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	<title>Skeptics Question OLPC's Focus With $75 Tablet</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1261741380000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>With the recent announcement of <a href="http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/12/23/1952202/OLPC-Unveils-Plans-For-Tablets-By-2012?from=rss">OLPC's shift in focus</a>, many are criticizing the nonprofit's attempt to design what could be seen as <a href="http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/185420/skeptics\_question\_olpcs\_focus\_with\_75\_tablet.html">unrealistic hardware at an impossible price point</a>.  <i>"The OLPC project has become an unrealistic hardware 'dream' and lost its focus on education, wrote blogger Wayan Vota on OLPC News, which has followed the OLPC since its inception. The project comes up with unrealistic hardware designs and price points that destroy its purpose even more, he wrote.  'Excuse me if I get mad at the XO-3 hype. I'm angry at the energy devoted to fantasy XO hardware instead of OLPC educational reality. I miss the original OLPC Mission, where children, not computers, controlled our dreams,' Vota wrote."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>With the recent announcement of OLPC 's shift in focus , many are criticizing the nonprofit 's attempt to design what could be seen as unrealistic hardware at an impossible price point .
" The OLPC project has become an unrealistic hardware 'dream ' and lost its focus on education , wrote blogger Wayan Vota on OLPC News , which has followed the OLPC since its inception .
The project comes up with unrealistic hardware designs and price points that destroy its purpose even more , he wrote .
'Excuse me if I get mad at the XO-3 hype .
I 'm angry at the energy devoted to fantasy XO hardware instead of OLPC educational reality .
I miss the original OLPC Mission , where children , not computers , controlled our dreams, ' Vota wrote .
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<sentencetext>With the recent announcement of OLPC's shift in focus, many are criticizing the nonprofit's attempt to design what could be seen as unrealistic hardware at an impossible price point.
"The OLPC project has become an unrealistic hardware 'dream' and lost its focus on education, wrote blogger Wayan Vota on OLPC News, which has followed the OLPC since its inception.
The project comes up with unrealistic hardware designs and price points that destroy its purpose even more, he wrote.
'Excuse me if I get mad at the XO-3 hype.
I'm angry at the energy devoted to fantasy XO hardware instead of OLPC educational reality.
I miss the original OLPC Mission, where children, not computers, controlled our dreams,' Vota wrote.
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	<title>Aim lower and hit the target</title>
	<author>steveha</author>
	<datestamp>1261823880000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>When the OLPC was first announced, I was surprised that they were making things so hard on themselves.  A clamshell, with keyboard, with color screen?  Trying to hit a $100 price point?  It seemed like that would be hard, and it was... hard enough that they didn't hit their target.  The OLPC XO costs double the target price, it is glacially slow, and at least the one I bought has a totally unusable touch pad.</p><p>What I thought they should have done was to make something rather like a Handspring Visor, but bigger.  A tablet with a touchscreen and a stylus.  One piece, no hinges.  It could have a flip cover, and the cover could have little pins that go into molded dimples on the tablet; the cover would protect the touchscreen when closed, but would not be actually part of the tablet and would be easy to replace.  But a plastic cover isn't a strict necessity; a slip case of cloth or vinyl or whatever would serve just fine.</p><p>Color is great, and kids love it, but it is <em>not necessary</em> and hitting the price point is more important.</p><p>I remember when the Palm PDA first came out, I read about attachments you could get to hook up science probes (thermometers and pH probes) and how teachers were taking kids out to ponds or wetlands to measure things.  No color screen there, not needed.</p><p>I have carried a Palm or Handspring PDA since the Palm first came out.  I have used them for reading books (mostly fiction but some nonfiction).  The core mission of the OLPC really is to serve as the textbooks for the children.  No color screen needed.</p><p>So, let's imagine a tablet, with a touchscreen and a stylus.  The stylus stores in a "silo" as with a Palm PDA.  The screen is maybe 6 inches (15 cm).  Like a Palm PDA, it has a few "hard keys" along with the screen, and in fact let's give it a game pad (direction pad) like a Nintendo DS, and standard 1/8" mini jacks for headphones and microphone.  It has whatever CPU makes technical sense, likely an ARM (certainly not an x86).  It even has a USB connector or two, making it possible to prop this thing up and plug in a keyboard (whatever you can buy cheapest from some Chinese manufacturer).  It would be great if it had an SD card slot, but with the USB connector you don't actually need an SD card slot and it's more important that it be simple and cheap to produce.  Design it brain dead simple: take it apart, and you have the mainboard, the screen, the battery pack, and the case.  Could this be built for the sub-$100 price point?  Yes.  Now upgrade the screen to color, <em>if</em> you can hit the price point.  Then maybe add WiFi, <em>if</em> you can hit the price point.  Cameras are fun too, <em>if</em> you can hit the price point.</p><p>If you can save money by making the screen the exact size and shape as would be used in a hugely mass-produced portable DVD player, do that.  If you have to, make a dual-screen design like a Nintendo DS that uses standard cell phone displays.  As long as you can make a device that can be field-repaired and cheaply mass-produced, you can be flexible with the design.  But it doesn't have to look like a laptop and it shouldn't have any hinges or other moving parts.  Maybe it doesn't even have a DC power jack; maybe you charge it by plugging in to the USB port.  Or maybe not; I'm not an expert on this stuff, have an expert advise you on what is most cost-effective.</p><p>Now mass produce the things and sell them to anyone who wants one.  Get the production quantity up.  But <em>hit the frakking price point</em>.</p><p>For bonus points, make thermometers, pH probes, volt/ohm probes, and such that plug in to the USB or the microphone jack, and mass produce those as well.</p><p>Actual devices like this, in actual school children's hands, would be far better than a more ambitious device that doesn't hit the price point and only gets deployed in a very few locations.</p><p>P.S. I'm glad the XO-2 seems to be dead.  Dual full-color touch screens <em>with a hinge?</em>  That is not a design for inexpensive mass production.</p><p>steveha</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When the OLPC was first announced , I was surprised that they were making things so hard on themselves .
A clamshell , with keyboard , with color screen ?
Trying to hit a $ 100 price point ?
It seemed like that would be hard , and it was... hard enough that they did n't hit their target .
The OLPC XO costs double the target price , it is glacially slow , and at least the one I bought has a totally unusable touch pad.What I thought they should have done was to make something rather like a Handspring Visor , but bigger .
A tablet with a touchscreen and a stylus .
One piece , no hinges .
It could have a flip cover , and the cover could have little pins that go into molded dimples on the tablet ; the cover would protect the touchscreen when closed , but would not be actually part of the tablet and would be easy to replace .
But a plastic cover is n't a strict necessity ; a slip case of cloth or vinyl or whatever would serve just fine.Color is great , and kids love it , but it is not necessary and hitting the price point is more important.I remember when the Palm PDA first came out , I read about attachments you could get to hook up science probes ( thermometers and pH probes ) and how teachers were taking kids out to ponds or wetlands to measure things .
No color screen there , not needed.I have carried a Palm or Handspring PDA since the Palm first came out .
I have used them for reading books ( mostly fiction but some nonfiction ) .
The core mission of the OLPC really is to serve as the textbooks for the children .
No color screen needed.So , let 's imagine a tablet , with a touchscreen and a stylus .
The stylus stores in a " silo " as with a Palm PDA .
The screen is maybe 6 inches ( 15 cm ) .
Like a Palm PDA , it has a few " hard keys " along with the screen , and in fact let 's give it a game pad ( direction pad ) like a Nintendo DS , and standard 1/8 " mini jacks for headphones and microphone .
It has whatever CPU makes technical sense , likely an ARM ( certainly not an x86 ) .
It even has a USB connector or two , making it possible to prop this thing up and plug in a keyboard ( whatever you can buy cheapest from some Chinese manufacturer ) .
It would be great if it had an SD card slot , but with the USB connector you do n't actually need an SD card slot and it 's more important that it be simple and cheap to produce .
Design it brain dead simple : take it apart , and you have the mainboard , the screen , the battery pack , and the case .
Could this be built for the sub- $ 100 price point ?
Yes. Now upgrade the screen to color , if you can hit the price point .
Then maybe add WiFi , if you can hit the price point .
Cameras are fun too , if you can hit the price point.If you can save money by making the screen the exact size and shape as would be used in a hugely mass-produced portable DVD player , do that .
If you have to , make a dual-screen design like a Nintendo DS that uses standard cell phone displays .
As long as you can make a device that can be field-repaired and cheaply mass-produced , you can be flexible with the design .
But it does n't have to look like a laptop and it should n't have any hinges or other moving parts .
Maybe it does n't even have a DC power jack ; maybe you charge it by plugging in to the USB port .
Or maybe not ; I 'm not an expert on this stuff , have an expert advise you on what is most cost-effective.Now mass produce the things and sell them to anyone who wants one .
Get the production quantity up .
But hit the frakking price point.For bonus points , make thermometers , pH probes , volt/ohm probes , and such that plug in to the USB or the microphone jack , and mass produce those as well.Actual devices like this , in actual school children 's hands , would be far better than a more ambitious device that does n't hit the price point and only gets deployed in a very few locations.P.S .
I 'm glad the XO-2 seems to be dead .
Dual full-color touch screens with a hinge ?
That is not a design for inexpensive mass production.steveha</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When the OLPC was first announced, I was surprised that they were making things so hard on themselves.
A clamshell, with keyboard, with color screen?
Trying to hit a $100 price point?
It seemed like that would be hard, and it was... hard enough that they didn't hit their target.
The OLPC XO costs double the target price, it is glacially slow, and at least the one I bought has a totally unusable touch pad.What I thought they should have done was to make something rather like a Handspring Visor, but bigger.
