<article>
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	<title>MS Issues Word Patch To Comply With Court Order</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1262178120000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>bennyboy64 writes <i>"iTnews reports that Microsoft has begun offering what appears to be <a href="http://itnews.com.au/News/163608,microsoft-rolls-out-word-patch.aspx">a patch for its popular Word software</a>, allowing it to comply with <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/12/22/1936214/Microsoft-Ordered-To-Pay-290M-Stop-Selling-Word">a recent court ruling</a> which has banned the software giant from selling patent-infringing versions of the word processing product.  The workaround should put an end to a long-running dispute between Canadian i4i and Redmond, although it has hinted that the legal battle might yet take another turn."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>bennyboy64 writes " iTnews reports that Microsoft has begun offering what appears to be a patch for its popular Word software , allowing it to comply with a recent court ruling which has banned the software giant from selling patent-infringing versions of the word processing product .
The workaround should put an end to a long-running dispute between Canadian i4i and Redmond , although it has hinted that the legal battle might yet take another turn .
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<sentencetext>bennyboy64 writes "iTnews reports that Microsoft has begun offering what appears to be a patch for its popular Word software, allowing it to comply with a recent court ruling which has banned the software giant from selling patent-infringing versions of the word processing product.
The workaround should put an end to a long-running dispute between Canadian i4i and Redmond, although it has hinted that the legal battle might yet take another turn.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30590566</id>
	<title>finely detailed and rigidly laid out documents?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262107860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>...finely detailed and rigidly laid out documents...</p></div><p>You mean Corel WordPerfect Office yes?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...finely detailed and rigidly laid out documents...You mean Corel WordPerfect Office yes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...finely detailed and rigidly laid out documents...You mean Corel WordPerfect Office yes?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30603686</id>
	<title>Re:Ugh. If it worked, I'd use it.</title>
	<author>mrdtr</author>
	<datestamp>1262250120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know user experience is subjective, and it sounds to me that because you are accustomed to using Powerpoint, and you were expecting Impress to be an exact replica, your experience was worse than if you would have gone into the situation with the expectation that it's a different program and you need to learn a different way of doing something.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know user experience is subjective , and it sounds to me that because you are accustomed to using Powerpoint , and you were expecting Impress to be an exact replica , your experience was worse than if you would have gone into the situation with the expectation that it 's a different program and you need to learn a different way of doing something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know user experience is subjective, and it sounds to me that because you are accustomed to using Powerpoint, and you were expecting Impress to be an exact replica, your experience was worse than if you would have gone into the situation with the expectation that it's a different program and you need to learn a different way of doing something.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30591140</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>JakartaDean</author>
	<datestamp>1262116740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Of course what you say is generally true, but my personal experience has been different.  I now regularly use open office (linux) at home to edit documents prepared on MS Office under windows from work.  I have <b>no</b> problems any more with translation.<p>
The number one problem I used to have was in style codes with built-in numbers, which is a very useful thing for the documents I write.  They used to get f*cked from time to time, with the font of the number ending up different from the rest of the line.  Then, one day, I had the same problem with a document that had never seen OO.  The problem seems to be an inconsistency in MS Word over how it stores style codes internally.</p><p>
Now, I just leave the number out of the codes til the end, and no problems converting anything.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course what you say is generally true , but my personal experience has been different .
I now regularly use open office ( linux ) at home to edit documents prepared on MS Office under windows from work .
I have no problems any more with translation .
The number one problem I used to have was in style codes with built-in numbers , which is a very useful thing for the documents I write .
They used to get f * cked from time to time , with the font of the number ending up different from the rest of the line .
Then , one day , I had the same problem with a document that had never seen OO .
The problem seems to be an inconsistency in MS Word over how it stores style codes internally .
Now , I just leave the number out of the codes til the end , and no problems converting anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course what you say is generally true, but my personal experience has been different.
I now regularly use open office (linux) at home to edit documents prepared on MS Office under windows from work.
I have no problems any more with translation.
The number one problem I used to have was in style codes with built-in numbers, which is a very useful thing for the documents I write.
They used to get f*cked from time to time, with the font of the number ending up different from the rest of the line.
Then, one day, I had the same problem with a document that had never seen OO.
The problem seems to be an inconsistency in MS Word over how it stores style codes internally.
Now, I just leave the number out of the codes til the end, and no problems converting anything.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30589378</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>samurphy21</author>
	<datestamp>1262095980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's utopian thinking.  For home use, I more or less agree with you.  Business users have a lot of finely detailed and rigidly laid out documents, sometimes with proprietary macro or VBA coding in them.  This stuff would be a huge pain to translate to an open standard, and there's no guarantee that OOo will display them faithfully and with fidelity.</p><p>Plus, with a MS Office contract, you have a software vendor to fall back to when things go wrong.  You don't get this to the same extent with OSS, which is why business is often slow to adopt it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's utopian thinking .
For home use , I more or less agree with you .
Business users have a lot of finely detailed and rigidly laid out documents , sometimes with proprietary macro or VBA coding in them .
This stuff would be a huge pain to translate to an open standard , and there 's no guarantee that OOo will display them faithfully and with fidelity.Plus , with a MS Office contract , you have a software vendor to fall back to when things go wrong .
You do n't get this to the same extent with OSS , which is why business is often slow to adopt it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's utopian thinking.
For home use, I more or less agree with you.
Business users have a lot of finely detailed and rigidly laid out documents, sometimes with proprietary macro or VBA coding in them.
This stuff would be a huge pain to translate to an open standard, and there's no guarantee that OOo will display them faithfully and with fidelity.Plus, with a MS Office contract, you have a software vendor to fall back to when things go wrong.
You don't get this to the same extent with OSS, which is why business is often slow to adopt it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30591312</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>Peter Nikolic</author>
	<datestamp>1259830860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What the hell kind of bullshit is that?  Oh, we have someone to choke, we can blah blah blah.  What is that, some kind of joke?  Really, are you a village idiot or something?  I've seen that piece of crap spewed so many times and still I see morons spewing it "oh, I have a contract blah blah, you know, for restitution'.  NO ONE CAN GET IT FROM THEM!  What world are you living in?  SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS IS WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY, NOT EVEN THE WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY!!!  Its been in their license boiler plate for years!  Someone to CHOKE????  Thats just a JOKE!!!</p></div><p>And this piece of detritus gets an Informative tag say what! someone is pulling their plonker a lot too much</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What the hell kind of bullshit is that ?
Oh , we have someone to choke , we can blah blah blah .
What is that , some kind of joke ?
Really , are you a village idiot or something ?
I 've seen that piece of crap spewed so many times and still I see morons spewing it " oh , I have a contract blah blah , you know , for restitution' .
NO ONE CAN GET IT FROM THEM !
What world are you living in ?
SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS IS WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY , NOT EVEN THE WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY ! ! !
Its been in their license boiler plate for years !
Someone to CHOKE ? ? ? ?
Thats just a JOKE ! !
! And this piece of detritus gets an Informative tag say what !
someone is pulling their plonker a lot too much</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the hell kind of bullshit is that?
Oh, we have someone to choke, we can blah blah blah.
What is that, some kind of joke?
