<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_01_198243</id>
	<title>NASA Mars Rover Spirit May Move Forward By Spinning Its Wheels</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1262335200000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>coondoggie writes <i>"As NASA celebrates its Mars rover Spirit's sixth anniversary exploring the red planet, it is hunting for a way to keep the machine, which is mired in a sand trap, alive to see a seventh year. On its Web site, the space agency this week noted there may indeed be such an option. That option would be <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/010110-layer8-nasa-mars-spirit-rover.html?hpg1=bn">spinning the wheels on the north side of Spirit</a>, letting it dig in deeper in the Martian sand but at the same time improving the tilt of the rover's solar panels toward the Sun."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>coondoggie writes " As NASA celebrates its Mars rover Spirit 's sixth anniversary exploring the red planet , it is hunting for a way to keep the machine , which is mired in a sand trap , alive to see a seventh year .
On its Web site , the space agency this week noted there may indeed be such an option .
That option would be spinning the wheels on the north side of Spirit , letting it dig in deeper in the Martian sand but at the same time improving the tilt of the rover 's solar panels toward the Sun .
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<sentencetext>coondoggie writes "As NASA celebrates its Mars rover Spirit's sixth anniversary exploring the red planet, it is hunting for a way to keep the machine, which is mired in a sand trap, alive to see a seventh year.
On its Web site, the space agency this week noted there may indeed be such an option.
That option would be spinning the wheels on the north side of Spirit, letting it dig in deeper in the Martian sand but at the same time improving the tilt of the rover's solar panels toward the Sun.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30617610</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>ppc\_digger</author>
	<datestamp>1262352780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You seem to forget that a human scientist can do in a day what a rover does in a year.<br>
<br>
With a few nuclear reactors, a water recycling system and some vegetation, settlers can survive indefinitely.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You seem to forget that a human scientist can do in a day what a rover does in a year .
With a few nuclear reactors , a water recycling system and some vegetation , settlers can survive indefinitely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You seem to forget that a human scientist can do in a day what a rover does in a year.
With a few nuclear reactors, a water recycling system and some vegetation, settlers can survive indefinitely.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616288</id>
	<title>Opportunity still going strong</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262341680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because it was the first thing I wanted to know, Spirit's twin Opportunity is still going strong and puttering around a rock called Marqeutte Island.  So regardless of how Spirit pans out, there's a really good shot at seeing year 8 of the Mars Rover 90 day mission.</p><p><a href="http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status\_opportunity.html" title="nasa.gov">http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status\_opportunity.html</a> [nasa.gov]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because it was the first thing I wanted to know , Spirit 's twin Opportunity is still going strong and puttering around a rock called Marqeutte Island .
So regardless of how Spirit pans out , there 's a really good shot at seeing year 8 of the Mars Rover 90 day mission.http : //marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status \ _opportunity.html [ nasa.gov ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because it was the first thing I wanted to know, Spirit's twin Opportunity is still going strong and puttering around a rock called Marqeutte Island.
So regardless of how Spirit pans out, there's a really good shot at seeing year 8 of the Mars Rover 90 day mission.http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status\_opportunity.html [nasa.gov]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616250</id>
	<title>Great headline, there.</title>
	<author>carlhaagen</author>
	<datestamp>1262341200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Honestly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616062</id>
	<title>HillBilly Engineering at its Finest</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262339100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Floor it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Floor it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Floor it!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616668</id>
	<title>Re:liquid methane oceans...</title>
	<author>KiloByte</author>
	<datestamp>1262345160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except we humans are made to walk on ground.  We know what to do when standing on something, so such a planet is of value to us.</p><p>Bring a few guys to Mars, give them basic tools and here you go: bricks can be made from local material using 5k years old technology, then you get buildings (making them hermetic is merely tricky but not insurmountable), and it's a straight road from there.</p><p>But people stuck in a boat on (or in) an ocean of methane?  I can't see any obvious way to make such an outpost expand.</p><p>Thus, getting that nautical rover of yours would be pure exploration, while a ground vehicle can pave way to getting a foothold in a quite near future.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except we humans are made to walk on ground .
We know what to do when standing on something , so such a planet is of value to us.Bring a few guys to Mars , give them basic tools and here you go : bricks can be made from local material using 5k years old technology , then you get buildings ( making them hermetic is merely tricky but not insurmountable ) , and it 's a straight road from there.But people stuck in a boat on ( or in ) an ocean of methane ?
I ca n't see any obvious way to make such an outpost expand.Thus , getting that nautical rover of yours would be pure exploration , while a ground vehicle can pave way to getting a foothold in a quite near future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except we humans are made to walk on ground.
We know what to do when standing on something, so such a planet is of value to us.Bring a few guys to Mars, give them basic tools and here you go: bricks can be made from local material using 5k years old technology, then you get buildings (making them hermetic is merely tricky but not insurmountable), and it's a straight road from there.But people stuck in a boat on (or in) an ocean of methane?
I can't see any obvious way to make such an outpost expand.Thus, getting that nautical rover of yours would be pure exploration, while a ground vehicle can pave way to getting a foothold in a quite near future.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616594</id>
	<title>better arms</title>
	<author>Bruce Perens</author>
	<datestamp>1262344680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The rovers need a better arm. They should be capable of pushing themselves out of the dust or out of a rolled-over state with one arm. Some of the lunar rover designs have featured wheeled legs, each of which can articulate and also work as an arm (with the wheel twisted aside). If you had 6 articulated legs in a rover, the failure of 2 of them might be tolerable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The rovers need a better arm .
They should be capable of pushing themselves out of the dust or out of a rolled-over state with one arm .
Some of the lunar rover designs have featured wheeled legs , each of which can articulate and also work as an arm ( with the wheel twisted aside ) .
