<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_21_1513253</id>
	<title>DirecTV Sued By Washington State</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1261411560000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>thomst writes <i>"A week ago, Rob McKenna, the Attorney General of Washington State, filed suit against DirecTV, <a href="http://redtape.msnbc.com/2009/12/a-lawsuit-filed-this-week-by-washington-state-against-directv-could-have-a-secondary-purpose-it-could-serve-as-a-textbook-fo.html">alleging 16 counts of unfair, deceptive, and unethical business practices</a>. The charges include failure to disclose important contract information (such as early termination fees, 'service maintenance' fees, and rebate terms), misrepresentation, 'negative option' billing, 'unconscionable enforcement of contract to which there has been no mutual consent,' failure to honor promotional offers, and 'imposing charges when no service has been provided.' The <a href="http://atg.wa.gov/uploadedFiles/Home/News/Press\_Releases/2009/DIRECTVComplaint2009-12-14.pdf">complaint is available online</a> (PDF). MSNBC's Bob Sullivan states that McKenna's office received 375 complaints against DirecTV in the 11.5 months before he filed suit, and 59 additional complaints in the 24 hours immediately after the filing was announced. Sullivan's story also states, 'McKenna said he'd been working with DirecTV for months in an attempt to avoid a court battle, and he was surprised DirecTV refused to change its business practices voluntarily.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>thomst writes " A week ago , Rob McKenna , the Attorney General of Washington State , filed suit against DirecTV , alleging 16 counts of unfair , deceptive , and unethical business practices .
The charges include failure to disclose important contract information ( such as early termination fees , 'service maintenance ' fees , and rebate terms ) , misrepresentation , 'negative option ' billing , 'unconscionable enforcement of contract to which there has been no mutual consent, ' failure to honor promotional offers , and 'imposing charges when no service has been provided .
' The complaint is available online ( PDF ) .
MSNBC 's Bob Sullivan states that McKenna 's office received 375 complaints against DirecTV in the 11.5 months before he filed suit , and 59 additional complaints in the 24 hours immediately after the filing was announced .
Sullivan 's story also states , 'McKenna said he 'd been working with DirecTV for months in an attempt to avoid a court battle , and he was surprised DirecTV refused to change its business practices voluntarily .
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<sentencetext>thomst writes "A week ago, Rob McKenna, the Attorney General of Washington State, filed suit against DirecTV, alleging 16 counts of unfair, deceptive, and unethical business practices.
The charges include failure to disclose important contract information (such as early termination fees, 'service maintenance' fees, and rebate terms), misrepresentation, 'negative option' billing, 'unconscionable enforcement of contract to which there has been no mutual consent,' failure to honor promotional offers, and 'imposing charges when no service has been provided.
' The complaint is available online (PDF).
MSNBC's Bob Sullivan states that McKenna's office received 375 complaints against DirecTV in the 11.5 months before he filed suit, and 59 additional complaints in the 24 hours immediately after the filing was announced.
Sullivan's story also states, 'McKenna said he'd been working with DirecTV for months in an attempt to avoid a court battle, and he was surprised DirecTV refused to change its business practices voluntarily.
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30514492</id>
	<title>Re:I had a bad experience with DirecTV DVR</title>
	<author>isfry</author>
	<datestamp>1261422240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had that happen to but I had the protection plan. I had a receiver replaced under that plan and my contract grew 2 years because of that. When to cancel and they said i was still under contract. Talked to a lot of reps and seemed like someone was going to waive that till collections called. At that point the could pound salt. i think we still gwet calles from them over that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had that happen to but I had the protection plan .
I had a receiver replaced under that plan and my contract grew 2 years because of that .
When to cancel and they said i was still under contract .
Talked to a lot of reps and seemed like someone was going to waive that till collections called .
At that point the could pound salt .
i think we still gwet calles from them over that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had that happen to but I had the protection plan.
I had a receiver replaced under that plan and my contract grew 2 years because of that.
When to cancel and they said i was still under contract.
Talked to a lot of reps and seemed like someone was going to waive that till collections called.
At that point the could pound salt.
i think we still gwet calles from them over that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30517232</id>
	<title>Re:the 2nd happiest day of a directv customer</title>
	<author>plague3106</author>
	<datestamp>1261392060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just because they put something in a contract does not mean its valid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just because they put something in a contract does not mean its valid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just because they put something in a contract does not mean its valid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513724</id>
	<title>Re:Washington "State"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261418880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Give it up.  I was born in Bangor.  Which one comes to mind first?</p><p>I moved to Portland.  No, not that one, the other one.</p><p>I did a lot ofbusiness in Augusta.  That one is not known for golf.</p><p>If you just say 'Washington', most people think 'D.C.', and rightly so, since it impacts their lives much more.</p><p>A common mistake, get over it.  Or move where the rain doesn't make you so cranky.  That would NOT be Portland, Maine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Give it up .
I was born in Bangor .
Which one comes to mind first ? I moved to Portland .
No , not that one , the other one.I did a lot ofbusiness in Augusta .
That one is not known for golf.If you just say 'Washington ' , most people think 'D.C .
' , and rightly so , since it impacts their lives much more.A common mistake , get over it .
Or move where the rain does n't make you so cranky .
That would NOT be Portland , Maine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Give it up.
I was born in Bangor.
Which one comes to mind first?I moved to Portland.
No, not that one, the other one.I did a lot ofbusiness in Augusta.
That one is not known for golf.If you just say 'Washington', most people think 'D.C.
', and rightly so, since it impacts their lives much more.A common mistake, get over it.
Or move where the rain doesn't make you so cranky.
That would NOT be Portland, Maine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30512906</id>
	<title>It's about time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261415340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>DirectTV had been strong arming alleged theft of service cases to force many innocent people to pay large amounts and settle out of court.  It's about time that they get busted for other strong arm tactics that they are doing to customers.  This company has been extorting money for years.  It's finally about time someone goes after them!</htmltext>
<tokenext>DirectTV had been strong arming alleged theft of service cases to force many innocent people to pay large amounts and settle out of court .
It 's about time that they get busted for other strong arm tactics that they are doing to customers .
This company has been extorting money for years .
It 's finally about time someone goes after them !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DirectTV had been strong arming alleged theft of service cases to force many innocent people to pay large amounts and settle out of court.
It's about time that they get busted for other strong arm tactics that they are doing to customers.
This company has been extorting money for years.
It's finally about time someone goes after them!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30515582</id>
	<title>Ah, finally a place to vent...</title>
	<author>windex82</author>
	<datestamp>1261427040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cool Story Bro time, about time I get to vent about this... despite this one issue I've had I still like directv's services (including support) more than dish networks or comcast.</p><p>SO I setup our directv account when I was living with the parents, I was going to take care of the bill for the houshold and set the account up in my name.</p><p>I move and setup a new account.  I would have used their moving service but I wanted to retain the service at the original location.  I figured I would just have the account signed over to my mother who would then take care of the account.</p><p>Except that's not so easy.... They have no way to sign over an account unless its your wife/husband.  The only way to convert the account from my name would be to cancel the account and setup a new.  Pointless hassle but once its done I'm done.</p><p>Except that's no so easy.... They require you to send back the equipment and re-lease it!  So, I've got to send all the receivers back, wait for some douche to come take the dish, then sign up for a new account and REPAY the deposits, wait for an installer to re-install all the equipment that ALREADY in place!</p><p>It should go without saying the account is still in my name.</p><p>I wonder if I'll be able to fix the account NOW...</p><p>And damn it, since I'm venting... wtf is up with the insane delay slashdot has for showing your preview or submitting  your post.... it honestly takes 30 seconds for the preview to, erm, preview the first time.  After that its pretty quick... .</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cool Story Bro time , about time I get to vent about this... despite this one issue I 've had I still like directv 's services ( including support ) more than dish networks or comcast.SO I setup our directv account when I was living with the parents , I was going to take care of the bill for the houshold and set the account up in my name.I move and setup a new account .
