<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_26_215247</id>
	<title>Patrolling the US Border Via Webcam</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1261820040000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>The BBC features a story today on a controversial <a href="http://blueservo.net/">effort to patrol the border between Mexico and Texas</a> <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8412603.stm">by means of 21 hidden cameras</a>, the output of which is streamed online for viewers at home, who can then report suspected illegal border crossings; more than 130,000 people have registered to observe the streams, from as far afield as "Australia, Mexico, Colombia, Israel, New Zealand and the UK."</htmltext>
<tokenext>The BBC features a story today on a controversial effort to patrol the border between Mexico and Texas by means of 21 hidden cameras , the output of which is streamed online for viewers at home , who can then report suspected illegal border crossings ; more than 130,000 people have registered to observe the streams , from as far afield as " Australia , Mexico , Colombia , Israel , New Zealand and the UK .
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<sentencetext>The BBC features a story today on a controversial effort to patrol the border between Mexico and Texas by means of 21 hidden cameras, the output of which is streamed online for viewers at home, who can then report suspected illegal border crossings; more than 130,000 people have registered to observe the streams, from as far afield as "Australia, Mexico, Colombia, Israel, New Zealand and the UK.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559950</id>
	<title>Re:Mexico?</title>
	<author>fast turtle</author>
	<datestamp>1261837620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nah - Landmines are to cheap. You aint thinking like an American Politician. It's got to cost at least 1 million per emplacement, ensure it can detect not only ilegals crossing the border but the drug runners, sniff out radioactive materials and shoot down exocet cruise missles and the damn idiot tourist who flys to close to the No Fly zone.</p><p>Don't forget it's got to be a long term defense contract that'll cost 10-20 billion dollars for a 10 year contract and give plenty of jobs to our favorite congress critters districts so they'll vote for him in the next election. That's the Real American Way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nah - Landmines are to cheap .
You aint thinking like an American Politician .
It 's got to cost at least 1 million per emplacement , ensure it can detect not only ilegals crossing the border but the drug runners , sniff out radioactive materials and shoot down exocet cruise missles and the damn idiot tourist who flys to close to the No Fly zone.Do n't forget it 's got to be a long term defense contract that 'll cost 10-20 billion dollars for a 10 year contract and give plenty of jobs to our favorite congress critters districts so they 'll vote for him in the next election .
That 's the Real American Way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nah - Landmines are to cheap.
You aint thinking like an American Politician.
It's got to cost at least 1 million per emplacement, ensure it can detect not only ilegals crossing the border but the drug runners, sniff out radioactive materials and shoot down exocet cruise missles and the damn idiot tourist who flys to close to the No Fly zone.Don't forget it's got to be a long term defense contract that'll cost 10-20 billion dollars for a 10 year contract and give plenty of jobs to our favorite congress critters districts so they'll vote for him in the next election.
That's the Real American Way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30560886</id>
	<title>Re:Mexico?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261851300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Line our side of the border with antipersonnel landmines, everywhere except the legitimate entrances/checkpoints.</i> </p><p>Way to go!</p><p>Since we're just about the only allegedly-civilized nation who won't sign the treaty against use of land mines, I say, "Quit wasting that valuable hardware on the ungrateful Iraquis, Afghans and Pakistanis."</p><p>Mine America first!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Line our side of the border with antipersonnel landmines , everywhere except the legitimate entrances/checkpoints .
Way to go ! Since we 're just about the only allegedly-civilized nation who wo n't sign the treaty against use of land mines , I say , " Quit wasting that valuable hardware on the ungrateful Iraquis , Afghans and Pakistanis .
" Mine America first !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Line our side of the border with antipersonnel landmines, everywhere except the legitimate entrances/checkpoints.
Way to go!Since we're just about the only allegedly-civilized nation who won't sign the treaty against use of land mines, I say, "Quit wasting that valuable hardware on the ungrateful Iraquis, Afghans and Pakistanis.
"Mine America first!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558630</id>
	<title>Contest!  Find the Cameras!</title>
	<author>billstewart</author>
	<datestamp>1261824240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really, crowdsourcing a problem like this shouldn't be hard - 21 cameras, lots of geeks, Google Earth?  How long will they stay hidden?  Let's have a contest to find the things!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really , crowdsourcing a problem like this should n't be hard - 21 cameras , lots of geeks , Google Earth ?
How long will they stay hidden ?
Let 's have a contest to find the things !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really, crowdsourcing a problem like this shouldn't be hard - 21 cameras, lots of geeks, Google Earth?
How long will they stay hidden?
Let's have a contest to find the things!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30561214</id>
	<title>What a waste of time/money</title>
	<author>afabbro</author>
	<datestamp>1261856940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously.  Set up a minefield, clearly label it on all sides, and there is no longer a need for all of this wall-building and camera-monitoring.  The solution is just, humane, and obvious.</p><p>I know most of the liberal Slashdot community will react with "OMG! the children! What would Barbra say!" comments/mods, but really - what is wrong with a nation saying "this is our border, please respect it"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously .
Set up a minefield , clearly label it on all sides , and there is no longer a need for all of this wall-building and camera-monitoring .
The solution is just , humane , and obvious.I know most of the liberal Slashdot community will react with " OMG !
the children !
What would Barbra say !
" comments/mods , but really - what is wrong with a nation saying " this is our border , please respect it " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously.
Set up a minefield, clearly label it on all sides, and there is no longer a need for all of this wall-building and camera-monitoring.
The solution is just, humane, and obvious.I know most of the liberal Slashdot community will react with "OMG!
the children!
What would Barbra say!
" comments/mods, but really - what is wrong with a nation saying "this is our border, please respect it"?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559692</id>
	<title>Re:Mexico?</title>
	<author>spasm</author>
	<datestamp>1261834080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So that's why the US is one of the few nations not to ratify the Convention on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on their Destruction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottawa\_Treaty)..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So that 's why the US is one of the few nations not to ratify the Convention on the Prohibition of the Use , Stockpiling , Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on their Destruction ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottawa \ _Treaty ) . .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So that's why the US is one of the few nations not to ratify the Convention on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on their Destruction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottawa\_Treaty)..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30560910</id>
	<title>Re:When in Rome...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261851600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would you need to use UAVs in a peacefull area when you could fly a $20,000 plane with a guy makine $55,000 a year to fly it. Vs a multimillion dollar UAV with trained person who propably makes $35,000-50,000?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would you need to use UAVs in a peacefull area when you could fly a $ 20,000 plane with a guy makine $ 55,000 a year to fly it .
Vs a multimillion dollar UAV with trained person who propably makes $ 35,000-50,000 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would you need to use UAVs in a peacefull area when you could fly a $20,000 plane with a guy makine $55,000 a year to fly it.
Vs a multimillion dollar UAV with trained person who propably makes $35,000-50,000?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30561636</id>
	<title>Re:21 cameras are not enough</title>
	<author>michaelhood</author>
	<datestamp>1261905660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Especially if any of the illegal immigrants have "invisibility cloaks",  EMPs,  or other technological sophistication involved in their efforts.</p></div><p>lol.</p><p>Those who can afford this sort of half-imaginary tech can quite easily immigrate legally.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Especially if any of the illegal immigrants have " invisibility cloaks " , EMPs , or other technological sophistication involved in their efforts.lol.Those who can afford this sort of half-imaginary tech can quite easily immigrate legally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Especially if any of the illegal immigrants have "invisibility cloaks",  EMPs,  or other technological sophistication involved in their efforts.lol.Those who can afford this sort of half-imaginary tech can quite easily immigrate legally.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559426</id>
	<title>fuck38</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261830900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">guests. Some people brain. It is the 4, which b6y all WHY NOT? IT'S QUICK there are about 700 the political mess of Walnut Creek, variations on the BSD machines, Hot on the heels of</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>guests .
Some people brain .
It is the 4 , which b6y all WHY NOT ?
IT 'S QUICK there are about 700 the political mess of Walnut Creek , variations on the BSD machines , Hot on the heels of [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>guests.
Some people brain.
It is the 4, which b6y all WHY NOT?
IT'S QUICK there are about 700 the political mess of Walnut Creek, variations on the BSD machines, Hot on the heels of [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30560046</id>
	<title>Re:Doesn't encourage Vigilantism</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1261839060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The watchers shouldn't be able to find the camera locations, so this stuff about "jumping into their truck with a gun" isn't even possible.</i> </p><p>I read these posts wondering if the geek has the least idea of what the Mexican border looks like. Its length. Its terrain. If the cameras are set properly there will be no point of reference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The watchers should n't be able to find the camera locations , so this stuff about " jumping into their truck with a gun " is n't even possible .
I read these posts wondering if the geek has the least idea of what the Mexican border looks like .
Its length .
Its terrain .
If the cameras are set properly there will be no point of reference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The watchers shouldn't be able to find the camera locations, so this stuff about "jumping into their truck with a gun" isn't even possible.
I read these posts wondering if the geek has the least idea of what the Mexican border looks like.
Its length.
Its terrain.
If the cameras are set properly there will be no point of reference.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559048</id>
	<title>Re:Well...</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1261827360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
They're relying on obscurity.
</p><p>
You can't look at a picture in your web browser and automatically know where the cameras are.
</p><p>
The border region is massive, there are <b>many</b> lakes and bodies of water in the region, and it should be almost impossible to figure out where these cameras are,  unless you happen to know the specific area where the camera happens to be, extremely well.
</p><p>
Probably unless you're border patrol agent, drug trafficker, a local, or an illegal, you have absolutely no chance at all of recognizing the area, which is probably on federal border property.
</p><p>
And probably even 99\% of the locals would have no chance of recognizing the body of water or characteristics as a specific area.
</p><p>
The various Texas border regions are approximately 100,000 square miles.
Finding a pinhole camera over such a large area is akin to looking for a specific grain of sand on the beach.
</p><p>
Imagine how many different places the cameras could be if they weren't just in Texas.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're relying on obscurity .
You ca n't look at a picture in your web browser and automatically know where the cameras are .
The border region is massive , there are many lakes and bodies of water in the region , and it should be almost impossible to figure out where these cameras are , unless you happen to know the specific area where the camera happens to be , extremely well .
Probably unless you 're border patrol agent , drug trafficker , a local , or an illegal , you have absolutely no chance at all of recognizing the area , which is probably on federal border property .
And probably even 99 \ % of the locals would have no chance of recognizing the body of water or characteristics as a specific area .
The various Texas border regions are approximately 100,000 square miles .
Finding a pinhole camera over such a large area is akin to looking for a specific grain of sand on the beach .
Imagine how many different places the cameras could be if they were n't just in Texas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
They're relying on obscurity.
You can't look at a picture in your web browser and automatically know where the cameras are.
The border region is massive, there are many lakes and bodies of water in the region, and it should be almost impossible to figure out where these cameras are,  unless you happen to know the specific area where the camera happens to be, extremely well.
Probably unless you're border patrol agent, drug trafficker, a local, or an illegal, you have absolutely no chance at all of recognizing the area, which is probably on federal border property.
And probably even 99\% of the locals would have no chance of recognizing the body of water or characteristics as a specific area.
The various Texas border regions are approximately 100,000 square miles.
Finding a pinhole camera over such a large area is akin to looking for a specific grain of sand on the beach.
Imagine how many different places the cameras could be if they weren't just in Texas.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30567378</id>
	<title>US unilateral open borders</title>
	<author>RunsWithMatches</author>
	<datestamp>1261924320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>After a methodical reading of this thread to its end, I have come to the conclusion that most of the world, (most of slashdot actually), believe that the US should maintain an open border policy (and be unique in the western world in this respect).  That somehow it is immoral to prevent some disadvantaged individual or their whole extended family from entering our country illegally.  Tough shit.  It is not immoral or unwise to prevent anyone from entering illegally.  No one here illegally should be allowed to stay for any reason.  Instead of complaining about this web cam project, why not take whatever steps you think prudent to stem the illegal immigration?  How are you helping to stop the onslaught?  Are you part of the problem?</htmltext>
<tokenext>After a methodical reading of this thread to its end , I have come to the conclusion that most of the world , ( most of slashdot actually ) , believe that the US should maintain an open border policy ( and be unique in the western world in this respect ) .
That somehow it is immoral to prevent some disadvantaged individual or their whole extended family from entering our country illegally .
Tough shit .
It is not immoral or unwise to prevent anyone from entering illegally .
No one here illegally should be allowed to stay for any reason .
Instead of complaining about this web cam project , why not take whatever steps you think prudent to stem the illegal immigration ?
How are you helping to stop the onslaught ?
Are you part of the problem ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After a methodical reading of this thread to its end, I have come to the conclusion that most of the world, (most of slashdot actually), believe that the US should maintain an open border policy (and be unique in the western world in this respect).
That somehow it is immoral to prevent some disadvantaged individual or their whole extended family from entering our country illegally.
Tough shit.
It is not immoral or unwise to prevent anyone from entering illegally.
No one here illegally should be allowed to stay for any reason.
Instead of complaining about this web cam project, why not take whatever steps you think prudent to stem the illegal immigration?
How are you helping to stop the onslaught?
Are you part of the problem?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558992</id>
	<title>Re:Well...</title>
	<author>gardel999</author>
	<datestamp>1261826880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The images are in Amerikun and not in Mexican.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>The images are in Amerikun and not in Mexican .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The images are in Amerikun and not in Mexican.
:)</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30561830</id>
	<title>Redundant</title>
	<author>WGFCrafty</author>
	<datestamp>1261908540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I knew I saw this years ago on here, and they sure weren't talking about any controversy then. Both were reported from the BBC :
<br> <br>
<a href="http://news.slashdot.org/story/06/06/02/1250244/Texas-to-Provide-Online-Bordercams?art\_pos=4" title="slashdot.org">http://news.slashdot.org/story/06/06/02/1250244/Texas-to-Provide-Online-Bordercams?art\_pos=4</a> [slashdot.org] <p><div class="quote"><p>Dr\_Barnowl writes </p><p><div class="quote"><p>"The BBC reports that Texas intends to erect <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5040372.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">a network of online webcams at its border to Mexico.</a> [bbc.co.uk] The intention is apparently to use viewers as a kind of distributed processing network, with a free phone number to report border-jumpers."</p> </div><p>From the article: </p><p><div class="quote"><p>"'A stronger border is what Americans want and it's what our security demands and that is what Texas is going to deliver,' Mr Perry said. The cameras will cost $5m (&pound;2.7m) to install and will be trained on sections of the 1,000-mile (1,600km) border known to be favoured by illegal immigrants "</p></div><p> Hey, it's working for Britain, right?</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I knew I saw this years ago on here , and they sure were n't talking about any controversy then .
Both were reported from the BBC : http : //news.slashdot.org/story/06/06/02/1250244/Texas-to-Provide-Online-Bordercams ? art \ _pos = 4 [ slashdot.org ] Dr \ _Barnowl writes " The BBC reports that Texas intends to erect a network of online webcams at its border to Mexico .
[ bbc.co.uk ] The intention is apparently to use viewers as a kind of distributed processing network , with a free phone number to report border-jumpers .
" From the article : " 'A stronger border is what Americans want and it 's what our security demands and that is what Texas is going to deliver, ' Mr Perry said .
The cameras will cost $ 5m (   2.7m ) to install and will be trained on sections of the 1,000-mile ( 1,600km ) border known to be favoured by illegal immigrants " Hey , it 's working for Britain , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I knew I saw this years ago on here, and they sure weren't talking about any controversy then.
Both were reported from the BBC :
 
