<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_25_2247211</id>
	<title>Holiday E-Commerce DDoS Attack Hits EC2 Cloud</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1261746720000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>ARos writes <i>"A <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/24/ddos\_attack\_ultradns\_december\_09/">holiday DDoS attack targeted a west-coast DNS provider</a>, which is known for serving large-scale E-Commerce sites (including amazon.com and walmart.com). 'Neustar, which provides DNS services to high profile website addresses under the UltraDNS brand, said the flood of malicious traffic, just two days before Christmas, was directed at the company's facilities in San Jose and Palo Alto, and that the effects were mostly limited to California users.' CNet adds: 'In addition to the high-profile sites, dozens of smaller sites that rely upon Amazon for Web-hosting services <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-30684\_3-10421577-265.html">were also taken down by the attack</a>. Amazon's S3 and EC2 services were affected by the problems, according to Jeff Barr, Amazon's lead Web Evangelist, who <a href="http://twitter.com/jeffbarr/status/6983359095">retweeted a report</a> to that effect without clarification and confirmed it in later tweets.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>ARos writes " A holiday DDoS attack targeted a west-coast DNS provider , which is known for serving large-scale E-Commerce sites ( including amazon.com and walmart.com ) .
'Neustar , which provides DNS services to high profile website addresses under the UltraDNS brand , said the flood of malicious traffic , just two days before Christmas , was directed at the company 's facilities in San Jose and Palo Alto , and that the effects were mostly limited to California users .
' CNet adds : 'In addition to the high-profile sites , dozens of smaller sites that rely upon Amazon for Web-hosting services were also taken down by the attack .
Amazon 's S3 and EC2 services were affected by the problems , according to Jeff Barr , Amazon 's lead Web Evangelist , who retweeted a report to that effect without clarification and confirmed it in later tweets .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ARos writes "A holiday DDoS attack targeted a west-coast DNS provider, which is known for serving large-scale E-Commerce sites (including amazon.com and walmart.com).
'Neustar, which provides DNS services to high profile website addresses under the UltraDNS brand, said the flood of malicious traffic, just two days before Christmas, was directed at the company's facilities in San Jose and Palo Alto, and that the effects were mostly limited to California users.
' CNet adds: 'In addition to the high-profile sites, dozens of smaller sites that rely upon Amazon for Web-hosting services were also taken down by the attack.
Amazon's S3 and EC2 services were affected by the problems, according to Jeff Barr, Amazon's lead Web Evangelist, who retweeted a report to that effect without clarification and confirmed it in later tweets.
'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30555004</id>
	<title>Re:East Coast, no problem</title>
	<author>sopssa</author>
	<datestamp>1261825380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok, here's a solution.</p><p>Trace as many of the IPs as possible and let their owners know their computers have been using BitTorrent.</p><p>Any of them don't do squat about it after X amount of time, confiscate their computer for knowingly aiding and abetting a copyright infringement.  Or something.</p><p>Enough people get in trouble for not doing jack about their computers being used for copyright infringement and you can see vigilance going up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , here 's a solution.Trace as many of the IPs as possible and let their owners know their computers have been using BitTorrent.Any of them do n't do squat about it after X amount of time , confiscate their computer for knowingly aiding and abetting a copyright infringement .
Or something.Enough people get in trouble for not doing jack about their computers being used for copyright infringement and you can see vigilance going up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, here's a solution.Trace as many of the IPs as possible and let their owners know their computers have been using BitTorrent.Any of them don't do squat about it after X amount of time, confiscate their computer for knowingly aiding and abetting a copyright infringement.
Or something.Enough people get in trouble for not doing jack about their computers being used for copyright infringement and you can see vigilance going up.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30554144</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30554232</id>
	<title>poor illegal businesses</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261764720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if only they had government to help them</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if only they had government to help them</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if only they had government to help them</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553700</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553554</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>Brad1138</author>
	<datestamp>1261750920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Who is so damn board that they have nothing better to do than "attack" a web site? What feeling of accomplishment do they really get and/or what point are they trying to make? They need to get out of their mothers basement and do something with there lives.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who is so damn board that they have nothing better to do than " attack " a web site ?
What feeling of accomplishment do they really get and/or what point are they trying to make ?
