<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_30_1911204</id>
	<title>IDEs With VIM Text Editing Capability?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1262201400000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"I am currently looking to move from text editing with vim to a full fledged IDE with gdb integration, integrated command line, etc. Extending VIM with these capabilities is a mortal sin, so I am looking for a linux based GUI IDE. I do not want to give up the efficient text editing capabilities of VIM though. How do I have my cake and eat it too?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " I am currently looking to move from text editing with vim to a full fledged IDE with gdb integration , integrated command line , etc .
Extending VIM with these capabilities is a mortal sin , so I am looking for a linux based GUI IDE .
I do not want to give up the efficient text editing capabilities of VIM though .
How do I have my cake and eat it too ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "I am currently looking to move from text editing with vim to a full fledged IDE with gdb integration, integrated command line, etc.
Extending VIM with these capabilities is a mortal sin, so I am looking for a linux based GUI IDE.
I do not want to give up the efficient text editing capabilities of VIM though.
How do I have my cake and eat it too?
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598418</id>
	<title>Eclipse plugins?</title>
	<author>HenryKoren</author>
	<datestamp>1259872800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what about GVIM?  (stupid answer)</p><p>Here are some VIM eclipse plugins:</p><p><a href="http://vimplugin.org/" title="vimplugin.org">http://vimplugin.org/</a> [vimplugin.org]<br><a href="http://eclim.org/" title="eclim.org">http://eclim.org/</a> [eclim.org]</p><p>Though I tend not to like these since the native plugins for whatever you might be developing inside eclipse tend to be more complete.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what about GVIM ?
( stupid answer ) Here are some VIM eclipse plugins : http : //vimplugin.org/ [ vimplugin.org ] http : //eclim.org/ [ eclim.org ] Though I tend not to like these since the native plugins for whatever you might be developing inside eclipse tend to be more complete .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what about GVIM?
(stupid answer)Here are some VIM eclipse plugins:http://vimplugin.org/ [vimplugin.org]http://eclim.org/ [eclim.org]Though I tend not to like these since the native plugins for whatever you might be developing inside eclipse tend to be more complete.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598746</id>
	<title>Switching TO Vim</title>
	<author>apharmdq</author>
	<datestamp>1259830980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm currently working on switching away from my IDE to vim.  There are plenty of plugins to put it on par with most IDEs, and honestly, a lot of the stuff in modern IDEs is just fluff.  As for loading down Vim with all the extra stuff, I don't have the plugins autoload, but rather load after I run a script to transition it to my own "IDE Mode."  This keeps Vim small and fast when I'm doing ordinary editing.  I'm still in the transition phase, so I may not have seen all the disadvantages yet, but as far as I can see, the advantages outweigh them.</p><p>I'm also aware that Emacs does it quite well, but I'm more of a Vim user, so I'll stick with that unless I run into a wall and have to use Emacs in Viper Mode instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm currently working on switching away from my IDE to vim .
There are plenty of plugins to put it on par with most IDEs , and honestly , a lot of the stuff in modern IDEs is just fluff .
As for loading down Vim with all the extra stuff , I do n't have the plugins autoload , but rather load after I run a script to transition it to my own " IDE Mode .
" This keeps Vim small and fast when I 'm doing ordinary editing .
I 'm still in the transition phase , so I may not have seen all the disadvantages yet , but as far as I can see , the advantages outweigh them.I 'm also aware that Emacs does it quite well , but I 'm more of a Vim user , so I 'll stick with that unless I run into a wall and have to use Emacs in Viper Mode instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm currently working on switching away from my IDE to vim.
There are plenty of plugins to put it on par with most IDEs, and honestly, a lot of the stuff in modern IDEs is just fluff.
As for loading down Vim with all the extra stuff, I don't have the plugins autoload, but rather load after I run a script to transition it to my own "IDE Mode.
"  This keeps Vim small and fast when I'm doing ordinary editing.
I'm still in the transition phase, so I may not have seen all the disadvantages yet, but as far as I can see, the advantages outweigh them.I'm also aware that Emacs does it quite well, but I'm more of a Vim user, so I'll stick with that unless I run into a wall and have to use Emacs in Viper Mode instead.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30599776</id>
	<title>Re:Netbeans ( or others )</title>
	<author>Thinboy00</author>
	<datestamp>1259836020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>viPlugin isn't free as in speech or free as in beer either.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>viPlugin is n't free as in speech or free as in beer either .
: (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>viPlugin isn't free as in speech or free as in beer either.
:(</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598246</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598590</id>
	<title>EMACS ..</title>
	<author>deego</author>
	<datestamp>1259873460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>EMACS with viper mode<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>EMACS with viper mode : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>EMACS with viper mode :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30610068</id>
	<title>Pida</title>
	<author>amjith</author>
	<datestamp>1262255580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pida lets you embed vim as your editor. So you get all the goodness of an IDE with Vim as your editor.

<a href="http://pida.co.uk/" title="pida.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://pida.co.uk/</a> [pida.co.uk]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pida lets you embed vim as your editor .
So you get all the goodness of an IDE with Vim as your editor .
http : //pida.co.uk/ [ pida.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pida lets you embed vim as your editor.
So you get all the goodness of an IDE with Vim as your editor.
http://pida.co.uk/ [pida.co.uk]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598858</id>
	<title>Either VIM or an IDE</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259831640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IMHO, vim is not ideal to use in any IDE. </p><p>Graphical IDEs like eclipse or netbeans are all about having nice clicki-like interfaces. That's the direct opposite of the vim interface, which is very flexible and heavily optimized for keyboard-only use.</p><p>At the moment, I <b>have</b> to use eclipse for work and for me as a vim user, I think it's a PITA. Even with all the nice features and key bindings it has, I tend to be a lot slower when using eclipse - it's kind of frustrating.</p><p>I tried the vim plugins for eclipse but then I realized that it was not what I expected it to be. If you use vim in an IDE, you loose many of the actual advantages of the IDE since its default editor is usually much better integrated. I'd be happy if there was a nice IDE which has vim as its default editor and integrates it well. But at the moment, I don't think there is one which could give you any benefit.</p><p>You're probably better off just using all the tools individually, each in an seperate xterm, along with a decent window manager (like i.e. fluxbox) which lets you define some useful key bindings.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IMHO , vim is not ideal to use in any IDE .
Graphical IDEs like eclipse or netbeans are all about having nice clicki-like interfaces .
That 's the direct opposite of the vim interface , which is very flexible and heavily optimized for keyboard-only use.At the moment , I have to use eclipse for work and for me as a vim user , I think it 's a PITA .
Even with all the nice features and key bindings it has , I tend to be a lot slower when using eclipse - it 's kind of frustrating.I tried the vim plugins for eclipse but then I realized that it was not what I expected it to be .
If you use vim in an IDE , you loose many of the actual advantages of the IDE since its default editor is usually much better integrated .
I 'd be happy if there was a nice IDE which has vim as its default editor and integrates it well .
But at the moment , I do n't think there is one which could give you any benefit.You 're probably better off just using all the tools individually , each in an seperate xterm , along with a decent window manager ( like i.e .
fluxbox ) which lets you define some useful key bindings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IMHO, vim is not ideal to use in any IDE.
Graphical IDEs like eclipse or netbeans are all about having nice clicki-like interfaces.
That's the direct opposite of the vim interface, which is very flexible and heavily optimized for keyboard-only use.At the moment, I have to use eclipse for work and for me as a vim user, I think it's a PITA.
Even with all the nice features and key bindings it has, I tend to be a lot slower when using eclipse - it's kind of frustrating.I tried the vim plugins for eclipse but then I realized that it was not what I expected it to be.
If you use vim in an IDE, you loose many of the actual advantages of the IDE since its default editor is usually much better integrated.
I'd be happy if there was a nice IDE which has vim as its default editor and integrates it well.
But at the moment, I don't think there is one which could give you any benefit.You're probably better off just using all the tools individually, each in an seperate xterm, along with a decent window manager (like i.e.
fluxbox) which lets you define some useful key bindings.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30599284</id>
	<title>Re:At the risk of starting a flame war</title>
	<author>Fujisawa Sensei</author>
	<datestamp>1259833500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Try Emacs.</p><p>Seriously. The integration with gdb, gcc, etc is where Emacs really shines. Yes, the Control-Meta-cokebottle commands are a bit annoying, but there's worthwhile tradeoffs there.</p><p>The first post was also quite useful. And to be fair, I like vim too.</p></div><p>Been there, done that, emacs, x-emacs, emacs with the GTK stuff.  Am sticking with vim. I've been using vim since 1992-1993, back on my Amiga.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try Emacs.Seriously .
The integration with gdb , gcc , etc is where Emacs really shines .
Yes , the Control-Meta-cokebottle commands are a bit annoying , but there 's worthwhile tradeoffs there.The first post was also quite useful .
And to be fair , I like vim too.Been there , done that , emacs , x-emacs , emacs with the GTK stuff .
Am sticking with vim .
I 've been using vim since 1992-1993 , back on my Amiga .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try Emacs.Seriously.
The integration with gdb, gcc, etc is where Emacs really shines.
Yes, the Control-Meta-cokebottle commands are a bit annoying, but there's worthwhile tradeoffs there.The first post was also quite useful.
And to be fair, I like vim too.Been there, done that, emacs, x-emacs, emacs with the GTK stuff.
Am sticking with vim.
I've been using vim since 1992-1993, back on my Amiga.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598510</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30653340</id>
	<title>Re:Netbeans ( or others )</title>
	<author>erikdalen</author>
	<datestamp>1231158060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Kdevelop 4 has vi editing mode (as does the other KDE text editors, KATE &amp; KWrite)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kdevelop 4 has vi editing mode ( as does the other KDE text editors , KATE &amp; KWrite )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kdevelop 4 has vi editing mode (as does the other KDE text editors, KATE &amp; KWrite)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598246</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30600092</id>
	<title>Re:Netbeans ( or others )</title>
	<author>poached</author>
	<datestamp>1259838000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>according to the wikia page for vim ole:</p><p>"Disclaimer: This is NOT a tip on how to get Vim to run inside of MS Visual Studio<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET. I have not yet found anyone who can make that work, so this is the next best thing. VisVim.dll seems to only work with VS6."</p><p>And that had been my experience as well - it is not possible to "embed" vim into the editor window like I had thought and wanted.  It is not possible at the moment.  The best I did was the create an external tools shortcut to vim and had a hot key assigned to it but I quickly found that to be more counter productive than helpful.</p><p>I also tried the Komodo editor the grandparent mentioned and the vim mode is a bastardized version of vim.  It is basically so stripped down that you only have the very basic like jklh working and i mode.  Really not worth the effort.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>according to the wikia page for vim ole : " Disclaimer : This is NOT a tip on how to get Vim to run inside of MS Visual Studio .NET .
I have not yet found anyone who can make that work , so this is the next best thing .
VisVim.dll seems to only work with VS6 .
" And that had been my experience as well - it is not possible to " embed " vim into the editor window like I had thought and wanted .
It is not possible at the moment .
The best I did was the create an external tools shortcut to vim and had a hot key assigned to it but I quickly found that to be more counter productive than helpful.I also tried the Komodo editor the grandparent mentioned and the vim mode is a bastardized version of vim .