Really, are you a village idiot or something?
I've seen that piece of crap spewed so many times and still I see morons spewing it "oh, I have a contract blah blah, you know, for restitution'.
NO ONE CAN GET IT FROM THEM!
What world are you living in?
SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS IS WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY, NOT EVEN THE WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY!!!
Its been in their license boiler plate for years!
Someone to CHOKE????
Thats just a JOKE!!
!And this piece of detritus gets an Informative tag say what!
someone is pulling their plonker a lot too much
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30589380</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262095980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Simple: some people are extremely risk-avoidant, and they'll pay money even when something else that does pretty much the same thing is free.</p><p>I have tried many times to encourage an acquaintance who runs a small business to switch from MS Office to OpenOffice.org so she could save money on upgrades.  Her response is typically: 'I have to be sure that my documents are compatible with other MS Office users.  Can you absolutely, positively guarantee that they will be if I use OpenOffice?'</p><p>And of course, my answer is no.  But then, I can't absolutely, positively guarantee that two copies of MS Office won't have compatibility issues either.  No matter: MS Office is perceived as the 'safe' route, and don't think Microsoft doesn't pay big bucks to keep that thought in the zeitgeist of MS Office users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Simple : some people are extremely risk-avoidant , and they 'll pay money even when something else that does pretty much the same thing is free.I have tried many times to encourage an acquaintance who runs a small business to switch from MS Office to OpenOffice.org so she could save money on upgrades .
Her response is typically : 'I have to be sure that my documents are compatible with other MS Office users .
Can you absolutely , positively guarantee that they will be if I use OpenOffice ?
'And of course , my answer is no .
But then , I ca n't absolutely , positively guarantee that two copies of MS Office wo n't have compatibility issues either .
No matter : MS Office is perceived as the 'safe ' route , and do n't think Microsoft does n't pay big bucks to keep that thought in the zeitgeist of MS Office users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Simple: some people are extremely risk-avoidant, and they'll pay money even when something else that does pretty much the same thing is free.I have tried many times to encourage an acquaintance who runs a small business to switch from MS Office to OpenOffice.org so she could save money on upgrades.
Her response is typically: 'I have to be sure that my documents are compatible with other MS Office users.
Can you absolutely, positively guarantee that they will be if I use OpenOffice?
'And of course, my answer is no.
But then, I can't absolutely, positively guarantee that two copies of MS Office won't have compatibility issues either.
No matter: MS Office is perceived as the 'safe' route, and don't think Microsoft doesn't pay big bucks to keep that thought in the zeitgeist of MS Office users.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30590076</id>
	<title>So what?</title>
	<author>symbolset</author>
	<datestamp>1262102460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's no guarantee the next version of Microsoft Office will support them either if history is our guide.
</p><p>So if you're throwing away your productivity building your business intelligence into office applications, how 'bout just not doing that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no guarantee the next version of Microsoft Office will support them either if history is our guide .
So if you 're throwing away your productivity building your business intelligence into office applications , how 'bout just not doing that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no guarantee the next version of Microsoft Office will support them either if history is our guide.
So if you're throwing away your productivity building your business intelligence into office applications, how 'bout just not doing that?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30591980</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>t0p</author>
	<datestamp>1259843460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Plus, with a MS Office contract, you have a software vendor to fall back to when things go wrong.  You don't get this to the same extent with OSS, which is why business is often slow to adopt it.</p></div><p>What precisely does an "MS Office contract" get you, other than software updates?  Perhaps Microsoft send someone round to type your letters for you?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Plus , with a MS Office contract , you have a software vendor to fall back to when things go wrong .
You do n't get this to the same extent with OSS , which is why business is often slow to adopt it.What precisely does an " MS Office contract " get you , other than software updates ?
Perhaps Microsoft send someone round to type your letters for you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plus, with a MS Office contract, you have a software vendor to fall back to when things go wrong.
You don't get this to the same extent with OSS, which is why business is often slow to adopt it.What precisely does an "MS Office contract" get you, other than software updates?
Perhaps Microsoft send someone round to type your letters for you?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30591030</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1262114760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>What exactly are MS Office skills?</i> </p><p>Your first full-time job after a year on unemployment and welfare:</p><p><a href="http://www.kypost.com/content/wcposhared/story/Newport-Training-Facility-Helps-Unemployed-Find/K6nFrZqFUUuOPscbwKyq5A.cspx" title="kypost.com">Newport Training Facility Helps Unemployed Find Work</a> [kypost.com] </p><p>The baseline clerical skills needed for advancement in any trade or profession you could name:</p><p><a href="http://www.nature.com/naturejobs/science/jobs/125429-Administrative-Assistant" title="nature.com">Administrative Assistant : Hyderabad India</a> [nature.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What exactly are MS Office skills ?
Your first full-time job after a year on unemployment and welfare : Newport Training Facility Helps Unemployed Find Work [ kypost.com ] The baseline clerical skills needed for advancement in any trade or profession you could name : Administrative Assistant : Hyderabad India [ nature.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What exactly are MS Office skills?
Your first full-time job after a year on unemployment and welfare:Newport Training Facility Helps Unemployed Find Work [kypost.com] The baseline clerical skills needed for advancement in any trade or profession you could name:Administrative Assistant : Hyderabad India [nature.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30590654</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>JohnBailey</author>
	<datestamp>1262108820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>MS Office skills are marketable at any age.</p></div><p>What exactly are MS Office skills?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>MS Office skills are marketable at any age.What exactly are MS Office skills ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MS Office skills are marketable at any age.What exactly are MS Office skills?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30589318</id>
	<title>Open Office is there</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262095320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since Open Office is there, why would anyone go for this?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since Open Office is there , why would anyone go for this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since Open Office is there, why would anyone go for this?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30590430</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>MightyMartian</author>
	<datestamp>1262106420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When is the last time you ever heard of anybody going back on MS because of some issue with Word, in particular with Word not rendering earlier documents correctly?  As to Word 2007 compatibility, I did a number of tests on custom macros for Word 2003 that did indeed break on running on Word 2007, so I wouldn't go around lauding interoperability between versions that much.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When is the last time you ever heard of anybody going back on MS because of some issue with Word , in particular with Word not rendering earlier documents correctly ?
As to Word 2007 compatibility , I did a number of tests on custom macros for Word 2003 that did indeed break on running on Word 2007 , so I would n't go around lauding interoperability between versions that much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When is the last time you ever heard of anybody going back on MS because of some issue with Word, in particular with Word not rendering earlier documents correctly?
As to Word 2007 compatibility, I did a number of tests on custom macros for Word 2003 that did indeed break on running on Word 2007, so I wouldn't go around lauding interoperability between versions that much.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30591456</id>
	<title>Re:Ugh. If it worked, I'd use it.</title>
	<author>ozmanjusri</author>
	<datestamp>1259833380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>It can't even do a fsking "replace template" or "master" properly.</i>
<p>
This seems to be your only substantive complaint in the whole diatribe.
</p><p>
I've just tried replacing a Master and found the process simple and efficient. Likewise templates seem logical, simple and not noticeably different to other presentation software to me.
