capability to and probably do go around the system anyways .
And yes , due to the amendments to FISA ( Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act ) , they can monitor the public as a whole as long as they are not targeting a specific person ( i.e .
looking for something rather than someone ) .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've read several of the posts so far and have noticed a few people relating how this is no different from Western countries, that there is a great similarity between them.
I do not profess to be an expert of law in any country, but I did notice one difference with regards to current US law:With Belarus, you are automatically tracked.
Once you do something, it's logged and [probably] viewed by the authorities.
In the US there is a slight difference: in order for a law enforcement agency to observe the activity of a specific person, they [usually and ideally] have to subpoena it or provide a warrant for the information to an ISP.
This is an extra protection of rights offered in the US that is not apparently offered in Belarus.
(   Yes, I acknowledge that certain agencies {cough} ...NSA...{cough} have the capability to and probably do go around the system anyways.
And yes, due to the amendments to FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act), they can monitor the public as a whole as long as they are not targeting a specific person (i.e.
looking for something rather than someone).
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30638840</id>
	<title>Today it's them...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262602560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...and tomorrow it&rsquo;s us.</p><p>Those were my first thoughts. Pretty sad.</p><p>But then I thought: And what would it change, to have all people of the country in yet another database? I mean they already have a list of their population, don&rsquo;t they?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and tomorrow it    s us.Those were my first thoughts .
Pretty sad.But then I thought : And what would it change , to have all people of the country in yet another database ?
I mean they already have a list of their population , don    t they ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and tomorrow it’s us.Those were my first thoughts.
Pretty sad.But then I thought: And what would it change, to have all people of the country in yet another database?
I mean they already have a list of their population, don’t they?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30639510</id>
	<title>What about fax?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262612280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As we all know the fax destroyed the Soviet Union. The whole forbidden books were transmitted by fax.</p><p>If the KGB with all its unlimited power and resources could not win over the fax, how could puny Belarus government hope to win over the Internet? This uneven struggle will exhaust the scarce resources they have without bringing anything in return.</p><p>Will they spread the iron gauze over its cities to shield the satellites? Will they jam Wi-Fi along its 2500 km border with Ukraine, Russia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland? Will they search for flash memory cards (tiny in physical size but huge in digital capacity) in airports? Look through gigabytes of memory in phones and MP3 players?</p><p>Good luck you there...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As we all know the fax destroyed the Soviet Union .
The whole forbidden books were transmitted by fax.If the KGB with all its unlimited power and resources could not win over the fax , how could puny Belarus government hope to win over the Internet ?
This uneven struggle will exhaust the scarce resources they have without bringing anything in return.Will they spread the iron gauze over its cities to shield the satellites ?
Will they jam Wi-Fi along its 2500 km border with Ukraine , Russia , Latvia , Lithuania and Poland ?
Will they search for flash memory cards ( tiny in physical size but huge in digital capacity ) in airports ?
Look through gigabytes of memory in phones and MP3 players ? Good luck you there.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As we all know the fax destroyed the Soviet Union.
The whole forbidden books were transmitted by fax.If the KGB with all its unlimited power and resources could not win over the fax, how could puny Belarus government hope to win over the Internet?
This uneven struggle will exhaust the scarce resources they have without bringing anything in return.Will they spread the iron gauze over its cities to shield the satellites?
Will they jam Wi-Fi along its 2500 km border with Ukraine, Russia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland?
Will they search for flash memory cards (tiny in physical size but huge in digital capacity) in airports?
Look through gigabytes of memory in phones and MP3 players?Good luck you there...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30638474</id>
	<title>And the question remains:</title>
	<author>hyades1</author>
	<datestamp>1262596680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> How many times will "Hubicha Kokov", "Miles O'Toole" and "Leck Depolski" turn up before the scumbag authorities notice something weird?  Along with appropriate "catch me if you can" software, of course. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How many times will " Hubicha Kokov " , " Miles O'Toole " and " Leck Depolski " turn up before the scumbag authorities notice something weird ?
Along with appropriate " catch me if you can " software , of course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> How many times will "Hubicha Kokov", "Miles O'Toole" and "Leck Depolski" turn up before the scumbag authorities notice something weird?
