<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_02_0342257</id>
	<title>China Arrests Thousands In Internet Porn Crackdown</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1262427240000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Clandestine\_Blaze writes <i>"Chinese police have arrested 5,394 people &mdash; with another 4,186 criminal cases in the works &mdash; in <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60004220100101">one of the largest crackdowns on Internet porn</a> in the country. Even more arrests are expected in 2010, according to the Ministry of Public Security's website (<a href="http://www.mps.gov.cn/n16/n1237/n1342/n803715/2260399.html">In Chinese</a> or <a href="http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate\_c?hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;sl=zh-CN&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http://www.mps.gov.cn/n16/n1237/n1342/n803715/2260399.html&amp;prev=\_t&amp;rurl=translate.google.com&amp;twu=1&amp;usg=ALkJrhhV\_5qkOtayAUcvGuLe46I3ZxmCZA"> Google translated into English</a>). According to the Reuters article on the crackdown, one of the justifications was that the pornography was 'threatening the emotional health of children.' From the English translation of the Ministry of Public Security's website linked above, it appears that certain provinces are also offering 1,000 yuan and 2,000 yuan rewards, per person, for reporting illegal websites to the government."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Clandestine \ _Blaze writes " Chinese police have arrested 5,394 people    with another 4,186 criminal cases in the works    in one of the largest crackdowns on Internet porn in the country .
Even more arrests are expected in 2010 , according to the Ministry of Public Security 's website ( In Chinese or Google translated into English ) .
According to the Reuters article on the crackdown , one of the justifications was that the pornography was 'threatening the emotional health of children .
' From the English translation of the Ministry of Public Security 's website linked above , it appears that certain provinces are also offering 1,000 yuan and 2,000 yuan rewards , per person , for reporting illegal websites to the government .
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<sentencetext>Clandestine\_Blaze writes "Chinese police have arrested 5,394 people — with another 4,186 criminal cases in the works — in one of the largest crackdowns on Internet porn in the country.
Even more arrests are expected in 2010, according to the Ministry of Public Security's website (In Chinese or  Google translated into English).
According to the Reuters article on the crackdown, one of the justifications was that the pornography was 'threatening the emotional health of children.
' From the English translation of the Ministry of Public Security's website linked above, it appears that certain provinces are also offering 1,000 yuan and 2,000 yuan rewards, per person, for reporting illegal websites to the government.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621904</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1262444460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who are you talking to? I can't see left wing or communism in the summary of the article, apart from a reference to the Communist Party (which is perfectly factual and reasonable, and doesn't imply to me that this ban is related to communism in general).</p><p><i>No liberal or leftist government would attack the consumption of adult pornography. (Nor would they even care.)</i></p><p>Being left or right wing is independent of views or laws on pornography. Why should a country's economical state affect this? It would be wrong to say that left wing Governments are more likely to crack down on porn (did anyone say that?), but equally, I don't think you can claim that no left wing Government would do so.</p><p>Being liberal on the other hand is relevant, as by definition that is a term to do with supporting individual freedom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who are you talking to ?
I ca n't see left wing or communism in the summary of the article , apart from a reference to the Communist Party ( which is perfectly factual and reasonable , and does n't imply to me that this ban is related to communism in general ) .No liberal or leftist government would attack the consumption of adult pornography .
( Nor would they even care .
) Being left or right wing is independent of views or laws on pornography .
Why should a country 's economical state affect this ?
It would be wrong to say that left wing Governments are more likely to crack down on porn ( did anyone say that ?
) , but equally , I do n't think you can claim that no left wing Government would do so.Being liberal on the other hand is relevant , as by definition that is a term to do with supporting individual freedom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who are you talking to?
I can't see left wing or communism in the summary of the article, apart from a reference to the Communist Party (which is perfectly factual and reasonable, and doesn't imply to me that this ban is related to communism in general).No liberal or leftist government would attack the consumption of adult pornography.
(Nor would they even care.
)Being left or right wing is independent of views or laws on pornography.
Why should a country's economical state affect this?
It would be wrong to say that left wing Governments are more likely to crack down on porn (did anyone say that?
), but equally, I don't think you can claim that no left wing Government would do so.Being liberal on the other hand is relevant, as by definition that is a term to do with supporting individual freedom.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30624096</id>
	<title>Sex, on film? More Chinese intellectual theft!</title>
	<author>ibsteve2u</author>
	<datestamp>1262458320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I distinctly remember when America invented sex - I was 14, and it was under the grape arbor in my backyard...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I distinctly remember when America invented sex - I was 14 , and it was under the grape arbor in my backyard.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I distinctly remember when America invented sex - I was 14, and it was under the grape arbor in my backyard...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30622024</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1262445600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> No liberal or leftist government would attack the consumption of adult pornography.</p></div></blockquote><p>It has nothing to do with left or right (even if you agree with a single dimension of politics).  Both suppress it for their own reasons.  The left often do it because it's demeaning to women, the right for religious reasons.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No liberal or leftist government would attack the consumption of adult pornography.It has nothing to do with left or right ( even if you agree with a single dimension of politics ) .
Both suppress it for their own reasons .
The left often do it because it 's demeaning to women , the right for religious reasons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> No liberal or leftist government would attack the consumption of adult pornography.It has nothing to do with left or right (even if you agree with a single dimension of politics).
Both suppress it for their own reasons.
The left often do it because it's demeaning to women, the right for religious reasons.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621294</id>
	<title>Re:I don't understand</title>
	<author>Xaduurv</author>
	<datestamp>1262435820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>But porn is the major driving force behind every technological breakthrough! From bluray to holes in wooden fences!</htmltext>
<tokenext>But porn is the major driving force behind every technological breakthrough !
From bluray to holes in wooden fences !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But porn is the major driving force behind every technological breakthrough!
From bluray to holes in wooden fences!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621586</id>
	<title>Re:The Less Porn the Better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262440740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>No doubt this will outrage many here given the demographic is *slanted* towards the male</p></div></blockquote><p>I see what you did there.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No doubt this will outrage many here given the demographic is * slanted * towards the maleI see what you did there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No doubt this will outrage many here given the demographic is *slanted* towards the maleI see what you did there.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621084</id>
	<title>Re:I'm ever so thankful</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262432820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>God bless USA for porn? You're probably one of those ugly, fat virgin FreeBSD users who has to <a href="http://lianashevchenko.wordpress.com/" title="wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">rely on porn</a> [wordpress.com] for sexual satisfaction.</htmltext>
<tokenext>God bless USA for porn ?
You 're probably one of those ugly , fat virgin FreeBSD users who has to rely on porn [ wordpress.com ] for sexual satisfaction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>God bless USA for porn?
You're probably one of those ugly, fat virgin FreeBSD users who has to rely on porn [wordpress.com] for sexual satisfaction.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621426</id>
	<title>Not my cup of tea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262437920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not the Evil Empire, but also not a model of government that I want my country to follow.</p><p>I witnessed the ham-fisted propaganda exercise that the Chinese government attempted in Australia when the 2008 Olympic torch went through the country.  It left me with no doubt that the Chinese government will go to great lengths to protect and promote its agenda (and that Chinese overseas students are its foot soldiers).</p><p>It also left me with little doubt that the Chinese government will not hesitate to extend its influence, if given the opportunity.  I've got no problem if the Chinese want to live under their current government, but China's government becomes and Evil Empire to me when it attempts the type of invasion of my country that it attempted in 2008.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not the Evil Empire , but also not a model of government that I want my country to follow.I witnessed the ham-fisted propaganda exercise that the Chinese government attempted in Australia when the 2008 Olympic torch went through the country .
It left me with no doubt that the Chinese government will go to great lengths to protect and promote its agenda ( and that Chinese overseas students are its foot soldiers ) .It also left me with little doubt that the Chinese government will not hesitate to extend its influence , if given the opportunity .
I 've got no problem if the Chinese want to live under their current government , but China 's government becomes and Evil Empire to me when it attempts the type of invasion of my country that it attempted in 2008 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not the Evil Empire, but also not a model of government that I want my country to follow.I witnessed the ham-fisted propaganda exercise that the Chinese government attempted in Australia when the 2008 Olympic torch went through the country.
It left me with no doubt that the Chinese government will go to great lengths to protect and promote its agenda (and that Chinese overseas students are its foot soldiers).It also left me with little doubt that the Chinese government will not hesitate to extend its influence, if given the opportunity.
I've got no problem if the Chinese want to live under their current government, but China's government becomes and Evil Empire to me when it attempts the type of invasion of my country that it attempted in 2008.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30630404</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1262512020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>No liberal or leftist government would attack the consumption of adult pornography. (Nor would they even care.)</p></div><p>I dunno. USSR certainly had a leftist government, even if authoritarian one - I mean, it had universal healthcare, free post-secondary education for everyone, guaranteed work, free apartments, any full-time salary (and remember, work is guaranteed) would provide you with enough to eat healthily, etc.</p><p>And guess what? Homosexuality was a crime in USSR, punished by imprisonment for up to five years, since as early as 1926. The rationale? Supposedly, homosexualism is "one of the byproducts of the ongoing moral rotting of the bourgeois society", as well as "unsanitary practice".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No liberal or leftist government would attack the consumption of adult pornography .
( Nor would they even care .
) I dunno .
USSR certainly had a leftist government , even if authoritarian one - I mean , it had universal healthcare , free post-secondary education for everyone , guaranteed work , free apartments , any full-time salary ( and remember , work is guaranteed ) would provide you with enough to eat healthily , etc.And guess what ?
Homosexuality was a crime in USSR , punished by imprisonment for up to five years , since as early as 1926 .
The rationale ?
Supposedly , homosexualism is " one of the byproducts of the ongoing moral rotting of the bourgeois society " , as well as " unsanitary practice " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No liberal or leftist government would attack the consumption of adult pornography.
(Nor would they even care.
)I dunno.
USSR certainly had a leftist government, even if authoritarian one - I mean, it had universal healthcare, free post-secondary education for everyone, guaranteed work, free apartments, any full-time salary (and remember, work is guaranteed) would provide you with enough to eat healthily, etc.And guess what?
Homosexuality was a crime in USSR, punished by imprisonment for up to five years, since as early as 1926.
The rationale?
Supposedly, homosexualism is "one of the byproducts of the ongoing moral rotting of the bourgeois society", as well as "unsanitary practice".
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621906</id>
	<title>and Mao?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262444460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well maybe they should have followed what Mao was doing...<br>Sex is well deep in Chinese mentality, one of the most famous and highly regarded book is about sex ( well actually porn ) : Jin Ping Mei regarded as the fifth classical novel.<br>Classic Chinese literacy have a few famous "porn books" and some of them are<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:|<br>In a recent study, it seems that 40\% ( yes forty percent ) cheated their husband.</p><p>And finally what about Shu Qi? It's amusing to know in what kind of movies she started haha...</p><p>It's all back to the original "Chinese problem", with sex, it's easy to lose face.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well maybe they should have followed what Mao was doing...Sex is well deep in Chinese mentality , one of the most famous and highly regarded book is about sex ( well actually porn ) : Jin Ping Mei regarded as the fifth classical novel.Classic Chinese literacy have a few famous " porn books " and some of them are : | In a recent study , it seems that 40 \ % ( yes forty percent ) cheated their husband.And finally what about Shu Qi ?
It 's amusing to know in what kind of movies she started haha...It 's all back to the original " Chinese problem " , with sex , it 's easy to lose face .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well maybe they should have followed what Mao was doing...Sex is well deep in Chinese mentality, one of the most famous and highly regarded book is about sex ( well actually porn ) : Jin Ping Mei regarded as the fifth classical novel.Classic Chinese literacy have a few famous "porn books" and some of them are :|In a recent study, it seems that 40\% ( yes forty percent ) cheated their husband.And finally what about Shu Qi?
It's amusing to know in what kind of movies she started haha...It's all back to the original "Chinese problem", with sex, it's easy to lose face.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30626174</id>
	<title>It seems chinese people have...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262427540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...only heard of lesbian porn. Someone should tell them, that heterosexual and gay porn exists as well.</p><p>I don't know how it is in the USA, but in Europe people have done everything, from pirating satellite tv channels and building their own pirate cards and decodifiers in undercover "factories" to achieving internet flatrates without traffic limit, only for the sake of watching "free" football and porn. They could make it ilegal here, but they won't ever stop it.</p><p>I actually think that they should make retransmiting free football and free porn ilegall. People won't move from their couches for more civil rights or against corruption, but if you cut them the free porn and football, they will stand up immediately and start figuring out a way to take it back. Imagine all the advancements in security and technology that we would be able to achieve if we do that. And also the atributes of self-learning, we-belong-together feeling, teamwork, selfachievement (when you are able to watch porn for a week before they burn all the pirates cards in a superbowl weekend...) and culture that we would instaurate in our citizens. People say that faith move mountains. I've never seen faith doing that, but i've seen people working 30 hours without sleep for free the day before a champions legue final in order to get the pirated satelite cards working again... If you take into account that buying the match in prepaid tv costed around 10$, and that one hour of these people "RealWorld work" costs way more, that you see what i mean.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...only heard of lesbian porn .
Someone should tell them , that heterosexual and gay porn exists as well.I do n't know how it is in the USA , but in Europe people have done everything , from pirating satellite tv channels and building their own pirate cards and decodifiers in undercover " factories " to achieving internet flatrates without traffic limit , only for the sake of watching " free " football and porn .
They could make it ilegal here , but they wo n't ever stop it.I actually think that they should make retransmiting free football and free porn ilegall .
People wo n't move from their couches for more civil rights or against corruption , but if you cut them the free porn and football , they will stand up immediately and start figuring out a way to take it back .
Imagine all the advancements in security and technology that we would be able to achieve if we do that .
And also the atributes of self-learning , we-belong-together feeling , teamwork , selfachievement ( when you are able to watch porn for a week before they burn all the pirates cards in a superbowl weekend... ) and culture that we would instaurate in our citizens .
People say that faith move mountains .
I 've never seen faith doing that , but i 've seen people working 30 hours without sleep for free the day before a champions legue final in order to get the pirated satelite cards working again... If you take into account that buying the match in prepaid tv costed around 10 $ , and that one hour of these people " RealWorld work " costs way more , that you see what i mean .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...only heard of lesbian porn.
Someone should tell them, that heterosexual and gay porn exists as well.I don't know how it is in the USA, but in Europe people have done everything, from pirating satellite tv channels and building their own pirate cards and decodifiers in undercover "factories" to achieving internet flatrates without traffic limit, only for the sake of watching "free" football and porn.
