<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_29_1321211</id>
	<title>Court Orders Shutdown of H-1B Critics' Websites</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1262097840000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>theodp writes <i>"Computerworld reports that a NJ Superior Court Judge <a href="http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9142806/Court\_orders\_three\_H\_1B\_sites\_disabled">ordered hosting firms to shut down three Web sites that oppose the H-1B visa program</a> and seeks information about the identity of anonymous posters. GoDaddy, Network Solutions, Comcast and DiscountASP.Net were ordered to disable ITgrunt.com, Endh1b.com, and Guestworkerfraud.com. Facebook Inc. was also ordered to disable ITgrunt's Facebook page. The judge's order was made in response to a libel lawsuit filed by Apex Technology Group Inc., which is citing its copyright ownership as it seeks the identity of the poster of a since-removed Apex employment agreement on Docstoc.com, which drew critical comments on US and India websites."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>theodp writes " Computerworld reports that a NJ Superior Court Judge ordered hosting firms to shut down three Web sites that oppose the H-1B visa program and seeks information about the identity of anonymous posters .
GoDaddy , Network Solutions , Comcast and DiscountASP.Net were ordered to disable ITgrunt.com , Endh1b.com , and Guestworkerfraud.com .
Facebook Inc. was also ordered to disable ITgrunt 's Facebook page .
The judge 's order was made in response to a libel lawsuit filed by Apex Technology Group Inc. , which is citing its copyright ownership as it seeks the identity of the poster of a since-removed Apex employment agreement on Docstoc.com , which drew critical comments on US and India websites .
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<sentencetext>theodp writes "Computerworld reports that a NJ Superior Court Judge ordered hosting firms to shut down three Web sites that oppose the H-1B visa program and seeks information about the identity of anonymous posters.
GoDaddy, Network Solutions, Comcast and DiscountASP.Net were ordered to disable ITgrunt.com, Endh1b.com, and Guestworkerfraud.com.
Facebook Inc. was also ordered to disable ITgrunt's Facebook page.
The judge's order was made in response to a libel lawsuit filed by Apex Technology Group Inc., which is citing its copyright ownership as it seeks the identity of the poster of a since-removed Apex employment agreement on Docstoc.com, which drew critical comments on US and India websites.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30586776</id>
	<title>Taxation without Representation</title>
	<author>SPADjocky</author>
	<datestamp>1262082360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Taxation without representation is not fair.
I thought we revolted from GB over that very issue, and it is despicable that we even tolerate this modern form of indentured servitude."



Which is why the US would never tax the citizens of its own capital and deny them a vote in Congress...oh...wait...</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Taxation without representation is not fair .
I thought we revolted from GB over that very issue , and it is despicable that we even tolerate this modern form of indentured servitude .
" Which is why the US would never tax the citizens of its own capital and deny them a vote in Congress...oh...wait.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Taxation without representation is not fair.
I thought we revolted from GB over that very issue, and it is despicable that we even tolerate this modern form of indentured servitude.
"



Which is why the US would never tax the citizens of its own capital and deny them a vote in Congress...oh...wait...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30583294</id>
	<title>Re:First thoguht on RTFA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262109420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>gloss over all the other constraints</p> </div><p>Which other contraints?  Like we don't have a dictator?  Yet?</p><p>And, by the way, it must be so comforting for you to know that government and corporate interests are so intertwined that one can't distinguish who \_exactly\_ is calling the shots for every issue.  It must be so relieving that while there is such an obscene concentration of power that there are only two car companies that matter, two phone companies that matter, two airlines that matter, two political parties that matter, there is at least no dictatorship.</p><p>Yeah, great, we're all fucked (those of us who aren't billionaires and/or CEOs) but at least we don't \_technically\_ match the dictionary term for "fascism" - we've definitely got that going for us.</p><p>Shall I wake you up when we finally match up with the technical definition?  Will you be motivated to get all fired up for the opposition when we have brown shirts in the streets, black uniforms with lightning bolts, and that shouty guy with the bad haircut and rectangular moustache?</p><p>And don't "whoosh" me, I know you weren't kidding...</p></div>
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<tokenext>gloss over all the other constraints Which other contraints ?
Like we do n't have a dictator ?
Yet ? And , by the way , it must be so comforting for you to know that government and corporate interests are so intertwined that one ca n't distinguish who \ _exactly \ _ is calling the shots for every issue .
It must be so relieving that while there is such an obscene concentration of power that there are only two car companies that matter , two phone companies that matter , two airlines that matter , two political parties that matter , there is at least no dictatorship.Yeah , great , we 're all fucked ( those of us who are n't billionaires and/or CEOs ) but at least we do n't \ _technically \ _ match the dictionary term for " fascism " - we 've definitely got that going for us.Shall I wake you up when we finally match up with the technical definition ?
Will you be motivated to get all fired up for the opposition when we have brown shirts in the streets , black uniforms with lightning bolts , and that shouty guy with the bad haircut and rectangular moustache ? And do n't " whoosh " me , I know you were n't kidding.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>gloss over all the other constraints Which other contraints?
Like we don't have a dictator?
Yet?And, by the way, it must be so comforting for you to know that government and corporate interests are so intertwined that one can't distinguish who \_exactly\_ is calling the shots for every issue.
It must be so relieving that while there is such an obscene concentration of power that there are only two car companies that matter, two phone companies that matter, two airlines that matter, two political parties that matter, there is at least no dictatorship.Yeah, great, we're all fucked (those of us who aren't billionaires and/or CEOs) but at least we don't \_technically\_ match the dictionary term for "fascism" - we've definitely got that going for us.Shall I wake you up when we finally match up with the technical definition?
Will you be motivated to get all fired up for the opposition when we have brown shirts in the streets, black uniforms with lightning bolts, and that shouty guy with the bad haircut and rectangular moustache?And don't "whoosh" me, I know you weren't kidding...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30583758</id>
	<title>Re:Job Reclaimation, not creation.</title>
	<author>Myopic</author>
	<datestamp>1262111400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The fact is, the people of the US were better off when we were mostly isolationist</i></p><p>In what alternate reality was the 1800s better for America than the 1900s? Are you aware of the 1900s being called "The American Century"? Is it warm and sunny inside your imagination?</p><p>The fact is, no people of any country have ever been better off with "extremely limited foreign trade partners".</p><p>Besides, I don't think even in the 1800s were we "mostly isolationist". We've had aggressive foreign policy since pretty much the beginning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact is , the people of the US were better off when we were mostly isolationistIn what alternate reality was the 1800s better for America than the 1900s ?
Are you aware of the 1900s being called " The American Century " ?
Is it warm and sunny inside your imagination ? The fact is , no people of any country have ever been better off with " extremely limited foreign trade partners " .Besides , I do n't think even in the 1800s were we " mostly isolationist " .
We 've had aggressive foreign policy since pretty much the beginning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact is, the people of the US were better off when we were mostly isolationistIn what alternate reality was the 1800s better for America than the 1900s?
Are you aware of the 1900s being called "The American Century"?
Is it warm and sunny inside your imagination?The fact is, no people of any country have ever been better off with "extremely limited foreign trade partners".Besides, I don't think even in the 1800s were we "mostly isolationist".
We've had aggressive foreign policy since pretty much the beginning.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582586</id>
	<title>Re:H-1B is a Fraud</title>
	<author>zippthorne</author>
	<datestamp>1262105580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There are too many native programmers who whine if given a task that falls slightly out of their comfort zone or job description.</p></div><p>I assume you manage programmers then.  Are you sure that they're whining because they don't want to do something that makes them uncomfortable and not just trying to make sure the company gets the best service possible by recommending seeking an expert in the areas that they themselves are shaky on?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are too many native programmers who whine if given a task that falls slightly out of their comfort zone or job description.I assume you manage programmers then .
Are you sure that they 're whining because they do n't want to do something that makes them uncomfortable and not just trying to make sure the company gets the best service possible by recommending seeking an expert in the areas that they themselves are shaky on ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are too many native programmers who whine if given a task that falls slightly out of their comfort zone or job description.I assume you manage programmers then.
Are you sure that they're whining because they don't want to do something that makes them uncomfortable and not just trying to make sure the company gets the best service possible by recommending seeking an expert in the areas that they themselves are shaky on?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582160</id>
	<title>Re:H-1B is a Fraud</title>
	<author>ShiningSomething</author>
	<datestamp>1262103060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's the kind of fraud that Indians have ingrained in to their culture and Americans seem to get better at every day.</p></div></blockquote><p>