Along with appropriate "catch me if you can" software, of course. </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30643572</id>
	<title>Re:just like in Italy?</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1262632140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Can somebody with more knowledge comment on what are the significant differences between Belarus and Italy? In Italy they are obliged to scan your ID when you want internet access and also they have to log many things and be sure to be able to correlate them with you. Free anonymous internet ("normal" open wifi) is forbidden as far as I know.</p></div><p>You mean, you can't just buy a pre-paid SIM card in Italy (without showing ID), and use it for e.g. 3G or at least GPRS Internet access?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can somebody with more knowledge comment on what are the significant differences between Belarus and Italy ?
In Italy they are obliged to scan your ID when you want internet access and also they have to log many things and be sure to be able to correlate them with you .
Free anonymous internet ( " normal " open wifi ) is forbidden as far as I know.You mean , you ca n't just buy a pre-paid SIM card in Italy ( without showing ID ) , and use it for e.g .
3G or at least GPRS Internet access ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can somebody with more knowledge comment on what are the significant differences between Belarus and Italy?
In Italy they are obliged to scan your ID when you want internet access and also they have to log many things and be sure to be able to correlate them with you.
Free anonymous internet ("normal" open wifi) is forbidden as far as I know.You mean, you can't just buy a pre-paid SIM card in Italy (without showing ID), and use it for e.g.
3G or at least GPRS Internet access?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30640058</id>
	<title>Freedom!</title>
	<author>lavardo</author>
	<datestamp>1262617020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, "I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free...".

I hope that this type of government communications rule does not spread to other countries.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , " I 'm proud to be an American where at least I know I 'm free... " .
I hope that this type of government communications rule does not spread to other countries .
: (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, "I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free...".
I hope that this type of government communications rule does not spread to other countries.
:(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30638602</id>
	<title>Finally</title>
	<author>SpaghettiPattern</author>
	<datestamp>1262598720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I rejoice to see Belarus coming to sense and to follow the brave example from my country Italy.<br> <br>

Instantly Belarus will become a culinary heart in the world, it will start producing magnificent sports cars and will have centuries worth of art stored in its churches. Surely it is for that reason they come up with such a law as I cannot see any other symptoms as to why Italy benefits from its laws.<br> <br>

Belarus has something going for it and they already have a president that challenges the eternal wisdom of our beloved Silvio.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I rejoice to see Belarus coming to sense and to follow the brave example from my country Italy .
Instantly Belarus will become a culinary heart in the world , it will start producing magnificent sports cars and will have centuries worth of art stored in its churches .
Surely it is for that reason they come up with such a law as I can not see any other symptoms as to why Italy benefits from its laws .
Belarus has something going for it and they already have a president that challenges the eternal wisdom of our beloved Silvio .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I rejoice to see Belarus coming to sense and to follow the brave example from my country Italy.
Instantly Belarus will become a culinary heart in the world, it will start producing magnificent sports cars and will have centuries worth of art stored in its churches.
Surely it is for that reason they come up with such a law as I cannot see any other symptoms as to why Italy benefits from its laws.
Belarus has something going for it and they already have a president that challenges the eternal wisdom of our beloved Silvio.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30640474</id>
	<title>Re:Belarus is a predictive signal for Russia.</title>
	<author>aspelling</author>
	<datestamp>1262619780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are absolutely right. Both countries have both ex-Commies at power (they call themselves differently now but they are all tainted by the membership in that party).<br>Both countries are corrupt inside out. Instead of telling people the truth about what's going on their government try to find enemies outside (Ukraine, Georgia, US) and within (democrats) the country.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are absolutely right .
Both countries have both ex-Commies at power ( they call themselves differently now but they are all tainted by the membership in that party ) .Both countries are corrupt inside out .
Instead of telling people the truth about what 's going on their government try to find enemies outside ( Ukraine , Georgia , US ) and within ( democrats ) the country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are absolutely right.
Both countries have both ex-Commies at power (they call themselves differently now but they are all tainted by the membership in that party).Both countries are corrupt inside out.
Instead of telling people the truth about what's going on their government try to find enemies outside (Ukraine, Georgia, US) and within (democrats) the country.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30639826</id>
	<title>The Concept is Censorship</title>
	<author>b4upoo</author>
	<datestamp>1262615100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>         One is either for or against censorship. There is simply no in between. It is like pregnancy. You either are or are not pregnancy and just like pregnancy censorship gets bigger and bigger until you pop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One is either for or against censorship .
