<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_23_2013219</id>
	<title>VLC Team Announces Video Editor In the Works</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1261559460000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>eldavojohn writes <i>"Despite news that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLC\_media\_player">VLC</a> <a href="http://apple.slashdot.org/story/09/12/16/2145251/Lack-of-Manpower-May-Kill-VLC-For-Mac">might not have anyone to work on the Mac release</a>, Lifehacker brings word of a <a href="http://lifehacker.com/5432946/vlc-team-working-on-a-cross+platform-video-editor">video editor that the VLC team is working on</a> dubbed <a href="http://vlmc.org/">VideoLAN Media Creator</a>.  It  <a href="http://github.com/VLMC">hasn't been released yet</a> (git clone git://github.com/VLMC/vlmc.git) but a pre-release is due out soon."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>eldavojohn writes " Despite news that VLC might not have anyone to work on the Mac release , Lifehacker brings word of a video editor that the VLC team is working on dubbed VideoLAN Media Creator .
It has n't been released yet ( git clone git : //github.com/VLMC/vlmc.git ) but a pre-release is due out soon .
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<sentencetext>eldavojohn writes "Despite news that VLC might not have anyone to work on the Mac release, Lifehacker brings word of a video editor that the VLC team is working on dubbed VideoLAN Media Creator.
It  hasn't been released yet (git clone git://github.com/VLMC/vlmc.git) but a pre-release is due out soon.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30538976</id>
	<title>Finally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259749140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been waiting for this for a long time.  I find it frustrating that I can play basically any video format at any resolution, while not being able to transcode.  My computer obviously understands the video files, so why can't I take an<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.mpeg file and easily save it to quicktime format?  All the open source video editing/transcoding tools are trash right now.  A VLC video editor is going to be really awesome.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been waiting for this for a long time .
I find it frustrating that I can play basically any video format at any resolution , while not being able to transcode .
My computer obviously understands the video files , so why ca n't I take an .mpeg file and easily save it to quicktime format ?
All the open source video editing/transcoding tools are trash right now .
A VLC video editor is going to be really awesome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been waiting for this for a long time.
I find it frustrating that I can play basically any video format at any resolution, while not being able to transcode.
My computer obviously understands the video files, so why can't I take an .mpeg file and easily save it to quicktime format?
All the open source video editing/transcoding tools are trash right now.
A VLC video editor is going to be really awesome.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539012</id>
	<title>Re:Great!</title>
	<author>clone53421</author>
	<datestamp>1259749260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>VLC is great when it comes to playing media. I really can&rsquo;t find fault with it on that front.</p><p>When it comes to encoding media... well, it&rsquo;s good enough... usually... if you don&rsquo;t mind playing with it a bit. (Admittedly it does seem better than it used to be. I used to find that more often than not the encoder would crash with some odd error in the message log.) It doesn&rsquo;t seem to always create portable files &ndash; I&rsquo;ve had output files that only played in VLC, or wouldn&rsquo;t seek properly, etc. It can&rsquo;t simultaneously capture the screen and the stereo mix (I have a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.js that launches two copies &ndash; one to capture the screen, one to capture the stereo mix &ndash; and must recombine the separate video/audio tracks in an external video editing suite). Minor details like that...</p><p>I&rsquo;m going to approach this with a considerable amount of skepticism until I find out how well this video editing feature works, unfortunately.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>VLC is great when it comes to playing media .
I really can    t find fault with it on that front.When it comes to encoding media... well , it    s good enough... usually... if you don    t mind playing with it a bit .
( Admittedly it does seem better than it used to be .
I used to find that more often than not the encoder would crash with some odd error in the message log .
) It doesn    t seem to always create portable files    I    ve had output files that only played in VLC , or wouldn    t seek properly , etc .
It can    t simultaneously capture the screen and the stereo mix ( I have a .js that launches two copies    one to capture the screen , one to capture the stereo mix    and must recombine the separate video/audio tracks in an external video editing suite ) .
Minor details like that...I    m going to approach this with a considerable amount of skepticism until I find out how well this video editing feature works , unfortunately .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>VLC is great when it comes to playing media.
I really can’t find fault with it on that front.When it comes to encoding media... well, it’s good enough... usually... if you don’t mind playing with it a bit.
(Admittedly it does seem better than it used to be.
I used to find that more often than not the encoder would crash with some odd error in the message log.
) It doesn’t seem to always create portable files – I’ve had output files that only played in VLC, or wouldn’t seek properly, etc.
It can’t simultaneously capture the screen and the stereo mix (I have a .js that launches two copies – one to capture the screen, one to capture the stereo mix – and must recombine the separate video/audio tracks in an external video editing suite).
Minor details like that...I’m going to approach this with a considerable amount of skepticism until I find out how well this video editing feature works, unfortunately.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30540308</id>
	<title>Video Lan Media Center? Avid?  Bad Achronym.</title>
	<author>im\_thatoneguy</author>
	<datestamp>1259758560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's what I read when I read VLMC.   MC is a bad acronym.    It's also is potentially in conflict with Avid Media Composer (MC) which is an editing application.</p><p>Time to go back to the drawing board on that name.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what I read when I read VLMC .
MC is a bad acronym .
It 's also is potentially in conflict with Avid Media Composer ( MC ) which is an editing application.Time to go back to the drawing board on that name .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what I read when I read VLMC.
MC is a bad acronym.
It's also is potentially in conflict with Avid Media Composer (MC) which is an editing application.Time to go back to the drawing board on that name.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539390</id>
	<title>Gstreamer and MLT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259751960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess I'll be the first to give a shout-out to <a href="http://www.pitivi.org/" title="pitivi.org" rel="nofollow">Pitivi</a> [pitivi.org] and <a href="http://www.openshotvideo.com/" title="openshotvideo.com" rel="nofollow">Open Shot Video</a> [openshotvideo.com].</p><p>Reading Jonathan Thomas' ( Open Shot Video ) valiant attempt at creating a NLE from <a href="http://gnonlin.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">Gstreamer/Gnonlin</a> [sourceforge.net]  it appears that the Gnonlin API/toolkit/whatever is VERY confusing to program a video editor in ( and unstable ). But since Jonathan chose  <a href="http://www.mltframework.org/twiki/bin/view/MLT/" title="mltframework.org" rel="nofollow">MLT</a> [mltframework.org] things are rapidly moving along for him.  I often wonder why KDEnlive is so unstable because Kino is rock solid ( for me ) and it is also based on Dan Dennedy's impressive MLT toolkit.</p><p>But I truly believe that Pitivi will be the defacto NLE on linux.  For the sole reason that Gstreamer is the defacto multimedia framework.  It will probably be another five years before Pitivi is really a good stable functional application, and I say that because it took Gstreamer 10 years to do the same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess I 'll be the first to give a shout-out to Pitivi [ pitivi.org ] and Open Shot Video [ openshotvideo.com ] .Reading Jonathan Thomas ' ( Open Shot Video ) valiant attempt at creating a NLE from Gstreamer/Gnonlin [ sourceforge.net ] it appears that the Gnonlin API/toolkit/whatever is VERY confusing to program a video editor in ( and unstable ) .
But since Jonathan chose MLT [ mltframework.org ] things are rapidly moving along for him .
I often wonder why KDEnlive is so unstable because Kino is rock solid ( for me ) and it is also based on Dan Dennedy 's impressive MLT toolkit.But I truly believe that Pitivi will be the defacto NLE on linux .
For the sole reason that Gstreamer is the defacto multimedia framework .
It will probably be another five years before Pitivi is really a good stable functional application , and I say that because it took Gstreamer 10 years to do the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess I'll be the first to give a shout-out to Pitivi [pitivi.org] and Open Shot Video [openshotvideo.com].Reading Jonathan Thomas' ( Open Shot Video ) valiant attempt at creating a NLE from Gstreamer/Gnonlin [sourceforge.net]  it appears that the Gnonlin API/toolkit/whatever is VERY confusing to program a video editor in ( and unstable ).
But since Jonathan chose  MLT [mltframework.org] things are rapidly moving along for him.
I often wonder why KDEnlive is so unstable because Kino is rock solid ( for me ) and it is also based on Dan Dennedy's impressive MLT toolkit.But I truly believe that Pitivi will be the defacto NLE on linux.
For the sole reason that Gstreamer is the defacto multimedia framework.
It will probably be another five years before Pitivi is really a good stable functional application, and I say that because it took Gstreamer 10 years to do the same.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539046</id>
	<title>oh no!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259749500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It hasn't been released yet (<strong>git clone</strong> git://github.com/VLMC/vlmc.git)</p></div></blockquote><p>They&rsquo;re out to get me!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It has n't been released yet ( git clone git : //github.com/VLMC/vlmc.git ) They    re out to get me !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It hasn't been released yet (git clone git://github.com/VLMC/vlmc.git)They’re out to get me!
