<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_21_225224</id>
	<title>Ford's New Cars To Be Wi-Fi Hotspots</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1261398480000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>clang\_jangle writes <i>"Autoblog and others are reporting on Ford's planned extension to its in-vehicle SYNC multimedia systems &mdash; to enable SYNC-equipped Fords as <a href="http://www.autoblog.com/2009/12/21/sync-ftw-ford-adding-mobile-internet-compatibility-to-usb-ports">rolling Wi-Fi hotspots</a>. Customers would use their existing cellular USB modems, so for already equipped road warriers there would be no extra monthly charges. While there are <a href="http://www.autonetmobile.com/service/">other ways to get your car online</a> (<a href="http://ptech.allthingsd.com/20081112/wi-fi-on-wheels-is-steady-but-has-a-speed-bump/">Autonet Mobile review</a> here), the SYNC system does look especially simple and practical. Last year <a href="http://www.autoblog.com/2008/10/24/bmw-wants-to-help-develop-open-source-in-vehicle-platform/">BMW made some noise</a> about FOSS for their cars, but they seem to have since stopped talking about it. Will we see a FOSS option for automotive infotainment systems in the future?"</i> The capabilities of SYNC even without W-Fi look <a href="http://www.fordvehicles.com/innovation/sync/availability/">potentially pretty distracting</a>. Unless Wi-Fi is blacked out for the driver, the safety implications of this development are worrisome.</htmltext>
<tokenext>clang \ _jangle writes " Autoblog and others are reporting on Ford 's planned extension to its in-vehicle SYNC multimedia systems    to enable SYNC-equipped Fords as rolling Wi-Fi hotspots .
Customers would use their existing cellular USB modems , so for already equipped road warriers there would be no extra monthly charges .
While there are other ways to get your car online ( Autonet Mobile review here ) , the SYNC system does look especially simple and practical .
Last year BMW made some noise about FOSS for their cars , but they seem to have since stopped talking about it .
Will we see a FOSS option for automotive infotainment systems in the future ?
" The capabilities of SYNC even without W-Fi look potentially pretty distracting .
Unless Wi-Fi is blacked out for the driver , the safety implications of this development are worrisome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>clang\_jangle writes "Autoblog and others are reporting on Ford's planned extension to its in-vehicle SYNC multimedia systems — to enable SYNC-equipped Fords as rolling Wi-Fi hotspots.
Customers would use their existing cellular USB modems, so for already equipped road warriers there would be no extra monthly charges.
While there are other ways to get your car online (Autonet Mobile review here), the SYNC system does look especially simple and practical.
Last year BMW made some noise about FOSS for their cars, but they seem to have since stopped talking about it.
Will we see a FOSS option for automotive infotainment systems in the future?
" The capabilities of SYNC even without W-Fi look potentially pretty distracting.
Unless Wi-Fi is blacked out for the driver, the safety implications of this development are worrisome.</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518740</id>
	<title>safe?</title>
	<author>whoever57</author>
	<datestamp>1261402500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>combined with <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Mobile-Office-WM-01-Laptop-Steering/dp/B000IZGIA8/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=automotive&amp;qid=1261441910&amp;sr=8-1" title="amazon.com"> this product</a> [amazon.com],
what's the problem?</htmltext>
<tokenext>combined with this product [ amazon.com ] , what 's the problem ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>combined with  this product [amazon.com],
what's the problem?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518720</id>
	<title>This is different how?</title>
	<author>hedwards</author>
	<datestamp>1261402380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>This isn't really that much different than what's available presently. The same idiots that text and drive will have a new possibility. Anybody with any degree of prudence will use this at most to update directions on their GPS in real time. Well, while driving, when you're not driving it's pretty much fair game for whatever you want to use it for.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't really that much different than what 's available presently .
The same idiots that text and drive will have a new possibility .
Anybody with any degree of prudence will use this at most to update directions on their GPS in real time .
Well , while driving , when you 're not driving it 's pretty much fair game for whatever you want to use it for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't really that much different than what's available presently.
The same idiots that text and drive will have a new possibility.
Anybody with any degree of prudence will use this at most to update directions on their GPS in real time.
Well, while driving, when you're not driving it's pretty much fair game for whatever you want to use it for.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518938</id>
	<title>Ok, how the hell do you manage that?</title>
	<author>Weaselmancer</author>
	<datestamp>1261404120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Unless Wi-Fi is blacked out for the driver, the safety implications of this development are worrisome.</i>

</p><p>Good grief.  Yes - by all means, let's put the driver in a freaking faraday cage so they don't surf porn while they drive.  That will make the world safe from the abomination that is mobile internet.

</p><p>The only worrisome thing on the road to me is the judgment of the people around me.  The idiots who can't read the "keep left" signs on the on ramp.  Those people.  Deal with them first - then you won't need the faraday cage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless Wi-Fi is blacked out for the driver , the safety implications of this development are worrisome .
Good grief .
Yes - by all means , let 's put the driver in a freaking faraday cage so they do n't surf porn while they drive .
That will make the world safe from the abomination that is mobile internet .
The only worrisome thing on the road to me is the judgment of the people around me .
The idiots who ca n't read the " keep left " signs on the on ramp .
Those people .
Deal with them first - then you wo n't need the faraday cage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Unless Wi-Fi is blacked out for the driver, the safety implications of this development are worrisome.
Good grief.
Yes - by all means, let's put the driver in a freaking faraday cage so they don't surf porn while they drive.
That will make the world safe from the abomination that is mobile internet.
The only worrisome thing on the road to me is the judgment of the people around me.
The idiots who can't read the "keep left" signs on the on ramp.
Those people.
Deal with them first - then you won't need the faraday cage.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30520188</id>
	<title>Re:Worthless gimmicks for worthless cars</title>
	<author>Lehk228</author>
	<datestamp>1261414080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've got a ford and it runs just fine with 90k miles on it, the only repairs i have put into it were the result of an unfortunate mailbox incident and normal wear items like plugs, wires and tires.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got a ford and it runs just fine with 90k miles on it , the only repairs i have put into it were the result of an unfortunate mailbox incident and normal wear items like plugs , wires and tires .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got a ford and it runs just fine with 90k miles on it, the only repairs i have put into it were the result of an unfortunate mailbox incident and normal wear items like plugs, wires and tires.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518882</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518838</id>
	<title>Re:safe?</title>
	<author>gearloos</author>
	<datestamp>1261403340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hehe now thats some funny ass stuff right there.
Bad thing is I can see some bonehead using that steering wheel desk!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hehe now thats some funny ass stuff right there .
Bad thing is I can see some bonehead using that steering wheel desk !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hehe now thats some funny ass stuff right there.
Bad thing is I can see some bonehead using that steering wheel desk!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518740</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518996</id>
	<title>I want it to my car's stereo!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261404660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not for driving, but when my car is parked in my garage, the only currently way I have to copy MP3s to it is to stick them on a USB stick and walk them down there.</p><p>Why isn't my car stereo having 802.11 and letting me scp files over to it from my home network?  I could then select whatever mp3s I wanted to listen to that week from my computer, or heck, even set up a cron job to rotate through my collection each night.</p><p>Maybe there are some head units which support this, but mine doesn't (it's about 1 year old, Pioneer model).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not for driving , but when my car is parked in my garage , the only currently way I have to copy MP3s to it is to stick them on a USB stick and walk them down there.Why is n't my car stereo having 802.11 and letting me scp files over to it from my home network ?
I could then select whatever mp3s I wanted to listen to that week from my computer , or heck , even set up a cron job to rotate through my collection each night.Maybe there are some head units which support this , but mine does n't ( it 's about 1 year old , Pioneer model ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not for driving, but when my car is parked in my garage, the only currently way I have to copy MP3s to it is to stick them on a USB stick and walk them down there.Why isn't my car stereo having 802.11 and letting me scp files over to it from my home network?
I could then select whatever mp3s I wanted to listen to that week from my computer, or heck, even set up a cron job to rotate through my collection each night.Maybe there are some head units which support this, but mine doesn't (it's about 1 year old, Pioneer model).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518782</id>
	<title>Linked with WiMax?</title>
	<author>myfreelunch</author>
	<datestamp>1261402800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Linked with WiMax, this might be useful.  3G speeds are just too slow.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Linked with WiMax , this might be useful .
3G speeds are just too slow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linked with WiMax, this might be useful.
3G speeds are just too slow.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518928</id>
	<title>Re:This is different how?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261404060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Text and drive, talk and drive, Play WoW and drive, whatever.  I'm trying to figure out how to get my horn to blare, "HANG THE FUCK UP AND DRIVE!" since I only seem to use it in conjunction with one of the aforementioned anymore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Text and drive , talk and drive , Play WoW and drive , whatever .
