<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_27_1316207</id>
	<title>Amazon Sells More Ebooks On Christmas Than Real Books</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1261924440000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>ctmurray writes
<i>"Amazon reports for the first time ever they <a href="http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=176060&amp;p=irol-newsArticle&amp;ID=1369429&amp;highlight=" title="corporate-ir.net">sold more ebooks on one day than real books</a>. My wife is an ebook-only author and reported her largest single day sales on Christmas day, and December has been her best month ever as well. All those <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938\_105-10422032-1.html">Kindles bought for this season</a> are being seen in ebook sales."</i>
The <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/24/AR2009122403326.html">battle with publishers over pricing</a> seems to be coming to the fore as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>ctmurray writes " Amazon reports for the first time ever they sold more ebooks on one day than real books .
My wife is an ebook-only author and reported her largest single day sales on Christmas day , and December has been her best month ever as well .
All those Kindles bought for this season are being seen in ebook sales .
" The battle with publishers over pricing seems to be coming to the fore as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ctmurray writes
"Amazon reports for the first time ever they sold more ebooks on one day than real books.
My wife is an ebook-only author and reported her largest single day sales on Christmas day, and December has been her best month ever as well.
All those Kindles bought for this season are being seen in ebook sales.
"
The battle with publishers over pricing seems to be coming to the fore as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563662</id>
	<title>Re:!sales</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261935180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sony eReader books are similarly priced... $9.99 for ebooks that are also in hardback.  You can also find plenty of "free" books from your local torrent site.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sony eReader books are similarly priced... $ 9.99 for ebooks that are also in hardback .
You can also find plenty of " free " books from your local torrent site .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sony eReader books are similarly priced... $9.99 for ebooks that are also in hardback.
You can also find plenty of "free" books from your local torrent site.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563068</id>
	<title>Greedy publishers</title>
	<author>vvaduva</author>
	<datestamp>1261928520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why isn't Amazon getting into the publishing business to avoid all these greedy publisher problems?  They have enough weight to put out ebooks without the involvement of people who seek out to drain every dollar from the author of the book, so I am not getting it.  Perhaps contractual obligations prevent them from doing so, but we are no longer living in the time when only the guy with the printing press dictated how things are done.  Or am I wrong?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is n't Amazon getting into the publishing business to avoid all these greedy publisher problems ?
They have enough weight to put out ebooks without the involvement of people who seek out to drain every dollar from the author of the book , so I am not getting it .
Perhaps contractual obligations prevent them from doing so , but we are no longer living in the time when only the guy with the printing press dictated how things are done .
Or am I wrong ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why isn't Amazon getting into the publishing business to avoid all these greedy publisher problems?
They have enough weight to put out ebooks without the involvement of people who seek out to drain every dollar from the author of the book, so I am not getting it.
Perhaps contractual obligations prevent them from doing so, but we are no longer living in the time when only the guy with the printing press dictated how things are done.
Or am I wrong?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563428</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy publishers</title>
	<author>thesuperbigfrog</author>
	<datestamp>1261932660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are in the ebook publishing business with the Amazon Digital Test Platform:  <a href="https://dtp.amazon.com/mn/signin" title="amazon.com">https://dtp.amazon.com/mn/signin</a> [amazon.com]</p><p>You can have your book published directly to Kindle and get better royalties than many other publishers would give you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are in the ebook publishing business with the Amazon Digital Test Platform : https : //dtp.amazon.com/mn/signin [ amazon.com ] You can have your book published directly to Kindle and get better royalties than many other publishers would give you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are in the ebook publishing business with the Amazon Digital Test Platform:  https://dtp.amazon.com/mn/signin [amazon.com]You can have your book published directly to Kindle and get better royalties than many other publishers would give you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563120</id>
	<title>public insanity?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261929180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Joe Sixpack:</p><p>Monday: "Hmm... it turns out that buying DRM music was not a good idea.  It's caused all sorts of problems for other people.  From now on, I'll just buy plain mp3's!!"</p><p>Tuesday: "I want to buy some e-books.  Hey, maybe DRM will be OK there!!"</p><p>Seriously, after the Kindle debacle, why on earth would anyone support that platform?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Joe Sixpack : Monday : " Hmm... it turns out that buying DRM music was not a good idea .
It 's caused all sorts of problems for other people .
From now on , I 'll just buy plain mp3 's ! !
" Tuesday : " I want to buy some e-books .
Hey , maybe DRM will be OK there ! !
" Seriously , after the Kindle debacle , why on earth would anyone support that platform ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Joe Sixpack:Monday: "Hmm... it turns out that buying DRM music was not a good idea.
It's caused all sorts of problems for other people.
From now on, I'll just buy plain mp3's!!
"Tuesday: "I want to buy some e-books.
Hey, maybe DRM will be OK there!!
"Seriously, after the Kindle debacle, why on earth would anyone support that platform?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30564268</id>
	<title>I've been buying eBooks for 10 years now.</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1261940940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been looking through my collection of eBooks, all but one non-DRMed Mobipocket or PalmDoc format, and the first ones I got were in January of 2000, right after I bought my first PDA. For me, eBooks were the "killer product" for a PDA.</p><p>Near as I can tell the big reason these things haven't taken off are:</p><p>1. The format wars. We need an "MP3 of eBooks". Mobipocket format is pretty common, and it's good enough.</p><p>2. The price. People aren't going to pay higher-than-paperback prices for an electronic book. They know how cheap electronic distribution is, that needs to be part of the deal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been looking through my collection of eBooks , all but one non-DRMed Mobipocket or PalmDoc format , and the first ones I got were in January of 2000 , right after I bought my first PDA .
For me , eBooks were the " killer product " for a PDA.Near as I can tell the big reason these things have n't taken off are : 1 .
The format wars .
We need an " MP3 of eBooks " .
Mobipocket format is pretty common , and it 's good enough.2 .
The price .
People are n't going to pay higher-than-paperback prices for an electronic book .
They know how cheap electronic distribution is , that needs to be part of the deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been looking through my collection of eBooks, all but one non-DRMed Mobipocket or PalmDoc format, and the first ones I got were in January of 2000, right after I bought my first PDA.
For me, eBooks were the "killer product" for a PDA.Near as I can tell the big reason these things haven't taken off are:1.
The format wars.
We need an "MP3 of eBooks".
Mobipocket format is pretty common, and it's good enough.2.
The price.
People aren't going to pay higher-than-paperback prices for an electronic book.
They know how cheap electronic distribution is, that needs to be part of the deal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563170</id>
	<title>Misleading....</title>
	<author>KronosReaver</author>
	<datestamp>1261929720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>
Just like iTunes, Amazon generates a zero dollar sales receipt when you download a free Ebook from them. And there are plenty of those to be found, mostly the first book in a series...

"Hey Kid, The first ones FREE." - but we will be counting it as a "Sale".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just like iTunes , Amazon generates a zero dollar sales receipt when you download a free Ebook from them .
And there are plenty of those to be found , mostly the first book in a series.. . " Hey Kid , The first ones FREE .
" - but we will be counting it as a " Sale " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Just like iTunes, Amazon generates a zero dollar sales receipt when you download a free Ebook from them.
And there are plenty of those to be found, mostly the first book in a series...

"Hey Kid, The first ones FREE.
" - but we will be counting it as a "Sale".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30564094</id>
	<title>Re:One day only</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261939320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only that, but I downloaded a couple of dozen books from the Kindle Store that cost $0.00. I'll bet that Amazon is counting that as a 'sale'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only that , but I downloaded a couple of dozen books from the Kindle Store that cost $ 0.00 .
I 'll bet that Amazon is counting that as a 'sale' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only that, but I downloaded a couple of dozen books from the Kindle Store that cost $0.00.
I'll bet that Amazon is counting that as a 'sale'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30565082</id>
	<title>Re:public insanity?</title>
	<author>ObjetDart</author>
	<datestamp>1261905180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess I'll wade in here with a perspective.  I'm someone who has been violently opposed to any DRM in my music files, and never bought a single track from iTunes in my life.  I'm also a Kindle owner who happily buys DRM'd books from Amazon all the time.  How can this be?</p><p>The difference I guess is how I want to consume the two different types of media.  I want to be able to play my music again and again, now, and 20 years from now, in my car, on my media player, on my 4 different PCs, and on my living room stereo.  DRM basically makes this impossible, or so convoluted as to be impractical.</p><p>OTOH, I only want to read a book once.  The only place that I want to read my eBook is on my Kindle.  I buy a Kindle book, I read it on the Kindle, and I'm done with it. That fact that it's DRM'd never affects me.  I don't care that I can't loan it or resell it later, these are just not big concerns for me.  I'm willing to give up those things in exchange for the convenience of a lightweight electronic reader.</p><p>I'm also aware that Amazon has no choice, just as Apple had no choice when they first introduced iTunes.  The DRM requirement is being driven by the publishers.  If Amazon wants to get the big publishers on board today, there must be some kind of copy protection in place to satisfy the dinosaurs.  Over time, I suspect this will change, just as it did with iTunes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess I 'll wade in here with a perspective .
I 'm someone who has been violently opposed to any DRM in my music files , and never bought a single track from iTunes in my life .
I 'm also a Kindle owner who happily buys DRM 'd books from Amazon all the time .
How can this be ? The difference I guess is how I want to consume the two different types of media .
I want to be able to play my music again and again , now , and 20 years from now , in my car , on my media player , on my 4 different PCs , and on my living room stereo .
DRM basically makes this impossible , or so convoluted as to be impractical.OTOH , I only want to read a book once .
The only place that I want to read my eBook is on my Kindle .
I buy a Kindle book , I read it on the Kindle , and I 'm done with it .