I don't think it's any different from hiring illegal immigrants to work the harvest, or at a meatpacking plant. In that case, Indians have nothing to do with it. Some people may call it competition.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the kind of fraud that Indians have ingrained in to their culture and Americans seem to get better at every day .
I do n't think it 's any different from hiring illegal immigrants to work the harvest , or at a meatpacking plant .
In that case , Indians have nothing to do with it .
Some people may call it competition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the kind of fraud that Indians have ingrained in to their culture and Americans seem to get better at every day.
I don't think it's any different from hiring illegal immigrants to work the harvest, or at a meatpacking plant.
In that case, Indians have nothing to do with it.
Some people may call it competition.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30583464</id>
	<title>Re:If the same happened in Iran or N. Korea,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262110200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, and if it happened on Mars you'd be a Martian. What's the relevance to the topic at hand?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , and if it happened on Mars you 'd be a Martian .
What 's the relevance to the topic at hand ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, and if it happened on Mars you'd be a Martian.
What's the relevance to the topic at hand?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30583664</id>
	<title>Re:First thoguht on RTFA</title>
	<author>Myopic</author>
	<datestamp>1262111040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So who is the dictator with complete power, the President or the Governor of NJ?</p><p>I mean, really, you make a quaint point, but I hope you intended for the rest of us to roll our eyes at the hyperbole.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So who is the dictator with complete power , the President or the Governor of NJ ? I mean , really , you make a quaint point , but I hope you intended for the rest of us to roll our eyes at the hyperbole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So who is the dictator with complete power, the President or the Governor of NJ?I mean, really, you make a quaint point, but I hope you intended for the rest of us to roll our eyes at the hyperbole.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582624</id>
	<title>Re:H-1B is a Fraud</title>
	<author>gbjbaanb</author>
	<datestamp>1262105760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not necessarily. Someone with the gumption to search the world for jobs lives in a country where the exchange rate, quality of life and governmental concept of human rights is poor. Those Indian programmers who want to come to the west to work aren't doing so because they want to work hard, generally they want the mega salaries (compared to local rates) that they'll get. If you paid them the same as they had at home they wouldn't bother.</p><p>Fortunately, paying them half the rate for local workers is still a mega rate for them so the owners of the local companies will happily get them over and put you on to the unemployment queue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not necessarily .
Someone with the gumption to search the world for jobs lives in a country where the exchange rate , quality of life and governmental concept of human rights is poor .
Those Indian programmers who want to come to the west to work are n't doing so because they want to work hard , generally they want the mega salaries ( compared to local rates ) that they 'll get .
If you paid them the same as they had at home they would n't bother.Fortunately , paying them half the rate for local workers is still a mega rate for them so the owners of the local companies will happily get them over and put you on to the unemployment queue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not necessarily.
Someone with the gumption to search the world for jobs lives in a country where the exchange rate, quality of life and governmental concept of human rights is poor.
Those Indian programmers who want to come to the west to work aren't doing so because they want to work hard, generally they want the mega salaries (compared to local rates) that they'll get.
If you paid them the same as they had at home they wouldn't bother.Fortunately, paying them half the rate for local workers is still a mega rate for them so the owners of the local companies will happily get them over and put you on to the unemployment queue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30581882</id>
	<title>hmmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262101500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>... this is odd play for the federation</htmltext>
<tokenext>... this is odd play for the federation</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... this is odd play for the federation</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582282</id>
	<title>What we need to know.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262103900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.freemoviescinema.com/movies/documentary/2598-fall-of-the-republic-the-presidency-of-barack-h-obama-2009.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.freemoviescinema.com/movies/documentary/2598-fall-of-the-republic-the-presidency-of-barack-h-obama-2009.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.freemoviescinema.com/movies/documentary/2598-fall-of-the-republic-the-presidency-of-barack-h-obama-2009.html</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30583854</id>
	<title>Re:Job Reclaimation, not creation.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262111820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't like Obama (or any 2-party-elected pressy) as much as the next crazy hippie radical, but closing ourselves off to the rest of the world is about the worst idea ever. Face it, everyone on the planet can communicate instantly, and there seems to be no way to stop this from happening (see: all the failed attempts at internet censorship). The internet provides a channel of communication unparalleled in human history, and our legislation needs to recognize that, not bury our heads in sand and ignore it. And no multinational corporations? Every corporation is practically multinational because of how simple and cheap it is to get a world-wide online presence. And the people in the US were better off when our government wasn't run by the highest bidder, not when we were isolationist.</p><p>Your soapbox smells of fear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't like Obama ( or any 2-party-elected pressy ) as much as the next crazy hippie radical , but closing ourselves off to the rest of the world is about the worst idea ever .
Face it , everyone on the planet can communicate instantly , and there seems to be no way to stop this from happening ( see : all the failed attempts at internet censorship ) .
The internet provides a channel of communication unparalleled in human history , and our legislation needs to recognize that , not bury our heads in sand and ignore it .
And no multinational corporations ?
Every corporation is practically multinational because of how simple and cheap it is to get a world-wide online presence .
And the people in the US were better off when our government was n't run by the highest bidder , not when we were isolationist.Your soapbox smells of fear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't like Obama (or any 2-party-elected pressy) as much as the next crazy hippie radical, but closing ourselves off to the rest of the world is about the worst idea ever.
Face it, everyone on the planet can communicate instantly, and there seems to be no way to stop this from happening (see: all the failed attempts at internet censorship).
The internet provides a channel of communication unparalleled in human history, and our legislation needs to recognize that, not bury our heads in sand and ignore it.
And no multinational corporations?
Every corporation is practically multinational because of how simple and cheap it is to get a world-wide online presence.
And the people in the US were better off when our government wasn't run by the highest bidder, not when we were isolationist.Your soapbox smells of fear.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582026</id>
	<title>H-1B is a Fraud</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262102340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How can we be so short of American programmers and other IT people that we need to import foreigners in the middle of this awful recession?</p><p>We aren't. It's fraud. It's meant to reduce your salary.</p><p>It's the kind of fraud that Indians have ingrained in to their culture and Americans seem to get better at every day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How can we be so short of American programmers and other IT people that we need to import foreigners in the middle of this awful recession ? We are n't .
It 's fraud .
It 's meant to reduce your salary.It 's the kind of fraud that Indians have ingrained in to their culture and Americans seem to get better at every day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How can we be so short of American programmers and other IT people that we need to import foreigners in the middle of this awful recession?We aren't.
It's fraud.
It's meant to reduce your salary.It's the kind of fraud that Indians have ingrained in to their culture and Americans seem to get better at every day.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30589268</id>
	<title>Re:First thoguht on RTFA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262094900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you want to only use that particular clause of the definition, it would seem to apply to the "global warming" group as well.  Using the complete definition, there's no fascism here...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want to only use that particular clause of the definition , it would seem to apply to the " global warming " group as well .
Using the complete definition , there 's no fascism here.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want to only use that particular clause of the definition, it would seem to apply to the "global warming" group as well.
Using the complete definition, there's no fascism here...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30587124</id>
	<title>Re:First thoguht on RTFA</title>
	<author>cyber-dragon.net</author>
	<datestamp>1262084100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We call him a president, not a dictator, it sounds better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We call him a president , not a dictator , it sounds better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We call him a president, not a dictator, it sounds better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582212</id>
	<title>Re:H-1B is a Fraud</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262103420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>&lt;quote&gt;&lt;p&gt;How can we be so short of American programmers and other IT people that we need to import foreigners in the middle of this awful recession?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We aren't. It's fraud. It's meant to reduce your salary.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It's the kind of fraud that Indians have ingrained in to their culture and Americans seem to get better at every day.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/quote&gt;<br><br>I'll bite.<br><br>Someone with the gumption to search the world for jobs probably has the will to work hard. There are too many native programmers who whine if given a task that falls slightly out of their comfort zone or job description.<br><br>Course that's not always the case, but its how many employers see it. The attitude should be "damn, its a recession, I should work harder" rather than "damn, its a recession, let me kick out the competition"<br></tt></div>
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<tokenext>How can we be so short of American programmers and other IT people that we need to import foreigners in the middle of this awful recession ? We are n't .
It 's fraud .
It 's meant to reduce your salary.It 's the kind of fraud that Indians have ingrained in to their culture and Americans seem to get better at every day.I 'll bite.Someone with the gumption to search the world for jobs probably has the will to work hard .
There are too many native programmers who whine if given a task that falls slightly out of their comfort zone or job description.Course that 's not always the case , but its how many employers see it .
The attitude should be " damn , its a recession , I should work harder " rather than " damn , its a recession , let me kick out the competition "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How can we be so short of American programmers and other IT people that we need to import foreigners in the middle of this awful recession?We aren't.
It's fraud.
It's meant to reduce your salary.It's the kind of fraud that Indians have ingrained in to their culture and Americans seem to get better at every day.I'll bite.Someone with the gumption to search the world for jobs probably has the will to work hard.
There are too many native programmers who whine if given a task that falls slightly out of their comfort zone or job description.Course that's not always the case, but its how many employers see it.
The attitude should be "damn, its a recession, I should work harder" rather than "damn, its a recession, let me kick out the competition"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582100</id>
	<title>First thoguht on RTFA</title>
	<author>DragonFodder</author>
	<datestamp>1262102760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>fascism<br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>/f&#230;zm/  Spelled Pronunciation [fash-iz-uhm]<br> <br>

&ndash;noun<br>
1. 	(sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, <b>forcibly <br>
suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc.</b>, and emphasizing an aggressive <br>
nationalism and often racism.<br> <br>

Courtesy of Dictionary.com</htmltext>
<tokenext>fascism /f   zm/ Spelled Pronunciation [ fash-iz-uhm ]    noun 1 .
( sometimes initial capital letter ) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power , forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism , regimenting all industry , commerce , etc. , and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism .
Courtesy of Dictionary.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>fascism /fæzm/  Spelled Pronunciation [fash-iz-uhm] 