They could make it ilegal here, but they won't ever stop it.I actually think that they should make retransmiting free football and free porn ilegall.
People won't move from their couches for more civil rights or against corruption, but if you cut them the free porn and football, they will stand up immediately and start figuring out a way to take it back.
Imagine all the advancements in security and technology that we would be able to achieve if we do that.
And also the atributes of self-learning, we-belong-together feeling, teamwork, selfachievement (when you are able to watch porn for a week before they burn all the pirates cards in a superbowl weekend...) and culture that we would instaurate in our citizens.
People say that faith move mountains.
I've never seen faith doing that, but i've seen people working 30 hours without sleep for free the day before a champions legue final in order to get the pirated satelite cards working again... If you take into account that buying the match in prepaid tv costed around 10$, and that one hour of these people "RealWorld work" costs way more, that you see what i mean.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621268</id>
	<title>Re:I don't understand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262435460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As the wise Dr. Cox once said: &ldquo;I am fairly sure that if they took porn off the Internet, there would only be one website left, and it would be called &lsquo;Bring back the porn&rsquo;.&rdquo;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As the wise Dr. Cox once said :    I am fairly sure that if they took porn off the Internet , there would only be one website left , and it would be called    Bring back the porn    .   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>As the wise Dr. Cox once said: “I am fairly sure that if they took porn off the Internet, there would only be one website left, and it would be called ‘Bring back the porn’.”</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621244</id>
	<title>Re:I'm ever so thankful</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262435160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your country has its own equally insane legal idiocies.  Go count how many people you imprison for possession of marijuana.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your country has its own equally insane legal idiocies .
Go count how many people you imprison for possession of marijuana .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your country has its own equally insane legal idiocies.
Go count how many people you imprison for possession of marijuana.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621478</id>
	<title>Re:I'm ever so thankful</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262438880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about the slashdot article the other day where people were critical of the H1B program, so their sites were shutdown?</p><p>Seems censorship is alive in the "USA" as well?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about the slashdot article the other day where people were critical of the H1B program , so their sites were shutdown ? Seems censorship is alive in the " USA " as well ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about the slashdot article the other day where people were critical of the H1B program, so their sites were shutdown?Seems censorship is alive in the "USA" as well?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621168</id>
	<title>Re:The Less Porn the Better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262434080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <tt>If you start immersing yourself in material with racist (for instance) views you should not be surprised if some of them begin to rub off on you. The same goes for significant exposure to pornography.</tt></p></div> </blockquote><p>Okay, a) if the porn is depicting consensual acts, then there's really nothing wrong with it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... "rubbing off on you." Hardly equivalent to racism.</p><p>And b), that's bs anyway. I can personally attest that watching porn in no way increases sexual activity.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you start immersing yourself in material with racist ( for instance ) views you should not be surprised if some of them begin to rub off on you .
The same goes for significant exposure to pornography .
Okay , a ) if the porn is depicting consensual acts , then there 's really nothing wrong with it ... " rubbing off on you .
" Hardly equivalent to racism.And b ) , that 's bs anyway .
I can personally attest that watching porn in no way increases sexual activity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> If you start immersing yourself in material with racist (for instance) views you should not be surprised if some of them begin to rub off on you.
The same goes for significant exposure to pornography.
Okay, a) if the porn is depicting consensual acts, then there's really nothing wrong with it ... "rubbing off on you.
" Hardly equivalent to racism.And b), that's bs anyway.
I can personally attest that watching porn in no way increases sexual activity.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621490</id>
	<title>I don't understand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262439300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ASCII was created for Internet porn because EBCDIC was too suggestive, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ASCII was created for Internet porn because EBCDIC was too suggestive , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ASCII was created for Internet porn because EBCDIC was too suggestive, right?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621866</id>
	<title>and the UK too...</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1262443920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed. And here in the UK, we've had a year of possession of so-called "extreme" porn being criminalised, which is already being used for as ludicrous cases as <a href="http://heresycorner.blogspot.com/2010/01/tiger-has-its-day-in-court.html" title="blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">joke Photoshopped images of someone having sex with a tiger</a> [blogspot.com].</p><p>It also reminds me of a common claim regarding criticism of porn crackdowns: "Why are you whining about porn; in China they have real censorship about political things, that's what real censorship is like", they cry. Stories like this show that different kinds of censorship - whether moral or political - are two sides of the same coin. They all have the same effect of ruining people's lives, over material that the state wants to banish.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
And here in the UK , we 've had a year of possession of so-called " extreme " porn being criminalised , which is already being used for as ludicrous cases as joke Photoshopped images of someone having sex with a tiger [ blogspot.com ] .It also reminds me of a common claim regarding criticism of porn crackdowns : " Why are you whining about porn ; in China they have real censorship about political things , that 's what real censorship is like " , they cry .
Stories like this show that different kinds of censorship - whether moral or political - are two sides of the same coin .
They all have the same effect of ruining people 's lives , over material that the state wants to banish .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.
And here in the UK, we've had a year of possession of so-called "extreme" porn being criminalised, which is already being used for as ludicrous cases as joke Photoshopped images of someone having sex with a tiger [blogspot.com].It also reminds me of a common claim regarding criticism of porn crackdowns: "Why are you whining about porn; in China they have real censorship about political things, that's what real censorship is like", they cry.
Stories like this show that different kinds of censorship - whether moral or political - are two sides of the same coin.
They all have the same effect of ruining people's lives, over material that the state wants to banish.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30624306</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>d\_54321</author>
	<datestamp>1262459460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Compare and contrast your argument with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No\_true\_Scotsman" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">this</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Compare and contrast your argument with this [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Compare and contrast your argument with this [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30622566</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262450280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The basic reason that the Chinese do not allow porn is that they believe that it demeans women. This goes back to the revolution, in which women were eager to participate to get some basic equality with men. You can argue that women have a choice, but in poor provinces, you can bet that it would be akin to prostitution, where young women are basically forced into the lifestyle because they have no other options.</p></div><p>Question that comes to mind:  do they allow gay-porn then?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The basic reason that the Chinese do not allow porn is that they believe that it demeans women .
This goes back to the revolution , in which women were eager to participate to get some basic equality with men .
You can argue that women have a choice , but in poor provinces , you can bet that it would be akin to prostitution , where young women are basically forced into the lifestyle because they have no other options.Question that comes to mind : do they allow gay-porn then ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The basic reason that the Chinese do not allow porn is that they believe that it demeans women.
This goes back to the revolution, in which women were eager to participate to get some basic equality with men.
You can argue that women have a choice, but in poor provinces, you can bet that it would be akin to prostitution, where young women are basically forced into the lifestyle because they have no other options.Question that comes to mind:  do they allow gay-porn then?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30623198</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>Foolicious</author>
	<datestamp>1262453760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We have already seen that a large percentage of our Christian Right extremists in the USA and Canada do not believe in sexual equality or egalitarianism, or freedom of speech. I worry this will give them ideas.</p></div><p>So...what you're saying is, that as long as people believe what you believe regarding sexual equality or egalitarianism, for example, they can believe whatever they want to believe, right?</p><p> But otherwise, their beliefs are dangerous, and must be...wait for it...wait for it...censored.  Or better yet, criminalized.</p><p>All that to say that I hope you realize that you're doing the exact same thing as the people you obviously despise.  I do recognize you won't be able to handle the cognitive dissonance of this idea and my typing has been a waste of a couple minutes, but I thought I'd point it out anyways, just for the heck of it.</p></div>
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<tokenext>We have already seen that a large percentage of our Christian Right extremists in the USA and Canada do not believe in sexual equality or egalitarianism , or freedom of speech .
I worry this will give them ideas.So...what you 're saying is , that as long as people believe what you believe regarding sexual equality or egalitarianism , for example , they can believe whatever they want to believe , right ?
But otherwise , their beliefs are dangerous , and must be...wait for it...wait for it...censored .
Or better yet , criminalized.All that to say that I hope you realize that you 're doing the exact same thing as the people you obviously despise .
I do recognize you wo n't be able to handle the cognitive dissonance of this idea and my typing has been a waste of a couple minutes , but I thought I 'd point it out anyways , just for the heck of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have already seen that a large percentage of our Christian Right extremists in the USA and Canada do not believe in sexual equality or egalitarianism, or freedom of speech.
I worry this will give them ideas.So...what you're saying is, that as long as people believe what you believe regarding sexual equality or egalitarianism, for example, they can believe whatever they want to believe, right?
But otherwise, their beliefs are dangerous, and must be...wait for it...wait for it...censored.
Or better yet, criminalized.All that to say that I hope you realize that you're doing the exact same thing as the people you obviously despise.
I do recognize you won't be able to handle the cognitive dissonance of this idea and my typing has been a waste of a couple minutes, but I thought I'd point it out anyways, just for the heck of it.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30622484</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1262449740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>No liberal or leftist government would attack the consumption of adult pornography. (Nor would they even care.)</p></div><p>How do you explain the feminists who attack pornography as something objectifying women? And while China probably isn't a liberal government, I doubt the claim that it isn't leftist.</p></div>
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<tokenext>No liberal or leftist government would attack the consumption of adult pornography .
( Nor would they even care .
) How do you explain the feminists who attack pornography as something objectifying women ?
And while China probably is n't a liberal government , I doubt the claim that it is n't leftist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No liberal or leftist government would attack the consumption of adult pornography.
(Nor would they even care.
)How do you explain the feminists who attack pornography as something objectifying women?
And while China probably isn't a liberal government, I doubt the claim that it isn't leftist.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30622826</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262451840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>How about the one-child policy, which causes Chinese to prefer male children, to the point where female children are abandoned or "accidentally" killed? You'd think that would demean women.</i></p><p>How dare you say that! Are you anti-choice?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about the one-child policy , which causes Chinese to prefer male children , to the point where female children are abandoned or " accidentally " killed ?
You 'd think that would demean women.How dare you say that !
Are you anti-choice ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about the one-child policy, which causes Chinese to prefer male children, to the point where female children are abandoned or "accidentally" killed?
You'd think that would demean women.How dare you say that!
Are you anti-choice?
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621036</id>
	<title>Reward?</title>
	<author>MrDoh!</author>
	<datestamp>1262432100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can anyone claim the reward? or do we have to be in China?<br>I'm sure I could rummage around my bookmarks for a few choice sites.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can anyone claim the reward ?
or do we have to be in China ? I 'm sure I could rummage around my bookmarks for a few choice sites .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can anyone claim the reward?
or do we have to be in China?I'm sure I could rummage around my bookmarks for a few choice sites.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621486</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1262439000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As an American living in China, it pains me to see this sort of hysterical nonsense on Slashdot all the time. China is the new Evil Empire, apparently.</p></div><p>Not really. China is the <em>old</em> Evil Empire.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Then again, maybe the U.S. should "pre-empt" their errors, and save China from the Chinese.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P</p></div><p>If China is truly determined to industrialize without any thought to emissions, then perhaps the world should save the world from China.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The basic reason that the Chinese do not allow porn is that they believe that it demeans women.</p></div><p>That's a bunch of horse shit. Chinese culture is demeaning to women. I've had to sit through several rants on sexism in China. As a result of sexism in China, there are over 25 million excess males of military/breeding age, and another 25 million on the way, for whom there are no women. No nation's women prefer Chinese men, including China (the same is true of Thailand... another nation with fascism encoded in law.) China is going to have to have a war, or get very gay.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>It explains quite a bit about the role of government in China and how the West has gotten it wrong with predicting that China would become more like them (developing a rights tradition, embracing democracy, etc.).</p></div><p>China has become more like the US in that they are becoming more consumerist as they gain access to money to buy their own shitty, polluting crap which formerly has been the exclusive domain of the rest of the world. Over time, their desire for more shiny gewgaws likely will produce a more capitalistic society. Appealing to human greed rarely fails. An industrialized society provides new opportunities to hide criminal behavior.</p></div>
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<tokenext>As an American living in China , it pains me to see this sort of hysterical nonsense on Slashdot all the time .
China is the new Evil Empire , apparently.Not really .
China is the old Evil Empire.Then again , maybe the U.S. should " pre-empt " their errors , and save China from the Chinese .
: -PIf China is truly determined to industrialize without any thought to emissions , then perhaps the world should save the world from China.The basic reason that the Chinese do not allow porn is that they believe that it demeans women.That 's a bunch of horse shit .
Chinese culture is demeaning to women .
I 've had to sit through several rants on sexism in China .
As a result of sexism in China , there are over 25 million excess males of military/breeding age , and another 25 million on the way , for whom there are no women .
No nation 's women prefer Chinese men , including China ( the same is true of Thailand... another nation with fascism encoded in law .
) China is going to have to have a war , or get very gay.It explains quite a bit about the role of government in China and how the West has gotten it wrong with predicting that China would become more like them ( developing a rights tradition , embracing democracy , etc .
) .China has become more like the US in that they are becoming more consumerist as they gain access to money to buy their own shitty , polluting crap which formerly has been the exclusive domain of the rest of the world .
Over time , their desire for more shiny gewgaws likely will produce a more capitalistic society .
Appealing to human greed rarely fails .
An industrialized society provides new opportunities to hide criminal behavior .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an American living in China, it pains me to see this sort of hysterical nonsense on Slashdot all the time.
China is the new Evil Empire, apparently.Not really.
China is the old Evil Empire.Then again, maybe the U.S. should "pre-empt" their errors, and save China from the Chinese.
:-PIf China is truly determined to industrialize without any thought to emissions, then perhaps the world should save the world from China.The basic reason that the Chinese do not allow porn is that they believe that it demeans women.That's a bunch of horse shit.
Chinese culture is demeaning to women.
I've had to sit through several rants on sexism in China.
As a result of sexism in China, there are over 25 million excess males of military/breeding age, and another 25 million on the way, for whom there are no women.
No nation's women prefer Chinese men, including China (the same is true of Thailand... another nation with fascism encoded in law.
) China is going to have to have a war, or get very gay.It explains quite a bit about the role of government in China and how the West has gotten it wrong with predicting that China would become more like them (developing a rights tradition, embracing democracy, etc.
).China has become more like the US in that they are becoming more consumerist as they gain access to money to buy their own shitty, polluting crap which formerly has been the exclusive domain of the rest of the world.
Over time, their desire for more shiny gewgaws likely will produce a more capitalistic society.
Appealing to human greed rarely fails.
