<article>
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	<title>Nintendo Shuts Down Fan-Made Zelda Movie</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1262359500000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Andorin writes <i>"An independently filmed adaptation of <em>The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time</em>, called <em>The Hero Of Time</em>, has been <a href="http://www.theherooftime.com/2009/12/the-hero-of-time-update-01-01-10/">taken offline by Nintendo</a> as of the end of December. The film's producers write: 'We came to an agreement with Nintendo earlier this month to stop distributing the film... We understand Nintendo's right to protect its characters and trademarks and understand how in order to keep their property unspoiled by fan's interpretation of the franchise, Nintendo needs to protect itself &mdash; even from fan-works with good intentions.' Filming for the feature-length, non-profit film began in August 2004 and the movie was completed in 2008. It premiered in various theaters worldwide, including in New York and Los Angeles, and then became available online in the middle of December, before it was targeted by Nintendo's legal team. As both an avid Zelda fan and an appreciator of independent works, I was extremely disappointed in Nintendo's strong-arming of a noncommercial adaptation to the Game of the Year for 1999."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Andorin writes " An independently filmed adaptation of The Legend of Zelda : Ocarina of Time , called The Hero Of Time , has been taken offline by Nintendo as of the end of December .
The film 's producers write : 'We came to an agreement with Nintendo earlier this month to stop distributing the film... We understand Nintendo 's right to protect its characters and trademarks and understand how in order to keep their property unspoiled by fan 's interpretation of the franchise , Nintendo needs to protect itself    even from fan-works with good intentions .
' Filming for the feature-length , non-profit film began in August 2004 and the movie was completed in 2008 .
It premiered in various theaters worldwide , including in New York and Los Angeles , and then became available online in the middle of December , before it was targeted by Nintendo 's legal team .
As both an avid Zelda fan and an appreciator of independent works , I was extremely disappointed in Nintendo 's strong-arming of a noncommercial adaptation to the Game of the Year for 1999 .
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<sentencetext>Andorin writes "An independently filmed adaptation of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, called The Hero Of Time, has been taken offline by Nintendo as of the end of December.
The film's producers write: 'We came to an agreement with Nintendo earlier this month to stop distributing the film... We understand Nintendo's right to protect its characters and trademarks and understand how in order to keep their property unspoiled by fan's interpretation of the franchise, Nintendo needs to protect itself — even from fan-works with good intentions.
' Filming for the feature-length, non-profit film began in August 2004 and the movie was completed in 2008.
It premiered in various theaters worldwide, including in New York and Los Angeles, and then became available online in the middle of December, before it was targeted by Nintendo's legal team.
As both an avid Zelda fan and an appreciator of independent works, I was extremely disappointed in Nintendo's strong-arming of a noncommercial adaptation to the Game of the Year for 1999.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30616586</id>
	<title>Re:Streisand effect!</title>
	<author>Ihmhi</author>
	<datestamp>1262344560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Someone needs to upload a torrent and include <a href="http://www.talkingwav.com/mario\_zelda/zelda\_05.wav" title="talkingwav.com">this sound file</a> [talkingwav.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone needs to upload a torrent and include this sound file [ talkingwav.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone needs to upload a torrent and include this sound file [talkingwav.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30615402</id>
	<title>Re:Actually...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262376180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Butchering? Who cares? Their work is not sacred or inviolable and deserves no such protection.</p><p>Get over yourselves, no art or entertainment is that special.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Butchering ?
Who cares ?
Their work is not sacred or inviolable and deserves no such protection.Get over yourselves , no art or entertainment is that special .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Butchering?
Who cares?
Their work is not sacred or inviolable and deserves no such protection.Get over yourselves, no art or entertainment is that special.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614208</id>
	<title>Took awhile?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262363340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Surprised it took so long for them to take the thing down, what with it having been in theaters and all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Surprised it took so long for them to take the thing down , what with it having been in theaters and all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Surprised it took so long for them to take the thing down, what with it having been in theaters and all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614510</id>
	<title>Re:Actually...</title>
	<author>Nemyst</author>
	<datestamp>1262366340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They most likely forgot that the people who made them run since the beginning still exist. All they care about now are grandmas and soccer moms playing Wii Fit...<br>
<br>
I seriously hope their utter lack of respect for their fans comes and bites them in the ass.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They most likely forgot that the people who made them run since the beginning still exist .
All they care about now are grandmas and soccer moms playing Wii Fit.. . I seriously hope their utter lack of respect for their fans comes and bites them in the ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They most likely forgot that the people who made them run since the beginning still exist.
All they care about now are grandmas and soccer moms playing Wii Fit...

I seriously hope their utter lack of respect for their fans comes and bites them in the ass.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30615228</id>
	<title>Re:Actually...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262374380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Good will should be expected from everyone.  Without it, you're a dick, by definition.  And when you give good will, you get it back.</p></div><p>Did you give to one or more charities?<br>Did you donate blood?<br>Did you drop off foodstuffs at your local food bank?<br>Did you offer to volunteer your time at a youth center?</p><p>If you didn't do all of the above, are you a dick?</p><p>There are countless organizations and people who could use your help. Is it reasonable for all of them to expect some form of support and/or goodwill from you or anyone else specifically?</p><p>Also, when I donate to charities or drop off items at youth support centers, I expect, and invariably receive, nothing back.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good will should be expected from everyone .
Without it , you 're a dick , by definition .
And when you give good will , you get it back.Did you give to one or more charities ? Did you donate blood ? Did you drop off foodstuffs at your local food bank ? Did you offer to volunteer your time at a youth center ? If you did n't do all of the above , are you a dick ? There are countless organizations and people who could use your help .
Is it reasonable for all of them to expect some form of support and/or goodwill from you or anyone else specifically ? Also , when I donate to charities or drop off items at youth support centers , I expect , and invariably receive , nothing back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good will should be expected from everyone.
Without it, you're a dick, by definition.
And when you give good will, you get it back.Did you give to one or more charities?Did you donate blood?Did you drop off foodstuffs at your local food bank?Did you offer to volunteer your time at a youth center?If you didn't do all of the above, are you a dick?There are countless organizations and people who could use your help.
Is it reasonable for all of them to expect some form of support and/or goodwill from you or anyone else specifically?Also, when I donate to charities or drop off items at youth support centers, I expect, and invariably receive, nothing back.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614614</id>
	<title>maybe it was exactly why those bastards did it ?</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1262367540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the nintendo party i mean ? by creating a stampede which the net community wouldnt like, they had advertised the thing in a way they couldnt even if they have spent tens of millions of bucks</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the nintendo party i mean ?
by creating a stampede which the net community wouldnt like , they had advertised the thing in a way they couldnt even if they have spent tens of millions of bucks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the nintendo party i mean ?
by creating a stampede which the net community wouldnt like, they had advertised the thing in a way they couldnt even if they have spent tens of millions of bucks</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30624214</id>
	<title>Re:Lessons Learned</title>
	<author>cffrost</author>
	<datestamp>1262458860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Any child could tell you that if there's a significant risk of permission being denied, permission should not be sought. The creators of this film made the correct decision; the film's complete and readily available.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Any child could tell you that if there 's a significant risk of permission being denied , permission should not be sought .
The creators of this film made the correct decision ; the film 's complete and readily available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any child could tell you that if there's a significant risk of permission being denied, permission should not be sought.
The creators of this film made the correct decision; the film's complete and readily available.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614762</id>
	<title>Streisand...</title>
	<author>lq\_x\_pl</author>
	<datestamp>1262369040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Like others have pointed out, I was totally unaware of the movie (and hadn't thought of Zelda for months) until this story came out.  I have to wonder if maybe Nintendo is smarter than we're giving them credit for being.<p>  I am certainly going to hunt down a rogue copy of this forbidden film, and dust off my old Zelda games.
When is Nintendo releasing the next Zelda game?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like others have pointed out , I was totally unaware of the movie ( and had n't thought of Zelda for months ) until this story came out .
I have to wonder if maybe Nintendo is smarter than we 're giving them credit for being .
I am certainly going to hunt down a rogue copy of this forbidden film , and dust off my old Zelda games .
When is Nintendo releasing the next Zelda game ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like others have pointed out, I was totally unaware of the movie (and hadn't thought of Zelda for months) until this story came out.
I have to wonder if maybe Nintendo is smarter than we're giving them credit for being.
I am certainly going to hunt down a rogue copy of this forbidden film, and dust off my old Zelda games.
When is Nintendo releasing the next Zelda game?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614398</id>
	<title>Re:Actually...</title>
	<author>Jeff DeMaagd</author>
	<datestamp>1262365260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>[quote]For instance, CBS allows use of Star Trek properties for non-profit use.[/quote]</p><p>Paramount (CBS) wasn't always like that, it took them a while to come around.  There was one time where they tried to shut down all Star Trek fan sites, at least partly as a way to funnel fans to the official site, which I think was supposed to be a pay site.</p><p>I can see both sides of it, it looks to me to be a delicate balancing act.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ quote ] For instance , CBS allows use of Star Trek properties for non-profit use .
[ /quote ] Paramount ( CBS ) was n't always like that , it took them a while to come around .
There was one time where they tried to shut down all Star Trek fan sites , at least partly as a way to funnel fans to the official site , which I think was supposed to be a pay site.I can see both sides of it , it looks to me to be a delicate balancing act .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[quote]For instance, CBS allows use of Star Trek properties for non-profit use.
[/quote]Paramount (CBS) wasn't always like that, it took them a while to come around.
There was one time where they tried to shut down all Star Trek fan sites, at least partly as a way to funnel fans to the official site, which I think was supposed to be a pay site.I can see both sides of it, it looks to me to be a delicate balancing act.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30615142</id>
	<title>Re:Streisand effect!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262373420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm skeptical of the streisand effect in this story. So much crap like this happens that we are being desensitized to it. Also, in this case, this happening is exposing me to a product I won't care about in a week (the actual fanfic), and is making me more aware of the Zelda franchise, which actually helps Nintendo.</p><p>I think the streisand effect, in small doses or for things that are more significant, can have a positive effect in select cases, but not here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm skeptical of the streisand effect in this story .
So much crap like this happens that we are being desensitized to it .
Also , in this case , this happening is exposing me to a product I wo n't care about in a week ( the actual fanfic ) , and is making me more aware of the Zelda franchise , which actually helps Nintendo.I think the streisand effect , in small doses or for things that are more significant , can have a positive effect in select cases , but not here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm skeptical of the streisand effect in this story.
So much crap like this happens that we are being desensitized to it.
Also, in this case, this happening is exposing me to a product I won't care about in a week (the actual fanfic), and is making me more aware of the Zelda franchise, which actually helps Nintendo.I think the streisand effect, in small doses or for things that are more significant, can have a positive effect in select cases, but not here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30619240</id>
	<title>Re:Conversely</title>
	<author>Requiem18th</author>
	<datestamp>1262364240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Without these pricks, the fans would have no Zelda.</p></div><p>I doubt the lawyers a.k.a. the pricks had that much influence in Miyamoto to start making games.</p><p>Also there is this concept I wish american companies were more aware about: Doujinshi.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Without these pricks , the fans would have no Zelda.I doubt the lawyers a.k.a .
the pricks had that much influence in Miyamoto to start making games.Also there is this concept I wish american companies were more aware about : Doujinshi .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without these pricks, the fans would have no Zelda.I doubt the lawyers a.k.a.
the pricks had that much influence in Miyamoto to start making games.Also there is this concept I wish american companies were more aware about: Doujinshi.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614492</id>
	<title>Nothing new here.</title>
	<author>Stumbles</author>
	<datestamp>1262366220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just another example of how companies shoot themselves in the foot, strangle interest and circumvent a prime method of promoting their product; all in the name of that false idea of "protecting themselves". Had some one in their executive management pulled their head out of their ass, they could have capitalized on this to no end. Not that I care one way or another how this played out. It just seems one of the major problems companies have is the; not invented here syndrome.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just another example of how companies shoot themselves in the foot , strangle interest and circumvent a prime method of promoting their product ; all in the name of that false idea of " protecting themselves " .
Had some one in their executive management pulled their head out of their ass , they could have capitalized on this to no end .
Not that I care one way or another how this played out .