A tablet with a touchscreen and a stylus.
One piece, no hinges.
It could have a flip cover, and the cover could have little pins that go into molded dimples on the tablet; the cover would protect the touchscreen when closed, but would not be actually part of the tablet and would be easy to replace.
But a plastic cover isn't a strict necessity; a slip case of cloth or vinyl or whatever would serve just fine.Color is great, and kids love it, but it is not necessary and hitting the price point is more important.I remember when the Palm PDA first came out, I read about attachments you could get to hook up science probes (thermometers and pH probes) and how teachers were taking kids out to ponds or wetlands to measure things.
No color screen there, not needed.I have carried a Palm or Handspring PDA since the Palm first came out.
I have used them for reading books (mostly fiction but some nonfiction).
The core mission of the OLPC really is to serve as the textbooks for the children.
No color screen needed.So, let's imagine a tablet, with a touchscreen and a stylus.
The stylus stores in a "silo" as with a Palm PDA.
The screen is maybe 6 inches (15 cm).
Like a Palm PDA, it has a few "hard keys" along with the screen, and in fact let's give it a game pad (direction pad) like a Nintendo DS, and standard 1/8" mini jacks for headphones and microphone.
It has whatever CPU makes technical sense, likely an ARM (certainly not an x86).
It even has a USB connector or two, making it possible to prop this thing up and plug in a keyboard (whatever you can buy cheapest from some Chinese manufacturer).
It would be great if it had an SD card slot, but with the USB connector you don't actually need an SD card slot and it's more important that it be simple and cheap to produce.
Design it brain dead simple: take it apart, and you have the mainboard, the screen, the battery pack, and the case.
Could this be built for the sub-$100 price point?
Yes.  Now upgrade the screen to color, if you can hit the price point.
Then maybe add WiFi, if you can hit the price point.
Cameras are fun too, if you can hit the price point.If you can save money by making the screen the exact size and shape as would be used in a hugely mass-produced portable DVD player, do that.
If you have to, make a dual-screen design like a Nintendo DS that uses standard cell phone displays.
As long as you can make a device that can be field-repaired and cheaply mass-produced, you can be flexible with the design.
But it doesn't have to look like a laptop and it shouldn't have any hinges or other moving parts.
Maybe it doesn't even have a DC power jack; maybe you charge it by plugging in to the USB port.
Or maybe not; I'm not an expert on this stuff, have an expert advise you on what is most cost-effective.Now mass produce the things and sell them to anyone who wants one.
Get the production quantity up.
But hit the frakking price point.For bonus points, make thermometers, pH probes, volt/ohm probes, and such that plug in to the USB or the microphone jack, and mass produce those as well.Actual devices like this, in actual school children's hands, would be far better than a more ambitious device that doesn't hit the price point and only gets deployed in a very few locations.P.S.
I'm glad the XO-2 seems to be dead.
Dual full-color touch screens with a hinge?
That is not a design for inexpensive mass production.steveha</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30555100</id>
	<title>Need to know local needs first...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261828080000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Apparently many slashdotter have no idea what Afghanistan needs in terms of education. Although the DiY solutions is always the geek's perfect dream, in reality, given the infrastructure and the local needs, a PC won't do it unless coupled with a structured involvement of local communities, with proper training of teachers. OLPC (the organization) deals with the highest level of government, which at the moment is a corrupt bunch. Teachers cannot be substituted, as you can easily read from Greg Mortenson work (far more effective than OLPC wil ever be in Afghanistan in its current implementation):</p><p>http://www.threecupsoftea.com/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently many slashdotter have no idea what Afghanistan needs in terms of education .
Although the DiY solutions is always the geek 's perfect dream , in reality , given the infrastructure and the local needs , a PC wo n't do it unless coupled with a structured involvement of local communities , with proper training of teachers .
OLPC ( the organization ) deals with the highest level of government , which at the moment is a corrupt bunch .
Teachers can not be substituted , as you can easily read from Greg Mortenson work ( far more effective than OLPC wil ever be in Afghanistan in its current implementation ) : http : //www.threecupsoftea.com/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently many slashdotter have no idea what Afghanistan needs in terms of education.
Although the DiY solutions is always the geek's perfect dream, in reality, given the infrastructure and the local needs, a PC won't do it unless coupled with a structured involvement of local communities, with proper training of teachers.
OLPC (the organization) deals with the highest level of government, which at the moment is a corrupt bunch.
Teachers cannot be substituted, as you can easily read from Greg Mortenson work (far more effective than OLPC wil ever be in Afghanistan in its current implementation):http://www.threecupsoftea.com/</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30553360</id>
	<title>Re:Needed: DIY education software</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261747680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Soon as Microsoft became interested in this OLPC project, I knew it was doomed.  That's because it's all about marketshare for them and is not otherwise anything they've shown any interest in.  Go ahead and mod me troll because you don't like it, cuz I don't either, but that observation has predictive power.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Soon as Microsoft became interested in this OLPC project , I knew it was doomed .
That 's because it 's all about marketshare for them and is not otherwise anything they 've shown any interest in .
Go ahead and mod me troll because you do n't like it , cuz I do n't either , but that observation has predictive power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Soon as Microsoft became interested in this OLPC project, I knew it was doomed.
That's because it's all about marketshare for them and is not otherwise anything they've shown any interest in.
Go ahead and mod me troll because you don't like it, cuz I don't either, but that observation has predictive power.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30554886</id>
	<title>you don`t need a laptop</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261822800000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>yeah! a crime to say such a thing, the holy CPU will be displeased with me I know, but it would be more use to get some smart people together to design and print rafts of sturdy books comprised of diagrams and cartoons, the cartoons suggest ways of acting together, complex ideas not apparent to primitive cultures (ie disease transmission/control) and social interaction, and the diagrams show how to build a decent house, smelt metal, build tools, quarry/shape stone, dig wells, arrange sanitation etc, I think that would be more useful and cost effective.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yeah !
a crime to say such a thing , the holy CPU will be displeased with me I know , but it would be more use to get some smart people together to design and print rafts of sturdy books comprised of diagrams and cartoons , the cartoons suggest ways of acting together , complex ideas not apparent to primitive cultures ( ie disease transmission/control ) and social interaction , and the diagrams show how to build a decent house , smelt metal , build tools , quarry/shape stone , dig wells , arrange sanitation etc , I think that would be more useful and cost effective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yeah!
a crime to say such a thing, the holy CPU will be displeased with me I know, but it would be more use to get some smart people together to design and print rafts of sturdy books comprised of diagrams and cartoons, the cartoons suggest ways of acting together, complex ideas not apparent to primitive cultures (ie disease transmission/control) and social interaction, and the diagrams show how to build a decent house, smelt metal, build tools, quarry/shape stone, dig wells, arrange sanitation etc, I think that would be more useful and cost effective.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Seriously...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261746900000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Does anyone take anything said by the OLPC program seriously anymore?  I think the idea of providing these to needy children was never a goal taken seriously by these people. They wanted a hardware design playground and used the above-mentioned goal as a way to gain the support needed for their playtime. Education was never a goal.

There, I said it. Mod me to hell.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone take anything said by the OLPC program seriously anymore ?
I think the idea of providing these to needy children was never a goal taken seriously by these people .
They wanted a hardware design playground and used the above-mentioned goal as a way to gain the support needed for their playtime .
Education was never a goal .
There , I said it .
Mod me to hell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone take anything said by the OLPC program seriously anymore?
I think the idea of providing these to needy children was never a goal taken seriously by these people.
They wanted a hardware design playground and used the above-mentioned goal as a way to gain the support needed for their playtime.
Education was never a goal.
There, I said it.
Mod me to hell.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Infinite Loop</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1261753620000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i>The OLPC needs to be coupled with software that gives children a basic education with little or no teacher assistance.</i> </p><p>This is the fantasy that sank OLPC the first time around.</p><p>Every culture has its own educational tradition. Its own theory of <b>how</b> children should be taught,<b>what</b> they should be taught, and by <b>who</b> they should be taught.</p><p>There are gatekeepers, secular and religious.</p><p> "No" means "no." No purchase orders. No deployment. No support. No protection.</p><p>You can't work openly.</p><p> You can't work secretly without someone paying the ultimate price.</p><p><i> "If you educate a boy, you educate an individual; but if you educate a girl, you educate a community. No other factor even comes close to matching the cascade of positive changes triggered by teaching a single girl how to read and write."</i> <a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/Books/2009/1222/Stones-Into-Schools" title="csmonitor.com">Stones Into Schools</a> [csmonitor.com] </p><p><a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jgE1sYe8FQSpudYAflG0zgPQHB4g" title="google.com">Taliban bomb schools in NW Pakistan</a> [google.com] </p><p>The geek will blithely hand the Afghan girl a lime-green laptop that can never be openly carried or displayed.</p><p>It would be suicidal even to speak of it to a stranger.</p><p>The girl is illiterate, like her sisters, her mother, her grandmother.</p><p>True literacy implies a basic understanding of <b>all</b> forms of communication. The girl needs to learn how to see. The girl needs to learn how to hear.</p><p>The girl needs a teacher. She needs a school - a defensible space in which to learn.</p><p>
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<tokenext>The OLPC needs to be coupled with software that gives children a basic education with little or no teacher assistance .
This is the fantasy that sank OLPC the first time around.Every culture has its own educational tradition .
Its own theory of how children should be taught,what they should be taught , and by who they should be taught.There are gatekeepers , secular and religious .
" No " means " no .
" No purchase orders .
No deployment .
No support .
No protection.You ca n't work openly .
You ca n't work secretly without someone paying the ultimate price .
" If you educate a boy , you educate an individual ; but if you educate a girl , you educate a community .
