<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_03_004246</id>
	<title>New Zealand Cyber Spies Win New Powers</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1262520720000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>caeos writes <i>"New cyber-monitoring measures have been quietly introduced in New Zealand giving police and Security Intelligence Service officers the <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3203448/NZs-cyber-spies-win-new-powers">power to monitor all aspects of someone's online life</a>. The measures are the largest expansion of police and SIS surveillance capabilities for decades, and mean that all mobile calls and texts, email, internet surfing and online shopping, chatting and social networking can be monitored anywhere in New Zealand. The New Zealand Security Intelligence Service (NZSIS or SIS) is an intelligence agency of the New Zealand government."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>caeos writes " New cyber-monitoring measures have been quietly introduced in New Zealand giving police and Security Intelligence Service officers the power to monitor all aspects of someone 's online life .
The measures are the largest expansion of police and SIS surveillance capabilities for decades , and mean that all mobile calls and texts , email , internet surfing and online shopping , chatting and social networking can be monitored anywhere in New Zealand .
The New Zealand Security Intelligence Service ( NZSIS or SIS ) is an intelligence agency of the New Zealand government .
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<sentencetext>caeos writes "New cyber-monitoring measures have been quietly introduced in New Zealand giving police and Security Intelligence Service officers the power to monitor all aspects of someone's online life.
The measures are the largest expansion of police and SIS surveillance capabilities for decades, and mean that all mobile calls and texts, email, internet surfing and online shopping, chatting and social networking can be monitored anywhere in New Zealand.
The New Zealand Security Intelligence Service (NZSIS or SIS) is an intelligence agency of the New Zealand government.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30627904</id>
	<title>Don't worry!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262439120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obama will change everything!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obama will change everything !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obama will change everything!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30627984</id>
	<title>At least they don't have secret police</title>
	<author>mc6809e</author>
	<datestamp>1262439720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGY3MTI4YTRjZmYwMGU1ZjZhOGJmNmQ0NmJiZDNmMDY=" title="nationalreview.com">Why Does Interpol Need Immunity from American Law?</a> [nationalreview.com]</p><p><a href="http://www.patriotroom.com/article/obama-exempts-interpol-from-search-and-seizure-on-us-lands" title="patriotroom.com">Obama exempts INTERPOL from search and seizure on US lands</a> [patriotroom.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why Does Interpol Need Immunity from American Law ?
[ nationalreview.com ] Obama exempts INTERPOL from search and seizure on US lands [ patriotroom.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why Does Interpol Need Immunity from American Law?
[nationalreview.com]Obama exempts INTERPOL from search and seizure on US lands [patriotroom.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30633858</id>
	<title>NZ swung right already</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262510400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Democrats lost in NZ sometime ago - this was to be  expected from the right. It's almost a personality trait of the right to do stuff like this</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Democrats lost in NZ sometime ago - this was to be expected from the right .
It 's almost a personality trait of the right to do stuff like this</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Democrats lost in NZ sometime ago - this was to be  expected from the right.
It's almost a personality trait of the right to do stuff like this</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30630928</id>
	<title>Re:Modern Laws for a Modern Society</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262521980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're assuming that the people in charge are in it for our good.  There was a slashdot article a while ago, about a criminal psychologist who gave a lecture to law enforcement authorities on psychopathic (or sociopathic?  I forget which) behaviour, and how it was rewarded with money and power in western civilisation.  He made a damned good argument that we are being ruled by people who don't give a fuck about us.</p><p>(I just wish I could find the article.  Anyone got a link?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're assuming that the people in charge are in it for our good .
There was a slashdot article a while ago , about a criminal psychologist who gave a lecture to law enforcement authorities on psychopathic ( or sociopathic ?
I forget which ) behaviour , and how it was rewarded with money and power in western civilisation .
He made a damned good argument that we are being ruled by people who do n't give a fuck about us .
( I just wish I could find the article .
Anyone got a link ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're assuming that the people in charge are in it for our good.
There was a slashdot article a while ago, about a criminal psychologist who gave a lecture to law enforcement authorities on psychopathic (or sociopathic?
I forget which) behaviour, and how it was rewarded with money and power in western civilisation.
He made a damned good argument that we are being ruled by people who don't give a fuck about us.
(I just wish I could find the article.
Anyone got a link?
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30627816</id>
	<title>Anything...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262438400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Kiwis will do anything to protect the All Blacks!</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Kiwis will do anything to protect the All Blacks !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Kiwis will do anything to protect the All Blacks!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30628582</id>
	<title>Modern Laws for a Modern Society</title>
	<author>pspahn</author>
	<datestamp>1262446020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm perfectly aware of the argument about privacy and why it's a good thing. I'm not sure others are aware of why privacy is a bad thing.<br> <br>
This kind of technology and power in the hands of a certain historical figure from 1930's Europe is indeed something that would worry many. In this day and age, conspiracy theorists aside, a majority of law abiding citizens should have no problem with this technology, provided they are educated and informed on its use.<br> <br>
This is no different than the conversation I had with my girlfriend's brother the other night. He recently got off probation and we were having the talk about cops and stuff while driving to a concert. He, of course, hates cops, and if he's doing things that are illegal, he should. If you aren't breaking the law, fear of law enforcement borders on irrational. And instead of a response coming back to me mentioning things like Rodney King, cli-Che Guevara, or some martyr of an oppressive militant dictatorship, why not spend some time reading about the countless times when some honest, moral, and ethical person's life was dramatically improved because of modernized laws in the hands of an honest, moral, and ethical society.<br> <br>
You see, there are idealists on the other side of the argument as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm perfectly aware of the argument about privacy and why it 's a good thing .
I 'm not sure others are aware of why privacy is a bad thing .
This kind of technology and power in the hands of a certain historical figure from 1930 's Europe is indeed something that would worry many .
In this day and age , conspiracy theorists aside , a majority of law abiding citizens should have no problem with this technology , provided they are educated and informed on its use .
This is no different than the conversation I had with my girlfriend 's brother the other night .
He recently got off probation and we were having the talk about cops and stuff while driving to a concert .
He , of course , hates cops , and if he 's doing things that are illegal , he should .
If you are n't breaking the law , fear of law enforcement borders on irrational .
And instead of a response coming back to me mentioning things like Rodney King , cli-Che Guevara , or some martyr of an oppressive militant dictatorship , why not spend some time reading about the countless times when some honest , moral , and ethical person 's life was dramatically improved because of modernized laws in the hands of an honest , moral , and ethical society .
You see , there are idealists on the other side of the argument as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm perfectly aware of the argument about privacy and why it's a good thing.
I'm not sure others are aware of why privacy is a bad thing.
This kind of technology and power in the hands of a certain historical figure from 1930's Europe is indeed something that would worry many.
In this day and age, conspiracy theorists aside, a majority of law abiding citizens should have no problem with this technology, provided they are educated and informed on its use.
This is no different than the conversation I had with my girlfriend's brother the other night.
He recently got off probation and we were having the talk about cops and stuff while driving to a concert.
He, of course, hates cops, and if he's doing things that are illegal, he should.
If you aren't breaking the law, fear of law enforcement borders on irrational.
And instead of a response coming back to me mentioning things like Rodney King, cli-Che Guevara, or some martyr of an oppressive militant dictatorship, why not spend some time reading about the countless times when some honest, moral, and ethical person's life was dramatically improved because of modernized laws in the hands of an honest, moral, and ethical society.
You see, there are idealists on the other side of the argument as well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30627922</id>
	<title>Re:Good grief.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262439240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You may not realize it but your argument could also be used to justify massive surveillance programs outside of peoples' homes like that in London.  After all, what you do outside isn't terribly private either; people can see you all the time but that doesn't make the surveillance mundane and not worth mentioning...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You may not realize it but your argument could also be used to justify massive surveillance programs outside of peoples ' homes like that in London .