They need to get out of their mothers basement and do something with there lives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who is so damn board that they have nothing better to do than "attack" a web site?
What feeling of accomplishment do they really get and/or what point are they trying to make?
They need to get out of their mothers basement and do something with there lives.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553924</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261757580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ever heard of DNS cache poisoning? There really should be an investigation into this. One of the attack vectors is pretty simple - use a DDOS to slow down the response time of the real DNS servers of *.amazon.com, use a cache poisoning timing-based attack on some subset of DNS servers further down the chain (like for example at a medium-sized ISP) to replace the IP of Amazon servers with an IP of your specially prepared hijacking servers, a client goes to amazon.com, but get redirected to your server, you proxy their traffic (use a man-in-the-middle attack to defeat SSL or just use human-engineering for that) until they make a purchase and instead of proxing their credit-card info you just keep it for your self and transfer money to your accounts. Profit!</p><p>Something like that could have taken place here, but you cann't know that until you analyse logs at Amazon and all the ISP DNS servers that could have beenaffected by this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ever heard of DNS cache poisoning ?
There really should be an investigation into this .
One of the attack vectors is pretty simple - use a DDOS to slow down the response time of the real DNS servers of * .amazon.com , use a cache poisoning timing-based attack on some subset of DNS servers further down the chain ( like for example at a medium-sized ISP ) to replace the IP of Amazon servers with an IP of your specially prepared hijacking servers , a client goes to amazon.com , but get redirected to your server , you proxy their traffic ( use a man-in-the-middle attack to defeat SSL or just use human-engineering for that ) until they make a purchase and instead of proxing their credit-card info you just keep it for your self and transfer money to your accounts .
Profit ! Something like that could have taken place here , but you can n't know that until you analyse logs at Amazon and all the ISP DNS servers that could have beenaffected by this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ever heard of DNS cache poisoning?
There really should be an investigation into this.
One of the attack vectors is pretty simple - use a DDOS to slow down the response time of the real DNS servers of *.amazon.com, use a cache poisoning timing-based attack on some subset of DNS servers further down the chain (like for example at a medium-sized ISP) to replace the IP of Amazon servers with an IP of your specially prepared hijacking servers, a client goes to amazon.com, but get redirected to your server, you proxy their traffic (use a man-in-the-middle attack to defeat SSL or just use human-engineering for that) until they make a purchase and instead of proxing their credit-card info you just keep it for your self and transfer money to your accounts.
Profit!Something like that could have taken place here, but you cann't know that until you analyse logs at Amazon and all the ISP DNS servers that could have beenaffected by this.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553554</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553730</id>
	<title>Attack vectors shifting?</title>
	<author>horatio</author>
	<datestamp>1261753800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like the attack vectors are shifting away from going after your target directly, but instead attacking the critical infrastructure support services like DNS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe I 'm wrong , but it seems like the attack vectors are shifting away from going after your target directly , but instead attacking the critical infrastructure support services like DNS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like the attack vectors are shifting away from going after your target directly, but instead attacking the critical infrastructure support services like DNS.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553928</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Jah-Wren Ryel</author>
	<datestamp>1261757700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What feeling of accomplishment do they really get and/or what point are they trying to make?</p></div><p>The ability to believably threaten to do it again in order to extort money.<br>Or, given the timing, they may have been trying to make good on such a threat.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What feeling of accomplishment do they really get and/or what point are they trying to make ? The ability to believably threaten to do it again in order to extort money.Or , given the timing , they may have been trying to make good on such a threat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What feeling of accomplishment do they really get and/or what point are they trying to make?The ability to believably threaten to do it again in order to extort money.Or, given the timing, they may have been trying to make good on such a threat.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553554</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553860</id>
	<title>No, it makes sense..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261756080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This site is for GNU/Linux (I got it right, bitches!) and F/OSS cheerleaders. As a general rule such people are slow on the uptake compared to other categories of nerds. This site is perfectly suited for these people who when they get home pour a hot cup of freshly brewed coffee (cream, no sugar), power on their laptop, grab a pillow, lay over it and proceed to type out the pearls of wisdom, that are these comments from the comfort of their basement - occasionally pausing to shake their fist in indignation towards poster of a hitler-mustached bill gates.</p><p>Sir, In fact, this important ritual is far, far greater than the quality or speed or for that matter content of news. We're all a nice happy community here at slashdot and we take care of our own. Don't you forget that, son.</p><p>Merry Christmas you funny, repulsive virgins.. A day late, but not too late.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This site is for GNU/Linux ( I got it right , bitches !