It is basically so stripped down that you only have the very basic like jklh working and i mode .
Really not worth the effort .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>according to the wikia page for vim ole:"Disclaimer: This is NOT a tip on how to get Vim to run inside of MS Visual Studio .NET.
I have not yet found anyone who can make that work, so this is the next best thing.
VisVim.dll seems to only work with VS6.
"And that had been my experience as well - it is not possible to "embed" vim into the editor window like I had thought and wanted.
It is not possible at the moment.
The best I did was the create an external tools shortcut to vim and had a hot key assigned to it but I quickly found that to be more counter productive than helpful.I also tried the Komodo editor the grandparent mentioned and the vim mode is a bastardized version of vim.
It is basically so stripped down that you only have the very basic like jklh working and i mode.
Really not worth the effort.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598452</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30601932</id>
	<title>Re:Netbeans ( or others )</title>
	<author>awkay</author>
	<datestamp>1259851500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I use viPlugin for eclipse on a daily basis. It has the following pros/cons:<ul>
<li>
It is not an embedded copy of the real vim. Embedded versions of VIM do not benefit from IDE features (code sense, refactoring, completion, code warnings/errors updated on save, etc). On the whole, it supports most of the VIM command set that you use on a consistent basis. </li><li>
It costs money...not much, and I think it is worth it, but you do have to pony up a little cash
</li><li>
Some plugins do not play well with it. specifically, it doesn't work with the JBoss visual web page editor, and you have to turn it off/back on if you refactor a class in a way that results in the underlying file being renamed. These are both minor annoyances, since it works fine with the regular JSP editor, and you rarely use the refactoring op.
</li></ul><p>
I find it to be indispensible, and the benefits of all the eclipse tools and plugins is awesome....I particularly like Mylin, refactoring, the intelligent code completion, and the code warnings/errors as you type.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use viPlugin for eclipse on a daily basis .
It has the following pros/cons : It is not an embedded copy of the real vim .
Embedded versions of VIM do not benefit from IDE features ( code sense , refactoring , completion , code warnings/errors updated on save , etc ) .
On the whole , it supports most of the VIM command set that you use on a consistent basis .
It costs money...not much , and I think it is worth it , but you do have to pony up a little cash Some plugins do not play well with it .
specifically , it does n't work with the JBoss visual web page editor , and you have to turn it off/back on if you refactor a class in a way that results in the underlying file being renamed .
These are both minor annoyances , since it works fine with the regular JSP editor , and you rarely use the refactoring op .
I find it to be indispensible , and the benefits of all the eclipse tools and plugins is awesome....I particularly like Mylin , refactoring , the intelligent code completion , and the code warnings/errors as you type .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use viPlugin for eclipse on a daily basis.
It has the following pros/cons:

It is not an embedded copy of the real vim.
Embedded versions of VIM do not benefit from IDE features (code sense, refactoring, completion, code warnings/errors updated on save, etc).
On the whole, it supports most of the VIM command set that you use on a consistent basis.
It costs money...not much, and I think it is worth it, but you do have to pony up a little cash

Some plugins do not play well with it.
specifically, it doesn't work with the JBoss visual web page editor, and you have to turn it off/back on if you refactor a class in a way that results in the underlying file being renamed.
These are both minor annoyances, since it works fine with the regular JSP editor, and you rarely use the refactoring op.
I find it to be indispensible, and the benefits of all the eclipse tools and plugins is awesome....I particularly like Mylin, refactoring, the intelligent code completion, and the code warnings/errors as you type.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598246</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598672</id>
	<title>Expensive cake, but you can eat it</title>
	<author>assertation</author>
	<datestamp>1259873760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Buy a copy of Visual Slick Edit for Linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Buy a copy of Visual Slick Edit for Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Buy a copy of Visual Slick Edit for Linux.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30601240</id>
	<title>Re:At the risk of starting a flame war</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259845800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>are you pretending to be a reincarnation of the great Fujisawa Shuko?</htmltext>
<tokenext>are you pretending to be a reincarnation of the great Fujisawa Shuko ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>are you pretending to be a reincarnation of the great Fujisawa Shuko?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30599284</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30600980</id>
	<title>Read the title wrong...</title>
	<author>CupBeEmpty</author>
	<datestamp>1259843880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... I was kind of wondering why the hell terrorists needed VIM on an *IED*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... I was kind of wondering why the hell terrorists needed VIM on an * IED *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... I was kind of wondering why the hell terrorists needed VIM on an *IED*</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30599148</id>
	<title>vim addict searching ide drug upgrade</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259832840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>give anjuta[1] a try, last i peeked it could embed and use both vim and emacs as editing components</p><p>[1] <a href="http://projects.gnome.org/anjuta/index.shtml" title="gnome.org" rel="nofollow">http://projects.gnome.org/anjuta/index.shtml</a> [gnome.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>give anjuta [ 1 ] a try , last i peeked it could embed and use both vim and emacs as editing components [ 1 ] http : //projects.gnome.org/anjuta/index.shtml [ gnome.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>give anjuta[1] a try, last i peeked it could embed and use both vim and emacs as editing components[1] http://projects.gnome.org/anjuta/index.shtml [gnome.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30599918</id>
	<title>GNU Screen and vim is all you need</title>
	<author>patrikas</author>
	<datestamp>1259836860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Vim has so many IDE features (autocompletion, ctags, syntax), hundreds of plugins that let you customize your environment.. snippets, Doxygen, debugging, compiling.. I'll only suggest you one thing: better concentrate on improving your Vim environment than searching for any other tool that embeds it. Use Vim with GNU Screen after all, that'll give you true IDE experience.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Vim has so many IDE features ( autocompletion , ctags , syntax ) , hundreds of plugins that let you customize your environment.. snippets , Doxygen , debugging , compiling.. I 'll only suggest you one thing : better concentrate on improving your Vim environment than searching for any other tool that embeds it .
Use Vim with GNU Screen after all , that 'll give you true IDE experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vim has so many IDE features (autocompletion, ctags, syntax), hundreds of plugins that let you customize your environment.. snippets, Doxygen, debugging, compiling.. I'll only suggest you one thing: better concentrate on improving your Vim environment than searching for any other tool that embeds it.
Use Vim with GNU Screen after all, that'll give you true IDE experience.</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<title>uggboots</title>
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	<datestamp>1259859120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598392</id>
	<title>Re:Netbeans ( or others )</title>
	<author>Draek</author>
	<datestamp>1259872740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, Komodo Edit was open-sourced a while ago, only the Komodo IDE continues being closed-source (and commercial as well). However, one of the features missing from Edit is debugger integration so it probably won't satisfy the original poster's criteria.</p><p>Also, I'm pretty sure there are ways to use ViM as the editing component in VisualStudio as well, but I've never tried them so I don't know how they work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , Komodo Edit was open-sourced a while ago , only the Komodo IDE continues being closed-source ( and commercial as well ) .
However , one of the features missing from Edit is debugger integration so it probably wo n't satisfy the original poster 's criteria.Also , I 'm pretty sure there are ways to use ViM as the editing component in VisualStudio as well , but I 've never tried them so I do n't know how they work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, Komodo Edit was open-sourced a while ago, only the Komodo IDE continues being closed-source (and commercial as well).
However, one of the features missing from Edit is debugger integration so it probably won't satisfy the original poster's criteria.Also, I'm pretty sure there are ways to use ViM as the editing component in VisualStudio as well, but I've never tried them so I don't know how they work.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598246</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30603518</id>
	<title>Re:Extending Vim is a mortal sin? What?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262289900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Last time I checked, omnicomplete wasn't context aware. So, I would press the shortcut for the list of whatever &amp; everything would pop up rather than just what was possible in the current context like you'd get in eclipse or intellij.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last time I checked , omnicomplete was n't context aware .
So , I would press the shortcut for the list of whatever &amp; everything would pop up rather than just what was possible in the current context like you 'd get in eclipse or intellij .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last time I checked, omnicomplete wasn't context aware.
So, I would press the shortcut for the list of whatever &amp; everything would pop up rather than just what was possible in the current context like you'd get in eclipse or intellij.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598560</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30602328</id>
	<title>Re:At the risk of starting a flame war</title>
	<author>Domini</author>
	<datestamp>1259855700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interesting enough I knew Emacs (in the form of Micro Emacs) way back in 1987 on my Amiga, but after I understood what vi(vim) was about I've used that instead and never looked back.</p><p>So much faster to run and edit, and installed everywhere.</p><p>It does however suck at integrating a full development environment. Something Visual Studio and eclipse shines at (and even Emacs is know to handle better). Still when I have a lot of typing/editing to do and less debugging I'll use vim.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting enough I knew Emacs ( in the form of Micro Emacs ) way back in 1987 on my Amiga , but after I understood what vi ( vim ) was about I 've used that instead and never looked back.So much faster to run and edit , and installed everywhere.It does however suck at integrating a full development environment .
Something Visual Studio and eclipse shines at ( and even Emacs is know to handle better ) .
Still when I have a lot of typing/editing to do and less debugging I 'll use vim .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting enough I knew Emacs (in the form of Micro Emacs) way back in 1987 on my Amiga, but after I understood what vi(vim) was about I've used that instead and never looked back.So much faster to run and edit, and installed everywhere.It does however suck at integrating a full development environment.
Something Visual Studio and eclipse shines at (and even Emacs is know to handle better).
Still when I have a lot of typing/editing to do and less debugging I'll use vim.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30599284</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598458</id>
	<title>Vim has integration already</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259872920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Umm vim supports plugins, and there is of course a GDB one.</p><p>Also there is an integrated command line called<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:!<br>or if you want to get more fancy you can open multiple buffers and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:\%!whatever to replace it with output</p><p>Vim easily integrates with the shell.  You just have to know how to use both.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm vim supports plugins , and there is of course a GDB one.Also there is an integrated command line called : ! or if you want to get more fancy you can open multiple buffers and : \ % ! whatever to replace it with outputVim easily integrates with the shell .
You just have to know how to use both .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm vim supports plugins, and there is of course a GDB one.Also there is an integrated command line called :!or if you want to get more fancy you can open multiple buffers and :\%!whatever to replace it with outputVim easily integrates with the shell.
You just have to know how to use both.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598536</id>
	<title>Gvim</title>
	<author>theinvisibleguy</author>
	<datestamp>1259873220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Gvim is pretty good, it might still be too lean for what you are asking for, I would say it's more an intermediary step between vim and a big gui ide.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Gvim is pretty good , it might still be too lean for what you are asking for , I would say it 's more an intermediary step between vim and a big gui ide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gvim is pretty good, it might still be too lean for what you are asking for, I would say it's more an intermediary step between vim and a big gui ide.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30599030</id>
	<title>Re:Emacs!</title>
	<author>AlexLibman</author>
	<datestamp>1259832360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Emacs can't do one very important thing -- <a href="http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=19771" title="freestateproject.org" rel="nofollow">stop relying on government force</a> [freestateproject.org] -- the rest is irrelevant to me!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Emacs ca n't do one very important thing -- stop relying on government force [ freestateproject.org ] -- the rest is irrelevant to me !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Emacs can't do one very important thing -- stop relying on government force [freestateproject.org] -- the rest is irrelevant to me!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598320</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598336</id>
	<title>Why not extend vim?</title>
	<author>Paradigm\_Complex</author>
	<datestamp>1259872560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Could anyone explain the reason why simply extending vim is being ruled out?  Why is it considered a "mortal sin"?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could anyone explain the reason why simply extending vim is being ruled out ?