I 'm trying to figure out how to get my horn to blare , " HANG THE FUCK UP AND DRIVE !
" since I only seem to use it in conjunction with one of the aforementioned anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Text and drive, talk and drive, Play WoW and drive, whatever.
I'm trying to figure out how to get my horn to blare, "HANG THE FUCK UP AND DRIVE!
" since I only seem to use it in conjunction with one of the aforementioned anymore.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518720</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30521200</id>
	<title>Re:Radio condenser</title>
	<author>Ceriel Nosforit</author>
	<datestamp>1261512420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The sparks from the plugs are inside the Faraday cage of the combustion chamber. If the leads to the plugs are shielded (I haven't gotten around to dissecting a set yet.), there should be no radiation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The sparks from the plugs are inside the Faraday cage of the combustion chamber .
If the leads to the plugs are shielded ( I have n't gotten around to dissecting a set yet .
) , there should be no radiation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The sparks from the plugs are inside the Faraday cage of the combustion chamber.
If the leads to the plugs are shielded (I haven't gotten around to dissecting a set yet.
), there should be no radiation.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518918</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30522000</id>
	<title>Re:god damn self driving cars</title>
	<author>jacksonj04</author>
	<datestamp>1261480140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's why. Imagine your car, full to the brim of GPS, rangefingers and inter-car communication - it's completely ready to drive in harmony with other road users and speed you to your destination.</p><p>Then, it tries to switch lanes whilst doing 70mph down the motorway and gets walloped by the lorry coming up on the outside because a) the rearward facing rangefinders can't see into the other lane and b) the lorry driver hasn't bothered to fit &pound;3,000 worth of gear so that his cab can tell your car what it's doing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's why .
Imagine your car , full to the brim of GPS , rangefingers and inter-car communication - it 's completely ready to drive in harmony with other road users and speed you to your destination.Then , it tries to switch lanes whilst doing 70mph down the motorway and gets walloped by the lorry coming up on the outside because a ) the rearward facing rangefinders ca n't see into the other lane and b ) the lorry driver has n't bothered to fit   3,000 worth of gear so that his cab can tell your car what it 's doing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's why.
Imagine your car, full to the brim of GPS, rangefingers and inter-car communication - it's completely ready to drive in harmony with other road users and speed you to your destination.Then, it tries to switch lanes whilst doing 70mph down the motorway and gets walloped by the lorry coming up on the outside because a) the rearward facing rangefinders can't see into the other lane and b) the lorry driver hasn't bothered to fit £3,000 worth of gear so that his cab can tell your car what it's doing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518822</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30519018</id>
	<title>Use your imagination</title>
	<author>cryfreedomlove</author>
	<datestamp>1261404840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; Unless Wi-Fi is blacked out for the driver, the safety implications of this development are worrisome.<br> <br>I'm not the least bit worried.  Just think of the apps you can create for the driver if a car were wi-fi connected.  Heads up displays for upcoming traffic problems, weather, etc.  Constantly upgrade your car's navigation system with updates and patches that download while the car is parked.  etc, etc.  <br> <br>Your fear is based on what you know now.  You should instead base your hopes on those good things you can imagine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Unless Wi-Fi is blacked out for the driver , the safety implications of this development are worrisome .
I 'm not the least bit worried .
Just think of the apps you can create for the driver if a car were wi-fi connected .
Heads up displays for upcoming traffic problems , weather , etc .
Constantly upgrade your car 's navigation system with updates and patches that download while the car is parked .
etc , etc .
Your fear is based on what you know now .
You should instead base your hopes on those good things you can imagine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Unless Wi-Fi is blacked out for the driver, the safety implications of this development are worrisome.
I'm not the least bit worried.
Just think of the apps you can create for the driver if a car were wi-fi connected.
Heads up displays for upcoming traffic problems, weather, etc.
Constantly upgrade your car's navigation system with updates and patches that download while the car is parked.
etc, etc.
Your fear is based on what you know now.
You should instead base your hopes on those good things you can imagine.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30520128</id>
	<title>Re:Radio condenser</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261413660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Power to the car radio, etc *should* come from the alternator while the car is running, so it will actually be an extremely clean power supply.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Power to the car radio , etc * should * come from the alternator while the car is running , so it will actually be an extremely clean power supply .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Power to the car radio, etc *should* come from the alternator while the car is running, so it will actually be an extremely clean power supply.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518918</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30527106</id>
	<title>Re:Leo's new Mustang</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1261512720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just got a image in my head of Leo Laporte happily tooling around town in a Mustang, wearing one of those hideous Hawaiian shirts he used to wear on The Screen Savers. Now that's a funny image.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just got a image in my head of Leo Laporte happily tooling around town in a Mustang , wearing one of those hideous Hawaiian shirts he used to wear on The Screen Savers .
Now that 's a funny image .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just got a image in my head of Leo Laporte happily tooling around town in a Mustang, wearing one of those hideous Hawaiian shirts he used to wear on The Screen Savers.
Now that's a funny image.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518818</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518822</id>
	<title>god damn self driving cars</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261403220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The god damn mother fucking cars should talk to each other with their fucking radios and space the fuck out .  What the fuck is so fucking hard about this and or not typing profFUCK anyway then you don't need stop lights.  the driver can just sit back.  the fucking gps/laser range/wireless car comm drives thef ucking car fuck</htmltext>
<tokenext>The god damn mother fucking cars should talk to each other with their fucking radios and space the fuck out .
What the fuck is so fucking hard about this and or not typing profFUCK anyway then you do n't need stop lights .
the driver can just sit back .
the fucking gps/laser range/wireless car comm drives thef ucking car fuck</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The god damn mother fucking cars should talk to each other with their fucking radios and space the fuck out .
What the fuck is so fucking hard about this and or not typing profFUCK anyway then you don't need stop lights.
the driver can just sit back.
the fucking gps/laser range/wireless car comm drives thef ucking car fuck</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30519240</id>
	<title>Re:Understanding Wi-Fi fail</title>
	<author>causality</author>
	<datestamp>1261406580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How the heck would you black out wi-fi for the driver? Cone of silence, engage! Besides, when I use my laptop while driving, I sit it on the passenger seat anyway.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P Also, the same people who would be guilty of "distracted driving" with wi-fi are the ones who do it with their phone. Take away their phone, they'll read a book (I've seen this). Take away the book, they'll get so engrossed in talking with their passenger, they don't pay attention. The best method of protecting other drivers is to get people to pay more attention to driving than anything else, not take away everything else. There'll always be some distraction you can't take away.</p></div><p>Proposed solution:  don't try to stop them.  Just pass a law stating that if you cause an accident (i.e. it is your fault) and there is evidence that willful/preventable driver distraction was a factor, you lose your license for ten years with no exceptions and no possibility to obtain it sooner than those ten years, no matter how minor or major that accident was.  Now if we can also get something like this for tailgaters who rear-end the guy in front of them (easily the most preventable and most stupid accident you could ever have), we'd have a good thing going.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How the heck would you black out wi-fi for the driver ?
Cone of silence , engage !
Besides , when I use my laptop while driving , I sit it on the passenger seat anyway .
: P Also , the same people who would be guilty of " distracted driving " with wi-fi are the ones who do it with their phone .
Take away their phone , they 'll read a book ( I 've seen this ) .
Take away the book , they 'll get so engrossed in talking with their passenger , they do n't pay attention .
The best method of protecting other drivers is to get people to pay more attention to driving than anything else , not take away everything else .
There 'll always be some distraction you ca n't take away.Proposed solution : do n't try to stop them .
Just pass a law stating that if you cause an accident ( i.e .
it is your fault ) and there is evidence that willful/preventable driver distraction was a factor , you lose your license for ten years with no exceptions and no possibility to obtain it sooner than those ten years , no matter how minor or major that accident was .
Now if we can also get something like this for tailgaters who rear-end the guy in front of them ( easily the most preventable and most stupid accident you could ever have ) , we 'd have a good thing going .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How the heck would you black out wi-fi for the driver?
Cone of silence, engage!
Besides, when I use my laptop while driving, I sit it on the passenger seat anyway.
:P Also, the same people who would be guilty of "distracted driving" with wi-fi are the ones who do it with their phone.
Take away their phone, they'll read a book (I've seen this).
Take away the book, they'll get so engrossed in talking with their passenger, they don't pay attention.
The best method of protecting other drivers is to get people to pay more attention to driving than anything else, not take away everything else.
There'll always be some distraction you can't take away.Proposed solution:  don't try to stop them.
Just pass a law stating that if you cause an accident (i.e.
it is your fault) and there is evidence that willful/preventable driver distraction was a factor, you lose your license for ten years with no exceptions and no possibility to obtain it sooner than those ten years, no matter how minor or major that accident was.
