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	<title>Amazon Kindle Proprietary Format Broken</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1261563840000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"The Register reports that the proprietary document format used by the Amazon online store and Amazon's <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/23/amazon\_kindle\_hacked/">Kindle has been successfully reverse engineered</a>, allowing these DRM-protected documents to be converted into the open MOBI format. Users of alternative e-book readers rejoice."</i> Here are <a href="http://i-u2665-cabbages.blogspot.com/2009/12/circumventing-kindle-for-pc-drm.html">the hacker's notes</a> on the program he is calling "Unswindle," and here is the (translated) <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=iw&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fforums.hacking.org.il\%2Fviewtopic.php\%3Ft\%3D6670">forum where the Kindle challenge was posed and answered</a>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " The Register reports that the proprietary document format used by the Amazon online store and Amazon 's Kindle has been successfully reverse engineered , allowing these DRM-protected documents to be converted into the open MOBI format .
Users of alternative e-book readers rejoice .
" Here are the hacker 's notes on the program he is calling " Unswindle , " and here is the ( translated ) forum where the Kindle challenge was posed and answered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "The Register reports that the proprietary document format used by the Amazon online store and Amazon's Kindle has been successfully reverse engineered, allowing these DRM-protected documents to be converted into the open MOBI format.
Users of alternative e-book readers rejoice.
" Here are the hacker's notes on the program he is calling "Unswindle," and here is the (translated) forum where the Kindle challenge was posed and answered.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30534674</id>
	<title>The Religion of Pieces strikes again...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259766000000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091223/wl\_sthasia\_afp/pakistanunrestnorthwesteducation" title="yahoo.com" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091223/wl\_sthasia\_afp/pakistanunrestnorthwesteducation</a> [yahoo.com]</p><p>Merry Christmas, you fucking diaper-heads.</p><p>P.S. - I don't live in Nebraska, but I am sure going to love paying their MediCare bills!  Woo hoo, let's hear it for health care reform!  Hooray for economic imperialism!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091223/wl \ _sthasia \ _afp/pakistanunrestnorthwesteducation [ yahoo.com ] Merry Christmas , you fucking diaper-heads.P.S .
- I do n't live in Nebraska , but I am sure going to love paying their MediCare bills !
Woo hoo , let 's hear it for health care reform !
Hooray for economic imperialism !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091223/wl\_sthasia\_afp/pakistanunrestnorthwesteducation [yahoo.com]Merry Christmas, you fucking diaper-heads.P.S.
- I don't live in Nebraska, but I am sure going to love paying their MediCare bills!
Woo hoo, let's hear it for health care reform!
Hooray for economic imperialism!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30534200</id>
	<title>the real story here...</title>
	<author>hAckz0r</author>
	<datestamp>1259760660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>If DRM is not locked inside of a closed black metal box, with anti-tamper seals, then it can always be reverse engineered. Once Kindle readers became available on the PC I knew it would be a matter of time before the DRM format was broken and utilities made available. What did surprise me here was that much headway had already been made by the ones hacking the Kindle hardware/OS already. The DRM had long been defeated.

The sad part is that the people that pay for all that DRM 'technology' (the people who buy the DRM'ed books) are never going to be able to easily use the great software such as Calibre, which could make managing all these devices so much easier, sans the DRM. The legal aspects with circumventing DRM will always prevent the ability to have a ubiquitous software platform capable of reading any format that happens to be available from any publisher. I for one would buy much more from any publisher who would publish 'real books' (i.e. not best sellers list only) in a format I can really use. One day they will realize that all the money was wasted on DRM technology, and was merely passing for modern day 'snake oil'. DRM is a loosing battle that need not be fought because it only takes one disgruntled geek to undo all the millions spent on that failed technology. DRM will never increase sales, as the market forces are still just a matter of supply and demand. There is no upside to DRM except for those selling the technology itself. Everyone else, including the content providers themselves, loose in the long run.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If DRM is not locked inside of a closed black metal box , with anti-tamper seals , then it can always be reverse engineered .
Once Kindle readers became available on the PC I knew it would be a matter of time before the DRM format was broken and utilities made available .
What did surprise me here was that much headway had already been made by the ones hacking the Kindle hardware/OS already .
The DRM had long been defeated .
The sad part is that the people that pay for all that DRM 'technology ' ( the people who buy the DRM'ed books ) are never going to be able to easily use the great software such as Calibre , which could make managing all these devices so much easier , sans the DRM .
The legal aspects with circumventing DRM will always prevent the ability to have a ubiquitous software platform capable of reading any format that happens to be available from any publisher .
I for one would buy much more from any publisher who would publish 'real books ' ( i.e .
not best sellers list only ) in a format I can really use .
One day they will realize that all the money was wasted on DRM technology , and was merely passing for modern day 'snake oil' .
DRM is a loosing battle that need not be fought because it only takes one disgruntled geek to undo all the millions spent on that failed technology .
DRM will never increase sales , as the market forces are still just a matter of supply and demand .
There is no upside to DRM except for those selling the technology itself .
Everyone else , including the content providers themselves , loose in the long run .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If DRM is not locked inside of a closed black metal box, with anti-tamper seals, then it can always be reverse engineered.
Once Kindle readers became available on the PC I knew it would be a matter of time before the DRM format was broken and utilities made available.
What did surprise me here was that much headway had already been made by the ones hacking the Kindle hardware/OS already.
The DRM had long been defeated.
The sad part is that the people that pay for all that DRM 'technology' (the people who buy the DRM'ed books) are never going to be able to easily use the great software such as Calibre, which could make managing all these devices so much easier, sans the DRM.
The legal aspects with circumventing DRM will always prevent the ability to have a ubiquitous software platform capable of reading any format that happens to be available from any publisher.
I for one would buy much more from any publisher who would publish 'real books' (i.e.
not best sellers list only) in a format I can really use.
One day they will realize that all the money was wasted on DRM technology, and was merely passing for modern day 'snake oil'.
DRM is a loosing battle that need not be fought because it only takes one disgruntled geek to undo all the millions spent on that failed technology.
DRM will never increase sales, as the market forces are still just a matter of supply and demand.
There is no upside to DRM except for those selling the technology itself.
Everyone else, including the content providers themselves, loose in the long run.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30536632</id>
	<title>Re:Too early</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1259777880000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Of course everyone will go to the DRM1 company to grab the largest distribution potential for their work, which then grows and grows and grows to say 80\% of the market. And has full control over everything: distribution, pricing, commission for themselves, whether or not to promote/feature your work, etc. That is what happened to Apple's iTunes. And that is the real reason why everyone is now selling DRM free music.</p></div><p>Yes and no, the reason you see DRM-free music is because they used <b>Apple's</b> DRM. It was never the case with for example CSS or AACS because it is the <b>industry's</b> DRM. If they could have extended their DRM program to all downloadable music they would have and I doubt content owners will fall for that twice. The store and the DRM system should be commodities just like you buy any BluRay in any retailer and play it on any manufacturer's player. Of course that's "any" as in everyone that's signed a horrible DRM licensing agreement, but the point is that one manufacturer has essentially no power at all.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Of course everyone will go to the DRM1 company to grab the largest distribution potential for their work , which then grows and grows and grows to say 80 \ % of the market .
And has full control over everything : distribution , pricing , commission for themselves , whether or not to promote/feature your work , etc .
That is what happened to Apple 's iTunes .
And that is the real reason why everyone is now selling DRM free music.Yes and no , the reason you see DRM-free music is because they used Apple 's DRM .
It was never the case with for example CSS or AACS because it is the industry 's DRM .
If they could have extended their DRM program to all downloadable music they would have and I doubt content owners will fall for that twice .
The store and the DRM system should be commodities just like you buy any BluRay in any retailer and play it on any manufacturer 's player .
Of course that 's " any " as in everyone that 's signed a horrible DRM licensing agreement , but the point is that one manufacturer has essentially no power at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course everyone will go to the DRM1 company to grab the largest distribution potential for their work, which then grows and grows and grows to say 80\% of the market.
And has full control over everything: distribution, pricing, commission for themselves, whether or not to promote/feature your work, etc.
That is what happened to Apple's iTunes.
And that is the real reason why everyone is now selling DRM free music.Yes and no, the reason you see DRM-free music is because they used Apple's DRM.
It was never the case with for example CSS or AACS because it is the industry's DRM.
If they could have extended their DRM program to all downloadable music they would have and I doubt content owners will fall for that twice.
The store and the DRM system should be commodities just like you buy any BluRay in any retailer and play it on any manufacturer's player.
Of course that's "any" as in everyone that's signed a horrible DRM licensing agreement, but the point is that one manufacturer has essentially no power at all.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30538820</id>
	<title>Re:DRM or not, I just don't get it...</title>
	<author>StikyPad</author>
	<datestamp>1259748000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are tradeoffs to be sure, but my iphone is much more convenient to carry than even a small paperback, in no small part because I'm used to carrying my phone with me everywhere.  I suspect that actual Kindle owners value the convenience of variable n books in constant i space, as well as the ability to purchase and download new titles from virtually anywhere with cellular coverage.</p><p>On top of that, *some* books cost the same, yes, but many cost significantly less.  It's mostly up to the publisher unless Amazon decides to eat (subsidize) part of the cost to promote their format.</p><p>As for the resale issue, I don't think that's been decided yet.  Amazon specifically states that your are *purchasing*, not renting, the titles, therefore you should have all rights associated with the purchase of a legally made copy of a copyrighted work, including the right to resell that copy.  On the other hand, circumvention of the copy protection mechanism is necessary to resell said copy, and the DMCA makes no exclusions for resale.  For a test case to arise, someone would have to sell or create a business that resells DRMed works by removing the DRM, and that entity would have to be sued by the rights holder or charged by the relevant authorities.  The end result of such a case would probably be the addition (through case law) of permission to strip DRM for the purpose of resale, or else (and possibly still) horrible publicity for the rights holder(s).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are tradeoffs to be sure , but my iphone is much more convenient to carry than even a small paperback , in no small part because I 'm used to carrying my phone with me everywhere .