It just seems one of the major problems companies have is the ; not invented here syndrome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just another example of how companies shoot themselves in the foot, strangle interest and circumvent a prime method of promoting their product; all in the name of that false idea of "protecting themselves".
Had some one in their executive management pulled their head out of their ass, they could have capitalized on this to no end.
Not that I care one way or another how this played out.
It just seems one of the major problems companies have is the; not invented here syndrome.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614892</id>
	<title>Uh...</title>
	<author>boxfetish</author>
	<datestamp>1262370360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...I had never even heard of this movie/project until I read this story.  I am now happily downloading the torrent for viewing.  Several orders of magnitude more people will now see this movie than otherwise would have.  Way to protect your IP, Nintendo!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>...I had never even heard of this movie/project until I read this story .
I am now happily downloading the torrent for viewing .
Several orders of magnitude more people will now see this movie than otherwise would have .
Way to protect your IP , Nintendo !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...I had never even heard of this movie/project until I read this story.
I am now happily downloading the torrent for viewing.
Several orders of magnitude more people will now see this movie than otherwise would have.
Way to protect your IP, Nintendo!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30615770</id>
	<title>They could have embraced it</title>
	<author>grapeape</author>
	<datestamp>1262336460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I cant believe I'm saying this about George Lucas and Steven Spielberg, but perhaps Nintendo would have been better served to take a lesson from them and embrace this fan production for what it is an homage to a great franchise?  Anyone remember the fan made "remake" of Raiders of the Lost Ark?  They could have even gone so far as to sponsor it, offer it as a download on the Wii or a bonus feature on the next Zelda game, instead all they managed to do was alienate some of the very fans they rely on for their success.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I cant believe I 'm saying this about George Lucas and Steven Spielberg , but perhaps Nintendo would have been better served to take a lesson from them and embrace this fan production for what it is an homage to a great franchise ?
Anyone remember the fan made " remake " of Raiders of the Lost Ark ?
They could have even gone so far as to sponsor it , offer it as a download on the Wii or a bonus feature on the next Zelda game , instead all they managed to do was alienate some of the very fans they rely on for their success .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I cant believe I'm saying this about George Lucas and Steven Spielberg, but perhaps Nintendo would have been better served to take a lesson from them and embrace this fan production for what it is an homage to a great franchise?
Anyone remember the fan made "remake" of Raiders of the Lost Ark?
They could have even gone so far as to sponsor it, offer it as a download on the Wii or a bonus feature on the next Zelda game, instead all they managed to do was alienate some of the very fans they rely on for their success.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30624246</id>
	<title>Re:Actually...</title>
	<author>Bigjeff5</author>
	<datestamp>1262459040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This production was original enough that it probably was not a copyright issue.  It was a film adaptation of a game, which is going to be very, very different (and different is key with copyright).</p><p>Where this project gets into trouble is with Trademark infringement.  Zelda is trademarked, and owned by Nintendo.  They must vigorously defend this trademark or it becomes null.</p><p>Fan fiction is generally considered fair use, it's just those trademarks that can get you in trouble.  As long as nothing is sold I think you're in the clear, but once money changes hands there is infiringement on the trademark.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This production was original enough that it probably was not a copyright issue .
It was a film adaptation of a game , which is going to be very , very different ( and different is key with copyright ) .Where this project gets into trouble is with Trademark infringement .
Zelda is trademarked , and owned by Nintendo .
They must vigorously defend this trademark or it becomes null.Fan fiction is generally considered fair use , it 's just those trademarks that can get you in trouble .
As long as nothing is sold I think you 're in the clear , but once money changes hands there is infiringement on the trademark .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This production was original enough that it probably was not a copyright issue.
It was a film adaptation of a game, which is going to be very, very different (and different is key with copyright).Where this project gets into trouble is with Trademark infringement.
Zelda is trademarked, and owned by Nintendo.
They must vigorously defend this trademark or it becomes null.Fan fiction is generally considered fair use, it's just those trademarks that can get you in trouble.
As long as nothing is sold I think you're in the clear, but once money changes hands there is infiringement on the trademark.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30616244</id>
	<title>lmgtfy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262341080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=the+hero+of+time+filetype\%3Atorrent" title="lmgtfy.com" rel="nofollow">Let me google that for you.</a> [lmgtfy.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me google that for you .
[ lmgtfy.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me google that for you.
[lmgtfy.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614996</id>
	<title>To keep this from happening again...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262371680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... next time, make a movie of Ys.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... next time , make a movie of Ys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... next time, make a movie of Ys.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614972</id>
	<title>Re:Lessons Learned</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1262371380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just because the fan could have handled this better doesn't make this takedown any less an evil act.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just because the fan could have handled this better does n't make this takedown any less an evil act .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just because the fan could have handled this better doesn't make this takedown any less an evil act.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614716</id>
	<title>Re:Lessons Learned</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262368560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It never occurs to him at  any point along the way to  ask Nintendo for their permission and support. It comes as a surprise when the rights holder pulls the plug.</p></div></blockquote><p>"Contrition is better than permission."

</p><p>If they had asked Nintendo, it's a near certainty that Nintendo would have said "no!" and that would be that. This way, they got to make their movie, screen it, and it's now on the Intarwebz.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It never occurs to him at any point along the way to ask Nintendo for their permission and support .
It comes as a surprise when the rights holder pulls the plug .
" Contrition is better than permission .
" If they had asked Nintendo , it 's a near certainty that Nintendo would have said " no !
" and that would be that .
This way , they got to make their movie , screen it , and it 's now on the Intarwebz .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It never occurs to him at  any point along the way to  ask Nintendo for their permission and support.
It comes as a surprise when the rights holder pulls the plug.
"Contrition is better than permission.
"

If they had asked Nintendo, it's a near certainty that Nintendo would have said "no!
" and that would be that.
This way, they got to make their movie, screen it, and it's now on the Intarwebz.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614360</id>
	<title>Lessons Learned</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262364960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The fan spends four <b> <i>years</i></b>  in production. The film is screened in New York and L.A.</p><p>It never occurs to him at <b> <i>any</i></b>  point along the way to <b> <i>ask</i></b>  Nintendo for their permission and support. It comes as a surprise when the rights holder pulls the plug.</p><p>There is a way to get it right:</p><p><a href="http://www.thehuntforgollum.com/" title="thehuntforgollum.com" rel="nofollow">The Hunt for Gollum</a> [thehuntforgollum.com]<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fan spends four years in production .
The film is screened in New York and L.A.It never occurs to him at any point along the way to ask Nintendo for their permission and support .
It comes as a surprise when the rights holder pulls the plug.There is a way to get it right : The Hunt for Gollum [ thehuntforgollum.com ]    </tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fan spends four  years  in production.
The film is screened in New York and L.A.It never occurs to him at  any  point along the way to  ask  Nintendo for their permission and support.
It comes as a surprise when the rights holder pulls the plug.There is a way to get it right:The Hunt for Gollum [thehuntforgollum.com]
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614798</id>
	<title>Re:Derivative Works</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262369460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What law has to do with rights?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What law has to do with rights ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What law has to do with rights?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614760</id>
	<title>Re:The Hero of Time still lives on...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262369040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5251247/The\_Hero\_of\_Time" title="thepiratebay.org" rel="nofollow">Here</a> [thepiratebay.org].</p><p>For those too lazy to google it.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here [ thepiratebay.org ] .For those too lazy to google it .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here [thepiratebay.org].For those too lazy to google it.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30615282</id>
	<title>Evidently Nintendo never been to comiket...</title>
	<author>Lead Butthead</author>
	<datestamp>1262374920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comiket" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comiket</a> [wikipedia.org]Comiket, where characters from all walks of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... from variety of different genres are regularly spoiled in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doujinshi" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doujinshi</a> [wikipedia.org]Doujinshi, often in ways not for the faint of heart.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comiket [ wikipedia.org ] Comiket , where characters from all walks of ... from variety of different genres are regularly spoiled in http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doujinshi [ wikipedia.org ] Doujinshi , often in ways not for the faint of heart .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comiket [wikipedia.org]Comiket, where characters from all walks of ... from variety of different genres are regularly spoiled in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doujinshi [wikipedia.org]Doujinshi, often in ways not for the faint of heart.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614574</id>
	<title>Preparing in advance</title>
	<author>davmoo</author>
	<datestamp>1262367060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whether Nintendo is right or wrong, all of the heartbreak could have been prevented in advance of all that work if the makers of the movie had done one simple thing first...ask permission.  Of course, I'm also smart enough to know why they didn't do that...they knew they probably wouldn't get it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whether Nintendo is right or wrong , all of the heartbreak could have been prevented in advance of all that work if the makers of the movie had done one simple thing first...ask permission .
Of course , I 'm also smart enough to know why they did n't do that...they knew they probably would n't get it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whether Nintendo is right or wrong, all of the heartbreak could have been prevented in advance of all that work if the makers of the movie had done one simple thing first...ask permission.
Of course, I'm also smart enough to know why they didn't do that...they knew they probably wouldn't get it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30622362</id>
	<title>Re:Streisand effect!</title>
	<author>bmpc</author>
	<datestamp>1262448600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I actually came across the video a week or so ago... watched a few seconds and dispatched the link to a friend of mine's that is a Zelda-addict.</p><p>And I probably wasn't gonna go to the site again.</p><p>Then I saw this on slashdot... and my interest went up and I started to look for it on torrent sites.</p><p>Funny stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I actually came across the video a week or so ago... watched a few seconds and dispatched the link to a friend of mine 's that is a Zelda-addict.And I probably was n't gon na go to the site again.Then I saw this on slashdot... and my interest went up and I started to look for it on torrent sites.Funny stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I actually came across the video a week or so ago... watched a few seconds and dispatched the link to a friend of mine's that is a Zelda-addict.And I probably wasn't gonna go to the site again.Then I saw this on slashdot... and my interest went up and I started to look for it on torrent sites.Funny stuff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30622994</id>
	<title>Re:Nintendo sucks</title>
	<author>trytoguess</author>
	<datestamp>1262452560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's one way to look at it. Another is that the movie makers are artists. This group varies wildly on what they think should be allowed with other people's art, but because they create art, they understand the possessiveness one feels when you pour your heart and soul into a project and the desire to protect said project against outside influence at all cost. Because of this, I find artists tend to be surprisingly lax when it comes to take-down notices like this one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's one way to look at it .
Another is that the movie makers are artists .
This group varies wildly on what they think should be allowed with other people 's art , but because they create art , they understand the possessiveness one feels when you pour your heart and soul into a project and the desire to protect said project against outside influence at all cost .
Because of this , I find artists tend to be surprisingly lax when it comes to take-down notices like this one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's one way to look at it.
Another is that the movie makers are artists.
This group varies wildly on what they think should be allowed with other people's art, but because they create art, they understand the possessiveness one feels when you pour your heart and soul into a project and the desire to protect said project against outside influence at all cost.
Because of this, I find artists tend to be surprisingly lax when it comes to take-down notices like this one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30616612</id>
	<title>Re:Kinda shocked</title>
	<author>ArundelCastle</author>
	<datestamp>1262344860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm not sure why Nintendo would want to do this - it's only a negative for them, spreading all this ill will.</p> </div><p>Define all. I think it's a bummer for the creators, but in no way whatsoever will this impact my Nintendo purchasing habits. Whatsoever. This is the first time I've even heard of the project, and if I never see it I doubt my life will be lacking for it.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Nintendo primarily sells interactive products, so a noninteractive fan film would not be in direct competition with well, anything they sell. That is, unless they decide to develop a full length Zelda film. Remember how well <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super\_Mario\_Bros.\_(film)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Super Mario Bros.</a> [wikipedia.org] turned out?</p></div><p>Stronger arguments than this used to be made for the case of sharing ROMs without owning the carts, and morally justifying retro game piracy.  Then the Wii came out and virtually every mainstream title Nintendo has published is, or will be on their Virtual Console service.  Point being, you have utterly no idea what they could be planning to profit from. It's commonly known as having All Rights Reserved.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure why Nintendo would want to do this - it 's only a negative for them , spreading all this ill will .
Define all .
I think it 's a bummer for the creators , but in no way whatsoever will this impact my Nintendo purchasing habits .
Whatsoever. This is the first time I 've even heard of the project , and if I never see it I doubt my life will be lacking for it.Nintendo primarily sells interactive products , so a noninteractive fan film would not be in direct competition with well , anything they sell .