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30540008</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah yeah! Oh, yeah!</title>
	<author>miruku</author>
	<datestamp>1259756460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.pitivi.org/" title="pitivi.org">PiTiVi</a> [pitivi.org] (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PiTiVi" title="wikipedia.org">wp</a> [wikipedia.org]) seems interesting, not tried it myself so far.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>PiTiVi [ pitivi.org ] ( wp [ wikipedia.org ] ) seems interesting , not tried it myself so far .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PiTiVi [pitivi.org] (wp [wikipedia.org]) seems interesting, not tried it myself so far.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30540072</id>
	<title>Re:Gstreamer and MLT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259756820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thanks for the Open Shot Video reference, I didn't know that one yet.</p><p>I'm still a bit sceptical of Pitivi. I sure looks great on paper but in the current state has almost less features than Kino (despite not really being brand new any more). It's still got a long way to go before even reaching the class that Cinelerra plays in (feature wise, don't get me started on stability) and even Cinelerra can't really keep up with what's available on other platforms (Edius, Premiere, Final Cut).</p><p>There's also Lumiera, the rewrite of Cinelerra that could be interesting, but it's still way to early to see if that will make it past Vapourware status.</p><p>As for VLC: I do love the player for its ability to read almost anything, but it's UI does not strike me as intuitive, accessible or easy to use and that certainly is not a good start for an NLE.The menus with the submenus and subsubmenus... the preferences dialogs, the convert/stream dialog, the playlist. There's no consistency between them and finding an option can be a real hassle. Plus, as others mentioned, the encoding part often goes wrong for no apparent reason.</p><p>I guess only time will tell... in any case, developers sure are not helped by the multitude of frameworks for audio, video and UI handling out there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for the Open Shot Video reference , I did n't know that one yet.I 'm still a bit sceptical of Pitivi .
I sure looks great on paper but in the current state has almost less features than Kino ( despite not really being brand new any more ) .
It 's still got a long way to go before even reaching the class that Cinelerra plays in ( feature wise , do n't get me started on stability ) and even Cinelerra ca n't really keep up with what 's available on other platforms ( Edius , Premiere , Final Cut ) .There 's also Lumiera , the rewrite of Cinelerra that could be interesting , but it 's still way to early to see if that will make it past Vapourware status.As for VLC : I do love the player for its ability to read almost anything , but it 's UI does not strike me as intuitive , accessible or easy to use and that certainly is not a good start for an NLE.The menus with the submenus and subsubmenus... the preferences dialogs , the convert/stream dialog , the playlist .
There 's no consistency between them and finding an option can be a real hassle .
Plus , as others mentioned , the encoding part often goes wrong for no apparent reason.I guess only time will tell... in any case , developers sure are not helped by the multitude of frameworks for audio , video and UI handling out there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for the Open Shot Video reference, I didn't know that one yet.I'm still a bit sceptical of Pitivi.
I sure looks great on paper but in the current state has almost less features than Kino (despite not really being brand new any more).
It's still got a long way to go before even reaching the class that Cinelerra plays in (feature wise, don't get me started on stability) and even Cinelerra can't really keep up with what's available on other platforms (Edius, Premiere, Final Cut).There's also Lumiera, the rewrite of Cinelerra that could be interesting, but it's still way to early to see if that will make it past Vapourware status.As for VLC: I do love the player for its ability to read almost anything, but it's UI does not strike me as intuitive, accessible or easy to use and that certainly is not a good start for an NLE.The menus with the submenus and subsubmenus... the preferences dialogs, the convert/stream dialog, the playlist.
There's no consistency between them and finding an option can be a real hassle.
Plus, as others mentioned, the encoding part often goes wrong for no apparent reason.I guess only time will tell... in any case, developers sure are not helped by the multitude of frameworks for audio, video and UI handling out there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539036</id>
	<title>NON linear</title>
	<author>chode8</author>
	<datestamp>1259749440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hope its aiming in the area of premiere and fcp. and not movie maker and imovie.

We have enough linear and crappy non linear editors. how about an intuitive non linear editor that allows me to edit audio and video separate.
And works with a myriad of file formats.
And,  possibly setup a proxy like blender does, so that I can edit HD on a not so up to date pc.

GO VIDEOLAN!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope its aiming in the area of premiere and fcp .
and not movie maker and imovie .
We have enough linear and crappy non linear editors .
how about an intuitive non linear editor that allows me to edit audio and video separate .
And works with a myriad of file formats .
And , possibly setup a proxy like blender does , so that I can edit HD on a not so up to date pc .
GO VIDEOLAN !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope its aiming in the area of premiere and fcp.
and not movie maker and imovie.
We have enough linear and crappy non linear editors.
how about an intuitive non linear editor that allows me to edit audio and video separate.
And works with a myriad of file formats.
And,  possibly setup a proxy like blender does, so that I can edit HD on a not so up to date pc.
GO VIDEOLAN!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539748</id>
	<title>What is wrong with people</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259754540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Despite news that VLC might not have anyone to work on the Mac release</p></div><p>You mean despite the news that was clarified and proven false by the VLC project the day after everyone in the blogsphere and on tech forums went nuts : <a href="http://www.osnews.com/story/22629/VLC\_for\_Mac\_Death\_Greatly\_Exaggerated\_" title="osnews.com">http://www.osnews.com/story/22629/VLC\_for\_Mac\_Death\_Greatly\_Exaggerated\_</a> [osnews.com]</p><p>Why repeat it if it never was true ?  It didn't need to be part of the summary at all for that matter, the true story here has nothing at all to do with the Mac port.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Despite news that VLC might not have anyone to work on the Mac releaseYou mean despite the news that was clarified and proven false by the VLC project the day after everyone in the blogsphere and on tech forums went nuts : http : //www.osnews.com/story/22629/VLC \ _for \ _Mac \ _Death \ _Greatly \ _Exaggerated \ _ [ osnews.com ] Why repeat it if it never was true ?
It did n't need to be part of the summary at all for that matter , the true story here has nothing at all to do with the Mac port .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Despite news that VLC might not have anyone to work on the Mac releaseYou mean despite the news that was clarified and proven false by the VLC project the day after everyone in the blogsphere and on tech forums went nuts : http://www.osnews.com/story/22629/VLC\_for\_Mac\_Death\_Greatly\_Exaggerated\_ [osnews.com]Why repeat it if it never was true ?
It didn't need to be part of the summary at all for that matter, the true story here has nothing at all to do with the Mac port.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539898</id>
	<title>Re:What aboout Avidemux?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259755740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know why, because avidemux sucks. it crashes all the time and gives bad output. try editing<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.vob with it..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know why , because avidemux sucks .
it crashes all the time and gives bad output .
try editing .vob with it. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know why, because avidemux sucks.
it crashes all the time and gives bad output.
try editing .vob with it..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539450</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539564</id>
	<title>Re:Great!</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1259753280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, the bar for  nonlinear video editing on Linux is pretty low, so they have that in their favor.  (Cinelerra, for one, should be renamed "Bamboo Shoots Under Your Fingernails," not due to the crappy UI, but due to the fact that it crashes constantly of most of what it tries to do doesn't actually work).  For what it's worth, Avidemux (though simplistic) is currently the best of the field (but as always, expect A/V desynchronization - the bain of all audiovideo applications).  Perhaps the zoo of codecs and containers is simply so large and unmanageable that nobody can handle it.  But the VLC team is evidently more qualified to tackle this huge task than 99\% of the contenders out there.  Good luck, I sincerely wish you a wild success.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , the bar for nonlinear video editing on Linux is pretty low , so they have that in their favor .
( Cinelerra , for one , should be renamed " Bamboo Shoots Under Your Fingernails , " not due to the crappy UI , but due to the fact that it crashes constantly of most of what it tries to do does n't actually work ) .
For what it 's worth , Avidemux ( though simplistic ) is currently the best of the field ( but as always , expect A/V desynchronization - the bain of all audiovideo applications ) .
Perhaps the zoo of codecs and containers is simply so large and unmanageable that nobody can handle it .
But the VLC team is evidently more qualified to tackle this huge task than 99 \ % of the contenders out there .
Good luck , I sincerely wish you a wild success .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, the bar for  nonlinear video editing on Linux is pretty low, so they have that in their favor.
(Cinelerra, for one, should be renamed "Bamboo Shoots Under Your Fingernails," not due to the crappy UI, but due to the fact that it crashes constantly of most of what it tries to do doesn't actually work).
For what it's worth, Avidemux (though simplistic) is currently the best of the field (but as always, expect A/V desynchronization - the bain of all audiovideo applications).
Perhaps the zoo of codecs and containers is simply so large and unmanageable that nobody can handle it.
But the VLC team is evidently more qualified to tackle this huge task than 99\% of the contenders out there.