http://news.slashdot.org/story/06/06/02/1250244/Texas-to-Provide-Online-Bordercams?art\_pos=4 [slashdot.org] Dr\_Barnowl writes "The BBC reports that Texas intends to erect a network of online webcams at its border to Mexico.
[bbc.co.uk] The intention is apparently to use viewers as a kind of distributed processing network, with a free phone number to report border-jumpers.
" From the article: "'A stronger border is what Americans want and it's what our security demands and that is what Texas is going to deliver,' Mr Perry said.
The cameras will cost $5m (£2.7m) to install and will be trained on sections of the 1,000-mile (1,600km) border known to be favoured by illegal immigrants " Hey, it's working for Britain, right?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559768</id>
	<title>The East Germans had something like that.</title>
	<author>EWAdams</author>
	<datestamp>1261835100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Shaped-charge high explosives filled with shrapnel designed to turn anyone climbing over their fence into a colander.</p><p>Mind you, the East German security people were total douchebags. Presumably that is what you want the US Border Patrol to become also. Or perhaps you think they already are.</p><p>The East Germans took them down after a while (well before the Wall came down). Even they realized how scummy it was.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Shaped-charge high explosives filled with shrapnel designed to turn anyone climbing over their fence into a colander.Mind you , the East German security people were total douchebags .
Presumably that is what you want the US Border Patrol to become also .
Or perhaps you think they already are.The East Germans took them down after a while ( well before the Wall came down ) .
Even they realized how scummy it was .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shaped-charge high explosives filled with shrapnel designed to turn anyone climbing over their fence into a colander.Mind you, the East German security people were total douchebags.
Presumably that is what you want the US Border Patrol to become also.
Or perhaps you think they already are.The East Germans took them down after a while (well before the Wall came down).
Even they realized how scummy it was.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558666</id>
	<title>from Mexico?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261824480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Voluntary observers from Mexico? I can see then reporting:<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... nothing to see here<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... move along<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>not necessarily to the same microphone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Voluntary observers from Mexico ?
I can see then reporting : ... nothing to see here ... and ... move along ...not necessarily to the same microphone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Voluntary observers from Mexico?
I can see then reporting: ... nothing to see here ... and ... move along ...not necessarily to the same microphone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30560860</id>
	<title>Controversial ?</title>
	<author>Exception Duck</author>
	<datestamp>1261850940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As much as I am against American immigration policy, I fail to see why these webcams are more controversial than just a webcam set up looking over New York downtown ?</p><p>On another topic - how many years until mexicans overtake us in population in america ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As much as I am against American immigration policy , I fail to see why these webcams are more controversial than just a webcam set up looking over New York downtown ? On another topic - how many years until mexicans overtake us in population in america ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As much as I am against American immigration policy, I fail to see why these webcams are more controversial than just a webcam set up looking over New York downtown ?On another topic - how many years until mexicans overtake us in population in america ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559828</id>
	<title>Re:Mexico?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261835880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow, I didn't know Kim Jong-il read Slashdot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , I did n't know Kim Jong-il read Slashdot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, I didn't know Kim Jong-il read Slashdot.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559306</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559934</id>
	<title>Re:Hidden?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261837320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Guatemalans, Mexicans, El Salvadorians... and now you're telling me there are whales and sea turtles crossing the border as well?</p><p>It never ends, does it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Guatemalans , Mexicans , El Salvadorians... and now you 're telling me there are whales and sea turtles crossing the border as well ? It never ends , does it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guatemalans, Mexicans, El Salvadorians... and now you're telling me there are whales and sea turtles crossing the border as well?It never ends, does it?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558822</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559180</id>
	<title>Waiting for video...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261828440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It might work a little better if there was something to watch!</p><p>Tried a few cameras and get a black screen with "Waiting for video"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-(</p><p>How about some of you "smart" guys give 'em a hand down there improving the service???</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It might work a little better if there was something to watch ! Tried a few cameras and get a black screen with " Waiting for video " ; - ( How about some of you " smart " guys give 'em a hand down there improving the service ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It might work a little better if there was something to watch!Tried a few cameras and get a black screen with "Waiting for video" ;-(How about some of you "smart" guys give 'em a hand down there improving the service??
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30564400</id>
	<title>Re:What a waste of time/money</title>
	<author>algoa456</author>
	<datestamp>1261942200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A simpler way is simply to have a one year campaign saying that anybody caught crossing will be shot on sight.

After one year implement the plan.  One or two will be shot and word will spread like wild fire that the 'gringos' are serious.

Border crossings will drop to almost zero.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A simpler way is simply to have a one year campaign saying that anybody caught crossing will be shot on sight .
After one year implement the plan .
One or two will be shot and word will spread like wild fire that the 'gringos ' are serious .
Border crossings will drop to almost zero .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A simpler way is simply to have a one year campaign saying that anybody caught crossing will be shot on sight.
After one year implement the plan.
One or two will be shot and word will spread like wild fire that the 'gringos' are serious.
Border crossings will drop to almost zero.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30561214</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559388</id>
	<title>Re:Duck! I can see you, move to your right</title>
	<author>zill</author>
	<datestamp>1261830600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now all the poor families near the border have access to free video chat.<br> <br>