An industrialized society provides new opportunities to hide criminal behavior.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30637470</id>
	<title>Re:I don't understand</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1262539560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>As the wise Dr. Cox once said: "I am fairly sure that if they took porn off the Internet, there would only be one website left, and it would be called 'Bring back the porn'."</p></div></blockquote><p>

Actually it was Ron White, but hey, all good comedy is plagiarism.</p></div>
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<tokenext>As the wise Dr. Cox once said : " I am fairly sure that if they took porn off the Internet , there would only be one website left , and it would be called 'Bring back the porn' .
" Actually it was Ron White , but hey , all good comedy is plagiarism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As the wise Dr. Cox once said: "I am fairly sure that if they took porn off the Internet, there would only be one website left, and it would be called 'Bring back the porn'.
"

Actually it was Ron White, but hey, all good comedy is plagiarism.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621564</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262440500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Weird. You start saying "it's stupid to call China fascist, because...", then you proceed to describe one damn reactionary culture.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Weird .
You start saying " it 's stupid to call China fascist , because... " , then you proceed to describe one damn reactionary culture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Weird.
You start saying "it's stupid to call China fascist, because...", then you proceed to describe one damn reactionary culture.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30620982</id>
	<title>I'm ever so thankful</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262431140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>God bless the USA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>God bless the USA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>God bless the USA.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30629354</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>ps2os2</author>
	<datestamp>1262454660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes its failed just about everywhere its been tried. The Chinese people are entirely different than anyplace else in the world.<br>Chinese people have been for hundreds (thousands?) of years been taught that authority is "king" you do not question authority.<br>It will be interesting to see how long it will last in China, all bets are off as I said above Chinese people are quite different than *ANYPLACE* else in the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes its failed just about everywhere its been tried .
The Chinese people are entirely different than anyplace else in the world.Chinese people have been for hundreds ( thousands ?
) of years been taught that authority is " king " you do not question authority.It will be interesting to see how long it will last in China , all bets are off as I said above Chinese people are quite different than * ANYPLACE * else in the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes its failed just about everywhere its been tried.
The Chinese people are entirely different than anyplace else in the world.Chinese people have been for hundreds (thousands?
) of years been taught that authority is "king" you do not question authority.It will be interesting to see how long it will last in China, all bets are off as I said above Chinese people are quite different than *ANYPLACE* else in the world.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30639210</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262608320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>[...] you and most other westerners do not understand Chinese civilization or the role that government has traditionally played in it.</i></p><p>Porn is legal in Taiwan, where Chinese people elect their government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>[ ... ] you and most other westerners do not understand Chinese civilization or the role that government has traditionally played in it.Porn is legal in Taiwan , where Chinese people elect their government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[...] you and most other westerners do not understand Chinese civilization or the role that government has traditionally played in it.Porn is legal in Taiwan, where Chinese people elect their government.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621142</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>plasticsquirrel</author>
	<datestamp>1262433780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>As an American living in China, it pains me to see this sort of hysterical nonsense on Slashdot all the time. China is the new Evil Empire, apparently. Scream "fascist" all you want, but you and most other westerners do not understand Chinese civilization or the role that government has traditionally played in it. Then again, maybe the U.S. should "pre-empt" their errors, and save China from the Chinese.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P<br> <br>The basic reason that the Chinese do not allow porn is that they believe that it demeans women. This goes back to the revolution, in which women were eager to participate to get some basic equality with men. You can argue that women have a choice, but in poor provinces, you can bet that it would be akin to prostitution, where young women are basically forced into the lifestyle because they have no other options.<br> <br>Chinese society is quite conservative about sex, or at least it has that appearance. For example, it isn't unheard of to hear of a foreigner beaten into a coma for deflowering local girls. In a country where virginity is prized and sex can almost be like a contract for marriage, that sort of thing isn't taken lightly. In the same way, if Chinese people think their women are being debased (as in porn), they tend to get very angry.<br> <br>I am not going to try to explain 5000 years of Chinese civilization to you, or explain every way that it is different from the West, but I would encourage Slashdotters to read this article from the LA Times. It explains quite a bit about the role of government in China and how the West has gotten it wrong with predicting that China would become more like them (developing a rights tradition, embracing democracy, etc.).<br> <br>Article: <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-jacques22-2009nov22,0,6682428.story" title="latimes.com">Understanding China</a> [latimes.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>As an American living in China , it pains me to see this sort of hysterical nonsense on Slashdot all the time .
China is the new Evil Empire , apparently .
Scream " fascist " all you want , but you and most other westerners do not understand Chinese civilization or the role that government has traditionally played in it .
Then again , maybe the U.S. should " pre-empt " their errors , and save China from the Chinese .
: -P The basic reason that the Chinese do not allow porn is that they believe that it demeans women .
This goes back to the revolution , in which women were eager to participate to get some basic equality with men .
You can argue that women have a choice , but in poor provinces , you can bet that it would be akin to prostitution , where young women are basically forced into the lifestyle because they have no other options .
Chinese society is quite conservative about sex , or at least it has that appearance .
For example , it is n't unheard of to hear of a foreigner beaten into a coma for deflowering local girls .
In a country where virginity is prized and sex can almost be like a contract for marriage , that sort of thing is n't taken lightly .
In the same way , if Chinese people think their women are being debased ( as in porn ) , they tend to get very angry .
I am not going to try to explain 5000 years of Chinese civilization to you , or explain every way that it is different from the West , but I would encourage Slashdotters to read this article from the LA Times .
It explains quite a bit about the role of government in China and how the West has gotten it wrong with predicting that China would become more like them ( developing a rights tradition , embracing democracy , etc. ) .
Article : Understanding China [ latimes.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an American living in China, it pains me to see this sort of hysterical nonsense on Slashdot all the time.
China is the new Evil Empire, apparently.
Scream "fascist" all you want, but you and most other westerners do not understand Chinese civilization or the role that government has traditionally played in it.
Then again, maybe the U.S. should "pre-empt" their errors, and save China from the Chinese.
:-P The basic reason that the Chinese do not allow porn is that they believe that it demeans women.
This goes back to the revolution, in which women were eager to participate to get some basic equality with men.
You can argue that women have a choice, but in poor provinces, you can bet that it would be akin to prostitution, where young women are basically forced into the lifestyle because they have no other options.
Chinese society is quite conservative about sex, or at least it has that appearance.
For example, it isn't unheard of to hear of a foreigner beaten into a coma for deflowering local girls.
In a country where virginity is prized and sex can almost be like a contract for marriage, that sort of thing isn't taken lightly.
In the same way, if Chinese people think their women are being debased (as in porn), they tend to get very angry.
I am not going to try to explain 5000 years of Chinese civilization to you, or explain every way that it is different from the West, but I would encourage Slashdotters to read this article from the LA Times.
It explains quite a bit about the role of government in China and how the West has gotten it wrong with predicting that China would become more like them (developing a rights tradition, embracing democracy, etc.).
Article: Understanding China [latimes.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621642</id>
	<title>Re:1000 Yuan</title>
	<author>IrquiM</author>
	<datestamp>1262441580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And $146.50 is like 8-900 NOKs, or a slow night out!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And $ 146.50 is like 8-900 NOKs , or a slow night out !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And $146.50 is like 8-900 NOKs, or a slow night out!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621232</id>
	<title>Re:I'm ever so thankful</title>
	<author>superflit</author>
	<datestamp>1262434980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amen!!!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amen ! ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amen!!!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30624184</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262458740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"No liberal or leftist government would attack the consumption of adult pornography."</p><p>Feminazis are leftists and are against porn, aren't they? It seems to me that the problem is trying to make the political spectrum only 1-dimensional.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" No liberal or leftist government would attack the consumption of adult pornography .
" Feminazis are leftists and are against porn , are n't they ?
It seems to me that the problem is trying to make the political spectrum only 1-dimensional .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"No liberal or leftist government would attack the consumption of adult pornography.
"Feminazis are leftists and are against porn, aren't they?
It seems to me that the problem is trying to make the political spectrum only 1-dimensional.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30624092</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262458320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are a goddamn moron if you really think that is why they want to get rid of porn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are a goddamn moron if you really think that is why they want to get rid of porn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are a goddamn moron if you really think that is why they want to get rid of porn.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30624386</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262459820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"cream "fascist" all you want, but you and most other westerners do not understand Chinese civilization or the role that government has traditionally played in it."</p><p>It doesn't matter what role the Chinese government has "traditionally" played. The role they are currently playing is abhorrent, regardless of what Chinese culture of history says.</p><p>"The basic reason that the Chinese do not allow porn is that they believe that it demeans women."</p><p>I do not care what the Chinese believe. Regardless of what they believe, arresting someone for filming or viewing porn is wrong.</p><p>"<br>Chinese society is quite conservative about sex, or at least it has that appearance."</p><p>Must I continue with this? I do not give a rat's ass about what is common in 'Chinese society.' It still stands, on the grounds of ethics, that the Chinese government is doing something very wrong.</p><p>"For example, it isn't unheard of to hear of a foreigner beaten into a coma for deflowering local girls. "</p><p>That's horrifying and barbaric. They should be ashamed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" cream " fascist " all you want , but you and most other westerners do not understand Chinese civilization or the role that government has traditionally played in it .
" It does n't matter what role the Chinese government has " traditionally " played .
The role they are currently playing is abhorrent , regardless of what Chinese culture of history says .
" The basic reason that the Chinese do not allow porn is that they believe that it demeans women .
" I do not care what the Chinese believe .
Regardless of what they believe , arresting someone for filming or viewing porn is wrong .
" Chinese society is quite conservative about sex , or at least it has that appearance .
" Must I continue with this ?
I do not give a rat 's ass about what is common in 'Chinese society .
' It still stands , on the grounds of ethics , that the Chinese government is doing something very wrong .
" For example , it is n't unheard of to hear of a foreigner beaten into a coma for deflowering local girls .
" That 's horrifying and barbaric .
They should be ashamed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"cream "fascist" all you want, but you and most other westerners do not understand Chinese civilization or the role that government has traditionally played in it.
"It doesn't matter what role the Chinese government has "traditionally" played.
The role they are currently playing is abhorrent, regardless of what Chinese culture of history says.
"The basic reason that the Chinese do not allow porn is that they believe that it demeans women.
"I do not care what the Chinese believe.
Regardless of what they believe, arresting someone for filming or viewing porn is wrong.
"Chinese society is quite conservative about sex, or at least it has that appearance.
"Must I continue with this?
I do not give a rat's ass about what is common in 'Chinese society.
' It still stands, on the grounds of ethics, that the Chinese government is doing something very wrong.
"For example, it isn't unheard of to hear of a foreigner beaten into a coma for deflowering local girls.
"That's horrifying and barbaric.
They should be ashamed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621080</id>
	<title>Jail all the Activists !</title>
	<author>eulernet</author>
	<datestamp>1262432760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Only the activists search for porn on the Internet.</p><p>Officials are encouraged for morality:<br><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/14/chinese-officials-told-to\_n\_358021.html" title="huffingtonpost.com">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/14/chinese-officials-told-to\_n\_358021.html</a> [huffingtonpost.com]</p><p>And for all whose who want to get free porn, they surely search for <b>freedom</b>, so they are potential activists.</p><p>It will be difficult to find online chinese porn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only the activists search for porn on the Internet.Officials are encouraged for morality : http : //www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/14/chinese-officials-told-to \ _n \ _358021.html [ huffingtonpost.com ] And for all whose who want to get free porn , they surely search for freedom , so they are potential activists.It will be difficult to find online chinese porn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only the activists search for porn on the Internet.Officials are encouraged for morality:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/14/chinese-officials-told-to\_n\_358021.html [huffingtonpost.com]And for all whose who want to get free porn, they surely search for freedom, so they are potential activists.It will be difficult to find online chinese porn.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30625340</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>Kinjin</author>
	<datestamp>1262465640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is nothing new about the Chinese government doing evil things. So living over there has either kept you out of touch with reality, or you are knee deep in the kool aid.</p><p>The assertions you make are simply invalid. If the Chinese people really believe what you claim there wouldn't be anyone to arrest because to begin with no one would be watching porn.</p><p>Unless you mean there are a bunch of Chinese out there watching porn, angry with themselves for how it "demeans" woman while beating themselves into a coma... oh wait.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is nothing new about the Chinese government doing evil things .
So living over there has either kept you out of touch with reality , or you are knee deep in the kool aid.The assertions you make are simply invalid .
If the Chinese people really believe what you claim there would n't be anyone to arrest because to begin with no one would be watching porn.Unless you mean there are a bunch of Chinese out there watching porn , angry with themselves for how it " demeans " woman while beating themselves into a coma... oh wait .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is nothing new about the Chinese government doing evil things.
So living over there has either kept you out of touch with reality, or you are knee deep in the kool aid.The assertions you make are simply invalid.
If the Chinese people really believe what you claim there wouldn't be anyone to arrest because to begin with no one would be watching porn.Unless you mean there are a bunch of Chinese out there watching porn, angry with themselves for how it "demeans" woman while beating themselves into a coma... oh wait.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621934</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1262444700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The basic reason that the Chinese do not allow porn is that they believe that it demeans women.</i></p><p>Porn crackdowns in countries like the UK and US are made with exactly the same claim - "it demeans women". That still doesn't make it a valid argument for criminalising images of consenting adults. Why should China be any different?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The basic reason that the Chinese do not allow porn is that they believe that it demeans women.Porn crackdowns in countries like the UK and US are made with exactly the same claim - " it demeans women " .
That still does n't make it a valid argument for criminalising images of consenting adults .
Why should China be any different ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The basic reason that the Chinese do not allow porn is that they believe that it demeans women.Porn crackdowns in countries like the UK and US are made with exactly the same claim - "it demeans women".
That still doesn't make it a valid argument for criminalising images of consenting adults.
Why should China be any different?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30625430</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>jmkelly</author>
	<datestamp>1262422920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suppose the same can be said of conservative Muslims (e.g., the governments of Saudi Arabia and Iran) and fundamentalist Christians in the USA: they hate porn because they revere women. And yet the status of women in those societies -- in all strata -- is generally lower, their freedoms more curtailed, than in societies where porn is tolerated, e.g. Denmark, Sweden, Germany.</p><p>I don't deny that much porn demeans women. But in the real world, crusades against porn and oppression of women more often than not coexist, and are even run by the same people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suppose the same can be said of conservative Muslims ( e.g. , the governments of Saudi Arabia and Iran ) and fundamentalist Christians in the USA : they hate porn because they revere women .