I would have used their moving service but I wanted to retain the service at the original location .
I figured I would just have the account signed over to my mother who would then take care of the account.Except that 's not so easy.... They have no way to sign over an account unless its your wife/husband .
The only way to convert the account from my name would be to cancel the account and setup a new .
Pointless hassle but once its done I 'm done.Except that 's no so easy.... They require you to send back the equipment and re-lease it !
So , I 've got to send all the receivers back , wait for some douche to come take the dish , then sign up for a new account and REPAY the deposits , wait for an installer to re-install all the equipment that ALREADY in place ! It should go without saying the account is still in my name.I wonder if I 'll be able to fix the account NOW...And damn it , since I 'm venting... wtf is up with the insane delay slashdot has for showing your preview or submitting your post.... it honestly takes 30 seconds for the preview to , erm , preview the first time .
After that its pretty quick... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cool Story Bro time, about time I get to vent about this... despite this one issue I've had I still like directv's services (including support) more than dish networks or comcast.SO I setup our directv account when I was living with the parents, I was going to take care of the bill for the houshold and set the account up in my name.I move and setup a new account.
I would have used their moving service but I wanted to retain the service at the original location.
I figured I would just have the account signed over to my mother who would then take care of the account.Except that's not so easy.... They have no way to sign over an account unless its your wife/husband.
The only way to convert the account from my name would be to cancel the account and setup a new.
Pointless hassle but once its done I'm done.Except that's no so easy.... They require you to send back the equipment and re-lease it!
So, I've got to send all the receivers back, wait for some douche to come take the dish, then sign up for a new account and REPAY the deposits, wait for an installer to re-install all the equipment that ALREADY in place!It should go without saying the account is still in my name.I wonder if I'll be able to fix the account NOW...And damn it, since I'm venting... wtf is up with the insane delay slashdot has for showing your preview or submitting  your post.... it honestly takes 30 seconds for the preview to, erm, preview the first time.
After that its pretty quick... .</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513464</id>
	<title>Re:Washington "State"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261417740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then stop trying to deceive people by saying you are from "LA," when you are really from Louisiana.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then stop trying to deceive people by saying you are from " LA , " when you are really from Louisiana .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then stop trying to deceive people by saying you are from "LA," when you are really from Louisiana.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513052</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30516440</id>
	<title>They turn off the DVR !!</title>
	<author>kbreak</author>
	<datestamp>1261388040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well I'm a little low on cash this month, and DTV turned off my service<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... no biggie, I'll turn it back on soon.... EXCEPT!
I paid $$$ to fill up my DVR with programs, and I tried to watch them.
DTV turns off the DVR too when the bill is delinquent!
If I had recorded all those programs on my computer or VCR, I would still be able to see them!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well I 'm a little low on cash this month , and DTV turned off my service ... no biggie , I 'll turn it back on soon.... EXCEPT ! I paid $ $ $ to fill up my DVR with programs , and I tried to watch them .
DTV turns off the DVR too when the bill is delinquent !
If I had recorded all those programs on my computer or VCR , I would still be able to see them !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well I'm a little low on cash this month, and DTV turned off my service ... no biggie, I'll turn it back on soon.... EXCEPT!
I paid $$$ to fill up my DVR with programs, and I tried to watch them.
DTV turns off the DVR too when the bill is delinquent!
If I had recorded all those programs on my computer or VCR, I would still be able to see them!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513504</id>
	<title>Re:I had a bad experience with DirecTV DVR</title>
	<author>TheNinjaroach</author>
	<datestamp>1261417920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had a much better experience with Dish.  Sure, I didn't own any of the equipment but I didn't pay anything for it either.  When the receiver broke, they replaced it without any trouble.  When I moved houses they sent out a new installation crew free of charge.  Eventually when I decided to cancel (TV isn't worth money..) they asked for my "LNBF" and the receiver, I said "Sure I'll send you the receiver, but you sent out a crew of three men to install that dish with the LNBF and if you want to have that you will need to send them back."  So the account rep took note of the fact I wasn't going up three and a half stories to get their LNBF, I mailed back the receiver free of charge and that was the end of that.  If I ever decide to pay for television again, I'm going nowhere but Dish.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a much better experience with Dish .
Sure , I did n't own any of the equipment but I did n't pay anything for it either .
When the receiver broke , they replaced it without any trouble .
When I moved houses they sent out a new installation crew free of charge .
Eventually when I decided to cancel ( TV is n't worth money.. ) they asked for my " LNBF " and the receiver , I said " Sure I 'll send you the receiver , but you sent out a crew of three men to install that dish with the LNBF and if you want to have that you will need to send them back .
" So the account rep took note of the fact I was n't going up three and a half stories to get their LNBF , I mailed back the receiver free of charge and that was the end of that .
If I ever decide to pay for television again , I 'm going nowhere but Dish .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a much better experience with Dish.
Sure, I didn't own any of the equipment but I didn't pay anything for it either.
When the receiver broke, they replaced it without any trouble.
When I moved houses they sent out a new installation crew free of charge.
Eventually when I decided to cancel (TV isn't worth money..) they asked for my "LNBF" and the receiver, I said "Sure I'll send you the receiver, but you sent out a crew of three men to install that dish with the LNBF and if you want to have that you will need to send them back.
"  So the account rep took note of the fact I wasn't going up three and a half stories to get their LNBF, I mailed back the receiver free of charge and that was the end of that.
If I ever decide to pay for television again, I'm going nowhere but Dish.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30515154</id>
	<title>Re:Not my experience...</title>
	<author>Bill\_the\_Engineer</author>
	<datestamp>1261425120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't doubt your experience may differ from those in Washington. However, I believe the fact that 434 complaints mentioned in the summary has merit from there being 375 unsolicited complaints and 59 "me too" complaints.
</p><p>I think the problem originates from new customers with new receivers, and may explain why your experience differs.
</p><p>I think it's a pretty crappy deal. You pay a discounted price for equipment that depreciate in value rather quickly, and after completing the required number of months of service the receiver's value only exist to extort the customer into staying. Cell phone companies have similar arrangements, but usually you own the equipment after the term of the contract or paying the termination fee.
</p><p>Even though the receiver is basically worthless after you terminate service with them, you practically paid for that receiver by fronting the money and staying with DirectTV for the length of the contract. If DirectTV want these receivers back to curb signal theft, then they should give the receivers for free, specify that a rental fee is included in the subscription price, don't specify a minimum length of service (unless a subscription discount was offered), and allow for easy return of the receiver. If DirectTV did all that, then they also would be well within their rights to charge penalties for not returning the receiver.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't doubt your experience may differ from those in Washington .
However , I believe the fact that 434 complaints mentioned in the summary has merit from there being 375 unsolicited complaints and 59 " me too " complaints .
I think the problem originates from new customers with new receivers , and may explain why your experience differs .
I think it 's a pretty crappy deal .
