<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_22_2025243</id>
	<title>Citibank Denies Reported Breach Linked To Russian Gang</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1261479660000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>alphadogg writes <i>"US authorities are investigating the <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126145280820801177.html?mod=WSJ\_hpp\_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection">theft of an estimated tens of millions of dollars</a> from Citibank by criminals using Russian software tailored for the attack, according to the Wall Street Journal (subscription required to access that link &mdash; <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009\_3-10420308-83.html">CNET's coverage here</a>). The security breach at the major US bank was detected mid-year based on traffic from Internet addresses formerly used by the Russian Business Network gang, the WSJ reported today, citing unnamed government sources. The Russian Business Network is a well-known group linked to malicious software, hacking, child pornography, and spam. The FBI is probing the case, the report said. It was not known whether the money had been recovered and a Citibank representative said the company denied any system breach or losses, according to the report."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>alphadogg writes " US authorities are investigating the theft of an estimated tens of millions of dollars from Citibank by criminals using Russian software tailored for the attack , according to the Wall Street Journal ( subscription required to access that link    CNET 's coverage here ) .
The security breach at the major US bank was detected mid-year based on traffic from Internet addresses formerly used by the Russian Business Network gang , the WSJ reported today , citing unnamed government sources .
The Russian Business Network is a well-known group linked to malicious software , hacking , child pornography , and spam .
The FBI is probing the case , the report said .
It was not known whether the money had been recovered and a Citibank representative said the company denied any system breach or losses , according to the report .
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<sentencetext>alphadogg writes "US authorities are investigating the theft of an estimated tens of millions of dollars from Citibank by criminals using Russian software tailored for the attack, according to the Wall Street Journal (subscription required to access that link — CNET's coverage here).
The security breach at the major US bank was detected mid-year based on traffic from Internet addresses formerly used by the Russian Business Network gang, the WSJ reported today, citing unnamed government sources.
The Russian Business Network is a well-known group linked to malicious software, hacking, child pornography, and spam.
The FBI is probing the case, the report said.
It was not known whether the money had been recovered and a Citibank representative said the company denied any system breach or losses, according to the report.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30531514</id>
	<title>Great points, plover!</title>
	<author>sgt\_doom</author>
	<datestamp>1261490340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>And speaking of PURE SPECULATION, which is what Citi does through it's energy/oil speculating subsidiary, Phibro, everyone knows Citi pissed away all their money by their purchase of all those credit default swaps and other categories of credit derivatives; thereby giving those enormous fortunes to the Robert Rubin family (and the others who are now members of the George W. Obama Administration.....)</htmltext>
<tokenext>And speaking of PURE SPECULATION , which is what Citi does through it 's energy/oil speculating subsidiary , Phibro , everyone knows Citi pissed away all their money by their purchase of all those credit default swaps and other categories of credit derivatives ; thereby giving those enormous fortunes to the Robert Rubin family ( and the others who are now members of the George W. Obama Administration..... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And speaking of PURE SPECULATION, which is what Citi does through it's energy/oil speculating subsidiary, Phibro, everyone knows Citi pissed away all their money by their purchase of all those credit default swaps and other categories of credit derivatives; thereby giving those enormous fortunes to the Robert Rubin family (and the others who are now members of the George W. Obama Administration.....)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30531768</id>
	<title>Re:Citibank != Russian Gang ?</title>
	<author>lorenlal</author>
	<datestamp>1261492800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citigroup#Criticism" title="wikipedia.org">Just in case folks need a citation for the above</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just in case folks need a citation for the above [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just in case folks need a citation for the above [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30533132</id>
	<title>Re:Can the FBI/CIA actually do anything about it?</title>
	<author>witherstaff</author>
	<datestamp>1261510920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since when has congress cared about that old thing called the constitution? It sure hasn't stopped them with <a href="http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/55971" title="cnsnews.com">health care "reform"</a> [cnsnews.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when has congress cared about that old thing called the constitution ?
It sure has n't stopped them with health care " reform " [ cnsnews.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when has congress cared about that old thing called the constitution?
It sure hasn't stopped them with health care "reform" [cnsnews.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30531978</id>
	<title>Re:Can the FBI/CIA actually do anything about it?</title>
	<author>duck99</author>
	<datestamp>1261495500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>wow @yahoo thats epic</htmltext>
<tokenext>wow @ yahoo thats epic</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wow @yahoo thats epic</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30531688</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30531036</id>
	<title>Cash loss is better than trust lost</title>
	<author>assemblerex</author>
	<datestamp>1261486200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Cash is replenishable, trust is not as it has to be earned.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cash is replenishable , trust is not as it has to be earned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cash is replenishable, trust is not as it has to be earned.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30531986</id>
	<title>In related news...</title>
	<author>straponego</author>
	<datestamp>1261495560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Last year Citi sent me a new card, because they said they'd lost three million credit card numbers to thieves.  Well, they claimed it was a merchant, but since they wouldn't reveal who it was so that I could cease doing business with them, clearly Citibank is assuming full responsibility.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Last year Citi sent me a new card , because they said they 'd lost three million credit card numbers to thieves .
Well , they claimed it was a merchant , but since they would n't reveal who it was so that I could cease doing business with them , clearly Citibank is assuming full responsibility .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last year Citi sent me a new card, because they said they'd lost three million credit card numbers to thieves.