) and F/OSS cheerleaders .
As a general rule such people are slow on the uptake compared to other categories of nerds .
This site is perfectly suited for these people who when they get home pour a hot cup of freshly brewed coffee ( cream , no sugar ) , power on their laptop , grab a pillow , lay over it and proceed to type out the pearls of wisdom , that are these comments from the comfort of their basement - occasionally pausing to shake their fist in indignation towards poster of a hitler-mustached bill gates.Sir , In fact , this important ritual is far , far greater than the quality or speed or for that matter content of news .
We 're all a nice happy community here at slashdot and we take care of our own .
Do n't you forget that , son.Merry Christmas you funny , repulsive virgins.. A day late , but not too late .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This site is for GNU/Linux (I got it right, bitches!
) and F/OSS cheerleaders.
As a general rule such people are slow on the uptake compared to other categories of nerds.
This site is perfectly suited for these people who when they get home pour a hot cup of freshly brewed coffee (cream, no sugar), power on their laptop, grab a pillow, lay over it and proceed to type out the pearls of wisdom, that are these comments from the comfort of their basement - occasionally pausing to shake their fist in indignation towards poster of a hitler-mustached bill gates.Sir, In fact, this important ritual is far, far greater than the quality or speed or for that matter content of news.
We're all a nice happy community here at slashdot and we take care of our own.
Don't you forget that, son.Merry Christmas you funny, repulsive virgins.. A day late, but not too late.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553630</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553638</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261752360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Who is so damn board</p></div><p>Hey, if I were made of wood I'd be angry too.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who is so damn boardHey , if I were made of wood I 'd be angry too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who is so damn boardHey, if I were made of wood I'd be angry too.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553554</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30554818</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261821000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's been several DDoS attacks against hosting providers in the last week or so, including the one I work at. Both data centers were hit on different days, the one in California received a much larger attack. A day or so after the incident we heard a competitor was also hit, adding Amazon to the list makes it 3-4 DDoS attacks in 7 days. Are there technical specs anywhere? We noticed increased activity over port 22.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's been several DDoS attacks against hosting providers in the last week or so , including the one I work at .
Both data centers were hit on different days , the one in California received a much larger attack .
A day or so after the incident we heard a competitor was also hit , adding Amazon to the list makes it 3-4 DDoS attacks in 7 days .
Are there technical specs anywhere ?
We noticed increased activity over port 22 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's been several DDoS attacks against hosting providers in the last week or so, including the one I work at.
Both data centers were hit on different days, the one in California received a much larger attack.
A day or so after the incident we heard a competitor was also hit, adding Amazon to the list makes it 3-4 DDoS attacks in 7 days.
Are there technical specs anywhere?
We noticed increased activity over port 22.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553554</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30554144</id>
	<title>Re:East Coast, no problem</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1261763160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok, here's a solution.</p><p>Trace as many of the IPs as possible and let their owners know their computers have been jacked.</p><p>Any of them don't do squat about it after X amount of time, confiscate their computer for knowingly aiding and abetting a criminal offense.  Or something.</p><p>Enough people get in trouble for not doing jack about their computers being infected and you can see vigilance going up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , here 's a solution.Trace as many of the IPs as possible and let their owners know their computers have been jacked.Any of them do n't do squat about it after X amount of time , confiscate their computer for knowingly aiding and abetting a criminal offense .
Or something.Enough people get in trouble for not doing jack about their computers being infected and you can see vigilance going up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, here's a solution.Trace as many of the IPs as possible and let their owners know their computers have been jacked.Any of them don't do squat about it after X amount of time, confiscate their computer for knowingly aiding and abetting a criminal offense.