You pay a discounted price for equipment that depreciate in value rather quickly , and after completing the required number of months of service the receiver 's value only exist to extort the customer into staying .
Cell phone companies have similar arrangements , but usually you own the equipment after the term of the contract or paying the termination fee .
Even though the receiver is basically worthless after you terminate service with them , you practically paid for that receiver by fronting the money and staying with DirectTV for the length of the contract .
If DirectTV want these receivers back to curb signal theft , then they should give the receivers for free , specify that a rental fee is included in the subscription price , do n't specify a minimum length of service ( unless a subscription discount was offered ) , and allow for easy return of the receiver .
If DirectTV did all that , then they also would be well within their rights to charge penalties for not returning the receiver .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't doubt your experience may differ from those in Washington.
However, I believe the fact that 434 complaints mentioned in the summary has merit from there being 375 unsolicited complaints and 59 "me too" complaints.
I think the problem originates from new customers with new receivers, and may explain why your experience differs.
I think it's a pretty crappy deal.
You pay a discounted price for equipment that depreciate in value rather quickly, and after completing the required number of months of service the receiver's value only exist to extort the customer into staying.
Cell phone companies have similar arrangements, but usually you own the equipment after the term of the contract or paying the termination fee.
Even though the receiver is basically worthless after you terminate service with them, you practically paid for that receiver by fronting the money and staying with DirectTV for the length of the contract.
If DirectTV want these receivers back to curb signal theft, then they should give the receivers for free, specify that a rental fee is included in the subscription price, don't specify a minimum length of service (unless a subscription discount was offered), and allow for easy return of the receiver.
If DirectTV did all that, then they also would be well within their rights to charge penalties for not returning the receiver.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30516810</id>
	<title>Re:Washington "State"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261390080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But Washington's Vancouver is older; It was incorporated ~30 years earlier.  We also have Fort Vancouver from the Hudson's Bay Trading Company.</p><p>I think the Candians are still sore about the "54'40" or Fight" thing...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But Washington 's Vancouver is older ; It was incorporated ~ 30 years earlier .
We also have Fort Vancouver from the Hudson 's Bay Trading Company.I think the Candians are still sore about the " 54'40 " or Fight " thing.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But Washington's Vancouver is older; It was incorporated ~30 years earlier.
We also have Fort Vancouver from the Hudson's Bay Trading Company.I think the Candians are still sore about the "54'40" or Fight" thing...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513062</id>
	<title>Re:Washington "State"</title>
	<author>weezel</author>
	<datestamp>1261416000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The ironic part is that the originally proposed name for the state was Columbia but Congress thought that would be too easily confused with the District of Columbia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The ironic part is that the originally proposed name for the state was Columbia but Congress thought that would be too easily confused with the District of Columbia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ironic part is that the originally proposed name for the state was Columbia but Congress thought that would be too easily confused with the District of Columbia.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513526</id>
	<title>Sorry to see it has gotten so bad</title>
	<author>dummondwhu</author>
	<datestamp>1261418040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was a DirecTV customer from within the first year or so of its existence up until maybe 4 years ago, when I moved to an apartment where I couldn't have a dish.  I was completely happy with them in every way.  In the early days, you could buy your own equipment and it wasn't tied to a service contract.  The service contracts were a year instead of two.  Their customer service was pretty good.  Their picture quality, channel selection, and early HD offerings were way ahead of local cable.
<br> <br>
I've said many times that I'd go back to them tomorrow if I could, but I'm having to rethink that, based on the things I've been hearing in recent years.  It's a shame that a company would take such a turn for the worse.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was a DirecTV customer from within the first year or so of its existence up until maybe 4 years ago , when I moved to an apartment where I could n't have a dish .
I was completely happy with them in every way .
In the early days , you could buy your own equipment and it was n't tied to a service contract .
The service contracts were a year instead of two .
Their customer service was pretty good .
Their picture quality , channel selection , and early HD offerings were way ahead of local cable .
I 've said many times that I 'd go back to them tomorrow if I could , but I 'm having to rethink that , based on the things I 've been hearing in recent years .
It 's a shame that a company would take such a turn for the worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was a DirecTV customer from within the first year or so of its existence up until maybe 4 years ago, when I moved to an apartment where I couldn't have a dish.
I was completely happy with them in every way.
In the early days, you could buy your own equipment and it wasn't tied to a service contract.
The service contracts were a year instead of two.
Their customer service was pretty good.
Their picture quality, channel selection, and early HD offerings were way ahead of local cable.
I've said many times that I'd go back to them tomorrow if I could, but I'm having to rethink that, based on the things I've been hearing in recent years.
It's a shame that a company would take such a turn for the worse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30515362</id>
	<title>Re:Why have either?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261426020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Why pay cable/satellite companies for TV in general? I've found that I'm perfectly happy with getting all of my TV online through iTunes, Netflix, Hulu, and various network's websites.</i></p><p>Why would you assume your TV would be the same as anyone else's?</p><p>I primarily watch PBS and live in an area that's a bit too far out for good reception with a converter box.  Admittedly, there is some PBS programming available on the web, but it's far from complete.</p><p>I also watch C-SPAN.  That's funded by cable providers and available only to their subscribers.  The on-line situation is the same as for PBS.</p><p>Admittedly, the line up for most of the pay channels is piss poor given the cost, and HBO hasn't been worth watching since the Sopranos ended.  That's not to say there aren't occasional bursts or original programming that are worth watching, or something similar on the minor channels (NatGeo, etc.).</p><p>Oh, yeah.  English League football!  That's gotta be worth something, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why pay cable/satellite companies for TV in general ?
I 've found that I 'm perfectly happy with getting all of my TV online through iTunes , Netflix , Hulu , and various network 's websites.Why would you assume your TV would be the same as anyone else 's ? I primarily watch PBS and live in an area that 's a bit too far out for good reception with a converter box .
Admittedly , there is some PBS programming available on the web , but it 's far from complete.I also watch C-SPAN .
That 's funded by cable providers and available only to their subscribers .
The on-line situation is the same as for PBS.Admittedly , the line up for most of the pay channels is piss poor given the cost , and HBO has n't been worth watching since the Sopranos ended .
That 's not to say there are n't occasional bursts or original programming that are worth watching , or something similar on the minor channels ( NatGeo , etc .
) .Oh , yeah .
English League football !
That 's got ta be worth something , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why pay cable/satellite companies for TV in general?
I've found that I'm perfectly happy with getting all of my TV online through iTunes, Netflix, Hulu, and various network's websites.Why would you assume your TV would be the same as anyone else's?I primarily watch PBS and live in an area that's a bit too far out for good reception with a converter box.
Admittedly, there is some PBS programming available on the web, but it's far from complete.I also watch C-SPAN.
That's funded by cable providers and available only to their subscribers.
The on-line situation is the same as for PBS.Admittedly, the line up for most of the pay channels is piss poor given the cost, and HBO hasn't been worth watching since the Sopranos ended.
That's not to say there aren't occasional bursts or original programming that are worth watching, or something similar on the minor channels (NatGeo, etc.
).Oh, yeah.
English League football!
That's gotta be worth something, right?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513052</id>
	<title>Re:Washington "State"</title>
	<author>eXonyte</author>
	<datestamp>1261415940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You'll be glad to know there's at least one person out there (myself) who uses "Washington" and "DC".