Now if we can also get something like this for tailgaters who rear-end the guy in front of them (easily the most preventable and most stupid accident you could ever have), we'd have a good thing going.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518924</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518980</id>
	<title>Typo in headline:</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1261404540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Correct headline: &ldquo;Ford's New Cars To Be Wi-Fi Hackspots &rdquo;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Correct headline :    Ford 's New Cars To Be Wi-Fi Hackspots   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Correct headline: “Ford's New Cars To Be Wi-Fi Hackspots ”</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30519606</id>
	<title>Re:Use your imagination</title>
	<author>vanyel</author>
	<datestamp>1261409100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Come back from a quick trip to pick something up:</p><p>Driver to car: start<br>car to driver: Please wait, download 1\% finished estimated time 20 minutes...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Come back from a quick trip to pick something up : Driver to car : startcar to driver : Please wait , download 1 \ % finished estimated time 20 minutes.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come back from a quick trip to pick something up:Driver to car: startcar to driver: Please wait, download 1\% finished estimated time 20 minutes...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30519018</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30521100</id>
	<title>Re:Worthless gimmicks for worthless cars</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1261424820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Seriously, what good is this to anyone? if you're in the car you would just use your SIM-locked USB modem that you pay 59.99 a month for and if you are outside the car then you would hardly stay connected long enough to send an email before the car you are stealing bandwidth from goes out of range.</p></div></blockquote><p>Because everyone else in the car can also use your SIM locked USB dongle via wifi?  Because instead of one laptop using the dongle at a time, everything in the car can?  And you're not going to have an unsecured hotspot in your car accessing your cell phone data plan, so no one is leeching off you.</p><blockquote><div><p>I never quite understood this idea behind putting the latest technological gimmick into a car. 802.11g will be obsolete in a few years, 802.11n soon after. The car should last 20 years so that means half way through its expected service life the wifi, the USB connection and the built-in GPS will be almost completely worthless.</p></div></blockquote><p>Simply put, no, it won't.  Wifi will still be used, as will USB, hell I've been using Firewire for at least 15 years and its far less popular than USB or wifi.</p><blockquote><div><p>If i want my car to have a Wifi AP I will throw my own wifi equipment in the back. same with phones, GPS, all that stuff. Give me a bare minimum car such as the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrightspeed\_X1" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrightspeed\_X1</a> [wikipedia.org] [wikipedia.org]Wrightspeed X1 but with the most efficient power system, the best batteries available and the highest quality components that won't break. Not putting worthless consumer electronic gimmicks onto a chassis that is supposed to last 20 years.</p></div></blockquote><p>Go ahead<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... do it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... tell us how nicely integrated into the car you can get it, and tell us about all your issues with power controllers, inverters for power, wiring it all up without making a mess.  Then tell me how long it lasts.  Go ahead, get whatever you want for car computer hardware and put it in your dash<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...  Give it 2 years then tell us about how its working for you.  Made it 2?  Okay, give it 5.</p><p>The car computer environment is far different than you think it is.  The software sucks ass, feels like a kludge across the board because well, it is.  The hardware is over priced and unreliable when you stuff it in a car that ranges between well below freezing in the winter to 150 degrees in the summer in a unshaded parking lot or under your dash taking heat off the firewall (The real one in your car, not software for networking).</p><p>You aren't going to go buy anything that has the same level of ruggedness as the hardware they install at the factory, nor are you going to find anything that feels nearly as natural or looks nearly as good.  I've been futzing with mine for the last 3 years as indash GPS wasn't an option for my car from the factory.  Yes I can do wifi over cell, voice guided GPS, voice activated control of the PC, watch movies on the indash display, all sorts of shit you couldn't possibly imagine.  You know what, I'd still rather have a factory system rather than the hacks I've put together based on someone elses shitty hacks.</p><p>Nor are you going to have your car for 20 years.  If you're following all the latest and greatest geek tech, theres a good chance you aren't still driving a 20 year old car, with the exception of maybe a classic, in which case this doesn't apply to you anyway, you're already accepting that you're going out of normal bounds.  Likewise, if you are driving a 20 year old car, theres a good chance your computer hardware isn't bleeding edge either.</p><p>Your post wreaks of someone who has no idea what he/she is talking about, or has even looked into at all.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Seriously , what good is this to anyone ?
if you 're in the car you would just use your SIM-locked USB modem that you pay 59.99 a month for and if you are outside the car then you would hardly stay connected long enough to send an email before the car you are stealing bandwidth from goes out of range.Because everyone else in the car can also use your SIM locked USB dongle via wifi ?
Because instead of one laptop using the dongle at a time , everything in the car can ?
And you 're not going to have an unsecured hotspot in your car accessing your cell phone data plan , so no one is leeching off you.I never quite understood this idea behind putting the latest technological gimmick into a car .
802.11g will be obsolete in a few years , 802.11n soon after .
The car should last 20 years so that means half way through its expected service life the wifi , the USB connection and the built-in GPS will be almost completely worthless.Simply put , no , it wo n't .
Wifi will still be used , as will USB , hell I 've been using Firewire for at least 15 years and its far less popular than USB or wifi.If i want my car to have a Wifi AP I will throw my own wifi equipment in the back .
same with phones , GPS , all that stuff .
Give me a bare minimum car such as the http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrightspeed \ _X1 [ wikipedia.org ] [ wikipedia.org ] Wrightspeed X1 but with the most efficient power system , the best batteries available and the highest quality components that wo n't break .
Not putting worthless consumer electronic gimmicks onto a chassis that is supposed to last 20 years.Go ahead ... do it ... tell us how nicely integrated into the car you can get it , and tell us about all your issues with power controllers , inverters for power , wiring it all up without making a mess .
Then tell me how long it lasts .
Go ahead , get whatever you want for car computer hardware and put it in your dash ... Give it 2 years then tell us about how its working for you .
Made it 2 ?
Okay , give it 5.The car computer environment is far different than you think it is .
The software sucks ass , feels like a kludge across the board because well , it is .
The hardware is over priced and unreliable when you stuff it in a car that ranges between well below freezing in the winter to 150 degrees in the summer in a unshaded parking lot or under your dash taking heat off the firewall ( The real one in your car , not software for networking ) .You are n't going to go buy anything that has the same level of ruggedness as the hardware they install at the factory , nor are you going to find anything that feels nearly as natural or looks nearly as good .
I 've been futzing with mine for the last 3 years as indash GPS was n't an option for my car from the factory .
Yes I can do wifi over cell , voice guided GPS , voice activated control of the PC , watch movies on the indash display , all sorts of shit you could n't possibly imagine .
You know what , I 'd still rather have a factory system rather than the hacks I 've put together based on someone elses shitty hacks.Nor are you going to have your car for 20 years .
If you 're following all the latest and greatest geek tech , theres a good chance you are n't still driving a 20 year old car , with the exception of maybe a classic , in which case this does n't apply to you anyway , you 're already accepting that you 're going out of normal bounds .
Likewise , if you are driving a 20 year old car , theres a good chance your computer hardware is n't bleeding edge either.Your post wreaks of someone who has no idea what he/she is talking about , or has even looked into at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, what good is this to anyone?
if you're in the car you would just use your SIM-locked USB modem that you pay 59.99 a month for and if you are outside the car then you would hardly stay connected long enough to send an email before the car you are stealing bandwidth from goes out of range.Because everyone else in the car can also use your SIM locked USB dongle via wifi?
Because instead of one laptop using the dongle at a time, everything in the car can?
And you're not going to have an unsecured hotspot in your car accessing your cell phone data plan, so no one is leeching off you.I never quite understood this idea behind putting the latest technological gimmick into a car.
802.11g will be obsolete in a few years, 802.11n soon after.
The car should last 20 years so that means half way through its expected service life the wifi, the USB connection and the built-in GPS will be almost completely worthless.Simply put, no, it won't.
Wifi will still be used, as will USB, hell I've been using Firewire for at least 15 years and its far less popular than USB or wifi.If i want my car to have a Wifi AP I will throw my own wifi equipment in the back.
same with phones, GPS, all that stuff.
Give me a bare minimum car such as the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrightspeed\_X1 [wikipedia.org] [wikipedia.org]Wrightspeed X1 but with the most efficient power system, the best batteries available and the highest quality components that won't break.
Not putting worthless consumer electronic gimmicks onto a chassis that is supposed to last 20 years.Go ahead ... do it ... tell us how nicely integrated into the car you can get it, and tell us about all your issues with power controllers, inverters for power, wiring it all up without making a mess.
Then tell me how long it lasts.