Good luck, I sincerely wish you a wild success.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539786</id>
	<title>Re:oh no!</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1259754900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>they need to get through 54320 of you first.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>they need to get through 54320 of you first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they need to get through 54320 of you first.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539366</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259751840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ffmpeg for linux always worked for me to shift one format to another</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ffmpeg for linux always worked for me to shift one format to another</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ffmpeg for linux always worked for me to shift one format to another</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30541924</id>
	<title>Re:Great!</title>
	<author>dziban303</author>
	<datestamp>1259777880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>VLC would be great -- if they integrated support for MCE IR receivers.

It can't be that hard to do. WTF?</htmltext>
<tokenext>VLC would be great -- if they integrated support for MCE IR receivers .
It ca n't be that hard to do .
WTF ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>VLC would be great -- if they integrated support for MCE IR receivers.
It can't be that hard to do.
WTF?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539432</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah yeah! Oh, yeah!</title>
	<author>supersloshy</author>
	<datestamp>1259752380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ever hear of <a href="http://kdenlive.org/" title="kdenlive.org" rel="nofollow">Kdenlive</a> [kdenlive.org]? I use it all the time. Uses FFMPEG, has lots of nice effects, and the most recent release has been very stable for me so far<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ever hear of Kdenlive [ kdenlive.org ] ?
I use it all the time .
Uses FFMPEG , has lots of nice effects , and the most recent release has been very stable for me so far ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ever hear of Kdenlive [kdenlive.org]?
I use it all the time.
Uses FFMPEG, has lots of nice effects, and the most recent release has been very stable for me so far ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30540814</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah yeah! Oh, yeah!</title>
	<author>ChienAndalu</author>
	<datestamp>1259762700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree on cinelerra but not on Audacity. Audacity is like  Notepad for audio, it's simple and does it's thing well (and doesn't crash which makes it actually better than notepad).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree on cinelerra but not on Audacity .
Audacity is like Notepad for audio , it 's simple and does it 's thing well ( and does n't crash which makes it actually better than notepad ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree on cinelerra but not on Audacity.
Audacity is like  Notepad for audio, it's simple and does it's thing well (and doesn't crash which makes it actually better than notepad).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30543428</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah yeah! Oh, yeah!</title>
	<author>horza</author>
	<datestamp>1261665960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've not tried it myself, but I've heard good things about <a href="http://www.openshotvideo.com/" title="openshotvideo.com">OpenShot</a> [openshotvideo.com]. I'd be interested to hear what people on here think about it.</p><p>Phillip.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've not tried it myself , but I 've heard good things about OpenShot [ openshotvideo.com ] .
I 'd be interested to hear what people on here think about it.Phillip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've not tried it myself, but I've heard good things about OpenShot [openshotvideo.com].
I'd be interested to hear what people on here think about it.Phillip.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30540136</id>
	<title>Re:Can it Edit MKV files etc....</title>
	<author>Midnight Thunder</author>
	<datestamp>1259757360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The question is whether the editing will happen directly with the 'compressed' streams or whether it will need to convert it to something akin to DV first?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The question is whether the editing will happen directly with the 'compressed ' streams or whether it will need to convert it to something akin to DV first ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The question is whether the editing will happen directly with the 'compressed' streams or whether it will need to convert it to something akin to DV first?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30540768</id>
	<title>Collaborating wouldn't be a bad idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259762280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm agreeing on this. Or if developers aren't too willing to allow one project to consolidate with another, at least share some advice with the upstart project(s) in a friendly rivalry sort of way. At least the source is open, so they can figure things out, but the devs of the older projects could explain *why* they did some things a certain way. Spuring some real competiton by helping the newer projects get a better start sounds counter-intuitive, but it would give incentive for all the open source projects to improve across the board.</p><p>I'd say that collaborating with Wax and Virtualdub developers wouldn't be a bad idea either. Both of those are fairly good too. (Virtualdub + Xvid is an easy-peasy combo for the win when it comes to making nice compression of bloated<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.avi files) And perhaps even talk to the Audacity crew for integrating some features on the audio stream portion. Personally I'd like to see something that combines VirtualDub and Audacity in some common UI wrapper so I could easily synch audio to video with an open source solution. Maybe the VLC team would put together the equivalent?</p><p>BTW, it's nice news to hear from the VLC guys. And their software has come a long way UI wise. Still I have my critiques for them. I think documentation needs some filling in before they get started on a new project. The differences between codec settings and such don't make much sense to the average user with the current info that's provided. If I have trouble transcoding various streams/files and such with VLC and its current documentation, I'm not sure I'd feel compelled to use their software for video editing. (Also not all the help should be online, there should be some optional docs included during installation. This is so the user can figure out things even when there isnt' a good internet connection.) Once those rough edges are smoothed off, I think the prospects will look much better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm agreeing on this .
Or if developers are n't too willing to allow one project to consolidate with another , at least share some advice with the upstart project ( s ) in a friendly rivalry sort of way .
At least the source is open , so they can figure things out , but the devs of the older projects could explain * why * they did some things a certain way .
Spuring some real competiton by helping the newer projects get a better start sounds counter-intuitive , but it would give incentive for all the open source projects to improve across the board.I 'd say that collaborating with Wax and Virtualdub developers would n't be a bad idea either .
Both of those are fairly good too .
( Virtualdub + Xvid is an easy-peasy combo for the win when it comes to making nice compression of bloated .avi files ) And perhaps even talk to the Audacity crew for integrating some features on the audio stream portion .
Personally I 'd like to see something that combines VirtualDub and Audacity in some common UI wrapper so I could easily synch audio to video with an open source solution .
Maybe the VLC team would put together the equivalent ? BTW , it 's nice news to hear from the VLC guys .
And their software has come a long way UI wise .
Still I have my critiques for them .
I think documentation needs some filling in before they get started on a new project .
The differences between codec settings and such do n't make much sense to the average user with the current info that 's provided .
If I have trouble transcoding various streams/files and such with VLC and its current documentation , I 'm not sure I 'd feel compelled to use their software for video editing .
( Also not all the help should be online , there should be some optional docs included during installation .
This is so the user can figure out things even when there isnt ' a good internet connection .
) Once those rough edges are smoothed off , I think the prospects will look much better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm agreeing on this.
Or if developers aren't too willing to allow one project to consolidate with another, at least share some advice with the upstart project(s) in a friendly rivalry sort of way.
At least the source is open, so they can figure things out, but the devs of the older projects could explain *why* they did some things a certain way.
Spuring some real competiton by helping the newer projects get a better start sounds counter-intuitive, but it would give incentive for all the open source projects to improve across the board.I'd say that collaborating with Wax and Virtualdub developers wouldn't be a bad idea either.
Both of those are fairly good too.
(Virtualdub + Xvid is an easy-peasy combo for the win when it comes to making nice compression of bloated .avi files) And perhaps even talk to the Audacity crew for integrating some features on the audio stream portion.
Personally I'd like to see something that combines VirtualDub and Audacity in some common UI wrapper so I could easily synch audio to video with an open source solution.
Maybe the VLC team would put together the equivalent?BTW, it's nice news to hear from the VLC guys.
And their software has come a long way UI wise.
Still I have my critiques for them.
I think documentation needs some filling in before they get started on a new project.
The differences between codec settings and such don't make much sense to the average user with the current info that's provided.
If I have trouble transcoding various streams/files and such with VLC and its current documentation, I'm not sure I'd feel compelled to use their software for video editing.
(Also not all the help should be online, there should be some optional docs included during installation.
This is so the user can figure out things even when there isnt' a good internet connection.
) Once those rough edges are smoothed off, I think the prospects will look much better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30541120</id>
	<title>FirRst pOst</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259766000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">You don't need to The future holds 3orpse turned over offended some and I proba3ly Users With Large are allowed to play Volume of NetBSD</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't need to The future holds 3orpse turned over offended some and I proba3ly Users With Large are allowed to play Volume of NetBSD [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't need to The future holds 3orpse turned over offended some and I proba3ly Users With Large are allowed to play Volume of NetBSD [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30542118</id>
	<title>http://vlmc.org/</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259780820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The site is up and running with more information http://vlmc.org/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The site is up and running with more information http : //vlmc.org/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The site is up and running with more information http://vlmc.org/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539364</id>
	<title>Vegas</title>
	<author>soundguy</author>
	<datestamp>1259751840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm hoping it take after Vegas, which leaves all other editors in the dust (even Avid) when it comes to ease of use. I especially like being able to drag the end of one clip over another on the time line for instant crossfades without having to deal with creating a transition. Fade in/out is a simple matter of dragging the upper corner of the clip one way or the other. Timelines are a series of thumbnails that change in real-time when you expand or contract, cut, stretch etc. (stretch/contract is a simple ctrl+drag). I rarely use more than 8 tracks, but the ability to do 16-32 would be nice, if not unlimited like Vegas.</p><p>Vegas and Photoshop are the only things keeping my workstations running Windows. (XP - not interested in Vista/7)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm hoping it take after Vegas , which leaves all other editors in the dust ( even Avid ) when it comes to ease of use .
