<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_24_1411249</id>
	<title>IsoHunt Guilty of Inducing Infringement</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1261683180000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>roju writes <i>"The MPAA has won a summary judgment against torrent indexing site isoHunt for inducing copyright infringement. Michael Geist notes that '[t]he judge ruled that the isoHunt case is <a href="http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4643/125/">little different from other US cases</a> such as Napster and Grokster, therefore concluding that there is no need to proceed to a full trial and granting Columbia Pictures request for summary judgment.' Attorney Ben Sheffner, who worked on the case for Fox, <a href="http://copyrightsandcampaigns.blogspot.com/2009/12/court-grants-summary-judgment-for.html">explains some of the implications</a>, noting that 'the most significant ruling in the opinion was the court's holding that the DMCA's safe harbors are simply not available where inducement has been established.' This case could have implications on other indexing sites, and creates a gap in the DMCA safe harbor provisions that could have far-reaching implications on other sites."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>roju writes " The MPAA has won a summary judgment against torrent indexing site isoHunt for inducing copyright infringement .
Michael Geist notes that ' [ t ] he judge ruled that the isoHunt case is little different from other US cases such as Napster and Grokster , therefore concluding that there is no need to proceed to a full trial and granting Columbia Pictures request for summary judgment .
' Attorney Ben Sheffner , who worked on the case for Fox , explains some of the implications , noting that 'the most significant ruling in the opinion was the court 's holding that the DMCA 's safe harbors are simply not available where inducement has been established .
' This case could have implications on other indexing sites , and creates a gap in the DMCA safe harbor provisions that could have far-reaching implications on other sites .
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<sentencetext>roju writes "The MPAA has won a summary judgment against torrent indexing site isoHunt for inducing copyright infringement.
Michael Geist notes that '[t]he judge ruled that the isoHunt case is little different from other US cases such as Napster and Grokster, therefore concluding that there is no need to proceed to a full trial and granting Columbia Pictures request for summary judgment.
' Attorney Ben Sheffner, who worked on the case for Fox, explains some of the implications, noting that 'the most significant ruling in the opinion was the court's holding that the DMCA's safe harbors are simply not available where inducement has been established.
' This case could have implications on other indexing sites, and creates a gap in the DMCA safe harbor provisions that could have far-reaching implications on other sites.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547472</id>
	<title>Re:Is there a way for a US judgement to be enforce</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261654140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I mean ISOHunt is in Canada, can this be used to shutdown ISOHunt? Of course it can.  The long arm of corporate power knows know boundaries.</p><p>Those that would whine and wring their hands about the encroachment of "big government" somehow seem to ignore something that's a lot bigger, and a whole lot meaner.</p><p>I'm curious.  What do those of you who believe in the absolute "wisdom of the marketplace" say about these meta-corporate, extra-national powers that can increasingly exert power over your lives?  Is there some "marketplace force" that can reign them in?  How does a population that disagrees with the behavior of a power that transcends individual corporations exert influence on that power?  How do you boycott "intellectual property" when "intellectual property" comes to mean anything they say it does?</p><p>What do you do now that cartels either have extraordinary influence over governments or even become more powerful than governments?</p><p>You didn't figure that into your little Burkean, Atlas-shrugged, free-market fantasy world, did you?</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean ISOHunt is in Canada , can this be used to shutdown ISOHunt ?
Of course it can .
The long arm of corporate power knows know boundaries.Those that would whine and wring their hands about the encroachment of " big government " somehow seem to ignore something that 's a lot bigger , and a whole lot meaner.I 'm curious .
What do those of you who believe in the absolute " wisdom of the marketplace " say about these meta-corporate , extra-national powers that can increasingly exert power over your lives ?
Is there some " marketplace force " that can reign them in ?
How does a population that disagrees with the behavior of a power that transcends individual corporations exert influence on that power ?
How do you boycott " intellectual property " when " intellectual property " comes to mean anything they say it does ? What do you do now that cartels either have extraordinary influence over governments or even become more powerful than governments ? You did n't figure that into your little Burkean , Atlas-shrugged , free-market fantasy world , did you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean ISOHunt is in Canada, can this be used to shutdown ISOHunt?
Of course it can.
The long arm of corporate power knows know boundaries.Those that would whine and wring their hands about the encroachment of "big government" somehow seem to ignore something that's a lot bigger, and a whole lot meaner.I'm curious.
What do those of you who believe in the absolute "wisdom of the marketplace" say about these meta-corporate, extra-national powers that can increasingly exert power over your lives?
Is there some "marketplace force" that can reign them in?
How does a population that disagrees with the behavior of a power that transcends individual corporations exert influence on that power?
How do you boycott "intellectual property" when "intellectual property" comes to mean anything they say it does?What do you do now that cartels either have extraordinary influence over governments or even become more powerful than governments?You didn't figure that into your little Burkean, Atlas-shrugged, free-market fantasy world, did you?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547418</id>
	<title>Re:Ignore the gyrations of management</title>
	<author>Snaller</author>
	<datestamp>1261653720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its generally working fine, the majority of the people like the way it is. Much like the majority of americans don't care about the torture centers called prisons in the US.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its generally working fine , the majority of the people like the way it is .
Much like the majority of americans do n't care about the torture centers called prisons in the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its generally working fine, the majority of the people like the way it is.
Much like the majority of americans don't care about the torture centers called prisons in the US.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546812</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>shaitand</author>
	<datestamp>1261647900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to U.S. law U.S. courts assume jurisdiction in pretty much all cases they hear. They usually justify it with particulars but that is the bottom line.</p><p>Just ask anyone who is stupid enough to draw a trust document under foreign jurisdiction and gets dragged into a U.S. court.</p><p>Hell, in trust cases where the trust is U.S based the courts will generally ignore U.S. law in favor of screwing over a trust in any instance where it isn't being used by the rich to control their children's lives or to dodge estate taxes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to U.S. law U.S. courts assume jurisdiction in pretty much all cases they hear .
They usually justify it with particulars but that is the bottom line.Just ask anyone who is stupid enough to draw a trust document under foreign jurisdiction and gets dragged into a U.S. court.Hell , in trust cases where the trust is U.S based the courts will generally ignore U.S. law in favor of screwing over a trust in any instance where it is n't being used by the rich to control their children 's lives or to dodge estate taxes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to U.S. law U.S. courts assume jurisdiction in pretty much all cases they hear.
They usually justify it with particulars but that is the bottom line.Just ask anyone who is stupid enough to draw a trust document under foreign jurisdiction and gets dragged into a U.S. court.Hell, in trust cases where the trust is U.S based the courts will generally ignore U.S. law in favor of screwing over a trust in any instance where it isn't being used by the rich to control their children's lives or to dodge estate taxes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30549126</id>
	<title>Re:Most BitTorrent sites submit entries to Google</title>
	<author>Mad Leper</author>
	<datestamp>1261675920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, the "Google is just as bad" story get's run up the flagpole every time a torrent site gets into legal trouble.</p><p>If a company dealing in fake passports by mail is found to be in violation of the law, does the Post office get served with a summons?  Torrent sites exist for the sole purpose of aiding and abetting the violation of copyright.  Google is just a search engine and does not actively catalog, rate and organize torrents for use by pirates.</p><p>Google has a history in cooperating with the legal community in removing infringing or libellous material, torrent sties have a long history of being obstinate and downright childish when requested to deal with the same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , the " Google is just as bad " story get 's run up the flagpole every time a torrent site gets into legal trouble.If a company dealing in fake passports by mail is found to be in violation of the law , does the Post office get served with a summons ?
Torrent sites exist for the sole purpose of aiding and abetting the violation of copyright .
Google is just a search engine and does not actively catalog , rate and organize torrents for use by pirates.Google has a history in cooperating with the legal community in removing infringing or libellous material , torrent sties have a long history of being obstinate and downright childish when requested to deal with the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, the "Google is just as bad" story get's run up the flagpole every time a torrent site gets into legal trouble.If a company dealing in fake passports by mail is found to be in violation of the law, does the Post office get served with a summons?
Torrent sites exist for the sole purpose of aiding and abetting the violation of copyright.
Google is just a search engine and does not actively catalog, rate and organize torrents for use by pirates.Google has a history in cooperating with the legal community in removing infringing or libellous material, torrent sties have a long history of being obstinate and downright childish when requested to deal with the same.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546510</id>
	<title>link to the judgment</title>
	<author>roju</author>
	<datestamp>1261688100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The <a href="http://www.michaelgeist.ca/component/option,com\_docman/task,doc\_download/gid,28/" title="michaelgeist.ca" rel="nofollow">judgment itself</a> [michaelgeist.ca] (pdf) is quite an interesting read. It gives a good overview of the relevant case law, explains how contributory infringement works, as well as why the court is claiming jurisdiction.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The judgment itself [ michaelgeist.ca ] ( pdf ) is quite an interesting read .
It gives a good overview of the relevant case law , explains how contributory infringement works , as well as why the court is claiming jurisdiction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The judgment itself [michaelgeist.ca] (pdf) is quite an interesting read.
It gives a good overview of the relevant case law, explains how contributory infringement works, as well as why the court is claiming jurisdiction.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546460</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>Wrexs0ul</author>
	<datestamp>1261687800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Same reason there's no direct flights to Cuba. If Gary is found to be owing a bazillionty dollars to the MPAA and doesn't pay then TSA cavity searches will be the least of his concerns next time he crosses the border.</p><p>I have a strong feeling this is also a way to leverage support for ACTA (international DMCA) in Canada. With enough fingers pointing at us and our yarrrr Piratey ways the hope is MPs will give support to this life-changing copyright law.</p><p>-Matt</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same reason there 's no direct flights to Cuba .
If Gary is found to be owing a bazillionty dollars to the MPAA and does n't pay then TSA cavity searches will be the least of his concerns next time he crosses the border.I have a strong feeling this is also a way to leverage support for ACTA ( international DMCA ) in Canada .
With enough fingers pointing at us and our yarrrr Piratey ways the hope is MPs will give support to this life-changing copyright law.-Matt</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same reason there's no direct flights to Cuba.
If Gary is found to be owing a bazillionty dollars to the MPAA and doesn't pay then TSA cavity searches will be the least of his concerns next time he crosses the border.I have a strong feeling this is also a way to leverage support for ACTA (international DMCA) in Canada.
With enough fingers pointing at us and our yarrrr Piratey ways the hope is MPs will give support to this life-changing copyright law.-Matt</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546998</id>
	<title>Re:Ignore the gyrations of management</title>
	<author>NeutronCowboy</author>
	<datestamp>1261649880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You can't stop people talking -- and just as we have physical connections to each other, increasingly we have digital connections to one another as well.</p></div><p>Neat theory. You might want to double-check how that's working out in China.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't stop people talking -- and just as we have physical connections to each other , increasingly we have digital connections to one another as well.Neat theory .
You might want to double-check how that 's working out in China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't stop people talking -- and just as we have physical connections to each other, increasingly we have digital connections to one another as well.Neat theory.
You might want to double-check how that's working out in China.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547388</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1261653480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because the suit was brought in USA Federal court by USA residents complaining about unauthorized copies of works subject to USA copyright being distributed in the USA.  If awarded damages the plaintiffs can seize USA assets of the defendant and/or ask a Canadian court to enforce the orders of the USA court.  While suits against foreign defendants may be news to you they are in fact routine in all jurisdictions and are handled in accordance with well-established procedures.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because the suit was brought in USA Federal court by USA residents complaining about unauthorized copies of works subject to USA copyright being distributed in the USA .
If awarded damages the plaintiffs can seize USA assets of the defendant and/or ask a Canadian court to enforce the orders of the USA court .
While suits against foreign defendants may be news to you they are in fact routine in all jurisdictions and are handled in accordance with well-established procedures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because the suit was brought in USA Federal court by USA residents complaining about unauthorized copies of works subject to USA copyright being distributed in the USA.
If awarded damages the plaintiffs can seize USA assets of the defendant and/or ask a Canadian court to enforce the orders of the USA court.
While suits against foreign defendants may be news to you they are in fact routine in all jurisdictions and are handled in accordance with well-established procedures.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546728</id>
	<title>Suck my nuts fags</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261647240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hope you all do time for this.<br> <br>And for the fucktards who think that piracy only harms corporations? Think again. I find a ton of stuff from small shops and indie artists floating around these sites. So much for the bullshit arguement of 'I would support them if most of the money goes to the artist'</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope you all do time for this .
And for the fucktards who think that piracy only harms corporations ?
Think again .
I find a ton of stuff from small shops and indie artists floating around these sites .
So much for the bullshit arguement of 'I would support them if most of the money goes to the artist'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope you all do time for this.
And for the fucktards who think that piracy only harms corporations?
Think again.
I find a ton of stuff from small shops and indie artists floating around these sites.