Well, they claimed it was a merchant, but since they wouldn't reveal who it was so that I could cease doing business with them, clearly Citibank is assuming full responsibility.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30534258</id>
	<title>Bloody Wan err Bankers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259761620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1)No breach?  Like they'd tell us the truth anyways<br>2) Cause Chaos in the banking system? - they can do that perfectly well themselves.<br>3) No money lost? well you managed to lose over 60 billion alone last year so forgive me if I dont trust your record  so far.<br>4)  ?</p><p>5) Profit - claim the insurance for the stolen funds  from the Government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) No breach ?
Like they 'd tell us the truth anyways2 ) Cause Chaos in the banking system ?
- they can do that perfectly well themselves.3 ) No money lost ?
well you managed to lose over 60 billion alone last year so forgive me if I dont trust your record so far.4 ) ? 5 ) Profit - claim the insurance for the stolen funds from the Government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1)No breach?
Like they'd tell us the truth anyways2) Cause Chaos in the banking system?
- they can do that perfectly well themselves.3) No money lost?
well you managed to lose over 60 billion alone last year so forgive me if I dont trust your record  so far.4)  ?5) Profit - claim the insurance for the stolen funds  from the Government.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30533310</id>
	<title>Story smells of Occult practices</title>
	<author>j0ebaker</author>
	<datestamp>1259785260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find it interesting that the attribute 5 things to this "Russian"<br>business network.</p><p>5 is an occult power number for encumbering the help of Gnosticism's 5<br>dark evil demi-urges that are accredited with creating this world.</p><p>The bankers are masters of deception and occult hand waving.  Who else<br>could conjure up money out of thin air for you to buy your house with<br>and then enslave you to pay the sum back times 3?  May the bankers be<br>fully exposed and bear the shame and may they seek our forgiveness on<br>their knees.  May we never, ever be deceived financially by the<br>Knights of Malta, the Masons, The Catholic Church or any other secret<br>society / religion which seeks to control our minds with occult<br>practices to enslave us.</p><p>Ah, that felt good to get off my chest.</p><p>- -Joey</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find it interesting that the attribute 5 things to this " Russian " business network.5 is an occult power number for encumbering the help of Gnosticism 's 5dark evil demi-urges that are accredited with creating this world.The bankers are masters of deception and occult hand waving .
Who elsecould conjure up money out of thin air for you to buy your house withand then enslave you to pay the sum back times 3 ?
May the bankers befully exposed and bear the shame and may they seek our forgiveness ontheir knees .
May we never , ever be deceived financially by theKnights of Malta , the Masons , The Catholic Church or any other secretsociety / religion which seeks to control our minds with occultpractices to enslave us.Ah , that felt good to get off my chest.- -Joey</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find it interesting that the attribute 5 things to this "Russian"business network.5 is an occult power number for encumbering the help of Gnosticism's 5dark evil demi-urges that are accredited with creating this world.The bankers are masters of deception and occult hand waving.
Who elsecould conjure up money out of thin air for you to buy your house withand then enslave you to pay the sum back times 3?
May the bankers befully exposed and bear the shame and may they seek our forgiveness ontheir knees.
May we never, ever be deceived financially by theKnights of Malta, the Masons, The Catholic Church or any other secretsociety / religion which seeks to control our minds with occultpractices to enslave us.Ah, that felt good to get off my chest.- -Joey</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30530780</id>
	<title>Use the chinese software instead</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1261484640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Kuang Grade Mark Eleven Penetration Program is the way to go. But you need a live person at the controls. Not a flatline, because Neuromancer knows his every move in advance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Kuang Grade Mark Eleven Penetration Program is the way to go .
But you need a live person at the controls .
Not a flatline , because Neuromancer knows his every move in advance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Kuang Grade Mark Eleven Penetration Program is the way to go.
But you need a live person at the controls.
Not a flatline, because Neuromancer knows his every move in advance.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30532678</id>
	<title>Gotta love the doublespeak</title>
	<author>Weaselmancer</author>
	<datestamp>1261504380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>The FBI is probing the case, the report said. It was not known whether the money had been recovered and a Citibank representative said the company denied any system breach or losses, according to the report.</i>

</p><p>There was no system breach!  And the money was probably recovered anyways!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The FBI is probing the case , the report said .
It was not known whether the money had been recovered and a Citibank representative said the company denied any system breach or losses , according to the report .
There was no system breach !
And the money was probably recovered anyways !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The FBI is probing the case, the report said.
It was not known whether the money had been recovered and a Citibank representative said the company denied any system breach or losses, according to the report.
There was no system breach!
And the money was probably recovered anyways!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30530646</id>
	<title>Citibank != Russian Gang ?</title>
	<author>PolygamousRanchKid </author>
	<datestamp>1261483860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I honestly thought they were one and the same.
</p><p>Maybe someone can enumerate for me, the differences between Citibank and a Russian Gang . . .
</p><p>Rips off governments for millions . . . check
</p><p>Rips off people for millions . . . check</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I honestly thought they were one and the same .
Maybe someone can enumerate for me , the differences between Citibank and a Russian Gang .
. .
Rips off governments for millions .
. .
check Rips off people for millions .
. .
check</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I honestly thought they were one and the same.
Maybe someone can enumerate for me, the differences between Citibank and a Russian Gang .
. .
Rips off governments for millions .
. .
check
Rips off people for millions .