The only problem is that two minor features have not been implemented yet: audio and recipient selection.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now all the poor families near the border have access to free video chat .
The only problem is that two minor features have not been implemented yet : audio and recipient selection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now all the poor families near the border have access to free video chat.
The only problem is that two minor features have not been implemented yet: audio and recipient selection.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558592</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559302</id>
	<title>Re:Why guard the border at all?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261829820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>New Zealand is sufficently remote that illegal immigration hasn't been much of a problem.</p><p>The US hasn't been so fortunate.  Current estimates are that there are approximately 12 million illegals currently in the USA - the majority (81\%) being Mexico and Latin America, 9\% from Asia, 6\% from Europe and Canada, and 4\% from the rest of the world.  With a US population of something over 300 million, that means that roughly 4\% of the US population is here illegally.</p><p>When New Zealand has that same problem, be sure to check back with us and tell us how happy you are about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>New Zealand is sufficently remote that illegal immigration has n't been much of a problem.The US has n't been so fortunate .
Current estimates are that there are approximately 12 million illegals currently in the USA - the majority ( 81 \ % ) being Mexico and Latin America , 9 \ % from Asia , 6 \ % from Europe and Canada , and 4 \ % from the rest of the world .
With a US population of something over 300 million , that means that roughly 4 \ % of the US population is here illegally.When New Zealand has that same problem , be sure to check back with us and tell us how happy you are about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New Zealand is sufficently remote that illegal immigration hasn't been much of a problem.The US hasn't been so fortunate.
Current estimates are that there are approximately 12 million illegals currently in the USA - the majority (81\%) being Mexico and Latin America, 9\% from Asia, 6\% from Europe and Canada, and 4\% from the rest of the world.
With a US population of something over 300 million, that means that roughly 4\% of the US population is here illegally.When New Zealand has that same problem, be sure to check back with us and tell us how happy you are about it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558710</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559000</id>
	<title>What is this crap</title>
	<author>tengeta</author>
	<datestamp>1261826940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Obama wants to create a citizen snitch force, and you guys post nothing on that. But this is a "your rights online"? Seriously? I might just avoid reading those joke articles for a while to spare myself the 10 minutes I'll be laughing at it after I wasted time reading it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Obama wants to create a citizen snitch force , and you guys post nothing on that .
But this is a " your rights online " ?
Seriously ? I might just avoid reading those joke articles for a while to spare myself the 10 minutes I 'll be laughing at it after I wasted time reading it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obama wants to create a citizen snitch force, and you guys post nothing on that.
But this is a "your rights online"?
Seriously? I might just avoid reading those joke articles for a while to spare myself the 10 minutes I'll be laughing at it after I wasted time reading it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559924</id>
	<title>Serious</title>
	<author>hemlock00</author>
	<datestamp>1261837140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nothing says your serious on border control like a webcam.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing says your serious on border control like a webcam .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing says your serious on border control like a webcam.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558576</id>
	<title>How about installing a few cams in each ...</title>
	<author>Super Dave Osbourne</author>
	<datestamp>1261823820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>of the homes of each member of congress, the judicial branches, and the whitehouse, and lets see how many of the 1000s caught have cousins that already are working here illegally paid under the table with tax dollars?</htmltext>
<tokenext>of the homes of each member of congress , the judicial branches , and the whitehouse , and lets see how many of the 1000s caught have cousins that already are working here illegally paid under the table with tax dollars ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>of the homes of each member of congress, the judicial branches, and the whitehouse, and lets see how many of the 1000s caught have cousins that already are working here illegally paid under the table with tax dollars?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559082</id>
	<title>Mexico</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261827600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Viewers in Mexico, you say? Hmm... in my best spanglish:</p><p>"Hey, is that...? Que cabr&#243;n, si es el: that's Pancho! Hijo de... Hey amigos, come quick... look, it's Pancho, and he's crossing the border!!! Ay, por ahi viene el puto border guard... corre Pancho... corre!! Salvate... escondete del pendejo ese en el puto Jeep... no dejes que te atrape!! Ay, bueno... pus te veo ma&#241;ana entonces Pancho."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Viewers in Mexico , you say ?
Hmm... in my best spanglish : " Hey , is that... ?
Que cabr   n , si es el : that 's Pancho !
Hijo de... Hey amigos , come quick... look , it 's Pancho , and he 's crossing the border ! ! !
Ay , por ahi viene el puto border guard... corre Pancho.. .
corre ! ! Salvate... escondete del pendejo ese en el puto Jeep... no dejes que te atrape ! !
Ay , bueno... pus te veo ma   ana entonces Pancho .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Viewers in Mexico, you say?
Hmm... in my best spanglish:"Hey, is that...?
Que cabrón, si es el: that's Pancho!
Hijo de... Hey amigos, come quick... look, it's Pancho, and he's crossing the border!!!
Ay, por ahi viene el puto border guard... corre Pancho...
corre!! Salvate... escondete del pendejo ese en el puto Jeep... no dejes que te atrape!!
Ay, bueno... pus te veo mañana entonces Pancho.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30562038</id>
	<title>I'm Sanchez Hansen...</title>
	<author>andreyvul</author>
	<datestamp>1261911180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>why don't you take a seat over there?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>why do n't you take a seat over there ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why don't you take a seat over there?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30560012</id>
	<title>Stop or I'll show you my genitals!</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1261838340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How does this work? Defending border by webcam sounds like "Stop! Hold it right there! Or I'll start my video feed and show you my genitals". How is that wholesome for that matter?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How does this work ?
Defending border by webcam sounds like " Stop !
Hold it right there !
Or I 'll start my video feed and show you my genitals " .
How is that wholesome for that matter ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How does this work?
Defending border by webcam sounds like "Stop!
Hold it right there!
Or I'll start my video feed and show you my genitals".
How is that wholesome for that matter?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558582</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30560578</id>
	<title>When in Mexico...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261846920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"What isn't easy is doing this when Mexico objects (failed narcostate that it is, every dime sent from Yanquiland is welcome) and when Mexicans in the US (who have zero logical interest in border security and everything to gain from lack of it) vote and protest against it."</p><p>Considering the sate of our economy, It's Americans who are crossing into Mexico for work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" What is n't easy is doing this when Mexico objects ( failed narcostate that it is , every dime sent from Yanquiland is welcome ) and when Mexicans in the US ( who have zero logical interest in border security and everything to gain from lack of it ) vote and protest against it .
" Considering the sate of our economy , It 's Americans who are crossing into Mexico for work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"What isn't easy is doing this when Mexico objects (failed narcostate that it is, every dime sent from Yanquiland is welcome) and when Mexicans in the US (who have zero logical interest in border security and everything to gain from lack of it) vote and protest against it.
"Considering the sate of our economy, It's Americans who are crossing into Mexico for work.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558866</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559706</id>
	<title>Re:Mexico?</title>
	<author>daveime</author>
	<datestamp>1261834260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Partially deflated hovercrafts, seems to work for the North Koreans at the DMZ.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Partially deflated hovercrafts , seems to work for the North Koreans at the DMZ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Partially deflated hovercrafts, seems to work for the North Koreans at the DMZ.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559306</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30565508</id>
	<title>Re:Mexico?</title>
	<author>mpe</author>
	<datestamp>1261908120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Could it be that Mexicans have registered for the purpose of locating the cameras?</i> <br> <br>Then they could plot the locations on a map. It's not as if these cameras can have overlapping fields of view if there are only 21 of them<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could it be that Mexicans have registered for the purpose of locating the cameras ?
Then they could plot the locations on a map .
It 's not as if these cameras can have overlapping fields of view if there are only 21 of them : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could it be that Mexicans have registered for the purpose of locating the cameras?
Then they could plot the locations on a map.
It's not as if these cameras can have overlapping fields of view if there are only 21 of them :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558602</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558710</id>
	<title>Why guard the border at all?</title>
	<author>dafing</author>
	<datestamp>1261824660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Speaking as a New Zealander, living on an island far away from other countries, whats the point in patrolling the border?  To stop "criminal activity"?  Isnt that really no different than all the Patriot act BS Security Theatre?
<br> <br>
If you are so concerned about criminal activity "crossing the border", why not do what that lovely man in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City suggested for florida, build a moat!  Start digging, and pretty soon you'll be sailing across the Caribbean sea, singing kumbya in the sunshine!  No school!  No tax!  Free BBQ and pinball for everyone!  We will have a rollercoaster for every family!......
<br> <br>
In all seriousness though, surely a large enough moat would be the best thing to do, if you have such a problem with crime.  Its pretty much eternal (unless "global warming" dries it up!) , so surely it would pay itself off over time?  Oh, if only it had been done a hundred years ago!  Think of all the "crime" and "drugs" that would have been stopped, the lives that would have been saved!
<br> <br>
Check out the logo on TFA's linked site, <a href="http://blueservo.net/" title="blueservo.net" rel="nofollow">here</a> [blueservo.net], imagine some obese guy with a tattoo of that on his left manboob watching his Dell hour after hour for starving families "trying to break in"...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Speaking as a New Zealander , living on an island far away from other countries , whats the point in patrolling the border ?
To stop " criminal activity " ?
Isnt that really no different than all the Patriot act BS Security Theatre ?
If you are so concerned about criminal activity " crossing the border " , why not do what that lovely man in Grand Theft Auto : Vice City suggested for florida , build a moat !
Start digging , and pretty soon you 'll be sailing across the Caribbean sea , singing kumbya in the sunshine !
No school !
No tax !
Free BBQ and pinball for everyone !
We will have a rollercoaster for every family ! ..... .
In all seriousness though , surely a large enough moat would be the best thing to do , if you have such a problem with crime .
Its pretty much eternal ( unless " global warming " dries it up !
) , so surely it would pay itself off over time ?
Oh , if only it had been done a hundred years ago !
Think of all the " crime " and " drugs " that would have been stopped , the lives that would have been saved !
Check out the logo on TFA 's linked site , here [ blueservo.net ] , imagine some obese guy with a tattoo of that on his left manboob watching his Dell hour after hour for starving families " trying to break in " .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking as a New Zealander, living on an island far away from other countries, whats the point in patrolling the border?
To stop "criminal activity"?
Isnt that really no different than all the Patriot act BS Security Theatre?
If you are so concerned about criminal activity "crossing the border", why not do what that lovely man in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City suggested for florida, build a moat!
Start digging, and pretty soon you'll be sailing across the Caribbean sea, singing kumbya in the sunshine!
No school!
No tax!
Free BBQ and pinball for everyone!
We will have a rollercoaster for every family!......
In all seriousness though, surely a large enough moat would be the best thing to do, if you have such a problem with crime.
Its pretty much eternal (unless "global warming" dries it up!
) , so surely it would pay itself off over time?
Oh, if only it had been done a hundred years ago!
Think of all the "crime" and "drugs" that would have been stopped, the lives that would have been saved!
Check out the logo on TFA's linked site, here [blueservo.net], imagine some obese guy with a tattoo of that on his left manboob watching his Dell hour after hour for starving families "trying to break in"...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559330</id>
	<title>cost effectiveness of the war on drugs in general?</title>
	<author>bcrowell</author>
	<datestamp>1261830120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
TFA says: "the administrators of the site maintain the primary goal of the initiative is to tackle crime, not illegal immigration." In other words, this is about the war on drugs. At a cost of about 4 million dollars, 21 arrests have been made; "Critics say this does not represent value for money."
</p><p>
This is a fascinating proposition. Let's figure out the value-per-dollar supplied by the war on drugs in general, and see if it's better than the value-per-dollar supplied by this program.
</p><p>
This year marks the 40th anniversary of the war on drugs. (The term was first used by Nixon in 1969.) I don't think it will come as a surprise that it's been a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War\_on\_drugs#Efficacy" title="wikipedia.org">failure</a> [wikipedia.org].
</p><p>
What about the "per-dollar" part? Well, I don't know about your state, but mine (California) spends more on prisons than it spends on education, and the vast majority of prison spending arises from drug prohibition. First of all, you have all the people in prison for buying, selling, or using drugs. Then you have all the crime directly associated with the illegal drug trade; just as the stereotypical Chicago gangster of the 1930's wouldn't have existed without Prohibition, gangs today wouldn't exist without drug prohibition. And then you have all the crime that indirectly arises from drug prohibition. Drug prohibition makes drugs expensive, so people commit crimes to support their habits. So we have all the costs of incarceration, the social costs suffered by the victims of violent crime, etc. It's a lot of money.
</p><p>
So I would estimate that the value-per-dollar of the war on drugs over the last 40 years equals x/y, where x is a number so small that it's controversial whether it's positive or negative, and y is huge.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TFA says : " the administrators of the site maintain the primary goal of the initiative is to tackle crime , not illegal immigration .
" In other words , this is about the war on drugs .
At a cost of about 4 million dollars , 21 arrests have been made ; " Critics say this does not represent value for money .
" This is a fascinating proposition .
Let 's figure out the value-per-dollar supplied by the war on drugs in general , and see if it 's better than the value-per-dollar supplied by this program .
This year marks the 40th anniversary of the war on drugs .
( The term was first used by Nixon in 1969 .
) I do n't think it will come as a surprise that it 's been a failure [ wikipedia.org ] .
What about the " per-dollar " part ?
Well , I do n't know about your state , but mine ( California ) spends more on prisons than it spends on education , and the vast majority of prison spending arises from drug prohibition .
First of all , you have all the people in prison for buying , selling , or using drugs .
Then you have all the crime directly associated with the illegal drug trade ; just as the stereotypical Chicago gangster of the 1930 's would n't have existed without Prohibition , gangs today would n't exist without drug prohibition .
And then you have all the crime that indirectly arises from drug prohibition .
Drug prohibition makes drugs expensive , so people commit crimes to support their habits .
So we have all the costs of incarceration , the social costs suffered by the victims of violent crime , etc .
It 's a lot of money .
So I would estimate that the value-per-dollar of the war on drugs over the last 40 years equals x/y , where x is a number so small that it 's controversial whether it 's positive or negative , and y is huge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
TFA says: "the administrators of the site maintain the primary goal of the initiative is to tackle crime, not illegal immigration.
" In other words, this is about the war on drugs.
At a cost of about 4 million dollars, 21 arrests have been made; "Critics say this does not represent value for money.
"