After all , what you do outside is n't terribly private either ; people can see you all the time but that does n't make the surveillance mundane and not worth mentioning.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may not realize it but your argument could also be used to justify massive surveillance programs outside of peoples' homes like that in London.
After all, what you do outside isn't terribly private either; people can see you all the time but that doesn't make the surveillance mundane and not worth mentioning...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30628010</id>
	<title>Re:And the burning eye on that tower ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262439900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I never thought about it until you mentioned other uses for unemployed floating evil eyes, but imagine how many moths and mosquitoes Sauron must have attracted every night.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I never thought about it until you mentioned other uses for unemployed floating evil eyes , but imagine how many moths and mosquitoes Sauron must have attracted every night .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never thought about it until you mentioned other uses for unemployed floating evil eyes, but imagine how many moths and mosquitoes Sauron must have attracted every night.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30628394</id>
	<title>Scary Stuff</title>
	<author>koan</author>
	<datestamp>1262443800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't VPN or TOR make this sort of surveillance moot?<br>One wonders if all the home wireless networks whose owners never put a password on, would be a good place for "terrorist" to surf from (LOL sorry it's funny)...well...funny until interpol kicks in your door because the terrorist next door used your unsecured wireless networks.</p><p>"but I didn't do it"</p><p>Guilty until you can buy your innocence.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't VPN or TOR make this sort of surveillance moot ? One wonders if all the home wireless networks whose owners never put a password on , would be a good place for " terrorist " to surf from ( LOL sorry it 's funny ) ...well...funny until interpol kicks in your door because the terrorist next door used your unsecured wireless networks .
" but I did n't do it " Guilty until you can buy your innocence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't VPN or TOR make this sort of surveillance moot?One wonders if all the home wireless networks whose owners never put a password on, would be a good place for "terrorist" to surf from (LOL sorry it's funny)...well...funny until interpol kicks in your door because the terrorist next door used your unsecured wireless networks.
"but I didn't do it"Guilty until you can buy your innocence.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30630570</id>
	<title>Re:Modern Laws for a Modern Society</title>
	<author>williamhb</author>
	<datestamp>1262515140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This kind of technology and power in the hands of a certain historical figure from 1930's Europe is indeed something that would worry many. In this day and age, conspiracy theorists aside, a majority of law abiding citizens should have no problem with this technology, provided they are educated and informed on its use.</p></div><p>Normally I would agree with you, except for another very modern -- looking for "indicators" of future illegality rather than convictions for past illegality.  This isn't just an issue of "terrorism", but anywhere that "safety" is a concern -- positive vetting for working with children, with the elderly, money, etc.  UK legislation will very soon require a very large proportion of the population to be vetted as to whether they are safe to work with children -- possibly right down to the plumber who fixes the school toilets.  It is not only convictions that would show up in that vetting, but also unproven accusations.  That's right, in the UK you are no longer considered fully "innocent until proven guilty", but must be above reproach to be allowed to work in many roles.  And some teachers' careers have been ended by false accusations.  The same may soon be true for working in any job involving money.  Now consider if those vetting organisations have access to your internet history, together with some statistics about the "surfing habits of registered offenders", and can see who has visited adult pornography sites (is that an indicator of risk to children?) or gambling websites (it that an indicator of potential fraud in the future?).  For me personally, you're right and I probably don't have anything to fear -- I happen to lead as socially conservative a life as you're likely to find (just not interested in gambling, etc).  But that doesn't mean I have no problem with surveillance inside the home -- the growing trend for the innocent being ruled out of society as "potentially guilty in the future" is something I do have a political problem with.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This kind of technology and power in the hands of a certain historical figure from 1930 's Europe is indeed something that would worry many .
In this day and age , conspiracy theorists aside , a majority of law abiding citizens should have no problem with this technology , provided they are educated and informed on its use.Normally I would agree with you , except for another very modern -- looking for " indicators " of future illegality rather than convictions for past illegality .
This is n't just an issue of " terrorism " , but anywhere that " safety " is a concern -- positive vetting for working with children , with the elderly , money , etc .
UK legislation will very soon require a very large proportion of the population to be vetted as to whether they are safe to work with children -- possibly right down to the plumber who fixes the school toilets .
It is not only convictions that would show up in that vetting , but also unproven accusations .
That 's right , in the UK you are no longer considered fully " innocent until proven guilty " , but must be above reproach to be allowed to work in many roles .
And some teachers ' careers have been ended by false accusations .
The same may soon be true for working in any job involving money .
Now consider if those vetting organisations have access to your internet history , together with some statistics about the " surfing habits of registered offenders " , and can see who has visited adult pornography sites ( is that an indicator of risk to children ?
) or gambling websites ( it that an indicator of potential fraud in the future ? ) .
For me personally , you 're right and I probably do n't have anything to fear -- I happen to lead as socially conservative a life as you 're likely to find ( just not interested in gambling , etc ) .
But that does n't mean I have no problem with surveillance inside the home -- the growing trend for the innocent being ruled out of society as " potentially guilty in the future " is something I do have a political problem with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This kind of technology and power in the hands of a certain historical figure from 1930's Europe is indeed something that would worry many.
In this day and age, conspiracy theorists aside, a majority of law abiding citizens should have no problem with this technology, provided they are educated and informed on its use.Normally I would agree with you, except for another very modern -- looking for "indicators" of future illegality rather than convictions for past illegality.
This isn't just an issue of "terrorism", but anywhere that "safety" is a concern -- positive vetting for working with children, with the elderly, money, etc.
UK legislation will very soon require a very large proportion of the population to be vetted as to whether they are safe to work with children -- possibly right down to the plumber who fixes the school toilets.
It is not only convictions that would show up in that vetting, but also unproven accusations.
That's right, in the UK you are no longer considered fully "innocent until proven guilty", but must be above reproach to be allowed to work in many roles.
And some teachers' careers have been ended by false accusations.
The same may soon be true for working in any job involving money.
Now consider if those vetting organisations have access to your internet history, together with some statistics about the "surfing habits of registered offenders", and can see who has visited adult pornography sites (is that an indicator of risk to children?
) or gambling websites (it that an indicator of potential fraud in the future?).
For me personally, you're right and I probably don't have anything to fear -- I happen to lead as socially conservative a life as you're likely to find (just not interested in gambling, etc).
But that doesn't mean I have no problem with surveillance inside the home -- the growing trend for the innocent being ruled out of society as "potentially guilty in the future" is something I do have a political problem with.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30637428</id>
	<title>Re:Same shit as always</title>
	<author>mrdtr</author>
	<datestamp>1262539080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I couldn't agree with you more.<br>I have to wonder about these people who justify invasion of privacy, would they be willing to have their entire life monitored, knowing nothing they do is private? Wouldn't they feel the slightest bit violated?</p><p>The lesson here is to never under any circumstance, use any technology when you need to have a private conversation or communication. We must all fully think about what we are going to say before we communicate. If you don't want anyone to know about it beside the person(s) who you intend, then you better not say it via telephone, letter, email or otherwise.</p><p>At least with this law, it still requires a warrant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I could n't agree with you more.I have to wonder about these people who justify invasion of privacy , would they be willing to have their entire life monitored , knowing nothing they do is private ?
Would n't they feel the slightest bit violated ? The lesson here is to never under any circumstance , use any technology when you need to have a private conversation or communication .
We must all fully think about what we are going to say before we communicate .
If you do n't want anyone to know about it beside the person ( s ) who you intend , then you better not say it via telephone , letter , email or otherwise.At least with this law , it still requires a warrant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I couldn't agree with you more.I have to wonder about these people who justify invasion of privacy, would they be willing to have their entire life monitored, knowing nothing they do is private?
Wouldn't they feel the slightest bit violated?The lesson here is to never under any circumstance, use any technology when you need to have a private conversation or communication.
We must all fully think about what we are going to say before we communicate.