I especially like being able to drag the end of one clip over another on the time line for instant crossfades without having to deal with creating a transition .
Fade in/out is a simple matter of dragging the upper corner of the clip one way or the other .
Timelines are a series of thumbnails that change in real-time when you expand or contract , cut , stretch etc .
( stretch/contract is a simple ctrl + drag ) .
I rarely use more than 8 tracks , but the ability to do 16-32 would be nice , if not unlimited like Vegas.Vegas and Photoshop are the only things keeping my workstations running Windows .
( XP - not interested in Vista/7 )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm hoping it take after Vegas, which leaves all other editors in the dust (even Avid) when it comes to ease of use.
I especially like being able to drag the end of one clip over another on the time line for instant crossfades without having to deal with creating a transition.
Fade in/out is a simple matter of dragging the upper corner of the clip one way or the other.
Timelines are a series of thumbnails that change in real-time when you expand or contract, cut, stretch etc.
(stretch/contract is a simple ctrl+drag).
I rarely use more than 8 tracks, but the ability to do 16-32 would be nice, if not unlimited like Vegas.Vegas and Photoshop are the only things keeping my workstations running Windows.
(XP - not interested in Vista/7)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30540004</id>
	<title>This is good news</title>
	<author>Orion Blastar</author>
	<datestamp>1259756400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The FOSS movement needs this type of application. Linux needs to match the same type of applications than run or at least come standard with Microsoft Windows and Apple Mac OS X in order to better compete with them. Since Apple has a video editor built into Mac OS X, Linux needs one as well. As a bonus a Windows port would get the Windows users happy to use a video editor and help them migrate to Linux by using the same software in Windows and then later on in Linux.</p><p>The creative content software that is usually made for Mac OS X needs FOSS counterparts in Linux and Windows so that Apple doesn't have a monopoly in that area. Although the video editing was once a part of the Commodore Amiga systems via Genlock and Video Toaster before the Macintosh had them, it is good to see a FOSS alternative to video editing coming out soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The FOSS movement needs this type of application .
Linux needs to match the same type of applications than run or at least come standard with Microsoft Windows and Apple Mac OS X in order to better compete with them .
Since Apple has a video editor built into Mac OS X , Linux needs one as well .
As a bonus a Windows port would get the Windows users happy to use a video editor and help them migrate to Linux by using the same software in Windows and then later on in Linux.The creative content software that is usually made for Mac OS X needs FOSS counterparts in Linux and Windows so that Apple does n't have a monopoly in that area .
Although the video editing was once a part of the Commodore Amiga systems via Genlock and Video Toaster before the Macintosh had them , it is good to see a FOSS alternative to video editing coming out soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The FOSS movement needs this type of application.
Linux needs to match the same type of applications than run or at least come standard with Microsoft Windows and Apple Mac OS X in order to better compete with them.
Since Apple has a video editor built into Mac OS X, Linux needs one as well.
As a bonus a Windows port would get the Windows users happy to use a video editor and help them migrate to Linux by using the same software in Windows and then later on in Linux.The creative content software that is usually made for Mac OS X needs FOSS counterparts in Linux and Windows so that Apple doesn't have a monopoly in that area.
Although the video editing was once a part of the Commodore Amiga systems via Genlock and Video Toaster before the Macintosh had them, it is good to see a FOSS alternative to video editing coming out soon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30541722</id>
	<title>More open source FAIL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259774340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>VLC is open source, therefore VLC sucks.<br>Yet another example of software that is better off being closed source and commercial.<br>If you want high quality video playback you use Quicktime on OS X or Windows Video on Windows.  Skip Linsux altogether, since everything sucks on Linsux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>VLC is open source , therefore VLC sucks.Yet another example of software that is better off being closed source and commercial.If you want high quality video playback you use Quicktime on OS X or Windows Video on Windows .
Skip Linsux altogether , since everything sucks on Linsux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>VLC is open source, therefore VLC sucks.Yet another example of software that is better off being closed source and commercial.If you want high quality video playback you use Quicktime on OS X or Windows Video on Windows.
Skip Linsux altogether, since everything sucks on Linsux.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539308</id>
	<title>AVCHD Please</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259751420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pretty please?  I can transfer all the videos off of my Canon Vixia HG-21 to my linux box with a simple "cp -a ", but I haven't yet seen a Linux video editor that doesn't choke on the AVCHD files.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pretty please ?
I can transfer all the videos off of my Canon Vixia HG-21 to my linux box with a simple " cp -a " , but I have n't yet seen a Linux video editor that does n't choke on the AVCHD files .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pretty please?
I can transfer all the videos off of my Canon Vixia HG-21 to my linux box with a simple "cp -a ", but I haven't yet seen a Linux video editor that doesn't choke on the AVCHD files.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30540214</id>
	<title>It's interface really needs work too</title>
	<author>Sycraft-fu</author>
	<datestamp>1259757900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like VLC, don't get me wrong. It is a go-to program I use in many cases. The fact that it is entirely self contained makes it very useful. I use it in situations where installing the required codecs wouldn't be workable, and also to play back problematic media. For example at work I have Sony Vegas installed on my system which installs its own MPEG codecs. Now part of these codecs is they are really strict, they don't play broken media. Ok well and good, when you encode something you want it done right. However, there'll plenty of broken media floating around on the net. It'll play in most media players, but is incorrect per the spec. For this, I can fire up VLC, since it doesn't use the codecs that Vegas installs, rather than mucking about with which programs use which codecs.</p><p>However, its interface is pretty bad overall, and as you said, its encoding isn't great. As such it isn't my default media player, and it certainly isn't one I'll suggest as a default for non-tech people. It is a useful tool to get some jobs done, but it needs work over all.</p><p>Well, user interface becomes much more important in video editors because it is a much more complex task. The difference between a good editor and a POS could be as simple as the interface. No matter how powerful it is, if it is hard to edit with, it isn't useful.</p><p>That is the problem I've found with OSS video editors thus far. They are extremely hard to work with. One of them, I can't remember which, I couldn't make it talk to my DV cam, I couldn't seem to get it to open any media other than pictures, I couldn't get an editing timeline, nothing. That may have all been there but I couldn't figure it out. Now you compare that to Vegas or Final Cut and that is all extremely self explanatory (as well as well documented).</p><p>So I worry they might create a powerful tool that is crap to use, and thus not at all useful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like VLC , do n't get me wrong .
It is a go-to program I use in many cases .
The fact that it is entirely self contained makes it very useful .
I use it in situations where installing the required codecs would n't be workable , and also to play back problematic media .
For example at work I have Sony Vegas installed on my system which installs its own MPEG codecs .
Now part of these codecs is they are really strict , they do n't play broken media .
Ok well and good , when you encode something you want it done right .
However , there 'll plenty of broken media floating around on the net .
It 'll play in most media players , but is incorrect per the spec .
For this , I can fire up VLC , since it does n't use the codecs that Vegas installs , rather than mucking about with which programs use which codecs.However , its interface is pretty bad overall , and as you said , its encoding is n't great .
As such it is n't my default media player , and it certainly is n't one I 'll suggest as a default for non-tech people .
It is a useful tool to get some jobs done , but it needs work over all.Well , user interface becomes much more important in video editors because it is a much more complex task .
The difference between a good editor and a POS could be as simple as the interface .
No matter how powerful it is , if it is hard to edit with , it is n't useful.That is the problem I 've found with OSS video editors thus far .
They are extremely hard to work with .
One of them , I ca n't remember which , I could n't make it talk to my DV cam , I could n't seem to get it to open any media other than pictures , I could n't get an editing timeline , nothing .
That may have all been there but I could n't figure it out .
Now you compare that to Vegas or Final Cut and that is all extremely self explanatory ( as well as well documented ) .So I worry they might create a powerful tool that is crap to use , and thus not at all useful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like VLC, don't get me wrong.
It is a go-to program I use in many cases.
The fact that it is entirely self contained makes it very useful.
I use it in situations where installing the required codecs wouldn't be workable, and also to play back problematic media.
For example at work I have Sony Vegas installed on my system which installs its own MPEG codecs.
Now part of these codecs is they are really strict, they don't play broken media.
Ok well and good, when you encode something you want it done right.
However, there'll plenty of broken media floating around on the net.
It'll play in most media players, but is incorrect per the spec.
For this, I can fire up VLC, since it doesn't use the codecs that Vegas installs, rather than mucking about with which programs use which codecs.However, its interface is pretty bad overall, and as you said, its encoding isn't great.
As such it isn't my default media player, and it certainly isn't one I'll suggest as a default for non-tech people.
It is a useful tool to get some jobs done, but it needs work over all.Well, user interface becomes much more important in video editors because it is a much more complex task.
The difference between a good editor and a POS could be as simple as the interface.
