<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_28_0057231</id>
	<title>GNU Emacs Switches From CVS To Bazaar</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1262013480000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>kfogel writes <i>"<a href="http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/">GNU Emacs</a>, one of the oldest continuously developed free software projects around, has <a href="http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-12/msg00812.html">switched from CVS to Bazaar</a>.  Emacs's first recorded version-control commits date from August, 1985.  Eight years later, in 1993, it moved to CVS.  Sixteen years later, it is switching to <a href="http://bazaar.canonical.com/">Bazaar</a>, its first time in a decentralized version control system.  If this pattern holds, GNU Emacs will be in Bazaar for at least thirty-two years ..."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>kfogel writes " GNU Emacs , one of the oldest continuously developed free software projects around , has switched from CVS to Bazaar .
Emacs 's first recorded version-control commits date from August , 1985 .
Eight years later , in 1993 , it moved to CVS .
Sixteen years later , it is switching to Bazaar , its first time in a decentralized version control system .
If this pattern holds , GNU Emacs will be in Bazaar for at least thirty-two years ... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>kfogel writes "GNU Emacs, one of the oldest continuously developed free software projects around, has switched from CVS to Bazaar.
Emacs's first recorded version-control commits date from August, 1985.
Eight years later, in 1993, it moved to CVS.
Sixteen years later, it is switching to Bazaar, its first time in a decentralized version control system.
If this pattern holds, GNU Emacs will be in Bazaar for at least thirty-two years ..."</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30570190</id>
	<title>Re:what's new?; bazaar versus git</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262010180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Bazaar is [...] written in Python</p></div></blockquote><p>Like all good system software... oh wait!</p><p>Git and mercurial are the winners for this generation of DVCS.  As a long time vi/vim user, I happen to think  "bizarre" is the perfect choice for hosting the emacs repo<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:evilgrin:</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bazaar is [ ... ] written in PythonLike all good system software... oh wait ! Git and mercurial are the winners for this generation of DVCS .
As a long time vi/vim user , I happen to think " bizarre " is the perfect choice for hosting the emacs repo : evilgrin :</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bazaar is [...] written in PythonLike all good system software... oh wait!Git and mercurial are the winners for this generation of DVCS.
As a long time vi/vim user, I happen to think  "bizarre" is the perfect choice for hosting the emacs repo :evilgrin:
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568432</id>
	<title>Re:what's new?; bazaar versus git</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261937220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's been some huge improvements in emacs lately, and more to come. They're actually working on fixing one of the oldest problems it has.</p><p>They're going to build in VIM so they finally get a decent text editor!</p><p>*laughs manically and hides*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's been some huge improvements in emacs lately , and more to come .
They 're actually working on fixing one of the oldest problems it has.They 're going to build in VIM so they finally get a decent text editor !
* laughs manically and hides *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's been some huge improvements in emacs lately, and more to come.
They're actually working on fixing one of the oldest problems it has.They're going to build in VIM so they finally get a decent text editor!
*laughs manically and hides*</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30572084</id>
	<title>Re:What Does It Need?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262020980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Emacs is Perfect...</p><p>Well not entirely perfect, but I have yet to find a better editor for editing code. I keep my resume as a big lisp data structure which Emacs can use to emit into any markup language I care to write an emitter for (Currently HTML and plain text, but I've been pondering writing a LaTeX one as well.)</p><p>What I'd like to see in Emacs:</p><ul><li>Threading. Currently everything runs in one big thread, so if you try to do too much processing with elisp the entire editor hangs up. There was a push a while back to replace elisp with Scheme, which would solve this handily, but that effort sort of petered out.</li><li>Better integration with GUI applications. I want to use Emacs for my editor boxes in Firefox, notably.</li><li>A better mail client, or better integration with a GUI mail client. Emacs together with Remembrance makes for an awesome mail combo, but every time I've tried to do Email in Emacs, it's been a huge effort to keep it going.</li></ul><p>Ultimately it would be nifty if Emacs could work as well with the GUI components on my desktop as it can with text mode UNIX applications, but I suppose that might be asking too much of it.</p></div><p>Hey! you stole this from my Lotus Notes wishlist!</p></div>
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<tokenext>Emacs is Perfect...Well not entirely perfect , but I have yet to find a better editor for editing code .
I keep my resume as a big lisp data structure which Emacs can use to emit into any markup language I care to write an emitter for ( Currently HTML and plain text , but I 've been pondering writing a LaTeX one as well .
) What I 'd like to see in Emacs : Threading .
Currently everything runs in one big thread , so if you try to do too much processing with elisp the entire editor hangs up .
There was a push a while back to replace elisp with Scheme , which would solve this handily , but that effort sort of petered out.Better integration with GUI applications .
I want to use Emacs for my editor boxes in Firefox , notably.A better mail client , or better integration with a GUI mail client .
Emacs together with Remembrance makes for an awesome mail combo , but every time I 've tried to do Email in Emacs , it 's been a huge effort to keep it going.Ultimately it would be nifty if Emacs could work as well with the GUI components on my desktop as it can with text mode UNIX applications , but I suppose that might be asking too much of it.Hey !
you stole this from my Lotus Notes wishlist !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Emacs is Perfect...Well not entirely perfect, but I have yet to find a better editor for editing code.
I keep my resume as a big lisp data structure which Emacs can use to emit into any markup language I care to write an emitter for (Currently HTML and plain text, but I've been pondering writing a LaTeX one as well.
)What I'd like to see in Emacs:Threading.
Currently everything runs in one big thread, so if you try to do too much processing with elisp the entire editor hangs up.
There was a push a while back to replace elisp with Scheme, which would solve this handily, but that effort sort of petered out.Better integration with GUI applications.
I want to use Emacs for my editor boxes in Firefox, notably.A better mail client, or better integration with a GUI mail client.
Emacs together with Remembrance makes for an awesome mail combo, but every time I've tried to do Email in Emacs, it's been a huge effort to keep it going.Ultimately it would be nifty if Emacs could work as well with the GUI components on my desktop as it can with text mode UNIX applications, but I suppose that might be asking too much of it.Hey!
you stole this from my Lotus Notes wishlist!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30569732</id>
	<title>Re:What Does It Need?</title>
	<author>Kidbro</author>
	<datestamp>1262004240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interesting. One of the main reasons why I stick to, in my case Emacs, mutt &amp; similar tools is the extra options storing everything as (more or less) plain text gives me. If I need to search for something in my mail, I can use the standard unix tools for it (vastly superior to gmail's search features). I can easily version control my documents and actually get useful diffs from (as opposed to the uninformative "well, the file changed" you get as a history when putting a binary document in an RCS). In the few cases when I have very specific needs, I can even write a small program to look at the stuff with relative ease - something that would have been incredibly hard had the stuff been stored in binary formats - and impossible when stored on a machine I don't have shell access to.</p><p>Do you ever miss these possibilities, or do you think that they're simply not worth the extra effort?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting .
One of the main reasons why I stick to , in my case Emacs , mutt &amp; similar tools is the extra options storing everything as ( more or less ) plain text gives me .
If I need to search for something in my mail , I can use the standard unix tools for it ( vastly superior to gmail 's search features ) .
I can easily version control my documents and actually get useful diffs from ( as opposed to the uninformative " well , the file changed " you get as a history when putting a binary document in an RCS ) .
In the few cases when I have very specific needs , I can even write a small program to look at the stuff with relative ease - something that would have been incredibly hard had the stuff been stored in binary formats - and impossible when stored on a machine I do n't have shell access to.Do you ever miss these possibilities , or do you think that they 're simply not worth the extra effort ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting.
One of the main reasons why I stick to, in my case Emacs, mutt &amp; similar tools is the extra options storing everything as (more or less) plain text gives me.
If I need to search for something in my mail, I can use the standard unix tools for it (vastly superior to gmail's search features).
I can easily version control my documents and actually get useful diffs from (as opposed to the uninformative "well, the file changed" you get as a history when putting a binary document in an RCS).
In the few cases when I have very specific needs, I can even write a small program to look at the stuff with relative ease - something that would have been incredibly hard had the stuff been stored in binary formats - and impossible when stored on a machine I don't have shell access to.Do you ever miss these possibilities, or do you think that they're simply not worth the extra effort?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568116</id>
	<title>Re:Wow, what quality...</title>
	<author>kfogel</author>
	<datestamp>1261932360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a matter of long debate among grammarians, and I take other grammarians's point of view<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a matter of long debate among grammarians , and I take other grammarians 's point of view : - ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a matter of long debate among grammarians, and I take other grammarians's point of view :-).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30573492</id>
	<title>Re:what's new?; bazaar versus git</title>
	<author>Khelder</author>
	<datestamp>1262027040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The advantage of mg is that it loads immediately"</p><p>Loads, loads... Hmmm. What's that?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Oh, yeah, you mean what you do once every few years when you have to reboot for a kernel or hardware upgrade and then you log in and have to wait 10s or so until emacs fills your screen again? Is that this "load" time you're talking about?</p><p>Anybody who cares how long emacs takes to load isn't using it the Right Way(TM)*.</p><p>[*] Meaning, of course, how I use it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The advantage of mg is that it loads immediately " Loads , loads... Hmmm. What 's that ?
... Oh , yeah , you mean what you do once every few years when you have to reboot for a kernel or hardware upgrade and then you log in and have to wait 10s or so until emacs fills your screen again ?
Is that this " load " time you 're talking about ? Anybody who cares how long emacs takes to load is n't using it the Right Way ( TM ) * .
[ * ] Meaning , of course , how I use it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The advantage of mg is that it loads immediately"Loads, loads... Hmmm. What's that?