. .
check</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30530582</id>
	<title>interesting....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261483500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Somewhere there must exist a line that delineates the "hot" forms of shit-eating from the "gross and disgusting" forms of shit-eating. I suggest that line can be found thusly:</p><p>Suppose there's an anal gang-bang going on. Some chick is on her knees, maybe strapped to a board on the floor by her ankles and wrists, and a couple dozen guys are running train on her asshole. Cock after cock makes its way into her rectum and fucks her insides out until it deposits a fresh hot load of cum deep in her bowels.</p><p>After several of the guys have had their turn, churning the growing jizzmix in her gut, now let's say she's released from the board and allowed to rear-back so the frothy contents of her colon flow out past her distended, useless sphincter and into a bowl on the floor.</p><p>And now suppose she raises the bowl to her lips and drinks the mixture down.</p><p>In the cleanest of circumstances, the contents of the bowl are likely to be the same pure whitish that they were when they first went into her ass. But more than likely, the aggressive backdoor pounding and multiple shapes, sizes and angles of thrust have almost certainly shaken loose a little fecal matter and given the bowl of amalgamated come an ever-so-slightly brownish tint.</p><p>Still, watching this asswhore gulp down two dozen loads of manjuice fresh from her ass with her own essence mixed in is undeniably hot.</p><p>But, if you simply add a couple rabbit pellets to the mix -- tiny turds the size of a pea or gumdrop that fall out of her stretched rear cavity along with the nut -- then somehow this whole idea appears to be unseemly all of a sudden.</p><p>Thus we can discern that the line from disgustingly hot to simply disgusting falls between these two fairly close poles.</p><p>In sum, I think it can be analogized to spices, like cinnamon or nutmeg. A light addition to add flavor, color and aroma is welcome. But nobody really wants to suck on a mouthful.</p><p>Agreement? Disagreement? Refinement?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Somewhere there must exist a line that delineates the " hot " forms of shit-eating from the " gross and disgusting " forms of shit-eating .
I suggest that line can be found thusly : Suppose there 's an anal gang-bang going on .
Some chick is on her knees , maybe strapped to a board on the floor by her ankles and wrists , and a couple dozen guys are running train on her asshole .
Cock after cock makes its way into her rectum and fucks her insides out until it deposits a fresh hot load of cum deep in her bowels.After several of the guys have had their turn , churning the growing jizzmix in her gut , now let 's say she 's released from the board and allowed to rear-back so the frothy contents of her colon flow out past her distended , useless sphincter and into a bowl on the floor.And now suppose she raises the bowl to her lips and drinks the mixture down.In the cleanest of circumstances , the contents of the bowl are likely to be the same pure whitish that they were when they first went into her ass .
But more than likely , the aggressive backdoor pounding and multiple shapes , sizes and angles of thrust have almost certainly shaken loose a little fecal matter and given the bowl of amalgamated come an ever-so-slightly brownish tint.Still , watching this asswhore gulp down two dozen loads of manjuice fresh from her ass with her own essence mixed in is undeniably hot.But , if you simply add a couple rabbit pellets to the mix -- tiny turds the size of a pea or gumdrop that fall out of her stretched rear cavity along with the nut -- then somehow this whole idea appears to be unseemly all of a sudden.Thus we can discern that the line from disgustingly hot to simply disgusting falls between these two fairly close poles.In sum , I think it can be analogized to spices , like cinnamon or nutmeg .
A light addition to add flavor , color and aroma is welcome .
But nobody really wants to suck on a mouthful.Agreement ?
Disagreement ? Refinement ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Somewhere there must exist a line that delineates the "hot" forms of shit-eating from the "gross and disgusting" forms of shit-eating.
I suggest that line can be found thusly:Suppose there's an anal gang-bang going on.
Some chick is on her knees, maybe strapped to a board on the floor by her ankles and wrists, and a couple dozen guys are running train on her asshole.
Cock after cock makes its way into her rectum and fucks her insides out until it deposits a fresh hot load of cum deep in her bowels.After several of the guys have had their turn, churning the growing jizzmix in her gut, now let's say she's released from the board and allowed to rear-back so the frothy contents of her colon flow out past her distended, useless sphincter and into a bowl on the floor.And now suppose she raises the bowl to her lips and drinks the mixture down.In the cleanest of circumstances, the contents of the bowl are likely to be the same pure whitish that they were when they first went into her ass.
But more than likely, the aggressive backdoor pounding and multiple shapes, sizes and angles of thrust have almost certainly shaken loose a little fecal matter and given the bowl of amalgamated come an ever-so-slightly brownish tint.Still, watching this asswhore gulp down two dozen loads of manjuice fresh from her ass with her own essence mixed in is undeniably hot.But, if you simply add a couple rabbit pellets to the mix -- tiny turds the size of a pea or gumdrop that fall out of her stretched rear cavity along with the nut -- then somehow this whole idea appears to be unseemly all of a sudden.Thus we can discern that the line from disgustingly hot to simply disgusting falls between these two fairly close poles.In sum, I think it can be analogized to spices, like cinnamon or nutmeg.
A light addition to add flavor, color and aroma is welcome.
But nobody really wants to suck on a mouthful.Agreement?
Disagreement? Refinement?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30530704</id>
	<title>Drop in the bucket</title>
	<author>FrameRotBlues</author>
	<datestamp>1261484160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://bailout.propublica.org/entities/96-citigroup" title="propublica.org">This site</a> [propublica.org] says Citigroup received 50 billion from the Fed.  The little bit that was stolen is just a drop in the bucket.  Dillenger probably did better percentage-wise in the 1930's with a gun and some balls.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This site [ propublica.org ] says Citigroup received 50 billion from the Fed .
The little bit that was stolen is just a drop in the bucket .
Dillenger probably did better percentage-wise in the 1930 's with a gun and some balls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This site [propublica.org] says Citigroup received 50 billion from the Fed.
The little bit that was stolen is just a drop in the bucket.