If you don't want anyone to know about it beside the person(s) who you intend, then you better not say it via telephone, letter, email or otherwise.At least with this law, it still requires a warrant.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30630366</id>
	<title>Re:Good grief.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262511300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>New cyber-monitoring measures have been quietly introduced in New Zealand giving police and Security Intelligence Service officers the power to monitor all aspects of someone's online life.</p></div><p>Who in the world thinks their "online life" can be kept secret from <i>anyone</i>? Good grief, you don't need to be the New Zealand Secret Service to dig around online to see what people are up to. Once again, if you don't want people to know what your doing, don't put it online for everyone (including the spooks) to see. The Interwebs are by their nature <i>not private</i>. And really, no one really cares what's on your Facebook except your uptight potential employer.</p></div><p>A troll named FrostyPiss, how appropriate.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>New cyber-monitoring measures have been quietly introduced in New Zealand giving police and Security Intelligence Service officers the power to monitor all aspects of someone 's online life.Who in the world thinks their " online life " can be kept secret from anyone ?
Good grief , you do n't need to be the New Zealand Secret Service to dig around online to see what people are up to .
Once again , if you do n't want people to know what your doing , do n't put it online for everyone ( including the spooks ) to see .
The Interwebs are by their nature not private .
And really , no one really cares what 's on your Facebook except your uptight potential employer.A troll named FrostyPiss , how appropriate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New cyber-monitoring measures have been quietly introduced in New Zealand giving police and Security Intelligence Service officers the power to monitor all aspects of someone's online life.Who in the world thinks their "online life" can be kept secret from anyone?
Good grief, you don't need to be the New Zealand Secret Service to dig around online to see what people are up to.
Once again, if you don't want people to know what your doing, don't put it online for everyone (including the spooks) to see.
The Interwebs are by their nature not private.
And really, no one really cares what's on your Facebook except your uptight potential employer.A troll named FrostyPiss, how appropriate.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30628538</id>
	<title>Re:At least they don't have secret police</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262445660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/genetic-fallacy.html<br><br>Hope this helps, have a nice day.</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/genetic-fallacy.htmlHope this helps , have a nice day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/genetic-fallacy.htmlHope this helps, have a nice day.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30627834</id>
	<title>NZIS?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262438520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I mean, you can't make that shit up. Didn't they at least consider the acronym before deciding on a name?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , you ca n't make that shit up .
Did n't they at least consider the acronym before deciding on a name ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, you can't make that shit up.
Didn't they at least consider the acronym before deciding on a name?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30627892</id>
	<title>Re:Good grief.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262439060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Encrypted communication such as that between your self and your bank would be considered private.  Do you really believe that the government tapping someone's communications is no big deal?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Encrypted communication such as that between your self and your bank would be considered private .
Do you really believe that the government tapping someone 's communications is no big deal ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Encrypted communication such as that between your self and your bank would be considered private.
Do you really believe that the government tapping someone's communications is no big deal?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30633766</id>
	<title>Re:Modern Laws for a Modern Society</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262509440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you aren't breaking the law, fear of law enforcement borders on irrational.</p></div><p>Sure, if the law is clear and law enforcement is not corrupt. But that is not always the case, and for people who have been victims of abuse of the system, the fear would not be "irrational." Don't know what your girlfriend's brother's situation was, though.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are n't breaking the law , fear of law enforcement borders on irrational.Sure , if the law is clear and law enforcement is not corrupt .
But that is not always the case , and for people who have been victims of abuse of the system , the fear would not be " irrational .
" Do n't know what your girlfriend 's brother 's situation was , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you aren't breaking the law, fear of law enforcement borders on irrational.Sure, if the law is clear and law enforcement is not corrupt.
But that is not always the case, and for people who have been victims of abuse of the system, the fear would not be "irrational.
" Don't know what your girlfriend's brother's situation was, though.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30629830</id>
	<title>better start acquiring some extra man-power kiwis</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262460660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What a bunch of morons over there. They just oversaw the 1 major flaw in that scheme; how are you gonna deal with an excessive amount of information being sent over the interwebs? Certainly not using some fancy-schmancy heuristic algorithm; those are easily frustrated by some political incorrect keywords like CIA FBI DEA DoJ US AL Quada ACAB Fidel Raul Castro Mossad MI5, or using good ole PGP.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What a bunch of morons over there .
They just oversaw the 1 major flaw in that scheme ; how are you gon na deal with an excessive amount of information being sent over the interwebs ?
Certainly not using some fancy-schmancy heuristic algorithm ; those are easily frustrated by some political incorrect keywords like CIA FBI DEA DoJ US AL Quada ACAB Fidel Raul Castro Mossad MI5 , or using good ole PGP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a bunch of morons over there.
They just oversaw the 1 major flaw in that scheme; how are you gonna deal with an excessive amount of information being sent over the interwebs?
Certainly not using some fancy-schmancy heuristic algorithm; those are easily frustrated by some political incorrect keywords like CIA FBI DEA DoJ US AL Quada ACAB Fidel Raul Castro Mossad MI5, or using good ole PGP.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30628262</id>
	<title>Police versus Society</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262442240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is there *any* wonder that the citizenry and the Police are in utter disconnect in every single "Western Democracy".</p><p>What a pisser....I remember when it was nice to see a cop on the beat....now....well, I can't say lest I get anally raped for not showing "sufficient deference"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there * any * wonder that the citizenry and the Police are in utter disconnect in every single " Western Democracy " .What a pisser....I remember when it was nice to see a cop on the beat....now....well , I ca n't say lest I get anally raped for not showing " sufficient deference " : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there *any* wonder that the citizenry and the Police are in utter disconnect in every single "Western Democracy".What a pisser....I remember when it was nice to see a cop on the beat....now....well, I can't say lest I get anally raped for not showing "sufficient deference" :(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30627794</id>
	<title>Warrants</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262438220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>At least in New Zealand they still need a warrant.</htmltext>
<tokenext>At least in New Zealand they still need a warrant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least in New Zealand they still need a warrant.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30632044</id>
	<title>Re:Modern Laws for a Modern Society</title>
	<author>corbettw</author>
	<datestamp>1262538360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>why not spend some time reading about the countless times when some honest, moral, and ethical person's life was dramatically improved</p></div><p>Why not spend some time reading about the countless times when those same individuals have had their lives destroyed? Start with Radley Balko's pieces in <i>Reason</i>, you might find your notions of the inherent goodness of police challenged a bit.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>why not spend some time reading about the countless times when some honest , moral , and ethical person 's life was dramatically improvedWhy not spend some time reading about the countless times when those same individuals have had their lives destroyed ?
Start with Radley Balko 's pieces in Reason , you might find your notions of the inherent goodness of police challenged a bit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why not spend some time reading about the countless times when some honest, moral, and ethical person's life was dramatically improvedWhy not spend some time reading about the countless times when those same individuals have had their lives destroyed?
Start with Radley Balko's pieces in Reason, you might find your notions of the inherent goodness of police challenged a bit.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30629942</id>
	<title>Re:Warrants</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1262461740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny how the summary posted fails to reflect what TFA is all about.  I opened this discussion in my browser, prepared to condemn New Zealand for infringing on the rights of it's citizens.  However, after RTFA, I have to go along with them.  If we assume that a wire tap is ever justified, for any reason, then it makes little sense to make SOME electronic communications subject to the tap, but others are immune.</p><p>I see nothing wrong here: the cops still have to get a warrant, and go through channels.  There should be oversight somewhere, which I don't see mentioned.  But, if that oversight is lacking, then it's up to the New Zealand citizens to demand it, and have it installed.</p><p>I still see a problem, in identifying all the electronic methods of communication that a particular suspect or subject might be using.  Again - what good is it to tap his phone, his home internet connection, but he has a cell phone that the cops don't know about?  Here in the states, I can get a net-10 phone for cash money, with no paper trail, use it for however many days, and throw it away. (reactivating that phone leaves a credit card trail - if I were determined to cover my tracks, I wouldn't do it)  The cops aren't going to monitor THAT very effectively, are they?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny how the summary posted fails to reflect what TFA is all about .
