<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_31_1417212</id>
	<title>TSA Subpoenas Bloggers Over New Security Directive</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1262280960000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://hughpickens.com/" rel="nofollow">Hugh Pickens</a> writes <i>"The NY Times reports that TSA special agents have served subpoenas to travel bloggers Steve Frischling and Chris Elliott <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/12/30/us/politics/AP-US-Airliner-Attack-TSA-Supoenas.html">demanding that they reveal who leaked a TSA directive outlining new screening measures</a> that went into effect the same day as the Detroit airliner incident. Frischling said he met with two TSA special agents for about three hours and was forced to hand over his laptop computer after the agents threatened to interfere with his contract to write a blog for KLM Royal Dutch Airlines if he didn't cooperate and provide the name of the person who leaked <a href="http://boardingarea.com/blogs/flyingwithfish/2009/12/27/tsa-security-directive-sd-1544-09-06-the-fallout-from-nw253/">the memo outlining new security measures that would be apparent to the traveling public</a>. 'It literally showed up in my box,' Frischling told The Associated Press. 'I do not know who it came from.' Frischling says he provided the agents a signed statement to that effect.  The leaked directive included measures such as screening at boarding gates, patting down the upper legs and torso, physically inspecting all travelers' belongings, looking carefully at syringes with powders and liquids, requiring that passengers remain in their seats one hour before landing, and disabling all onboard communications systems, including what is provided by the airline. In a December 29 posting on his blog, Elliott said he had told the TSA agents at his house that <a href="http://www.elliott.org/blog/full-text-of-my-subpoena-from-the-department-of-homeland-security/#more-10228">he would call his lawyer and get back to them</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hugh Pickens writes " The NY Times reports that TSA special agents have served subpoenas to travel bloggers Steve Frischling and Chris Elliott demanding that they reveal who leaked a TSA directive outlining new screening measures that went into effect the same day as the Detroit airliner incident .
Frischling said he met with two TSA special agents for about three hours and was forced to hand over his laptop computer after the agents threatened to interfere with his contract to write a blog for KLM Royal Dutch Airlines if he did n't cooperate and provide the name of the person who leaked the memo outlining new security measures that would be apparent to the traveling public .
'It literally showed up in my box, ' Frischling told The Associated Press .
'I do not know who it came from .
' Frischling says he provided the agents a signed statement to that effect .
The leaked directive included measures such as screening at boarding gates , patting down the upper legs and torso , physically inspecting all travelers ' belongings , looking carefully at syringes with powders and liquids , requiring that passengers remain in their seats one hour before landing , and disabling all onboard communications systems , including what is provided by the airline .
In a December 29 posting on his blog , Elliott said he had told the TSA agents at his house that he would call his lawyer and get back to them .
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<sentencetext>Hugh Pickens writes "The NY Times reports that TSA special agents have served subpoenas to travel bloggers Steve Frischling and Chris Elliott demanding that they reveal who leaked a TSA directive outlining new screening measures that went into effect the same day as the Detroit airliner incident.
Frischling said he met with two TSA special agents for about three hours and was forced to hand over his laptop computer after the agents threatened to interfere with his contract to write a blog for KLM Royal Dutch Airlines if he didn't cooperate and provide the name of the person who leaked the memo outlining new security measures that would be apparent to the traveling public.
'It literally showed up in my box,' Frischling told The Associated Press.
'I do not know who it came from.
' Frischling says he provided the agents a signed statement to that effect.
The leaked directive included measures such as screening at boarding gates, patting down the upper legs and torso, physically inspecting all travelers' belongings, looking carefully at syringes with powders and liquids, requiring that passengers remain in their seats one hour before landing, and disabling all onboard communications systems, including what is provided by the airline.
In a December 29 posting on his blog, Elliott said he had told the TSA agents at his house that he would call his lawyer and get back to them.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608572</id>
	<title>Re:I still say...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1262290320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That&rsquo;s the modern terrorist&rsquo;s strategy: Why work hard to fuck up the enemy, when you can work little, and let them fuck themselves up, better than you ever could.</p><p>Sometimes I wonder, if I would have a better life, if I were with them...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That    s the modern terrorist    s strategy : Why work hard to fuck up the enemy , when you can work little , and let them fuck themselves up , better than you ever could.Sometimes I wonder , if I would have a better life , if I were with them.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That’s the modern terrorist’s strategy: Why work hard to fuck up the enemy, when you can work little, and let them fuck themselves up, better than you ever could.Sometimes I wonder, if I would have a better life, if I were with them...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607692</id>
	<title>Re:I still say...</title>
	<author>oldspewey</author>
	<datestamp>1262286120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It won't be long before we're all wearing TSA-issued paper hospital gowns and subject to full rectal probe and drugged interrogation before we can board a plane<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... but we'll finally be "safe."</htmltext>
<tokenext>It wo n't be long before we 're all wearing TSA-issued paper hospital gowns and subject to full rectal probe and drugged interrogation before we can board a plane ... but we 'll finally be " safe .
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<sentencetext>It won't be long before we're all wearing TSA-issued paper hospital gowns and subject to full rectal probe and drugged interrogation before we can board a plane ... but we'll finally be "safe.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30611008</id>
	<title>Re:And insightful post by an annonymous poster..</title>
	<author>PinkyGigglebrain</author>
	<datestamp>1262263320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Terrorism is the use of fear to bring about a social, political, or economic change.<br> <br>Fixed that for ya.<br> <br>Of course looked from that point of view most of the governments of the world are terrorists.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Terrorism is the use of fear to bring about a social , political , or economic change .
Fixed that for ya .
Of course looked from that point of view most of the governments of the world are terrorists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Terrorism is the use of fear to bring about a social, political, or economic change.
Fixed that for ya.
Of course looked from that point of view most of the governments of the world are terrorists.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30612426</id>
	<title>Re:Typical of the fools.</title>
	<author>vaporland</author>
	<datestamp>1262281800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You mean, they are fools to rely on the security infrastructure that the Bush Administration set up over seven years? Or do you mean, there's no director at TSA because <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/28/AR2009122802131.html" title="washingtonpost.com">Republicans in Congress have been blocking nomination confirmation hearings</a> [washingtonpost.com]?<br> <br>Competence is a non-partisan issue, so stop trying to force the "fair and balanced" point of view that everything wrong in government began the moment Obama took the oath of office.<br> <br>After all, it was Bush who ignored the
<a href="http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0409041pdb1.html" title="thesmokinggun.com">Osama Bin Laden poised to strike in US</a> [thesmokinggun.com] memo from the CIA a month before the September 11, 2001 attacks. Talk about unqualified...</htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean , they are fools to rely on the security infrastructure that the Bush Administration set up over seven years ?
Or do you mean , there 's no director at TSA because Republicans in Congress have been blocking nomination confirmation hearings [ washingtonpost.com ] ?
Competence is a non-partisan issue , so stop trying to force the " fair and balanced " point of view that everything wrong in government began the moment Obama took the oath of office .
After all , it was Bush who ignored the Osama Bin Laden poised to strike in US [ thesmokinggun.com ] memo from the CIA a month before the September 11 , 2001 attacks .
Talk about unqualified.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean, they are fools to rely on the security infrastructure that the Bush Administration set up over seven years?
Or do you mean, there's no director at TSA because Republicans in Congress have been blocking nomination confirmation hearings [washingtonpost.com]?
Competence is a non-partisan issue, so stop trying to force the "fair and balanced" point of view that everything wrong in government began the moment Obama took the oath of office.
After all, it was Bush who ignored the
Osama Bin Laden poised to strike in US [thesmokinggun.com] memo from the CIA a month before the September 11, 2001 attacks.
Talk about unqualified...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608530</id>
	<title>Re:I still say...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262290140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It won't be long before we're all wearing TSA-issued paper hospital gowns and subject to full rectal probe and drugged interrogation before we can board a plane<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... but we'll finally be "safe."</p></div><p>Why stop at the hospital gowns.  You might be hiding something in there... somewhere.  I see the future of flight in our puritan-rooted country to be naked.  Because then we're safe.<br> <br>

Seriously (and I tread carefully not to Godwin), before someone was killed in a concentration camp, they had their pride and clothes taken away.  With the roll out of these new scanners, the terrorists have tricked us into doing it to ourselves.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It wo n't be long before we 're all wearing TSA-issued paper hospital gowns and subject to full rectal probe and drugged interrogation before we can board a plane ... but we 'll finally be " safe .
" Why stop at the hospital gowns .
You might be hiding something in there... somewhere. I see the future of flight in our puritan-rooted country to be naked .
Because then we 're safe .
Seriously ( and I tread carefully not to Godwin ) , before someone was killed in a concentration camp , they had their pride and clothes taken away .
With the roll out of these new scanners , the terrorists have tricked us into doing it to ourselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It won't be long before we're all wearing TSA-issued paper hospital gowns and subject to full rectal probe and drugged interrogation before we can board a plane ... but we'll finally be "safe.
"Why stop at the hospital gowns.
You might be hiding something in there... somewhere.  I see the future of flight in our puritan-rooted country to be naked.
Because then we're safe.
Seriously (and I tread carefully not to Godwin), before someone was killed in a concentration camp, they had their pride and clothes taken away.
With the roll out of these new scanners, the terrorists have tricked us into doing it to ourselves.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608576</id>
	<title>E&amp;P.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262290380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">halt. Even Emacs sadness And it was and other party and enjoy aal the performing.' Even</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>halt .
Even Emacs sadness And it was and other party and enjoy aal the performing .
' Even [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>halt.
Even Emacs sadness And it was and other party and enjoy aal the performing.
' Even [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608390</id>
	<title>Re:I still say...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262289300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You know, if it wasn't for the occasional (RARE) incident like the one where Capt. Sullenberger was heroically able to land in the Potomac I am pretty sure we would all be sedated and placed in little tubes (or square tubes) for our flights. If we were unconscious, we wouldn't be able to crash the plane, attack the crew, blow the thing up, etc. However, those rare times when you need an awake human in order to "not die" while escaping from the plane makes it very unlikely that the powers that be would try. I bet they would do it though if there were no survivable air mishaps...</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , if it was n't for the occasional ( RARE ) incident like the one where Capt .
Sullenberger was heroically able to land in the Potomac I am pretty sure we would all be sedated and placed in little tubes ( or square tubes ) for our flights .
If we were unconscious , we would n't be able to crash the plane , attack the crew , blow the thing up , etc .
However , those rare times when you need an awake human in order to " not die " while escaping from the plane makes it very unlikely that the powers that be would try .
I bet they would do it though if there were no survivable air mishaps.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, if it wasn't for the occasional (RARE) incident like the one where Capt.
Sullenberger was heroically able to land in the Potomac I am pretty sure we would all be sedated and placed in little tubes (or square tubes) for our flights.
If we were unconscious, we wouldn't be able to crash the plane, attack the crew, blow the thing up, etc.
However, those rare times when you need an awake human in order to "not die" while escaping from the plane makes it very unlikely that the powers that be would try.
I bet they would do it though if there were no survivable air mishaps...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607732</id>
	<title>Re:The terrorists aren't even trying hard.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262286300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've argued this same point time and time again; the TSA and airlines are only worried about expensive planes and the buildings they could hit.  Blowing up a security line at Atlanta's Hartsfield airport (busiest in the world) would cause unheard of levels of panic.</p><p>It would be an interesting 'art piece' to  draw concentric rings around a random point in line to demonstrate "90\% kill", "50\% kill" zones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've argued this same point time and time again ; the TSA and airlines are only worried about expensive planes and the buildings they could hit .
Blowing up a security line at Atlanta 's Hartsfield airport ( busiest in the world ) would cause unheard of levels of panic.It would be an interesting 'art piece ' to draw concentric rings around a random point in line to demonstrate " 90 \ % kill " , " 50 \ % kill " zones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've argued this same point time and time again; the TSA and airlines are only worried about expensive planes and the buildings they could hit.
Blowing up a security line at Atlanta's Hartsfield airport (busiest in the world) would cause unheard of levels of panic.It would be an interesting 'art piece' to  draw concentric rings around a random point in line to demonstrate "90\% kill", "50\% kill" zones.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607872</id>
	<title>Re:The terrorists aren't even trying hard.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262286780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh totally, just like everyone in Israel completely stopped eating when Hamas and company were blowing up cafes. There's a psychological effect to blowing up an airplane because deep down on a primal level people are already scared of flying because it just aint natural.  Plus the view of an airplane falling out of the sky is much more enthralling and attention grabbing then a simple explosion.</p><p>They don't want to attack you where you know you can be attacked, they want to attack you somewhere you're already afraid of, and where the government is trying to tell you is safe and protected to prove they can get to you anywhere, and instill fear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh totally , just like everyone in Israel completely stopped eating when Hamas and company were blowing up cafes .
There 's a psychological effect to blowing up an airplane because deep down on a primal level people are already scared of flying because it just aint natural .
Plus the view of an airplane falling out of the sky is much more enthralling and attention grabbing then a simple explosion.They do n't want to attack you where you know you can be attacked , they want to attack you somewhere you 're already afraid of , and where the government is trying to tell you is safe and protected to prove they can get to you anywhere , and instill fear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh totally, just like everyone in Israel completely stopped eating when Hamas and company were blowing up cafes.
There's a psychological effect to blowing up an airplane because deep down on a primal level people are already scared of flying because it just aint natural.
Plus the view of an airplane falling out of the sky is much more enthralling and attention grabbing then a simple explosion.They don't want to attack you where you know you can be attacked, they want to attack you somewhere you're already afraid of, and where the government is trying to tell you is safe and protected to prove they can get to you anywhere, and instill fear.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608254</id>
	<title>Re:The terrorists aren't even trying hard.</title>
	<author>mariushm</author>
	<datestamp>1262288520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well... they can make it so hard to travel by planes people will just takes trains or cars. And then terrorists can just place a bomb on a bridge before a train full with 500 people crosses it, or inside a tunnel... Heck... just get a truck full with fertilizer or something and shove it in a tunnel and wait for the train to hit it.</p><p>Actually, you don't even need bombs or stuff like that, it's enough to just pulls out some screws from the railway or to just shove some big nails between two track segments to derail a train.</p><p>The point is the whole security is silly... you have planes with 100-300 people and maybe goes down... tough luck, there are literally several plane crashes worth of people dying daily: <a href="http://www.applet-magic.com/mortality0.htm" title="applet-magic.com">http://www.applet-magic.com/mortality0.htm</a> [applet-magic.com] 120 people die each day in car accidents and thousands die due to health issues... if only those billions spent on wars and security theaters would be redirected for health care and for improving security on roads and improving infrastructure...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well... they can make it so hard to travel by planes people will just takes trains or cars .
And then terrorists can just place a bomb on a bridge before a train full with 500 people crosses it , or inside a tunnel... Heck... just get a truck full with fertilizer or something and shove it in a tunnel and wait for the train to hit it.Actually , you do n't even need bombs or stuff like that , it 's enough to just pulls out some screws from the railway or to just shove some big nails between two track segments to derail a train.The point is the whole security is silly... you have planes with 100-300 people and maybe goes down... tough luck , there are literally several plane crashes worth of people dying daily : http : //www.applet-magic.com/mortality0.htm [ applet-magic.com ] 120 people die each day in car accidents and thousands die due to health issues... if only those billions spent on wars and security theaters would be redirected for health care and for improving security on roads and improving infrastructure.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well... they can make it so hard to travel by planes people will just takes trains or cars.