Dillenger probably did better percentage-wise in the 1930's with a gun and some balls.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30530952</id>
	<title>mod up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261485720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>is dying.Thinjgs</htmltext>
<tokenext>is dying.Thinjgs</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is dying.Thinjgs</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30532822</id>
	<title>Re:Can the FBI/CIA actually do anything about it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261506660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This of course would be the usual security after thought and not functional until after DDOS'd by Mafiaboy right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This of course would be the usual security after thought and not functional until after DDOS 'd by Mafiaboy right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This of course would be the usual security after thought and not functional until after DDOS'd by Mafiaboy right?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30530606</id>
	<title>WSJ article was misleading</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261483620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The reporter was trying to link a bunch of separate things together.</p><p>1.  Black Energy conducted a DDoS against Citibank, but did not steal tens of millions of dollars from them.</p><p>2.  Last year, Citi lost tens of millions of dollars from skimmers attached to ATMs.</p><p>3.  The hacker Cr4sh is the author of Black Energy, but there is no evidence he was involved in the attack on Citi.</p><p>There is nothing relating these three incidents other than the wishes of an aggressive reporter wanting to build some kind of story against City; *perhaps* he's trying to pump up a case to make it appear they are risking bailout money.  But at least when I type this kind of crap I'm labeling it for what it is: PURE SPECULATION.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The reporter was trying to link a bunch of separate things together.1 .
Black Energy conducted a DDoS against Citibank , but did not steal tens of millions of dollars from them.2 .
Last year , Citi lost tens of millions of dollars from skimmers attached to ATMs.3 .
The hacker Cr4sh is the author of Black Energy , but there is no evidence he was involved in the attack on Citi.There is nothing relating these three incidents other than the wishes of an aggressive reporter wanting to build some kind of story against City ; * perhaps * he 's trying to pump up a case to make it appear they are risking bailout money .
But at least when I type this kind of crap I 'm labeling it for what it is : PURE SPECULATION .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reporter was trying to link a bunch of separate things together.1.
Black Energy conducted a DDoS against Citibank, but did not steal tens of millions of dollars from them.2.
Last year, Citi lost tens of millions of dollars from skimmers attached to ATMs.3.
The hacker Cr4sh is the author of Black Energy, but there is no evidence he was involved in the attack on Citi.There is nothing relating these three incidents other than the wishes of an aggressive reporter wanting to build some kind of story against City; *perhaps* he's trying to pump up a case to make it appear they are risking bailout money.
But at least when I type this kind of crap I'm labeling it for what it is: PURE SPECULATION.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30537162</id>
	<title>Re:Denial seems to be in this year</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1259781000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Best way to deal with this, is host your own site.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Best way to deal with this , is host your own site .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Best way to deal with this, is host your own site.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30531454</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30530634</id>
	<title>In other news...</title>
	<author>tyroneking</author>
	<datestamp>1261483740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... the US and UK public are asking for an investigation into the apparent transfer of billions of dollars of public money to major banks. No-one is probing the case and yet the govt and banks are not denying any breach of the political and economic systems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... the US and UK public are asking for an investigation into the apparent transfer of billions of dollars of public money to major banks .
No-one is probing the case and yet the govt and banks are not denying any breach of the political and economic systems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... the US and UK public are asking for an investigation into the apparent transfer of billions of dollars of public money to major banks.
No-one is probing the case and yet the govt and banks are not denying any breach of the political and economic systems.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30532156</id>
	<title>Re:WSJ article was misleading (Flavour mix)</title>
	<author>Storchei</author>
	<datestamp>1261497480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126145280820801177.html" title="wsj.com" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126145280820801177.html</a> [wsj.com] <br>
They wouldn't find an elephant in a two-meter square room.<br>
It seems they're hiding info, self interests implicated maybe?<p><div class="quote"><p> <i>Joe Petro</i>, managing director of Citigroup's Security and Investigative services, said, "We had no breach of the system and there were no losses, no customer losses, no bank losses."</p></div><p>
Apparently those <i>tens of millions of dollars</i> would have been on holiday somewhere around Cayman Islands, hehehe!<br> <br>
On the other hand, I've found no mention in WSJ article to child pornography. Where did that come from? It only rests to say these thieves are terrorists and are supposed to be linked to al-qaeda.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Losses to online crime of all types exceeded $260 million in the U.S. last year, the FBI estimates.</p></div><p>At least is much less than the amount that was paid to <i>rescue</i> US banks during the last crisis by US people.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //online.wsj.com/article/SB126145280820801177.html [ wsj.com ] They would n't find an elephant in a two-meter square room .
It seems they 're hiding info , self interests implicated maybe ?
Joe Petro , managing director of Citigroup 's Security and Investigative services , said , " We had no breach of the system and there were no losses , no customer losses , no bank losses .
" Apparently those tens of millions of dollars would have been on holiday somewhere around Cayman Islands , hehehe !
On the other hand , I 've found no mention in WSJ article to child pornography .
Where did that come from ?
It only rests to say these thieves are terrorists and are supposed to be linked to al-qaeda.Losses to online crime of all types exceeded $ 260 million in the U.S. last year , the FBI estimates.At least is much less than the amount that was paid to rescue US banks during the last crisis by US people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126145280820801177.html [wsj.com] 
They wouldn't find an elephant in a two-meter square room.
It seems they're hiding info, self interests implicated maybe?
Joe Petro, managing director of Citigroup's Security and Investigative services, said, "We had no breach of the system and there were no losses, no customer losses, no bank losses.
"
Apparently those tens of millions of dollars would have been on holiday somewhere around Cayman Islands, hehehe!
On the other hand, I've found no mention in WSJ article to child pornography.
Where did that come from?