I suspect that actual Kindle owners value the convenience of variable n books in constant i space , as well as the ability to purchase and download new titles from virtually anywhere with cellular coverage.On top of that , * some * books cost the same , yes , but many cost significantly less .
It 's mostly up to the publisher unless Amazon decides to eat ( subsidize ) part of the cost to promote their format.As for the resale issue , I do n't think that 's been decided yet .
Amazon specifically states that your are * purchasing * , not renting , the titles , therefore you should have all rights associated with the purchase of a legally made copy of a copyrighted work , including the right to resell that copy .
On the other hand , circumvention of the copy protection mechanism is necessary to resell said copy , and the DMCA makes no exclusions for resale .
For a test case to arise , someone would have to sell or create a business that resells DRMed works by removing the DRM , and that entity would have to be sued by the rights holder or charged by the relevant authorities .
The end result of such a case would probably be the addition ( through case law ) of permission to strip DRM for the purpose of resale , or else ( and possibly still ) horrible publicity for the rights holder ( s ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are tradeoffs to be sure, but my iphone is much more convenient to carry than even a small paperback, in no small part because I'm used to carrying my phone with me everywhere.
I suspect that actual Kindle owners value the convenience of variable n books in constant i space, as well as the ability to purchase and download new titles from virtually anywhere with cellular coverage.On top of that, *some* books cost the same, yes, but many cost significantly less.
It's mostly up to the publisher unless Amazon decides to eat (subsidize) part of the cost to promote their format.As for the resale issue, I don't think that's been decided yet.
Amazon specifically states that your are *purchasing*, not renting, the titles, therefore you should have all rights associated with the purchase of a legally made copy of a copyrighted work, including the right to resell that copy.
On the other hand, circumvention of the copy protection mechanism is necessary to resell said copy, and the DMCA makes no exclusions for resale.
For a test case to arise, someone would have to sell or create a business that resells DRMed works by removing the DRM, and that entity would have to be sued by the rights holder or charged by the relevant authorities.
The end result of such a case would probably be the addition (through case law) of permission to strip DRM for the purpose of resale, or else (and possibly still) horrible publicity for the rights holder(s).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30537840</id>
	<title>Headline wrong</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259785140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amazon Kindle Proprietary Format <b>fixed</b></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amazon Kindle Proprietary Format fixed</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amazon Kindle Proprietary Format fixed</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30533958</id>
	<title>All our books are belong to us</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259755500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>No more getting Jeff Bezos'ed 1984 style.<br>
<a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/18/amazon\_removes\_1984\_from\_kindle/" title="theregister.co.uk">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/18/amazon\_removes\_1984\_from\_kindle/</a> [theregister.co.uk]</htmltext>
<tokenext>No more getting Jeff Bezos'ed 1984 style .
http : //www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/18/amazon \ _removes \ _1984 \ _from \ _kindle/ [ theregister.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No more getting Jeff Bezos'ed 1984 style.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/18/amazon\_removes\_1984\_from\_kindle/ [theregister.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30537532</id>
	<title>Re:Old old story.</title>
	<author>isaac</author>
	<datestamp>1259783220000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I like e-Ink, I don't like Amazon's proprietary lock-in, so I got a Sony eReader, which handles ePub, PDFs, LRF, and everything else I want to read, Calibre converts for me.</p></div></blockquote><p>Avoiding proprietary lock-in by buying Sony = laff riot.</p><p>Kindle reads unencrypted<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.mobi,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.pdf,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.txt natively in addition to its own formats. LRF is Sony's proprietary DRM format and ePub is just another DRM-capable reflowable format like<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.mobi.</p><p>-Isaac</p></div>
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<tokenext>I like e-Ink , I do n't like Amazon 's proprietary lock-in , so I got a Sony eReader , which handles ePub , PDFs , LRF , and everything else I want to read , Calibre converts for me.Avoiding proprietary lock-in by buying Sony = laff riot.Kindle reads unencrypted .mobi , .pdf , .txt natively in addition to its own formats .
LRF is Sony 's proprietary DRM format and ePub is just another DRM-capable reflowable format like .mobi.-Isaac</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like e-Ink, I don't like Amazon's proprietary lock-in, so I got a Sony eReader, which handles ePub, PDFs, LRF, and everything else I want to read, Calibre converts for me.Avoiding proprietary lock-in by buying Sony = laff riot.Kindle reads unencrypted .mobi, .pdf, .txt natively in addition to its own formats.
LRF is Sony's proprietary DRM format and ePub is just another DRM-capable reflowable format like .mobi.-Isaac
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30535450</id>
	<title>Re:DRM or not, I just don't get it...</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1259770920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are a number of advantages:</p><p>1) Lots of content available in a small package.  You can carry a library with you wherever you go, which is fantastic for travel (who wants to haul around multiple books in a carry-on?).</p><p>2) Easy to purchase new content quickly.  Out of books?  Buy another one and it's there and available in seconds.</p><p>3) No bookmarks.  An e-reader remembers exactly where I was at any given time.</p><p>4) No need to hold a damn book open.  Combined with 3, it's suddenly practical to read while standing on the bus, waiting in line at the grocery store with a basket in one hand, etc, not to mention enabling more comfortable reading positions at home (lying on one's side in bed, lying the book on your lap or propped up on your knees, etc).  And it's a lot less fatiguing on the hands.</p><p>5) You can easily change font sizes (this is a killer feature for a kindle owner I know).  Do you have poor vision?  Are your eyes just tired?  Crank up the point size and you're good to go.</p><p>Of course, there are plenty of disadvantages, not the least of which is the lack of that wonderful smell of paper, and the tactile sensations as you turn the page and handle the book, hence why I would never completely replace my paper library with a digital one.  But the advantages mean that I typically split my time, switching between reading electronic and paper books.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are a number of advantages : 1 ) Lots of content available in a small package .
You can carry a library with you wherever you go , which is fantastic for travel ( who wants to haul around multiple books in a carry-on ?
) .2 ) Easy to purchase new content quickly .
Out of books ?
Buy another one and it 's there and available in seconds.3 ) No bookmarks .
An e-reader remembers exactly where I was at any given time.4 ) No need to hold a damn book open .
Combined with 3 , it 's suddenly practical to read while standing on the bus , waiting in line at the grocery store with a basket in one hand , etc , not to mention enabling more comfortable reading positions at home ( lying on one 's side in bed , lying the book on your lap or propped up on your knees , etc ) .
And it 's a lot less fatiguing on the hands.5 ) You can easily change font sizes ( this is a killer feature for a kindle owner I know ) .
Do you have poor vision ?
Are your eyes just tired ?
Crank up the point size and you 're good to go.Of course , there are plenty of disadvantages , not the least of which is the lack of that wonderful smell of paper , and the tactile sensations as you turn the page and handle the book , hence why I would never completely replace my paper library with a digital one .
But the advantages mean that I typically split my time , switching between reading electronic and paper books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are a number of advantages:1) Lots of content available in a small package.
You can carry a library with you wherever you go, which is fantastic for travel (who wants to haul around multiple books in a carry-on?
).2) Easy to purchase new content quickly.
Out of books?
Buy another one and it's there and available in seconds.3) No bookmarks.
An e-reader remembers exactly where I was at any given time.4) No need to hold a damn book open.
Combined with 3, it's suddenly practical to read while standing on the bus, waiting in line at the grocery store with a basket in one hand, etc, not to mention enabling more comfortable reading positions at home (lying on one's side in bed, lying the book on your lap or propped up on your knees, etc).
And it's a lot less fatiguing on the hands.5) You can easily change font sizes (this is a killer feature for a kindle owner I know).
Do you have poor vision?
Are your eyes just tired?
Crank up the point size and you're good to go.Of course, there are plenty of disadvantages, not the least of which is the lack of that wonderful smell of paper, and the tactile sensations as you turn the page and handle the book, hence why I would never completely replace my paper library with a digital one.
But the advantages mean that I typically split my time, switching between reading electronic and paper books.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30534532</id>
	<title>Re:DRM or not, I just don't get it...</title>
	<author>Ash-Fox</author>
	<datestamp>1259764680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What's the attraction?</p></div></blockquote><p>I use ebooks all the time (not DRMed), the attraction for me is having an entire library of information accessible on the go. I have thousands of ebooks on my netbook (I could store far, far more, but I don't have more), some of them technical manuals which I find useful to look things up and others just happen to be books I tend to enjoy reading. Additionally, in the room I live in, I don't really have any room for storage, so just having it on the laptop, netbook etc. is a God send. Being able to take notes on the book without actually 'defacing' or 'damaging' the book in the process is also a benefit, since I tend to feel a bit guilty for writing all over the place in books. I have no interest in pawning off my books, plus I tend to have many obscure ones that wouldn't sell well.</p><p>You did make a point about battery life, but getting into a situation where you couldn't recharge the Kindle (I don't own one) before a week ended (assuming you're using the wireless feature, otherwise it's two weeks) seems rather obscure to me.</p><p>I hope this answers your question.</p></div>
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<tokenext>What 's the attraction ? I use ebooks all the time ( not DRMed ) , the attraction for me is having an entire library of information accessible on the go .
I have thousands of ebooks on my netbook ( I could store far , far more , but I do n't have more ) , some of them technical manuals which I find useful to look things up and others just happen to be books I tend to enjoy reading .
Additionally , in the room I live in , I do n't really have any room for storage , so just having it on the laptop , netbook etc .
is a God send .
Being able to take notes on the book without actually 'defacing ' or 'damaging ' the book in the process is also a benefit , since I tend to feel a bit guilty for writing all over the place in books .
I have no interest in pawning off my books , plus I tend to have many obscure ones that would n't sell well.You did make a point about battery life , but getting into a situation where you could n't recharge the Kindle ( I do n't own one ) before a week ended ( assuming you 're using the wireless feature , otherwise it 's two weeks ) seems rather obscure to me.I hope this answers your question .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the attraction?I use ebooks all the time (not DRMed), the attraction for me is having an entire library of information accessible on the go.