This is a fascinating proposition.
Let's figure out the value-per-dollar supplied by the war on drugs in general, and see if it's better than the value-per-dollar supplied by this program.
This year marks the 40th anniversary of the war on drugs.
(The term was first used by Nixon in 1969.
) I don't think it will come as a surprise that it's been a failure [wikipedia.org].
What about the "per-dollar" part?
Well, I don't know about your state, but mine (California) spends more on prisons than it spends on education, and the vast majority of prison spending arises from drug prohibition.
First of all, you have all the people in prison for buying, selling, or using drugs.
Then you have all the crime directly associated with the illegal drug trade; just as the stereotypical Chicago gangster of the 1930's wouldn't have existed without Prohibition, gangs today wouldn't exist without drug prohibition.
And then you have all the crime that indirectly arises from drug prohibition.
Drug prohibition makes drugs expensive, so people commit crimes to support their habits.
So we have all the costs of incarceration, the social costs suffered by the victims of violent crime, etc.
It's a lot of money.
So I would estimate that the value-per-dollar of the war on drugs over the last 40 years equals x/y, where x is a number so small that it's controversial whether it's positive or negative, and y is huge.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559130</id>
	<title>And the point?</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1261828020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After being on hold for 30 minutes: "Officer, i saw a crossing, 50 miles from any human post.. "</p><p>By the time they mobilize, all the cameras will do is allow us to count how many crossed over, for the census.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After being on hold for 30 minutes : " Officer , i saw a crossing , 50 miles from any human post.. " By the time they mobilize , all the cameras will do is allow us to count how many crossed over , for the census .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After being on hold for 30 minutes: "Officer, i saw a crossing, 50 miles from any human post.. "By the time they mobilize, all the cameras will do is allow us to count how many crossed over, for the census.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558822</id>
	<title>Hidden?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261825680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a fairly straightforward way to locate the cameras if you have a bit more time than me.  Using the time of the sunrise and sunset (and the length of the day), you should be able to get a decent fix on the location (people use the same technique on whales and sea turtles.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a fairly straightforward way to locate the cameras if you have a bit more time than me .
Using the time of the sunrise and sunset ( and the length of the day ) , you should be able to get a decent fix on the location ( people use the same technique on whales and sea turtles .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a fairly straightforward way to locate the cameras if you have a bit more time than me.
Using the time of the sunrise and sunset (and the length of the day), you should be able to get a decent fix on the location (people use the same technique on whales and sea turtles.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558768</id>
	<title>Doesn't encourage Vigilantism</title>
	<author>RobinEggs</author>
	<datestamp>1261825140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...we would be concerned that the cameras might encourage vigilantism. That people would think they saw an illegal immigrant and then jump in their truck with a gun.</p></div><p>
That criticism shows up at least twice in the BBC article, but it doesn't make sense to me. The cameras might attract some people already partial to vigilantism, but I don't believe they flat out <i>encourage</i> vigilantes in general.<br> <br>
What's more, the locations of the cameras are secret; otherwise immigrants and traffickers would learn to avoid all those spots within days. The watchers shouldn't be able to <i>find</i> the camera locations, so this stuff about "jumping into their truck with a gun" isn't even possible.<br> <br>
I don't know whether I agree or not with the program, but the "concerns" quoted here seem a little far fetched. Furthermore, vigilantes present as much danger to law enforcement as to their prey, so I don't believe the Border Patrol or sheriff's offices will continue the program if there's significant evidence of more people hunting illegals.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...we would be concerned that the cameras might encourage vigilantism .
That people would think they saw an illegal immigrant and then jump in their truck with a gun .
That criticism shows up at least twice in the BBC article , but it does n't make sense to me .
The cameras might attract some people already partial to vigilantism , but I do n't believe they flat out encourage vigilantes in general .
What 's more , the locations of the cameras are secret ; otherwise immigrants and traffickers would learn to avoid all those spots within days .
The watchers should n't be able to find the camera locations , so this stuff about " jumping into their truck with a gun " is n't even possible .
I do n't know whether I agree or not with the program , but the " concerns " quoted here seem a little far fetched .
Furthermore , vigilantes present as much danger to law enforcement as to their prey , so I do n't believe the Border Patrol or sheriff 's offices will continue the program if there 's significant evidence of more people hunting illegals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...we would be concerned that the cameras might encourage vigilantism.
That people would think they saw an illegal immigrant and then jump in their truck with a gun.
That criticism shows up at least twice in the BBC article, but it doesn't make sense to me.
The cameras might attract some people already partial to vigilantism, but I don't believe they flat out encourage vigilantes in general.
What's more, the locations of the cameras are secret; otherwise immigrants and traffickers would learn to avoid all those spots within days.
The watchers shouldn't be able to find the camera locations, so this stuff about "jumping into their truck with a gun" isn't even possible.
I don't know whether I agree or not with the program, but the "concerns" quoted here seem a little far fetched.
Furthermore, vigilantes present as much danger to law enforcement as to their prey, so I don't believe the Border Patrol or sheriff's offices will continue the program if there's significant evidence of more people hunting illegals.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558612</id>
	<title>I saw that movie</title>
	<author>TubeSteak</author>
	<datestamp>1261824120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If only there were a way for them to stay on their side of the border,<br>yet still do work on our side of it: <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0804529/" title="imdb.com">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0804529/</a> [imdb.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If only there were a way for them to stay on their side of the border,yet still do work on our side of it : http : //www.imdb.com/title/tt0804529/ [ imdb.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If only there were a way for them to stay on their side of the border,yet still do work on our side of it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0804529/ [imdb.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558640</id>
	<title>AI</title>
	<author>Karganeth</author>
	<datestamp>1261824240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hope AI is used to bring the webcams which have humans moving on it to peoples attention (rather than having everyone looking at random webcams, 99\% of which will have nothing interesting on them).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope AI is used to bring the webcams which have humans moving on it to peoples attention ( rather than having everyone looking at random webcams , 99 \ % of which will have nothing interesting on them ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope AI is used to bring the webcams which have humans moving on it to peoples attention (rather than having everyone looking at random webcams, 99\% of which will have nothing interesting on them).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558780</id>
	<title>other uses?</title>
	<author>belmolis</author>
	<datestamp>1261825260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I wonder if something like this couldn't be used to provide more effective protection than the police currently provide for witnesses, abused women, and others under threat. All too often even when such people get some protection it takes the form of a patrol car driving by now and then or officers posted outside the front door, often for limited hours and not for very many days. Providing really effective protection takes a lot of manpower that is hard for police to provide. And then there are cases where te police are unsympathetic or consider that there isn't enough hard evidence of a threat. If cameras could be set up to monitor building and in some case apartment entrances and exits and streamed to sites where volunteers would monitor them, that could provide a large increase in the manpower available.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if something like this could n't be used to provide more effective protection than the police currently provide for witnesses , abused women , and others under threat .
All too often even when such people get some protection it takes the form of a patrol car driving by now and then or officers posted outside the front door , often for limited hours and not for very many days .
Providing really effective protection takes a lot of manpower that is hard for police to provide .
And then there are cases where te police are unsympathetic or consider that there is n't enough hard evidence of a threat .
If cameras could be set up to monitor building and in some case apartment entrances and exits and streamed to sites where volunteers would monitor them , that could provide a large increase in the manpower available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I wonder if something like this couldn't be used to provide more effective protection than the police currently provide for witnesses, abused women, and others under threat.
All too often even when such people get some protection it takes the form of a patrol car driving by now and then or officers posted outside the front door, often for limited hours and not for very many days.
Providing really effective protection takes a lot of manpower that is hard for police to provide.
And then there are cases where te police are unsympathetic or consider that there isn't enough hard evidence of a threat.
If cameras could be set up to monitor building and in some case apartment entrances and exits and streamed to sites where volunteers would monitor them, that could provide a large increase in the manpower available.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558602</id>
	<title>Mexico?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261824120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>more than 130,000 people have registered to observe the streams, from as far afield as "Australia, <b>Mexico, </b>Colombia, Israel, New Zealand and the UK."</p></div></blockquote><p>

Could it be that Mexicans have registered for the purpose of locating the cameras?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>more than 130,000 people have registered to observe the streams , from as far afield as " Australia , Mexico , Colombia , Israel , New Zealand and the UK .
" Could it be that Mexicans have registered for the purpose of locating the cameras ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>more than 130,000 people have registered to observe the streams, from as far afield as "Australia, Mexico, Colombia, Israel, New Zealand and the UK.
"

Could it be that Mexicans have registered for the purpose of locating the cameras?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30564850</id>
	<title>Great Work U.S.A !</title>
	<author>bruceslog</author>
	<datestamp>1261946880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Way to Create New Jobs !

Instead of hiring the many unemployed in the country to watch these cameras at, say, $15.00 an hour, our Gov't decides to ask for 300,000 volunteers to do the job for them for free ! Good thinking, that.

Does this mean that these volunteers are considered part and parcel of Homeland Security ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Way to Create New Jobs !
Instead of hiring the many unemployed in the country to watch these cameras at , say , $ 15.00 an hour , our Gov't decides to ask for 300,000 volunteers to do the job for them for free !
Good thinking , that .
Does this mean that these volunteers are considered part and parcel of Homeland Security ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Way to Create New Jobs !
Instead of hiring the many unemployed in the country to watch these cameras at, say, $15.00 an hour, our Gov't decides to ask for 300,000 volunteers to do the job for them for free !
Good thinking, that.
Does this mean that these volunteers are considered part and parcel of Homeland Security ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30567324</id>
	<title>Re:Absurd!</title>
	<author>manwargi</author>
	<datestamp>1261923900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Foreign IPs carrying tuberculosis? What nonsense.