If you had 6 articulated legs in a rover , the failure of 2 of them might be tolerable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The rovers need a better arm.
They should be capable of pushing themselves out of the dust or out of a rolled-over state with one arm.
Some of the lunar rover designs have featured wheeled legs, each of which can articulate and also work as an arm (with the wheel twisted aside).
If you had 6 articulated legs in a rover, the failure of 2 of them might be tolerable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616102</id>
	<title>Let's start digging then...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262339460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Somehow I have a bad feeling that while allowing the rover to remain operational for a bit longer, it will also ironically become stuck in the hole it dug.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Somehow I have a bad feeling that while allowing the rover to remain operational for a bit longer , it will also ironically become stuck in the hole it dug .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Somehow I have a bad feeling that while allowing the rover to remain operational for a bit longer, it will also ironically become stuck in the hole it dug.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616692</id>
	<title>Re:liquid methane oceans...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262345340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except that there are no liquid methane oceans on Mars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that there are no liquid methane oceans on Mars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that there are no liquid methane oceans on Mars.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30617470</id>
	<title>Stop extraction</title>
	<author>Frans Faase</author>
	<datestamp>1262351820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>With the progress they have made in the past weeks, and the problems that they had with the broken wheels (two wheels seems not be 'broken' by now), and the fact that the rover is still sinking deeper and deeper, I think I would stop the extraction process and go for getting Spirit survive the winter. It is a pitty for all the energy they invested in trying to find a safe extraction path with a spare rover here on earth, but maybe it is time to expect that the Spirit rover is stuck forever.</htmltext>
<tokenext>With the progress they have made in the past weeks , and the problems that they had with the broken wheels ( two wheels seems not be 'broken ' by now ) , and the fact that the rover is still sinking deeper and deeper , I think I would stop the extraction process and go for getting Spirit survive the winter .
It is a pitty for all the energy they invested in trying to find a safe extraction path with a spare rover here on earth , but maybe it is time to expect that the Spirit rover is stuck forever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the progress they have made in the past weeks, and the problems that they had with the broken wheels (two wheels seems not be 'broken' by now), and the fact that the rover is still sinking deeper and deeper, I think I would stop the extraction process and go for getting Spirit survive the winter.
It is a pitty for all the energy they invested in trying to find a safe extraction path with a spare rover here on earth, but maybe it is time to expect that the Spirit rover is stuck forever.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30617152</id>
	<title>you know...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262349240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>just digging out this baby alone involves so much work...including engaging tons of experts and running countless simulations...and we still haven't figured out, nor are we confident enough of moving it. this is a far cry from star trek...where Picard just has to ask Commander Data to theorize and reverse polarity and stuffs...and the world is saved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>just digging out this baby alone involves so much work...including engaging tons of experts and running countless simulations...and we still have n't figured out , nor are we confident enough of moving it .
this is a far cry from star trek...where Picard just has to ask Commander Data to theorize and reverse polarity and stuffs...and the world is saved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>just digging out this baby alone involves so much work...including engaging tons of experts and running countless simulations...and we still haven't figured out, nor are we confident enough of moving it.
this is a far cry from star trek...where Picard just has to ask Commander Data to theorize and reverse polarity and stuffs...and the world is saved.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616122</id>
	<title>Re:Incredibly silly headline</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262339640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..or "quality of first posts kept low by stupid comments from Vyse of Arcadia"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..or " quality of first posts kept low by stupid comments from Vyse of Arcadia "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..or "quality of first posts kept low by stupid comments from Vyse of Arcadia"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30636994</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1262534640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>We could afford to send MANY more unmanned missions (not to rescue other unmanned missions...yet) if we weren't spending a disproportionate amount of money on the romantic adventure of sending meat tourists into space. </i></p><p>The only engineering reason for space exploration beyond Earth's orbit is to get people off this rock and propagate the species.  So, we have to know how they react in space to make this possible.</p><p>The rest is academically curious, but ultimately not important if it doesn't help us build settlements.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We could afford to send MANY more unmanned missions ( not to rescue other unmanned missions...yet ) if we were n't spending a disproportionate amount of money on the romantic adventure of sending meat tourists into space .
The only engineering reason for space exploration beyond Earth 's orbit is to get people off this rock and propagate the species .
So , we have to know how they react in space to make this possible.The rest is academically curious , but ultimately not important if it does n't help us build settlements .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We could afford to send MANY more unmanned missions (not to rescue other unmanned missions...yet) if we weren't spending a disproportionate amount of money on the romantic adventure of sending meat tourists into space.
The only engineering reason for space exploration beyond Earth's orbit is to get people off this rock and propagate the species.
So, we have to know how they react in space to make this possible.The rest is academically curious, but ultimately not important if it doesn't help us build settlements.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616048</id>
	<title>Incredibly silly headline</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262338980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>That ranks up there with "People kept alive by breathing."</htmltext>
<tokenext>That ranks up there with " People kept alive by breathing .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That ranks up there with "People kept alive by breathing.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30621920</id>
	<title>Re:Opportunity still going strong</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262444580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Opportunity has had a few quirks with one of its wheels too, and it almost got stuck in a dune again, but, yeah, it's still going strong and <a href="http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/tm-opportunity/opportunity-sol2055.html" title="nasa.gov" rel="nofollow">slowly heading towards the big crater to the southeast, Endeavour</a> [nasa.gov].  It might get there in a year or so if it is still going, and if it doesn't keep finding interesting things along the way that slow it down (it's found a few more meteorites, and the current rock it is investigating, Marquette Island, which seems to be something quite different from what it has seen before).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Opportunity has had a few quirks with one of its wheels too , and it almost got stuck in a dune again , but , yeah , it 's still going strong and slowly heading towards the big crater to the southeast , Endeavour [ nasa.gov ] .