–noun
1.
(sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly 
suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive 
nationalism and often racism.
Courtesy of Dictionary.com</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30584430</id>
	<title>Re:First thoguht on RTFA</title>
	<author>Artifakt</author>
	<datestamp>1262114700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I always though people bold parts of a definition because definitions are often complex, and in particular, have conditional parts. The definition you're addressing does have such parts (i.e. "often racism" and arguably ".etc"). You may note that Azaris boldfaced one of the conditional parts, and if you leave off that optional 'racism' part, is making the argument that there's no aggressive nationalism going on around here that could lend support to the definition of fascism being true now. Rather an odd claim to make, isn't that?</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Regimenting industry means what it means. Taken at the most literal, it means something like arranging industries so they fall into neat groupings. I think "for the purposes of the arranger" is pretty much a 'gimmee' there, so if the arranger is the government, it moves a shade towards your 'taking control', but that's not exactly 100\% overlap with the variation you propose.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Would you agree that there are a lot of people who move back and forth from industry boardrooms to government positions, often repeatedly? How do you tell industry taking control of government from government taking control of industry, when it's really the same people acting in the same way as they shift locations? Right now, Dick Cheney is reaping the benefits as a private citizen that began when he was secretary of Defense (if not earlier), were implemented in part while he was a board member of Haliburton up to 2000, and were still being developed during the period he re-entered public office as Veep.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; You might want to study the German and Italian cases, as that's exactly the sort of thing that happened there - highly placed officials either moving back and forth from industry to government or using transparent proxies such as close relatives to control such industries while remaining in government (or vice versa). Don't worry about whether a given regimentation starts in industry or government, look at the people who drive the changes, what they want, and where they are going.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; You know, Eisenhower didn't coin the phrase "Military-Industrial Complex" so people could still demand that it all originate with one side or the other. The whole point is they are blended together too much to know which initiatives start with the official government and which start elsewhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I always though people bold parts of a definition because definitions are often complex , and in particular , have conditional parts .
The definition you 're addressing does have such parts ( i.e .
" often racism " and arguably " .etc " ) .
You may note that Azaris boldfaced one of the conditional parts , and if you leave off that optional 'racism ' part , is making the argument that there 's no aggressive nationalism going on around here that could lend support to the definition of fascism being true now .
Rather an odd claim to make , is n't that ?
        Regimenting industry means what it means .
Taken at the most literal , it means something like arranging industries so they fall into neat groupings .
I think " for the purposes of the arranger " is pretty much a 'gimmee ' there , so if the arranger is the government , it moves a shade towards your 'taking control ' , but that 's not exactly 100 \ % overlap with the variation you propose .
        Would you agree that there are a lot of people who move back and forth from industry boardrooms to government positions , often repeatedly ?
How do you tell industry taking control of government from government taking control of industry , when it 's really the same people acting in the same way as they shift locations ?
Right now , Dick Cheney is reaping the benefits as a private citizen that began when he was secretary of Defense ( if not earlier ) , were implemented in part while he was a board member of Haliburton up to 2000 , and were still being developed during the period he re-entered public office as Veep .
        You might want to study the German and Italian cases , as that 's exactly the sort of thing that happened there - highly placed officials either moving back and forth from industry to government or using transparent proxies such as close relatives to control such industries while remaining in government ( or vice versa ) .
Do n't worry about whether a given regimentation starts in industry or government , look at the people who drive the changes , what they want , and where they are going .
      You know , Eisenhower did n't coin the phrase " Military-Industrial Complex " so people could still demand that it all originate with one side or the other .
The whole point is they are blended together too much to know which initiatives start with the official government and which start elsewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always though people bold parts of a definition because definitions are often complex, and in particular, have conditional parts.
The definition you're addressing does have such parts (i.e.
"often racism" and arguably ".etc").
You may note that Azaris boldfaced one of the conditional parts, and if you leave off that optional 'racism' part, is making the argument that there's no aggressive nationalism going on around here that could lend support to the definition of fascism being true now.
Rather an odd claim to make, isn't that?
        Regimenting industry means what it means.
Taken at the most literal, it means something like arranging industries so they fall into neat groupings.
I think "for the purposes of the arranger" is pretty much a 'gimmee' there, so if the arranger is the government, it moves a shade towards your 'taking control', but that's not exactly 100\% overlap with the variation you propose.
        Would you agree that there are a lot of people who move back and forth from industry boardrooms to government positions, often repeatedly?
How do you tell industry taking control of government from government taking control of industry, when it's really the same people acting in the same way as they shift locations?
Right now, Dick Cheney is reaping the benefits as a private citizen that began when he was secretary of Defense (if not earlier), were implemented in part while he was a board member of Haliburton up to 2000, and were still being developed during the period he re-entered public office as Veep.
        You might want to study the German and Italian cases, as that's exactly the sort of thing that happened there - highly placed officials either moving back and forth from industry to government or using transparent proxies such as close relatives to control such industries while remaining in government (or vice versa).
Don't worry about whether a given regimentation starts in industry or government, look at the people who drive the changes, what they want, and where they are going.
      You know, Eisenhower didn't coin the phrase "Military-Industrial Complex" so people could still demand that it all originate with one side or the other.
The whole point is they are blended together too much to know which initiatives start with the official government and which start elsewhere.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582926</id>
	<title>Re:If the same happened in Iran or N. Korea,</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1262107560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What sort of media do you think Rolling Stone is?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What sort of media do you think Rolling Stone is ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What sort of media do you think Rolling Stone is?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30583746</id>
	<title>Re:First thoguht on RTFA</title>
	<author>SnapShot</author>
	<datestamp>1262111340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's a definition from someone who should know:</p><blockquote><div><p>&ldquo;Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power&rdquo;</p><p>- Benito Mussolini</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's a definition from someone who should know :    Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power    - Benito Mussolini</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's a definition from someone who should know:“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”- Benito Mussolini
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582514</id>
	<title>Re:First thoguht on RTFA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262105160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>fascism<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/f&#230;zm/  Spelled Pronunciation [fash-iz-uhm]



&ndash;noun

1. 	(sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, <b>forcibly

suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc.</b>, and emphasizing an aggressive

nationalism and often racism.



Courtesy of Dictionary.com</p></div><p>"You're either with us or against us" sounded like aggressive nationalism to me.  It means you are either my good friend or my bitter enemy and there is no middle ground, no neutrality.
<br> <br>
I haven't named a single name, only quoted something that was an official statement from the Office of the Presidency.  Because that phrase happened to have been uttered by a prior administration, I'll wait and see if any knee-jerk reactive types (i.e. idiots, even if they have high IQs) assume that this is an endorsement of anyone.  "Hey, he didn't like something about the previous president, that must mean he loves the current one and there is no other possibility!"  Isn't that how the thinking goes, you partisan fucks?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>fascism /f   zm/ Spelled Pronunciation [ fash-iz-uhm ]    noun 1 .
( sometimes initial capital letter ) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power , forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism , regimenting all industry , commerce , etc. , and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism .
Courtesy of Dictionary.com " You 're either with us or against us " sounded like aggressive nationalism to me .
It means you are either my good friend or my bitter enemy and there is no middle ground , no neutrality .
I have n't named a single name , only quoted something that was an official statement from the Office of the Presidency .
Because that phrase happened to have been uttered by a prior administration , I 'll wait and see if any knee-jerk reactive types ( i.e .
idiots , even if they have high IQs ) assume that this is an endorsement of anyone .
" Hey , he did n't like something about the previous president , that must mean he loves the current one and there is no other possibility !
" Is n't that how the thinking goes , you partisan fucks ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>fascism /fæzm/  Spelled Pronunciation [fash-iz-uhm]