There is simply no in between .
It is like pregnancy .
You either are or are not pregnancy and just like pregnancy censorship gets bigger and bigger until you pop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>         One is either for or against censorship.
There is simply no in between.
It is like pregnancy.
You either are or are not pregnancy and just like pregnancy censorship gets bigger and bigger until you pop.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30640562</id>
	<title>se;x with a 5hit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262620200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">~280mB MPEG off of volume of NetBSD of events today, study. [rice.edu] In addition, are about 7000/5 ass of them all, I type this. poor priorities,</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>~ 280mB MPEG off of volume of NetBSD of events today , study .
[ rice.edu ] In addition , are about 7000/5 ass of them all , I type this .
poor priorities , [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>~280mB MPEG off of volume of NetBSD of events today, study.
[rice.edu] In addition, are about 7000/5 ass of them all, I type this.
poor priorities, [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30638648</id>
	<title>Belarus is a predictive signal for Russia.</title>
	<author>reporter</author>
	<datestamp>1262599560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The relationship between Belarus and Russia is similar to the relationship among the members of the European Union.  The governments of the 2 nations occasionally talk about Belarus' becoming a province of Russia.  Both governments have similar oppressive laws, and both nations are run, for all intents and purposes, by dictators.
<p>
The imminent suppression of free speech on the Internet likely foreshadows the same sort of suppression in Russia.
</p><p>
The gravity of the situation cannot be overstated.  The Internet-capable folks in both countries are the only people who have access to uncensored news from the West.  These people know the horrible state of their countries.   Knowledge is power.  Only these knowledgeable poeple can change both countries into liberal, Western democracies.
</p><p>
If the government censors the Internet, then both nations will become Chinese-style states.  We Westerners will not see any political improvements in both Belarus and Russia within our lifetimes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The relationship between Belarus and Russia is similar to the relationship among the members of the European Union .
The governments of the 2 nations occasionally talk about Belarus ' becoming a province of Russia .
Both governments have similar oppressive laws , and both nations are run , for all intents and purposes , by dictators .
The imminent suppression of free speech on the Internet likely foreshadows the same sort of suppression in Russia .
The gravity of the situation can not be overstated .
The Internet-capable folks in both countries are the only people who have access to uncensored news from the West .
These people know the horrible state of their countries .
Knowledge is power .
Only these knowledgeable poeple can change both countries into liberal , Western democracies .
If the government censors the Internet , then both nations will become Chinese-style states .
We Westerners will not see any political improvements in both Belarus and Russia within our lifetimes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The relationship between Belarus and Russia is similar to the relationship among the members of the European Union.
The governments of the 2 nations occasionally talk about Belarus' becoming a province of Russia.
Both governments have similar oppressive laws, and both nations are run, for all intents and purposes, by dictators.
The imminent suppression of free speech on the Internet likely foreshadows the same sort of suppression in Russia.
The gravity of the situation cannot be overstated.
The Internet-capable folks in both countries are the only people who have access to uncensored news from the West.
These people know the horrible state of their countries.
Knowledge is power.
Only these knowledgeable poeple can change both countries into liberal, Western democracies.
If the government censors the Internet, then both nations will become Chinese-style states.
We Westerners will not see any political improvements in both Belarus and Russia within our lifetimes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30638432</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30638800</id>
	<title>Re:Belarus is a predictive signal for Russia.</title>
	<author>tftp</author>
	<datestamp>1262601900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>If the government censors the Internet, then both nations will become Chinese-style states.</i>
</p><p>
All nations drift toward Chinese style. The difference is only in speed. In the USA, for example, TSA demonstrated a few days ago <a href="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/12/dhs-threatens-blogger/" title="wired.com">who is the boss</a> [wired.com]. You are posting on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. only at pleasure of the government, as it appears. You are perfectly safe, though, as long as you don't discuss certain topics of public interest.