Go ahead, get whatever you want for car computer hardware and put it in your dash ...  Give it 2 years then tell us about how its working for you.
Made it 2?
Okay, give it 5.The car computer environment is far different than you think it is.
The software sucks ass, feels like a kludge across the board because well, it is.
The hardware is over priced and unreliable when you stuff it in a car that ranges between well below freezing in the winter to 150 degrees in the summer in a unshaded parking lot or under your dash taking heat off the firewall (The real one in your car, not software for networking).You aren't going to go buy anything that has the same level of ruggedness as the hardware they install at the factory, nor are you going to find anything that feels nearly as natural or looks nearly as good.
I've been futzing with mine for the last 3 years as indash GPS wasn't an option for my car from the factory.
Yes I can do wifi over cell, voice guided GPS, voice activated control of the PC, watch movies on the indash display, all sorts of shit you couldn't possibly imagine.
You know what, I'd still rather have a factory system rather than the hacks I've put together based on someone elses shitty hacks.Nor are you going to have your car for 20 years.
If you're following all the latest and greatest geek tech, theres a good chance you aren't still driving a 20 year old car, with the exception of maybe a classic, in which case this doesn't apply to you anyway, you're already accepting that you're going out of normal bounds.
Likewise, if you are driving a 20 year old car, theres a good chance your computer hardware isn't bleeding edge either.Your post wreaks of someone who has no idea what he/she is talking about, or has even looked into at all.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30522714</id>
	<title>Re:This is different how?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261490400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>p0rn while driving!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>p0rn while driving !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>p0rn while driving!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518720</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30520590</id>
	<title>Re:Understanding Wi-Fi fail</title>
	<author>modmans2ndcoming</author>
	<datestamp>1261418400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>because over the top penalties are deterrences to behavior of those disposed to behaving in such manors... oh... wait... they're not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>because over the top penalties are deterrences to behavior of those disposed to behaving in such manors... oh... wait... they 're not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>because over the top penalties are deterrences to behavior of those disposed to behaving in such manors... oh... wait... they're not.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30519240</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30519236</id>
	<title>Re:BMW's trials . . .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261406520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nice try but that car is a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skoda\_Octavia" title="wikipedia.org">Skoda Octavia</a> [wikipedia.org] which is made by Skoda Auto not BMW.  At the time of the crash, the car was going at nearly 90 mph which was about 3x the speed limit of the area.  The driver was in the wrong lane and was intoxicated.  The cause of the crash was entirely the fault of the driver not the car its self.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice try but that car is a Skoda Octavia [ wikipedia.org ] which is made by Skoda Auto not BMW .
At the time of the crash , the car was going at nearly 90 mph which was about 3x the speed limit of the area .
The driver was in the wrong lane and was intoxicated .
The cause of the crash was entirely the fault of the driver not the car its self .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice try but that car is a Skoda Octavia [wikipedia.org] which is made by Skoda Auto not BMW.
At the time of the crash, the car was going at nearly 90 mph which was about 3x the speed limit of the area.
The driver was in the wrong lane and was intoxicated.
The cause of the crash was entirely the fault of the driver not the car its self.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518868</id>
	<title>BMW's trials . . .</title>
	<author>PolygamousRanchKid </author>
	<datestamp>1261403580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Last year BMW made some noise about FOSS for their cars, but they seem to have since stopped talking about it.</p></div><p>I can't imagine why: <a href="http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-41146.html" title="spiegel.de">http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-41146.html</a> [spiegel.de]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Last year BMW made some noise about FOSS for their cars , but they seem to have since stopped talking about it.I ca n't imagine why : http : //www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-41146.html [ spiegel.de ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last year BMW made some noise about FOSS for their cars, but they seem to have since stopped talking about it.I can't imagine why: http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-41146.html [spiegel.de]
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30524340</id>
	<title>Re:Understanding Wi-Fi fail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261500900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Shush.  Wi-Fi enabled cars bring us one necessary step closer to self-driving cars, so that distracted idiots can just go ahead and be distracted with fewer ill effects.  And, oh yes, so that I can use my hour-long daily commute for some more constructive task than keeping the car's nose pointed forward.  To hell with flying cars; I'm disappointed that we're leaving the new century's Aughts without significant progress on the self-steering car front.</p><p>GPS alone does not enable headless driving; some two-way communication is going to be essential.  I can see no handier time to lay some infrastructure than when we're already warming up to a pretty big revolution in automotive power technology.  Two-way comm plus a modicum of sensor technology means that every enhanced car becomes a survey point for road conditions and traffic.  Once such technologies reach a certain critical mass, self-guidance becomes much more trivial.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Shush .
Wi-Fi enabled cars bring us one necessary step closer to self-driving cars , so that distracted idiots can just go ahead and be distracted with fewer ill effects .
And , oh yes , so that I can use my hour-long daily commute for some more constructive task than keeping the car 's nose pointed forward .
To hell with flying cars ; I 'm disappointed that we 're leaving the new century 's Aughts without significant progress on the self-steering car front.GPS alone does not enable headless driving ; some two-way communication is going to be essential .
I can see no handier time to lay some infrastructure than when we 're already warming up to a pretty big revolution in automotive power technology .
Two-way comm plus a modicum of sensor technology means that every enhanced car becomes a survey point for road conditions and traffic .
Once such technologies reach a certain critical mass , self-guidance becomes much more trivial .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shush.
Wi-Fi enabled cars bring us one necessary step closer to self-driving cars, so that distracted idiots can just go ahead and be distracted with fewer ill effects.
And, oh yes, so that I can use my hour-long daily commute for some more constructive task than keeping the car's nose pointed forward.
To hell with flying cars; I'm disappointed that we're leaving the new century's Aughts without significant progress on the self-steering car front.GPS alone does not enable headless driving; some two-way communication is going to be essential.
I can see no handier time to lay some infrastructure than when we're already warming up to a pretty big revolution in automotive power technology.
Two-way comm plus a modicum of sensor technology means that every enhanced car becomes a survey point for road conditions and traffic.
Once such technologies reach a certain critical mass, self-guidance becomes much more trivial.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518890</id>
	<title>Re:safe?</title>
	<author>QuoteMstr</author>
	<datestamp>1261403700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That product is easy to mock, but detractors don't seem to realize that it's perfectly reasonable to <i>stop the car</i> and pull out a laptop. You might want a good place to put it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That product is easy to mock , but detractors do n't seem to realize that it 's perfectly reasonable to stop the car and pull out a laptop .
You might want a good place to put it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That product is easy to mock, but detractors don't seem to realize that it's perfectly reasonable to stop the car and pull out a laptop.
You might want a good place to put it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30519074</id>
	<title>Shoutcast in my car, can it be done cheapish?</title>
	<author>Tynin</author>
	<datestamp>1261405320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Having a wifi in my car sounds interesting. But I cannot imagine you'd keep a good connection while driving around. Is anyone aware of a solution of getting a shoutcast stream to play in a car that doesn't cost an arm and a leg? Their is simply no industrial / ebm / futurepop music on the air in the US, not even satellite radio carries any (last I checked, please tell me if anyone knows if that has changed), I just want to be able to listen to <a href="http://www.digitalgunfire.com/" title="digitalgunfire.com">Digital Gunfire</a> [digitalgunfire.com] in my car. I keep asking Santa to bring me this tech, but each year its just more coal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Having a wifi in my car sounds interesting .
But I can not imagine you 'd keep a good connection while driving around .
Is anyone aware of a solution of getting a shoutcast stream to play in a car that does n't cost an arm and a leg ?
Their is simply no industrial / ebm / futurepop music on the air in the US , not even satellite radio carries any ( last I checked , please tell me if anyone knows if that has changed ) , I just want to be able to listen to Digital Gunfire [ digitalgunfire.com ] in my car .
I keep asking Santa to bring me this tech , but each year its just more coal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having a wifi in my car sounds interesting.
But I cannot imagine you'd keep a good connection while driving around.
Is anyone aware of a solution of getting a shoutcast stream to play in a car that doesn't cost an arm and a leg?
Their is simply no industrial / ebm / futurepop music on the air in the US, not even satellite radio carries any (last I checked, please tell me if anyone knows if that has changed), I just want to be able to listen to Digital Gunfire [digitalgunfire.com] in my car.
I keep asking Santa to bring me this tech, but each year its just more coal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30519104</id>
	<title>Re:Worthless gimmicks for worthless cars</title>
	<author>lena\_10326</author>
	<datestamp>1261405500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ever heard of after market upgrades? Custom kits? Replacement electronics? It's an industry in the billions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ever heard of after market upgrades ?
Custom kits ?
Replacement electronics ?
It 's an industry in the billions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ever heard of after market upgrades?
Custom kits?
Replacement electronics?