That fact that it 's DRM 'd never affects me .
I do n't care that I ca n't loan it or resell it later , these are just not big concerns for me .
I 'm willing to give up those things in exchange for the convenience of a lightweight electronic reader.I 'm also aware that Amazon has no choice , just as Apple had no choice when they first introduced iTunes .
The DRM requirement is being driven by the publishers .
If Amazon wants to get the big publishers on board today , there must be some kind of copy protection in place to satisfy the dinosaurs .
Over time , I suspect this will change , just as it did with iTunes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess I'll wade in here with a perspective.
I'm someone who has been violently opposed to any DRM in my music files, and never bought a single track from iTunes in my life.
I'm also a Kindle owner who happily buys DRM'd books from Amazon all the time.
How can this be?The difference I guess is how I want to consume the two different types of media.
I want to be able to play my music again and again, now, and 20 years from now, in my car, on my media player, on my 4 different PCs, and on my living room stereo.
DRM basically makes this impossible, or so convoluted as to be impractical.OTOH, I only want to read a book once.
The only place that I want to read my eBook is on my Kindle.
I buy a Kindle book, I read it on the Kindle, and I'm done with it.
That fact that it's DRM'd never affects me.
I don't care that I can't loan it or resell it later, these are just not big concerns for me.
I'm willing to give up those things in exchange for the convenience of a lightweight electronic reader.I'm also aware that Amazon has no choice, just as Apple had no choice when they first introduced iTunes.
The DRM requirement is being driven by the publishers.
If Amazon wants to get the big publishers on board today, there must be some kind of copy protection in place to satisfy the dinosaurs.
Over time, I suspect this will change, just as it did with iTunes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30568584</id>
	<title>Re:Of course...</title>
	<author>tlhIngan</author>
	<datestamp>1261939560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's all in the wording: "More Ebooks On Christmas Than Real Books", "sold more ebooks on one day than real books".</p><p>They aren't saying that people would suddenly rather buy/receive ebooks than regular books for christmas, they are saying that ebooks are an option for last-minute shoppers on christmas day. Basically ebooks are an alternative to buying gift cards, due to their instant delivery.</p></div></blockquote><p>For last minute gifts, yes.</p><p>But... given <strong>few stores are open</strong> on Christmas, is it any wonder that these services have a bump on Christmas? Especially if you got a gift card - if you want to spend it right after getting it, the only stores open are online ones. And the only ones that can get you the goods <strong>NOW</strong> are ones offering downloadable content.</p><p>Sure you can wait a day, but man, who wants to wait a day? And with Amazon, you can choose between getting it now, or in a week after the holidays.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's all in the wording : " More Ebooks On Christmas Than Real Books " , " sold more ebooks on one day than real books " .They are n't saying that people would suddenly rather buy/receive ebooks than regular books for christmas , they are saying that ebooks are an option for last-minute shoppers on christmas day .
Basically ebooks are an alternative to buying gift cards , due to their instant delivery.For last minute gifts , yes.But... given few stores are open on Christmas , is it any wonder that these services have a bump on Christmas ?
Especially if you got a gift card - if you want to spend it right after getting it , the only stores open are online ones .
And the only ones that can get you the goods NOW are ones offering downloadable content.Sure you can wait a day , but man , who wants to wait a day ?
And with Amazon , you can choose between getting it now , or in a week after the holidays .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's all in the wording: "More Ebooks On Christmas Than Real Books", "sold more ebooks on one day than real books".They aren't saying that people would suddenly rather buy/receive ebooks than regular books for christmas, they are saying that ebooks are an option for last-minute shoppers on christmas day.
Basically ebooks are an alternative to buying gift cards, due to their instant delivery.For last minute gifts, yes.But... given few stores are open on Christmas, is it any wonder that these services have a bump on Christmas?
Especially if you got a gift card - if you want to spend it right after getting it, the only stores open are online ones.
And the only ones that can get you the goods NOW are ones offering downloadable content.Sure you can wait a day, but man, who wants to wait a day?
And with Amazon, you can choose between getting it now, or in a week after the holidays.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30586566</id>
	<title>Re:Price is the problem.</title>
	<author>Dragoness Eclectic</author>
	<datestamp>1262081340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nobody has mentioned Baen Books and Webscriptions yet? Inexpensive, DRM-Free science-fiction &amp; fantasy eBooks, lots of them. Sure, they don't specifically sell Kindle-format through Amazon, but wait--they have DRM-free MOBI format, which *IS* Kindle format minus the DRM. And you can load it on your Kindle.</p><p>Me, I have a Sony PRS-505, because I didn't want to be locked into Amazon's proprietary format and ugly-ass eReader.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nobody has mentioned Baen Books and Webscriptions yet ?
Inexpensive , DRM-Free science-fiction &amp; fantasy eBooks , lots of them .
Sure , they do n't specifically sell Kindle-format through Amazon , but wait--they have DRM-free MOBI format , which * IS * Kindle format minus the DRM .
And you can load it on your Kindle.Me , I have a Sony PRS-505 , because I did n't want to be locked into Amazon 's proprietary format and ugly-ass eReader .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nobody has mentioned Baen Books and Webscriptions yet?
Inexpensive, DRM-Free science-fiction &amp; fantasy eBooks, lots of them.
Sure, they don't specifically sell Kindle-format through Amazon, but wait--they have DRM-free MOBI format, which *IS* Kindle format minus the DRM.
And you can load it on your Kindle.Me, I have a Sony PRS-505, because I didn't want to be locked into Amazon's proprietary format and ugly-ass eReader.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563142</id>
	<title>One day only</title>
	<author>LoverOfJoy</author>
	<datestamp>1261929420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>It makes sense that ebooks would outsell regular books on Christmas.
<br> <br>
How many people actually get online to buy regular books on Christmas day? The presents for others have already been bought. They aren't likely to get anything for themselves. Heck, unless you got a Kindle for Christmas you aren't likely to even go to the Amazon website on Christmas day. Most people are spending time with their family and enjoying the presents they DID receive. The people that are more into physical books likely got some physical books from friends or family. But the ones who got a Kindle will find it pretty useless until they put some books on it. Sure the gift giver may have put some books on there to begin with but more likely they gave them some cash or gift card to select their own books with.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It makes sense that ebooks would outsell regular books on Christmas .
How many people actually get online to buy regular books on Christmas day ?
The presents for others have already been bought .
They are n't likely to get anything for themselves .
Heck , unless you got a Kindle for Christmas you are n't likely to even go to the Amazon website on Christmas day .
Most people are spending time with their family and enjoying the presents they DID receive .
The people that are more into physical books likely got some physical books from friends or family .
But the ones who got a Kindle will find it pretty useless until they put some books on it .
Sure the gift giver may have put some books on there to begin with but more likely they gave them some cash or gift card to select their own books with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It makes sense that ebooks would outsell regular books on Christmas.
How many people actually get online to buy regular books on Christmas day?
The presents for others have already been bought.
They aren't likely to get anything for themselves.
Heck, unless you got a Kindle for Christmas you aren't likely to even go to the Amazon website on Christmas day.
Most people are spending time with their family and enjoying the presents they DID receive.
The people that are more into physical books likely got some physical books from friends or family.
But the ones who got a Kindle will find it pretty useless until they put some books on it.
Sure the gift giver may have put some books on there to begin with but more likely they gave them some cash or gift card to select their own books with.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563502</id>
	<title>Re:One day only</title>
	<author>Sporkinum</author>
	<datestamp>1261933440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I got an Amazon voucher for Christmas, but I can't think of anything I want or need from there.</p><p>BTW, maybe the reason kindle books sold so well, is because the regular books were covered by dreck like this.</p><p>Amazon.com's Hot Holiday Bestsellers (Nov. 15 through Dec. 19, based on units ordered):<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Books: "Going Rogue" by Sarah Palin; "The Lost Symbol" by Dan Brown; and "The Help" by Kathryn Stockett</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I got an Amazon voucher for Christmas , but I ca n't think of anything I want or need from there.BTW , maybe the reason kindle books sold so well , is because the regular books were covered by dreck like this.Amazon.com 's Hot Holiday Bestsellers ( Nov. 15 through Dec. 19 , based on units ordered ) :         * Books : " Going Rogue " by Sarah Palin ; " The Lost Symbol " by Dan Brown ; and " The Help " by Kathryn Stockett</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got an Amazon voucher for Christmas, but I can't think of anything I want or need from there.BTW, maybe the reason kindle books sold so well, is because the regular books were covered by dreck like this.Amazon.com's Hot Holiday Bestsellers (Nov. 15 through Dec. 19, based on units ordered):
        * Books: "Going Rogue" by Sarah Palin; "The Lost Symbol" by Dan Brown; and "The Help" by Kathryn Stockett</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563066</id>
	<title>New feature</title>
	<author>countertrolling</author>
	<datestamp>1261928520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All "books" come with disappearing ink.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All " books " come with disappearing ink .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All "books" come with disappearing ink.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30564162</id>
	<title>Enough with your fancy logic and common sense</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261940040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Begone foul spirit!  Away with you!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Begone foul spirit !
Away with you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Begone foul spirit!
Away with you!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30564382</id>
	<title>Of course...</title>
	<author>Memroid</author>
	<datestamp>1261941960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's all in the wording: "More Ebooks <strong>On Christmas</strong> Than Real Books", "sold more ebooks <strong>on one day</strong> than real books".</p><p>They aren't saying that people would suddenly rather buy/receive ebooks than regular books for christmas, they are saying that ebooks are an option for last-minute shoppers <strong>on christmas day</strong>. Basically ebooks are an alternative to buying gift cards, due to their instant delivery.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's all in the wording : " More Ebooks On Christmas Than Real Books " , " sold more ebooks on one day than real books " .They are n't saying that people would suddenly rather buy/receive ebooks than regular books for christmas , they are saying that ebooks are an option for last-minute shoppers on christmas day .