</p><p>
Can you please be more specific about the problems you're having?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It ca n't even do a fsking " replace template " or " master " properly .
This seems to be your only substantive complaint in the whole diatribe .
I 've just tried replacing a Master and found the process simple and efficient .
Likewise templates seem logical , simple and not noticeably different to other presentation software to me .
Can you please be more specific about the problems you 're having ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It can't even do a fsking "replace template" or "master" properly.
This seems to be your only substantive complaint in the whole diatribe.
I've just tried replacing a Master and found the process simple and efficient.
Likewise templates seem logical, simple and not noticeably different to other presentation software to me.
Can you please be more specific about the problems you're having?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30589414</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262096280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because OO.org is a piece of shit?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because OO.org is a piece of shit ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because OO.org is a piece of shit?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30589450</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>Low Ranked Craig</author>
	<datestamp>1262096580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not a huge Microsoft fan (just as I'm not a huge Adobe fan either) but the fact is that for all its flaws, Office is a superior product to Open Office, and can't even be compared with Google docs (with a straight face).  I suppose if you are a casual user them OO is fine.  But as a heavy user of Office, I tried to replace it with OO last year, and it just didn't do all the things I rely on Word and Excel to do for me, or at least not as easily, so I gave up on it.  (BTW I'm running Office 2008 on a Mac)  Likewise Photoshop and Gimp - I'd love not to have to pay Adobe hundreds of dollars for Photoshop, but Gimp doesn't even come close in terms of functionality and work flow, but again, like Office, I use Photoshop heavily and rely on it for my business.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not a huge Microsoft fan ( just as I 'm not a huge Adobe fan either ) but the fact is that for all its flaws , Office is a superior product to Open Office , and ca n't even be compared with Google docs ( with a straight face ) .
I suppose if you are a casual user them OO is fine .
But as a heavy user of Office , I tried to replace it with OO last year , and it just did n't do all the things I rely on Word and Excel to do for me , or at least not as easily , so I gave up on it .
( BTW I 'm running Office 2008 on a Mac ) Likewise Photoshop and Gimp - I 'd love not to have to pay Adobe hundreds of dollars for Photoshop , but Gimp does n't even come close in terms of functionality and work flow , but again , like Office , I use Photoshop heavily and rely on it for my business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not a huge Microsoft fan (just as I'm not a huge Adobe fan either) but the fact is that for all its flaws, Office is a superior product to Open Office, and can't even be compared with Google docs (with a straight face).
I suppose if you are a casual user them OO is fine.
But as a heavy user of Office, I tried to replace it with OO last year, and it just didn't do all the things I rely on Word and Excel to do for me, or at least not as easily, so I gave up on it.
(BTW I'm running Office 2008 on a Mac)  Likewise Photoshop and Gimp - I'd love not to have to pay Adobe hundreds of dollars for Photoshop, but Gimp doesn't even come close in terms of functionality and work flow, but again, like Office, I use Photoshop heavily and rely on it for my business.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30590326</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262105220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Business users have a lot of finely detailed and rigidly laid out documents, sometimes with proprietary macro or VBA coding in them. This stuff would be a huge pain to translate to an open standard, and there's no guarantee that OOo will display them faithfully and with fidelity.</p></div><p>I take it you haven't tried to upgrade to the most recent version. Good luck with that proprietary macro support and having things not lose fidelity and work the same.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>You don't get this to the same extent with OSS, which is why business is often slow to adopt it.</p></div><p>The majority of what prevents adoption of OO is FUD, plain &amp; simple. Software vendor contract with MS Office? Are you kidding? Most businesses don't HAVE a vendor contract they just have a pack of licenses, and any issues with it working your "support" is to report a bug on their forums.</p><p>People are afraid to move to something new, and they've "heard" of issues with other products. Sure, I agree that OOo isn't totally acceptable for many companies, but many companies simply have themselves locked into a proprietary solution and are going to have issues no matter WHAT they try to migrate to. The better long-term approach is to free your company from such things, but managers rarely are able to "justify" real (or imaginary) migration issues.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Business users have a lot of finely detailed and rigidly laid out documents , sometimes with proprietary macro or VBA coding in them .
This stuff would be a huge pain to translate to an open standard , and there 's no guarantee that OOo will display them faithfully and with fidelity.I take it you have n't tried to upgrade to the most recent version .
Good luck with that proprietary macro support and having things not lose fidelity and work the same.You do n't get this to the same extent with OSS , which is why business is often slow to adopt it.The majority of what prevents adoption of OO is FUD , plain &amp; simple .
Software vendor contract with MS Office ?
Are you kidding ?
Most businesses do n't HAVE a vendor contract they just have a pack of licenses , and any issues with it working your " support " is to report a bug on their forums.People are afraid to move to something new , and they 've " heard " of issues with other products .
Sure , I agree that OOo is n't totally acceptable for many companies , but many companies simply have themselves locked into a proprietary solution and are going to have issues no matter WHAT they try to migrate to .
The better long-term approach is to free your company from such things , but managers rarely are able to " justify " real ( or imaginary ) migration issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Business users have a lot of finely detailed and rigidly laid out documents, sometimes with proprietary macro or VBA coding in them.
This stuff would be a huge pain to translate to an open standard, and there's no guarantee that OOo will display them faithfully and with fidelity.I take it you haven't tried to upgrade to the most recent version.
Good luck with that proprietary macro support and having things not lose fidelity and work the same.You don't get this to the same extent with OSS, which is why business is often slow to adopt it.The majority of what prevents adoption of OO is FUD, plain &amp; simple.
Software vendor contract with MS Office?
Are you kidding?
Most businesses don't HAVE a vendor contract they just have a pack of licenses, and any issues with it working your "support" is to report a bug on their forums.People are afraid to move to something new, and they've "heard" of issues with other products.
Sure, I agree that OOo isn't totally acceptable for many companies, but many companies simply have themselves locked into a proprietary solution and are going to have issues no matter WHAT they try to migrate to.
The better long-term approach is to free your company from such things, but managers rarely are able to "justify" real (or imaginary) migration issues.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30589788</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262099640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Since Open Office is there, why would anyone go for this?</i> </p><p>The legit copy of MS Office for home use is free to <b>many</b> who use MS Office at work. <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/software-assurance/home-use-program.aspx" title="microsoft.com">Microsoft Software Assurance Home Use Program</a> [microsoft.com] </p><p>The MS Office "Ultimate Steal" for a full or part time student with an<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.edu e-mail address is $60. Win 7 Pro $30. <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/student/discounts/theultimatesteal-us/default.aspx" title="microsoft.com">the ultimate steal</a> [microsoft.com] </p><p>Since Word 97 or theabouts Microsoft has offered a Home office bundle for around $100-$150 list. Currently with a three-seat license. That's the price of a serviceable multifunction printer or four ink jet cartridges.</p><p>MS Office skills are marketable at any age.</p><p> The senior volunteer, the disabled, the kid just out of school knows this. It beats flipping burgers, pays better than Wal-Mart, and there is always someone who needs you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since Open Office is there , why would anyone go for this ?
The legit copy of MS Office for home use is free to many who use MS Office at work .