What also gets old is, "You're from California?" when you inform someone that you live in southern LA.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'll be glad to know there 's at least one person out there ( myself ) who uses " Washington " and " DC " .
What also gets old is , " You 're from California ?
" when you inform someone that you live in southern LA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'll be glad to know there's at least one person out there (myself) who uses "Washington" and "DC".
What also gets old is, "You're from California?
" when you inform someone that you live in southern LA.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30514018</id>
	<title>Kudos to the Washington Attorney General...</title>
	<author>McKing</author>
	<datestamp>1261420080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...for standing up for the people in his state.  It's bad when "doing your job right" gets you lauded, but that only means that other Attorneys General fail at that task miserably.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...for standing up for the people in his state .
It 's bad when " doing your job right " gets you lauded , but that only means that other Attorneys General fail at that task miserably .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...for standing up for the people in his state.
It's bad when "doing your job right" gets you lauded, but that only means that other Attorneys General fail at that task miserably.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30516538</id>
	<title>Re:I had a bad experience with DirecTV DVR</title>
	<author>ktappe</author>
	<datestamp>1261388520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Dish is even worse on leaving - you don't own any of the equipment, if you quit in February, they demand you climb up on the icy roof to get their lnb to ship back, and they threaten to charge not only the early termination fee - but the full cost of the equipment if its "damaged" in any way - meaning if they find a scratch, they'll hit your credit card-  and better make sure the remotes are included.</p></div><p>Not true. I canceled Dish (for FiOS) earlier this year and they did not ask for a single thing back.  The dish remains on the roof and we eventually threw their tuner away.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dish is even worse on leaving - you do n't own any of the equipment , if you quit in February , they demand you climb up on the icy roof to get their lnb to ship back , and they threaten to charge not only the early termination fee - but the full cost of the equipment if its " damaged " in any way - meaning if they find a scratch , they 'll hit your credit card- and better make sure the remotes are included.Not true .
I canceled Dish ( for FiOS ) earlier this year and they did not ask for a single thing back .
The dish remains on the roof and we eventually threw their tuner away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dish is even worse on leaving - you don't own any of the equipment, if you quit in February, they demand you climb up on the icy roof to get their lnb to ship back, and they threaten to charge not only the early termination fee - but the full cost of the equipment if its "damaged" in any way - meaning if they find a scratch, they'll hit your credit card-  and better make sure the remotes are included.Not true.
I canceled Dish (for FiOS) earlier this year and they did not ask for a single thing back.
The dish remains on the roof and we eventually threw their tuner away.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30538496</id>
	<title>Re:Washington "State"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259745960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Washington state is also located zero hours away from Vancouver, Washington. But anyways, wouldn't changing the state's name be so much better? And we'll never have to worry as something as stupid as a "SayWa" campaign again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Washington state is also located zero hours away from Vancouver , Washington .
But anyways , would n't changing the state 's name be so much better ?
And we 'll never have to worry as something as stupid as a " SayWa " campaign again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Washington state is also located zero hours away from Vancouver, Washington.
But anyways, wouldn't changing the state's name be so much better?
And we'll never have to worry as something as stupid as a "SayWa" campaign again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513790</id>
	<title>Why have either?</title>
	<author>Temujin\_12</author>
	<datestamp>1261419120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why pay cable/satellite companies for TV in general? I've found that I'm perfectly happy with getting all of my TV online through iTunes, Netflix, Hulu, and various network's websites. Just pay for a good internet connection (which generally doesn't have such ridiculous terms and conditions) and stream. You can now even stream sports games from the internet (for a nominal cost from season to season).</p><p>The payment structures and contracts involved with cable/satellite TV just seem ridiculous and antiquated now.</p><p>And no, I haven't had any problems with bandwidth limits (just get the right package).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why pay cable/satellite companies for TV in general ?
I 've found that I 'm perfectly happy with getting all of my TV online through iTunes , Netflix , Hulu , and various network 's websites .
Just pay for a good internet connection ( which generally does n't have such ridiculous terms and conditions ) and stream .
You can now even stream sports games from the internet ( for a nominal cost from season to season ) .The payment structures and contracts involved with cable/satellite TV just seem ridiculous and antiquated now.And no , I have n't had any problems with bandwidth limits ( just get the right package ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why pay cable/satellite companies for TV in general?
I've found that I'm perfectly happy with getting all of my TV online through iTunes, Netflix, Hulu, and various network's websites.
Just pay for a good internet connection (which generally doesn't have such ridiculous terms and conditions) and stream.
You can now even stream sports games from the internet (for a nominal cost from season to season).The payment structures and contracts involved with cable/satellite TV just seem ridiculous and antiquated now.And no, I haven't had any problems with bandwidth limits (just get the right package).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513880</id>
	<title>Re:I had a bad experience with DirecTV DVR</title>
	<author>JonStewartMill</author>
	<datestamp>1261419600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I assume this only applies for early termination.  I was with Dish Network for 3-4 years and when I cancelled, I asked what I should do with the equipment.  "Whatever you want, you bought it," was the reply.  That was 2-3 years ago, and the dish is still in my backyard; the receivers are in a closet somewhere.  Anybody know if it's worth anything?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I assume this only applies for early termination .
I was with Dish Network for 3-4 years and when I cancelled , I asked what I should do with the equipment .
" Whatever you want , you bought it , " was the reply .
That was 2-3 years ago , and the dish is still in my backyard ; the receivers are in a closet somewhere .
Anybody know if it 's worth anything ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I assume this only applies for early termination.
I was with Dish Network for 3-4 years and when I cancelled, I asked what I should do with the equipment.
"Whatever you want, you bought it," was the reply.
That was 2-3 years ago, and the dish is still in my backyard; the receivers are in a closet somewhere.
Anybody know if it's worth anything?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30515036</id>
	<title>Former employee here: lawsuit probably bogus</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261424580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to work at DirecTV's call center handling all types of calls (Mainbank, CIS, CRG, and Tier 1 Tech). The lawsuits are probably nothing more than sour grapes.</p><p>Regarding contract extensions, the service commitment was only extended if we were replacing customer-owned equipment with leased equipment. Replacing leased with leased did not affect the service commitment. Replacing customer-owned equipment under the Service Protection Plan did not affect the service commitment. The service commitment terms are disclosed when the replacement is ordered--it is in the standard scripting.</p><p>The equipment you get at retail comes pre-subsidized by DirecTV. That's why it costs about the same as leasing the equipment directly through DirecTV or through a DirecTV dealer. The lease terms are disclosed at the POS. Best Buy, at least, posts notices of the lease in the aisles where the equipment is located.</p><p>The ETF is part of the standard scripting too.</p><p>I don't know what kind of "account maintenance fees" the suit is talking about because DirecTV doesn't charge an account maintenance fee. DirecTV does charge an "additional receiver" fee (or "lease fee", but not both) for each receiver past the first one. The only other charges are for programming, or HD access or DVR fees if the customer is using applicable equipment--although some programming packages include the HD and/or DVR fees in the base package price.</p><p>Generally, DirecTV will not enforce an ETF if the customer moves, orders the DirecTV mover's connection, and the installation technician cannot find a line-of-sight. What frequently happens is that instead of using the mover's connection, customers set up a new account with a local dealer or even through a bundling partner like Qwest. The duplicate accounts don't get discovered until after the new account has already been activated. This means that potentially the customer may have 2 accounts under a service commitment.</p><p>I wouldn't characterize this as an attempt to defraud DirecTV, but it creates a sticky situation. DirecTV allows people to hold multiple accounts--generally DirecTV wants one account per service address. But once the second account is activated, it is impossible to distinguish between someone who wants and uses DirecTV at two addresses and someone who moved and is no longer using service at the old address. Usually when the customer calls to cancel the original account, it is after the second account has been successfully activated. If the original account has an ETF attached, things get hairy pretty quick.</p><p>I would not be surprised if the bulk of the "complaints" are people caught in that scenario; I don't have a lot of pity for them, because the Mover's Connection is advertised fairly heavily via bill inserts, e-mails, and TV commercials. With the degree of exposure that the Mover's Connection has, I'm not surprised DirecTV would consider these people to be borderline or actual fraud attempts. Not to mention that the number of complaints is (statistically) less than 1\% of the customer base in Washington (assuming 16M customers across 50 states distributed evenly).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to work at DirecTV 's call center handling all types of calls ( Mainbank , CIS , CRG , and Tier 1 Tech ) .