That is , unless they decide to develop a full length Zelda film .
Remember how well Super Mario Bros. [ wikipedia.org ] turned out ? Stronger arguments than this used to be made for the case of sharing ROMs without owning the carts , and morally justifying retro game piracy .
Then the Wii came out and virtually every mainstream title Nintendo has published is , or will be on their Virtual Console service .
Point being , you have utterly no idea what they could be planning to profit from .
It 's commonly known as having All Rights Reserved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure why Nintendo would want to do this - it's only a negative for them, spreading all this ill will.
Define all.
I think it's a bummer for the creators, but in no way whatsoever will this impact my Nintendo purchasing habits.
Whatsoever. This is the first time I've even heard of the project, and if I never see it I doubt my life will be lacking for it.Nintendo primarily sells interactive products, so a noninteractive fan film would not be in direct competition with well, anything they sell.
That is, unless they decide to develop a full length Zelda film.
Remember how well Super Mario Bros. [wikipedia.org] turned out?Stronger arguments than this used to be made for the case of sharing ROMs without owning the carts, and morally justifying retro game piracy.
Then the Wii came out and virtually every mainstream title Nintendo has published is, or will be on their Virtual Console service.
Point being, you have utterly no idea what they could be planning to profit from.
It's commonly known as having All Rights Reserved.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614292</id>
	<title>Re:Derivative Works</title>
	<author>pecosdave</author>
	<datestamp>1262364180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The editor of Mad Magazine would like to have a word with you.</p><p>Parody is derived is it now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The editor of Mad Magazine would like to have a word with you.Parody is derived is it now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The editor of Mad Magazine would like to have a word with you.Parody is derived is it now?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30615464</id>
	<title>Re:Actually...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262376660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You misunderstand the nature of "Intellectual Property" rights.  It is not a "natural right" (such as the the right to bodily integrity).  It is an artificial state-granted monopoly.  And it's purpose is not to grant control over a person's work because they have a property claim to it.  The US's IP regime exists to incentivize people to produce, because it benefits the public good.  You appear to have some conception that producer's have an innate right to rigorous control over their work.  This isn't how things work (at least in the US), and if you push on some of your assumptions, you will see how your system would lead to some absurd results.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You misunderstand the nature of " Intellectual Property " rights .
It is not a " natural right " ( such as the the right to bodily integrity ) .
It is an artificial state-granted monopoly .
And it 's purpose is not to grant control over a person 's work because they have a property claim to it .
The US 's IP regime exists to incentivize people to produce , because it benefits the public good .
You appear to have some conception that producer 's have an innate right to rigorous control over their work .
This is n't how things work ( at least in the US ) , and if you push on some of your assumptions , you will see how your system would lead to some absurd results .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You misunderstand the nature of "Intellectual Property" rights.
It is not a "natural right" (such as the the right to bodily integrity).
It is an artificial state-granted monopoly.
And it's purpose is not to grant control over a person's work because they have a property claim to it.
The US's IP regime exists to incentivize people to produce, because it benefits the public good.
You appear to have some conception that producer's have an innate right to rigorous control over their work.
This isn't how things work (at least in the US), and if you push on some of your assumptions, you will see how your system would lead to some absurd results.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30617132</id>
	<title>Personally...</title>
	<author>Anachragnome</author>
	<datestamp>1262349060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Personally, I think fan-art is reserved for those with little creative ability, but plenty of time and desire.</p><p>Every time I see fan-art, no matter how good, I end up asking myself "Why don't they just come up with their own works/stories/plots that don't rely on the creativity of others?". The only reason I can come up with is they are incapable.</p><p>My own daughter, a graphic artist, does the same thing. She spends hundreds of hours creating fan-art that has no possible monetary value, then complains that she can't find a job in graphics.<br>Does that mean my daughter is not creative? To some extent, yes. But here is the difference. She CHOOSES not to be creative by not even trying to do something outside the franchises of others.</p><p>So, I guess the real question is whether or not people are doing it for "fun", or trying to make a living out of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , I think fan-art is reserved for those with little creative ability , but plenty of time and desire.Every time I see fan-art , no matter how good , I end up asking myself " Why do n't they just come up with their own works/stories/plots that do n't rely on the creativity of others ? " .
The only reason I can come up with is they are incapable.My own daughter , a graphic artist , does the same thing .
She spends hundreds of hours creating fan-art that has no possible monetary value , then complains that she ca n't find a job in graphics.Does that mean my daughter is not creative ?
To some extent , yes .
But here is the difference .
She CHOOSES not to be creative by not even trying to do something outside the franchises of others.So , I guess the real question is whether or not people are doing it for " fun " , or trying to make a living out of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, I think fan-art is reserved for those with little creative ability, but plenty of time and desire.Every time I see fan-art, no matter how good, I end up asking myself "Why don't they just come up with their own works/stories/plots that don't rely on the creativity of others?".
The only reason I can come up with is they are incapable.My own daughter, a graphic artist, does the same thing.
She spends hundreds of hours creating fan-art that has no possible monetary value, then complains that she can't find a job in graphics.Does that mean my daughter is not creative?
To some extent, yes.
But here is the difference.
She CHOOSES not to be creative by not even trying to do something outside the franchises of others.So, I guess the real question is whether or not people are doing it for "fun", or trying to make a living out of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614282</id>
	<title>Streisand effect!</title>
	<author>pecosdave</author>
	<datestamp>1262364120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now I'm curious and I'm going to have to hunt down a copy of that movie, that I would never have heard of had Nintendo just let it be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now I 'm curious and I 'm going to have to hunt down a copy of that movie , that I would never have heard of had Nintendo just let it be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now I'm curious and I'm going to have to hunt down a copy of that movie, that I would never have heard of had Nintendo just let it be.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614228</id>
	<title>Nintendo sucks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262363580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>We understand Nintendo's right to protect its characters and trademarks and understand how in order to keep their property unspoiled by fan's interpretation of the franchise, Nintendo needs to protect itself -- even from fan-works with good intentions.</p></div></blockquote><p>It's bad enough Nintendo shut them down.  Forcing them to put out a "mea culpa" statement like this (no doubt with hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars of lawsuits promised if they did not) is absolutely disgusting.  Even if they did manage to put a little edge in it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We understand Nintendo 's right to protect its characters and trademarks and understand how in order to keep their property unspoiled by fan 's interpretation of the franchise , Nintendo needs to protect itself -- even from fan-works with good intentions.It 's bad enough Nintendo shut them down .
Forcing them to put out a " mea culpa " statement like this ( no doubt with hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars of lawsuits promised if they did not ) is absolutely disgusting .
Even if they did manage to put a little edge in it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We understand Nintendo's right to protect its characters and trademarks and understand how in order to keep their property unspoiled by fan's interpretation of the franchise, Nintendo needs to protect itself -- even from fan-works with good intentions.It's bad enough Nintendo shut them down.
Forcing them to put out a "mea culpa" statement like this (no doubt with hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars of lawsuits promised if they did not) is absolutely disgusting.
Even if they did manage to put a little edge in it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30616400</id>
	<title>Does Nintendo have tunnel vision?</title>
	<author>gordguide</author>
	<datestamp>1262342820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does anyone else find it interesting that this movie can open in theaters worldwide, and in major American markets like Los Angeles and New York, without a peep from Nintendo, but the moment it goes online, the beast awakens?<br>Did Nintendo even know about the film before it was posted for all on the web?</p><p>There may be nothing to it, but it does appear, at least, that Nintendo doesn't have any feelers at all in the real world, while actively hunting on the web.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone else find it interesting that this movie can open in theaters worldwide , and in major American markets like Los Angeles and New York , without a peep from Nintendo , but the moment it goes online , the beast awakens ? Did Nintendo even know about the film before it was posted for all on the web ? There may be nothing to it , but it does appear , at least , that Nintendo does n't have any feelers at all in the real world , while actively hunting on the web .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone else find it interesting that this movie can open in theaters worldwide, and in major American markets like Los Angeles and New York, without a peep from Nintendo, but the moment it goes online, the beast awakens?Did Nintendo even know about the film before it was posted for all on the web?There may be nothing to it, but it does appear, at least, that Nintendo doesn't have any feelers at all in the real world, while actively hunting on the web.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614890</id>
	<title>Re:Streisand effect?</title>
	<author>Chris Burke</author>
	<datestamp>1262370300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can see how it's mechanically like the Streisand Effect -- try to silence something, end up drawing more attention to it.  But the reason for the suppression isn't that the thing being taken down is embarrassing or otherwise damaging to them, so the consequence seems... inconsequential.</p><p>I also doubt it's deliberate.  They probably just don't care.  More people downloading the movie from torrent sites is less important than them throwing their legal weight around.  The only downside is how we feel about them for doing the take down.  Which is the "corporations are jerk-asses" effect, not the Streisand Effect.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can see how it 's mechanically like the Streisand Effect -- try to silence something , end up drawing more attention to it .
But the reason for the suppression is n't that the thing being taken down is embarrassing or otherwise damaging to them , so the consequence seems... inconsequential.I also doubt it 's deliberate .
They probably just do n't care .
More people downloading the movie from torrent sites is less important than them throwing their legal weight around .
The only downside is how we feel about them for doing the take down .
Which is the " corporations are jerk-asses " effect , not the Streisand Effect .
: P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can see how it's mechanically like the Streisand Effect -- try to silence something, end up drawing more attention to it.
But the reason for the suppression isn't that the thing being taken down is embarrassing or otherwise damaging to them, so the consequence seems... inconsequential.I also doubt it's deliberate.
They probably just don't care.
More people downloading the movie from torrent sites is less important than them throwing their legal weight around.
The only downside is how we feel about them for doing the take down.
Which is the "corporations are jerk-asses" effect, not the Streisand Effect.
:P</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614204</id>
	<title>So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262363340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Got a link?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Got a link ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Got a link?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30615684</id>
	<title>Fan projects == bad, porn == alright</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262378880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nintendo has always been stalwart when it comes to protecting their copyrights.  Nintendo has a long history of comments about fair use, personal backups, and so forth that might even make Ken Kutaragi, <a href="http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/06/sony-wants-you-to-earn-that-playstation-3/" title="joystiq.com">Mr. "PS3 gamers should get a second job"</a> [joystiq.com], laugh out loud. Their actions are usually quite in line with their statements.</p><p>But, something I have never heard about, despite trawling some of the darkest parts of the internet, is Nintendo going after creators of porn based on Nintendo IP.  This has always confused me--I'm not really for nor against them going after the artists, but considering the potential harm they might do to Nintendo's brand, you'd think it would be of a higher priority.  Even more astounding, at least to me, is that as far as I can tell THOT was being given away for free, while there are plenty of toon porn sites out there that charge for their content (though piracy often slips around this).  I would think it almost a no-brainer for Nintendo to go after the commercial sites and more popular/notorious artists to scare off the little guys. And, yet, I've never heard of a single case or even a C&amp;D.</p><p>In fact, I've never heard of any company acting upon toon porn (and any cosplay porn that may exist.)  Why is this? Are they somehow not aware it exists? Rule 34 is a popular enough concept at this point that I would think the idea would have at least entered their head from somewhere.  Are they scared of bringing the world of drawn pornography to the limelight? After <a href="http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2009-05-20/iowa-man-pleads-guilty-to-possessing-obscene-visual-representations-of-the-sexual-abuse-of-children" title="animenewsnetwork.com">an Iowa man was thrown in jail for kiddie toon porn</a> [animenewsnetwork.com] ("shota yaoi"), Nintendo (and other similar companies) could get even more help from the FBI and local police forces (looking to make a name for themselves) going after the artists of any underaged characters. Nintendo obviously isn't going just for profit makers (<a href="http://www.snopes.com/disney/wdco/daycare.asp" title="snopes.com">Neither is Disney</a> [snopes.com]), so their lack of action in this regard leaves me scratching my head.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..Oh, and, uh, boo copyright, overzealous corporations, fish, fish, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nintendo has always been stalwart when it comes to protecting their copyrights .
Nintendo has a long history of comments about fair use , personal backups , and so forth that might even make Ken Kutaragi , Mr. " PS3 gamers should get a second job " [ joystiq.com ] , laugh out loud .