Or something.Enough people get in trouble for not doing jack about their computers being infected and you can see vigilance going up.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553562</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553562</id>
	<title>East Coast, no problem</title>
	<author>Suki I</author>
	<datestamp>1261751100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>A holiday DDoS attack targeted a west-coast DNS provider, which is known for serving large-scale E-Commerce sites (including amazon.com and walmart.com). 'Neustar, which provides DNS services to high profile website addresses under the UltraDNS brand, said the flood of malicious traffic, just two days before Christmas, was directed at the company's facilities in San Jose and Palo Alto, and that the effects were mostly limited to California users.'</i> <br> <br>




My book and blogger buddy in the Mid-Atlantic didn't notice any issue.  I hope they track the source down soon.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A holiday DDoS attack targeted a west-coast DNS provider , which is known for serving large-scale E-Commerce sites ( including amazon.com and walmart.com ) .
'Neustar , which provides DNS services to high profile website addresses under the UltraDNS brand , said the flood of malicious traffic , just two days before Christmas , was directed at the company 's facilities in San Jose and Palo Alto , and that the effects were mostly limited to California users .
' My book and blogger buddy in the Mid-Atlantic did n't notice any issue .
I hope they track the source down soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A holiday DDoS attack targeted a west-coast DNS provider, which is known for serving large-scale E-Commerce sites (including amazon.com and walmart.com).
'Neustar, which provides DNS services to high profile website addresses under the UltraDNS brand, said the flood of malicious traffic, just two days before Christmas, was directed at the company's facilities in San Jose and Palo Alto, and that the effects were mostly limited to California users.
'  




My book and blogger buddy in the Mid-Atlantic didn't notice any issue.
I hope they track the source down soon.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30554578</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Katchu</author>
	<datestamp>1261857660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Who is so damn board</p></div><p>Hey, if I were made of wood I'd be angry too.</p></div><p>Some old broad, probably.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who is so damn boardHey , if I were made of wood I 'd be angry too.Some old broad , probably .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who is so damn boardHey, if I were made of wood I'd be angry too.Some old broad, probably.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553638</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553752</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot, now slower than all the major commerc</title>
	<author>glitch23</author>
	<datestamp>1261754220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>One could think it is the holidays,</p></div><p>Think about what that sentence states and answer me 2 things: 1) Does it even make any sense? and 2) What does it mean?  I ask because "it is the holidays" does not make sense to me and I don't know what it means, not to mention it sounds stupid. What holidays? How can "it" be more than one holiday at the same time? Why is the non-sense term only used in December? A holiday is a specific day; not like a season that lasts for weeks. When is the proper time to start using the term "holidays" and when should I stop using the term "holidays"? Should I only do it to avoid using the term Christmas? What is the "holidays" etiquette?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One could think it is the holidays,Think about what that sentence states and answer me 2 things : 1 ) Does it even make any sense ?
and 2 ) What does it mean ?
I ask because " it is the holidays " does not make sense to me and I do n't know what it means , not to mention it sounds stupid .
What holidays ?
How can " it " be more than one holiday at the same time ?
Why is the non-sense term only used in December ?
A holiday is a specific day ; not like a season that lasts for weeks .
When is the proper time to start using the term " holidays " and when should I stop using the term " holidays " ?
Should I only do it to avoid using the term Christmas ?
What is the " holidays " etiquette ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One could think it is the holidays,Think about what that sentence states and answer me 2 things: 1) Does it even make any sense?
and 2) What does it mean?
I ask because "it is the holidays" does not make sense to me and I don't know what it means, not to mention it sounds stupid.
What holidays?
How can "it" be more than one holiday at the same time?
Why is the non-sense term only used in December?
A holiday is a specific day; not like a season that lasts for weeks.
When is the proper time to start using the term "holidays" and when should I stop using the term "holidays"?
Should I only do it to avoid using the term Christmas?
What is the "holidays" etiquette?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553630</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30555000</id>
	<title>Buzzword cringe</title>
	<author>adnonsense</author>
	<datestamp>1261825380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>... according to Jeff Barr, Amazon's lead Web Evangelist, who retweeted a report to that effect without clarification and confirmed it in later tweets.'</p></div></blockquote><p>
"Web Evangelist"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... "retweeted"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... "tweets"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:rolleyes:
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... according to Jeff Barr , Amazon 's lead Web Evangelist , who retweeted a report to that effect without clarification and confirmed it in later tweets .