No matter how powerful it is, if it is hard to edit with, it isn't useful.That is the problem I've found with OSS video editors thus far.
They are extremely hard to work with.
One of them, I can't remember which, I couldn't make it talk to my DV cam, I couldn't seem to get it to open any media other than pictures, I couldn't get an editing timeline, nothing.
That may have all been there but I couldn't figure it out.
Now you compare that to Vegas or Final Cut and that is all extremely self explanatory (as well as well documented).So I worry they might create a powerful tool that is crap to use, and thus not at all useful.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539790</id>
	<title>Re:Great!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259754900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>VLC is dead useful, I'll give it that - I use it all the time. But it's interface.. my god, have you ever looked at the preferences? A low level library made by the same guys would be cool, but a full video editing application? It'll be a nightmare!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>VLC is dead useful , I 'll give it that - I use it all the time .
But it 's interface.. my god , have you ever looked at the preferences ?
A low level library made by the same guys would be cool , but a full video editing application ?
It 'll be a nightmare !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>VLC is dead useful, I'll give it that - I use it all the time.
But it's interface.. my god, have you ever looked at the preferences?
A low level library made by the same guys would be cool, but a full video editing application?
It'll be a nightmare!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539266</id>
	<title>Re:oh no!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259751060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Correction: they're out to git you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Correction : they 're out to git you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Correction: they're out to git you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539570</id>
	<title>Please don't use Gimp as a template</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259753340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just because dozens of programs has the same way of doing something doesn't mean that it's wrong. The Gimp is for gimps. Doing things differently for the sake of being different doesn't cut it.</p><p>IMHO the program with the best potential at replacing photoshop, so far, is <a href="http://www.pixelmator.com/" title="pixelmator.com" rel="nofollow">Pixelmator</a> [pixelmator.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just because dozens of programs has the same way of doing something does n't mean that it 's wrong .
The Gimp is for gimps .
Doing things differently for the sake of being different does n't cut it.IMHO the program with the best potential at replacing photoshop , so far , is Pixelmator [ pixelmator.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just because dozens of programs has the same way of doing something doesn't mean that it's wrong.
The Gimp is for gimps.
Doing things differently for the sake of being different doesn't cut it.IMHO the program with the best potential at replacing photoshop, so far, is Pixelmator [pixelmator.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539134</id>
	<title>Re:oh no!</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1259750040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It made me think of Monty Python's "The Argument" sketch.</p><p>"But I came in here for an argument!"</p><p>"Oh, this is abuse. You want room 12a, down the corridor."</p><p>"Thank you."</p><p>"You're welcome." (Man he's speaking to leaves...)</p><p>"Stupid git!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It made me think of Monty Python 's " The Argument " sketch .
" But I came in here for an argument !
" " Oh , this is abuse .
You want room 12a , down the corridor .
" " Thank you .
" " You 're welcome .
" ( Man he 's speaking to leaves... ) " Stupid git !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It made me think of Monty Python's "The Argument" sketch.
"But I came in here for an argument!
""Oh, this is abuse.
You want room 12a, down the corridor.
""Thank you.
""You're welcome.
" (Man he's speaking to leaves...)"Stupid git!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30543678</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah yeah! Oh, yeah!</title>
	<author>s0l1dsnak3123</author>
	<datestamp>1261668600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've also heard very good things about OpenShot Video Editor (http://www.openshotvideo.com/), although I've never used it myself<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've also heard very good things about OpenShot Video Editor ( http : //www.openshotvideo.com/ ) , although I 've never used it myself : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've also heard very good things about OpenShot Video Editor (http://www.openshotvideo.com/), although I've never used it myself :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539516</id>
	<title>Truly an enlightened age...</title>
	<author>ewg</author>
	<datestamp>1259752980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>...when news articles contain revision control commands.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...when news articles contain revision control commands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...when news articles contain revision control commands.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30546270</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah yeah! Oh, yeah!</title>
	<author>SD-Arcadia</author>
	<datestamp>1261686300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Agreed. I'm secretly hoping the Videolan folks will prove to be the ones to get it right. We need something stable, cross-platform (including Windows!) and compatible for starters. If VLMC can be to the NLE world what Avidemux is to the simple video editors world, that will be an important step in improving the viability of Linux. Anything that challenges Premiere and Vegas is good.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
I 'm secretly hoping the Videolan folks will prove to be the ones to get it right .
We need something stable , cross-platform ( including Windows !
) and compatible for starters .
If VLMC can be to the NLE world what Avidemux is to the simple video editors world , that will be an important step in improving the viability of Linux .
Anything that challenges Premiere and Vegas is good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
I'm secretly hoping the Videolan folks will prove to be the ones to get it right.
We need something stable, cross-platform (including Windows!
) and compatible for starters.
If VLMC can be to the NLE world what Avidemux is to the simple video editors world, that will be an important step in improving the viability of Linux.
Anything that challenges Premiere and Vegas is good.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30540132</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah yeah! Oh, yeah!</title>
	<author>DittoBox</author>
	<datestamp>1259757360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you want a multi-track recording suite, check out Ardour.</p><p><a href="http://ardour.org/" title="ardour.org">http://ardour.org/</a> [ardour.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want a multi-track recording suite , check out Ardour.http : //ardour.org/ [ ardour.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want a multi-track recording suite, check out Ardour.http://ardour.org/ [ardour.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30541846</id>
	<title>Re:This is nowhere near alpha quality</title>
	<author>zero0ne</author>
	<datestamp>1259776620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why don't you help out then.</p><p>Don't just sit there and complain on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/dot.</p><p>Go over to their site and help code a better UI, post your suggestions, or even draw up some UI images?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do n't you help out then.Do n't just sit there and complain on /dot.Go over to their site and help code a better UI , post your suggestions , or even draw up some UI images ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why don't you help out then.Don't just sit there and complain on /dot.Go over to their site and help code a better UI, post your suggestions, or even draw up some UI images?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539582</id>
	<title>What in tarnation is "git" fer?</title>
	<author>RobertB-DC</author>
	<datestamp>1259753340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>lolz, but really... this is the first time I've seen the "git://" protocol specifier.  I had to resort to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git\_(software)" title="wikipedia.org">Fount of All Knowledge</a> [wikipedia.org] to find out what in tarnation "git" is:</p><blockquote><div><p>Git is a free distributed revision control, or software source code management project with an emphasis on being fast. Git was initially designed and developed by Linus Torvalds for Linux kernel development.</p><p>Every Git working directory is a full-fledged repository with complete history and full revision tracking capabilities, not dependent on network access or a central server.</p></div></blockquote><p>Ok, that doesn't tell me much, actually.  And there's no reference at all to git://. I had to step away from Wikipedia and do a real search -- which ended up on the <a href="http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/Git" title="linux-mips.org">Git Wiki</a> [linux-mips.org], of course.</p><blockquote><div><p>Which git protocol to use<br>Generally these days the git protocol (the git://) URLs) is the prefered protocol.</p><p><b>git</b> Git's own protocol which tries to heavily optimize the amount of bandwidth used and thus is generally very efficient for updates. An issue with the git protocol is its use of TCP port 9418 which paranoid firewall admins may have blocked.</p><p><b>http</b> Rather inefficient usage of bandwith and CPU but since http is generally enabled in firewalls it exists for those poor souls suffering from fascist firewall admins.</p><p><b>rsync</b> The oldest git protocol, deprecated and supposed to eventually go away. Suffers from a low probability race condition. Its advantage is the lowest CPU usage on the server side. Not recommended for pulling or fetching. Heck, it really should be considered the last alternative.</p></div></blockquote><p>I bet I'll end up seeing git:// all over the place on Slashdot soon.  Once something better comes along, I might even understand it.  (I just now figured out that whole "bittorrent" thing...)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>lolz , but really... this is the first time I 've seen the " git : // " protocol specifier .
I had to resort to the Fount of All Knowledge [ wikipedia.org ] to find out what in tarnation " git " is : Git is a free distributed revision control , or software source code management project with an emphasis on being fast .
Git was initially designed and developed by Linus Torvalds for Linux kernel development.Every Git working directory is a full-fledged repository with complete history and full revision tracking capabilities , not dependent on network access or a central server.Ok , that does n't tell me much , actually .
And there 's no reference at all to git : // .
I had to step away from Wikipedia and do a real search -- which ended up on the Git Wiki [ linux-mips.org ] , of course.Which git protocol to useGenerally these days the git protocol ( the git : // ) URLs ) is the prefered protocol.git Git 's own protocol which tries to heavily optimize the amount of bandwidth used and thus is generally very efficient for updates .
An issue with the git protocol is its use of TCP port 9418 which paranoid firewall admins may have blocked.http Rather inefficient usage of bandwith and CPU but since http is generally enabled in firewalls it exists for those poor souls suffering from fascist firewall admins.rsync The oldest git protocol , deprecated and supposed to eventually go away .