It might get there in a year or so if it is still going , and if it does n't keep finding interesting things along the way that slow it down ( it 's found a few more meteorites , and the current rock it is investigating , Marquette Island , which seems to be something quite different from what it has seen before ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Opportunity has had a few quirks with one of its wheels too, and it almost got stuck in a dune again, but, yeah, it's still going strong and slowly heading towards the big crater to the southeast, Endeavour [nasa.gov].
It might get there in a year or so if it is still going, and if it doesn't keep finding interesting things along the way that slow it down (it's found a few more meteorites, and the current rock it is investigating, Marquette Island, which seems to be something quite different from what it has seen before).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616138</id>
	<title>maybe next time they can put a little backhoe...</title>
	<author>yourassOA</author>
	<datestamp>1262339820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>attachment so it can dig itself out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>attachment so it can dig itself out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>attachment so it can dig itself out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616690</id>
	<title>The Flesh is Willing but the Spirit is Weak</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262345340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Considering how long Spirit has been stuck, it's quite amazing that the MER team keep plugging at this. Or maybe pulling the plug just doesn't occur to them.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)
<p>
--Greg</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering how long Spirit has been stuck , it 's quite amazing that the MER team keep plugging at this .
Or maybe pulling the plug just does n't occur to them .
: - ) --Greg</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering how long Spirit has been stuck, it's quite amazing that the MER team keep plugging at this.
Or maybe pulling the plug just doesn't occur to them.
:-)

--Greg</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30622274</id>
	<title>Re:liquid methane oceans...</title>
	<author>GerryHattrick</author>
	<datestamp>1262447820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Tempting technology afloat, but if you put a transponder as well as a 'message'-in-a-bottle, even here on earth, how confident would you be that it wouldn't just get stuck on the shore in a few days/weeks?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tempting technology afloat , but if you put a transponder as well as a 'message'-in-a-bottle , even here on earth , how confident would you be that it would n't just get stuck on the shore in a few days/weeks ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tempting technology afloat, but if you put a transponder as well as a 'message'-in-a-bottle, even here on earth, how confident would you be that it wouldn't just get stuck on the shore in a few days/weeks?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616268</id>
	<title>rock it!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262341440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>come on! just rock the rover back and forth!</p><p>or get out and push.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>come on !
just rock the rover back and forth ! or get out and push .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>come on!
just rock the rover back and forth!or get out and push.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30618906</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>hughperkins</author>
	<datestamp>1262360880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know, in the future, we'll be able to buy 'Mars Lander kits' from the local model store, outfit them with a tiny nano-camera, and launch them from our back-yard.</p><p>That will be awesome.</p><p>Of course, this prediction is probably up there with flying cars<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P  but one can always dream.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , in the future , we 'll be able to buy 'Mars Lander kits ' from the local model store , outfit them with a tiny nano-camera , and launch them from our back-yard.That will be awesome.Of course , this prediction is probably up there with flying cars : -P but one can always dream .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, in the future, we'll be able to buy 'Mars Lander kits' from the local model store, outfit them with a tiny nano-camera, and launch them from our back-yard.That will be awesome.Of course, this prediction is probably up there with flying cars :-P  but one can always dream.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30617774</id>
	<title>This is why we need to get people up there</title>
	<author>Hazelfield</author>
	<datestamp>1262353680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When you have an entire team of scientists having prolonged discussions about the best solution to such a simple problem as getting a small vehicle out of a sand trap, you know your methods are pretty limited. <br> <br>

If we had people on Mars, problems like these would be trivial to solve. The human body is a tremendously versatile instrument and you don't fully appreciate it until you try to do things with robots - especially if those robots are located several light minutes away. Sending humans to Mars would simplify exploration by leaps and bounds. All that has been discovered so far in 35 years of probe landings could probably be done in a few days with astronauts present.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When you have an entire team of scientists having prolonged discussions about the best solution to such a simple problem as getting a small vehicle out of a sand trap , you know your methods are pretty limited .
If we had people on Mars , problems like these would be trivial to solve .
The human body is a tremendously versatile instrument and you do n't fully appreciate it until you try to do things with robots - especially if those robots are located several light minutes away .
Sending humans to Mars would simplify exploration by leaps and bounds .
All that has been discovered so far in 35 years of probe landings could probably be done in a few days with astronauts present .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you have an entire team of scientists having prolonged discussions about the best solution to such a simple problem as getting a small vehicle out of a sand trap, you know your methods are pretty limited.
If we had people on Mars, problems like these would be trivial to solve.
The human body is a tremendously versatile instrument and you don't fully appreciate it until you try to do things with robots - especially if those robots are located several light minutes away.
Sending humans to Mars would simplify exploration by leaps and bounds.
All that has been discovered so far in 35 years of probe landings could probably be done in a few days with astronauts present.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30620606</id>
	<title>Re:liquid methane oceans...</title>
	<author>metaforest</author>
	<datestamp>1262425080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>it will be nice when we can but a nautical rover in that liquid methane ocean...and not have to pay engineers to kludge their way out every hole, sandy spot, or dusty place. Also be cool if it could use the methane as a fuel source.</p></div><p>That might not work too well...   Gonna bring your own oxygen along to burn the methane?   Probably the best approach would be a 'Newcler Wessle'</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>it will be nice when we can but a nautical rover in that liquid methane ocean...and not have to pay engineers to kludge their way out every hole , sandy spot , or dusty place .
Also be cool if it could use the methane as a fuel source.That might not work too well... Gon na bring your own oxygen along to burn the methane ?
Probably the best approach would be a 'Newcler Wessle '</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it will be nice when we can but a nautical rover in that liquid methane ocean...and not have to pay engineers to kludge their way out every hole, sandy spot, or dusty place.