And yet the status of women in those societies -- in all strata -- is generally lower , their freedoms more curtailed , than in societies where porn is tolerated , e.g .
Denmark , Sweden , Germany.I do n't deny that much porn demeans women .
But in the real world , crusades against porn and oppression of women more often than not coexist , and are even run by the same people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suppose the same can be said of conservative Muslims (e.g., the governments of Saudi Arabia and Iran) and fundamentalist Christians in the USA: they hate porn because they revere women.
And yet the status of women in those societies -- in all strata -- is generally lower, their freedoms more curtailed, than in societies where porn is tolerated, e.g.
Denmark, Sweden, Germany.I don't deny that much porn demeans women.
But in the real world, crusades against porn and oppression of women more often than not coexist, and are even run by the same people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621198</id>
	<title>Re:1000 Yuan</title>
	<author>XorNand</author>
	<datestamp>1262434500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah but the average Chinese is poorer than the average American. 1000 yuan is like the US government giving a citizen about $1100 for turning someone in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah but the average Chinese is poorer than the average American .
1000 yuan is like the US government giving a citizen about $ 1100 for turning someone in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah but the average Chinese is poorer than the average American.
1000 yuan is like the US government giving a citizen about $1100 for turning someone in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621174</id>
	<title>Re:1000 Yuan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262434260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The direct exchange rate is not nearly as interesting as actual buying power that reward represents to the average person in China. I haven't studied economics, so someone can totally call me out on this, but it looks like purchasing power of the US is roughly eight times that of China, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_GDP\_(PPP)\_per\_capita" title="wikipedia.org">according to the Wikipedia</a> [wikipedia.org]. Based on this slightly-informed conclusion, it appears that the reward is roughly 1,172 USD, 1,233 CAD, 725 GBP, or 818 EUR. That number seems much more persuasive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The direct exchange rate is not nearly as interesting as actual buying power that reward represents to the average person in China .
I have n't studied economics , so someone can totally call me out on this , but it looks like purchasing power of the US is roughly eight times that of China , according to the Wikipedia [ wikipedia.org ] .
Based on this slightly-informed conclusion , it appears that the reward is roughly 1,172 USD , 1,233 CAD , 725 GBP , or 818 EUR .
That number seems much more persuasive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The direct exchange rate is not nearly as interesting as actual buying power that reward represents to the average person in China.
I haven't studied economics, so someone can totally call me out on this, but it looks like purchasing power of the US is roughly eight times that of China, according to the Wikipedia [wikipedia.org].
Based on this slightly-informed conclusion, it appears that the reward is roughly 1,172 USD, 1,233 CAD, 725 GBP, or 818 EUR.
That number seems much more persuasive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621010</id>
	<title>I don't understand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262431620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is this strange concept, the Internet without porn? Maybe the meaning of "the Internet" was lost in translation for the Chinese.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is this strange concept , the Internet without porn ?
Maybe the meaning of " the Internet " was lost in translation for the Chinese .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is this strange concept, the Internet without porn?
Maybe the meaning of "the Internet" was lost in translation for the Chinese.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30623860</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>willis</author>
	<datestamp>1262457180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Chinese society is quite conservative about sex, or at least it has that appearance. For example, it isn't unheard of to hear of a foreigner beaten into a coma for deflowering local girls. In a country where virginity is prized and sex can almost be like a contract for marriage, that sort of thing isn't taken lightly. In the same way, if Chinese people think their women are being debased (as in porn), they tend to get very angry.</p>
 </div><p>I hear you re: western fear mongers, but some of your stuff is WAY off base.  In particular, prostitution is a big business in China -- lots of hair salons (especially near army bases, but anywhere busy), KTV salons (not the ones that foreigners typically go to), and Yezonghui "night clubs" have some sort of prostitution going on.  There's a reason why waiters in restaurants are now called "fuwuyuan" instead of "xiaojie" -- too many connotations.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Chinese society is quite conservative about sex , or at least it has that appearance .
For example , it is n't unheard of to hear of a foreigner beaten into a coma for deflowering local girls .
In a country where virginity is prized and sex can almost be like a contract for marriage , that sort of thing is n't taken lightly .
In the same way , if Chinese people think their women are being debased ( as in porn ) , they tend to get very angry .
I hear you re : western fear mongers , but some of your stuff is WAY off base .
In particular , prostitution is a big business in China -- lots of hair salons ( especially near army bases , but anywhere busy ) , KTV salons ( not the ones that foreigners typically go to ) , and Yezonghui " night clubs " have some sort of prostitution going on .
There 's a reason why waiters in restaurants are now called " fuwuyuan " instead of " xiaojie " -- too many connotations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chinese society is quite conservative about sex, or at least it has that appearance.
For example, it isn't unheard of to hear of a foreigner beaten into a coma for deflowering local girls.
In a country where virginity is prized and sex can almost be like a contract for marriage, that sort of thing isn't taken lightly.
In the same way, if Chinese people think their women are being debased (as in porn), they tend to get very angry.
I hear you re: western fear mongers, but some of your stuff is WAY off base.
In particular, prostitution is a big business in China -- lots of hair salons (especially near army bases, but anywhere busy), KTV salons (not the ones that foreigners typically go to), and Yezonghui "night clubs" have some sort of prostitution going on.
There's a reason why waiters in restaurants are now called "fuwuyuan" instead of "xiaojie" -- too many connotations.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621188</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>mindbrane</author>
	<datestamp>1262434380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I recently finished an excellent set of Yale uni Online lectures by R Wyman titled  "Global Population and Biological Development". In one of the later lectures Professor Wyman reported on first hand experiences of scientist working in China investigating birth control programmes both as to their implementation and efficacy. In an earlier lecture he made the point that the current Chinese government has been able to convince the general population that the Chinese state exists as a viable entity. This point is interesting in light of reports by people working in China reporting on various birth control programmes. The gist of the reports was that the central government made sweeping claims and policy implementations that when translated, implemented and reported by the various districts came out in the wash as markedly different from the original proclamations made by the central government. Locally people seem in large measure to implement such policies as they see fit and to colour reports back to the central government to placate central control agencies.
</p><p>Chinese history is a history of warring states so much so that I'm not able to subscribe to Professor Wyman claim that China has attained unification. Taiwan stands out as a stark example in terms of how young the mainland state is. I recall the Chinese government is only about 60 years old and faces an economic reality that greatly flies in the face of it's communist posture. A central regime that broadcasts slogans like "Purity and Harmony" and implements draconian practices to influence it's population on the level of their sexual drive smacks of desperation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recently finished an excellent set of Yale uni Online lectures by R Wyman titled " Global Population and Biological Development " .
In one of the later lectures Professor Wyman reported on first hand experiences of scientist working in China investigating birth control programmes both as to their implementation and efficacy .
In an earlier lecture he made the point that the current Chinese government has been able to convince the general population that the Chinese state exists as a viable entity .
This point is interesting in light of reports by people working in China reporting on various birth control programmes .
The gist of the reports was that the central government made sweeping claims and policy implementations that when translated , implemented and reported by the various districts came out in the wash as markedly different from the original proclamations made by the central government .
Locally people seem in large measure to implement such policies as they see fit and to colour reports back to the central government to placate central control agencies .
Chinese history is a history of warring states so much so that I 'm not able to subscribe to Professor Wyman claim that China has attained unification .
Taiwan stands out as a stark example in terms of how young the mainland state is .
I recall the Chinese government is only about 60 years old and faces an economic reality that greatly flies in the face of it 's communist posture .
A central regime that broadcasts slogans like " Purity and Harmony " and implements draconian practices to influence it 's population on the level of their sexual drive smacks of desperation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recently finished an excellent set of Yale uni Online lectures by R Wyman titled  "Global Population and Biological Development".
In one of the later lectures Professor Wyman reported on first hand experiences of scientist working in China investigating birth control programmes both as to their implementation and efficacy.
In an earlier lecture he made the point that the current Chinese government has been able to convince the general population that the Chinese state exists as a viable entity.
This point is interesting in light of reports by people working in China reporting on various birth control programmes.
The gist of the reports was that the central government made sweeping claims and policy implementations that when translated, implemented and reported by the various districts came out in the wash as markedly different from the original proclamations made by the central government.
Locally people seem in large measure to implement such policies as they see fit and to colour reports back to the central government to placate central control agencies.
Chinese history is a history of warring states so much so that I'm not able to subscribe to Professor Wyman claim that China has attained unification.
Taiwan stands out as a stark example in terms of how young the mainland state is.
I recall the Chinese government is only about 60 years old and faces an economic reality that greatly flies in the face of it's communist posture.
A central regime that broadcasts slogans like "Purity and Harmony" and implements draconian practices to influence it's population on the level of their sexual drive smacks of desperation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621150</id>
	<title>Re:I'm ever so thankful</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262433840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Most people are fools, most authority is malignant, God does not exist, and everything is wrong. "</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Most people are fools , most authority is malignant , God does not exist , and everything is wrong .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Most people are fools, most authority is malignant, God does not exist, and everything is wrong.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30629294</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>tragedy</author>
	<datestamp>1262453700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would have to say that treating womens sexuality as a treasure owned not by her, but by her family and society, which is what you're really talking about here, is typically just another way of demeaning women. Pornography, prostitution and promiscuity (how alliterative) are fairly divisive issues even among feminists. Some feminists take an absolutist approach and insist that a women's ability to choose to participate in such is a form of empowerment, whereas others see some or all of those things as demeaning and damaging. Frankly though, I don't think feminists from either camp would actually agree with you that China's porn crackdown is really about defending the rights of women. My personal point of view is that the social harm from such things is almost always less than the harm from criminalizing them.<br>Anyway, this is all irrelevant. The real question is, is anyone being prosecuted/persecuted in this mess for pure male/male homosexual porn. If there's even one, then it puts the lie to your theory that this is all about protecting women from being demeaned.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would have to say that treating womens sexuality as a treasure owned not by her , but by her family and society , which is what you 're really talking about here , is typically just another way of demeaning women .
Pornography , prostitution and promiscuity ( how alliterative ) are fairly divisive issues even among feminists .
Some feminists take an absolutist approach and insist that a women 's ability to choose to participate in such is a form of empowerment , whereas others see some or all of those things as demeaning and damaging .
Frankly though , I do n't think feminists from either camp would actually agree with you that China 's porn crackdown is really about defending the rights of women .
My personal point of view is that the social harm from such things is almost always less than the harm from criminalizing them.Anyway , this is all irrelevant .
The real question is , is anyone being prosecuted/persecuted in this mess for pure male/male homosexual porn .
If there 's even one , then it puts the lie to your theory that this is all about protecting women from being demeaned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would have to say that treating womens sexuality as a treasure owned not by her, but by her family and society, which is what you're really talking about here, is typically just another way of demeaning women.
Pornography, prostitution and promiscuity (how alliterative) are fairly divisive issues even among feminists.
Some feminists take an absolutist approach and insist that a women's ability to choose to participate in such is a form of empowerment, whereas others see some or all of those things as demeaning and damaging.
Frankly though, I don't think feminists from either camp would actually agree with you that China's porn crackdown is really about defending the rights of women.
My personal point of view is that the social harm from such things is almost always less than the harm from criminalizing them.Anyway, this is all irrelevant.
The real question is, is anyone being prosecuted/persecuted in this mess for pure male/male homosexual porn.
If there's even one, then it puts the lie to your theory that this is all about protecting women from being demeaned.</sentencetext>
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	<title>It's not China's fault they are on top, face it...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262441460000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Amen to what you said:</p><p>It amazes me at some of the stupidity of my own "tribe" here in the U.S.A. (sometimes), in fact.</p><p>I don't think many of them realize that those folks in China have held onto their lands as a nation for 5,000++ yrs., &amp; had sciences and technology that was fairly impressive whilst we still lived in caves!</p><p>They're nobody to disrespect, or, to take lightly. Only fools do that... &amp; I am actually sorry to say this, but, the U.S.A.? Has plenty of fools (like any nation really).</p><p>APK</p><p>P.S.=&gt; Besides, look @ the Chinese lately: They're beating our asses into the dirt, and on MANY grounds... perhaps, rightfully so, but I think they even realize it's NOT us "regular folks" @ fault in the U.S.A., but rather our "leaders" ("KoRpOrAtE AmErIkA") really.</p><p>They KNEW &amp; took advantage of STUPID GREEDY MORONS @ THE WHEEL (corporate scumbags) HERE IN THE USA, WHO REALLY "MAKE THE LAWS HERE", instead of the regular people doing it - they just took advantage of their stupidity, &amp; look who's on top now? China.</p><p>Mainly due to the greedy swine like Bernie Madoff &amp; our "fiat money" based "FEDERAL RESERVE BANKING SYSTEM" (which is ANYTHING BUT FEDERAL mind you - it's a consortium of bankers, only) via the hedgefund scandal + other investments in Chinese workers monies. Those dolts GOT PLAYED by a far wiser, &amp; far smarter + older more mature culture... like idiots who think they are "clever" usually do in the end.</p><p>BUT, this is what we get, when we hire on "MBA's", instead of "hiring from within the ranks" to lead our corporations.</p><p>It makes me sad actually: The U.S.A. has truly intelligent &amp; skilled people, but instead? Well, we get "frat boys" &amp; asskissers who "belong to the right party" &amp;/or "Clique", who 'take over', &amp; are ANYTHING but qualified to do so (or, do the results of this last decade prove me wrong? Don't think so)... apk</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amen to what you said : It amazes me at some of the stupidity of my own " tribe " here in the U.S.A. ( sometimes ) , in fact.I do n't think many of them realize that those folks in China have held onto their lands as a nation for 5,000 + + yrs. , &amp; had sciences and technology that was fairly impressive whilst we still lived in caves ! They 're nobody to disrespect , or , to take lightly .
Only fools do that... &amp; I am actually sorry to say this , but , the U.S.A. ?
Has plenty of fools ( like any nation really ) .APKP.S. = &gt; Besides , look @ the Chinese lately : They 're beating our asses into the dirt , and on MANY grounds... perhaps , rightfully so , but I think they even realize it 's NOT us " regular folks " @ fault in the U.S.A. , but rather our " leaders " ( " KoRpOrAtE AmErIkA " ) really.They KNEW &amp; took advantage of STUPID GREEDY MORONS @ THE WHEEL ( corporate scumbags ) HERE IN THE USA , WHO REALLY " MAKE THE LAWS HERE " , instead of the regular people doing it - they just took advantage of their stupidity , &amp; look who 's on top now ?