–noun

1.
(sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly

suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive

nationalism and often racism.
Courtesy of Dictionary.com"You're either with us or against us" sounded like aggressive nationalism to me.
It means you are either my good friend or my bitter enemy and there is no middle ground, no neutrality.
I haven't named a single name, only quoted something that was an official statement from the Office of the Presidency.
Because that phrase happened to have been uttered by a prior administration, I'll wait and see if any knee-jerk reactive types (i.e.
idiots, even if they have high IQs) assume that this is an endorsement of anyone.
"Hey, he didn't like something about the previous president, that must mean he loves the current one and there is no other possibility!
"  Isn't that how the thinking goes, you partisan fucks?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30583096</id>
	<title>Re:suggestion</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1262108340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The field of <b>good</b> software engineers is alive and well, with a high barrier to entry and people making over $100,000 a year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The field of good software engineers is alive and well , with a high barrier to entry and people making over $ 100,000 a year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The field of good software engineers is alive and well, with a high barrier to entry and people making over $100,000 a year.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30586474</id>
	<title>1st Amendment Violation?</title>
	<author>LifesABeach</author>
	<datestamp>1262080800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Gasp, I RTFA.  It appears that Apex Technology Group Inc., has already admitted ownership in sponsoring a type of Fraud, and or Uncompensated Indenturement, their main issue is the public being made aware of it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Gasp , I RTFA .
It appears that Apex Technology Group Inc. , has already admitted ownership in sponsoring a type of Fraud , and or Uncompensated Indenturement , their main issue is the public being made aware of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gasp, I RTFA.
It appears that Apex Technology Group Inc., has already admitted ownership in sponsoring a type of Fraud, and or Uncompensated Indenturement, their main issue is the public being made aware of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30583278</id>
	<title>Re:If the same happened in Iran or N. Korea,</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1262109240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I stopped reading Rolling Stone after they called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam\_Clayton" title="wikipedia.org">Adam Clayton</a> [wikipedia.org] "uninspired". He's a bassist, damn it, not some aural equivalent of van Gogh who's holding back.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I stopped reading Rolling Stone after they called Adam Clayton [ wikipedia.org ] " uninspired " .
He 's a bassist , damn it , not some aural equivalent of van Gogh who 's holding back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I stopped reading Rolling Stone after they called Adam Clayton [wikipedia.org] "uninspired".
He's a bassist, damn it, not some aural equivalent of van Gogh who's holding back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582828</id>
	<title>Re:H-1B is a Fraud</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262106900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bull !<br>Foreigners can come to the U.S. and work because they:<br>a) They are allowed to.<br>b) Get higher wages in the U.S. than in their own country.<br>c) They can then afford to retire in their own country.</p><p>Where as Americans can not work overseas because:<br>a) Other countries have stricter immigration and work visa requirements.<br>b) They would not get paid as well working over seas.<br>c) Americans are to retire in America.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bull ! Foreigners can come to the U.S. and work because they : a ) They are allowed to.b ) Get higher wages in the U.S. than in their own country.c ) They can then afford to retire in their own country.Where as Americans can not work overseas because : a ) Other countries have stricter immigration and work visa requirements.b ) They would not get paid as well working over seas.c ) Americans are to retire in America .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bull !Foreigners can come to the U.S. and work because they:a) They are allowed to.b) Get higher wages in the U.S. than in their own country.c) They can then afford to retire in their own country.Where as Americans can not work overseas because:a) Other countries have stricter immigration and work visa requirements.b) They would not get paid as well working over seas.c) Americans are to retire in America.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582180</id>
	<title>Make them citizens already.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262103240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>H1-B is meant to bring Indians into the USA and have them by the short hairs.  I rather think that if an employer wants to bring someone onboard to the USA, they can, and should, without restriction, but, once you work in the USA, and pay taxes for six months, you should be made a citizen already.</p><p>Taxation without representation is not fair.</p><p>I thought we revolted from GB over that very issue, and it is despicable that we even tolerate this modern form of indentured servitude.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>H1-B is meant to bring Indians into the USA and have them by the short hairs .
I rather think that if an employer wants to bring someone onboard to the USA , they can , and should , without restriction , but , once you work in the USA , and pay taxes for six months , you should be made a citizen already.Taxation without representation is not fair.I thought we revolted from GB over that very issue , and it is despicable that we even tolerate this modern form of indentured servitude .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>H1-B is meant to bring Indians into the USA and have them by the short hairs.
I rather think that if an employer wants to bring someone onboard to the USA, they can, and should, without restriction, but, once you work in the USA, and pay taxes for six months, you should be made a citizen already.Taxation without representation is not fair.I thought we revolted from GB over that very issue, and it is despicable that we even tolerate this modern form of indentured servitude.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582948</id>
	<title>Re:First amendment</title>
	<author>jbolden</author>
	<datestamp>1262107680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The judge is the one violating the first amendment here.  The court order by itself.  The company in this case may have requested the court's assistance but it never should have been granted on first amendment grounds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The judge is the one violating the first amendment here .
The court order by itself .
The company in this case may have requested the court 's assistance but it never should have been granted on first amendment grounds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The judge is the one violating the first amendment here.
The court order by itself.
The company in this case may have requested the court's assistance but it never should have been granted on first amendment grounds.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582194</id>
	<title>Copyright Infringement and Libel</title>
	<author>Adrian Lopez</author>
	<datestamp>1262103360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're suing for copyright infringement as well as libel? Please tell me there's something more to the libel allegations than just the posting of the contract. Otherwise, they're either suing for libel over the posting of a legitimate document or suing for copyright infringement over a document they do not own.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're suing for copyright infringement as well as libel ?
Please tell me there 's something more to the libel allegations than just the posting of the contract .
Otherwise , they 're either suing for libel over the posting of a legitimate document or suing for copyright infringement over a document they do not own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're suing for copyright infringement as well as libel?
Please tell me there's something more to the libel allegations than just the posting of the contract.
Otherwise, they're either suing for libel over the posting of a legitimate document or suing for copyright infringement over a document they do not own.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582102</id>
	<title>First amendment</title>
	<author>jbolden</author>
	<datestamp>1262102760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is this not clear cut first amendment?  A collection of websites expresses a political opinion.  A potentially tort-able act, distributing a copyrighted document occurred.  That doesn't give the courts the right to issue a blanket cease publication order.</p><p>Assuming the Computer World story is correct Judge James Hurley should be removed from the bench.  I want to post this here for comment, since I live in NJ and thus have a state Senator that has oversight.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is this not clear cut first amendment ?
A collection of websites expresses a political opinion .
A potentially tort-able act , distributing a copyrighted document occurred .
That does n't give the courts the right to issue a blanket cease publication order.Assuming the Computer World story is correct Judge James Hurley should be removed from the bench .
I want to post this here for comment , since I live in NJ and thus have a state Senator that has oversight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is this not clear cut first amendment?
A collection of websites expresses a political opinion.
A potentially tort-able act, distributing a copyrighted document occurred.
That doesn't give the courts the right to issue a blanket cease publication order.Assuming the Computer World story is correct Judge James Hurley should be removed from the bench.
I want to post this here for comment, since I live in NJ and thus have a state Senator that has oversight.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30587588</id>
	<title>Re:First thoguht on RTFA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262085660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except they're suppressing nationalist and anti-immigrant opinions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except they 're suppressing nationalist and anti-immigrant opinions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except they're suppressing nationalist and anti-immigrant opinions.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582276</id>
	<title>Re:First amendment</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1262103840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, I'd just say it's a property rights issue. It'd be first amendment if the government were trying to silence them, but it seems this is in response to a private company trying to silence them through the courts. Note any less important, just a different issue. Criticism is on private property, isn't false, thus forcing them to take it down is violating their property rights.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I 'd just say it 's a property rights issue .
It 'd be first amendment if the government were trying to silence them , but it seems this is in response to a private company trying to silence them through the courts .
Note any less important , just a different issue .
Criticism is on private property , is n't false , thus forcing them to take it down is violating their property rights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I'd just say it's a property rights issue.
It'd be first amendment if the government were trying to silence them, but it seems this is in response to a private company trying to silence them through the courts.
Note any less important, just a different issue.
Criticism is on private property, isn't false, thus forcing them to take it down is violating their property rights.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582170</id>
	<title>suggestion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262103180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe the US needs something akin to a license for software engineers.  The barrier to entry in this field is too low.</p><p>While I have done very well over the last 23 years in this field, I would not recommend the investment in a CS degree alone to my children.  Be an entrepreneur,  doctor, plumber, electrician, nuclear engineer as your main profession.</p><p>CS is a useful SECONDARY profession because it gives you the tools to support your main endeavor.</p><p>Due to globalization the field is  too unstable and vulnerable to be a main gig, IMO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe the US needs something akin to a license for software engineers .
The barrier to entry in this field is too low.While I have done very well over the last 23 years in this field , I would not recommend the investment in a CS degree alone to my children .
Be an entrepreneur , doctor , plumber , electrician , nuclear engineer as your main profession.CS is a useful SECONDARY profession because it gives you the tools to support your main endeavor.Due to globalization the field is too unstable and vulnerable to be a main gig , IMO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe the US needs something akin to a license for software engineers.
The barrier to entry in this field is too low.While I have done very well over the last 23 years in this field, I would not recommend the investment in a CS degree alone to my children.
Be an entrepreneur,  doctor, plumber, electrician, nuclear engineer as your main profession.CS is a useful SECONDARY profession because it gives you the tools to support your main endeavor.Due to globalization the field is  too unstable and vulnerable to be a main gig, IMO.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582298</id>