Also be cool if it could use the methane as a fuel source.That might not work too well...   Gonna bring your own oxygen along to burn the methane?
Probably the best approach would be a 'Newcler Wessle'
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616168</id>
	<title>Re:Let's start digging then...</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1262340240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well it's been stuck now for a long time, if they can't get it loose then it'll die anyway. Right now this is more a marathon event to see how long they can stay alive than anything else, they must have done every secondary and tertiery science mission ever planned for it and is just making it up as they go along now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well it 's been stuck now for a long time , if they ca n't get it loose then it 'll die anyway .
Right now this is more a marathon event to see how long they can stay alive than anything else , they must have done every secondary and tertiery science mission ever planned for it and is just making it up as they go along now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well it's been stuck now for a long time, if they can't get it loose then it'll die anyway.
Right now this is more a marathon event to see how long they can stay alive than anything else, they must have done every secondary and tertiery science mission ever planned for it and is just making it up as they go along now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616102</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30617794</id>
	<title>Design</title>
	<author>ChrisMaple</author>
	<datestamp>1262353800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>This should be a lesson on how not to design a Rover. Getting out of a sand trap isn't hard if you think about it beforehand and plan accordingly. We knew Mars was sandy before we sent them there. Some sort of jacking mechanism that moves the wheels out of the holes they're in, or wheels on articulated arms that can be moved one at a time out of holes. Even bigger wheels would have made getting trapped in the first place less likely.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This should be a lesson on how not to design a Rover .
Getting out of a sand trap is n't hard if you think about it beforehand and plan accordingly .
We knew Mars was sandy before we sent them there .
Some sort of jacking mechanism that moves the wheels out of the holes they 're in , or wheels on articulated arms that can be moved one at a time out of holes .
Even bigger wheels would have made getting trapped in the first place less likely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This should be a lesson on how not to design a Rover.
Getting out of a sand trap isn't hard if you think about it beforehand and plan accordingly.
We knew Mars was sandy before we sent them there.
Some sort of jacking mechanism that moves the wheels out of the holes they're in, or wheels on articulated arms that can be moved one at a time out of holes.
Even bigger wheels would have made getting trapped in the first place less likely.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30622100</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>cyberthanasis12</author>
	<datestamp>1262446380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For me, the only reason for sending robots to space, is to gain experience (flight, science, material etc) for later colonization. Put our humanity eggs to more than one place in space. The reasons are many and are detailed in 'the case for mars' by Robert Zubrin.<br>
<br>
For example, in recent slashdot news, free speech (fourth amendment) is in jeopardy in the US. The same or worse in Europe, where Ireland passed a law about blasphemy. If you wanted to escape these, where would you go?</htmltext>
<tokenext>For me , the only reason for sending robots to space , is to gain experience ( flight , science , material etc ) for later colonization .
Put our humanity eggs to more than one place in space .
The reasons are many and are detailed in 'the case for mars ' by Robert Zubrin .
For example , in recent slashdot news , free speech ( fourth amendment ) is in jeopardy in the US .
The same or worse in Europe , where Ireland passed a law about blasphemy .
If you wanted to escape these , where would you go ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For me, the only reason for sending robots to space, is to gain experience (flight, science, material etc) for later colonization.
Put our humanity eggs to more than one place in space.
The reasons are many and are detailed in 'the case for mars' by Robert Zubrin.
For example, in recent slashdot news, free speech (fourth amendment) is in jeopardy in the US.
The same or worse in Europe, where Ireland passed a law about blasphemy.
If you wanted to escape these, where would you go?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616412</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30620992</id>
	<title>Re:Proof of the tenacity and ingenuity of humanity</title>
	<author>bazorg</author>
	<datestamp>1262431380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>[irish accent]Blasphemy!![/irish accent]</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ irish accent ] Blasphemy ! !
[ /irish accent ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[irish accent]Blasphemy!!
[/irish accent]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616378</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30619664</id>
	<title>Re:Design</title>
	<author>petsounds</author>
	<datestamp>1262369580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>All they had to do was play Moon Patrol to figure that out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All they had to do was play Moon Patrol to figure that out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All they had to do was play Moon Patrol to figure that out.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616198</id>
	<title>Give'er Hell!</title>
	<author>tautog</author>
	<datestamp>1262340600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ya gotta pin it to win it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ya got ta pin it to win it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ya gotta pin it to win it!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616378</id>
	<title>Proof of the tenacity and ingenuity of humanity</title>
	<author>preaction</author>
	<datestamp>1262342640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>7 years ago we put together a robot designed to survive a journey off of our own planet (secured to a fireball), through the vacuum of space (oxygen-breathing life need not apply), land on another planet (falling from miles above the surface) about which little is known (and nothing about the proper tire to use in a martian dust-pit). This tiny robot was hoped to survive for 90 days. It has survived for more than 2,500 days.

This tiny moment of reflection brought to you by the You Really Are Alive In A Great Period of History Foundation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>7 years ago we put together a robot designed to survive a journey off of our own planet ( secured to a fireball ) , through the vacuum of space ( oxygen-breathing life need not apply ) , land on another planet ( falling from miles above the surface ) about which little is known ( and nothing about the proper tire to use in a martian dust-pit ) .
This tiny robot was hoped to survive for 90 days .
It has survived for more than 2,500 days .
This tiny moment of reflection brought to you by the You Really Are Alive In A Great Period of History Foundation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>7 years ago we put together a robot designed to survive a journey off of our own planet (secured to a fireball), through the vacuum of space (oxygen-breathing life need not apply), land on another planet (falling from miles above the surface) about which little is known (and nothing about the proper tire to use in a martian dust-pit).
This tiny robot was hoped to survive for 90 days.
It has survived for more than 2,500 days.