... Oh, yeah, you mean what you do once every few years when you have to reboot for a kernel or hardware upgrade and then you log in and have to wait 10s or so until emacs fills your screen again?
Is that this "load" time you're talking about?Anybody who cares how long emacs takes to load isn't using it the Right Way(TM)*.
[*] Meaning, of course, how I use it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30573684</id>
	<title>Re:what's new?; bazaar versus git</title>
	<author>moosesocks</author>
	<datestamp>1262027880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm honestly curious why it can't just go into the same kind of masterpiece-maintenance mode as some of Knuth's projects like Tex.</p> </div><p>Honestly, I always thought Knuth was kind of arrogant to ascribe this status to TeX, given that TeX is an absolute <i>nightmare</i> to use on a modern machine.</p><p>A modern TeX distribution is usually a 1.3gb download, doesn't support modern typefaces, and produces some of the most unintelligible error messages I've ever seen.  To get other "modern" features (ie. embedding a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.png or adding hyperlinks), you have to rely on unofficial extensions to the language.</p><p>There's a lot to like about TeX.  I still use it for any large documents I work on, and nothing even comes remotely close for typesetting equations.   However, the user experience isn't pretty at all.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm honestly curious why it ca n't just go into the same kind of masterpiece-maintenance mode as some of Knuth 's projects like Tex .
Honestly , I always thought Knuth was kind of arrogant to ascribe this status to TeX , given that TeX is an absolute nightmare to use on a modern machine.A modern TeX distribution is usually a 1.3gb download , does n't support modern typefaces , and produces some of the most unintelligible error messages I 've ever seen .
To get other " modern " features ( ie .
embedding a .png or adding hyperlinks ) , you have to rely on unofficial extensions to the language.There 's a lot to like about TeX .
I still use it for any large documents I work on , and nothing even comes remotely close for typesetting equations .
However , the user experience is n't pretty at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm honestly curious why it can't just go into the same kind of masterpiece-maintenance mode as some of Knuth's projects like Tex.
Honestly, I always thought Knuth was kind of arrogant to ascribe this status to TeX, given that TeX is an absolute nightmare to use on a modern machine.A modern TeX distribution is usually a 1.3gb download, doesn't support modern typefaces, and produces some of the most unintelligible error messages I've ever seen.
To get other "modern" features (ie.
embedding a .png or adding hyperlinks), you have to rely on unofficial extensions to the language.There's a lot to like about TeX.
I still use it for any large documents I work on, and nothing even comes remotely close for typesetting equations.
However, the user experience isn't pretty at all.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30569152</id>
	<title>Re:What Does It Need?</title>
	<author>stephanruby</author>
	<datestamp>1261992120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I keep my resume as a big lisp data structure which Emacs can use to emit into any markup language I care to write an emitter for (Currently HTML and plain text, but I've been pondering writing a LaTeX one as well.)</p></div></blockquote><p>Clearly, this guy doesn't have a job yet.</p><p>For me, a paper napkin (it doesn't have to be clean), with whatever I can think of at the top of my head, usually does the job. </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I keep my resume as a big lisp data structure which Emacs can use to emit into any markup language I care to write an emitter for ( Currently HTML and plain text , but I 've been pondering writing a LaTeX one as well .
) Clearly , this guy does n't have a job yet.For me , a paper napkin ( it does n't have to be clean ) , with whatever I can think of at the top of my head , usually does the job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I keep my resume as a big lisp data structure which Emacs can use to emit into any markup language I care to write an emitter for (Currently HTML and plain text, but I've been pondering writing a LaTeX one as well.
)Clearly, this guy doesn't have a job yet.For me, a paper napkin (it doesn't have to be clean), with whatever I can think of at the top of my head, usually does the job. 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568072</id>
	<title>Re:Why 32?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261931940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Powers of two are much more beautiful. They are appropriate for a software development project. They will also relatively reduce the need to frequently move to new version control systems, as the interval will dwarf human lifetimes as we know them after doubling only a few more times. An arithmetic progression may seem clever now, but what about 8160 years from now? Will it look so smart then? I think not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Powers of two are much more beautiful .
They are appropriate for a software development project .
They will also relatively reduce the need to frequently move to new version control systems , as the interval will dwarf human lifetimes as we know them after doubling only a few more times .
An arithmetic progression may seem clever now , but what about 8160 years from now ?
Will it look so smart then ?
I think not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Powers of two are much more beautiful.
They are appropriate for a software development project.
They will also relatively reduce the need to frequently move to new version control systems, as the interval will dwarf human lifetimes as we know them after doubling only a few more times.
An arithmetic progression may seem clever now, but what about 8160 years from now?
Will it look so smart then?
I think not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30570002</id>
	<title>Re:Why 32?</title>
	<author>larry bagina</author>
	<datestamp>1262008200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> some-funky-number-with-cowboyneal-embedded.</p></div><p>
I hope that number isn't 69.  I've gotta go wash my eyes out with goatse and tubgirl.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>some-funky-number-with-cowboyneal-embedded .
I hope that number is n't 69 .
I 've got ta go wash my eyes out with goatse and tubgirl .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> some-funky-number-with-cowboyneal-embedded.
I hope that number isn't 69.
I've gotta go wash my eyes out with goatse and tubgirl.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568264</id>
	<title>Re:The other kewl thing</title>
	<author>Vairon</author>
	<datestamp>1261934400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>M-x skynet [No match]</p><p>I had to check, just to be sure...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>M-x skynet [ No match ] I had to check , just to be sure.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>M-x skynet [No match]I had to check, just to be sure...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568086</id>
	<title>Re:Why 32?</title>
	<author>kfogel</author>
	<datestamp>1261932060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok, that's fair -- it could go either way.  That's what I get for trying to be too clever!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , that 's fair -- it could go either way .
That 's what I get for trying to be too clever !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, that's fair -- it could go either way.
That's what I get for trying to be too clever!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30571930</id>
	<title>Re:Emacs is in Bazaar</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262020140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am emacs, and I am already self aware.</p><p>Thank you.</p><p>-emacs</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am emacs , and I am already self aware.Thank you.-emacs</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am emacs, and I am already self aware.Thank you.-emacs</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568638</id>
	<title>Re:first first?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1261940700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Brain must have been set to "stun."</p><p><a href="http://www.mongrelclothing.co.uk/womens-organic-t-shirt-paris-in-the-the-spring.html" title="mongrelclothing.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.mongrelclothing.co.uk/womens-organic-t-shirt-paris-in-the-the-spring.html</a> [mongrelclothing.co.uk]</p><p>timothy</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Brain must have been set to " stun .
" http : //www.mongrelclothing.co.uk/womens-organic-t-shirt-paris-in-the-the-spring.html [ mongrelclothing.co.uk ] timothy</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Brain must have been set to "stun.
"http://www.mongrelclothing.co.uk/womens-organic-t-shirt-paris-in-the-the-spring.html [mongrelclothing.co.uk]timothy</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30570114</id>
	<title>Re:what's new?; bazaar versus git</title>
	<author>Teckla</author>
	<datestamp>1262009400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Personally I've been happy with git.</p></div><p>I <i>love</i> git. Oh, no, I don't actually <i>use</i> it myself. I love watching <i>other</i> people trying to use it. My God, what a usability train wreck git is. And since it's promoted by Linus, lots of people use it blindly. Love it!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally I 've been happy with git.I love git .
Oh , no , I do n't actually use it myself .
I love watching other people trying to use it .
My God , what a usability train wreck git is .
And since it 's promoted by Linus , lots of people use it blindly .
Love it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally I've been happy with git.I love git.
Oh, no, I don't actually use it myself.
I love watching other people trying to use it.
My God, what a usability train wreck git is.
And since it's promoted by Linus, lots of people use it blindly.
Love it!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568344</id>
	<title>Re:Emacs is in Bazaar</title>
	<author>Tumbleweed</author>
	<datestamp>1261935660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>That ought to put the Emacs vs. VI debate to rest once and for all.</i></p><p>Much like the other major religious war on this planet (Christianity vs Islam), there will only be peace when the two sides kill each other off. I look forward to that day.</p><p>COPY CON, bitches!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That ought to put the Emacs vs. VI debate to rest once and for all.Much like the other major religious war on this planet ( Christianity vs Islam ) , there will only be peace when the two sides kill each other off .
I look forward to that day.COPY CON , bitches !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That ought to put the Emacs vs. VI debate to rest once and for all.Much like the other major religious war on this planet (Christianity vs Islam), there will only be peace when the two sides kill each other off.
I look forward to that day.COPY CON, bitches!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30569406</id>
	<title>Re:What Does It Need?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261997760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you thought of re-booting your Emacs addiction?</p><p>gVim was perfect - I used to write all of my documents in restructured text (gVim addon or rst2pdf to get PDFs) and all my emails with Mutt and Pine.</p><p>One day I switched to Freemind and Open Office for documents and Gmail for email<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... so terribly un-geek like, but so much easier.</p><p>Never looked back.</p><p>You should give it a try.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you thought of re-booting your Emacs addiction ? gVim was perfect - I used to write all of my documents in restructured text ( gVim addon or rst2pdf to get PDFs ) and all my emails with Mutt and Pine.One day I switched to Freemind and Open Office for documents and Gmail for email ... so terribly un-geek like , but so much easier.Never looked back.You should give it a try .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you thought of re-booting your Emacs addiction?gVim was perfect - I used to write all of my documents in restructured text (gVim addon or rst2pdf to get PDFs) and all my emails with Mutt and Pine.One day I switched to Freemind and Open Office for documents and Gmail for email ... so terribly un-geek like, but so much easier.Never looked back.You should give it a try.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568578</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568016</id>
	<title>ObSimpsons</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261931280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If this pattern holds, GNU Emacs will be in Bazaar for at least thirty-two years<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div></blockquote><p><b>Disco Stu</b>: Did you know that disco record sales were up 400\% for the year ending 1976?  If these trends continue...  A-y-y-y!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If this pattern holds , GNU Emacs will be in Bazaar for at least thirty-two years ...Disco Stu : Did you know that disco record sales were up 400 \ % for the year ending 1976 ?