Why is it considered a " mortal sin " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could anyone explain the reason why simply extending vim is being ruled out?
Why is it considered a "mortal sin"?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598480</id>
	<title>Komodo IDE</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259873040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I haven't tested it thoroughly, so I don't know how much of the VI command set it implements, but Komodo IDE has a 'vi' mode, and I believe it would fulfill your other requirements as well. (As a plus, it's fully cross platform, so you can use it everywhere)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't tested it thoroughly , so I do n't know how much of the VI command set it implements , but Komodo IDE has a 'vi ' mode , and I believe it would fulfill your other requirements as well .
( As a plus , it 's fully cross platform , so you can use it everywhere )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't tested it thoroughly, so I don't know how much of the VI command set it implements, but Komodo IDE has a 'vi' mode, and I believe it would fulfill your other requirements as well.
(As a plus, it's fully cross platform, so you can use it everywhere)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30601472</id>
	<title>Re:Why not extend vim?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259847600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Especially in the "editor war" between Vim and Emacs, Vim is often considered to exemplify the Unix philosophy of "do one thing and do it well". For that reason, extending Vim with source code management features would be contrary to the spirit of the program.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Especially in the " editor war " between Vim and Emacs , Vim is often considered to exemplify the Unix philosophy of " do one thing and do it well " .
For that reason , extending Vim with source code management features would be contrary to the spirit of the program .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Especially in the "editor war" between Vim and Emacs, Vim is often considered to exemplify the Unix philosophy of "do one thing and do it well".
For that reason, extending Vim with source code management features would be contrary to the spirit of the program.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598336</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598584</id>
	<title>Re:Emacs!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259873400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you want tomake it more useful and include the editing capabilities of VIM and not just VI, install the vimpulse package, too.  I've been happily using Emacs as my IDE of choice ever since siwthcing to REPLy things like Lisp gave me the impetus to look into it, but I'd be completely lost without viper and vimpulse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want tomake it more useful and include the editing capabilities of VIM and not just VI , install the vimpulse package , too .
I 've been happily using Emacs as my IDE of choice ever since siwthcing to REPLy things like Lisp gave me the impetus to look into it , but I 'd be completely lost without viper and vimpulse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want tomake it more useful and include the editing capabilities of VIM and not just VI, install the vimpulse package, too.
I've been happily using Emacs as my IDE of choice ever since siwthcing to REPLy things like Lisp gave me the impetus to look into it, but I'd be completely lost without viper and vimpulse.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598320</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598512</id>
	<title>screen ftw?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259873160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about using screen? You can have a command line, gdb, vim, $foo... and it's resource friendly as well!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about using screen ?
You can have a command line , gdb , vim , $ foo... and it 's resource friendly as well !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about using screen?
You can have a command line, gdb, vim, $foo... and it's resource friendly as well!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30599466</id>
	<title>Project Pane</title>
	<author>rawg</author>
	<datestamp>1259834340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would be happy with just a project pane, like Textmate has, that doesn't look like ass.  I love VIM, but that's pretty much the only thing holding me back from dropping Textmate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would be happy with just a project pane , like Textmate has , that does n't look like ass .
I love VIM , but that 's pretty much the only thing holding me back from dropping Textmate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would be happy with just a project pane, like Textmate has, that doesn't look like ass.
I love VIM, but that's pretty much the only thing holding me back from dropping Textmate.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30599520</id>
	<title>Wing IDE</title>
	<author>SkelVA</author>
	<datestamp>1259834640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you're doing web work, primarily python, <a href="http://wingide.com/" title="wingide.com" rel="nofollow">Wing IDE</a> [wingide.com] has great VIM support. It supports custom vim configurations and all of the good stuff. It has a free version, but I threw down some cash (d to get a sweet integrated debugger and test-running capabilities. I found it superior to both Netbeans and pydev on Eclipse, but both of those also support VIM text editing (with plugins). Basically, pretty much every decent python editor I've tried has supported vim either natively or via plugins.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're doing web work , primarily python , Wing IDE [ wingide.com ] has great VIM support .
It supports custom vim configurations and all of the good stuff .
It has a free version , but I threw down some cash ( d to get a sweet integrated debugger and test-running capabilities .
I found it superior to both Netbeans and pydev on Eclipse , but both of those also support VIM text editing ( with plugins ) .
Basically , pretty much every decent python editor I 've tried has supported vim either natively or via plugins .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're doing web work, primarily python, Wing IDE [wingide.com] has great VIM support.
It supports custom vim configurations and all of the good stuff.
It has a free version, but I threw down some cash (d to get a sweet integrated debugger and test-running capabilities.
I found it superior to both Netbeans and pydev on Eclipse, but both of those also support VIM text editing (with plugins).
Basically, pretty much every decent python editor I've tried has supported vim either natively or via plugins.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30603870</id>
	<title>Vim (+ plugins) + cgdb</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262255280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use Vim (mostly gvim built with gtk2) with the following plugins:<br>- <a href="http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script\_id=42" title="vim.org" rel="nofollow">bufexplorer</a> [vim.org]: a quick way for changing buffers<br>- <a href="http://cscope.sourceforge.net/cscope\_maps.vim" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">cscope\_maps</a> [sourceforge.net]: full access to cscope, inside vim.<br>- <a href="http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script\_id=273" title="vim.org" rel="nofollow">taglist</a> [vim.org]: by using (ex)ctags it gives you a window with all the tags in the opened files, with the possibility to quickly jump to any tag you want</p><p>I also set shortcuts for building and cleaning projects (for instance F8 and F9), for checking errors (F3 to open build log, F4 and F5 to go to prev. and next error), for folding and for many other things.<br>The only thing that I haven't tried yet is to integrate vim with gdb (I think I saw some plugins for this), and only because I already use cgdb, which is extremely useful. Basically you have a gdb with the extra benefit of having a special window for code listing.<br>Also, I can use this combination over ssh, which is a big plus for me.</p><p>Another option would be to go for xemacs, which is at least as powerful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use Vim ( mostly gvim built with gtk2 ) with the following plugins : - bufexplorer [ vim.org ] : a quick way for changing buffers- cscope \ _maps [ sourceforge.net ] : full access to cscope , inside vim.- taglist [ vim.org ] : by using ( ex ) ctags it gives you a window with all the tags in the opened files , with the possibility to quickly jump to any tag you wantI also set shortcuts for building and cleaning projects ( for instance F8 and F9 ) , for checking errors ( F3 to open build log , F4 and F5 to go to prev .
and next error ) , for folding and for many other things.The only thing that I have n't tried yet is to integrate vim with gdb ( I think I saw some plugins for this ) , and only because I already use cgdb , which is extremely useful .
Basically you have a gdb with the extra benefit of having a special window for code listing.Also , I can use this combination over ssh , which is a big plus for me.Another option would be to go for xemacs , which is at least as powerful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use Vim (mostly gvim built with gtk2) with the following plugins:- bufexplorer [vim.org]: a quick way for changing buffers- cscope\_maps [sourceforge.net]: full access to cscope, inside vim.- taglist [vim.org]: by using (ex)ctags it gives you a window with all the tags in the opened files, with the possibility to quickly jump to any tag you wantI also set shortcuts for building and cleaning projects (for instance F8 and F9), for checking errors (F3 to open build log, F4 and F5 to go to prev.
and next error), for folding and for many other things.The only thing that I haven't tried yet is to integrate vim with gdb (I think I saw some plugins for this), and only because I already use cgdb, which is extremely useful.
Basically you have a gdb with the extra benefit of having a special window for code listing.Also, I can use this combination over ssh, which is a big plus for me.Another option would be to go for xemacs, which is at least as powerful.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30600348</id>
	<title>Eat one's cake and gave it too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259839800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could start by learning what your expression means. It does not mean 'to have something and then something extra' but 'to want two mutually incompatible things.' The correct form of the expression as used by non idiots is 'to eat one's cake and have it too.'</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could start by learning what your expression means .
It does not mean 'to have something and then something extra ' but 'to want two mutually incompatible things .
' The correct form of the expression as used by non idiots is 'to eat one 's cake and have it too .
'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could start by learning what your expression means.
It does not mean 'to have something and then something extra' but 'to want two mutually incompatible things.
' The correct form of the expression as used by non idiots is 'to eat one's cake and have it too.
'</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598900</id>
	<title>vimjuta</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259831820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There was a project to bring vim into anjuta. Though, I'm not sure if it was any successful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There was a project to bring vim into anjuta .
Though , I 'm not sure if it was any successful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was a project to bring vim into anjuta.
Though, I'm not sure if it was any successful.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30599122</id>
	<title>intellij has a nice vim plugin</title>
	<author>ndunn</author>
	<datestamp>1259832720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>intellij has a nice vim plugin that I have been using since 7.</p><p>Supports all of the modes, search / replace, etc.</p><p>The only thing I miss is the fancy window-editing, but that is more the fault of intellij than the plugin author.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>intellij has a nice vim plugin that I have been using since 7.Supports all of the modes , search / replace , etc.The only thing I miss is the fancy window-editing , but that is more the fault of intellij than the plugin author .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>intellij has a nice vim plugin that I have been using since 7.Supports all of the modes, search / replace, etc.The only thing I miss is the fancy window-editing, but that is more the fault of intellij than the plugin author.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30600914</id>
	<title>Real programmers...</title>
	<author>meuhlavache</author>
	<datestamp>1259843400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>... use butterflies !

<a href="http://xkcd.com/378/" title="xkcd.com" rel="nofollow">http://xkcd.com/378/</a> [xkcd.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>... use butterflies !
http : //xkcd.com/378/ [ xkcd.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... use butterflies !
http://xkcd.com/378/ [xkcd.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598510</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30602908</id>
	<title>Re:Extending Vim is a mortal sin? What?</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1259862180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ROFL!  If you think OmniComplete, even with ctags or cscope, is anywhere *near* as capable as the intelligent completion available in Eclipse, VisualStudio, or any other comparable IDE, you're either horribly ignorant, or lying to yourself.  And the idea that it's *better*?  That's beyond laughable.  And I say that as a diehard Vim user.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ROFL !
If you think OmniComplete , even with ctags or cscope , is anywhere * near * as capable as the intelligent completion available in Eclipse , VisualStudio , or any other comparable IDE , you 're either horribly ignorant , or lying to yourself .
And the idea that it 's * better * ?
That 's beyond laughable .
And I say that as a diehard Vim user .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ROFL!
If you think OmniComplete, even with ctags or cscope, is anywhere *near* as capable as the intelligent completion available in Eclipse, VisualStudio, or any other comparable IDE, you're either horribly ignorant, or lying to yourself.
And the idea that it's *better*?
That's beyond laughable.