This tiny moment of reflection brought to you by the You Really Are Alive In A Great Period of History Foundation.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30635982</id>
	<title>Re:Let's start digging then...</title>
	<author>t0p</author>
	<datestamp>1262525760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If it's stuck with its solar panels tilted towards the sun, it will stay "alive".  And they can carry on trying to figure out how they might get it unstuck.  But if it's stuck with its solar panels *not* aimed at the sun, its batteries will run down and it will "die".  And that'll be the end of the mission.

Stuck and alive is better than stuck and dead.  As any wildebeest in quicksand would tell you (if wildebeest's could speak).</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it 's stuck with its solar panels tilted towards the sun , it will stay " alive " .
And they can carry on trying to figure out how they might get it unstuck .
But if it 's stuck with its solar panels * not * aimed at the sun , its batteries will run down and it will " die " .
And that 'll be the end of the mission .
Stuck and alive is better than stuck and dead .
As any wildebeest in quicksand would tell you ( if wildebeest 's could speak ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it's stuck with its solar panels tilted towards the sun, it will stay "alive".
And they can carry on trying to figure out how they might get it unstuck.
But if it's stuck with its solar panels *not* aimed at the sun, its batteries will run down and it will "die".
And that'll be the end of the mission.
Stuck and alive is better than stuck and dead.
As any wildebeest in quicksand would tell you (if wildebeest's could speak).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616160</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30620080</id>
	<title>Re:Design</title>
	<author>SoupIsGoodFood\_42</author>
	<datestamp>1262374620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And have you come up with a design for such a device that will work reliably enough to make the addition worthwhile? It's all very well to play arm-chair designer/engineer, but implementation is where things get tricky.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And have you come up with a design for such a device that will work reliably enough to make the addition worthwhile ?
It 's all very well to play arm-chair designer/engineer , but implementation is where things get tricky .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And have you come up with a design for such a device that will work reliably enough to make the addition worthwhile?
It's all very well to play arm-chair designer/engineer, but implementation is where things get tricky.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30617794</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616158</id>
	<title>Heh</title>
	<author>ShooterNeo</author>
	<datestamp>1262340000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know what the solution to this problem is?  Send more rovers.  Lots more.  If we had a spare rover near Spirit, we could probably have it roll over and give Spirit a tow...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know what the solution to this problem is ?
Send more rovers .
Lots more .
If we had a spare rover near Spirit , we could probably have it roll over and give Spirit a tow.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know what the solution to this problem is?
Send more rovers.
Lots more.
If we had a spare rover near Spirit, we could probably have it roll over and give Spirit a tow...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30617040</id>
	<title>the obvious solution.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262348400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>all we have to do is send someone to pull it out of the sand trap.</p><p>IT'S NOT THAT COMPLICATED!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>all we have to do is send someone to pull it out of the sand trap.IT 'S NOT THAT COMPLICATED !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>all we have to do is send someone to pull it out of the sand trap.IT'S NOT THAT COMPLICATED!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30617506</id>
	<title>Re:Let's start digging then...</title>
	<author>Mr. Freeman</author>
	<datestamp>1262352000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The difference is between "stuck" and "stuck and dead".</htmltext>
<tokenext>The difference is between " stuck " and " stuck and dead " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The difference is between "stuck" and "stuck and dead".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616160</id>
	<title>Re:Let's start digging then...</title>
	<author>NotBorg</author>
	<datestamp>1262340000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So they go from stuck to stuck.  What's the difference?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So they go from stuck to stuck .
What 's the difference ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So they go from stuck to stuck.
What's the difference?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616636</id>
	<title>winter is coming.... see for yourselves</title>
	<author>CdBee</author>
	<datestamp>1262345040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Every update on that page gives the Rover's daily power generation in watt-hours. Its plummeting. I found that a fascinating insight into the seasons on an alien planet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Every update on that page gives the Rover 's daily power generation in watt-hours .
Its plummeting .
I found that a fascinating insight into the seasons on an alien planet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every update on that page gives the Rover's daily power generation in watt-hours.
Its plummeting.
I found that a fascinating insight into the seasons on an alien planet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616288</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616200</id>
	<title>liquid methane oceans...</title>
	<author>gandhi\_2</author>
	<datestamp>1262340600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it will be nice when we can but a nautical rover in that liquid methane ocean...and not have to pay engineers to kludge their way out every hole, sandy spot, or dusty place. Also be cool if it could use the methane as a fuel source.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it will be nice when we can but a nautical rover in that liquid methane ocean...and not have to pay engineers to kludge their way out every hole , sandy spot , or dusty place .
Also be cool if it could use the methane as a fuel source .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it will be nice when we can but a nautical rover in that liquid methane ocean...and not have to pay engineers to kludge their way out every hole, sandy spot, or dusty place.
Also be cool if it could use the methane as a fuel source.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30620930</id>
	<title>Re:Design</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1262430360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This should be a lesson on how not to design a Rover. Getting out of a sand trap isn't hard if you think about it beforehand and plan accordingly</p></div><p>Ah HA!  I found you!   I've been looking for you for many years, and here you were hiding on slashdot.</p><p>I just wanted to insult you, being that it is your own personal fault this poor rover is stuck.</p><p>Get your ass back to NASA and tell them all these things you have been to mars to see and think about and plan for accordingly!  Before any more rovers are lost!</p><p>Put away the ranger, and become who you were meant to be!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This should be a lesson on how not to design a Rover .
Getting out of a sand trap is n't hard if you think about it beforehand and plan accordinglyAh HA !
I found you !
I 've been looking for you for many years , and here you were hiding on slashdot.I just wanted to insult you , being that it is your own personal fault this poor rover is stuck.Get your ass back to NASA and tell them all these things you have been to mars to see and think about and plan for accordingly !
Before any more rovers are lost ! Put away the ranger , and become who you were meant to be !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This should be a lesson on how not to design a Rover.