I opened this discussion in my browser , prepared to condemn New Zealand for infringing on the rights of it 's citizens .
However , after RTFA , I have to go along with them .
If we assume that a wire tap is ever justified , for any reason , then it makes little sense to make SOME electronic communications subject to the tap , but others are immune.I see nothing wrong here : the cops still have to get a warrant , and go through channels .
There should be oversight somewhere , which I do n't see mentioned .
But , if that oversight is lacking , then it 's up to the New Zealand citizens to demand it , and have it installed.I still see a problem , in identifying all the electronic methods of communication that a particular suspect or subject might be using .
Again - what good is it to tap his phone , his home internet connection , but he has a cell phone that the cops do n't know about ?
Here in the states , I can get a net-10 phone for cash money , with no paper trail , use it for however many days , and throw it away .
( reactivating that phone leaves a credit card trail - if I were determined to cover my tracks , I would n't do it ) The cops are n't going to monitor THAT very effectively , are they ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny how the summary posted fails to reflect what TFA is all about.
I opened this discussion in my browser, prepared to condemn New Zealand for infringing on the rights of it's citizens.
However, after RTFA, I have to go along with them.
If we assume that a wire tap is ever justified, for any reason, then it makes little sense to make SOME electronic communications subject to the tap, but others are immune.I see nothing wrong here: the cops still have to get a warrant, and go through channels.
There should be oversight somewhere, which I don't see mentioned.
But, if that oversight is lacking, then it's up to the New Zealand citizens to demand it, and have it installed.I still see a problem, in identifying all the electronic methods of communication that a particular suspect or subject might be using.
Again - what good is it to tap his phone, his home internet connection, but he has a cell phone that the cops don't know about?
Here in the states, I can get a net-10 phone for cash money, with no paper trail, use it for however many days, and throw it away.
(reactivating that phone leaves a credit card trail - if I were determined to cover my tracks, I wouldn't do it)  The cops aren't going to monitor THAT very effectively, are they?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30629742</id>
	<title>Re:Good grief.</title>
	<author>thpdg</author>
	<datestamp>1262459520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're snooping with plans to present it IN COURT, you'll still need permission.<br>If you're doing it just to be a joker or a pervert, yeah, you can do it already.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're snooping with plans to present it IN COURT , you 'll still need permission.If you 're doing it just to be a joker or a pervert , yeah , you can do it already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're snooping with plans to present it IN COURT, you'll still need permission.If you're doing it just to be a joker or a pervert, yeah, you can do it already.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30631714</id>
	<title>Re:NZIS?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262534700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SIS, like in Big SISter...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SIS , like in Big SISter.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SIS, like in Big SISter...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30627866</id>
	<title>Re:Warrants</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262438760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Police and SIS must still obtain an interception warrant naming a person or place they want to monitor but, compared to the phone taps of the past, a single warrant now covers phone, email and all internet activity.</p></div></blockquote><p>  In other words, they no longer have to specify which form of electronic communication they wish to monitor; one blanket warrant covers them all...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Police and SIS must still obtain an interception warrant naming a person or place they want to monitor but , compared to the phone taps of the past , a single warrant now covers phone , email and all internet activity .
In other words , they no longer have to specify which form of electronic communication they wish to monitor ; one blanket warrant covers them all.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Police and SIS must still obtain an interception warrant naming a person or place they want to monitor but, compared to the phone taps of the past, a single warrant now covers phone, email and all internet activity.
In other words, they no longer have to specify which form of electronic communication they wish to monitor; one blanket warrant covers them all...
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30627888</id>
	<title>Re:Warrants???</title>
	<author>PolygamousRanchKid </author>
	<datestamp>1262439060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Judge: Why should I issue a surveillance warrant for this guy?
</p><p>Cop:  Well, we think that he and his pals got dressed up like Santas, go all liquored up, and then ran through the streets, yelling, "Ho, Ho, Fucking Ho!"
</p><p>Judge: Warrant granted!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Judge : Why should I issue a surveillance warrant for this guy ?
Cop : Well , we think that he and his pals got dressed up like Santas , go all liquored up , and then ran through the streets , yelling , " Ho , Ho , Fucking Ho !
" Judge : Warrant granted !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Judge: Why should I issue a surveillance warrant for this guy?
Cop:  Well, we think that he and his pals got dressed up like Santas, go all liquored up, and then ran through the streets, yelling, "Ho, Ho, Fucking Ho!
"
Judge: Warrant granted!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30627856</id>
	<title>And the burning eye on that tower ...</title>
	<author>meist3r</author>
	<datestamp>1262438700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is just there to help light the streets at night.<br> <br>
Oh Welcome, my dear friends, to the future: Where even the worst crimes against humanity are "worth it".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is just there to help light the streets at night .
Oh Welcome , my dear friends , to the future : Where even the worst crimes against humanity are " worth it " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is just there to help light the streets at night.
Oh Welcome, my dear friends, to the future: Where even the worst crimes against humanity are "worth it".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30627900</id>
	<title>Re:Good grief.</title>
	<author>ickleberry</author>
	<datestamp>1262439120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I always think that privacy went out the window for a large percentage of the population (though more for young people) once they realised they could exchange privacy for attention or the illusion of getting attention on sites like Facebook

<br> <br>

there is also a distinct lack of support for good old shared secret and one-time pad encryption in modern email/IM standards so that isn't helping either. maybe even if things like PGP and 'off the record' plugins were standard then it might be used outside the realm of nerds.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I always think that privacy went out the window for a large percentage of the population ( though more for young people ) once they realised they could exchange privacy for attention or the illusion of getting attention on sites like Facebook there is also a distinct lack of support for good old shared secret and one-time pad encryption in modern email/IM standards so that is n't helping either .
maybe even if things like PGP and 'off the record ' plugins were standard then it might be used outside the realm of nerds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always think that privacy went out the window for a large percentage of the population (though more for young people) once they realised they could exchange privacy for attention or the illusion of getting attention on sites like Facebook

 

there is also a distinct lack of support for good old shared secret and one-time pad encryption in modern email/IM standards so that isn't helping either.
maybe even if things like PGP and 'off the record' plugins were standard then it might be used outside the realm of nerds.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30643900</id>
	<title>Re:Modern Laws for a Modern Society</title>
	<author>GnomeChompsky</author>
	<datestamp>1262633460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd agree with you, except that police harassment is used to stifle dissent, often. There's an activist in Montreal (Canada, not an oppressive militant dictatorship) by the name of Jaggi Singh. In a city where jaywalking is illegal, but the norm, he has been given citations, and apparently also beaten in the process, several times. For giving speeches at protests, he has been arrested on charges of "inciting a riot."</p><p>Protesters at summits often face pepper spray and attack dogs. "Free speech zones" are not. Beyond this, though, minorities often face prejudice at the hands of the police - imagine how your life would be, if every time you drove to your high-paying job, you were stopped by the police because they didn't believe you could possibly own that nice a car.</p><p>The police don't really care about what's right and wrong; they care about enforcing order. Order favours the status quo. When police are given new powers, and this extends to powers that fundamentally breech citizens' rights to privacy, they invariably abuse them in order to maintain the status quo. We can't tolerate this in a civil society.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd agree with you , except that police harassment is used to stifle dissent , often .
There 's an activist in Montreal ( Canada , not an oppressive militant dictatorship ) by the name of Jaggi Singh .
In a city where jaywalking is illegal , but the norm , he has been given citations , and apparently also beaten in the process , several times .
For giving speeches at protests , he has been arrested on charges of " inciting a riot .
" Protesters at summits often face pepper spray and attack dogs .
" Free speech zones " are not .