So much for the bullshit arguement of 'I would support them if most of the money goes to the artist'</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546464</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>roju</author>
	<datestamp>1261687800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The judgment mentions that the US believes it has jurisdiction over an infringment so long as one of the parties is in the United States. Additionally, the person doing the inducing doesn't have to be in the US.</p><p>On page 18:</p><blockquote><div><p>In the context of secondary liability, an actor may be liable for 'activity undertaken abroad that knowingly induces infringement within the United States.'</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The judgment mentions that the US believes it has jurisdiction over an infringment so long as one of the parties is in the United States .
Additionally , the person doing the inducing does n't have to be in the US.On page 18 : In the context of secondary liability , an actor may be liable for 'activity undertaken abroad that knowingly induces infringement within the United States .
'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The judgment mentions that the US believes it has jurisdiction over an infringment so long as one of the parties is in the United States.
Additionally, the person doing the inducing doesn't have to be in the US.On page 18:In the context of secondary liability, an actor may be liable for 'activity undertaken abroad that knowingly induces infringement within the United States.
'
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30548148</id>
	<title>Re:Conservative Government up here in Canada</title>
	<author>Phrogman</author>
	<datestamp>1261660680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and that means that when the US gestures, the government up here gets down on its knees and moistens its lips.<br>Anything the US tells Canada to do, I expect Harper will bend over backwards (or forwards) to accomplish immediately. Thats whats been normal for Conservative Govts in the past at any rate, and Harper is more conservative than most.<br>We have turned over people who didn't commit a crime here in Canada, we have turned a blind eye to abuse of our citizens by US officials, you name it.<br>Sometimes I wish my government would get a spine and decide to do things because they are right, and that might include telling the US "no" on something occasionally. Its not that I am anti-US, not by any means, its just that I would like my government to act like its independent, rather than a government thats been findlandized.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and that means that when the US gestures , the government up here gets down on its knees and moistens its lips.Anything the US tells Canada to do , I expect Harper will bend over backwards ( or forwards ) to accomplish immediately .
Thats whats been normal for Conservative Govts in the past at any rate , and Harper is more conservative than most.We have turned over people who did n't commit a crime here in Canada , we have turned a blind eye to abuse of our citizens by US officials , you name it.Sometimes I wish my government would get a spine and decide to do things because they are right , and that might include telling the US " no " on something occasionally .
Its not that I am anti-US , not by any means , its just that I would like my government to act like its independent , rather than a government thats been findlandized .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and that means that when the US gestures, the government up here gets down on its knees and moistens its lips.Anything the US tells Canada to do, I expect Harper will bend over backwards (or forwards) to accomplish immediately.
Thats whats been normal for Conservative Govts in the past at any rate, and Harper is more conservative than most.We have turned over people who didn't commit a crime here in Canada, we have turned a blind eye to abuse of our citizens by US officials, you name it.Sometimes I wish my government would get a spine and decide to do things because they are right, and that might include telling the US "no" on something occasionally.
Its not that I am anti-US, not by any means, its just that I would like my government to act like its independent, rather than a government thats been findlandized.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547368</id>
	<title>Copyright is stealing</title>
	<author>Snaller</author>
	<datestamp>1261653360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Learn that AC</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Learn that AC</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Learn that AC</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547426</id>
	<title>Re:Ignore the gyrations of management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261653840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And that's why I no longer download music.</p><p>I just break into a studio, take the master tape of whatever music I want and leave a reel of blank tape in its place. This way I only steal the music and not the tape itself. The studio experiences the same loss as if I would have just downloaded the music, but this way I get higher quality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And that 's why I no longer download music.I just break into a studio , take the master tape of whatever music I want and leave a reel of blank tape in its place .
This way I only steal the music and not the tape itself .
The studio experiences the same loss as if I would have just downloaded the music , but this way I get higher quality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And that's why I no longer download music.I just break into a studio, take the master tape of whatever music I want and leave a reel of blank tape in its place.
This way I only steal the music and not the tape itself.
The studio experiences the same loss as if I would have just downloaded the music, but this way I get higher quality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30553198</id>
	<title>Re:Most BitTorrent sites submit entries to Google</title>
	<author>NonFerrousBueller</author>
	<datestamp>1261745040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's a difference between being a search engine that can be abused to search for illegal material and a search engine not only designed for it, but one that lists the top twenty current searches, most of which are copyrighted material.  Check out isohunt's homepage - if you were a jury member not familiar with things like Linux ISOs and you were shown a screencap of that page, what conclusion would you draw?  Isohunt has not made a good case for themselves.
<p>
Headshops have been allowed to exist in many communities because they publicly distance themselves from the illegal use of their products.  If Isohunt had done so, they wouldn't be in the mess they're in now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a difference between being a search engine that can be abused to search for illegal material and a search engine not only designed for it , but one that lists the top twenty current searches , most of which are copyrighted material .
Check out isohunt 's homepage - if you were a jury member not familiar with things like Linux ISOs and you were shown a screencap of that page , what conclusion would you draw ?
Isohunt has not made a good case for themselves .
Headshops have been allowed to exist in many communities because they publicly distance themselves from the illegal use of their products .
If Isohunt had done so , they would n't be in the mess they 're in now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a difference between being a search engine that can be abused to search for illegal material and a search engine not only designed for it, but one that lists the top twenty current searches, most of which are copyrighted material.
Check out isohunt's homepage - if you were a jury member not familiar with things like Linux ISOs and you were shown a screencap of that page, what conclusion would you draw?
Isohunt has not made a good case for themselves.
Headshops have been allowed to exist in many communities because they publicly distance themselves from the illegal use of their products.
If Isohunt had done so, they wouldn't be in the mess they're in now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546388</id>
	<title>Huh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261687260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A U.S. federal court in California has issued a summary judgment against Canadian-based isoHunt (and its [Canadian] owner Gary Fung)</p></div><p>Why is a US Court adjudicating a case involving a Canadian citizen and his Canadian website?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A U.S. federal court in California has issued a summary judgment against Canadian-based isoHunt ( and its [ Canadian ] owner Gary Fung ) Why is a US Court adjudicating a case involving a Canadian citizen and his Canadian website ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A U.S. federal court in California has issued a summary judgment against Canadian-based isoHunt (and its [Canadian] owner Gary Fung)Why is a US Court adjudicating a case involving a Canadian citizen and his Canadian website?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546420</id>
	<title>Team America: World Police</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261687440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Distributing their own brand of fascism to the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Distributing their own brand of fascism to the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Distributing their own brand of fascism to the world.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546388</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30595186</id>
	<title>Re:Ignore the gyrations of management</title>
	<author>ksd1337</author>
	<datestamp>1259861640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wrong. Ever heard of the sneakernet?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wrong .
Ever heard of the sneakernet ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wrong.
Ever heard of the sneakernet?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546876</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547396</id>
	<title>Re:Ignore the gyrations of management</title>
	<author>kenshin33</author>
	<datestamp>1261653540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>@Anonymous Coward <br>
Stealing is stealing that's a fact that goes both ways.
Getting a song at 99c  == album at the same price of a CD. without the cost of pressing the CD. what do I have to gain???? nothing what do I have to loose freedom (think DRM).
so buying a CD is more has an added value (well buying the track has !(added value) would be more accurate.

<br>
Some people buy the actual product after downloading off the Internet, some people download b/c they had bought the product at some point and lost/broke the actual physical copy. Don't start with the car analogy, you can't clone/copy a car, that's the big difference between physical and intellectual property, copying != stealing.
<br>
Some are simply opportunistic, they consume b/c it's for free, otherwise they wouldn't bother.<p><div class="quote"><p> just like the assholes at grocery that eat grapes before they get to the checkout.</p></div><p>In this case the grocery will end up with -1 grape  in inventory, they actually lost something. Downloading a song is not -1 song in inventory. It is a lost "potential sale", to my knowledge "potential" is not a fact, it's a probability. So "how can one loose what he doesn't have?" is a mystery (may be someone ca shed some light).
<br>
@girlintraining
<br>
Nice post,  eventually the system will collapse sooner or later. The continued consumption of these products illegally (a way of saying F**** YOU Corporate pigs) will make it later rather than sooner.

<br>
On other thing that is rarely mentioned but oh how much infuriating regardless of anything else. Copyright on dead people work! it's utterly irrational, illogical, and most of all |STUPID.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>@ Anonymous Coward Stealing is stealing that 's a fact that goes both ways .
Getting a song at 99c = = album at the same price of a CD .
without the cost of pressing the CD .
what do I have to gain ? ? ? ?
nothing what do I have to loose freedom ( think DRM ) .
so buying a CD is more has an added value ( well buying the track has !
( added value ) would be more accurate .
Some people buy the actual product after downloading off the Internet , some people download b/c they had bought the product at some point and lost/broke the actual physical copy .
Do n't start with the car analogy , you ca n't clone/copy a car , that 's the big difference between physical and intellectual property , copying ! = stealing .
Some are simply opportunistic , they consume b/c it 's for free , otherwise they would n't bother .
just like the assholes at grocery that eat grapes before they get to the checkout.In this case the grocery will end up with -1 grape in inventory , they actually lost something .
Downloading a song is not -1 song in inventory .
It is a lost " potential sale " , to my knowledge " potential " is not a fact , it 's a probability .
So " how can one loose what he does n't have ?
" is a mystery ( may be someone ca shed some light ) .
@ girlintraining Nice post , eventually the system will collapse sooner or later .
The continued consumption of these products illegally ( a way of saying F * * * * YOU Corporate pigs ) will make it later rather than sooner .
On other thing that is rarely mentioned but oh how much infuriating regardless of anything else .
Copyright on dead people work !
it 's utterly irrational , illogical , and most of all | STUPID .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>@Anonymous Coward 
Stealing is stealing that's a fact that goes both ways.
Getting a song at 99c  == album at the same price of a CD.
without the cost of pressing the CD.
what do I have to gain????
nothing what do I have to loose freedom (think DRM).
so buying a CD is more has an added value (well buying the track has !
(added value) would be more accurate.
Some people buy the actual product after downloading off the Internet, some people download b/c they had bought the product at some point and lost/broke the actual physical copy.
Don't start with the car analogy, you can't clone/copy a car, that's the big difference between physical and intellectual property, copying != stealing.
Some are simply opportunistic, they consume b/c it's for free, otherwise they wouldn't bother.
just like the assholes at grocery that eat grapes before they get to the checkout.In this case the grocery will end up with -1 grape  in inventory, they actually lost something.
Downloading a song is not -1 song in inventory.
It is a lost "potential sale", to my knowledge "potential" is not a fact, it's a probability.
So "how can one loose what he doesn't have?
" is a mystery (may be someone ca shed some light).
@girlintraining

Nice post,  eventually the system will collapse sooner or later.
The continued consumption of these products illegally (a way of saying F**** YOU Corporate pigs) will make it later rather than sooner.
On other thing that is rarely mentioned but oh how much infuriating regardless of anything else.
Copyright on dead people work!
it's utterly irrational, illogical, and most of all |STUPID.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546332</id>
	<title>Is there a way for a US judgement to be enforced?</title>
	<author>IshmaelDS</author>
	<datestamp>1261686900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I mean ISOHunt is in Canada,  can this be used to shutdown ISOHunt?  or is this mostly about posturing?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean ISOHunt is in Canada , can this be used to shutdown ISOHunt ?
or is this mostly about posturing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean ISOHunt is in Canada,  can this be used to shutdown ISOHunt?
or is this mostly about posturing?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30548394</id>
	<title>Re:Ignore the gyrations of management</title>
	<author>Aquitaine</author>
	<datestamp>1261663920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Uh, I don't know about you, but if they released attack dogs and helicopters, I think I could summon the willpower to make sure that I never visited isoHunt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh , I do n't know about you , but if they released attack dogs and helicopters , I think I could summon the willpower to make sure that I never visited isoHunt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh, I don't know about you, but if they released attack dogs and helicopters, I think I could summon the willpower to make sure that I never visited isoHunt.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546580</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546580</id>
	<title>Ignore the gyrations of management</title>
	<author>girlintraining</author>
	<datestamp>1261645620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to read stuff like this and get upset. But then I realized that my entire generation knows it's baloney. They can't explain it intellectually. They have no real understanding of the subtleties of the law, or arguments about artists' rights or any of that. All they really understand is there is a large corporation charging private citizens tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars, for downloading a few songs here and there. And it's intuitively obvious that it can't possibly be worth that.</p><p>So what's happened is that this entire generation has disregarded copyright law. It's become a moot point. They could release attack dogs and black helicopters and it wouldn't really change people's attitudes. It won't matter how many websites they shut down or how many lives they ruin, they've already lost the culture war. At this point the only thing these corporations can do is shift the costs to the government and other corporations under color of law in a desperate bid for relevance. That's pretty much what they're doing.</p><p>But what does this mean for the average person? Well, it means that we google and float around to an ever-changing landscape of sites. We communicate by word of mouth via e-mail, instant messaging, and social networking sites where the latest fix of free movies, music, and games are. If you don't make enough money to participate in the artificial marketplace of entertainment goods -- you don't exclude yourself from it, you go to the grey market instead. And all the technological, legal, and philosophical barriers in the world amount to nothing because there's a small core of people like you and I, here on slashdot, that do understand the implications of what they're doing and we continually search for ways to screw them over and liberate their goods and services for "sale" on the grey market. It is, economically and politically, structurally identical to the Prohibition, except that instead of smuggling liquor we are smuggling digital files.</p><p>Billions have been spent combatting a singularily simple idea that was spawned thirty years ago by a bunch of socially-inept disaffected teenagers working out of their garages: <i>Information wants to be free.</i> Except information has no wants -- it's the people who want to be free. And while we can change attitudes about smoking with aggressive media campaigns, and sell people material goods and services they don't really need, we cannot change the fundamental aspects upon which our generation has built a new society out of.</p><p>You can't stop people talking -- and just as we have physical connections to each other, increasingly we have digital connections to one another as well. These connections have, and continue to, actively resist attempts at control because doing so fundamentally impedes the development and nature of the relationships we have with one another. We will naturally seek the methods which give us the greatest freedom to express ourselves to each other. That is a force of nature (ours, specifically) that has evolved out of our interconnectedness, and it goes far, far beyond copyright. Ultimately, this is a battle they cannot win -- they can only delay, building dams and locks to stem the tide, but they will fail. Forces of nature are unpredictable and in the end it always wins.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to read stuff like this and get upset .