And then terrorists can just place a bomb on a bridge before a train full with 500 people crosses it, or inside a tunnel... Heck... just get a truck full with fertilizer or something and shove it in a tunnel and wait for the train to hit it.Actually, you don't even need bombs or stuff like that, it's enough to just pulls out some screws from the railway or to just shove some big nails between two track segments to derail a train.The point is the whole security is silly... you have planes with 100-300 people and maybe goes down... tough luck, there are literally several plane crashes worth of people dying daily: http://www.applet-magic.com/mortality0.htm [applet-magic.com] 120 people die each day in car accidents and thousands die due to health issues... if only those billions spent on wars and security theaters would be redirected for health care and for improving security on roads and improving infrastructure...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30613134</id>
	<title>Re:Fuck George Bush!</title>
	<author>rastoboy29</author>
	<datestamp>1230807540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>What the fuck ever, dude.&nbsp; Obama inherited this stupidity, and it's going to take a long time to clean up the mess.<br><br>Or did you think Obama had a magic wand?&nbsp; Sorry to disappoint, but if I could undo the Bush years with a magic want I certainly would and I'm sure Obama would, too.</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>What the fuck ever , dude.   Obama inherited this stupidity , and it 's going to take a long time to clean up the mess.Or did you think Obama had a magic wand ?   Sorry to disappoint , but if I could undo the Bush years with a magic want I certainly would and I 'm sure Obama would , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the fuck ever, dude.  Obama inherited this stupidity, and it's going to take a long time to clean up the mess.Or did you think Obama had a magic wand?  Sorry to disappoint, but if I could undo the Bush years with a magic want I certainly would and I'm sure Obama would, too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30611036</id>
	<title>Re:Because obscurity...</title>
	<author>tylernt</author>
	<datestamp>1262263740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The fabulously beautiful planet Bethselamin is now so worried about the cumulative erosion by ten billion visiting tourists a year that any net imbalance between the amount you eat and the amount you excrete whilst on the planet is surgically removed from your body weight when you leave: so every time you go to the lavatory there it is vitally important to get a receipt.</p><p>
&nbsp; - Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fabulously beautiful planet Bethselamin is now so worried about the cumulative erosion by ten billion visiting tourists a year that any net imbalance between the amount you eat and the amount you excrete whilst on the planet is surgically removed from your body weight when you leave : so every time you go to the lavatory there it is vitally important to get a receipt .
  - Hitchhiker 's Guide to the Galaxy</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fabulously beautiful planet Bethselamin is now so worried about the cumulative erosion by ten billion visiting tourists a year that any net imbalance between the amount you eat and the amount you excrete whilst on the planet is surgically removed from your body weight when you leave: so every time you go to the lavatory there it is vitally important to get a receipt.
  - Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608352</id>
	<title>Re:The terrorists aren't even trying hard.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262289120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>When they stop you at the security checkpoint, go boom. It'll only have to happen a few times before air flight is completely stopped indefinitely.</i> <p>
You mean the way there is no bus service in Israel or police stations in Iraq?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When they stop you at the security checkpoint , go boom .
It 'll only have to happen a few times before air flight is completely stopped indefinitely .
You mean the way there is no bus service in Israel or police stations in Iraq ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When they stop you at the security checkpoint, go boom.
It'll only have to happen a few times before air flight is completely stopped indefinitely.
You mean the way there is no bus service in Israel or police stations in Iraq?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607616</id>
	<title>Typical of the fools.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262285820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another proof, to join the seemingly endless list, that Napolitano is totally unqualified to head DHS. A talking head on TV this week made the following reference to her "leadership ability"; She couldn't lead Tiger Woods to a free weekend at a whorehouse!<br><br>I am beginning to wonder if there are any qualified people in this administration at all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another proof , to join the seemingly endless list , that Napolitano is totally unqualified to head DHS .
A talking head on TV this week made the following reference to her " leadership ability " ; She could n't lead Tiger Woods to a free weekend at a whorehouse ! I am beginning to wonder if there are any qualified people in this administration at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another proof, to join the seemingly endless list, that Napolitano is totally unqualified to head DHS.
A talking head on TV this week made the following reference to her "leadership ability"; She couldn't lead Tiger Woods to a free weekend at a whorehouse!I am beginning to wonder if there are any qualified people in this administration at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607916</id>
	<title>Correction</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262286960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is an Associated Press story published on the New York Times site. The NY Times did not report this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is an Associated Press story published on the New York Times site .
The NY Times did not report this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is an Associated Press story published on the New York Times site.
The NY Times did not report this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30611824</id>
	<title>Re:Fuck George Bush!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262272080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Douchebagsezwut?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Douchebagsezwut ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Douchebagsezwut?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30611992</id>
	<title>Re:How about this approach?</title>
	<author>dgatwood</author>
	<datestamp>1262274780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Explosive goes into condoms which are then stored in your body cavities.</p></div></blockquote><p>This is what I've been pointing out ever since they started talking about those millimeter wave scanners.  It is a trivial escalation that completely defeats both backscatter X-Ray and millimeter wave scanners.  That means that the only way those machines add ANYTHING to security AT ALL is if they are installed without anybody knowing they are there.  Now that we know about them, they are USELESS.</p><p>And still our government is spending millions of dollars on this complete waste of money.  Follow the money and I'd be willing to place a sizable bet that the manufacturer of those scanners has contributed a large sum of money to one or both major political parties and/or the campaigns of several high-profile members of our government.  That's the only explanation for our government's complete and utter inability to comprehend what a colossal waste of money these things are.</p><p>There is exactly ONE scanner technology that will do ANY good, and that's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear\_quadrupole\_resonance" title="wikipedia.org">NQR</a> [wikipedia.org].  Spending even one penny on millimeter wave or backscatter X-Ray systems is just flushing money down the toilet.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Explosive goes into condoms which are then stored in your body cavities.This is what I 've been pointing out ever since they started talking about those millimeter wave scanners .
It is a trivial escalation that completely defeats both backscatter X-Ray and millimeter wave scanners .
That means that the only way those machines add ANYTHING to security AT ALL is if they are installed without anybody knowing they are there .
Now that we know about them , they are USELESS.And still our government is spending millions of dollars on this complete waste of money .
Follow the money and I 'd be willing to place a sizable bet that the manufacturer of those scanners has contributed a large sum of money to one or both major political parties and/or the campaigns of several high-profile members of our government .
That 's the only explanation for our government 's complete and utter inability to comprehend what a colossal waste of money these things are.There is exactly ONE scanner technology that will do ANY good , and that 's NQR [ wikipedia.org ] .
Spending even one penny on millimeter wave or backscatter X-Ray systems is just flushing money down the toilet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Explosive goes into condoms which are then stored in your body cavities.This is what I've been pointing out ever since they started talking about those millimeter wave scanners.
It is a trivial escalation that completely defeats both backscatter X-Ray and millimeter wave scanners.
That means that the only way those machines add ANYTHING to security AT ALL is if they are installed without anybody knowing they are there.
Now that we know about them, they are USELESS.And still our government is spending millions of dollars on this complete waste of money.
Follow the money and I'd be willing to place a sizable bet that the manufacturer of those scanners has contributed a large sum of money to one or both major political parties and/or the campaigns of several high-profile members of our government.
That's the only explanation for our government's complete and utter inability to comprehend what a colossal waste of money these things are.There is exactly ONE scanner technology that will do ANY good, and that's NQR [wikipedia.org].
Spending even one penny on millimeter wave or backscatter X-Ray systems is just flushing money down the toilet.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608496</id>
	<title>Re:Typical of the fools.</title>
	<author>wastedlife</author>
	<datestamp>1262290020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>She couldn't lead Tiger Woods to a free weekend at a whorehouse!</p></div><p>She tried, but he ended up driving his car into a tree.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>She could n't lead Tiger Woods to a free weekend at a whorehouse ! She tried , but he ended up driving his car into a tree .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>She couldn't lead Tiger Woods to a free weekend at a whorehouse!She tried, but he ended up driving his car into a tree.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607616</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608562</id>
	<title>Obvious and already reported?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262290260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A) after an incident involving hiding explosives in the groin area and injecting liquid from a syringe into explosives to try to trigger it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... uh, wouldn't "looking carefully at syringes with powders and liquids", and "patting down the upper legs and torso" would be, oh, I don't know, FRICKING OBVIOUS???  Now, the not being able to get up from your seat within 60 minutes of landing -- not so obvious because it's stupid (great, so now the bombers will go to the washroom 61 minutes before landing, and perhaps be obliged to blow up the plane a few minutes earlier).</p><p>B) what did these bloggers report that wasn't already reported the day after the event?</p><p>The whole thing is ridiculous.  As if not announcing where the aircraft is located is going to prevent anyone with half a brain (or the ability to review in Google Earth beforehand) from knowing where they are located by looking out the window at the sun and ground (oh, look, a city), or simply looking up the typical airport approaches.  What next?  Forcing people to close the window shades?  For that matter, the moment the "1 hour before landing ban" is announced, the terrorist will know they are "close enough", or that they need to wait about another 30-45 minutes and then do it, or they wait for the whir of the flaps or the clunk of the landing gear going down if they really want to be sure they are on approach but can't see anything.</p><p>Look, passengers WILL know when the plane is soon going to land and is therefore within the destination country.  Who FRICKING CARES if a terrorist is knowledgeable enough about their location to blow up the aircraft close to a particular spot?  The people on board are dead regardless, and there could be casualties on the ground regardless.  If it happens anywhere above a city the outcome will be much the same: doubly tragic.  And being above a city is pretty easy to determine.  Who cares if it is near to some irrelevant landmark that a pilot might mention in passing?  Position is irrelevant.  Does the TSA want to save lives or protect landmarks?</p><p>I'm assuming the real concern here is not over the contents, but the fact that they were detailed in an internal TSA memo that wasn't supposed to be publicly released, because the only thing that got out was some combination of the obvious and stupid.</p><p>If they want to do anything sensible as a result of this event, they could engineer seats and floors to be more of a barrier to an explosion, like they did for cargo compartments and containers, and maybe do the same for bathrooms.  Maybe wrap the interior with kevlar fabric or something.  It will, of course, add weight and expense.</p><p>A cheaper solution to all this nonsense would be to force everyone to wear skirts or kilts without underwear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A ) after an incident involving hiding explosives in the groin area and injecting liquid from a syringe into explosives to try to trigger it ... uh , would n't " looking carefully at syringes with powders and liquids " , and " patting down the upper legs and torso " would be , oh , I do n't know , FRICKING OBVIOUS ? ? ?
Now , the not being able to get up from your seat within 60 minutes of landing -- not so obvious because it 's stupid ( great , so now the bombers will go to the washroom 61 minutes before landing , and perhaps be obliged to blow up the plane a few minutes earlier ) .B ) what did these bloggers report that was n't already reported the day after the event ? The whole thing is ridiculous .
As if not announcing where the aircraft is located is going to prevent anyone with half a brain ( or the ability to review in Google Earth beforehand ) from knowing where they are located by looking out the window at the sun and ground ( oh , look , a city ) , or simply looking up the typical airport approaches .
What next ?
Forcing people to close the window shades ?
For that matter , the moment the " 1 hour before landing ban " is announced , the terrorist will know they are " close enough " , or that they need to wait about another 30-45 minutes and then do it , or they wait for the whir of the flaps or the clunk of the landing gear going down if they really want to be sure they are on approach but ca n't see anything.Look , passengers WILL know when the plane is soon going to land and is therefore within the destination country .
Who FRICKING CARES if a terrorist is knowledgeable enough about their location to blow up the aircraft close to a particular spot ?
The people on board are dead regardless , and there could be casualties on the ground regardless .
If it happens anywhere above a city the outcome will be much the same : doubly tragic .
And being above a city is pretty easy to determine .
Who cares if it is near to some irrelevant landmark that a pilot might mention in passing ?
Position is irrelevant .
Does the TSA want to save lives or protect landmarks ? I 'm assuming the real concern here is not over the contents , but the fact that they were detailed in an internal TSA memo that was n't supposed to be publicly released , because the only thing that got out was some combination of the obvious and stupid.If they want to do anything sensible as a result of this event , they could engineer seats and floors to be more of a barrier to an explosion , like they did for cargo compartments and containers , and maybe do the same for bathrooms .
Maybe wrap the interior with kevlar fabric or something .
It will , of course , add weight and expense.A cheaper solution to all this nonsense would be to force everyone to wear skirts or kilts without underwear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A) after an incident involving hiding explosives in the groin area and injecting liquid from a syringe into explosives to try to trigger it ... uh, wouldn't "looking carefully at syringes with powders and liquids", and "patting down the upper legs and torso" would be, oh, I don't know, FRICKING OBVIOUS???
Now, the not being able to get up from your seat within 60 minutes of landing -- not so obvious because it's stupid (great, so now the bombers will go to the washroom 61 minutes before landing, and perhaps be obliged to blow up the plane a few minutes earlier).B) what did these bloggers report that wasn't already reported the day after the event?The whole thing is ridiculous.
As if not announcing where the aircraft is located is going to prevent anyone with half a brain (or the ability to review in Google Earth beforehand) from knowing where they are located by looking out the window at the sun and ground (oh, look, a city), or simply looking up the typical airport approaches.
What next?
Forcing people to close the window shades?
For that matter, the moment the "1 hour before landing ban" is announced, the terrorist will know they are "close enough", or that they need to wait about another 30-45 minutes and then do it, or they wait for the whir of the flaps or the clunk of the landing gear going down if they really want to be sure they are on approach but can't see anything.Look, passengers WILL know when the plane is soon going to land and is therefore within the destination country.
Who FRICKING CARES if a terrorist is knowledgeable enough about their location to blow up the aircraft close to a particular spot?
The people on board are dead regardless, and there could be casualties on the ground regardless.
If it happens anywhere above a city the outcome will be much the same: doubly tragic.
And being above a city is pretty easy to determine.
Who cares if it is near to some irrelevant landmark that a pilot might mention in passing?
Position is irrelevant.
Does the TSA want to save lives or protect landmarks?I'm assuming the real concern here is not over the contents, but the fact that they were detailed in an internal TSA memo that wasn't supposed to be publicly released, because the only thing that got out was some combination of the obvious and stupid.If they want to do anything sensible as a result of this event, they could engineer seats and floors to be more of a barrier to an explosion, like they did for cargo compartments and containers, and maybe do the same for bathrooms.
Maybe wrap the interior with kevlar fabric or something.
It will, of course, add weight and expense.A cheaper solution to all this nonsense would be to force everyone to wear skirts or kilts without underwear.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608044</id>
	<title>Re:I still say...</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1262287560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The terrorist did win by diverting resources from activities that would increase our national prosperity to activities that at best do nothing.
<p>
Very little tangible has been done to limit the threat.  For example, here is a US news report on the <a href="http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/031215/15terror.htm" title="usnews.com">Saudi Link to terrorism from 2003</a> [usnews.com].  Recent articles state that the link is still there, for instance there may have been a 15 million transfer from Saudi fundamentalists to Yemen terrorist forces.  For those who do not know, Saudi Arabia earns much of their money through oil, and almost nothing has been done to limit the amount of money they earn.  In fact many people they have a right and responsibility to use as much oil as they want, thereby funding the terrorists.
</p><p>
A better example is the lack of training of the TSA.  We have had eight years to create a professional police force.  If the TSA screeners were seen as a professional force, instead of simply a work program for people who would otherwise be unemployed, I bet there would be much less protest against the body scanning machines.  As it is, the airport screeners are treated as easily replaceable figureheads, not really there to do much of anything.  Yet the screeners should be the most important part of airport defense, not only to prevent terrorists from entering the plane, but to prevent suicide bombers in the airport.
</p><p>
My concern is the TSA does not have leader, and instead of concentrating on making it a professional organization, Conservatives are bickering about unionization.  Most police forces in the US are unionized.  It is a non issue.  This would not really have effected this case.  What might have helped, and what will help, is if every country would take the screening process seriously, instead of just assuming that machines will do everything.  This is something that is a human problem, and CCTV and x-rays will not solve it.  Humans know how to subvert machines.  The only flexible agent is another human</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The terrorist did win by diverting resources from activities that would increase our national prosperity to activities that at best do nothing .
Very little tangible has been done to limit the threat .
For example , here is a US news report on the Saudi Link to terrorism from 2003 [ usnews.com ] .
Recent articles state that the link is still there , for instance there may have been a 15 million transfer from Saudi fundamentalists to Yemen terrorist forces .