Microsoft Software Assurance Home Use Program [ microsoft.com ] The MS Office " Ultimate Steal " for a full or part time student with an .edu e-mail address is $ 60 .
Win 7 Pro $ 30 .
the ultimate steal [ microsoft.com ] Since Word 97 or theabouts Microsoft has offered a Home office bundle for around $ 100- $ 150 list .
Currently with a three-seat license .
That 's the price of a serviceable multifunction printer or four ink jet cartridges.MS Office skills are marketable at any age .
The senior volunteer , the disabled , the kid just out of school knows this .
It beats flipping burgers , pays better than Wal-Mart , and there is always someone who needs you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since Open Office is there, why would anyone go for this?
The legit copy of MS Office for home use is free to many who use MS Office at work.
Microsoft Software Assurance Home Use Program [microsoft.com] The MS Office "Ultimate Steal" for a full or part time student with an .edu e-mail address is $60.
Win 7 Pro $30.
the ultimate steal [microsoft.com] Since Word 97 or theabouts Microsoft has offered a Home office bundle for around $100-$150 list.
Currently with a three-seat license.
That's the price of a serviceable multifunction printer or four ink jet cartridges.MS Office skills are marketable at any age.
The senior volunteer, the disabled, the kid just out of school knows this.
It beats flipping burgers, pays better than Wal-Mart, and there is always someone who needs you.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30591150</id>
	<title>rats ass, given by, nobody</title>
	<author>mevets</author>
	<datestamp>1259870580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is such MSBS; ranks up with 'its not because our sw is complete shit, its because we are popular' excuse for providing an ease-of-abuse platform to one and all.</p><p>People make plain simple documents and need to distribute them.  There is nothing about these documents that wasn't fully served 15 years ago.  The add-on-pointless-crap is only about lock-in.   Look at any "business user" you know, and think carefully about their need for anything beyond what can be faxed.</p><p>Adobe were doing well on being the defacto standard, until they found out that their software had to protect against all the inadequacies of the (windows) platform, or be a vector of attack.   Go figure; a sort of virus-mine planted by MS.  Nice work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is such MSBS ; ranks up with 'its not because our sw is complete shit , its because we are popular ' excuse for providing an ease-of-abuse platform to one and all.People make plain simple documents and need to distribute them .
There is nothing about these documents that was n't fully served 15 years ago .
The add-on-pointless-crap is only about lock-in .
Look at any " business user " you know , and think carefully about their need for anything beyond what can be faxed.Adobe were doing well on being the defacto standard , until they found out that their software had to protect against all the inadequacies of the ( windows ) platform , or be a vector of attack .
Go figure ; a sort of virus-mine planted by MS. Nice work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is such MSBS; ranks up with 'its not because our sw is complete shit, its because we are popular' excuse for providing an ease-of-abuse platform to one and all.People make plain simple documents and need to distribute them.
There is nothing about these documents that wasn't fully served 15 years ago.
The add-on-pointless-crap is only about lock-in.
Look at any "business user" you know, and think carefully about their need for anything beyond what can be faxed.Adobe were doing well on being the defacto standard, until they found out that their software had to protect against all the inadequacies of the (windows) platform, or be a vector of attack.
Go figure; a sort of virus-mine planted by MS.  Nice work.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30589692</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>chill</author>
	<datestamp>1262098800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This isn't totally honest.</p><p>The transition from Office 97 to Office 2000 caused major headaches because of the lack of proper support for<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc format.  People got thru that by recreating many documents, or just doing without them, or waiting until a service pack came out many months later.</p><p>Ditto with the transition from Office 2003 to 2007.  I've dealt with numerous cases, especially with Powerpoint, where opening and saving in Office 2007 totally fucked up a document.  Stuff disappeared, or was rearranged.  One case, where the boss got a new laptop 2 days before a conference.  His old one died and his new one came with Office 2007.  He edited his presentation, saved it as an Office 2003<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.ppt and sent it to his assistant to finish.  It was totally fubar, but she only edited a few slides in the beginning and didn't see the mess later on.  When she sent it to him, her edits looked like crap to him and his earlier edits were gone.  It was a nightmare that saw the assistant recreate the entire thing from a printout the day before the conference -- and a total office ban on Office 2007 the day after.</p><p>Shit happens, even when exclusively in the MS world.  People would redo the documents that didn't translate properly.  They'd bitch, but they'd do it.  I've seen it time and time again over the last 20+ years.  Wordstar (dot commands FTW!) to Wordperfect to Word; Lotus 1-2-3 to Excel; god-knows-what to Visio; and don't even get me started on CAD!</p><p>And SuSE, Red Hat, TRW or IBM would be happy to take your money for a support contract.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't totally honest.The transition from Office 97 to Office 2000 caused major headaches because of the lack of proper support for .doc format .
People got thru that by recreating many documents , or just doing without them , or waiting until a service pack came out many months later.Ditto with the transition from Office 2003 to 2007 .
I 've dealt with numerous cases , especially with Powerpoint , where opening and saving in Office 2007 totally fucked up a document .
Stuff disappeared , or was rearranged .
One case , where the boss got a new laptop 2 days before a conference .
His old one died and his new one came with Office 2007 .
He edited his presentation , saved it as an Office 2003 .ppt and sent it to his assistant to finish .
It was totally fubar , but she only edited a few slides in the beginning and did n't see the mess later on .
When she sent it to him , her edits looked like crap to him and his earlier edits were gone .
It was a nightmare that saw the assistant recreate the entire thing from a printout the day before the conference -- and a total office ban on Office 2007 the day after.Shit happens , even when exclusively in the MS world .
People would redo the documents that did n't translate properly .
They 'd bitch , but they 'd do it .
I 've seen it time and time again over the last 20 + years .
Wordstar ( dot commands FTW !
) to Wordperfect to Word ; Lotus 1-2-3 to Excel ; god-knows-what to Visio ; and do n't even get me started on CAD ! And SuSE , Red Hat , TRW or IBM would be happy to take your money for a support contract .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't totally honest.The transition from Office 97 to Office 2000 caused major headaches because of the lack of proper support for .doc format.
People got thru that by recreating many documents, or just doing without them, or waiting until a service pack came out many months later.Ditto with the transition from Office 2003 to 2007.
I've dealt with numerous cases, especially with Powerpoint, where opening and saving in Office 2007 totally fucked up a document.
Stuff disappeared, or was rearranged.
One case, where the boss got a new laptop 2 days before a conference.
His old one died and his new one came with Office 2007.
He edited his presentation, saved it as an Office 2003 .ppt and sent it to his assistant to finish.
It was totally fubar, but she only edited a few slides in the beginning and didn't see the mess later on.
When she sent it to him, her edits looked like crap to him and his earlier edits were gone.
It was a nightmare that saw the assistant recreate the entire thing from a printout the day before the conference -- and a total office ban on Office 2007 the day after.Shit happens, even when exclusively in the MS world.
People would redo the documents that didn't translate properly.
They'd bitch, but they'd do it.
I've seen it time and time again over the last 20+ years.
Wordstar (dot commands FTW!