But then I realized that my entire generation knows it 's baloney .
They ca n't explain it intellectually .
They have no real understanding of the subtleties of the law , or arguments about artists ' rights or any of that .
All they really understand is there is a large corporation charging private citizens tens , if not hundreds of thousands of dollars , for downloading a few songs here and there .
And it 's intuitively obvious that it ca n't possibly be worth that.So what 's happened is that this entire generation has disregarded copyright law .
It 's become a moot point .
They could release attack dogs and black helicopters and it would n't really change people 's attitudes .
It wo n't matter how many websites they shut down or how many lives they ruin , they 've already lost the culture war .
At this point the only thing these corporations can do is shift the costs to the government and other corporations under color of law in a desperate bid for relevance .
That 's pretty much what they 're doing.But what does this mean for the average person ?
Well , it means that we google and float around to an ever-changing landscape of sites .
We communicate by word of mouth via e-mail , instant messaging , and social networking sites where the latest fix of free movies , music , and games are .
If you do n't make enough money to participate in the artificial marketplace of entertainment goods -- you do n't exclude yourself from it , you go to the grey market instead .
And all the technological , legal , and philosophical barriers in the world amount to nothing because there 's a small core of people like you and I , here on slashdot , that do understand the implications of what they 're doing and we continually search for ways to screw them over and liberate their goods and services for " sale " on the grey market .
It is , economically and politically , structurally identical to the Prohibition , except that instead of smuggling liquor we are smuggling digital files.Billions have been spent combatting a singularily simple idea that was spawned thirty years ago by a bunch of socially-inept disaffected teenagers working out of their garages : Information wants to be free .
Except information has no wants -- it 's the people who want to be free .
And while we can change attitudes about smoking with aggressive media campaigns , and sell people material goods and services they do n't really need , we can not change the fundamental aspects upon which our generation has built a new society out of.You ca n't stop people talking -- and just as we have physical connections to each other , increasingly we have digital connections to one another as well .
These connections have , and continue to , actively resist attempts at control because doing so fundamentally impedes the development and nature of the relationships we have with one another .
We will naturally seek the methods which give us the greatest freedom to express ourselves to each other .
That is a force of nature ( ours , specifically ) that has evolved out of our interconnectedness , and it goes far , far beyond copyright .
Ultimately , this is a battle they can not win -- they can only delay , building dams and locks to stem the tide , but they will fail .
Forces of nature are unpredictable and in the end it always wins .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to read stuff like this and get upset.
But then I realized that my entire generation knows it's baloney.
They can't explain it intellectually.
They have no real understanding of the subtleties of the law, or arguments about artists' rights or any of that.
All they really understand is there is a large corporation charging private citizens tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars, for downloading a few songs here and there.
And it's intuitively obvious that it can't possibly be worth that.So what's happened is that this entire generation has disregarded copyright law.
It's become a moot point.
They could release attack dogs and black helicopters and it wouldn't really change people's attitudes.
It won't matter how many websites they shut down or how many lives they ruin, they've already lost the culture war.
At this point the only thing these corporations can do is shift the costs to the government and other corporations under color of law in a desperate bid for relevance.
That's pretty much what they're doing.But what does this mean for the average person?
Well, it means that we google and float around to an ever-changing landscape of sites.
We communicate by word of mouth via e-mail, instant messaging, and social networking sites where the latest fix of free movies, music, and games are.
If you don't make enough money to participate in the artificial marketplace of entertainment goods -- you don't exclude yourself from it, you go to the grey market instead.
And all the technological, legal, and philosophical barriers in the world amount to nothing because there's a small core of people like you and I, here on slashdot, that do understand the implications of what they're doing and we continually search for ways to screw them over and liberate their goods and services for "sale" on the grey market.
It is, economically and politically, structurally identical to the Prohibition, except that instead of smuggling liquor we are smuggling digital files.Billions have been spent combatting a singularily simple idea that was spawned thirty years ago by a bunch of socially-inept disaffected teenagers working out of their garages: Information wants to be free.
Except information has no wants -- it's the people who want to be free.
And while we can change attitudes about smoking with aggressive media campaigns, and sell people material goods and services they don't really need, we cannot change the fundamental aspects upon which our generation has built a new society out of.You can't stop people talking -- and just as we have physical connections to each other, increasingly we have digital connections to one another as well.
These connections have, and continue to, actively resist attempts at control because doing so fundamentally impedes the development and nature of the relationships we have with one another.
We will naturally seek the methods which give us the greatest freedom to express ourselves to each other.
That is a force of nature (ours, specifically) that has evolved out of our interconnectedness, and it goes far, far beyond copyright.
Ultimately, this is a battle they cannot win -- they can only delay, building dams and locks to stem the tide, but they will fail.
Forces of nature are unpredictable and in the end it always wins.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547204</id>
	<title>If a lawyer attains a high level of scumbaggery...</title>
	<author>hyades1</author>
	<datestamp>1261651860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...he becomes a judge. </p><p> This stinks of a fix.  I hope somebody can find grounds for an appeal. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...he becomes a judge .
This stinks of a fix .
I hope somebody can find grounds for an appeal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...he becomes a judge.
This stinks of a fix.
I hope somebody can find grounds for an appeal. </sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546996</id>
	<title>Re:Is there a way for a US judgement to be enforce</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261649880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He might not be able to travel to the US without the risk of being arrested and prosecuted.</p><p>Remember that Russian guy Dmitry Sklyarov[1]? He was arrested in 2002 in the US for an DMCA offence that he committed in Russia and which isn't an offence according to Russian law. While he was eventually allowed to go home, he was still subject to prosecution in the US.</p><p>[1] http://www.freesklyarov.org/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He might not be able to travel to the US without the risk of being arrested and prosecuted.Remember that Russian guy Dmitry Sklyarov [ 1 ] ?
He was arrested in 2002 in the US for an DMCA offence that he committed in Russia and which is n't an offence according to Russian law .
While he was eventually allowed to go home , he was still subject to prosecution in the US .
[ 1 ] http : //www.freesklyarov.org/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He might not be able to travel to the US without the risk of being arrested and prosecuted.Remember that Russian guy Dmitry Sklyarov[1]?
He was arrested in 2002 in the US for an DMCA offence that he committed in Russia and which isn't an offence according to Russian law.
While he was eventually allowed to go home, he was still subject to prosecution in the US.
[1] http://www.freesklyarov.org/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547290</id>
	<title>Copyright is theft</title>
	<author>Snaller</author>
	<datestamp>1261652640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And since information wants to be free, I'm going to copy your text and paste it all over the internet<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And since information wants to be free , I 'm going to copy your text and paste it all over the internet : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And since information wants to be free, I'm going to copy your text and paste it all over the internet :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546580</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30548260</id>
	<title>Re:Ignore the gyrations of management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261662000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Information wants to be free.</p></div><p>Bullshit, bullshit and BULLSHIT;  Information wants nothing.  I'm tired of reading this canard.  </p><p><div class="quote"><p>That is a force of nature (ours, specifically) that has evolved out of our interconnectedness, and it goes far, far beyond copyright. Ultimately, this is a battle they cannot win -- they can only delay, building dams and locks to stem the tide, but they will fail.</p></div><p>. .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.And if they fail, much of the quality content will stop.  Not all:  I've found quality content for free, but the ultimate objective of most of that "free" content was profit.</p><p>I'm an engineer, and in the business of producing information that people want to consume.  The major difference between me and Hollywood is that the information I produce is only of interest to a few people.  My information wants no more freedom than the information that is produced in Hollywood or Bollywood.  The problem is pull:  Many people want the information that is produced in Hollywood, so they seek it.  The Hollywood information is sufficiently available that they can find it without paying for it, should they so choose.  That information DOES NOT seek a new home, nor a concept so esoteric as freedom; rather, it is sought.</p><p>Perhaps it's time to get over the notion that we should all share without charging your neighbor.  Money is the abstract by which I'm compensated for my time, and also happens to be the abstract by which Hollywood producers are compensated for their time.  If you don't like it, seek out artists and services who are less interested in money.  I generally do, and am happy, although I do pay for the occasional DVD for myself and my wife or for my kids.</p><p>(Sorry.  I don't mean to be harsh, but the notion that somebody should (or can!) work without appropriate compensation makes my blood boil.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Information wants to be free.Bullshit , bullshit and BULLSHIT ; Information wants nothing .
I 'm tired of reading this canard .
That is a force of nature ( ours , specifically ) that has evolved out of our interconnectedness , and it goes far , far beyond copyright .
Ultimately , this is a battle they can not win -- they can only delay , building dams and locks to stem the tide , but they will fail.. . .And if they fail , much of the quality content will stop .
Not all : I 've found quality content for free , but the ultimate objective of most of that " free " content was profit.I 'm an engineer , and in the business of producing information that people want to consume .
The major difference between me and Hollywood is that the information I produce is only of interest to a few people .
My information wants no more freedom than the information that is produced in Hollywood or Bollywood .
The problem is pull : Many people want the information that is produced in Hollywood , so they seek it .
The Hollywood information is sufficiently available that they can find it without paying for it , should they so choose .
That information DOES NOT seek a new home , nor a concept so esoteric as freedom ; rather , it is sought.Perhaps it 's time to get over the notion that we should all share without charging your neighbor .
Money is the abstract by which I 'm compensated for my time , and also happens to be the abstract by which Hollywood producers are compensated for their time .
If you do n't like it , seek out artists and services who are less interested in money .
I generally do , and am happy , although I do pay for the occasional DVD for myself and my wife or for my kids. ( Sorry .
I do n't mean to be harsh , but the notion that somebody should ( or can !
) work without appropriate compensation makes my blood boil .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Information wants to be free.Bullshit, bullshit and BULLSHIT;  Information wants nothing.
I'm tired of reading this canard.
That is a force of nature (ours, specifically) that has evolved out of our interconnectedness, and it goes far, far beyond copyright.
Ultimately, this is a battle they cannot win -- they can only delay, building dams and locks to stem the tide, but they will fail.. . .And if they fail, much of the quality content will stop.
Not all:  I've found quality content for free, but the ultimate objective of most of that "free" content was profit.I'm an engineer, and in the business of producing information that people want to consume.
The major difference between me and Hollywood is that the information I produce is only of interest to a few people.
My information wants no more freedom than the information that is produced in Hollywood or Bollywood.
The problem is pull:  Many people want the information that is produced in Hollywood, so they seek it.
The Hollywood information is sufficiently available that they can find it without paying for it, should they so choose.
That information DOES NOT seek a new home, nor a concept so esoteric as freedom; rather, it is sought.Perhaps it's time to get over the notion that we should all share without charging your neighbor.
Money is the abstract by which I'm compensated for my time, and also happens to be the abstract by which Hollywood producers are compensated for their time.
If you don't like it, seek out artists and services who are less interested in money.
I generally do, and am happy, although I do pay for the occasional DVD for myself and my wife or for my kids.(Sorry.
I don't mean to be harsh, but the notion that somebody should (or can!
) work without appropriate compensation makes my blood boil.
)
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546416</id>
	<title>Liberalism:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261687440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The belief that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd from the clean end.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The belief that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd from the clean end .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The belief that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd from the clean end.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546332</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546462</id>
	<title>Re:Is there a way for a US judgement to be enforce</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261687800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, they just ask Canada to extradite the owner.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , they just ask Canada to extradite the owner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, they just ask Canada to extradite the owner.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546598</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>cpt kangarooski</author>
	<datestamp>1261645740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I don't know how the Canadians handle it, but I can tell you that the Berne Convention is not of any use in an American court. No one has rights in the US pursuant to Berne; rather, copyrights here are entirely governed by our domestic law, which only extends as far as our borders.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I do n't know how the Canadians handle it , but I can tell you that the Berne Convention is not of any use in an American court .