	<title>If the same happened in Iran or N. Korea,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262104020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Western media would have magnified it 10 times and portrayed the country as having a tyrannous dictatorship. Before modding this post, make yourself aware of <a href="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/8798997/the\_man\_who\_sold\_the\_war/" title="rollingstone.com" rel="nofollow">the extent of success in ongoing propaganda and manipulation</a> [rollingstone.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Western media would have magnified it 10 times and portrayed the country as having a tyrannous dictatorship .
Before modding this post , make yourself aware of the extent of success in ongoing propaganda and manipulation [ rollingstone.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Western media would have magnified it 10 times and portrayed the country as having a tyrannous dictatorship.
Before modding this post, make yourself aware of the extent of success in ongoing propaganda and manipulation [rollingstone.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30586744</id>
	<title>security/privacy?</title>
	<author>Fnord666</author>
	<datestamp>1262082180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If this order stands, it will rob the security every American expects when they post complaints anonymously or express their opinions on-line.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Seriously?  Does every American expect that? Do any Americans expect that?  Does anyone in the world expect that?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If this order stands , it will rob the security every American expects when they post complaints anonymously or express their opinions on-line .
Seriously ? Does every American expect that ?
Do any Americans expect that ?
Does anyone in the world expect that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this order stands, it will rob the security every American expects when they post complaints anonymously or express their opinions on-line.
Seriously?  Does every American expect that?
Do any Americans expect that?
Does anyone in the world expect that?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582872</id>
	<title>Re:First amendment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262107320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is...the Judge that issued the order may not actually have credible jurisdiction as it is really a Federal Court level matter that we're all discussing.  Why the ISPs even gave the Court the time of day (You don't have Jurisdiction here...  If none of the defendants reside within or did business within the confines of New Jersey (which it strongly sounds is the case...) then the Judge doesn't even remotely have it in this cause...) still eludes me on this one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is...the Judge that issued the order may not actually have credible jurisdiction as it is really a Federal Court level matter that we 're all discussing .
Why the ISPs even gave the Court the time of day ( You do n't have Jurisdiction here... If none of the defendants reside within or did business within the confines of New Jersey ( which it strongly sounds is the case... ) then the Judge does n't even remotely have it in this cause... ) still eludes me on this one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is...the Judge that issued the order may not actually have credible jurisdiction as it is really a Federal Court level matter that we're all discussing.
Why the ISPs even gave the Court the time of day (You don't have Jurisdiction here...  If none of the defendants reside within or did business within the confines of New Jersey (which it strongly sounds is the case...) then the Judge doesn't even remotely have it in this cause...) still eludes me on this one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30585324</id>
	<title>Re:Job Reclaimation, not creation.</title>
	<author>Domini</author>
	<datestamp>1262118900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As far as I was aware the democrats/Obama administration were more against visa holders than the republican opposition.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As far as I was aware the democrats/Obama administration were more against visa holders than the republican opposition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As far as I was aware the democrats/Obama administration were more against visa holders than the republican opposition.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30587976</id>
	<title>Re:suggestion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262087040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>CS is a great field.  If you are good at it people will hire you and hold on to you like you're a 10 carat diamond.  If you suck at it you chose the wrong field and maybe you should be a plumber.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CS is a great field .
If you are good at it people will hire you and hold on to you like you 're a 10 carat diamond .
If you suck at it you chose the wrong field and maybe you should be a plumber .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CS is a great field.
If you are good at it people will hire you and hold on to you like you're a 10 carat diamond.
If you suck at it you chose the wrong field and maybe you should be a plumber.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582170</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582826</id>
	<title>Re:Job Reclaimation, not creation.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262106900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>banning of multinational corporations</p><p>That's the class of comment that just makes a good morning smile. But, sounds good, eh !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>banning of multinational corporationsThat 's the class of comment that just makes a good morning smile .
But , sounds good , eh !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>banning of multinational corporationsThat's the class of comment that just makes a good morning smile.
But, sounds good, eh !</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582162</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30591476</id>
	<title>Re:Make them citizens already.</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1259833680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I rather think that if an employer wants to bring someone onboard to the USA, they can, and should, without restriction, but, once you work in the USA, and pay taxes for six months, you should be made a citizen already.</p></div><p>To be honest, the amount of time it takes to become a citizen isn't really a big issue (though it may be worth taking a clue from the more streamlined process with reasonable deadlines as seen in e.g. Canada). It's reasonable to expect some more stringent requirements on amount of time spent in the country doing skilled work, if only to assure proper integration and professional level.</p><p>To fix H1-B issues, just make it so that a person on work visa can change jobs freely so long as pay is within a certain margin of the original (to prevent frauds such as hiring by a fictitious IT company, and then "changing" job to janitor next day after arrival), and that does the trick. The only reason why there is a potential for H1-B abuse is because if they leave, get laid off, or fired from their place of work, they get a few days to pack, and that's it.</p><p>Taxation is fine so long as person sees the proper benefits of it (as it is, H1-Bs pay all taxes American citizens do, but aren't covered by any public social welfare programs). Once again worth looking at Canada, which does that one right.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I rather think that if an employer wants to bring someone onboard to the USA , they can , and should , without restriction , but , once you work in the USA , and pay taxes for six months , you should be made a citizen already.To be honest , the amount of time it takes to become a citizen is n't really a big issue ( though it may be worth taking a clue from the more streamlined process with reasonable deadlines as seen in e.g .
Canada ) . It 's reasonable to expect some more stringent requirements on amount of time spent in the country doing skilled work , if only to assure proper integration and professional level.To fix H1-B issues , just make it so that a person on work visa can change jobs freely so long as pay is within a certain margin of the original ( to prevent frauds such as hiring by a fictitious IT company , and then " changing " job to janitor next day after arrival ) , and that does the trick .
The only reason why there is a potential for H1-B abuse is because if they leave , get laid off , or fired from their place of work , they get a few days to pack , and that 's it.Taxation is fine so long as person sees the proper benefits of it ( as it is , H1-Bs pay all taxes American citizens do , but are n't covered by any public social welfare programs ) .
Once again worth looking at Canada , which does that one right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I rather think that if an employer wants to bring someone onboard to the USA, they can, and should, without restriction, but, once you work in the USA, and pay taxes for six months, you should be made a citizen already.To be honest, the amount of time it takes to become a citizen isn't really a big issue (though it may be worth taking a clue from the more streamlined process with reasonable deadlines as seen in e.g.
Canada). It's reasonable to expect some more stringent requirements on amount of time spent in the country doing skilled work, if only to assure proper integration and professional level.To fix H1-B issues, just make it so that a person on work visa can change jobs freely so long as pay is within a certain margin of the original (to prevent frauds such as hiring by a fictitious IT company, and then "changing" job to janitor next day after arrival), and that does the trick.
The only reason why there is a potential for H1-B abuse is because if they leave, get laid off, or fired from their place of work, they get a few days to pack, and that's it.Taxation is fine so long as person sees the proper benefits of it (as it is, H1-Bs pay all taxes American citizens do, but aren't covered by any public social welfare programs).
Once again worth looking at Canada, which does that one right.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582134</id>
	<title>VDARE article on all this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262102880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the first comment in the Computer World article, <a href="http://www.vdare.com/sanchez/091227\_tunnel\_rat.htm" title="vdare.com" rel="nofollow">an item from the VDARE website</a> [vdare.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the first comment in the Computer World article , an item from the VDARE website [ vdare.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the first comment in the Computer World article, an item from the VDARE website [vdare.com].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30583752</id>
	<title>Re:Copyright Infringement and Libel</title>
	<author>snowgirl</author>
	<datestamp>1262111400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They're suing for copyright infringement as well as libel? Please tell me there's something more to the libel allegations than just the posting of the contract. Otherwise, they're either suing for libel over the posting of a legitimate document or suing for copyright infringement over a document they do not own.</p></div><p>Yes, the two are separate claims.  First the claim is copyright infringement for releasing a contract of theirs, and second is the libel claim for comments made my anonymous posters at the three relevant websites.</p><p>It's likely that since the websites refuse to comply with producing the names of the individual tortfeasors that the court is holding the websites themselves liable for the libel by shutting them down.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're suing for copyright infringement as well as libel ?
Please tell me there 's something more to the libel allegations than just the posting of the contract .
Otherwise , they 're either suing for libel over the posting of a legitimate document or suing for copyright infringement over a document they do not own.Yes , the two are separate claims .
First the claim is copyright infringement for releasing a contract of theirs , and second is the libel claim for comments made my anonymous posters at the three relevant websites.It 's likely that since the websites refuse to comply with producing the names of the individual tortfeasors that the court is holding the websites themselves liable for the libel by shutting them down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're suing for copyright infringement as well as libel?
Please tell me there's something more to the libel allegations than just the posting of the contract.
Otherwise, they're either suing for libel over the posting of a legitimate document or suing for copyright infringement over a document they do not own.Yes, the two are separate claims.
First the claim is copyright infringement for releasing a contract of theirs, and second is the libel claim for comments made my anonymous posters at the three relevant websites.It's likely that since the websites refuse to comply with producing the names of the individual tortfeasors that the court is holding the websites themselves liable for the libel by shutting them down.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30609406</id>
	<title>where is the rest of the story?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262251740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Arent you going to report the rest of the story. How about all the personal and racist remarks posted on itgrunt.com against specific persons (which was also ordered shut down)?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Arent you going to report the rest of the story .
How about all the personal and racist remarks posted on itgrunt.com against specific persons ( which was also ordered shut down ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Arent you going to report the rest of the story.
How about all the personal and racist remarks posted on itgrunt.com against specific persons (which was also ordered shut down)?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582274</id>
	<title>Re:Job Reclaimation, not creation.</title>
	<author>Thanshin</author>