For those who do not know , Saudi Arabia earns much of their money through oil , and almost nothing has been done to limit the amount of money they earn .
In fact many people they have a right and responsibility to use as much oil as they want , thereby funding the terrorists .
A better example is the lack of training of the TSA .
We have had eight years to create a professional police force .
If the TSA screeners were seen as a professional force , instead of simply a work program for people who would otherwise be unemployed , I bet there would be much less protest against the body scanning machines .
As it is , the airport screeners are treated as easily replaceable figureheads , not really there to do much of anything .
Yet the screeners should be the most important part of airport defense , not only to prevent terrorists from entering the plane , but to prevent suicide bombers in the airport .
My concern is the TSA does not have leader , and instead of concentrating on making it a professional organization , Conservatives are bickering about unionization .
Most police forces in the US are unionized .
It is a non issue .
This would not really have effected this case .
What might have helped , and what will help , is if every country would take the screening process seriously , instead of just assuming that machines will do everything .
This is something that is a human problem , and CCTV and x-rays will not solve it .
Humans know how to subvert machines .
The only flexible agent is another human</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The terrorist did win by diverting resources from activities that would increase our national prosperity to activities that at best do nothing.
Very little tangible has been done to limit the threat.
For example, here is a US news report on the Saudi Link to terrorism from 2003 [usnews.com].
Recent articles state that the link is still there, for instance there may have been a 15 million transfer from Saudi fundamentalists to Yemen terrorist forces.
For those who do not know, Saudi Arabia earns much of their money through oil, and almost nothing has been done to limit the amount of money they earn.
In fact many people they have a right and responsibility to use as much oil as they want, thereby funding the terrorists.
A better example is the lack of training of the TSA.
We have had eight years to create a professional police force.
If the TSA screeners were seen as a professional force, instead of simply a work program for people who would otherwise be unemployed, I bet there would be much less protest against the body scanning machines.
As it is, the airport screeners are treated as easily replaceable figureheads, not really there to do much of anything.
Yet the screeners should be the most important part of airport defense, not only to prevent terrorists from entering the plane, but to prevent suicide bombers in the airport.
My concern is the TSA does not have leader, and instead of concentrating on making it a professional organization, Conservatives are bickering about unionization.
Most police forces in the US are unionized.
It is a non issue.
This would not really have effected this case.
What might have helped, and what will help, is if every country would take the screening process seriously, instead of just assuming that machines will do everything.
This is something that is a human problem, and CCTV and x-rays will not solve it.
Humans know how to subvert machines.
The only flexible agent is another human</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30610760</id>
	<title>Re:Because obscurity...</title>
	<author>jhol13</author>
	<datestamp>1262260920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By cleaning the aisles very well before next passangers piss on it?</p><p>I am absolutely certain I will rather pee on the aisle than on my pants. Sure, that would be the last time on USA bound flight on my life, but that would be a good thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By cleaning the aisles very well before next passangers piss on it ? I am absolutely certain I will rather pee on the aisle than on my pants .
Sure , that would be the last time on USA bound flight on my life , but that would be a good thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By cleaning the aisles very well before next passangers piss on it?I am absolutely certain I will rather pee on the aisle than on my pants.
Sure, that would be the last time on USA bound flight on my life, but that would be a good thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30611936</id>
	<title>TSA ends journalist subpoenas over leaked memo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262274000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is dropped now, bad anyway...</p><p>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100101/ap\_on\_go\_ot/us\_airliner\_attack\_tsa\_subpoenas</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is dropped now , bad anyway...http : //news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100101/ap \ _on \ _go \ _ot/us \ _airliner \ _attack \ _tsa \ _subpoenas</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is dropped now, bad anyway...http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100101/ap\_on\_go\_ot/us\_airliner\_attack\_tsa\_subpoenas</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607470</id>
	<title>Re:Because obscurity...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262285220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The next phase in the TSA idiocracy will require passengers to perform a #1 (pee) and a #2 (poop), <i>with proof</i>, before boarding a flight to prevent potential liquids and solids of terror being brought on board.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The next phase in the TSA idiocracy will require passengers to perform a # 1 ( pee ) and a # 2 ( poop ) , with proof , before boarding a flight to prevent potential liquids and solids of terror being brought on board .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The next phase in the TSA idiocracy will require passengers to perform a #1 (pee) and a #2 (poop), with proof, before boarding a flight to prevent potential liquids and solids of terror being brought on board.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30609316</id>
	<title>Re:Typical of the fools.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262251200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you implying that there are somehow less qualified people in this administration than the last one?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you implying that there are somehow less qualified people in this administration than the last one ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you implying that there are somehow less qualified people in this administration than the last one?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30609784</id>
	<title>Re:I still say...</title>
	<author>redhotgranny</author>
	<datestamp>1262253960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>And, frankly, the whole country is close to bankrupt. So, terrorist might win the war on terrorism sooner than anyone expected. I am pretty sure that even they were not really thinking about winning that big. It was coincidence of expensive wars and Wall Street crisis. Resources are running thin and wars just keep going. The biggest problem will soon be increasing cost of new loans when rating goes down. Old loans expire too and they need to be refinanced, which becomes easily vicious circle if you have a bad rating.

To think of it does losing 'world leader' status count already as a small victory for terrorist.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And , frankly , the whole country is close to bankrupt .
So , terrorist might win the war on terrorism sooner than anyone expected .
I am pretty sure that even they were not really thinking about winning that big .
It was coincidence of expensive wars and Wall Street crisis .
Resources are running thin and wars just keep going .
The biggest problem will soon be increasing cost of new loans when rating goes down .
Old loans expire too and they need to be refinanced , which becomes easily vicious circle if you have a bad rating .
To think of it does losing 'world leader ' status count already as a small victory for terrorist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And, frankly, the whole country is close to bankrupt.
So, terrorist might win the war on terrorism sooner than anyone expected.
I am pretty sure that even they were not really thinking about winning that big.
It was coincidence of expensive wars and Wall Street crisis.
Resources are running thin and wars just keep going.
The biggest problem will soon be increasing cost of new loans when rating goes down.
Old loans expire too and they need to be refinanced, which becomes easily vicious circle if you have a bad rating.
To think of it does losing 'world leader' status count already as a small victory for terrorist.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608010</id>
	<title>Re:The terrorists aren't even trying hard.</title>
	<author>\_LORAX\_</author>
	<datestamp>1262287380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is especially true with US "Security Theater" since the line for security is usually the longest in the airport.  I have personally been in lines that are 1.5 hours long with hundreds of travelers and those lines are becoming ever more common with each new security measure they tack on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is especially true with US " Security Theater " since the line for security is usually the longest in the airport .
I have personally been in lines that are 1.5 hours long with hundreds of travelers and those lines are becoming ever more common with each new security measure they tack on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is especially true with US "Security Theater" since the line for security is usually the longest in the airport.
I have personally been in lines that are 1.5 hours long with hundreds of travelers and those lines are becoming ever more common with each new security measure they tack on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30612252</id>
	<title>Hang on a sec....</title>
	<author>BLKMGK</author>
	<datestamp>1262278620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So... they subpoena him for the name and he says he doesn't know who it was and signs a paper saying so. Then in order to coerce him into coughing up his laptop for further investigation they THREATEN to interfere with his business? Excuse me but if the warrant didn't cover searching computer media specifically PISS OFF. NO, you do NOT get access to my computer to further your witch hunt. If you want access to that get a damned warrant to search it. Oh that's inconvenient? Sorry. That does NOT make it okay to threaten and intimidate. Bad news for this dude, while they are going over that laptop if they find ANYTHING potentially illegal - say a ripped DVD or who knows what - they can come after him for that. F' that, if they do not have specific access granted to them by a legal document they can take a hike and I'd be damned if I'd even allow them in my house. Talk to them on the porch and hell no you cannot use my restroom or get a glass of water. Cop on the job doesn't get access to JACK, sorry. I don't need the hassle if he spots something he thinks might be hinky. It's MY home, he can goto hell unless he has papers to get in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So... they subpoena him for the name and he says he does n't know who it was and signs a paper saying so .
Then in order to coerce him into coughing up his laptop for further investigation they THREATEN to interfere with his business ?
Excuse me but if the warrant did n't cover searching computer media specifically PISS OFF .
NO , you do NOT get access to my computer to further your witch hunt .
If you want access to that get a damned warrant to search it .
Oh that 's inconvenient ?
Sorry. That does NOT make it okay to threaten and intimidate .
Bad news for this dude , while they are going over that laptop if they find ANYTHING potentially illegal - say a ripped DVD or who knows what - they can come after him for that .
F ' that , if they do not have specific access granted to them by a legal document they can take a hike and I 'd be damned if I 'd even allow them in my house .
Talk to them on the porch and hell no you can not use my restroom or get a glass of water .
Cop on the job does n't get access to JACK , sorry .
I do n't need the hassle if he spots something he thinks might be hinky .
It 's MY home , he can goto hell unless he has papers to get in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So... they subpoena him for the name and he says he doesn't know who it was and signs a paper saying so.
Then in order to coerce him into coughing up his laptop for further investigation they THREATEN to interfere with his business?
Excuse me but if the warrant didn't cover searching computer media specifically PISS OFF.
NO, you do NOT get access to my computer to further your witch hunt.
If you want access to that get a damned warrant to search it.
Oh that's inconvenient?
Sorry. That does NOT make it okay to threaten and intimidate.
Bad news for this dude, while they are going over that laptop if they find ANYTHING potentially illegal - say a ripped DVD or who knows what - they can come after him for that.
F' that, if they do not have specific access granted to them by a legal document they can take a hike and I'd be damned if I'd even allow them in my house.
Talk to them on the porch and hell no you cannot use my restroom or get a glass of water.
Cop on the job doesn't get access to JACK, sorry.
I don't need the hassle if he spots something he thinks might be hinky.
It's MY home, he can goto hell unless he has papers to get in.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607638</id>
	<title>Re:Because obscurity...</title>
	<author>oldspewey</author>
	<datestamp>1262285940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought the next phase was going to involve banning whatever colour pants it was that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was wearing on that flight. I mean, clearly people wearing the same colour pants as Abdulmutallab represent a similar danger right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought the next phase was going to involve banning whatever colour pants it was that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was wearing on that flight .
I mean , clearly people wearing the same colour pants as Abdulmutallab represent a similar danger right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought the next phase was going to involve banning whatever colour pants it was that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was wearing on that flight.
I mean, clearly people wearing the same colour pants as Abdulmutallab represent a similar danger right?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607470</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30619502</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1230831540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A simple solution is to create a new category of  citizens - born, naturalized, illegal, illegal and terrorist and declare normal laws do not apply to the last category. When the laws were created in the 1870s, they did not think about 'terrorist- crime against large group of people" and it is a crime that needs taking their eyes and balls and allow them to rot, as they will see Allah anyway. That is Allash's will. When any religious group wants to control the population, they should be classified as terrorists and apply the special law of exclusion.</p><p>As to TSA problems we have ignored for a long time to create educated people who can "think" rather than emotionally act and create problems. They don't need physics, etc., but logical thinking.legal crooks we elect, it is clear this country will have problems within itself because those who fought for freedom and logical thinking are dead for a long time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A simple solution is to create a new category of citizens - born , naturalized , illegal , illegal and terrorist and declare normal laws do not apply to the last category .
When the laws were created in the 1870s , they did not think about 'terrorist- crime against large group of people " and it is a crime that needs taking their eyes and balls and allow them to rot , as they will see Allah anyway .
That is Allash 's will .
When any religious group wants to control the population , they should be classified as terrorists and apply the special law of exclusion.As to TSA problems we have ignored for a long time to create educated people who can " think " rather than emotionally act and create problems .
They do n't need physics , etc. , but logical thinking.legal crooks we elect , it is clear this country will have problems within itself because those who fought for freedom and logical thinking are dead for a long time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A simple solution is to create a new category of  citizens - born, naturalized, illegal, illegal and terrorist and declare normal laws do not apply to the last category.
When the laws were created in the 1870s, they did not think about 'terrorist- crime against large group of people" and it is a crime that needs taking their eyes and balls and allow them to rot, as they will see Allah anyway.
That is Allash's will.
When any religious group wants to control the population, they should be classified as terrorists and apply the special law of exclusion.As to TSA problems we have ignored for a long time to create educated people who can "think" rather than emotionally act and create problems.
They don't need physics, etc., but logical thinking.legal crooks we elect, it is clear this country will have problems within itself because those who fought for freedom and logical thinking are dead for a long time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607860</id>
	<title>Re:The terrorists aren't even trying hard.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262286720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Only one tiny problem: I'm not sure how one would go about doing it a second time...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Only one tiny problem : I 'm not sure how one would go about doing it a second time.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only one tiny problem: I'm not sure how one would go about doing it a second time...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607558</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608182</id>
	<title>Re:Because obscurity...</title>
	<author>zippthorne</author>
	<datestamp>1262288220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I fail to see how they could have kept "requiring passengers to stay in their seats one hour before landing" secret for any length of time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I fail to see how they could have kept " requiring passengers to stay in their seats one hour before landing " secret for any length of time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I fail to see how they could have kept "requiring passengers to stay in their seats one hour before landing" secret for any length of time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607348</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30610642</id>
	<title>Re:Fuck George Bush!</title>
	<author>ChiRaven</author>
	<datestamp>1262259780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When will Obama be inaugurated?</p></div><p>Actually, in many cases the Obama/Holder justice department is proving to be a greater threat to civil liberties than the Bush administration ever was.  And that takes a LOT of doing.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When will Obama be inaugurated ? Actually , in many cases the Obama/Holder justice department is proving to be a greater threat to civil liberties than the Bush administration ever was .
And that takes a LOT of doing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When will Obama be inaugurated?Actually, in many cases the Obama/Holder justice department is proving to be a greater threat to civil liberties than the Bush administration ever was.
And that takes a LOT of doing.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607372</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30609998</id>
	<title>Re:I still say...</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1262255220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My concern is the TSA does not have leader, and instead of concentrating on making it a professional organization, Conservatives are bickering about unionization. Most police forces in the US are unionized. It is a non issue. This would not really have effected this case. What might have helped, and what will help, is if every country would take the screening process seriously, instead of just assuming that machines will do everything. This is something that is a human problem, and CCTV and x-rays will not solve it. Humans know how to subvert machines. The only flexible agent is another human</p></div><p>Unionization is an issue, if as you claim, you are interested in a competent, trained TSA. My view on the matter is that no government employee should be unionized. I certainly am not willing to make exceptions for law enforcement. There are simply far too many conflicts of interest present in allowing unionization in the government workforce.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My concern is the TSA does not have leader , and instead of concentrating on making it a professional organization , Conservatives are bickering about unionization .
Most police forces in the US are unionized .
It is a non issue .
This would not really have effected this case .
What might have helped , and what will help , is if every country would take the screening process seriously , instead of just assuming that machines will do everything .
This is something that is a human problem , and CCTV and x-rays will not solve it .
Humans know how to subvert machines .
The only flexible agent is another humanUnionization is an issue , if as you claim , you are interested in a competent , trained TSA .
My view on the matter is that no government employee should be unionized .
I certainly am not willing to make exceptions for law enforcement .
There are simply far too many conflicts of interest present in allowing unionization in the government workforce .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My concern is the TSA does not have leader, and instead of concentrating on making it a professional organization, Conservatives are bickering about unionization.
Most police forces in the US are unionized.
It is a non issue.
This would not really have effected this case.
What might have helped, and what will help, is if every country would take the screening process seriously, instead of just assuming that machines will do everything.
This is something that is a human problem, and CCTV and x-rays will not solve it.
Humans know how to subvert machines.
The only flexible agent is another humanUnionization is an issue, if as you claim, you are interested in a competent, trained TSA.
My view on the matter is that no government employee should be unionized.
I certainly am not willing to make exceptions for law enforcement.