The lawsuits are probably nothing more than sour grapes.Regarding contract extensions , the service commitment was only extended if we were replacing customer-owned equipment with leased equipment .
Replacing leased with leased did not affect the service commitment .
Replacing customer-owned equipment under the Service Protection Plan did not affect the service commitment .
The service commitment terms are disclosed when the replacement is ordered--it is in the standard scripting.The equipment you get at retail comes pre-subsidized by DirecTV .
That 's why it costs about the same as leasing the equipment directly through DirecTV or through a DirecTV dealer .
The lease terms are disclosed at the POS .
Best Buy , at least , posts notices of the lease in the aisles where the equipment is located.The ETF is part of the standard scripting too.I do n't know what kind of " account maintenance fees " the suit is talking about because DirecTV does n't charge an account maintenance fee .
DirecTV does charge an " additional receiver " fee ( or " lease fee " , but not both ) for each receiver past the first one .
The only other charges are for programming , or HD access or DVR fees if the customer is using applicable equipment--although some programming packages include the HD and/or DVR fees in the base package price.Generally , DirecTV will not enforce an ETF if the customer moves , orders the DirecTV mover 's connection , and the installation technician can not find a line-of-sight .
What frequently happens is that instead of using the mover 's connection , customers set up a new account with a local dealer or even through a bundling partner like Qwest .
The duplicate accounts do n't get discovered until after the new account has already been activated .
This means that potentially the customer may have 2 accounts under a service commitment.I would n't characterize this as an attempt to defraud DirecTV , but it creates a sticky situation .
DirecTV allows people to hold multiple accounts--generally DirecTV wants one account per service address .
But once the second account is activated , it is impossible to distinguish between someone who wants and uses DirecTV at two addresses and someone who moved and is no longer using service at the old address .
Usually when the customer calls to cancel the original account , it is after the second account has been successfully activated .
If the original account has an ETF attached , things get hairy pretty quick.I would not be surprised if the bulk of the " complaints " are people caught in that scenario ; I do n't have a lot of pity for them , because the Mover 's Connection is advertised fairly heavily via bill inserts , e-mails , and TV commercials .
With the degree of exposure that the Mover 's Connection has , I 'm not surprised DirecTV would consider these people to be borderline or actual fraud attempts .
Not to mention that the number of complaints is ( statistically ) less than 1 \ % of the customer base in Washington ( assuming 16M customers across 50 states distributed evenly ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to work at DirecTV's call center handling all types of calls (Mainbank, CIS, CRG, and Tier 1 Tech).
The lawsuits are probably nothing more than sour grapes.Regarding contract extensions, the service commitment was only extended if we were replacing customer-owned equipment with leased equipment.
Replacing leased with leased did not affect the service commitment.
Replacing customer-owned equipment under the Service Protection Plan did not affect the service commitment.
The service commitment terms are disclosed when the replacement is ordered--it is in the standard scripting.The equipment you get at retail comes pre-subsidized by DirecTV.
That's why it costs about the same as leasing the equipment directly through DirecTV or through a DirecTV dealer.
The lease terms are disclosed at the POS.
Best Buy, at least, posts notices of the lease in the aisles where the equipment is located.The ETF is part of the standard scripting too.I don't know what kind of "account maintenance fees" the suit is talking about because DirecTV doesn't charge an account maintenance fee.
DirecTV does charge an "additional receiver" fee (or "lease fee", but not both) for each receiver past the first one.
The only other charges are for programming, or HD access or DVR fees if the customer is using applicable equipment--although some programming packages include the HD and/or DVR fees in the base package price.Generally, DirecTV will not enforce an ETF if the customer moves, orders the DirecTV mover's connection, and the installation technician cannot find a line-of-sight.
What frequently happens is that instead of using the mover's connection, customers set up a new account with a local dealer or even through a bundling partner like Qwest.
The duplicate accounts don't get discovered until after the new account has already been activated.
This means that potentially the customer may have 2 accounts under a service commitment.I wouldn't characterize this as an attempt to defraud DirecTV, but it creates a sticky situation.
DirecTV allows people to hold multiple accounts--generally DirecTV wants one account per service address.
But once the second account is activated, it is impossible to distinguish between someone who wants and uses DirecTV at two addresses and someone who moved and is no longer using service at the old address.
Usually when the customer calls to cancel the original account, it is after the second account has been successfully activated.
If the original account has an ETF attached, things get hairy pretty quick.I would not be surprised if the bulk of the "complaints" are people caught in that scenario; I don't have a lot of pity for them, because the Mover's Connection is advertised fairly heavily via bill inserts, e-mails, and TV commercials.
With the degree of exposure that the Mover's Connection has, I'm not surprised DirecTV would consider these people to be borderline or actual fraud attempts.
Not to mention that the number of complaints is (statistically) less than 1\% of the customer base in Washington (assuming 16M customers across 50 states distributed evenly).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513462</id>
	<title>Re:Buying boxes</title>
	<author>turb</author>
	<datestamp>1261417740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We've had equally "interesting" experiences<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</p><p>1) We upgraded one of our boxes to the DirecTV DVR<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... cost us a few hundred dollars as I recall... only to find out that unlike our own receiver(s) this upgrade wasn't owned by us but leased with a monthly charge for the lease no less. So I called them up indicating I wanted my old hardware back and to come and get the new box. They never returned the old hardware claiming, "well we're not sure where that went, would you like a movie channel free for a month?"</p><p>Bastards!</p><p>Time passes....</p><p>2) Our bill suddenly shows a "2nd" leased receiver charge...  Do we have a 2nd receiver that is leased? No. As I indicated before I always bought our own hardware with the exception of the "upgrade" fiasco. Never mind this other supposedly leased receiver isn't even hooked up... took them the better part of an hour to finally get it. Granted I probably will be hooking that one back up again (and HR10-250) since the MPEG 4 tivo receiver STILL isn't out yet and their HD DVR really really sucks.</p><p>And hey while I'm bending your ear... the other thing that makes me see red is wrt their NFL sunday ticket. So I like football and the team I follow isn't always on the local channels since we're in a different market. Now everybody everywhere is shooting NFL football in HD. You think DirecTV Sunday Ticket would show you the game in HD? HA! Fork over another $99 on top of the already astronomical NFL Sunday Ticket price. Now I could understand the extra price back the "good ol days" before the switch over but we're well past that.</p><p>Pretty sad state of affairs....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've had equally " interesting " experiences ....1 ) We upgraded one of our boxes to the DirecTV DVR ... cost us a few hundred dollars as I recall... only to find out that unlike our own receiver ( s ) this upgrade was n't owned by us but leased with a monthly charge for the lease no less .