' " Web Evangelist " ... " retweeted " ... " tweets " ... : rolleyes :</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... according to Jeff Barr, Amazon's lead Web Evangelist, who retweeted a report to that effect without clarification and confirmed it in later tweets.
'
"Web Evangelist" ... "retweeted" ... "tweets" ... :rolleyes:

	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30557304</id>
	<title>This is why...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261856640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you cannot rely solely on the claims of companies like UltraDNS and EasyDNS of their high availability. It is still necessary to maintain your own standby DNS servers in your data centers which receive zone updates from these services, and can be easily switched back to master mode when the updates stop coming.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you can not rely solely on the claims of companies like UltraDNS and EasyDNS of their high availability .
It is still necessary to maintain your own standby DNS servers in your data centers which receive zone updates from these services , and can be easily switched back to master mode when the updates stop coming .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you cannot rely solely on the claims of companies like UltraDNS and EasyDNS of their high availability.
It is still necessary to maintain your own standby DNS servers in your data centers which receive zone updates from these services, and can be easily switched back to master mode when the updates stop coming.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30556544</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261850160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if there's a mitm attack you will get a SSL warning about the certificate, if you are foolish enough to accept that "new" certificate, well.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if there 's a mitm attack you will get a SSL warning about the certificate , if you are foolish enough to accept that " new " certificate , well.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if there's a mitm attack you will get a SSL warning about the certificate, if you are foolish enough to accept that "new" certificate, well.....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553924</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553968</id>
	<title>start putting faces to these crimes</title>
	<author>Stan92057</author>
	<datestamp>1261758660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>They need to have very public court cases against these criminals to start putting faces to these crimes. There were probably being blackmailed pay up or suffer a DNS attack.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They need to have very public court cases against these criminals to start putting faces to these crimes .
There were probably being blackmailed pay up or suffer a DNS attack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They need to have very public court cases against these criminals to start putting faces to these crimes.
There were probably being blackmailed pay up or suffer a DNS attack.</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553944</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot, now slower than all the major commerc</title>
	<author>alen</author>
	<datestamp>1261757940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>with all the educated people here, you should know that celebrating the time around the winter solstice goes back a long way</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>with all the educated people here , you should know that celebrating the time around the winter solstice goes back a long way</tokentext>
<sentencetext>with all the educated people here, you should know that celebrating the time around the winter solstice goes back a long way</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30554624</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>tlhIngan</author>
	<datestamp>1261858740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Who is so damn board that they have nothing better to do than "attack" a web site? What feeling of accomplishment do they really get and/or what point are they trying to make? They need to get out of their mothers basement and do something with there lives.</p></div></blockquote><p>Money.</p><p>Online gambling sites are constantly attacked by DDoS, because they have money, and their continued revenue relies on people being able to connect reliably to their servers. Thus, you can threaten to shut down a site or ask they pay $5000 or so to avoid a protection fee.</p><p>I'm guessing in this economy, big sites like Amazon and the like are the next tempting targets. Imagine being able to shut them down during the critical shopping periods and how much money you could extort out of them.</p><p>And with EC2, many sites are probably running on it or relying on it for backup. Kill it and you've proved to many sites that their service could go down, and hey, would you like to pay $5000 to ensure it stays up? And heck, the sites that go down, you don't even have to know what they are. If it's a big site, the news will report it. If it's a small site, you'll hear about it through various forums. Boom, instant target list for extortion.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who is so damn board that they have nothing better to do than " attack " a web site ?
What feeling of accomplishment do they really get and/or what point are they trying to make ?
They need to get out of their mothers basement and do something with there lives.Money.Online gambling sites are constantly attacked by DDoS , because they have money , and their continued revenue relies on people being able to connect reliably to their servers .
Thus , you can threaten to shut down a site or ask they pay $ 5000 or so to avoid a protection fee.I 'm guessing in this economy , big sites like Amazon and the like are the next tempting targets .
Imagine being able to shut them down during the critical shopping periods and how much money you could extort out of them.And with EC2 , many sites are probably running on it or relying on it for backup .
Kill it and you 've proved to many sites that their service could go down , and hey , would you like to pay $ 5000 to ensure it stays up ?