There are simply far too many conflicts of interest present in allowing unionization in the government workforce.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608044</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607640</id>
	<title>And insightful post by an annonymous poster..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262285940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Terrorism is the use or threat of use of violent to bring about a social, political, or economic change. Any single violent action taken by any terrorist group can not alter any of this. Yes, people will die, destruction will occur, and lives will be change. But it is only in our response to their attacks that our way of life can be changed.</p><p>You want to send a chilling message to those who would attack our very society? Find them with our existing intelligence systems. Try them in our existing court systems. Imprison them in our civilian detention system. And build back the Twin Towers just as they were with an anti-aircraft cannon sitting on the top of both of them. Show them the might of a free nation.</p><p>Or our politicians (on both sides of the isle) could use these attacks to justify sweeping changes to civil liberties, the judicial system, the creation of a new "security" department, and gross consolidation of federal and presidential power.</p><p>-Rick</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Terrorism is the use or threat of use of violent to bring about a social , political , or economic change .
Any single violent action taken by any terrorist group can not alter any of this .
Yes , people will die , destruction will occur , and lives will be change .
But it is only in our response to their attacks that our way of life can be changed.You want to send a chilling message to those who would attack our very society ?
Find them with our existing intelligence systems .
Try them in our existing court systems .
Imprison them in our civilian detention system .
And build back the Twin Towers just as they were with an anti-aircraft cannon sitting on the top of both of them .
Show them the might of a free nation.Or our politicians ( on both sides of the isle ) could use these attacks to justify sweeping changes to civil liberties , the judicial system , the creation of a new " security " department , and gross consolidation of federal and presidential power.-Rick</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Terrorism is the use or threat of use of violent to bring about a social, political, or economic change.
Any single violent action taken by any terrorist group can not alter any of this.
Yes, people will die, destruction will occur, and lives will be change.
But it is only in our response to their attacks that our way of life can be changed.You want to send a chilling message to those who would attack our very society?
Find them with our existing intelligence systems.
Try them in our existing court systems.
Imprison them in our civilian detention system.
And build back the Twin Towers just as they were with an anti-aircraft cannon sitting on the top of both of them.
Show them the might of a free nation.Or our politicians (on both sides of the isle) could use these attacks to justify sweeping changes to civil liberties, the judicial system, the creation of a new "security" department, and gross consolidation of federal and presidential power.-Rick</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607406</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607306</id>
	<title>GAY MIDGET ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262284680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><b>About GMAA</b>:</p><p><b>GMAA</b> (<i>GAY MIDGET ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA</i>) is the first<br>organization which gathers GAY MIDGETS from all over America and abroad for one<br>common goal - being GAY MIDGETS.</p><p>Are you <a href="http://klerck.org/spin.gif" title="klerck.org" rel="nofollow"> <b>GAY</b> </a> [klerck.org]?</p><p>Are you a <a href="http://www.mugshots.org/sports/oj-simpson.jpg" title="mugshots.org" rel="nofollow"> <b>MIDGET</b> </a> [mugshots.org]?</p><p>Are you a <a href="http://www.gay-sex-access.com/gay-black-sex.jpg" title="gay-sex-access.com" rel="nofollow"> <b>GAY MIDGET</b> </a> [gay-sex-access.com]?</p><p>If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then <b>GMAA</b> (<i>GAY MIDGET<br>ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA</i>) might be exactly what you've been looking for!</p><p>Join <b>GMAA</b> (<i>GAY MIDGET ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA</i>) today, and enjoy<br>all the benefits of being a full-time <b>GMAA</b> member.</p><p><b>GMAA</b> (<i>GAY MIDGET ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA</i>) is the fastest-growing<br>GAY MIDGET community with THOUSANDS of members all over United States of<br>America and the World! You, too, can be a part of <b>GMAA</b> if you join<br>today!</p><p>Why not? It's quick and easy - <b>only 3 simple steps!</b> </p><ul><li>First, you have to obtain a copy of <a href="http://us.imdb.com/Title?0274518" title="imdb.com" rel="nofollow"> <i>GAYMIDGETS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE</i> </a> [imdb.com] and watch it.</li><li>Second, you need to succeed in posting a <b>GMAA</b> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First\_Post" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow"> <i>First Post</i> </a> [wikipedia.org] on <a href="http://slashdot.org/" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">slashdot.org</a> [slashdot.org], a popular "news for trolls" website.</li><li>Third, you need to join the official <b>GMAA</b> irc channel #GMAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for membership.</li></ul><p>Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to <b>sign up<br>today</b>! Upon submitting your application, you will be required to submit<br>links to your successful <i>First Post</i>, and you <b>will</b> be tested on<br>your knowledge of <i>GAYMIDGETS FROM OUTER SPACE</i>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>About GMAA : GMAA ( GAY MIDGET ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA ) is the firstorganization which gathers GAY MIDGETS from all over America and abroad for onecommon goal - being GAY MIDGETS.Are you GAY [ klerck.org ] ? Are you a MIDGET [ mugshots.org ] ? Are you a GAY MIDGET [ gay-sex-access.com ] ? If you answered " Yes " to all of the above questions , then GMAA ( GAY MIDGETASSOCIATION OF AMERICA ) might be exactly what you 've been looking for ! Join GMAA ( GAY MIDGET ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA ) today , and enjoyall the benefits of being a full-time GMAA member.GMAA ( GAY MIDGET ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA ) is the fastest-growingGAY MIDGET community with THOUSANDS of members all over United States ofAmerica and the World !
You , too , can be a part of GMAA if you jointoday ! Why not ?
It 's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps !
First , you have to obtain a copy of GAYMIDGETS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE [ imdb.com ] and watch it.Second , you need to succeed in posting a GMAA First Post [ wikipedia.org ] on slashdot.org [ slashdot.org ] , a popular " news for trolls " website.Third , you need to join the official GMAA irc channel # GMAA on irc.gnaa.us , and apply for membership.Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign uptoday !
Upon submitting your application , you will be required to submitlinks to your successful First Post , and you will be tested onyour knowledge of GAYMIDGETS FROM OUTER SPACE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>About GMAA:GMAA (GAY MIDGET ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the firstorganization which gathers GAY MIDGETS from all over America and abroad for onecommon goal - being GAY MIDGETS.Are you  GAY  [klerck.org]?Are you a  MIDGET  [mugshots.org]?Are you a  GAY MIDGET  [gay-sex-access.com]?If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GMAA (GAY MIDGETASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be exactly what you've been looking for!Join GMAA (GAY MIDGET ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) today, and enjoyall the benefits of being a full-time GMAA member.GMAA (GAY MIDGET ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the fastest-growingGAY MIDGET community with THOUSANDS of members all over United States ofAmerica and the World!
You, too, can be a part of GMAA if you jointoday!Why not?
It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!
First, you have to obtain a copy of  GAYMIDGETS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE  [imdb.com] and watch it.Second, you need to succeed in posting a GMAA  First Post  [wikipedia.org] on slashdot.org [slashdot.org], a popular "news for trolls" website.Third, you need to join the official GMAA irc channel #GMAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for membership.Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign uptoday!
Upon submitting your application, you will be required to submitlinks to your successful First Post, and you will be tested onyour knowledge of GAYMIDGETS FROM OUTER SPACE.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608514</id>
	<title>I'm surprised I haven't seen</title>
	<author>mandark1967</author>
	<datestamp>1262290020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>a digitized remake of the Milton Berle (since he's dead) BVD commercial stating that exploding is about the only thing he hasn't done in his BVDs...</p><p>Or the maker of "Depends" commercial stating they prevent all sorts of, ehm, "accidents"...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>a digitized remake of the Milton Berle ( since he 's dead ) BVD commercial stating that exploding is about the only thing he has n't done in his BVDs...Or the maker of " Depends " commercial stating they prevent all sorts of , ehm , " accidents " .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a digitized remake of the Milton Berle (since he's dead) BVD commercial stating that exploding is about the only thing he hasn't done in his BVDs...Or the maker of "Depends" commercial stating they prevent all sorts of, ehm, "accidents"...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608470</id>
	<title>There is one slight error in this:</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1262289840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They can never take <em>all</em> bloggers off the net.</p><p>So the result will only be even more Streisand effect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They can never take all bloggers off the net.So the result will only be even more Streisand effect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They can never take all bloggers off the net.So the result will only be even more Streisand effect.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30614916</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1230834600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Your biggest problem here is that you're assuming a base desirable (malformed babies are bad)</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your biggest problem here is that you 're assuming a base desirable ( malformed babies are bad )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your biggest problem here is that you're assuming a base desirable (malformed babies are bad)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30612684</id>
	<title>Re:It's not classified information</title>
	<author>MartinSchou</author>
	<datestamp>1262287080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They may not be able to charge him with anything, but considering just how difficult it is to get off the no flight lists, I'm sure the TSA could have some ability to pressure compliance. Not to mention the bad PR KLM would suffer, if it became public knowledge that one of their official bloggers were on that list.</p><p>It's a bit like buying fire insurance from mobsters.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They may not be able to charge him with anything , but considering just how difficult it is to get off the no flight lists , I 'm sure the TSA could have some ability to pressure compliance .
Not to mention the bad PR KLM would suffer , if it became public knowledge that one of their official bloggers were on that list.It 's a bit like buying fire insurance from mobsters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They may not be able to charge him with anything, but considering just how difficult it is to get off the no flight lists, I'm sure the TSA could have some ability to pressure compliance.
Not to mention the bad PR KLM would suffer, if it became public knowledge that one of their official bloggers were on that list.It's a bit like buying fire insurance from mobsters.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608190</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30611654</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1262269800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>I doubt a majority of totally informed people would act against a minority in a punitive way, as this would leave each individual open to punitive acts from a different majority.  Doesn't need a majority. You misunderstand people and vindictiveness. Given ease of information mining, some idiot will single out some other person, just because.</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>I doubt a majority of totally informed people would act against a minority in a punitive way , as this would leave each individual open to punitive acts from a different majority .
Does n't need a majority .
You misunderstand people and vindictiveness .
Given ease of information mining , some idiot will single out some other person , just because .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I doubt a majority of totally informed people would act against a minority in a punitive way, as this would leave each individual open to punitive acts from a different majority.
Doesn't need a majority.
You misunderstand people and vindictiveness.
Given ease of information mining, some idiot will single out some other person, just because.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607378</id>
	<title>He is going to have to do better then that</title>
	<author>Meshach</author>
	<datestamp>1262284860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>''It literally showed up in my box,'' Frischling told The Associated Press. ''I do not know who it came from.''</p></div></blockquote><p>
That will be a difficult statement to justify seeing the trouble that this has caused the industry.  He may have just gotten some random emailing detailing a plot to blow up an airplane and then posted it as fact on his blog but he is going to need to justify his actions better then that to avoid scrutiny.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>''It literally showed up in my box,' ' Frischling told The Associated Press .
''I do not know who it came from .
' ' That will be a difficult statement to justify seeing the trouble that this has caused the industry .
He may have just gotten some random emailing detailing a plot to blow up an airplane and then posted it as fact on his blog but he is going to need to justify his actions better then that to avoid scrutiny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>''It literally showed up in my box,'' Frischling told The Associated Press.
''I do not know who it came from.
''
That will be a difficult statement to justify seeing the trouble that this has caused the industry.
He may have just gotten some random emailing detailing a plot to blow up an airplane and then posted it as fact on his blog but he is going to need to justify his actions better then that to avoid scrutiny.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30610176</id>
	<title>Does Homeland Security have this authority?</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1262256360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
That guy needs a lawyer.  But looking at the authorities referenced in the "subpoena", there are some real questions.  It's an "administrative subpoena", not one issued by a court.  Some agencies can do that.  (The FBI has been refused that authority by Congress).  The Department of Transportation has <a href="http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/49C461.txt" title="house.gov">subpoena authority for its hearings and investigations</a> [house.gov], and Homeland Security inheirited that authority when TSA was transferred from DOT to DHS. For all administrative subpoenas, the party served can file a motion to quash the subpoena with a District Court, and the court has to rule before anything happens.
</p><p>
But that section (49 USC 46104) refers to a "hearing or investigation", a formal proceeding presided over by a hearing officer.  This is just some "special agent", and the subpoena is signed by someone with the title "Senior Counsel - Civil Enforcement".  There's a list of people who can sign these things at 49 CFR 1503.303, and a "Senior Counsel" isn't high enough up the food chain to sign off.  A Deputy Chief Counsel or the <a href="http://www.tsa.gov/who\_we\_are/people/bios/francine\_kerner\_bio.shtm" title="tsa.gov">Chief Counsel</a> [tsa.gov] is supposed to sign.  This probably reflects who the TSA had in the office on December 26.  A more senior official probably would have considered the political implications of doing something this embarrassing.
</p><p>
This is a touchy area, related to the "National Security Letter" debacle.  See this <a href="http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22122.pdf" title="fas.org">Congressional Research Service analysis.</a> [fas.org] The FBI got in trouble for <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/05/AR2008030500463.html" title="washingtonpost.com">issuing demands for documents without statutory authority.</a> [washingtonpost.com]
</p><p>
The Associated Press reports that <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/wire/sns-ap-us-airliner-attack-tsa-subpoenas,0,3964528.story" title="latimes.com">the blogger is going to challenge the subpoena in court.</a> [latimes.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That guy needs a lawyer .
But looking at the authorities referenced in the " subpoena " , there are some real questions .
It 's an " administrative subpoena " , not one issued by a court .
Some agencies can do that .
( The FBI has been refused that authority by Congress ) .
The Department of Transportation has subpoena authority for its hearings and investigations [ house.gov ] , and Homeland Security inheirited that authority when TSA was transferred from DOT to DHS .
For all administrative subpoenas , the party served can file a motion to quash the subpoena with a District Court , and the court has to rule before anything happens .
But that section ( 49 USC 46104 ) refers to a " hearing or investigation " , a formal proceeding presided over by a hearing officer .
This is just some " special agent " , and the subpoena is signed by someone with the title " Senior Counsel - Civil Enforcement " .
There 's a list of people who can sign these things at 49 CFR 1503.303 , and a " Senior Counsel " is n't high enough up the food chain to sign off .
A Deputy Chief Counsel or the Chief Counsel [ tsa.gov ] is supposed to sign .
This probably reflects who the TSA had in the office on December 26 .
A more senior official probably would have considered the political implications of doing something this embarrassing .
This is a touchy area , related to the " National Security Letter " debacle .
See this Congressional Research Service analysis .
[ fas.org ] The FBI got in trouble for issuing demands for documents without statutory authority .
[ washingtonpost.com ] The Associated Press reports that the blogger is going to challenge the subpoena in court .
[ latimes.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
That guy needs a lawyer.
But looking at the authorities referenced in the "subpoena", there are some real questions.
It's an "administrative subpoena", not one issued by a court.
Some agencies can do that.
(The FBI has been refused that authority by Congress).
The Department of Transportation has subpoena authority for its hearings and investigations [house.gov], and Homeland Security inheirited that authority when TSA was transferred from DOT to DHS.
For all administrative subpoenas, the party served can file a motion to quash the subpoena with a District Court, and the court has to rule before anything happens.
But that section (49 USC 46104) refers to a "hearing or investigation", a formal proceeding presided over by a hearing officer.
This is just some "special agent", and the subpoena is signed by someone with the title "Senior Counsel - Civil Enforcement".
There's a list of people who can sign these things at 49 CFR 1503.303, and a "Senior Counsel" isn't high enough up the food chain to sign off.
A Deputy Chief Counsel or the Chief Counsel [tsa.gov] is supposed to sign.
This probably reflects who the TSA had in the office on December 26.
A more senior official probably would have considered the political implications of doing something this embarrassing.
This is a touchy area, related to the "National Security Letter" debacle.
See this Congressional Research Service analysis.
[fas.org] The FBI got in trouble for issuing demands for documents without statutory authority.
[washingtonpost.com]

The Associated Press reports that the blogger is going to challenge the subpoena in court.