So I called them up indicating I wanted my old hardware back and to come and get the new box .
They never returned the old hardware claiming , " well we 're not sure where that went , would you like a movie channel free for a month ?
" Bastards ! Time passes....2 ) Our bill suddenly shows a " 2nd " leased receiver charge... Do we have a 2nd receiver that is leased ?
No. As I indicated before I always bought our own hardware with the exception of the " upgrade " fiasco .
Never mind this other supposedly leased receiver is n't even hooked up... took them the better part of an hour to finally get it .
Granted I probably will be hooking that one back up again ( and HR10-250 ) since the MPEG 4 tivo receiver STILL is n't out yet and their HD DVR really really sucks.And hey while I 'm bending your ear... the other thing that makes me see red is wrt their NFL sunday ticket .
So I like football and the team I follow is n't always on the local channels since we 're in a different market .
Now everybody everywhere is shooting NFL football in HD .
You think DirecTV Sunday Ticket would show you the game in HD ?
HA ! Fork over another $ 99 on top of the already astronomical NFL Sunday Ticket price .
Now I could understand the extra price back the " good ol days " before the switch over but we 're well past that.Pretty sad state of affairs... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've had equally "interesting" experiences ....1) We upgraded one of our boxes to the DirecTV DVR ... cost us a few hundred dollars as I recall... only to find out that unlike our own receiver(s) this upgrade wasn't owned by us but leased with a monthly charge for the lease no less.
So I called them up indicating I wanted my old hardware back and to come and get the new box.
They never returned the old hardware claiming, "well we're not sure where that went, would you like a movie channel free for a month?
"Bastards!Time passes....2) Our bill suddenly shows a "2nd" leased receiver charge...  Do we have a 2nd receiver that is leased?
No. As I indicated before I always bought our own hardware with the exception of the "upgrade" fiasco.
Never mind this other supposedly leased receiver isn't even hooked up... took them the better part of an hour to finally get it.
Granted I probably will be hooking that one back up again (and HR10-250) since the MPEG 4 tivo receiver STILL isn't out yet and their HD DVR really really sucks.And hey while I'm bending your ear... the other thing that makes me see red is wrt their NFL sunday ticket.
So I like football and the team I follow isn't always on the local channels since we're in a different market.
Now everybody everywhere is shooting NFL football in HD.
You think DirecTV Sunday Ticket would show you the game in HD?
HA! Fork over another $99 on top of the already astronomical NFL Sunday Ticket price.
Now I could understand the extra price back the "good ol days" before the switch over but we're well past that.Pretty sad state of affairs....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513624</id>
	<title>Re:Washington "State"</title>
	<author>RingDev</author>
	<datestamp>1261418400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As someone who grew up in a small town called Oregon (pronounced Or-gon), I can fully appreciate people who specify that they are speaking about a State instead of a city. At least in Oregon we can usually pick out people talking about the state as it is usually referred to as "Orgin".</p><p>-Rick</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who grew up in a small town called Oregon ( pronounced Or-gon ) , I can fully appreciate people who specify that they are speaking about a State instead of a city .
At least in Oregon we can usually pick out people talking about the state as it is usually referred to as " Orgin " .-Rick</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who grew up in a small town called Oregon (pronounced Or-gon), I can fully appreciate people who specify that they are speaking about a State instead of a city.
At least in Oregon we can usually pick out people talking about the state as it is usually referred to as "Orgin".-Rick</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30515094</id>
	<title>Re:Buying boxes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261424820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sueing this company is meaningless. They will just lay off people, pay their people less, etc... You have to THROW the corporate officers, directors into JAIL  for fraud, rico law violations, etc, and then publicize it. Other companies will heed this warning quite clear as to not to screw with people in Washington State.<br>I don't understand why prosecutors don't go with this option. Any juyy will be elated to convcit these scum...<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sueing this company is meaningless .
They will just lay off people , pay their people less , etc... You have to THROW the corporate officers , directors into JAIL for fraud , rico law violations , etc , and then publicize it .
Other companies will heed this warning quite clear as to not to screw with people in Washington State.I do n't understand why prosecutors do n't go with this option .
Any juyy will be elated to convcit these scum.. .  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sueing this company is meaningless.
They will just lay off people, pay their people less, etc... You have to THROW the corporate officers, directors into JAIL  for fraud, rico law violations, etc, and then publicize it.
Other companies will heed this warning quite clear as to not to screw with people in Washington State.I don't understand why prosecutors don't go with this option.
Any juyy will be elated to convcit these scum...
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30527532</id>
	<title>Re:Why have either?</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1261514280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Two letters: "HD". Try getting a lot of consistent HD content online (esp. if you don't have super-fast broadband) and you'll see. Sure Netflix and Amazon have it, but even they only have it for a very limited number of select titles. Hulu and most network websites don't have it at all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Two letters : " HD " .
Try getting a lot of consistent HD content online ( esp .
if you do n't have super-fast broadband ) and you 'll see .
Sure Netflix and Amazon have it , but even they only have it for a very limited number of select titles .
Hulu and most network websites do n't have it at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Two letters: "HD".
Try getting a lot of consistent HD content online (esp.
if you don't have super-fast broadband) and you'll see.
Sure Netflix and Amazon have it, but even they only have it for a very limited number of select titles.
Hulu and most network websites don't have it at all.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513548</id>
	<title>Fsck DirecTV</title>
	<author>pyite69</author>
	<datestamp>1261418100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Same thing happened to me, I bought a DVR after I had been a customer for many years.  A year after I bought the DVR I switched to Dish but DirecTV wanted to bill me for another year of service.  I still get calls about it and that was like 4 years ago.</p><p>These guys are just weaselly in general.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same thing happened to me , I bought a DVR after I had been a customer for many years .
A year after I bought the DVR I switched to Dish but DirecTV wanted to bill me for another year of service .
I still get calls about it and that was like 4 years ago.These guys are just weaselly in general .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same thing happened to me, I bought a DVR after I had been a customer for many years.
A year after I bought the DVR I switched to Dish but DirecTV wanted to bill me for another year of service.
I still get calls about it and that was like 4 years ago.These guys are just weaselly in general.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30512920</id>
	<title>This is no surprise</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261415400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Direct TV is broadcasted at America by the Italian moon-base to corrupt our youth and steal our manhood and mock our God. But the Italians are so sinister and corrupt and venal and petty and generally evil that they can't even manage their italo-islamocommunist brainwashing operation competently, because they are covered in the stinking filth of greed and corruption. We Americans are lucky that our most dangerous foes are so often undone by their own evil natures.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Direct TV is broadcasted at America by the Italian moon-base to corrupt our youth and steal our manhood and mock our God .
But the Italians are so sinister and corrupt and venal and petty and generally evil that they ca n't even manage their italo-islamocommunist brainwashing operation competently , because they are covered in the stinking filth of greed and corruption .
We Americans are lucky that our most dangerous foes are so often undone by their own evil natures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Direct TV is broadcasted at America by the Italian moon-base to corrupt our youth and steal our manhood and mock our God.
But the Italians are so sinister and corrupt and venal and petty and generally evil that they can't even manage their italo-islamocommunist brainwashing operation competently, because they are covered in the stinking filth of greed and corruption.