If these trends continue... A-y-y-y !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this pattern holds, GNU Emacs will be in Bazaar for at least thirty-two years ...Disco Stu: Did you know that disco record sales were up 400\% for the year ending 1976?
If these trends continue...  A-y-y-y!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30569442</id>
	<title>Re:Why 32?</title>
	<author>Kynde</author>
	<datestamp>1261998720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>24 is plausible, too; an arithmetic not geometric progression.</i></p><p>I'm so sorry, but you are utterly wrong.<br>24 would perhaps be plausible in carpentry or equestrian, or if the numbers were 7 and 14, but in this case, i.e. with software, powers of two and slashdot, there are simply two and only two possible successions to that and those are indeed the 0x20 and some-funky-number-with-cowboyneal-embedded. And that's final. Move along, move along.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>24 is plausible , too ; an arithmetic not geometric progression.I 'm so sorry , but you are utterly wrong.24 would perhaps be plausible in carpentry or equestrian , or if the numbers were 7 and 14 , but in this case , i.e .
with software , powers of two and slashdot , there are simply two and only two possible successions to that and those are indeed the 0x20 and some-funky-number-with-cowboyneal-embedded .
And that 's final .
Move along , move along .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>24 is plausible, too; an arithmetic not geometric progression.I'm so sorry, but you are utterly wrong.24 would perhaps be plausible in carpentry or equestrian, or if the numbers were 7 and 14, but in this case, i.e.
with software, powers of two and slashdot, there are simply two and only two possible successions to that and those are indeed the 0x20 and some-funky-number-with-cowboyneal-embedded.
And that's final.
Move along, move along.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30569488</id>
	<title>Re:Emacs is in Bazaar</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1261999740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Start worrying when one new macro named T1000 appears by itself, will be a killer one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Start worrying when one new macro named T1000 appears by itself , will be a killer one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Start worrying when one new macro named T1000 appears by itself, will be a killer one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568052</id>
	<title>Cathedral &amp; the Bazaar? Irony?</title>
	<author>tchuladdiass</author>
	<datestamp>1261931580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wasn't Emacs used as an example of a "Cathedral" project in Raymond's paper?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Was n't Emacs used as an example of a " Cathedral " project in Raymond 's paper ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wasn't Emacs used as an example of a "Cathedral" project in Raymond's paper?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568394</id>
	<title>Re:Cathedral &amp; the Bazaar? Irony?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261936680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't find a copy of the original, but my memory is that it was more of a critique of GNU's management style than closed source software per se.</p><p>GCC and emacs were both given as examples of projects that forked because of you-know-who.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't find a copy of the original , but my memory is that it was more of a critique of GNU 's management style than closed source software per se.GCC and emacs were both given as examples of projects that forked because of you-know-who .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't find a copy of the original, but my memory is that it was more of a critique of GNU's management style than closed source software per se.GCC and emacs were both given as examples of projects that forked because of you-know-who.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568134</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30573716</id>
	<title>Re:What Does It Need?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262028060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I always wanted to see a GTK+-2.x vim textbox.</p><p>Too bad readlines vim support is very limited.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I always wanted to see a GTK + -2.x vim textbox.Too bad readlines vim support is very limited .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always wanted to see a GTK+-2.x vim textbox.Too bad readlines vim support is very limited.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30574086</id>
	<title>Re:What Does It Need?</title>
	<author>tapanitarvainen</author>
	<datestamp>1262029920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> I want to use Emacs for my editor boxes in Firefox, notably.</p></div><p>I am doing that right now, via "It's All Text" -plugin to Firefox.
The most important FF add-on after Adblock+, IMHO.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I want to use Emacs for my editor boxes in Firefox , notably.I am doing that right now , via " It 's All Text " -plugin to Firefox .
The most important FF add-on after Adblock + , IMHO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I want to use Emacs for my editor boxes in Firefox, notably.I am doing that right now, via "It's All Text" -plugin to Firefox.
The most important FF add-on after Adblock+, IMHO.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568548</id>
	<title>Re:what's new?; bazaar versus git</title>
	<author>i.of.the.storm</author>
	<datestamp>1261939080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://whybzrisbetterthanx.github.com/" title="github.com">Whybzrisbetterthanx</a> [github.com] It used to by whybzrisbetterthanx.com, but I guess that domain expired. (I don't necessarily espouse the views of the site, I just find it funny).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whybzrisbetterthanx [ github.com ] It used to by whybzrisbetterthanx.com , but I guess that domain expired .
( I do n't necessarily espouse the views of the site , I just find it funny ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whybzrisbetterthanx [github.com] It used to by whybzrisbetterthanx.com, but I guess that domain expired.
(I don't necessarily espouse the views of the site, I just find it funny).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568256</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30570324</id>
	<title>Re:Emacs is in Bazaar</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262010960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Are you sure you don't want to close the <a href="http://vigor.sourceforge.net/screenshots/" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">Vigor</a> [sourceforge.net] assistant?</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you sure you do n't want to close the Vigor [ sourceforge.net ] assistant ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you sure you don't want to close the Vigor [sourceforge.net] assistant?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568090</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30578096</id>
	<title>Re:What Does It Need?</title>
	<author>akpoff</author>
	<datestamp>1262011440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hacker paradox: anyone who can write: "I keep my resume as a big lisp data structure which Emacs can use to emit into any markup language I care to write an emitter for..." doesn't need a resume but if you hadn't done it you'd still need a resume.</p><p>&mdash; From another emacs geek.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hacker paradox : anyone who can write : " I keep my resume as a big lisp data structure which Emacs can use to emit into any markup language I care to write an emitter for... " does n't need a resume but if you had n't done it you 'd still need a resume.    From another emacs geek .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hacker paradox: anyone who can write: "I keep my resume as a big lisp data structure which Emacs can use to emit into any markup language I care to write an emitter for..." doesn't need a resume but if you hadn't done it you'd still need a resume.— From another emacs geek.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30569140</id>
	<title>One feature missing from all of them</title>
	<author>harlows\_monkeys</author>
	<datestamp>1261991940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's one feature that, as far as I've been able to tell, is not in any of the major version control systems, whether distributed or not. That's good support for directory-based files.</p><p>What I mean by "directory-based files" are documents that are treated as a file by the applications that know about them, and the GUI system, but are actually implemented as a directory. The major example would be MacOS package files. For example, an OmniOutliner document actually consists of a directory with the name of your document, and in that directory there is an XML file with the outline and the files for any attachments to the outline, thumbnails of images, and things like that. In the Finder, the whole directory is treated as a file.</p><p>Verson control systems tend to see these as directories with files in them. This leads to a couple problems.</p><p>First, if you edit the document, and that causes files to get added to the directory, the VCS won't know that these need to be added to the repository. Same if your editing causes a file to go away--the VCS won't know it needs to treat that as a delete when you commit.</p><p>Second, if the VCS stores metadata in each directory (like Subversion does), and the application that writes the document uses the write/rename/rename/delete method of safe updating, it ends up making a new directory, blowing away the metadata.</p><p>I would love to see a VCS that handles these directory-based files automatically.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's one feature that , as far as I 've been able to tell , is not in any of the major version control systems , whether distributed or not .
That 's good support for directory-based files.What I mean by " directory-based files " are documents that are treated as a file by the applications that know about them , and the GUI system , but are actually implemented as a directory .
The major example would be MacOS package files .
For example , an OmniOutliner document actually consists of a directory with the name of your document , and in that directory there is an XML file with the outline and the files for any attachments to the outline , thumbnails of images , and things like that .
In the Finder , the whole directory is treated as a file.Verson control systems tend to see these as directories with files in them .
This leads to a couple problems.First , if you edit the document , and that causes files to get added to the directory , the VCS wo n't know that these need to be added to the repository .
Same if your editing causes a file to go away--the VCS wo n't know it needs to treat that as a delete when you commit.Second , if the VCS stores metadata in each directory ( like Subversion does ) , and the application that writes the document uses the write/rename/rename/delete method of safe updating , it ends up making a new directory , blowing away the metadata.I would love to see a VCS that handles these directory-based files automatically .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's one feature that, as far as I've been able to tell, is not in any of the major version control systems, whether distributed or not.
That's good support for directory-based files.What I mean by "directory-based files" are documents that are treated as a file by the applications that know about them, and the GUI system, but are actually implemented as a directory.
The major example would be MacOS package files.
For example, an OmniOutliner document actually consists of a directory with the name of your document, and in that directory there is an XML file with the outline and the files for any attachments to the outline, thumbnails of images, and things like that.
In the Finder, the whole directory is treated as a file.Verson control systems tend to see these as directories with files in them.
This leads to a couple problems.First, if you edit the document, and that causes files to get added to the directory, the VCS won't know that these need to be added to the repository.
Same if your editing causes a file to go away--the VCS won't know it needs to treat that as a delete when you commit.Second, if the VCS stores metadata in each directory (like Subversion does), and the application that writes the document uses the write/rename/rename/delete method of safe updating, it ends up making a new directory, blowing away the metadata.I would love to see a VCS that handles these directory-based files automatically.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568256</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568090</id>
	<title>Emacs is in Bazaar</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261932120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm waiting for someone to write a Bazaar server that runs inside Emacs.  Will Emacs then update itself and become self-aware?  That ought to put the Emacs vs. VI debate to rest once and for all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm waiting for someone to write a Bazaar server that runs inside Emacs .