No other factor even comes close to matching the cascade of positive changes triggered by teaching a single girl how to read and write .
" Stones Into Schools [ csmonitor.com ] Taliban bomb schools in NW Pakistan [ google.com ] The geek will blithely hand the Afghan girl a lime-green laptop that can never be openly carried or displayed.It would be suicidal even to speak of it to a stranger.The girl is illiterate , like her sisters , her mother , her grandmother.True literacy implies a basic understanding of all forms of communication .
The girl needs to learn how to see .
The girl needs to learn how to hear.The girl needs a teacher .
She needs a school - a defensible space in which to learn .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>The OLPC needs to be coupled with software that gives children a basic education with little or no teacher assistance.
This is the fantasy that sank OLPC the first time around.Every culture has its own educational tradition.
Its own theory of how children should be taught,what they should be taught, and by who they should be taught.There are gatekeepers, secular and religious.
"No" means "no.
" No purchase orders.
No deployment.
No support.
No protection.You can't work openly.
You can't work secretly without someone paying the ultimate price.
"If you educate a boy, you educate an individual; but if you educate a girl, you educate a community.
No other factor even comes close to matching the cascade of positive changes triggered by teaching a single girl how to read and write.
" Stones Into Schools [csmonitor.com] Taliban bomb schools in NW Pakistan [google.com] The geek will blithely hand the Afghan girl a lime-green laptop that can never be openly carried or displayed.It would be suicidal even to speak of it to a stranger.The girl is illiterate, like her sisters, her mother, her grandmother.True literacy implies a basic understanding of all forms of communication.
The girl needs to learn how to see.
The girl needs to learn how to hear.The girl needs a teacher.
She needs a school - a defensible space in which to learn.
 </sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Needed: DIY education software</title>
	<author>Darkness404</author>
	<datestamp>1261747200000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>The problem is, without much teacher assistance, education for the sake of learning, won't exist and without that there is no way for them to get ahead. For example, without a teacher to prod students in learning chemistry, there is very little motivation for the student to learn chemistry in a third-world country. Why would the average kid there study about valence electrons when there is seemingly little future for it? In a student with a developed, or developing economy, a student might want to be a chemist and make a living, but in a war or poverty torn nation, chemistry would be little more than a trivia. <br> <br>

While students may have an aptitude for learning practical skills, those things do little more than sustain them. In order to make a difference higher education for the sake of learning must happen, teachers are one way of giving the motivation to make it happen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is , without much teacher assistance , education for the sake of learning , wo n't exist and without that there is no way for them to get ahead .
For example , without a teacher to prod students in learning chemistry , there is very little motivation for the student to learn chemistry in a third-world country .
Why would the average kid there study about valence electrons when there is seemingly little future for it ?
In a student with a developed , or developing economy , a student might want to be a chemist and make a living , but in a war or poverty torn nation , chemistry would be little more than a trivia .
While students may have an aptitude for learning practical skills , those things do little more than sustain them .
In order to make a difference higher education for the sake of learning must happen , teachers are one way of giving the motivation to make it happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is, without much teacher assistance, education for the sake of learning, won't exist and without that there is no way for them to get ahead.
For example, without a teacher to prod students in learning chemistry, there is very little motivation for the student to learn chemistry in a third-world country.
Why would the average kid there study about valence electrons when there is seemingly little future for it?
In a student with a developed, or developing economy, a student might want to be a chemist and make a living, but in a war or poverty torn nation, chemistry would be little more than a trivia.
While students may have an aptitude for learning practical skills, those things do little more than sustain them.
In order to make a difference higher education for the sake of learning must happen, teachers are one way of giving the motivation to make it happen.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Needed: DIY education software</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261745220000</datestamp>
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Yes.  The OLPC needs to be coupled with software that gives children a basic education with little or no teacher assistance.  Then it's worth deploying in places where the educational system has broken down.
</p><p>
Like Afghanistan.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes .
The OLPC needs to be coupled with software that gives children a basic education with little or no teacher assistance .
Then it 's worth deploying in places where the educational system has broken down .
Like Afghanistan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Yes.
The OLPC needs to be coupled with software that gives children a basic education with little or no teacher assistance.
Then it's worth deploying in places where the educational system has broken down.
Like Afghanistan.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30554482</id>
	<title>Re:typical techie outcome</title>
	<author>v(*\_*)vvvv</author>
	<datestamp>1261769280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>to implement a business plan</p></div><p>BTW, They are a nonprofit organization.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>to implement a business planBTW , They are a nonprofit organization .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>to implement a business planBTW, They are a nonprofit organization.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30557230</id>
	<title>World problem solving shit list</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261856160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I knew this project was doomed from the day it started - bleeding hearts "saving the world" though technology? Technology rarely does that, people do that. I have a bleeding heart too but you have to realize this stuff is not simple to solve. Now they've wasted a metric fuck-ton of money and time that could have been spent doing real stuff like helping starving people migrate, learn to farm, or fuck - just sending them rice instead of computers. The solution is not to give starving/dying/underpriviledged people people access to crummy versions of modern technology, it's to help them learn to survive on their own and addressing the root causes of their problems, which often involve government, land, and resources.</p><p>Here's a hint:</p><p>Can you eat the OLPC? Can you cook with it? Can you use it to light up the hut at night? No, it doesn't do any of those things very well.</p><p>Negroponte is on my shit list above even Kamen for being the most pretentious and stuck up "world problem solving" useless engineers.</p><p>And you all totally care and will even see this post because I'm an A.C.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/rant</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I knew this project was doomed from the day it started - bleeding hearts " saving the world " though technology ?
Technology rarely does that , people do that .
I have a bleeding heart too but you have to realize this stuff is not simple to solve .
Now they 've wasted a metric fuck-ton of money and time that could have been spent doing real stuff like helping starving people migrate , learn to farm , or fuck - just sending them rice instead of computers .
The solution is not to give starving/dying/underpriviledged people people access to crummy versions of modern technology , it 's to help them learn to survive on their own and addressing the root causes of their problems , which often involve government , land , and resources.Here 's a hint : Can you eat the OLPC ?
Can you cook with it ?
Can you use it to light up the hut at night ?
No , it does n't do any of those things very well.Negroponte is on my shit list above even Kamen for being the most pretentious and stuck up " world problem solving " useless engineers.And you all totally care and will even see this post because I 'm an A.C. /rant</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I knew this project was doomed from the day it started - bleeding hearts "saving the world" though technology?
Technology rarely does that, people do that.
I have a bleeding heart too but you have to realize this stuff is not simple to solve.
Now they've wasted a metric fuck-ton of money and time that could have been spent doing real stuff like helping starving people migrate, learn to farm, or fuck - just sending them rice instead of computers.
The solution is not to give starving/dying/underpriviledged people people access to crummy versions of modern technology, it's to help them learn to survive on their own and addressing the root causes of their problems, which often involve government, land, and resources.Here's a hint:Can you eat the OLPC?
Can you cook with it?
Can you use it to light up the hut at night?
No, it doesn't do any of those things very well.Negroponte is on my shit list above even Kamen for being the most pretentious and stuck up "world problem solving" useless engineers.And you all totally care and will even see this post because I'm an A.C. /rant</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30554472</id>
	<title>Re:Why laptops?</title>
	<author>v(*\_*)vvvv</author>
	<datestamp>1261769040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Parent misses the point. Which is a given, because he admits to not getting the point.</p><p>There is a fundamental difference between GIVING a PERSONAL computer "toy" versus providing a community with a few good computers. There are also many logistical problems.</p><p>Would you rather share a swing or have your own jungle gym in your back yard? To this end, I give OLPC props. Kids can possess something inspiring. Although, whether OLPC software really educates is a whole different debate.</p><p>Also, I must say this. Computer labs are overrated. You can't save anything. You can't build anything. You can tinker with it, then the next time around you are at zero. Also, it definitely depends on who is maintaining it all, but computer labs can break down very easily. Viruses, bugs, hacked by users, etc. Robbery can also be an issue depending on the hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Parent misses the point .
Which is a given , because he admits to not getting the point.There is a fundamental difference between GIVING a PERSONAL computer " toy " versus providing a community with a few good computers .
There are also many logistical problems.Would you rather share a swing or have your own jungle gym in your back yard ?
To this end , I give OLPC props .
Kids can possess something inspiring .
Although , whether OLPC software really educates is a whole different debate.Also , I must say this .
Computer labs are overrated .
You ca n't save anything .
You ca n't build anything .
You can tinker with it , then the next time around you are at zero .
Also , it definitely depends on who is maintaining it all , but computer labs can break down very easily .
Viruses , bugs , hacked by users , etc .
Robbery can also be an issue depending on the hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Parent misses the point.
Which is a given, because he admits to not getting the point.There is a fundamental difference between GIVING a PERSONAL computer "toy" versus providing a community with a few good computers.
There are also many logistical problems.Would you rather share a swing or have your own jungle gym in your back yard?
To this end, I give OLPC props.
Kids can possess something inspiring.
Although, whether OLPC software really educates is a whole different debate.Also, I must say this.
Computer labs are overrated.
You can't save anything.
You can't build anything.
You can tinker with it, then the next time around you are at zero.
Also, it definitely depends on who is maintaining it all, but computer labs can break down very easily.
Viruses, bugs, hacked by users, etc.
Robbery can also be an issue depending on the hardware.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30554172</id>
	<title>What about trade-ins</title>
	<author>uninformedLuddite</author>
	<datestamp>1261763580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Couldn't a program be run by some big corporate mob where they give you a hundred bucks off the cost of your shiny new laptop. Then they could take your old one, give it to the poor with Linux installed on it? I have a couple of old laptops here that would fit the bill perfectly and I bet a lot of other<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. users would too. We don't need to create something when the resource they need  is sitting around wanting to be used but headed for the dump or years in a dusty draw.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could n't a program be run by some big corporate mob where they give you a hundred bucks off the cost of your shiny new laptop .