Suffers from a low probability race condition .
Its advantage is the lowest CPU usage on the server side .
Not recommended for pulling or fetching .
Heck , it really should be considered the last alternative.I bet I 'll end up seeing git : // all over the place on Slashdot soon .
Once something better comes along , I might even understand it .
( I just now figured out that whole " bittorrent " thing... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lolz, but really... this is the first time I've seen the "git://" protocol specifier.
I had to resort to the Fount of All Knowledge [wikipedia.org] to find out what in tarnation "git" is:Git is a free distributed revision control, or software source code management project with an emphasis on being fast.
Git was initially designed and developed by Linus Torvalds for Linux kernel development.Every Git working directory is a full-fledged repository with complete history and full revision tracking capabilities, not dependent on network access or a central server.Ok, that doesn't tell me much, actually.
And there's no reference at all to git://.
I had to step away from Wikipedia and do a real search -- which ended up on the Git Wiki [linux-mips.org], of course.Which git protocol to useGenerally these days the git protocol (the git://) URLs) is the prefered protocol.git Git's own protocol which tries to heavily optimize the amount of bandwidth used and thus is generally very efficient for updates.
An issue with the git protocol is its use of TCP port 9418 which paranoid firewall admins may have blocked.http Rather inefficient usage of bandwith and CPU but since http is generally enabled in firewalls it exists for those poor souls suffering from fascist firewall admins.rsync The oldest git protocol, deprecated and supposed to eventually go away.
Suffers from a low probability race condition.
Its advantage is the lowest CPU usage on the server side.
Not recommended for pulling or fetching.
Heck, it really should be considered the last alternative.I bet I'll end up seeing git:// all over the place on Slashdot soon.
Once something better comes along, I might even understand it.
(I just now figured out that whole "bittorrent" thing...)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539846</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds exciting</title>
	<author>V!NCENT</author>
	<datestamp>1259755440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A beacon? Never heared of Kdenlive (http://www.kdenlive.org/) ?</p><p>The 'Penguin Land' already has a Sony Vegas killer. It's the AmaroK of video editing. It's Qt4.x and because of that cross platform.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A beacon ?
Never heared of Kdenlive ( http : //www.kdenlive.org/ ) ? The 'Penguin Land ' already has a Sony Vegas killer .
It 's the AmaroK of video editing .
It 's Qt4.x and because of that cross platform .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A beacon?
Never heared of Kdenlive (http://www.kdenlive.org/) ?The 'Penguin Land' already has a Sony Vegas killer.
It's the AmaroK of video editing.
It's Qt4.x and because of that cross platform.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539038</id>
	<title>Avisynth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259749440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hopefully it wraps <a href="http://avisynth.org/" title="avisynth.org">Avisynth</a> [avisynth.org] -- it's got some incredible community-made scripts and plugins that are unmatched by anything else, but isn't newbie-friendly when it comes to what most people think of as "video editing".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hopefully it wraps Avisynth [ avisynth.org ] -- it 's got some incredible community-made scripts and plugins that are unmatched by anything else , but is n't newbie-friendly when it comes to what most people think of as " video editing " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hopefully it wraps Avisynth [avisynth.org] -- it's got some incredible community-made scripts and plugins that are unmatched by anything else, but isn't newbie-friendly when it comes to what most people think of as "video editing".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539230</id>
	<title>Can it Edit MKV files etc....</title>
	<author>jameskojiro</author>
	<datestamp>1259750820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would like something that can open anything and then edit it.</p><p>It would be nice to have a good video editor, One that was free back in the day was DDClip   it worked pretty good back in 00' .    Anythign is better than the abortion that is Windows Movie Maker....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would like something that can open anything and then edit it.It would be nice to have a good video editor , One that was free back in the day was DDClip it worked pretty good back in 00 ' .
Anythign is better than the abortion that is Windows Movie Maker... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would like something that can open anything and then edit it.It would be nice to have a good video editor, One that was free back in the day was DDClip   it worked pretty good back in 00' .
Anythign is better than the abortion that is Windows Movie Maker....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539146</id>
	<title>Merry Whatever Time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259750160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This might be a good time for all of you OSS leeches to front a little money to a project like this because, you know, you're the one's benefiting. Video editing is difficult; not like they wrote another frikkin' HTML editor. Time to stop working your jaws and pony up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This might be a good time for all of you OSS leeches to front a little money to a project like this because , you know , you 're the one 's benefiting .
Video editing is difficult ; not like they wrote another frikkin ' HTML editor .
Time to stop working your jaws and pony up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This might be a good time for all of you OSS leeches to front a little money to a project like this because, you know, you're the one's benefiting.
Video editing is difficult; not like they wrote another frikkin' HTML editor.
Time to stop working your jaws and pony up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539680</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah yeah! Oh, yeah!</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1259754000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I know it makes me seem like a total douche to put down projects that many people put a lot of time and effort into, but come on! The sound editor front is even worse! Audacity is today what Cool Edit was in 1998.</i></p><p>Audacity does everything I want it to do.  It doesn't include some of the functionality of tools like Adobe Audition or Soundbooth because that functionality is provided by other tools within the Linux environment.</p><p>If you need all this functionality bundled up with point-and-click ease, free Linux tools aren't for you.  Free software developers simply don't have much incentive to provide that kind of bundling because for anybody who is skilled enough to develop such tools, the Linux approach of multiple small tools actually works better than bloated all-in-one Windows tools.  Of course, over time, open source tools like Audacity will slowly incorporate some of the Windows tools' functionality and UI ideas, but that's just not a priority.</p><p>So it's really your choice: either pay Adobe to give you all-in-one tools (inferior, in my opinion), or invest the time and effort to figure out how to use the free tools effectively (a better long-term solution).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know it makes me seem like a total douche to put down projects that many people put a lot of time and effort into , but come on !
The sound editor front is even worse !
Audacity is today what Cool Edit was in 1998.Audacity does everything I want it to do .
It does n't include some of the functionality of tools like Adobe Audition or Soundbooth because that functionality is provided by other tools within the Linux environment.If you need all this functionality bundled up with point-and-click ease , free Linux tools are n't for you .
Free software developers simply do n't have much incentive to provide that kind of bundling because for anybody who is skilled enough to develop such tools , the Linux approach of multiple small tools actually works better than bloated all-in-one Windows tools .
Of course , over time , open source tools like Audacity will slowly incorporate some of the Windows tools ' functionality and UI ideas , but that 's just not a priority.So it 's really your choice : either pay Adobe to give you all-in-one tools ( inferior , in my opinion ) , or invest the time and effort to figure out how to use the free tools effectively ( a better long-term solution ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know it makes me seem like a total douche to put down projects that many people put a lot of time and effort into, but come on!
The sound editor front is even worse!
Audacity is today what Cool Edit was in 1998.Audacity does everything I want it to do.
It doesn't include some of the functionality of tools like Adobe Audition or Soundbooth because that functionality is provided by other tools within the Linux environment.If you need all this functionality bundled up with point-and-click ease, free Linux tools aren't for you.
Free software developers simply don't have much incentive to provide that kind of bundling because for anybody who is skilled enough to develop such tools, the Linux approach of multiple small tools actually works better than bloated all-in-one Windows tools.
Of course, over time, open source tools like Audacity will slowly incorporate some of the Windows tools' functionality and UI ideas, but that's just not a priority.So it's really your choice: either pay Adobe to give you all-in-one tools (inferior, in my opinion), or invest the time and effort to figure out how to use the free tools effectively (a better long-term solution).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539694</id>
	<title>FailzOrs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259754120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>what they t4ink is website Third, you Followed. Obviously</htmltext>
<tokenext>what they t4ink is website Third , you Followed .
Obviously</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what they t4ink is website Third, you Followed.
Obviously</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539902</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259755740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>ffmpeg is great for that sort of thing<br><br>ffmpeg -i INPUTFILE.mpeg -sameq outputfile.mov &lt;-- Now it's quicktime compatiable</htmltext>
<tokenext>ffmpeg is great for that sort of thingffmpeg -i INPUTFILE.mpeg -sameq outputfile.mov &lt; -- Now it 's quicktime compatiable</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ffmpeg is great for that sort of thingffmpeg -i INPUTFILE.mpeg -sameq outputfile.mov &lt;-- Now it's quicktime compatiable</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539076</id>
	<title>Yeah yeah!  Oh, yeah!</title>
	<author>ichthus</author>
	<datestamp>1259749680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Could this mean we finally get a decent video editor in Linux?  Apologies to the Cinelerra, Kino, etc. people, but (and I really hate to say this) many of the simplest and cheapest Windows offerings put these projects to shame.
<br> <br>
I know it makes me seem like a total douche to put down projects that many people put a lot of time and effort into, but come on!  The sound editor front is even worse!  Audacity is today what Cool Edit was in 1998.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could this mean we finally get a decent video editor in Linux ?