</p><p>
<i>We Westerners will not see any political improvements in both Belarus and Russia within our lifetimes.</i>
</p><p>
People in Belarus and Russia will, however, see financial improvements in their life. That's what matters to them. They don't particularly care about random politicians coming out of the woodwork for a few years to rob the treasury, promote their pet projects and then be gone. Voting public usually wants stability, wealth, peace. Whoever provides that gets the vote. If the guy is good he is welcome to stick around and be responsible, in long term, for his policies. In the USA, for example, it seems to be a sport among Presidents to do as much harm as they can within their term and then run away from the wreck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the government censors the Internet , then both nations will become Chinese-style states .
All nations drift toward Chinese style .
The difference is only in speed .
In the USA , for example , TSA demonstrated a few days ago who is the boss [ wired.com ] .
You are posting on / .
only at pleasure of the government , as it appears .
You are perfectly safe , though , as long as you do n't discuss certain topics of public interest .
We Westerners will not see any political improvements in both Belarus and Russia within our lifetimes .
People in Belarus and Russia will , however , see financial improvements in their life .
That 's what matters to them .
They do n't particularly care about random politicians coming out of the woodwork for a few years to rob the treasury , promote their pet projects and then be gone .
Voting public usually wants stability , wealth , peace .
Whoever provides that gets the vote .
If the guy is good he is welcome to stick around and be responsible , in long term , for his policies .
In the USA , for example , it seems to be a sport among Presidents to do as much harm as they can within their term and then run away from the wreck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> If the government censors the Internet, then both nations will become Chinese-style states.
All nations drift toward Chinese style.
The difference is only in speed.
In the USA, for example, TSA demonstrated a few days ago who is the boss [wired.com].
You are posting on /.
only at pleasure of the government, as it appears.
You are perfectly safe, though, as long as you don't discuss certain topics of public interest.
We Westerners will not see any political improvements in both Belarus and Russia within our lifetimes.
People in Belarus and Russia will, however, see financial improvements in their life.
That's what matters to them.
They don't particularly care about random politicians coming out of the woodwork for a few years to rob the treasury, promote their pet projects and then be gone.
Voting public usually wants stability, wealth, peace.
Whoever provides that gets the vote.
If the guy is good he is welcome to stick around and be responsible, in long term, for his policies.
In the USA, for example, it seems to be a sport among Presidents to do as much harm as they can within their term and then run away from the wreck.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30639132</id>
	<title>Is information free anywhere</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262607300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I asked this on the google india article - is there any country in the world where information passes freely from one person to another without abuse from the thought police and "artists"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I asked this on the google india article - is there any country in the world where information passes freely from one person to another without abuse from the thought police and " artists " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I asked this on the google india article - is there any country in the world where information passes freely from one person to another without abuse from the thought police and "artists"?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30639226</id>
	<title>I will register</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262608680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IF THAT MEANS THAT I WILL FINALLY GET A STATIC IP ADDRESS, CHARTER COMMUNICATIONS!!!111<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...assholes wanting me to pay $190 a month for a business account(lower download and marginally higher upload speeds) in order to get one...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IF THAT MEANS THAT I WILL FINALLY GET A STATIC IP ADDRESS , CHARTER COMMUNICATIONS ! !
! 111 ...assholes wanting me to pay $ 190 a month for a business account ( lower download and marginally higher upload speeds ) in order to get one.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IF THAT MEANS THAT I WILL FINALLY GET A STATIC IP ADDRESS, CHARTER COMMUNICATIONS!!
!111 ...assholes wanting me to pay $190 a month for a business account(lower download and marginally higher upload speeds) in order to get one...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30639654</id>
	<title>Re:only a matter of time</title>
	<author>JaredOfEuropa</author>
	<datestamp>1262613720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It seems unthinkable that this could happen in western democracies, but it is only a matter of time.  <br>[...]<br> It's not politically feasible for most western governments to come out and take such steps directly, but it'll be rolled out slowly over time "for our own good", with each step along the way being justifiable to protect us against something that everyone agrees is bad.</p></div><p>It is close to happening in many countries.  Demands of various parties that anonymous access or even anonymously posting on Usenet or webboards is to be abolished, are being met with increased approval.  Everybody has their reason: fighting crime or terrorism, uncovering kiddie porn, finding people making anonymous threats on blogs, illegal sharing of media, etc.