Then they could take your old one , give it to the poor with Linux installed on it ?
I have a couple of old laptops here that would fit the bill perfectly and I bet a lot of other / .
users would too .
We do n't need to create something when the resource they need is sitting around wanting to be used but headed for the dump or years in a dusty draw .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Couldn't a program be run by some big corporate mob where they give you a hundred bucks off the cost of your shiny new laptop.
Then they could take your old one, give it to the poor with Linux installed on it?
I have a couple of old laptops here that would fit the bill perfectly and I bet a lot of other /.
users would too.
We don't need to create something when the resource they need  is sitting around wanting to be used but headed for the dump or years in a dusty draw.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30555058</id>
	<title>OLPC == Micro$oft</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261826760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's when they dropped the ball and became completely uninteresting and evil.</p><p><a href="http://msversus.org/" title="msversus.org" rel="nofollow">http://msversus.org/</a> [msversus.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's when they dropped the ball and became completely uninteresting and evil.http : //msversus.org/ [ msversus.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's when they dropped the ball and became completely uninteresting and evil.http://msversus.org/ [msversus.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30555080</id>
	<title>Re:Why laptops?</title>
	<author>Mark Trade</author>
	<datestamp>1261827420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I studied in Mexico for a while and it is quite common for many people, especially kids, to go to the neighborhood Internet cafe and pay a small fee to use their computers.</p></div><p>There are places where there is no neighborhood, let alone an internet cafe. This is why the XO has mesh Wifi.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>1.) These are poor countries and the devices may be lost/stolen/sold to pay for essentials of life</p></div><p>There wouldn't be any market if everybody had an OLPC and it would be only good for learning.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>2.) Not likely to have Internet access at home, may not even have reliable electricity</p></div><p>See above: mesh wifi.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I studied in Mexico for a while and it is quite common for many people , especially kids , to go to the neighborhood Internet cafe and pay a small fee to use their computers.There are places where there is no neighborhood , let alone an internet cafe .
This is why the XO has mesh Wifi.1 .
) These are poor countries and the devices may be lost/stolen/sold to pay for essentials of lifeThere would n't be any market if everybody had an OLPC and it would be only good for learning.2 .
) Not likely to have Internet access at home , may not even have reliable electricitySee above : mesh wifi .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I studied in Mexico for a while and it is quite common for many people, especially kids, to go to the neighborhood Internet cafe and pay a small fee to use their computers.There are places where there is no neighborhood, let alone an internet cafe.
This is why the XO has mesh Wifi.1.
) These are poor countries and the devices may be lost/stolen/sold to pay for essentials of lifeThere wouldn't be any market if everybody had an OLPC and it would be only good for learning.2.
) Not likely to have Internet access at home, may not even have reliable electricitySee above: mesh wifi.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30554884</id>
	<title>Scam</title>
	<author>Osmosis\_Garett</author>
	<datestamp>1261822740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its absolute garbage that a company cant produce a useful 75 dollar laptop.  I may not be completely enlightened as to all of the technical hurdles, I'm sure that they can put a commodore 64 into something the side of a fingernail.  Add on a flat pressure keyboard, a crappy LCD display with no backlight, and a 10 dollar 8GB SDcard for the slim, custom operating system and apps, and you start getting pretty close.  It sounds like this company has blown a tonne of cash on trying to find a new iPod that even though its targetted at kids in suffering nations, everyone will want one because its 'such impressive technology'.  FFS, a modified nintendo DS is nearly achieving all of the design goals of this project.<br> <br>tl;dr : this made some people rich.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its absolute garbage that a company cant produce a useful 75 dollar laptop .
I may not be completely enlightened as to all of the technical hurdles , I 'm sure that they can put a commodore 64 into something the side of a fingernail .
Add on a flat pressure keyboard , a crappy LCD display with no backlight , and a 10 dollar 8GB SDcard for the slim , custom operating system and apps , and you start getting pretty close .
It sounds like this company has blown a tonne of cash on trying to find a new iPod that even though its targetted at kids in suffering nations , everyone will want one because its 'such impressive technology' .
FFS , a modified nintendo DS is nearly achieving all of the design goals of this project .
tl ; dr : this made some people rich .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its absolute garbage that a company cant produce a useful 75 dollar laptop.
I may not be completely enlightened as to all of the technical hurdles, I'm sure that they can put a commodore 64 into something the side of a fingernail.
Add on a flat pressure keyboard, a crappy LCD display with no backlight, and a 10 dollar 8GB SDcard for the slim, custom operating system and apps, and you start getting pretty close.
It sounds like this company has blown a tonne of cash on trying to find a new iPod that even though its targetted at kids in suffering nations, everyone will want one because its 'such impressive technology'.
FFS, a modified nintendo DS is nearly achieving all of the design goals of this project.
tl;dr : this made some people rich.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30553558</id>
	<title>Irony</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261751100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The irony is, the hardware more-or-less existed when the OLPC was first conceptualized - and it could've been done inexpensively at that time, too. Five years ago, a $100 linux-based "netbook" would've been entirely feasable.</p><p>No, it wouldn't have had color or an x86 processor. And yes, it would've been a crappy monochrome LCD. But it'd have gotten great battery life, been able to do audio and the basic tasks outlined for the project, and (importantly) been able to be sold for under $100.</p><p>It was pretty obvious that Intel was making buku bucks off the advertising associated with the original platform. The OLPC guys got taken for a ride by associating with Intel on that one.</p><p>This time around, with enough volume there's no reason $100 shouldn't be achievable for a consumer price, and a lot less than that for production.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The irony is , the hardware more-or-less existed when the OLPC was first conceptualized - and it could 've been done inexpensively at that time , too .
Five years ago , a $ 100 linux-based " netbook " would 've been entirely feasable.No , it would n't have had color or an x86 processor .
And yes , it would 've been a crappy monochrome LCD .
But it 'd have gotten great battery life , been able to do audio and the basic tasks outlined for the project , and ( importantly ) been able to be sold for under $ 100.It was pretty obvious that Intel was making buku bucks off the advertising associated with the original platform .
The OLPC guys got taken for a ride by associating with Intel on that one.This time around , with enough volume there 's no reason $ 100 should n't be achievable for a consumer price , and a lot less than that for production .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The irony is, the hardware more-or-less existed when the OLPC was first conceptualized - and it could've been done inexpensively at that time, too.
Five years ago, a $100 linux-based "netbook" would've been entirely feasable.No, it wouldn't have had color or an x86 processor.
And yes, it would've been a crappy monochrome LCD.
But it'd have gotten great battery life, been able to do audio and the basic tasks outlined for the project, and (importantly) been able to be sold for under $100.It was pretty obvious that Intel was making buku bucks off the advertising associated with the original platform.
The OLPC guys got taken for a ride by associating with Intel on that one.This time around, with enough volume there's no reason $100 shouldn't be achievable for a consumer price, and a lot less than that for production.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30553548</id>
	<title>Re:Why laptops?</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1261750740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately, charities need marketing and PR just like everyone else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , charities need marketing and PR just like everyone else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, charities need marketing and PR just like everyone else.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30553470</id>
	<title>Re:Why laptops?</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1261749420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It could work. If someone with vision produced a competent educational suite, designed to help these kids actually learn and succeed in life, it could make a huge difference. There is no reason software couldn't be written to take kids all the way through high school (and give them tools they need to expand their own knowledge base afterwards).  To pass the high school level all you really need is basic algebra and reasonable reading skills.  After that, they could fill in the gaps with interesting topics like <a href="http://gizmodo.com/5370752/the-boy-who-harnessed-the-wind-persistence-jury+rigging-and-ingenuity-against-all-odds" title="gizmodo.com">basic mechanical projects</a> [gizmodo.com] or fashion tutorials (anyone kid should be capable of matching the colors of their clothes even if they are poor) or music lessons or programming or any number of interesting things.  If they are in really poor areas, they could introduce things like <a href="http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/U4900T/U4900T0M.HTM" title="fao.org">rabbit raising</a> [fao.org] that will make a difference in their lives immediately.  The kids don't have to do all of them, they can choose from a few.  If someone with vision and drive were doing it, then it could be great.<br> <br>
Nicholas Negroponte, the head of OLPC, has shown that he is not that man.  He has floated around from OS to OS, failed to deliver what was needed, failed to show he even understands what is needed, failed to develop any kind of reasonable software to do anything (sugar is an ok start, but......it's still just a start).  I wish he were more competent because it could be a great project. What a shame.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It could work .
If someone with vision produced a competent educational suite , designed to help these kids actually learn and succeed in life , it could make a huge difference .
There is no reason software could n't be written to take kids all the way through high school ( and give them tools they need to expand their own knowledge base afterwards ) .
To pass the high school level all you really need is basic algebra and reasonable reading skills .
After that , they could fill in the gaps with interesting topics like basic mechanical projects [ gizmodo.com ] or fashion tutorials ( anyone kid should be capable of matching the colors of their clothes even if they are poor ) or music lessons or programming or any number of interesting things .
If they are in really poor areas , they could introduce things like rabbit raising [ fao.org ] that will make a difference in their lives immediately .
The kids do n't have to do all of them , they can choose from a few .
If someone with vision and drive were doing it , then it could be great .
Nicholas Negroponte , the head of OLPC , has shown that he is not that man .
He has floated around from OS to OS , failed to deliver what was needed , failed to show he even understands what is needed , failed to develop any kind of reasonable software to do anything ( sugar is an ok start , but......it 's still just a start ) .