) to Wordperfect to Word; Lotus 1-2-3 to Excel; god-knows-what to Visio; and don't even get me started on CAD!And SuSE, Red Hat, TRW or IBM would be happy to take your money for a support contract.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30597068</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>mabhatter654</author>
	<datestamp>1259867700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not really, most full versions of Office only include INSTALL support and maybe one phone call (only if you find a bug, not user error) Student and bundled version include NO support other than what's online. Your school or OEM is supposed to answer your help calls in exchange for lower price.</p><p>The same applies to Windows. OEM (the cheap one from newegg) versions mean you get support from your builder, not Microsoft. Upgrade versions include only INSTALL support, other support is expected from your computer builder. Again, only Full Retail includes support for install, and maybe one other support call.. all calls to Microsoft require $75-$100 bucks up front on a credit card for consumer stuff and they don't charge if it's "their" problem.</p><p>For regular folks, Open Source and Microsoft have about the same level of support... People that repair problems with Office or Windows are easier to find, that's about all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not really , most full versions of Office only include INSTALL support and maybe one phone call ( only if you find a bug , not user error ) Student and bundled version include NO support other than what 's online .
Your school or OEM is supposed to answer your help calls in exchange for lower price.The same applies to Windows .
OEM ( the cheap one from newegg ) versions mean you get support from your builder , not Microsoft .
Upgrade versions include only INSTALL support , other support is expected from your computer builder .
Again , only Full Retail includes support for install , and maybe one other support call.. all calls to Microsoft require $ 75- $ 100 bucks up front on a credit card for consumer stuff and they do n't charge if it 's " their " problem.For regular folks , Open Source and Microsoft have about the same level of support... People that repair problems with Office or Windows are easier to find , that 's about all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not really, most full versions of Office only include INSTALL support and maybe one phone call (only if you find a bug, not user error) Student and bundled version include NO support other than what's online.
Your school or OEM is supposed to answer your help calls in exchange for lower price.The same applies to Windows.
OEM (the cheap one from newegg) versions mean you get support from your builder, not Microsoft.
Upgrade versions include only INSTALL support, other support is expected from your computer builder.
Again, only Full Retail includes support for install, and maybe one other support call.. all calls to Microsoft require $75-$100 bucks up front on a credit card for consumer stuff and they don't charge if it's "their" problem.For regular folks, Open Source and Microsoft have about the same level of support... People that repair problems with Office or Windows are easier to find, that's about all.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30589796</id>
	<title>Ugh.  If it worked, I'd use it.</title>
	<author>CFD339</author>
	<datestamp>1262099700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Open office's word processor isn't bad.  I've been forced to use the powerpoint replacement (called "Impress") recently and the word "SUCK" doesn't even begin to cover just how badly unworkable it is.  In fact, I've renamed it "Repress" because that's a more accurate description of what it does.</p><p>I'm not trying to do fancy transitions or stupid animations either.  Just basic slideware for hour or 90 minute long technical presentations.  It can't even do a fsking "replace template" or "master" properly.  It just sucks. Totally and completely sucks.</p><p>By the way, in case I wasn't clear -- I don't care for it.</p><p>When it meets even close to parity, I'll jump all over it.  Until then, I'll pay my Microsoft tax (or switch and pay my Apple tax).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Open office 's word processor is n't bad .
I 've been forced to use the powerpoint replacement ( called " Impress " ) recently and the word " SUCK " does n't even begin to cover just how badly unworkable it is .
In fact , I 've renamed it " Repress " because that 's a more accurate description of what it does.I 'm not trying to do fancy transitions or stupid animations either .
Just basic slideware for hour or 90 minute long technical presentations .
It ca n't even do a fsking " replace template " or " master " properly .
It just sucks .
Totally and completely sucks.By the way , in case I was n't clear -- I do n't care for it.When it meets even close to parity , I 'll jump all over it .
Until then , I 'll pay my Microsoft tax ( or switch and pay my Apple tax ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Open office's word processor isn't bad.
I've been forced to use the powerpoint replacement (called "Impress") recently and the word "SUCK" doesn't even begin to cover just how badly unworkable it is.
In fact, I've renamed it "Repress" because that's a more accurate description of what it does.I'm not trying to do fancy transitions or stupid animations either.
Just basic slideware for hour or 90 minute long technical presentations.
It can't even do a fsking "replace template" or "master" properly.
It just sucks.
Totally and completely sucks.By the way, in case I wasn't clear -- I don't care for it.When it meets even close to parity, I'll jump all over it.
Until then, I'll pay my Microsoft tax (or switch and pay my Apple tax).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30590502</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>Arancaytar</author>
	<datestamp>1262107080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>there's no guarantee that OOo will display them faithfully and with fidelity.</p></div></blockquote><p>At least there's also no guarantee that future versions won't, which is more than can be said for MS Word.</p></div>
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<tokenext>there 's no guarantee that OOo will display them faithfully and with fidelity.At least there 's also no guarantee that future versions wo n't , which is more than can be said for MS Word .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there's no guarantee that OOo will display them faithfully and with fidelity.At least there's also no guarantee that future versions won't, which is more than can be said for MS Word.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30589510</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262097120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The same exact reason why people still pirate Windows when Linux is free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The same exact reason why people still pirate Windows when Linux is free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The same exact reason why people still pirate Windows when Linux is free.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30589918</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1262100780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Semi-OT, but a handy way to use different versions of Office on the same PC, and portably on a USB key, is to modify their installation via VMWare ThinApp:</p><p><a href="http://www.vmware.com/products/thinapp/" title="vmware.com">http://www.vmware.com/products/thinapp/</a> [vmware.com]</p><p>I found out about Thinstals/Thinapps/"portable" versions when I accidentally browsed a torrent site where they are popular for various reasons, but the concept works well and it's easier to copy/paste a folder than do a conventional install.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Semi-OT , but a handy way to use different versions of Office on the same PC , and portably on a USB key , is to modify their installation via VMWare ThinApp : http : //www.vmware.com/products/thinapp/ [ vmware.com ] I found out about Thinstals/Thinapps/ " portable " versions when I accidentally browsed a torrent site where they are popular for various reasons , but the concept works well and it 's easier to copy/paste a folder than do a conventional install .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Semi-OT, but a handy way to use different versions of Office on the same PC, and portably on a USB key, is to modify their installation via VMWare ThinApp:http://www.vmware.com/products/thinapp/ [vmware.com]I found out about Thinstals/Thinapps/"portable" versions when I accidentally browsed a torrent site where they are popular for various reasons, but the concept works well and it's easier to copy/paste a folder than do a conventional install.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30590288</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1262104740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd just like to point out that there's no guarantee, or reason to believe, that open source office software is any better in this regard.</p><p>And, hell, OpenOffice's presentation software is so weak, even a completely corrupted Office 2007 file probably looked better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd just like to point out that there 's no guarantee , or reason to believe , that open source office software is any better in this regard.And , hell , OpenOffice 's presentation software is so weak , even a completely corrupted Office 2007 file probably looked better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd just like to point out that there's no guarantee, or reason to believe, that open source office software is any better in this regard.And, hell, OpenOffice's presentation software is so weak, even a completely corrupted Office 2007 file probably looked better.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30589940</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262100960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What the hell kind of bullshit is that?  Oh, we have someone to choke, we can blah blah blah.  What is that, some kind of joke?  Really, are you a village idiot or something?  I've seen that piece of crap spewed so many times and still I see morons spewing it "oh, I have a contract blah blah, you know, for restitution'.  NO ONE CAN GET IT FROM THEM!  What world are you living in?  SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS IS WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY, NOT EVEN THE WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY!!!  Its been in their license boiler plate for years!  Someone to CHOKE????  Thats just a JOKE!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What the hell kind of bullshit is that ?