It only rests to say these thieves are terrorists and are supposed to be linked to al-qaeda.Losses to online crime of all types exceeded $260 million in the U.S. last year, the FBI estimates.At least is much less than the amount that was paid to rescue US banks during the last crisis by US people.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30530568</id>
	<title>Paywalls suck</title>
	<author>TSHTF</author>
	<datestamp>1261483440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Article is behind a paywall.

Search for it with <a href="http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&amp;pz=1&amp;cf=all&amp;ned=us&amp;hl=en&amp;q=FBI+Probes+Hack+at+Citibank+" title="google.com">Google News</a> [google.com], and the WSJ will let you read it all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Article is behind a paywall .
Search for it with Google News [ google.com ] , and the WSJ will let you read it all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Article is behind a paywall.
Search for it with Google News [google.com], and the WSJ will let you read it all.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30530576</id>
	<title>In Soviet Russia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261483500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Money Steals YOU! AhahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHA man, I'm so fuckin' clever. Thats why I'm on Slashdot instead of Digg, man. I'm so fucking intelligent and clever. NOBODY though of that joke before I did. Man, +5 funny. +5 funny. A motherfuckin' gem.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Money Steals YOU !
AhahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHA man , I 'm so fuckin ' clever .
Thats why I 'm on Slashdot instead of Digg , man .
I 'm so fucking intelligent and clever .
NOBODY though of that joke before I did .
Man , + 5 funny .
+ 5 funny .
A motherfuckin ' gem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Money Steals YOU!
AhahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHA man, I'm so fuckin' clever.
Thats why I'm on Slashdot instead of Digg, man.
I'm so fucking intelligent and clever.
NOBODY though of that joke before I did.
Man, +5 funny.
+5 funny.
A motherfuckin' gem.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30532014</id>
	<title>How do these attacks work?</title>
	<author>beachdog</author>
	<datestamp>1261495800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So what is the attack system used to get "tens of millions of dollars"?</p><p>Do they collect 10,000 user names and passwords from personal computer users?</p><p>Do they somehow take over a merchant deposit account and transfer funds out of it?</p><p>Do they emulate a bank-to-bank transaction and modify the bank-to-bank back end transaction?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So what is the attack system used to get " tens of millions of dollars " ? Do they collect 10,000 user names and passwords from personal computer users ? Do they somehow take over a merchant deposit account and transfer funds out of it ? Do they emulate a bank-to-bank transaction and modify the bank-to-bank back end transaction ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what is the attack system used to get "tens of millions of dollars"?Do they collect 10,000 user names and passwords from personal computer users?Do they somehow take over a merchant deposit account and transfer funds out of it?Do they emulate a bank-to-bank transaction and modify the bank-to-bank back end transaction?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30531620</id>
	<title>Wall Street Journal - lousy reporting at its best</title>
	<author>securaty</author>
	<datestamp>1261491360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I read WSJ article and I had to chuckle.  What a poor excuse for a story.

It doesn't sound like anyone targeted Citibank.  They are one of dozens of other banks who were victimized by a gang of Ukrainian (NOT Russian) criminals.

As far as I know, hundreds of small and medium business have been vandalized by the same gang on individuals targeting individual systems with malware.

Brian Krebs from Washington Post covered this months ago.  WSJ story is a bad knock off without facts and originality.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I read WSJ article and I had to chuckle .
What a poor excuse for a story .
It does n't sound like anyone targeted Citibank .
They are one of dozens of other banks who were victimized by a gang of Ukrainian ( NOT Russian ) criminals .
As far as I know , hundreds of small and medium business have been vandalized by the same gang on individuals targeting individual systems with malware .
Brian Krebs from Washington Post covered this months ago .
WSJ story is a bad knock off without facts and originality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read WSJ article and I had to chuckle.
What a poor excuse for a story.
It doesn't sound like anyone targeted Citibank.
They are one of dozens of other banks who were victimized by a gang of Ukrainian (NOT Russian) criminals.
As far as I know, hundreds of small and medium business have been vandalized by the same gang on individuals targeting individual systems with malware.
Brian Krebs from Washington Post covered this months ago.
WSJ story is a bad knock off without facts and originality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30530724</id>
	<title>Uhm,,hello? Mc Fly?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261484280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If as Citibank claims "no losses happened" then how come there was 'tens of millions of dollars' missing? What am I missing here?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If as Citibank claims " no losses happened " then how come there was 'tens of millions of dollars ' missing ?
What am I missing here ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If as Citibank claims "no losses happened" then how come there was 'tens of millions of dollars' missing?
What am I missing here?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30532430</id>
	<title>What a kewl way to embezzle!</title>
	<author>ibsteve2u</author>
	<datestamp>1261501320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Russians did it!  The Russians did it!</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Russians did it !
The Russians did it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Russians did it!
The Russians did it!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30532266</id>
	<title>Obligatory</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261499340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Not just another security collapse...</p><p>It's <em>Citibank</em> security collapse."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Not just another security collapse...It 's Citibank security collapse .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Not just another security collapse...It's Citibank security collapse.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30531076</id>
	<title>No audits, please!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261486560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Admitting to the theft would probably trigger in-depth audits and increased scrutiny of Citibank operations.  THAT might be very, very bad for Citibank.</p><p>Let's just handle it on a modified mark-to-market basis.   The money used to be here, and if it was still here we wouldn't have lost anything.</p><p>If you prefer QM, think of it as Shrodinger's cat - of course, he's still alive - no need to look in that box.</p><p>It ain't funny, McGee!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Admitting to the theft would probably trigger in-depth audits and increased scrutiny of Citibank operations .
THAT might be very , very bad for Citibank.Let 's just handle it on a modified mark-to-market basis .