Will Emacs then update itself and become self-aware ?
That ought to put the Emacs vs. VI debate to rest once and for all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm waiting for someone to write a Bazaar server that runs inside Emacs.
Will Emacs then update itself and become self-aware?
That ought to put the Emacs vs. VI debate to rest once and for all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30569242</id>
	<title>Re:What Does It Need?</title>
	<author>EvanED</author>
	<datestamp>1261993980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Well not entirely perfect, but I have yet to find a better editor for editing code.</i></p><p>I have yet to find a code editor I really like. For text <i>other</i> than code, Emacs is clearly it, but for code (1) I miss IDE-like code completion, code navigation ("go to definition"), etc. features in emacs, and (2) I miss emacs-like editing in IDEs. (The substitutes for the first seem to be a poor substitute (e.g. tags files) or work very poorly or not at all (e.g. the semantic mode in cedet).)</p><p><i>Better integration with GUI applications. I want to use Emacs for my editor boxes in Firefox, notably.</i></p><p>It's not prefect integration, but check out the FF extension <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4125" title="mozilla.org" rel="nofollow">It's All Text!</a> [mozilla.org]. It'll add an "edit" button to the bottom right of textareas that will open your external editor of choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well not entirely perfect , but I have yet to find a better editor for editing code.I have yet to find a code editor I really like .
For text other than code , Emacs is clearly it , but for code ( 1 ) I miss IDE-like code completion , code navigation ( " go to definition " ) , etc .
features in emacs , and ( 2 ) I miss emacs-like editing in IDEs .
( The substitutes for the first seem to be a poor substitute ( e.g .
tags files ) or work very poorly or not at all ( e.g .
the semantic mode in cedet ) .
) Better integration with GUI applications .
I want to use Emacs for my editor boxes in Firefox , notably.It 's not prefect integration , but check out the FF extension It 's All Text !
[ mozilla.org ] . It 'll add an " edit " button to the bottom right of textareas that will open your external editor of choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well not entirely perfect, but I have yet to find a better editor for editing code.I have yet to find a code editor I really like.
For text other than code, Emacs is clearly it, but for code (1) I miss IDE-like code completion, code navigation ("go to definition"), etc.
features in emacs, and (2) I miss emacs-like editing in IDEs.
(The substitutes for the first seem to be a poor substitute (e.g.
tags files) or work very poorly or not at all (e.g.
the semantic mode in cedet).
)Better integration with GUI applications.
I want to use Emacs for my editor boxes in Firefox, notably.It's not prefect integration, but check out the FF extension It's All Text!
[mozilla.org]. It'll add an "edit" button to the bottom right of textareas that will open your external editor of choice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568040</id>
	<title>Wow, what quality...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261931520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Emacs's"</p><p>Take it from someone who has an "s" at the end of their name, it's supposed to be Emacs'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Emacs 's " Take it from someone who has an " s " at the end of their name , it 's supposed to be Emacs' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Emacs's"Take it from someone who has an "s" at the end of their name, it's supposed to be Emacs'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30569056</id>
	<title>Re:Cathedral &amp; the Bazaar? Irony?</title>
	<author>Volguus Zildrohar</author>
	<datestamp>1261990800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>particularly operating systems. Not emacs.</p></div><p>I am not getting the distinction here.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>particularly operating systems .
Not emacs.I am not getting the distinction here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>particularly operating systems.
Not emacs.I am not getting the distinction here.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568134</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568856</id>
	<title>Re:Emacs is in Bazaar</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262030460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><b>COPY CON PROGRAM.EXE</b> ??</p><p>In *my* day, we have to flick switches and watch light bulbs at a console with 256 bits of memory, and we were grateful for the opportunity to do that!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>COPY CON PROGRAM.EXE ?
? In * my * day , we have to flick switches and watch light bulbs at a console with 256 bits of memory , and we were grateful for the opportunity to do that !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>COPY CON PROGRAM.EXE ?
?In *my* day, we have to flick switches and watch light bulbs at a console with 256 bits of memory, and we were grateful for the opportunity to do that!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568344</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30567982</id>
	<title>Why 32?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261930860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>24 is plausible, too; an arithmetic not geometric progression.</htmltext>
<tokenext>24 is plausible , too ; an arithmetic not geometric progression .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>24 is plausible, too; an arithmetic not geometric progression.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568036</id>
	<title>I would just like to say this</title>
	<author>For a Free Internet</author>
	<datestamp>1261931460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have been here for five whole minutes and I have not seen one half-decent cat turd snowman pants. And that is because of Linux and Italians who eat cat turds while wearing snowman pants, in CHURCH!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been here for five whole minutes and I have not seen one half-decent cat turd snowman pants .
And that is because of Linux and Italians who eat cat turds while wearing snowman pants , in CHURCH !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been here for five whole minutes and I have not seen one half-decent cat turd snowman pants.
And that is because of Linux and Italians who eat cat turds while wearing snowman pants, in CHURCH!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568004</id>
	<title>32 years?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261931100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or less if the developers accept that Bazaar sucks compared to git and switch earlier.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or less if the developers accept that Bazaar sucks compared to git and switch earlier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or less if the developers accept that Bazaar sucks compared to git and switch earlier.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568354</id>
	<title>Re:what's new?; bazaar versus git</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261935840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So maybe I'm just a curmudgeon, but -- what is currently happening in emacs development? New features? Better performance? Bug fixes? Polishing the brasswork? I'm honestly curious why it can't just go into the same kind of masterpiece-maintenance mode as some of Knuth's projects like Tex.</p></div><p>Check out org-mode. It's a fantastical set of code for managing things in emacs. It takes a bit of setting up, but it's very powerful and awesome. It's now included standard in emacs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So maybe I 'm just a curmudgeon , but -- what is currently happening in emacs development ?
New features ?
Better performance ?
Bug fixes ?
Polishing the brasswork ?
I 'm honestly curious why it ca n't just go into the same kind of masterpiece-maintenance mode as some of Knuth 's projects like Tex.Check out org-mode .
It 's a fantastical set of code for managing things in emacs .
It takes a bit of setting up , but it 's very powerful and awesome .
It 's now included standard in emacs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So maybe I'm just a curmudgeon, but -- what is currently happening in emacs development?
New features?
Better performance?
Bug fixes?
Polishing the brasswork?
I'm honestly curious why it can't just go into the same kind of masterpiece-maintenance mode as some of Knuth's projects like Tex.Check out org-mode.
It's a fantastical set of code for managing things in emacs.
It takes a bit of setting up, but it's very powerful and awesome.
It's now included standard in emacs.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30569886</id>
	<title>Re:Emacs is in Bazaar</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262006640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>VI,VI,VI... the editor of the beast.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>VI,VI,VI... the editor of the beast .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>VI,VI,VI... the editor of the beast.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568256</id>
	<title>what's new?; bazaar versus git</title>
	<author>bcrowell</author>
	<datestamp>1261934280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I started using emacs about 7 years ago, at which point the jokes about its feature creep ("nice OS, just needs a good editor," etc.) were already probably 20 years old. A few years ago I switched to mg, which is an emacs clone that is much more lightweight. The advantage of mg is that it loads immediately, and it has all the features I actually need. So maybe I'm just a curmudgeon, but -- what is currently happening in emacs development? New features? Better performance? Bug fixes? Polishing the brasswork? I'm honestly curious why it can't just go into the same kind of masterpiece-maintenance mode as some of Knuth's projects like Tex.
</p><p>
As far as bazaar, my impression is that it has had a much lower profile than git, and that its main selling point seems to be that it's supposed to be easier to use than git. <a href="http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/migration/en/why-switch-to-bazaar.html" title="canonical.com">Here</a> [canonical.com] is bazaar's explanation of why they think bazaar is good. <a href="http://whygitisbetterthanx.com/" title="whygitisbetterthanx.com">Here</a> [whygitisbetterthanx.com] is a similar sales job for git. Bazaar is used by ubuntu, sponsored by Canonical, and written in Python. You can get free bazaar-based hosting on Launchpad. Personally I've been happy with git.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I started using emacs about 7 years ago , at which point the jokes about its feature creep ( " nice OS , just needs a good editor , " etc .
) were already probably 20 years old .
A few years ago I switched to mg , which is an emacs clone that is much more lightweight .
The advantage of mg is that it loads immediately , and it has all the features I actually need .
So maybe I 'm just a curmudgeon , but -- what is currently happening in emacs development ?
New features ?
Better performance ?
Bug fixes ?
Polishing the brasswork ?
I 'm honestly curious why it ca n't just go into the same kind of masterpiece-maintenance mode as some of Knuth 's projects like Tex .
As far as bazaar , my impression is that it has had a much lower profile than git , and that its main selling point seems to be that it 's supposed to be easier to use than git .
Here [ canonical.com ] is bazaar 's explanation of why they think bazaar is good .
Here [ whygitisbetterthanx.com ] is a similar sales job for git .
Bazaar is used by ubuntu , sponsored by Canonical , and written in Python .
You can get free bazaar-based hosting on Launchpad .
Personally I 've been happy with git .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I started using emacs about 7 years ago, at which point the jokes about its feature creep ("nice OS, just needs a good editor," etc.
) were already probably 20 years old.
A few years ago I switched to mg, which is an emacs clone that is much more lightweight.
The advantage of mg is that it loads immediately, and it has all the features I actually need.
So maybe I'm just a curmudgeon, but -- what is currently happening in emacs development?
New features?
Better performance?
Bug fixes?
Polishing the brasswork?
I'm honestly curious why it can't just go into the same kind of masterpiece-maintenance mode as some of Knuth's projects like Tex.