I have thousands of ebooks on my netbook (I could store far, far more, but I don't have more), some of them technical manuals which I find useful to look things up and others just happen to be books I tend to enjoy reading.
Additionally, in the room I live in, I don't really have any room for storage, so just having it on the laptop, netbook etc.
is a God send.
Being able to take notes on the book without actually 'defacing' or 'damaging' the book in the process is also a benefit, since I tend to feel a bit guilty for writing all over the place in books.
I have no interest in pawning off my books, plus I tend to have many obscure ones that wouldn't sell well.You did make a point about battery life, but getting into a situation where you couldn't recharge the Kindle (I don't own one) before a week ended (assuming you're using the wireless feature, otherwise it's two weeks) seems rather obscure to me.I hope this answers your question.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30534494</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah. Right.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259764320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Which is exactly what amazon desire. The more content (ebooks) in the wild, the more kindles will be sold.  This is no different to games consoles. Those that are simple to mod to enable copied games to run are the units that sell the best. There's a simple reason the DS and various incarnations always outsells the vastly superior PSP, it's unbelievably trivial to run copied games. Likewise with the Wii. It's only after they've had huge unit sales do they start to pretend to tighten up on piracy. Same for the original playstation. Once the 5 wire chipping was easily available, the playstation wiped the floor with the opposition.</p><p>The public are not stupid enough to buy ebooks for more than a paperback, which itself has considerable distribution and manufacturing costs. ebook are tiny files, the smallest of all media, you can't give them away, sell them or loan them. Costs should be tiny, 10 cents a book or less. Should publishers learn this, they will start seeing a lot of sales. But like other old media, they cannot see beyond their old limited business methods.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which is exactly what amazon desire .
The more content ( ebooks ) in the wild , the more kindles will be sold .
This is no different to games consoles .
Those that are simple to mod to enable copied games to run are the units that sell the best .
There 's a simple reason the DS and various incarnations always outsells the vastly superior PSP , it 's unbelievably trivial to run copied games .
Likewise with the Wii .
It 's only after they 've had huge unit sales do they start to pretend to tighten up on piracy .
Same for the original playstation .
Once the 5 wire chipping was easily available , the playstation wiped the floor with the opposition.The public are not stupid enough to buy ebooks for more than a paperback , which itself has considerable distribution and manufacturing costs .
ebook are tiny files , the smallest of all media , you ca n't give them away , sell them or loan them .
Costs should be tiny , 10 cents a book or less .
Should publishers learn this , they will start seeing a lot of sales .
But like other old media , they can not see beyond their old limited business methods .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which is exactly what amazon desire.
The more content (ebooks) in the wild, the more kindles will be sold.
This is no different to games consoles.
Those that are simple to mod to enable copied games to run are the units that sell the best.
There's a simple reason the DS and various incarnations always outsells the vastly superior PSP, it's unbelievably trivial to run copied games.
Likewise with the Wii.
It's only after they've had huge unit sales do they start to pretend to tighten up on piracy.
Same for the original playstation.
Once the 5 wire chipping was easily available, the playstation wiped the floor with the opposition.The public are not stupid enough to buy ebooks for more than a paperback, which itself has considerable distribution and manufacturing costs.
ebook are tiny files, the smallest of all media, you can't give them away, sell them or loan them.
Costs should be tiny, 10 cents a book or less.
Should publishers learn this, they will start seeing a lot of sales.
But like other old media, they cannot see beyond their old limited business methods.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30537094</id>
	<title>Re:Old old story.</title>
	<author>Dragoness Eclectic</author>
	<datestamp>1259780520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like e-Ink, I don't like Amazon's proprietary lock-in, so I got a Sony eReader, which handles ePub, PDFs, LRF, and everything else I want to read, Calibre converts for me. Except Kindle DRM format, of course. This might be useful as a method to buy Kindle books without a Kindle, crack them, and load them on my e-Reader, if there were any Kindle-exclusives I wanted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like e-Ink , I do n't like Amazon 's proprietary lock-in , so I got a Sony eReader , which handles ePub , PDFs , LRF , and everything else I want to read , Calibre converts for me .
Except Kindle DRM format , of course .
This might be useful as a method to buy Kindle books without a Kindle , crack them , and load them on my e-Reader , if there were any Kindle-exclusives I wanted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like e-Ink, I don't like Amazon's proprietary lock-in, so I got a Sony eReader, which handles ePub, PDFs, LRF, and everything else I want to read, Calibre converts for me.
Except Kindle DRM format, of course.
This might be useful as a method to buy Kindle books without a Kindle, crack them, and load them on my e-Reader, if there were any Kindle-exclusives I wanted.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30536252</id>
	<title>Re:Too early</title>
	<author>popeye44</author>
	<datestamp>1259776020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Which frankly is perfectly fine with me. OCR scanning works good enough. People will demand e-books in the next few years. Authors and publishers won't have much choice. Do it or starve. DRM on ebooks attempts to keep people from doing that which they do with real books. SHARE! I for one will not give that up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which frankly is perfectly fine with me .
OCR scanning works good enough .
People will demand e-books in the next few years .
Authors and publishers wo n't have much choice .
Do it or starve .
DRM on ebooks attempts to keep people from doing that which they do with real books .
SHARE ! I for one will not give that up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which frankly is perfectly fine with me.
OCR scanning works good enough.
People will demand e-books in the next few years.
Authors and publishers won't have much choice.
Do it or starve.
DRM on ebooks attempts to keep people from doing that which they do with real books.
SHARE! I for one will not give that up.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30541292</id>
	<title>Re:Old old story.</title>
	<author>Profane MuthaFucka</author>
	<datestamp>1259768160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why? Because they work just fine with books from Gutenberg, PLUS I have an integrated dictionary of high quality AND Google AND Wikipedia online all the time for reference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ?
Because they work just fine with books from Gutenberg , PLUS I have an integrated dictionary of high quality AND Google AND Wikipedia online all the time for reference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why?
Because they work just fine with books from Gutenberg, PLUS I have an integrated dictionary of high quality AND Google AND Wikipedia online all the time for reference.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30534050</id>
	<title>Yeah.  Right.</title>
	<author>RobotRunAmok</author>
	<datestamp>1259757360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>More like; "Amazon-dot-com and shareholders rejoice, as more people can now read your files, therefore you make more money from increased e-book sales."</i></p><p>You really think so?  You figure the hackers were disgruntled Amazon shareholders working to increase their quarterly dividends?  My perception is that this will result in increased piracy, i.e., distribution through non-authorized channels from whom the authors of the books are not compensated.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More like ; " Amazon-dot-com and shareholders rejoice , as more people can now read your files , therefore you make more money from increased e-book sales .
" You really think so ?
You figure the hackers were disgruntled Amazon shareholders working to increase their quarterly dividends ?
My perception is that this will result in increased piracy , i.e. , distribution through non-authorized channels from whom the authors of the books are not compensated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More like; "Amazon-dot-com and shareholders rejoice, as more people can now read your files, therefore you make more money from increased e-book sales.
"You really think so?
You figure the hackers were disgruntled Amazon shareholders working to increase their quarterly dividends?
My perception is that this will result in increased piracy, i.e., distribution through non-authorized channels from whom the authors of the books are not compensated.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30535394</id>
	<title>Re:Convert everything you have quick</title>
	<author>ErikZ</author>
	<datestamp>1259770620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is why I refuse to let go of my clay tablet collection.</p><p>There's nothing out there today that can replace a good clay tablet, and I'm not switching until they do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why I refuse to let go of my clay tablet collection.There 's nothing out there today that can replace a good clay tablet , and I 'm not switching until they do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why I refuse to let go of my clay tablet collection.There's nothing out there today that can replace a good clay tablet, and I'm not switching until they do.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30535772</id>
	<title>Re:DRM or not, I just don't get it...</title>
	<author>hAckz0r</author>
	<datestamp>1259773020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I do have a reason for such a device, sans the DRM. I commute to work, and spend hours on the road each week. I like to listen to audiobooks but have completely exhausted the inventory of available 'highly technical audio books' in my various fields of science. The 'top seller list' doesn't cut it for me, and the content providers are never going to think of paying someone to record what I need to listen to. They would never recover the costs of that audiobook unless they sell it as an astronomical price and someone is dumb enough to actually pay that price.  With me, anything over $30-40 is a non starter. <p>

What I do is collect scientific papers, internet documents, and ebooks and have the Kindle read them to me while I drive. I have been converting them myself to a format that is supported by the Kindle. I have the Kindle connected to my car stereo, and the text-to-speech, while it takes getting used to, is not that bad. Granted it totally screws up when translating complex formulas, can't do much for programming languages, won't read another language, won't read image/scanned PDF's, and gets the pronunciation of many words 'correct' by syllable inflections rules but not spoken the way it is commonly done in English. All that being said, I could not live without it. When Amazon sells an ebook with the text-to-speech enabled for an advanced topic I am interested in I have to think long and hard before I decide to purchase a DRM encumbered work unless it is the only way to learn the material.  They could sell me a lot more books if there was no DRM involved, because I never would know/trust that  they would disable the text-to-speech for that book after I purchase it. They do after all force software updates on you if you ever connect to the built in wireless Internet service. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do have a reason for such a device , sans the DRM .
I commute to work , and spend hours on the road each week .
I like to listen to audiobooks but have completely exhausted the inventory of available 'highly technical audio books ' in my various fields of science .
The 'top seller list ' does n't cut it for me , and the content providers are never going to think of paying someone to record what I need to listen to .
They would never recover the costs of that audiobook unless they sell it as an astronomical price and someone is dumb enough to actually pay that price .
With me , anything over $ 30-40 is a non starter .
What I do is collect scientific papers , internet documents , and ebooks and have the Kindle read them to me while I drive .
I have been converting them myself to a format that is supported by the Kindle .
I have the Kindle connected to my car stereo , and the text-to-speech , while it takes getting used to , is not that bad .