The money used to be here , and if it was still here we would n't have lost anything.If you prefer QM , think of it as Shrodinger 's cat - of course , he 's still alive - no need to look in that box.It ai n't funny , McGee !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Admitting to the theft would probably trigger in-depth audits and increased scrutiny of Citibank operations.
THAT might be very, very bad for Citibank.Let's just handle it on a modified mark-to-market basis.
The money used to be here, and if it was still here we wouldn't have lost anything.If you prefer QM, think of it as Shrodinger's cat - of course, he's still alive - no need to look in that box.It ain't funny, McGee!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30531688</id>
	<title>Can the FBI/CIA actually do anything about it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261491960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's say it actually was a "Russian Gang" operating out of say, Russia.  What can US Gov't agencies do against this?  Can they do anything <i>within the law</i> besides call up Russia and tell them to 'take care of it.'  It's not like we can drop commandos into Russia and go after them, nor can we launch electronic attacks on this gang (act of futility).</p><p>According to the <a href="http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A1Sec8" title="usconstitution.net">US Constitution, Section 8</a> [usconstitution.net], Congress has the power to <i>provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States</i>.</p><p>I see this type of activity as an attack, just because it's two private entities, this IMHO is no different than if SAP tried to hack into Oracle.</p><p>Hey Fed, I'm sick of US companies wasting time, money and effort to deal with these people bent on conducting electronic warfare.</p><p>As a side note, I wonder how much $$ is wasted in terms of extra capacity (servers, network, CPU, power) is needed by US companies to deal with all this BS (spam, people hacking in etc..) floating around the internet.</p><p>I once heard a presentation by a guy at Yahoo who managed a few of their datacenters.  When asked about how they deal with DOS attacks his response was that they had more computing capacity then the internet could deliver to them, so they just absorb whatever attacks are sent their way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's say it actually was a " Russian Gang " operating out of say , Russia .
What can US Gov't agencies do against this ?
Can they do anything within the law besides call up Russia and tell them to 'take care of it .
' It 's not like we can drop commandos into Russia and go after them , nor can we launch electronic attacks on this gang ( act of futility ) .According to the US Constitution , Section 8 [ usconstitution.net ] , Congress has the power to provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States.I see this type of activity as an attack , just because it 's two private entities , this IMHO is no different than if SAP tried to hack into Oracle.Hey Fed , I 'm sick of US companies wasting time , money and effort to deal with these people bent on conducting electronic warfare.As a side note , I wonder how much $ $ is wasted in terms of extra capacity ( servers , network , CPU , power ) is needed by US companies to deal with all this BS ( spam , people hacking in etc.. ) floating around the internet.I once heard a presentation by a guy at Yahoo who managed a few of their datacenters .
When asked about how they deal with DOS attacks his response was that they had more computing capacity then the internet could deliver to them , so they just absorb whatever attacks are sent their way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's say it actually was a "Russian Gang" operating out of say, Russia.
What can US Gov't agencies do against this?
Can they do anything within the law besides call up Russia and tell them to 'take care of it.
'  It's not like we can drop commandos into Russia and go after them, nor can we launch electronic attacks on this gang (act of futility).According to the US Constitution, Section 8 [usconstitution.net], Congress has the power to provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States.I see this type of activity as an attack, just because it's two private entities, this IMHO is no different than if SAP tried to hack into Oracle.Hey Fed, I'm sick of US companies wasting time, money and effort to deal with these people bent on conducting electronic warfare.As a side note, I wonder how much $$ is wasted in terms of extra capacity (servers, network, CPU, power) is needed by US companies to deal with all this BS (spam, people hacking in etc..) floating around the internet.I once heard a presentation by a guy at Yahoo who managed a few of their datacenters.
When asked about how they deal with DOS attacks his response was that they had more computing capacity then the internet could deliver to them, so they just absorb whatever attacks are sent their way.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30531454</id>
	<title>Denial seems to be in this year</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261489560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Citibank representative said the company denied any system breach or losses, according to the report.</i>

</p><p>My web host provider *cough*inmotion*cough* got hacked a couple months ago and they denied it across the board, tried to turn it back on the users by claiming all the accesses were routine FTP connections.

</p><p>Makes me wonder if denial is the new trend?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Citibank representative said the company denied any system breach or losses , according to the report .
My web host provider * cough * inmotion * cough * got hacked a couple months ago and they denied it across the board , tried to turn it back on the users by claiming all the accesses were routine FTP connections .
Makes me wonder if denial is the new trend ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Citibank representative said the company denied any system breach or losses, according to the report.
My web host provider *cough*inmotion*cough* got hacked a couple months ago and they denied it across the board, tried to turn it back on the users by claiming all the accesses were routine FTP connections.