Basically ebooks are an alternative to buying gift cards , due to their instant delivery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's all in the wording: "More Ebooks On Christmas Than Real Books", "sold more ebooks on one day than real books".They aren't saying that people would suddenly rather buy/receive ebooks than regular books for christmas, they are saying that ebooks are an option for last-minute shoppers on christmas day.
Basically ebooks are an alternative to buying gift cards, due to their instant delivery.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563632</id>
	<title>Re:One day only</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261934820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Heck, unless you got a Kindle for Christmas you aren't likely to even go to the Amazon website on Christmas day"</p><p>I've got a Kindle prior to Christmas and I didn't buy anything for the Kindle that day.</p><p>However, it's pretty stupid of those potential shoppers otherwise.  You get some of the lowest prices of the year on Christmas day and the day after.  Maybe not books since those prices are fairly stable, but someone on Amazon is still there working or some algorithm is slashing prices.</p><p>But maybe I'm the only moron that has no life but saved $25+ on a lumbar pack that day while he was watching basketball on TV.  It was well below half of (true) list price.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Heck , unless you got a Kindle for Christmas you are n't likely to even go to the Amazon website on Christmas day " I 've got a Kindle prior to Christmas and I did n't buy anything for the Kindle that day.However , it 's pretty stupid of those potential shoppers otherwise .
You get some of the lowest prices of the year on Christmas day and the day after .
Maybe not books since those prices are fairly stable , but someone on Amazon is still there working or some algorithm is slashing prices.But maybe I 'm the only moron that has no life but saved $ 25 + on a lumbar pack that day while he was watching basketball on TV .
It was well below half of ( true ) list price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Heck, unless you got a Kindle for Christmas you aren't likely to even go to the Amazon website on Christmas day"I've got a Kindle prior to Christmas and I didn't buy anything for the Kindle that day.However, it's pretty stupid of those potential shoppers otherwise.
You get some of the lowest prices of the year on Christmas day and the day after.
Maybe not books since those prices are fairly stable, but someone on Amazon is still there working or some algorithm is slashing prices.But maybe I'm the only moron that has no life but saved $25+ on a lumbar pack that day while he was watching basketball on TV.
It was well below half of (true) list price.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30566510</id>
	<title>Re:!sales</title>
	<author>rrohbeck</author>
	<datestamp>1261916820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just download the PDF file from the Web or P2P after you paid. Then you have the best of both worlds: Peace of mind and a book that nobody can take away from you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just download the PDF file from the Web or P2P after you paid .
Then you have the best of both worlds : Peace of mind and a book that nobody can take away from you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just download the PDF file from the Web or P2P after you paid.
Then you have the best of both worlds: Peace of mind and a book that nobody can take away from you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563286</id>
	<title>Kindle, Schmindle...</title>
	<author>ACS Solver</author>
	<datestamp>1261931040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why does the summary of this article, along with most articles on e-books, mention Kindles as if they're the only e-book reader out there? Are they really that prevalent? Personally, I love the concept of e-books but don't like the way Kindle is designed. So I have a Sony Reader that I'm very satisfied with. More publicity for the Readers, I say!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does the summary of this article , along with most articles on e-books , mention Kindles as if they 're the only e-book reader out there ?
Are they really that prevalent ?
Personally , I love the concept of e-books but do n't like the way Kindle is designed .
So I have a Sony Reader that I 'm very satisfied with .
More publicity for the Readers , I say !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does the summary of this article, along with most articles on e-books, mention Kindles as if they're the only e-book reader out there?
Are they really that prevalent?
Personally, I love the concept of e-books but don't like the way Kindle is designed.
So I have a Sony Reader that I'm very satisfied with.
More publicity for the Readers, I say!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30567956</id>
	<title>fix for the pricing problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261930320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Buy the (cheapest available) physical copy of the book.  Download the pirated version of the e-book.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Buy the ( cheapest available ) physical copy of the book .
Download the pirated version of the e-book .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Buy the (cheapest available) physical copy of the book.
Download the pirated version of the e-book.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563088</id>
	<title>How many bought both?</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1261928700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm curious to know how many people bought both paper and electronic books. I'm more than hesitant to spend a large amount of money on electronic books that come with DRM and/or oversight.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm curious to know how many people bought both paper and electronic books .
I 'm more than hesitant to spend a large amount of money on electronic books that come with DRM and/or oversight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm curious to know how many people bought both paper and electronic books.
I'm more than hesitant to spend a large amount of money on electronic books that come with DRM and/or oversight.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563828</id>
	<title>Re:Price is the problem.</title>
	<author>Larryish</author>
	<datestamp>1261936860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have never bought an e-book either. However, I did order over half a dozen books from Amazon this month, one as a gift.</p><p>Amazon's used books are the best I have found price-wise besides thrift stores, and with thrift stores you can only buy what is physically there.</p><p>Most older books can be had for a penny plus $3.99 shipping (media mail).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have never bought an e-book either .
However , I did order over half a dozen books from Amazon this month , one as a gift.Amazon 's used books are the best I have found price-wise besides thrift stores , and with thrift stores you can only buy what is physically there.Most older books can be had for a penny plus $ 3.99 shipping ( media mail ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have never bought an e-book either.
However, I did order over half a dozen books from Amazon this month, one as a gift.Amazon's used books are the best I have found price-wise besides thrift stores, and with thrift stores you can only buy what is physically there.Most older books can be had for a penny plus $3.99 shipping (media mail).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30566914</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy publishers</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1261920180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>to avoid all these greedy publisher problems?</i><br>Generally authors enter into exclusive agreements with publishers so if they want to release e-book versions of existing published books then they have no choice but to work with the publishers of those books.</p><p>Just like if itunes want the current "hit" music they have to deal with the major record companies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>to avoid all these greedy publisher problems ? Generally authors enter into exclusive agreements with publishers so if they want to release e-book versions of existing published books then they have no choice but to work with the publishers of those books.Just like if itunes want the current " hit " music they have to deal with the major record companies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>to avoid all these greedy publisher problems?Generally authors enter into exclusive agreements with publishers so if they want to release e-book versions of existing published books then they have no choice but to work with the publishers of those books.Just like if itunes want the current "hit" music they have to deal with the major record companies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563644</id>
	<title>Kindle Prices ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261934940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I got an Amazon gift certificate for Christmas, because Amazon has no mechanism to gift Kindle books (which is strangely shortsighted, but not the topic on hand...)</p><p>I did buy one book with it, but three other books I was going to buy the kindle copies were substantially more than the print copies (in one case, more than double the cost -- $19.97 versus something in the $8 range for a *hardcover*!)</p><p>I'm not sure if others have noticed, but lately Kindle books have been trending upwards in price, and its pretty common now that paperback editions are less than the Kindle copies, whereas six months ago they tended to be cheaper, if only by a nickel or something...)</p><p>I don't know if prices jumped on Christmas because they expected this, and will come back down, or if these higher prices I noticed on that day will persist into the new year. I'm not sure what Amazon is thinking -- gaming prices is a bad idea when you start getting competition that people actually are talking about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I got an Amazon gift certificate for Christmas , because Amazon has no mechanism to gift Kindle books ( which is strangely shortsighted , but not the topic on hand... ) I did buy one book with it , but three other books I was going to buy the kindle copies were substantially more than the print copies ( in one case , more than double the cost -- $ 19.97 versus something in the $ 8 range for a * hardcover * !
) I 'm not sure if others have noticed , but lately Kindle books have been trending upwards in price , and its pretty common now that paperback editions are less than the Kindle copies , whereas six months ago they tended to be cheaper , if only by a nickel or something... ) I do n't know if prices jumped on Christmas because they expected this , and will come back down , or if these higher prices I noticed on that day will persist into the new year .
I 'm not sure what Amazon is thinking -- gaming prices is a bad idea when you start getting competition that people actually are talking about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got an Amazon gift certificate for Christmas, because Amazon has no mechanism to gift Kindle books (which is strangely shortsighted, but not the topic on hand...)I did buy one book with it, but three other books I was going to buy the kindle copies were substantially more than the print copies (in one case, more than double the cost -- $19.97 versus something in the $8 range for a *hardcover*!
)I'm not sure if others have noticed, but lately Kindle books have been trending upwards in price, and its pretty common now that paperback editions are less than the Kindle copies, whereas six months ago they tended to be cheaper, if only by a nickel or something...)I don't know if prices jumped on Christmas because they expected this, and will come back down, or if these higher prices I noticed on that day will persist into the new year.
I'm not sure what Amazon is thinking -- gaming prices is a bad idea when you start getting competition that people actually are talking about.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30565850</id>
	<title>Amazon gift</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261911120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I got an Amazon gift certificate for Christmas, because Amazon has no mechanism to gift Kindle books</p><p>http://www.dizi.info.tr</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I got an Amazon gift certificate for Christmas , because Amazon has no mechanism to gift Kindle bookshttp : //www.dizi.info.tr</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got an Amazon gift certificate for Christmas, because Amazon has no mechanism to gift Kindle bookshttp://www.dizi.info.tr</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30565506</id>
	<title>They Don't Have Critical Mass Yet...</title>
	<author>Senjutsu</author>
	<datestamp>1261908120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>In order to cut traditional publishers out of the loop, they need to have a critical mass of Kindle users.