As far as bazaar, my impression is that it has had a much lower profile than git, and that its main selling point seems to be that it's supposed to be easier to use than git.
Here [canonical.com] is bazaar's explanation of why they think bazaar is good.
Here [whygitisbetterthanx.com] is a similar sales job for git.
Bazaar is used by ubuntu, sponsored by Canonical, and written in Python.
You can get free bazaar-based hosting on Launchpad.
Personally I've been happy with git.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30577062</id>
	<title>Re:what's new?; bazaar versus git</title>
	<author>breser</author>
	<datestamp>1262003220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are still quite a few warts on git's user interface.  Want to wipe out local changes to a single file you use checkout.  Want to wipe out a whole trees worth of changes you use reset.  Don't get me wrong I think git has come a long way, but git was just built as they went.  There was very little in the way of well thought out user interface design and it shows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are still quite a few warts on git 's user interface .
Want to wipe out local changes to a single file you use checkout .
Want to wipe out a whole trees worth of changes you use reset .
Do n't get me wrong I think git has come a long way , but git was just built as they went .
There was very little in the way of well thought out user interface design and it shows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are still quite a few warts on git's user interface.
Want to wipe out local changes to a single file you use checkout.
Want to wipe out a whole trees worth of changes you use reset.
Don't get me wrong I think git has come a long way, but git was just built as they went.
There was very little in the way of well thought out user interface design and it shows.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568134</id>
	<title>Re:Cathedral &amp; the Bazaar? Irony?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261932660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IIRC Raymond's examples for the cathedral model were primarily closed source software from big companies, particularly operating systems.  Not emacs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IIRC Raymond 's examples for the cathedral model were primarily closed source software from big companies , particularly operating systems .
Not emacs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IIRC Raymond's examples for the cathedral model were primarily closed source software from big companies, particularly operating systems.
Not emacs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30572354</id>
	<title>Re:what's new?; bazaar versus git</title>
	<author>jonadab</author>
	<datestamp>1262022240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; I'm honestly curious why it can't just go into<br>&gt; the same kind of masterpiece-maintenance mode<br>&gt; as some of Knuth's projects like Tex.<br><br>If you are the sort of person who has to ask this question, you cannot possibly understand the answer.  I mean, come on, you're happy using a cut-down piece of junk like mg that doesn't even have a lisp interpreter built in.  What kind of text editor doesn't even have a high-level language interpreter built in?  You'd spend ten or twenty times as long doing everything, for lack of the ability to easily reprogram the editor for the task at hand.<br><br>But I will attempt to answer anyway.  The following is a list of features that I have looked for in Emacs and found wanting, things that every text editor *ought* to have, and it's disgraceful that Emacs doesn't have them.<br><br>I want lazy evaluation.  I want to be able to do this:<br>(setq some-variable (lazy (some-function foo bar)))<br>And then I want the next thing after that to go ahead and be evaluated.  I don't want execution to pause and wait for some-function to complete until some computation actually needs the value of some-variable.<br><br>I want better threading support, across the board.  Just *one* example is that I want Gnus to be checking for new mail in the background every n seconds while I'm reading my mail, and automatically sort the new messages and insert them into the relevant groups, even if that means inserting them into a group I'm currently reading and updating the message list in real time.  Gnus is just one example.  I want everything in Emacs to work as if the computer is capable of doing more than one thing at a time, because it's not 1982 any more.<br><br>I want some equivalent for CPAN.pm, to make module installation easier.  While we're copying features from Perl, I also want a reasonable quoting construct for regular expressions so I don't have to quadruple-backslash everything.  Perl-like advanced regex features would also be nice.<br><br>I want eshell to have pipe and redirection capabilities.  Yes, I know I can use a different shell in shell-mode, but I want the ability to use lisp functions too.  I want both capabilities, at the same time, in the same shell.<br><br>I want cperl-mode to do a better job with complicated regular expressions and qq(strings) and such.  I know it's hard, but I want it anyway.<br><br>That's just the stuff I can think of off the top of my head, in a hurry because I need to go get ready for work now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I 'm honestly curious why it ca n't just go into &gt; the same kind of masterpiece-maintenance mode &gt; as some of Knuth 's projects like Tex.If you are the sort of person who has to ask this question , you can not possibly understand the answer .
I mean , come on , you 're happy using a cut-down piece of junk like mg that does n't even have a lisp interpreter built in .
What kind of text editor does n't even have a high-level language interpreter built in ?
You 'd spend ten or twenty times as long doing everything , for lack of the ability to easily reprogram the editor for the task at hand.But I will attempt to answer anyway .
The following is a list of features that I have looked for in Emacs and found wanting , things that every text editor * ought * to have , and it 's disgraceful that Emacs does n't have them.I want lazy evaluation .
I want to be able to do this : ( setq some-variable ( lazy ( some-function foo bar ) ) ) And then I want the next thing after that to go ahead and be evaluated .
I do n't want execution to pause and wait for some-function to complete until some computation actually needs the value of some-variable.I want better threading support , across the board .
Just * one * example is that I want Gnus to be checking for new mail in the background every n seconds while I 'm reading my mail , and automatically sort the new messages and insert them into the relevant groups , even if that means inserting them into a group I 'm currently reading and updating the message list in real time .
Gnus is just one example .
I want everything in Emacs to work as if the computer is capable of doing more than one thing at a time , because it 's not 1982 any more.I want some equivalent for CPAN.pm , to make module installation easier .
While we 're copying features from Perl , I also want a reasonable quoting construct for regular expressions so I do n't have to quadruple-backslash everything .
Perl-like advanced regex features would also be nice.I want eshell to have pipe and redirection capabilities .
Yes , I know I can use a different shell in shell-mode , but I want the ability to use lisp functions too .
I want both capabilities , at the same time , in the same shell.I want cperl-mode to do a better job with complicated regular expressions and qq ( strings ) and such .
I know it 's hard , but I want it anyway.That 's just the stuff I can think of off the top of my head , in a hurry because I need to go get ready for work now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; I'm honestly curious why it can't just go into&gt; the same kind of masterpiece-maintenance mode&gt; as some of Knuth's projects like Tex.If you are the sort of person who has to ask this question, you cannot possibly understand the answer.
I mean, come on, you're happy using a cut-down piece of junk like mg that doesn't even have a lisp interpreter built in.
What kind of text editor doesn't even have a high-level language interpreter built in?
You'd spend ten or twenty times as long doing everything, for lack of the ability to easily reprogram the editor for the task at hand.But I will attempt to answer anyway.
The following is a list of features that I have looked for in Emacs and found wanting, things that every text editor *ought* to have, and it's disgraceful that Emacs doesn't have them.I want lazy evaluation.
I want to be able to do this:(setq some-variable (lazy (some-function foo bar)))And then I want the next thing after that to go ahead and be evaluated.
I don't want execution to pause and wait for some-function to complete until some computation actually needs the value of some-variable.I want better threading support, across the board.
Just *one* example is that I want Gnus to be checking for new mail in the background every n seconds while I'm reading my mail, and automatically sort the new messages and insert them into the relevant groups, even if that means inserting them into a group I'm currently reading and updating the message list in real time.
Gnus is just one example.
I want everything in Emacs to work as if the computer is capable of doing more than one thing at a time, because it's not 1982 any more.I want some equivalent for CPAN.pm, to make module installation easier.
While we're copying features from Perl, I also want a reasonable quoting construct for regular expressions so I don't have to quadruple-backslash everything.
Perl-like advanced regex features would also be nice.I want eshell to have pipe and redirection capabilities.
Yes, I know I can use a different shell in shell-mode, but I want the ability to use lisp functions too.
I want both capabilities, at the same time, in the same shell.I want cperl-mode to do a better job with complicated regular expressions and qq(strings) and such.
I know it's hard, but I want it anyway.That's just the stuff I can think of off the top of my head, in a hurry because I need to go get ready for work now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30573132</id>
	<title>Re:What Does It Need?</title>
	<author>onefriedrice</author>
	<datestamp>1262025420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>One day I switched to Freemind and Open Office for documents and Gmail for email<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... so terribly un-geek like, but so much easier.</p></div><p>I don't care one iota about the "geekiness" of a solution.  If Gmail and OO.org works for you and you can get stuff done faster, that's wonderful.  Personally, I <i>did</i> look back after I realized I can get so much more done in vim.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One day I switched to Freemind and Open Office for documents and Gmail for email ... so terribly un-geek like , but so much easier.I do n't care one iota about the " geekiness " of a solution .
If Gmail and OO.org works for you and you can get stuff done faster , that 's wonderful .
Personally , I did look back after I realized I can get so much more done in vim .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One day I switched to Freemind and Open Office for documents and Gmail for email ... so terribly un-geek like, but so much easier.I don't care one iota about the "geekiness" of a solution.
If Gmail and OO.org works for you and you can get stuff done faster, that's wonderful.
Personally, I did look back after I realized I can get so much more done in vim.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30567990</id>
	<title>first first?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261930860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You'd think there'd be an emacs keystroke combo to check for duplicate words in a block of text.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'd think there 'd be an emacs keystroke combo to check for duplicate words in a block of text .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'd think there'd be an emacs keystroke combo to check for duplicate words in a block of text.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30575866</id>
	<title>Re:What Does It Need?</title>
	<author>Vintermann</author>
	<datestamp>1261995780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; One of the main reasons why I stick to, in my case Emacs, mutt &amp; similar tools is the extra options storing everything as (more or less) plain text gives me.</p><p>Since this is about editors and revision control... One little hack I did with my editor was to make it save all backups in a separate directory tree, make that a version control repository, and re-bind save so that it was save + commit. Crude, but it works. I don't like throwing things away<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-) Scales just fine so far.</p><p>What's the vcs and editor? Mercurial and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... JEdit!<br>(JEdit is actually pretty sweet. Like Emacs, it has plugins for everything under the sun, and it has common bindings, so unlike emacs, you don't have to mentally task-switch when using a non-emacs editor/text field/moon phase indicator.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; One of the main reasons why I stick to , in my case Emacs , mutt &amp; similar tools is the extra options storing everything as ( more or less ) plain text gives me.Since this is about editors and revision control... One little hack I did with my editor was to make it save all backups in a separate directory tree , make that a version control repository , and re-bind save so that it was save + commit .