Getting out of a sand trap isn't hard if you think about it beforehand and plan accordinglyAh HA!
I found you!
I've been looking for you for many years, and here you were hiding on slashdot.I just wanted to insult you, being that it is your own personal fault this poor rover is stuck.Get your ass back to NASA and tell them all these things you have been to mars to see and think about and plan for accordingly!
Before any more rovers are lost!Put away the ranger, and become who you were meant to be!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30617794</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616046</id>
	<title>Frosty Piss</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262338920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>On Mars</htmltext>
<tokenext>On Mars</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On Mars</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30618948</id>
	<title>Re:Design</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262361240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These rovers that were to last 90 days have lasted over 2500 days.  To suggest that they have been poorly designed is ludicrous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These rovers that were to last 90 days have lasted over 2500 days .
To suggest that they have been poorly designed is ludicrous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These rovers that were to last 90 days have lasted over 2500 days.
To suggest that they have been poorly designed is ludicrous.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30617794</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30620724</id>
	<title>Re:Proof of the tenacity and ingenuity of humanity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262426700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It was brought to you by hard working engineers at NASA and the American people, thank you tax dollars well spent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was brought to you by hard working engineers at NASA and the American people , thank you tax dollars well spent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was brought to you by hard working engineers at NASA and the American people, thank you tax dollars well spent.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30618358</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1262356800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>You know what the solution to this problem is? Send more rovers. Lots more.</p></div></blockquote><p>Why?  The rovers can only answer a limited set of scientific questions and their landing systems can only reach a very small (and mostly scientifically uninteresting) portion of the planet's surface.  Sending a lot of them is like hoping that, since you can't afford a car, a bunch of matchbox vehicles will serve as a useful replacement.<br>
&nbsp; </p><blockquote><div><p>If we had a spare rover near Spirit, we could probably have it roll over and give Spirit a tow...</p></div></blockquote><p>What a <i>wonderful</i> idea!  Let's replace three quarters of the science payload with a robotic arm/hand and a winch and cable drum just in case one gets stuck an another just happens to be in the same vicinity.  Put a few pots out in your backyard tonight, it just might rain soup.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know what the solution to this problem is ?
Send more rovers .
Lots more.Why ?
The rovers can only answer a limited set of scientific questions and their landing systems can only reach a very small ( and mostly scientifically uninteresting ) portion of the planet 's surface .
Sending a lot of them is like hoping that , since you ca n't afford a car , a bunch of matchbox vehicles will serve as a useful replacement .
  If we had a spare rover near Spirit , we could probably have it roll over and give Spirit a tow...What a wonderful idea !
Let 's replace three quarters of the science payload with a robotic arm/hand and a winch and cable drum just in case one gets stuck an another just happens to be in the same vicinity .
Put a few pots out in your backyard tonight , it just might rain soup .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know what the solution to this problem is?
Send more rovers.
Lots more.Why?
The rovers can only answer a limited set of scientific questions and their landing systems can only reach a very small (and mostly scientifically uninteresting) portion of the planet's surface.
Sending a lot of them is like hoping that, since you can't afford a car, a bunch of matchbox vehicles will serve as a useful replacement.
  If we had a spare rover near Spirit, we could probably have it roll over and give Spirit a tow...What a wonderful idea!
Let's replace three quarters of the science payload with a robotic arm/hand and a winch and cable drum just in case one gets stuck an another just happens to be in the same vicinity.
Put a few pots out in your backyard tonight, it just might rain soup.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616158</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616130</id>
	<title>Re:Let's start digging then...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262339700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's already stuck. They have been trying to free it for the better part of a year.  If it runs out of power, it's not going to move ever again. So they are desperate to get it tilted to improve the power situation.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Brett</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's already stuck .
They have been trying to free it for the better part of a year .
If it runs out of power , it 's not going to move ever again .
So they are desperate to get it tilted to improve the power situation .
          Brett</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's already stuck.
They have been trying to free it for the better part of a year.
If it runs out of power, it's not going to move ever again.
So they are desperate to get it tilted to improve the power situation.
          Brett</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30639488</id>
	<title>Re:Design</title>
	<author>t0p</author>
	<datestamp>1262611920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I really hope you are joking.</p><p>If not, you saying that that a rover that survived for 8 years, that was supposed to only survive 90 days - was poorly designed.</p></div><p>Of course it was poorly designed!  It was supposed to survive for just 90 days yet it's gone on for 8 whole years!  Can't NASA do planned obsolescence properly?!!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I really hope you are joking.If not , you saying that that a rover that survived for 8 years , that was supposed to only survive 90 days - was poorly designed.Of course it was poorly designed !
It was supposed to survive for just 90 days yet it 's gone on for 8 whole years !
Ca n't NASA do planned obsolescence properly ? !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really hope you are joking.If not, you saying that that a rover that survived for 8 years, that was supposed to only survive 90 days - was poorly designed.Of course it was poorly designed!
It was supposed to survive for just 90 days yet it's gone on for 8 whole years!
Can't NASA do planned obsolescence properly?!
!
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616774</id>
	<title>Rock it out.</title>
	<author>omb</author>
	<datestamp>1262346180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can someone in the know indicate if/why it can not rock itself out. About 4 times/year I have to rock my car out of street parking, if I left it out and it snows 10cm.<br><br>You would need to be able to load code to do the rock locally, and a 3d accerometer to decide when to change direction, or floor the drive as you came out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can someone in the know indicate if/why it can not rock itself out .
About 4 times/year I have to rock my car out of street parking , if I left it out and it snows 10cm.You would need to be able to load code to do the rock locally , and a 3d accerometer to decide when to change direction , or floor the drive as you came out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can someone in the know indicate if/why it can not rock itself out.