It's an industry in the billions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518924</id>
	<title>Understanding Wi-Fi fail</title>
	<author>anglophobe\_0</author>
	<datestamp>1261404000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>How the heck would you black out wi-fi for the driver? Cone of silence, engage! Besides, when I use my laptop while driving, I sit it on the passenger seat anyway.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P Also, the same people who would be guilty of "distracted driving" with wi-fi are the ones who do it with their phone. Take away their phone, they'll read a book (I've seen this). Take away the book, they'll get so engrossed in talking with their passenger, they don't pay attention. The best method of protecting other drivers is to get people to pay more attention to driving than anything else, not take away everything else. There'll always be some distraction you can't take away.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How the heck would you black out wi-fi for the driver ?
Cone of silence , engage !
Besides , when I use my laptop while driving , I sit it on the passenger seat anyway .
: P Also , the same people who would be guilty of " distracted driving " with wi-fi are the ones who do it with their phone .
Take away their phone , they 'll read a book ( I 've seen this ) .
Take away the book , they 'll get so engrossed in talking with their passenger , they do n't pay attention .
The best method of protecting other drivers is to get people to pay more attention to driving than anything else , not take away everything else .
There 'll always be some distraction you ca n't take away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How the heck would you black out wi-fi for the driver?
Cone of silence, engage!
Besides, when I use my laptop while driving, I sit it on the passenger seat anyway.
:P Also, the same people who would be guilty of "distracted driving" with wi-fi are the ones who do it with their phone.
Take away their phone, they'll read a book (I've seen this).
Take away the book, they'll get so engrossed in talking with their passenger, they don't pay attention.
The best method of protecting other drivers is to get people to pay more attention to driving than anything else, not take away everything else.
There'll always be some distraction you can't take away.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30519258</id>
	<title>Re:Linked with WiMax?</title>
	<author>WoLpH</author>
	<datestamp>1261406700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>3G too slow? I get over 500KiB/s when downloading something in the train here. When it comes down to basic surfing, anything beyond 2Mbps is good enough for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>3G too slow ?
I get over 500KiB/s when downloading something in the train here .
When it comes down to basic surfing , anything beyond 2Mbps is good enough for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>3G too slow?
I get over 500KiB/s when downloading something in the train here.
When it comes down to basic surfing, anything beyond 2Mbps is good enough for me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30519852</id>
	<title>Re:god damn self driving cars</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1261411200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think he'd be better off at a TA meeting (Tourette's Anonymous).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think he 'd be better off at a TA meeting ( Tourette 's Anonymous ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think he'd be better off at a TA meeting (Tourette's Anonymous).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30521266</id>
	<title>Re:Radio condenser</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1261513560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem with your radio is that your alternator works at frequency ranges that are audible.  Hence they put electrical 'chokes' on the power lines feeding the radio in order to filter out the noise to the point that you can't hear it.  Its still there, just the alternator noise has been suppressed to the point that you can't hear it.</p><p>Wifi operates in the microwave region and above.  There isn't anything in your car that naturally operates at this frequency, so all you have to worry about would be sideband generation from other equipment.  Since anything capable of generating these side bands SHOULD be required to carry proper shielding its probably a non-issue.</p><p>Your home wifi screwing up because of your microwave is likely.  Your furnace or TV is extremely unlikely.  The furnace doesn't have anything in it generally that will produce frequencies in the range that wifi uses, its not your problem unless you have a microprocessor controlled thermostat or controlling system that is somehow generating extremely powerful (relatively) side band interference 1000 times its base frequency, which is EXTREMELY unlikely.</p><p>Do you or your neighbors have a cordless phone in the 2.4 ghz range?  Those are a problem, their quality is typically sub par and they are sharing the same band as wifi.  You're neighbors wifi or microwave could also be a problem.  How far away is your WAP from the device having connection issues?  To close can be a problem, my laptops for instance will not communicate AT ALL with the WAP if they are within 5 feet of the device.  They'll see it, they'll 'connect' but no data will flow.  One of the two is borking up when it gets a signal thats too high.  You also have to pay attention to the orientation of your antennas on your wifi device.  Most if not all are designed to radiate the signal horizontally.  If your access point is on the second floor, with the antenna's configured to radiate horizontally, and you move your laptop or PC directly under it, theres a good chance you're signal is going to suck or be unusable.</p><p>If you view available wifi networks, how many do you see in your list?  There are only 11 channels in standard A/B/G.  More than 11 networks and you are already sharing bandwidth someone else regardless of what you do.  With less than 11, theres still a good chance you're sharing with someone else since most WAPs are too stupid to pick a clean channel initially, and even if yours did, it didn't get any help when someone else plugged in a cheap WAP that used your channel as well.</p><p>View available networks with a wifi browser, find out if there are any channels that aren't in use, those are the first ones to switch to.  If I recall correctly, 1, 6, and 11 are good ones to use to avoid microwave interference</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with your radio is that your alternator works at frequency ranges that are audible .
Hence they put electrical 'chokes ' on the power lines feeding the radio in order to filter out the noise to the point that you ca n't hear it .
Its still there , just the alternator noise has been suppressed to the point that you ca n't hear it.Wifi operates in the microwave region and above .
There is n't anything in your car that naturally operates at this frequency , so all you have to worry about would be sideband generation from other equipment .
Since anything capable of generating these side bands SHOULD be required to carry proper shielding its probably a non-issue.Your home wifi screwing up because of your microwave is likely .
Your furnace or TV is extremely unlikely .
The furnace does n't have anything in it generally that will produce frequencies in the range that wifi uses , its not your problem unless you have a microprocessor controlled thermostat or controlling system that is somehow generating extremely powerful ( relatively ) side band interference 1000 times its base frequency , which is EXTREMELY unlikely.Do you or your neighbors have a cordless phone in the 2.4 ghz range ?
Those are a problem , their quality is typically sub par and they are sharing the same band as wifi .
You 're neighbors wifi or microwave could also be a problem .
How far away is your WAP from the device having connection issues ?
To close can be a problem , my laptops for instance will not communicate AT ALL with the WAP if they are within 5 feet of the device .
They 'll see it , they 'll 'connect ' but no data will flow .
One of the two is borking up when it gets a signal thats too high .
You also have to pay attention to the orientation of your antennas on your wifi device .
Most if not all are designed to radiate the signal horizontally .
If your access point is on the second floor , with the antenna 's configured to radiate horizontally , and you move your laptop or PC directly under it , theres a good chance you 're signal is going to suck or be unusable.If you view available wifi networks , how many do you see in your list ?
There are only 11 channels in standard A/B/G .
More than 11 networks and you are already sharing bandwidth someone else regardless of what you do .
With less than 11 , theres still a good chance you 're sharing with someone else since most WAPs are too stupid to pick a clean channel initially , and even if yours did , it did n't get any help when someone else plugged in a cheap WAP that used your channel as well.View available networks with a wifi browser , find out if there are any channels that are n't in use , those are the first ones to switch to .
If I recall correctly , 1 , 6 , and 11 are good ones to use to avoid microwave interference</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with your radio is that your alternator works at frequency ranges that are audible.
Hence they put electrical 'chokes' on the power lines feeding the radio in order to filter out the noise to the point that you can't hear it.
Its still there, just the alternator noise has been suppressed to the point that you can't hear it.Wifi operates in the microwave region and above.
There isn't anything in your car that naturally operates at this frequency, so all you have to worry about would be sideband generation from other equipment.
Since anything capable of generating these side bands SHOULD be required to carry proper shielding its probably a non-issue.Your home wifi screwing up because of your microwave is likely.
Your furnace or TV is extremely unlikely.
The furnace doesn't have anything in it generally that will produce frequencies in the range that wifi uses, its not your problem unless you have a microprocessor controlled thermostat or controlling system that is somehow generating extremely powerful (relatively) side band interference 1000 times its base frequency, which is EXTREMELY unlikely.Do you or your neighbors have a cordless phone in the 2.4 ghz range?
Those are a problem, their quality is typically sub par and they are sharing the same band as wifi.
You're neighbors wifi or microwave could also be a problem.
How far away is your WAP from the device having connection issues?
To close can be a problem, my laptops for instance will not communicate AT ALL with the WAP if they are within 5 feet of the device.
They'll see it, they'll 'connect' but no data will flow.
One of the two is borking up when it gets a signal thats too high.
You also have to pay attention to the orientation of your antennas on your wifi device.
Most if not all are designed to radiate the signal horizontally.
If your access point is on the second floor, with the antenna's configured to radiate horizontally, and you move your laptop or PC directly under it, theres a good chance you're signal is going to suck or be unusable.If you view available wifi networks, how many do you see in your list?
There are only 11 channels in standard A/B/G.