Oh , we have someone to choke , we can blah blah blah .
What is that , some kind of joke ?
Really , are you a village idiot or something ?
I 've seen that piece of crap spewed so many times and still I see morons spewing it " oh , I have a contract blah blah , you know , for restitution' .
NO ONE CAN GET IT FROM THEM !
What world are you living in ?
SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS IS WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY , NOT EVEN THE WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY ! ! !
Its been in their license boiler plate for years !
Someone to CHOKE ? ? ? ?
Thats just a JOKE ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the hell kind of bullshit is that?
Oh, we have someone to choke, we can blah blah blah.
What is that, some kind of joke?
Really, are you a village idiot or something?
I've seen that piece of crap spewed so many times and still I see morons spewing it "oh, I have a contract blah blah, you know, for restitution'.
NO ONE CAN GET IT FROM THEM!
What world are you living in?
SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS IS WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY, NOT EVEN THE WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY!!!
Its been in their license boiler plate for years!
Someone to CHOKE????
Thats just a JOKE!!
!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30590166</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>Brett Buck</author>
	<datestamp>1262103360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Plus, with a MS Office contract, you have a software vendor to fall back to when things go wrong.</p></div> </blockquote><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; That's not worth the electrons you used to type that sentence. Through work, I have had a "platinum" trouble ticket open with these idiots for about 6 years now. It's a pretty serious issue - documents that become corrupted either while they are being edited, or when opened and then closed. Not trivial stuff - characters just change from one thing to another. They haven't even made a decent effort to resolve it. Their solution to document corruption is to get a correct printed copy, somehow, then scan it in as a TIFF file. This from a senior tech at MS. Not only that, they have consistently been unable to get a simple NDA signed and ITAR certification so that I can give them some of the examples. The sticking point is that they seemingly can't ensure that all the people working it are US citizens. That's not asking a lot for the kind of money that my very large aerospace company pays them in support costs, for this serious an issue.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Brett</p></div>
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<tokenext>Plus , with a MS Office contract , you have a software vendor to fall back to when things go wrong .
          That 's not worth the electrons you used to type that sentence .
Through work , I have had a " platinum " trouble ticket open with these idiots for about 6 years now .
It 's a pretty serious issue - documents that become corrupted either while they are being edited , or when opened and then closed .
Not trivial stuff - characters just change from one thing to another .
They have n't even made a decent effort to resolve it .
Their solution to document corruption is to get a correct printed copy , somehow , then scan it in as a TIFF file .
This from a senior tech at MS. Not only that , they have consistently been unable to get a simple NDA signed and ITAR certification so that I can give them some of the examples .
The sticking point is that they seemingly ca n't ensure that all the people working it are US citizens .
That 's not asking a lot for the kind of money that my very large aerospace company pays them in support costs , for this serious an issue .
        Brett</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plus, with a MS Office contract, you have a software vendor to fall back to when things go wrong.
          That's not worth the electrons you used to type that sentence.
Through work, I have had a "platinum" trouble ticket open with these idiots for about 6 years now.
It's a pretty serious issue - documents that become corrupted either while they are being edited, or when opened and then closed.
Not trivial stuff - characters just change from one thing to another.
They haven't even made a decent effort to resolve it.
Their solution to document corruption is to get a correct printed copy, somehow, then scan it in as a TIFF file.
This from a senior tech at MS. Not only that, they have consistently been unable to get a simple NDA signed and ITAR certification so that I can give them some of the examples.
The sticking point is that they seemingly can't ensure that all the people working it are US citizens.
That's not asking a lot for the kind of money that my very large aerospace company pays them in support costs, for this serious an issue.
        Brett
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30589560</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>Bill, Shooter of Bul</author>
	<datestamp>1262097540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Chocolate exists, why would anyone go for vanilla?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Chocolate exists , why would anyone go for vanilla ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chocolate exists, why would anyone go for vanilla?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30589728</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262099160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext>That's why they shouldn't have locked themselves into a proprietary solution.  But that's an excuse for documents that were made years ago.  There is no reason to write new documents using MS Office.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's why they should n't have locked themselves into a proprietary solution .
But that 's an excuse for documents that were made years ago .
There is no reason to write new documents using MS Office .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's why they shouldn't have locked themselves into a proprietary solution.
But that's an excuse for documents that were made years ago.
There is no reason to write new documents using MS Office.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259851800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you fail to grasp how good some people are at drawing stuff in MS Word.</p><p>My sister in law works for a marketing firm and I've seen her sketch out some very professional looking advertisements all straight in front of a customer in Word.  She can use photoshop to be more precise (and all the designs eventually go to an actual photoshop/illustrator pro), but opening up a word document and slapping it together with the customer in their office generally is faster and leads to less 'I like it, but maybe we can put my dog in here somewhere'.  Also the managers she's working with don't know photoshop, but they do know Word like the back of their hand, so she can let them get their hands wet in the process and help them feel important.</p><p>Preventing design feature creep is something that can save some serious money in the long haul and skills at drawing in Word are an incredible tool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you fail to grasp how good some people are at drawing stuff in MS Word.My sister in law works for a marketing firm and I 've seen her sketch out some very professional looking advertisements all straight in front of a customer in Word .
She can use photoshop to be more precise ( and all the designs eventually go to an actual photoshop/illustrator pro ) , but opening up a word document and slapping it together with the customer in their office generally is faster and leads to less 'I like it , but maybe we can put my dog in here somewhere' .
Also the managers she 's working with do n't know photoshop , but they do know Word like the back of their hand , so she can let them get their hands wet in the process and help them feel important.Preventing design feature creep is something that can save some serious money in the long haul and skills at drawing in Word are an incredible tool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you fail to grasp how good some people are at drawing stuff in MS Word.My sister in law works for a marketing firm and I've seen her sketch out some very professional looking advertisements all straight in front of a customer in Word.
She can use photoshop to be more precise (and all the designs eventually go to an actual photoshop/illustrator pro), but opening up a word document and slapping it together with the customer in their office generally is faster and leads to less 'I like it, but maybe we can put my dog in here somewhere'.