<br> <br>
What do you think is going to happen when Amazon announces that they'd be happy to give any author 25\% of all sales if they publish direct through Amazon as opposed to the 5\% their publishing house gives them? All the traditional publishers will immediately pull their properties off of Amazon to try to kill their new rival (or at least, try not to keep feeding the hand that is strangling them). So Amazon's Kindle readership has to be big enough that the readership stays with them when a huge amount of back-catalogue suddenly stops being available for purchase, big enough that authors will leave behind editors they have developed working relationships with over <i>decades</i> to have access to.
<br> <br>
Amazon isn't there yet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In order to cut traditional publishers out of the loop , they need to have a critical mass of Kindle users .
What do you think is going to happen when Amazon announces that they 'd be happy to give any author 25 \ % of all sales if they publish direct through Amazon as opposed to the 5 \ % their publishing house gives them ?
All the traditional publishers will immediately pull their properties off of Amazon to try to kill their new rival ( or at least , try not to keep feeding the hand that is strangling them ) .
So Amazon 's Kindle readership has to be big enough that the readership stays with them when a huge amount of back-catalogue suddenly stops being available for purchase , big enough that authors will leave behind editors they have developed working relationships with over decades to have access to .
Amazon is n't there yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In order to cut traditional publishers out of the loop, they need to have a critical mass of Kindle users.
What do you think is going to happen when Amazon announces that they'd be happy to give any author 25\% of all sales if they publish direct through Amazon as opposed to the 5\% their publishing house gives them?
All the traditional publishers will immediately pull their properties off of Amazon to try to kill their new rival (or at least, try not to keep feeding the hand that is strangling them).
So Amazon's Kindle readership has to be big enough that the readership stays with them when a huge amount of back-catalogue suddenly stops being available for purchase, big enough that authors will leave behind editors they have developed working relationships with over decades to have access to.
Amazon isn't there yet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30565388</id>
	<title>Re:Not really surprising.</title>
	<author>mikael</author>
	<datestamp>1261907220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Delivery costs for any book delivered from an online retailer are at least 10 pounds in the UK by courier for delivery within a wekk. Even more if you want next day delivery. Books from the local bookstore are about the same as the online retailer - though this depends on the location. I found that ordering books from the campus bookstore was more expensive that the downtown store, along with writing pads and pens. Both have to pay for commercial leases, but you have to handle the delivery to your home yourself, either by paying a public transport fare or driving your car.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Delivery costs for any book delivered from an online retailer are at least 10 pounds in the UK by courier for delivery within a wekk .
Even more if you want next day delivery .
Books from the local bookstore are about the same as the online retailer - though this depends on the location .
I found that ordering books from the campus bookstore was more expensive that the downtown store , along with writing pads and pens .
Both have to pay for commercial leases , but you have to handle the delivery to your home yourself , either by paying a public transport fare or driving your car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Delivery costs for any book delivered from an online retailer are at least 10 pounds in the UK by courier for delivery within a wekk.
Even more if you want next day delivery.
Books from the local bookstore are about the same as the online retailer - though this depends on the location.
I found that ordering books from the campus bookstore was more expensive that the downtown store, along with writing pads and pens.
Both have to pay for commercial leases, but you have to handle the delivery to your home yourself, either by paying a public transport fare or driving your car.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563126</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy publishers</title>
	<author>stoolpigeon</author>
	<datestamp>1261929300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are in the publishing business - it's called <a href="http://www.booksurge.com/" title="booksurge.com">booksurge</a> [booksurge.com] and is apparently in the process of being rebranded CreateSpace.</p><p>This is print on demand, self publishing stuff but reading the above articles make it pretty clear to me that this is where stuff is headed.  The big publishing houses don't make a lot of sense any more.  Pretty much like music.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are in the publishing business - it 's called booksurge [ booksurge.com ] and is apparently in the process of being rebranded CreateSpace.This is print on demand , self publishing stuff but reading the above articles make it pretty clear to me that this is where stuff is headed .
The big publishing houses do n't make a lot of sense any more .
Pretty much like music .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are in the publishing business - it's called booksurge [booksurge.com] and is apparently in the process of being rebranded CreateSpace.This is print on demand, self publishing stuff but reading the above articles make it pretty clear to me that this is where stuff is headed.
The big publishing houses don't make a lot of sense any more.
Pretty much like music.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30566970</id>
	<title>Re:Price is the problem.</title>
	<author>trawg</author>
	<datestamp>1261920660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I just flat-out refuse to pay 50\% more for the same content in basically the same format that the publisher already has filed away somewhere. When do you think the last time that a major popular author wrote out a manuscript on a typewriter was? Or longhand? You know it's already in an electronic document format somewhere.</p></div><p> Neal Stephenson apparently wrote the entire Baroque Cycle by hand using a fountain pen. Old school!</p><p>For me the best solution to the ebook price debacle would be to sell ebooks at the same price as regular books, let me download the ebook instantly, and then send me the paper book in the mail. I like having the paper books around. It's like when I buy CDs - I get the CD, rip it, then throw it on the shelf never to be used again (unless I lose my mp3 collection or something).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just flat-out refuse to pay 50 \ % more for the same content in basically the same format that the publisher already has filed away somewhere .
When do you think the last time that a major popular author wrote out a manuscript on a typewriter was ?
Or longhand ?
You know it 's already in an electronic document format somewhere .
Neal Stephenson apparently wrote the entire Baroque Cycle by hand using a fountain pen .
Old school ! For me the best solution to the ebook price debacle would be to sell ebooks at the same price as regular books , let me download the ebook instantly , and then send me the paper book in the mail .
I like having the paper books around .
It 's like when I buy CDs - I get the CD , rip it , then throw it on the shelf never to be used again ( unless I lose my mp3 collection or something ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just flat-out refuse to pay 50\% more for the same content in basically the same format that the publisher already has filed away somewhere.
When do you think the last time that a major popular author wrote out a manuscript on a typewriter was?
Or longhand?
You know it's already in an electronic document format somewhere.
Neal Stephenson apparently wrote the entire Baroque Cycle by hand using a fountain pen.
Old school!For me the best solution to the ebook price debacle would be to sell ebooks at the same price as regular books, let me download the ebook instantly, and then send me the paper book in the mail.
I like having the paper books around.
It's like when I buy CDs - I get the CD, rip it, then throw it on the shelf never to be used again (unless I lose my mp3 collection or something).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563040</id>
	<title>fist post</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261928160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I havent been banned from posting from this computer because I don't live here. I'm just visting my girfriend's parents.</p><p>I'd just like to take the opportunity to say, "Fuck you, Slashdot."</p><p>Bunch of group-think retards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I havent been banned from posting from this computer because I do n't live here .
I 'm just visting my girfriend 's parents.I 'd just like to take the opportunity to say , " Fuck you , Slashdot .
" Bunch of group-think retards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I havent been banned from posting from this computer because I don't live here.
I'm just visting my girfriend's parents.I'd just like to take the opportunity to say, "Fuck you, Slashdot.
"Bunch of group-think retards.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30575094</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy publishers</title>
	<author>Shagg</author>
	<datestamp>1261991880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They have enough weight to put out ebooks without the involvement of people who seek out to drain every dollar from the author of the book</p></div><p>What makes you think Amazon won't seek to drain every dollar from the author as well?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They have enough weight to put out ebooks without the involvement of people who seek out to drain every dollar from the author of the bookWhat makes you think Amazon wo n't seek to drain every dollar from the author as well ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have enough weight to put out ebooks without the involvement of people who seek out to drain every dollar from the author of the bookWhat makes you think Amazon won't seek to drain every dollar from the author as well?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563320</id>
	<title>Where is the catch?</title>
	<author>giladpn</author>
	<datestamp>1261931280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lets all look around us; people who read books have not moved en-masse to e-books. So how come Amazon is announcing sales of e-books have surpassed regular books?
<br> <br>
There is a trendiness effect. People who usually do NOT read books may still buy an e-book reader for someone else... esepcially on official toy-giving day a.k.a xmas.
<br> <br>
Sure, eventually e-book readers make sense and will replace paper. I'm just saying that day is not now.
<br> <br>
In fact, by the time e-book readers replace paper, they may look like paper themselves. There is a tech trend towards computers that are as thin as a sheet of paper...
<br> <br>
Personally I like paper, so I will buy an e-book when it catches up and becomes as thin as paper. Not long to wait - a year or three.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lets all look around us ; people who read books have not moved en-masse to e-books .
So how come Amazon is announcing sales of e-books have surpassed regular books ?
There is a trendiness effect .
People who usually do NOT read books may still buy an e-book reader for someone else... esepcially on official toy-giving day a.k.a xmas .
Sure , eventually e-book readers make sense and will replace paper .
I 'm just saying that day is not now .
In fact , by the time e-book readers replace paper , they may look like paper themselves .
There is a tech trend towards computers that are as thin as a sheet of paper.. . Personally I like paper , so I will buy an e-book when it catches up and becomes as thin as paper .
Not long to wait - a year or three .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lets all look around us; people who read books have not moved en-masse to e-books.
So how come Amazon is announcing sales of e-books have surpassed regular books?
There is a trendiness effect.
People who usually do NOT read books may still buy an e-book reader for someone else... esepcially on official toy-giving day a.k.a xmas.
Sure, eventually e-book readers make sense and will replace paper.
I'm just saying that day is not now.
In fact, by the time e-book readers replace paper, they may look like paper themselves.
There is a tech trend towards computers that are as thin as a sheet of paper...
 
Personally I like paper, so I will buy an e-book when it catches up and becomes as thin as paper.