And I say that as a diehard Vim user.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598560</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598330</id>
	<title>Qt Creator</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259872560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://qt.nokia.com/products/developer-tools" title="nokia.com">Qt Creator</a> [nokia.com] has Vim bindings. It's possible to create non Qt applications messing with settings on the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.pro file.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Qt Creator [ nokia.com ] has Vim bindings .
It 's possible to create non Qt applications messing with settings on the .pro file .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Qt Creator [nokia.com] has Vim bindings.
It's possible to create non Qt applications messing with settings on the .pro file.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598320</id>
	<title>Emacs!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259872500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ViperMode" title="emacswiki.org">Is there anything Emacs can't do</a> [emacswiki.org]?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there anything Emacs ca n't do [ emacswiki.org ] ?
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there anything Emacs can't do [emacswiki.org]?
:-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30601392</id>
	<title>Code::Blocks or Eclipse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259847060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use Code::Blocks but I've heard that Eclipse is also great for C++ and other languages, including Java.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use Code : : Blocks but I 've heard that Eclipse is also great for C + + and other languages , including Java .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use Code::Blocks but I've heard that Eclipse is also great for C++ and other languages, including Java.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598510</id>
	<title>At the risk of starting a flame war</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259873160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try Emacs.</p><p>Seriously. The integration with gdb, gcc, etc is where Emacs really shines. Yes, the Control-Meta-cokebottle commands are a bit annoying, but there's worthwhile tradeoffs there.</p><p>The first post was also quite useful. And to be fair, I like vim too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try Emacs.Seriously .
The integration with gdb , gcc , etc is where Emacs really shines .
Yes , the Control-Meta-cokebottle commands are a bit annoying , but there 's worthwhile tradeoffs there.The first post was also quite useful .
And to be fair , I like vim too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try Emacs.Seriously.
The integration with gdb, gcc, etc is where Emacs really shines.
Yes, the Control-Meta-cokebottle commands are a bit annoying, but there's worthwhile tradeoffs there.The first post was also quite useful.
And to be fair, I like vim too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30599936</id>
	<title>Re:old school command line IDE</title>
	<author>gdw2</author>
	<datestamp>1259836980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've found it easier to make vim a good IDE than to try to make an existing IDE more vim-like.

Vim has a great<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:make command which will compile your program and jump to any lines with errors.  It's great.  If you want to run the program after a build, just put that in the Makefile too, or create a "make run".</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've found it easier to make vim a good IDE than to try to make an existing IDE more vim-like .
Vim has a great : make command which will compile your program and jump to any lines with errors .
It 's great .
If you want to run the program after a build , just put that in the Makefile too , or create a " make run " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've found it easier to make vim a good IDE than to try to make an existing IDE more vim-like.
Vim has a great :make command which will compile your program and jump to any lines with errors.
It's great.
If you want to run the program after a build, just put that in the Makefile too, or create a "make run".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598716</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30603318</id>
	<title>jEdit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259867880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://jedit.org/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //jedit.org/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://jedit.org/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598622</id>
	<title>EMACS!</title>
	<author>PedroKiefer</author>
	<datestamp>1259873520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Use EMACS!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Use EMACS !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Use EMACS!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30603190</id>
	<title>Re:Why not extend vim?</title>
	<author>Maxmin</author>
	<datestamp>1259866020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Could anyone explain the reason why simply extending vim is being ruled out? Why is it considered a "mortal sin"?</p></div></blockquote><p>Extending vim is normal practice -- where'd you get the idea that it's a sin?</p><p>Check out some of the <a href="http://spf13.com/feature/vim-plugins" title="spf13.com">plugins for vim</a> [spf13.com].</p><p>That said, I've found vim plugins to be not unlike emacs extensions, in that when one fails, it's probably gonna be up to you to suss out why and patch it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could anyone explain the reason why simply extending vim is being ruled out ?
Why is it considered a " mortal sin " ? Extending vim is normal practice -- where 'd you get the idea that it 's a sin ? Check out some of the plugins for vim [ spf13.com ] .That said , I 've found vim plugins to be not unlike emacs extensions , in that when one fails , it 's probably gon na be up to you to suss out why and patch it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could anyone explain the reason why simply extending vim is being ruled out?
Why is it considered a "mortal sin"?Extending vim is normal practice -- where'd you get the idea that it's a sin?Check out some of the plugins for vim [spf13.com].That said, I've found vim plugins to be not unlike emacs extensions, in that when one fails, it's probably gonna be up to you to suss out why and patch it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598336</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30709776</id>
	<title>Amish</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1231496700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>VN is for Amish developers</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>VN is for Amish developers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>VN is for Amish developers</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30600024</id>
	<title>Not necessarily the silver bullet however...</title>
	<author>icepick72</author>
	<datestamp>1259837580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Edit your files with VIM as per usual. Also keep them open in your GUI IDE of choice. Most IDEs detect file changes and will either ask you to reload the files or you can sometimes set options to automatically reload. Now you have the best of both worlds on top of the same source code files - you have all the features of each solution. Also set up your GUI IDE to launch VIM on a source file using a keystroke.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Edit your files with VIM as per usual .
Also keep them open in your GUI IDE of choice .
Most IDEs detect file changes and will either ask you to reload the files or you can sometimes set options to automatically reload .
Now you have the best of both worlds on top of the same source code files - you have all the features of each solution .
Also set up your GUI IDE to launch VIM on a source file using a keystroke .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Edit your files with VIM as per usual.
Also keep them open in your GUI IDE of choice.
Most IDEs detect file changes and will either ask you to reload the files or you can sometimes set options to automatically reload.
Now you have the best of both worlds on top of the same source code files - you have all the features of each solution.
Also set up your GUI IDE to launch VIM on a source file using a keystroke.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598828</id>
	<title>Palo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259831340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Eclipse with VIM http://eclim.org/ . It can do what VIM is doing plus all what Eclipse can. Integrated debugger is just basics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Eclipse with VIM http : //eclim.org/ .
It can do what VIM is doing plus all what Eclipse can .
Integrated debugger is just basics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eclipse with VIM http://eclim.org/ .
It can do what VIM is doing plus all what Eclipse can.
Integrated debugger is just basics.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30602062</id>
	<title>geany ide</title>
	<author>innocent\_white\_lamb</author>
	<datestamp>1259852820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems to be little-known, but I discovered <a href="http://www.geany.org/" title="geany.org" rel="nofollow">geany</a> [geany.org] a few months ago and highly recommend it.  (I do most of my programming with C and ncurses, and it's just absolutely ideal for what I want it to do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems to be little-known , but I discovered geany [ geany.org ] a few months ago and highly recommend it .
( I do most of my programming with C and ncurses , and it 's just absolutely ideal for what I want it to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems to be little-known, but I discovered geany [geany.org] a few months ago and highly recommend it.
(I do most of my programming with C and ncurses, and it's just absolutely ideal for what I want it to do.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598376</id>
	<title>Re:Netbeans ( or others )</title>
	<author>stoolpigeon</author>
	<datestamp>1259872620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Re-reading that and realize that it says Komodo Edit is closed source.  That's not right, realized it after I hit submit.  Komodo Edit is FOSS.  Komodo IDE is closed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Re-reading that and realize that it says Komodo Edit is closed source .
That 's not right , realized it after I hit submit .
Komodo Edit is FOSS .
Komodo IDE is closed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Re-reading that and realize that it says Komodo Edit is closed source.
That's not right, realized it after I hit submit.
Komodo Edit is FOSS.
Komodo IDE is closed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598246</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30601316</id>
	<title>Open 3 xterms ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259846400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Open 4 xterms<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>1) vim - editor<br>2) make/build<br>3) gdb or xxgdb or whatever</p><p>Ok, I was wrong, you only need 3 xterms for this "fancy IDE" that many have used since the early '80s effectively.</p><p>Is this really that hard?</p><p>Friends don't let friends run java desktop applications. NOBODY has that kind of RAM to waste.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Open 4 xterms ...1 ) vim - editor2 ) make/build3 ) gdb or xxgdb or whateverOk , I was wrong , you only need 3 xterms for this " fancy IDE " that many have used since the early '80s effectively.Is this really that hard ? Friends do n't let friends run java desktop applications .
NOBODY has that kind of RAM to waste .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Open 4 xterms ...1) vim - editor2) make/build3) gdb or xxgdb or whateverOk, I was wrong, you only need 3 xterms for this "fancy IDE" that many have used since the early '80s effectively.Is this really that hard?Friends don't let friends run java desktop applications.
NOBODY has that kind of RAM to waste.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30667386</id>
	<title>Re: Komodo Edit is actually open source</title>
	<author>khanyisa</author>
	<datestamp>1231240620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Correction, Komodo Edit is open source - free as in speech - the full IDE contains proprietary extensions to it</htmltext>
<tokenext>Correction , Komodo Edit is open source - free as in speech - the full IDE contains proprietary extensions to it</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Correction, Komodo Edit is open source - free as in speech - the full IDE contains proprietary extensions to it</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598246</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30602770</id>
	<title>Re:screen ftw?</title>
	<author>geminidomino</author>
	<datestamp>1259860320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Gnu screen?  It's for neckbearded, suspender wearing, curmudgeonly *nix grognards who still think that X is a fad and that it will never take off.  They use screen to play nethack  over telnet with vi keybindings for movement, run compiles, chat on IRC using irssi, IM using finch with jabber protocol only, twitter using ttytter, and browse the net with lynx.</p><p>Non-neckbearded non-grognards would just use mrxvt tabs, because frankly, it has gnu screen beat on ease of use hand down.</p></div><p>And none of them would ever have to connect remotely to a competently-managed server (meaning no X).</p><p>Tool.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Gnu screen ?
It 's for neckbearded , suspender wearing , curmudgeonly * nix grognards who still think that X is a fad and that it will never take off .
They use screen to play nethack over telnet with vi keybindings for movement , run compiles , chat on IRC using irssi , IM using finch with jabber protocol only , twitter using ttytter , and browse the net with lynx.Non-neckbearded non-grognards would just use mrxvt tabs , because frankly , it has gnu screen beat on ease of use hand down.And none of them would ever have to connect remotely to a competently-managed server ( meaning no X ) .Tool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gnu screen?
It's for neckbearded, suspender wearing, curmudgeonly *nix grognards who still think that X is a fad and that it will never take off.
They use screen to play nethack  over telnet with vi keybindings for movement, run compiles, chat on IRC using irssi, IM using finch with jabber protocol only, twitter using ttytter, and browse the net with lynx.Non-neckbearded non-grognards would just use mrxvt tabs, because frankly, it has gnu screen beat on ease of use hand down.And none of them would ever have to connect remotely to a competently-managed server (meaning no X).Tool.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30600818</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30599784</id>
	<title>Re:Netbeans ( or others )</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259836080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is not informative to anyone who wants to use a recent version of Visual Studio (ie, anything since VS2003) because it does not work.  There is a lame workaround to open the file externally in vim and save it back.  You need to use <a href="http://www.viemu.com/" title="viemu.com" rel="nofollow">ViEmu</a> [viemu.com] if you want a vi mode in VS.  It is commercial software, but worth it.  If you are stuck on VS5 or 6, god help you; a vi mode is not going to save you.</p><p>
In any case, what the OP is looking for is actually just vim and the knowledge to use it to its full potential.  Extending vim is not a "mortal sin," it is very useful and done all the time.  There are plugins and examples for everything the OP wants to do, and if he likes vim he will probably like these better than clicky IDE.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not informative to anyone who wants to use a recent version of Visual Studio ( ie , anything since VS2003 ) because it does not work .