Makes me wonder if denial is the new trend?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30532182</id>
	<title>Re:Citibank != Russian Gang ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261497960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can bargain with a russian gang...</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can bargain with a russian gang.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can bargain with a russian gang...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30530646</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30532484</id>
	<title>Re:Paywalls suck (READ IT HERE FREE!)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261501800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Federal Bureau of Investigation is probing a computer-security breach targeting Citigroup Inc. that resulted in a theft of tens of millions of dollars by computer hackers who appear linked to a Russian cyber gang, according to government officials.</p><p>The attack took aim at Citigroup's Citibank subsidiary, which includes its North American retail bank and other businesses. It couldn't be learned whether the thieves gained access to Citibank's systems directly or through third parties.</p><p>The attack underscores the blurring of lines between criminal and national-security threats in cyber space. Hackers also assaulted two other entities, at least one of them a U.S. government agency, said people familiar with the attack on Citibank.</p><p>The Citibank attack was detected over the summer, but investigators are looking into the possibility the attack may have occurred months or even a year earlier. The FBI and the National Security Agency, along with the Department of Homeland Security and Citigroup, swapped information to counter the attack, according to a person familiar with the case. Press offices of the federal agencies declined to comment.</p><p>Joe Petro, managing director of Citigroup's Security and Investigative services, said, "We had no breach of the system and there were no losses, no customer losses, no bank losses." He added later: "Any allegation that the FBI is working a case at Citigroup involving tens of millions of losses is just not true."</p><p>Citigroup is currently 27\%-owned by the federal government.</p><p>The threat was initially detected by U.S. investigators who saw suspicious traffic coming from Internet addresses that had been used by the Russian Business Network, a Russian gang that has sold hacking tools and software for accessing U.S. government systems. The group went silent two years ago, but security experts say its alumni have re-emerged in smaller attack groups.</p><p>Security officials worry that, beyond stealing money, hackers could try to manipulate or destroy data, wreaking havoc on the banking system. When intruders get into one bank, officials say, they may be able to blaze a trail into others.</p><p>Last month, a federal indictment in Atlanta named eight alleged Russian and Eastern European hackers, most still at large, who prosecutors say broke into a U.S. unit of Royal Bank of Scotland in 2008 and stole $9 million from ATMs in 280 cities world-wide in a matter of hours. RBS cooperated with investigators and ensured that its customers were reimbursed.</p><p>Losses to online crime of all types exceeded $260 million in the U.S. last year, the FBI estimates. Attacks on corporations are "at an epidemic level," former White House cyber-security director Melissa Hathaway said recently.</p><p>U.S. banks have generally been loath to disclose computer attacks for fear of scaring off customers. In part this is an outgrowth of an experience Citibank had in 1994, when it revealed that a Russian hacker had stolen more than $10 million from customer accounts. Competitors swooped in to try to steal the bank's largest depositors. Citibank said at the time that it was able to recover most of the money and that the attack didn't put customer funds at risk.</p><p>The new attack targeting Citibank highlights the growing sophistication and threat posed by overseas criminal networks. "There were a couple of days of struggling," said one person familiar with the attack. "There were some sophisticated elements that made it hard to block."</p><p>Among weapons the hackers used, according to people familiar with the case, was a small army of infected computers commanded by software called Black Energy. Hackers use Black Energy primarily to block access to Web sites. Somebody used it during Russia's brief 2008 war with Georgia to shut down Georgian government and bank Web sites. Someone also used it in 2007 to block government and bank Web sites in Estonia and to attack the Web site of a political foe of Vladimir Putin, then Russia's president and now its prime minister.</p><p>Black Energy was w</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Federal Bureau of Investigation is probing a computer-security breach targeting Citigroup Inc. that resulted in a theft of tens of millions of dollars by computer hackers who appear linked to a Russian cyber gang , according to government officials.The attack took aim at Citigroup 's Citibank subsidiary , which includes its North American retail bank and other businesses .
It could n't be learned whether the thieves gained access to Citibank 's systems directly or through third parties.The attack underscores the blurring of lines between criminal and national-security threats in cyber space .
Hackers also assaulted two other entities , at least one of them a U.S. government agency , said people familiar with the attack on Citibank.The Citibank attack was detected over the summer , but investigators are looking into the possibility the attack may have occurred months or even a year earlier .
The FBI and the National Security Agency , along with the Department of Homeland Security and Citigroup , swapped information to counter the attack , according to a person familiar with the case .
Press offices of the federal agencies declined to comment.Joe Petro , managing director of Citigroup 's Security and Investigative services , said , " We had no breach of the system and there were no losses , no customer losses , no bank losses .
" He added later : " Any allegation that the FBI is working a case at Citigroup involving tens of millions of losses is just not true .
" Citigroup is currently 27 \ % -owned by the federal government.The threat was initially detected by U.S. investigators who saw suspicious traffic coming from Internet addresses that had been used by the Russian Business Network , a Russian gang that has sold hacking tools and software for accessing U.S. government systems .
The group went silent two years ago , but security experts say its alumni have re-emerged in smaller attack groups.Security officials worry that , beyond stealing money , hackers could try to manipulate or destroy data , wreaking havoc on the banking system .
When intruders get into one bank , officials say , they may be able to blaze a trail into others.Last month , a federal indictment in Atlanta named eight alleged Russian and Eastern European hackers , most still at large , who prosecutors say broke into a U.S. unit of Royal Bank of Scotland in 2008 and stole $ 9 million from ATMs in 280 cities world-wide in a matter of hours .
RBS cooperated with investigators and ensured that its customers were reimbursed.Losses to online crime of all types exceeded $ 260 million in the U.S. last year , the FBI estimates .
Attacks on corporations are " at an epidemic level , " former White House cyber-security director Melissa Hathaway said recently.U.S .
banks have generally been loath to disclose computer attacks for fear of scaring off customers .
In part this is an outgrowth of an experience Citibank had in 1994 , when it revealed that a Russian hacker had stolen more than $ 10 million from customer accounts .
Competitors swooped in to try to steal the bank 's largest depositors .
Citibank said at the time that it was able to recover most of the money and that the attack did n't put customer funds at risk.The new attack targeting Citibank highlights the growing sophistication and threat posed by overseas criminal networks .
" There were a couple of days of struggling , " said one person familiar with the attack .
" There were some sophisticated elements that made it hard to block .
" Among weapons the hackers used , according to people familiar with the case , was a small army of infected computers commanded by software called Black Energy .