Not long to wait - a year or three.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563924</id>
	<title>One more thing: lots of free books!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261937580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Many titles at Amazon are free public domain titles or free samples from aspiring writers, so it's very plausible that someone with a brand new Kindle would just go online on Christmas day and download as many free titles as they could.</p><p>Kindle can fit 1,500 books, then why not add all Jules Verne, Joseph Conrad, and a lot of other books as well? Even if they are free, they still count as units sold (as exemplified by the bestsellers list at Amazon: 19 of the top 25 Kindle books are free, including the top 3).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many titles at Amazon are free public domain titles or free samples from aspiring writers , so it 's very plausible that someone with a brand new Kindle would just go online on Christmas day and download as many free titles as they could.Kindle can fit 1,500 books , then why not add all Jules Verne , Joseph Conrad , and a lot of other books as well ?
Even if they are free , they still count as units sold ( as exemplified by the bestsellers list at Amazon : 19 of the top 25 Kindle books are free , including the top 3 ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many titles at Amazon are free public domain titles or free samples from aspiring writers, so it's very plausible that someone with a brand new Kindle would just go online on Christmas day and download as many free titles as they could.Kindle can fit 1,500 books, then why not add all Jules Verne, Joseph Conrad, and a lot of other books as well?
Even if they are free, they still count as units sold (as exemplified by the bestsellers list at Amazon: 19 of the top 25 Kindle books are free, including the top 3).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563724</id>
	<title>Re:Where is the catch?</title>
	<author>masmullin</author>
	<datestamp>1261935960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>"becomes as thin as paper"<br><br>My PRS 505 is way thinner than a 500page book.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" becomes as thin as paper " My PRS 505 is way thinner than a 500page book .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"becomes as thin as paper"My PRS 505 is way thinner than a 500page book.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30564446</id>
	<title>consider this</title>
	<author>ILuvRamen</author>
	<datestamp>1261942740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And with everyone pretty much having to buy their college textbooks for next semester in paper form, that's pretty unusual.  I would think that's a huge portion of the sales.  Factor that out and it's probably an even bigger digital to paper ratio for just novels and stuff.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And with everyone pretty much having to buy their college textbooks for next semester in paper form , that 's pretty unusual .
I would think that 's a huge portion of the sales .
Factor that out and it 's probably an even bigger digital to paper ratio for just novels and stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And with everyone pretty much having to buy their college textbooks for next semester in paper form, that's pretty unusual.
I would think that's a huge portion of the sales.
Factor that out and it's probably an even bigger digital to paper ratio for just novels and stuff.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30567902</id>
	<title>Re:Price is the problem.</title>
	<author>ctmurray</author>
	<datestamp>1261929600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>On Amazon for the Kindle in ebook format:
<br> <br>
1. Thousands of public domain books, for free.
<br> <br>
2. Thousands of small publishers and indies have really taken to Kindle and priced their offerings at the $7.00 and lower, many at $0.99 to $2.99. You can download the first three chapters for free to see if you want to "risk" your money on an indie. These people have all tried to get regular publishers to take them on with no success. They realize how broken the middleman to publisher to distributor model of publishing has become. Amazon offers a much higher reward to the author (they get 35\% from Amazon) so your dollars are going more to the creator and less to the distribution. Yes some of these indies are examples of bad writing, but Amazon's grading system from readers (like slashdot's scores), their ability to link you to other books like the one you were perusing, can get you to the well written books.
<br> <br>
3. Mainstream publishers fighting ebooks to the bitter end. These are the people charging more for ebooks vs paperback. Yes I know this is where many people naturally go to find the well known authors, so I feel your pain about paying more for the ebook. This is not Amazon's fault, they don't set the pricing.
<br> <br>
Obviously I suggest you check out indie authors.</htmltext>
<tokenext>On Amazon for the Kindle in ebook format : 1 .
Thousands of public domain books , for free .
2. Thousands of small publishers and indies have really taken to Kindle and priced their offerings at the $ 7.00 and lower , many at $ 0.99 to $ 2.99 .
You can download the first three chapters for free to see if you want to " risk " your money on an indie .
These people have all tried to get regular publishers to take them on with no success .
They realize how broken the middleman to publisher to distributor model of publishing has become .
Amazon offers a much higher reward to the author ( they get 35 \ % from Amazon ) so your dollars are going more to the creator and less to the distribution .
Yes some of these indies are examples of bad writing , but Amazon 's grading system from readers ( like slashdot 's scores ) , their ability to link you to other books like the one you were perusing , can get you to the well written books .
3. Mainstream publishers fighting ebooks to the bitter end .
These are the people charging more for ebooks vs paperback .
Yes I know this is where many people naturally go to find the well known authors , so I feel your pain about paying more for the ebook .
This is not Amazon 's fault , they do n't set the pricing .
Obviously I suggest you check out indie authors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On Amazon for the Kindle in ebook format:
 
1.
Thousands of public domain books, for free.
2. Thousands of small publishers and indies have really taken to Kindle and priced their offerings at the $7.00 and lower, many at $0.99 to $2.99.
You can download the first three chapters for free to see if you want to "risk" your money on an indie.
These people have all tried to get regular publishers to take them on with no success.
They realize how broken the middleman to publisher to distributor model of publishing has become.
Amazon offers a much higher reward to the author (they get 35\% from Amazon) so your dollars are going more to the creator and less to the distribution.
Yes some of these indies are examples of bad writing, but Amazon's grading system from readers (like slashdot's scores), their ability to link you to other books like the one you were perusing, can get you to the well written books.
3. Mainstream publishers fighting ebooks to the bitter end.
These are the people charging more for ebooks vs paperback.
Yes I know this is where many people naturally go to find the well known authors, so I feel your pain about paying more for the ebook.
This is not Amazon's fault, they don't set the pricing.
Obviously I suggest you check out indie authors.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563488</id>
	<title>Re:!sales</title>
	<author>ClosedSource</author>
	<datestamp>1261933320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"or leaving them on a train for strangers"</p><p>Of course you can. You just leave your Kindle behind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" or leaving them on a train for strangers " Of course you can .
You just leave your Kindle behind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"or leaving them on a train for strangers"Of course you can.
You just leave your Kindle behind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563300</id>
	<title>Re:!sales</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1261931100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>At least they're cheaper than buying a real book though. Oh wait.</p></div></blockquote><p>

I see the book my wife gave me for Christmas is cheaper as an ebook: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Big-Burn-Roosevelt-America-ebook/dp/B002UKPV9S/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1261927211&amp;sr=8-1" title="amazon.com">$9.99</a> [amazon.com]  vs <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Big-Burn-Teddy-Roosevelt-America/dp/0618968415/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1261927198&amp;sr=8-1" title="amazon.com">$15.47</a> [amazon.com].  $9.99 doesn't seem like a bad price out of hand, although $6.99 or $0.01 would be even better<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)
</p><p>
Now, I realize that's a sample size of one.  I'd be interested from Kindle readers whether the books you actually buy tend to be cheaper than the hardcopies?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>At least they 're cheaper than buying a real book though .
Oh wait .
I see the book my wife gave me for Christmas is cheaper as an ebook : $ 9.99 [ amazon.com ] vs $ 15.47 [ amazon.com ] .
$ 9.99 does n't seem like a bad price out of hand , although $ 6.99 or $ 0.01 would be even better : ) Now , I realize that 's a sample size of one .
I 'd be interested from Kindle readers whether the books you actually buy tend to be cheaper than the hardcopies ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least they're cheaper than buying a real book though.
Oh wait.
I see the book my wife gave me for Christmas is cheaper as an ebook: $9.99 [amazon.com]  vs $15.47 [amazon.com].
$9.99 doesn't seem like a bad price out of hand, although $6.99 or $0.01 would be even better :)

Now, I realize that's a sample size of one.
I'd be interested from Kindle readers whether the books you actually buy tend to be cheaper than the hardcopies?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30564594</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy publishers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261944120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Brilliance Audio... audiobook publishers, owned by amazon.<br>Booksurge - - POD publishers,  owned by amazon<br>AmazonEncore - full our book publishing, owned by Amazon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Brilliance Audio... audiobook publishers , owned by amazon.Booksurge - - POD publishers , owned by amazonAmazonEncore - full our book publishing , owned by Amazon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Brilliance Audio... audiobook publishers, owned by amazon.Booksurge - - POD publishers,  owned by amazonAmazonEncore - full our book publishing, owned by Amazon</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30569014</id>
	<title>Not Greedy publishers, but Greedy Amazon</title>
	<author>stephanruby</author>
	<datestamp>1262033400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Why isn't Amazon getting into the publishing business to avoid all these greedy publisher problems?</p></div></blockquote><p>What makes you think that Amazon isn't going to become as greedy as the little "greedy publishers" themselves? After all, this is essentially what happened the last time Amazon felt it had enough of a foothold with web affiliates. Once affiliates had invested enough time and money to build up their infrastructure customized around Amazon's technology, Amazon unilaterally decided to drastically cut down their commissions. And the price of the books themselves didn't go down, only their commissions did. </p><p>And don't get me started on their one-click shopping nonsense. That patent has been mostly defanged by now, but it certainly wasn't for a lack of trying on their part. And if prior history is any indication, once Amazon feels it has enough leverage that you can't do without them, it will tell you to bend over and just take it -- that's just how their management thinks. </p><p>If you're a book author, you better be really careful about that. If you ever deal with Amazon the publisher (or a publisher they own, or any publisher for that matter), don't ever just sign on the dotted line. Some contracts are written in such a way, that they are never in your interest to sign -- ever. </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is n't Amazon getting into the publishing business to avoid all these greedy publisher problems ? What makes you think that Amazon is n't going to become as greedy as the little " greedy publishers " themselves ?
After all , this is essentially what happened the last time Amazon felt it had enough of a foothold with web affiliates .
Once affiliates had invested enough time and money to build up their infrastructure customized around Amazon 's technology , Amazon unilaterally decided to drastically cut down their commissions .