Their actions are usually quite in line with their statements.But , something I have never heard about , despite trawling some of the darkest parts of the internet , is Nintendo going after creators of porn based on Nintendo IP .
This has always confused me--I 'm not really for nor against them going after the artists , but considering the potential harm they might do to Nintendo 's brand , you 'd think it would be of a higher priority .
Even more astounding , at least to me , is that as far as I can tell THOT was being given away for free , while there are plenty of toon porn sites out there that charge for their content ( though piracy often slips around this ) .
I would think it almost a no-brainer for Nintendo to go after the commercial sites and more popular/notorious artists to scare off the little guys .
And , yet , I 've never heard of a single case or even a C&amp;D.In fact , I 've never heard of any company acting upon toon porn ( and any cosplay porn that may exist .
) Why is this ?
Are they somehow not aware it exists ?
Rule 34 is a popular enough concept at this point that I would think the idea would have at least entered their head from somewhere .
Are they scared of bringing the world of drawn pornography to the limelight ?
After an Iowa man was thrown in jail for kiddie toon porn [ animenewsnetwork.com ] ( " shota yaoi " ) , Nintendo ( and other similar companies ) could get even more help from the FBI and local police forces ( looking to make a name for themselves ) going after the artists of any underaged characters .
Nintendo obviously is n't going just for profit makers ( Neither is Disney [ snopes.com ] ) , so their lack of action in this regard leaves me scratching my head .
..Oh , and , uh , boo copyright , overzealous corporations , fish , fish , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nintendo has always been stalwart when it comes to protecting their copyrights.
Nintendo has a long history of comments about fair use, personal backups, and so forth that might even make Ken Kutaragi, Mr. "PS3 gamers should get a second job" [joystiq.com], laugh out loud.
Their actions are usually quite in line with their statements.But, something I have never heard about, despite trawling some of the darkest parts of the internet, is Nintendo going after creators of porn based on Nintendo IP.
This has always confused me--I'm not really for nor against them going after the artists, but considering the potential harm they might do to Nintendo's brand, you'd think it would be of a higher priority.
Even more astounding, at least to me, is that as far as I can tell THOT was being given away for free, while there are plenty of toon porn sites out there that charge for their content (though piracy often slips around this).
I would think it almost a no-brainer for Nintendo to go after the commercial sites and more popular/notorious artists to scare off the little guys.
And, yet, I've never heard of a single case or even a C&amp;D.In fact, I've never heard of any company acting upon toon porn (and any cosplay porn that may exist.
)  Why is this?
Are they somehow not aware it exists?
Rule 34 is a popular enough concept at this point that I would think the idea would have at least entered their head from somewhere.
Are they scared of bringing the world of drawn pornography to the limelight?
After an Iowa man was thrown in jail for kiddie toon porn [animenewsnetwork.com] ("shota yaoi"), Nintendo (and other similar companies) could get even more help from the FBI and local police forces (looking to make a name for themselves) going after the artists of any underaged characters.
Nintendo obviously isn't going just for profit makers (Neither is Disney [snopes.com]), so their lack of action in this regard leaves me scratching my head.
..Oh, and, uh, boo copyright, overzealous corporations, fish, fish, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30618800</id>
	<title>Another fan-made Zelda "Movie"</title>
	<author>admiralZ</author>
	<datestamp>1262359920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hey, did anyone here ever see the ign.com April Fools joke trailer for 2008? Watch it <a href="http://movies.ign.com/articles/746/746927p1.html" title="ign.com" rel="nofollow">here.</a> [ign.com]  Compare this with the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB89-9X6YS0" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">YouTube trailer for The Hero of Time movie</a> [youtube.com] (<a href="http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2120645/new\_zelda\_movie\_trailer\_the\_hero\_of\_time/" title="metacafe.com" rel="nofollow">alternate version</a> [metacafe.com]).  You will immediately notice a difference in quality (in IGN's favor).  Nintendo probably didn't pursue IGN for their joke trailer, but that may be due to the fact that IGN wasn't actually making a movie, just an April Fools trailer.  But, if I were Nintendo, and I were inclined to grant trademark lenience, having seen both of these samples, I would choose the IGN version, because the Hero of Time movie looks puerile by comparison (and, yes, I do mean that it looks like a child filmed and post-produced it).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , did anyone here ever see the ign.com April Fools joke trailer for 2008 ?
Watch it here .
[ ign.com ] Compare this with the YouTube trailer for The Hero of Time movie [ youtube.com ] ( alternate version [ metacafe.com ] ) .
You will immediately notice a difference in quality ( in IGN 's favor ) .
Nintendo probably did n't pursue IGN for their joke trailer , but that may be due to the fact that IGN was n't actually making a movie , just an April Fools trailer .
But , if I were Nintendo , and I were inclined to grant trademark lenience , having seen both of these samples , I would choose the IGN version , because the Hero of Time movie looks puerile by comparison ( and , yes , I do mean that it looks like a child filmed and post-produced it ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, did anyone here ever see the ign.com April Fools joke trailer for 2008?
Watch it here.
[ign.com]  Compare this with the YouTube trailer for The Hero of Time movie [youtube.com] (alternate version [metacafe.com]).
You will immediately notice a difference in quality (in IGN's favor).
Nintendo probably didn't pursue IGN for their joke trailer, but that may be due to the fact that IGN wasn't actually making a movie, just an April Fools trailer.
But, if I were Nintendo, and I were inclined to grant trademark lenience, having seen both of these samples, I would choose the IGN version, because the Hero of Time movie looks puerile by comparison (and, yes, I do mean that it looks like a child filmed and post-produced it).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614448</id>
	<title>Re:Actually...</title>
	<author>Megane</author>
	<datestamp>1262365800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As I recall from knowing a couple of people in the Star Trek fanzine community back in the '80s, Star Trek is a special case as far as fanfics go. It seems that Desilu didn't register the copyrights properly for the first season, so fanfics without Chekov are fair game. Or at least that's how they explained it to me.
</p><p>Of course what you have linked to includes Chekov, so they couldn't use that excuse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As I recall from knowing a couple of people in the Star Trek fanzine community back in the '80s , Star Trek is a special case as far as fanfics go .
It seems that Desilu did n't register the copyrights properly for the first season , so fanfics without Chekov are fair game .
Or at least that 's how they explained it to me .
Of course what you have linked to includes Chekov , so they could n't use that excuse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As I recall from knowing a couple of people in the Star Trek fanzine community back in the '80s, Star Trek is a special case as far as fanfics go.
It seems that Desilu didn't register the copyrights properly for the first season, so fanfics without Chekov are fair game.
Or at least that's how they explained it to me.
Of course what you have linked to includes Chekov, so they couldn't use that excuse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614610</id>
	<title>Re:Conversely</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262367540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Losing a handful of fan filmmakers wouldn't make much of a dent in Nintendo's sales.  But I doubt that the fan film hurts Nintendo any either.  The problem is that the fans put a lot of work into something which they don't have permission to use the trademarks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Losing a handful of fan filmmakers would n't make much of a dent in Nintendo 's sales .
But I doubt that the fan film hurts Nintendo any either .
The problem is that the fans put a lot of work into something which they do n't have permission to use the trademarks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Losing a handful of fan filmmakers wouldn't make much of a dent in Nintendo's sales.
But I doubt that the fan film hurts Nintendo any either.
The problem is that the fans put a lot of work into something which they don't have permission to use the trademarks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614592</id>
	<title>p2p to the rescue</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1262367360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>thats why it is there. and, fuck nintendos strong arming legal team. if anything, they made the company lose much more in value in PR than they made save in zelda's image.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>thats why it is there .
and , fuck nintendos strong arming legal team .
if anything , they made the company lose much more in value in PR than they made save in zelda 's image .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>thats why it is there.
and, fuck nintendos strong arming legal team.
if anything, they made the company lose much more in value in PR than they made save in zelda's image.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614428</id>
	<title>Re:Actually...</title>
	<author>abigsmurf</author>
	<datestamp>1262365560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>You have no right to rip off other people's work without permission. What is an homage to one person is a horrible butchering of something they've spent years of their lives working to another.
<br> <br>
CBS are liberal with permissions to use Star Trek stuff. Good for them. Other creators do not wish the same things of their properties. Do not confuse one group's good will with something that should be expected from everyone.
<br> <br>
I gave to a charity the other day. You should give to them too. It's outrageous that you have yet to donate to them! If I can donate, I see no reason why you shouldn't too!</htmltext>
<tokenext>You have no right to rip off other people 's work without permission .
What is an homage to one person is a horrible butchering of something they 've spent years of their lives working to another .
CBS are liberal with permissions to use Star Trek stuff .
Good for them .
Other creators do not wish the same things of their properties .
Do not confuse one group 's good will with something that should be expected from everyone .
I gave to a charity the other day .
You should give to them too .
It 's outrageous that you have yet to donate to them !
If I can donate , I see no reason why you should n't too !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have no right to rip off other people's work without permission.
What is an homage to one person is a horrible butchering of something they've spent years of their lives working to another.
CBS are liberal with permissions to use Star Trek stuff.
Good for them.
Other creators do not wish the same things of their properties.
Do not confuse one group's good will with something that should be expected from everyone.
I gave to a charity the other day.
You should give to them too.
It's outrageous that you have yet to donate to them!
If I can donate, I see no reason why you shouldn't too!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614246</id>
	<title>Derivative Works</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262363700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The owner of the copyright has the *exclusive* right to make derivative works.</p><p>That includes everything, for-profit or not-for-profit.</p><p>If you want to make a derivative work of someone else's stuff, you have to ask for (and receive) permission first.</p><p>I realize the slashdot crowd doesn't agree with all that, but it is the existing law.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The owner of the copyright has the * exclusive * right to make derivative works.That includes everything , for-profit or not-for-profit.If you want to make a derivative work of someone else 's stuff , you have to ask for ( and receive ) permission first.I realize the slashdot crowd does n't agree with all that , but it is the existing law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The owner of the copyright has the *exclusive* right to make derivative works.That includes everything, for-profit or not-for-profit.If you want to make a derivative work of someone else's stuff, you have to ask for (and receive) permission first.I realize the slashdot crowd doesn't agree with all that, but it is the existing law.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614708</id>
	<title>The Film Can be Found Here:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262368500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For those interested, there are several links to download the film on this thread:</p><p><a href="http://www.legendofzeldaseries.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&amp;t=10488&amp;sid=18caba8996498f0b9de3aa34d9d2718d" title="legendofzeldaseries.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.legendofzeldaseries.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&amp;t=10488&amp;sid=18caba8996498f0b9de3aa34d9d2718d</a> [legendofzeldaseries.com]</p><p>There are torrent and Mega Upload links.  Thank you, Nintendo, for generating the press to alert me to this work which I never would've otherwise found about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For those interested , there are several links to download the film on this thread : http : //www.legendofzeldaseries.com/forums/viewtopic.php ? f = 20&amp;t = 10488&amp;sid = 18caba8996498f0b9de3aa34d9d2718d [ legendofzeldaseries.com ] There are torrent and Mega Upload links .
Thank you , Nintendo , for generating the press to alert me to this work which I never would 've otherwise found about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For those interested, there are several links to download the film on this thread:http://www.legendofzeldaseries.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&amp;t=10488&amp;sid=18caba8996498f0b9de3aa34d9d2718d [legendofzeldaseries.com]There are torrent and Mega Upload links.