Beyond this , though , minorities often face prejudice at the hands of the police - imagine how your life would be , if every time you drove to your high-paying job , you were stopped by the police because they did n't believe you could possibly own that nice a car.The police do n't really care about what 's right and wrong ; they care about enforcing order .
Order favours the status quo .
When police are given new powers , and this extends to powers that fundamentally breech citizens ' rights to privacy , they invariably abuse them in order to maintain the status quo .
We ca n't tolerate this in a civil society .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd agree with you, except that police harassment is used to stifle dissent, often.
There's an activist in Montreal (Canada, not an oppressive militant dictatorship) by the name of Jaggi Singh.
In a city where jaywalking is illegal, but the norm, he has been given citations, and apparently also beaten in the process, several times.
For giving speeches at protests, he has been arrested on charges of "inciting a riot.
"Protesters at summits often face pepper spray and attack dogs.
"Free speech zones" are not.
Beyond this, though, minorities often face prejudice at the hands of the police - imagine how your life would be, if every time you drove to your high-paying job, you were stopped by the police because they didn't believe you could possibly own that nice a car.The police don't really care about what's right and wrong; they care about enforcing order.
Order favours the status quo.
When police are given new powers, and this extends to powers that fundamentally breech citizens' rights to privacy, they invariably abuse them in order to maintain the status quo.
We can't tolerate this in a civil society.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30629684</id>
	<title>Because everyone knows...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262458860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because everyone knows those Kiwis are a bunch of sheep-loving terrorists.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because everyone knows those Kiwis are a bunch of sheep-loving terrorists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because everyone knows those Kiwis are a bunch of sheep-loving terrorists.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30628212</id>
	<title>Re:At least they don't have secret police</title>
	<author>QuoteMstr</author>
	<datestamp>1262441760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Why Does Interpol Need Immunity from American Law? [<b>nationalreview.com</b>]</p><p>Obama exempts INTERPOL from search and seizure on US lands [<b>patriotroom.com</b>]</p></div></blockquote><p>Frankly, I wouldn't trust anything on either of those sites: The National Review of William Buckley's old magazine, which these days is just a neoconservative mouthpiece. As for patriotroom: sorry, but the word "patriot" is forever tainted with teabagger idiocy.</p><p>To me, those sites have as much credibility as Sesame Street.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why Does Interpol Need Immunity from American Law ?
[ nationalreview.com ] Obama exempts INTERPOL from search and seizure on US lands [ patriotroom.com ] Frankly , I would n't trust anything on either of those sites : The National Review of William Buckley 's old magazine , which these days is just a neoconservative mouthpiece .
As for patriotroom : sorry , but the word " patriot " is forever tainted with teabagger idiocy.To me , those sites have as much credibility as Sesame Street .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why Does Interpol Need Immunity from American Law?
[nationalreview.com]Obama exempts INTERPOL from search and seizure on US lands [patriotroom.com]Frankly, I wouldn't trust anything on either of those sites: The National Review of William Buckley's old magazine, which these days is just a neoconservative mouthpiece.
As for patriotroom: sorry, but the word "patriot" is forever tainted with teabagger idiocy.To me, those sites have as much credibility as Sesame Street.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30632388</id>
	<title>Money Back Guarantee</title>
	<author>flyneye</author>
	<datestamp>1262541720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think once any government is involved, the term intelligence becomes an oxymoron.<br>This agency is surely driven by the taxes stolen from New Zealanders under the pretense of "protecting" them from unsavory internet users.<br>On the surface we know, there as everywhere else, the agency will work hard to justify its existence and go overboard in doing so.<br>Eventually they will defend what they do , because they have a job and want to keep it, so they will get even snoopier and make a big deal out of little situations.<br>Pretty soon, it's just some big brother/ powerplay and the powerless governed by the powerful as is everywhere else.<br>There is no intelligence involved, were I a NZer, I would demand double my money back or bloody revolution same as cash.<br>Maybe it's just me, I just want to live free and do as I will without hurting anyone. Along come these "government" entities and subtract everyones freedom in the name of " protection". It's a complete scam and the entire world should revolt and delete any vestige of previous governments left over down to the very last bureaucracy. Kill em like roaches or live with the roaches the rest of your life. Unsanitary! ewwww!<br>Do you want to live a full<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,free,creative life or are you just convinced that Big brother has everything covered and all is well? Enlightened or suckered?<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; With all the complaining I've heard about government on the internet since it popularized in the 90s, you would think the world is ready for a change.<br>I'm afraid the only way to get freedom in your lifetime is to literally revolt and kill any powermongers clinging to the old way, the old economy, the strong over the weak.<br>If we start this world revolt we could have it over this time next week and get a good nap in before the reconstruction.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think once any government is involved , the term intelligence becomes an oxymoron.This agency is surely driven by the taxes stolen from New Zealanders under the pretense of " protecting " them from unsavory internet users.On the surface we know , there as everywhere else , the agency will work hard to justify its existence and go overboard in doing so.Eventually they will defend what they do , because they have a job and want to keep it , so they will get even snoopier and make a big deal out of little situations.Pretty soon , it 's just some big brother/ powerplay and the powerless governed by the powerful as is everywhere else.There is no intelligence involved , were I a NZer , I would demand double my money back or bloody revolution same as cash.Maybe it 's just me , I just want to live free and do as I will without hurting anyone .
Along come these " government " entities and subtract everyones freedom in the name of " protection " .
It 's a complete scam and the entire world should revolt and delete any vestige of previous governments left over down to the very last bureaucracy .
Kill em like roaches or live with the roaches the rest of your life .
Unsanitary ! ewwww ! Do you want to live a full ,free,creative life or are you just convinced that Big brother has everything covered and all is well ?
Enlightened or suckered ?
    With all the complaining I 've heard about government on the internet since it popularized in the 90s , you would think the world is ready for a change.I 'm afraid the only way to get freedom in your lifetime is to literally revolt and kill any powermongers clinging to the old way , the old economy , the strong over the weak.If we start this world revolt we could have it over this time next week and get a good nap in before the reconstruction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think once any government is involved, the term intelligence becomes an oxymoron.This agency is surely driven by the taxes stolen from New Zealanders under the pretense of "protecting" them from unsavory internet users.On the surface we know, there as everywhere else, the agency will work hard to justify its existence and go overboard in doing so.Eventually they will defend what they do , because they have a job and want to keep it, so they will get even snoopier and make a big deal out of little situations.Pretty soon, it's just some big brother/ powerplay and the powerless governed by the powerful as is everywhere else.There is no intelligence involved, were I a NZer, I would demand double my money back or bloody revolution same as cash.Maybe it's just me, I just want to live free and do as I will without hurting anyone.
Along come these "government" entities and subtract everyones freedom in the name of " protection".
It's a complete scam and the entire world should revolt and delete any vestige of previous governments left over down to the very last bureaucracy.
Kill em like roaches or live with the roaches the rest of your life.
Unsanitary! ewwww!Do you want to live a full ,free,creative life or are you just convinced that Big brother has everything covered and all is well?
Enlightened or suckered?
    With all the complaining I've heard about government on the internet since it popularized in the 90s, you would think the world is ready for a change.I'm afraid the only way to get freedom in your lifetime is to literally revolt and kill any powermongers clinging to the old way, the old economy, the strong over the weak.If we start this world revolt we could have it over this time next week and get a good nap in before the reconstruction.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30629464</id>
	<title>Re:Same shit as always</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262456100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>....wanting privacy is like wanting happiness...<br>The United States Constitution says you have the right to PURSUE happiness, but it does not give you happiness itself. You have to work on that yourself. Why do you expect privacy is any different? There is no such thing as absolute privacy, if you're going to not live as a hermit in a forest somewhere. Law enforcers always have had the power to inspect communications, even in the days when snail mail and special couriers were the only means. Why are you upset that the same technology that has made it easier for you to communicate also has made it easier for your communications to be intercepted? If it can be done, it most likely will be done.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>....wanting privacy is like wanting happiness...The United States Constitution says you have the right to PURSUE happiness , but it does not give you happiness itself .