Also the managers she's working with don't know photoshop, but they do know Word like the back of their hand, so she can let them get their hands wet in the process and help them feel important.Preventing design feature creep is something that can save some serious money in the long haul and skills at drawing in Word are an incredible tool.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>Ephemeriis</author>
	<datestamp>1262098980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Since Open Office is there, why would anyone go for this?</p></div><p>Open Office, while good, just isn't an option for a lot of business users.</p><p>I've got business clients who can't handle the minuscule UI changes from Office 2000 to XP to 2003...  They've actually avoided 2007 like the plague...  There's no way in hell they'll go to a whole new program.</p><p>And then there's the issue of things opening and rendering correctly.  I don't know how good OO.o is these days...  It may be nearly perfect...  But the first time someone opens a document that looks wrong, or the first time someone sends a document that nobody else can open, will be the last time they use OO.o</p><p>Plus, when things go really wrong you can always call Microsoft and complain...  Pay for some technical support or something...  Does OO.o offer support contracts?</p></div>
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<tokenext>Since Open Office is there , why would anyone go for this ? Open Office , while good , just is n't an option for a lot of business users.I 've got business clients who ca n't handle the minuscule UI changes from Office 2000 to XP to 2003... They 've actually avoided 2007 like the plague... There 's no way in hell they 'll go to a whole new program.And then there 's the issue of things opening and rendering correctly .
I do n't know how good OO.o is these days... It may be nearly perfect... But the first time someone opens a document that looks wrong , or the first time someone sends a document that nobody else can open , will be the last time they use OO.oPlus , when things go really wrong you can always call Microsoft and complain... Pay for some technical support or something... Does OO.o offer support contracts ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since Open Office is there, why would anyone go for this?Open Office, while good, just isn't an option for a lot of business users.I've got business clients who can't handle the minuscule UI changes from Office 2000 to XP to 2003...  They've actually avoided 2007 like the plague...  There's no way in hell they'll go to a whole new program.And then there's the issue of things opening and rendering correctly.
I don't know how good OO.o is these days...  It may be nearly perfect...  But the first time someone opens a document that looks wrong, or the first time someone sends a document that nobody else can open, will be the last time they use OO.oPlus, when things go really wrong you can always call Microsoft and complain...  Pay for some technical support or something...  Does OO.o offer support contracts?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30592024</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>johnsie</author>
	<datestamp>1259844300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What exactly are MS Office skills?</p></div><p>Depends how technical you want to get. Most people only know the basics, but power users can do alot more using formulas, mail-merges, macros, VBA etc. Then there's SQL which can be used alongside Access, not to mention database normalisation etc. Office can be quite technical if you look at some of the deeper parts of it. It's not just bold, italics and paragraphs, it's actually quite a powerful system if you do your research.</p></div>
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<tokenext>What exactly are MS Office skills ? Depends how technical you want to get .
Most people only know the basics , but power users can do alot more using formulas , mail-merges , macros , VBA etc .
Then there 's SQL which can be used alongside Access , not to mention database normalisation etc .
Office can be quite technical if you look at some of the deeper parts of it .
It 's not just bold , italics and paragraphs , it 's actually quite a powerful system if you do your research .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What exactly are MS Office skills?Depends how technical you want to get.
Most people only know the basics, but power users can do alot more using formulas, mail-merges, macros, VBA etc.
Then there's SQL which can be used alongside Access, not to mention database normalisation etc.
Office can be quite technical if you look at some of the deeper parts of it.
It's not just bold, italics and paragraphs, it's actually quite a powerful system if you do your research.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30590944</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262113200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>One case, where the boss got a new laptop 2 days before a conference. His old one died and his new one came with Office 2007.</i></p><p>It sounds like there are some dumb sysadmins where you work. How would they let Office 2007 get to the boss' computer without him knowing? Sounds like they either got the laptop from the manufacturer and handed it to boss, or they have a standard image with Office 2007 and it wasn't tested properly or communicated to boss that he was getting the new version of Office.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One case , where the boss got a new laptop 2 days before a conference .
His old one died and his new one came with Office 2007.It sounds like there are some dumb sysadmins where you work .
How would they let Office 2007 get to the boss ' computer without him knowing ?
Sounds like they either got the laptop from the manufacturer and handed it to boss , or they have a standard image with Office 2007 and it was n't tested properly or communicated to boss that he was getting the new version of Office .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One case, where the boss got a new laptop 2 days before a conference.
His old one died and his new one came with Office 2007.It sounds like there are some dumb sysadmins where you work.
How would they let Office 2007 get to the boss' computer without him knowing?
Sounds like they either got the laptop from the manufacturer and handed it to boss, or they have a standard image with Office 2007 and it wasn't tested properly or communicated to boss that he was getting the new version of Office.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30590332</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>blai</author>
	<datestamp>1262105220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We didn't have so many computer users a decade ago, nor did we have technology so advanced.<br> <br>
People could just change whatever they liked and others would imagine they were just "another printing problem".

With paranoid antiphishers out there, you can't do that today.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We did n't have so many computer users a decade ago , nor did we have technology so advanced .
People could just change whatever they liked and others would imagine they were just " another printing problem " .
With paranoid antiphishers out there , you ca n't do that today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We didn't have so many computer users a decade ago, nor did we have technology so advanced.
People could just change whatever they liked and others would imagine they were just "another printing problem".
With paranoid antiphishers out there, you can't do that today.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30589994</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>Antique Geekmeister</author>
	<datestamp>1262101560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is even \_less\_ guarantee that MS format documents will be correctly displayed or formatted by \_any\_ tool. Microsoft has repeatedly been shown, in court, to publish documentation of their formats so bad that it is useless to other developers. And the changes between MS Word versions are frequently terribly mishandled by even the best of Microsoft's tools.</p><p>In general, the few documents that do not display correctly in OpenOffice which I've not encountered were prey to time-wasting layout micromanagers, who specified every single character's position for esthetic effects that have nothing to do with actual content, and the mishandling is a good indicator that the document itself is written by a paper-work pusher collecting their management salary for picking fonts.</p><p>And have you ever \_tried\_ to get MS Office support, as opposed to commercial OpenOffice support or even open source support for OpenOffice? Go ahead: try to get help with Hebrew printing, or Microsoft mishandling of Unicode.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is even \ _less \ _ guarantee that MS format documents will be correctly displayed or formatted by \ _any \ _ tool .
Microsoft has repeatedly been shown , in court , to publish documentation of their formats so bad that it is useless to other developers .
And the changes between MS Word versions are frequently terribly mishandled by even the best of Microsoft 's tools.In general , the few documents that do not display correctly in OpenOffice which I 've not encountered were prey to time-wasting layout micromanagers , who specified every single character 's position for esthetic effects that have nothing to do with actual content , and the mishandling is a good indicator that the document itself is written by a paper-work pusher collecting their management salary for picking fonts.And have you ever \ _tried \ _ to get MS Office support , as opposed to commercial OpenOffice support or even open source support for OpenOffice ?
Go ahead : try to get help with Hebrew printing , or Microsoft mishandling of Unicode .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is even \_less\_ guarantee that MS format documents will be correctly displayed or formatted by \_any\_ tool.
Microsoft has repeatedly been shown, in court, to publish documentation of their formats so bad that it is useless to other developers.
And the changes between MS Word versions are frequently terribly mishandled by even the best of Microsoft's tools.In general, the few documents that do not display correctly in OpenOffice which I've not encountered were prey to time-wasting layout micromanagers, who specified every single character's position for esthetic effects that have nothing to do with actual content, and the mishandling is a good indicator that the document itself is written by a paper-work pusher collecting their management salary for picking fonts.And have you ever \_tried\_ to get MS Office support, as opposed to commercial OpenOffice support or even open source support for OpenOffice?