There is a lame workaround to open the file externally in vim and save it back .
You need to use ViEmu [ viemu.com ] if you want a vi mode in VS. It is commercial software , but worth it .
If you are stuck on VS5 or 6 , god help you ; a vi mode is not going to save you .
In any case , what the OP is looking for is actually just vim and the knowledge to use it to its full potential .
Extending vim is not a " mortal sin , " it is very useful and done all the time .
There are plugins and examples for everything the OP wants to do , and if he likes vim he will probably like these better than clicky IDE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not informative to anyone who wants to use a recent version of Visual Studio (ie, anything since VS2003) because it does not work.
There is a lame workaround to open the file externally in vim and save it back.
You need to use ViEmu [viemu.com] if you want a vi mode in VS.  It is commercial software, but worth it.
If you are stuck on VS5 or 6, god help you; a vi mode is not going to save you.
In any case, what the OP is looking for is actually just vim and the knowledge to use it to its full potential.
Extending vim is not a "mortal sin," it is very useful and done all the time.
There are plugins and examples for everything the OP wants to do, and if he likes vim he will probably like these better than clicky IDE.
</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598452</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30600322</id>
	<title>Re:Netbeans ( or others )</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1259839560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed, ViEmu makes Visual Studio *far* more pleasant to work with.  You get all the advantages VS provides (IntelliSense, in particular), plus a fairly complete Vim emulation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed , ViEmu makes Visual Studio * far * more pleasant to work with .
You get all the advantages VS provides ( IntelliSense , in particular ) , plus a fairly complete Vim emulation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed, ViEmu makes Visual Studio *far* more pleasant to work with.
You get all the advantages VS provides (IntelliSense, in particular), plus a fairly complete Vim emulation.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30599784</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30600618</id>
	<title>Don't need to use .pro files anymore</title>
	<author>Prien715</author>
	<datestamp>1259841420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least in 1.3, you can now use CMakefiles (which I use) or regular makefiles as well.  The only downside is that it IS made for C/C++.</p><p>That said, it is by far my favorite IDE...made the switch from a simple text editor a year ago and haven't looked back...and that's after trying Eclipse....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least in 1.3 , you can now use CMakefiles ( which I use ) or regular makefiles as well .
The only downside is that it IS made for C/C + + .That said , it is by far my favorite IDE...made the switch from a simple text editor a year ago and have n't looked back...and that 's after trying Eclipse... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least in 1.3, you can now use CMakefiles (which I use) or regular makefiles as well.
The only downside is that it IS made for C/C++.That said, it is by far my favorite IDE...made the switch from a simple text editor a year ago and haven't looked back...and that's after trying Eclipse....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598330</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30639898</id>
	<title>Re:Netbeans ( or others )</title>
	<author>tyroneking</author>
	<datestamp>1231079760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I pride myself on being a know-it-all but in this case I want to thank you sincerely; I have never heard of NetBeans before but after you mentioned it I tried it and it is now my favourite Python IDE. Thanks!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I pride myself on being a know-it-all but in this case I want to thank you sincerely ; I have never heard of NetBeans before but after you mentioned it I tried it and it is now my favourite Python IDE .
Thanks !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I pride myself on being a know-it-all but in this case I want to thank you sincerely; I have never heard of NetBeans before but after you mentioned it I tried it and it is now my favourite Python IDE.
Thanks!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598246</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598450</id>
	<title>Emacs</title>
	<author>negrace</author>
	<datestamp>1259872920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds like you are ready for Emacs, son.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like you are ready for Emacs , son .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like you are ready for Emacs, son.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598542</id>
	<title>Re:Why not extend vim?</title>
	<author>frank\_adrian314159</author>
	<datestamp>1259873280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because, if you allow vim to be extended, it may accidentally become an <a href="http://wordaligned.org/articles/accidental-emacs#toc0" title="wordaligned.org">operating system</a> [wordaligned.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because , if you allow vim to be extended , it may accidentally become an operating system [ wordaligned.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because, if you allow vim to be extended, it may accidentally become an operating system [wordaligned.org].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598336</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30599178</id>
	<title>Re:Qt Creator</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259832960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Qt Creator's Vim bindings are not complete yet. For example keystrokes like yiw or diw don't work. Recording macro's (which for me is Vim's killer feature) also doesn't work.

That aside it's a great piece of software. Actually, it is the only IDE that I find usable on Linux.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Qt Creator 's Vim bindings are not complete yet .
For example keystrokes like yiw or diw do n't work .
Recording macro 's ( which for me is Vim 's killer feature ) also does n't work .
That aside it 's a great piece of software .
Actually , it is the only IDE that I find usable on Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Qt Creator's Vim bindings are not complete yet.
For example keystrokes like yiw or diw don't work.
Recording macro's (which for me is Vim's killer feature) also doesn't work.
That aside it's a great piece of software.
Actually, it is the only IDE that I find usable on Linux.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598330</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30599560</id>
	<title>KDevelop</title>
	<author>tajmorton</author>
	<datestamp>1259834760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>KDevelop has a VIM mode for its text editor, I believe. Under Settings|Editor|Text Editor.
Or at least it used to, a long time ago. You might need to install it as a separate package, or your distro might not package it (silly thing).</htmltext>
<tokenext>KDevelop has a VIM mode for its text editor , I believe .
Under Settings | Editor | Text Editor .
Or at least it used to , a long time ago .
You might need to install it as a separate package , or your distro might not package it ( silly thing ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>KDevelop has a VIM mode for its text editor, I believe.
Under Settings|Editor|Text Editor.
Or at least it used to, a long time ago.
You might need to install it as a separate package, or your distro might not package it (silly thing).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30639888</id>
	<title>KDevelop</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1231079700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>KDevelop 4 hasn't yet been released, but the beta version has all you seem to need and looks pretty decent to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>KDevelop 4 has n't yet been released , but the beta version has all you seem to need and looks pretty decent to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>KDevelop 4 hasn't yet been released, but the beta version has all you seem to need and looks pretty decent to me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30599862</id>
	<title>Re:KILL THE HERETIC !!</title>
	<author>FeatherBoa</author>
	<datestamp>1259836500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know -- IDEs suck.  I just do everything directly from VI -- shell out to various tools, pipe output back into a VI buffer to look at it.  It really does all anyone could need.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know -- IDEs suck .
I just do everything directly from VI -- shell out to various tools , pipe output back into a VI buffer to look at it .
It really does all anyone could need .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know -- IDEs suck.
I just do everything directly from VI -- shell out to various tools, pipe output back into a VI buffer to look at it.
It really does all anyone could need.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30599726</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30602930</id>
	<title>Komodo is awesome</title>
	<author>kallisti5</author>
	<datestamp>1259862600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Komodo edit has a nice VIM emulation feature.. It is a little slow with huge text files but works great for editing source.  Too bad there's no Solaris version I can use at work though<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(

<a href="http://www.activestate.com/komodo\_edit/" title="activestate.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.activestate.com/komodo\_edit/</a> [activestate.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Komodo edit has a nice VIM emulation feature.. It is a little slow with huge text files but works great for editing source .
Too bad there 's no Solaris version I can use at work though : ( http : //www.activestate.com/komodo \ _edit/ [ activestate.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Komodo edit has a nice VIM emulation feature.. It is a little slow with huge text files but works great for editing source.
Too bad there's no Solaris version I can use at work though :(

http://www.activestate.com/komodo\_edit/ [activestate.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598996</id>
	<title>ed is the one true editor - use it instead!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259832180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From: patl@athena.mit.edu (Patrick J. LoPresti?)<br>
  Message-ID: <br>
  Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system)<br>
  Subject: The True Path (long)<br>
  Date: 11 Jul 91 03:17:31 GMT<br>
  Path: ai-lab!mintaka!olivea!samsung!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-picayune.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!patl<br>
  Newsgroups: alt.religion.emacs,alt.slack<br>
  Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology<br>
  Lines: 95<br>
  Xref: ai-lab alt.religion.emacs:244 alt.slack:1935</p><p>
  When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi<br>
  *and* Emacs are just too damn slow.  They print useless messages like,<br>
  'C-h for help' and '"foo" File is read only'.  So I use the editor<br>
  that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time.</p><p>
  Ed, man!  !man ed</p><p>
  ED(1)        UNIX Programmer's Manual        ED(1)</p><p>
  NAME<br>
    ed - text editor</p><p>
  SYNOPSIS<br>
    ed [ - ] [ -x ] [ name ]<br>
  DESCRIPTION<br>
    Ed is the standard text editor.<br>
  ---</p><p>
  Computer Scientists love ed, not just because it comes first<br>
  alphabetically, but because it's the standard.  Everyone else loves ed<br>
  because it's ED!</p><p>
  "Ed is the standard text editor."</p><p>
  And ed doesn't waste space on my Timex Sinclair.  Just look:</p><p>
  -rwxr-xr-x  1 root          24 Oct 29  1929<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/bin/ed<br>
  -rwxr-xr-t  4 root     1310720 Jan  1  1970<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/usr/ucb/vi<br>
  -rwxr-xr-x  1 root  5.89824e37 Oct 22  1990<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/usr/bin/emacs</p><p>
  Of course, on the system *I* administrate, vi is symlinked to ed.<br>
  Emacs has been replaced by a shell script which 1) Generates a syslog<br>
  message at level LOG\_EMERG; 2) reduces the user's disk quota by 100K;<br>
  and 3) RUNS ED!!!!!!</p><p>
  "Ed is the standard text editor."</p><p>
  Let's look at a typical novice's session with the mighty ed:</p><p>
  golem&gt; ed</p><p>
  ?<br>
  help<br>
  ?<br>
  ?<br>
  ?<br>
  quit<br>
  ?<br>
  exit<br>
  ?<br>
  bye<br>
  ?<br>
  hello?<br>
  ?<br>
  eat flaming death<br>
  ?<br>
  ^C<br>
  ?<br>
  ^C<br>
  ?<br>
  ^D<br>
  ?</p><p>
  ---<br>
  Note the consistent user interface and error reportage.  Ed is<br>
  generous enough to flag errors, yet prudent enough not to overwhelm<br>
  the novice with verbosity.</p><p>
  "Ed is the standard text editor."</p><p>
  Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all.</p><p>
  ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA!  ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED<br>
  AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES!  ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS<br>
  BODILY FLUIDS!!  ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR!  ED MAKES THE SUN<br>
  SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!</p><p>
  When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless<br>
  help screens and cursor positioning code!  I just want an EDitor!!<br>
  Not a "viitor".  Not a "emacsitor".  Those aren't even WORDS!!!! ED!<br>
  ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!</p><p>
  TEXT EDITOR.</p><p>
  When IBM, in its ever-present omnipotence, needed to base their<br>
  "edlin" on a UNIX standard, did they mimic vi?  No.  Emacs?  Surely<br>
  you jest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From : patl @ athena.mit.edu ( Patrick J .