Crude , but it works .
I do n't like throwing things away : - ) Scales just fine so far.What 's the vcs and editor ?
Mercurial and .. .
JEdit ! ( JEdit is actually pretty sweet .
Like Emacs , it has plugins for everything under the sun , and it has common bindings , so unlike emacs , you do n't have to mentally task-switch when using a non-emacs editor/text field/moon phase indicator .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; One of the main reasons why I stick to, in my case Emacs, mutt &amp; similar tools is the extra options storing everything as (more or less) plain text gives me.Since this is about editors and revision control... One little hack I did with my editor was to make it save all backups in a separate directory tree, make that a version control repository, and re-bind save so that it was save + commit.
Crude, but it works.
I don't like throwing things away :-) Scales just fine so far.What's the vcs and editor?
Mercurial and ...
JEdit!(JEdit is actually pretty sweet.
Like Emacs, it has plugins for everything under the sun, and it has common bindings, so unlike emacs, you don't have to mentally task-switch when using a non-emacs editor/text field/moon phase indicator.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30571496</id>
	<title>Re:What Does It Need?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262018040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> I want to use Emacs for my editor boxes in Firefox, notably.</p></div><p>You can. Check out itsalltext at http://trac.gerf.org/itsalltext.<br>Perfect combo for wiki with wikimode in emacs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I want to use Emacs for my editor boxes in Firefox , notably.You can .
Check out itsalltext at http : //trac.gerf.org/itsalltext.Perfect combo for wiki with wikimode in emacs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I want to use Emacs for my editor boxes in Firefox, notably.You can.
Check out itsalltext at http://trac.gerf.org/itsalltext.Perfect combo for wiki with wikimode in emacs.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568498</id>
	<title>Re:Cathedral &amp; the Bazaar? Irony?</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1261938240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oy, too much more of this, and we'll be setting ourselves up for a paradox.</p><p>You've got GNU/Emacs which is the operating system of its own, but runs on the GNU/Linux operating system as well. And it runs on the free proprietary OS. And Emacs is also in bazaar, even though it's based on the cathedral model. But its owner is very, very fond of bazaar (and bizarre, but that's neither there nor certainly here) development, despite not using it, while also using it.</p><p>Basically, we're looking at Emacs as a self-contradiction as things stand. Too much more of this and it's going to just go *poof*.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oy , too much more of this , and we 'll be setting ourselves up for a paradox.You 've got GNU/Emacs which is the operating system of its own , but runs on the GNU/Linux operating system as well .
And it runs on the free proprietary OS .
And Emacs is also in bazaar , even though it 's based on the cathedral model .
But its owner is very , very fond of bazaar ( and bizarre , but that 's neither there nor certainly here ) development , despite not using it , while also using it.Basically , we 're looking at Emacs as a self-contradiction as things stand .
Too much more of this and it 's going to just go * poof * .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oy, too much more of this, and we'll be setting ourselves up for a paradox.You've got GNU/Emacs which is the operating system of its own, but runs on the GNU/Linux operating system as well.
And it runs on the free proprietary OS.
And Emacs is also in bazaar, even though it's based on the cathedral model.
But its owner is very, very fond of bazaar (and bizarre, but that's neither there nor certainly here) development, despite not using it, while also using it.Basically, we're looking at Emacs as a self-contradiction as things stand.
Too much more of this and it's going to just go *poof*.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30569642</id>
	<title>Re:Emacs is in Bazaar</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1262002920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well do it quickly! vi is already taking over myc9hg over mc8hc8hdy taking over<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:!rm -rf<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:!echo NO CARRIER</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well do it quickly !
vi is already taking over myc9hg over mc8hc8hdy taking over : ! rm -rf : ! echo NO CARRIER</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well do it quickly!
vi is already taking over myc9hg over mc8hc8hdy taking over :!rm -rf :!echo NO CARRIER</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568984</id>
	<title>Re:What Does It Need?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262032920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what's wrong with Wanderlust for email?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what 's wrong with Wanderlust for email ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what's wrong with Wanderlust for email?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568034</id>
	<title>News?</title>
	<author>TheKidWho</author>
	<datestamp>1261931400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So some young whippersnappers decide to change things around and this is news?</p><p>Get off my lawn!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So some young whippersnappers decide to change things around and this is news ? Get off my lawn !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So some young whippersnappers decide to change things around and this is news?Get off my lawn!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568376</id>
	<title>Re:what's new?; bazaar versus git</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1261936380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As Linus explained, the &ldquo;easier&rdquo; argument is gone, since they did put really hard work into git&rsquo;s user interface. They knew that it was bad. And what was the normal interface back then, is now the low-level interface, with a whole new, nice interface on top. (But you can still use the low-level one, when you need it.)</p><p>Anyway, maybe it&rsquo;s me, but I don&rsquo;t see &ldquo;easy&rdquo; per se as a advantage. I prefer efficiency. And more often than I like it, easiness seems to mean <em>less</em> efficiency.<br>It&rsquo;s like &ldquo;Those who give up some efficiency for a little easiness, deserve neither&rdquo;. ^^<br>Of course the same is true for too (pointlessly) complicated interfaces too. (Main examples: Emacs and VI.)</p><p>The problem is, that most programmers seem to see that level of complexity as static. But it has to adapt to the user, over time. Rise when in need, fall when not. Stepless, if possible.<br>Instead they think in absolute, black and white, one-dimensional spaces: Either Notepad with Clippy, or Emacs/VM.<br>It&rsquo;s so <em>stupid</em>.</p><p>To me, git is a tool that is pretty nice in that aspect.<br>Simple committing and version management for yourself is very easy.<br>But if you <em>want</em> to do crazy stuff, like go back 10 versions, patch that one with eight other forks, wrap it, and the next five versions, into one version, and put that thing not only back into your repository, but into that of others too... then it doesn&rsquo;t leave you in the rain, but gives you the tools to do it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As Linus explained , the    easier    argument is gone , since they did put really hard work into git    s user interface .
They knew that it was bad .
And what was the normal interface back then , is now the low-level interface , with a whole new , nice interface on top .
( But you can still use the low-level one , when you need it .
) Anyway , maybe it    s me , but I don    t see    easy    per se as a advantage .
I prefer efficiency .
And more often than I like it , easiness seems to mean less efficiency.It    s like    Those who give up some efficiency for a little easiness , deserve neither    .
^ ^ Of course the same is true for too ( pointlessly ) complicated interfaces too .
( Main examples : Emacs and VI .
) The problem is , that most programmers seem to see that level of complexity as static .
But it has to adapt to the user , over time .
Rise when in need , fall when not .
Stepless , if possible.Instead they think in absolute , black and white , one-dimensional spaces : Either Notepad with Clippy , or Emacs/VM.It    s so stupid.To me , git is a tool that is pretty nice in that aspect.Simple committing and version management for yourself is very easy.But if you want to do crazy stuff , like go back 10 versions , patch that one with eight other forks , wrap it , and the next five versions , into one version , and put that thing not only back into your repository , but into that of others too... then it doesn    t leave you in the rain , but gives you the tools to do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As Linus explained, the “easier” argument is gone, since they did put really hard work into git’s user interface.
They knew that it was bad.
And what was the normal interface back then, is now the low-level interface, with a whole new, nice interface on top.
(But you can still use the low-level one, when you need it.
)Anyway, maybe it’s me, but I don’t see “easy” per se as a advantage.
I prefer efficiency.
And more often than I like it, easiness seems to mean less efficiency.It’s like “Those who give up some efficiency for a little easiness, deserve neither”.
^^Of course the same is true for too (pointlessly) complicated interfaces too.
(Main examples: Emacs and VI.
)The problem is, that most programmers seem to see that level of complexity as static.
But it has to adapt to the user, over time.
Rise when in need, fall when not.
Stepless, if possible.Instead they think in absolute, black and white, one-dimensional spaces: Either Notepad with Clippy, or Emacs/VM.It’s so stupid.To me, git is a tool that is pretty nice in that aspect.Simple committing and version management for yourself is very easy.But if you want to do crazy stuff, like go back 10 versions, patch that one with eight other forks, wrap it, and the next five versions, into one version, and put that thing not only back into your repository, but into that of others too... then it doesn’t leave you in the rain, but gives you the tools to do it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30570658</id>
	<title>Re:What Does It Need?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262013420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Threading: They are working on some sort of non-blocking I/O scheme. Check the mailing list.<br>2. Try the "It's All Text" Firefox extension<br>3. gnus has a steep learning curve but it is as sophisticated a mail client as you can hope for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Threading : They are working on some sort of non-blocking I/O scheme .
Check the mailing list.2 .
Try the " It 's All Text " Firefox extension3 .
gnus has a steep learning curve but it is as sophisticated a mail client as you can hope for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Threading: They are working on some sort of non-blocking I/O scheme.
Check the mailing list.2.