Thank you, Nintendo, for generating the press to alert me to this work which I never would've otherwise found about.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614404</id>
	<title>Re:Streisand effect!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262365320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Easy as pie: http://thepiratebay.org/search/The\%20Hero\%20of\%20Time/0/7/0</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Easy as pie : http : //thepiratebay.org/search/The \ % 20Hero \ % 20of \ % 20Time/0/7/0</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Easy as pie: http://thepiratebay.org/search/The\%20Hero\%20of\%20Time/0/7/0</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614502</id>
	<title>Conversely</title>
	<author>abigsmurf</author>
	<datestamp>1262366280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Without these pricks, the fans would have no Zelda.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Without these pricks , the fans would have no Zelda .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without these pricks, the fans would have no Zelda.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614394</id>
	<title>Reminds me of...</title>
	<author>Vyse of Arcadia</author>
	<datestamp>1262365200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Reminds me of when Sqeenix decided to shut down that <a href="http://www.destructoid.com/square-enix-shuts-down-chrono-fan-game-crimson-echoes-131702.phtml" title="destructoid.com">Chrono Trigger</a> [destructoid.com] fan game.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Reminds me of when Sqeenix decided to shut down that Chrono Trigger [ destructoid.com ] fan game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reminds me of when Sqeenix decided to shut down that Chrono Trigger [destructoid.com] fan game.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30619200</id>
	<title>Thank you Nintendo!</title>
	<author>Requiem18th</author>
	<datestamp>1262363940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Without you I'd never knew about this movie!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Without you I 'd never knew about this movie !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without you I'd never knew about this movie!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614222</id>
	<title>Pick and choose?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262363520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't get it... Nintendo let the (completed) and arguably much better <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x\_CtKEjoMfI&amp;feature=related" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">Light of Courage</a> [youtube.com] Zelda series stay up. Why would they take this one down?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't get it... Nintendo let the ( completed ) and arguably much better Light of Courage [ youtube.com ] Zelda series stay up .
Why would they take this one down ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't get it... Nintendo let the (completed) and arguably much better Light of Courage [youtube.com] Zelda series stay up.
Why would they take this one down?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30627032</id>
	<title>And Nintendo took it down because...</title>
	<author>m6ack</author>
	<datestamp>1262433060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BECAUSE IT <b>SUCKS</b>!!!
</p><p>I watched it, and it <i>really</i> sucks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BECAUSE IT SUCKS ! ! !
I watched it , and it really sucks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BECAUSE IT SUCKS!!!
I watched it, and it really sucks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30619572</id>
	<title>Re:Lessons Learned</title>
	<author>mqduck</author>
	<datestamp>1262368560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It never occurs to him at  any point along the way to  ask Nintendo for their permission and support.</p></div><p>There's no way they would have received it. This way, it got made and people saw it, and Nintendo even allowed them to keep showing it through 2009. The summary here is perhaps purposely misleading. The sentence being skipped over with '...' is "In the spirit of the holiday season they were good enough to let us keep the movie up for you to watch and enjoy through the end of 2009, but not past 2009."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It never occurs to him at any point along the way to ask Nintendo for their permission and support.There 's no way they would have received it .
This way , it got made and people saw it , and Nintendo even allowed them to keep showing it through 2009 .
The summary here is perhaps purposely misleading .
The sentence being skipped over with '... ' is " In the spirit of the holiday season they were good enough to let us keep the movie up for you to watch and enjoy through the end of 2009 , but not past 2009 .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It never occurs to him at  any point along the way to  ask Nintendo for their permission and support.There's no way they would have received it.
This way, it got made and people saw it, and Nintendo even allowed them to keep showing it through 2009.
The summary here is perhaps purposely misleading.
The sentence being skipped over with '...' is "In the spirit of the holiday season they were good enough to let us keep the movie up for you to watch and enjoy through the end of 2009, but not past 2009.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30636470</id>
	<title>Still haven't watched the film.</title>
	<author>strawberryutopia</author>
	<datestamp>1262529540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thank Codd I've already downloaded it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank Codd I 've already downloaded it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank Codd I've already downloaded it!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30621278</id>
	<title>The movie looked terrible anyway</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262435580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I saw the trailer, It doesn't look like a big loss to the world that it was shut down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I saw the trailer , It does n't look like a big loss to the world that it was shut down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I saw the trailer, It doesn't look like a big loss to the world that it was shut down.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614202</id>
	<title>"Unspoiled by fan's interpretation's"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262363280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Without these evil fans they have no sales. Pricks. And I'm not even a gamer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Without these evil fans they have no sales .
Pricks. And I 'm not even a gamer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without these evil fans they have no sales.
Pricks. And I'm not even a gamer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30615610</id>
	<title>Re:The Hero of Time still lives on...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262378100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's a link on my favourite bittorrent site, btjunkie.org</p><p>http://dl.btjunkie.org/torrent/The-Legend-of-Zelda-Movie-The-Hero-of-Time-fanmade-avi/435813d5e16f295de4c8f2540ea0aeb8f58b3ac2ebc0/download.torrent</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's a link on my favourite bittorrent site , btjunkie.orghttp : //dl.btjunkie.org/torrent/The-Legend-of-Zelda-Movie-The-Hero-of-Time-fanmade-avi/435813d5e16f295de4c8f2540ea0aeb8f58b3ac2ebc0/download.torrent</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's a link on my favourite bittorrent site, btjunkie.orghttp://dl.btjunkie.org/torrent/The-Legend-of-Zelda-Movie-The-Hero-of-Time-fanmade-avi/435813d5e16f295de4c8f2540ea0aeb8f58b3ac2ebc0/download.torrent</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614446</id>
	<title>Nintendo Needs zelda</title>
	<author>moniker127</author>
	<datestamp>1262365800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously- what does nintendo have besides zelda?
Mario- thats it!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously- what does nintendo have besides zelda ?
Mario- thats it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously- what does nintendo have besides zelda?
Mario- thats it!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30616516</id>
	<title>Good for nintendo.</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1262343780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not usually one to buck the mob, but today is an exception.</p><p>Yes, I actually rushed to download and watch the movie before the legal warriors started trying to get it stamped out, expecting to see a great work of art saved from suppression by corporate greed.</p><p>But after watching the mp4, I think I have a pretty good idea why Nintendo would want to suppress this.</p><p>The movie...freaking...SUCKED!</p><p>Way too many deviations from the canon plot of the game, cheesy scripts, and "Darunia" was a complete ditz for a rock-solid "prince of the gorons".  He reminded me of a cross between Spock and Jar Jar Binks, in fact, and coming from a trekkie like myself that's saying something.  Where's the Zora King?  Hell, Epona wasn't even white maned, or even named IIRC.  Link?  Um...when did he get ADD?</p><p>I could go on...</p><p>In their shoes I wouldn't want my precious mascotts trotted out by amateurs either.</p><p>I am an avid fan of the series and I could barely bring myself to finish watching it.  It was sad.</p><p>If Nintendo had had the foresight to make the movie themselves...with a professional cast and a corporate backed budget, you can bet your iron boots they'd have made a fortune on it.  They'd have done it right, if they'd have bothered to do it at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not usually one to buck the mob , but today is an exception.Yes , I actually rushed to download and watch the movie before the legal warriors started trying to get it stamped out , expecting to see a great work of art saved from suppression by corporate greed.But after watching the mp4 , I think I have a pretty good idea why Nintendo would want to suppress this.The movie...freaking...SUCKED ! Way too many deviations from the canon plot of the game , cheesy scripts , and " Darunia " was a complete ditz for a rock-solid " prince of the gorons " .
He reminded me of a cross between Spock and Jar Jar Binks , in fact , and coming from a trekkie like myself that 's saying something .
Where 's the Zora King ?
Hell , Epona was n't even white maned , or even named IIRC .
Link ? Um...when did he get ADD ? I could go on...In their shoes I would n't want my precious mascotts trotted out by amateurs either.I am an avid fan of the series and I could barely bring myself to finish watching it .
It was sad.If Nintendo had had the foresight to make the movie themselves...with a professional cast and a corporate backed budget , you can bet your iron boots they 'd have made a fortune on it .
They 'd have done it right , if they 'd have bothered to do it at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not usually one to buck the mob, but today is an exception.Yes, I actually rushed to download and watch the movie before the legal warriors started trying to get it stamped out, expecting to see a great work of art saved from suppression by corporate greed.But after watching the mp4, I think I have a pretty good idea why Nintendo would want to suppress this.The movie...freaking...SUCKED!Way too many deviations from the canon plot of the game, cheesy scripts, and "Darunia" was a complete ditz for a rock-solid "prince of the gorons".
He reminded me of a cross between Spock and Jar Jar Binks, in fact, and coming from a trekkie like myself that's saying something.
Where's the Zora King?
Hell, Epona wasn't even white maned, or even named IIRC.
Link?  Um...when did he get ADD?I could go on...In their shoes I wouldn't want my precious mascotts trotted out by amateurs either.I am an avid fan of the series and I could barely bring myself to finish watching it.
It was sad.If Nintendo had had the foresight to make the movie themselves...with a professional cast and a corporate backed budget, you can bet your iron boots they'd have made a fortune on it.
They'd have done it right, if they'd have bothered to do it at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614590</id>
	<title>Re:Lessons Learned</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262367300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Asking for permission can be a thorny issue.</p><p>Sometimes, there is a tacit understanding that you can do certain things and get away with it, as long as you don't force someone to state whether what you're doing is OK or not. One example might be people sharing live recordings of independent musicians - chances are most musicians won't come down on you if you do it, but if you explicitely ask if you're allowed to do so, they'll say no, simply because they cannot say yes.</p><p>Maybe these guys thought the same would be true: that while Nintendo couldn't say yes, they wouldn't say no.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Asking for permission can be a thorny issue.Sometimes , there is a tacit understanding that you can do certain things and get away with it , as long as you do n't force someone to state whether what you 're doing is OK or not .
One example might be people sharing live recordings of independent musicians - chances are most musicians wo n't come down on you if you do it , but if you explicitely ask if you 're allowed to do so , they 'll say no , simply because they can not say yes.Maybe these guys thought the same would be true : that while Nintendo could n't say yes , they would n't say no .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Asking for permission can be a thorny issue.Sometimes, there is a tacit understanding that you can do certain things and get away with it, as long as you don't force someone to state whether what you're doing is OK or not.
One example might be people sharing live recordings of independent musicians - chances are most musicians won't come down on you if you do it, but if you explicitely ask if you're allowed to do so, they'll say no, simply because they cannot say yes.Maybe these guys thought the same would be true: that while Nintendo couldn't say yes, they wouldn't say no.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614736</id>
	<title>in other news today...</title>
	<author>ewrong</author>
	<datestamp>1262368740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...torrent traffic sees huge spike for previously unheard of movie.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...torrent traffic sees huge spike for previously unheard of movie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...torrent traffic sees huge spike for previously unheard of movie.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30618450</id>
	<title>This is just another case of...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262357340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>shitting in the faces of your fans. Whatever happened to "the customer is always right"? Hello, these people are your customers! If you don't treat them with dignity and respect, then they will no longer be your customers. Also like above, the only ones they seem to have problems with are true adoring fans. They have no qualms with hentai porn makers or other people even when their works are derogatory or illegal, but the real law-abiding citizens and fans are where their hatred lies. I've tried and tried again many times to like Nintendo. Between the n64 and psx, I chose the n64 first. Out of the 128 bit systems I chose the Gamecube first and out of this generation I chose the wii first. I think that qualifies me to some respect from nintendo for beo loyal, but me and others like me are be defecated on by nintendo and though many times by the other two, to a much lesser extent. All they see when they look at us is money and we are nothing to them. There, I said it. Nintendo, you better make a Zelda movie or else I will shun you from my household "for all and eternity".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>shitting in the faces of your fans .
Whatever happened to " the customer is always right " ?
Hello , these people are your customers !
If you do n't treat them with dignity and respect , then they will no longer be your customers .
Also like above , the only ones they seem to have problems with are true adoring fans .
They have no qualms with hentai porn makers or other people even when their works are derogatory or illegal , but the real law-abiding citizens and fans are where their hatred lies .
I 've tried and tried again many times to like Nintendo .
Between the n64 and psx , I chose the n64 first .
Out of the 128 bit systems I chose the Gamecube first and out of this generation I chose the wii first .
I think that qualifies me to some respect from nintendo for beo loyal , but me and others like me are be defecated on by nintendo and though many times by the other two , to a much lesser extent .
All they see when they look at us is money and we are nothing to them .
There , I said it .
Nintendo , you better make a Zelda movie or else I will shun you from my household " for all and eternity " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>shitting in the faces of your fans.
Whatever happened to "the customer is always right"?
Hello, these people are your customers!
If you don't treat them with dignity and respect, then they will no longer be your customers.
Also like above, the only ones they seem to have problems with are true adoring fans.
They have no qualms with hentai porn makers or other people even when their works are derogatory or illegal, but the real law-abiding citizens and fans are where their hatred lies.
I've tried and tried again many times to like Nintendo.
Between the n64 and psx, I chose the n64 first.