Everyone knows that they're carrying swine flu.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Foreign IPs carrying tuberculosis ?
What nonsense .
Everyone knows that they 're carrying swine flu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Foreign IPs carrying tuberculosis?
What nonsense.
Everyone knows that they're carrying swine flu.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558582</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559022</id>
	<title>Re:Mexico?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261827120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hhhhey, Pedro, chhhhi theenk I found where one of the chhheeeeden yanqui cameras eeez!  Eeez een a place full of zeeee sand.  Chhhey, there eeez a chhhhhactus, that narrowz eet down a bit, no?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hhhhey , Pedro , chhhhi theenk I found where one of the chhheeeeden yanqui cameras eeez !
Eeez een a place full of zeeee sand .
Chhhey , there eeez a chhhhhactus , that narrowz eet down a bit , no ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hhhhey, Pedro, chhhhi theenk I found where one of the chhheeeeden yanqui cameras eeez!
Eeez een a place full of zeeee sand.
Chhhey, there eeez a chhhhhactus, that narrowz eet down a bit, no?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558602</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30560206</id>
	<title>Re:There is no obscurity.</title>
	<author>david duncan scott</author>
	<datestamp>1261841460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is on land, remember. At sea, the horizon is much more definite. On land, "sunset" can be when the sun drops behind a hill. This is part of the reason I don't keep a sextant in my car.
<p>
As for the square miles issue, yes, borders are linear. However, the cameras could be placed anywhere within, say, 200 yards of the border, so that you're looking at largish areas to search. Knowing that the camera is somewhere within a square block isn't the same thing as laying hands on it--and that's assuming that it isn't moved every so often.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is on land , remember .
At sea , the horizon is much more definite .
On land , " sunset " can be when the sun drops behind a hill .
This is part of the reason I do n't keep a sextant in my car .
As for the square miles issue , yes , borders are linear .
However , the cameras could be placed anywhere within , say , 200 yards of the border , so that you 're looking at largish areas to search .
Knowing that the camera is somewhere within a square block is n't the same thing as laying hands on it--and that 's assuming that it is n't moved every so often .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is on land, remember.
At sea, the horizon is much more definite.
On land, "sunset" can be when the sun drops behind a hill.
This is part of the reason I don't keep a sextant in my car.
As for the square miles issue, yes, borders are linear.
However, the cameras could be placed anywhere within, say, 200 yards of the border, so that you're looking at largish areas to search.
Knowing that the camera is somewhere within a square block isn't the same thing as laying hands on it--and that's assuming that it isn't moved every so often.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559460</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30560984</id>
	<title>Re:There is no obscurity.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261853100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Also, borders aren't "square miles", they are linear miles. The problem is not as intractable as you want to think it is. </i> </p><p>Quote from the posting you seek (unsuccessfully) to critique: "The various Texas border regions are approximately 100,000 square miles."</p><p>Note the word "region". That implies an indefinite area perhaps miles om either side of the line.</p><p>If you've been following the lunacy of DHS policy, "the border", defined as an area where ICE has the right to search you without reason, has now been expanded to include places as far as 100 miles inland from the geographical border. Taking a very conservative estimate of 3K miles of border north and south and 1K miles on the east and west coasts, that means a minimum of 800K <b>square</b> miles of federally-defined "border region" in which you have no defense against an "unreasonable search".</p><p>The only thing intractable here is your lack of reading comprehension.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , borders are n't " square miles " , they are linear miles .
The problem is not as intractable as you want to think it is .
Quote from the posting you seek ( unsuccessfully ) to critique : " The various Texas border regions are approximately 100,000 square miles .
" Note the word " region " .
That implies an indefinite area perhaps miles om either side of the line.If you 've been following the lunacy of DHS policy , " the border " , defined as an area where ICE has the right to search you without reason , has now been expanded to include places as far as 100 miles inland from the geographical border .
Taking a very conservative estimate of 3K miles of border north and south and 1K miles on the east and west coasts , that means a minimum of 800K square miles of federally-defined " border region " in which you have no defense against an " unreasonable search " .The only thing intractable here is your lack of reading comprehension .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, borders aren't "square miles", they are linear miles.
The problem is not as intractable as you want to think it is.
Quote from the posting you seek (unsuccessfully) to critique: "The various Texas border regions are approximately 100,000 square miles.
"Note the word "region".
That implies an indefinite area perhaps miles om either side of the line.If you've been following the lunacy of DHS policy, "the border", defined as an area where ICE has the right to search you without reason, has now been expanded to include places as far as 100 miles inland from the geographical border.
Taking a very conservative estimate of 3K miles of border north and south and 1K miles on the east and west coasts, that means a minimum of 800K square miles of federally-defined "border region" in which you have no defense against an "unreasonable search".The only thing intractable here is your lack of reading comprehension.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559460</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559300</id>
	<title>Re:Why guard the border at all?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261829820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you had more mexicans than sheep roaming your country you would change your tune.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you had more mexicans than sheep roaming your country you would change your tune .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you had more mexicans than sheep roaming your country you would change your tune.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558710</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559044</id>
	<title>Re:Why guard the border at all?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261827300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Speaking as a New Zealander, living on an island far away from other countries, whats the point in patrolling the border?</p></div><p>Paranoid superstition. If we imagine that the USA's success depends on keeping the Mexicans out (because Mexicans have an inferior race, culture, education or because citizenship is somehow a scarce resource or whatever) then keeping the Mexicans out is a way to insure (have control over) the USA's continued success. Basically, people in the USA feel insecure about their success and limiting immigration provides an illusion of control.</p><p>When you actually think the illusion through, it falls apart. For example, if you keep Mexicans out of the USA so they can't compete with people in the USA for low wage factory jobs, well, the factories just get moved to Mexico and people in the USA are then totally out of luck on the low wage factory jobs.</p><p>There is a case to be made for insuring that the US population doesn't increase way too much - but the best way to do that is to discourage people in the USA from having children.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>To stop "criminal activity"?  Isnt that really no different than all the Patriot act BS Security Theatre?</p></div><p>Sure, if the USA actually wanted to use borders to stop crime then the borders should be within the USA (e.g. put a Berlin style wall with checkpoint searches around some of the rough neighborhoods in L.A. ) but that would be inconvenient for people in the USA.</p><p>And, fundamentally, the whole point is to maintain a simple easy (at least for people in the USA) <i>illusion</i> of control.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Speaking as a New Zealander , living on an island far away from other countries , whats the point in patrolling the border ? Paranoid superstition .
If we imagine that the USA 's success depends on keeping the Mexicans out ( because Mexicans have an inferior race , culture , education or because citizenship is somehow a scarce resource or whatever ) then keeping the Mexicans out is a way to insure ( have control over ) the USA 's continued success .
Basically , people in the USA feel insecure about their success and limiting immigration provides an illusion of control.When you actually think the illusion through , it falls apart .
For example , if you keep Mexicans out of the USA so they ca n't compete with people in the USA for low wage factory jobs , well , the factories just get moved to Mexico and people in the USA are then totally out of luck on the low wage factory jobs.There is a case to be made for insuring that the US population does n't increase way too much - but the best way to do that is to discourage people in the USA from having children.To stop " criminal activity " ?
Isnt that really no different than all the Patriot act BS Security Theatre ? Sure , if the USA actually wanted to use borders to stop crime then the borders should be within the USA ( e.g .
put a Berlin style wall with checkpoint searches around some of the rough neighborhoods in L.A. ) but that would be inconvenient for people in the USA.And , fundamentally , the whole point is to maintain a simple easy ( at least for people in the USA ) illusion of control .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking as a New Zealander, living on an island far away from other countries, whats the point in patrolling the border?Paranoid superstition.
If we imagine that the USA's success depends on keeping the Mexicans out (because Mexicans have an inferior race, culture, education or because citizenship is somehow a scarce resource or whatever) then keeping the Mexicans out is a way to insure (have control over) the USA's continued success.
Basically, people in the USA feel insecure about their success and limiting immigration provides an illusion of control.When you actually think the illusion through, it falls apart.
For example, if you keep Mexicans out of the USA so they can't compete with people in the USA for low wage factory jobs, well, the factories just get moved to Mexico and people in the USA are then totally out of luck on the low wage factory jobs.There is a case to be made for insuring that the US population doesn't increase way too much - but the best way to do that is to discourage people in the USA from having children.To stop "criminal activity"?
Isnt that really no different than all the Patriot act BS Security Theatre?Sure, if the USA actually wanted to use borders to stop crime then the borders should be within the USA (e.g.
put a Berlin style wall with checkpoint searches around some of the rough neighborhoods in L.A. ) but that would be inconvenient for people in the USA.And, fundamentally, the whole point is to maintain a simple easy (at least for people in the USA) illusion of control.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558710</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558592</id>
	<title>Duck! I can see you, move to your right</title>
	<author>tonyahn</author>
	<datestamp>1261824000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now if Mexico was registered to monitor the hidden cams..... "quick, duck, I can see you on the webcam"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now if Mexico was registered to monitor the hidden cams..... " quick , duck , I can see you on the webcam "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now if Mexico was registered to monitor the hidden cams..... "quick, duck, I can see you on the webcam"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559236</id>
	<title>Re:Why guard the border at all?</title>
	<author>theskunkmonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1261829040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Of course the Panama Canal is sort of a moat, and it is part of the USA.</p></div></blockquote><p>I'd like to point out, we handed over the canal to Panama at the end of the last century.  Seeing as your an Aussie, your forgiven.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course the Panama Canal is sort of a moat , and it is part of the USA.I 'd like to point out , we handed over the canal to Panama at the end of the last century .
Seeing as your an Aussie , your forgiven .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course the Panama Canal is sort of a moat, and it is part of the USA.I'd like to point out, we handed over the canal to Panama at the end of the last century.
Seeing as your an Aussie, your forgiven.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558926</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559750</id>
	<title>Re:Doesn't encourage Vigilantism</title>
	<author>radtea</author>
	<datestamp>1261834680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The watchers shouldn't be able to find the camera locations, so this stuff about "jumping into their truck with a gun" isn't even possible.</i></p><p>Others have pointed this out by why not pile on a little.  Are you really seriously saying that it isn't possible to find when you can see what it's pointed at?</p><p>Why, exactly, do you believe that?</p><p>These cameras are in fixed locations and will be showing pretty much the same thing for years to come.  Even without active intervention involving guys with flags wandering along the border and seeing if they show up anywhere, there are any number of relatively trivial ways of locating them.  My personal bet is that a list of locations will show up on the Web within a week.</p><p>And remember, you don't have to know to the foot where they are, just the general area they are pointing at.  So within a year the border-crossing activity at these points will drop off, people will stop watching the cameras, and then it'll start up again.  Or basic cammo or other counter-measures will become more routine.  This kind of thing is an irritant to people who are engaged in the sorts of activity they are intended to help stop, just like all the other "War on Whatever" stuff that the US wastes so much money (and so many lives) on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The watchers should n't be able to find the camera locations , so this stuff about " jumping into their truck with a gun " is n't even possible.Others have pointed this out by why not pile on a little .
Are you really seriously saying that it is n't possible to find when you can see what it 's pointed at ? Why , exactly , do you believe that ? These cameras are in fixed locations and will be showing pretty much the same thing for years to come .
Even without active intervention involving guys with flags wandering along the border and seeing if they show up anywhere , there are any number of relatively trivial ways of locating them .
My personal bet is that a list of locations will show up on the Web within a week.And remember , you do n't have to know to the foot where they are , just the general area they are pointing at .
So within a year the border-crossing activity at these points will drop off , people will stop watching the cameras , and then it 'll start up again .
Or basic cammo or other counter-measures will become more routine .
This kind of thing is an irritant to people who are engaged in the sorts of activity they are intended to help stop , just like all the other " War on Whatever " stuff that the US wastes so much money ( and so many lives ) on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The watchers shouldn't be able to find the camera locations, so this stuff about "jumping into their truck with a gun" isn't even possible.Others have pointed this out by why not pile on a little.
Are you really seriously saying that it isn't possible to find when you can see what it's pointed at?Why, exactly, do you believe that?These cameras are in fixed locations and will be showing pretty much the same thing for years to come.
Even without active intervention involving guys with flags wandering along the border and seeing if they show up anywhere, there are any number of relatively trivial ways of locating them.
My personal bet is that a list of locations will show up on the Web within a week.And remember, you don't have to know to the foot where they are, just the general area they are pointing at.
So within a year the border-crossing activity at these points will drop off, people will stop watching the cameras, and then it'll start up again.
Or basic cammo or other counter-measures will become more routine.
This kind of thing is an irritant to people who are engaged in the sorts of activity they are intended to help stop, just like all the other "War on Whatever" stuff that the US wastes so much money (and so many lives) on.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558768</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558582</id>
	<title>Absurd!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261823940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why is a wholesome, All-American, project to Defend the Homeland(tm) letting dirty foreign IP addresses in?<br> <br>