I wish he were more competent because it could be a great project .
What a shame .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It could work.
If someone with vision produced a competent educational suite, designed to help these kids actually learn and succeed in life, it could make a huge difference.
There is no reason software couldn't be written to take kids all the way through high school (and give them tools they need to expand their own knowledge base afterwards).
To pass the high school level all you really need is basic algebra and reasonable reading skills.
After that, they could fill in the gaps with interesting topics like basic mechanical projects [gizmodo.com] or fashion tutorials (anyone kid should be capable of matching the colors of their clothes even if they are poor) or music lessons or programming or any number of interesting things.
If they are in really poor areas, they could introduce things like rabbit raising [fao.org] that will make a difference in their lives immediately.
The kids don't have to do all of them, they can choose from a few.
If someone with vision and drive were doing it, then it could be great.
Nicholas Negroponte, the head of OLPC, has shown that he is not that man.
He has floated around from OS to OS, failed to deliver what was needed, failed to show he even understands what is needed, failed to develop any kind of reasonable software to do anything (sugar is an ok start, but......it's still just a start).
I wish he were more competent because it could be a great project.
What a shame.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30553252</id>
	<title>Re:Needed: DIY education software</title>
	<author>palegray.net</author>
	<datestamp>1261745880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If educating children without teachers or other instructional figures there to guide them were easy (or even possible), we'd already be doing it. That said, there is a ton of educational software available in distributions like <a href="http://edubuntu.org/" title="edubuntu.org">Edubuntu</a> [edubuntu.org] that can go a long way toward that goal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If educating children without teachers or other instructional figures there to guide them were easy ( or even possible ) , we 'd already be doing it .
That said , there is a ton of educational software available in distributions like Edubuntu [ edubuntu.org ] that can go a long way toward that goal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If educating children without teachers or other instructional figures there to guide them were easy (or even possible), we'd already be doing it.
That said, there is a ton of educational software available in distributions like Edubuntu [edubuntu.org] that can go a long way toward that goal.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30555164</id>
	<title>Re:Why laptops?</title>
	<author>fm6</author>
	<datestamp>1261829760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I studied in Mexico for a while and it is quite common for many people, especially kids, to go to the neighborhood Internet cafe and pay a small fee to use their computers.</p></div><p>Where in Mexico? In a fairly big urban center I imagine. Not enough customers to keep such a business in business otherwise. Go out far enough into the countryside, and you'll find villages without even electricity.</p><p>Just because you've spent a while in a country, don't assume that you know how all the people in that country live. It's like somebody visiting NYC and concluding that all Americans ride subways.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I studied in Mexico for a while and it is quite common for many people , especially kids , to go to the neighborhood Internet cafe and pay a small fee to use their computers.Where in Mexico ?
In a fairly big urban center I imagine .
Not enough customers to keep such a business in business otherwise .
Go out far enough into the countryside , and you 'll find villages without even electricity.Just because you 've spent a while in a country , do n't assume that you know how all the people in that country live .
It 's like somebody visiting NYC and concluding that all Americans ride subways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I studied in Mexico for a while and it is quite common for many people, especially kids, to go to the neighborhood Internet cafe and pay a small fee to use their computers.Where in Mexico?
In a fairly big urban center I imagine.
Not enough customers to keep such a business in business otherwise.
Go out far enough into the countryside, and you'll find villages without even electricity.Just because you've spent a while in a country, don't assume that you know how all the people in that country live.
It's like somebody visiting NYC and concluding that all Americans ride subways.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30553238</id>
	<title>Why laptops?</title>
	<author>acidradio</author>
	<datestamp>1261745700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is nice that they want to make laptops for these kids but I think they are overdoing it. It seems like the proponents are more enthralled with the sizzle rather than the steak. Why can't we just put in reasonable computer labs with Internet connections?</p><p>I studied in Mexico for a while and it is quite common for many people, especially kids, to go to the neighborhood Internet cafe and pay a small fee to use their computers. There were always lots of kids there and they didn't mind that it was a "community" computer. While it would be nice to give everyone laptops, the whole idea of providing computing to masses of schoolchildren in the developing world needs to at least start with computer labs in the schools.</p><p>Fundamentally I see problems with giving kids in the developing world laptops:<br>1.) These are poor countries and the devices may be lost/stolen/sold to pay for essentials of life<br>2.) Not likely to have Internet access at home, may not even have reliable electricity<br>3.) Access to teachers in school (and tech support...).</p><p>I think they just wanted to make glitz and glamor out of this. The idea of a computer lab is not very sexy when compared to giving kids expensive pieces of hardware which will magically transform their lives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is nice that they want to make laptops for these kids but I think they are overdoing it .
It seems like the proponents are more enthralled with the sizzle rather than the steak .
Why ca n't we just put in reasonable computer labs with Internet connections ? I studied in Mexico for a while and it is quite common for many people , especially kids , to go to the neighborhood Internet cafe and pay a small fee to use their computers .
There were always lots of kids there and they did n't mind that it was a " community " computer .
While it would be nice to give everyone laptops , the whole idea of providing computing to masses of schoolchildren in the developing world needs to at least start with computer labs in the schools.Fundamentally I see problems with giving kids in the developing world laptops : 1 .
) These are poor countries and the devices may be lost/stolen/sold to pay for essentials of life2 .
) Not likely to have Internet access at home , may not even have reliable electricity3 .
) Access to teachers in school ( and tech support... ) .I think they just wanted to make glitz and glamor out of this .
The idea of a computer lab is not very sexy when compared to giving kids expensive pieces of hardware which will magically transform their lives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is nice that they want to make laptops for these kids but I think they are overdoing it.
It seems like the proponents are more enthralled with the sizzle rather than the steak.
Why can't we just put in reasonable computer labs with Internet connections?I studied in Mexico for a while and it is quite common for many people, especially kids, to go to the neighborhood Internet cafe and pay a small fee to use their computers.
There were always lots of kids there and they didn't mind that it was a "community" computer.
While it would be nice to give everyone laptops, the whole idea of providing computing to masses of schoolchildren in the developing world needs to at least start with computer labs in the schools.Fundamentally I see problems with giving kids in the developing world laptops:1.
) These are poor countries and the devices may be lost/stolen/sold to pay for essentials of life2.
) Not likely to have Internet access at home, may not even have reliable electricity3.
) Access to teachers in school (and tech support...).I think they just wanted to make glitz and glamor out of this.
The idea of a computer lab is not very sexy when compared to giving kids expensive pieces of hardware which will magically transform their lives.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30553406</id>
	<title>You know better...</title>
	<author>lazycam</author>
	<datestamp>1261748400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No so long ago a few guys had a dream that computers should be in everyone's home, not just research centers and businesses. Now, most wired homes have multiple desktops and laptops. Dreams of a better hardware or software platform drive us to develop more efficient, cheaper systems. OLPC's founders and contributes are ambitious, and there is nothing wrong with that. While the perfect $75 platform may not be available next year, within 5 years its an obtainable goal. Remember a $200 machine is closer to a $75 dollar computer that previous "affordable machines" of late (excluding the recent popularity of netbooks).</htmltext>
<tokenext>No so long ago a few guys had a dream that computers should be in everyone 's home , not just research centers and businesses .
Now , most wired homes have multiple desktops and laptops .
Dreams of a better hardware or software platform drive us to develop more efficient , cheaper systems .
OLPC 's founders and contributes are ambitious , and there is nothing wrong with that .
While the perfect $ 75 platform may not be available next year , within 5 years its an obtainable goal .
Remember a $ 200 machine is closer to a $ 75 dollar computer that previous " affordable machines " of late ( excluding the recent popularity of netbooks ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No so long ago a few guys had a dream that computers should be in everyone's home, not just research centers and businesses.
Now, most wired homes have multiple desktops and laptops.
Dreams of a better hardware or software platform drive us to develop more efficient, cheaper systems.
OLPC's founders and contributes are ambitious, and there is nothing wrong with that.
While the perfect $75 platform may not be available next year, within 5 years its an obtainable goal.
Remember a $200 machine is closer to a $75 dollar computer that previous "affordable machines" of late (excluding the recent popularity of netbooks).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30555430</id>
	<title>Re:typical techie outcome</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1261838280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"This is what happens when you have techies trying to" <i>produce an education system.</i>.  Let's not lose sight of the goal.  People implementing business plans fail pretty miserably at educating third world children too.  They often fail at educating first world students, for that matter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" This is what happens when you have techies trying to " produce an education system.. Let 's not lose sight of the goal .
People implementing business plans fail pretty miserably at educating third world children too .
They often fail at educating first world students , for that matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"This is what happens when you have techies trying to" produce an education system..  Let's not lose sight of the goal.
People implementing business plans fail pretty miserably at educating third world children too.
They often fail at educating first world students, for that matter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30553344</id>
	<title>Re:Needed: DIY education software</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261747560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>It already has been proven.  Three groups of kids.  First group traditional education.  Second is guided but loose (like a lot of decent homeschoolers - not all, mind you) and Third was kids who just had someone to ask questions of and list topics/projects.  Guess which group scored better at the end of the testing?  Yep... group three.  With little more than the Google equivalent of a "teacher".  You ever see how quickly school can suck the imagination, creativity and desire to learn out of a kid?  <br> <br>And before you ask... "Values for a New Millenium"b Dr. Robert Humphrey. Info is in the last part of the book. <br> <br>Now, when he proved several techniques that took Inner City kids from drug addicts to straight A students... who do you think shut him down?  Kids? No. Parents? No. School Board? You betcha. (And that isn't knocking all School Board people...) Read the book.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It already has been proven .
Three groups of kids .
First group traditional education .