China.Mainly due to the greedy swine like Bernie Madoff &amp; our " fiat money " based " FEDERAL RESERVE BANKING SYSTEM " ( which is ANYTHING BUT FEDERAL mind you - it 's a consortium of bankers , only ) via the hedgefund scandal + other investments in Chinese workers monies .
Those dolts GOT PLAYED by a far wiser , &amp; far smarter + older more mature culture... like idiots who think they are " clever " usually do in the end.BUT , this is what we get , when we hire on " MBA 's " , instead of " hiring from within the ranks " to lead our corporations.It makes me sad actually : The U.S.A. has truly intelligent &amp; skilled people , but instead ?
Well , we get " frat boys " &amp; asskissers who " belong to the right party " &amp;/or " Clique " , who 'take over ' , &amp; are ANYTHING but qualified to do so ( or , do the results of this last decade prove me wrong ?
Do n't think so ) ... apk</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amen to what you said:It amazes me at some of the stupidity of my own "tribe" here in the U.S.A. (sometimes), in fact.I don't think many of them realize that those folks in China have held onto their lands as a nation for 5,000++ yrs., &amp; had sciences and technology that was fairly impressive whilst we still lived in caves!They're nobody to disrespect, or, to take lightly.
Only fools do that... &amp; I am actually sorry to say this, but, the U.S.A.?
Has plenty of fools (like any nation really).APKP.S.=&gt; Besides, look @ the Chinese lately: They're beating our asses into the dirt, and on MANY grounds... perhaps, rightfully so, but I think they even realize it's NOT us "regular folks" @ fault in the U.S.A., but rather our "leaders" ("KoRpOrAtE AmErIkA") really.They KNEW &amp; took advantage of STUPID GREEDY MORONS @ THE WHEEL (corporate scumbags) HERE IN THE USA, WHO REALLY "MAKE THE LAWS HERE", instead of the regular people doing it - they just took advantage of their stupidity, &amp; look who's on top now?
China.Mainly due to the greedy swine like Bernie Madoff &amp; our "fiat money" based "FEDERAL RESERVE BANKING SYSTEM" (which is ANYTHING BUT FEDERAL mind you - it's a consortium of bankers, only) via the hedgefund scandal + other investments in Chinese workers monies.
Those dolts GOT PLAYED by a far wiser, &amp; far smarter + older more mature culture... like idiots who think they are "clever" usually do in the end.BUT, this is what we get, when we hire on "MBA's", instead of "hiring from within the ranks" to lead our corporations.It makes me sad actually: The U.S.A. has truly intelligent &amp; skilled people, but instead?
Well, we get "frat boys" &amp; asskissers who "belong to the right party" &amp;/or "Clique", who 'take over', &amp; are ANYTHING but qualified to do so (or, do the results of this last decade prove me wrong?
Don't think so)... apk</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621254</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262435340000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>too many big words<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>too many big words . .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>too many big words ..</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621140</id>
	<title>Re:I don't understand</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1262433720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The people left on an internet without porn would be quite bored. Both of them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The people left on an internet without porn would be quite bored .
Both of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The people left on an internet without porn would be quite bored.
Both of them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30625060</id>
	<title>Re:The Less Porn the Better</title>
	<author>ObsessiveMathsFreak</author>
	<datestamp>1262464020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If we were truly honest about porn it would come with a mental health warning.</p></div></blockquote><p>I turned on the television a few nights ago and watched Clint Eastwood beat three men unconscious with a axe butt and then casually remark that "you can't beat a good piece of hickory". Should that have come with a mental health warning too?</p></div>
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<tokenext>If we were truly honest about porn it would come with a mental health warning.I turned on the television a few nights ago and watched Clint Eastwood beat three men unconscious with a axe butt and then casually remark that " you ca n't beat a good piece of hickory " .
Should that have come with a mental health warning too ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we were truly honest about porn it would come with a mental health warning.I turned on the television a few nights ago and watched Clint Eastwood beat three men unconscious with a axe butt and then casually remark that "you can't beat a good piece of hickory".
Should that have come with a mental health warning too?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621408</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>NecroPuppy</author>
	<datestamp>1262437620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><i>The basic reason that the Chinese do not allow porn is that they believe that it demeans women.</i></p><p>And China's deification of Mao, who preferred young women (we'd consider him a pedophile) didn't demean women?  (The New Emperors: China in the Era of Mao and Deng)</p><p>How about the one-child policy, which causes Chinese to prefer male children, to the point where female children are abandoned or "accidentally" killed?  You'd think that would demean women.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The basic reason that the Chinese do not allow porn is that they believe that it demeans women.And China 's deification of Mao , who preferred young women ( we 'd consider him a pedophile ) did n't demean women ?
( The New Emperors : China in the Era of Mao and Deng ) How about the one-child policy , which causes Chinese to prefer male children , to the point where female children are abandoned or " accidentally " killed ?
You 'd think that would demean women .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The basic reason that the Chinese do not allow porn is that they believe that it demeans women.And China's deification of Mao, who preferred young women (we'd consider him a pedophile) didn't demean women?
(The New Emperors: China in the Era of Mao and Deng)How about the one-child policy, which causes Chinese to prefer male children, to the point where female children are abandoned or "accidentally" killed?
You'd think that would demean women.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30637990</id>
	<title>Re:I don't understand</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1262547120000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I write deep, intelligent comments. Comments that stir up reality as perceived. Things that I literally researched for years and thought about more than I can count. Insights that just stun me.</p><p>And THIS gets a +5, Insightful? Of all comments?? <em>THIS?</em></p><p>Guys... I hate you...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p><p>Here, there&rsquo;s something that deserves that score: <a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1495386&amp;cid=30621228" title="slashdot.org">http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1495386&amp;cid=30621228</a> [slashdot.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I write deep , intelligent comments .
Comments that stir up reality as perceived .
Things that I literally researched for years and thought about more than I can count .
Insights that just stun me.And THIS gets a + 5 , Insightful ?
Of all comments ? ?
THIS ? Guys... I hate you... : ( Here , there    s something that deserves that score : http : //slashdot.org/comments.pl ? sid = 1495386&amp;cid = 30621228 [ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I write deep, intelligent comments.
Comments that stir up reality as perceived.
Things that I literally researched for years and thought about more than I can count.
Insights that just stun me.And THIS gets a +5, Insightful?
Of all comments??
THIS?Guys... I hate you... :(Here, there’s something that deserves that score: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1495386&amp;cid=30621228 [slashdot.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30622800</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1262451720000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Chinese history is a history of warring states so much so that I'm not able to subscribe to Professor Wyman claim that China has attained unification.</p></div><p>It's also a history of unified empires. One isn't more typical than the other. How you view it seems more a matter of personal preference (the glass is "half full" versus "half empty") than any objective measure of Chinese society.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Chinese history is a history of warring states so much so that I 'm not able to subscribe to Professor Wyman claim that China has attained unification.It 's also a history of unified empires .
One is n't more typical than the other .
How you view it seems more a matter of personal preference ( the glass is " half full " versus " half empty " ) than any objective measure of Chinese society .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chinese history is a history of warring states so much so that I'm not able to subscribe to Professor Wyman claim that China has attained unification.It's also a history of unified empires.
One isn't more typical than the other.
How you view it seems more a matter of personal preference (the glass is "half full" versus "half empty") than any objective measure of Chinese society.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621630</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262441460000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i>Chinese society is quite conservative about sex, or at least it has that appearance.</i></p><p>You're right about the appearance bit...</p><p><i>For example, it isn't unheard of to hear of a foreigner <b>beaten into a coma</b> </i></p><p>That's what you call 'conservative'?</p><p><i>for <b>deflowering</b> local girls.</i></p><p>Looks like you're the conservative one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Chinese society is quite conservative about sex , or at least it has that appearance.You 're right about the appearance bit...For example , it is n't unheard of to hear of a foreigner beaten into a coma That 's what you call 'conservative ' ? for deflowering local girls.Looks like you 're the conservative one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chinese society is quite conservative about sex, or at least it has that appearance.You're right about the appearance bit...For example, it isn't unheard of to hear of a foreigner beaten into a coma That's what you call 'conservative'?for deflowering local girls.Looks like you're the conservative one.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30624172</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>greyhueofdoubt</author>
	<datestamp>1262458680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You can argue that women have a choice, but in poor provinces, you can bet that it would be akin to prostitution, where young women are basically forced into the lifestyle because they have no other options.</p></div><p>Compared to what women would normally do in poor provinces to get by?</p><p>I think that if China is worried about 'demeaning women', it should worry more about:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The lopsided male-female ratio is believed to be the result of female infanticide in a society that values boys and where most couples are allowed only one child.</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/mar/17/china.mainsection" title="guardian.co.uk">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/mar/17/china.mainsection</a> [guardian.co.uk]</p><p>Or</p><p><div class="quote"><p>"China is the only country where suicides among women outnumber men," Yang Fude, vice-president of Beijing Hui Long Guan Hospital, was quoted by the China Daily as saying.</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/idUST2878220070911" title="reuters.com">http://www.reuters.com/article/idUST2878220070911</a> [reuters.com]</p><p>I would like more substantial proof that women are being 'demeaned' by internet porn more than China's own disastrous social policies (which began in their current form long before the internet came about).</p><p>A quick search for 'rural chinese porn' (in english and chinese) showed nothing but story after story about China's porn crackdown and nothing even remotely resembling the subjugation of poor rural women.</p><p>More proof, please.</p><p>-b</p></div>
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<tokenext>You can argue that women have a choice , but in poor provinces , you can bet that it would be akin to prostitution , where young women are basically forced into the lifestyle because they have no other options.Compared to what women would normally do in poor provinces to get by ? I think that if China is worried about 'demeaning women ' , it should worry more about : The lopsided male-female ratio is believed to be the result of female infanticide in a society that values boys and where most couples are allowed only one child .
http : //www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/mar/17/china.mainsection [ guardian.co.uk ] Or " China is the only country where suicides among women outnumber men , " Yang Fude , vice-president of Beijing Hui Long Guan Hospital , was quoted by the China Daily as saying .
http : //www.reuters.com/article/idUST2878220070911 [ reuters.com ] I would like more substantial proof that women are being 'demeaned ' by internet porn more than China 's own disastrous social policies ( which began in their current form long before the internet came about ) .A quick search for 'rural chinese porn ' ( in english and chinese ) showed nothing but story after story about China 's porn crackdown and nothing even remotely resembling the subjugation of poor rural women.More proof , please.-b</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can argue that women have a choice, but in poor provinces, you can bet that it would be akin to prostitution, where young women are basically forced into the lifestyle because they have no other options.Compared to what women would normally do in poor provinces to get by?I think that if China is worried about 'demeaning women', it should worry more about:The lopsided male-female ratio is believed to be the result of female infanticide in a society that values boys and where most couples are allowed only one child.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/mar/17/china.mainsection [guardian.co.uk]Or"China is the only country where suicides among women outnumber men," Yang Fude, vice-president of Beijing Hui Long Guan Hospital, was quoted by the China Daily as saying.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUST2878220070911 [reuters.com]I would like more substantial proof that women are being 'demeaned' by internet porn more than China's own disastrous social policies (which began in their current form long before the internet came about).A quick search for 'rural chinese porn' (in english and chinese) showed nothing but story after story about China's porn crackdown and nothing even remotely resembling the subjugation of poor rural women.More proof, please.-b
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621172</id>
	<title>Re:The Less Porn the Better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262434200000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I agree. My own view is that porn can and will distort the development of healthy relationships in younger people. That the increasingly mainstream acceptance of porn surplants shared values where people are respected first and foremost for who they are rather than the shape or accessibility of parts of their bodies - increasingly the mainstay of celebrity culture. Not to mention that porn comodifies sex, denegrates the actors involved in it's production and is strongly associated with less salubrious ends of society.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
My own view is that porn can and will distort the development of healthy relationships in younger people .
That the increasingly mainstream acceptance of porn surplants shared values where people are respected first and foremost for who they are rather than the shape or accessibility of parts of their bodies - increasingly the mainstay of celebrity culture .
Not to mention that porn comodifies sex , denegrates the actors involved in it 's production and is strongly associated with less salubrious ends of society .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
My own view is that porn can and will distort the development of healthy relationships in younger people.
That the increasingly mainstream acceptance of porn surplants shared values where people are respected first and foremost for who they are rather than the shape or accessibility of parts of their bodies - increasingly the mainstay of celebrity culture.
Not to mention that porn comodifies sex, denegrates the actors involved in it's production and is strongly associated with less salubrious ends of society.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I'm ever so thankful</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262439600000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>But, they might be right about that. Have you considered their view point or just your own? For someone who supports such a libertarian society you don't seem to give a damn about others opinions<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But , they might be right about that .
Have you considered their view point or just your own ?
For someone who supports such a libertarian society you do n't seem to give a damn about others opinions .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But, they might be right about that.
Have you considered their view point or just your own?
For someone who supports such a libertarian society you don't seem to give a damn about others opinions ...</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>Cassius Corodes</author>
	<datestamp>1262435340000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Yes they are different but were we not exactly like them once? As societies develop and stabilise they generally become liberal. Chinese so far have gone in this direction. People said things like this about many of the traditional conservative countries in Europe as well but over time they too opened up. People are not somehow fundamentally different - but they have different cultures - and these change over time. They are not going to turn into liberals immediately, but as the average education improves, as the financial situation improves society will open up from within.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes they are different but were we not exactly like them once ?
As societies develop and stabilise they generally become liberal .
Chinese so far have gone in this direction .
People said things like this about many of the traditional conservative countries in Europe as well but over time they too opened up .
People are not somehow fundamentally different - but they have different cultures - and these change over time .
They are not going to turn into liberals immediately , but as the average education improves , as the financial situation improves society will open up from within .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes they are different but were we not exactly like them once?
As societies develop and stabilise they generally become liberal.
Chinese so far have gone in this direction.
People said things like this about many of the traditional conservative countries in Europe as well but over time they too opened up.
People are not somehow fundamentally different - but they have different cultures - and these change over time.