Granted it totally screws up when translating complex formulas , ca n't do much for programming languages , wo n't read another language , wo n't read image/scanned PDF 's , and gets the pronunciation of many words 'correct ' by syllable inflections rules but not spoken the way it is commonly done in English .
All that being said , I could not live without it .
When Amazon sells an ebook with the text-to-speech enabled for an advanced topic I am interested in I have to think long and hard before I decide to purchase a DRM encumbered work unless it is the only way to learn the material .
They could sell me a lot more books if there was no DRM involved , because I never would know/trust that they would disable the text-to-speech for that book after I purchase it .
They do after all force software updates on you if you ever connect to the built in wireless Internet service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do have a reason for such a device, sans the DRM.
I commute to work, and spend hours on the road each week.
I like to listen to audiobooks but have completely exhausted the inventory of available 'highly technical audio books' in my various fields of science.
The 'top seller list' doesn't cut it for me, and the content providers are never going to think of paying someone to record what I need to listen to.
They would never recover the costs of that audiobook unless they sell it as an astronomical price and someone is dumb enough to actually pay that price.
With me, anything over $30-40 is a non starter.
What I do is collect scientific papers, internet documents, and ebooks and have the Kindle read them to me while I drive.
I have been converting them myself to a format that is supported by the Kindle.
I have the Kindle connected to my car stereo, and the text-to-speech, while it takes getting used to, is not that bad.
Granted it totally screws up when translating complex formulas, can't do much for programming languages, won't read another language, won't read image/scanned PDF's, and gets the pronunciation of many words 'correct' by syllable inflections rules but not spoken the way it is commonly done in English.
All that being said, I could not live without it.
When Amazon sells an ebook with the text-to-speech enabled for an advanced topic I am interested in I have to think long and hard before I decide to purchase a DRM encumbered work unless it is the only way to learn the material.
They could sell me a lot more books if there was no DRM involved, because I never would know/trust that  they would disable the text-to-speech for that book after I purchase it.
They do after all force software updates on you if you ever connect to the built in wireless Internet service. </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30535574</id>
	<title>Re:Old old story.</title>
	<author>epp\_b</author>
	<datestamp>1259771700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thank-you for that information.  My mom is starting to think about getting a kindle, now I have some useful ammunition for convincing her not to (plus, she already has a netbook<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... it amazes me, the things people throw their money at because they can't bother to invest a few minutes realizing that they already have a fully-capable device)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank-you for that information .
My mom is starting to think about getting a kindle , now I have some useful ammunition for convincing her not to ( plus , she already has a netbook ... it amazes me , the things people throw their money at because they ca n't bother to invest a few minutes realizing that they already have a fully-capable device )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank-you for that information.
My mom is starting to think about getting a kindle, now I have some useful ammunition for convincing her not to (plus, she already has a netbook ... it amazes me, the things people throw their money at because they can't bother to invest a few minutes realizing that they already have a fully-capable device)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30534634</id>
	<title>Re:Old old story.</title>
	<author>DarkTempes</author>
	<datestamp>1259765640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I dunno, I like my Kindle. It works, feels pretty much the same as reading a book (eink is almost the same as real ink to the eye (including viewing angle) with just slightly worse contrast), and allows me to read books comfortably but without taking up huuuuuge amounts of bookshelf/storage space.<br><br>No one makes you buy ebooks from Amazon with the Kindle. And if you're super paranoid about Amazon seeing what you read or accessing your device or something you can hack that out or just keep the wireless turned off. Yes, it's a niche market luxury device. Yes, it's not perfect and could use some software updates. You don't spend money on such a thing if you haven't researched it or are scared of going hungry.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno , I like my Kindle .
It works , feels pretty much the same as reading a book ( eink is almost the same as real ink to the eye ( including viewing angle ) with just slightly worse contrast ) , and allows me to read books comfortably but without taking up huuuuuge amounts of bookshelf/storage space.No one makes you buy ebooks from Amazon with the Kindle .
And if you 're super paranoid about Amazon seeing what you read or accessing your device or something you can hack that out or just keep the wireless turned off .
Yes , it 's a niche market luxury device .
Yes , it 's not perfect and could use some software updates .
You do n't spend money on such a thing if you have n't researched it or are scared of going hungry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno, I like my Kindle.
It works, feels pretty much the same as reading a book (eink is almost the same as real ink to the eye (including viewing angle) with just slightly worse contrast), and allows me to read books comfortably but without taking up huuuuuge amounts of bookshelf/storage space.No one makes you buy ebooks from Amazon with the Kindle.
And if you're super paranoid about Amazon seeing what you read or accessing your device or something you can hack that out or just keep the wireless turned off.
Yes, it's a niche market luxury device.
Yes, it's not perfect and could use some software updates.
You don't spend money on such a thing if you haven't researched it or are scared of going hungry.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30533888</id>
	<title>Old old story.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259753580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>There have been a set of python scripts around for more than a year and a half that allow you <a href="http://nyquil.org/uploads/MobiDeDRM.zip" title="nyquil.org">decrypt Kindle files to mobi</a> [nyquil.org].

The challenge has always been in dealing with Topaz files and, unless I am missing something, they still haven't been cracked.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There have been a set of python scripts around for more than a year and a half that allow you decrypt Kindle files to mobi [ nyquil.org ] .
The challenge has always been in dealing with Topaz files and , unless I am missing something , they still have n't been cracked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There have been a set of python scripts around for more than a year and a half that allow you decrypt Kindle files to mobi [nyquil.org].
The challenge has always been in dealing with Topaz files and, unless I am missing something, they still haven't been cracked.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30537926</id>
	<title>Re:Old old story.</title>
	<author>hazydave</author>
	<datestamp>1259785740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I never had much objection to the Kindle hardware, other than it not having the ability to deal well with datasheets (eg, text with drawings), primarily due to limited, unexpandable storage.</p><p>The big problem I have with it is that Amazon is using it to change the definiton of "book". You're not getting electronic books, you're getting a different thing that now called an eBook. But it doesn't follow past, well documented book behavior. I can't lend or sell it. I can't mark it up (and have those marks follow the book itself), or tear out pages, etc. And can't buy books from any bookseller to play on a Kindel... only from Amazon (and, I guess, a couple of freeware book formats).</p><p>I suppose a reliable way to remove the DRM is at least a step forward, even if it's technically illegal (due to the DCMA). The problem, and hopefully Amazon takes this to heart, is that this doesn't give you a book, either, it gives you a superbook. Now I can lend it AND read it at the same time.</p><p>I really never asked for that from an eBook reader... that's unreasonable. I just don't want to give up the rights I normally have with a pBook when buying the same thing as an eBook.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I never had much objection to the Kindle hardware , other than it not having the ability to deal well with datasheets ( eg , text with drawings ) , primarily due to limited , unexpandable storage.The big problem I have with it is that Amazon is using it to change the definiton of " book " .
You 're not getting electronic books , you 're getting a different thing that now called an eBook .
But it does n't follow past , well documented book behavior .
I ca n't lend or sell it .
I ca n't mark it up ( and have those marks follow the book itself ) , or tear out pages , etc .
And ca n't buy books from any bookseller to play on a Kindel... only from Amazon ( and , I guess , a couple of freeware book formats ) .I suppose a reliable way to remove the DRM is at least a step forward , even if it 's technically illegal ( due to the DCMA ) .
The problem , and hopefully Amazon takes this to heart , is that this does n't give you a book , either , it gives you a superbook .
Now I can lend it AND read it at the same time.I really never asked for that from an eBook reader... that 's unreasonable .
I just do n't want to give up the rights I normally have with a pBook when buying the same thing as an eBook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never had much objection to the Kindle hardware, other than it not having the ability to deal well with datasheets (eg, text with drawings), primarily due to limited, unexpandable storage.The big problem I have with it is that Amazon is using it to change the definiton of "book".
You're not getting electronic books, you're getting a different thing that now called an eBook.
But it doesn't follow past, well documented book behavior.
I can't lend or sell it.
I can't mark it up (and have those marks follow the book itself), or tear out pages, etc.
And can't buy books from any bookseller to play on a Kindel... only from Amazon (and, I guess, a couple of freeware book formats).I suppose a reliable way to remove the DRM is at least a step forward, even if it's technically illegal (due to the DCMA).
The problem, and hopefully Amazon takes this to heart, is that this doesn't give you a book, either, it gives you a superbook.
Now I can lend it AND read it at the same time.I really never asked for that from an eBook reader... that's unreasonable.
I just don't want to give up the rights I normally have with a pBook when buying the same thing as an eBook.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30535916</id>
	<title>Re:DRM or not, I just don't get it...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259774040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I did a lot of research before buying my Kindle, and it turns out that for me it's actually cheaper.  Many of the books I want to read are available free form author's websites or Project Gutenberg.  Also, the prices of books on Amazon are now cheaper than their physical edition by a dollar or so.  Before getting the Kindle, I always bought in B&amp;M bookstores (I could never stand waiting for shipments to arrive), so for me the savings are closer to $3/book (full retail price + extortionate sales tax in my area).  The Kindle will pay for itself in less than a year at the rate I am going.</p><p>Before buying, I made sure that I would be able to get books from other sources and that it was possible to remove the DRM form Kindle books (using the Python scripts mentioned in another post).  Since the Kindle is now priced less than most of it's competitors and has free wireless web as a nice side feature their wasn't much contest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did a lot of research before buying my Kindle , and it turns out that for me it 's actually cheaper .
Many of the books I want to read are available free form author 's websites or Project Gutenberg .
Also , the prices of books on Amazon are now cheaper than their physical edition by a dollar or so .
Before getting the Kindle , I always bought in B&amp;M bookstores ( I could never stand waiting for shipments to arrive ) , so for me the savings are closer to $ 3/book ( full retail price + extortionate sales tax in my area ) .
The Kindle will pay for itself in less than a year at the rate I am going.Before buying , I made sure that I would be able to get books from other sources and that it was possible to remove the DRM form Kindle books ( using the Python scripts mentioned in another post ) .