Apologies to the Cinelerra , Kino , etc .
people , but ( and I really hate to say this ) many of the simplest and cheapest Windows offerings put these projects to shame .
I know it makes me seem like a total douche to put down projects that many people put a lot of time and effort into , but come on !
The sound editor front is even worse !
Audacity is today what Cool Edit was in 1998 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could this mean we finally get a decent video editor in Linux?
Apologies to the Cinelerra, Kino, etc.
people, but (and I really hate to say this) many of the simplest and cheapest Windows offerings put these projects to shame.
I know it makes me seem like a total douche to put down projects that many people put a lot of time and effort into, but come on!
The sound editor front is even worse!
Audacity is today what Cool Edit was in 1998.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30545860</id>
	<title>Looks promising</title>
	<author>Chuffpole</author>
	<datestamp>1261682940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is exactly what both Windows and Linux needs right now.<br>In Windows our only free choices apart from the crippled Windows Movie Maker (limited in too many ways) are nightmarish utilities or trial versions of payware (like VideoPad).<br>In Linux there are certainly projects out there, but they either seem to have stalled in development, been abandoned, crash all the time, or we're waiting oh-so-patiently for v1.0 to arrive.</p><p>This new VLMC looks like it should really hit the spot. They have a YouTube page with this demo<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02vdwNsvbZI&amp;hd=1" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02vdwNsvbZI&amp;hd=1</a> [youtube.com]<br>and with a bit more polish, transitions and effects it should be all that many of us need. Well done to the team, I for one am looking forward to the first release in February.</p><p>Heck, if they could put together a quick Live CD/USB iso so that I could play with it, I'd test it too<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)  (I'm not up to getting it running as it is but I've played with Ubuntu and Linux Mint ok)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is exactly what both Windows and Linux needs right now.In Windows our only free choices apart from the crippled Windows Movie Maker ( limited in too many ways ) are nightmarish utilities or trial versions of payware ( like VideoPad ) .In Linux there are certainly projects out there , but they either seem to have stalled in development , been abandoned , crash all the time , or we 're waiting oh-so-patiently for v1.0 to arrive.This new VLMC looks like it should really hit the spot .
They have a YouTube page with this demohttp : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = 02vdwNsvbZI&amp;hd = 1 [ youtube.com ] and with a bit more polish , transitions and effects it should be all that many of us need .
Well done to the team , I for one am looking forward to the first release in February.Heck , if they could put together a quick Live CD/USB iso so that I could play with it , I 'd test it too : ) ( I 'm not up to getting it running as it is but I 've played with Ubuntu and Linux Mint ok )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is exactly what both Windows and Linux needs right now.In Windows our only free choices apart from the crippled Windows Movie Maker (limited in too many ways) are nightmarish utilities or trial versions of payware (like VideoPad).In Linux there are certainly projects out there, but they either seem to have stalled in development, been abandoned, crash all the time, or we're waiting oh-so-patiently for v1.0 to arrive.This new VLMC looks like it should really hit the spot.
They have a YouTube page with this demohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02vdwNsvbZI&amp;hd=1 [youtube.com]and with a bit more polish, transitions and effects it should be all that many of us need.
Well done to the team, I for one am looking forward to the first release in February.Heck, if they could put together a quick Live CD/USB iso so that I could play with it, I'd test it too :)  (I'm not up to getting it running as it is but I've played with Ubuntu and Linux Mint ok)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30542204</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah yeah! Oh, yeah!</title>
	<author>thomst</author>
	<datestamp>1259782140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ichthus commented:
<p>
"I know it makes me seem like a total douche to put down projects that many people put a lot of time and effort into, but come on! The sound editor front is even worse! Audacity is today what Cool Edit was in 1998."
</p><p>
Actually, it's not even as capable as Cool Edit was more than a decade ago. Specifically, Audacity does not support MIDI, whereas, AIR, Cool Edit Pro did. And that's the main reason why Audacity is utterly worthless for music production: because it can't sync to MIDI. So, no drum machine, or outboard sequencer loops.
</p><p>
That's why, when the Linux fanboys point their lofty sneers at lowly Windoze, I just shrug. My old Windows 98SE box allows me to sync my drum droid to Cakewalk 9 to lay down kick, hi-hat, and ride tracks. So I use that, instead of a Linux box, because it actually works. And, in turn, I use Windows 98, because the audio interface hardware I use (the original 16-bit Layla by Echo Audio) doesn't have drivers that work with XP SP3. (Nor, I should point out, does it have Linux drivers.) Since I can't afford new hardware, I use a Windows box that allows me to do stuff like <a href="http://www.starkrealities.com/work/If\%20I\%20Had\%20A\%20Million\%20Dollars.mp3" title="starkrealities.com" rel="nofollow">this</a> [starkrealities.com], <b>which Audacity would not</b>.
</p><p>
And it's sad that that's the case, because I would <b>like</b> to be able to use Audacity on Linux, rather than Cakewalk on Windows.
</p><p>
But I can't.
</p><p>
So I don't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ichthus commented : " I know it makes me seem like a total douche to put down projects that many people put a lot of time and effort into , but come on !
The sound editor front is even worse !
Audacity is today what Cool Edit was in 1998 .
" Actually , it 's not even as capable as Cool Edit was more than a decade ago .
Specifically , Audacity does not support MIDI , whereas , AIR , Cool Edit Pro did .
And that 's the main reason why Audacity is utterly worthless for music production : because it ca n't sync to MIDI .
So , no drum machine , or outboard sequencer loops .
That 's why , when the Linux fanboys point their lofty sneers at lowly Windoze , I just shrug .
My old Windows 98SE box allows me to sync my drum droid to Cakewalk 9 to lay down kick , hi-hat , and ride tracks .
So I use that , instead of a Linux box , because it actually works .
And , in turn , I use Windows 98 , because the audio interface hardware I use ( the original 16-bit Layla by Echo Audio ) does n't have drivers that work with XP SP3 .
( Nor , I should point out , does it have Linux drivers .
) Since I ca n't afford new hardware , I use a Windows box that allows me to do stuff like this [ starkrealities.com ] , which Audacity would not .
And it 's sad that that 's the case , because I would like to be able to use Audacity on Linux , rather than Cakewalk on Windows .
But I ca n't .
So I do n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ichthus commented:

"I know it makes me seem like a total douche to put down projects that many people put a lot of time and effort into, but come on!
The sound editor front is even worse!
Audacity is today what Cool Edit was in 1998.
"

Actually, it's not even as capable as Cool Edit was more than a decade ago.
Specifically, Audacity does not support MIDI, whereas, AIR, Cool Edit Pro did.
And that's the main reason why Audacity is utterly worthless for music production: because it can't sync to MIDI.
So, no drum machine, or outboard sequencer loops.
That's why, when the Linux fanboys point their lofty sneers at lowly Windoze, I just shrug.
My old Windows 98SE box allows me to sync my drum droid to Cakewalk 9 to lay down kick, hi-hat, and ride tracks.
So I use that, instead of a Linux box, because it actually works.
And, in turn, I use Windows 98, because the audio interface hardware I use (the original 16-bit Layla by Echo Audio) doesn't have drivers that work with XP SP3.
(Nor, I should point out, does it have Linux drivers.
) Since I can't afford new hardware, I use a Windows box that allows me to do stuff like this [starkrealities.com], which Audacity would not.
And it's sad that that's the case, because I would like to be able to use Audacity on Linux, rather than Cakewalk on Windows.
But I can't.
So I don't.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539450</id>
	<title>What aboout Avidemux?</title>
	<author>FromellaSlob</author>
	<datestamp>1259752560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/" title="fixounet.free.fr">Avidemux</a> [fixounet.free.fr] always seemed like a natural partner to VLC to me. Based off the same FFMPEG code, QT or GTK interfaces, straightforward design, and despite the name it can do many file types. It's excellent for simple cut and paste editing, very much a Linux equivalent of Virtualdub. Why do so many free software projects try to reinvent the wheel rather reuse and improve on the code that is out there? I always thought that was the point of free software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Avidemux [ fixounet.free.fr ] always seemed like a natural partner to VLC to me .
Based off the same FFMPEG code , QT or GTK interfaces , straightforward design , and despite the name it can do many file types .
It 's excellent for simple cut and paste editing , very much a Linux equivalent of Virtualdub .
Why do so many free software projects try to reinvent the wheel rather reuse and improve on the code that is out there ?
I always thought that was the point of free software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Avidemux [fixounet.free.fr] always seemed like a natural partner to VLC to me.
Based off the same FFMPEG code, QT or GTK interfaces, straightforward design, and despite the name it can do many file types.
It's excellent for simple cut and paste editing, very much a Linux equivalent of Virtualdub.
Why do so many free software projects try to reinvent the wheel rather reuse and improve on the code that is out there?