LoPresti ? ) Message-ID : Sender : news @ athena.mit.edu ( News system ) Subject : The True Path ( long ) Date : 11 Jul 91 03 : 17 : 31 GMT Path : ai-lab ! mintaka ! olivea ! samsung ! zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu ! think.com ! snorkelwacker.mit.edu ! bloom-picayune.mit.edu ! athena.mit.edu ! patl Newsgroups : alt.religion.emacs,alt.slack Organization : Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines : 95 Xref : ai-lab alt.religion.emacs : 244 alt.slack : 1935 When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype , both vi * and * Emacs are just too damn slow .
They print useless messages like , 'C-h for help ' and ' " foo " File is read only' .
So I use the editor that does n't waste my VALUABLE time .
Ed , man !
! man ed ED ( 1 ) UNIX Programmer 's Manual ED ( 1 ) NAME ed - text editor SYNOPSIS ed [ - ] [ -x ] [ name ] DESCRIPTION Ed is the standard text editor .
--- Computer Scientists love ed , not just because it comes first alphabetically , but because it 's the standard .
Everyone else loves ed because it 's ED !
" Ed is the standard text editor .
" And ed does n't waste space on my Timex Sinclair .
Just look : -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 24 Oct 29 1929 /bin/ed -rwxr-xr-t 4 root 1310720 Jan 1 1970 /usr/ucb/vi -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 5.89824e37 Oct 22 1990 /usr/bin/emacs Of course , on the system * I * administrate , vi is symlinked to ed .
Emacs has been replaced by a shell script which 1 ) Generates a syslog message at level LOG \ _EMERG ; 2 ) reduces the user 's disk quota by 100K ; and 3 ) RUNS ED ! ! ! ! ! !
" Ed is the standard text editor .
" Let 's look at a typical novice 's session with the mighty ed : golem &gt; ed ?
help ?
? ?
quit ?
exit ?
bye ?
hello ? ?
eat flaming death ?
^ C ?
^ C ?
^ D ?
--- Note the consistent user interface and error reportage .
Ed is generous enough to flag errors , yet prudent enough not to overwhelm the novice with verbosity .
" Ed is the standard text editor .
" Ed , the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all .
ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA !
ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES !
ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS ! !
ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR !
ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN ! !
When I use an editor , I do n't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless help screens and cursor positioning code !
I just want an EDitor ! !
Not a " viitor " .
Not a " emacsitor " .
Those are n't even WORDS ! ! ! !
ED ! ED !
ED IS THE STANDARD ! ! !
TEXT EDITOR .
When IBM , in its ever-present omnipotence , needed to base their " edlin " on a UNIX standard , did they mimic vi ?
No. Emacs ?
Surely you jest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From: patl@athena.mit.edu (Patrick J.
LoPresti?)
  Message-ID: 
  Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system)
  Subject: The True Path (long)
  Date: 11 Jul 91 03:17:31 GMT
  Path: ai-lab!mintaka!olivea!samsung!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-picayune.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!patl
  Newsgroups: alt.religion.emacs,alt.slack
  Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
  Lines: 95
  Xref: ai-lab alt.religion.emacs:244 alt.slack:1935
  When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi
  *and* Emacs are just too damn slow.
They print useless messages like,
  'C-h for help' and '"foo" File is read only'.
So I use the editor
  that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time.
Ed, man!
!man ed
  ED(1)        UNIX Programmer's Manual        ED(1)
  NAME
    ed - text editor
  SYNOPSIS
    ed [ - ] [ -x ] [ name ]
  DESCRIPTION
    Ed is the standard text editor.
---
  Computer Scientists love ed, not just because it comes first
  alphabetically, but because it's the standard.
Everyone else loves ed
  because it's ED!
"Ed is the standard text editor.
"
  And ed doesn't waste space on my Timex Sinclair.
Just look:
  -rwxr-xr-x  1 root          24 Oct 29  1929 /bin/ed
  -rwxr-xr-t  4 root     1310720 Jan  1  1970 /usr/ucb/vi
  -rwxr-xr-x  1 root  5.89824e37 Oct 22  1990 /usr/bin/emacs
  Of course, on the system *I* administrate, vi is symlinked to ed.
Emacs has been replaced by a shell script which 1) Generates a syslog
  message at level LOG\_EMERG; 2) reduces the user's disk quota by 100K;
  and 3) RUNS ED!!!!!!
"Ed is the standard text editor.
"
  Let's look at a typical novice's session with the mighty ed:
  golem&gt; ed
  ?
help
  ?
?
  ?
quit
  ?
exit
  ?
bye
  ?
hello?
  ?
eat flaming death
  ?
^C
  ?
^C
  ?
^D
  ?
---
  Note the consistent user interface and error reportage.
Ed is
  generous enough to flag errors, yet prudent enough not to overwhelm
  the novice with verbosity.
"Ed is the standard text editor.
"
  Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all.
ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA!
ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED
  AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES!
ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS
  BODILY FLUIDS!!
ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR!
ED MAKES THE SUN
  SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!
When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless
  help screens and cursor positioning code!
I just want an EDitor!!
Not a "viitor".
Not a "emacsitor".
Those aren't even WORDS!!!!
ED!
  ED!
ED IS THE STANDARD!!!
TEXT EDITOR.
When IBM, in its ever-present omnipotence, needed to base their
  "edlin" on a UNIX standard, did they mimic vi?
No.  Emacs?
Surely
  you jest.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30649760</id>
	<title>re:  IDEs With VIM Text Editing Capability</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1231079820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would you want to run a text editor on an IDE hard drive, they are designed for throughput, not processing power. You should try a hex editor on SAS or if you don't have the $, SATA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would you want to run a text editor on an IDE hard drive , they are designed for throughput , not processing power .
You should try a hex editor on SAS or if you do n't have the $ , SATA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would you want to run a text editor on an IDE hard drive, they are designed for throughput, not processing power.
You should try a hex editor on SAS or if you don't have the $, SATA.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30599180</id>
	<title>pico!</title>
	<author>nomadic</author>
	<datestamp>1259832960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>pico!</htmltext>
<tokenext>pico !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>pico!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598726</id>
	<title>Re:Netbeans ( or others )</title>
	<author>BrianRoach</author>
	<datestamp>1259830980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>+1 for netbeans with the plug-ins you want.</p><p>For years I kept trying IDEs<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and hating them. It always seemed like they got in the way more than they helped.</p><p>I started using netbeans for some Java work I was doing when it was called the "Java One Studio" or something like that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... really liked it. Since then it's only gotten better and I pretty much use it for everything that isn't a 5 minute job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 1 for netbeans with the plug-ins you want.For years I kept trying IDEs ... and hating them .
It always seemed like they got in the way more than they helped.I started using netbeans for some Java work I was doing when it was called the " Java One Studio " or something like that ... really liked it .
Since then it 's only gotten better and I pretty much use it for everything that is n't a 5 minute job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+1 for netbeans with the plug-ins you want.For years I kept trying IDEs ... and hating them.
It always seemed like they got in the way more than they helped.I started using netbeans for some Java work I was doing when it was called the "Java One Studio" or something like that ... really liked it.
Since then it's only gotten better and I pretty much use it for everything that isn't a 5 minute job.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598246</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598560</id>
	<title>Extending Vim is a mortal sin? What?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259873340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A lot of people use stuff like MiniBufExplorer or Taglist or Vim 7's built in OmniComplete. Everything an IDE can do, Vim itself can do a lot better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of people use stuff like MiniBufExplorer or Taglist or Vim 7 's built in OmniComplete .
Everything an IDE can do , Vim itself can do a lot better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of people use stuff like MiniBufExplorer or Taglist or Vim 7's built in OmniComplete.
Everything an IDE can do, Vim itself can do a lot better.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598716</id>
	<title>old school command line IDE</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259830920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>when i get tired of typing i'll do a command line like</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; vi +100 program.c ; make;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>./program arg1 arg2 etc</p><p>and then use command history (up arrow+return) to repeat it</p><p>it ends up being as fast as an IDE and it's much more flexible.<br>most importantly to me it works inside an ssh or telnet session with any old unix box.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>when i get tired of typing i 'll do a command line like     vi + 100 program.c ; make ; ./program arg1 arg2 etcand then use command history ( up arrow + return ) to repeat itit ends up being as fast as an IDE and it 's much more flexible.most importantly to me it works inside an ssh or telnet session with any old unix box .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>when i get tired of typing i'll do a command line like
    vi +100 program.c ; make; ./program arg1 arg2 etcand then use command history (up arrow+return) to repeat itit ends up being as fast as an IDE and it's much more flexible.most importantly to me it works inside an ssh or telnet session with any old unix box.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598472</id>
	<title>ViEmu + Visual Studio</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259872980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Normally, I'm a vim+make guy, but I occasionally have to use Visual Studio.  The <a href="http://www.viemu.com/" title="viemu.com" rel="nofollow">ViEmu</a> [viemu.com] plugin was the best $99 I've ever spent on windows software.  Doesn't embed vim, but it does support all of the vim extensions I use on a regular basis.  It's actually pretty impressive how much of vi/vim they manage to implement - you quickly forget that you're not in the "real thing".</p><p>They also have plugins for Word,Outlook,etc but I don't use those programs so I haven't tried their plugins.</p><p>One minus: I don't think it works on the free version of VS (which I believe lacks plugin support in general) so this only applies if you have the full VS distro.</p><p>As a UNIX partisan, I can't recommend VS as your primary environment (so I guess I'm not answering the posters question, really) but if you're like me and just need a windows environment occasionally, I highly recommend checking it out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Normally , I 'm a vim + make guy , but I occasionally have to use Visual Studio .
The ViEmu [ viemu.com ] plugin was the best $ 99 I 've ever spent on windows software .
Does n't embed vim , but it does support all of the vim extensions I use on a regular basis .
It 's actually pretty impressive how much of vi/vim they manage to implement - you quickly forget that you 're not in the " real thing " .They also have plugins for Word,Outlook,etc but I do n't use those programs so I have n't tried their plugins.One minus : I do n't think it works on the free version of VS ( which I believe lacks plugin support in general ) so this only applies if you have the full VS distro.As a UNIX partisan , I ca n't recommend VS as your primary environment ( so I guess I 'm not answering the posters question , really ) but if you 're like me and just need a windows environment occasionally , I highly recommend checking it out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Normally, I'm a vim+make guy, but I occasionally have to use Visual Studio.
The ViEmu [viemu.com] plugin was the best $99 I've ever spent on windows software.
Doesn't embed vim, but it does support all of the vim extensions I use on a regular basis.
It's actually pretty impressive how much of vi/vim they manage to implement - you quickly forget that you're not in the "real thing".They also have plugins for Word,Outlook,etc but I don't use those programs so I haven't tried their plugins.One minus: I don't think it works on the free version of VS (which I believe lacks plugin support in general) so this only applies if you have the full VS distro.As a UNIX partisan, I can't recommend VS as your primary environment (so I guess I'm not answering the posters question, really) but if you're like me and just need a windows environment occasionally, I highly recommend checking it out.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598760</id>
	<title>Extend Vim</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259831040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mortal sin? First, get over your ridiculous predisposition against extending vim. Vim is built to be extended, and extending it can make it much more useful as a tool and not just an editor. If you're good enough in Vim to prefer it as a text editor, then make it comfortable as an environment. There are some amazing extensions for vim, that for me at least, make me much more productive than using an "IDE". Fuzzy file finder, exuberant ctags with taglist, minibufexplorer...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mortal sin ?