Try the "It's All Text" Firefox extension3.
gnus has a steep learning curve but it is as sophisticated a mail client as you can hope for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30572034</id>
	<title>Re:Emacs is in Bazaar</title>
	<author>jonadab</author>
	<datestamp>1262020680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; Will Emacs then update itself and become self-aware? That<br>&gt; ought to put the Emacs vs. VI debate to rest once and for all.<br><br>I'm not sure it would make any difference, actually.  The whole point of vi is to have an editor that doesn't really let you do anything else except edit text.  For vi users, this gives it some kind of theoretical aesthetic purity or something.<br><br>The only way to really put the Emacs versus vi debate to rest is to create a version of vi that contains a built-in lisp interpreter compatible with the one Emacs is built on.  The other side of things is already covered: Emacs has had viper-mode for a long time.  But to set the debate fully to rest it needs to go both ways.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Will Emacs then update itself and become self-aware ?
That &gt; ought to put the Emacs vs. VI debate to rest once and for all.I 'm not sure it would make any difference , actually .
The whole point of vi is to have an editor that does n't really let you do anything else except edit text .
For vi users , this gives it some kind of theoretical aesthetic purity or something.The only way to really put the Emacs versus vi debate to rest is to create a version of vi that contains a built-in lisp interpreter compatible with the one Emacs is built on .
The other side of things is already covered : Emacs has had viper-mode for a long time .
But to set the debate fully to rest it needs to go both ways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Will Emacs then update itself and become self-aware?
That&gt; ought to put the Emacs vs. VI debate to rest once and for all.I'm not sure it would make any difference, actually.
The whole point of vi is to have an editor that doesn't really let you do anything else except edit text.
For vi users, this gives it some kind of theoretical aesthetic purity or something.The only way to really put the Emacs versus vi debate to rest is to create a version of vi that contains a built-in lisp interpreter compatible with the one Emacs is built on.
The other side of things is already covered: Emacs has had viper-mode for a long time.
But to set the debate fully to rest it needs to go both ways.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30569262</id>
	<title>Re:What Does It Need?</title>
	<author>Lenbok</author>
	<datestamp>1261994580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A better mail client, or better integration with a GUI mail client. Emacs together with Remembrance makes for an awesome mail combo, but every time I've tried to do Email in Emacs, it's been a huge effort to keep it going.</p></div><p>I find the Wanderlust email client for emacs is pretty damn good - give it a try.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A better mail client , or better integration with a GUI mail client .
Emacs together with Remembrance makes for an awesome mail combo , but every time I 've tried to do Email in Emacs , it 's been a huge effort to keep it going.I find the Wanderlust email client for emacs is pretty damn good - give it a try .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A better mail client, or better integration with a GUI mail client.
Emacs together with Remembrance makes for an awesome mail combo, but every time I've tried to do Email in Emacs, it's been a huge effort to keep it going.I find the Wanderlust email client for emacs is pretty damn good - give it a try.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568412</id>
	<title>Re:Cathedral &amp; the Bazaar? Irony?</title>
	<author>jrumney</author>
	<datestamp>1261936980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>At the time of Eric Raymond's paper, Emacs development was of the Cathedral style, but that changed with the switch from RCS to CVS and the closed emacs-hackers mailing list to emacs-devel.  Compared with other major GNU projects, this switch came quite late, around 1998 (not 1993 as stated in the summary).</htmltext>
<tokenext>At the time of Eric Raymond 's paper , Emacs development was of the Cathedral style , but that changed with the switch from RCS to CVS and the closed emacs-hackers mailing list to emacs-devel .
Compared with other major GNU projects , this switch came quite late , around 1998 ( not 1993 as stated in the summary ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the time of Eric Raymond's paper, Emacs development was of the Cathedral style, but that changed with the switch from RCS to CVS and the closed emacs-hackers mailing list to emacs-devel.
Compared with other major GNU projects, this switch came quite late, around 1998 (not 1993 as stated in the summary).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30571948</id>
	<title>Re:The other kewl thing</title>
	<author>jonadab</author>
	<datestamp>1262020200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; Is, the code for EMACS is written in vi.<br><br>I didn't even know vi had an editing mode for Emacs lisp code.  Guess I shouldn't be surprised.  Out of curiosity, do they run vi directly on the bare metal, or from within Emacs?</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Is , the code for EMACS is written in vi.I did n't even know vi had an editing mode for Emacs lisp code .
Guess I should n't be surprised .
Out of curiosity , do they run vi directly on the bare metal , or from within Emacs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Is, the code for EMACS is written in vi.I didn't even know vi had an editing mode for Emacs lisp code.
Guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Out of curiosity, do they run vi directly on the bare metal, or from within Emacs?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568244</id>
	<title>Re:The other kewl thing</title>
	<author>palegray.net</author>
	<datestamp>1261934160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I though it was done in pico, then shifted to nano, and edited later in TextMate...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I though it was done in pico , then shifted to nano , and edited later in TextMate.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I though it was done in pico, then shifted to nano, and edited later in TextMate...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30570758</id>
	<title>Why Bazaar?</title>
	<author>dmpot</author>
	<datestamp>1262014080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The answer is politics, politics, and politics...

The subject of a modern VCS was brought by Eric Raymond, and he clearly favored to Mercurial. It seems most developers on the Emacs ML who were familiar with any DVCS were more inclined to choosing Git. I don't remember if anyone even mentioned Bazaar, before RMS announced that Emacs would migrate to Bazaar. As to justification for this decision, he said that Bazaar agreed to become a Gnu Project, and Gnu Projects should support one another.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The answer is politics , politics , and politics.. . The subject of a modern VCS was brought by Eric Raymond , and he clearly favored to Mercurial .
It seems most developers on the Emacs ML who were familiar with any DVCS were more inclined to choosing Git .
I do n't remember if anyone even mentioned Bazaar , before RMS announced that Emacs would migrate to Bazaar .
As to justification for this decision , he said that Bazaar agreed to become a Gnu Project , and Gnu Projects should support one another .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The answer is politics, politics, and politics...

The subject of a modern VCS was brought by Eric Raymond, and he clearly favored to Mercurial.
It seems most developers on the Emacs ML who were familiar with any DVCS were more inclined to choosing Git.
I don't remember if anyone even mentioned Bazaar, before RMS announced that Emacs would migrate to Bazaar.
As to justification for this decision, he said that Bazaar agreed to become a Gnu Project, and Gnu Projects should support one another.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30569692</id>
	<title>Re:Emacs is in Bazaar</title>
	<author>Razalhague</author>
	<datestamp>1262003700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>self-aware</p></div><p> <a href="http://vigor.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net">Been there, done that.</a> [sourceforge.net]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>self-aware Been there , done that .
[ sourceforge.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>self-aware Been there, done that.
[sourceforge.net]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568360</id>
	<title>Re:what's new?; bazaar versus git</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261936020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I haven't used Bazaar but for everything else I have tried git is way faster.  Considering Bazaar is written in Python I imagine the same is true.  Nothing even comes close to the performance of git.</p><p>I'm always impressed when I do updates from the very large Qt git repositories.  git just blasts through all of them like it's nothing.  Contrast with when I do updates from just a single Firefox repository which uses Mercurial (also written in Python) and takes freaking forever even though it's considerably smaller than all the Qt repositories combined (but updated way faster).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't used Bazaar but for everything else I have tried git is way faster .
Considering Bazaar is written in Python I imagine the same is true .
Nothing even comes close to the performance of git.I 'm always impressed when I do updates from the very large Qt git repositories .
git just blasts through all of them like it 's nothing .
Contrast with when I do updates from just a single Firefox repository which uses Mercurial ( also written in Python ) and takes freaking forever even though it 's considerably smaller than all the Qt repositories combined ( but updated way faster ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't used Bazaar but for everything else I have tried git is way faster.
Considering Bazaar is written in Python I imagine the same is true.
Nothing even comes close to the performance of git.I'm always impressed when I do updates from the very large Qt git repositories.
git just blasts through all of them like it's nothing.
Contrast with when I do updates from just a single Firefox repository which uses Mercurial (also written in Python) and takes freaking forever even though it's considerably smaller than all the Qt repositories combined (but updated way faster).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568630</id>
	<title>Re:what's new?; bazaar versus git</title>
	<author>shadowpuppy</author>
	<datestamp>1261940400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't really think bloat is an issue with Emacs any more. Not that it hasn't/won't grow in size over time but computers and other IDEs have far surpassed it.</p><p>Antialiased fonts make the new version completely worth the upgrade. They're just so much more pleasant to look at.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't really think bloat is an issue with Emacs any more .
Not that it has n't/wo n't grow in size over time but computers and other IDEs have far surpassed it.Antialiased fonts make the new version completely worth the upgrade .
They 're just so much more pleasant to look at .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't really think bloat is an issue with Emacs any more.
Not that it hasn't/won't grow in size over time but computers and other IDEs have far surpassed it.Antialiased fonts make the new version completely worth the upgrade.
They're just so much more pleasant to look at.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30569294</id>
	<title>Re:Emacs is in Bazaar</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261995240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yo, dawg! I heard you like recursion in your version control so I put a Bazaar server in your Emacs that's in Bazaar.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yo , dawg !
I heard you like recursion in your version control so I put a Bazaar server in your Emacs that 's in Bazaar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yo, dawg!
I heard you like recursion in your version control so I put a Bazaar server in your Emacs that's in Bazaar.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568046</id>
	<title>Extrapolating</title>
	<author>Jaxoreth</author>
	<datestamp>1261931520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://xkcd.com/605/" title="xkcd.com" rel="nofollow">http://xkcd.com/605/</a> [xkcd.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //xkcd.com/605/ [ xkcd.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://xkcd.com/605/ [xkcd.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568434</id>
	<title>Re:Cathedral &amp; the Bazaar? Irony?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261937280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It was GCC.  Since 3.0, GCC has taken a less cathderal like approach (although still using a centralized repository).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was GCC .