About 4 times/year I have to rock my car out of street parking, if I left it out and it snows 10cm.You would need to be able to load code to do the rock locally, and a 3d accerometer to decide when to change direction, or floor the drive as you came out.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616392</id>
	<title>Drifting contest</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262342760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Time to smoke some tires.</p><p>The other rover needs a winch like any respectable Range Rover would have.  Sounds like a cheap fly-by-night sort of budget operation...Oh wait, it was.</p><p>Sheldon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Time to smoke some tires.The other rover needs a winch like any respectable Range Rover would have .
Sounds like a cheap fly-by-night sort of budget operation...Oh wait , it was.Sheldon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Time to smoke some tires.The other rover needs a winch like any respectable Range Rover would have.
Sounds like a cheap fly-by-night sort of budget operation...Oh wait, it was.Sheldon</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30639364</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>t0p</author>
	<datestamp>1262610540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>I don't get what you mean about space tourists using up resources that could otherwise be used to develop robots.  Space tourists pay their way.  And if I recall correctly, space tourists have so far been "guests" of the Russian space programme, staying first on Mir and now in Russian quarters on the ISS.  Soon, tourists will be taken into low orbit by private companies.  What does any of this have to do with NASA's Mars rover programme?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't get what you mean about space tourists using up resources that could otherwise be used to develop robots .
Space tourists pay their way .
And if I recall correctly , space tourists have so far been " guests " of the Russian space programme , staying first on Mir and now in Russian quarters on the ISS .
Soon , tourists will be taken into low orbit by private companies .
What does any of this have to do with NASA 's Mars rover programme ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't get what you mean about space tourists using up resources that could otherwise be used to develop robots.
Space tourists pay their way.
And if I recall correctly, space tourists have so far been "guests" of the Russian space programme, staying first on Mir and now in Russian quarters on the ISS.
Soon, tourists will be taken into low orbit by private companies.
What does any of this have to do with NASA's Mars rover programme?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>RobVB</author>
	<datestamp>1262375460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>As <a href="http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/09/02/2219250/Sending-Astronauts-On-a-One-Way-Trip-To-Mars" title="slashdot.org">this article</a> [slashdot.org] says, it would be much easier and much cheaper to send scientists to Mars on a one-way trip. Plenty of comments on the subject are already posted there (many of them hilarious), so I'll keep this comment short.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As this article [ slashdot.org ] says , it would be much easier and much cheaper to send scientists to Mars on a one-way trip .
Plenty of comments on the subject are already posted there ( many of them hilarious ) , so I 'll keep this comment short .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As this article [slashdot.org] says, it would be much easier and much cheaper to send scientists to Mars on a one-way trip.
Plenty of comments on the subject are already posted there (many of them hilarious), so I'll keep this comment short.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30618476</id>
	<title>Re:HillBilly Engineering at its Finest</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262357520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a reason why NASA is in Texas and Florida...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a reason why NASA is in Texas and Florida.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a reason why NASA is in Texas and Florida...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30619144</id>
	<title>Re:Design</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262363400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really hope you are joking.</p><p>If not, you saying that that a rover that survived for 8 years, that was supposed to only survive 90 days - was poorly designed.  Oh, and NASA should have known about this problem (based on all the other rovers we've sent over the years) and added a complicated jacking mechanism and bigger wheels.  And I guess, if in 20 years it gets attacked by aliens someone will post "oh, and they should have seen this coming and added laser defenses."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really hope you are joking.If not , you saying that that a rover that survived for 8 years , that was supposed to only survive 90 days - was poorly designed .
Oh , and NASA should have known about this problem ( based on all the other rovers we 've sent over the years ) and added a complicated jacking mechanism and bigger wheels .
And I guess , if in 20 years it gets attacked by aliens someone will post " oh , and they should have seen this coming and added laser defenses .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really hope you are joking.If not, you saying that that a rover that survived for 8 years, that was supposed to only survive 90 days - was poorly designed.
Oh, and NASA should have known about this problem (based on all the other rovers we've sent over the years) and added a complicated jacking mechanism and bigger wheels.
And I guess, if in 20 years it gets attacked by aliens someone will post "oh, and they should have seen this coming and added laser defenses.
"</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262440140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Send a thousand of those braincontrolled cockroaches they can survive anything or anywhere like the one that got onboard Phoenix. <a href="http://img96.yfrog.com/i/lg6625.jpg/" title="yfrog.com" rel="nofollow">A</a> [yfrog.com] <a href="http://img684.yfrog.com/i/lg6626.jpg/" title="yfrog.com" rel="nofollow">B</a> [yfrog.com] taken SOL 23, don't ask me where I got these.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Send a thousand of those braincontrolled cockroaches they can survive anything or anywhere like the one that got onboard Phoenix .
A [ yfrog.com ] B [ yfrog.com ] taken SOL 23 , do n't ask me where I got these .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Send a thousand of those braincontrolled cockroaches they can survive anything or anywhere like the one that got onboard Phoenix.
A [yfrog.com] B [yfrog.com] taken SOL 23, don't ask me where I got these.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>AnotherUsername</author>
	<datestamp>1262344500000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Well, we could always just start sending people to Mars.  Work towards setting up a research station there, have the people do two year shifts.  Then, when one rolls over, somebody could just roll it back over.
<br> <br>
We could also, once we start sending people to Mars, figure out once and for all whether or not there is life there(bacterial or otherwise), and if there is not, we could start the terraforming process.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , we could always just start sending people to Mars .
Work towards setting up a research station there , have the people do two year shifts .
Then , when one rolls over , somebody could just roll it back over .
We could also , once we start sending people to Mars , figure out once and for all whether or not there is life there ( bacterial or otherwise ) , and if there is not , we could start the terraforming process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, we could always just start sending people to Mars.