First , get over your ridiculous predisposition against extending vim .
Vim is built to be extended , and extending it can make it much more useful as a tool and not just an editor .
If you 're good enough in Vim to prefer it as a text editor , then make it comfortable as an environment .
There are some amazing extensions for vim , that for me at least , make me much more productive than using an " IDE " .
Fuzzy file finder , exuberant ctags with taglist , minibufexplorer.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mortal sin?
First, get over your ridiculous predisposition against extending vim.
Vim is built to be extended, and extending it can make it much more useful as a tool and not just an editor.
If you're good enough in Vim to prefer it as a text editor, then make it comfortable as an environment.
There are some amazing extensions for vim, that for me at least, make me much more productive than using an "IDE".
Fuzzy file finder, exuberant ctags with taglist, minibufexplorer...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30600626</id>
	<title>Re:Vim has integration already</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259841540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Umm vim supports plugins, and there is of course a GDB one.</p><p>Also there is an integrated command line called<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:!<br>or if you want to get more fancy you can open multiple buffers and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:\%!whatever to replace it with output</p><p>Vim easily integrates with the shell.  You just have to know how to use both.</p></div><p>Hmm doesn't seem to work. jdb says: Input Stream closed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm vim supports plugins , and there is of course a GDB one.Also there is an integrated command line called : ! or if you want to get more fancy you can open multiple buffers and : \ % ! whatever to replace it with outputVim easily integrates with the shell .
You just have to know how to use both.Hmm does n't seem to work .
jdb says : Input Stream closed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm vim supports plugins, and there is of course a GDB one.Also there is an integrated command line called :!or if you want to get more fancy you can open multiple buffers and :\%!whatever to replace it with outputVim easily integrates with the shell.
You just have to know how to use both.Hmm doesn't seem to work.
jdb says: Input Stream closed.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30610754</id>
	<title>cgdb</title>
	<author>sshock</author>
	<datestamp>1262260800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you just need debugging, try <a href="http://cgdb.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">cgdb</a> [sourceforge.net].  It's very lightweight.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you just need debugging , try cgdb [ sourceforge.net ] .
It 's very lightweight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you just need debugging, try cgdb [sourceforge.net].
It's very lightweight.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30599726</id>
	<title>KILL THE HERETIC !!</title>
	<author>wmbetts</author>
	<datestamp>1259835720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>KILL THE HERETIC !!</htmltext>
<tokenext>KILL THE HERETIC !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>KILL THE HERETIC !
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598462</id>
	<title>IDEs With VIM Text Editing Capability?</title>
	<author>omar.sahal</author>
	<datestamp>1259872920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Will <a href="http://pida.co.uk/" title="pida.co.uk">this</a> [pida.co.uk] do.<br>
I'm not entirely sure of not extending vim but "not wanting to give up the efficient text editing capabilities of VIM" could mean.<blockquote><div><p>PIDA is an IDE (integrated development environment). PIDA is different from other IDEs in that it will use the tools you already have available rather than attempting to reinvent each one. PIDA is written in Python with the PyGTK toolkit, and although is designed to be used to program in any language, PIDA has fancy Python IDE features.</p></div></blockquote><p> Its, a IDE and will allow you to use vim as well.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Will this [ pida.co.uk ] do .
I 'm not entirely sure of not extending vim but " not wanting to give up the efficient text editing capabilities of VIM " could mean.PIDA is an IDE ( integrated development environment ) .
PIDA is different from other IDEs in that it will use the tools you already have available rather than attempting to reinvent each one .
PIDA is written in Python with the PyGTK toolkit , and although is designed to be used to program in any language , PIDA has fancy Python IDE features .
Its , a IDE and will allow you to use vim as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will this [pida.co.uk] do.
I'm not entirely sure of not extending vim but "not wanting to give up the efficient text editing capabilities of VIM" could mean.PIDA is an IDE (integrated development environment).
PIDA is different from other IDEs in that it will use the tools you already have available rather than attempting to reinvent each one.
PIDA is written in Python with the PyGTK toolkit, and although is designed to be used to program in any language, PIDA has fancy Python IDE features.
Its, a IDE and will allow you to use vim as well.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30603922</id>
	<title>Re:Expensive cake, but you can eat it</title>
	<author>Griffon26</author>
	<datestamp>1262256960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its vim emulation is not complete and consequently pretty annoying.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its vim emulation is not complete and consequently pretty annoying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its vim emulation is not complete and consequently pretty annoying.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598452</id>
	<title>Re:Netbeans ( or others )</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259872920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And if you want to use Visual Studio then visit the main download page<br><a href="http://www.vim.org/download.php" title="vim.org">http://www.vim.org/download.php</a> [vim.org] and get:<br><a href="ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/pc/gvim72ole.zip" title="vim.org">ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/pc/gvim72ole.zip</a> [vim.org]<br>(OLE GUI executable, A GUI version with OLE support. This offers a few extra features, such as integration with Visual Developer Studio. But it uses quite a bit more memory.)</p><p>And you can safely disregard the more memory part, if you are already using visual studio<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p><p><a href="http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Integrate\_gvim\_with\_Visual\_Studio" title="wikia.com">http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Integrate\_gvim\_with\_Visual\_Studio</a> [wikia.com] for tips if you need help setting it up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And if you want to use Visual Studio then visit the main download pagehttp : //www.vim.org/download.php [ vim.org ] and get : ftp : //ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/pc/gvim72ole.zip [ vim.org ] ( OLE GUI executable , A GUI version with OLE support .
This offers a few extra features , such as integration with Visual Developer Studio .
But it uses quite a bit more memory .
) And you can safely disregard the more memory part , if you are already using visual studio : Dhttp : //vim.wikia.com/wiki/Integrate \ _gvim \ _with \ _Visual \ _Studio [ wikia.com ] for tips if you need help setting it up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And if you want to use Visual Studio then visit the main download pagehttp://www.vim.org/download.php [vim.org] and get:ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/pc/gvim72ole.zip [vim.org](OLE GUI executable, A GUI version with OLE support.
This offers a few extra features, such as integration with Visual Developer Studio.
But it uses quite a bit more memory.
)And you can safely disregard the more memory part, if you are already using visual studio :Dhttp://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Integrate\_gvim\_with\_Visual\_Studio [wikia.com] for tips if you need help setting it up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30600254</id>
	<title>well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259839080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm pretty sure emacs can do this!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty sure emacs can do this !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pretty sure emacs can do this!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598466</id>
	<title>First?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259872980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>very sick and its With process and become obsessed right now. I tried, series of internal during which I or a public club, it has to be fun play parties the work that you maggot, vomit, shit parts. The current slings are limited, what we've known bottoms butt. Wipe support GNAA, all along. *BSD [idge.net] Wash off hands market. Therefore BSD sux0rs. WhUat OF AMERICA) is the milestones, telling it has to be fun achieve any of the if you don't worthwhile. So I Asshole to others for the project. And promotes our Love of two is already aware, *BSD revel in our gay parts. The current recent Sys Admin WHICH DON'T USE THE 80s, DARPA saw BSD</htmltext>
<tokenext>very sick and its With process and become obsessed right now .
I tried , series of internal during which I or a public club , it has to be fun play parties the work that you maggot , vomit , shit parts .
The current slings are limited , what we 've known bottoms butt .
Wipe support GNAA , all along .
* BSD [ idge.net ] Wash off hands market .
Therefore BSD sux0rs .
WhUat OF AMERICA ) is the milestones , telling it has to be fun achieve any of the if you do n't worthwhile .
So I Asshole to others for the project .
And promotes our Love of two is already aware , * BSD revel in our gay parts .
The current recent Sys Admin WHICH DO N'T USE THE 80s , DARPA saw BSD</tokentext>
<sentencetext>very sick and its With process and become obsessed right now.
I tried, series of internal during which I or a public club, it has to be fun play parties the work that you maggot, vomit, shit parts.
The current slings are limited, what we've known bottoms butt.
Wipe support GNAA, all along.
*BSD [idge.net] Wash off hands market.
Therefore BSD sux0rs.
WhUat OF AMERICA) is the milestones, telling it has to be fun achieve any of the if you don't worthwhile.
So I Asshole to others for the project.
And promotes our Love of two is already aware, *BSD revel in our gay parts.
The current recent Sys Admin WHICH DON'T USE THE 80s, DARPA saw BSD</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598382</id>
	<title>KDevelop4</title>
	<author>DMiax</author>
	<datestamp>1259872680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know it's not out yet, but the katepart (the editor widget) already has a VI mode that supports most of the original commands and modal editing. Worth giving a try: the betas are getting better and better...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know it 's not out yet , but the katepart ( the editor widget ) already has a VI mode that supports most of the original commands and modal editing .
Worth giving a try : the betas are getting better and better.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know it's not out yet, but the katepart (the editor widget) already has a VI mode that supports most of the original commands and modal editing.
Worth giving a try: the betas are getting better and better...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598246</id>
	<title>Netbeans ( or others )</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259872260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://netbeans.org/" title="netbeans.org">Netbeans</a> [netbeans.org] with the <a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/viex/" title="sourceforge.net">Vi Vim for netbeans</a> [sourceforge.net] plugin.<br>
&nbsp; <br>Netbeans is FOSS, runs on Windows, Linux and OS X.  It handles Java, C/C++, PHP, Python, Ruby, Groovy and does a bunch of other stuff.<br>
&nbsp; <br>There is the <a href="http://www.viplugin.com/viplugin/" title="viplugin.com">viPlugin</a> [viplugin.com] for <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/" title="eclipse.org">Eclipse</a> [eclipse.org] as well - I just happen to like Netbeans better.<br>
&nbsp; <br>The ActiveState folks list VI key bindings as a <a href="http://www.activestate.com/komodo/features/" title="activestate.com">feature for their Komodo</a> [activestate.com] and Komodo Edit products.  These are closed source though Komodo Edit is free as in beer.  It is cross platform - covering the win/lin/mac world.<br>
&nbsp; <br>I'm sure there are other options but those are the largest projects I know of that do what you want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Netbeans [ netbeans.org ] with the Vi Vim for netbeans [ sourceforge.net ] plugin .
  Netbeans is FOSS , runs on Windows , Linux and OS X. It handles Java , C/C + + , PHP , Python , Ruby , Groovy and does a bunch of other stuff .
  There is the viPlugin [ viplugin.com ] for Eclipse [ eclipse.org ] as well - I just happen to like Netbeans better .
  The ActiveState folks list VI key bindings as a feature for their Komodo [ activestate.com ] and Komodo Edit products .
These are closed source though Komodo Edit is free as in beer .
It is cross platform - covering the win/lin/mac world .
  I 'm sure there are other options but those are the largest projects I know of that do what you want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Netbeans [netbeans.org] with the Vi Vim for netbeans [sourceforge.net] plugin.
  Netbeans is FOSS, runs on Windows, Linux and OS X.  It handles Java, C/C++, PHP, Python, Ruby, Groovy and does a bunch of other stuff.