And heck , the sites that go down , you do n't even have to know what they are .
If it 's a big site , the news will report it .
If it 's a small site , you 'll hear about it through various forums .
Boom , instant target list for extortion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who is so damn board that they have nothing better to do than "attack" a web site?
What feeling of accomplishment do they really get and/or what point are they trying to make?
They need to get out of their mothers basement and do something with there lives.Money.Online gambling sites are constantly attacked by DDoS, because they have money, and their continued revenue relies on people being able to connect reliably to their servers.
Thus, you can threaten to shut down a site or ask they pay $5000 or so to avoid a protection fee.I'm guessing in this economy, big sites like Amazon and the like are the next tempting targets.
Imagine being able to shut them down during the critical shopping periods and how much money you could extort out of them.And with EC2, many sites are probably running on it or relying on it for backup.
Kill it and you've proved to many sites that their service could go down, and hey, would you like to pay $5000 to ensure it stays up?
And heck, the sites that go down, you don't even have to know what they are.
If it's a big site, the news will report it.
If it's a small site, you'll hear about it through various forums.
Boom, instant target list for extortion.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30554224</id>
	<title>not an attack, desperate customers buying late</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261764660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A similar, "oh noes we've been DDoS'd," event happened earlier in the year (i forget when, but it was reported on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.) and it turned out a few days later that it wasn't an attack after all but an unexpected flood of customers trying to buy product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A similar , " oh noes we 've been DDoS 'd , " event happened earlier in the year ( i forget when , but it was reported on / .
) and it turned out a few days later that it was n't an attack after all but an unexpected flood of customers trying to buy product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A similar, "oh noes we've been DDoS'd," event happened earlier in the year (i forget when, but it was reported on /.
) and it turned out a few days later that it wasn't an attack after all but an unexpected flood of customers trying to buy product.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553700</id>
	<title>Consider extortion</title>
	<author>grolaw</author>
	<datestamp>1261753200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One reason for DDoS attacks is to prove that you can shutdown a site.</p><p>The site will pay for protection from future attacks.  The offshore gambling sites have been "victims" of these attacks according to Steve Gibson.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One reason for DDoS attacks is to prove that you can shutdown a site.The site will pay for protection from future attacks .
The offshore gambling sites have been " victims " of these attacks according to Steve Gibson .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One reason for DDoS attacks is to prove that you can shutdown a site.The site will pay for protection from future attacks.
The offshore gambling sites have been "victims" of these attacks according to Steve Gibson.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553746</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261754160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Who is so damn board that they have nothing better to do than "attack" a web site? What feeling of accomplishment do they really get and/or what point are they trying to make? They need to get out of their mothers basement and do something with there lives.</p></div><p>Step 1. DOS existing DNS server<br>Step 2. Make rogue DNS server active, which returns URL's for phishing organization's transparent proxy.<br>Step 3. Phish out all login, pw, and CC information.<br>Step 4. Launder info or use to run fraudulent transactions.<br>Step 5. Profit!</p><p>The technical details vary, of course, as well as the specific mechanism. But in essence this is most likely what was being attempted... how successful it was remains to be seen. Or it could be any number of people, organizations, or governments that would like to see a big hit to the largest online retailers during their busiest time of year.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who is so damn board that they have nothing better to do than " attack " a web site ?
What feeling of accomplishment do they really get and/or what point are they trying to make ?
They need to get out of their mothers basement and do something with there lives.Step 1 .
DOS existing DNS serverStep 2 .
Make rogue DNS server active , which returns URL 's for phishing organization 's transparent proxy.Step 3 .
Phish out all login , pw , and CC information.Step 4 .
Launder info or use to run fraudulent transactions.Step 5 .
Profit ! The technical details vary , of course , as well as the specific mechanism .
But in essence this is most likely what was being attempted... how successful it was remains to be seen .
Or it could be any number of people , organizations , or governments that would like to see a big hit to the largest online retailers during their busiest time of year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who is so damn board that they have nothing better to do than "attack" a web site?
What feeling of accomplishment do they really get and/or what point are they trying to make?
They need to get out of their mothers basement and do something with there lives.Step 1.
DOS existing DNS serverStep 2.