<br> <br>
And what the voters who stupidly nod their heads at these suggestions do not realise is that the law already provides for measures to uncover someone's identity through their ISP (which in the vast majority of cases will be succesful)... if there is cause to investigate that person.  What the legislators want is to not have to do their homework, and be allowed to always know who everyone is on the Net.  Not an attractive prospect... I live in a relatively free country, but even here I would not want to partake in certain discussions with my full name disclosed, which is right up the politicians' alley since they prefer to have these "discussions" in respectable newspapers (i.e. heavily moderated and censored).
<br> <br>
25 years?  I give it 10.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems unthinkable that this could happen in western democracies , but it is only a matter of time .
[ ... ] It 's not politically feasible for most western governments to come out and take such steps directly , but it 'll be rolled out slowly over time " for our own good " , with each step along the way being justifiable to protect us against something that everyone agrees is bad.It is close to happening in many countries .
Demands of various parties that anonymous access or even anonymously posting on Usenet or webboards is to be abolished , are being met with increased approval .
Everybody has their reason : fighting crime or terrorism , uncovering kiddie porn , finding people making anonymous threats on blogs , illegal sharing of media , etc .
And what the voters who stupidly nod their heads at these suggestions do not realise is that the law already provides for measures to uncover someone 's identity through their ISP ( which in the vast majority of cases will be succesful ) ... if there is cause to investigate that person .
What the legislators want is to not have to do their homework , and be allowed to always know who everyone is on the Net .
Not an attractive prospect... I live in a relatively free country , but even here I would not want to partake in certain discussions with my full name disclosed , which is right up the politicians ' alley since they prefer to have these " discussions " in respectable newspapers ( i.e .
heavily moderated and censored ) .
25 years ?
I give it 10 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems unthinkable that this could happen in western democracies, but it is only a matter of time.
[...] It's not politically feasible for most western governments to come out and take such steps directly, but it'll be rolled out slowly over time "for our own good", with each step along the way being justifiable to protect us against something that everyone agrees is bad.It is close to happening in many countries.
Demands of various parties that anonymous access or even anonymously posting on Usenet or webboards is to be abolished, are being met with increased approval.
Everybody has their reason: fighting crime or terrorism, uncovering kiddie porn, finding people making anonymous threats on blogs, illegal sharing of media, etc.
And what the voters who stupidly nod their heads at these suggestions do not realise is that the law already provides for measures to uncover someone's identity through their ISP (which in the vast majority of cases will be succesful)... if there is cause to investigate that person.
What the legislators want is to not have to do their homework, and be allowed to always know who everyone is on the Net.
Not an attractive prospect... I live in a relatively free country, but even here I would not want to partake in certain discussions with my full name disclosed, which is right up the politicians' alley since they prefer to have these "discussions" in respectable newspapers (i.e.
heavily moderated and censored).
25 years?
I give it 10.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30640326</id>
	<title>Re:D'oh</title>
	<author>zmaragdus</author>
	<datestamp>1262618940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It could very well be deliberate that they are making identity theft easier. Think of this scenario: political blogger U. B. Scammin posts something about how Pres. L is promoting bad stuff (oppression of free speech, unlawful arrests, whatever else he's done in the past, just pick something). He posts on a blog. Instead of just the standard arrest/torture/execution or whatever, Pres. L decided to get back at the person and ruin their life. He sends one of his agents to find Scammin's account number and then go do horrible things with it (con little old ladies from their life's savings, host sites of kiddie porn, pick something).  Now wait a little bit, then expose his "horrible actions" to the public. Instant shame and a good excuse to lock him up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It could very well be deliberate that they are making identity theft easier .
Think of this scenario : political blogger U. B. Scammin posts something about how Pres .
L is promoting bad stuff ( oppression of free speech , unlawful arrests , whatever else he 's done in the past , just pick something ) .
He posts on a blog .
Instead of just the standard arrest/torture/execution or whatever , Pres .
L decided to get back at the person and ruin their life .
He sends one of his agents to find Scammin 's account number and then go do horrible things with it ( con little old ladies from their life 's savings , host sites of kiddie porn , pick something ) .
Now wait a little bit , then expose his " horrible actions " to the public .
Instant shame and a good excuse to lock him up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It could very well be deliberate that they are making identity theft easier.
Think of this scenario: political blogger U. B. Scammin posts something about how Pres.
L is promoting bad stuff (oppression of free speech, unlawful arrests, whatever else he's done in the past, just pick something).