Since the Kindle is now priced less than most of it 's competitors and has free wireless web as a nice side feature their was n't much contest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did a lot of research before buying my Kindle, and it turns out that for me it's actually cheaper.
Many of the books I want to read are available free form author's websites or Project Gutenberg.
Also, the prices of books on Amazon are now cheaper than their physical edition by a dollar or so.
Before getting the Kindle, I always bought in B&amp;M bookstores (I could never stand waiting for shipments to arrive), so for me the savings are closer to $3/book (full retail price + extortionate sales tax in my area).
The Kindle will pay for itself in less than a year at the rate I am going.Before buying, I made sure that I would be able to get books from other sources and that it was possible to remove the DRM form Kindle books (using the Python scripts mentioned in another post).
Since the Kindle is now priced less than most of it's competitors and has free wireless web as a nice side feature their wasn't much contest.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30537962</id>
	<title>stock market effect of this news</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259785980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have noticed that this news has not affected at all Amazon stock value? On the contrary, the stock went up of almost 5 bucks today.</p><p>What should hackers do to affect a company stock?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have noticed that this news has not affected at all Amazon stock value ?
On the contrary , the stock went up of almost 5 bucks today.What should hackers do to affect a company stock ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have noticed that this news has not affected at all Amazon stock value?
On the contrary, the stock went up of almost 5 bucks today.What should hackers do to affect a company stock?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30533944</id>
	<title>Priceless quotes...</title>
	<author>tyroneking</author>
	<datestamp>1259755200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>.. from the forum that was linked into from Slashdot (well done for that btw kd)...</p><p>"Wow, you're a little scary! Well done." - I will use this the very next time one of my developer colleagues finally does a decent job.<br>"If Guy says you gun, you cannon. No arguments about!" - I will use this the next time one of my project manager "colleagues" puts his/her foot down about something technical that they don't know anything about.<br>"Already finished rope hook" - I will use this the next time I am telling a colleague that their code or document was so bad that instead of a review I had to re-write the whole thing.</p><p>The best quote of course is the new term "Open DRM" that one of the posters has coined. Genius! We should use that as a tag for all similar posts.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>.. from the forum that was linked into from Slashdot ( well done for that btw kd ) ... " Wow , you 're a little scary !
Well done .
" - I will use this the very next time one of my developer colleagues finally does a decent job .
" If Guy says you gun , you cannon .
No arguments about !
" - I will use this the next time one of my project manager " colleagues " puts his/her foot down about something technical that they do n't know anything about .
" Already finished rope hook " - I will use this the next time I am telling a colleague that their code or document was so bad that instead of a review I had to re-write the whole thing.The best quote of course is the new term " Open DRM " that one of the posters has coined .
Genius ! We should use that as a tag for all similar posts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.. from the forum that was linked into from Slashdot (well done for that btw kd)..."Wow, you're a little scary!
Well done.
" - I will use this the very next time one of my developer colleagues finally does a decent job.
"If Guy says you gun, you cannon.
No arguments about!
" - I will use this the next time one of my project manager "colleagues" puts his/her foot down about something technical that they don't know anything about.
"Already finished rope hook" - I will use this the next time I am telling a colleague that their code or document was so bad that instead of a review I had to re-write the whole thing.The best quote of course is the new term "Open DRM" that one of the posters has coined.
Genius! We should use that as a tag for all similar posts.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30533910</id>
	<title>DRM broken?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259754120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DMCA notification in 3, 2, 1...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DMCA notification in 3 , 2 , 1.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DMCA notification in 3, 2, 1...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30534436</id>
	<title>DRM or not, I just don't get it...</title>
	<author>TapeCutter</author>
	<datestamp>1259763660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Call me a ludite but I just don't see the point in paying $300AU for a device (DRM'd or otherwise) to read e-books that cost virtually the same as a real book. With real books I save $300 in up front costs and will never experience the frustration of batteries running out on the last chapter. And when I'm finished I can go to the seconhand bookshop and swap it over for another book for pennies. What's the attraction?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Call me a ludite but I just do n't see the point in paying $ 300AU for a device ( DRM 'd or otherwise ) to read e-books that cost virtually the same as a real book .
With real books I save $ 300 in up front costs and will never experience the frustration of batteries running out on the last chapter .
And when I 'm finished I can go to the seconhand bookshop and swap it over for another book for pennies .
What 's the attraction ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Call me a ludite but I just don't see the point in paying $300AU for a device (DRM'd or otherwise) to read e-books that cost virtually the same as a real book.
With real books I save $300 in up front costs and will never experience the frustration of batteries running out on the last chapter.
And when I'm finished I can go to the seconhand bookshop and swap it over for another book for pennies.
What's the attraction?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30537470</id>
	<title>Or more generally speaking...</title>
	<author>zill</author>
	<datestamp>1259782860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>All proprietary formats are inherently broken.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All proprietary formats are inherently broken .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All proprietary formats are inherently broken.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30534354</id>
	<title>Re:Too early</title>
	<author>DrXym</author>
	<datestamp>1259762880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I believe the earlier it happens the better. I do not see any positives for consumers if Amazon becomes the dominant player as might happen a few more years down the road. Anything that helps a more open (as in widely supported) alternative is to be applauded. Sites like Fictionwise is reflective of the complete mess the industry is in - look at the multitude of proprietary formats, DRMs and accompanying readers that books sell in. The sooner a single common format and delivery model that all publishers, sellers and device manufacturers can support appears the better.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe the earlier it happens the better .
I do not see any positives for consumers if Amazon becomes the dominant player as might happen a few more years down the road .
Anything that helps a more open ( as in widely supported ) alternative is to be applauded .
Sites like Fictionwise is reflective of the complete mess the industry is in - look at the multitude of proprietary formats , DRMs and accompanying readers that books sell in .
The sooner a single common format and delivery model that all publishers , sellers and device manufacturers can support appears the better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe the earlier it happens the better.
I do not see any positives for consumers if Amazon becomes the dominant player as might happen a few more years down the road.
Anything that helps a more open (as in widely supported) alternative is to be applauded.
Sites like Fictionwise is reflective of the complete mess the industry is in - look at the multitude of proprietary formats, DRMs and accompanying readers that books sell in.
The sooner a single common format and delivery model that all publishers, sellers and device manufacturers can support appears the better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30533966</id>
	<title>Re:Convert everything you have quick</title>
	<author>charlener</author>
	<datestamp>1259755620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know if it's that this took a year+ to break or if it's just that no one actually sat down to try it until a year or so. I'm not sure how great the overlap of e-book users and coding types is compared to, say, dvd viewers or itunes users and coders. Also could take a guess based on torrent activities - presumably there are lots more torrents of movies, tv series, music, etc. than e-books.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know if it 's that this took a year + to break or if it 's just that no one actually sat down to try it until a year or so .
I 'm not sure how great the overlap of e-book users and coding types is compared to , say , dvd viewers or itunes users and coders .
Also could take a guess based on torrent activities - presumably there are lots more torrents of movies , tv series , music , etc .
than e-books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know if it's that this took a year+ to break or if it's just that no one actually sat down to try it until a year or so.
I'm not sure how great the overlap of e-book users and coding types is compared to, say, dvd viewers or itunes users and coders.
Also could take a guess based on torrent activities - presumably there are lots more torrents of movies, tv series, music, etc.
than e-books.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30534214</id>
	<title>Re:Old old story.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259760960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only that but also <a href="http://blog.fsck.com/" title="fsck.com">Jessie Vincent</a> [fsck.com] showed at <a href="http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/detail/9010" title="oreilly.com">oscon</a> [oreilly.com] (his 5 minute speech starts at 2:13 on the video) How he already reversed engineered and installed ubuntu 9.04 on the Kindle. After watching his presentation and hearing about all the crap amazon actually does with these things, I am surprised anyone would still even consider buying one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only that but also Jessie Vincent [ fsck.com ] showed at oscon [ oreilly.com ] ( his 5 minute speech starts at 2 : 13 on the video ) How he already reversed engineered and installed ubuntu 9.04 on the Kindle .
After watching his presentation and hearing about all the crap amazon actually does with these things , I am surprised anyone would still even consider buying one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only that but also Jessie Vincent [fsck.com] showed at oscon [oreilly.com] (his 5 minute speech starts at 2:13 on the video) How he already reversed engineered and installed ubuntu 9.04 on the Kindle.
After watching his presentation and hearing about all the crap amazon actually does with these things, I am surprised anyone would still even consider buying one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30534986</id>
	<title>Re:Too early</title>
	<author>b1t r0t</author>
	<datestamp>1259768160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You make it sound like the DRM in iTMS was all Apple's idea. Guess what? <b>The labels required it.</b> All Apple did was say "this DRM format is ours and ours only". They never prevented you from playing un-DRMed music. Nor did they default to ripping CDs in DRM format like (IIRC) Windows Media Player did. Apple took longer to remove DRM music than other music stores simply because they had to wait for existing contracts to expire.
</p><p>Are you so sure that Apple's plan was to make themselves a (pseudo-) monopoly through their DRM? Or maybe the plan all along was to make the DRM distasteful enough for the labels that eventually they would give it up?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You make it sound like the DRM in iTMS was all Apple 's idea .
Guess what ?
The labels required it .
All Apple did was say " this DRM format is ours and ours only " .
They never prevented you from playing un-DRMed music .
Nor did they default to ripping CDs in DRM format like ( IIRC ) Windows Media Player did .
Apple took longer to remove DRM music than other music stores simply because they had to wait for existing contracts to expire .
Are you so sure that Apple 's plan was to make themselves a ( pseudo- ) monopoly through their DRM ?
Or maybe the plan all along was to make the DRM distasteful enough for the labels that eventually they would give it up ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You make it sound like the DRM in iTMS was all Apple's idea.
Guess what?
The labels required it.
All Apple did was say "this DRM format is ours and ours only".
They never prevented you from playing un-DRMed music.
Nor did they default to ripping CDs in DRM format like (IIRC) Windows Media Player did.
Apple took longer to remove DRM music than other music stores simply because they had to wait for existing contracts to expire.