No one has rights in the US pursuant to Berne ; rather , copyrights here are entirely governed by our domestic law , which only extends as far as our borders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I don't know how the Canadians handle it, but I can tell you that the Berne Convention is not of any use in an American court.
No one has rights in the US pursuant to Berne; rather, copyrights here are entirely governed by our domestic law, which only extends as far as our borders.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30549354</id>
	<title>Re:Ignore the gyrations of management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261679400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I loved this post and have seen it many places since I first read it.<br>You are correct we cant stop people talking or sharing for that matter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I loved this post and have seen it many places since I first read it.You are correct we cant stop people talking or sharing for that matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I loved this post and have seen it many places since I first read it.You are correct we cant stop people talking or sharing for that matter.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546504</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>tdc\_vga</author>
	<datestamp>1261688100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's known as a long arm jurisdiction ( <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long\_arm\_jurisdiction" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">link</a> [wikipedia.org] ).  Generally, the test is if the entity had sufficient contact with the jurisdiction.  In this case I would guess it was based on the fact that the website was reachable, and more importantly, foreseeably reachable by American (Californian) citizens. <br> <br>

Or jurisdiction may have been waived.  I didn't bother to pull the filings off PACER --sorry.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's known as a long arm jurisdiction ( link [ wikipedia.org ] ) .
Generally , the test is if the entity had sufficient contact with the jurisdiction .
In this case I would guess it was based on the fact that the website was reachable , and more importantly , foreseeably reachable by American ( Californian ) citizens .
Or jurisdiction may have been waived .
I did n't bother to pull the filings off PACER --sorry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's known as a long arm jurisdiction ( link [wikipedia.org] ).
Generally, the test is if the entity had sufficient contact with the jurisdiction.
In this case I would guess it was based on the fact that the website was reachable, and more importantly, foreseeably reachable by American (Californian) citizens.
Or jurisdiction may have been waived.
I didn't bother to pull the filings off PACER --sorry.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30548926</id>
	<title>And y'all believe this is gonna stop piracy?</title>
	<author>MadMaverick9</author>
	<datestamp>1261673280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Think again - unless the following issues are being addressed, piracy will not go away.
<ol>
<li>DVD technology: a dvd has a region code so that a dvd bought in one region can not be played in another region (unless you use an illegal hacked player). While an<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.avi file can be played anywhere.</li>
<li>Payment methods: not everybody who wants to buy movies, music or software has a credit card. If you want everybody to buy your product, then you (the company) need to provide payment methods that cover all needs, incl. cash only. Another example: somebody has enough credit in their paypal account to buy a product, but they still can not buy the product they want, because at the end of the purchasing process, one is still required to enter a credit card number, despite sufficient credit in your paypal account. This example assumes the paypal account is not linked to a credit card and/or bank account. I do not know if this is an issue with paypal and/or the company selling the product, and I don't really care. It's a problem - and if you (the company) do not address it, piracy will continue.
<br>
Side note: Bad credit and credit cards is what got us into the financial crisis in the first place.</li>
<li>Cost: a newly released dvd cost around 28 - 40 us$. How much does it cost to produce the dvd: probably one us$ or less. It doesn't matter, the question is: where is the bulk of the money we pay for a dvd going? To the artist? Probably not - but it should go to the artist.
<br>
Side note: greed is the other reason that got us all into the financial crisis.</li>
<li>Business model: you do not actually buy software - no - you buy the right to use it. Who came up with this idea??</li>
</ol><p>
Unless the above issues (and I am sure other people have additional issues) are addressed, piracy will not go away.
</p><p>
Just my<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.02 us$ worth<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Think again - unless the following issues are being addressed , piracy will not go away .
DVD technology : a dvd has a region code so that a dvd bought in one region can not be played in another region ( unless you use an illegal hacked player ) .
While an .avi file can be played anywhere .
Payment methods : not everybody who wants to buy movies , music or software has a credit card .
If you want everybody to buy your product , then you ( the company ) need to provide payment methods that cover all needs , incl .
cash only .
Another example : somebody has enough credit in their paypal account to buy a product , but they still can not buy the product they want , because at the end of the purchasing process , one is still required to enter a credit card number , despite sufficient credit in your paypal account .
This example assumes the paypal account is not linked to a credit card and/or bank account .
I do not know if this is an issue with paypal and/or the company selling the product , and I do n't really care .
It 's a problem - and if you ( the company ) do not address it , piracy will continue .
Side note : Bad credit and credit cards is what got us into the financial crisis in the first place .
Cost : a newly released dvd cost around 28 - 40 us $ .
How much does it cost to produce the dvd : probably one us $ or less .
It does n't matter , the question is : where is the bulk of the money we pay for a dvd going ?
To the artist ?
Probably not - but it should go to the artist .
Side note : greed is the other reason that got us all into the financial crisis .
Business model : you do not actually buy software - no - you buy the right to use it .
Who came up with this idea ? ?
Unless the above issues ( and I am sure other people have additional issues ) are addressed , piracy will not go away .
Just my .02 us $ worth .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Think again - unless the following issues are being addressed, piracy will not go away.
DVD technology: a dvd has a region code so that a dvd bought in one region can not be played in another region (unless you use an illegal hacked player).
While an .avi file can be played anywhere.
Payment methods: not everybody who wants to buy movies, music or software has a credit card.
If you want everybody to buy your product, then you (the company) need to provide payment methods that cover all needs, incl.
cash only.
Another example: somebody has enough credit in their paypal account to buy a product, but they still can not buy the product they want, because at the end of the purchasing process, one is still required to enter a credit card number, despite sufficient credit in your paypal account.
This example assumes the paypal account is not linked to a credit card and/or bank account.
I do not know if this is an issue with paypal and/or the company selling the product, and I don't really care.
It's a problem - and if you (the company) do not address it, piracy will continue.
Side note: Bad credit and credit cards is what got us into the financial crisis in the first place.
Cost: a newly released dvd cost around 28 - 40 us$.
How much does it cost to produce the dvd: probably one us$ or less.
It doesn't matter, the question is: where is the bulk of the money we pay for a dvd going?
To the artist?
Probably not - but it should go to the artist.
Side note: greed is the other reason that got us all into the financial crisis.
Business model: you do not actually buy software - no - you buy the right to use it.
Who came up with this idea??
Unless the above issues (and I am sure other people have additional issues) are addressed, piracy will not go away.
Just my .02 us$ worth ...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547512</id>
	<title>Re:Inducing copyright infringement</title>
	<author>roju</author>
	<datestamp>1261654380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Every time Hollywood complains about "billions of dollars of lost revenue", people should rebut and complain about Hollywood stealing <a href="http://640k.ca/2009/11/fbi-warnings-waste-canadians-millions-of-dollars/" title="640k.ca">millions of dollars of people's time</a> [640k.ca] with those FBI warnings.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Every time Hollywood complains about " billions of dollars of lost revenue " , people should rebut and complain about Hollywood stealing millions of dollars of people 's time [ 640k.ca ] with those FBI warnings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every time Hollywood complains about "billions of dollars of lost revenue", people should rebut and complain about Hollywood stealing millions of dollars of people's time [640k.ca] with those FBI warnings.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547394</id>
	<title>Can anybody name...</title>
	<author>mark-t</author>
	<datestamp>1261653540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... a single legally distributable work that is distributed/tracked through isoHunt and isn't actually readily available via another mainstream channel anyways?
<p>
I can't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... a single legally distributable work that is distributed/tracked through isoHunt and is n't actually readily available via another mainstream channel anyways ?
I ca n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... a single legally distributable work that is distributed/tracked through isoHunt and isn't actually readily available via another mainstream channel anyways?
I can't.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547666</id>
	<title>Re:Most BitTorrent sites submit entries to Google</title>
	<author>Ego\_and\_his\_own</author>
	<datestamp>1261655580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is very good point.

It seems that ignorant Americans are not seeing that their laws are maid to suit corporate interests not to protect justice and freedom. To issue conviction without a (fair) trial is something I can only say WOW!

I didn't know that something like that is even possible in USA. I would expect something like that in some dictatorship country from past century.

Technology (in this case bittorrent) can not be guilty for bad (business) practices. And future will show how ridiculous this is.

I don't think this is something which will bring any good to anyone. Change is obviously needed, and this "big guys" don't like that idea. On the final I dont think that will bring them any joy as copyright system how it stand now it will not stand for long.

I think that new business model is something we can expect in next few years in this arena.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is very good point .
It seems that ignorant Americans are not seeing that their laws are maid to suit corporate interests not to protect justice and freedom .
To issue conviction without a ( fair ) trial is something I can only say WOW !
I did n't know that something like that is even possible in USA .
I would expect something like that in some dictatorship country from past century .
Technology ( in this case bittorrent ) can not be guilty for bad ( business ) practices .
And future will show how ridiculous this is .
I do n't think this is something which will bring any good to anyone .
Change is obviously needed , and this " big guys " do n't like that idea .
On the final I dont think that will bring them any joy as copyright system how it stand now it will not stand for long .
I think that new business model is something we can expect in next few years in this arena .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is very good point.
It seems that ignorant Americans are not seeing that their laws are maid to suit corporate interests not to protect justice and freedom.
To issue conviction without a (fair) trial is something I can only say WOW!
I didn't know that something like that is even possible in USA.
I would expect something like that in some dictatorship country from past century.
Technology (in this case bittorrent) can not be guilty for bad (business) practices.
And future will show how ridiculous this is.
I don't think this is something which will bring any good to anyone.
Change is obviously needed, and this "big guys" don't like that idea.
On the final I dont think that will bring them any joy as copyright system how it stand now it will not stand for long.
I think that new business model is something we can expect in next few years in this arena.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30548578</id>
	<title>Re:Can anybody name...</title>
	<author>Mr. DOS</author>
	<datestamp>1261667520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes. Old video games for one. Old music for two. Old movies for three. (Remember, you specified <em>readily</em> available - copies of virtually anything are available if you look hard enough, but if you've got to look very hard at all, then the item isn't readily available).</p><p>It's regional, too - I live just outside of a town of ~10k people, and we have no CD store (beyond Walmart - yes, a Walmart in a town of 10k; that was my reaction too). To get anything beyond the "top 40" stuff Walmart caries, I've got to drive almost an hour. Thus, for me, almost anything other than what Walmart caries isn't readily available.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; --- Mr. DOS</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes .
Old video games for one .
Old music for two .
Old movies for three .
( Remember , you specified readily available - copies of virtually anything are available if you look hard enough , but if you 've got to look very hard at all , then the item is n't readily available ) .It 's regional , too - I live just outside of a town of ~ 10k people , and we have no CD store ( beyond Walmart - yes , a Walmart in a town of 10k ; that was my reaction too ) .
To get anything beyond the " top 40 " stuff Walmart caries , I 've got to drive almost an hour .
Thus , for me , almost anything other than what Walmart caries is n't readily available .
      --- Mr. DOS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes.
Old video games for one.
Old music for two.
Old movies for three.
(Remember, you specified readily available - copies of virtually anything are available if you look hard enough, but if you've got to look very hard at all, then the item isn't readily available).It's regional, too - I live just outside of a town of ~10k people, and we have no CD store (beyond Walmart - yes, a Walmart in a town of 10k; that was my reaction too).
To get anything beyond the "top 40" stuff Walmart caries, I've got to drive almost an hour.
Thus, for me, almost anything other than what Walmart caries isn't readily available.
      --- Mr. DOS</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547216</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261651980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>more favorable for MPAA to bring the case into the US (obv) - and then diversity of citizenship between parties means it goes to federal court in this case Cali (because of citizenship of MPAA)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>more favorable for MPAA to bring the case into the US ( obv ) - and then diversity of citizenship between parties means it goes to federal court in this case Cali ( because of citizenship of MPAA )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>more favorable for MPAA to bring the case into the US (obv) - and then diversity of citizenship between parties means it goes to federal court in this case Cali (because of citizenship of MPAA)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546970</id>
	<title>Re:Ignore the gyrations of management</title>
	<author>causality</author>
	<datestamp>1261649460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>That was a beautifully written post and a pleasure to read.  Thank you for that.
<br> <br>
I seem to have a bit of cynacism about it, though.  I'd like to get rid of that, but I think it has a solid foundation.  Your reference to Prohibition was absoutely right.  The problem is, this country has not learned from it.  Prohibition taught us that you cannot stop a powerful economic force, and if you try too hard to do it, you will create a black market and you will provide fertile soil for organized crime.  No one fought with submachine guns and died in the streets over alcohol until it was made illegal.  Alfonso Capone would be an anonymous figure if not for Prohibition.  Imagine all the tax dollars, buildup of increasingly paramilitary police forces, involvement of the federal government in basic law enforcement issues and lives lost just to enforce a law that should never have been written, a law designed to enforce one group's Puritannical moral objections on everyone else.