They are not going to turn into liberals immediately, but as the average education improves, as the financial situation improves society will open up from within.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262517840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>With nearly 5 years in China myself, I hardly know what "it isn't unheard of to hear of a foreigner beaten into a coma for deflowering local girls" is about.</p><p>Honestly, have you fucked anyone there? I've creampied a lot of normal girls, and been REGULARLY offered virgins from Mama-sans at the $15/full service red light barbershops so prevalent in EVER city. There isn't a person associated that would hesitate or have a problem with the fact that I'm not Chinese if I paid the $200-500 fee for a fresh off the farm virgin. I had one 18 year old chick who was already partially pro that offered me some of her 18 year old friends, still virgins, that were looking to get a pretty penny from being "popped" before getting into the business.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With nearly 5 years in China myself , I hardly know what " it is n't unheard of to hear of a foreigner beaten into a coma for deflowering local girls " is about.Honestly , have you fucked anyone there ?
I 've creampied a lot of normal girls , and been REGULARLY offered virgins from Mama-sans at the $ 15/full service red light barbershops so prevalent in EVER city .
There is n't a person associated that would hesitate or have a problem with the fact that I 'm not Chinese if I paid the $ 200-500 fee for a fresh off the farm virgin .
I had one 18 year old chick who was already partially pro that offered me some of her 18 year old friends , still virgins , that were looking to get a pretty penny from being " popped " before getting into the business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With nearly 5 years in China myself, I hardly know what "it isn't unheard of to hear of a foreigner beaten into a coma for deflowering local girls" is about.Honestly, have you fucked anyone there?
I've creampied a lot of normal girls, and been REGULARLY offered virgins from Mama-sans at the $15/full service red light barbershops so prevalent in EVER city.
There isn't a person associated that would hesitate or have a problem with the fact that I'm not Chinese if I paid the $200-500 fee for a fresh off the farm virgin.
I had one 18 year old chick who was already partially pro that offered me some of her 18 year old friends, still virgins, that were looking to get a pretty penny from being "popped" before getting into the business.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621064</id>
	<title>What happened to the whitelisting system??</title>
	<author>lkcl</author>
	<datestamp>1262432700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>um... wasn't there a slashdot report about whitelisting of all foreign web sites, so that no external porn would get into the country??  did someone in the chinese government forget about the concept of a) mirrors b) home-grown porn, then?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>um... was n't there a slashdot report about whitelisting of all foreign web sites , so that no external porn would get into the country ? ?
did someone in the chinese government forget about the concept of a ) mirrors b ) home-grown porn , then ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>um... wasn't there a slashdot report about whitelisting of all foreign web sites, so that no external porn would get into the country??
did someone in the chinese government forget about the concept of a) mirrors b) home-grown porn, then?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621356</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262436900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You've drunk the Kool-Aid. I've lived in China for years, and I've heard a few westerners speak exactly as you do.<br>There are two major forces at work here:</p><p>1. Propaganda, nationalist extremists, and a strong feedback mechanism between the two.<br>2. Historical revisionism.</p><p>That mysticism argument goes something like this:<br>"Oh you can't possibly understand Chinese culture; It's too complex for you, and even if you learned Mandarin, read every book written in Mandarin, you still can't understand because you weren't born Chinese"</p><p>The reality is quite simple to understand. China is crashing into the modern world and as individuals try to make sense of it all, the national identity is in crisis. From the top down, there comes authority and an appeal to history, nationalism and racism.<br>From the bottom up, comes sexual revolution, and rejection of tradition, as well as some reflection of authoritarianism that came from the top.</p><p>Basically you're just generalising, and generalising sucks because it gloms everyone together, then stamps all over individuality.</p><p>Ps. I didn't find Chinese girls and guys<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-) in the least bit conservative about sex.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've drunk the Kool-Aid .
I 've lived in China for years , and I 've heard a few westerners speak exactly as you do.There are two major forces at work here : 1 .
Propaganda , nationalist extremists , and a strong feedback mechanism between the two.2 .
Historical revisionism.That mysticism argument goes something like this : " Oh you ca n't possibly understand Chinese culture ; It 's too complex for you , and even if you learned Mandarin , read every book written in Mandarin , you still ca n't understand because you were n't born Chinese " The reality is quite simple to understand .
China is crashing into the modern world and as individuals try to make sense of it all , the national identity is in crisis .
From the top down , there comes authority and an appeal to history , nationalism and racism.From the bottom up , comes sexual revolution , and rejection of tradition , as well as some reflection of authoritarianism that came from the top.Basically you 're just generalising , and generalising sucks because it gloms everyone together , then stamps all over individuality.Ps .
I did n't find Chinese girls and guys ; - ) in the least bit conservative about sex .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've drunk the Kool-Aid.
I've lived in China for years, and I've heard a few westerners speak exactly as you do.There are two major forces at work here:1.
Propaganda, nationalist extremists, and a strong feedback mechanism between the two.2.
Historical revisionism.That mysticism argument goes something like this:"Oh you can't possibly understand Chinese culture; It's too complex for you, and even if you learned Mandarin, read every book written in Mandarin, you still can't understand because you weren't born Chinese"The reality is quite simple to understand.
China is crashing into the modern world and as individuals try to make sense of it all, the national identity is in crisis.
From the top down, there comes authority and an appeal to history, nationalism and racism.From the bottom up, comes sexual revolution, and rejection of tradition, as well as some reflection of authoritarianism that came from the top.Basically you're just generalising, and generalising sucks because it gloms everyone together, then stamps all over individuality.Ps.
I didn't find Chinese girls and guys ;-) in the least bit conservative about sex.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621748</id>
	<title>Re:I'm ever so thankful</title>
	<author>MrMr</author>
	<datestamp>1262442840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Could I metamoderate the moderators who moderated this as informative 'Funny'?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could I metamoderate the moderators who moderated this as informative 'Funny ' ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could I metamoderate the moderators who moderated this as informative 'Funny'?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30624256</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>Vellmont</author>
	<datestamp>1262459100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i><br>Scream "fascist" all you want, but you and most other westerners do not understand Chinese civilization or the role that government has traditionally played in it<br>.<br>.<br>.<br>it isn't unheard of to hear of a foreigner beaten into a coma for deflowering local girls.<br>.<br>.<br>.<br></i><br>Right, nothing fascist about that.  Why would anyone scream fascist?</p><p>I'm sorry, but "understanding" a culture doesn't excuse it.  I'm sure if you "understood" slavery in the United States you it might make more sense.  I'm actually a bit surprised the Great Firewall Of China allows you to post on slashdot.  How many stories haven't you been able to read because the Chinese government doesn't approve of it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Scream " fascist " all you want , but you and most other westerners do not understand Chinese civilization or the role that government has traditionally played in it...it is n't unheard of to hear of a foreigner beaten into a coma for deflowering local girls....Right , nothing fascist about that .
Why would anyone scream fascist ? I 'm sorry , but " understanding " a culture does n't excuse it .
I 'm sure if you " understood " slavery in the United States you it might make more sense .
I 'm actually a bit surprised the Great Firewall Of China allows you to post on slashdot .
How many stories have n't you been able to read because the Chinese government does n't approve of it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Scream "fascist" all you want, but you and most other westerners do not understand Chinese civilization or the role that government has traditionally played in it...it isn't unheard of to hear of a foreigner beaten into a coma for deflowering local girls....Right, nothing fascist about that.
Why would anyone scream fascist?I'm sorry, but "understanding" a culture doesn't excuse it.
I'm sure if you "understood" slavery in the United States you it might make more sense.
I'm actually a bit surprised the Great Firewall Of China allows you to post on slashdot.
How many stories haven't you been able to read because the Chinese government doesn't approve of it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621170</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262434140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fascism is a left-wing ideology, because it is a collectivist ideology. It's the same thing with nazism (national socialism). Fascism is when you are allowed to have property, but the collective decides what you can do with it. Socialism is when everything is owned by the collective. Right-wing ideology is about individualism, and among other things, letting you own and control your property.</p><p>As a leftist you should be in favor of fascism.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fascism is a left-wing ideology , because it is a collectivist ideology .
It 's the same thing with nazism ( national socialism ) .
Fascism is when you are allowed to have property , but the collective decides what you can do with it .
Socialism is when everything is owned by the collective .
Right-wing ideology is about individualism , and among other things , letting you own and control your property.As a leftist you should be in favor of fascism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fascism is a left-wing ideology, because it is a collectivist ideology.
It's the same thing with nazism (national socialism).
Fascism is when you are allowed to have property, but the collective decides what you can do with it.
Socialism is when everything is owned by the collective.
Right-wing ideology is about individualism, and among other things, letting you own and control your property.As a leftist you should be in favor of fascism.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30623272</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>CharlyFoxtrot</author>
	<datestamp>1262454180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Chinese society is quite conservative about sex, or at least it has that appearance. For example, it isn't unheard of to hear of a foreigner beaten into a coma for deflowering local girls. In a country where virginity is prized and sex can almost be like a contract for marriage, that sort of thing isn't taken lightly. In the same way, if Chinese people think their women are being debased (as in porn), they tend to get very angry.</p></div><p>To illustrate: recently former miss Belgium, UN goodwill ambassador and sexologist Goedele Liekens went to China to speak at the university of Beijing. Her lecture got shut down by the professor in charge because, true to her no nonsense nature, she wasn't shy about talking directly about the male and female genitals.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Chinese society is quite conservative about sex , or at least it has that appearance .
For example , it is n't unheard of to hear of a foreigner beaten into a coma for deflowering local girls .
In a country where virginity is prized and sex can almost be like a contract for marriage , that sort of thing is n't taken lightly .
In the same way , if Chinese people think their women are being debased ( as in porn ) , they tend to get very angry.To illustrate : recently former miss Belgium , UN goodwill ambassador and sexologist Goedele Liekens went to China to speak at the university of Beijing .
Her lecture got shut down by the professor in charge because , true to her no nonsense nature , she was n't shy about talking directly about the male and female genitals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chinese society is quite conservative about sex, or at least it has that appearance.
For example, it isn't unheard of to hear of a foreigner beaten into a coma for deflowering local girls.
In a country where virginity is prized and sex can almost be like a contract for marriage, that sort of thing isn't taken lightly.
In the same way, if Chinese people think their women are being debased (as in porn), they tend to get very angry.To illustrate: recently former miss Belgium, UN goodwill ambassador and sexologist Goedele Liekens went to China to speak at the university of Beijing.
Her lecture got shut down by the professor in charge because, true to her no nonsense nature, she wasn't shy about talking directly about the male and female genitals.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621494</id>
	<title>Re:The Less Porn the Better</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1262439300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We don't ban McDonald's because some folks don't eat anything else and hurt themselves in doing so.</p></div><p>You don't ban McDonald's, because that would be discriminatory. You ban <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/26/us/26fats.html" title="nytimes.com">trans fats</a> [nytimes.com], or perhaps, <a href="http://www.alternet.org/environment/144904" title="alternet.org">sub-grade beef</a> [alternet.org]. You make it unprofitable to poison the citizenry for money.</p></div>
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<tokenext>We do n't ban McDonald 's because some folks do n't eat anything else and hurt themselves in doing so.You do n't ban McDonald 's , because that would be discriminatory .
You ban trans fats [ nytimes.com ] , or perhaps , sub-grade beef [ alternet.org ] .
You make it unprofitable to poison the citizenry for money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We don't ban McDonald's because some folks don't eat anything else and hurt themselves in doing so.You don't ban McDonald's, because that would be discriminatory.
You ban trans fats [nytimes.com], or perhaps, sub-grade beef [alternet.org].
You make it unprofitable to poison the citizenry for money.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30626798</id>
	<title>Threatening the emotional health of children?</title>
	<author>Draele</author>
	<datestamp>1262431440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I see where they're coming from, but doesn't it seem like the very children they're trying to protect from this stuff will now have no choice but to make it themselves if they desire to see it? Or are they just going to crack down on that by banning webcams, cell phones, cameras, camcorders, paper, writing impliments, and anything else that might be theoretically used to scar our childrens' minds?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I see where they 're coming from , but does n't it seem like the very children they 're trying to protect from this stuff will now have no choice but to make it themselves if they desire to see it ?
Or are they just going to crack down on that by banning webcams , cell phones , cameras , camcorders , paper , writing impliments , and anything else that might be theoretically used to scar our childrens ' minds ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see where they're coming from, but doesn't it seem like the very children they're trying to protect from this stuff will now have no choice but to make it themselves if they desire to see it?
Or are they just going to crack down on that by banning webcams, cell phones, cameras, camcorders, paper, writing impliments, and anything else that might be theoretically used to scar our childrens' minds?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30624012</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262457960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>but in poor provinces, you can bet that it would be akin to prostitution, where young women are basically forced into the lifestyle because they have no other options.</p></div><p>This implies that those women will now die instead, if they truly have no other options.</p></div>
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<tokenext>but in poor provinces , you can bet that it would be akin to prostitution , where young women are basically forced into the lifestyle because they have no other options.This implies that those women will now die instead , if they truly have no other options .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but in poor provinces, you can bet that it would be akin to prostitution, where young women are basically forced into the lifestyle because they have no other options.This implies that those women will now die instead, if they truly have no other options.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621184</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>BlackBloq</author>
	<datestamp>1262434380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't worry about what other think too much or you will try and control that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't worry about what other think too much or you will try and control that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't worry about what other think too much or you will try and control that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30630604</id>
	<title>Control on the internet</title>
	<author>gaoming1978</author>
	<datestamp>1262515680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a native Chinese, I really don't think that the reason to crackdown on online pornography is for the health of the children.  The internet seems to be the only media where the voice of criticism on the Chinese govenment could be heard, since the newspaper and T.V. station are firmly controlled by the Communist Party of China. The discussion on the social affairs on the internet may have some pressure on the government. Although the morality of the Chinese tradition mertis the virginity of Woman, the openings for 30 years changed the tradition thoughts very much.  Currently, it was not regraded as a merit in lots area in China. I agree that opinion the reason is of  strengthing the control on the internet in China.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a native Chinese , I really do n't think that the reason to crackdown on online pornography is for the health of the children .
The internet seems to be the only media where the voice of criticism on the Chinese govenment could be heard , since the newspaper and T.V .
station are firmly controlled by the Communist Party of China .
The discussion on the social affairs on the internet may have some pressure on the government .
Although the morality of the Chinese tradition mertis the virginity of Woman , the openings for 30 years changed the tradition thoughts very much .
Currently , it was not regraded as a merit in lots area in China .
I agree that opinion the reason is of strengthing the control on the internet in China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a native Chinese, I really don't think that the reason to crackdown on online pornography is for the health of the children.
The internet seems to be the only media where the voice of criticism on the Chinese govenment could be heard, since the newspaper and T.V.
station are firmly controlled by the Communist Party of China.