Are you so sure that Apple's plan was to make themselves a (pseudo-) monopoly through their DRM?
Or maybe the plan all along was to make the DRM distasteful enough for the labels that eventually they would give it up?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30533942</id>
	<title>Too early</title>
	<author>OpenSourced</author>
	<datestamp>1259755200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Better to have waited a couple of years more, till much more books had been published in the DRM'd format. Publishers were starting to warm to the Kindle, and now they will retrench like timid snails.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Better to have waited a couple of years more , till much more books had been published in the DRM 'd format .
Publishers were starting to warm to the Kindle , and now they will retrench like timid snails .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better to have waited a couple of years more, till much more books had been published in the DRM'd format.
Publishers were starting to warm to the Kindle, and now they will retrench like timid snails.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30534780</id>
	<title>Re:Convert everything you have quick</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259766840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This has been doable for over a year, the Kindle team at Amazon knows it and they haven't change anything.</p><p>Now perhaps it making<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. will force them to do somethung because now the *publishers* know, but this isn't news to Amazon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This has been doable for over a year , the Kindle team at Amazon knows it and they have n't change anything.Now perhaps it making / .
will force them to do somethung because now the * publishers * know , but this is n't news to Amazon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This has been doable for over a year, the Kindle team at Amazon knows it and they haven't change anything.Now perhaps it making /.
will force them to do somethung because now the *publishers* know, but this isn't news to Amazon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30534808</id>
	<title>Re:Convert everything you have quick</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259767020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just finished reading a book to my son that originally belonged to my great-great grandfather.  Apart from it being a great story, it was humbling to join in a family tradition that has survived 6 generations.</p><p>What's the chance of a DRM'd Kindle ebook still being readable in 150 years?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just finished reading a book to my son that originally belonged to my great-great grandfather .
Apart from it being a great story , it was humbling to join in a family tradition that has survived 6 generations.What 's the chance of a DRM 'd Kindle ebook still being readable in 150 years ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just finished reading a book to my son that originally belonged to my great-great grandfather.
Apart from it being a great story, it was humbling to join in a family tradition that has survived 6 generations.What's the chance of a DRM'd Kindle ebook still being readable in 150 years?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30535498</id>
	<title>Re:Old old story.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259771280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Bad analogies are like waxing a monkey with a rainbow."<br>
<br>
But a good analogy is a smokin' pizza!</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Bad analogies are like waxing a monkey with a rainbow .
" But a good analogy is a smokin ' pizza !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Bad analogies are like waxing a monkey with a rainbow.
"

But a good analogy is a smokin' pizza!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30534008</id>
	<title>Users of alternative e-book readers rejoice.</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1259756520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Users of alternative e-book readers rejoice.</p></div><p>More like; "Amazon-dot-com and shareholders rejoice, as more people can now read your files, therefore you make more money from increased e-book sales."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Users of alternative e-book readers rejoice.More like ; " Amazon-dot-com and shareholders rejoice , as more people can now read your files , therefore you make more money from increased e-book sales .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Users of alternative e-book readers rejoice.More like; "Amazon-dot-com and shareholders rejoice, as more people can now read your files, therefore you make more money from increased e-book sales.
"
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30538304</id>
	<title>Re:Too early</title>
	<author>AK Marc</author>
	<datestamp>1259744820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>You make it sound like the DRM in iTMS was all Apple's idea. Guess what? The labels required it. All Apple did was say "this DRM format is ours and ours only". They never prevented you from playing un-DRMed music.</i> <br> <br>And I didn't get that from what he said.  He said that when DRM is used, and a monopoly ensues, then the DRM provider will have a monopoly over the supply chain, and then the content owners will no longer be the sole monopoly in distributing a particular piece of content.<br> <br>Who required the DRM in the first place is irrelevant.  And those that did require it, realized it made for a marketplace that reduced their options, so they are looking at removing DRM so that no one else can put them in the position Apple put them in.<br> <br>You are a little more focused on the why for DRM, but in no way do I see anything you say to be contrary (or even imply anything different) to what he said.  The content providers shot themselves in the foot with DRM on iTunes because Apple could then dictate terms to them, not the other way around that they are used to.<br> <br> <i>Are you so sure that Apple's plan was to make themselves a (pseudo-) monopoly through their DRM? Or maybe the plan all along was to make the DRM distasteful enough for the labels that eventually they would give it up?</i> <br> <br>I think they hoped their stuff would be successful.  However to think that they "planned" on securing a near-monopoly on online music seems silly.  As does thinking they'd be strong enough to make it distasteful.  It seems more like they did what they had to do to get into an area that they saw potential in, then, once in, leveraged their power to the extent possible.  They see that unencumbered music is worth more than DRM, so if they can sell it for the same price, they should sell more.  Even with a near-monopoly, they are looking at market pricing.  The content owners always look only at the monopoly pricing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You make it sound like the DRM in iTMS was all Apple 's idea .
Guess what ?
The labels required it .
All Apple did was say " this DRM format is ours and ours only " .
They never prevented you from playing un-DRMed music .
And I did n't get that from what he said .
He said that when DRM is used , and a monopoly ensues , then the DRM provider will have a monopoly over the supply chain , and then the content owners will no longer be the sole monopoly in distributing a particular piece of content .
Who required the DRM in the first place is irrelevant .
And those that did require it , realized it made for a marketplace that reduced their options , so they are looking at removing DRM so that no one else can put them in the position Apple put them in .
You are a little more focused on the why for DRM , but in no way do I see anything you say to be contrary ( or even imply anything different ) to what he said .
The content providers shot themselves in the foot with DRM on iTunes because Apple could then dictate terms to them , not the other way around that they are used to .
Are you so sure that Apple 's plan was to make themselves a ( pseudo- ) monopoly through their DRM ?
Or maybe the plan all along was to make the DRM distasteful enough for the labels that eventually they would give it up ?
I think they hoped their stuff would be successful .
However to think that they " planned " on securing a near-monopoly on online music seems silly .
As does thinking they 'd be strong enough to make it distasteful .
It seems more like they did what they had to do to get into an area that they saw potential in , then , once in , leveraged their power to the extent possible .
They see that unencumbered music is worth more than DRM , so if they can sell it for the same price , they should sell more .
Even with a near-monopoly , they are looking at market pricing .
The content owners always look only at the monopoly pricing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You make it sound like the DRM in iTMS was all Apple's idea.
Guess what?
The labels required it.
All Apple did was say "this DRM format is ours and ours only".
They never prevented you from playing un-DRMed music.
And I didn't get that from what he said.
He said that when DRM is used, and a monopoly ensues, then the DRM provider will have a monopoly over the supply chain, and then the content owners will no longer be the sole monopoly in distributing a particular piece of content.
Who required the DRM in the first place is irrelevant.
And those that did require it, realized it made for a marketplace that reduced their options, so they are looking at removing DRM so that no one else can put them in the position Apple put them in.
You are a little more focused on the why for DRM, but in no way do I see anything you say to be contrary (or even imply anything different) to what he said.
The content providers shot themselves in the foot with DRM on iTunes because Apple could then dictate terms to them, not the other way around that they are used to.
Are you so sure that Apple's plan was to make themselves a (pseudo-) monopoly through their DRM?
Or maybe the plan all along was to make the DRM distasteful enough for the labels that eventually they would give it up?
I think they hoped their stuff would be successful.
However to think that they "planned" on securing a near-monopoly on online music seems silly.
As does thinking they'd be strong enough to make it distasteful.
It seems more like they did what they had to do to get into an area that they saw potential in, then, once in, leveraged their power to the extent possible.
They see that unencumbered music is worth more than DRM, so if they can sell it for the same price, they should sell more.
Even with a near-monopoly, they are looking at market pricing.
The content owners always look only at the monopoly pricing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30535328</id>
	<title>Re:Convert everything you have quick</title>
	<author>clodney</author>
	<datestamp>1259770260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'd suggest converting every book you own really fucking quick.  No telling how long it will take Amazon to make a similar format that will take another year or so to break.  You can bet that once they do, they'll remotely switch everyone's ebooks over to that new format and then push a firmware upgrade to ensure compliance.</p></div><p>Or, I could say that my Kindle works just fine as is, and that the presence of the DRM has been a non-event for me.  In the event Amazon goes under I could be out of luck (though the most likely thing that would happen is that everything on my Kindle would continue to work for as long as the device lived).  But what are the odds that Amazon will disappear in the next few years?</p><p>I'd rather we lived in a world where nobody felt the need for DRM, but that is not the world we have.  Amazon and Apple seem to have about the most benign forms of DRM around, and I have been happy with the value I have received for my money.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd suggest converting every book you own really fucking quick .
No telling how long it will take Amazon to make a similar format that will take another year or so to break .
You can bet that once they do , they 'll remotely switch everyone 's ebooks over to that new format and then push a firmware upgrade to ensure compliance.Or , I could say that my Kindle works just fine as is , and that the presence of the DRM has been a non-event for me .
In the event Amazon goes under I could be out of luck ( though the most likely thing that would happen is that everything on my Kindle would continue to work for as long as the device lived ) .
But what are the odds that Amazon will disappear in the next few years ? I 'd rather we lived in a world where nobody felt the need for DRM , but that is not the world we have .
Amazon and Apple seem to have about the most benign forms of DRM around , and I have been happy with the value I have received for my money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd suggest converting every book you own really fucking quick.
No telling how long it will take Amazon to make a similar format that will take another year or so to break.
You can bet that once they do, they'll remotely switch everyone's ebooks over to that new format and then push a firmware upgrade to ensure compliance.Or, I could say that my Kindle works just fine as is, and that the presence of the DRM has been a non-event for me.
In the event Amazon goes under I could be out of luck (though the most likely thing that would happen is that everything on my Kindle would continue to work for as long as the device lived).
But what are the odds that Amazon will disappear in the next few years?I'd rather we lived in a world where nobody felt the need for DRM, but that is not the world we have.