You have to work on that yourself .
Why do you expect privacy is any different ?
There is no such thing as absolute privacy , if you 're going to not live as a hermit in a forest somewhere .
Law enforcers always have had the power to inspect communications , even in the days when snail mail and special couriers were the only means .
Why are you upset that the same technology that has made it easier for you to communicate also has made it easier for your communications to be intercepted ?
If it can be done , it most likely will be done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>....wanting privacy is like wanting happiness...The United States Constitution says you have the right to PURSUE happiness, but it does not give you happiness itself.
You have to work on that yourself.
Why do you expect privacy is any different?
There is no such thing as absolute privacy, if you're going to not live as a hermit in a forest somewhere.
Law enforcers always have had the power to inspect communications, even in the days when snail mail and special couriers were the only means.
Why are you upset that the same technology that has made it easier for you to communicate also has made it easier for your communications to be intercepted?
If it can be done, it most likely will be done.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30627940</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30639290</id>
	<title>Re:Warrants</title>
	<author>muckracer</author>
	<datestamp>1262609520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; At least in New Zealand they still need a warrant.</p><p>Unless, of course, the 'collection' is done by partner services of the Echelon-participants...like it's been done for decades.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; At least in New Zealand they still need a warrant.Unless , of course , the 'collection ' is done by partner services of the Echelon-participants...like it 's been done for decades .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; At least in New Zealand they still need a warrant.Unless, of course, the 'collection' is done by partner services of the Echelon-participants...like it's been done for decades.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30627794</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30637434</id>
	<title>Fighting back</title>
	<author>Mr.TT</author>
	<datestamp>1262539140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="https://www.threadthat.com/" title="threadthat.com" rel="nofollow">https://www.threadthat.com/</a> [threadthat.com] was developed in response to the need for privacy/secrecy when communicating/sharing online.  It's free - for now anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>https : //www.threadthat.com/ [ threadthat.com ] was developed in response to the need for privacy/secrecy when communicating/sharing online .
It 's free - for now anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>https://www.threadthat.com/ [threadthat.com] was developed in response to the need for privacy/secrecy when communicating/sharing online.
It's free - for now anyway.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30629288</id>
	<title>Not Big Brother anymore....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262453640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So now we have to worry about Big SISter?</p><p>I'm suprised there isn't a tag for that by now<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So now we have to worry about Big SISter ? I 'm suprised there is n't a tag for that by now : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So now we have to worry about Big SISter?I'm suprised there isn't a tag for that by now :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30628558</id>
	<title>Re:At least they don't have secret police</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262445840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like someone got teabagged by Elmo. (just spit that red fur out).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like someone got teabagged by Elmo .
( just spit that red fur out ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like someone got teabagged by Elmo.
(just spit that red fur out).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30628212</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30631378</id>
	<title>At least they admit it!</title>
	<author>Bob\_Who</author>
	<datestamp>1262530920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Everyone else just lies about doing it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone else just lies about doing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone else just lies about doing it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30627952</id>
	<title>Re:NZIS?</title>
	<author>wizardforce</author>
	<datestamp>1262439420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Considering that the operations in Iraq were once referred to as <b>O</b>peration <b>I</b>raqi <b>L</b>iberation, it shouldn't surprise you that another government put minimal thought into the naming process for its new surveillance program.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering that the operations in Iraq were once referred to as Operation Iraqi Liberation , it should n't surprise you that another government put minimal thought into the naming process for its new surveillance program .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering that the operations in Iraq were once referred to as Operation Iraqi Liberation, it shouldn't surprise you that another government put minimal thought into the naming process for its new surveillance program.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30627834</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30628534</id>
	<title>Re:At least they don't have secret police</title>
	<author>witherstaff</author>
	<datestamp>1262445600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sesame street has a lot of real world politics subtly hidden within it. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit\_Roosevelt,\_Jr." title="wikipedia.org">Kermit</a> [wikipedia.org] was the CIA's man that disposed of the democratically elected government of iran to put in a puppet government. People don't appreciate how much a geopolitical fan Henson must have been.</p><p> <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8957268309327954402&amp;hl=en#" title="google.com">Robert Newman</a> [google.com] has a far funnier bit on Kermit and puppet governments.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sesame street has a lot of real world politics subtly hidden within it .
Kermit [ wikipedia.org ] was the CIA 's man that disposed of the democratically elected government of iran to put in a puppet government .
People do n't appreciate how much a geopolitical fan Henson must have been .
Robert Newman [ google.com ] has a far funnier bit on Kermit and puppet governments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sesame street has a lot of real world politics subtly hidden within it.
Kermit [wikipedia.org] was the CIA's man that disposed of the democratically elected government of iran to put in a puppet government.
People don't appreciate how much a geopolitical fan Henson must have been.
Robert Newman [google.com] has a far funnier bit on Kermit and puppet governments.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30628212</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30628314</id>
	<title>Re:Good grief.</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1262442720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>uptight potential employer</p></div><p>Sorry, but that&rsquo;s mutually exclusive. Either he&rsquo;s a potential employer. Or he&rsquo;s uptight, in which case I&rsquo;d not see him as a potential employer anyway.</p><p>OK, on the other hand, in my business model, there are no employers or employees. There are business partnerships. (Nearly the same thing, but without any enforcement of exclusivity or who gets to hire someone. Also the relationships are equal. Not king &amp; slave.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>uptight potential employerSorry , but that    s mutually exclusive .
Either he    s a potential employer .
Or he    s uptight , in which case I    d not see him as a potential employer anyway.OK , on the other hand , in my business model , there are no employers or employees .
There are business partnerships .
( Nearly the same thing , but without any enforcement of exclusivity or who gets to hire someone .
Also the relationships are equal .
Not king &amp; slave .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>uptight potential employerSorry, but that’s mutually exclusive.
Either he’s a potential employer.
Or he’s uptight, in which case I’d not see him as a potential employer anyway.OK, on the other hand, in my business model, there are no employers or employees.
There are business partnerships.
(Nearly the same thing, but without any enforcement of exclusivity or who gets to hire someone.
Also the relationships are equal.
Not king &amp; slave.
)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30627824</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30629036</id>
	<title>Re:Don't worry!</title>
	<author>JackieBrown</author>
	<datestamp>1262450640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, he was going to solve the world financial problem on Christmas until the Master deleted his plan.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , he was going to solve the world financial problem on Christmas until the Master deleted his plan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, he was going to solve the world financial problem on Christmas until the Master deleted his plan.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30627904</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30629588</id>
	<title>Waihopai spy base probably doing this already</title>
	<author>twosat</author>
	<datestamp>1262457660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>New Zealand also has a major satellite communications spy base Waihopai, said to be part of ECHELON, a worldwide network of spy stations.  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GCSB\_Waihopai</htmltext>
<tokenext>New Zealand also has a major satellite communications spy base Waihopai , said to be part of ECHELON , a worldwide network of spy stations .
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GCSB \ _Waihopai</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New Zealand also has a major satellite communications spy base Waihopai, said to be part of ECHELON, a worldwide network of spy stations.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GCSB\_Waihopai</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30630010</id>
	<title>NZSIS? I have a suggestion for the service name</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262462340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>G</b>rand <b>E</b>xpanded <b>S</b>earch of <b>T</b>elecommunications <b>A</b>nd <b>P</b>roviders <b>O</b>nline</htmltext>
<tokenext>Grand Expanded Search of Telecommunications And Providers Online</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Grand Expanded Search of Telecommunications And Providers Online</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30638378</id>
	<title>New Zealand Intelligence Dept's?</title>
	<author>dogzdik</author>
	<datestamp>1262638500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>New Zealander's got brains Bro?