<br> <br>
For anyone who's actually familiar with American history and tradition, it's hard to imagine anything more un-American than using law to micromanage the personal lives of others.  You cannot tell a person what they may put into their body without also, implicitly, claiming ownership of their body.  Yet that happened, right here in the "land of the free."  And we tolerated it, because we were told that it was for our own good.
<br> <br>
Then consider that we haven't really learned anything from it because we still have Prohibition.  We still have The War on (some) Drugs.  Only the object of the prohibition has changed, but the process is the same.  So are the problems.  We have learned nothing.
<br> <br>
I would like to think that when iron-fisted copyright proves to be a failure, we will learn from this and find more reasonable approaches.  But the utter failure of Prohibition hasn't stopped us from implementing similar laws.  I would like to believe that a cultural war has been won, that when the old guard retires those who replace them will have a more enlightened viewpoint.  I truly want to believe that.  But I really don't see much precedent for it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That was a beautifully written post and a pleasure to read .
Thank you for that .
I seem to have a bit of cynacism about it , though .
I 'd like to get rid of that , but I think it has a solid foundation .
Your reference to Prohibition was absoutely right .
The problem is , this country has not learned from it .
Prohibition taught us that you can not stop a powerful economic force , and if you try too hard to do it , you will create a black market and you will provide fertile soil for organized crime .
No one fought with submachine guns and died in the streets over alcohol until it was made illegal .
Alfonso Capone would be an anonymous figure if not for Prohibition .
Imagine all the tax dollars , buildup of increasingly paramilitary police forces , involvement of the federal government in basic law enforcement issues and lives lost just to enforce a law that should never have been written , a law designed to enforce one group 's Puritannical moral objections on everyone else .
For anyone who 's actually familiar with American history and tradition , it 's hard to imagine anything more un-American than using law to micromanage the personal lives of others .
You can not tell a person what they may put into their body without also , implicitly , claiming ownership of their body .
Yet that happened , right here in the " land of the free .
" And we tolerated it , because we were told that it was for our own good .
Then consider that we have n't really learned anything from it because we still have Prohibition .
We still have The War on ( some ) Drugs .
Only the object of the prohibition has changed , but the process is the same .
So are the problems .
We have learned nothing .
I would like to think that when iron-fisted copyright proves to be a failure , we will learn from this and find more reasonable approaches .
But the utter failure of Prohibition has n't stopped us from implementing similar laws .
I would like to believe that a cultural war has been won , that when the old guard retires those who replace them will have a more enlightened viewpoint .
I truly want to believe that .
But I really do n't see much precedent for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was a beautifully written post and a pleasure to read.
Thank you for that.
I seem to have a bit of cynacism about it, though.
I'd like to get rid of that, but I think it has a solid foundation.
Your reference to Prohibition was absoutely right.
The problem is, this country has not learned from it.
Prohibition taught us that you cannot stop a powerful economic force, and if you try too hard to do it, you will create a black market and you will provide fertile soil for organized crime.
No one fought with submachine guns and died in the streets over alcohol until it was made illegal.
Alfonso Capone would be an anonymous figure if not for Prohibition.
Imagine all the tax dollars, buildup of increasingly paramilitary police forces, involvement of the federal government in basic law enforcement issues and lives lost just to enforce a law that should never have been written, a law designed to enforce one group's Puritannical moral objections on everyone else.
For anyone who's actually familiar with American history and tradition, it's hard to imagine anything more un-American than using law to micromanage the personal lives of others.
You cannot tell a person what they may put into their body without also, implicitly, claiming ownership of their body.
Yet that happened, right here in the "land of the free.
"  And we tolerated it, because we were told that it was for our own good.
Then consider that we haven't really learned anything from it because we still have Prohibition.
We still have The War on (some) Drugs.
Only the object of the prohibition has changed, but the process is the same.
So are the problems.
We have learned nothing.
I would like to think that when iron-fisted copyright proves to be a failure, we will learn from this and find more reasonable approaches.
But the utter failure of Prohibition hasn't stopped us from implementing similar laws.
I would like to believe that a cultural war has been won, that when the old guard retires those who replace them will have a more enlightened viewpoint.
I truly want to believe that.
But I really don't see much precedent for it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547306</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261652760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>28 USC section 1391(b)</p><p>also more likely than not, both personal and subject-matter jurisdiction claims are strong enough to pull the canadian citizen into US federal court. esp. if there is a claim that he was affecting the stream of commerce substantially.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>28 USC section 1391 ( b ) also more likely than not , both personal and subject-matter jurisdiction claims are strong enough to pull the canadian citizen into US federal court .
esp. if there is a claim that he was affecting the stream of commerce substantially .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>28 USC section 1391(b)also more likely than not, both personal and subject-matter jurisdiction claims are strong enough to pull the canadian citizen into US federal court.
esp. if there is a claim that he was affecting the stream of commerce substantially.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30551048</id>
	<title>Re:Can anybody name...</title>
	<author>Wildclaw</author>
	<datestamp>1261759320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course I can't. As IsoHunt happens to be a mainstream channel that indexes other mainstream channels such as the pirate bay and Mininova. So if it is available on Isohunt, it is probably directly available on another mainstream site. Atleast, that is if you define mainstream as what people actually use. Of course, there are lots of people who wishes that torrent sites weren't mainstream. But wishing doesn't make it true.</p><p>Oh, and I actually did have my completely legal collection of video go lectures deleted from Mininova during the great delete. And I wasn't distributing it from anywhere else, so I happens to be a recent victim of the MAFIAA tactics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course I ca n't .
As IsoHunt happens to be a mainstream channel that indexes other mainstream channels such as the pirate bay and Mininova .
So if it is available on Isohunt , it is probably directly available on another mainstream site .
Atleast , that is if you define mainstream as what people actually use .
Of course , there are lots of people who wishes that torrent sites were n't mainstream .
But wishing does n't make it true.Oh , and I actually did have my completely legal collection of video go lectures deleted from Mininova during the great delete .
And I was n't distributing it from anywhere else , so I happens to be a recent victim of the MAFIAA tactics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course I can't.
As IsoHunt happens to be a mainstream channel that indexes other mainstream channels such as the pirate bay and Mininova.
So if it is available on Isohunt, it is probably directly available on another mainstream site.
Atleast, that is if you define mainstream as what people actually use.
Of course, there are lots of people who wishes that torrent sites weren't mainstream.
But wishing doesn't make it true.Oh, and I actually did have my completely legal collection of video go lectures deleted from Mininova during the great delete.
And I wasn't distributing it from anywhere else, so I happens to be a recent victim of the MAFIAA tactics.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546502</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>wizardforce</author>
	<datestamp>1261688100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anticipation of ACTA?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anticipation of ACTA ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anticipation of ACTA?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30549154</id>
	<title>Re:Ignore the gyrations of management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261676160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Could you help me out here? I keep telling the FSF that using GPL code in our commercial product is nothing more than "Information wants to be free". But they keep saying they will sue me under copyright law unless I release code changes. WTF?!</p><p>Could you help me write a reply to them?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could you help me out here ?
I keep telling the FSF that using GPL code in our commercial product is nothing more than " Information wants to be free " .
But they keep saying they will sue me under copyright law unless I release code changes .
WTF ? ! Could you help me write a reply to them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could you help me out here?
I keep telling the FSF that using GPL code in our commercial product is nothing more than "Information wants to be free".
But they keep saying they will sue me under copyright law unless I release code changes.
WTF?!Could you help me write a reply to them?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546580</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30549032</id>
	<title>oogletorrentshunt?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261674840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What if I create a torrent site that not only doesn't host torrents, but simply points to "generic search engines"(google) who do?</p><p>Could I be an aggregator of content pointers to a site which is itself immune to such regulation?</p><p>Maybe call it "oooglehunt" or something.</p><p>-cow</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What if I create a torrent site that not only does n't host torrents , but simply points to " generic search engines " ( google ) who do ? Could I be an aggregator of content pointers to a site which is itself immune to such regulation ? Maybe call it " oooglehunt " or something.-cow</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if I create a torrent site that not only doesn't host torrents, but simply points to "generic search engines"(google) who do?Could I be an aggregator of content pointers to a site which is itself immune to such regulation?Maybe call it "oooglehunt" or something.-cow</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546876</id>
	<title>Re:Ignore the gyrations of management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261648500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bullshit.</p><p>Information may <b>want</b> to be free but it still <b>must</b> pass through the hands of a telco or other carrier.  I'll give you three guesses where the roadblocks of the digital realm are going to be set up.  I'll give you another three guesses as to whether the suits are going to be on the side of "information wants to be free" or not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bullshit.Information may want to be free but it still must pass through the hands of a telco or other carrier .
I 'll give you three guesses where the roadblocks of the digital realm are going to be set up .
I 'll give you another three guesses as to whether the suits are going to be on the side of " information wants to be free " or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bullshit.Information may want to be free but it still must pass through the hands of a telco or other carrier.
I'll give you three guesses where the roadblocks of the digital realm are going to be set up.
I'll give you another three guesses as to whether the suits are going to be on the side of "information wants to be free" or not.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546580</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547220</id>
	<title>Re:Ignore the gyrations of management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261651980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>tl;dr: ZOMG INTERNETS! you have no chance to survive make your time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>tl ; dr : ZOMG INTERNETS !
you have no chance to survive make your time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>tl;dr: ZOMG INTERNETS!
you have no chance to survive make your time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546580</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546844</id>
	<title>Blame Canada !</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261648140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here -&gt; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7UKllR0Edo</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here - &gt; http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = D7UKllR0Edo</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here -&gt; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7UKllR0Edo</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547234</id>
	<title>Effective</title>
	<author>Dunbal</author>
	<datestamp>1261652100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm so glad sites like this and especially The Pirate Bay get shut down. Oh, wait...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm so glad sites like this and especially The Pirate Bay get shut down .
Oh , wait.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm so glad sites like this and especially The Pirate Bay get shut down.
Oh, wait...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546446</id>
	<title>International "Commerce"</title>
	<author>Phoenix Rising</author>
	<datestamp>1261687740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because the MPAA could legitimately claim that his service was available to U.S. citizens, U.S. based equipment, and/or passed over U.S. network lines, the court (correctly) ruled that the MPAA had standing in this country.</p><p>If isoHunt turned off access via U.S. IP address blocks, it would theoretically no longer be in violation of U.S. law - only potentially Canadian law (which Fung states he is not violating...).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because the MPAA could legitimately claim that his service was available to U.S. citizens , U.S. based equipment , and/or passed over U.S. network lines , the court ( correctly ) ruled that the MPAA had standing in this country.If isoHunt turned off access via U.S. IP address blocks , it would theoretically no longer be in violation of U.S. law - only potentially Canadian law ( which Fung states he is not violating... ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because the MPAA could legitimately claim that his service was available to U.S. citizens, U.S. based equipment, and/or passed over U.S. network lines, the court (correctly) ruled that the MPAA had standing in this country.If isoHunt turned off access via U.S. IP address blocks, it would theoretically no longer be in violation of U.S. law - only potentially Canadian law (which Fung states he is not violating...).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546388</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547654</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261655460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The US believes it has jurisdiction over the entire planet.</p><p>Make the most of it, China is on the rise and the US Empire is on the wane.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The US believes it has jurisdiction over the entire planet.Make the most of it , China is on the rise and the US Empire is on the wane .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The US believes it has jurisdiction over the entire planet.Make the most of it, China is on the rise and the US Empire is on the wane.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546464</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546682</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>fluffy99</author>
	<datestamp>1261646820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>A U.S. federal court in California has issued a summary judgment against Canadian-based isoHunt (and its [Canadian] owner Gary Fung)</p></div><p>Why is a US Court adjudicating a case involving a Canadian citizen and his Canadian website?</p></div><p>You forgot to add, "on behalf of predominately foreign owned companies".</p><p>My interpretation of the summary judgement is that this Canadian was facilitating copyright infringement that occurred on US soil - ie the clients doing the downloading.</p><p>Those web sites are guilty as hell.  The evidence is that the sites specifically advertised copyrighted torrents, openly declared the intent of the site as facilitating infringing downloads, and 95\% of the available torrents were for copyrighted material.  It's the jurisdiction and enforceability that are in question.  At least Pirate Bay could claim ignorance and lack of control over the torrents on their site.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A U.S. federal court in California has issued a summary judgment against Canadian-based isoHunt ( and its [ Canadian ] owner Gary Fung ) Why is a US Court adjudicating a case involving a Canadian citizen and his Canadian website ? You forgot to add , " on behalf of predominately foreign owned companies " .My interpretation of the summary judgement is that this Canadian was facilitating copyright infringement that occurred on US soil - ie the clients doing the downloading.Those web sites are guilty as hell .
The evidence is that the sites specifically advertised copyrighted torrents , openly declared the intent of the site as facilitating infringing downloads , and 95 \ % of the available torrents were for copyrighted material .
It 's the jurisdiction and enforceability that are in question .