Amazon and Apple seem to have about the most benign forms of DRM around, and I have been happy with the value I have received for my money.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30534352</id>
	<title>Re:Too early</title>
	<author>wvmarle</author>
	<datestamp>1259762820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If publishers were really thinking that, they were not really smart.
</p><p>DRM has two sides. The content producer, and the consumer. Both lose control to the DRM provider. Look at iTunes and the ITMS. Apple got a virtual monopoly on digital music players, so any music publisher wanting DRM and sell music online and wanting to have an audience larger than 10 would have to go to Apple. Apple knew that. It gave them a lot of pricing power and control.
</p><p>Now the music publishers realised that, and have started to sell non-DRM music, so they can at least dictate the terms again. There is competition between the stores: they all want to sell music.
</p><p>At the moment ebooks go the same way. Amazon is a giant, their Kindle is very popular. If a publisher wants to sell DRMed books, they have to go the Amazon/Kindle route. Great for Amazon: they have a double monopoly (readers and content). Not good for authors and publishers. Amazon can demand a greater profit on sales than in an open market, and if Amazon doesn't like your title too bad. You can not go for another DRM as the most common reader can not read it.
</p><p>I have argued the same before, and will continue to do: DRM goes away because it gives all control to the DRM provider. And the content provider (music labels, publishers, authors, movie studios, TV channels, etc) have to sing to their tune. On top of that it fragments the market: imagine, you are an author, you want to publish your book, and not knowing much about digital technology and distribution you want to "protect it against copying because otherwise everyone will steal my work" so you want to add that cool DRM technology. Then you have a choice of distributors: you could go with DRM1 and you get 40\% market share, as their DRM1Reader has a 40\% share of e-book readers. Or you could go with DRM2 and you get 30\%. DRM3 and DRM4 each have 15\% market share. And neither allows you to license to anyone else, so you can not reach more than 40\% of the market. </p><p>Of course everyone will go to the DRM1 company to grab the largest distribution potential for their work, which then grows and grows and grows to say 80\% of the market. And has full control over everything: distribution, pricing, commission for themselves, whether or not to promote/feature your work, etc. </p><p>That is what happened to Apple's iTunes. And that is the real reason why everyone is now selling DRM free music. Not because consumers do not like it because in this game no-one cares about the consumer as long as they consume. But the content owners lose control over their content, and lose sales.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If publishers were really thinking that , they were not really smart .
DRM has two sides .
The content producer , and the consumer .
Both lose control to the DRM provider .
Look at iTunes and the ITMS .
Apple got a virtual monopoly on digital music players , so any music publisher wanting DRM and sell music online and wanting to have an audience larger than 10 would have to go to Apple .
Apple knew that .
It gave them a lot of pricing power and control .
Now the music publishers realised that , and have started to sell non-DRM music , so they can at least dictate the terms again .
There is competition between the stores : they all want to sell music .
At the moment ebooks go the same way .
Amazon is a giant , their Kindle is very popular .
If a publisher wants to sell DRMed books , they have to go the Amazon/Kindle route .
Great for Amazon : they have a double monopoly ( readers and content ) .
Not good for authors and publishers .
Amazon can demand a greater profit on sales than in an open market , and if Amazon does n't like your title too bad .
You can not go for another DRM as the most common reader can not read it .
I have argued the same before , and will continue to do : DRM goes away because it gives all control to the DRM provider .
And the content provider ( music labels , publishers , authors , movie studios , TV channels , etc ) have to sing to their tune .
On top of that it fragments the market : imagine , you are an author , you want to publish your book , and not knowing much about digital technology and distribution you want to " protect it against copying because otherwise everyone will steal my work " so you want to add that cool DRM technology .
Then you have a choice of distributors : you could go with DRM1 and you get 40 \ % market share , as their DRM1Reader has a 40 \ % share of e-book readers .
Or you could go with DRM2 and you get 30 \ % .
DRM3 and DRM4 each have 15 \ % market share .
And neither allows you to license to anyone else , so you can not reach more than 40 \ % of the market .
Of course everyone will go to the DRM1 company to grab the largest distribution potential for their work , which then grows and grows and grows to say 80 \ % of the market .
And has full control over everything : distribution , pricing , commission for themselves , whether or not to promote/feature your work , etc .
That is what happened to Apple 's iTunes .
And that is the real reason why everyone is now selling DRM free music .
Not because consumers do not like it because in this game no-one cares about the consumer as long as they consume .
But the content owners lose control over their content , and lose sales .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If publishers were really thinking that, they were not really smart.
DRM has two sides.
The content producer, and the consumer.
Both lose control to the DRM provider.
Look at iTunes and the ITMS.
Apple got a virtual monopoly on digital music players, so any music publisher wanting DRM and sell music online and wanting to have an audience larger than 10 would have to go to Apple.
Apple knew that.
It gave them a lot of pricing power and control.
Now the music publishers realised that, and have started to sell non-DRM music, so they can at least dictate the terms again.
There is competition between the stores: they all want to sell music.
At the moment ebooks go the same way.
Amazon is a giant, their Kindle is very popular.
If a publisher wants to sell DRMed books, they have to go the Amazon/Kindle route.
Great for Amazon: they have a double monopoly (readers and content).
Not good for authors and publishers.
Amazon can demand a greater profit on sales than in an open market, and if Amazon doesn't like your title too bad.
You can not go for another DRM as the most common reader can not read it.
I have argued the same before, and will continue to do: DRM goes away because it gives all control to the DRM provider.
And the content provider (music labels, publishers, authors, movie studios, TV channels, etc) have to sing to their tune.
On top of that it fragments the market: imagine, you are an author, you want to publish your book, and not knowing much about digital technology and distribution you want to "protect it against copying because otherwise everyone will steal my work" so you want to add that cool DRM technology.
Then you have a choice of distributors: you could go with DRM1 and you get 40\% market share, as their DRM1Reader has a 40\% share of e-book readers.
Or you could go with DRM2 and you get 30\%.
DRM3 and DRM4 each have 15\% market share.
And neither allows you to license to anyone else, so you can not reach more than 40\% of the market.
Of course everyone will go to the DRM1 company to grab the largest distribution potential for their work, which then grows and grows and grows to say 80\% of the market.
And has full control over everything: distribution, pricing, commission for themselves, whether or not to promote/feature your work, etc.
That is what happened to Apple's iTunes.
And that is the real reason why everyone is now selling DRM free music.
Not because consumers do not like it because in this game no-one cares about the consumer as long as they consume.
But the content owners lose control over their content, and lose sales.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30533902</id>
	<title>Convert everything you have quick</title>
	<author>Mr. Freeman</author>
	<datestamp>1259753880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd suggest converting every book you own really fucking quick.  No telling how long it will take Amazon to make a similar format that will take another year or so to break.  You can bet that once they do, they'll remotely switch everyone's ebooks over to that new format and then push a firmware upgrade to ensure compliance.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd suggest converting every book you own really fucking quick .
No telling how long it will take Amazon to make a similar format that will take another year or so to break .
You can bet that once they do , they 'll remotely switch everyone 's ebooks over to that new format and then push a firmware upgrade to ensure compliance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd suggest converting every book you own really fucking quick.
No telling how long it will take Amazon to make a similar format that will take another year or so to break.
You can bet that once they do, they'll remotely switch everyone's ebooks over to that new format and then push a firmware upgrade to ensure compliance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30535936</id>
	<title>Alfred Hitchcock</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259774100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The paperback is interesting, but I find it will never replace the hardcover book. It makes a very poor doorstop."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The paperback is interesting , but I find it will never replace the hardcover book .
It makes a very poor doorstop .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The paperback is interesting, but I find it will never replace the hardcover book.
It makes a very poor doorstop.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30534836</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah. Right.</title>
	<author>IDtheTarget</author>
	<datestamp>1259767140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>More like; "Amazon-dot-com and shareholders rejoice, as more people can now read your files, therefore you make more money from increased e-book sales."</i> </p><p>You really think so?  You figure the hackers were disgruntled Amazon shareholders working to increase their quarterly dividends?  My perception is that this will result in increased piracy, i.e., distribution through non-authorized channels from whom the authors of the books are not compensated.</p></div><p>Not necessarily.  I prefer to read my books on my iPhone, using BookShelf.  I've been burned a couple of times by DRM, so I won't buy an eBook unless I can strip the DRM.  That way, once I've paid for the book, I won't have to worry about it being either taken away or rendered useless by a company going under.</p><p>I <b>*want*</b> to purchase my ebooks.  I <b>*don't*</b> want to pirate them or give away books I've purchased.  But I also *require* that I have the ability to read my purchases on whatever medium is convenient to me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>More like ; " Amazon-dot-com and shareholders rejoice , as more people can now read your files , therefore you make more money from increased e-book sales .
" You really think so ?
You figure the hackers were disgruntled Amazon shareholders working to increase their quarterly dividends ?
My perception is that this will result in increased piracy , i.e. , distribution through non-authorized channels from whom the authors of the books are not compensated.Not necessarily .
I prefer to read my books on my iPhone , using BookShelf .
I 've been burned a couple of times by DRM , so I wo n't buy an eBook unless I can strip the DRM .
That way , once I 've paid for the book , I wo n't have to worry about it being either taken away or rendered useless by a company going under.I * want * to purchase my ebooks .
I * do n't * want to pirate them or give away books I 've purchased .
But I also * require * that I have the ability to read my purchases on whatever medium is convenient to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> More like; "Amazon-dot-com and shareholders rejoice, as more people can now read your files, therefore you make more money from increased e-book sales.
" You really think so?
You figure the hackers were disgruntled Amazon shareholders working to increase their quarterly dividends?
My perception is that this will result in increased piracy, i.e., distribution through non-authorized channels from whom the authors of the books are not compensated.Not necessarily.
I prefer to read my books on my iPhone, using BookShelf.
I've been burned a couple of times by DRM, so I won't buy an eBook unless I can strip the DRM.
That way, once I've paid for the book, I won't have to worry about it being either taken away or rendered useless by a company going under.I *want* to purchase my ebooks.
I *don't* want to pirate them or give away books I've purchased.