Out of the 128 bit systems I chose the Gamecube first and out of this generation I chose the wii first.
I think that qualifies me to some respect from nintendo for beo loyal, but me and others like me are be defecated on by nintendo and though many times by the other two, to a much lesser extent.
All they see when they look at us is money and we are nothing to them.
There, I said it.
Nintendo, you better make a Zelda movie or else I will shun you from my household "for all and eternity".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30618220</id>
	<title>Creator complex</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262356020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This then is the problem with a lot of these so-called "creators". They assume that their "creative" work was "created" in a vacuum, as if they their stories are 100-percent original and didn't incorporate elements from already existing works. Isaac Newton, a much greater intellect than 99.99 percent of these glorified hacks, had the humility to say: "If I have seen further it is only by standing on the shoulders of giants."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This then is the problem with a lot of these so-called " creators " .
They assume that their " creative " work was " created " in a vacuum , as if they their stories are 100-percent original and did n't incorporate elements from already existing works .
Isaac Newton , a much greater intellect than 99.99 percent of these glorified hacks , had the humility to say : " If I have seen further it is only by standing on the shoulders of giants .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This then is the problem with a lot of these so-called "creators".
They assume that their "creative" work was "created" in a vacuum, as if they their stories are 100-percent original and didn't incorporate elements from already existing works.
Isaac Newton, a much greater intellect than 99.99 percent of these glorified hacks, had the humility to say: "If I have seen further it is only by standing on the shoulders of giants.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614276</id>
	<title>Re:Actually...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262364000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bullshit.   You can enforce your trademarks and still allow fan works.  For instance, CBS allows use of <a href="http://www.thefreelibrary.com/FUTURE+\%60TREK'+FROM+VALLEY+PORTAL,+SPACE+ODYSSEY+TRAVELS+ONTO+THE+WEB-a0154473678" title="thefreelibrary.com">Star Trek</a> [thefreelibrary.com] properties for non-profit use.  Nintendo should be encouraging their most enthusiastic fans, not threatening them with legal action.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bullshit .
You can enforce your trademarks and still allow fan works .
For instance , CBS allows use of Star Trek [ thefreelibrary.com ] properties for non-profit use .
Nintendo should be encouraging their most enthusiastic fans , not threatening them with legal action .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bullshit.
You can enforce your trademarks and still allow fan works.
For instance, CBS allows use of Star Trek [thefreelibrary.com] properties for non-profit use.
Nintendo should be encouraging their most enthusiastic fans, not threatening them with legal action.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614370</id>
	<title>Re:"Unspoiled by fan's interpretation's"</title>
	<author>Threni</author>
	<datestamp>1262364960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, Nintendo have to protect them?  No, they could license it for free and it would not dilute their ownership of trademarks.  It's bollocks - like when companies say "unfortunately we can't fix your product for free".  It's not unfortunate - it's a result of their policy, which they could change whenever they felt like it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , Nintendo have to protect them ?
No , they could license it for free and it would not dilute their ownership of trademarks .
It 's bollocks - like when companies say " unfortunately we ca n't fix your product for free " .
It 's not unfortunate - it 's a result of their policy , which they could change whenever they felt like it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, Nintendo have to protect them?
No, they could license it for free and it would not dilute their ownership of trademarks.
It's bollocks - like when companies say "unfortunately we can't fix your product for free".
It's not unfortunate - it's a result of their policy, which they could change whenever they felt like it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614706</id>
	<title>Here's a shocking theory</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262368380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just because you are a fan doesn't inherently give you rights to the work. If you have the talent do something original. If you don't then you are feeding off some one else's work. Just because you love an artist's work doesn't make it your own personal property. Stephen King wrote a book about this, it was called Misery. It wasn't about a fan based work but a fan demanding an author submit to their creative control.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just because you are a fan does n't inherently give you rights to the work .
If you have the talent do something original .
If you do n't then you are feeding off some one else 's work .
Just because you love an artist 's work does n't make it your own personal property .
Stephen King wrote a book about this , it was called Misery .
It was n't about a fan based work but a fan demanding an author submit to their creative control .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just because you are a fan doesn't inherently give you rights to the work.
If you have the talent do something original.
If you don't then you are feeding off some one else's work.
Just because you love an artist's work doesn't make it your own personal property.
Stephen King wrote a book about this, it was called Misery.
It wasn't about a fan based work but a fan demanding an author submit to their creative control.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614402</id>
	<title>The next game will be...</title>
	<author>adosch</author>
	<datestamp>1262365320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>The Hero of Time</i> will probably be the next Zelda story-line game Nintendo releases... it was a pretty good story line IMHO.  It would not surprise me that Nintendo compensated them for the story (I'm sure not much for it being infringement) and will mangle it for their own liking.  Any takers?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Hero of Time will probably be the next Zelda story-line game Nintendo releases... it was a pretty good story line IMHO .
It would not surprise me that Nintendo compensated them for the story ( I 'm sure not much for it being infringement ) and will mangle it for their own liking .
Any takers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Hero of Time will probably be the next Zelda story-line game Nintendo releases... it was a pretty good story line IMHO.
It would not surprise me that Nintendo compensated them for the story (I'm sure not much for it being infringement) and will mangle it for their own liking.
Any takers?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30617372</id>
	<title>Re:Kinda shocked</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262350920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not true.  Rights holders have been trying to crack down on fan productions off and on since the Internet and modern computers started enabling more professional art and efficient distribution.</p><p>Some names noted for their iffy history with fans:</p><p>Paramount/Viacom (Star Trek), Fox (Millenium, Simpsons), Oasis (music band)</p><p>That was just from a quick search on Wikipedia which led me to a Wired article:</p><p>http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/1997/06/4231</p><p>I'm sure just about every company has engaged in some form of crackdown, and if there were an easy and cheap way to do it, would close down every site in a heartbeat.  However, most have concluded it's not with the time and cost, and opt for the good-feeling PR of letting it go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not true .
Rights holders have been trying to crack down on fan productions off and on since the Internet and modern computers started enabling more professional art and efficient distribution.Some names noted for their iffy history with fans : Paramount/Viacom ( Star Trek ) , Fox ( Millenium , Simpsons ) , Oasis ( music band ) That was just from a quick search on Wikipedia which led me to a Wired article : http : //www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/1997/06/4231I 'm sure just about every company has engaged in some form of crackdown , and if there were an easy and cheap way to do it , would close down every site in a heartbeat .
However , most have concluded it 's not with the time and cost , and opt for the good-feeling PR of letting it go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not true.
Rights holders have been trying to crack down on fan productions off and on since the Internet and modern computers started enabling more professional art and efficient distribution.Some names noted for their iffy history with fans:Paramount/Viacom (Star Trek), Fox (Millenium, Simpsons), Oasis (music band)That was just from a quick search on Wikipedia which led me to a Wired article:http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/1997/06/4231I'm sure just about every company has engaged in some form of crackdown, and if there were an easy and cheap way to do it, would close down every site in a heartbeat.
However, most have concluded it's not with the time and cost, and opt for the good-feeling PR of letting it go.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614300</id>
	<title>Maybe people should learn about IP</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262364300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe people should learn that you simple have very little rights to do anything with other people's IP. Yes it does not seem fair but that's how it is.</p><p>Use and leverage things which allow you to exploit them, like open source software or creative commons licensed works.</p><p>Personally I want to see the copyright holders become more vigilant so that the world can realize the dangers of IP and maybe from that we can learn to have a more constructive society with more open-IP.</p><p>For the time being, don't take the IP others, leverage what is available in the community.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe people should learn that you simple have very little rights to do anything with other people 's IP .
Yes it does not seem fair but that 's how it is.Use and leverage things which allow you to exploit them , like open source software or creative commons licensed works.Personally I want to see the copyright holders become more vigilant so that the world can realize the dangers of IP and maybe from that we can learn to have a more constructive society with more open-IP.For the time being , do n't take the IP others , leverage what is available in the community .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe people should learn that you simple have very little rights to do anything with other people's IP.
Yes it does not seem fair but that's how it is.Use and leverage things which allow you to exploit them, like open source software or creative commons licensed works.Personally I want to see the copyright holders become more vigilant so that the world can realize the dangers of IP and maybe from that we can learn to have a more constructive society with more open-IP.For the time being, don't take the IP others, leverage what is available in the community.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614220</id>
	<title>Actually...</title>
	<author>NemosomeN</author>
	<datestamp>1262363520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They took so long to enforce it as part of the agreement.  If they don't enforce their trademarks, they lose them.  Waiting to take it down was the best they could have done, honestly.  Props for waiting.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They took so long to enforce it as part of the agreement .
If they do n't enforce their trademarks , they lose them .
Waiting to take it down was the best they could have done , honestly .
Props for waiting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They took so long to enforce it as part of the agreement.
If they don't enforce their trademarks, they lose them.
Waiting to take it down was the best they could have done, honestly.
Props for waiting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614964</id>
	<title>Re:Derivative Works</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1262371200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Arguing what the law is is boring - the first one to Wikipedia wins. Slashdot arguments are about what the law <b>should be</b>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Arguing what the law is is boring - the first one to Wikipedia wins .
Slashdot arguments are about what the law should be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Arguing what the law is is boring - the first one to Wikipedia wins.
Slashdot arguments are about what the law should be.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30618648</id>
	<title>Re:Actually...</title>
	<author>Jah-Wren Ryel</author>
	<datestamp>1262358960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You have no right to rip off other people's work without permission.</p> </div><p>While it may be true that you have no <strong>legal</strong> right, you do have every <strong>moral</strong> right.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You have no right to rip off other people 's work without permission .
While it may be true that you have no legal right , you do have every moral right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have no right to rip off other people's work without permission.
While it may be true that you have no legal right, you do have every moral right.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30615072</id>
	<title>Re:Actually...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262372640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Props?  They could have just not fucking took it down in the first place.<br>They could have said something like, "Here, we will help you with your work and get you some profit if you give us a cut, this relationship could benefit us both"<br>We would have seen it and possibly more, but no, businesses just being idiots as usual.<br>Whoever was in control with that decision should be fired.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Props ?
They could have just not fucking took it down in the first place.They could have said something like , " Here , we will help you with your work and get you some profit if you give us a cut , this relationship could benefit us both " We would have seen it and possibly more , but no , businesses just being idiots as usual.Whoever was in control with that decision should be fired .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Props?
They could have just not fucking took it down in the first place.They could have said something like, "Here, we will help you with your work and get you some profit if you give us a cut, this relationship could benefit us both"We would have seen it and possibly more, but no, businesses just being idiots as usual.Whoever was in control with that decision should be fired.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30616720</id>
	<title>1984-style public recantation</title>
	<author>aeschenkarnos</author>
	<datestamp>1262345640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The thing that really gives me the shudders about this is the 1984-style public recantation: "We understand Nintendo's right to protect its characters and trademarks and understand how in order to keep their property unspoiled by fan's interpretation of the franchise, Nintendo needs to protect itself -- even from fan-works with good intentions." You can just imagine the tearful, contrite speech through broken teeth<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing that really gives me the shudders about this is the 1984-style public recantation : " We understand Nintendo 's right to protect its characters and trademarks and understand how in order to keep their property unspoiled by fan 's interpretation of the franchise , Nintendo needs to protect itself -- even from fan-works with good intentions .
" You can just imagine the tearful , contrite speech through broken teeth .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing that really gives me the shudders about this is the 1984-style public recantation: "We understand Nintendo's right to protect its characters and trademarks and understand how in order to keep their property unspoiled by fan's interpretation of the franchise, Nintendo needs to protect itself -- even from fan-works with good intentions.
" You can just imagine the tearful, contrite speech through broken teeth ...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30615230</id>
	<title>Re:Streisand effect!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262374380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thank You. AC. And to think, I might have even payed for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank You .
AC. And to think , I might have even payed for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank You.