	<datestamp>1262103840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>reclaiming our outsourced jobs, canceling all worker visas, banning of outsourcing, banning of multinational corporations, and fighting illegal immigration with the greater enthusiasm than drugs and terrorism.</p></div><p>That would be so fun...</p><p>Watching the states committing economic suicide, becoming unable to sell below any other country's prices or being forced to cut its entire workforce's salaries to china ranges.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>reclaiming our outsourced jobs , canceling all worker visas , banning of outsourcing , banning of multinational corporations , and fighting illegal immigration with the greater enthusiasm than drugs and terrorism.That would be so fun...Watching the states committing economic suicide , becoming unable to sell below any other country 's prices or being forced to cut its entire workforce 's salaries to china ranges .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>reclaiming our outsourced jobs, canceling all worker visas, banning of outsourcing, banning of multinational corporations, and fighting illegal immigration with the greater enthusiasm than drugs and terrorism.That would be so fun...Watching the states committing economic suicide, becoming unable to sell below any other country's prices or being forced to cut its entire workforce's salaries to china ranges.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582162</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30588692</id>
	<title>Short Hairs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262090760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The "short hairs" angle is very real and ripe for abuse.</p><p>I've been in the position of waiting to see if a proposal comes through, and knowing that if it doesn't, my contract would end at the end of the month.  So would my visa.  So, I'd have to pack up the house and kids (in the middle of the school year) and get on a plane back to the USA.  I'd have no house, no job, no healthcare for the wife with some chronic medical problems.  It would not have been fun.</p><p>In that case, the decision was external and I was actually getting good internal support.  (They were just running out of money, that's all.)  But I lost a lot of sleep over it.   And, it's really easy to imagine a boss being tempted to take advantage of the possibility.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The " short hairs " angle is very real and ripe for abuse.I 've been in the position of waiting to see if a proposal comes through , and knowing that if it does n't , my contract would end at the end of the month .
So would my visa .
So , I 'd have to pack up the house and kids ( in the middle of the school year ) and get on a plane back to the USA .
I 'd have no house , no job , no healthcare for the wife with some chronic medical problems .
It would not have been fun.In that case , the decision was external and I was actually getting good internal support .
( They were just running out of money , that 's all .
) But I lost a lot of sleep over it .
And , it 's really easy to imagine a boss being tempted to take advantage of the possibility .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "short hairs" angle is very real and ripe for abuse.I've been in the position of waiting to see if a proposal comes through, and knowing that if it doesn't, my contract would end at the end of the month.
So would my visa.
So, I'd have to pack up the house and kids (in the middle of the school year) and get on a plane back to the USA.
I'd have no house, no job, no healthcare for the wife with some chronic medical problems.
It would not have been fun.In that case, the decision was external and I was actually getting good internal support.
(They were just running out of money, that's all.
)  But I lost a lot of sleep over it.
And, it's really easy to imagine a boss being tempted to take advantage of the possibility.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582912</id>
	<title>Re:Job Reclaimation, not creation.</title>
	<author>orzetto</author>
	<datestamp>1262107500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's nice to see how Slashdot's libertarian groupthink does a complete protectionist flipover when it's the IT jobs on the line. This is the competition, stupid! Work harder and shut up.</p><blockquote><div><p>I would really like to see a guy run against Obama in 2012 on the premise of reclaiming our outsourced jobs, canceling all worker visas, banning of outsourcing, banning of multinational corporations, and fighting illegal immigration with the greater enthusiasm than drugs and terrorism.</p></div></blockquote><p>And I would like to see which corporation would fund his campaign.</p><blockquote><div><p>The fact is, the people of the US were better off when we were mostly isolationist [...]</p></div></blockquote><p>You don't get it, do you? It's not about the people, it's about the money. People with money <em>are</em> better off with illegal people around whom they can hire at slave-like conditions. That brings down the wage level of the entire market. You, sir, count nothing because you don't have enough money, and that is a fault. Don't like it? Move to Canada, hippie.</p><p>(This post could contain traces of irony. And nuts.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's nice to see how Slashdot 's libertarian groupthink does a complete protectionist flipover when it 's the IT jobs on the line .
This is the competition , stupid !
Work harder and shut up.I would really like to see a guy run against Obama in 2012 on the premise of reclaiming our outsourced jobs , canceling all worker visas , banning of outsourcing , banning of multinational corporations , and fighting illegal immigration with the greater enthusiasm than drugs and terrorism.And I would like to see which corporation would fund his campaign.The fact is , the people of the US were better off when we were mostly isolationist [ ... ] You do n't get it , do you ?
It 's not about the people , it 's about the money .
People with money are better off with illegal people around whom they can hire at slave-like conditions .
That brings down the wage level of the entire market .
You , sir , count nothing because you do n't have enough money , and that is a fault .
Do n't like it ?
Move to Canada , hippie .
( This post could contain traces of irony .
And nuts .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's nice to see how Slashdot's libertarian groupthink does a complete protectionist flipover when it's the IT jobs on the line.
This is the competition, stupid!
Work harder and shut up.I would really like to see a guy run against Obama in 2012 on the premise of reclaiming our outsourced jobs, canceling all worker visas, banning of outsourcing, banning of multinational corporations, and fighting illegal immigration with the greater enthusiasm than drugs and terrorism.And I would like to see which corporation would fund his campaign.The fact is, the people of the US were better off when we were mostly isolationist [...]You don't get it, do you?
It's not about the people, it's about the money.
People with money are better off with illegal people around whom they can hire at slave-like conditions.
That brings down the wage level of the entire market.
You, sir, count nothing because you don't have enough money, and that is a fault.
Don't like it?
Move to Canada, hippie.
(This post could contain traces of irony.
And nuts.
)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582464</id>
	<title>Re:First thoguht on RTFA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262104860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you have to bold a specific section of a definition so your readers will gloss over all the other constraints that don't fit then you've probably selected the wrong word for the situation at hand.  Also I thought "regimenting industry" means the Government takes over private industry, whereas what you have here is closer to the industry taking control of, or at least influencing the government.  Perhaps you should try a second thought and choose a new word?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have to bold a specific section of a definition so your readers will gloss over all the other constraints that do n't fit then you 've probably selected the wrong word for the situation at hand .
Also I thought " regimenting industry " means the Government takes over private industry , whereas what you have here is closer to the industry taking control of , or at least influencing the government .
Perhaps you should try a second thought and choose a new word ?
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have to bold a specific section of a definition so your readers will gloss over all the other constraints that don't fit then you've probably selected the wrong word for the situation at hand.
Also I thought "regimenting industry" means the Government takes over private industry, whereas what you have here is closer to the industry taking control of, or at least influencing the government.
Perhaps you should try a second thought and choose a new word?
;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30583248</id>
	<title>Re:First thoguht on RTFA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262109120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bailouts, percentage rate (price) fixing, etc.  Sounds like we are headed in that direction, if only it requires Obama to abolish the Senate</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bailouts , percentage rate ( price ) fixing , etc .
Sounds like we are headed in that direction , if only it requires Obama to abolish the Senate</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bailouts, percentage rate (price) fixing, etc.
Sounds like we are headed in that direction, if only it requires Obama to abolish the Senate</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582834</id>
	<title>Re:First amendment</title>
	<author>Svartalf</author>
	<datestamp>1262106960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not just First Amendment violations we're talking about here.</p><p>The order impacts stuff completely out of his jurisdiction.  Unfortunately, for the Judge, he's just issued an order that has National and International ramifications and at least one of the companies in question happens to be based in Scottsdale, Arizona (GoDaddy...).</p><p>HOW can a state judge issue such orders?  This is actually quite outside of his jurisdiction as best as I can tell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not just First Amendment violations we 're talking about here.The order impacts stuff completely out of his jurisdiction .
Unfortunately , for the Judge , he 's just issued an order that has National and International ramifications and at least one of the companies in question happens to be based in Scottsdale , Arizona ( GoDaddy... ) .HOW can a state judge issue such orders ?
This is actually quite outside of his jurisdiction as best as I can tell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not just First Amendment violations we're talking about here.The order impacts stuff completely out of his jurisdiction.
Unfortunately, for the Judge, he's just issued an order that has National and International ramifications and at least one of the companies in question happens to be based in Scottsdale, Arizona (GoDaddy...).HOW can a state judge issue such orders?
This is actually quite outside of his jurisdiction as best as I can tell.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30586084</id>
	<title>Re:Make them citizens already.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262078880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>H1-B is meant to bring Indians into the USA and have them by the short hairs.  I rather think that if an employer wants to bring someone onboard to the USA, they can, and should, without restriction, but, once you work in the USA, and pay taxes for six months, you should be made a citizen already.</p></div><p>Yes, well, you're an idiot.  Become a citizen after paying taxes six months?  If that typifies the brilliance of your thoughts I'd suggest your employer look into the H1B visa program to see if they can get someone brighter than you.  Shouldn't be hard and they can pay them less to boot.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>H1-B is meant to bring Indians into the USA and have them by the short hairs .
I rather think that if an employer wants to bring someone onboard to the USA , they can , and should , without restriction , but , once you work in the USA , and pay taxes for six months , you should be made a citizen already.Yes , well , you 're an idiot .
Become a citizen after paying taxes six months ?
If that typifies the brilliance of your thoughts I 'd suggest your employer look into the H1B visa program to see if they can get someone brighter than you .
Should n't be hard and they can pay them less to boot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>H1-B is meant to bring Indians into the USA and have them by the short hairs.
I rather think that if an employer wants to bring someone onboard to the USA, they can, and should, without restriction, but, once you work in the USA, and pay taxes for six months, you should be made a citizen already.Yes, well, you're an idiot.
Become a citizen after paying taxes six months?
If that typifies the brilliance of your thoughts I'd suggest your employer look into the H1B visa program to see if they can get someone brighter than you.
Shouldn't be hard and they can pay them less to boot.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30581890</id>
	<title>getting myself a glass of iced tea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262101560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think I'll enjoy sitting back and watching the information suppression fail. I was not aware of this story until they tried to suppress it.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think I 'll enjoy sitting back and watching the information suppression fail .
I was not aware of this story until they tried to suppress it .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think I'll enjoy sitting back and watching the information suppression fail.
I was not aware of this story until they tried to suppress it.
:)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30583206</id>
	<title>Re:First thoguht on RTFA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262108820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about GM, and Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the attempts at the healthcare industry?  Are these not government takeovers?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about GM , and Fannie Mae , Freddie Mac , and the attempts at the healthcare industry ?