We Americans are lucky that our most dangerous foes are so often undone by their own evil natures.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30512966</id>
	<title>Corporate behavior</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261415580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The charges include failure to disclose important contract information (such as early termination fees, 'service maintenance' fees, and rebate terms), misrepresentation, 'negative option' billing, 'unconscionable enforcement of contract to which there has been no mutual consent,' failure to honor promotional offers, and 'imposing charges when no service has been provided.'</p> </div><p>So in other words: it acted like a corporation.</p><p>Is anyone ever surprised? Corporations exist to make as much money as possible with as little output as possible. Period.</p><p>Yes, there may be a few seemingly "enlightened" corporations like everybody's beloved Google. But at the end of the day, every corporation will do whatever it can to get as much dough as it can. Google just either doesn't get caught at their underhanded practices, or realized that getting caught may be bad for business and thus abstains. It is absolutely no surprise that many corporations are not as enlightened.</p><p>The real missing story here is just how commonplace this sort of thing really is.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The charges include failure to disclose important contract information ( such as early termination fees , 'service maintenance ' fees , and rebate terms ) , misrepresentation , 'negative option ' billing , 'unconscionable enforcement of contract to which there has been no mutual consent, ' failure to honor promotional offers , and 'imposing charges when no service has been provided .
' So in other words : it acted like a corporation.Is anyone ever surprised ?
Corporations exist to make as much money as possible with as little output as possible .
Period.Yes , there may be a few seemingly " enlightened " corporations like everybody 's beloved Google .
But at the end of the day , every corporation will do whatever it can to get as much dough as it can .
Google just either does n't get caught at their underhanded practices , or realized that getting caught may be bad for business and thus abstains .
It is absolutely no surprise that many corporations are not as enlightened.The real missing story here is just how commonplace this sort of thing really is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The charges include failure to disclose important contract information (such as early termination fees, 'service maintenance' fees, and rebate terms), misrepresentation, 'negative option' billing, 'unconscionable enforcement of contract to which there has been no mutual consent,' failure to honor promotional offers, and 'imposing charges when no service has been provided.
' So in other words: it acted like a corporation.Is anyone ever surprised?
Corporations exist to make as much money as possible with as little output as possible.
Period.Yes, there may be a few seemingly "enlightened" corporations like everybody's beloved Google.
But at the end of the day, every corporation will do whatever it can to get as much dough as it can.
Google just either doesn't get caught at their underhanded practices, or realized that getting caught may be bad for business and thus abstains.
It is absolutely no surprise that many corporations are not as enlightened.The real missing story here is just how commonplace this sort of thing really is.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30518744</id>
	<title>Re:Buying boxes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261402500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I never bought their DVR because logic dictates that it's not going to work if you ever cancel the service.</p></div><p>While it's true that logic would dictate that you cannot use the DVR with other services, there are some rules that DirecTV imposes that are not logical.</p><p>It would be logical to assume that you can re-sell the box on eBay, craigslist, etc to someone who is signing up for the service or wants to activate another box on their account. If you pay an initial cost to obtain the box, you should be able to recoup some of that money if you can find someone to transfer ownership to. When I first started using DirecTV, I had a friend that was moving to a place where he couldn't get satellite. It seemed sensible that I should be able to buy the DVR that he no longer needed to add to my roommate's existing DirecTV account.</p><p>It would also be logical to assume that you can take a box on one account to another account. As mentioned above, the DirecTV bill was in the name of one of my roommates. So when I recently moved, it seemed perfectly reasonable that I could take my DVR that I had already bought and bring it to my new location to use with a new DirecTV account that I ordered.</p><p>In neither case was I allowed to do what seemed logical. So you might want to leave logic out of any discussion over DirecTV hardware...it's somewhat irrelevant.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I never bought their DVR because logic dictates that it 's not going to work if you ever cancel the service.While it 's true that logic would dictate that you can not use the DVR with other services , there are some rules that DirecTV imposes that are not logical.It would be logical to assume that you can re-sell the box on eBay , craigslist , etc to someone who is signing up for the service or wants to activate another box on their account .
If you pay an initial cost to obtain the box , you should be able to recoup some of that money if you can find someone to transfer ownership to .
When I first started using DirecTV , I had a friend that was moving to a place where he could n't get satellite .
It seemed sensible that I should be able to buy the DVR that he no longer needed to add to my roommate 's existing DirecTV account.It would also be logical to assume that you can take a box on one account to another account .
As mentioned above , the DirecTV bill was in the name of one of my roommates .
So when I recently moved , it seemed perfectly reasonable that I could take my DVR that I had already bought and bring it to my new location to use with a new DirecTV account that I ordered.In neither case was I allowed to do what seemed logical .
So you might want to leave logic out of any discussion over DirecTV hardware...it 's somewhat irrelevant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never bought their DVR because logic dictates that it's not going to work if you ever cancel the service.While it's true that logic would dictate that you cannot use the DVR with other services, there are some rules that DirecTV imposes that are not logical.It would be logical to assume that you can re-sell the box on eBay, craigslist, etc to someone who is signing up for the service or wants to activate another box on their account.
If you pay an initial cost to obtain the box, you should be able to recoup some of that money if you can find someone to transfer ownership to.
When I first started using DirecTV, I had a friend that was moving to a place where he couldn't get satellite.
It seemed sensible that I should be able to buy the DVR that he no longer needed to add to my roommate's existing DirecTV account.It would also be logical to assume that you can take a box on one account to another account.
As mentioned above, the DirecTV bill was in the name of one of my roommates.
So when I recently moved, it seemed perfectly reasonable that I could take my DVR that I had already bought and bring it to my new location to use with a new DirecTV account that I ordered.In neither case was I allowed to do what seemed logical.
So you might want to leave logic out of any discussion over DirecTV hardware...it's somewhat irrelevant.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30514228</id>
	<title>Re:Washington "State"</title>
	<author>JWSmythe</author>
	<datestamp>1261421160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&nbsp; I've worked all over, including Washington DC, and Washington (state for those not paying attention).  Trips were scheduled close enough, where I may be in each one within a week of the other trip.  I've always been clear to say "Washington" to mean the state" and "Washington DC" to mean the area with the White House in it.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)  Even still, people would get confused.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; "I'm in Washington"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; "oh, so you're on the East coast now?"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; "No, like just outside of Seattle."<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; "oh."</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; I gave up on telling people city names.  I frequently worked in cities that people wouldn't recognize unless they were from the area. "I'm in Tukwila" has little meaning to someone who doesn't know the area.  Then again, when I'd say it to someone who does know the area, they'd ask me if I'd been to some little restaurant, and I'd have to explain that I only know my way from the airport, to the hotel, and to the datacenter.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)  Some places, like Sterling (Virginia) had more of a chance of making people think I was close to their hometown.  There are 27 cities named Sterling in the US.  Sometimes I was thankful to be in New York, Miami, or Los Angeles.  People tend not to get confused, but sometimes I'd slip up and say "LA" for "Los Angeles", and they'd ask how far was I from New Orleans.  Ummm.   I've been to New Orleans a few times.  Different places, sorry.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; So, get used to it.  People will get confused.  There are plenty of places like that.  I do better by just saying the closest metro area, and leaving it at that.  Most people recognize the major metro area names.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; What I really hate is when I say I lived somewhere (like Los Angeles), and they ask me if I knew someone in particular.  That person would usually be in San Francisco or San Diego.  {sigh}  And no, I didn't meet any major actors. I swore I saw Steven Spielberg driving a beat up 1985 Honda once, but I'm fairly confident it wasn't him.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>  I 've worked all over , including Washington DC , and Washington ( state for those not paying attention ) .