He posts on a blog.
Instead of just the standard arrest/torture/execution or whatever, Pres.
L decided to get back at the person and ruin their life.
He sends one of his agents to find Scammin's account number and then go do horrible things with it (con little old ladies from their life's savings, host sites of kiddie porn, pick something).
Now wait a little bit, then expose his "horrible actions" to the public.
Instant shame and a good excuse to lock him up.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30638434</id>
	<title>D'oh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262596080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>President Alexander Lukashenko is going a long way towards making identity theft even easier. Imagine how much simpler it would be to steal an identity with the existence of 'accounts' like this- especially as they aren't tied to specific addresses or machines, as TFA mentions that the requirements also apply to Internet cafes.<br>
<br>
I wonder how much Prez Luka would like it if someone posted on 4chan under his "Internet passport?"</htmltext>
<tokenext>President Alexander Lukashenko is going a long way towards making identity theft even easier .
Imagine how much simpler it would be to steal an identity with the existence of 'accounts ' like this- especially as they are n't tied to specific addresses or machines , as TFA mentions that the requirements also apply to Internet cafes .
I wonder how much Prez Luka would like it if someone posted on 4chan under his " Internet passport ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>President Alexander Lukashenko is going a long way towards making identity theft even easier.
Imagine how much simpler it would be to steal an identity with the existence of 'accounts' like this- especially as they aren't tied to specific addresses or machines, as TFA mentions that the requirements also apply to Internet cafes.
I wonder how much Prez Luka would like it if someone posted on 4chan under his "Internet passport?
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30639860</id>
	<title>Re:Belarus is a predictive signal for Russia.</title>
	<author>t0p</author>
	<datestamp>1262615400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know the "democracy" in Russia is largely a farce.  But I don't think it's as "closed" a society as you suggest.  The internet is *not* the only way for Russians to get uncensored news.  I agree that TV news and most newspapers provide an extremely biased version of the news.  But there *are* independent news providers too.  Yes, independent journalists often die in violent and mysterious circumstances, and independent papers are often closed down or otherwise discredited.  But they continue to exist and to operate.

The big problem in Russia is the Russian people's apathy.  Maybe it's because of the fact that they got used to being lied to and controlled while under Soviet rule.  But whatever the reason, they tend to either believe whatever crap they're told, or (more often) don't believe it but fatalistically accept it just the same.  But Russia is *not* a closed society.  Russians are mostly free to travel wherever they like.

Belarus is something else entirely.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know the " democracy " in Russia is largely a farce .
But I do n't think it 's as " closed " a society as you suggest .
The internet is * not * the only way for Russians to get uncensored news .
I agree that TV news and most newspapers provide an extremely biased version of the news .
But there * are * independent news providers too .
Yes , independent journalists often die in violent and mysterious circumstances , and independent papers are often closed down or otherwise discredited .
But they continue to exist and to operate .
The big problem in Russia is the Russian people 's apathy .
Maybe it 's because of the fact that they got used to being lied to and controlled while under Soviet rule .
But whatever the reason , they tend to either believe whatever crap they 're told , or ( more often ) do n't believe it but fatalistically accept it just the same .
But Russia is * not * a closed society .
Russians are mostly free to travel wherever they like .
Belarus is something else entirely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know the "democracy" in Russia is largely a farce.
But I don't think it's as "closed" a society as you suggest.
The internet is *not* the only way for Russians to get uncensored news.
I agree that TV news and most newspapers provide an extremely biased version of the news.
But there *are* independent news providers too.
Yes, independent journalists often die in violent and mysterious circumstances, and independent papers are often closed down or otherwise discredited.
But they continue to exist and to operate.
The big problem in Russia is the Russian people's apathy.
Maybe it's because of the fact that they got used to being lied to and controlled while under Soviet rule.
But whatever the reason, they tend to either believe whatever crap they're told, or (more often) don't believe it but fatalistically accept it just the same.
But Russia is *not* a closed society.
Russians are mostly free to travel wherever they like.