I read on freerepublic that foreign IPs can carry tuberculosis and communism.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is a wholesome , All-American , project to Defend the Homeland ( tm ) letting dirty foreign IP addresses in ?
I read on freerepublic that foreign IPs can carry tuberculosis and communism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is a wholesome, All-American, project to Defend the Homeland(tm) letting dirty foreign IP addresses in?
I read on freerepublic that foreign IPs can carry tuberculosis and communism.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30565288</id>
	<title>Simple Solution to Avoiding the Cameras</title>
	<author>nlindstrom</author>
	<datestamp>1261906500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's really quite simple.  Before attempting a border crossing, the illegal should first view <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zekiZYSVdeQ" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">this important documentary</a> [youtube.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's really quite simple .
Before attempting a border crossing , the illegal should first view this important documentary [ youtube.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's really quite simple.
Before attempting a border crossing, the illegal should first view this important documentary [youtube.com].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30564102</id>
	<title>Mexicans using the webcams to jump the boarder?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261939440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I doubt it. If there was someone living in Mexico who had the access and finacing to afford a computer, a location secure enough for it not to be stolen and internet access, I doubt they lack the skills and knowledge to have a job and would need to hop the boarder. Infact they're probably intelligent enough to find out to get over legally and put what knowledge they do have to use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I doubt it .
If there was someone living in Mexico who had the access and finacing to afford a computer , a location secure enough for it not to be stolen and internet access , I doubt they lack the skills and knowledge to have a job and would need to hop the boarder .
Infact they 're probably intelligent enough to find out to get over legally and put what knowledge they do have to use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I doubt it.
If there was someone living in Mexico who had the access and finacing to afford a computer, a location secure enough for it not to be stolen and internet access, I doubt they lack the skills and knowledge to have a job and would need to hop the boarder.
Infact they're probably intelligent enough to find out to get over legally and put what knowledge they do have to use.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30560552</id>
	<title>Re:Hidden?</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1261846560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>There is a fairly straightforward way to locate the cameras if you have a bit more time than me. Using the time of the sunrise and sunset (and the length of the day),</p></div>
</blockquote><p>Simple solution: delay the feeds by the approprite amount of time so that the sun rises on all cameras at the same moment. Though I suppose this wouldn't protect against using solar eclipses to determine the time delays, heh.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a fairly straightforward way to locate the cameras if you have a bit more time than me .
Using the time of the sunrise and sunset ( and the length of the day ) , Simple solution : delay the feeds by the approprite amount of time so that the sun rises on all cameras at the same moment .
Though I suppose this would n't protect against using solar eclipses to determine the time delays , heh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a fairly straightforward way to locate the cameras if you have a bit more time than me.
Using the time of the sunrise and sunset (and the length of the day),
Simple solution: delay the feeds by the approprite amount of time so that the sun rises on all cameras at the same moment.
Though I suppose this wouldn't protect against using solar eclipses to determine the time delays, heh.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558822</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558926</id>
	<title>Re:Why guard the border at all?</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1261826340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you are so concerned about criminal activity "crossing the border", why not do what that lovely man in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City suggested for florida, build a moat!</p></div><p>Yeah as an Aussie it has long been my belief that you shouldn't be able to be a country unless you have water all the way around. Of course the Panama Canal is sort of a moat, and it is part of the USA.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are so concerned about criminal activity " crossing the border " , why not do what that lovely man in Grand Theft Auto : Vice City suggested for florida , build a moat ! Yeah as an Aussie it has long been my belief that you should n't be able to be a country unless you have water all the way around .
Of course the Panama Canal is sort of a moat , and it is part of the USA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are so concerned about criminal activity "crossing the border", why not do what that lovely man in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City suggested for florida, build a moat!Yeah as an Aussie it has long been my belief that you shouldn't be able to be a country unless you have water all the way around.
Of course the Panama Canal is sort of a moat, and it is part of the USA.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558710</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559342</id>
	<title>Sick.</title>
	<author>flajann</author>
	<datestamp>1261830240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Considering some of the violence Border Patrol have done on these people crossing the border, I wouldn't want to be a part of that. This is truly dystopian.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering some of the violence Border Patrol have done on these people crossing the border , I would n't want to be a part of that .
This is truly dystopian .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering some of the violence Border Patrol have done on these people crossing the border, I wouldn't want to be a part of that.
This is truly dystopian.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559552</id>
	<title>First po5t</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261832280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">minutes. If tha7. another folder. 20 Problems with</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>minutes .
If tha7 .
another folder .
20 Problems with [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>minutes.
If tha7.
another folder.
20 Problems with [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558610</id>
	<title>Mexico?</title>
	<author>RsJtSu</author>
	<datestamp>1261824120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>So this is for people to view and observe the border and report any activity right....well I guess this plan is already in the toilet now that people IN MEXICO can view the cameras and see exactly where they are pointed.
<p>

Ok yes, we see you. We will mark that crossing off our list of possibilities. Ok, a little further...there I can see you...keep going....now I can't, mark that with a flag or something.