[latimes.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608190</id>
	<title>It's not classified information</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262288220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not classified information.  It's just called "sensitive" information under
<a href="http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&amp;tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title49/49cfr1520\_main\_02.tpl" title="gpoaccess.gov">49 CFR 1520</a> [gpoaccess.gov].  That's a federal regulation, not a criminal law, and it only applies to persons <a href="http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&amp;sid=d1c879ff6d58ea92d3ecbcd2e0eefe42&amp;rgn=div8&amp;view=text&amp;node=49:9.1.3.4.8.0.10.4&amp;idno=49" title="gpoaccess.gov">authorized to receive the information</a> [gpoaccess.gov], not to the general public.  If the TSA finds the authorized person who is the source of the leak, they can charge them a civil penalty, but a non-authorized recipient has no obligation to keep the material confidential.
</p><p>
There are criminal penalties associated with actual classified information, but they don't apply here. Homeland Security has the authority to create classified documents, but then they have to comply with all the requirements of accountability, marking, numbered copies, copying restrictions, approved containers, encrypted transmissions, burn bags, and security clearances.  They can't send something to every airline gate agent and baggage handler and call it "classified", because those people aren't cleared for classified information.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not classified information .
It 's just called " sensitive " information under 49 CFR 1520 [ gpoaccess.gov ] .
That 's a federal regulation , not a criminal law , and it only applies to persons authorized to receive the information [ gpoaccess.gov ] , not to the general public .
If the TSA finds the authorized person who is the source of the leak , they can charge them a civil penalty , but a non-authorized recipient has no obligation to keep the material confidential .
There are criminal penalties associated with actual classified information , but they do n't apply here .
Homeland Security has the authority to create classified documents , but then they have to comply with all the requirements of accountability , marking , numbered copies , copying restrictions , approved containers , encrypted transmissions , burn bags , and security clearances .
They ca n't send something to every airline gate agent and baggage handler and call it " classified " , because those people are n't cleared for classified information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not classified information.
It's just called "sensitive" information under
49 CFR 1520 [gpoaccess.gov].
That's a federal regulation, not a criminal law, and it only applies to persons authorized to receive the information [gpoaccess.gov], not to the general public.
If the TSA finds the authorized person who is the source of the leak, they can charge them a civil penalty, but a non-authorized recipient has no obligation to keep the material confidential.
There are criminal penalties associated with actual classified information, but they don't apply here.
Homeland Security has the authority to create classified documents, but then they have to comply with all the requirements of accountability, marking, numbered copies, copying restrictions, approved containers, encrypted transmissions, burn bags, and security clearances.
They can't send something to every airline gate agent and baggage handler and call it "classified", because those people aren't cleared for classified information.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30612450</id>
	<title>Re:How about this approach?</title>
	<author>BiggerIsBetter</author>
	<datestamp>1262282340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>During that time, recover the explosives and PREP THE BOMB BEFORE HAND IN THE PUBLIC BATHROOM. You've already cleared security.</p></div><p>Some smaller airports don't have public bathrooms after you've cleared security. I imagine the ones that do will close them after the first attempt at the above scenario.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>During that time , recover the explosives and PREP THE BOMB BEFORE HAND IN THE PUBLIC BATHROOM .
You 've already cleared security.Some smaller airports do n't have public bathrooms after you 've cleared security .
I imagine the ones that do will close them after the first attempt at the above scenario .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>During that time, recover the explosives and PREP THE BOMB BEFORE HAND IN THE PUBLIC BATHROOM.
You've already cleared security.Some smaller airports don't have public bathrooms after you've cleared security.
I imagine the ones that do will close them after the first attempt at the above scenario.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608862</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607636</id>
	<title>Re:I still say...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262285880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's no longer in the billions.  If you count Iraq and Afghanistan, the tab is over a trillion dollars.  THe human cost is well over 5,000 dead soldiers, tens of thousands wounded, countless thousands of dead Iraqis and on top of that, they've managed to have the US ruin its own international reputation permanently.  The US has become self-terrorizing ever since 9/11 making future terror attacks completely unnecessary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's no longer in the billions .
If you count Iraq and Afghanistan , the tab is over a trillion dollars .
THe human cost is well over 5,000 dead soldiers , tens of thousands wounded , countless thousands of dead Iraqis and on top of that , they 've managed to have the US ruin its own international reputation permanently .
The US has become self-terrorizing ever since 9/11 making future terror attacks completely unnecessary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's no longer in the billions.
If you count Iraq and Afghanistan, the tab is over a trillion dollars.
THe human cost is well over 5,000 dead soldiers, tens of thousands wounded, countless thousands of dead Iraqis and on top of that, they've managed to have the US ruin its own international reputation permanently.
The US has become self-terrorizing ever since 9/11 making future terror attacks completely unnecessary.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607406</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608362</id>
	<title>Pick your poison</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262289120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As long as there is evil in the hearts of men, there will never be a totally free government. And there will always be evil. The point is that the evil needs to be stamped out. And if the TSA has one leak in it, it may have others. And those leaks can compromise the security of an airport, which will allow that evil to succeed.</p><p>While terrorism exists, you will either have more death and more rights, or less death and fewer rights. Make your pick.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as there is evil in the hearts of men , there will never be a totally free government .
And there will always be evil .
The point is that the evil needs to be stamped out .
And if the TSA has one leak in it , it may have others .
And those leaks can compromise the security of an airport , which will allow that evil to succeed.While terrorism exists , you will either have more death and more rights , or less death and fewer rights .
Make your pick .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as there is evil in the hearts of men, there will never be a totally free government.
And there will always be evil.
The point is that the evil needs to be stamped out.
And if the TSA has one leak in it, it may have others.
And those leaks can compromise the security of an airport, which will allow that evil to succeed.While terrorism exists, you will either have more death and more rights, or less death and fewer rights.
Make your pick.
 </sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30610232</id>
	<title>Re:And insightful post by an annonymous poster..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262256780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or our politicians (on both sides of the isle) <b>did</b> use these attacks to justify sweeping changes to civil liberties, the judicial system, the creation of a new "security" department, and gross consolidation of federal and presidential power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or our politicians ( on both sides of the isle ) did use these attacks to justify sweeping changes to civil liberties , the judicial system , the creation of a new " security " department , and gross consolidation of federal and presidential power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or our politicians (on both sides of the isle) did use these attacks to justify sweeping changes to civil liberties, the judicial system, the creation of a new "security" department, and gross consolidation of federal and presidential power.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607640</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30609474</id>
	<title>Never in your house</title>
	<author>cm-in-costa-rica</author>
	<datestamp>1262252220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>OMG, don't ever let these types into your house.  Many years ago I had run-ins with NSA types over crypto.  They got invited in, and left "presents" I had to find.
Then Customs called, wanting to meet at my new house. NO. NO.  At lawyer's ok.  With tape recorders running, openly, one copy for them as courtesy.
Martha Stewart taught us one lesson:  NEVER SAY ANYTHING to a Federal Agent.

So you got a deposit in your mailbox.  THEY have the technology to figure that out, and they have no reason to meet with you.

No, I am not, never was, on the side of the "bad guys", but I was never on the anti Constitution side either.

These folks could have checked, and followed the intelligence handed them on a silver platter, by "bad guy's" father - them being in the intelligence business and all - checking on where a blogger's Email came from is THEIR business, not the blogger's.</htmltext>
<tokenext>OMG , do n't ever let these types into your house .
Many years ago I had run-ins with NSA types over crypto .
They got invited in , and left " presents " I had to find .
Then Customs called , wanting to meet at my new house .
NO. NO .
At lawyer 's ok. With tape recorders running , openly , one copy for them as courtesy .
Martha Stewart taught us one lesson : NEVER SAY ANYTHING to a Federal Agent .
So you got a deposit in your mailbox .
THEY have the technology to figure that out , and they have no reason to meet with you .
No , I am not , never was , on the side of the " bad guys " , but I was never on the anti Constitution side either .
These folks could have checked , and followed the intelligence handed them on a silver platter , by " bad guy 's " father - them being in the intelligence business and all - checking on where a blogger 's Email came from is THEIR business , not the blogger 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OMG, don't ever let these types into your house.
Many years ago I had run-ins with NSA types over crypto.
They got invited in, and left "presents" I had to find.
Then Customs called, wanting to meet at my new house.
NO. NO.
At lawyer's ok.  With tape recorders running, openly, one copy for them as courtesy.
Martha Stewart taught us one lesson:  NEVER SAY ANYTHING to a Federal Agent.
So you got a deposit in your mailbox.
THEY have the technology to figure that out, and they have no reason to meet with you.
No, I am not, never was, on the side of the "bad guys", but I was never on the anti Constitution side either.
These folks could have checked, and followed the intelligence handed them on a silver platter, by "bad guy's" father - them being in the intelligence business and all - checking on where a blogger's Email came from is THEIR business, not the blogger's.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607994</id>
	<title>Re:The terrorists aren't even trying hard.</title>
	<author>mikael</author>
	<datestamp>1262287260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then the security checkpoint would be moved to the front of the airport, and queues would form there, which would then be another target for the terrorists.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then the security checkpoint would be moved to the front of the airport , and queues would form there , which would then be another target for the terrorists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then the security checkpoint would be moved to the front of the airport, and queues would form there, which would then be another target for the terrorists.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607558</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30615784</id>
	<title>AUTHORITY?</title>
	<author>bogidu</author>
	<datestamp>1230800520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let me make this perfectly clear.  Outside of an airport where these CZAR's have been given carte blanche authority from the prior regime, these people are NOT FBI, CIA, or have any other power outside of providing security for the transportation systems in this country.  If one of these "special agents" showed up at my door, I would be calling the local police and have them removed my property, NOT inviting them inside for coffee or tea.  People, STOP just giving away the rights and freedoms you have left!  We the people need to stop allowing more and more government agencies from being created and just turning over everytime some new three-letter acronym with a badge shows up!</p><p>Perhaps I'm just getting old and I remember the bad ole 80's where we had this image of communist countries where men in trench coats would walk up and ask for papers and the citizenry would comply out of fear that they would disappear in the middle of the night.  Those who may remember that should also be aware the the step before that is GIVING UP YOUR FREEDOMS FOR GREATER SECURITY.</p><p>Benjamin Franklin is probably rolling over in his grave.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me make this perfectly clear .
Outside of an airport where these CZAR 's have been given carte blanche authority from the prior regime , these people are NOT FBI , CIA , or have any other power outside of providing security for the transportation systems in this country .
If one of these " special agents " showed up at my door , I would be calling the local police and have them removed my property , NOT inviting them inside for coffee or tea .
People , STOP just giving away the rights and freedoms you have left !
We the people need to stop allowing more and more government agencies from being created and just turning over everytime some new three-letter acronym with a badge shows up ! Perhaps I 'm just getting old and I remember the bad ole 80 's where we had this image of communist countries where men in trench coats would walk up and ask for papers and the citizenry would comply out of fear that they would disappear in the middle of the night .
Those who may remember that should also be aware the the step before that is GIVING UP YOUR FREEDOMS FOR GREATER SECURITY.Benjamin Franklin is probably rolling over in his grave .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me make this perfectly clear.
Outside of an airport where these CZAR's have been given carte blanche authority from the prior regime, these people are NOT FBI, CIA, or have any other power outside of providing security for the transportation systems in this country.
If one of these "special agents" showed up at my door, I would be calling the local police and have them removed my property, NOT inviting them inside for coffee or tea.
People, STOP just giving away the rights and freedoms you have left!
We the people need to stop allowing more and more government agencies from being created and just turning over everytime some new three-letter acronym with a badge shows up!Perhaps I'm just getting old and I remember the bad ole 80's where we had this image of communist countries where men in trench coats would walk up and ask for papers and the citizenry would comply out of fear that they would disappear in the middle of the night.
Those who may remember that should also be aware the the step before that is GIVING UP YOUR FREEDOMS FOR GREATER SECURITY.Benjamin Franklin is probably rolling over in his grave.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607528</id>
	<title>Re:Because obscurity...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262285460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except that it wouldn't be obscure for long... it only takes a single blogger getting run through the security process while trying to board for the whole "secret new screening procedure" to become completely known.</p><p>To paraphrase Bruce Schneier, it seems like the DHS/TSA is now engaging in security meta-theater so that they can demonstrate how oh-so-very-important the security theater is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that it would n't be obscure for long... it only takes a single blogger getting run through the security process while trying to board for the whole " secret new screening procedure " to become completely known.To paraphrase Bruce Schneier , it seems like the DHS/TSA is now engaging in security meta-theater so that they can demonstrate how oh-so-very-important the security theater is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that it wouldn't be obscure for long... it only takes a single blogger getting run through the security process while trying to board for the whole "secret new screening procedure" to become completely known.To paraphrase Bruce Schneier, it seems like the DHS/TSA is now engaging in security meta-theater so that they can demonstrate how oh-so-very-important the security theater is.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607348</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607406</id>
	<title>I still say...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262284980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The terrorists won.   And won big!</p><p>They spent what... couple million?  some of their dumber guys who they could talk into blowing up.</p><p>And got back what...   The usa crapped itself and spent BILLIONS of dollars on totally useless 'security'.</p><p>Man...  they won huge!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The terrorists won .
And won big ! They spent what... couple million ?
some of their dumber guys who they could talk into blowing up.And got back what... The usa crapped itself and spent BILLIONS of dollars on totally useless 'security'.Man... they won huge !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The terrorists won.
And won big!They spent what... couple million?
some of their dumber guys who they could talk into blowing up.And got back what...   The usa crapped itself and spent BILLIONS of dollars on totally useless 'security'.Man...  they won huge!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30613414</id>
	<title>Re:How about this approach?</title>
	<author>johncadengo</author>
	<datestamp>1230813540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should've posted this anonymous coward. Wear the tinfoil, brother. They're out to get you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should 've posted this anonymous coward .
Wear the tinfoil , brother .
They 're out to get you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should've posted this anonymous coward.
Wear the tinfoil, brother.
They're out to get you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608862</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607372</id>
	<title>Fuck George Bush!</title>
	<author>Vinegar Joe</author>
	<datestamp>1262284860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When will Obama be inaugurated?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When will Obama be inaugurated ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When will Obama be inaugurated?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607878</id>
	<title>Security</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262286840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An incompetent security agency is bad enough. An incompetent and aggressive security agency is even worse.</p><p>I guess they don't want terrorists figuring out ways around their ineffective security policies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An incompetent security agency is bad enough .
An incompetent and aggressive security agency is even worse.I guess they do n't want terrorists figuring out ways around their ineffective security policies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An incompetent security agency is bad enough.