Make rogue DNS server active, which returns URL's for phishing organization's transparent proxy.Step 3.
Phish out all login, pw, and CC information.Step 4.
Launder info or use to run fraudulent transactions.Step 5.
Profit!The technical details vary, of course, as well as the specific mechanism.
But in essence this is most likely what was being attempted... how successful it was remains to be seen.
Or it could be any number of people, organizations, or governments that would like to see a big hit to the largest online retailers during their busiest time of year.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553988</id>
	<title>Evangelizing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261758960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure, I know what you're all thinking: "Lead Web Evangelist" is a really lame job title and/or job description.</p><p>All what I'm saying is that you should REALLY feel sorry for the <i>subordinate</i> web evangelists that by extension, Amazon also has on staff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , I know what you 're all thinking : " Lead Web Evangelist " is a really lame job title and/or job description.All what I 'm saying is that you should REALLY feel sorry for the subordinate web evangelists that by extension , Amazon also has on staff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, I know what you're all thinking: "Lead Web Evangelist" is a really lame job title and/or job description.All what I'm saying is that you should REALLY feel sorry for the subordinate web evangelists that by extension, Amazon also has on staff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30554242</id>
	<title>Another simple example about "cloud security"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261764840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>cloud security -- when a simple grenade can destroy the entire city<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.....</p><p>So how is putting all the eggs of a collective into a single leaky nest going to protect them??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>cloud security -- when a simple grenade can destroy the entire city .....So how is putting all the eggs of a collective into a single leaky nest going to protect them ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>cloud security -- when a simple grenade can destroy the entire city .....So how is putting all the eggs of a collective into a single leaky nest going to protect them?
?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553874</id>
	<title>What is gained-Bill Starkov</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261756320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Perhaps to show that they can do it, but then whaRegards, Bill Starkov</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps to show that they can do it , but then whaRegards , Bill Starkov</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps to show that they can do it, but then whaRegards, Bill Starkov</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30558328</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>ascari</author>
	<datestamp>1261821660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hmm. A competitor perchance?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm .
A competitor perchance ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm.
A competitor perchance?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30554036</id>
	<title>Linux gets shit on.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261760340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The white man has repressed the Linux using community for too long.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The white man has repressed the Linux using community for too long .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The white man has repressed the Linux using community for too long.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553668</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261752720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Plank-ton?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Plank-ton ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plank-ton?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30553630</id>
	<title>Slashdot, now slower than all the major commercial</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261752300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... sites.</p><p>One could think it is the holidays, but this simply isn't the case. Slashdot now often falls behind even engadget when reporting on "tech news". In fact, if it wasn't for the established community and passable moderation system this site would be completely worthless for keeping up with anything.</p><p>Get it together guys and stop being so damn lazy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... sites.One could think it is the holidays , but this simply is n't the case .
Slashdot now often falls behind even engadget when reporting on " tech news " .
In fact , if it was n't for the established community and passable moderation system this site would be completely worthless for keeping up with anything.Get it together guys and stop being so damn lazy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... sites.One could think it is the holidays, but this simply isn't the case.
Slashdot now often falls behind even engadget when reporting on "tech news".
In fact, if it wasn't for the established community and passable moderation system this site would be completely worthless for keeping up with anything.Get it together guys and stop being so damn lazy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30554932</id>
	<title>Bad Choice of Words</title>
	<author>eulernet</author>
	<datestamp>1261823820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the Register article:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Although more limited, Wednesday's <b>malicious torrent</b> of web traffic will insure that someone gets coal in their stocking.</p></div><p>Of course, it's again the fault of those torrents of bits.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the Register article : Although more limited , Wednesday 's malicious torrent of web traffic will insure that someone gets coal in their stocking.Of course , it 's again the fault of those torrents of bits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the Register article:Although more limited, Wednesday's malicious torrent of web traffic will insure that someone gets coal in their stocking.Of course, it's again the fault of those torrents of bits.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_2247211.30557920</id>
	<title>Re:What is gained-Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261818420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look at me!  I'm adding no content to the discussioRegards, Anonymous Coward</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look at me !
I 'm adding no content to the discussioRegards , Anonymous Coward</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look at me!
I'm adding no content to the discussioRegards, Anonymous Coward</sentencetext>
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