Are these not government takeovers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about GM, and Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the attempts at the healthcare industry?
Are these not government takeovers?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582464</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30583468</id>
	<title>Re:If the same happened in Iran or N. Korea,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262110200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>North Korea is so fucked up the people that manage to escape to China and are amazed at how free it is. The thing was taken down for copyright infringement for petes sake! An overreaction yes but classic corporate bullshit, not totalitarian state tactic.<br>Stop looking for conspiracy theories in even unrelated articles you moron.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>North Korea is so fucked up the people that manage to escape to China and are amazed at how free it is .
The thing was taken down for copyright infringement for petes sake !
An overreaction yes but classic corporate bullshit , not totalitarian state tactic.Stop looking for conspiracy theories in even unrelated articles you moron .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>North Korea is so fucked up the people that manage to escape to China and are amazed at how free it is.
The thing was taken down for copyright infringement for petes sake!
An overreaction yes but classic corporate bullshit, not totalitarian state tactic.Stop looking for conspiracy theories in even unrelated articles you moron.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582298</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30583064</id>
	<title>Re:Job Reclaimation, not creation.</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1262108280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You do realize that your 200 dollar computers will start costing $800 if you ban outsourcing to China, right? And US exports will fall by about 90\% because Canada and Europe will start making their own stuff with Chinese labor? And some of the Chinese workers, no longer "exploited" by multinationals, will go back to 15 hours a day subsistence farming in the hot sun?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do realize that your 200 dollar computers will start costing $ 800 if you ban outsourcing to China , right ?
And US exports will fall by about 90 \ % because Canada and Europe will start making their own stuff with Chinese labor ?
And some of the Chinese workers , no longer " exploited " by multinationals , will go back to 15 hours a day subsistence farming in the hot sun ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do realize that your 200 dollar computers will start costing $800 if you ban outsourcing to China, right?
And US exports will fall by about 90\% because Canada and Europe will start making their own stuff with Chinese labor?
And some of the Chinese workers, no longer "exploited" by multinationals, will go back to 15 hours a day subsistence farming in the hot sun?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582162</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582944</id>
	<title>Re:Job Reclaimation, not creation.</title>
	<author>b0bby</author>
	<datestamp>1262107680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The fact is, the people of the US were better off when we were mostly isolationist and had extremely limited foreign trade partners. We were certainly better off before our government let our corporations sell us out to cheap 3rd world labor.</p></div><p>If you look at the numbers, that's just not true. For example, the census bureau has per capita money income data here:<br><a href="http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/histinc/incpertoc.html" title="census.gov">http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/histinc/incpertoc.html</a> [census.gov]<br>Look at the first one - you can see that between 1967 &amp; 2008 per capita money income, adjusted to 2008 dollars, doubled. And the years leading up to 1967 were ones of unprecedented growth in the US. The fact is, the people of the US would be much worse off if we were "mostly isolationist" and limited our trade.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact is , the people of the US were better off when we were mostly isolationist and had extremely limited foreign trade partners .
We were certainly better off before our government let our corporations sell us out to cheap 3rd world labor.If you look at the numbers , that 's just not true .
For example , the census bureau has per capita money income data here : http : //www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/histinc/incpertoc.html [ census.gov ] Look at the first one - you can see that between 1967 &amp; 2008 per capita money income , adjusted to 2008 dollars , doubled .
And the years leading up to 1967 were ones of unprecedented growth in the US .
The fact is , the people of the US would be much worse off if we were " mostly isolationist " and limited our trade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact is, the people of the US were better off when we were mostly isolationist and had extremely limited foreign trade partners.
We were certainly better off before our government let our corporations sell us out to cheap 3rd world labor.If you look at the numbers, that's just not true.
For example, the census bureau has per capita money income data here:http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/histinc/incpertoc.html [census.gov]Look at the first one - you can see that between 1967 &amp; 2008 per capita money income, adjusted to 2008 dollars, doubled.
And the years leading up to 1967 were ones of unprecedented growth in the US.
The fact is, the people of the US would be much worse off if we were "mostly isolationist" and limited our trade.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582162</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30583822</id>
	<title>Re:First thoguht on RTFA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262111640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Holy Crap!  You just defined the Obama Administration!<br> <br>
Government took over GM, Chrysler, Banks, etc.<br>
Don't like their Health Care bill?  You are a racist and hate blacks!<br>
Don't like the President because of his politics? You are a racist!<br>
Point out the fact that his Mother was a White girl from Kansas? You are a racist!<br>
Try to point out the fact that he IS African-American (Dad was from Nigeria, Mom from Kansas) and that Jessy Jackson is just a plain-old-American?  You are a racist!<br>
Don't even try to point out the fact that he is a smoker... You are a racist!<br>
<br>
See where I'm going with this...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Holy Crap !
You just defined the Obama Administration !
Government took over GM , Chrysler , Banks , etc .
Do n't like their Health Care bill ?
You are a racist and hate blacks !
Do n't like the President because of his politics ?
You are a racist !
Point out the fact that his Mother was a White girl from Kansas ?
You are a racist !
Try to point out the fact that he IS African-American ( Dad was from Nigeria , Mom from Kansas ) and that Jessy Jackson is just a plain-old-American ?
You are a racist !
Do n't even try to point out the fact that he is a smoker... You are a racist !
See where I 'm going with this.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Holy Crap!
You just defined the Obama Administration!
Government took over GM, Chrysler, Banks, etc.
Don't like their Health Care bill?
You are a racist and hate blacks!
Don't like the President because of his politics?
You are a racist!
Point out the fact that his Mother was a White girl from Kansas?
You are a racist!
Try to point out the fact that he IS African-American (Dad was from Nigeria, Mom from Kansas) and that Jessy Jackson is just a plain-old-American?
You are a racist!
Don't even try to point out the fact that he is a smoker... You are a racist!
See where I'm going with this...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582100</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30589118</id>
	<title>FAIR USE?!?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262093460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ummm... fair use! Commentary and criticism is protected speech, and thus does not apply to IP laws.</p><p>What the hell? Sounds like a judge who needs to be reported to me, yes it does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ummm... fair use !
Commentary and criticism is protected speech , and thus does not apply to IP laws.What the hell ?
Sounds like a judge who needs to be reported to me , yes it does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ummm... fair use!
Commentary and criticism is protected speech, and thus does not apply to IP laws.What the hell?
Sounds like a judge who needs to be reported to me, yes it does.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30587908</id>
	<title>Re:Job Reclaimation, not creation.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262086800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm fairly sure Linus Torvalds is skilled.</p><p>Most of the Indians I've worked with have little technical skill and an even smaller grasp of English.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm fairly sure Linus Torvalds is skilled.Most of the Indians I 've worked with have little technical skill and an even smaller grasp of English .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm fairly sure Linus Torvalds is skilled.Most of the Indians I've worked with have little technical skill and an even smaller grasp of English.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582540</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582154</id>
	<title>Re:H-1B is a Fraud</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262103060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm a student in the US. And I'm looking for a job, hopefully getting an H-1B. But as you say, in the middle of this recession, nobody is hiring, and those hiring, are hiring US Citizens mainly. So you may feel threatened, maybe because, you're not looking for a job? Because I know they are hiring in several places, but not foreigners. <br> <br>
Now, there is a hole and a law can be abused? Tell me something new!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a student in the US .
And I 'm looking for a job , hopefully getting an H-1B .
But as you say , in the middle of this recession , nobody is hiring , and those hiring , are hiring US Citizens mainly .
So you may feel threatened , maybe because , you 're not looking for a job ?
Because I know they are hiring in several places , but not foreigners .
Now , there is a hole and a law can be abused ?
Tell me something new !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a student in the US.
And I'm looking for a job, hopefully getting an H-1B.
But as you say, in the middle of this recession, nobody is hiring, and those hiring, are hiring US Citizens mainly.
So you may feel threatened, maybe because, you're not looking for a job?
Because I know they are hiring in several places, but not foreigners.
Now, there is a hole and a law can be abused?
Tell me something new!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582026</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30587768</id>
	<title>Freedom of Speech - NOT!</title>
	<author>gink1</author>
	<datestamp>1262086260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems to me that this is a direct attack on freedom of speech.</p><p>Is there some way that the freedom of speech does not apply here?</p><p>You hate the government's policy, you post your complaints on a website and then The Government takes down your site because they don't like your speech?</p><p>I smell the stink of Police State here and I cannot stand the stench!</p><p>So do you suppose now I can look forward to a 3AM visit for posting this? At least I could find out what an American Gulag looks like.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems to me that this is a direct attack on freedom of speech.Is there some way that the freedom of speech does not apply here ? You hate the government 's policy , you post your complaints on a website and then The Government takes down your site because they do n't like your speech ? I smell the stink of Police State here and I can not stand the stench ! So do you suppose now I can look forward to a 3AM visit for posting this ?
At least I could find out what an American Gulag looks like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems to me that this is a direct attack on freedom of speech.Is there some way that the freedom of speech does not apply here?You hate the government's policy, you post your complaints on a website and then The Government takes down your site because they don't like your speech?I smell the stink of Police State here and I cannot stand the stench!So do you suppose now I can look forward to a 3AM visit for posting this?
At least I could find out what an American Gulag looks like.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582162</id>
	<title>Job Reclaimation, not creation.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262103120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe if we had a president that said he was going to do something he could actually do, this wouldn't be a problem at all. The president's job isn't to create jobs, and I feel bad for all of you that voted for Obama because you thought he was going to change the country into a fully employed working class with free healthcare.</p><p>One of the biggest crocks of shit I've heard these holier than thou politicians say repeatedly, is that they are going to use our tax money to <em>create</em> jobs. Jobs that our very own government let our corporations outsource to India, Mexico, and China. I'm not sure that the term outsource fully matches with importing temporary H-1B visa immigrants to take our jobs, but I see it as part of the same problem.</p><p>I would really like to see a guy run against Obama in 2012 on the premise of <strong>reclaiming</strong> our outsourced jobs, canceling all worker visas, banning of outsourcing, banning of multinational corporations, and fighting illegal immigration with the greater enthusiasm than drugs and terrorism.</p><p>