And the price of the books themselves did n't go down , only their commissions did .
And do n't get me started on their one-click shopping nonsense .
That patent has been mostly defanged by now , but it certainly was n't for a lack of trying on their part .
And if prior history is any indication , once Amazon feels it has enough leverage that you ca n't do without them , it will tell you to bend over and just take it -- that 's just how their management thinks .
If you 're a book author , you better be really careful about that .
If you ever deal with Amazon the publisher ( or a publisher they own , or any publisher for that matter ) , do n't ever just sign on the dotted line .
Some contracts are written in such a way , that they are never in your interest to sign -- ever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why isn't Amazon getting into the publishing business to avoid all these greedy publisher problems?What makes you think that Amazon isn't going to become as greedy as the little "greedy publishers" themselves?
After all, this is essentially what happened the last time Amazon felt it had enough of a foothold with web affiliates.
Once affiliates had invested enough time and money to build up their infrastructure customized around Amazon's technology, Amazon unilaterally decided to drastically cut down their commissions.
And the price of the books themselves didn't go down, only their commissions did.
And don't get me started on their one-click shopping nonsense.
That patent has been mostly defanged by now, but it certainly wasn't for a lack of trying on their part.
And if prior history is any indication, once Amazon feels it has enough leverage that you can't do without them, it will tell you to bend over and just take it -- that's just how their management thinks.
If you're a book author, you better be really careful about that.
If you ever deal with Amazon the publisher (or a publisher they own, or any publisher for that matter), don't ever just sign on the dotted line.
Some contracts are written in such a way, that they are never in your interest to sign -- ever. 
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563148</id>
	<title>!sales</title>
	<author>Blue Stone</author>
	<datestamp>1261929420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course none of those sales are really sales - they're just rentals: no lending, no resales, no giving them to a friend or leaving them on a train for strangers (never mind still being capable of being deleted by Amazon as they see fit).</p><p>At least they're cheaper than buying a real book though. Oh wait.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course none of those sales are really sales - they 're just rentals : no lending , no resales , no giving them to a friend or leaving them on a train for strangers ( never mind still being capable of being deleted by Amazon as they see fit ) .At least they 're cheaper than buying a real book though .
Oh wait .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course none of those sales are really sales - they're just rentals: no lending, no resales, no giving them to a friend or leaving them on a train for strangers (never mind still being capable of being deleted by Amazon as they see fit).At least they're cheaper than buying a real book though.
Oh wait.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30564968</id>
	<title>Re:public insanity?</title>
	<author>Neuroelectronic</author>
	<datestamp>1261904580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>convenience.</p><p>Moving files around to break DRM isn't convenient and the benefit is not immediately obvious to most people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>convenience.Moving files around to break DRM is n't convenient and the benefit is not immediately obvious to most people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>convenience.Moving files around to break DRM isn't convenient and the benefit is not immediately obvious to most people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563520</id>
	<title>Re:public insanity?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261933560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm thinking (the people who use bittorrent to get all of their media) and (the people who buy eBooks for their Kindle) are generally two different crowds. Kindle users are probably the type who got all their music from CD's and iTunes and never noticed DRM because it doesn't stop you from playing your music on your iPod.</p><p> The only reason it affects me is because I like the media to be editable. For instance, if I had a Rocky DVD, I'd edit it so it ends with Rocky saying, "I'm scared, okay?" and then the credits roll. And the new Leona Lewis CD has two songs in one track at the end, seperated by more than a minute of silence. I split it into two seperate tracks with no silence. But how many people actually care about Rocky or a hidden track that much?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm thinking ( the people who use bittorrent to get all of their media ) and ( the people who buy eBooks for their Kindle ) are generally two different crowds .
Kindle users are probably the type who got all their music from CD 's and iTunes and never noticed DRM because it does n't stop you from playing your music on your iPod .
The only reason it affects me is because I like the media to be editable .
For instance , if I had a Rocky DVD , I 'd edit it so it ends with Rocky saying , " I 'm scared , okay ?
" and then the credits roll .
And the new Leona Lewis CD has two songs in one track at the end , seperated by more than a minute of silence .
I split it into two seperate tracks with no silence .
But how many people actually care about Rocky or a hidden track that much ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm thinking (the people who use bittorrent to get all of their media) and (the people who buy eBooks for their Kindle) are generally two different crowds.
Kindle users are probably the type who got all their music from CD's and iTunes and never noticed DRM because it doesn't stop you from playing your music on your iPod.
The only reason it affects me is because I like the media to be editable.
For instance, if I had a Rocky DVD, I'd edit it so it ends with Rocky saying, "I'm scared, okay?
" and then the credits roll.
And the new Leona Lewis CD has two songs in one track at the end, seperated by more than a minute of silence.
I split it into two seperate tracks with no silence.
But how many people actually care about Rocky or a hidden track that much?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563278</id>
	<title>Nota Bene</title>
	<author>iluvcapra</author>
	<datestamp>1261930980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>TFA says that Amazon sold more ebooks than physical books "[o]n Christmas Day" only.  Which makes sense, considering everyone is flush with gift certificates and Exmas morning s probably the slowest mail-order purchase day of the year.</htmltext>
<tokenext>TFA says that Amazon sold more ebooks than physical books " [ o ] n Christmas Day " only .
Which makes sense , considering everyone is flush with gift certificates and Exmas morning s probably the slowest mail-order purchase day of the year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TFA says that Amazon sold more ebooks than physical books "[o]n Christmas Day" only.
Which makes sense, considering everyone is flush with gift certificates and Exmas morning s probably the slowest mail-order purchase day of the year.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563356</id>
	<title>Not Surprising</title>
	<author>Rehnberg</author>
	<datestamp>1261931640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, I'm not surprised. A lot of people would be getting Kindles on Christmas, and would need to fill them, whereas I'm not sure how many people need to order books ON Christmas, since that's when the books would be given.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I 'm not surprised .
A lot of people would be getting Kindles on Christmas , and would need to fill them , whereas I 'm not sure how many people need to order books ON Christmas , since that 's when the books would be given .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I'm not surprised.
A lot of people would be getting Kindles on Christmas, and would need to fill them, whereas I'm not sure how many people need to order books ON Christmas, since that's when the books would be given.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30564028</id>
	<title>Re:!sales</title>
	<author>CheeseTroll</author>
	<datestamp>1261938540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That must have been the hardcover edition of the ebook!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That must have been the hardcover edition of the ebook !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That must have been the hardcover edition of the ebook!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30568180</id>
	<title>Re:Kindle Prices ...</title>
	<author>greatcelerystalk</author>
	<datestamp>1261933380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately, Amazon seems to have a pretty good lock-in on the eBook market right now despite any potential price gaming. They're still much cheaper than the Sony Reader store for most books; Books on Board manages to offer slightly more competitive prices than Sony, but they're not as cheap as Amazon.</p><p>Amazon seems to be maintaining its competitive pricing on books, even in the eBook arena; and, other stores are either unable or unwilling to follow suit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , Amazon seems to have a pretty good lock-in on the eBook market right now despite any potential price gaming .
They 're still much cheaper than the Sony Reader store for most books ; Books on Board manages to offer slightly more competitive prices than Sony , but they 're not as cheap as Amazon.Amazon seems to be maintaining its competitive pricing on books , even in the eBook arena ; and , other stores are either unable or unwilling to follow suit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, Amazon seems to have a pretty good lock-in on the eBook market right now despite any potential price gaming.
They're still much cheaper than the Sony Reader store for most books; Books on Board manages to offer slightly more competitive prices than Sony, but they're not as cheap as Amazon.Amazon seems to be maintaining its competitive pricing on books, even in the eBook arena; and, other stores are either unable or unwilling to follow suit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30572762</id>
	<title>Re:Where is the catch?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262023740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd like to know where you buy your paper books that are as thin as paper.  Most of mine are as thick as a stack of hundreds of sheets of paper.  Thicker than my ebook reader, in fact.</p><p>There are plenty of reasons to choose paper books over ebooks.  Size is not one of them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd like to know where you buy your paper books that are as thin as paper .
Most of mine are as thick as a stack of hundreds of sheets of paper .
Thicker than my ebook reader , in fact.There are plenty of reasons to choose paper books over ebooks .
Size is not one of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd like to know where you buy your paper books that are as thin as paper.
Most of mine are as thick as a stack of hundreds of sheets of paper.
Thicker than my ebook reader, in fact.There are plenty of reasons to choose paper books over ebooks.
Size is not one of them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30564966</id>
	<title>I bought over 20 books</title>
	<author>Archfeld</author>
	<datestamp>1261904580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>for various people for presents and not one of them was an Ebook, or from Amazon for that matter.<br>B&amp;N and the local book store were the benificiaries of my business this year. I recently had a return item fiasco with Amazon...I sent the item insured and registered, they received it, and signed for it then claimed it never arrived.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>for various people for presents and not one of them was an Ebook , or from Amazon for that matter.B&amp;N and the local book store were the benificiaries of my business this year .
I recently had a return item fiasco with Amazon...I sent the item insured and registered , they received it , and signed for it then claimed it never arrived .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>for various people for presents and not one of them was an Ebook, or from Amazon for that matter.B&amp;N and the local book store were the benificiaries of my business this year.
I recently had a return item fiasco with Amazon...I sent the item insured and registered, they received it, and signed for it then claimed it never arrived.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30565642</id>
	<title>Re:Price is the problem.</title>
	<author>FLEB</author>
	<datestamp>1261909200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's more, you can't get ebooks secondhand or closeout. Forget 50\% markup-- aside from programming manuals and the like (which usually only go closeout once they're obsolete), I get sticker-shock just looking at the MSRP of most paper books.</p><p>However, one thing to keep in mind is that for Kindle books (and others, I imagine), there is some extra work involved in reformatting them for ebook readers. I've heard gripes and annoyances from a friend of mine who had to beat a book into shape for Kindlization. While it might become a matter of course for a larger seller, for a smaller or less dedicated seller, it might be enough of an annoyance to justify a price hike.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's more , you ca n't get ebooks secondhand or closeout .