At least Pirate Bay could claim ignorance and lack of control over the torrents on their site .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A U.S. federal court in California has issued a summary judgment against Canadian-based isoHunt (and its [Canadian] owner Gary Fung)Why is a US Court adjudicating a case involving a Canadian citizen and his Canadian website?You forgot to add, "on behalf of predominately foreign owned companies".My interpretation of the summary judgement is that this Canadian was facilitating copyright infringement that occurred on US soil - ie the clients doing the downloading.Those web sites are guilty as hell.
The evidence is that the sites specifically advertised copyrighted torrents, openly declared the intent of the site as facilitating infringing downloads, and 95\% of the available torrents were for copyrighted material.
It's the jurisdiction and enforceability that are in question.
At least Pirate Bay could claim ignorance and lack of control over the torrents on their site.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546388</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30548166</id>
	<title>Re:Is there a way for a US judgement to be enforce</title>
	<author>hitmark</author>
	<datestamp>1261660860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>they hope and pray that they will be able to buy enough shares that they will be the nobility rather thrn the plebs...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>they hope and pray that they will be able to buy enough shares that they will be the nobility rather thrn the plebs.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they hope and pray that they will be able to buy enough shares that they will be the nobility rather thrn the plebs...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547472</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30549216</id>
	<title>Re:Ignore the gyrations of management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261677300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>hahaha all I could think of while reading the first two sentences was "this guy is another stoner rights advocate" and your third sentence proved it</htmltext>
<tokenext>hahaha all I could think of while reading the first two sentences was " this guy is another stoner rights advocate " and your third sentence proved it</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hahaha all I could think of while reading the first two sentences was "this guy is another stoner rights advocate" and your third sentence proved it</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546970</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546736</id>
	<title>Search Engine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261647360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This judgement basically all search engines are guilty of the same.  So long Internet.  Enjoy it while it lasts.  It will all be pay as go from now on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This judgement basically all search engines are guilty of the same .
So long Internet .
Enjoy it while it lasts .
It will all be pay as go from now on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This judgement basically all search engines are guilty of the same.
So long Internet.
Enjoy it while it lasts.
It will all be pay as go from now on.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546426</id>
	<title>what I'm unclear about..</title>
	<author>roju</author>
	<datestamp>1261687500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What neither writer makes clear is why isoHunt and Fung, both Canadian, are participating in a lawsuit in California.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What neither writer makes clear is why isoHunt and Fung , both Canadian , are participating in a lawsuit in California .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What neither writer makes clear is why isoHunt and Fung, both Canadian, are participating in a lawsuit in California.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546712</id>
	<title>Re:International "Commerce"</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1261647180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Say a foreign country bans use of encryption without a license. So is every HTTPS site in the world in violation if it doesn't firewall off all the country's IP ranges?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Say a foreign country bans use of encryption without a license .
So is every HTTPS site in the world in violation if it does n't firewall off all the country 's IP ranges ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Say a foreign country bans use of encryption without a license.
So is every HTTPS site in the world in violation if it doesn't firewall off all the country's IP ranges?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546446</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30550342</id>
	<title>Re:Ignore the gyrations of management</title>
	<author>topgun966</author>
	<datestamp>1261745820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>

Very very nicely written. Our generation is different than the previous. Its the classic struggle of one generation over to another.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Very very nicely written .
Our generation is different than the previous .
Its the classic struggle of one generation over to another .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>

Very very nicely written.
Our generation is different than the previous.
Its the classic struggle of one generation over to another.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546580</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547038</id>
	<title>Re:Ignore the gyrations of management</title>
	<author>broken\_chaos</author>
	<datestamp>1261650300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it. It's an older quote, but it's still accurate. If the telcos start putting in more and more blocks, people will find ways around them. Strong encryption (as is already used in some BitTorrent clients), stenography, more decentralisation, and even, if things get pushed so far that such 'digital' techniques are hard to avoid censorship with, a return to the 'sneakernet' (or smaller, semi-private neighbourhood/town/city-wide, possibly wireless, networks).</p><p>The cat is long out of the bag. No matter how much they do, they're never going to get it in there again. The best they can do, in the long run, is limit the damage by giving people what they evidently want -- no DRM, low prices, convenient access, among other things.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it .
It 's an older quote , but it 's still accurate .
If the telcos start putting in more and more blocks , people will find ways around them .
Strong encryption ( as is already used in some BitTorrent clients ) , stenography , more decentralisation , and even , if things get pushed so far that such 'digital ' techniques are hard to avoid censorship with , a return to the 'sneakernet ' ( or smaller , semi-private neighbourhood/town/city-wide , possibly wireless , networks ) .The cat is long out of the bag .
No matter how much they do , they 're never going to get it in there again .
The best they can do , in the long run , is limit the damage by giving people what they evidently want -- no DRM , low prices , convenient access , among other things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.
It's an older quote, but it's still accurate.
If the telcos start putting in more and more blocks, people will find ways around them.
Strong encryption (as is already used in some BitTorrent clients), stenography, more decentralisation, and even, if things get pushed so far that such 'digital' techniques are hard to avoid censorship with, a return to the 'sneakernet' (or smaller, semi-private neighbourhood/town/city-wide, possibly wireless, networks).The cat is long out of the bag.
No matter how much they do, they're never going to get it in there again.
The best they can do, in the long run, is limit the damage by giving people what they evidently want -- no DRM, low prices, convenient access, among other things.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546876</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30549108</id>
	<title>Re:Ignore the gyrations of management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261675740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are nothing more than a dirty thief. Although, I know that you are a loser and you wont ever have $10 million to hire actors and engineers to create your own content and that is why you justify your stealing.</p><p>But don't worry, you'll understand once whatever you're smoking wears off. Or if you are eager to get some learnin', leave your name and address and I'll have the RIAA lawyers get in touch with you. I'd love to see what the judge thinks of your "Information wants to be free" defense. You people are seriously deluded..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are nothing more than a dirty thief .
Although , I know that you are a loser and you wont ever have $ 10 million to hire actors and engineers to create your own content and that is why you justify your stealing.But do n't worry , you 'll understand once whatever you 're smoking wears off .
Or if you are eager to get some learnin ' , leave your name and address and I 'll have the RIAA lawyers get in touch with you .
I 'd love to see what the judge thinks of your " Information wants to be free " defense .
You people are seriously deluded. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are nothing more than a dirty thief.
Although, I know that you are a loser and you wont ever have $10 million to hire actors and engineers to create your own content and that is why you justify your stealing.But don't worry, you'll understand once whatever you're smoking wears off.
Or if you are eager to get some learnin', leave your name and address and I'll have the RIAA lawyers get in touch with you.
I'd love to see what the judge thinks of your "Information wants to be free" defense.
You people are seriously deluded..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546580</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546500</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261688100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why is a US Court adjudicating a case involving a Canadian citizen and his Canadian website?</p></div><p>Beause the court finds that he has induced infringements taking place in the US. I think it's the same legal theory that'll let a US court prosecute you if you shoot someone standing on the US side of the border from Canada, though the Internet tends to make such logic absurd. Don't expect any sudden bursts of logic though.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is a US Court adjudicating a case involving a Canadian citizen and his Canadian website ? Beause the court finds that he has induced infringements taking place in the US .
I think it 's the same legal theory that 'll let a US court prosecute you if you shoot someone standing on the US side of the border from Canada , though the Internet tends to make such logic absurd .
Do n't expect any sudden bursts of logic though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is a US Court adjudicating a case involving a Canadian citizen and his Canadian website?Beause the court finds that he has induced infringements taking place in the US.
I think it's the same legal theory that'll let a US court prosecute you if you shoot someone standing on the US side of the border from Canada, though the Internet tends to make such logic absurd.
Don't expect any sudden bursts of logic though.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546388</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546678</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>eddy the lip</author>
	<datestamp>1261646820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Admittedly, I don't get it either, however we're pretty much joined at the hip with NAFTA and various other treaties. I'm really not sure what standing a ruling like this would have up here. It's almost certainly a bad thing for isoHunt, though.</p><p>More worrisome is that our currently (partially) elected government so desperately wants us to be the US that they've been going so far as to get the RIAA and the MPAA to consult on bills, so I wouldn't count on much government support for a Canadian citizen who has lost an American court case. Hell, they won't even go to bat for citizens held in other nations for various shady political reasons, in the US or other countries.</p><p>The only time you hear anything about Canadian sovereignty anymore is over the Arctic, during an election cycle.</p><p>Well. I went completely off topic. That's either rum or bitterness.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Admittedly , I do n't get it either , however we 're pretty much joined at the hip with NAFTA and various other treaties .
I 'm really not sure what standing a ruling like this would have up here .
It 's almost certainly a bad thing for isoHunt , though.More worrisome is that our currently ( partially ) elected government so desperately wants us to be the US that they 've been going so far as to get the RIAA and the MPAA to consult on bills , so I would n't count on much government support for a Canadian citizen who has lost an American court case .
Hell , they wo n't even go to bat for citizens held in other nations for various shady political reasons , in the US or other countries.The only time you hear anything about Canadian sovereignty anymore is over the Arctic , during an election cycle.Well .
I went completely off topic .
That 's either rum or bitterness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Admittedly, I don't get it either, however we're pretty much joined at the hip with NAFTA and various other treaties.
I'm really not sure what standing a ruling like this would have up here.
It's almost certainly a bad thing for isoHunt, though.More worrisome is that our currently (partially) elected government so desperately wants us to be the US that they've been going so far as to get the RIAA and the MPAA to consult on bills, so I wouldn't count on much government support for a Canadian citizen who has lost an American court case.
Hell, they won't even go to bat for citizens held in other nations for various shady political reasons, in the US or other countries.The only time you hear anything about Canadian sovereignty anymore is over the Arctic, during an election cycle.Well.
I went completely off topic.
That's either rum or bitterness.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546388</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546928</id>
	<title>Re:link to the judgment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261649040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed.  I read all 46 pages.  It's entertaining to watch a judge take slashbots favorite armchair legal defense for torrenting, rip its head off, and s**t down its neck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
I read all 46 pages .
It 's entertaining to watch a judge take slashbots favorite armchair legal defense for torrenting , rip its head off , and s * * t down its neck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
I read all 46 pages.
It's entertaining to watch a judge take slashbots favorite armchair legal defense for torrenting, rip its head off, and s**t down its neck.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546510</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546454</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>future assassin</author>
	<datestamp>1261687740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And were legally allowed to download music for personal use in Canada, yes he can't make it available for download but this should be up to Canadian courts to decided the sites faith.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And were legally allowed to download music for personal use in Canada , yes he ca n't make it available for download but this should be up to Canadian courts to decided the sites faith .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And were legally allowed to download music for personal use in Canada, yes he can't make it available for download but this should be up to Canadian courts to decided the sites faith.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546654</id>
	<title>Eh, so what</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261646340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Private media "clubs" are already taking care of this little problem. This is just another lesson that those who violate the law, no matter how unjust, shouldn't be bragging about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Private media " clubs " are already taking care of this little problem .
This is just another lesson that those who violate the law , no matter how unjust , should n't be bragging about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Private media "clubs" are already taking care of this little problem.
This is just another lesson that those who violate the law, no matter how unjust, shouldn't be bragging about it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546940</id>
	<title>U.S. lawyers think they apply everywhere...</title>
	<author>meerling</author>
	<datestamp>1261649160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let me tell you of a common occurrence with U.S. lawyers and tech support.<br>(This happens a lot, usually when they insist on you knowing they are a lawyer, as if that has anything to do with computer savvy.... The ones that only bring up being a lawyer in passing, tend to be normal.)<br><br>Call comes in, introductions proceed, lawyer makes a point of letting you know he's a lawyer.<br>For whatever reason, you have to have the caller read something off the screen. (sysinfo, error message, whatever)<br>Caller claims they can't read it.<br>After checking why, the reason is that the caller has usually set the highest screen res and the smallest font size. End result, it's too bloody small for them to read.<br>Tell them to change settings so the text is readable.<br>Caller refuses, insisting that they have to have 2 pages of text on screen at the same time...<br>Techie fumes, why does this moron need two pages of text too small to read on screen at the same time when he's called into tech support to fix a problem not related to those two pages?!?!?!<br><br>Please note the inability of the caller to read anything on his screen, but his absolute insistence that he must keep it that way so he can display two pages of (unreadable) text.<br><br>Yeah, those types suck. The other ego-moron job you have to deal with is the ones that insist that you call them Doctor. (And I don't mean Doctor Who.)<br><br>And they call us geeks...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me tell you of a common occurrence with U.S. lawyers and tech support .
( This happens a lot , usually when they insist on you knowing they are a lawyer , as if that has anything to do with computer savvy.... The ones that only bring up being a lawyer in passing , tend to be normal .
) Call comes in , introductions proceed , lawyer makes a point of letting you know he 's a lawyer.For whatever reason , you have to have the caller read something off the screen .
( sysinfo , error message , whatever ) Caller claims they ca n't read it.After checking why , the reason is that the caller has usually set the highest screen res and the smallest font size .