An incompetent and aggressive security agency is even worse.I guess they don't want terrorists figuring out ways around their ineffective security policies.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608008</id>
	<title>Bring the used toilet paper?</title>
	<author>crovira</author>
	<datestamp>1262287320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now if their detectors were really good, they'd provide biometric tagging, be able to gauge your health and update your medical records too.</p><p>That way we'd know the identity of everybody OR you CANT FLY!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now if their detectors were really good , they 'd provide biometric tagging , be able to gauge your health and update your medical records too.That way we 'd know the identity of everybody OR you CANT FLY !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now if their detectors were really good, they'd provide biometric tagging, be able to gauge your health and update your medical records too.That way we'd know the identity of everybody OR you CANT FLY!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607470</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30610636</id>
	<title>What the hell is the matter with these people.</title>
	<author>omb</author>
	<datestamp>1262259720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>On one hand the US National Security aperatus has reverted to pre 9/11 games ie Not Sharing, usually justified to PROTECT SOURCES, in this case a walk in concerned father, and just after they released an incorrectly redacted PDF which contained all the original screening material, just covered in black, and now Napolitano is dithering in Circles.<br><br>These idiotic assholes are very lucky I am not president because I would fire all the secretaries, directors, deputy and assistant directors of each of the Departments and Agencies involved in these repeated debacles, in this case CIA, DHS, TSA and anyone else found with dirty hands,<br><br>Then I would use the C level pay savings by re-appointing only half these posts to:<br><br>Get Schneier to head an office of Risk Assesment of no more than 50 analysts, drawn from existing agencies, reporting to the NSA so we would stop continually fighting the last war.<br><br>Get a similar independant thinker to take over and run an Office of Counterterrorist Reference Data, Comprising No-Fly, Watch<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... lists with the responsibility get them up-to-date and correct. Web access to all via a web interface.<br><br>Finally, let me point out that all this full-body scan/sniffers is bullshit since the next guy to try this will probably put the stuff up his ass, not in his unter hosen, so that unless you use an NMR machine you are not going to find it. That is exactly why it is vital to listen to people like Schneier, who has been consistently correct, rather that sheeple pacifing politicians. This is too serious for business as usual.</htmltext>
<tokenext>On one hand the US National Security aperatus has reverted to pre 9/11 games ie Not Sharing , usually justified to PROTECT SOURCES , in this case a walk in concerned father , and just after they released an incorrectly redacted PDF which contained all the original screening material , just covered in black , and now Napolitano is dithering in Circles.These idiotic assholes are very lucky I am not president because I would fire all the secretaries , directors , deputy and assistant directors of each of the Departments and Agencies involved in these repeated debacles , in this case CIA , DHS , TSA and anyone else found with dirty hands,Then I would use the C level pay savings by re-appointing only half these posts to : Get Schneier to head an office of Risk Assesment of no more than 50 analysts , drawn from existing agencies , reporting to the NSA so we would stop continually fighting the last war.Get a similar independant thinker to take over and run an Office of Counterterrorist Reference Data , Comprising No-Fly , Watch ... lists with the responsibility get them up-to-date and correct .
Web access to all via a web interface.Finally , let me point out that all this full-body scan/sniffers is bullshit since the next guy to try this will probably put the stuff up his ass , not in his unter hosen , so that unless you use an NMR machine you are not going to find it .
That is exactly why it is vital to listen to people like Schneier , who has been consistently correct , rather that sheeple pacifing politicians .
This is too serious for business as usual .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On one hand the US National Security aperatus has reverted to pre 9/11 games ie Not Sharing, usually justified to PROTECT SOURCES, in this case a walk in concerned father, and just after they released an incorrectly redacted PDF which contained all the original screening material, just covered in black, and now Napolitano is dithering in Circles.These idiotic assholes are very lucky I am not president because I would fire all the secretaries, directors, deputy and assistant directors of each of the Departments and Agencies involved in these repeated debacles, in this case CIA, DHS, TSA and anyone else found with dirty hands,Then I would use the C level pay savings by re-appointing only half these posts to:Get Schneier to head an office of Risk Assesment of no more than 50 analysts, drawn from existing agencies, reporting to the NSA so we would stop continually fighting the last war.Get a similar independant thinker to take over and run an Office of Counterterrorist Reference Data, Comprising No-Fly, Watch ... lists with the responsibility get them up-to-date and correct.
Web access to all via a web interface.Finally, let me point out that all this full-body scan/sniffers is bullshit since the next guy to try this will probably put the stuff up his ass, not in his unter hosen, so that unless you use an NMR machine you are not going to find it.
That is exactly why it is vital to listen to people like Schneier, who has been consistently correct, rather that sheeple pacifing politicians.
This is too serious for business as usual.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608226</id>
	<title>The bloggers are the Press</title>
	<author>WillAffleckUW</author>
	<datestamp>1262288400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The two bloggers are the press, and our Constitution, in fact the very fabric of our American society tells us that they should tell the TSA to take a long walk off a short pier.</p><p>If we wanted to live in Soviet Russia, we wouldn't be Americans!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The two bloggers are the press , and our Constitution , in fact the very fabric of our American society tells us that they should tell the TSA to take a long walk off a short pier.If we wanted to live in Soviet Russia , we would n't be Americans !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The two bloggers are the press, and our Constitution, in fact the very fabric of our American society tells us that they should tell the TSA to take a long walk off a short pier.If we wanted to live in Soviet Russia, we wouldn't be Americans!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30620810</id>
	<title>Re:Because obscurity...</title>
	<author>SilasMortimer</author>
	<datestamp>1230892200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The obvious solution is, after making sure there are no explosives on any would-be passenger, to take them into a room and shoot them to prevent anyone from finding out the procedure. This will obviously stop terrorism in its tracks. Safety first and foremost, right? The government had better damn well protect me, cause I'm scared.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The obvious solution is , after making sure there are no explosives on any would-be passenger , to take them into a room and shoot them to prevent anyone from finding out the procedure .
This will obviously stop terrorism in its tracks .
Safety first and foremost , right ?
The government had better damn well protect me , cause I 'm scared .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The obvious solution is, after making sure there are no explosives on any would-be passenger, to take them into a room and shoot them to prevent anyone from finding out the procedure.
This will obviously stop terrorism in its tracks.
Safety first and foremost, right?
The government had better damn well protect me, cause I'm scared.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607528</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30609560</id>
	<title>Re:Typical of the fools.</title>
	<author>JoeZeppy</author>
	<datestamp>1262252640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Somehow I don't think a talking head on TV making a joke is proof of someones qualification. Unless you're a Republican, then it's all the proof you need.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Somehow I do n't think a talking head on TV making a joke is proof of someones qualification .
Unless you 're a Republican , then it 's all the proof you need .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Somehow I don't think a talking head on TV making a joke is proof of someones qualification.
Unless you're a Republican, then it's all the proof you need.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607616</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608338</id>
	<title>Re:Because obscurity...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262289000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you tell anyone about the security procedures, you will never be allowed on another plane as long as you live...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you tell anyone about the security procedures , you will never be allowed on another plane as long as you live.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you tell anyone about the security procedures, you will never be allowed on another plane as long as you live...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607528</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30610978</id>
	<title>they won a long time ago</title>
	<author>luther349</author>
	<datestamp>1262262960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>most people think terrorist are abought killing people they are not look at are own history. all they did was take out 3 planes and 2 towers and look are economy got trashed people died yes. but the actions of 1 day are still are having a effect on the usa to this very day. flying is just not worth it unless you have to taking a train or bus is less of a pain unless of course they blow up one of them next. look at this recent failed attack that wasn't even a real tersest but just some nutjob who dedcided to play one and failed its messed up air travel more. it proves a attack like 911 will never happon again the passengers will put a stop to it right away. what shoulda been done was the towers got rebuilt with aa guns on them showing you will die before you get hear showing your attacks will not effect the usa in any way but it didnt happon that way. we did everything like they whanted us to do.</htmltext>
<tokenext>most people think terrorist are abought killing people they are not look at are own history .
all they did was take out 3 planes and 2 towers and look are economy got trashed people died yes .
but the actions of 1 day are still are having a effect on the usa to this very day .
flying is just not worth it unless you have to taking a train or bus is less of a pain unless of course they blow up one of them next .
look at this recent failed attack that was n't even a real tersest but just some nutjob who dedcided to play one and failed its messed up air travel more .
it proves a attack like 911 will never happon again the passengers will put a stop to it right away .
what shoulda been done was the towers got rebuilt with aa guns on them showing you will die before you get hear showing your attacks will not effect the usa in any way but it didnt happon that way .
we did everything like they whanted us to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>most people think terrorist are abought killing people they are not look at are own history.
all they did was take out 3 planes and 2 towers and look are economy got trashed people died yes.
but the actions of 1 day are still are having a effect on the usa to this very day.
flying is just not worth it unless you have to taking a train or bus is less of a pain unless of course they blow up one of them next.
look at this recent failed attack that wasn't even a real tersest but just some nutjob who dedcided to play one and failed its messed up air travel more.
it proves a attack like 911 will never happon again the passengers will put a stop to it right away.
what shoulda been done was the towers got rebuilt with aa guns on them showing you will die before you get hear showing your attacks will not effect the usa in any way but it didnt happon that way.
we did everything like they whanted us to do.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30620436</id>
	<title>Re:Because obscurity...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1230886860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because they could just require everyone to stay home and not be concerned with keeping that secret..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because they could just require everyone to stay home and not be concerned with keeping that secret. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because they could just require everyone to stay home and not be concerned with keeping that secret..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608182</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30609168</id>
	<title>Merry Fucking Christmas</title>
	<author>Evets</author>
	<datestamp>1262250300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Welcome to the police state.  Pretty soon, we'll have "pre-screened" passengers wearing armbands and we all know where it goes from there</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome to the police state .
Pretty soon , we 'll have " pre-screened " passengers wearing armbands and we all know where it goes from there</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome to the police state.
Pretty soon, we'll have "pre-screened" passengers wearing armbands and we all know where it goes from there</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608768</id>
	<title>Re:I still say...</title>
	<author>igaborf</author>
	<datestamp>1262291340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I fly very frequently and I am not afraid of terrorists. I'd be happy to walk through a metal detector set to pick up conventional guns, and run my luggage (laptop still in case) through an X-ray to look for obvious weapons. When terrorists down a US airline every month for a year we can talk again.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>

Not if you're on one of those twelve airliners.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I fly very frequently and I am not afraid of terrorists .
I 'd be happy to walk through a metal detector set to pick up conventional guns , and run my luggage ( laptop still in case ) through an X-ray to look for obvious weapons .
When terrorists down a US airline every month for a year we can talk again .
Not if you 're on one of those twelve airliners .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I fly very frequently and I am not afraid of terrorists.
I'd be happy to walk through a metal detector set to pick up conventional guns, and run my luggage (laptop still in case) through an X-ray to look for obvious weapons.
When terrorists down a US airline every month for a year we can talk again.
Not if you're on one of those twelve airliners.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607818</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30610208</id>
	<title>The TSA is really fast with new measures...</title>
	<author>Lazy Jones</author>
	<datestamp>1262256660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The incident happened around 11:20 am (EST) and they managed to send out a new security directive on the same day . One would have thought they'd take longer to draft something as elaborate as that. Who knows, perhaps they had it prepared already for such an incident...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The incident happened around 11 : 20 am ( EST ) and they managed to send out a new security directive on the same day .
One would have thought they 'd take longer to draft something as elaborate as that .
Who knows , perhaps they had it prepared already for such an incident.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The incident happened around 11:20 am (EST) and they managed to send out a new security directive on the same day .
One would have thought they'd take longer to draft something as elaborate as that.
Who knows, perhaps they had it prepared already for such an incident...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608968</id>
	<title>Re:And insightful post by an annonymous poster..</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1262292300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>+ 1 trillion insightful.</p><p>Unfortunately, we'll have to borrow the trillion to pay for the wars.  Sorry about that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 1 trillion insightful.Unfortunately , we 'll have to borrow the trillion to pay for the wars .
Sorry about that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+ 1 trillion insightful.Unfortunately, we'll have to borrow the trillion to pay for the wars.
Sorry about that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607640</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30611974</id>
	<title>Re:The terrorists aren't even trying hard.</title>
	<author>fm6</author>
	<datestamp>1262274540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most Al Qaeda people are losers, mentally challenged types who can't think through the issues you raised.  Even the plotters of the 9/11 attacks were bunglers;  they only succeeded because of bureaucratic ineptitude by the organizations that were supposed to be watching out for them.</p><p>And of course that ineptitude is still in place, as this latest episode shows. All we have to show for  our response in the last 8 years  is an unnecessary war and a lot of security theater.  When Obama started talking  about "systemic failure"  he was the first to approach the problem as a leader, as opposed to a politician.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most Al Qaeda people are losers , mentally challenged types who ca n't think through the issues you raised .
Even the plotters of the 9/11 attacks were bunglers ; they only succeeded because of bureaucratic ineptitude by the organizations that were supposed to be watching out for them.And of course that ineptitude is still in place , as this latest episode shows .
All we have to show for our response in the last 8 years is an unnecessary war and a lot of security theater .
When Obama started talking about " systemic failure " he was the first to approach the problem as a leader , as opposed to a politician .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most Al Qaeda people are losers, mentally challenged types who can't think through the issues you raised.
Even the plotters of the 9/11 attacks were bunglers;  they only succeeded because of bureaucratic ineptitude by the organizations that were supposed to be watching out for them.And of course that ineptitude is still in place, as this latest episode shows.
All we have to show for  our response in the last 8 years  is an unnecessary war and a lot of security theater.
When Obama started talking  about "systemic failure"  he was the first to approach the problem as a leader, as opposed to a politician.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607558</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608744</id>
	<title>Re:The terrorists aren't even trying hard.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262291220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think so.  If it did happen then all we need to do is set up a prescreening area before you get to the checkpoint.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think so .
If it did happen then all we need to do is set up a prescreening area before you get to the checkpoint .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think so.
If it did happen then all we need to do is set up a prescreening area before you get to the checkpoint.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607558</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30611950</id>
	<title>Re:Because obscurity...</title>
	<author>DriedClexler</author>
	<datestamp>1262274240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Reminds me of a joke:</p><p>A security expert and a businessman are traveling together, and they have to go through the screening at the airport.  But the security expert has a bottle with liquid and he's asked to discard it, as it violates the regulations.  He is outraged.</p><p>"What's the matter with this?  Look, it's just a plastic bottle of lemonade.  No harm potential here.  Look, I'll even drink it, see?  Just plain, harmless lemonade!"  and takes a big gulp.</p><p>After speaking with a supervisor, he finally convinces them to let him through with it.</p><p>As they're on their way to their gate, the businessman says, "you know, you really need to be aware of the new regulations on flying."</p><p>However, the security expert can barely contain his mirth and says, "No, no, you don't get it.  The joke's on <i>them</i>.  I just tricked them into letting me bring a bottle of my OWN urine on board!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reminds me of a joke : A security expert and a businessman are traveling together , and they have to go through the screening at the airport .
But the security expert has a bottle with liquid and he 's asked to discard it , as it violates the regulations .
He is outraged .
" What 's the matter with this ?
Look , it 's just a plastic bottle of lemonade .
No harm potential here .
Look , I 'll even drink it , see ?
Just plain , harmless lemonade !
" and takes a big gulp.After speaking with a supervisor , he finally convinces them to let him through with it.As they 're on their way to their gate , the businessman says , " you know , you really need to be aware of the new regulations on flying .
" However , the security expert can barely contain his mirth and says , " No , no , you do n't get it .
The joke 's on them .
I just tricked them into letting me bring a bottle of my OWN urine on board !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reminds me of a joke:A security expert and a businessman are traveling together, and they have to go through the screening at the airport.
But the security expert has a bottle with liquid and he's asked to discard it, as it violates the regulations.
He is outraged.
"What's the matter with this?
Look, it's just a plastic bottle of lemonade.
No harm potential here.
Look, I'll even drink it, see?
Just plain, harmless lemonade!
"  and takes a big gulp.After speaking with a supervisor, he finally convinces them to let him through with it.As they're on their way to their gate, the businessman says, "you know, you really need to be aware of the new regulations on flying.
"However, the security expert can barely contain his mirth and says, "No, no, you don't get it.
The joke's on them.
I just tricked them into letting me bring a bottle of my OWN urine on board!
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607470</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607818</id>
	<title>Re:I still say...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262286540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They won because we (Americans, Europeans) are stupid cowards. Your chances of being killed by terrorists in the US and Europe are vanishingly small. One estimate puts it at one in 10 million per year, about the same as being eaten by a shark and a thousand times less likely than being killed in a house fire.</p><p>(source was <a href="http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/05/07/13/the\_six\_most\_feared\_but\_least\_likely\_causes\_of\_death.htm" title="sixwise.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/05/07/13/the\_six\_most\_feared\_but\_least\_likely\_causes\_of\_death.htm</a> [sixwise.com], now independent verification)</p><p>Another statistic gives 22000 worldwide deaths / year from terrorism compared with 57 million from other causes.</p><p>What is the big deal? Why should I give up freedoms, privacy and time for this?</p><p>I fly very frequently and I am not afraid of terrorists. I'd be happy to walk through a metal detector set to pick up conventional guns, and run my luggage (laptop still in case) through an X-ray to look for obvious weapons. When terrorists down a US airline every month for a year we can talk again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They won because we ( Americans , Europeans ) are stupid cowards .