Forget 50 \ % markup-- aside from programming manuals and the like ( which usually only go closeout once they 're obsolete ) , I get sticker-shock just looking at the MSRP of most paper books.However , one thing to keep in mind is that for Kindle books ( and others , I imagine ) , there is some extra work involved in reformatting them for ebook readers .
I 've heard gripes and annoyances from a friend of mine who had to beat a book into shape for Kindlization .
While it might become a matter of course for a larger seller , for a smaller or less dedicated seller , it might be enough of an annoyance to justify a price hike .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's more, you can't get ebooks secondhand or closeout.
Forget 50\% markup-- aside from programming manuals and the like (which usually only go closeout once they're obsolete), I get sticker-shock just looking at the MSRP of most paper books.However, one thing to keep in mind is that for Kindle books (and others, I imagine), there is some extra work involved in reformatting them for ebook readers.
I've heard gripes and annoyances from a friend of mine who had to beat a book into shape for Kindlization.
While it might become a matter of course for a larger seller, for a smaller or less dedicated seller, it might be enough of an annoyance to justify a price hike.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30567170</id>
	<title>Re:!sales</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261922460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Occasionally you'll see a new paperback book for less then the kindle price.  In these situations what has usually happend is that the kindle version is priced against the hardback, and the paperback just came out.  If you wait a bit (about a month, two at most), the price of the kindle version drops to be the same or lower then the paperback.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Occasionally you 'll see a new paperback book for less then the kindle price .
In these situations what has usually happend is that the kindle version is priced against the hardback , and the paperback just came out .
If you wait a bit ( about a month , two at most ) , the price of the kindle version drops to be the same or lower then the paperback .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Occasionally you'll see a new paperback book for less then the kindle price.
In these situations what has usually happend is that the kindle version is priced against the hardback, and the paperback just came out.
If you wait a bit (about a month, two at most), the price of the kindle version drops to be the same or lower then the paperback.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563540</id>
	<title>Re:!sales</title>
	<author>mattmarlowe</author>
	<datestamp>1261933800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>As another kindle user, yes, ebooks tend to be cheaper and it certainly saves $$ never to be paying full hardback pricing ever again. Honestly, I've stopped buying any physical books at all.  Everything goes to Kindle, and unless I really want a particular book, I never pay more than $15 for one (non-technical books) and most of the time pricing is in the $6.99 - $9.99 range.</p><p>Honestly, the biggest problem I've had is that while most of the books that I want are available in kindle edition, not all are.   Also, I've had some issues finding certain o'reilly titles in kindle version.  I'm guessing they took awhile to ramp up kindle support, prefering readers to use safari.com or buy online from oreilly.com.   Neither is really an option for me.  I want the ability for Amazon to manage my library and to download/redownload my books to whatever kindle I am using (I also hate the idea of paying safari to rent access to books)...I can take small kindle to gym and read while on treadmill, and then use larger kindle at work for the same book (and I dont have to find where I left off, amazon syncs that for me along with any notes/bookmarks/etc).  However, this only works if book was purchased from amazon.</p><p>I'm honestly fine with all the DRM/etc limitations of Kindle.  I'll trade off any functionality loss for the lower purchase price.  And, rather than having to search several bookcases at home for book I want later on, I can quickly search my kindle library for whatever I need.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As another kindle user , yes , ebooks tend to be cheaper and it certainly saves $ $ never to be paying full hardback pricing ever again .
Honestly , I 've stopped buying any physical books at all .
Everything goes to Kindle , and unless I really want a particular book , I never pay more than $ 15 for one ( non-technical books ) and most of the time pricing is in the $ 6.99 - $ 9.99 range.Honestly , the biggest problem I 've had is that while most of the books that I want are available in kindle edition , not all are .
Also , I 've had some issues finding certain o'reilly titles in kindle version .
I 'm guessing they took awhile to ramp up kindle support , prefering readers to use safari.com or buy online from oreilly.com .
Neither is really an option for me .
I want the ability for Amazon to manage my library and to download/redownload my books to whatever kindle I am using ( I also hate the idea of paying safari to rent access to books ) ...I can take small kindle to gym and read while on treadmill , and then use larger kindle at work for the same book ( and I dont have to find where I left off , amazon syncs that for me along with any notes/bookmarks/etc ) .
However , this only works if book was purchased from amazon.I 'm honestly fine with all the DRM/etc limitations of Kindle .
I 'll trade off any functionality loss for the lower purchase price .
And , rather than having to search several bookcases at home for book I want later on , I can quickly search my kindle library for whatever I need .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As another kindle user, yes, ebooks tend to be cheaper and it certainly saves $$ never to be paying full hardback pricing ever again.
Honestly, I've stopped buying any physical books at all.
Everything goes to Kindle, and unless I really want a particular book, I never pay more than $15 for one (non-technical books) and most of the time pricing is in the $6.99 - $9.99 range.Honestly, the biggest problem I've had is that while most of the books that I want are available in kindle edition, not all are.
Also, I've had some issues finding certain o'reilly titles in kindle version.
I'm guessing they took awhile to ramp up kindle support, prefering readers to use safari.com or buy online from oreilly.com.
Neither is really an option for me.
I want the ability for Amazon to manage my library and to download/redownload my books to whatever kindle I am using (I also hate the idea of paying safari to rent access to books)...I can take small kindle to gym and read while on treadmill, and then use larger kindle at work for the same book (and I dont have to find where I left off, amazon syncs that for me along with any notes/bookmarks/etc).
However, this only works if book was purchased from amazon.I'm honestly fine with all the DRM/etc limitations of Kindle.
I'll trade off any functionality loss for the lower purchase price.
And, rather than having to search several bookcases at home for book I want later on, I can quickly search my kindle library for whatever I need.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563690</id>
	<title>Price is the problem.</title>
	<author>n0dna</author>
	<datestamp>1261935600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I got a Sony PR-505 last year and have yet to purchase a single ebook.</p><p>The DRM bothers me, but there are enough python scripts running around that will strip it out of the epub/pdf formats that it's not that much of a concern.</p><p>Price is why I don't buy them. While there are a handful of public domain books worth reading (opinion) the real content is only for sale.</p><p>I just flat-out refuse to pay 50\% more for the same content in basically the same format that the publisher already has filed away somewhere. When do you think the last time that a major popular author wrote out a manuscript on a typewriter was? Or longhand? You know it's already in an electronic document format somewhere.</p><p>No printing, no binding, no shipping, no stocking, no returns. No fuel, no toxic waste from the paper making process, no toxins from the inks.</p><p>Yet I get to pay 50\% more?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I got a Sony PR-505 last year and have yet to purchase a single ebook.The DRM bothers me , but there are enough python scripts running around that will strip it out of the epub/pdf formats that it 's not that much of a concern.Price is why I do n't buy them .
While there are a handful of public domain books worth reading ( opinion ) the real content is only for sale.I just flat-out refuse to pay 50 \ % more for the same content in basically the same format that the publisher already has filed away somewhere .
When do you think the last time that a major popular author wrote out a manuscript on a typewriter was ?
Or longhand ?
You know it 's already in an electronic document format somewhere.No printing , no binding , no shipping , no stocking , no returns .
No fuel , no toxic waste from the paper making process , no toxins from the inks.Yet I get to pay 50 \ % more ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got a Sony PR-505 last year and have yet to purchase a single ebook.The DRM bothers me, but there are enough python scripts running around that will strip it out of the epub/pdf formats that it's not that much of a concern.Price is why I don't buy them.
While there are a handful of public domain books worth reading (opinion) the real content is only for sale.I just flat-out refuse to pay 50\% more for the same content in basically the same format that the publisher already has filed away somewhere.
When do you think the last time that a major popular author wrote out a manuscript on a typewriter was?
Or longhand?
You know it's already in an electronic document format somewhere.No printing, no binding, no shipping, no stocking, no returns.
No fuel, no toxic waste from the paper making process, no toxins from the inks.Yet I get to pay 50\% more?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30568738</id>
	<title>Slashvertising bullshit.</title>
	<author>bwashed75</author>
	<datestamp>1261942680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Sure, they probably sold a few Kindles this Christmas. But my guess is they compare annual low with annual high here. Who the fuck buys paper books on Christmas day?!<br>- You're guaranteed a long wait for the item to arrive in the post due to holidays.<br>- You're busy with whatever family-holiday thing you do.<br>- It's a bit late buying that book as a gift.<br>- If it's for yourself, you probably bought it already.. when you bought Christmas gifts two week ago.<br>- You've already got lots of new stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , they probably sold a few Kindles this Christmas .
But my guess is they compare annual low with annual high here .
Who the fuck buys paper books on Christmas day ?
! - You 're guaranteed a long wait for the item to arrive in the post due to holidays.- You 're busy with whatever family-holiday thing you do.- It 's a bit late buying that book as a gift.- If it 's for yourself , you probably bought it already.. when you bought Christmas gifts two week ago.- You 've already got lots of new stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, they probably sold a few Kindles this Christmas.
But my guess is they compare annual low with annual high here.
Who the fuck buys paper books on Christmas day?