End result , it 's too bloody small for them to read.Tell them to change settings so the text is readable.Caller refuses , insisting that they have to have 2 pages of text on screen at the same time...Techie fumes , why does this moron need two pages of text too small to read on screen at the same time when he 's called into tech support to fix a problem not related to those two pages ? ! ? ! ?
! Please note the inability of the caller to read anything on his screen , but his absolute insistence that he must keep it that way so he can display two pages of ( unreadable ) text.Yeah , those types suck .
The other ego-moron job you have to deal with is the ones that insist that you call them Doctor .
( And I do n't mean Doctor Who .
) And they call us geeks.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me tell you of a common occurrence with U.S. lawyers and tech support.
(This happens a lot, usually when they insist on you knowing they are a lawyer, as if that has anything to do with computer savvy.... The ones that only bring up being a lawyer in passing, tend to be normal.
)Call comes in, introductions proceed, lawyer makes a point of letting you know he's a lawyer.For whatever reason, you have to have the caller read something off the screen.
(sysinfo, error message, whatever)Caller claims they can't read it.After checking why, the reason is that the caller has usually set the highest screen res and the smallest font size.
End result, it's too bloody small for them to read.Tell them to change settings so the text is readable.Caller refuses, insisting that they have to have 2 pages of text on screen at the same time...Techie fumes, why does this moron need two pages of text too small to read on screen at the same time when he's called into tech support to fix a problem not related to those two pages?!?!?
!Please note the inability of the caller to read anything on his screen, but his absolute insistence that he must keep it that way so he can display two pages of (unreadable) text.Yeah, those types suck.
The other ego-moron job you have to deal with is the ones that insist that you call them Doctor.
(And I don't mean Doctor Who.
)And they call us geeks...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547012</id>
	<title>Re:Ignore the gyrations of management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261650120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Baloney. If the MPAA shuts down all the major torrent indexing sites then about 80\% of pirating will go away. Sure, extremely tech-savvy people will still pirate, but 99\% of people are not tech-savvy enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Baloney .
If the MPAA shuts down all the major torrent indexing sites then about 80 \ % of pirating will go away .
Sure , extremely tech-savvy people will still pirate , but 99 \ % of people are not tech-savvy enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Baloney.
If the MPAA shuts down all the major torrent indexing sites then about 80\% of pirating will go away.
Sure, extremely tech-savvy people will still pirate, but 99\% of people are not tech-savvy enough.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546580</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546668</id>
	<title>Oblig.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261646580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could ever imagine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you strike me down , I shall become more powerful than you could ever imagine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could ever imagine.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546630</id>
	<title>Inducing copyright infringement</title>
	<author>pembo13</author>
	<datestamp>1261646100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I assume this is one of those charges that they don't intend to pursue fairly, as FBI warnings, and DVD encryption have done a lot more towards "Inducing copyright infringement" than isoHunt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I assume this is one of those charges that they do n't intend to pursue fairly , as FBI warnings , and DVD encryption have done a lot more towards " Inducing copyright infringement " than isoHunt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I assume this is one of those charges that they don't intend to pursue fairly, as FBI warnings, and DVD encryption have done a lot more towards "Inducing copyright infringement" than isoHunt.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547876</id>
	<title>Re:Ignore the gyrations of management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261657500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You understand nothing.</p><p>The weak point of a torrent is that you have to get into the swarm somehow and, no matter how you vet them, there have to be enough people in the swarm to make it worthwhile.  Once you get in, you know all the IPs of the participants.  Game over, no matter how much encryption or decentralization you use.</p><p>As for sneakernet, if you have to fall back to that, the MPAA and RIAA have won, period.  They're more than willing to tolerate that level of piracy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You understand nothing.The weak point of a torrent is that you have to get into the swarm somehow and , no matter how you vet them , there have to be enough people in the swarm to make it worthwhile .
Once you get in , you know all the IPs of the participants .
Game over , no matter how much encryption or decentralization you use.As for sneakernet , if you have to fall back to that , the MPAA and RIAA have won , period .
They 're more than willing to tolerate that level of piracy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You understand nothing.The weak point of a torrent is that you have to get into the swarm somehow and, no matter how you vet them, there have to be enough people in the swarm to make it worthwhile.
Once you get in, you know all the IPs of the participants.
Game over, no matter how much encryption or decentralization you use.As for sneakernet, if you have to fall back to that, the MPAA and RIAA have won, period.
They're more than willing to tolerate that level of piracy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546444</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>Ironsides</author>
	<datestamp>1261687680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you familiar with the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne\_Convention\_for\_the\_Protection\_of\_Literary\_and\_Artistic\_Works" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Berne Convention?</a> [wikipedia.org]  My guess would be proving infringement in the US is a first step to getting it shut down in Canada.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you familiar with the Berne Convention ?
[ wikipedia.org ] My guess would be proving infringement in the US is a first step to getting it shut down in Canada .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you familiar with the Berne Convention?
[wikipedia.org]  My guess would be proving infringement in the US is a first step to getting it shut down in Canada.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546388</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30553242</id>
	<title>Re:Most BitTorrent sites submit entries to Google</title>
	<author>Floritard</author>
	<datestamp>1261745820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually the word "torrent" is almost completely unnecessary anymore. You're flooded with torrent and rapidshare results on anything you Google. I typically have to add "-torrent" to everything I search for so I can avoid these results and actually get to the real information on a product in which I'm interested.
<br> <br>
Although by the nature of Google's ranking system, the fact that torrents rank so high tells you a lot about what it is that interests people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually the word " torrent " is almost completely unnecessary anymore .
You 're flooded with torrent and rapidshare results on anything you Google .
I typically have to add " -torrent " to everything I search for so I can avoid these results and actually get to the real information on a product in which I 'm interested .
Although by the nature of Google 's ranking system , the fact that torrents rank so high tells you a lot about what it is that interests people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually the word "torrent" is almost completely unnecessary anymore.
You're flooded with torrent and rapidshare results on anything you Google.
I typically have to add "-torrent" to everything I search for so I can avoid these results and actually get to the real information on a product in which I'm interested.
Although by the nature of Google's ranking system, the fact that torrents rank so high tells you a lot about what it is that interests people.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546766</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546766</id>
	<title>Most BitTorrent sites submit entries to Google</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261647540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>so will the MAFIAA then sue Google for caching the Torrent entries and listing links to them in their search engine?</p><p>Don't believe me, do a Google search by adding the word "torrent" to any downloadable product type.</p><p>Google "$show torrents" sometime and see what happens.</p><p>Google "Windows 7 Ultimate torrent" and see what happens.</p><p>Google "Elvis torrent" and see what happens.</p><p>Did you find some links to torrent sites and entries that allows a person to download a torrent? Google is becoming a massive torrent search engine. But the MAFIAA won't sue Google because they are too big a target and have expensive lawyers on their side.</p><p>All ISOHunt and other torrent sites are just search engines like Google, but they differ from Google in that they host BitTorrent trackers and torrent files.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so will the MAFIAA then sue Google for caching the Torrent entries and listing links to them in their search engine ? Do n't believe me , do a Google search by adding the word " torrent " to any downloadable product type.Google " $ show torrents " sometime and see what happens.Google " Windows 7 Ultimate torrent " and see what happens.Google " Elvis torrent " and see what happens.Did you find some links to torrent sites and entries that allows a person to download a torrent ?
Google is becoming a massive torrent search engine .
But the MAFIAA wo n't sue Google because they are too big a target and have expensive lawyers on their side.All ISOHunt and other torrent sites are just search engines like Google , but they differ from Google in that they host BitTorrent trackers and torrent files .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so will the MAFIAA then sue Google for caching the Torrent entries and listing links to them in their search engine?Don't believe me, do a Google search by adding the word "torrent" to any downloadable product type.Google "$show torrents" sometime and see what happens.Google "Windows 7 Ultimate torrent" and see what happens.Google "Elvis torrent" and see what happens.Did you find some links to torrent sites and entries that allows a person to download a torrent?
Google is becoming a massive torrent search engine.
But the MAFIAA won't sue Google because they are too big a target and have expensive lawyers on their side.All ISOHunt and other torrent sites are just search engines like Google, but they differ from Google in that they host BitTorrent trackers and torrent files.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547302</id>
	<title>Nothing to see here.</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1261652700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The plain language of the "safe harbor" provision makes it clear that the defense is not available when inducement is involved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The plain language of the " safe harbor " provision makes it clear that the defense is not available when inducement is involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The plain language of the "safe harbor" provision makes it clear that the defense is not available when inducement is involved.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30548272</id>
	<title>Please elaborate!  Thank you :)</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1261662120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you download a file from a Canadian server then you acquired the material in Canada and imported into the U.S. That's on you, the importer.</p></div><p>Interesting!  Very interesting.  Sorry, I can't mod you up and also ask you some questions.  Someone else please mod my parent up.</p><p>So, why is it <em>you</em> who's importing and not the Canadian server (which then proceeds to deliver the bits to your house like a postman)?  Why isn't the Canadian server setting up an on-demand import-and-deliver service?</p><p>Is it because you sent the SYN and they sent the SYN/ACK?  Is it because you sent the GET and they sent the 200 OK?</p><p>Suppose you downloaded the bits via SMTP, is it still the same answer?  Now suppose you connect via SMTP and ask for some bits, then use the TURN command and let them ask your for some bits.  If they do, are they now importing from your country (let's say the US) into Canada?  Or are you importing into Canada and delivering to their door?  If you know any other "mutual protocols", where no one party is well-defined as the initiator, or the initiator role is unimportant to what happens when speaking that protocol, please include answers for those too.</p><p>Also, while taking legal advice from strangers on the internet is Fun And Safe (tm), do you have anything to back up your assertion?  Any prior cases or something of that sort (sorry I don't know the jargon terms for the things of that sort)?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you download a file from a Canadian server then you acquired the material in Canada and imported into the U.S. That 's on you , the importer.Interesting !
Very interesting .
Sorry , I ca n't mod you up and also ask you some questions .
Someone else please mod my parent up.So , why is it you who 's importing and not the Canadian server ( which then proceeds to deliver the bits to your house like a postman ) ?
Why is n't the Canadian server setting up an on-demand import-and-deliver service ? Is it because you sent the SYN and they sent the SYN/ACK ?
Is it because you sent the GET and they sent the 200 OK ? Suppose you downloaded the bits via SMTP , is it still the same answer ?
Now suppose you connect via SMTP and ask for some bits , then use the TURN command and let them ask your for some bits .
If they do , are they now importing from your country ( let 's say the US ) into Canada ?
Or are you importing into Canada and delivering to their door ?
If you know any other " mutual protocols " , where no one party is well-defined as the initiator , or the initiator role is unimportant to what happens when speaking that protocol , please include answers for those too.Also , while taking legal advice from strangers on the internet is Fun And Safe ( tm ) , do you have anything to back up your assertion ?
Any prior cases or something of that sort ( sorry I do n't know the jargon terms for the things of that sort ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you download a file from a Canadian server then you acquired the material in Canada and imported into the U.S. That's on you, the importer.Interesting!
Very interesting.
Sorry, I can't mod you up and also ask you some questions.
Someone else please mod my parent up.So, why is it you who's importing and not the Canadian server (which then proceeds to deliver the bits to your house like a postman)?
Why isn't the Canadian server setting up an on-demand import-and-deliver service?Is it because you sent the SYN and they sent the SYN/ACK?
Is it because you sent the GET and they sent the 200 OK?Suppose you downloaded the bits via SMTP, is it still the same answer?
Now suppose you connect via SMTP and ask for some bits, then use the TURN command and let them ask your for some bits.
If they do, are they now importing from your country (let's say the US) into Canada?
Or are you importing into Canada and delivering to their door?
If you know any other "mutual protocols", where no one party is well-defined as the initiator, or the initiator role is unimportant to what happens when speaking that protocol, please include answers for those too.Also, while taking legal advice from strangers on the internet is Fun And Safe (tm), do you have anything to back up your assertion?
Any prior cases or something of that sort (sorry I don't know the jargon terms for the things of that sort)?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547442</id>
	<title>Didn't you know - America rules the world</title>
	<author>Snaller</author>
	<datestamp>1261653900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Until the Chinese tell them otherwise<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Until the Chinese tell them otherwise ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until the Chinese tell them otherwise ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546496</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1261688040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The judgment says why the court believes they have jurisdiction.</p><p>Of course getting a judgment enforced is another matter, but not one that the court worries about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The judgment says why the court believes they have jurisdiction.Of course getting a judgment enforced is another matter , but not one that the court worries about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The judgment says why the court believes they have jurisdiction.Of course getting a judgment enforced is another matter, but not one that the court worries about.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547128</id>
	<title>Re:Ignore the gyrations of management</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1261651140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I used to read stuff like this and get upset. But then I realized that my entire generation knows it's baloney. They can't explain it intellectually.</p> </div><p>They don't have to, since they have bought the legal system.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to read stuff like this and get upset .