The discussion on the social affairs on the internet may have some pressure on the government.
Although the morality of the Chinese tradition mertis the virginity of Woman, the openings for 30 years changed the tradition thoughts very much.
Currently, it was not regraded as a merit in lots area in China.
I agree that opinion the reason is of  strengthing the control on the internet in China.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1262434920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, there basically never was a communist state in human history.<br>Because, as far as I remember, a real communist state has no government, but is governed from the bottom up.<br>Those government in those states are supposed to be temporary, to implement the changes, and then dissolve themselves.<br>Yeah, that never happens.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>The thing is, that the communist idea, in <em>theory</em> is really nice. Just as democracy.<br>The problem is, that both ideas are based on faulty theory. The communist one even more than the democracy one.<br>The error is, that they assume there would be such a thing as 100\% altruistic people who could ignore their own interests in favor of the general public. To put them in charge. Basically as a medium. A channel for the interests of the people.</p><p>Of course that is just a pretty dream, as there is no such thing in reality. The whole evolution is the exact opposite of this. Any organism of that kind would die out in the blink of an eye. To be replaced by something that only cares for itself.<br>But the idea stems from the fact, that we as humans, are really great at teamwork. We are the only ones who have a &ldquo;society&rdquo; which is basically a huge team, working together. The thing is though: While for most of the time that humans existed, we were small groups of 20-30 people, we now are huge teams. Way too huge.<br>Our common good has taken a back seat, and we focus more on personal gain.</p><p>I think, a nice model is the Arabic philosophy of &ldquo;me and you, against the town. me, you and the town, against the [county]. me, you, the town and the [county] against the country.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... etc&rdquo; Basically a fractal model of priority. That way you can still profit from team work, and only look at the large groups if needed. You don&rsquo;t become egocentric that easily.<br>But I&rsquo;m digressing.</p><p>What we need is small groups. Where you can&rsquo;t survive if you act egocentric and try to become a dictator. Where the group can easily personally come up to you, and throw you out. Where the personal gain IS the gain of your group. Like a large family basically. Protecting your genes. Ever if you die, you will then live on.<br>But also on that new level of ideas/mindsets. (You may be aware of the concept that one can look at those like lifeforms, and that the models then strangely still fit.) Small communities (and/or fractal ones) on the Internet, protecting your mindset/ideas, so they will live on.</p><p>In my opinion, our current forms of society don&rsquo;t really work for that exact reason. A leader wants to have a personal (or small group) gain. It&rsquo;s in his genes because of billions of years of evolution enforcing it. It&rsquo;s only natural.<br>So naturally, he always and without exception will have huge conflict with the interests of people that elected him. This is unavoidable.</p><p>But I still don&rsquo;t know how this knowledge helps me, live in a society where my interests and that of my group don&rsquo;t conflict. Other than starting a family and emigrating to the wilderness<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , there basically never was a communist state in human history.Because , as far as I remember , a real communist state has no government , but is governed from the bottom up.Those government in those states are supposed to be temporary , to implement the changes , and then dissolve themselves.Yeah , that never happens .
; ) The thing is , that the communist idea , in theory is really nice .
Just as democracy.The problem is , that both ideas are based on faulty theory .
The communist one even more than the democracy one.The error is , that they assume there would be such a thing as 100 \ % altruistic people who could ignore their own interests in favor of the general public .
To put them in charge .
Basically as a medium .
A channel for the interests of the people.Of course that is just a pretty dream , as there is no such thing in reality .
The whole evolution is the exact opposite of this .
Any organism of that kind would die out in the blink of an eye .
To be replaced by something that only cares for itself.But the idea stems from the fact , that we as humans , are really great at teamwork .
We are the only ones who have a    society    which is basically a huge team , working together .
The thing is though : While for most of the time that humans existed , we were small groups of 20-30 people , we now are huge teams .
Way too huge.Our common good has taken a back seat , and we focus more on personal gain.I think , a nice model is the Arabic philosophy of    me and you , against the town .
me , you and the town , against the [ county ] .
me , you , the town and the [ county ] against the country .
... etc    Basically a fractal model of priority .
That way you can still profit from team work , and only look at the large groups if needed .
You don    t become egocentric that easily.But I    m digressing.What we need is small groups .
Where you can    t survive if you act egocentric and try to become a dictator .
Where the group can easily personally come up to you , and throw you out .
Where the personal gain IS the gain of your group .
Like a large family basically .
Protecting your genes .
Ever if you die , you will then live on.But also on that new level of ideas/mindsets .
( You may be aware of the concept that one can look at those like lifeforms , and that the models then strangely still fit .
) Small communities ( and/or fractal ones ) on the Internet , protecting your mindset/ideas , so they will live on.In my opinion , our current forms of society don    t really work for that exact reason .
A leader wants to have a personal ( or small group ) gain .
It    s in his genes because of billions of years of evolution enforcing it .
It    s only natural.So naturally , he always and without exception will have huge conflict with the interests of people that elected him .
This is unavoidable.But I still don    t know how this knowledge helps me , live in a society where my interests and that of my group don    t conflict .
Other than starting a family and emigrating to the wilderness ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, there basically never was a communist state in human history.Because, as far as I remember, a real communist state has no government, but is governed from the bottom up.Those government in those states are supposed to be temporary, to implement the changes, and then dissolve themselves.Yeah, that never happens.
;)The thing is, that the communist idea, in theory is really nice.
Just as democracy.The problem is, that both ideas are based on faulty theory.
The communist one even more than the democracy one.The error is, that they assume there would be such a thing as 100\% altruistic people who could ignore their own interests in favor of the general public.
To put them in charge.
Basically as a medium.
A channel for the interests of the people.Of course that is just a pretty dream, as there is no such thing in reality.
The whole evolution is the exact opposite of this.
Any organism of that kind would die out in the blink of an eye.
To be replaced by something that only cares for itself.But the idea stems from the fact, that we as humans, are really great at teamwork.
We are the only ones who have a “society” which is basically a huge team, working together.
The thing is though: While for most of the time that humans existed, we were small groups of 20-30 people, we now are huge teams.
Way too huge.Our common good has taken a back seat, and we focus more on personal gain.I think, a nice model is the Arabic philosophy of “me and you, against the town.
me, you and the town, against the [county].
me, you, the town and the [county] against the country.
... etc” Basically a fractal model of priority.
That way you can still profit from team work, and only look at the large groups if needed.
You don’t become egocentric that easily.But I’m digressing.What we need is small groups.
Where you can’t survive if you act egocentric and try to become a dictator.
Where the group can easily personally come up to you, and throw you out.
Where the personal gain IS the gain of your group.
Like a large family basically.
Protecting your genes.
Ever if you die, you will then live on.But also on that new level of ideas/mindsets.
(You may be aware of the concept that one can look at those like lifeforms, and that the models then strangely still fit.
) Small communities (and/or fractal ones) on the Internet, protecting your mindset/ideas, so they will live on.In my opinion, our current forms of society don’t really work for that exact reason.
A leader wants to have a personal (or small group) gain.
It’s in his genes because of billions of years of evolution enforcing it.
It’s only natural.So naturally, he always and without exception will have huge conflict with the interests of people that elected him.
This is unavoidable.But I still don’t know how this knowledge helps me, live in a society where my interests and that of my group don’t conflict.
Other than starting a family and emigrating to the wilderness ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621160</id>
	<title>Re:The Less Porn the Better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262433960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Adults who willingly make a choice to use certain things constantly at harm to themselves are not society's burden.<br>We don't ban McDonald's because some folks don't eat anything else and hurt themselves in doing so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Adults who willingly make a choice to use certain things constantly at harm to themselves are not society 's burden.We do n't ban McDonald 's because some folks do n't eat anything else and hurt themselves in doing so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Adults who willingly make a choice to use certain things constantly at harm to themselves are not society's burden.We don't ban McDonald's because some folks don't eat anything else and hurt themselves in doing so.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621306</id>
	<title>Re:The Less Porn the Better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262436000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is NOTHING wrong with porn<br>been watching it since 13 and I've known some who started earlier</p><p>I haven't killed anyone, I haven't raped anyone, I haven't committed a single crime, graduated from college with honors and now I'm employed and make a nice sum of money. Been watching porn for more than 10 years. Nothing rubbed on me! None of the crazy extreme fetishes I've jacked off to on porn, trickled down to my sex life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is NOTHING wrong with pornbeen watching it since 13 and I 've known some who started earlierI have n't killed anyone , I have n't raped anyone , I have n't committed a single crime , graduated from college with honors and now I 'm employed and make a nice sum of money .
Been watching porn for more than 10 years .
Nothing rubbed on me !
None of the crazy extreme fetishes I 've jacked off to on porn , trickled down to my sex life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is NOTHING wrong with pornbeen watching it since 13 and I've known some who started earlierI haven't killed anyone, I haven't raped anyone, I haven't committed a single crime, graduated from college with honors and now I'm employed and make a nice sum of money.
Been watching porn for more than 10 years.
Nothing rubbed on me!
None of the crazy extreme fetishes I've jacked off to on porn, trickled down to my sex life.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621026</id>
	<title>China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262431800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. There may be an entity called the Communist Party of China, but by no means is China Leftist, or even Socialist. They are a Fascist Autocracy.</p><p>No liberal or leftist government would attack the consumption of adult pornography. (Nor would they even care.)</p><p>Not that I am advocating Communism, which has failed everywhere it has been tried, and is an unworkable ideology, but as a leftist, who is deeply concerned about the rise of Right Wing Fascism around the world, I am concerned what this could cause Western governments to adopt. We have already seen that a large percentage of our Christian Right extremists in the USA and Canada do not believe in sexual equality or egalitarianism, or freedom of speech. I worry this will give them ideas.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>China is not a Left Wing or Communist State .
There may be an entity called the Communist Party of China , but by no means is China Leftist , or even Socialist .
They are a Fascist Autocracy.No liberal or leftist government would attack the consumption of adult pornography .
( Nor would they even care .
) Not that I am advocating Communism , which has failed everywhere it has been tried , and is an unworkable ideology , but as a leftist , who is deeply concerned about the rise of Right Wing Fascism around the world , I am concerned what this could cause Western governments to adopt .
We have already seen that a large percentage of our Christian Right extremists in the USA and Canada do not believe in sexual equality or egalitarianism , or freedom of speech .
I worry this will give them ideas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.
There may be an entity called the Communist Party of China, but by no means is China Leftist, or even Socialist.
They are a Fascist Autocracy.No liberal or leftist government would attack the consumption of adult pornography.
(Nor would they even care.
)Not that I am advocating Communism, which has failed everywhere it has been tried, and is an unworkable ideology, but as a leftist, who is deeply concerned about the rise of Right Wing Fascism around the world, I am concerned what this could cause Western governments to adopt.
We have already seen that a large percentage of our Christian Right extremists in the USA and Canada do not believe in sexual equality or egalitarianism, or freedom of speech.
I worry this will give them ideas.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621890</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>RMS Eats Toejam</author>
	<datestamp>1262444280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps for the 2nd time, I have to call BS on you.  While you claim to be an American living in China, your post reads more like an armchair professor who's watched one to many episodes of Frontline.</p><p>I am also here in China and have found Chinese men to be very interested in porn with views of women that are on average much worse than I consider the norm in the USA.  Many of them are so sex obsessed that it's often the first topic they will bring up in private conversation.  Many of them have showed me websites where one can download pictures of Bikini models.  Even entire photo shoots in zipped sets much like your average porn site.  Why?  Because it's the closest thing to porn allowed by law.  It's pretty easy to find men in their 30s trading explicit pictures like a teenager discovering dad's collection of playboys for the first time.  Foreigners getting beaten?  Sounds scary, but most urban legends are.  Yes, virginity may very well be prized if you are living in the sticks, but for most Internet users this old lifestyle simply does not apply.</p><p>You aren't going to explain 5,000 years of Chinese civilization to us because you can't.  You don't know as much as you claim and it would seem to me that you haven't gained as much from your experience as you may have thought.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps for the 2nd time , I have to call BS on you .
While you claim to be an American living in China , your post reads more like an armchair professor who 's watched one to many episodes of Frontline.I am also here in China and have found Chinese men to be very interested in porn with views of women that are on average much worse than I consider the norm in the USA .
Many of them are so sex obsessed that it 's often the first topic they will bring up in private conversation .
Many of them have showed me websites where one can download pictures of Bikini models .
Even entire photo shoots in zipped sets much like your average porn site .
Why ? Because it 's the closest thing to porn allowed by law .
It 's pretty easy to find men in their 30s trading explicit pictures like a teenager discovering dad 's collection of playboys for the first time .
Foreigners getting beaten ?
Sounds scary , but most urban legends are .
Yes , virginity may very well be prized if you are living in the sticks , but for most Internet users this old lifestyle simply does not apply.You are n't going to explain 5,000 years of Chinese civilization to us because you ca n't .
You do n't know as much as you claim and it would seem to me that you have n't gained as much from your experience as you may have thought .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps for the 2nd time, I have to call BS on you.
While you claim to be an American living in China, your post reads more like an armchair professor who's watched one to many episodes of Frontline.I am also here in China and have found Chinese men to be very interested in porn with views of women that are on average much worse than I consider the norm in the USA.
Many of them are so sex obsessed that it's often the first topic they will bring up in private conversation.
Many of them have showed me websites where one can download pictures of Bikini models.
Even entire photo shoots in zipped sets much like your average porn site.
Why?  Because it's the closest thing to porn allowed by law.
It's pretty easy to find men in their 30s trading explicit pictures like a teenager discovering dad's collection of playboys for the first time.
Foreigners getting beaten?
Sounds scary, but most urban legends are.
Yes, virginity may very well be prized if you are living in the sticks, but for most Internet users this old lifestyle simply does not apply.You aren't going to explain 5,000 years of Chinese civilization to us because you can't.
You don't know as much as you claim and it would seem to me that you haven't gained as much from your experience as you may have thought.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621218</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>indiechild</author>
	<datestamp>1262434860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would've thought porn and prostitution is more important than ever now that there is a massive gender imbalance brewing in China. Way too many girls being aborted in the past, so there is an excess of young men.</p><p>As for porn not being allowed because it demeans women, isn't that the basic premise that applies all over the world, universally? Yet porn exists anyway, and is consumed by many who (hypocritically) claim to be protecting women. OK, now that's opening a whole new other can of worms.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would 've thought porn and prostitution is more important than ever now that there is a massive gender imbalance brewing in China .