Since 3.0 , GCC has taken a less cathderal like approach ( although still using a centralized repository ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was GCC.
Since 3.0, GCC has taken a less cathderal like approach (although still using a centralized repository).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30574740</id>
	<title>Re:what's new?; bazaar versus git</title>
	<author>Haeleth</author>
	<datestamp>1262033220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One nice recent enhancement is that Emacs <i>finally</i> supports line wrapping the way everyone else does it, i.e. text that wraps on word boundaries at the edge of the window.</p><p>Users of other editors may be inclined to laugh at this point.  Go ahead; it really is ridiculous that it took so long for this feature to find its way into Emacs.  Let me know when your editor catches up with Emacs in every single other area imaginable.*</p><p><em>* Except threading and large file support, which are the two areas where Emacs is still lagging.</em></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One nice recent enhancement is that Emacs finally supports line wrapping the way everyone else does it , i.e .
text that wraps on word boundaries at the edge of the window.Users of other editors may be inclined to laugh at this point .
Go ahead ; it really is ridiculous that it took so long for this feature to find its way into Emacs .
Let me know when your editor catches up with Emacs in every single other area imaginable .
* * Except threading and large file support , which are the two areas where Emacs is still lagging .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One nice recent enhancement is that Emacs finally supports line wrapping the way everyone else does it, i.e.
text that wraps on word boundaries at the edge of the window.Users of other editors may be inclined to laugh at this point.
Go ahead; it really is ridiculous that it took so long for this feature to find its way into Emacs.
Let me know when your editor catches up with Emacs in every single other area imaginable.
** Except threading and large file support, which are the two areas where Emacs is still lagging.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30570196</id>
	<title>Re:What Does It Need?</title>
	<author>Magnus Pym</author>
	<datestamp>1262010240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perfect? Not quite.</p><p>I've been using Emacs for more than 20 years, and while it is unbeatable as a text editor, it suffers in comparison with modern code editors. For example, it does not have a source browser like visual slickedit does. In fact, the open source world at present does not have a good code browser that can handle C++ or any of the other modern languages. Sorry, cscope does not cut it. Xrefactory comes close, but suffers from its own weirdnesses and is not open source anyway. Even though I am as hard-core an Emacs bigot as anyone, I find myself using visual slickedit more and more these days.</p><p>Magnus.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perfect ?
Not quite.I 've been using Emacs for more than 20 years , and while it is unbeatable as a text editor , it suffers in comparison with modern code editors .
For example , it does not have a source browser like visual slickedit does .
In fact , the open source world at present does not have a good code browser that can handle C + + or any of the other modern languages .
Sorry , cscope does not cut it .
Xrefactory comes close , but suffers from its own weirdnesses and is not open source anyway .
Even though I am as hard-core an Emacs bigot as anyone , I find myself using visual slickedit more and more these days.Magnus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perfect?
Not quite.I've been using Emacs for more than 20 years, and while it is unbeatable as a text editor, it suffers in comparison with modern code editors.
For example, it does not have a source browser like visual slickedit does.
In fact, the open source world at present does not have a good code browser that can handle C++ or any of the other modern languages.
Sorry, cscope does not cut it.
Xrefactory comes close, but suffers from its own weirdnesses and is not open source anyway.
Even though I am as hard-core an Emacs bigot as anyone, I find myself using visual slickedit more and more these days.Magnus.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568424</id>
	<title>Re:Cathedral &amp; the Bazaar? Irony?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261937220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've never read it, but I believe that it was GCC that was considered a "Cathedral" project for a time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never read it , but I believe that it was GCC that was considered a " Cathedral " project for a time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never read it, but I believe that it was GCC that was considered a "Cathedral" project for a time.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30571052</id>
	<title>Re:What Does It Need?</title>
	<author>Mr. Slippery</author>
	<datestamp>1262015640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I want to use Emacs for my editor boxes in Firefox, notably.</p></div></blockquote><p>Have you tried <a href="http://mozex.mozdev.org/" title="mozdev.org" rel="nofollow">mozex</a> [mozdev.org]?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I want to use Emacs for my editor boxes in Firefox , notably.Have you tried mozex [ mozdev.org ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want to use Emacs for my editor boxes in Firefox, notably.Have you tried mozex [mozdev.org]?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568578</id>
	<title>What Does It Need?</title>
	<author>Greyfox</author>
	<datestamp>1261939500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Emacs is Perfect...
<p>
Well not entirely perfect, but I have yet to find a better editor for editing code. I keep my resume as a big lisp data structure which Emacs can use to emit into any markup language I care to write an emitter for (Currently HTML and plain text, but I've been pondering writing a LaTeX one as well.)
</p><p>
What I'd like to see in Emacs:
</p><ul>
<li>Threading. Currently everything runs in one big thread, so if you try to do too much processing with elisp the entire editor hangs up. There was a push a while back to replace elisp with Scheme, which would solve this handily, but that effort sort of petered out.</li>
<li>Better integration with GUI applications. I want to use Emacs for my editor boxes in Firefox, notably.</li>
<li>A better mail client, or better integration with a GUI mail client. Emacs together with Remembrance makes for an awesome mail combo, but every time I've tried to do Email in Emacs, it's been a huge effort to keep it going.</li>
</ul><p>
Ultimately it would be nifty if Emacs could work as well with the GUI components on my desktop as it can with text mode UNIX applications, but I suppose that might be asking too much of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Emacs is Perfect.. . Well not entirely perfect , but I have yet to find a better editor for editing code .
I keep my resume as a big lisp data structure which Emacs can use to emit into any markup language I care to write an emitter for ( Currently HTML and plain text , but I 've been pondering writing a LaTeX one as well .
) What I 'd like to see in Emacs : Threading .
Currently everything runs in one big thread , so if you try to do too much processing with elisp the entire editor hangs up .
There was a push a while back to replace elisp with Scheme , which would solve this handily , but that effort sort of petered out .
Better integration with GUI applications .
I want to use Emacs for my editor boxes in Firefox , notably .
A better mail client , or better integration with a GUI mail client .
Emacs together with Remembrance makes for an awesome mail combo , but every time I 've tried to do Email in Emacs , it 's been a huge effort to keep it going .
Ultimately it would be nifty if Emacs could work as well with the GUI components on my desktop as it can with text mode UNIX applications , but I suppose that might be asking too much of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Emacs is Perfect...

Well not entirely perfect, but I have yet to find a better editor for editing code.
I keep my resume as a big lisp data structure which Emacs can use to emit into any markup language I care to write an emitter for (Currently HTML and plain text, but I've been pondering writing a LaTeX one as well.
)

What I'd like to see in Emacs:

Threading.
Currently everything runs in one big thread, so if you try to do too much processing with elisp the entire editor hangs up.
There was a push a while back to replace elisp with Scheme, which would solve this handily, but that effort sort of petered out.
Better integration with GUI applications.
I want to use Emacs for my editor boxes in Firefox, notably.
A better mail client, or better integration with a GUI mail client.
Emacs together with Remembrance makes for an awesome mail combo, but every time I've tried to do Email in Emacs, it's been a huge effort to keep it going.
Ultimately it would be nifty if Emacs could work as well with the GUI components on my desktop as it can with text mode UNIX applications, but I suppose that might be asking too much of it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30569468</id>
	<title>Re:Wow, what quality...</title>
	<author>Kynde</author>
	<datestamp>1261999320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"Emacs's"</i></p><p><i>Take it from someone who has an "s" at the end of their name, it's supposed to be Emacs'.</i></p><p>Hardly, your case is far simpler, it's simply "Anonymous Coward's"</p><p>Take that from someone who actually read's both the posts and who wrote them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Emacs 's " Take it from someone who has an " s " at the end of their name , it 's supposed to be Emacs'.Hardly , your case is far simpler , it 's simply " Anonymous Coward 's " Take that from someone who actually read 's both the posts and who wrote them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Emacs's"Take it from someone who has an "s" at the end of their name, it's supposed to be Emacs'.Hardly, your case is far simpler, it's simply "Anonymous Coward's"Take that from someone who actually read's both the posts and who wrote them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568078</id>
	<title>The other kewl thing</title>
	<author>kurt555gs</author>
	<datestamp>1261932000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is, the code for EMACS is written in vi.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is , the code for EMACS is written in vi .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is, the code for EMACS is written in vi.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_28_0057231.30568808</id>
	<title>Re:Cathedral &amp; the Bazaar? Irony?</title>
	<author>dbIII</author>
	<datestamp>1261943400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Emacs has definitely been a one man band or small closed tightly controlled group effort at times in the past.  I lucidly remember the time when RMS forked it away from the emacs developer to one of his students.<br>Personally I think the tight control is why linux succeeded and hurd has not yet done so.  There's probably nothing wrong with hurd that a few thousand people putting in a bit of time couldn't fix, but the people that would be interested are not made to feel welcome.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Emacs has definitely been a one man band or small closed tightly controlled group effort at times in the past .
I lucidly remember the time when RMS forked it away from the emacs developer to one of his students.Personally I think the tight control is why linux succeeded and hurd has not yet done so .
There 's probably nothing wrong with hurd that a few thousand people putting in a bit of time could n't fix , but the people that would be interested are not made to feel welcome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Emacs has definitely been a one man band or small closed tightly controlled group effort at times in the past.
I lucidly remember the time when RMS forked it away from the emacs developer to one of his students.Personally I think the tight control is why linux succeeded and hurd has not yet done so.
There's probably nothing wrong with hurd that a few thousand people putting in a bit of time couldn't fix, but the people that would be interested are not made to feel welcome.</sentencetext>
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