But I also *require* that I have the ability to read my purchases on whatever medium is convenient to me.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30534804</id>
	<title>Re:Too early</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259766960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is a damn interesting take on it, one which had not occured to me. Good thinking !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is a damn interesting take on it , one which had not occured to me .
Good thinking !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is a damn interesting take on it, one which had not occured to me.
Good thinking !</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30537370</id>
	<title>Yeah, and the fucked themselves.</title>
	<author>maillemaker</author>
	<datestamp>1259782260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;The labels required it.</p><p>Yeah, and they fucked themselves by doing it.  I tend to side with the OP that the reason why DRM is falling out of favor is because the content providers are realizing that the protection DRM offers (which is negligible) is not worth putting all your market share at the control of the DRM provider.</p><p>No doubt the music labels originally required it.  That's because they 1) thought it would work and 2) didn't realize the control they were giving up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; The labels required it.Yeah , and they fucked themselves by doing it .
I tend to side with the OP that the reason why DRM is falling out of favor is because the content providers are realizing that the protection DRM offers ( which is negligible ) is not worth putting all your market share at the control of the DRM provider.No doubt the music labels originally required it .
That 's because they 1 ) thought it would work and 2 ) did n't realize the control they were giving up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;The labels required it.Yeah, and they fucked themselves by doing it.
I tend to side with the OP that the reason why DRM is falling out of favor is because the content providers are realizing that the protection DRM offers (which is negligible) is not worth putting all your market share at the control of the DRM provider.No doubt the music labels originally required it.
That's because they 1) thought it would work and 2) didn't realize the control they were giving up.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30534572</id>
	<title>Re:DRM or not, I just don't get it...</title>
	<author>rbphilip</author>
	<datestamp>1259764980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>OK. You're a Luddite.</htmltext>
<tokenext>OK. You 're a Luddite .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK. You're a Luddite.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30534316</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah. Right.</title>
	<author>thisnamestoolong</author>
	<datestamp>1259762340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not quite sure you are correct there -- I was not in the market for an e-book reader (I like the dead tree editions, personally), but if I were, I would specifically seek out one that did not use DRM. For something that I am interested in -- I would have been on board with iTunes years ago had they not used DRM. As someone who spends a LOT of money on music, I can say with 100\% certainty that the time they had DRM on their files, they lost literally thousands of dollars in sales from me alone. I know that there are not many people that are knowledgeable enough (or care enough) to do this, but I am also sure that I am not alone. I am also fairly certain that the types of people who are inclined to care are also people that would invest a great deal in a quality collection -- so they are in effect turning away a large amount of really good customers. This is the main problem with DRM -- it significantly lowers the value of your product. When the only way to obtain a product is with DRM, the pirated version is by default the better product. Even if removing the DRM would increase piracy, it would also drastically increase sales, as I'm sure there are a great deal of people on the fence, as I was with iTunes, going on to purchase rival e-Book readers and picking up books from different stores to ensure that they can still access the books that they paid for 5 years from now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not quite sure you are correct there -- I was not in the market for an e-book reader ( I like the dead tree editions , personally ) , but if I were , I would specifically seek out one that did not use DRM .
For something that I am interested in -- I would have been on board with iTunes years ago had they not used DRM .
As someone who spends a LOT of money on music , I can say with 100 \ % certainty that the time they had DRM on their files , they lost literally thousands of dollars in sales from me alone .
I know that there are not many people that are knowledgeable enough ( or care enough ) to do this , but I am also sure that I am not alone .
I am also fairly certain that the types of people who are inclined to care are also people that would invest a great deal in a quality collection -- so they are in effect turning away a large amount of really good customers .
This is the main problem with DRM -- it significantly lowers the value of your product .
When the only way to obtain a product is with DRM , the pirated version is by default the better product .
Even if removing the DRM would increase piracy , it would also drastically increase sales , as I 'm sure there are a great deal of people on the fence , as I was with iTunes , going on to purchase rival e-Book readers and picking up books from different stores to ensure that they can still access the books that they paid for 5 years from now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not quite sure you are correct there -- I was not in the market for an e-book reader (I like the dead tree editions, personally), but if I were, I would specifically seek out one that did not use DRM.
For something that I am interested in -- I would have been on board with iTunes years ago had they not used DRM.
As someone who spends a LOT of money on music, I can say with 100\% certainty that the time they had DRM on their files, they lost literally thousands of dollars in sales from me alone.
I know that there are not many people that are knowledgeable enough (or care enough) to do this, but I am also sure that I am not alone.
I am also fairly certain that the types of people who are inclined to care are also people that would invest a great deal in a quality collection -- so they are in effect turning away a large amount of really good customers.
This is the main problem with DRM -- it significantly lowers the value of your product.
When the only way to obtain a product is with DRM, the pirated version is by default the better product.
Even if removing the DRM would increase piracy, it would also drastically increase sales, as I'm sure there are a great deal of people on the fence, as I was with iTunes, going on to purchase rival e-Book readers and picking up books from different stores to ensure that they can still access the books that they paid for 5 years from now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30534104</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah. Right.</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1259758320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You really think so? You figure the hackers were disgruntled Amazon shareholders working to increase their quarterly dividends?</p></div><p>I'm not sure where you get that idea from. I'm pretty sure most Amazon shareholders aren't hackers, and wouldn't support the idea of hacking the Kindle - until they see they increase in revenue that results.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>My perception is that this will result in increased piracy, i.e., distribution through non-authorized channels from whom the authors of the books are not compensated.</p></div><p>Why would pirates need to hack the Kindle in order to pirate books? There are already plenty of unprotected sources available to them.  To get the content via hacking Kindle files, they would need to buy the Kindle file in the first place, resulting in a sale that Amazon wouldn't have otherwise made.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You really think so ?
You figure the hackers were disgruntled Amazon shareholders working to increase their quarterly dividends ? I 'm not sure where you get that idea from .
I 'm pretty sure most Amazon shareholders are n't hackers , and would n't support the idea of hacking the Kindle - until they see they increase in revenue that results.My perception is that this will result in increased piracy , i.e. , distribution through non-authorized channels from whom the authors of the books are not compensated.Why would pirates need to hack the Kindle in order to pirate books ?
There are already plenty of unprotected sources available to them .
To get the content via hacking Kindle files , they would need to buy the Kindle file in the first place , resulting in a sale that Amazon would n't have otherwise made .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You really think so?
You figure the hackers were disgruntled Amazon shareholders working to increase their quarterly dividends?I'm not sure where you get that idea from.
I'm pretty sure most Amazon shareholders aren't hackers, and wouldn't support the idea of hacking the Kindle - until they see they increase in revenue that results.My perception is that this will result in increased piracy, i.e., distribution through non-authorized channels from whom the authors of the books are not compensated.Why would pirates need to hack the Kindle in order to pirate books?
There are already plenty of unprotected sources available to them.
To get the content via hacking Kindle files, they would need to buy the Kindle file in the first place, resulting in a sale that Amazon wouldn't have otherwise made.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30535326</id>
	<title>Re:DRM or not, I just don't get it...</title>
	<author>ErikZ</author>
	<datestamp>1259770200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you ever had to move 8 moving boxes filled with paperbacks, and pay for the privilege every time you moved? That was my tipping point.</p><p>The ability to easily move your collection and to shop for new books without finding a bookstore are the best parts for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you ever had to move 8 moving boxes filled with paperbacks , and pay for the privilege every time you moved ?
That was my tipping point.The ability to easily move your collection and to shop for new books without finding a bookstore are the best parts for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you ever had to move 8 moving boxes filled with paperbacks, and pay for the privilege every time you moved?
That was my tipping point.The ability to easily move your collection and to shop for new books without finding a bookstore are the best parts for me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30534166</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing new?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259760060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Wait, I've been using MobiDeDRM for a while with my Kindle's Mobi serial number to strip the DRM and leave me with Mobi files. How is this different, exactly?</p></div><p>This gets the Mobi serial number from the Kindle For PC application. Now you don't need to own a Kindle or iPhone to buy Kindle books.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , I 've been using MobiDeDRM for a while with my Kindle 's Mobi serial number to strip the DRM and leave me with Mobi files .
How is this different , exactly ? This gets the Mobi serial number from the Kindle For PC application .
Now you do n't need to own a Kindle or iPhone to buy Kindle books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, I've been using MobiDeDRM for a while with my Kindle's Mobi serial number to strip the DRM and leave me with Mobi files.
How is this different, exactly?This gets the Mobi serial number from the Kindle For PC application.
Now you don't need to own a Kindle or iPhone to buy Kindle books.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30533900</id>
	<title>Nothing new?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259753820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait, I've been using MobiDeDRM for a while with my Kindle's Mobi serial number to strip the DRM and leave me with Mobi files. How is this different, exactly?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , I 've been using MobiDeDRM for a while with my Kindle 's Mobi serial number to strip the DRM and leave me with Mobi files .
How is this different , exactly ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, I've been using MobiDeDRM for a while with my Kindle's Mobi serial number to strip the DRM and leave me with Mobi files.
How is this different, exactly?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30535948</id>
	<title>Re:Too early</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259774160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"it gives all control to the DRM provider"</p><p>control is an illusion</p><p>all illusionary things are eventually seen through</p><p>sadly, most people love to live under illusions</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" it gives all control to the DRM provider " control is an illusionall illusionary things are eventually seen throughsadly , most people love to live under illusions</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"it gives all control to the DRM provider"control is an illusionall illusionary things are eventually seen throughsadly, most people love to live under illusions</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_23_028215.30534946</id>
	<title>eBook *need* piracy</title>
	<author>aepervius</author>
	<datestamp>1259767800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Once piracy take off and a lot of people start to be itnerrested into eBook, then real usage and real sale will pick up. until then it is a niche market.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Once piracy take off and a lot of people start to be itnerrested into eBook , then real usage and real sale will pick up .
until then it is a niche market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once piracy take off and a lot of people start to be itnerrested into eBook, then real usage and real sale will pick up.
until then it is a niche market.</sentencetext>
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