Go ahead: try to get help with Hebrew printing, or Microsoft mishandling of Unicode.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_30_0011258.30590092</id>
	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1262102580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Business users have a lot of finely detailed and rigidly laid out documents</p></div><p>And then they use Word... of all programs... to do that?<br>That&rsquo;s like drawing pictures in MS Paint. ^^</p><p>For that task, the area is not &ldquo;word processing&rdquo;, but &ldquo;DTP&rdquo;.<br>InDesign, QuarkXPress, Scribus and (La)TeX would be the tools for that.</p><p>The &ldquo;quality&rdquo; of layout that you can do in MS programs, you can do in OOo too.<br>There is no guarantee that MS documents look right in OOo, true. But on top of there also being no guarantee that MS documents will display right in other versions from MS, there <em>is</em> a guarantee that open documents will not display right in MS at all.</p><p>For sending around documents, with a guaranteed layout, you use PDF anyway. Anything else would look ridicoulous and pointy-haired.*</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Plus, with a MS Office contract, you have a software vendor to fall back to when things go wrong. You don't get this to the same extent with OSS, which is why business is often slow to adopt it.</p></div><p>Stop spreading that lie. There are many companies out there who gladly sell you professional support.<br>I wonder if MS will ever change the application and add new code for you... Because they can, and you can afford it too.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>* Yes, I laughed at my ex-boss for sending me stuff in MS formats. Then I founded my own company, telling them I&rsquo;d come back when I could buy them for some peanuts. Now they were sold for a single peanut. I was there. I laughed. ^^<br>In the end you control your own value, what you accept, and what not.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Business users have a lot of finely detailed and rigidly laid out documentsAnd then they use Word... of all programs... to do that ? That    s like drawing pictures in MS Paint .
^ ^ For that task , the area is not    word processing    , but    DTP    .InDesign , QuarkXPress , Scribus and ( La ) TeX would be the tools for that.The    quality    of layout that you can do in MS programs , you can do in OOo too.There is no guarantee that MS documents look right in OOo , true .
But on top of there also being no guarantee that MS documents will display right in other versions from MS , there is a guarantee that open documents will not display right in MS at all.For sending around documents , with a guaranteed layout , you use PDF anyway .
Anything else would look ridicoulous and pointy-haired .
* Plus , with a MS Office contract , you have a software vendor to fall back to when things go wrong .
You do n't get this to the same extent with OSS , which is why business is often slow to adopt it.Stop spreading that lie .
There are many companies out there who gladly sell you professional support.I wonder if MS will ever change the application and add new code for you... Because they can , and you can afford it too .
: ) * Yes , I laughed at my ex-boss for sending me stuff in MS formats .
Then I founded my own company , telling them I    d come back when I could buy them for some peanuts .
Now they were sold for a single peanut .
I was there .
I laughed .
^ ^ In the end you control your own value , what you accept , and what not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Business users have a lot of finely detailed and rigidly laid out documentsAnd then they use Word... of all programs... to do that?That’s like drawing pictures in MS Paint.
^^For that task, the area is not “word processing”, but “DTP”.InDesign, QuarkXPress, Scribus and (La)TeX would be the tools for that.The “quality” of layout that you can do in MS programs, you can do in OOo too.There is no guarantee that MS documents look right in OOo, true.
But on top of there also being no guarantee that MS documents will display right in other versions from MS, there is a guarantee that open documents will not display right in MS at all.For sending around documents, with a guaranteed layout, you use PDF anyway.
Anything else would look ridicoulous and pointy-haired.
*Plus, with a MS Office contract, you have a software vendor to fall back to when things go wrong.
You don't get this to the same extent with OSS, which is why business is often slow to adopt it.Stop spreading that lie.
There are many companies out there who gladly sell you professional support.I wonder if MS will ever change the application and add new code for you... Because they can, and you can afford it too.
:)* Yes, I laughed at my ex-boss for sending me stuff in MS formats.
Then I founded my own company, telling them I’d come back when I could buy them for some peanuts.
Now they were sold for a single peanut.
I was there.
I laughed.
^^In the end you control your own value, what you accept, and what not.
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	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>Anpheus</author>
	<datestamp>1262115240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Users with a support contract (read: volume license) are under no obligation to use the most current version, and can in fact install any previous versions.</p><p>As Windows 2000 has not yet fallen out of support, our Windows Server 2008 R2 licenses may be used to acquire and install Windows 2000. I don't know if we can get Office 2000 still, but definitely 2003.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Users with a support contract ( read : volume license ) are under no obligation to use the most current version , and can in fact install any previous versions.As Windows 2000 has not yet fallen out of support , our Windows Server 2008 R2 licenses may be used to acquire and install Windows 2000 .
I do n't know if we can get Office 2000 still , but definitely 2003 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Users with a support contract (read: volume license) are under no obligation to use the most current version, and can in fact install any previous versions.As Windows 2000 has not yet fallen out of support, our Windows Server 2008 R2 licenses may be used to acquire and install Windows 2000.
I don't know if we can get Office 2000 still, but definitely 2003.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Open Office is there</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1262106600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anyone who has gone through the pre late 90's upgrades of MS Office products have no faith in MS ability to maintain integrity between versions.  The transition from<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.docx just reinforces their inability to maintain compatibility.
<p>
It was the inability of 2000+ versions of office to read my 97 version of office that finally drove me to OO.org.  The transition from Macros to VBA in Excel almost did it, but there was nothing like Excel until the recent updates of OO.org.
</p><p>
In all honestly I understand why people stay with MS products.  There is often some little thing that they need.  It could be a font, or just a way of creating content.  I might still have a copy of Office around if I were running on a Windows machine. The presentation creator in OO.org is just not all that great.  Fortunately I have a mac, and Keynote, which is way better than anything else out there, at least for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone who has gone through the pre late 90 's upgrades of MS Office products have no faith in MS ability to maintain integrity between versions .
The transition from .doc to .docx just reinforces their inability to maintain compatibility .
It was the inability of 2000 + versions of office to read my 97 version of office that finally drove me to OO.org .
The transition from Macros to VBA in Excel almost did it , but there was nothing like Excel until the recent updates of OO.org .
In all honestly I understand why people stay with MS products .
There is often some little thing that they need .
It could be a font , or just a way of creating content .
I might still have a copy of Office around if I were running on a Windows machine .
The presentation creator in OO.org is just not all that great .
Fortunately I have a mac , and Keynote , which is way better than anything else out there , at least for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone who has gone through the pre late 90's upgrades of MS Office products have no faith in MS ability to maintain integrity between versions.
The transition from .doc to .docx just reinforces their inability to maintain compatibility.
It was the inability of 2000+ versions of office to read my 97 version of office that finally drove me to OO.org.
The transition from Macros to VBA in Excel almost did it, but there was nothing like Excel until the recent updates of OO.org.
In all honestly I understand why people stay with MS products.
There is often some little thing that they need.
It could be a font, or just a way of creating content.
I might still have a copy of Office around if I were running on a Windows machine.
The presentation creator in OO.org is just not all that great.
Fortunately I have a mac, and Keynote, which is way better than anything else out there, at least for me.</sentencetext>
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