Second is guided but loose ( like a lot of decent homeschoolers - not all , mind you ) and Third was kids who just had someone to ask questions of and list topics/projects .
Guess which group scored better at the end of the testing ?
Yep... group three .
With little more than the Google equivalent of a " teacher " .
You ever see how quickly school can suck the imagination , creativity and desire to learn out of a kid ?
And before you ask... " Values for a New Millenium " b Dr. Robert Humphrey .
Info is in the last part of the book .
Now , when he proved several techniques that took Inner City kids from drug addicts to straight A students... who do you think shut him down ?
Kids ? No .
Parents ? No .
School Board ?
You betcha .
( And that is n't knocking all School Board people... ) Read the book .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It already has been proven.
Three groups of kids.
First group traditional education.
Second is guided but loose (like a lot of decent homeschoolers - not all, mind you) and Third was kids who just had someone to ask questions of and list topics/projects.
Guess which group scored better at the end of the testing?
Yep... group three.
With little more than the Google equivalent of a "teacher".
You ever see how quickly school can suck the imagination, creativity and desire to learn out of a kid?
And before you ask... "Values for a New Millenium"b Dr. Robert Humphrey.
Info is in the last part of the book.
Now, when he proved several techniques that took Inner City kids from drug addicts to straight A students... who do you think shut him down?
Kids? No.
Parents? No.
School Board?
You betcha.
(And that isn't knocking all School Board people...) Read the book.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30553410</id>
	<title>ZOMG</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261748520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Holy crap, Deja Vu!
<p>
Holy crap, Deja Vu!
P
I seem to remember something similar like "Oh they'll never be able to make 1,000,000 laptops at that pricepoint and distribute them effectively."

OLPC: Proving you wrong, again and again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Holy crap , Deja Vu !
Holy crap , Deja Vu !
P I seem to remember something similar like " Oh they 'll never be able to make 1,000,000 laptops at that pricepoint and distribute them effectively .
" OLPC : Proving you wrong , again and again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Holy crap, Deja Vu!
Holy crap, Deja Vu!
P
I seem to remember something similar like "Oh they'll never be able to make 1,000,000 laptops at that pricepoint and distribute them effectively.
"

OLPC: Proving you wrong, again and again.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30554096</id>
	<title>mod 3ow#n</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261761780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">troubles of those m4ggot, vomit, shit long term survival Niggers everywhere</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>troubles of those m4ggot , vomit , shit long term survival Niggers everywhere [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>troubles of those m4ggot, vomit, shit long term survival Niggers everywhere [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30556380</id>
	<title>'buku' bucks?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261848660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try 'beaucoup'</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try 'beaucoup'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try 'beaucoup'</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30553558</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30556808</id>
	<title>Re:Irony</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261852440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see you have a non-technical background. That's fine, but you're missing a few key elements:</p><p>First: The OLPC needed to be rugged enough to survive constant abuse.<br>Second: The OLPC needed to be able to function in areas with restricted and very dirty power.<br>Third: The OLPC needed to be accessible to people who were uneducated to the point of illiteracy.</p><p>To date there have been ZERO netbooks released into the consumer market which have met a single one of these requirements.</p><p>Beyond that, when the OLPC project started the $99 netbook you speak of as "feasible" would have been anything but. It may have been possible to purchase hardware components at that price, but that would not have included assembly costs nor would it have met the OLPC's requirements.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see you have a non-technical background .
That 's fine , but you 're missing a few key elements : First : The OLPC needed to be rugged enough to survive constant abuse.Second : The OLPC needed to be able to function in areas with restricted and very dirty power.Third : The OLPC needed to be accessible to people who were uneducated to the point of illiteracy.To date there have been ZERO netbooks released into the consumer market which have met a single one of these requirements.Beyond that , when the OLPC project started the $ 99 netbook you speak of as " feasible " would have been anything but .
It may have been possible to purchase hardware components at that price , but that would not have included assembly costs nor would it have met the OLPC 's requirements .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see you have a non-technical background.
That's fine, but you're missing a few key elements:First: The OLPC needed to be rugged enough to survive constant abuse.Second: The OLPC needed to be able to function in areas with restricted and very dirty power.Third: The OLPC needed to be accessible to people who were uneducated to the point of illiteracy.To date there have been ZERO netbooks released into the consumer market which have met a single one of these requirements.Beyond that, when the OLPC project started the $99 netbook you speak of as "feasible" would have been anything but.
It may have been possible to purchase hardware components at that price, but that would not have included assembly costs nor would it have met the OLPC's requirements.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30555222</id>
	<title>Re:Needed: DIY education software</title>
	<author>arpad1</author>
	<datestamp>1261831980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh, the OLPC was always about Nicolas Negroponte.
<br> <br>
All that eye wash about education was just a way to attract the necessary talent at below market rates as well as to get foundation funding. Once it became clear that Dr. Negroponte wasn't going to ride the OLPC to fame, if not fortune, he ditched the project having gotten a lot of high-level international press coverage and the red-carpet treatment by a bunch of presidents, prime ministers and the like.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , the OLPC was always about Nicolas Negroponte .
All that eye wash about education was just a way to attract the necessary talent at below market rates as well as to get foundation funding .
Once it became clear that Dr. Negroponte was n't going to ride the OLPC to fame , if not fortune , he ditched the project having gotten a lot of high-level international press coverage and the red-carpet treatment by a bunch of presidents , prime ministers and the like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, the OLPC was always about Nicolas Negroponte.
All that eye wash about education was just a way to attract the necessary talent at below market rates as well as to get foundation funding.
Once it became clear that Dr. Negroponte wasn't going to ride the OLPC to fame, if not fortune, he ditched the project having gotten a lot of high-level international press coverage and the red-carpet treatment by a bunch of presidents, prime ministers and the like.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30553216</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30553732</id>
	<title>Nonsense</title>
	<author>tehdaemon</author>
	<datestamp>1261753860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <a href="http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/sugata\_mitra\_shows\_how\_kids\_teach\_themselves.html" title="ted.com">Kids can, and will teach themselves given the chance.</a> [ted.com] </p><p>
<a href="http://www.hole-in-the-wall.com/MIE.html" title="hole-in-the-wall.com">another link</a> [hole-in-the-wall.com] </p><p>
(you may want to skip about 5 minutes into the video. The comments are good too.)</p><p>T</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kids can , and will teach themselves given the chance .
[ ted.com ] another link [ hole-in-the-wall.com ] ( you may want to skip about 5 minutes into the video .
The comments are good too .
) T</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Kids can, and will teach themselves given the chance.
[ted.com] 
another link [hole-in-the-wall.com] 
(you may want to skip about 5 minutes into the video.
The comments are good too.
)T</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30558390</id>
	<title>OPLC:  Solution in search of a problem</title>
	<author>winwar</author>
	<datestamp>1261822380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The OLPC needs to be coupled with software that gives children a basic education with little or no teacher assistance."</p><p>Why?  And if you could, is it workable?</p><p>Even in Afghanistan there are plenty of sufficiently educated people capable of teaching.  Or learning to teach.  Or assisting in the process.  You don't need a low student to teacher ratio for effective teaching.  If that were the case then US primary and secondary schools would be awesome and US colleges and other countries primary and secondary schools would suck.</p><p>If you don't have educated adults who support the education of children, how do you expect these computers to get into the hands of the children in the first place?  Put simply, education is NOT A TECHNICAL PROBLEM.  It is a social/political/economic one.</p><p>The OLPC is a waste of time and money.  If you insist on technology, we have these things called ereaders made by many different companies.  They can hold many books (texts and works of literature), have a long battery life, are inexpensive and are a known quantity.  Humans managed to create our present state of technology with a centuries old learning system.  We shouldn't be so arrogant to assume that we can do better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The OLPC needs to be coupled with software that gives children a basic education with little or no teacher assistance. " Why ?
And if you could , is it workable ? Even in Afghanistan there are plenty of sufficiently educated people capable of teaching .
Or learning to teach .
Or assisting in the process .
You do n't need a low student to teacher ratio for effective teaching .
If that were the case then US primary and secondary schools would be awesome and US colleges and other countries primary and secondary schools would suck.If you do n't have educated adults who support the education of children , how do you expect these computers to get into the hands of the children in the first place ?
Put simply , education is NOT A TECHNICAL PROBLEM .
It is a social/political/economic one.The OLPC is a waste of time and money .
If you insist on technology , we have these things called ereaders made by many different companies .
They can hold many books ( texts and works of literature ) , have a long battery life , are inexpensive and are a known quantity .
Humans managed to create our present state of technology with a centuries old learning system .
We should n't be so arrogant to assume that we can do better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The OLPC needs to be coupled with software that gives children a basic education with little or no teacher assistance."Why?
And if you could, is it workable?Even in Afghanistan there are plenty of sufficiently educated people capable of teaching.
Or learning to teach.
Or assisting in the process.
You don't need a low student to teacher ratio for effective teaching.
If that were the case then US primary and secondary schools would be awesome and US colleges and other countries primary and secondary schools would suck.If you don't have educated adults who support the education of children, how do you expect these computers to get into the hands of the children in the first place?
Put simply, education is NOT A TECHNICAL PROBLEM.
It is a social/political/economic one.The OLPC is a waste of time and money.
If you insist on technology, we have these things called ereaders made by many different companies.
They can hold many books (texts and works of literature), have a long battery life, are inexpensive and are a known quantity.
Humans managed to create our present state of technology with a centuries old learning system.