I thought all they had was lots of pretty looking sheep.</htmltext>
<tokenext>New Zealander 's got brains Bro ?
I thought all they had was lots of pretty looking sheep .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New Zealander's got brains Bro?
I thought all they had was lots of pretty looking sheep.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30629822</id>
	<title>Say Hello To My Little Friend...</title>
	<author>zen-o-matic</author>
	<datestamp>1262460600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My little friend 256-bit AES sends his regards. Have fun!</htmltext>
<tokenext>My little friend 256-bit AES sends his regards .
Have fun !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My little friend 256-bit AES sends his regards.
Have fun!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30627940</id>
	<title>Same shit as always</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262439360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Police association vice-president Stuart Mills said<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... that people who weren't committing criminal offences had little to fear.</p></div><p>That's what everyone says who wants to violate privacy. They forget that the privacy itself has value. I fear that my privacy will be violated, for no reason other than that I want privacy. Why do I want privacy? I don't have to justify that - wanting privacy is like wanting happiness. Why do you want happiness? There is no reason. Happiness and privacy are end-wants. People want other things, only because those other things provide happiness and privacy.</p><p>Well, it is for me anyway. Other people may have sensitive things that they want to do anonymously, without anyone finding out who they are, like criticizing a dictator. That's also a valid reason for privacy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Police association vice-president Stuart Mills said ... that people who were n't committing criminal offences had little to fear.That 's what everyone says who wants to violate privacy .
They forget that the privacy itself has value .
I fear that my privacy will be violated , for no reason other than that I want privacy .
Why do I want privacy ?
I do n't have to justify that - wanting privacy is like wanting happiness .
Why do you want happiness ?
There is no reason .
Happiness and privacy are end-wants .
People want other things , only because those other things provide happiness and privacy.Well , it is for me anyway .
Other people may have sensitive things that they want to do anonymously , without anyone finding out who they are , like criticizing a dictator .
That 's also a valid reason for privacy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Police association vice-president Stuart Mills said ... that people who weren't committing criminal offences had little to fear.That's what everyone says who wants to violate privacy.
They forget that the privacy itself has value.
I fear that my privacy will be violated, for no reason other than that I want privacy.
Why do I want privacy?
I don't have to justify that - wanting privacy is like wanting happiness.
Why do you want happiness?
There is no reason.
Happiness and privacy are end-wants.
People want other things, only because those other things provide happiness and privacy.Well, it is for me anyway.
Other people may have sensitive things that they want to do anonymously, without anyone finding out who they are, like criticizing a dictator.
That's also a valid reason for privacy.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30631906</id>
	<title>stuff.co.nz slashdotted my cpu</title>
	<author>justthinkit</author>
	<datestamp>1262536800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Stuff.co.nz took over one of my cores for several minutes before I was able to close that tab.  WTF is wrong with them?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Stuff.co.nz took over one of my cores for several minutes before I was able to close that tab .
WTF is wrong with them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stuff.co.nz took over one of my cores for several minutes before I was able to close that tab.
WTF is wrong with them?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30628222</id>
	<title>Re:NZIS?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262441880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're going to have to explain. I don't get what's so funny.</p><p>(I tried pronouncing the letters : En-Zed-Eye-Ess, but that's nothing. Pronouncing 'Z' the American way <i>almost</i> sounds like NCIS, but that's not funny. I just honestly don't get it... Please take pity on me, and explain the joke?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're going to have to explain .
I do n't get what 's so funny .
( I tried pronouncing the letters : En-Zed-Eye-Ess , but that 's nothing .
Pronouncing 'Z ' the American way almost sounds like NCIS , but that 's not funny .
I just honestly do n't get it... Please take pity on me , and explain the joke ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're going to have to explain.
I don't get what's so funny.
(I tried pronouncing the letters : En-Zed-Eye-Ess, but that's nothing.
Pronouncing 'Z' the American way almost sounds like NCIS, but that's not funny.
I just honestly don't get it... Please take pity on me, and explain the joke?
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30627834</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30631106</id>
	<title>and this helps?</title>
	<author>dropadrop</author>
	<datestamp>1262526300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the police don't do anything the laws are useless. Last year I had a case where a NZ citizen broke quite a few laws hacking our service. Cert AU was trying to push to help get things rolling, but nothing happened. After two weeks of fighting we got a "case number" and they said they are looking into it. A few months later I was traveling in the region and spent a few weeks in NZ. I spent two days on the phone trying to find somebody to talk to about the case, but only reached awnsering machines. Cert AU spent the same time trying to reach somebody and where unable to. Now 1 1/2 years later we never heard back from them. This with concrete evidence ready, the police would have had it extremly easy...</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the police do n't do anything the laws are useless .
Last year I had a case where a NZ citizen broke quite a few laws hacking our service .
Cert AU was trying to push to help get things rolling , but nothing happened .
After two weeks of fighting we got a " case number " and they said they are looking into it .
A few months later I was traveling in the region and spent a few weeks in NZ .
I spent two days on the phone trying to find somebody to talk to about the case , but only reached awnsering machines .
Cert AU spent the same time trying to reach somebody and where unable to .
Now 1 1/2 years later we never heard back from them .
This with concrete evidence ready , the police would have had it extremly easy.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the police don't do anything the laws are useless.
Last year I had a case where a NZ citizen broke quite a few laws hacking our service.
Cert AU was trying to push to help get things rolling, but nothing happened.
After two weeks of fighting we got a "case number" and they said they are looking into it.
A few months later I was traveling in the region and spent a few weeks in NZ.
I spent two days on the phone trying to find somebody to talk to about the case, but only reached awnsering machines.
Cert AU spent the same time trying to reach somebody and where unable to.
Now 1 1/2 years later we never heard back from them.
This with concrete evidence ready, the police would have had it extremly easy...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30629960</id>
	<title>Re:Scary Stuff</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262461920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure, until they decide that every encrypted connection needs a MITM, which I heard rumours of for the Australian Internet censorship stuff.</p><p>Also, the TOR network becomes much less useful if 90\% of the nodes are run by the NSA or and the NZSIS has free access to the NSAs data.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , until they decide that every encrypted connection needs a MITM , which I heard rumours of for the Australian Internet censorship stuff.Also , the TOR network becomes much less useful if 90 \ % of the nodes are run by the NSA or and the NZSIS has free access to the NSAs data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, until they decide that every encrypted connection needs a MITM, which I heard rumours of for the Australian Internet censorship stuff.Also, the TOR network becomes much less useful if 90\% of the nodes are run by the NSA or and the NZSIS has free access to the NSAs data.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30628394</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30629204</id>
	<title>Re:At least they don't have secret police</title>
	<author>DNS-and-BIND</author>
	<datestamp>1262452740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since when is Sesame Street a fountain of lies?  I always regarded Sesame Street as eminently credible.  Their staff includes many leading figures in children's education.  Sorry, can you provide citations of dishonest behavior on their part?  I have no idea why you brought them into a discussion of vile politics and mudslinging.</p><p>Secondly, one of the things I learned from Sesame Street was that all ideas are equal, everybody is the same, and there are no right or wrong viewpoints, only different life experiences.  Maybe you need a bit of that, as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when is Sesame Street a fountain of lies ?
I always regarded Sesame Street as eminently credible .
Their staff includes many leading figures in children 's education .
Sorry , can you provide citations of dishonest behavior on their part ?
I have no idea why you brought them into a discussion of vile politics and mudslinging.Secondly , one of the things I learned from Sesame Street was that all ideas are equal , everybody is the same , and there are no right or wrong viewpoints , only different life experiences .
Maybe you need a bit of that , as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when is Sesame Street a fountain of lies?
I always regarded Sesame Street as eminently credible.
Their staff includes many leading figures in children's education.
Sorry, can you provide citations of dishonest behavior on their part?