More than 11 networks and you are already sharing bandwidth someone else regardless of what you do.
With less than 11, theres still a good chance you're sharing with someone else since most WAPs are too stupid to pick a clean channel initially, and even if yours did, it didn't get any help when someone else plugged in a cheap WAP that used your channel as well.View available networks with a wifi browser, find out if there are any channels that aren't in use, those are the first ones to switch to.
If I recall correctly, 1, 6, and 11 are good ones to use to avoid microwave interference</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30520510</id>
	<title>Re:god damn self driving cars</title>
	<author>modmans2ndcoming</author>
	<datestamp>1261417560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you don't pay attention to the darpa challenge winners do you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you do n't pay attention to the darpa challenge winners do you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you don't pay attention to the darpa challenge winners do you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30519014</id>
	<title>Re:Worthless gimmicks for worthless cars</title>
	<author>camperdave</author>
	<datestamp>1261404840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>if you are outside the car then you would hardly stay connected long enough to send an email before the car you are stealing bandwidth from goes out of range.</i> <br> <br>
<a href="http://allworldcars.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/01/tokyo\_traffic\_jam1.jpg" title="allworldcars.com">Not necessarily</a> [allworldcars.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>if you are outside the car then you would hardly stay connected long enough to send an email before the car you are stealing bandwidth from goes out of range .
Not necessarily [ allworldcars.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if you are outside the car then you would hardly stay connected long enough to send an email before the car you are stealing bandwidth from goes out of range.
Not necessarily [allworldcars.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30519540</id>
	<title>Re:Worthless gimmicks for worthless cars</title>
	<author>ScrewMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1261408740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If i want my car to have a Wifi AP I will throw my own wifi equipment in the back</p></div><p>Not much equipment needed. Personally, I just take my rooted G1 running Cyanogenmod and run any of a number of WAP apps. For that matter, the Cyanogenmod firmware has USB tethering built-in.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If i want my car to have a Wifi AP I will throw my own wifi equipment in the backNot much equipment needed .
Personally , I just take my rooted G1 running Cyanogenmod and run any of a number of WAP apps .
For that matter , the Cyanogenmod firmware has USB tethering built-in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If i want my car to have a Wifi AP I will throw my own wifi equipment in the backNot much equipment needed.
Personally, I just take my rooted G1 running Cyanogenmod and run any of a number of WAP apps.
For that matter, the Cyanogenmod firmware has USB tethering built-in.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518978</id>
	<title>Re:Worthless gimmicks for worthless cars</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261404480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You live somewhere without road salt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You live somewhere without road salt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You live somewhere without road salt.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518856</id>
	<title>Some other subsidy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261403400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a great idea... except it's in the wrong people's hands.</p><p>With it, I'd like peer2peer like distribution.  I know these people, and they write scripts (using google wave), performances - both visual and aural.<br>These are the mobile version.  The distribution unit can be housed in the bottom of a block of flats.</p><p>This is how my 21st century utopia would begin.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a great idea... except it 's in the wrong people 's hands.With it , I 'd like peer2peer like distribution .
I know these people , and they write scripts ( using google wave ) , performances - both visual and aural.These are the mobile version .
The distribution unit can be housed in the bottom of a block of flats.This is how my 21st century utopia would begin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a great idea... except it's in the wrong people's hands.With it, I'd like peer2peer like distribution.
I know these people, and they write scripts (using google wave), performances - both visual and aural.These are the mobile version.
The distribution unit can be housed in the bottom of a block of flats.This is how my 21st century utopia would begin.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30519590</id>
	<title>Re:Shoutcast in my car, can it be done cheapish?</title>
	<author>rantingkitten</author>
	<datestamp>1261408980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Allow me to shamelessly plug my own station (in my sig) if you're into that type of music.  <br>
<br>
That said, my friend brought my station up on his iPhone.  Seems to me that'd be a way to do it -- stream it on a phone and plug that into your head unit's aux jack.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Allow me to shamelessly plug my own station ( in my sig ) if you 're into that type of music .
That said , my friend brought my station up on his iPhone .
Seems to me that 'd be a way to do it -- stream it on a phone and plug that into your head unit 's aux jack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Allow me to shamelessly plug my own station (in my sig) if you're into that type of music.
That said, my friend brought my station up on his iPhone.
Seems to me that'd be a way to do it -- stream it on a phone and plug that into your head unit's aux jack.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518832</id>
	<title>Re:safe?</title>
	<author>PolygamousRanchKid </author>
	<datestamp>1261403280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> . . . and this related product is hard to beat: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B0014BYKVO/ref=dp\_otherviews\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=automotive&amp;img=1" title="amazon.com">http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B0014BYKVO/ref=dp\_otherviews\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=automotive&amp;img=1</a> [amazon.com]
</p><p> . . . and to think that we used to complain about chicks putting on make-up at traffic lights . . .</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.
. .
and this related product is hard to beat : http : //www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B0014BYKVO/ref = dp \ _otherviews \ _1 ? ie = UTF8&amp;s = automotive&amp;img = 1 [ amazon.com ] .
. .
and to think that we used to complain about chicks putting on make-up at traffic lights .
. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> .
. .
and this related product is hard to beat: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B0014BYKVO/ref=dp\_otherviews\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=automotive&amp;img=1 [amazon.com]
 .
. .
and to think that we used to complain about chicks putting on make-up at traffic lights .
. .</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30522414</id>
	<title>Re:Some other subsidy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261487280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am curious about reverse wardriving, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am curious about reverse wardriving , and would like to subscribe to your newsletter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am curious about reverse wardriving, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518806</id>
	<title>What the hell is a "road warrier"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261402980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thet is wot I cowl bed spilling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thet is wot I cowl bed spilling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thet is wot I cowl bed spilling.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30519714</id>
	<title>Re:Understanding Wi-Fi fail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261410120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Besides, when I use my laptop while driving, I sit it on the passenger seat anyway.</p></div><p>In the US, most if not all states have laws against having equipment like a TV or laptop in the front part of the car.  At least if it's turned on.  Some have laws where the device must be out of reach even if it's off.  So good luck with your distracted driving, you're just asking for a serious fine.</p><p>There are exceptions for some devices but probably a lot of the in-dash DVD and even GPS devices are technically breaking the law.  Which means your insurance might not cover you if anything happens.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Besides , when I use my laptop while driving , I sit it on the passenger seat anyway.In the US , most if not all states have laws against having equipment like a TV or laptop in the front part of the car .
At least if it 's turned on .
Some have laws where the device must be out of reach even if it 's off .
So good luck with your distracted driving , you 're just asking for a serious fine.There are exceptions for some devices but probably a lot of the in-dash DVD and even GPS devices are technically breaking the law .
Which means your insurance might not cover you if anything happens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Besides, when I use my laptop while driving, I sit it on the passenger seat anyway.In the US, most if not all states have laws against having equipment like a TV or laptop in the front part of the car.
At least if it's turned on.
Some have laws where the device must be out of reach even if it's off.
So good luck with your distracted driving, you're just asking for a serious fine.There are exceptions for some devices but probably a lot of the in-dash DVD and even GPS devices are technically breaking the law.
Which means your insurance might not cover you if anything happens.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30520476</id>
	<title>Re:Worthless gimmicks for worthless cars</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261417080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ford has quietly been improving its quality and reliability over the last few years, I wouldn't knock it until you've tried it.  I'm sure that you enjoy buying the ludicrously overpriced replacement parts for your non-domestically produced vehicle.</p><p>And while I'm sure the current wireless standard will be around longer than most new Fords, it's the associated hardware that I would be worried about...</p><p>Disclaimer - I drive a 1995 Ford Taurus with 165,000 miles on it - still going strong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ford has quietly been improving its quality and reliability over the last few years , I would n't knock it until you 've tried it .
I 'm sure that you enjoy buying the ludicrously overpriced replacement parts for your non-domestically produced vehicle.And while I 'm sure the current wireless standard will be around longer than most new Fords , it 's the associated hardware that I would be worried about...Disclaimer - I drive a 1995 Ford Taurus with 165,000 miles on it - still going strong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ford has quietly been improving its quality and reliability over the last few years, I wouldn't knock it until you've tried it.
I'm sure that you enjoy buying the ludicrously overpriced replacement parts for your non-domestically produced vehicle.And while I'm sure the current wireless standard will be around longer than most new Fords, it's the associated hardware that I would be worried about...Disclaimer - I drive a 1995 Ford Taurus with 165,000 miles on it - still going strong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518888</id>
	<title>Re:Worthless gimmicks for worthless cars</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261403700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do you honestly believe that the best batteries available today won't be considered worthless in 10 years? There is no technology that is in a car today that is going to be anything more than a joke in the 20 years span your talking about. I'll go as far as to say that 802.11n will still be more respectable in 20 years than anything you'll put in a car today.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you honestly believe that the best batteries available today wo n't be considered worthless in 10 years ?