</p><p>
Well played Border Control, well played.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So this is for people to view and observe the border and report any activity right....well I guess this plan is already in the toilet now that people IN MEXICO can view the cameras and see exactly where they are pointed .
Ok yes , we see you .
We will mark that crossing off our list of possibilities .
Ok , a little further...there I can see you...keep going....now I ca n't , mark that with a flag or something .
Well played Border Control , well played .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So this is for people to view and observe the border and report any activity right....well I guess this plan is already in the toilet now that people IN MEXICO can view the cameras and see exactly where they are pointed.
Ok yes, we see you.
We will mark that crossing off our list of possibilities.
Ok, a little further...there I can see you...keep going....now I can't, mark that with a flag or something.
Well played Border Control, well played.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30561030</id>
	<title>Re:Absurd!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261853820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cool!  Now the mexicans can see their families being caught and handcuffed live instead of never hearing from them again.  With reality tv... now reality webcam... The Catch a mexican cam...  hey - that rhymes!  Or maybe Catch a mexicam?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cool !
Now the mexicans can see their families being caught and handcuffed live instead of never hearing from them again .
With reality tv... now reality webcam... The Catch a mexican cam... hey - that rhymes !
Or maybe Catch a mexicam ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cool!
Now the mexicans can see their families being caught and handcuffed live instead of never hearing from them again.
With reality tv... now reality webcam... The Catch a mexican cam...  hey - that rhymes!
Or maybe Catch a mexicam?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558582</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30560388</id>
	<title>Re:Duck! I can see you, move to your right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261844400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We look for significant activity (or lack thereof) in webcam accesses from Mexican IP space, and we conclude something is about to take place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We look for significant activity ( or lack thereof ) in webcam accesses from Mexican IP space , and we conclude something is about to take place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We look for significant activity (or lack thereof) in webcam accesses from Mexican IP space, and we conclude something is about to take place.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558592</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559322</id>
	<title>Re:Doesn't encourage Vigilantism</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261830000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...and even if you could find the location, you'd then be caught on camera.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and even if you could find the location , you 'd then be caught on camera .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and even if you could find the location, you'd then be caught on camera.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558768</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559790</id>
	<title>Epic flood of false positives...</title>
	<author>EWAdams</author>
	<datestamp>1261835340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>... in 3...2...1...</p><p>If the Department of Vaterland Zecurity thinks for one second that people won't find a way of monkeywrenching this, they're even more deluded than they seem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... in 3...2...1...If the Department of Vaterland Zecurity thinks for one second that people wo n't find a way of monkeywrenching this , they 're even more deluded than they seem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... in 3...2...1...If the Department of Vaterland Zecurity thinks for one second that people won't find a way of monkeywrenching this, they're even more deluded than they seem.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559066</id>
	<title>What we need now</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261827480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What we need now is an additional camera every, oh, quarter mile. Figure $250 per camera installation (small ARM network board, camera, connectivity). That'd be a good start.</p><p>Then put autocanons on them designed to only shoot south.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What we need now is an additional camera every , oh , quarter mile .
Figure $ 250 per camera installation ( small ARM network board , camera , connectivity ) .
That 'd be a good start.Then put autocanons on them designed to only shoot south .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What we need now is an additional camera every, oh, quarter mile.
Figure $250 per camera installation (small ARM network board, camera, connectivity).
That'd be a good start.Then put autocanons on them designed to only shoot south.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559434</id>
	<title>Re:What is this crap</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261830960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you aware that the police relies on informants to fight crime? Why are Obama's "snitches" so evil when the god damned police relies on "snitches" to do their work for decades? Is it because this particular president is a nigger and he has the audacity to suggest that the US government must implement programs that, with tax paid by tax payers, are supposed to benefit the tax payers?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you aware that the police relies on informants to fight crime ?
Why are Obama 's " snitches " so evil when the god damned police relies on " snitches " to do their work for decades ?
Is it because this particular president is a nigger and he has the audacity to suggest that the US government must implement programs that , with tax paid by tax payers , are supposed to benefit the tax payers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you aware that the police relies on informants to fight crime?
Why are Obama's "snitches" so evil when the god damned police relies on "snitches" to do their work for decades?
Is it because this particular president is a nigger and he has the audacity to suggest that the US government must implement programs that, with tax paid by tax payers, are supposed to benefit the tax payers?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559000</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558866</id>
	<title>Re:When in Rome...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261825980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's actually quite practical, especially with UAVs and manned surveillance posts, but there is little political support in Washington for effective border control.</p><p>It's easy to build small operating bases, easy to stage patrols to monitor what sensor and cameras detect, and while it would not halt border crossings it would reduce them to a more reasonable level.</p><p>What isn't easy is doing this when Mexico objects (failed narcostate that it is, every dime sent from Yanquiland is welcome) and when Mexicans in the US (who have zero logical interest in border security and everything to gain from lack of it) vote and protest against it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's actually quite practical , especially with UAVs and manned surveillance posts , but there is little political support in Washington for effective border control.It 's easy to build small operating bases , easy to stage patrols to monitor what sensor and cameras detect , and while it would not halt border crossings it would reduce them to a more reasonable level.What is n't easy is doing this when Mexico objects ( failed narcostate that it is , every dime sent from Yanquiland is welcome ) and when Mexicans in the US ( who have zero logical interest in border security and everything to gain from lack of it ) vote and protest against it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's actually quite practical, especially with UAVs and manned surveillance posts, but there is little political support in Washington for effective border control.It's easy to build small operating bases, easy to stage patrols to monitor what sensor and cameras detect, and while it would not halt border crossings it would reduce them to a more reasonable level.What isn't easy is doing this when Mexico objects (failed narcostate that it is, every dime sent from Yanquiland is welcome) and when Mexicans in the US (who have zero logical interest in border security and everything to gain from lack of it) vote and protest against it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558648</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558648</id>
	<title>When in Rome...</title>
	<author>Duradin</author>
	<datestamp>1261824300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So instead of lining some contractor's pocket how about we just do as the Romans did and actually patrol the damned border?</p><p>Sure boots on the ground isn't as flashy as a web cam but it might be actually effective.</p><p>Of course actual patrols might be too effective...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So instead of lining some contractor 's pocket how about we just do as the Romans did and actually patrol the damned border ? Sure boots on the ground is n't as flashy as a web cam but it might be actually effective.Of course actual patrols might be too effective.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So instead of lining some contractor's pocket how about we just do as the Romans did and actually patrol the damned border?Sure boots on the ground isn't as flashy as a web cam but it might be actually effective.Of course actual patrols might be too effective...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30560574</id>
	<title>Re:21 cameras are not enough</title>
	<author>shaitand</author>
	<datestamp>1261846860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Probably forested most geographically hostile areas, where cameras can't easily be placed, are going to be more favored crossing points. "</p><p>Forested? Are there any forested areas on the border? I was under the impression the entire region was a desert without much vegetation beyond sage brush.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Probably forested most geographically hostile areas , where cameras ca n't easily be placed , are going to be more favored crossing points .
" Forested ? Are there any forested areas on the border ?
I was under the impression the entire region was a desert without much vegetation beyond sage brush .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Probably forested most geographically hostile areas, where cameras can't easily be placed, are going to be more favored crossing points.
"Forested? Are there any forested areas on the border?
I was under the impression the entire region was a desert without much vegetation beyond sage brush.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558874</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559860</id>
	<title>Re:Duck! I can see you, move to your right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261836180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm pretty sure Mexico isn't particularly thrilled about the mass-emigration from their country, as it's a reflection upon their government's inability to do anything meaningful or promote social progress within their own borders.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty sure Mexico is n't particularly thrilled about the mass-emigration from their country , as it 's a reflection upon their government 's inability to do anything meaningful or promote social progress within their own borders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pretty sure Mexico isn't particularly thrilled about the mass-emigration from their country, as it's a reflection upon their government's inability to do anything meaningful or promote social progress within their own borders.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558592</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559874</id>
	<title>Re:Absurd!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261836360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the World, the America polices you. In the America, the World polices you. It's communism, I tell you!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the World , the America polices you .
In the America , the World polices you .
It 's communism , I tell you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the World, the America polices you.
In the America, the World polices you.
It's communism, I tell you!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558582</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559574</id>
	<title>I hope...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261832520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope people give them as much faulty information as possible so that this project is an ultimate failure and is dismantled.  I encourage every one to post faulty info to them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope people give them as much faulty information as possible so that this project is an ultimate failure and is dismantled .
I encourage every one to post faulty info to them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope people give them as much faulty information as possible so that this project is an ultimate failure and is dismantled.
I encourage every one to post faulty info to them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559560</id>
	<title>Re:Mexico?</title>
	<author>Ksevio</author>
	<datestamp>1261832460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well with all the miles of border, what are the chances someone will be able to recognize an area of desert or brush from a point of view they haven't seen in an area they haven't crossed over?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well with all the miles of border , what are the chances someone will be able to recognize an area of desert or brush from a point of view they have n't seen in an area they have n't crossed over ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well with all the miles of border, what are the chances someone will be able to recognize an area of desert or brush from a point of view they haven't seen in an area they haven't crossed over?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558610</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558660</id>
	<title>Back in the USSR</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261824360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe we could learn a few lessons from the Soviets and the collapse of the Berlin Wall.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe we could learn a few lessons from the Soviets and the collapse of the Berlin Wall .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe we could learn a few lessons from the Soviets and the collapse of the Berlin Wall.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30568522</id>
	<title>Re:Mexico?</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1261938840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's a question for you, as well as the other guys who supported the idea in replies.</p><p>Suppose that - let's say, out of sheer love of poor innocent bunnies and other cute and furry creatures - instead of setting up a dumb mine field, they've did something akin to what's described in TFA - a mounted MG combined with a webcam for aiming, in a zone where no-one legally crossing a border should go, available for anyone to control - so that  humans can be filtered out of local wildlife and specifically targeted. Ultimately, the user is the one "pulling the trigger".</p><p>Would you be willing to take control over such a thing, and shoot absolutely anyone crossing? Yes/no?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's a question for you , as well as the other guys who supported the idea in replies.Suppose that - let 's say , out of sheer love of poor innocent bunnies and other cute and furry creatures - instead of setting up a dumb mine field , they 've did something akin to what 's described in TFA - a mounted MG combined with a webcam for aiming , in a zone where no-one legally crossing a border should go , available for anyone to control - so that humans can be filtered out of local wildlife and specifically targeted .
Ultimately , the user is the one " pulling the trigger " .Would you be willing to take control over such a thing , and shoot absolutely anyone crossing ?
Yes/no ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's a question for you, as well as the other guys who supported the idea in replies.Suppose that - let's say, out of sheer love of poor innocent bunnies and other cute and furry creatures - instead of setting up a dumb mine field, they've did something akin to what's described in TFA - a mounted MG combined with a webcam for aiming, in a zone where no-one legally crossing a border should go, available for anyone to control - so that  humans can be filtered out of local wildlife and specifically targeted.
Ultimately, the user is the one "pulling the trigger".Would you be willing to take control over such a thing, and shoot absolutely anyone crossing?
Yes/no?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559306</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30600328</id>
	<title>Re:Doesn't encourage Vigilantism</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259839620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you trying to tell me that these cameras won't show sunrise and sunset?  If they do you can use those time to work out the longitude and you pretty much know the latitude already because the cameras are on the border.  Once you know the location you can use shadows to determine the angle it is pointing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you trying to tell me that these cameras wo n't show sunrise and sunset ?
If they do you can use those time to work out the longitude and you pretty much know the latitude already because the cameras are on the border .
Once you know the location you can use shadows to determine the angle it is pointing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you trying to tell me that these cameras won't show sunrise and sunset?
If they do you can use those time to work out the longitude and you pretty much know the latitude already because the cameras are on the border.
Once you know the location you can use shadows to determine the angle it is pointing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30560046</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558874</id>
	<title>21 cameras are not enough</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1261826040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The border is massive, and 21 cameras cannot possibly cover a significant portion.
</p><p>
It's good as a pilot project,  but the border is thousands of miles long.
</p><p>
Would-be illegal immigrants will eventually get word about regarding which reasons are "safest" or that they're most likely to succeed at in crossing.
</p><p>
Probably forested most geographically hostile areas,  where cameras can't easily be placed, are going to be more favored crossing points.
</p><p>
The low number of border agents places them at significant advantage to catching or outrunning illegal immigrants in geographically hostile areas where vehicles can't ride.
</p><p>
Especially if any of the illegal immigrants have "invisibility cloaks",  EMPs,  or other technological sophistication involved in their efforts.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The border is massive , and 21 cameras can not possibly cover a significant portion .
It 's good as a pilot project , but the border is thousands of miles long .
Would-be illegal immigrants will eventually get word about regarding which reasons are " safest " or that they 're most likely to succeed at in crossing .
Probably forested most geographically hostile areas , where cameras ca n't easily be placed , are going to be more favored crossing points .
The low number of border agents places them at significant advantage to catching or outrunning illegal immigrants in geographically hostile areas where vehicles ca n't ride .
Especially if any of the illegal immigrants have " invisibility cloaks " , EMPs , or other technological sophistication involved in their efforts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The border is massive, and 21 cameras cannot possibly cover a significant portion.
It's good as a pilot project,  but the border is thousands of miles long.
Would-be illegal immigrants will eventually get word about regarding which reasons are "safest" or that they're most likely to succeed at in crossing.
Probably forested most geographically hostile areas,  where cameras can't easily be placed, are going to be more favored crossing points.
The low number of border agents places them at significant advantage to catching or outrunning illegal immigrants in geographically hostile areas where vehicles can't ride.
Especially if any of the illegal immigrants have "invisibility cloaks",  EMPs,  or other technological sophistication involved in their efforts.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558570</id>
	<title>Well...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261823760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They're not really hidden cameras if the output is streamed to the web, now are they?</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're not really hidden cameras if the output is streamed to the web , now are they ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're not really hidden cameras if the output is streamed to the web, now are they?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558618</id>
	<title>Stupid.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261824180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The moment these people are signedup and logged in -- that's when we'll know the locations and capabilities of those cameras.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The moment these people are signedup and logged in -- that 's when we 'll know the locations and capabilities of those cameras .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The moment these people are signedup and logged in -- that's when we'll know the locations and capabilities of those cameras.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559112</id>
	<title>In this picture, there are 47 people.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261827960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>None of them can be seen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>None of them can be seen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>None of them can be seen.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30562620</id>
	<title>Re:There is no obscurity.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261922280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><div><p>Please. This isn't even slightly tricky.<br>Offer me fifty grand per camera, as well as guaranteed legal immunity,</p></div><p>You must've missed the part about this being in the real world where internet nerds don't just randomly get offered huge sums of money and govt assistance to prove their keyboard warriorness.<br>The tricky part the task comes not from the abstract problem, but very fact that is zero reward combined with a very real chance of a federal sentence if you get caught if you try it.</p><p>Oh and nowhere does it say that the cameras lie precisely on the official border. Since areas around main border towns have one mile deep exclusion zones, I think it's quite fair to treat the border as square miles rather than linear.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please .
This is n't even slightly tricky.Offer me fifty grand per camera , as well as guaranteed legal immunity,You must 've missed the part about this being in the real world where internet nerds do n't just randomly get offered huge sums of money and govt assistance to prove their keyboard warriorness.The tricky part the task comes not from the abstract problem , but very fact that is zero reward combined with a very real chance of a federal sentence if you get caught if you try it.Oh and nowhere does it say that the cameras lie precisely on the official border .
Since areas around main border towns have one mile deep exclusion zones , I think it 's quite fair to treat the border as square miles rather than linear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please.
This isn't even slightly tricky.Offer me fifty grand per camera, as well as guaranteed legal immunity,You must've missed the part about this being in the real world where internet nerds don't just randomly get offered huge sums of money and govt assistance to prove their keyboard warriorness.The tricky part the task comes not from the abstract problem, but very fact that is zero reward combined with a very real chance of a federal sentence if you get caught if you try it.Oh and nowhere does it say that the cameras lie precisely on the official border.
Since areas around main border towns have one mile deep exclusion zones, I think it's quite fair to treat the border as square miles rather than linear.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559460</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558840</id>
	<title>It's a good idea</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1261825860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I believe the term is "crowdsourcing", or in this case, "sponsored crowdsourcing", where the citizens want their border protected, and there is not enough manpower or money for the government to do it.</p><p>
However, I doubt it will catch on much, unless there is incentive/award to successfully identify illegal crossing  that requires a high 'hit ratio' or  low rate of false reports  to claim a reward.
</p><p>
It is not vigilantism for citizens to assist law enforcement in enforcing the laws of the country.
It is responsible citizenship, and it is <b>getting involved</b>, which are good things.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe the term is " crowdsourcing " , or in this case , " sponsored crowdsourcing " , where the citizens want their border protected , and there is not enough manpower or money for the government to do it .
However , I doubt it will catch on much , unless there is incentive/award to successfully identify illegal crossing that requires a high 'hit ratio ' or low rate of false reports to claim a reward .
It is not vigilantism for citizens to assist law enforcement in enforcing the laws of the country .
It is responsible citizenship , and it is getting involved , which are good things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I believe the term is "crowdsourcing", or in this case, "sponsored crowdsourcing", where the citizens want their border protected, and there is not enough manpower or money for the government to do it.
However, I doubt it will catch on much, unless there is incentive/award to successfully identify illegal crossing  that requires a high 'hit ratio' or  low rate of false reports  to claim a reward.
It is not vigilantism for citizens to assist law enforcement in enforcing the laws of the country.
It is responsible citizenship, and it is getting involved, which are good things.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30563730</id>
	<title>Add one more</title>
	<author>Stan92057</author>
	<datestamp>1261936080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>130,001 now<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>130,001 now : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>130,001 now :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30566046</id>
	<title>Laughable.</title>
	<author>jonadab</author>
	<datestamp>1261912500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>23 cameras?  For the US/Mexico border?  Really?<br><br>Come on.  Deploy twenty-three *thousand* cameras, on rotating stands so they each observe a wider swath, and you might be getting somewhat close to having enough resources to watch a good chunk of the border.<br><br>But I'm not sure what you gain by exposing the footage to the internet.  If you don't have border patrol agents stationed close enough to each camera to respond promptly if someone is seen crossing there, there's not much point, and if you do have border patrol agents stationed, why can't they watch the (output of the) cameras while they wait for something to happen?</htmltext>
<tokenext>23 cameras ?
For the US/Mexico border ?
Really ? Come on .
Deploy twenty-three * thousand * cameras , on rotating stands so they each observe a wider swath , and you might be getting somewhat close to having enough resources to watch a good chunk of the border.But I 'm not sure what you gain by exposing the footage to the internet .
If you do n't have border patrol agents stationed close enough to each camera to respond promptly if someone is seen crossing there , there 's not much point , and if you do have border patrol agents stationed , why ca n't they watch the ( output of the ) cameras while they wait for something to happen ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>23 cameras?
For the US/Mexico border?
Really?Come on.
Deploy twenty-three *thousand* cameras, on rotating stands so they each observe a wider swath, and you might be getting somewhat close to having enough resources to watch a good chunk of the border.But I'm not sure what you gain by exposing the footage to the internet.
If you don't have border patrol agents stationed close enough to each camera to respond promptly if someone is seen crossing there, there's not much point, and if you do have border patrol agents stationed, why can't they watch the (output of the) cameras while they wait for something to happen?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559460</id>
	<title>There is no obscurity.</title>
	<author>fyngyrz</author>
	<datestamp>1261831140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>
The various Texas border regions are approximately 100,000 square miles. Finding a pinhole camera over such a large area is akin to looking for a specific grain of sand on the beach.
</i></p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Please. This isn't even slightly tricky. Time the sunset / shadows. That gives you the east-west position (and very accurately, too.) Local noon identifies local midnight (and every other local time) perfectly. So does sunset. Since the cameras are on the border, that reduces the problem to a very small one -- what portion(s) of the border match those times. Then go there (using GPS and holding a pic of the POV of the camera)... walk right up to it, grab it, throw it in the 4WD. Rinse, repeat. If the cameras are observing places where people can go, they're in places where people can get at them.
</p><p>
Also, borders aren't "square miles", they are linear miles. The problem is not as intractable as you want to think it is.
</p><p>
Offer me fifty grand per camera, as well as guaranteed legal immunity, and I'll go down there and hand the vast majority of em to you in a dusty heap in, oh, a couple of weeks or so. It'd be fun.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The various Texas border regions are approximately 100,000 square miles .
Finding a pinhole camera over such a large area is akin to looking for a specific grain of sand on the beach .
Please. This is n't even slightly tricky .
Time the sunset / shadows .
That gives you the east-west position ( and very accurately , too .
) Local noon identifies local midnight ( and every other local time ) perfectly .
So does sunset .
Since the cameras are on the border , that reduces the problem to a very small one -- what portion ( s ) of the border match those times .
Then go there ( using GPS and holding a pic of the POV of the camera ) ... walk right up to it , grab it , throw it in the 4WD .
Rinse , repeat .
If the cameras are observing places where people can go , they 're in places where people can get at them .
Also , borders are n't " square miles " , they are linear miles .
The problem is not as intractable as you want to think it is .
Offer me fifty grand per camera , as well as guaranteed legal immunity , and I 'll go down there and hand the vast majority of em to you in a dusty heap in , oh , a couple of weeks or so .
It 'd be fun .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext> 
The various Texas border regions are approximately 100,000 square miles.
Finding a pinhole camera over such a large area is akin to looking for a specific grain of sand on the beach.
Please. This isn't even slightly tricky.
Time the sunset / shadows.
That gives you the east-west position (and very accurately, too.
) Local noon identifies local midnight (and every other local time) perfectly.
So does sunset.
Since the cameras are on the border, that reduces the problem to a very small one -- what portion(s) of the border match those times.
Then go there (using GPS and holding a pic of the POV of the camera)... walk right up to it, grab it, throw it in the 4WD.
Rinse, repeat.
If the cameras are observing places where people can go, they're in places where people can get at them.
Also, borders aren't "square miles", they are linear miles.
The problem is not as intractable as you want to think it is.
Offer me fifty grand per camera, as well as guaranteed legal immunity, and I'll go down there and hand the vast majority of em to you in a dusty heap in, oh, a couple of weeks or so.
It'd be fun.
:)