Your chances of being killed by terrorists in the US and Europe are vanishingly small .
One estimate puts it at one in 10 million per year , about the same as being eaten by a shark and a thousand times less likely than being killed in a house fire .
( source was http : //www.sixwise.com/newsletters/05/07/13/the \ _six \ _most \ _feared \ _but \ _least \ _likely \ _causes \ _of \ _death.htm [ sixwise.com ] , now independent verification ) Another statistic gives 22000 worldwide deaths / year from terrorism compared with 57 million from other causes.What is the big deal ?
Why should I give up freedoms , privacy and time for this ? I fly very frequently and I am not afraid of terrorists .
I 'd be happy to walk through a metal detector set to pick up conventional guns , and run my luggage ( laptop still in case ) through an X-ray to look for obvious weapons .
When terrorists down a US airline every month for a year we can talk again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They won because we (Americans, Europeans) are stupid cowards.
Your chances of being killed by terrorists in the US and Europe are vanishingly small.
One estimate puts it at one in 10 million per year, about the same as being eaten by a shark and a thousand times less likely than being killed in a house fire.
(source was http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/05/07/13/the\_six\_most\_feared\_but\_least\_likely\_causes\_of\_death.htm [sixwise.com], now independent verification)Another statistic gives 22000 worldwide deaths / year from terrorism compared with 57 million from other causes.What is the big deal?
Why should I give up freedoms, privacy and time for this?I fly very frequently and I am not afraid of terrorists.
I'd be happy to walk through a metal detector set to pick up conventional guns, and run my luggage (laptop still in case) through an X-ray to look for obvious weapons.
When terrorists down a US airline every month for a year we can talk again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608002</id>
	<title>No surprise there</title>
	<author>Jodka</author>
	<datestamp>1262287320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So the government announces a massive initiative to protect our rights from the terrorists and here we find it harassing online journalists for informing the public about what the government is secretly up to.  Not so different from the way it is charged by the Constitution "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries," and subsequently creates a legal morass which rewards patents trolls,  suppresses innovation with legal harrassment, and extorts campaign donations from perpetual copyright extension.  Then there is the initiative to lower health care costs and in improve the quality of care which will raise the costs of medical care and ration medical care.   Next up: "Net Neutrality".  What could possibly go wrong?</p><p>When will Americans wake up and recognize that no matter how noble are the stated goals of politicians that the actual outcomes usually oppose the stated goals?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So the government announces a massive initiative to protect our rights from the terrorists and here we find it harassing online journalists for informing the public about what the government is secretly up to .
Not so different from the way it is charged by the Constitution " To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts , by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries , " and subsequently creates a legal morass which rewards patents trolls , suppresses innovation with legal harrassment , and extorts campaign donations from perpetual copyright extension .
Then there is the initiative to lower health care costs and in improve the quality of care which will raise the costs of medical care and ration medical care .
Next up : " Net Neutrality " .
What could possibly go wrong ? When will Americans wake up and recognize that no matter how noble are the stated goals of politicians that the actual outcomes usually oppose the stated goals ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the government announces a massive initiative to protect our rights from the terrorists and here we find it harassing online journalists for informing the public about what the government is secretly up to.
Not so different from the way it is charged by the Constitution "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries," and subsequently creates a legal morass which rewards patents trolls,  suppresses innovation with legal harrassment, and extorts campaign donations from perpetual copyright extension.
Then there is the initiative to lower health care costs and in improve the quality of care which will raise the costs of medical care and ration medical care.
Next up: "Net Neutrality".
What could possibly go wrong?When will Americans wake up and recognize that no matter how noble are the stated goals of politicians that the actual outcomes usually oppose the stated goals?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30609194</id>
	<title>As it was written many many years ago...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262250360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.</p><p>This was a quote by Benjamin Franklin and later Thomas Jefferson. obviously it still applies today. I would presume they are both rolling in their graves at the new directives.</p><p>And as for obama, he came in at the wrong time. It will take many, many years to undo the last 8. Starting at the rank-and-file of a lot of theses agencies that have quickly grown accustom to stripping libertys in the percieved name of safety, and quickly moving up to their bosses to make things "right". Its amazing how other countries can combat this problem without stripping liberties while preserving safety (it's all relevant of course, you are still more likely to die in an automobile accident, most of which happen within 5 miles of home).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety , deserve neither liberty nor safety.This was a quote by Benjamin Franklin and later Thomas Jefferson .
obviously it still applies today .
I would presume they are both rolling in their graves at the new directives.And as for obama , he came in at the wrong time .
It will take many , many years to undo the last 8 .
Starting at the rank-and-file of a lot of theses agencies that have quickly grown accustom to stripping libertys in the percieved name of safety , and quickly moving up to their bosses to make things " right " .
Its amazing how other countries can combat this problem without stripping liberties while preserving safety ( it 's all relevant of course , you are still more likely to die in an automobile accident , most of which happen within 5 miles of home ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.This was a quote by Benjamin Franklin and later Thomas Jefferson.
obviously it still applies today.
I would presume they are both rolling in their graves at the new directives.And as for obama, he came in at the wrong time.
It will take many, many years to undo the last 8.
Starting at the rank-and-file of a lot of theses agencies that have quickly grown accustom to stripping libertys in the percieved name of safety, and quickly moving up to their bosses to make things "right".
Its amazing how other countries can combat this problem without stripping liberties while preserving safety (it's all relevant of course, you are still more likely to die in an automobile accident, most of which happen within 5 miles of home).
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608098</id>
	<title>Stanford Prison Experiment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262287800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does anyone else think that the TSA is exhibiting symptoms of: <a href="http://www.prisonexp.org/" title="prisonexp.org">The Stanford Prison Experiment</a> [prisonexp.org], wiki: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford\_prison\_experiment" title="wikipedia.org">here</a> [wikipedia.org].  Basically, when given power and the mandate to do something without proper checks and balances then stupidity or sadism emerges.  The Stanford Experiment had to be called off early because normal people when put into that framework extremely mistreated other normal people.  So, does the TSA need a good spanking and a bit of restructure?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone else think that the TSA is exhibiting symptoms of : The Stanford Prison Experiment [ prisonexp.org ] , wiki : here [ wikipedia.org ] .
Basically , when given power and the mandate to do something without proper checks and balances then stupidity or sadism emerges .
The Stanford Experiment had to be called off early because normal people when put into that framework extremely mistreated other normal people .
So , does the TSA need a good spanking and a bit of restructure ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone else think that the TSA is exhibiting symptoms of: The Stanford Prison Experiment [prisonexp.org], wiki: here [wikipedia.org].
Basically, when given power and the mandate to do something without proper checks and balances then stupidity or sadism emerges.
The Stanford Experiment had to be called off early because normal people when put into that framework extremely mistreated other normal people.
So, does the TSA need a good spanking and a bit of restructure?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30610196</id>
	<title>Re:I still say...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262256540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>work program for people who would otherwise be unemployed</p></div><p>work program for people who are otherwise unemployable.</p><p>There, fixed that for you.</p><p>Posting AC for the obvious reasons.  Don't need TSA pigs knocking on my door in the morning.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>work program for people who would otherwise be unemployedwork program for people who are otherwise unemployable.There , fixed that for you.Posting AC for the obvious reasons .
Do n't need TSA pigs knocking on my door in the morning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>work program for people who would otherwise be unemployedwork program for people who are otherwise unemployable.There, fixed that for you.Posting AC for the obvious reasons.
Don't need TSA pigs knocking on my door in the morning.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608044</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30612976</id>
	<title>Easy to thwart</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1230803940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>install webcams in airplane bathrooms. Use crowdsourcing to detect potentially dangerous activity, like <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/12/26/215247/Patrolling-the-US-Border-Via-Webcam" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">here</a> [slashdot.org].</p><p>Put a bounty on reporting timely.</p><p>(I'd prefer to be moderated "funny", although I fear that's not really funny).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>install webcams in airplane bathrooms .
Use crowdsourcing to detect potentially dangerous activity , like here [ slashdot.org ] .Put a bounty on reporting timely .
( I 'd prefer to be moderated " funny " , although I fear that 's not really funny ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>install webcams in airplane bathrooms.
Use crowdsourcing to detect potentially dangerous activity, like here [slashdot.org].Put a bounty on reporting timely.
(I'd prefer to be moderated "funny", although I fear that's not really funny).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608862</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30612742</id>
	<title>Re:The terrorists aren't even trying hard.</title>
	<author>blackpaw</author>
	<datestamp>1262288460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Better than that - why don't they launch some predator drones at a wedding party. That way they don't even get hurt themselves! what a monstrous and terrifying concept.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Better than that - why do n't they launch some predator drones at a wedding party .
That way they do n't even get hurt themselves !
what a monstrous and terrifying concept .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better than that - why don't they launch some predator drones at a wedding party.
That way they don't even get hurt themselves!
what a monstrous and terrifying concept.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607558</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608618</id>
	<title>Re:I still say...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1262290500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Aren&rsquo;t we on the level of 30,000+ dead people by now. I wonder what Bush/Cheney would do to a country that invades another country and kills that many people. And what they would call them...</p><p>Oh... wait...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Aren    t we on the level of 30,000 + dead people by now .
I wonder what Bush/Cheney would do to a country that invades another country and kills that many people .
And what they would call them...Oh... wait... : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aren’t we on the level of 30,000+ dead people by now.
I wonder what Bush/Cheney would do to a country that invades another country and kills that many people.
And what they would call them...Oh... wait... :(</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607636</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30610742</id>
	<title>Re:Because obscurity...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262260740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Totally off topic but can you perform a #2 without a #1? I always do a #3. I can do #1 without #2, but not vice versa.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Totally off topic but can you perform a # 2 without a # 1 ?
I always do a # 3 .
I can do # 1 without # 2 , but not vice versa .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Totally off topic but can you perform a #2 without a #1?
I always do a #3.
I can do #1 without #2, but not vice versa.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607470</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30615070</id>
	<title>The TSA IS a terrorist organization</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1230836520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In order for the goonsquads to maintain their fony-ballony government jobs, they MUST invent and engage in terrorists acts, and their targest are citizens of the US or other countries who travel my airlines, but mostly the citizens of the US.</p><p>The new "Security" requirements are instruments of terrorism.</p><p>The TSA subpoenas are (were) instruments of terrorism.</p><p>The Executive Office of the President of the United States of America supports and funds terrorism through the existance of the Department of Homaland Security, and specifically, the Transporation Security Agency and all the involved employees, appointed by the President, confirmed by Congress, and by contract.</p><p>"Welcome to the new world."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In order for the goonsquads to maintain their fony-ballony government jobs , they MUST invent and engage in terrorists acts , and their targest are citizens of the US or other countries who travel my airlines , but mostly the citizens of the US.The new " Security " requirements are instruments of terrorism.The TSA subpoenas are ( were ) instruments of terrorism.The Executive Office of the President of the United States of America supports and funds terrorism through the existance of the Department of Homaland Security , and specifically , the Transporation Security Agency and all the involved employees , appointed by the President , confirmed by Congress , and by contract .
" Welcome to the new world .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In order for the goonsquads to maintain their fony-ballony government jobs, they MUST invent and engage in terrorists acts, and their targest are citizens of the US or other countries who travel my airlines, but mostly the citizens of the US.The new "Security" requirements are instruments of terrorism.The TSA subpoenas are (were) instruments of terrorism.The Executive Office of the President of the United States of America supports and funds terrorism through the existance of the Department of Homaland Security, and specifically, the Transporation Security Agency and all the involved employees, appointed by the President, confirmed by Congress, and by contract.
"Welcome to the new world.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607348</id>
	<title>Because obscurity...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262284740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>... is the best security.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... is the best security .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... is the best security.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30609008</id>
	<title>Land of the Free...</title>
	<author>WCguru42</author>
	<datestamp>1262292540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Home of the Brave.  It's not my usual thing to spout off about people needing to leave the United States of America but gimme a break.  A large amount of the federal government practice fear tactics to try and convince the people that they need to give up their freedoms to be safe.  And the worst part is, most of these supposed secure measures don't do jack shit.  We as a nation need to realize that we'll never be completely safe, that there's no level of TSA gadget that will prevent every single act of violence.  We as a nation need to remember that we didn't become a nation by being scared pussies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Home of the Brave .
It 's not my usual thing to spout off about people needing to leave the United States of America but gim me a break .
A large amount of the federal government practice fear tactics to try and convince the people that they need to give up their freedoms to be safe .
And the worst part is , most of these supposed secure measures do n't do jack shit .
We as a nation need to realize that we 'll never be completely safe , that there 's no level of TSA gadget that will prevent every single act of violence .
We as a nation need to remember that we did n't become a nation by being scared pussies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Home of the Brave.
It's not my usual thing to spout off about people needing to leave the United States of America but gimme a break.
A large amount of the federal government practice fear tactics to try and convince the people that they need to give up their freedoms to be safe.
And the worst part is, most of these supposed secure measures don't do jack shit.
We as a nation need to realize that we'll never be completely safe, that there's no level of TSA gadget that will prevent every single act of violence.
We as a nation need to remember that we didn't become a nation by being scared pussies.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30609238</id>
	<title>It's not the qualifications, it's the job.</title>
	<author>khasim</author>
	<datestamp>1262250660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No one is qualified to handle the impossible task of 100\% safety/security on airlines.</p><p>Is that really the job, though? Aside from improving the flight deck door, there isn't anything that the DHS or TSA has done for safety or security.</p><p>But they have constantly reminded us of how scared we should be about the bad "terrorists" who are everywhere "out there". Just go to a major airport and listen to the constant litany of "watch your luggage" / "report suspicious people" / "stand in line and take off your shoes" / "liquids are dangerous".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No one is qualified to handle the impossible task of 100 \ % safety/security on airlines.Is that really the job , though ?
Aside from improving the flight deck door , there is n't anything that the DHS or TSA has done for safety or security.But they have constantly reminded us of how scared we should be about the bad " terrorists " who are everywhere " out there " .
Just go to a major airport and listen to the constant litany of " watch your luggage " / " report suspicious people " / " stand in line and take off your shoes " / " liquids are dangerous " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one is qualified to handle the impossible task of 100\% safety/security on airlines.Is that really the job, though?
Aside from improving the flight deck door, there isn't anything that the DHS or TSA has done for safety or security.But they have constantly reminded us of how scared we should be about the bad "terrorists" who are everywhere "out there".
Just go to a major airport and listen to the constant litany of "watch your luggage" / "report suspicious people" / "stand in line and take off your shoes" / "liquids are dangerous".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607616</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607558</id>
	<title>The terrorists aren't even trying hard.</title>
	<author>Alcoholist</author>
	<datestamp>1262285580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The terrorists aren't even trying that hard.</p><p>They're setting their sights too high. Stopping all air flight in the Western world is easy. You don't even need to get on the plane. Walk into an airport with a few pounds of explosives strapped on under your coat. Think of how many people tend to get queued up at those checkpoints.</p><p>When they stop you at the security checkpoint, go boom. It'll only have to happen a few times before air flight is completely stopped indefinitely.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The terrorists are n't even trying that hard.They 're setting their sights too high .
Stopping all air flight in the Western world is easy .
You do n't even need to get on the plane .
Walk into an airport with a few pounds of explosives strapped on under your coat .
Think of how many people tend to get queued up at those checkpoints.When they stop you at the security checkpoint , go boom .
It 'll only have to happen a few times before air flight is completely stopped indefinitely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The terrorists aren't even trying that hard.They're setting their sights too high.
Stopping all air flight in the Western world is easy.
You don't even need to get on the plane.
Walk into an airport with a few pounds of explosives strapped on under your coat.
Think of how many people tend to get queued up at those checkpoints.When they stop you at the security checkpoint, go boom.