I have no idea why you brought them into a discussion of vile politics and mudslinging.Secondly, one of the things I learned from Sesame Street was that all ideas are equal, everybody is the same, and there are no right or wrong viewpoints, only different life experiences.
Maybe you need a bit of that, as well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30628212</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30631778</id>
	<title>Re:Good grief.</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1262535420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People still don't get the concept of the slippery slope.  By the time they do, they have fallen off the end of it and are sitting in the mud and cant get out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People still do n't get the concept of the slippery slope .
By the time they do , they have fallen off the end of it and are sitting in the mud and cant get out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People still don't get the concept of the slippery slope.
By the time they do, they have fallen off the end of it and are sitting in the mud and cant get out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30627922</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30627824</id>
	<title>Good grief.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262438400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>New cyber-monitoring measures have been quietly introduced in New Zealand giving police and Security Intelligence Service officers the power to monitor all aspects of someone's online life.</p></div><p>Who in the world thinks their "online life" can be kept secret from <i>anyone</i>? Good grief, you don't need to be the New Zealand Secret Service to dig around online to see what people are up to. Once again, if you don't want people to know what your doing, don't put it online for everyone (including the spooks) to see. The Interwebs are by their nature <i>not private</i>. And really, no one really cares what's on your Facebook except your uptight potential employer.</p></div>
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<tokenext>New cyber-monitoring measures have been quietly introduced in New Zealand giving police and Security Intelligence Service officers the power to monitor all aspects of someone 's online life.Who in the world thinks their " online life " can be kept secret from anyone ?
Good grief , you do n't need to be the New Zealand Secret Service to dig around online to see what people are up to .
Once again , if you do n't want people to know what your doing , do n't put it online for everyone ( including the spooks ) to see .
The Interwebs are by their nature not private .
And really , no one really cares what 's on your Facebook except your uptight potential employer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New cyber-monitoring measures have been quietly introduced in New Zealand giving police and Security Intelligence Service officers the power to monitor all aspects of someone's online life.Who in the world thinks their "online life" can be kept secret from anyone?
Good grief, you don't need to be the New Zealand Secret Service to dig around online to see what people are up to.
Once again, if you don't want people to know what your doing, don't put it online for everyone (including the spooks) to see.
The Interwebs are by their nature not private.
And really, no one really cares what's on your Facebook except your uptight potential employer.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30632206</id>
	<title>Re:Modern Laws for a Modern Society</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262539980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"...why not spend some time reading about the countless times when some honest, moral, and ethical person's life was dramatically improved because of modernized laws in the hands of an honest, moral, and ethical society..."</p><p>Because there aren't any?</p><p>But let me, for free, give you my prediction concerning the effects of these extensions of government intrusion. It is based on thirty years of working for a Security organisation of a Western government, so I think it may have some validity:</p><p>1 - few, if any, terrorists will be discovered using this interception capability<br>2 - it will soon be used to investigate minor crimes, unproven assertions and for 'fishing expeditions' by the ever expanding groups of people who will be given access to it<br>3 - the operators of the system will start providing data from it to their contacts in various dodgy occupations in exchange for money<br>4 - eventually, criminal groups will infiltrate the service and start to use it for fraud and other illegal activities</p><p>This is already the case with many of these systems - the secrecy around them makes it very easy to misuse them without detection...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...why not spend some time reading about the countless times when some honest , moral , and ethical person 's life was dramatically improved because of modernized laws in the hands of an honest , moral , and ethical society... " Because there are n't any ? But let me , for free , give you my prediction concerning the effects of these extensions of government intrusion .
It is based on thirty years of working for a Security organisation of a Western government , so I think it may have some validity : 1 - few , if any , terrorists will be discovered using this interception capability2 - it will soon be used to investigate minor crimes , unproven assertions and for 'fishing expeditions ' by the ever expanding groups of people who will be given access to it3 - the operators of the system will start providing data from it to their contacts in various dodgy occupations in exchange for money4 - eventually , criminal groups will infiltrate the service and start to use it for fraud and other illegal activitiesThis is already the case with many of these systems - the secrecy around them makes it very easy to misuse them without detection.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"...why not spend some time reading about the countless times when some honest, moral, and ethical person's life was dramatically improved because of modernized laws in the hands of an honest, moral, and ethical society..."Because there aren't any?But let me, for free, give you my prediction concerning the effects of these extensions of government intrusion.
It is based on thirty years of working for a Security organisation of a Western government, so I think it may have some validity:1 - few, if any, terrorists will be discovered using this interception capability2 - it will soon be used to investigate minor crimes, unproven assertions and for 'fishing expeditions' by the ever expanding groups of people who will be given access to it3 - the operators of the system will start providing data from it to their contacts in various dodgy occupations in exchange for money4 - eventually, criminal groups will infiltrate the service and start to use it for fraud and other illegal activitiesThis is already the case with many of these systems - the secrecy around them makes it very easy to misuse them without detection...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30631488</id>
	<title>Spying on false-flag data</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262532240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So now, I can post under another person's name and the information will be captured by LEOs and used against that person?</p><p>I say goddamn! It's never been so easy to falsely implicate someone anonymously!  HEH!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So now , I can post under another person 's name and the information will be captured by LEOs and used against that person ? I say goddamn !
It 's never been so easy to falsely implicate someone anonymously !
HEH !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So now, I can post under another person's name and the information will be captured by LEOs and used against that person?I say goddamn!
It's never been so easy to falsely implicate someone anonymously!
HEH!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30650204</id>
	<title>Re:Good grief.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262618640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You may not realize it but your argument could also be used to justify massive surveillance programs outside of peoples' homes like that in London.  After all, what you do outside isn't terribly private either; people can see you all the time but that doesn't make the surveillance mundane and not worth mentioning...</p></div><p>London ?  That place with thousands of cameras on the lightpoles ?</p></div>
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<tokenext>You may not realize it but your argument could also be used to justify massive surveillance programs outside of peoples ' homes like that in London .
After all , what you do outside is n't terribly private either ; people can see you all the time but that does n't make the surveillance mundane and not worth mentioning...London ?
That place with thousands of cameras on the lightpoles ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may not realize it but your argument could also be used to justify massive surveillance programs outside of peoples' homes like that in London.
After all, what you do outside isn't terribly private either; people can see you all the time but that doesn't make the surveillance mundane and not worth mentioning...London ?
That place with thousands of cameras on the lightpoles ?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30627962</id>
	<title>Re:NZIS?</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1262439540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The <b>A</b>ustralian <b>F</b>ederal <b>P</b>olice was going to be called the <b>F</b>ederal <b>L</b>aw <b>E</b>nforcement <b>A</b>gency.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Australian Federal Police was going to be called the Federal Law Enforcement Agency .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Australian Federal Police was going to be called the Federal Law Enforcement Agency.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30627910</id>
	<title>Oh please</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262439180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Would you rather that new frontiers to never be policed or surveilled ever?  The fact is that criminals and other evildoers are using the internet  and other technology for nefarious purposes as well as the good guys.</p><p>I for one am glad for police and law enforcement agencies having the same powers as they would have in the offline world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would you rather that new frontiers to never be policed or surveilled ever ?
The fact is that criminals and other evildoers are using the internet and other technology for nefarious purposes as well as the good guys.I for one am glad for police and law enforcement agencies having the same powers as they would have in the offline world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would you rather that new frontiers to never be policed or surveilled ever?
The fact is that criminals and other evildoers are using the internet  and other technology for nefarious purposes as well as the good guys.I for one am glad for police and law enforcement agencies having the same powers as they would have in the offline world.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_03_004246.30628550</id>
	<title>Re:NZIS?</title>
	<author>compro01</author>
	<datestamp>1262445720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>*SIS seems to be a minor naming trend in commonwealth countries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* SIS seems to be a minor naming trend in commonwealth countries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*SIS seems to be a minor naming trend in commonwealth countries.</sentencetext>
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