We shouldn't be so arrogant to assume that we can do better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30554906</id>
	<title>Re:Not just being grumpy</title>
	<author>Robotech\_Master</author>
	<datestamp>1261823160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's exactly right. The only reason the OLPC group set out to design the XO in the first place was that there were no computers in that size and price range at the time. They simply did not exist.</p><p>Well, now they exist. <a href="http://www.teleread.org/2009/12/24/cherrypals-max-seybold-talks-africa/" title="teleread.org">Cherrypal is selling them.</a> [teleread.org] They're not going to have the same kind of standardized architecture that the XO does, but nonetheless they're Real Live Computers that can run real operating systems (and by "real operating systems" I of course mean Linux).</p><p>OLPC ought to be putting educational software on those rather than blowing more money chasing this touchscreen pipe dream.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's exactly right .
The only reason the OLPC group set out to design the XO in the first place was that there were no computers in that size and price range at the time .
They simply did not exist.Well , now they exist .
Cherrypal is selling them .
[ teleread.org ] They 're not going to have the same kind of standardized architecture that the XO does , but nonetheless they 're Real Live Computers that can run real operating systems ( and by " real operating systems " I of course mean Linux ) .OLPC ought to be putting educational software on those rather than blowing more money chasing this touchscreen pipe dream .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's exactly right.
The only reason the OLPC group set out to design the XO in the first place was that there were no computers in that size and price range at the time.
They simply did not exist.Well, now they exist.
Cherrypal is selling them.
[teleread.org] They're not going to have the same kind of standardized architecture that the XO does, but nonetheless they're Real Live Computers that can run real operating systems (and by "real operating systems" I of course mean Linux).OLPC ought to be putting educational software on those rather than blowing more money chasing this touchscreen pipe dream.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30553356</id>
	<title>Low price attempts are good PR</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261747680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think they are either trying to be overly ambitious and unrealistic with themselves, or knowingly going to the press with absurdly low pricing to get headlines and discussion (like this) happening- but when/if it comes to light the price will be 2-3x of this. OLPC has got some lofty goals, but I don't know if they fully saw netbooks coming (competition) and have obviously before have came out with announcements of unrealistic pricing ($100 laptop) and when they released they were 2x that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think they are either trying to be overly ambitious and unrealistic with themselves , or knowingly going to the press with absurdly low pricing to get headlines and discussion ( like this ) happening- but when/if it comes to light the price will be 2-3x of this .
OLPC has got some lofty goals , but I do n't know if they fully saw netbooks coming ( competition ) and have obviously before have came out with announcements of unrealistic pricing ( $ 100 laptop ) and when they released they were 2x that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think they are either trying to be overly ambitious and unrealistic with themselves, or knowingly going to the press with absurdly low pricing to get headlines and discussion (like this) happening- but when/if it comes to light the price will be 2-3x of this.
OLPC has got some lofty goals, but I don't know if they fully saw netbooks coming (competition) and have obviously before have came out with announcements of unrealistic pricing ($100 laptop) and when they released they were 2x that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30553490</id>
	<title>ole.org</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261749720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
This is why the Open Learning Exchange was founded by Dr. Richard Rowe. He had been President of the OLPC project and broke away primarily to concentrate on the supplying educational software to the kids. See <a href="http://ole.org/about/faq/" title="ole.org" rel="nofollow">http://ole.org/about/faq/</a> [ole.org]
</p><p>
You need courseware before you need laptops. Indeed, OLE's initial plan doesn't require laptops for the kids.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why the Open Learning Exchange was founded by Dr. Richard Rowe .
He had been President of the OLPC project and broke away primarily to concentrate on the supplying educational software to the kids .
See http : //ole.org/about/faq/ [ ole.org ] You need courseware before you need laptops .
Indeed , OLE 's initial plan does n't require laptops for the kids .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
This is why the Open Learning Exchange was founded by Dr. Richard Rowe.
He had been President of the OLPC project and broke away primarily to concentrate on the supplying educational software to the kids.
See http://ole.org/about/faq/ [ole.org]

You need courseware before you need laptops.
Indeed, OLE's initial plan doesn't require laptops for the kids.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30553576</id>
	<title>Re:ZOMG</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1261751340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, I don't remember them actually meeting their price poitn the first time. I do remember them selling them for over twice what they'd initially said they'd cost, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , I do n't remember them actually meeting their price poitn the first time .
I do remember them selling them for over twice what they 'd initially said they 'd cost , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, I don't remember them actually meeting their price poitn the first time.
I do remember them selling them for over twice what they'd initially said they'd cost, though.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30553530</id>
	<title>Re:Low price attempts are good PR</title>
	<author>McFortner</author>
	<datestamp>1261750500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Cherrypal.com manages it with their Cherrypal Africa at just $99.00.  OLPC just keeps adding and adding onto the design and that keeps raising the price.

Maybe they should just buy the laptops from Cherrypal and install their OS onto it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cherrypal.com manages it with their Cherrypal Africa at just $ 99.00 .
OLPC just keeps adding and adding onto the design and that keeps raising the price .
Maybe they should just buy the laptops from Cherrypal and install their OS onto it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cherrypal.com manages it with their Cherrypal Africa at just $99.00.
OLPC just keeps adding and adding onto the design and that keeps raising the price.
Maybe they should just buy the laptops from Cherrypal and install their OS onto it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30553808</id>
	<title>Re:Why laptops?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261755180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>No, you're mostly wrong, point by point:<br><br>1. Just because something may go wrong is no reason not to do something.<br><br>2. That's why they have wireless grid technology and wind up power chargers.&nbsp; Or do you not know anything about this project?<br><br>3. Having a computer in the home where you can mess with it many hours per day is the best way to learn the most.&nbsp; If you never had this opportunity, you wouldn't understand.<br><br>I think you may have a point about the sizzle and steak from a pure price point perspective, however.&nbsp; And say that five times fast<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , you 're mostly wrong , point by point : 1 .
Just because something may go wrong is no reason not to do something.2 .
That 's why they have wireless grid technology and wind up power chargers.   Or do you not know anything about this project ? 3 .
Having a computer in the home where you can mess with it many hours per day is the best way to learn the most.   If you never had this opportunity , you would n't understand.I think you may have a point about the sizzle and steak from a pure price point perspective , however.   And say that five times fast ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, you're mostly wrong, point by point:1.
Just because something may go wrong is no reason not to do something.2.
That's why they have wireless grid technology and wind up power chargers.  Or do you not know anything about this project?3.
Having a computer in the home where you can mess with it many hours per day is the best way to learn the most.  If you never had this opportunity, you wouldn't understand.I think you may have a point about the sizzle and steak from a pure price point perspective, however.  And say that five times fast ;-)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30553930</id>
	<title>Re:typical techie outcome</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261757700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, it's the typical outcome of a project whose goals are political and philosophical, being executed by someone with little or no real world experience.  The outcome is even more certain when you consider the real goal (outflanking wintel in the developing world and spreading the Holy Gospel of F/OSS) had to be carried out covertly under the guise of the 'cover story' - educating the world's poor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , it 's the typical outcome of a project whose goals are political and philosophical , being executed by someone with little or no real world experience .
The outcome is even more certain when you consider the real goal ( outflanking wintel in the developing world and spreading the Holy Gospel of F/OSS ) had to be carried out covertly under the guise of the 'cover story ' - educating the world 's poor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, it's the typical outcome of a project whose goals are political and philosophical, being executed by someone with little or no real world experience.
The outcome is even more certain when you consider the real goal (outflanking wintel in the developing world and spreading the Holy Gospel of F/OSS) had to be carried out covertly under the guise of the 'cover story' - educating the world's poor.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30553666</id>
	<title>Re:Needed: DIY education software</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1261752720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They'd just get snuffed for having OLPCs. Taliban routinely bomb schools, education being the enemy of religion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 'd just get snuffed for having OLPCs .
Taliban routinely bomb schools , education being the enemy of religion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They'd just get snuffed for having OLPCs.
Taliban routinely bomb schools, education being the enemy of religion.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30554304</id>
	<title>Not just being grumpy</title>
	<author>uvajed\_ekil</author>
	<datestamp>1261765740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>He's right. The OLPC project appears to have lost its focus on improving education for the most disadvantaged children, and is instead attempting to innovate in other ways. This falls into the same category as many other tech/geekdom mistakes: making the gadgets and gizmos the focus rather than what they can do for people. I love building and upgrading computers, trying out new operating systems, and just generally tinkering with all sorts of things, so that is a legitimate hobby for me. But crap like M$ software and things like Macs are popular because people can just get their real work done with them. The most awesome, multi-touch, quad core, 16GB DDR4 tablet computer won't help an author like my mom finish a book faster, or do anything to help a kid learn if the kid can't get one. Make it work, and make it available NOW, and you've got a winner.</htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's right .
The OLPC project appears to have lost its focus on improving education for the most disadvantaged children , and is instead attempting to innovate in other ways .
This falls into the same category as many other tech/geekdom mistakes : making the gadgets and gizmos the focus rather than what they can do for people .
I love building and upgrading computers , trying out new operating systems , and just generally tinkering with all sorts of things , so that is a legitimate hobby for me .
But crap like M $ software and things like Macs are popular because people can just get their real work done with them .
The most awesome , multi-touch , quad core , 16GB DDR4 tablet computer wo n't help an author like my mom finish a book faster , or do anything to help a kid learn if the kid ca n't get one .
Make it work , and make it available NOW , and you 've got a winner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's right.
The OLPC project appears to have lost its focus on improving education for the most disadvantaged children, and is instead attempting to innovate in other ways.
This falls into the same category as many other tech/geekdom mistakes: making the gadgets and gizmos the focus rather than what they can do for people.
I love building and upgrading computers, trying out new operating systems, and just generally tinkering with all sorts of things, so that is a legitimate hobby for me.
But crap like M$ software and things like Macs are popular because people can just get their real work done with them.