!- You're guaranteed a long wait for the item to arrive in the post due to holidays.- You're busy with whatever family-holiday thing you do.- It's a bit late buying that book as a gift.- If it's for yourself, you probably bought it already.. when you bought Christmas gifts two week ago.- You've already got lots of new stuff.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563908</id>
	<title>It's not the Kindle</title>
	<author>qazwart</author>
	<datestamp>1261937460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amazon doesn't care about the Kindle. What they want are ebook sales and to sell ebooks, you need an ebook reader. So, Amazon created one.</p><p>Amazon would be thrilled if Apple came out with their own ebook reader and it drove Kindle sales down the drain as long as all those new Apple ebook readers got their books from Amazon. And guess which retailer will make a mint selling that Apple ebook reader? (Hint, their name begins with "A and ends with "N").</p><p>Ebooks for Amazon means no warehousing, no stocking, no shipping, and no returns. You can store an entire warehouse full of books on a few hard drives.</p><p>Don't get me wrong. Amazon is thrilled that people are buying Kindles, but only because it means they'll be loading it up with books from Amazon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amazon does n't care about the Kindle .
What they want are ebook sales and to sell ebooks , you need an ebook reader .
So , Amazon created one.Amazon would be thrilled if Apple came out with their own ebook reader and it drove Kindle sales down the drain as long as all those new Apple ebook readers got their books from Amazon .
And guess which retailer will make a mint selling that Apple ebook reader ?
( Hint , their name begins with " A and ends with " N " ) .Ebooks for Amazon means no warehousing , no stocking , no shipping , and no returns .
You can store an entire warehouse full of books on a few hard drives.Do n't get me wrong .
Amazon is thrilled that people are buying Kindles , but only because it means they 'll be loading it up with books from Amazon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amazon doesn't care about the Kindle.
What they want are ebook sales and to sell ebooks, you need an ebook reader.
So, Amazon created one.Amazon would be thrilled if Apple came out with their own ebook reader and it drove Kindle sales down the drain as long as all those new Apple ebook readers got their books from Amazon.
And guess which retailer will make a mint selling that Apple ebook reader?
(Hint, their name begins with "A and ends with "N").Ebooks for Amazon means no warehousing, no stocking, no shipping, and no returns.
You can store an entire warehouse full of books on a few hard drives.Don't get me wrong.
Amazon is thrilled that people are buying Kindles, but only because it means they'll be loading it up with books from Amazon.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30569274</id>
	<title>Re:Where is the catch?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261994880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm considering an ebook reader. I've actually tried a few, and I like the technology, although I'm firmly a believer of the KISS principle. Just the reader please, hold the wifi/umts/satnav/cupholder. What's mainly keeping me from actually buying one is the fact that it's hard to buy ebooks when you're not in the US. The main ebook stores won't sell to me, even without the problems of specific closed formats (such as Kindle).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm considering an ebook reader .
I 've actually tried a few , and I like the technology , although I 'm firmly a believer of the KISS principle .
Just the reader please , hold the wifi/umts/satnav/cupholder .
What 's mainly keeping me from actually buying one is the fact that it 's hard to buy ebooks when you 're not in the US .
The main ebook stores wo n't sell to me , even without the problems of specific closed formats ( such as Kindle ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm considering an ebook reader.
I've actually tried a few, and I like the technology, although I'm firmly a believer of the KISS principle.
Just the reader please, hold the wifi/umts/satnav/cupholder.
What's mainly keeping me from actually buying one is the fact that it's hard to buy ebooks when you're not in the US.
The main ebook stores won't sell to me, even without the problems of specific closed formats (such as Kindle).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30563194</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy publishers</title>
	<author>ErikZ</author>
	<datestamp>1261930020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Finding good authors and hooking them up with good editors is not an easy job.</p><p>The Kindle and the Amazon web site are the only things Amazon has ever produced. Everything else, they're just a middle man.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Finding good authors and hooking them up with good editors is not an easy job.The Kindle and the Amazon web site are the only things Amazon has ever produced .
Everything else , they 're just a middle man .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finding good authors and hooking them up with good editors is not an easy job.The Kindle and the Amazon web site are the only things Amazon has ever produced.
Everything else, they're just a middle man.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30565468</id>
	<title>Re:Not really surprising.</title>
	<author>nightgeometry</author>
	<datestamp>1261907700000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Amazon are actually losing money on most of their $9.99 books (at least for the ones that are selling at the same time as hardbacks). They get them at the same price as the hardback, which is around $12.
<br> <br>
I think Amazon are doing some bad things at the moment, but they are not driving the price up, they are making a loss to drive it down.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Amazon are actually losing money on most of their $ 9.99 books ( at least for the ones that are selling at the same time as hardbacks ) .
They get them at the same price as the hardback , which is around $ 12 .
I think Amazon are doing some bad things at the moment , but they are not driving the price up , they are making a loss to drive it down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amazon are actually losing money on most of their $9.99 books (at least for the ones that are selling at the same time as hardbacks).
They get them at the same price as the hardback, which is around $12.
I think Amazon are doing some bad things at the moment, but they are not driving the price up, they are making a loss to drive it down.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_27_1316207.30564744</id>
	<title>Not really surprising.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261945860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would many people be hopping on the web to order stuff on Xmas?  They're playing with their new toys.  A lot of those toys will be Kindles.  And a lot of the people firing up their Kindles for the first time will want to get some books on there.</p><p>What kills me is the fact that Amazon is still charging TEN DOLLARS PER TITLE for most books.  And people are PAYING it!  It's pure, unadulterated bullshit.  There's no reason (other than greed) for the price of ebooks to be so high.  Absolutely none.  They should be cheaper than paperbacks.  There's very little production cost and, once it's produced, reproduction is virtually free (the cost of the electricity used and wear-and-tear on equipment during the fraction of a second it takes to copy the data).  Distribution is pennies per title all the way to the consumer.  There's no physical TONS of paper being trucked across the continent, shipped across oceans, etc.  There are no glitches in production schedules that leave warehouses of unsold books in Albuquerque while New York has none.</p><p>It's waste-free with instant fulfillment.  Yet they're charging MORE for this method of delivery than they charge for a paperback.</p><p>It's stupid and I refuse to participate in the gouging.  I buy the paperbacks then download a pirated electronic version.  I use the ethical logic that I've paid for my content in printed form.  I'm not downloading an audio version or the movie, both of which are entirely different productions and presentations.  I'm downloading text presented the same as a printed book.  So the publishers and authors get paid, I don't get gouged, I get a DRM-free ebook, and I have a backup (the printed book).</p><p>If ebooks were properly priced at 25-30\% of the cost of a paperback (leaving a ton of room for profit!), I'd just buy them directly and strip out the DRM myself.  Then they wouldn't need to mess around moving all that paper around.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would many people be hopping on the web to order stuff on Xmas ?
They 're playing with their new toys .
A lot of those toys will be Kindles .
And a lot of the people firing up their Kindles for the first time will want to get some books on there.What kills me is the fact that Amazon is still charging TEN DOLLARS PER TITLE for most books .
And people are PAYING it !
It 's pure , unadulterated bullshit .
There 's no reason ( other than greed ) for the price of ebooks to be so high .
Absolutely none .
They should be cheaper than paperbacks .
There 's very little production cost and , once it 's produced , reproduction is virtually free ( the cost of the electricity used and wear-and-tear on equipment during the fraction of a second it takes to copy the data ) .
Distribution is pennies per title all the way to the consumer .
There 's no physical TONS of paper being trucked across the continent , shipped across oceans , etc .
There are no glitches in production schedules that leave warehouses of unsold books in Albuquerque while New York has none.It 's waste-free with instant fulfillment .
Yet they 're charging MORE for this method of delivery than they charge for a paperback.It 's stupid and I refuse to participate in the gouging .
I buy the paperbacks then download a pirated electronic version .
I use the ethical logic that I 've paid for my content in printed form .
I 'm not downloading an audio version or the movie , both of which are entirely different productions and presentations .
I 'm downloading text presented the same as a printed book .
So the publishers and authors get paid , I do n't get gouged , I get a DRM-free ebook , and I have a backup ( the printed book ) .If ebooks were properly priced at 25-30 \ % of the cost of a paperback ( leaving a ton of room for profit !
) , I 'd just buy them directly and strip out the DRM myself .
Then they would n't need to mess around moving all that paper around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would many people be hopping on the web to order stuff on Xmas?
They're playing with their new toys.
A lot of those toys will be Kindles.
And a lot of the people firing up their Kindles for the first time will want to get some books on there.What kills me is the fact that Amazon is still charging TEN DOLLARS PER TITLE for most books.
And people are PAYING it!
It's pure, unadulterated bullshit.
There's no reason (other than greed) for the price of ebooks to be so high.
Absolutely none.
They should be cheaper than paperbacks.
There's very little production cost and, once it's produced, reproduction is virtually free (the cost of the electricity used and wear-and-tear on equipment during the fraction of a second it takes to copy the data).
Distribution is pennies per title all the way to the consumer.
There's no physical TONS of paper being trucked across the continent, shipped across oceans, etc.
There are no glitches in production schedules that leave warehouses of unsold books in Albuquerque while New York has none.It's waste-free with instant fulfillment.
Yet they're charging MORE for this method of delivery than they charge for a paperback.It's stupid and I refuse to participate in the gouging.
I buy the paperbacks then download a pirated electronic version.
I use the ethical logic that I've paid for my content in printed form.
I'm not downloading an audio version or the movie, both of which are entirely different productions and presentations.
I'm downloading text presented the same as a printed book.
So the publishers and authors get paid, I don't get gouged, I get a DRM-free ebook, and I have a backup (the printed book).If ebooks were properly priced at 25-30\% of the cost of a paperback (leaving a ton of room for profit!
), I'd just buy them directly and strip out the DRM myself.
Then they wouldn't need to mess around moving all that paper around.</sentencetext>
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