There is no technology that is in a car today that is going to be anything more than a joke in the 20 years span your talking about .
I 'll go as far as to say that 802.11n will still be more respectable in 20 years than anything you 'll put in a car today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you honestly believe that the best batteries available today won't be considered worthless in 10 years?
There is no technology that is in a car today that is going to be anything more than a joke in the 20 years span your talking about.
I'll go as far as to say that 802.11n will still be more respectable in 20 years than anything you'll put in a car today.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518918</id>
	<title>Radio condenser</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261403940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I seem to recall that my older Honda had something called a 'radio condenser' or something similar linked in with the electrical system. It was supposed to stop the EMF from the spark plugs/solenoids/etc and if I recall correctly from my old haynes guide, the car wouldn't start without it.</p><p>So this is just a question for anyone who works in the field: what effect, if any, does broadcasting and drawing current from a car's electrical system have on these hotspots?</p><p>I'm just curious because the wireless things in my house seem to slow down all the time for things like my microwave, furnace, tv, etc being on.</p><p>-b</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I seem to recall that my older Honda had something called a 'radio condenser ' or something similar linked in with the electrical system .
It was supposed to stop the EMF from the spark plugs/solenoids/etc and if I recall correctly from my old haynes guide , the car would n't start without it.So this is just a question for anyone who works in the field : what effect , if any , does broadcasting and drawing current from a car 's electrical system have on these hotspots ? I 'm just curious because the wireless things in my house seem to slow down all the time for things like my microwave , furnace , tv , etc being on.-b</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I seem to recall that my older Honda had something called a 'radio condenser' or something similar linked in with the electrical system.
It was supposed to stop the EMF from the spark plugs/solenoids/etc and if I recall correctly from my old haynes guide, the car wouldn't start without it.So this is just a question for anyone who works in the field: what effect, if any, does broadcasting and drawing current from a car's electrical system have on these hotspots?I'm just curious because the wireless things in my house seem to slow down all the time for things like my microwave, furnace, tv, etc being on.-b</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30519026</id>
	<title>Re:This is different how?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261404960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's sort of ironic that the frosty piss post is modded as redundant even though it's first and actually more meaningful that frosty piss.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's sort of ironic that the frosty piss post is modded as redundant even though it 's first and actually more meaningful that frosty piss .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's sort of ironic that the frosty piss post is modded as redundant even though it's first and actually more meaningful that frosty piss.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30519742</id>
	<title>Re:Use your imagination</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261410360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't worry, I'm sure if the stack was FOSS we wouldn't be worrying so much about the safety implications.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't worry , I 'm sure if the stack was FOSS we would n't be worrying so much about the safety implications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't worry, I'm sure if the stack was FOSS we wouldn't be worrying so much about the safety implications.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518830</id>
	<title>Worthless gimmicks for worthless cars</title>
	<author>ickleberry</author>
	<datestamp>1261403280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously, what good is this to anyone? if you're in the car you would just use your SIM-locked USB modem that you pay 59.99 a month for and if you are outside the car then you would hardly stay connected long enough to send an email before the car you are stealing bandwidth from goes out of range.<br> <br>

I never quite understood this idea behind putting the latest technological gimmick into a car. 802.11g will be obsolete in a few years, 802.11n soon after. The car should last 20 years so that means half way through its expected service life the wifi, the USB connection and the built-in GPS will be almost completely worthless.<br> <br>

If i want my car to have a Wifi AP I will throw my own wifi equipment in the back. same with phones, GPS, all that stuff. Give me a bare minimum car such as the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrightspeed\_X1" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrightspeed\_X1</a> [wikipedia.org]Wrightspeed X1 but with the most efficient power system, the best batteries available and the highest quality components that won't break. Not putting worthless consumer electronic gimmicks onto a chassis that is supposed to last 20 years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , what good is this to anyone ?
if you 're in the car you would just use your SIM-locked USB modem that you pay 59.99 a month for and if you are outside the car then you would hardly stay connected long enough to send an email before the car you are stealing bandwidth from goes out of range .
I never quite understood this idea behind putting the latest technological gimmick into a car .
802.11g will be obsolete in a few years , 802.11n soon after .
The car should last 20 years so that means half way through its expected service life the wifi , the USB connection and the built-in GPS will be almost completely worthless .
If i want my car to have a Wifi AP I will throw my own wifi equipment in the back .
same with phones , GPS , all that stuff .
Give me a bare minimum car such as the http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrightspeed \ _X1 [ wikipedia.org ] Wrightspeed X1 but with the most efficient power system , the best batteries available and the highest quality components that wo n't break .
Not putting worthless consumer electronic gimmicks onto a chassis that is supposed to last 20 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, what good is this to anyone?
if you're in the car you would just use your SIM-locked USB modem that you pay 59.99 a month for and if you are outside the car then you would hardly stay connected long enough to send an email before the car you are stealing bandwidth from goes out of range.
I never quite understood this idea behind putting the latest technological gimmick into a car.
802.11g will be obsolete in a few years, 802.11n soon after.
The car should last 20 years so that means half way through its expected service life the wifi, the USB connection and the built-in GPS will be almost completely worthless.
If i want my car to have a Wifi AP I will throw my own wifi equipment in the back.
same with phones, GPS, all that stuff.
Give me a bare minimum car such as the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrightspeed\_X1 [wikipedia.org]Wrightspeed X1 but with the most efficient power system, the best batteries available and the highest quality components that won't break.
Not putting worthless consumer electronic gimmicks onto a chassis that is supposed to last 20 years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518756</id>
	<title>HEY YOU FUCKING NIGGERS!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261402560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What's the most confusing day in Harlem?  Father's day!  Really, how do these fat disgusting hoes with shitty attitudes keep getting knocked up?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the most confusing day in Harlem ?
Father 's day !
Really , how do these fat disgusting hoes with shitty attitudes keep getting knocked up ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the most confusing day in Harlem?
Father's day!
Really, how do these fat disgusting hoes with shitty attitudes keep getting knocked up?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30520518</id>
	<title>Re:Worthless gimmicks for worthless cars</title>
	<author>modmans2ndcoming</author>
	<datestamp>1261417740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fuck you. Current Fords are rock solid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fuck you .
Current Fords are rock solid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fuck you.
Current Fords are rock solid.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518882</id>
	<title>Re:Worthless gimmicks for worthless cars</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261403700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The car should last 20 years</p></div></blockquote><p>

You've obviously never owned a Ford. I'd be willing to bet current wireless standards will be around longer than most new Fords.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The car should last 20 years You 've obviously never owned a Ford .
I 'd be willing to bet current wireless standards will be around longer than most new Fords .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The car should last 20 years

You've obviously never owned a Ford.
I'd be willing to bet current wireless standards will be around longer than most new Fords.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30522762</id>
	<title>SCP too good to be true</title>
	<author>ickleberry</author>
	<datestamp>1261491000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If any manufacturer made a stereo like this, they'd force you to use their Windows-only bloatware. and ironically the stereo itself will run embedded linux, possibly even with scp installed but not usable</htmltext>
<tokenext>If any manufacturer made a stereo like this , they 'd force you to use their Windows-only bloatware .
and ironically the stereo itself will run embedded linux , possibly even with scp installed but not usable</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If any manufacturer made a stereo like this, they'd force you to use their Windows-only bloatware.
and ironically the stereo itself will run embedded linux, possibly even with scp installed but not usable</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518970</id>
	<title>How funny</title>
	<author>WindBourne</author>
	<datestamp>1261404420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Over 12 years ago, I was part of a company that was going to do this concept for Buses in the Denver basin (RTD). The idea was to have one hotspot on the bus, and another doing the link. Then then we were to be given access to the Public Service lights to rig up more hotspots. Sadly, we turned it down.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Over 12 years ago , I was part of a company that was going to do this concept for Buses in the Denver basin ( RTD ) .
The idea was to have one hotspot on the bus , and another doing the link .
Then then we were to be given access to the Public Service lights to rig up more hotspots .
Sadly , we turned it down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Over 12 years ago, I was part of a company that was going to do this concept for Buses in the Denver basin (RTD).
The idea was to have one hotspot on the bus, and another doing the link.
Then then we were to be given access to the Public Service lights to rig up more hotspots.