AC. And to think, I might have even payed for it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614200</id>
	<title>Why the surprise?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262363280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We all know you wouldn't get anywhere with Micky Mouse, why should a game character be any different?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We all know you would n't get anywhere with Micky Mouse , why should a game character be any different ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We all know you wouldn't get anywhere with Micky Mouse, why should a game character be any different?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614468</id>
	<title>So Rerelease It</title>
	<author>flyneye</author>
	<datestamp>1262365980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rename it to Legend of Grizelda, parody the character names and rerelease it as a parody.<br>Joke em if they cant take a F**k! The gall! Screw with your fanbase and lose your old friends like Metallica.<br>I bet they woulda ate poo if the takedown lawyers told em to. Damn, question authority even if it is as silly and insignificant as a video game company.<br>If no one gets feisty, this will get as bad as the stinkin NFL and their fans art. At least they can always watch hockey instead of pansy pad football.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rename it to Legend of Grizelda , parody the character names and rerelease it as a parody.Joke em if they cant take a F * * k !
The gall !
Screw with your fanbase and lose your old friends like Metallica.I bet they woulda ate poo if the takedown lawyers told em to .
Damn , question authority even if it is as silly and insignificant as a video game company.If no one gets feisty , this will get as bad as the stinkin NFL and their fans art .
At least they can always watch hockey instead of pansy pad football .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rename it to Legend of Grizelda, parody the character names and rerelease it as a parody.Joke em if they cant take a F**k!
The gall!
Screw with your fanbase and lose your old friends like Metallica.I bet they woulda ate poo if the takedown lawyers told em to.
Damn, question authority even if it is as silly and insignificant as a video game company.If no one gets feisty, this will get as bad as the stinkin NFL and their fans art.
At least they can always watch hockey instead of pansy pad football.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614366</id>
	<title>Kinda shocked</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262364960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not sure why Nintendo would want to do this - it's only a negative for them, spreading all this ill will. Look at Star Trek and Star Wars. Lucasfilm and Paramount generally don't "crack down" on fan films or most other fan works, as long as they're nonprofit ventures. And fan films are more comparable to Lucasfilm and Paramount products. Nintendo primarily sells interactive products, so a noninteractive fan film would not be in direct competition with well, anything they sell. That is, unless they decide to develop a full length Zelda film. Remember how well <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super\_Mario\_Bros.\_(film)" title="wikipedia.org">Super Mario Bros.</a> [wikipedia.org] turned out?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure why Nintendo would want to do this - it 's only a negative for them , spreading all this ill will .
Look at Star Trek and Star Wars .
Lucasfilm and Paramount generally do n't " crack down " on fan films or most other fan works , as long as they 're nonprofit ventures .
And fan films are more comparable to Lucasfilm and Paramount products .
Nintendo primarily sells interactive products , so a noninteractive fan film would not be in direct competition with well , anything they sell .
That is , unless they decide to develop a full length Zelda film .
Remember how well Super Mario Bros. [ wikipedia.org ] turned out ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure why Nintendo would want to do this - it's only a negative for them, spreading all this ill will.
Look at Star Trek and Star Wars.
Lucasfilm and Paramount generally don't "crack down" on fan films or most other fan works, as long as they're nonprofit ventures.
And fan films are more comparable to Lucasfilm and Paramount products.
Nintendo primarily sells interactive products, so a noninteractive fan film would not be in direct competition with well, anything they sell.
That is, unless they decide to develop a full length Zelda film.
Remember how well Super Mario Bros. [wikipedia.org] turned out?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30620198</id>
	<title>Whoops</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262462580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I sure hope nobody posts anything like <a href="http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5224637/The\_Legend\_of\_Zelda\_Movie\_\_The\_Hero\_of\_Time\_(fanmade)\_(avi)" title="thepiratebay.org" rel="nofollow">this</a> [thepiratebay.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I sure hope nobody posts anything like this [ thepiratebay.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I sure hope nobody posts anything like this [thepiratebay.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30615648</id>
	<title>Re:Streisand effect!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262378520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just saw it. Guess what it has? A gay sex scene. CowboyNeal and Hemos gave it "2 thingees up" (Zonk and CmdrTaco were unable to rate since their nullo operations).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just saw it .
Guess what it has ?
A gay sex scene .
CowboyNeal and Hemos gave it " 2 thingees up " ( Zonk and CmdrTaco were unable to rate since their nullo operations ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just saw it.
Guess what it has?
A gay sex scene.
CowboyNeal and Hemos gave it "2 thingees up" (Zonk and CmdrTaco were unable to rate since their nullo operations).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614410</id>
	<title>Re:Derivative Works</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1262365440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, thank you Captain Obvious. Is anyone claiming otherwise?</p><p>The issue isn't what the law is, it's what the law should be, as well as how companies should use the law. When there's a story about the use of the DMCA, do you go posting the text of the DMCA, saying "But that's the law!"? In <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/31/2255212" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">yesterday's story</a> [slashdot.org], are you going to explain what the current copyright law is, and therefore those items won't be entering the public domain today?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , thank you Captain Obvious .
Is anyone claiming otherwise ? The issue is n't what the law is , it 's what the law should be , as well as how companies should use the law .
When there 's a story about the use of the DMCA , do you go posting the text of the DMCA , saying " But that 's the law ! " ?
In yesterday 's story [ slashdot.org ] , are you going to explain what the current copyright law is , and therefore those items wo n't be entering the public domain today ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, thank you Captain Obvious.
Is anyone claiming otherwise?The issue isn't what the law is, it's what the law should be, as well as how companies should use the law.
When there's a story about the use of the DMCA, do you go posting the text of the DMCA, saying "But that's the law!"?
In yesterday's story [slashdot.org], are you going to explain what the current copyright law is, and therefore those items won't be entering the public domain today?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614246</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614710</id>
	<title>Re:Derivative Works</title>
	<author>Vainglorious Coward</author>
	<datestamp>1262368500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The owner of the copyright has the *exclusive* right to make derivative works...I realize the slashdot crowd doesn't agree with all that, but it is the existing law.</p></div></blockquote><p>Apart from the first statement being simply untrue (there are a number of uses permitted without the copyright holder's permisssion), it is also completely irrelevant - <b>this case is not about copyright</b>, it's about trademarks.  I know the fudmongers want us all to be seduced into the "information is property" paradigm, but copyrights and trademarks (and for that matter, patents and trade secrets) are not the same thing at all, and blurring the distinctions between them does nobody any good.  Before you go berating us all in your role as AC law expert you might want to get a better understanding of the law yourself.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The owner of the copyright has the * exclusive * right to make derivative works...I realize the slashdot crowd does n't agree with all that , but it is the existing law.Apart from the first statement being simply untrue ( there are a number of uses permitted without the copyright holder 's permisssion ) , it is also completely irrelevant - this case is not about copyright , it 's about trademarks .
I know the fudmongers want us all to be seduced into the " information is property " paradigm , but copyrights and trademarks ( and for that matter , patents and trade secrets ) are not the same thing at all , and blurring the distinctions between them does nobody any good .
Before you go berating us all in your role as AC law expert you might want to get a better understanding of the law yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The owner of the copyright has the *exclusive* right to make derivative works...I realize the slashdot crowd doesn't agree with all that, but it is the existing law.Apart from the first statement being simply untrue (there are a number of uses permitted without the copyright holder's permisssion), it is also completely irrelevant - this case is not about copyright, it's about trademarks.
I know the fudmongers want us all to be seduced into the "information is property" paradigm, but copyrights and trademarks (and for that matter, patents and trade secrets) are not the same thing at all, and blurring the distinctions between them does nobody any good.
Before you go berating us all in your role as AC law expert you might want to get a better understanding of the law yourself.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614792</id>
	<title>Re:Actually...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262369400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Do not confuse one group's good will with something that should be expected from everyone. </i></p><p>Good will should be expected from everyone.  Without it, you're a dick, by definition.  And when you give good will, you get it back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do not confuse one group 's good will with something that should be expected from everyone .
Good will should be expected from everyone .
Without it , you 're a dick , by definition .
And when you give good will , you get it back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do not confuse one group's good will with something that should be expected from everyone.
Good will should be expected from everyone.
Without it, you're a dick, by definition.
And when you give good will, you get it back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614346</id>
	<title>Re:Why the surprise?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262364780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>We all know you wouldn't get anywhere with Micky Mouse</p></div></blockquote><p>speak for yourself you jealous bitch</p><p>-Minnie</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We all know you would n't get anywhere with Micky Mousespeak for yourself you jealous bitch-Minnie</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We all know you wouldn't get anywhere with Micky Mousespeak for yourself you jealous bitch-Minnie
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614424</id>
	<title>Seriously?</title>
	<author>drej</author>
	<datestamp>1262365500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"...to keep their property unspoiled by fan's interpretation of the franchise..."

Are they serious? Nintendo doesn't even have a consistent timeline for the Zelda games, plus they're currently running the franchise into the ground (Link as an engineer, anyone?). So what the hell are they complaining about? They should be thankful they still have such loyal fans willing to put so much effort into something out of love for the franchise, even though Nintendo has done almost everything to alienate both hardcore gamers in general and their fanbase alike.

Nintendo, you used to be cool. Get your shit together.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...to keep their property unspoiled by fan 's interpretation of the franchise... " Are they serious ?
Nintendo does n't even have a consistent timeline for the Zelda games , plus they 're currently running the franchise into the ground ( Link as an engineer , anyone ? ) .
So what the hell are they complaining about ?
They should be thankful they still have such loyal fans willing to put so much effort into something out of love for the franchise , even though Nintendo has done almost everything to alienate both hardcore gamers in general and their fanbase alike .
Nintendo , you used to be cool .
Get your shit together .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"...to keep their property unspoiled by fan's interpretation of the franchise..."

Are they serious?
Nintendo doesn't even have a consistent timeline for the Zelda games, plus they're currently running the franchise into the ground (Link as an engineer, anyone?).
So what the hell are they complaining about?
They should be thankful they still have such loyal fans willing to put so much effort into something out of love for the franchise, even though Nintendo has done almost everything to alienate both hardcore gamers in general and their fanbase alike.
Nintendo, you used to be cool.
Get your shit together.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30617992</id>
	<title>.torrent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262354880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/5224637/The\_Legend\_of\_Zelda\_Movie\_\_The\_Hero\_of\_Time\_(fanmade)\_(avi).5224637.TPB.torrent" title="thepiratebay.org" rel="nofollow">http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/5224637/The\_Legend\_of\_Zelda\_Movie\_\_The\_Hero\_of\_Time\_(fanmade)\_(avi).5224637.TPB.torrent</a> [thepiratebay.org]</p><p>Haven't watched it yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //torrents.thepiratebay.org/5224637/The \ _Legend \ _of \ _Zelda \ _Movie \ _ \ _The \ _Hero \ _of \ _Time \ _ ( fanmade ) \ _ ( avi ) .5224637.TPB.torrent [ thepiratebay.org ] Have n't watched it yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/5224637/The\_Legend\_of\_Zelda\_Movie\_\_The\_Hero\_of\_Time\_(fanmade)\_(avi).5224637.TPB.torrent [thepiratebay.org]Haven't watched it yet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30620822</id>
	<title>Re:Actually...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262428320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It takes a lot of damn gall to think you have the right to control what another thinks/imagines/creates based on what you have "put out there".</p><p>If "other creators" do not want their works re-imagined, they should not make their "original" work available in the first place. The only way to control what is done with an idea is to keep the idea a secret. (Mass marketing a work is NOT keeping it a secret.)</p><p>Copyrights were intended as a monopoly granted by society to protect an "original" creator for commercial purposes ONLY.</p><p>Please stop thinking it a tool of mind control.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It takes a lot of damn gall to think you have the right to control what another thinks/imagines/creates based on what you have " put out there " .If " other creators " do not want their works re-imagined , they should not make their " original " work available in the first place .
The only way to control what is done with an idea is to keep the idea a secret .
( Mass marketing a work is NOT keeping it a secret .
) Copyrights were intended as a monopoly granted by society to protect an " original " creator for commercial purposes ONLY.Please stop thinking it a tool of mind control .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It takes a lot of damn gall to think you have the right to control what another thinks/imagines/creates based on what you have "put out there".If "other creators" do not want their works re-imagined, they should not make their "original" work available in the first place.
The only way to control what is done with an idea is to keep the idea a secret.
(Mass marketing a work is NOT keeping it a secret.