Way too many girls being aborted in the past , so there is an excess of young men.As for porn not being allowed because it demeans women , is n't that the basic premise that applies all over the world , universally ?
Yet porn exists anyway , and is consumed by many who ( hypocritically ) claim to be protecting women .
OK , now that 's opening a whole new other can of worms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would've thought porn and prostitution is more important than ever now that there is a massive gender imbalance brewing in China.
Way too many girls being aborted in the past, so there is an excess of young men.As for porn not being allowed because it demeans women, isn't that the basic premise that applies all over the world, universally?
Yet porn exists anyway, and is consumed by many who (hypocritically) claim to be protecting women.
OK, now that's opening a whole new other can of worms.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621354</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262436900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Fascism is a left-wing ideology, because it is a collectivist ideology. It's the same thing with nazism (national socialism). Fascism is when you are allowed to have property, but the collective decides what you can do with it.</p></div><p>No, fascism is when the government works on behalf of corporations, and vice versa.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Right-wing ideology is about individualism, and among other things, letting you own and control your property.</p><p>As a leftist you should be in favor of fascism.</p></div><p>No, right-wing ideology is about maintaining the status quo, and among other things, consolidating power and wealth in the hands of those who already have power and wealth.</p><p>As a rightist, you should be in favor of fascism.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fascism is a left-wing ideology , because it is a collectivist ideology .
It 's the same thing with nazism ( national socialism ) .
Fascism is when you are allowed to have property , but the collective decides what you can do with it.No , fascism is when the government works on behalf of corporations , and vice versa.Right-wing ideology is about individualism , and among other things , letting you own and control your property.As a leftist you should be in favor of fascism.No , right-wing ideology is about maintaining the status quo , and among other things , consolidating power and wealth in the hands of those who already have power and wealth.As a rightist , you should be in favor of fascism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fascism is a left-wing ideology, because it is a collectivist ideology.
It's the same thing with nazism (national socialism).
Fascism is when you are allowed to have property, but the collective decides what you can do with it.No, fascism is when the government works on behalf of corporations, and vice versa.Right-wing ideology is about individualism, and among other things, letting you own and control your property.As a leftist you should be in favor of fascism.No, right-wing ideology is about maintaining the status quo, and among other things, consolidating power and wealth in the hands of those who already have power and wealth.As a rightist, you should be in favor of fascism.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621076</id>
	<title>Re:I'm ever so thankful</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262432760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>when I heard about this the first thought in my head was, USA and China are so alike, it seems odd that they can't get along.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>when I heard about this the first thought in my head was , USA and China are so alike , it seems odd that they ca n't get along .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>when I heard about this the first thought in my head was, USA and China are so alike, it seems odd that they can't get along.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621016</id>
	<title>1000 Yuan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262431680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since the the summary didn't mention it, <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=1000+yuan+in+usd" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">1000 yuan is about $146.50</a> [google.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since the the summary did n't mention it , 1000 yuan is about $ 146.50 [ google.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since the the summary didn't mention it, 1000 yuan is about $146.50 [google.com].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30622842</id>
	<title>Re:I'm ever so thankful</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1262451900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>when I heard about this the first thought in my head was, USA and China are so alike, it seems odd that they can't get along.</p></div><p>Why would you think "like" attracts?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>when I heard about this the first thought in my head was , USA and China are so alike , it seems odd that they ca n't get along.Why would you think " like " attracts ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>when I heard about this the first thought in my head was, USA and China are so alike, it seems odd that they can't get along.Why would you think "like" attracts?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30623244</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>theboogeyman</author>
	<datestamp>1262454000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh here we go again with the "5000 years of culture"
<br> <br>
You must be one of those laowei who thinks China is so "exotic" and mystical".  Hey buddy I have a newwsflash for you: China is just another regular country with nothing exceptional.  Almost all countries around the world has thousands of years of history too.  Just pick any European or Arabic country.
<br> <br>
The reason why the CCCP is cracking down on pornography is because they don't like it and they can.  The Communist Party is an authoritarian government and they will ban anything they don't like.  It is not because they think porn demeans woman (I'm not saying it doesn't though).  By the way, there is nothing specifically in Chinese culture that looks down on porn.  That is why China is one of the biggest consumers of Japanese hentai and pornography.  I think the CCCP is banning porn because they think it leads to Western "decadence".  This is more like what Islamic countries might do.
<br> <br>
I don't understand how so many foreigners in China develop this China fetish that seem to cloud there ability to think and judge rationally.  Luckily I was never affected by this in my time there which I have termed the China fetish syndrome.  If you hear anybody say the West is wrong about China because they have "5000 years of civilization", you know this person has the China Fetish Syndrome.
<br> <br>
theboogeyman</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh here we go again with the " 5000 years of culture " You must be one of those laowei who thinks China is so " exotic " and mystical " .
Hey buddy I have a newwsflash for you : China is just another regular country with nothing exceptional .
Almost all countries around the world has thousands of years of history too .
Just pick any European or Arabic country .
The reason why the CCCP is cracking down on pornography is because they do n't like it and they can .
The Communist Party is an authoritarian government and they will ban anything they do n't like .
It is not because they think porn demeans woman ( I 'm not saying it does n't though ) .
By the way , there is nothing specifically in Chinese culture that looks down on porn .
That is why China is one of the biggest consumers of Japanese hentai and pornography .
I think the CCCP is banning porn because they think it leads to Western " decadence " .
This is more like what Islamic countries might do .
I do n't understand how so many foreigners in China develop this China fetish that seem to cloud there ability to think and judge rationally .
Luckily I was never affected by this in my time there which I have termed the China fetish syndrome .
If you hear anybody say the West is wrong about China because they have " 5000 years of civilization " , you know this person has the China Fetish Syndrome .
theboogeyman</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh here we go again with the "5000 years of culture"
 
You must be one of those laowei who thinks China is so "exotic" and mystical".
Hey buddy I have a newwsflash for you: China is just another regular country with nothing exceptional.
Almost all countries around the world has thousands of years of history too.
Just pick any European or Arabic country.
The reason why the CCCP is cracking down on pornography is because they don't like it and they can.
The Communist Party is an authoritarian government and they will ban anything they don't like.
It is not because they think porn demeans woman (I'm not saying it doesn't though).
By the way, there is nothing specifically in Chinese culture that looks down on porn.
That is why China is one of the biggest consumers of Japanese hentai and pornography.
I think the CCCP is banning porn because they think it leads to Western "decadence".
This is more like what Islamic countries might do.
I don't understand how so many foreigners in China develop this China fetish that seem to cloud there ability to think and judge rationally.
Luckily I was never affected by this in my time there which I have termed the China fetish syndrome.
If you hear anybody say the West is wrong about China because they have "5000 years of civilization", you know this person has the China Fetish Syndrome.
theboogeyman</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30622900</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262452140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey,dude.  I'm chinese and i think i know my culture and my country well. I agree with you to some degree, but i have to say that  this conservative about sex has greatly decreased in the generation of "90s". They dont care so much about things like virginity as their parents do, the value of this generation has changed a lot. The social and economical reform after 1979 has created both economical prospery and social problems, about which the government is so worried. Many ppl think the government act as if they are fighting against internent pron, but in fact they are wiping out the voice of objectors, the ones who are not happy about current government and its policy. In recent 2 months, over 15000 websites has been closed by police or blocked by the national firewall,  only 1/3 of them is because of porn and pirate. Maybe you have already heard of the Great Firewall, namely the national internet firewall blocking the websites unwelcome to the government. We cant connect the websites such as  facebook, twitter, flickr, blogger, youtube in normal way:(  we have to use software like Tor, Freegate or use VPN, proxy server to connect them.<br>Since 2000, the government has lauched a project to cencorship all data passing through the internet. Tolerance no longer exists on chinese internet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey,dude .
I 'm chinese and i think i know my culture and my country well .
I agree with you to some degree , but i have to say that this conservative about sex has greatly decreased in the generation of " 90s " .
They dont care so much about things like virginity as their parents do , the value of this generation has changed a lot .
The social and economical reform after 1979 has created both economical prospery and social problems , about which the government is so worried .
Many ppl think the government act as if they are fighting against internent pron , but in fact they are wiping out the voice of objectors , the ones who are not happy about current government and its policy .
In recent 2 months , over 15000 websites has been closed by police or blocked by the national firewall , only 1/3 of them is because of porn and pirate .
Maybe you have already heard of the Great Firewall , namely the national internet firewall blocking the websites unwelcome to the government .
We cant connect the websites such as facebook , twitter , flickr , blogger , youtube in normal way : ( we have to use software like Tor , Freegate or use VPN , proxy server to connect them.Since 2000 , the government has lauched a project to cencorship all data passing through the internet .
Tolerance no longer exists on chinese internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey,dude.
I'm chinese and i think i know my culture and my country well.
I agree with you to some degree, but i have to say that  this conservative about sex has greatly decreased in the generation of "90s".
They dont care so much about things like virginity as their parents do, the value of this generation has changed a lot.
The social and economical reform after 1979 has created both economical prospery and social problems, about which the government is so worried.
Many ppl think the government act as if they are fighting against internent pron, but in fact they are wiping out the voice of objectors, the ones who are not happy about current government and its policy.
In recent 2 months, over 15000 websites has been closed by police or blocked by the national firewall,  only 1/3 of them is because of porn and pirate.
Maybe you have already heard of the Great Firewall, namely the national internet firewall blocking the websites unwelcome to the government.
We cant connect the websites such as  facebook, twitter, flickr, blogger, youtube in normal way:(  we have to use software like Tor, Freegate or use VPN, proxy server to connect them.Since 2000, the government has lauched a project to cencorship all data passing through the internet.
Tolerance no longer exists on chinese internet.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30622218</id>
	<title>Re:I'm ever so thankful</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262447460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least we only imprison them.  They kill people for drug offences in China.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least we only imprison them .
They kill people for drug offences in China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least we only imprison them.
They kill people for drug offences in China.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30628064</id>
	<title>Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State.</title>
	<author>LordVader717</author>
	<datestamp>1262440320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As an American living in China, it pains me to see this sort of hysterical nonsense on Slashdot all the time. China is the new Evil Empire, apparently. Scream "fascist" all you want, but you and most other westerners do not understand Chinese civilization or the role that government has traditionally played in it. Then again, maybe the U.S. should "pre-empt" their errors, and save China from the Chinese.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P</p></div><p>The objection that we can not judge a state because we "do not understand Chinese civilisation" is clich&#233; and polemic toward historians and political scientists.</p><p>The PRC shows many signs totalitarianism and nationalism. It is a severely oppressive ethnically authoritarian superstate.<br>You may want to argue how this is good and the best thing for Chinese people, but I think most people consider all of these characteristics of "evil-Empire".</p><p>It is difficult to generalize in a huge country with many different cultures. But perceptions of sexual decency are relatively universal, so I'd say we don't need a specifically Chinese introduction.</p></div>
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<tokenext>As an American living in China , it pains me to see this sort of hysterical nonsense on Slashdot all the time .
China is the new Evil Empire , apparently .
Scream " fascist " all you want , but you and most other westerners do not understand Chinese civilization or the role that government has traditionally played in it .
Then again , maybe the U.S. should " pre-empt " their errors , and save China from the Chinese .
: -PThe objection that we can not judge a state because we " do not understand Chinese civilisation " is clich   and polemic toward historians and political scientists.The PRC shows many signs totalitarianism and nationalism .
It is a severely oppressive ethnically authoritarian superstate.You may want to argue how this is good and the best thing for Chinese people , but I think most people consider all of these characteristics of " evil-Empire " .It is difficult to generalize in a huge country with many different cultures .
But perceptions of sexual decency are relatively universal , so I 'd say we do n't need a specifically Chinese introduction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an American living in China, it pains me to see this sort of hysterical nonsense on Slashdot all the time.
China is the new Evil Empire, apparently.
Scream "fascist" all you want, but you and most other westerners do not understand Chinese civilization or the role that government has traditionally played in it.
Then again, maybe the U.S. should "pre-empt" their errors, and save China from the Chinese.
:-PThe objection that we can not judge a state because we "do not understand Chinese civilisation" is cliché and polemic toward historians and political scientists.The PRC shows many signs totalitarianism and nationalism.
It is a severely oppressive ethnically authoritarian superstate.You may want to argue how this is good and the best thing for Chinese people, but I think most people consider all of these characteristics of "evil-Empire".It is difficult to generalize in a huge country with many different cultures.
But perceptions of sexual decency are relatively universal, so I'd say we don't need a specifically Chinese introduction.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_02_0342257.30621100</id>
	<title>The Less Porn the Better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262433180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No doubt this will outrage many here given the demographic is slanted towards the male (and probably the younger male) but I don't consider exposure to porn healthy.</p><p>We don't expose children to porn if we can help it because we don't believe in distorting their minds, but we turn a blind eye to adults (who may also be weak minded) using it effectively as a recreational drug.</p><p>If you start immersing yourself in material with racist (for instance) views you should not be surprised if some of them begin to rub off on you. The same goes for significant exposure to pornography.</p><p>In the scheme of things pornography exposure is not the end of the world but it does subtly alter your thought processes, and not for the better.</p><p>If we were truly honest about porn it would come with a mental health warning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No doubt this will outrage many here given the demographic is slanted towards the male ( and probably the younger male ) but I do n't consider exposure to porn healthy.We do n't expose children to porn if we can help it because we do n't believe in distorting their minds , but we turn a blind eye to adults ( who may also be weak minded ) using it effectively as a recreational drug.If you start immersing yourself in material with racist ( for instance ) views you should not be surprised if some of them begin to rub off on you .
The same goes for significant exposure to pornography.In the scheme of things pornography exposure is not the end of the world but it does subtly alter your thought processes , and not for the better.If we were truly honest about porn it would come with a mental health warning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No doubt this will outrage many here given the demographic is slanted towards the male (and probably the younger male) but I don't consider exposure to porn healthy.We don't expose children to porn if we can help it because we don't believe in distorting their minds, but we turn a blind eye to adults (who may also be weak minded) using it effectively as a recreational drug.If you start immersing yourself in material with racist (for instance) views you should not be surprised if some of them begin to rub off on you.
The same goes for significant exposure to pornography.In the scheme of things pornography exposure is not the end of the world but it does subtly alter your thought processes, and not for the better.If we were truly honest about porn it would come with a mental health warning.</sentencetext>
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