It'll only have to happen a few times before air flight is completely stopped indefinitely.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30610122</id>
	<title>Re:Fuck George Bush!</title>
	<author>will\_die</author>
	<datestamp>1262256060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.ihatethemedia.com/this-is-whats-known-as-a-motivational-poster" title="ihatethemedia.com">http://www.ihatethemedia.com/this-is-whats-known-as-a-motivational-poster</a> [ihatethemedia.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.ihatethemedia.com/this-is-whats-known-as-a-motivational-poster [ ihatethemedia.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.ihatethemedia.com/this-is-whats-known-as-a-motivational-poster [ihatethemedia.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607372</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607816</id>
	<title>Forced?</title>
	<author>fahrbot-bot</author>
	<datestamp>1262286540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Frischling said he met with two TSA special agents for about three hours and was forced to hand over his laptop computer after the agents threatened to interfere with his contract to write a blog for KLM Royal Dutch Airlines if he didn't cooperate<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Hmm.... I think Steve and I have different definitions of the word "forced", but it sounds like standard Gestapo - I mean TSA - practices to me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Frischling said he met with two TSA special agents for about three hours and was forced to hand over his laptop computer after the agents threatened to interfere with his contract to write a blog for KLM Royal Dutch Airlines if he did n't cooperate .. . Hmm.... I think Steve and I have different definitions of the word " forced " , but it sounds like standard Gestapo - I mean TSA - practices to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Frischling said he met with two TSA special agents for about three hours and was forced to hand over his laptop computer after the agents threatened to interfere with his contract to write a blog for KLM Royal Dutch Airlines if he didn't cooperate ...

Hmm.... I think Steve and I have different definitions of the word "forced", but it sounds like standard Gestapo - I mean TSA - practices to me.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30612648</id>
	<title>Re:And insightful post by an annonymous poster..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262286360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Terrorism is the use or threat of use of violent to bring about a social, political, or economic change.</p></div><p>This practically sums up the standard foreign policy of the USA (and most of the Western countries, in fact) for the past half century, if not for its entire existence (e.g. the gunboat diplomacy to force the Chinese Qing Dynasty to import opium, i.e. drugs, from the west over a century ago).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Terrorism is the use or threat of use of violent to bring about a social , political , or economic change.This practically sums up the standard foreign policy of the USA ( and most of the Western countries , in fact ) for the past half century , if not for its entire existence ( e.g .
the gunboat diplomacy to force the Chinese Qing Dynasty to import opium , i.e .
drugs , from the west over a century ago ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Terrorism is the use or threat of use of violent to bring about a social, political, or economic change.This practically sums up the standard foreign policy of the USA (and most of the Western countries, in fact) for the past half century, if not for its entire existence (e.g.
the gunboat diplomacy to force the Chinese Qing Dynasty to import opium, i.e.
drugs, from the west over a century ago).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607640</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30610572</id>
	<title>Re:Because obscurity...</title>
	<author>Krishnoid</author>
	<datestamp>1262259240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hey, it <a href="http://www.schlockmercenary.com/d/20010701.html" title="schlockmercenary.com">could</a> [schlockmercenary.com] <a href="http://farscape.wikia.com/wiki/Thank\_God\_It's\_Friday...\_Again" title="wikia.com">happen</a> [wikia.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , it could [ schlockmercenary.com ] happen [ wikia.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, it could [schlockmercenary.com] happen [wikia.com].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607470</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608014</id>
	<title>This is how journalists protect their sources now?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262287380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Frischling... was forced to hand over his laptop computer after the agents <b>threatened to interfere with his contract to write a blog</b> for KLM Royal Dutch Airlines if he didn't cooperate."</p><p>Gee, I feel safe now. I mean, I'm sure any journalist will protect me as a source if I blow a whistle or leak a government document. Unless of course someone threatens them with something totally crazy, like cutting off their fingers or, I don't know, leaning on their blogging income. If these people want to be treated like professional journalists - and they generally do - they had better act like it when it comes to their sources.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Frischling... was forced to hand over his laptop computer after the agents threatened to interfere with his contract to write a blog for KLM Royal Dutch Airlines if he did n't cooperate .
" Gee , I feel safe now .
I mean , I 'm sure any journalist will protect me as a source if I blow a whistle or leak a government document .
Unless of course someone threatens them with something totally crazy , like cutting off their fingers or , I do n't know , leaning on their blogging income .
If these people want to be treated like professional journalists - and they generally do - they had better act like it when it comes to their sources .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Frischling... was forced to hand over his laptop computer after the agents threatened to interfere with his contract to write a blog for KLM Royal Dutch Airlines if he didn't cooperate.
"Gee, I feel safe now.
I mean, I'm sure any journalist will protect me as a source if I blow a whistle or leak a government document.
Unless of course someone threatens them with something totally crazy, like cutting off their fingers or, I don't know, leaning on their blogging income.
If these people want to be treated like professional journalists - and they generally do - they had better act like it when it comes to their sources.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608686</id>
	<title>Re:I still say...</title>
	<author>Knara</author>
	<datestamp>1262290920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Listen up here, buddy.  America has always been at war with Al-Quaeda .  History has not been changed.  You have always known this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Listen up here , buddy .
America has always been at war with Al-Quaeda .
History has not been changed .
You have always known this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Listen up here, buddy.
America has always been at war with Al-Quaeda .
History has not been changed.
You have always known this.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607636</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30610692</id>
	<title>Osama bin Laden must be laughing somewhere</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262260320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When Osama sees all the changes prompted by the September 11 attacks he must pumping his fist and saying "yeah!!" (in Arabic of course).</p><p>When he sees the economy in ruins after pouring a trillion dollars and the blood of several thousand soldiers into the Iraq and Afghan wars.... yeah!!<br>When he sees Americans spied on by telecoms and the US government....yeah!!!<br>When he sees mothers forced to drink breast milk to prove it is not a liquid explosive... yeah!!<br>When he sees a 3 year old boy on a kiddy leash frisked and wanded prior to boarding a plane (I saw this happen myself)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. yeah!!<br>When every passenger now needs to take their shoes off and have their groins padded down prior to boarding a plane... yeah!!<br>When a five year old kid can't hold his number two, 59 minutes prior to landing... Ewww.... yeah!!</p><p>When he sees journalists subpoenaed/detained in the name of national security.... yeah!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When Osama sees all the changes prompted by the September 11 attacks he must pumping his fist and saying " yeah ! !
" ( in Arabic of course ) .When he sees the economy in ruins after pouring a trillion dollars and the blood of several thousand soldiers into the Iraq and Afghan wars... .
yeah ! ! When he sees Americans spied on by telecoms and the US government....yeah ! !
! When he sees mothers forced to drink breast milk to prove it is not a liquid explosive.. .
yeah ! ! When he sees a 3 year old boy on a kiddy leash frisked and wanded prior to boarding a plane ( I saw this happen myself ) . .
yeah ! ! When every passenger now needs to take their shoes off and have their groins padded down prior to boarding a plane.. .
yeah ! ! When a five year old kid ca n't hold his number two , 59 minutes prior to landing... Ewww.... yeah !
! When he sees journalists subpoenaed/detained in the name of national security... .
yeah ! !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When Osama sees all the changes prompted by the September 11 attacks he must pumping his fist and saying "yeah!!
" (in Arabic of course).When he sees the economy in ruins after pouring a trillion dollars and the blood of several thousand soldiers into the Iraq and Afghan wars....
yeah!!When he sees Americans spied on by telecoms and the US government....yeah!!
!When he sees mothers forced to drink breast milk to prove it is not a liquid explosive...
yeah!!When he sees a 3 year old boy on a kiddy leash frisked and wanded prior to boarding a plane (I saw this happen myself) ..
yeah!!When every passenger now needs to take their shoes off and have their groins padded down prior to boarding a plane...
yeah!!When a five year old kid can't hold his number two, 59 minutes prior to landing... Ewww.... yeah!
!When he sees journalists subpoenaed/detained in the name of national security....
yeah!!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30612998</id>
	<title>Re:How about this approach?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1230804300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps that's what the second line of security (at the gate) is for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps that 's what the second line of security ( at the gate ) is for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps that's what the second line of security (at the gate) is for.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608862</id>
	<title>How about this approach?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262291880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Explosive goes into condoms which are then stored in your body cavities.</p><p>Show up for the flight very early.</p><p>During that time, recover the explosives and PREP THE BOMB BEFORE HAND IN THE PUBLIC BATHROOM. You've already cleared security. They don't care about you anymore (until the headlines hit).</p><p>So far, our best defense against terrorism seems to be that they're all rather dumb.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Explosive goes into condoms which are then stored in your body cavities.Show up for the flight very early.During that time , recover the explosives and PREP THE BOMB BEFORE HAND IN THE PUBLIC BATHROOM .
You 've already cleared security .
They do n't care about you anymore ( until the headlines hit ) .So far , our best defense against terrorism seems to be that they 're all rather dumb .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Explosive goes into condoms which are then stored in your body cavities.Show up for the flight very early.During that time, recover the explosives and PREP THE BOMB BEFORE HAND IN THE PUBLIC BATHROOM.
You've already cleared security.
They don't care about you anymore (until the headlines hit).So far, our best defense against terrorism seems to be that they're all rather dumb.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608974</id>
	<title>Re:I still say...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262292360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But according to a recent documentary:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa7ck5mcd1o" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa7ck5mcd1o</a> [youtube.com]</p><p>You can even be eaten by a shark while you are flying in an airplane!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But according to a recent documentary : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = Fa7ck5mcd1o [ youtube.com ] You can even be eaten by a shark while you are flying in an airplane !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But according to a recent documentary:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa7ck5mcd1o [youtube.com]You can even be eaten by a shark while you are flying in an airplane!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607818</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30607608</id>
	<title>Re:Because obscurity...</title>
	<author>kpainter</author>
	<datestamp>1262285820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The next phase in the TSA idiocracy will require passengers to perform a #1 (pee) and a #2 (poop), <i>with proof</i>, before boarding a flight to prevent potential liquids and solids of terror being brought on board.</p></div><p>This will dovetail nicely with the current policy.  This way, you won't <i>need</i> to go to the bathroom in the last hour of the flight.  Its a win-win!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The next phase in the TSA idiocracy will require passengers to perform a # 1 ( pee ) and a # 2 ( poop ) , with proof , before boarding a flight to prevent potential liquids and solids of terror being brought on board.This will dovetail nicely with the current policy .
This way , you wo n't need to go to the bathroom in the last hour of the flight .
Its a win-win !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The next phase in the TSA idiocracy will require passengers to perform a #1 (pee) and a #2 (poop), with proof, before boarding a flight to prevent potential liquids and solids of terror being brought on board.This will dovetail nicely with the current policy.
This way, you won't need to go to the bathroom in the last hour of the flight.
Its a win-win!
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_31_1417212.30608750</id>
	<title>Anyone seen these procedures actually performed?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262291280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, in that I am in the airline industry and can look around...</p><p>Has anyone actually seen these mandatory pat downs the SD requires? So far 10 flights have left that I've seen, and there were no further security checks than we're used to seeing. Just normal, business as usual. Sure, some flight rules have changed... or expanded, perhaps. Flights going into the DC area have already had restrictions prior to landing, although not in the last hour.</p><p>And yes, Napolitano is an idiot. I thought as much when she was appointed. A bigger problem is the TSA has NO appointed head yet. Like many other agencies where the administration hasn't gotten around to nominating, and/or the Senate hasn't gotten around to confirming. (some are one, some are the other, a few are both).</p><p>Proof that Napolitano is a moron? The TSA, and even the DHS, wasn't involved in this event. The flight left from Amsterdam, where Dutch security protocols and authorities conduct any and all screening. The visa he flew to the US under was granted by the State Department last year, prior to his "radicalization". He didn't leave a long tail of solid, identifiable evidence but did make it on a list of roughly half a million people that could maybe be involved in terrorism, but for which there is no proof positive. That list is maintained by the FBI. And intelligence on him as a specific person would largely fall to the CIA. He wanted to martyr himself, Al Queda needed an idiot to test a technique for detonating an IED, and they came together over a relatively short time period and with few connections.<br>The result turns out to be people in the US blaming the TSA, undermining any faith they may have (not a lot, mind you) in the agency despite their lack of involvement, the typical politically driven over-reaction to prove that "we're doing something!", people further scared to fly globally, and an understanding that maybe this kind of IED is not quite ready for attacks by amateurs. (Of course, when it comes to suicide bombers... they only get to do it once, so wouldn't that make them all amateurs? The experts don't strap bombs on themselves... they enable the patsies.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , in that I am in the airline industry and can look around...Has anyone actually seen these mandatory pat downs the SD requires ?
So far 10 flights have left that I 've seen , and there were no further security checks than we 're used to seeing .
Just normal , business as usual .
Sure , some flight rules have changed... or expanded , perhaps .
Flights going into the DC area have already had restrictions prior to landing , although not in the last hour.And yes , Napolitano is an idiot .
I thought as much when she was appointed .
A bigger problem is the TSA has NO appointed head yet .
Like many other agencies where the administration has n't gotten around to nominating , and/or the Senate has n't gotten around to confirming .
( some are one , some are the other , a few are both ) .Proof that Napolitano is a moron ?
The TSA , and even the DHS , was n't involved in this event .
The flight left from Amsterdam , where Dutch security protocols and authorities conduct any and all screening .
The visa he flew to the US under was granted by the State Department last year , prior to his " radicalization " .
He did n't leave a long tail of solid , identifiable evidence but did make it on a list of roughly half a million people that could maybe be involved in terrorism , but for which there is no proof positive .
That list is maintained by the FBI .
And intelligence on him as a specific person would largely fall to the CIA .
He wanted to martyr himself , Al Queda needed an idiot to test a technique for detonating an IED , and they came together over a relatively short time period and with few connections.The result turns out to be people in the US blaming the TSA , undermining any faith they may have ( not a lot , mind you ) in the agency despite their lack of involvement , the typical politically driven over-reaction to prove that " we 're doing something !
" , people further scared to fly globally , and an understanding that maybe this kind of IED is not quite ready for attacks by amateurs .
( Of course , when it comes to suicide bombers... they only get to do it once , so would n't that make them all amateurs ?
The experts do n't strap bombs on themselves... they enable the patsies .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, in that I am in the airline industry and can look around...Has anyone actually seen these mandatory pat downs the SD requires?
So far 10 flights have left that I've seen, and there were no further security checks than we're used to seeing.
Just normal, business as usual.
Sure, some flight rules have changed... or expanded, perhaps.
Flights going into the DC area have already had restrictions prior to landing, although not in the last hour.And yes, Napolitano is an idiot.
I thought as much when she was appointed.
A bigger problem is the TSA has NO appointed head yet.
Like many other agencies where the administration hasn't gotten around to nominating, and/or the Senate hasn't gotten around to confirming.
(some are one, some are the other, a few are both).Proof that Napolitano is a moron?
The TSA, and even the DHS, wasn't involved in this event.
The flight left from Amsterdam, where Dutch security protocols and authorities conduct any and all screening.
The visa he flew to the US under was granted by the State Department last year, prior to his "radicalization".
He didn't leave a long tail of solid, identifiable evidence but did make it on a list of roughly half a million people that could maybe be involved in terrorism, but for which there is no proof positive.
That list is maintained by the FBI.
And intelligence on him as a specific person would largely fall to the CIA.
He wanted to martyr himself, Al Queda needed an idiot to test a technique for detonating an IED, and they came together over a relatively short time period and with few connections.The result turns out to be people in the US blaming the TSA, undermining any faith they may have (not a lot, mind you) in the agency despite their lack of involvement, the typical politically driven over-reaction to prove that "we're doing something!
", people further scared to fly globally, and an understanding that maybe this kind of IED is not quite ready for attacks by amateurs.
(Of course, when it comes to suicide bombers... they only get to do it once, so wouldn't that make them all amateurs?
The experts don't strap bombs on themselves... they enable the patsies.
)</sentencetext>
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