But then I realized that my entire generation knows it 's baloney .
They ca n't explain it intellectually .
They do n't have to , since they have bought the legal system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to read stuff like this and get upset.
But then I realized that my entire generation knows it's baloney.
They can't explain it intellectually.
They don't have to, since they have bought the legal system.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30549326</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261678920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Inducing infringement" sounds more like the <a href="http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/ip/wct/trtdocs\_wo033.html" title="wipo.int" rel="nofollow">WIPO copyright treaty</a> [wipo.int], in fact it is mentioned there in Article 12, Paragraph 1.</p><p>The Berne Convention may make it clear that artists get a some rights automatically, but not that an action other than copying and translating (and other things which are directly listed in that convention) by 3rd parties are an infringement on these rights.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Inducing infringement " sounds more like the WIPO copyright treaty [ wipo.int ] , in fact it is mentioned there in Article 12 , Paragraph 1.The Berne Convention may make it clear that artists get a some rights automatically , but not that an action other than copying and translating ( and other things which are directly listed in that convention ) by 3rd parties are an infringement on these rights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Inducing infringement" sounds more like the WIPO copyright treaty [wipo.int], in fact it is mentioned there in Article 12, Paragraph 1.The Berne Convention may make it clear that artists get a some rights automatically, but not that an action other than copying and translating (and other things which are directly listed in that convention) by 3rd parties are an infringement on these rights.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547104</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1261650960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Why is a US Court adjudicating a case involving a Canadian citizen and his Canadian website?"</p><p>Canada will be assimilated sooner or later. Consider this a practice run.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Why is a US Court adjudicating a case involving a Canadian citizen and his Canadian website ?
" Canada will be assimilated sooner or later .
Consider this a practice run .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Why is a US Court adjudicating a case involving a Canadian citizen and his Canadian website?
"Canada will be assimilated sooner or later.
Consider this a practice run.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30548822</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1261671540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because US courts regularily consider their area of jurisdiction to extend to every place they damn well please.</p><p>I was sued in California in the DeCSS case. I live in Germany, my webserver lives in Germany, and have never been to California in my life. Court doesn't care. Lawyer told me I'd have to make a "special appearance to challenge personal jurisdiction".</p><p>The really cool part is:</p><p>If you do anything to defend yourself - except the mentioned "special appearance, during which you absolutely <b>need</b> a lawyer, because you can't say <b>anything</b> in addition to jurisdiction or you fall into the trap - so if you do anything at all to defend yourself, you automatically accept the jurisdiction.</p><p>If you do nothing, the other side can ask for a default judgement against you.</p><p>Nice, isn't it?</p><p>That's how US courts routinely judge issues on persons who've never been to the US, know nobody in the US, have no other contacts into the US, simply because someone from the US could theoretically have accessed their website.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because US courts regularily consider their area of jurisdiction to extend to every place they damn well please.I was sued in California in the DeCSS case .
I live in Germany , my webserver lives in Germany , and have never been to California in my life .
Court does n't care .
Lawyer told me I 'd have to make a " special appearance to challenge personal jurisdiction " .The really cool part is : If you do anything to defend yourself - except the mentioned " special appearance , during which you absolutely need a lawyer , because you ca n't say anything in addition to jurisdiction or you fall into the trap - so if you do anything at all to defend yourself , you automatically accept the jurisdiction.If you do nothing , the other side can ask for a default judgement against you.Nice , is n't it ? That 's how US courts routinely judge issues on persons who 've never been to the US , know nobody in the US , have no other contacts into the US , simply because someone from the US could theoretically have accessed their website .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because US courts regularily consider their area of jurisdiction to extend to every place they damn well please.I was sued in California in the DeCSS case.
I live in Germany, my webserver lives in Germany, and have never been to California in my life.
Court doesn't care.
Lawyer told me I'd have to make a "special appearance to challenge personal jurisdiction".The really cool part is:If you do anything to defend yourself - except the mentioned "special appearance, during which you absolutely need a lawyer, because you can't say anything in addition to jurisdiction or you fall into the trap - so if you do anything at all to defend yourself, you automatically accept the jurisdiction.If you do nothing, the other side can ask for a default judgement against you.Nice, isn't it?That's how US courts routinely judge issues on persons who've never been to the US, know nobody in the US, have no other contacts into the US, simply because someone from the US could theoretically have accessed their website.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546388</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30548434</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>Pinhedd</author>
	<datestamp>1261664640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The site was located in the US initially when this suit was filed and was moved to Canada after an ISP pulled the plug</htmltext>
<tokenext>The site was located in the US initially when this suit was filed and was moved to Canada after an ISP pulled the plug</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The site was located in the US initially when this suit was filed and was moved to Canada after an ISP pulled the plug</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546388</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547194</id>
	<title>Re:Is there a way for a US judgement to be enforce</title>
	<author>Snaller</author>
	<datestamp>1261651680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they don't comply, the US will invade and liberate those IsoHunt hold captive!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they do n't comply , the US will invade and liberate those IsoHunt hold captive !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they don't comply, the US will invade and liberate those IsoHunt hold captive!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546332</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30548720</id>
	<title>OneSwarm Freenet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261669980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Freenet.</p><p>OneSwarm.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Freenet.OneSwarm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Freenet.OneSwarm.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546840</id>
	<title>Re:International "Commerce"</title>
	<author>shaitand</author>
	<datestamp>1261648140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People may be illegally importing said material into the U.S. but ISOHunt is doing what its doing in Canada and therefore falls under their laws.</p><p>If you download a file from a Canadian server then you acquired the material in Canada and imported into the U.S. That's on you, the importer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People may be illegally importing said material into the U.S. but ISOHunt is doing what its doing in Canada and therefore falls under their laws.If you download a file from a Canadian server then you acquired the material in Canada and imported into the U.S. That 's on you , the importer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People may be illegally importing said material into the U.S. but ISOHunt is doing what its doing in Canada and therefore falls under their laws.If you download a file from a Canadian server then you acquired the material in Canada and imported into the U.S. That's on you, the importer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546446</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547352</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>socsoc</author>
	<datestamp>1261653180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>not everyone has PACER, some of us have to rely on RECAP<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</htmltext>
<tokenext>not everyone has PACER , some of us have to rely on RECAP : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>not everyone has PACER, some of us have to rely on RECAP :(</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546504</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30548350</id>
	<title>Re:International "Commerce"</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1261663440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they have a big enough army to punish you for it, then yes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they have a big enough army to punish you for it , then yes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they have a big enough army to punish you for it, then yes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546712</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547824</id>
	<title>Re:Ignore the gyrations of management</title>
	<author>michaelhood</author>
	<datestamp>1261656960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And all the technological, legal, and philosophical barriers in the world amount to nothing because there's a small core of people like you and I, here on slashdot, that do understand the implications of what they're doing and we continually search for ways to screw them over and liberate their goods and services for "sale" on the grey market. It is, economically and politically, structurally identical to the Prohibition, except that instead of smuggling liquor we are smuggling digital files.</p></div><p>I'm not disagreeing with your thesis overall, but let's not be intellectually dishonest here.</p><p>During the Prohibition era, the manufacturers of the alcohol were paid for their goods.. it just wasn't legal to pay them.</p><p>Of course, in this case, one will argue that people are making copies and not taking original items. This is why it's an intellectually dishonest analogy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And all the technological , legal , and philosophical barriers in the world amount to nothing because there 's a small core of people like you and I , here on slashdot , that do understand the implications of what they 're doing and we continually search for ways to screw them over and liberate their goods and services for " sale " on the grey market .
It is , economically and politically , structurally identical to the Prohibition , except that instead of smuggling liquor we are smuggling digital files.I 'm not disagreeing with your thesis overall , but let 's not be intellectually dishonest here.During the Prohibition era , the manufacturers of the alcohol were paid for their goods.. it just was n't legal to pay them.Of course , in this case , one will argue that people are making copies and not taking original items .
This is why it 's an intellectually dishonest analogy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And all the technological, legal, and philosophical barriers in the world amount to nothing because there's a small core of people like you and I, here on slashdot, that do understand the implications of what they're doing and we continually search for ways to screw them over and liberate their goods and services for "sale" on the grey market.
It is, economically and politically, structurally identical to the Prohibition, except that instead of smuggling liquor we are smuggling digital files.I'm not disagreeing with your thesis overall, but let's not be intellectually dishonest here.During the Prohibition era, the manufacturers of the alcohol were paid for their goods.. it just wasn't legal to pay them.Of course, in this case, one will argue that people are making copies and not taking original items.
This is why it's an intellectually dishonest analogy.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30550916</id>
	<title>Re:International "Commerce"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261757220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or in Australia, alternatively, a website is published where it is read (gutnick) so it really does depend where you are...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or in Australia , alternatively , a website is published where it is read ( gutnick ) so it really does depend where you are.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or in Australia, alternatively, a website is published where it is read (gutnick) so it really does depend where you are...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546840</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546976</id>
	<title>Re:Ignore the gyrations of management</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261649580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the fact that you can now buy songs for less than a dollar online pretty much invalidates your entire point here.  Stealing is stealing, just like the assholes at grocery that eat grapes before they get to the checkout.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the fact that you can now buy songs for less than a dollar online pretty much invalidates your entire point here .
Stealing is stealing , just like the assholes at grocery that eat grapes before they get to the checkout .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the fact that you can now buy songs for less than a dollar online pretty much invalidates your entire point here.
Stealing is stealing, just like the assholes at grocery that eat grapes before they get to the checkout.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546580</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30548650</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>AmberBlackCat</author>
	<datestamp>1261668600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They should make the plaintiff prove somebody in the United States accessed the website.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They should make the plaintiff prove somebody in the United States accessed the website .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should make the plaintiff prove somebody in the United States accessed the website.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546500</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30549568</id>
	<title>Ah, a RIAA-paid troll</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261683300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...go away.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...go away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...go away.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546728</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30548326</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1261663020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually with ACTA it will soon expand far beyond that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually with ACTA it will soon expand far beyond that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually with ACTA it will soon expand far beyond that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546598</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30547342</id>
	<title>Re:International "Commerce"</title>
	<author>socsoc</author>
	<datestamp>1261653120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>They only thing you are knowingly downloading from Canada is a torrent file, which contains no copyrighted information. The rest of the the world while fulfilling that torrent and unless you rDNS or geolocate each IP, accurately, your logic is pretty faulty.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They only thing you are knowingly downloading from Canada is a torrent file , which contains no copyrighted information .
The rest of the the world while fulfilling that torrent and unless you rDNS or geolocate each IP , accurately , your logic is pretty faulty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They only thing you are knowingly downloading from Canada is a torrent file, which contains no copyrighted information.
The rest of the the world while fulfilling that torrent and unless you rDNS or geolocate each IP, accurately, your logic is pretty faulty.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546840</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30549170</id>
	<title>Very Poor Precedent</title>
	<author>Sinesurfer</author>
	<datestamp>1261676400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If ISOhunt is guity of inducing a crime (for a which a specific law does not apply to inducement) then the gun countries is guilty of inducing homicide, tobacco companies guilty of inducing assault by inflicting cancer on their customers and don't get me started on the car companies and the number of people that are injured and killed when a vehicle is misused.</p><p>To hold ISOhunt responsible for their users actions then there is a precedent to hold ALL manufacturers responsible for their users actions.</p><p>This is a terrible precedent and appears to place a greater protection on property than people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If ISOhunt is guity of inducing a crime ( for a which a specific law does not apply to inducement ) then the gun countries is guilty of inducing homicide , tobacco companies guilty of inducing assault by inflicting cancer on their customers and do n't get me started on the car companies and the number of people that are injured and killed when a vehicle is misused.To hold ISOhunt responsible for their users actions then there is a precedent to hold ALL manufacturers responsible for their users actions.This is a terrible precedent and appears to place a greater protection on property than people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If ISOhunt is guity of inducing a crime (for a which a specific law does not apply to inducement) then the gun countries is guilty of inducing homicide, tobacco companies guilty of inducing assault by inflicting cancer on their customers and don't get me started on the car companies and the number of people that are injured and killed when a vehicle is misused.To hold ISOhunt responsible for their users actions then there is a precedent to hold ALL manufacturers responsible for their users actions.This is a terrible precedent and appears to place a greater protection on property than people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546914</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>Xenaero</author>
	<datestamp>1261648860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would assume that there were some measure of having a judiciary 'link' to where the US could provide its proof to the Canadian courts and have them decide the matter with their own system using the information the findings of the US courts provided.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would assume that there were some measure of having a judiciary 'link ' to where the US could provide its proof to the Canadian courts and have them decide the matter with their own system using the information the findings of the US courts provided .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would assume that there were some measure of having a judiciary 'link' to where the US could provide its proof to the Canadian courts and have them decide the matter with their own system using the information the findings of the US courts provided.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546444</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546508</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1261688100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I blame Mexico.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I blame Mexico .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I blame Mexico.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_24_1411249.30546388</parent>
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