	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30558748</id>
	<title>What a waste of time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261825020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>130,000 peoples "croudsourced" surveillance leads to the arrest of 21 mostly dope smugglers.   What a colossal waste of time and energy this was for this end result.</p><p>How about you border watchers go do something useful, learn a trade, contribute something positive to society.  Obstructing other people from doing their work, does nothing to make this world a better place.   It's a line in the sand!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>130,000 peoples " croudsourced " surveillance leads to the arrest of 21 mostly dope smugglers .
What a colossal waste of time and energy this was for this end result.How about you border watchers go do something useful , learn a trade , contribute something positive to society .
Obstructing other people from doing their work , does nothing to make this world a better place .
It 's a line in the sand !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>130,000 peoples "croudsourced" surveillance leads to the arrest of 21 mostly dope smugglers.
What a colossal waste of time and energy this was for this end result.How about you border watchers go do something useful, learn a trade, contribute something positive to society.
Obstructing other people from doing their work, does nothing to make this world a better place.
It's a line in the sand!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559914</id>
	<title>Re:What we need now</title>
	<author>moosesocks</author>
	<datestamp>1261837020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>$250?  Try $25,000 (and this isn't a jab at government inefficiency)</p><p>Sure, a small ARM board and low-resolution camera would probably cost about $250.  However, you'd need to make it able to withstand a harsh outdoor environment, and also consider things such as visibility in the rain and at night (otherwise, people would just wait until these times to cross).  Also make sure your field of view is sufficient to legibly capture an eighth of a mile in both directions.</p><p>Next, factor in power and connectivity at a location that is effectively in the middle of nowhere.  Solar would work, but you'd need batteries for at night.  Any cellular network would have to be built, and might not even be worthwhile if the cameras are going to be spaced so far apart.</p><p>Finally, make sure these things are nailed down sufficiently to not be stolen (as well as the copper in the power lines you go that route), and find somebody to install and maintain this network.</p><p>$250 per camera isn't even remotely close to what it'd cost to build such a system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 250 ?
Try $ 25,000 ( and this is n't a jab at government inefficiency ) Sure , a small ARM board and low-resolution camera would probably cost about $ 250 .
However , you 'd need to make it able to withstand a harsh outdoor environment , and also consider things such as visibility in the rain and at night ( otherwise , people would just wait until these times to cross ) .
Also make sure your field of view is sufficient to legibly capture an eighth of a mile in both directions.Next , factor in power and connectivity at a location that is effectively in the middle of nowhere .
Solar would work , but you 'd need batteries for at night .
Any cellular network would have to be built , and might not even be worthwhile if the cameras are going to be spaced so far apart.Finally , make sure these things are nailed down sufficiently to not be stolen ( as well as the copper in the power lines you go that route ) , and find somebody to install and maintain this network. $ 250 per camera is n't even remotely close to what it 'd cost to build such a system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$250?
Try $25,000 (and this isn't a jab at government inefficiency)Sure, a small ARM board and low-resolution camera would probably cost about $250.
However, you'd need to make it able to withstand a harsh outdoor environment, and also consider things such as visibility in the rain and at night (otherwise, people would just wait until these times to cross).
Also make sure your field of view is sufficient to legibly capture an eighth of a mile in both directions.Next, factor in power and connectivity at a location that is effectively in the middle of nowhere.
Solar would work, but you'd need batteries for at night.
Any cellular network would have to be built, and might not even be worthwhile if the cameras are going to be spaced so far apart.Finally, make sure these things are nailed down sufficiently to not be stolen (as well as the copper in the power lines you go that route), and find somebody to install and maintain this network.$250 per camera isn't even remotely close to what it'd cost to build such a system.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559066</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559616</id>
	<title>Re:What we need now</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261833120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Landmines</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Landmines</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Landmines</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559066</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_26_215247.30559306</id>
	<title>Re:Mexico?</title>
	<author>causality</author>
	<datestamp>1261829940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So this is for people to view and observe the border and report any activity right....well I guess this plan is already in the toilet now that people IN MEXICO can view the cameras and see exactly where they are pointed.
</p><p>

Ok yes, we see you. We will mark that crossing off our list of possibilities. Ok, a little further...there I can see you...keep going....now I can't, mark that with a flag or something.

</p><p>
Well played Border Control, well played.</p></div><p>I heard one simple idea that probably would solve the illegal border crossing problem: landmines.  Line our side of the border with antipersonnel landmines, everywhere except the legitimate entrances/checkpoints.  Post highly visible signs in English and Spanish, and also with graphics in case the person is illiterate, warning that it is a minefield.  The purpose of this is to establish a deterrent, not to actually hurt anyone (though if that happens, they can't say they weren't warned).  Maybe those signs can include some contact information at the bottom, useful for obtaining information on how to go through the process of coming here legally.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So this is for people to view and observe the border and report any activity right....well I guess this plan is already in the toilet now that people IN MEXICO can view the cameras and see exactly where they are pointed .
Ok yes , we see you .
We will mark that crossing off our list of possibilities .
Ok , a little further...there I can see you...keep going....now I ca n't , mark that with a flag or something .
Well played Border Control , well played.I heard one simple idea that probably would solve the illegal border crossing problem : landmines .
Line our side of the border with antipersonnel landmines , everywhere except the legitimate entrances/checkpoints .
Post highly visible signs in English and Spanish , and also with graphics in case the person is illiterate , warning that it is a minefield .
The purpose of this is to establish a deterrent , not to actually hurt anyone ( though if that happens , they ca n't say they were n't warned ) .
Maybe those signs can include some contact information at the bottom , useful for obtaining information on how to go through the process of coming here legally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So this is for people to view and observe the border and report any activity right....well I guess this plan is already in the toilet now that people IN MEXICO can view the cameras and see exactly where they are pointed.
Ok yes, we see you.
We will mark that crossing off our list of possibilities.
Ok, a little further...there I can see you...keep going....now I can't, mark that with a flag or something.
Well played Border Control, well played.I heard one simple idea that probably would solve the illegal border crossing problem: landmines.
Line our side of the border with antipersonnel landmines, everywhere except the legitimate entrances/checkpoints.
Post highly visible signs in English and Spanish, and also with graphics in case the person is illiterate, warning that it is a minefield.
The purpose of this is to establish a deterrent, not to actually hurt anyone (though if that happens, they can't say they weren't warned).
Maybe those signs can include some contact information at the bottom, useful for obtaining information on how to go through the process of coming here legally.
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	<title>Re:Hidden?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261847760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's just stupid.  What the hell are whales and sea turtles doing in the Rio Grande?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's just stupid .
What the hell are whales and sea turtles doing in the Rio Grande ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's just stupid.
What the hell are whales and sea turtles doing in the Rio Grande?</sentencetext>
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