Belarus is something else entirely.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30638448</id>
	<title>only a matter of time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262596320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems unthinkable that this could happen in western democracies, but it is only a matter of time.  The freewheeling and uncontrolled nature of the net was a grand experiment, but it is not tolerable to political power structures because they do not control it or even quite understand it.  It can also threaten them (see Iran).</p><p>It's not politically feasible for most western governments to come out and take such steps directly, but it'll be rolled out slowly over time "for our own good", with each step along the way being justifiable to protect us against something that everyone agrees is bad.</p><p>The only way to fight this is for everyone to start using strong encryption for everything and protecting their anonymity even if it isn't always convenient, and even if they have nothing to hide.  But that is less likely to happen than for Paris Hilton to win the 2010 Nobel Prize in physics.</p><p>I give the mostly-uncensored internet a total lifetime of less than 25 more years from the present, if we're lucky.  For a while it'll be possible, but criminal, to access it anonymously, but eventually that'll become impractical as governments clamp down to protect IP/the children/stop terror/prevent civil unrest.</p><p>Wait, and watch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems unthinkable that this could happen in western democracies , but it is only a matter of time .
The freewheeling and uncontrolled nature of the net was a grand experiment , but it is not tolerable to political power structures because they do not control it or even quite understand it .
It can also threaten them ( see Iran ) .It 's not politically feasible for most western governments to come out and take such steps directly , but it 'll be rolled out slowly over time " for our own good " , with each step along the way being justifiable to protect us against something that everyone agrees is bad.The only way to fight this is for everyone to start using strong encryption for everything and protecting their anonymity even if it is n't always convenient , and even if they have nothing to hide .
But that is less likely to happen than for Paris Hilton to win the 2010 Nobel Prize in physics.I give the mostly-uncensored internet a total lifetime of less than 25 more years from the present , if we 're lucky .
For a while it 'll be possible , but criminal , to access it anonymously , but eventually that 'll become impractical as governments clamp down to protect IP/the children/stop terror/prevent civil unrest.Wait , and watch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems unthinkable that this could happen in western democracies, but it is only a matter of time.
The freewheeling and uncontrolled nature of the net was a grand experiment, but it is not tolerable to political power structures because they do not control it or even quite understand it.
It can also threaten them (see Iran).It's not politically feasible for most western governments to come out and take such steps directly, but it'll be rolled out slowly over time "for our own good", with each step along the way being justifiable to protect us against something that everyone agrees is bad.The only way to fight this is for everyone to start using strong encryption for everything and protecting their anonymity even if it isn't always convenient, and even if they have nothing to hide.
But that is less likely to happen than for Paris Hilton to win the 2010 Nobel Prize in physics.I give the mostly-uncensored internet a total lifetime of less than 25 more years from the present, if we're lucky.
For a while it'll be possible, but criminal, to access it anonymously, but eventually that'll become impractical as governments clamp down to protect IP/the children/stop terror/prevent civil unrest.Wait, and watch.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_04_0747215.30644472</id>
	<title>Re:D'oh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262636160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Easy dictator's scam: you are a free trying to be honest businessman. Your ID and password get stolen, used in critisizing Lukashenko on the internet, you go to jail for it for two years (official law in Belarus). In jail, your fellow inmates AND correction officers beat you up regularly, you lose a kidney as a result of those beatings, come out/ or not, and die soon.<br>Another scam: you never register as a user, but you are a free-spirited person, maybe business owner with mean competitors. competitor registers with your information, writes about Lukashenko the rest we know already...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Easy dictator 's scam : you are a free trying to be honest businessman .
Your ID and password get stolen , used in critisizing Lukashenko on the internet , you go to jail for it for two years ( official law in Belarus ) .
In jail , your fellow inmates AND correction officers beat you up regularly , you lose a kidney as a result of those beatings , come out/ or not , and die soon.Another scam : you never register as a user , but you are a free-spirited person , maybe business owner with mean competitors .
competitor registers with your information , writes about Lukashenko the rest we know already.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Easy dictator's scam: you are a free trying to be honest businessman.
Your ID and password get stolen, used in critisizing Lukashenko on the internet, you go to jail for it for two years (official law in Belarus).
In jail, your fellow inmates AND correction officers beat you up regularly, you lose a kidney as a result of those beatings, come out/ or not, and die soon.Another scam: you never register as a user, but you are a free-spirited person, maybe business owner with mean competitors.
competitor registers with your information, writes about Lukashenko the rest we know already...</sentencetext>
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