The most awesome, multi-touch, quad core, 16GB DDR4 tablet computer won't help an author like my mom finish a book faster, or do anything to help a kid learn if the kid can't get one.
Make it work, and make it available NOW, and you've got a winner.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Books and education</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261747380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see what the poster thinks has changed.</p><p>Many of us have pointed out from the beginning that having a computer is not equivalent to education... let alone solving the problems of food and shelter.</p><p>OLPC is a Westerner's arrogant fantasy and has been from the beginning.  Not at all saying we should not try and level the playing field, but the targets of this program are not suffering in their education because they don't have a Laptop.  They are a long way from that.</p><p>Boondoggle?  No, just misguided and arrogant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see what the poster thinks has changed.Many of us have pointed out from the beginning that having a computer is not equivalent to education... let alone solving the problems of food and shelter.OLPC is a Westerner 's arrogant fantasy and has been from the beginning .
Not at all saying we should not try and level the playing field , but the targets of this program are not suffering in their education because they do n't have a Laptop .
They are a long way from that.Boondoggle ?
No , just misguided and arrogant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see what the poster thinks has changed.Many of us have pointed out from the beginning that having a computer is not equivalent to education... let alone solving the problems of food and shelter.OLPC is a Westerner's arrogant fantasy and has been from the beginning.
Not at all saying we should not try and level the playing field, but the targets of this program are not suffering in their education because they don't have a Laptop.
They are a long way from that.Boondoggle?
No, just misguided and arrogant.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Irony</title>
	<author>LOLLinux</author>
	<datestamp>1261764420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It was pretty obvious that Intel was making buku bucks off the advertising associated with the original platform. The OLPC guys got taken for a ride by associating with Intel on that one.</p></div><p>Yeah, except for that simple fact that they were using AMD Geode chips in the XOs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It was pretty obvious that Intel was making buku bucks off the advertising associated with the original platform .
The OLPC guys got taken for a ride by associating with Intel on that one.Yeah , except for that simple fact that they were using AMD Geode chips in the XOs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was pretty obvious that Intel was making buku bucks off the advertising associated with the original platform.
The OLPC guys got taken for a ride by associating with Intel on that one.Yeah, except for that simple fact that they were using AMD Geode chips in the XOs.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30553260</id>
	<title>Kinda dreamy both ways</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261745940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I always thought the idea of technology item X transforming problem Y as being a particularly dreamy form of dream. But I'm just an old cynic that has heard that line from so many before I stopped waiting. Maybe they could prove me wrong.</p><p>If anything they have to build something. XO-3 sounds kinda nice, if they could deliver. And you'd have a real product in a real market, not some pipedream. And you could always try to turn the pipedream into reality with a XO-3 buy one give type thing.</p><p>In any case the OLPC response by real companies has proven the market for the simpler sub notebook type thingies, so built it and they will come. And the social engineers can get a real product to form some betterment around.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I always thought the idea of technology item X transforming problem Y as being a particularly dreamy form of dream .
But I 'm just an old cynic that has heard that line from so many before I stopped waiting .
Maybe they could prove me wrong.If anything they have to build something .
XO-3 sounds kinda nice , if they could deliver .
And you 'd have a real product in a real market , not some pipedream .
And you could always try to turn the pipedream into reality with a XO-3 buy one give type thing.In any case the OLPC response by real companies has proven the market for the simpler sub notebook type thingies , so built it and they will come .
And the social engineers can get a real product to form some betterment around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always thought the idea of technology item X transforming problem Y as being a particularly dreamy form of dream.
But I'm just an old cynic that has heard that line from so many before I stopped waiting.
Maybe they could prove me wrong.If anything they have to build something.
XO-3 sounds kinda nice, if they could deliver.
And you'd have a real product in a real market, not some pipedream.
And you could always try to turn the pipedream into reality with a XO-3 buy one give type thing.In any case the OLPC response by real companies has proven the market for the simpler sub notebook type thingies, so built it and they will come.
And the social engineers can get a real product to form some betterment around.</sentencetext>
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	<title>One Tablet Per Child</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261828500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One Let-down Per Case</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One Let-down Per Case</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One Let-down Per Case</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30558214</id>
	<title>Re:Needed: DIY education software</title>
	<author>winwar</author>
	<datestamp>1261820580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Now, when he proved several techniques that took Inner City kids from drug addicts to straight A students... who do you think shut him down? Kids? No. Parents? No. School Board? You betcha. (And that isn't knocking all School Board people...) Read the book."</p><p>Sorry, I'm not going to read the book.  If it works so well there should be plenty of peer reviewed articles that you could link to.  This whole thing sounds similar to alt-med conspiracy theories.  A whole lot of woo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Now , when he proved several techniques that took Inner City kids from drug addicts to straight A students... who do you think shut him down ?
Kids ? No .
Parents ? No .
School Board ?
You betcha .
( And that is n't knocking all School Board people... ) Read the book .
" Sorry , I 'm not going to read the book .
If it works so well there should be plenty of peer reviewed articles that you could link to .
This whole thing sounds similar to alt-med conspiracy theories .
A whole lot of woo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Now, when he proved several techniques that took Inner City kids from drug addicts to straight A students... who do you think shut him down?
Kids? No.
Parents? No.
School Board?
You betcha.
(And that isn't knocking all School Board people...) Read the book.
"Sorry, I'm not going to read the book.
If it works so well there should be plenty of peer reviewed articles that you could link to.
This whole thing sounds similar to alt-med conspiracy theories.
A whole lot of woo.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Needed: DIY education software</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261768320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>A lot depends on the environment that children are raised in. In Poland children are encouraged to work hard at school since even with a good education pay rates are poor.<br>It's critical that children make the most of their education.</p><p>When life is that hard, its not hard to get children to study.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot depends on the environment that children are raised in .
In Poland children are encouraged to work hard at school since even with a good education pay rates are poor.It 's critical that children make the most of their education.When life is that hard , its not hard to get children to study .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot depends on the environment that children are raised in.
In Poland children are encouraged to work hard at school since even with a good education pay rates are poor.It's critical that children make the most of their education.When life is that hard, its not hard to get children to study.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Nice, enslave them instead of freeing them at $75.</title>
	<author>sethstorm</author>
	<datestamp>1261757040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only will those developing countries use them, they'll also spend 12+ hours a day making them.  Then some Audi-driving party boss(or his equivalent in the Third World) enslaves the very people that were meant to be freed by this technology.</p><p>At that cost, you've just added a slave labor incentive to the mix.  How about just cut to the chase if all you're going to get is slave labor in a Third World country?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only will those developing countries use them , they 'll also spend 12 + hours a day making them .
Then some Audi-driving party boss ( or his equivalent in the Third World ) enslaves the very people that were meant to be freed by this technology.At that cost , you 've just added a slave labor incentive to the mix .
How about just cut to the chase if all you 're going to get is slave labor in a Third World country ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only will those developing countries use them, they'll also spend 12+ hours a day making them.
Then some Audi-driving party boss(or his equivalent in the Third World) enslaves the very people that were meant to be freed by this technology.At that cost, you've just added a slave labor incentive to the mix.
How about just cut to the chase if all you're going to get is slave labor in a Third World country?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30553390</id>
	<title>typical techie outcome</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261748220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext>This is what happens when you have techies trying to implement a business plan. they fail to understand the key drivers and get lost in the technical considerations. producing a $100 laptop in itself it's actually a meaningful goal, attempting to educate the poor is the goal, thats what they lost sigh of.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is what happens when you have techies trying to implement a business plan .
they fail to understand the key drivers and get lost in the technical considerations .
producing a $ 100 laptop in itself it 's actually a meaningful goal , attempting to educate the poor is the goal , thats what they lost sigh of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is what happens when you have techies trying to implement a business plan.
they fail to understand the key drivers and get lost in the technical considerations.
producing a $100 laptop in itself it's actually a meaningful goal, attempting to educate the poor is the goal, thats what they lost sigh of.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30555228</id>
	<title>Re:Needed: DIY education software</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261832160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That software exists - it's Sugar. And yes, it is being deployed in Afghanistan. And the Palestinian Territories. etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That software exists - it 's Sugar .
And yes , it is being deployed in Afghanistan .
And the Palestinian Territories .
etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That software exists - it's Sugar.
And yes, it is being deployed in Afghanistan.
And the Palestinian Territories.
etc.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30553352</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously...</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1261747620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree, but at least they kickstarted the netbook craze which will help accomplish their goal without their direct participation.</p><p>We don't need them any more and I could care less if they never do anything worthwhile again. Their business model is not my concern,</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , but at least they kickstarted the netbook craze which will help accomplish their goal without their direct participation.We do n't need them any more and I could care less if they never do anything worthwhile again .
Their business model is not my concern,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, but at least they kickstarted the netbook craze which will help accomplish their goal without their direct participation.We don't need them any more and I could care less if they never do anything worthwhile again.
Their business model is not my concern,</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_25_168233.30555148</id>
	<title>Re:Needed: DIY education software</title>
	<author>RyuuzakiTetsuya</author>
	<datestamp>1261829160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>that's great for science and math but what about fields where we're not talking about understanding systems of operation?</p><p>Libertarianism and the 9/11 truth movement is what happens when you let people decide for themselves what the hell is true in the fields of history, civics and the arts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>that 's great for science and math but what about fields where we 're not talking about understanding systems of operation ? Libertarianism and the 9/11 truth movement is what happens when you let people decide for themselves what the hell is true in the fields of history , civics and the arts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that's great for science and math but what about fields where we're not talking about understanding systems of operation?Libertarianism and the 9/11 truth movement is what happens when you let people decide for themselves what the hell is true in the fields of history, civics and the arts.</sentencetext>
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