  There is the viPlugin [viplugin.com] for Eclipse [eclipse.org] as well - I just happen to like Netbeans better.
  The ActiveState folks list VI key bindings as a feature for their Komodo [activestate.com] and Komodo Edit products.
These are closed source though Komodo Edit is free as in beer.
It is cross platform - covering the win/lin/mac world.
  I'm sure there are other options but those are the largest projects I know of that do what you want.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30600818</id>
	<title>Re:screen ftw?</title>
	<author>CronoCloud</author>
	<datestamp>1259842800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gnu screen?  It's for neckbearded, suspender wearing, curmudgeonly *nix grognards who still think that X is a fad and that it will never take off.  They use screen to play nethack  over telnet with vi keybindings for movement, run compiles, chat on IRC using irssi, IM using finch with jabber protocol only, twitter using ttytter, and browse the net with lynx.</p><p>Non-neckbearded non-grognards would just use mrxvt tabs, because frankly, it has gnu screen beat on ease of use hand down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gnu screen ?
It 's for neckbearded , suspender wearing , curmudgeonly * nix grognards who still think that X is a fad and that it will never take off .
They use screen to play nethack over telnet with vi keybindings for movement , run compiles , chat on IRC using irssi , IM using finch with jabber protocol only , twitter using ttytter , and browse the net with lynx.Non-neckbearded non-grognards would just use mrxvt tabs , because frankly , it has gnu screen beat on ease of use hand down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gnu screen?
It's for neckbearded, suspender wearing, curmudgeonly *nix grognards who still think that X is a fad and that it will never take off.
They use screen to play nethack  over telnet with vi keybindings for movement, run compiles, chat on IRC using irssi, IM using finch with jabber protocol only, twitter using ttytter, and browse the net with lynx.Non-neckbearded non-grognards would just use mrxvt tabs, because frankly, it has gnu screen beat on ease of use hand down.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30599472</id>
	<title>Re:Emacs!</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1259834400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Exactly, Emacs is the answer to everything.
<p>
That said, there does appear to be a VIM plugin for eclipse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly , Emacs is the answer to everything .
That said , there does appear to be a VIM plugin for eclipse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly, Emacs is the answer to everything.
That said, there does appear to be a VIM plugin for eclipse.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598872</id>
	<title>Blasphemy!</title>
	<author>Neuroelectronic</author>
	<datestamp>1259831700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Vim emulation for Microsoft Visual Studio:</p><p><a href="http://www.viemu.com/" title="viemu.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.viemu.com/</a> [viemu.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Vim emulation for Microsoft Visual Studio : http : //www.viemu.com/ [ viemu.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vim emulation for Microsoft Visual Studio:http://www.viemu.com/ [viemu.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30652852</id>
	<title>Re:Netbeans ( or others )</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1231151520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would very much recommand jvi (jvi.sf.net) since it tries to be a java port of the original vi code. This really makes it feel like you are working with vim within Netbeans.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would very much recommand jvi ( jvi.sf.net ) since it tries to be a java port of the original vi code .
This really makes it feel like you are working with vim within Netbeans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would very much recommand jvi (jvi.sf.net) since it tries to be a java port of the original vi code.
This really makes it feel like you are working with vim within Netbeans.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598246</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598326</id>
	<title>Duh...</title>
	<author>DoofusOfDeath</author>
	<datestamp>1259872500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think there's an app for that on the Emacs operating system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think there 's an app for that on the Emacs operating system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think there's an app for that on the Emacs operating system.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30599262</id>
	<title>Emacs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259833380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Vim is so 1995</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Vim is so 1995</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vim is so 1995</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30599006</id>
	<title>Use Vim Existing Plugins</title>
	<author>thePsychologist</author>
	<datestamp>1259832300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't have to extend VIM yourself. What's wrong with using plugins? There are many interfaces for debuggers and other things on the VIM website. Extending with plugins might just be easier.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't have to extend VIM yourself .
What 's wrong with using plugins ?
There are many interfaces for debuggers and other things on the VIM website .
Extending with plugins might just be easier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't have to extend VIM yourself.
What's wrong with using plugins?
There are many interfaces for debuggers and other things on the VIM website.
Extending with plugins might just be easier.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30599334</id>
	<title>Re:Netbeans ( or others )</title>
	<author>oren</author>
	<datestamp>1259833740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's also <a href="http://www.viemu.com/" title="viemu.com">http://www.viemu.com/</a> [viemu.com] (it costs $$$, but if you are forced to use VisualStudio...) and <a href="http://ideavim.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net">http://ideavim.sourceforge.net/</a> [sourceforge.net] (free plug-in for IntelliJ IDEA). And for people who use EMACS as their IDE, there's <a href="http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ViperMode" title="emacswiki.org">http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ViperMode</a> [emacswiki.org]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's also http : //www.viemu.com/ [ viemu.com ] ( it costs $ $ $ , but if you are forced to use VisualStudio... ) and http : //ideavim.sourceforge.net/ [ sourceforge.net ] ( free plug-in for IntelliJ IDEA ) .
And for people who use EMACS as their IDE , there 's http : //www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ViperMode [ emacswiki.org ] : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's also http://www.viemu.com/ [viemu.com] (it costs $$$, but if you are forced to use VisualStudio...) and http://ideavim.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net] (free plug-in for IntelliJ IDEA).
And for people who use EMACS as their IDE, there's http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ViperMode [emacswiki.org] :-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598246</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30601716</id>
	<title>Re:Emacs!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259849820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Viper isn't perfect. That said, Emacs is a framework for developing text mode based applications, so writing a full port of Vim to to Emacs is mostly possible. In addition, Xembed should let you use Vim in Emacs. Or more on topic, you should be able to use Vim in whatever IDE you choose using Xembed.</p><p>So the real question comes down to addressing the IDE developers. Can I use Vim(not keybindings or a clone or any other bullshit, but the actual Vim editor) as my editor in your IDE? If not, then why the fuck not?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Viper is n't perfect .
That said , Emacs is a framework for developing text mode based applications , so writing a full port of Vim to to Emacs is mostly possible .
In addition , Xembed should let you use Vim in Emacs .
Or more on topic , you should be able to use Vim in whatever IDE you choose using Xembed.So the real question comes down to addressing the IDE developers .
Can I use Vim ( not keybindings or a clone or any other bullshit , but the actual Vim editor ) as my editor in your IDE ?
If not , then why the fuck not ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Viper isn't perfect.
That said, Emacs is a framework for developing text mode based applications, so writing a full port of Vim to to Emacs is mostly possible.
In addition, Xembed should let you use Vim in Emacs.
Or more on topic, you should be able to use Vim in whatever IDE you choose using Xembed.So the real question comes down to addressing the IDE developers.
Can I use Vim(not keybindings or a clone or any other bullshit, but the actual Vim editor) as my editor in your IDE?
If not, then why the fuck not?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30598320</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_1911204.30603224</id>
	<title>Re:Why not extend vim?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259866740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Mortal sin" may not be a good description of the problem.  A better one is the second paragraph as <a href="http://eclim.org/" title="eclim.org" rel="nofollow">http://eclim.org/</a> [eclim.org]<blockquote><div><p>Eclim is less of an application and more of an integration of two great projects. The first, Vim, is arguably one of the best text editors in existence. The second, Eclipse, provides many great tools for development in various languages. Each provides many features that can increase developer productivity, but both still leave something to be desired. Vim lacks native Java support and many of the advanced features available in Eclipse. Eclipse, on the other hand, still requires the use of the mouse for many things, and when compared to Vim, provides a less than ideal interface for editing text.</p></div>
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<tokenext>" Mortal sin " may not be a good description of the problem .
A better one is the second paragraph as http : //eclim.org/ [ eclim.org ] Eclim is less of an application and more of an integration of two great projects .
The first , Vim , is arguably one of the best text editors in existence .
The second , Eclipse , provides many great tools for development in various languages .
Each provides many features that can increase developer productivity , but both still leave something to be desired .
Vim lacks native Java support and many of the advanced features available in Eclipse .
Eclipse , on the other hand , still requires the use of the mouse for many things , and when compared to Vim , provides a less than ideal interface for editing text .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Mortal sin" may not be a good description of the problem.
A better one is the second paragraph as http://eclim.org/ [eclim.org]Eclim is less of an application and more of an integration of two great projects.
The first, Vim, is arguably one of the best text editors in existence.
The second, Eclipse, provides many great tools for development in various languages.
Each provides many features that can increase developer productivity, but both still leave something to be desired.
Vim lacks native Java support and many of the advanced features available in Eclipse.
Eclipse, on the other hand, still requires the use of the mouse for many things, and when compared to Vim, provides a less than ideal interface for editing text.

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	<title>Vim as an External Editor</title>
	<author>penguin359</author>
	<datestamp>1259833080000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I use Vim with a large variety of small speciality IDEs and find that most IDEs properly detect changes made outside them and reload the file.  While I am running a debugger, I am not modifying code and use the built-in debugger interface.  When I need to make a change, I just hit Alt-Tab, modify the file and save, and hit Alt-Tab and the files reloaded in the IDE.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use Vim with a large variety of small speciality IDEs and find that most IDEs properly detect changes made outside them and reload the file .
While I am running a debugger , I am not modifying code and use the built-in debugger interface .
When I need to make a change , I just hit Alt-Tab , modify the file and save , and hit Alt-Tab and the files reloaded in the IDE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use Vim with a large variety of small speciality IDEs and find that most IDEs properly detect changes made outside them and reload the file.
While I am running a debugger, I am not modifying code and use the built-in debugger interface.
When I need to make a change, I just hit Alt-Tab, modify the file and save, and hit Alt-Tab and the files reloaded in the IDE.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Sin</title>
	<author>fm6</author>
	<datestamp>1259831220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Extending VIM with these capabilities is a mortal sin</p></div><p>Then the worst sinners are the vim maintainers themselves. Even with just the default config, vim is full of IDE features.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Extending VIM with these capabilities is a mortal sinThen the worst sinners are the vim maintainers themselves .
Even with just the default config , vim is full of IDE features .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Extending VIM with these capabilities is a mortal sinThen the worst sinners are the vim maintainers themselves.
Even with just the default config, vim is full of IDE features.
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	<title>Watcom IDE?</title>
	<author>kackle</author>
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	<htmltext>I am not a Linux guy, but I learned vi using Watcom C/C++ under Windows.  Now that that tool has gone open source, it seems there is a Linux version.  Will this work?<br> <br>
<a href="http://openwatcom.org/" title="openwatcom.org" rel="nofollow">http://openwatcom.org/</a> [openwatcom.org]
<br> <br>
If I'm off, my apologies...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not a Linux guy , but I learned vi using Watcom C/C + + under Windows .
Now that that tool has gone open source , it seems there is a Linux version .
Will this work ?
http : //openwatcom.org/ [ openwatcom.org ] If I 'm off , my apologies.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not a Linux guy, but I learned vi using Watcom C/C++ under Windows.
Now that that tool has gone open source, it seems there is a Linux version.
Will this work?
http://openwatcom.org/ [openwatcom.org]
 
If I'm off, my apologies...</sentencetext>
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