)Copyrights were intended as a monopoly granted by society to protect an "original" creator for commercial purposes ONLY.Please stop thinking it a tool of mind control.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30615044</id>
	<title>Re:Why the surprise?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262372100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And this is why I have absolutely ZERO respect for copyright, patents, and trademark. They've been so abused over the past decades by greedy companies buying laws from corrupt politicians that the original agreement between creator and the people has been bastardized beyond belief.</p><p>Asshole actions like this have turned me into a deliberate violator of these crooked laws. Hope these fuckers are happy with the bed they've made.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And this is why I have absolutely ZERO respect for copyright , patents , and trademark .
They 've been so abused over the past decades by greedy companies buying laws from corrupt politicians that the original agreement between creator and the people has been bastardized beyond belief.Asshole actions like this have turned me into a deliberate violator of these crooked laws .
Hope these fuckers are happy with the bed they 've made .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And this is why I have absolutely ZERO respect for copyright, patents, and trademark.
They've been so abused over the past decades by greedy companies buying laws from corrupt politicians that the original agreement between creator and the people has been bastardized beyond belief.Asshole actions like this have turned me into a deliberate violator of these crooked laws.
Hope these fuckers are happy with the bed they've made.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614200</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614336</id>
	<title>Re:Streisand effect!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262364720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are two nearly identical torrents on both the Pirate Bay and BTJunkie which seem to be gathering seeds as I write this. A copy of this movie is already available at your favorite wretched hive of scum and villainy, and now that Nintendo's gotten all haughty about it and pissed everyone off, that situation is guaranteed not to change any time soon.</p><p>Way to go, guys.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are two nearly identical torrents on both the Pirate Bay and BTJunkie which seem to be gathering seeds as I write this .
A copy of this movie is already available at your favorite wretched hive of scum and villainy , and now that Nintendo 's gotten all haughty about it and pissed everyone off , that situation is guaranteed not to change any time soon.Way to go , guys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are two nearly identical torrents on both the Pirate Bay and BTJunkie which seem to be gathering seeds as I write this.
A copy of this movie is already available at your favorite wretched hive of scum and villainy, and now that Nintendo's gotten all haughty about it and pissed everyone off, that situation is guaranteed not to change any time soon.Way to go, guys.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614462</id>
	<title>Re:Streisand effect!</title>
	<author>Velodra</author>
	<datestamp>1262365920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe this is Nintendo's way of helping them. Instead of ignoring them, they shut them down and gave them a lot of attention they wouldn't have gotten otherwise.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe this is Nintendo 's way of helping them .
Instead of ignoring them , they shut them down and gave them a lot of attention they would n't have gotten otherwise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe this is Nintendo's way of helping them.
Instead of ignoring them, they shut them down and gave them a lot of attention they wouldn't have gotten otherwise.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614466</id>
	<title>Well not a shocker...</title>
	<author>binaryseraph</author>
	<datestamp>1262365920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The acting was so bad I couldn't get through the first 15 min of it... No wonder it got canned!</htmltext>
<tokenext>The acting was so bad I could n't get through the first 15 min of it... No wonder it got canned !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The acting was so bad I couldn't get through the first 15 min of it... No wonder it got canned!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30616372</id>
	<title>Dinner</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262342580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/SGhonk" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">Nice of *The King* to invite us over for *Dinner* eh Luigi?</a> [youtube.com] </p><p>"Ma Boi, that's what all true warriors want..."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice of * The King * to invite us over for * Dinner * eh Luigi ?
[ youtube.com ] " Ma Boi , that 's what all true warriors want... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice of *The King* to invite us over for *Dinner* eh Luigi?
[youtube.com] "Ma Boi, that's what all true warriors want..."</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30619630</id>
	<title>Re:The Hero of Time still lives on...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262369280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here is a better one (audio is actually in sync with the video). <a href="http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5250999/The\_Hero\_of\_Time\_(2009)\_\_\_Soundtrack" title="thepiratebay.org" rel="nofollow">http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5250999/The\_Hero\_of\_Time\_(2009)\_\_\_Soundtrack</a> [thepiratebay.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here is a better one ( audio is actually in sync with the video ) .
http : //thepiratebay.org/torrent/5250999/The \ _Hero \ _of \ _Time \ _ ( 2009 ) \ _ \ _ \ _Soundtrack [ thepiratebay.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here is a better one (audio is actually in sync with the video).
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5250999/The\_Hero\_of\_Time\_(2009)\_\_\_Soundtrack [thepiratebay.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614740</id>
	<title>Great advertisement ;-)</title>
	<author>DeBaas</author>
	<datestamp>1262368800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I for one never heard of this film and now just started the torrent.</p><p>I even named my cat Zelda, so I want to see this film<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one never heard of this film and now just started the torrent.I even named my cat Zelda , so I want to see this film ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one never heard of this film and now just started the torrent.I even named my cat Zelda, so I want to see this film ;-)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30615340</id>
	<title>Re:The Hero of Time still lives on...</title>
	<author>phiz187</author>
	<datestamp>1262375580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Exactly.  I had never even heard of this movie before Nintendo's legal action made this a newsworthy story.  This free publicity will actually ensure that MORE people become aware of the movie and see it.  So, if that was Nintendo's true purpose, then this didn't really accomplish anything.  The film producer's won't make any profit off of bittorrent downloads, so if Nintendo's goals was to prevent people from profitting off of their Intellectual Property, than this may accomplish that.
<br> <br>
As a final word, that statement from the producers is NOT genuine.  It reeks of of a forced statement that Nintendo's lawyers forced him to make at "gunpoint" (ballpoint?) to stave off community outrage.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
I had never even heard of this movie before Nintendo 's legal action made this a newsworthy story .
This free publicity will actually ensure that MORE people become aware of the movie and see it .
So , if that was Nintendo 's true purpose , then this did n't really accomplish anything .
The film producer 's wo n't make any profit off of bittorrent downloads , so if Nintendo 's goals was to prevent people from profitting off of their Intellectual Property , than this may accomplish that .
As a final word , that statement from the producers is NOT genuine .
It reeks of of a forced statement that Nintendo 's lawyers forced him to make at " gunpoint " ( ballpoint ?
) to stave off community outrage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
I had never even heard of this movie before Nintendo's legal action made this a newsworthy story.
This free publicity will actually ensure that MORE people become aware of the movie and see it.
So, if that was Nintendo's true purpose, then this didn't really accomplish anything.
The film producer's won't make any profit off of bittorrent downloads, so if Nintendo's goals was to prevent people from profitting off of their Intellectual Property, than this may accomplish that.
As a final word, that statement from the producers is NOT genuine.
It reeks of of a forced statement that Nintendo's lawyers forced him to make at "gunpoint" (ballpoint?
) to stave off community outrage.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614344</id>
	<title>Why did they bother?!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262364720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I understand that these people are fans, but I don't get why they put all their energy into creating a project that was going to shut down?!</p><p>Instead, why didn't they create a work influenced and inspired by Zelda and put that out instead? People might remark that it was derivative, but it would be far better than a project that was doomed to be forced underground.</p><p>I know some people will say that they wanted a Zelda movie, but Nintendo don't want to make one, but that's Nintendo's tough shit really, though - they'll not see any of their fan's money because of it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I understand that these people are fans , but I do n't get why they put all their energy into creating a project that was going to shut down ?
! Instead , why did n't they create a work influenced and inspired by Zelda and put that out instead ?
People might remark that it was derivative , but it would be far better than a project that was doomed to be forced underground.I know some people will say that they wanted a Zelda movie , but Nintendo do n't want to make one , but that 's Nintendo 's tough shit really , though - they 'll not see any of their fan 's money because of it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I understand that these people are fans, but I don't get why they put all their energy into creating a project that was going to shut down?
!Instead, why didn't they create a work influenced and inspired by Zelda and put that out instead?
People might remark that it was derivative, but it would be far better than a project that was doomed to be forced underground.I know some people will say that they wanted a Zelda movie, but Nintendo don't want to make one, but that's Nintendo's tough shit really, though - they'll not see any of their fan's money because of it!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614218</id>
	<title>The Hero of Time still lives on...</title>
	<author>loufoque</author>
	<datestamp>1262363520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... on your favourite bittorrent search engine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... on your favourite bittorrent search engine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... on your favourite bittorrent search engine.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614272</id>
	<title>Bummer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262364000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, after viewing the trailer, it's like we dodged a bullet there, the world is looking a lot brighter now. Thank you Nintendo!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , after viewing the trailer , it 's like we dodged a bullet there , the world is looking a lot brighter now .
Thank you Nintendo !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, after viewing the trailer, it's like we dodged a bullet there, the world is looking a lot brighter now.
Thank you Nintendo!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30616660</id>
	<title>Re:Fan projects == bad, porn == alright</title>
	<author>Ihmhi</author>
	<datestamp>1262345160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The thing is, some of these pictures are <a href="http://community.boredofstudies.org/groups/f*r*i*e*n*d*s+appreciation-picture266t-120px-1-up-mario-peach.gif" title="boredofstudies.org">so ridiculous (mildly NSFW)</a> [boredofstudies.org]</p><p> and/or funny that they would qualify as parody and be protected.</p><p>You draw a picture of Barney Rubble banging a dinosaur, some Internet dwellers are going to see it as sexy, but the majority of people (including, say, a judge) are going to interpret it as a joke. A sick joke, but a joke, and thus protected as parody.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing is , some of these pictures are so ridiculous ( mildly NSFW ) [ boredofstudies.org ] and/or funny that they would qualify as parody and be protected.You draw a picture of Barney Rubble banging a dinosaur , some Internet dwellers are going to see it as sexy , but the majority of people ( including , say , a judge ) are going to interpret it as a joke .
A sick joke , but a joke , and thus protected as parody .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing is, some of these pictures are so ridiculous (mildly NSFW) [boredofstudies.org] and/or funny that they would qualify as parody and be protected.You draw a picture of Barney Rubble banging a dinosaur, some Internet dwellers are going to see it as sexy, but the majority of people (including, say, a judge) are going to interpret it as a joke.
A sick joke, but a joke, and thus protected as parody.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30614558</id>
	<title>Re:Lessons Learned</title>
	<author>Vellmont</author>
	<datestamp>1262366940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i><br>The fan spends four  years in production. The film is screened in New York and L.A.<br></i><br>Sounds like they did it about exactly right.  They finished the film, had it shown in at least two major cities, had it up for online distribution for a month, and now there's a story about it in one of the best places to advertise.</p><p>So you REALLY think they should have tried to approach a company as large as Nintendo and alert them to the fact they're trying to make a movie that would make Nintendo essentially zero dollars and Nintendo would have zero input on?  It might have worked, but I wouldn't bet on it.  It would be tough enough to just get an ANSWER from them.  The most likely scenario is you'd get a letter from legal telling you how they'll sue you if you release the movie.  Why bait the sharks?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fan spends four years in production .
The film is screened in New York and L.A.Sounds like they did it about exactly right .
They finished the film , had it shown in at least two major cities , had it up for online distribution for a month , and now there 's a story about it in one of the best places to advertise.So you REALLY think they should have tried to approach a company as large as Nintendo and alert them to the fact they 're trying to make a movie that would make Nintendo essentially zero dollars and Nintendo would have zero input on ?
It might have worked , but I would n't bet on it .
It would be tough enough to just get an ANSWER from them .
The most likely scenario is you 'd get a letter from legal telling you how they 'll sue you if you release the movie .
Why bait the sharks ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fan spends four  years in production.
The film is screened in New York and L.A.Sounds like they did it about exactly right.
They finished the film, had it shown in at least two major cities, had it up for online distribution for a month, and now there's a story about it in one of the best places to advertise.So you REALLY think they should have tried to approach a company as large as Nintendo and alert them to the fact they're trying to make a movie that would make Nintendo essentially zero dollars and Nintendo would have zero input on?
It might have worked, but I wouldn't bet on it.
It would be tough enough to just get an ANSWER from them.
The most likely scenario is you'd get a letter from legal telling you how they'll sue you if you release the movie.
Why bait the sharks?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_01_1332231.30636266</id>
	<title>Re:Actually...</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1262527560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Part of protecting a trademark is making sure its value is preserved.</p><p>The movie was crap and any sort of official backing from Nintendo would have damaged their value.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Part of protecting a trademark is making sure its value is preserved.The movie was crap and any sort of official backing from Nintendo would have damaged their value .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Part of protecting a trademark is making sure its value is preserved.The movie was crap and any sort of official backing from Nintendo would have damaged their value.</sentencetext>
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