I always thought that was the point of free software.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30540914</id>
	<title>Re:AVCHD Please</title>
	<author>molnarcs</author>
	<datestamp>1259763720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Pretty please?  I can transfer all the videos off of my Canon Vixia HG-21 to my linux box with a simple "cp -a ", but I haven't yet seen a Linux video editor that doesn't choke on the AVCHD files.</p></div><p>Kdenlive edits AVCHD files perfectly well, although it can be a little buggy sometimes (though recently it's more stable). I tried it with AVCHD footage copied directly from my fuji camera. It opens the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.MTS files from the stream folder correctly...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pretty please ?
I can transfer all the videos off of my Canon Vixia HG-21 to my linux box with a simple " cp -a " , but I have n't yet seen a Linux video editor that does n't choke on the AVCHD files.Kdenlive edits AVCHD files perfectly well , although it can be a little buggy sometimes ( though recently it 's more stable ) .
I tried it with AVCHD footage copied directly from my fuji camera .
It opens the .MTS files from the stream folder correctly.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pretty please?
I can transfer all the videos off of my Canon Vixia HG-21 to my linux box with a simple "cp -a ", but I haven't yet seen a Linux video editor that doesn't choke on the AVCHD files.Kdenlive edits AVCHD files perfectly well, although it can be a little buggy sometimes (though recently it's more stable).
I tried it with AVCHD footage copied directly from my fuji camera.
It opens the .MTS files from the stream folder correctly...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539840</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah yeah! Oh, yeah!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259755440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pff, I use the Blender 3D Video Sequence Editor for my video editing<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pff , I use the Blender 3D Video Sequence Editor for my video editing : D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pff, I use the Blender 3D Video Sequence Editor for my video editing :D</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30538940</id>
	<title>Sounds exciting</title>
	<author>Ironchew</author>
	<datestamp>1259748780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it has the same quality and compatibility as VLC Media Player, then it would be a welcome beacon here in Penguin Land.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it has the same quality and compatibility as VLC Media Player , then it would be a welcome beacon here in Penguin Land .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it has the same quality and compatibility as VLC Media Player, then it would be a welcome beacon here in Penguin Land.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30541126</id>
	<title>Re:oh no!</title>
	<author>gollito</author>
	<datestamp>1259766060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><blockquote><div><p>It hasn't been released yet (<strong>git clone</strong> git://github.com/VLMC/vlmc.git)</p></div></blockquote><p>They&rsquo;re out to <b>GIT</b> me!</p></div><p>There, fixed that for you</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It has n't been released yet ( git clone git : //github.com/VLMC/vlmc.git ) They    re out to GIT me ! There , fixed that for you</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It hasn't been released yet (git clone git://github.com/VLMC/vlmc.git)They’re out to GIT me!There, fixed that for you
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30540786</id>
	<title>KDEnlive.org</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259762460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dual boot WinXP and KDE4.3 desktops, so I use Windows MovieMaker and KDEnlive.<br>Its really at the same level of sophistication.</p><p>If you want to take some videos from your digital camera, do a few fade transitions and add your favorite songs in teh background, they both do the same thing.<br>Our kids love to take videos of their skateboard stunts-crashes and edit them together and it didnt take them long to get used to KDEnlive.</p><p>Ive tried all the Linux programs and KDEnlive is the one my kids and I prefer.</p><p>Can it be better? Of course. Having used it for the past few versions, the recent progress has been phenomenal so Id recommend giving it another shot to the latest version which is 2months old.</p><p>http://www.kdenlive.org/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dual boot WinXP and KDE4.3 desktops , so I use Windows MovieMaker and KDEnlive.Its really at the same level of sophistication.If you want to take some videos from your digital camera , do a few fade transitions and add your favorite songs in teh background , they both do the same thing.Our kids love to take videos of their skateboard stunts-crashes and edit them together and it didnt take them long to get used to KDEnlive.Ive tried all the Linux programs and KDEnlive is the one my kids and I prefer.Can it be better ?
Of course .
Having used it for the past few versions , the recent progress has been phenomenal so Id recommend giving it another shot to the latest version which is 2months old.http : //www.kdenlive.org/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dual boot WinXP and KDE4.3 desktops, so I use Windows MovieMaker and KDEnlive.Its really at the same level of sophistication.If you want to take some videos from your digital camera, do a few fade transitions and add your favorite songs in teh background, they both do the same thing.Our kids love to take videos of their skateboard stunts-crashes and edit them together and it didnt take them long to get used to KDEnlive.Ive tried all the Linux programs and KDEnlive is the one my kids and I prefer.Can it be better?
Of course.
Having used it for the past few versions, the recent progress has been phenomenal so Id recommend giving it another shot to the latest version which is 2months old.http://www.kdenlive.org/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30538930</id>
	<title>Great!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259748720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can't go wrong with VLC, runs on every OS, opens even the PITA formats. Can't wait! Go VLC Team!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't go wrong with VLC , runs on every OS , opens even the PITA formats .
Ca n't wait !
Go VLC Team !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't go wrong with VLC, runs on every OS, opens even the PITA formats.
Can't wait!
Go VLC Team!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30540430</id>
	<title>VLC is unstable</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259759400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I spent over two weeks trying to use VLC for live video feeds. It sucked. Badly. Sometimes we'd get video feeds. Other times the feed would show up as a black box. There was an inexplicable 2 second lag even though buffering was disabled.</p><p>All in all it was a pretty bad experience. Please fix VLC before moving on to other products!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I spent over two weeks trying to use VLC for live video feeds .
It sucked .
Badly. Sometimes we 'd get video feeds .
Other times the feed would show up as a black box .
There was an inexplicable 2 second lag even though buffering was disabled.All in all it was a pretty bad experience .
Please fix VLC before moving on to other products !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I spent over two weeks trying to use VLC for live video feeds.
It sucked.
Badly. Sometimes we'd get video feeds.
Other times the feed would show up as a black box.
There was an inexplicable 2 second lag even though buffering was disabled.All in all it was a pretty bad experience.
Please fix VLC before moving on to other products!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30540266</id>
	<title>Re:Great!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259758260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only that - this week it's icon is wearing a Santa hat!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only that - this week it 's icon is wearing a Santa hat !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only that - this week it's icon is wearing a Santa hat!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539756</id>
	<title>This is nowhere near alpha quality</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259754600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd say it's more pre-alpha.</p><p>I can't take seriously these project properties shown in the screenshot. "30 frames per second"? How do I use 29.97 exactly? 23.976? Where do I setup in the project properties that I want global de-interlacing using interpolation or blend fields or yadif? Or that it's progressive? Where do I tell the editor what the aspect ratio of my footage is?</p><p>And TWO preview panes? This is so last century.</p><p>That UI needs serious love btw, it looks extremely bad. Huge icons on the side of the pref dialogs, stretching the dialog UI vertically making it look super-ugly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd say it 's more pre-alpha.I ca n't take seriously these project properties shown in the screenshot .
" 30 frames per second " ?
How do I use 29.97 exactly ?
23.976 ? Where do I setup in the project properties that I want global de-interlacing using interpolation or blend fields or yadif ?
Or that it 's progressive ?
Where do I tell the editor what the aspect ratio of my footage is ? And TWO preview panes ?
This is so last century.That UI needs serious love btw , it looks extremely bad .
Huge icons on the side of the pref dialogs , stretching the dialog UI vertically making it look super-ugly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd say it's more pre-alpha.I can't take seriously these project properties shown in the screenshot.
"30 frames per second"?
How do I use 29.97 exactly?
23.976? Where do I setup in the project properties that I want global de-interlacing using interpolation or blend fields or yadif?
Or that it's progressive?
Where do I tell the editor what the aspect ratio of my footage is?And TWO preview panes?
This is so last century.That UI needs serious love btw, it looks extremely bad.
Huge icons on the side of the pref dialogs, stretching the dialog UI vertically making it look super-ugly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539522</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah yeah! Oh, yeah!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259752980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hate to burst your bubble, Audition is basically what Cool Edit was in 1998 too.  It hasn't changed a whole lot. (IMO)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hate to burst your bubble , Audition is basically what Cool Edit was in 1998 too .
It has n't changed a whole lot .
( IMO )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hate to burst your bubble, Audition is basically what Cool Edit was in 1998 too.
It hasn't changed a whole lot.
(IMO)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_2013219.30539302</id>
	<title>Re:Can it Edit MKV files etc....</title>
	<author>Icegryphon</author>
	<datestamp>1259751360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah editing MKV's would be nice, I have had it with VirtualDub and the likes.<br>
Anything that supports many formats and can edit them would be welcome.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah editing MKV 's would be nice , I have had it with VirtualDub and the likes .
Anything that supports many formats and can edit them would be welcome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah editing MKV's would be nice, I have had it with VirtualDub and the likes.
Anything that supports many formats and can edit them would be welcome.</sentencetext>
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