Sadly, we turned it down.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518818</id>
	<title>Leo's new Mustang</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261403160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Leo Laporte (host of This Week in Tech) recently bought a 2010 SYNC-equipped Mustang, and seems to like it a lot.  (Of course, Ford is an advertiser, but otoh he bought the Mustang with his own money.)  <a href="http://leoville.com/to-the-twitmobile" title="leoville.com">http://leoville.com/to-the-twitmobile</a> [leoville.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Leo Laporte ( host of This Week in Tech ) recently bought a 2010 SYNC-equipped Mustang , and seems to like it a lot .
( Of course , Ford is an advertiser , but otoh he bought the Mustang with his own money .
) http : //leoville.com/to-the-twitmobile [ leoville.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Leo Laporte (host of This Week in Tech) recently bought a 2010 SYNC-equipped Mustang, and seems to like it a lot.
(Of course, Ford is an advertiser, but otoh he bought the Mustang with his own money.
)  http://leoville.com/to-the-twitmobile [leoville.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30520062</id>
	<title>Re:Use your imagination</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261413060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Your fear is based on what you know now. You should instead base your hopes on those good things you can imagine."</p><p>Wow, you must be a Democrat.</p><p>But seriously, I can see that ads now: "Want to be a lethal danger on the roadway?  There's an app. for that!"<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Your fear is based on what you know now .
You should instead base your hopes on those good things you can imagine .
" Wow , you must be a Democrat.But seriously , I can see that ads now : " Want to be a lethal danger on the roadway ?
There 's an app .
for that !
"  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Your fear is based on what you know now.
You should instead base your hopes on those good things you can imagine.
"Wow, you must be a Democrat.But seriously, I can see that ads now: "Want to be a lethal danger on the roadway?
There's an app.
for that!
"
 </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30521276</id>
	<title>Re:Use your imagination</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1261513740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wifi is no help for anything you would provide the driver in that manner since wifi isn't going to get you connected to the Internet while driving around town in less you happen to live in that 0.0001\% of the villages/towns/cities in the world that have public wifi blankets.</p><p>The USB dongle would be useful for that however, with or without a WAP</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wifi is no help for anything you would provide the driver in that manner since wifi is n't going to get you connected to the Internet while driving around town in less you happen to live in that 0.0001 \ % of the villages/towns/cities in the world that have public wifi blankets.The USB dongle would be useful for that however , with or without a WAP</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wifi is no help for anything you would provide the driver in that manner since wifi isn't going to get you connected to the Internet while driving around town in less you happen to live in that 0.0001\% of the villages/towns/cities in the world that have public wifi blankets.The USB dongle would be useful for that however, with or without a WAP</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30520966</id>
	<title>Re:Radio condenser</title>
	<author>adolf</author>
	<datestamp>1261423020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Answer to your question:  Nothing.  The power supply for the radio will inherently be rather well isolated, as it's very easy to do in the conversion from 12V that the car produces to the 5V that the USB radio uses.</p><p>Answers to your quandary:  Microwaves the same bit of spectrum that WiFi does, except with something in the neighborhood of 1,000 Watts instead of the ~0.060 Watts that your access point uses; it doesn't take much microwave leakage before interference happens.  Try different channels; it sometimes seems to help, often to the point that the symptom goes away completely.</p><p>Furnace:  Your blower motors are dirty or tired.  They should not create enough RF noise to cause WiFi to notice.  A skilled electrician can install a capacitor ("radio condenser") at the furnace, which might help some.</p><p>TV:  Who knows.  There's a lot of stuff going on in a modern entertainment system, and I won't conject without more information.</p><p>Finally:  Do the lights in your house ever get brighter when a heavy load (dishwasher pump, clothes washer, vacuum cleaner, etc) switches on?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Answer to your question : Nothing .
The power supply for the radio will inherently be rather well isolated , as it 's very easy to do in the conversion from 12V that the car produces to the 5V that the USB radio uses.Answers to your quandary : Microwaves the same bit of spectrum that WiFi does , except with something in the neighborhood of 1,000 Watts instead of the ~ 0.060 Watts that your access point uses ; it does n't take much microwave leakage before interference happens .
Try different channels ; it sometimes seems to help , often to the point that the symptom goes away completely.Furnace : Your blower motors are dirty or tired .
They should not create enough RF noise to cause WiFi to notice .
A skilled electrician can install a capacitor ( " radio condenser " ) at the furnace , which might help some.TV : Who knows .
There 's a lot of stuff going on in a modern entertainment system , and I wo n't conject without more information.Finally : Do the lights in your house ever get brighter when a heavy load ( dishwasher pump , clothes washer , vacuum cleaner , etc ) switches on ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Answer to your question:  Nothing.
The power supply for the radio will inherently be rather well isolated, as it's very easy to do in the conversion from 12V that the car produces to the 5V that the USB radio uses.Answers to your quandary:  Microwaves the same bit of spectrum that WiFi does, except with something in the neighborhood of 1,000 Watts instead of the ~0.060 Watts that your access point uses; it doesn't take much microwave leakage before interference happens.
Try different channels; it sometimes seems to help, often to the point that the symptom goes away completely.Furnace:  Your blower motors are dirty or tired.
They should not create enough RF noise to cause WiFi to notice.
A skilled electrician can install a capacitor ("radio condenser") at the furnace, which might help some.TV:  Who knows.
There's a lot of stuff going on in a modern entertainment system, and I won't conject without more information.Finally:  Do the lights in your house ever get brighter when a heavy load (dishwasher pump, clothes washer, vacuum cleaner, etc) switches on?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518918</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30519170</id>
	<title>Re:Worthless gimmicks for worthless cars</title>
	<author>lena\_10326</author>
	<datestamp>1261405980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Seriously, what good is this to anyone? if you're in the car you would just use your SIM-locked USB modem that you pay 59.99 a month for and if you are outside the car then you would hardly stay connected long enough to send an email before the car you are stealing bandwidth from goes out of range</p></div></blockquote><p>

Forgot to add this in my other post. Anyway, what about car pools? Multiple passengers with laptops sharing the same modem. How about devices that have Wi-fi but no practical USB port? Book readers, MP3, PSP/DS, XBox/PS3/Wii...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , what good is this to anyone ?
if you 're in the car you would just use your SIM-locked USB modem that you pay 59.99 a month for and if you are outside the car then you would hardly stay connected long enough to send an email before the car you are stealing bandwidth from goes out of range Forgot to add this in my other post .
Anyway , what about car pools ?
Multiple passengers with laptops sharing the same modem .
How about devices that have Wi-fi but no practical USB port ?
Book readers , MP3 , PSP/DS , XBox/PS3/Wii.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, what good is this to anyone?
if you're in the car you would just use your SIM-locked USB modem that you pay 59.99 a month for and if you are outside the car then you would hardly stay connected long enough to send an email before the car you are stealing bandwidth from goes out of range

Forgot to add this in my other post.
Anyway, what about car pools?
Multiple passengers with laptops sharing the same modem.
How about devices that have Wi-fi but no practical USB port?
Book readers, MP3, PSP/DS, XBox/PS3/Wii...
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518916</id>
	<title>Re:Worthless gimmicks for worthless cars</title>
	<author>QuoteMstr</author>
	<datestamp>1261403880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why does everyone (including manufacturers) suppose the only upgradeable component of a car's electronic system should be the radio? What's the harm in allowing the wireless module to be replaced with a better one in a few years?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does everyone ( including manufacturers ) suppose the only upgradeable component of a car 's electronic system should be the radio ?
What 's the harm in allowing the wireless module to be replaced with a better one in a few years ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does everyone (including manufacturers) suppose the only upgradeable component of a car's electronic system should be the radio?
What's the harm in allowing the wireless module to be replaced with a better one in a few years?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518830</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30529782</id>
	<title>Re:Worthless gimmicks for worthless cars</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1261479720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>imagine every car having wifi and creating a dynamic network.<br>This means you could have a signal anywhere there is traffic.</p><p>By the way, if a hotspot tells me its available to use and doesn't demand credentials, it's not trespassing or stealing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>imagine every car having wifi and creating a dynamic network.This means you could have a signal anywhere there is traffic.By the way , if a hotspot tells me its available to use and does n't demand credentials , it 's not trespassing or stealing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>imagine every car having wifi and creating a dynamic network.This means you could have a signal anywhere there is traffic.By the way, if a hotspot tells me its available to use and doesn't demand credentials, it's not trespassing or stealing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30518830</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_225224.30519024</id>
	<title>Re:god damn self driving cars</title>
	<author>citab</author>
	<datestamp>1261404960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>wow, maybe someone needs to program the nearest "AA" meeting location into the GPS of their Self-Driving Car and let it take them there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>wow , maybe someone needs to program the nearest " AA " meeting location into the GPS of their Self-Driving Car and let it take them there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wow, maybe someone needs to program the nearest "AA" meeting location into the GPS of their Self-Driving Car and let it take them there.</sentencetext>
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