Hackers use Black Energy primarily to block access to Web sites .
Somebody used it during Russia 's brief 2008 war with Georgia to shut down Georgian government and bank Web sites .
Someone also used it in 2007 to block government and bank Web sites in Estonia and to attack the Web site of a political foe of Vladimir Putin , then Russia 's president and now its prime minister.Black Energy was w</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Federal Bureau of Investigation is probing a computer-security breach targeting Citigroup Inc. that resulted in a theft of tens of millions of dollars by computer hackers who appear linked to a Russian cyber gang, according to government officials.The attack took aim at Citigroup's Citibank subsidiary, which includes its North American retail bank and other businesses.
It couldn't be learned whether the thieves gained access to Citibank's systems directly or through third parties.The attack underscores the blurring of lines between criminal and national-security threats in cyber space.
Hackers also assaulted two other entities, at least one of them a U.S. government agency, said people familiar with the attack on Citibank.The Citibank attack was detected over the summer, but investigators are looking into the possibility the attack may have occurred months or even a year earlier.
The FBI and the National Security Agency, along with the Department of Homeland Security and Citigroup, swapped information to counter the attack, according to a person familiar with the case.
Press offices of the federal agencies declined to comment.Joe Petro, managing director of Citigroup's Security and Investigative services, said, "We had no breach of the system and there were no losses, no customer losses, no bank losses.
" He added later: "Any allegation that the FBI is working a case at Citigroup involving tens of millions of losses is just not true.
"Citigroup is currently 27\%-owned by the federal government.The threat was initially detected by U.S. investigators who saw suspicious traffic coming from Internet addresses that had been used by the Russian Business Network, a Russian gang that has sold hacking tools and software for accessing U.S. government systems.
The group went silent two years ago, but security experts say its alumni have re-emerged in smaller attack groups.Security officials worry that, beyond stealing money, hackers could try to manipulate or destroy data, wreaking havoc on the banking system.
When intruders get into one bank, officials say, they may be able to blaze a trail into others.Last month, a federal indictment in Atlanta named eight alleged Russian and Eastern European hackers, most still at large, who prosecutors say broke into a U.S. unit of Royal Bank of Scotland in 2008 and stole $9 million from ATMs in 280 cities world-wide in a matter of hours.
RBS cooperated with investigators and ensured that its customers were reimbursed.Losses to online crime of all types exceeded $260 million in the U.S. last year, the FBI estimates.
Attacks on corporations are "at an epidemic level," former White House cyber-security director Melissa Hathaway said recently.U.S.
banks have generally been loath to disclose computer attacks for fear of scaring off customers.
In part this is an outgrowth of an experience Citibank had in 1994, when it revealed that a Russian hacker had stolen more than $10 million from customer accounts.
Competitors swooped in to try to steal the bank's largest depositors.
Citibank said at the time that it was able to recover most of the money and that the attack didn't put customer funds at risk.The new attack targeting Citibank highlights the growing sophistication and threat posed by overseas criminal networks.
"There were a couple of days of struggling," said one person familiar with the attack.
"There were some sophisticated elements that made it hard to block.
"Among weapons the hackers used, according to people familiar with the case, was a small army of infected computers commanded by software called Black Energy.
Hackers use Black Energy primarily to block access to Web sites.
Somebody used it during Russia's brief 2008 war with Georgia to shut down Georgian government and bank Web sites.
Someone also used it in 2007 to block government and bank Web sites in Estonia and to attack the Web site of a political foe of Vladimir Putin, then Russia's president and now its prime minister.Black Energy was w</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:WSJ article was misleading</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259763720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh really? Then why did Citibank issue me a replacement card with a completely new number in August?</p><p>* Posted Anonymously on purpose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh really ?
Then why did Citibank issue me a replacement card with a completely new number in August ?
* Posted Anonymously on purpose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh really?
Then why did Citibank issue me a replacement card with a completely new number in August?
* Posted Anonymously on purpose.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30532362</id>
	<title>How about somebody sueing them?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261500480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They are running Windows. It should be easy to argue that they are not staying up on cutting edge security because windows can not be locked down. Basically, companies like this MUST be held accountable if they are going to pay homage to their MS gods.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are running Windows .
It should be easy to argue that they are not staying up on cutting edge security because windows can not be locked down .
Basically , companies like this MUST be held accountable if they are going to pay homage to their MS gods .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are running Windows.
It should be easy to argue that they are not staying up on cutting edge security because windows can not be locked down.
Basically, companies like this MUST be held accountable if they are going to pay homage to their MS gods.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_22_2025243.30530970</id>
	<title>Re:WSJ article was misleading</title>
	<author>Alwin Henseler</author>
	<datestamp>1261485840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>2. Last year, Citi lost tens of millions of dollars from skimmers attached to ATMs.</p></div><p>2. Last year, Citi <em>customers</em> lost tens of millions of dollars from skimmers attached to ATMs.</p><p>(emphasis mine) <br>
Not individually, but as a group customers always pay the bill for incompetent management / inadequate security.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>2 .
Last year , Citi lost tens of millions of dollars from skimmers attached to ATMs.2 .
Last year , Citi customers lost tens of millions of dollars from skimmers attached to ATMs .
( emphasis mine ) Not individually , but as a group customers always pay the bill for incompetent management / inadequate security .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2.
Last year, Citi lost tens of millions of dollars from skimmers attached to ATMs.2.
Last year, Citi customers lost tens of millions of dollars from skimmers attached to ATMs.
(emphasis mine) 
Not individually, but as a group customers always pay the bill for incompetent management / inadequate security.
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