Work towards setting up a research station there, have the people do two year shifts.
Then, when one rolls over, somebody could just roll it back over.
We could also, once we start sending people to Mars, figure out once and for all whether or not there is life there(bacterial or otherwise), and if there is not, we could start the terraforming process.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30616412</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1262342880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"You know what the solution to this problem is? Send more rovers. Lots more. If we had a spare rover near Spirit, we could probably have it roll over and give Spirit a tow..."</p><p>We could afford to send MANY more unmanned missions (not to rescue other unmanned missions...yet) if we weren't spending a disproportionate amount of money on the romantic adventure of sending meat tourists into space. If the public want romance, let them fap to science fiction.</p><p>We are wasting resources that could be advancing the vital robotic capabilities we REQUIRE ANYWAY to explore the universe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" You know what the solution to this problem is ?
Send more rovers .
Lots more .
If we had a spare rover near Spirit , we could probably have it roll over and give Spirit a tow... " We could afford to send MANY more unmanned missions ( not to rescue other unmanned missions...yet ) if we were n't spending a disproportionate amount of money on the romantic adventure of sending meat tourists into space .
If the public want romance , let them fap to science fiction.We are wasting resources that could be advancing the vital robotic capabilities we REQUIRE ANYWAY to explore the universe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"You know what the solution to this problem is?
Send more rovers.
Lots more.
If we had a spare rover near Spirit, we could probably have it roll over and give Spirit a tow..."We could afford to send MANY more unmanned missions (not to rescue other unmanned missions...yet) if we weren't spending a disproportionate amount of money on the romantic adventure of sending meat tourists into space.
If the public want romance, let them fap to science fiction.We are wasting resources that could be advancing the vital robotic capabilities we REQUIRE ANYWAY to explore the universe.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_198243.30632088</id>
	<title>common design exists on earth</title>
	<author>zogger</author>
	<datestamp>1262538840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>The best tried and true design with wheels for traveling, plus be able to pull or push yourself out if stuck, without getting out of the cab or needing outside assistance, plus do all sorts of useful work, is the backhoe with front end loader and levelers.</p><p>I bet if Nasa contracted some radio shack RC toy company, told them to build a super little backhoe design, it would work really well on martian terrain, and come in cheap. You can roll or "walk" with one of them.</p><p>I do like that idea of the convertible folding wheels though, go from all rolling to all insect type walking. That "bigdog" pack robot walks pretty good. This is one of the dang coolest machines ever built:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2bExqhhWRI#" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2bExqhhWRI#</a> [youtube.com]</p><p>When it comes to not getting stuck in the first place though, over moderate terrain, like you see in most of the mars pics..tracks. I think using wheels there where they knew it was really dusty was a mistake.</p><p>
&nbsp; Major obstacles terrain, lotsa boulders and so on to go over and around, something like that bigdog bot.  I watched some linemen who had to get a heavy cable, seems it was a phone cable but don't remember now, through really rough steep mountainous terrain up in Vermont. They used a huge Belgian draft horse. Had to snake around trees and over rocks and all sorts of nasty stuff, no way with any machinery. That was a super point A to B "machine", that horse took off with that cable attached to a giant spool on the truck and just walked away with it like nuthin' and pulled it out, like half a mile or something.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The best tried and true design with wheels for traveling , plus be able to pull or push yourself out if stuck , without getting out of the cab or needing outside assistance , plus do all sorts of useful work , is the backhoe with front end loader and levelers.I bet if Nasa contracted some radio shack RC toy company , told them to build a super little backhoe design , it would work really well on martian terrain , and come in cheap .
You can roll or " walk " with one of them.I do like that idea of the convertible folding wheels though , go from all rolling to all insect type walking .
That " bigdog " pack robot walks pretty good .
This is one of the dang coolest machines ever built : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = b2bExqhhWRI # [ youtube.com ] When it comes to not getting stuck in the first place though , over moderate terrain , like you see in most of the mars pics..tracks .
I think using wheels there where they knew it was really dusty was a mistake .
  Major obstacles terrain , lotsa boulders and so on to go over and around , something like that bigdog bot .
I watched some linemen who had to get a heavy cable , seems it was a phone cable but do n't remember now , through really rough steep mountainous terrain up in Vermont .
They used a huge Belgian draft horse .
Had to snake around trees and over rocks and all sorts of nasty stuff , no way with any machinery .
That was a super point A to B " machine " , that horse took off with that cable attached to a giant spool on the truck and just walked away with it like nuthin ' and pulled it out , like half a mile or something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best tried and true design with wheels for traveling, plus be able to pull or push yourself out if stuck, without getting out of the cab or needing outside assistance, plus do all sorts of useful work, is the backhoe with front end loader and levelers.I bet if Nasa contracted some radio shack RC toy company, told them to build a super little backhoe design, it would work really well on martian terrain, and come in cheap.
You can roll or "walk" with one of them.I do like that idea of the convertible folding wheels though, go from all rolling to all insect type walking.
That "bigdog" pack robot walks pretty good.
This is one of the dang coolest machines ever built:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2bExqhhWRI# [youtube.com]When it comes to not getting stuck in the first place though, over moderate terrain, like you see in most of the mars pics..tracks.
I think using wheels there where they knew it was really dusty was a mistake.
  Major obstacles terrain, lotsa boulders and so on to go over and around, something like that bigdog bot.
I watched some linemen who had to get a heavy cable, seems it was a phone cable but don't remember now, through really rough steep mountainous terrain up in Vermont.
They used a huge Belgian draft horse.
Had to snake around trees and over rocks and all sorts of nasty stuff, no way with any machinery.
That was a super point A to B "machine", that horse took off with that cable attached to a giant spool on the truck and just walked away with it like nuthin' and pulled it out, like half a mile or something.</sentencetext>
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