The fact is, the people of the US were better off when we were mostly isolationist and had extremely limited foreign trade partners. We were certainly better off before our government let our corporations sell us out to cheap 3rd world labor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe if we had a president that said he was going to do something he could actually do , this would n't be a problem at all .
The president 's job is n't to create jobs , and I feel bad for all of you that voted for Obama because you thought he was going to change the country into a fully employed working class with free healthcare.One of the biggest crocks of shit I 've heard these holier than thou politicians say repeatedly , is that they are going to use our tax money to create jobs .
Jobs that our very own government let our corporations outsource to India , Mexico , and China .
I 'm not sure that the term outsource fully matches with importing temporary H-1B visa immigrants to take our jobs , but I see it as part of the same problem.I would really like to see a guy run against Obama in 2012 on the premise of reclaiming our outsourced jobs , canceling all worker visas , banning of outsourcing , banning of multinational corporations , and fighting illegal immigration with the greater enthusiasm than drugs and terrorism .
The fact is , the people of the US were better off when we were mostly isolationist and had extremely limited foreign trade partners .
We were certainly better off before our government let our corporations sell us out to cheap 3rd world labor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe if we had a president that said he was going to do something he could actually do, this wouldn't be a problem at all.
The president's job isn't to create jobs, and I feel bad for all of you that voted for Obama because you thought he was going to change the country into a fully employed working class with free healthcare.One of the biggest crocks of shit I've heard these holier than thou politicians say repeatedly, is that they are going to use our tax money to create jobs.
Jobs that our very own government let our corporations outsource to India, Mexico, and China.
I'm not sure that the term outsource fully matches with importing temporary H-1B visa immigrants to take our jobs, but I see it as part of the same problem.I would really like to see a guy run against Obama in 2012 on the premise of reclaiming our outsourced jobs, canceling all worker visas, banning of outsourcing, banning of multinational corporations, and fighting illegal immigration with the greater enthusiasm than drugs and terrorism.
The fact is, the people of the US were better off when we were mostly isolationist and had extremely limited foreign trade partners.
We were certainly better off before our government let our corporations sell us out to cheap 3rd world labor.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30583704</id>
	<title>Re:First thoguht on RTFA</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1262111220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Courtesy of Dictionary.com</i></p><p>That's not a good definition of fascism.  Mussolini certainly championed fascism before he achieved dictatorial powers.  You can have dictatorial fascism but it's not a given.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Courtesy of Dictionary.comThat 's not a good definition of fascism .
Mussolini certainly championed fascism before he achieved dictatorial powers .
You can have dictatorial fascism but it 's not a given .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Courtesy of Dictionary.comThat's not a good definition of fascism.
Mussolini certainly championed fascism before he achieved dictatorial powers.
You can have dictatorial fascism but it's not a given.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582100</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30632862</id>
	<title>Re:Job Reclaimation, not creation.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1231009200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was once asked in a phone interview what my visa status was.  I told them I was a citizen and after that point I believe I didn't have a chance to get the job.  They must have thought my last name sounded Indian or something.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was once asked in a phone interview what my visa status was .
I told them I was a citizen and after that point I believe I did n't have a chance to get the job .
They must have thought my last name sounded Indian or something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was once asked in a phone interview what my visa status was.
I told them I was a citizen and after that point I believe I didn't have a chance to get the job.
They must have thought my last name sounded Indian or something.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582540</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582540</id>
	<title>Re:Job Reclaimation, not creation.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262105280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>, canceling all worker visas, banning of outsourcing, banning of multinational corporations, and fighting illegal immigration with the greater enthusiasm than drugs and terrorism.</p></div><p>Stop being ignorant. We *need* the worlds most talented engineers to come to the US legally, work here and pay taxes. If anything, we probably need stricter hiring practices. If Americans hire crappy engineers, it isn't the engineer who is at fault for trying. Also, If you think you're so better than the Indian H1-B you should have no problem convincing any employer to give you a job. I have never seen a (US citizen) programmer who is proficient unable to get a job. If you're run of the mill average, as I suspect most of these sites' members are, then tough shit.</p><p>Btw, I'm pretty sure Linus Torvalds came here on an H1-B Visa<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>, canceling all worker visas , banning of outsourcing , banning of multinational corporations , and fighting illegal immigration with the greater enthusiasm than drugs and terrorism.Stop being ignorant .
We * need * the worlds most talented engineers to come to the US legally , work here and pay taxes .
If anything , we probably need stricter hiring practices .
If Americans hire crappy engineers , it is n't the engineer who is at fault for trying .
Also , If you think you 're so better than the Indian H1-B you should have no problem convincing any employer to give you a job .
I have never seen a ( US citizen ) programmer who is proficient unable to get a job .
If you 're run of the mill average , as I suspect most of these sites ' members are , then tough shit.Btw , I 'm pretty sure Linus Torvalds came here on an H1-B Visa ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>, canceling all worker visas, banning of outsourcing, banning of multinational corporations, and fighting illegal immigration with the greater enthusiasm than drugs and terrorism.Stop being ignorant.
We *need* the worlds most talented engineers to come to the US legally, work here and pay taxes.
If anything, we probably need stricter hiring practices.
If Americans hire crappy engineers, it isn't the engineer who is at fault for trying.
Also, If you think you're so better than the Indian H1-B you should have no problem convincing any employer to give you a job.
I have never seen a (US citizen) programmer who is proficient unable to get a job.
If you're run of the mill average, as I suspect most of these sites' members are, then tough shit.Btw, I'm pretty sure Linus Torvalds came here on an H1-B Visa ;)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582162</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30592648</id>
	<title>Re:hmmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259851860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Star Wars prequels? Really?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Star Wars prequels ?
Really ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Star Wars prequels?
Really?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30581882</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_29_1321211.30582932</id>
	<title>Re:Job Reclaimation, not creation.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262107620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I would really like to see a guy run against Obama in 2012 on the premise of reclaiming our outsourced jobs, canceling all worker visas, banning of outsourcing, banning of multinational corporations, and fighting illegal immigration with the greater enthusiasm than drugs and terrorism.</p></div><p>Right. A Republican is going to run on a platform of interfering with the Almighty Corporations' inalienable right to make money at all costs. That's about as likely as the next President being a Hispanic lesbian vegan atheist running on an Intellectual Property Reform platform.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I would really like to see a guy run against Obama in 2012 on the premise of reclaiming our outsourced jobs , canceling all worker visas , banning of outsourcing , banning of multinational corporations , and fighting illegal immigration with the greater enthusiasm than drugs and terrorism.Right .
A Republican is going to run on a platform of interfering with the Almighty Corporations ' inalienable right to make money at all costs .
That 's about as likely as the next President being a Hispanic lesbian vegan atheist running on an Intellectual Property Reform platform .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would really like to see a guy run against Obama in 2012 on the premise of reclaiming our outsourced jobs, canceling all worker visas, banning of outsourcing, banning of multinational corporations, and fighting illegal immigration with the greater enthusiasm than drugs and terrorism.Right.
A Republican is going to run on a platform of interfering with the Almighty Corporations' inalienable right to make money at all costs.
That's about as likely as the next President being a Hispanic lesbian vegan atheist running on an Intellectual Property Reform platform.
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	<title>Re:If the same happened in Iran or N. Korea,</title>
	<author>frank\_adrian314159</author>
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	<htmltext><p><i>What sort of media do you think Rolling Stone is?</i> </p><p>Actually, although much of its content is entertainment-related, it has some very good articles (read "often as good as other general-interest publications like Harper's, Vanity Fair, etc.") on politics, the economy, etc.  Matt Tabibi's work on the economy is very nice and, even if I don't agree with his Libertarian leanings, PJ O'Rourke is always an interesting political read.  In short, Rolling Stone stopped being a "counter-culture" icon sometime in the mid-80's (go to Mother Jones, the Utne Reader, and/or High Times for that sort of thing, if you want it) and has re-invented itself as a general interest magazine (whether it wants to admit it or not).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What sort of media do you think Rolling Stone is ?
Actually , although much of its content is entertainment-related , it has some very good articles ( read " often as good as other general-interest publications like Harper 's , Vanity Fair , etc .
" ) on politics , the economy , etc .
Matt Tabibi 's work on the economy is very nice and , even if I do n't agree with his Libertarian leanings , PJ O'Rourke is always an interesting political read .
In short , Rolling Stone stopped being a " counter-culture " icon sometime in the mid-80 's ( go to Mother Jones , the Utne Reader , and/or High Times for that sort of thing , if you want it ) and has re-invented itself as a general interest magazine ( whether it wants to admit it or not ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What sort of media do you think Rolling Stone is?
Actually, although much of its content is entertainment-related, it has some very good articles (read "often as good as other general-interest publications like Harper's, Vanity Fair, etc.
") on politics, the economy, etc.
Matt Tabibi's work on the economy is very nice and, even if I don't agree with his Libertarian leanings, PJ O'Rourke is always an interesting political read.
In short, Rolling Stone stopped being a "counter-culture" icon sometime in the mid-80's (go to Mother Jones, the Utne Reader, and/or High Times for that sort of thing, if you want it) and has re-invented itself as a general interest magazine (whether it wants to admit it or not).</sentencetext>
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