Trips were scheduled close enough , where I may be in each one within a week of the other trip .
I 've always been clear to say " Washington " to mean the state " and " Washington DC " to mean the area with the White House in it .
: ) Even still , people would get confused .
    " I 'm in Washington "     " oh , so you 're on the East coast now ?
"     " No , like just outside of Seattle .
"     " oh .
"     I gave up on telling people city names .
I frequently worked in cities that people would n't recognize unless they were from the area .
" I 'm in Tukwila " has little meaning to someone who does n't know the area .
Then again , when I 'd say it to someone who does know the area , they 'd ask me if I 'd been to some little restaurant , and I 'd have to explain that I only know my way from the airport , to the hotel , and to the datacenter .
: ) Some places , like Sterling ( Virginia ) had more of a chance of making people think I was close to their hometown .
There are 27 cities named Sterling in the US .
Sometimes I was thankful to be in New York , Miami , or Los Angeles .
People tend not to get confused , but sometimes I 'd slip up and say " LA " for " Los Angeles " , and they 'd ask how far was I from New Orleans .
Ummm. I 've been to New Orleans a few times .
Different places , sorry .
    So , get used to it .
People will get confused .
There are plenty of places like that .
I do better by just saying the closest metro area , and leaving it at that .
Most people recognize the major metro area names .
    What I really hate is when I say I lived somewhere ( like Los Angeles ) , and they ask me if I knew someone in particular .
That person would usually be in San Francisco or San Diego .
{ sigh } And no , I did n't meet any major actors .
I swore I saw Steven Spielberg driving a beat up 1985 Honda once , but I 'm fairly confident it was n't him .
: )</tokentext>
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  I've worked all over, including Washington DC, and Washington (state for those not paying attention).
Trips were scheduled close enough, where I may be in each one within a week of the other trip.
I've always been clear to say "Washington" to mean the state" and "Washington DC" to mean the area with the White House in it.
:)  Even still, people would get confused.
    "I'm in Washington"
    "oh, so you're on the East coast now?
"
    "No, like just outside of Seattle.
"
    "oh.
"
    I gave up on telling people city names.
I frequently worked in cities that people wouldn't recognize unless they were from the area.
"I'm in Tukwila" has little meaning to someone who doesn't know the area.
Then again, when I'd say it to someone who does know the area, they'd ask me if I'd been to some little restaurant, and I'd have to explain that I only know my way from the airport, to the hotel, and to the datacenter.
:)  Some places, like Sterling (Virginia) had more of a chance of making people think I was close to their hometown.
There are 27 cities named Sterling in the US.
Sometimes I was thankful to be in New York, Miami, or Los Angeles.
People tend not to get confused, but sometimes I'd slip up and say "LA" for "Los Angeles", and they'd ask how far was I from New Orleans.
Ummm.   I've been to New Orleans a few times.
Different places, sorry.
    So, get used to it.
People will get confused.
There are plenty of places like that.
I do better by just saying the closest metro area, and leaving it at that.
Most people recognize the major metro area names.
    What I really hate is when I say I lived somewhere (like Los Angeles), and they ask me if I knew someone in particular.
That person would usually be in San Francisco or San Diego.
{sigh}  And no, I didn't meet any major actors.
I swore I saw Steven Spielberg driving a beat up 1985 Honda once, but I'm fairly confident it wasn't him.
:)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513252</id>
	<title>the 2nd happiest day of a directv customer</title>
	<author>lophophore</author>
	<datestamp>1261416720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having recently experienced the 2nd happiest day of a directv consumer, I can say I hate those bastards.</p><p>Their contract is written such that they can change the any of the terms (including channel lineup) without notice, and you are stuck.  Never again will I buy their service.</p><p>Sure, I have no love for Comcast, and I think their service is somewhat more expensive, but they are reasonably up-front about the costs, and you can cancel at any time.</p><p>I wish great success for the State of Washington's lawsuit, and not only for the good of the customers in that state, but also hoping there are some large punitive damages awarded, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having recently experienced the 2nd happiest day of a directv consumer , I can say I hate those bastards.Their contract is written such that they can change the any of the terms ( including channel lineup ) without notice , and you are stuck .
Never again will I buy their service.Sure , I have no love for Comcast , and I think their service is somewhat more expensive , but they are reasonably up-front about the costs , and you can cancel at any time.I wish great success for the State of Washington 's lawsuit , and not only for the good of the customers in that state , but also hoping there are some large punitive damages awarded , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having recently experienced the 2nd happiest day of a directv consumer, I can say I hate those bastards.Their contract is written such that they can change the any of the terms (including channel lineup) without notice, and you are stuck.
Never again will I buy their service.Sure, I have no love for Comcast, and I think their service is somewhat more expensive, but they are reasonably up-front about the costs, and you can cancel at any time.I wish great success for the State of Washington's lawsuit, and not only for the good of the customers in that state, but also hoping there are some large punitive damages awarded, too.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30517128</id>
	<title>My DirectTV Nightmare</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261391460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Back in the years of 1999 and 2000 I had great service with DirectTV. It ended, and then I restarted service again in 2004.  During this time I had moved, and got a new place that had lots of trees on the property.   The owner of the home said no way I was touching his trees.  (understandable) So I called the Satellite company and told them I had to disconnect and why.  They still charged me for this because my two year contract was not over, I had like six or so months to go.  They never sent anyone out to try to set their service up. Even though the woman mentioned it on the phone, and I was not clearly offered this. So month one I got a final bill for $152.00, and I sent them a check for $152.00.  I called them because they asked for money for the receivers . They said they put in a order to send me two boxes to put them in, and I needed only to put them in the boxes and mail them back.   So I waited, and waited, no boxes.  The second month I got another bill, and this one was for $80.00 for service, and $154.00 for the receivers.   I called them up, and asked them what these charges were for? Plus that I had not received the boxes for the receivers as of yet.  The $80.00 they claimed was the last of what I owed them for service and penalties.  Plus I had to pay for the receivers.  I told them, they did not send me the boxes for the receivers.  Plus last months bill said final on it. They said they mailed them out, and I should get them at any time.  The money asked for on this months bill was the final amount due.<br> <br>
   Before the end of that month, I received another bill.  This one was for around $92.00.  I called them again, and they claimed it was for service.  I then told them that last month I paid, and that lady said this was the end of my payments I owned them.  So I told them to check their records, and again told them I was not paying for receivers because they told me I could mail them back and I was to wait on the boxes.  Then I told her they never came.  She claimed that she put another shipment in for the boxes to be shipped out to me.  I also had to dispute through another area of their company in order to find out what the close to $92.00 was for.  So I am on hold for about forty five minutes for this meanwhile they keep putting me on hold and transferring me from one department to the next.   The next one to talk too was a guy, and he said that there had been a mistake in my charges, and he calculates I own them just $82.00 plus the receivers, or I have to pay for them.  I told him the other lady said she put in a order to ship boxes to me so I could send the receivers back to them.  He said fine, end of phone call.<br> <br>Month three arrives, and still no boxes. So... I asked the mail carrier if they ever delivered/shipped empty boxes to residents from the satellite company?  They said no.  Since they have been delivering mail they never delivered empty boxes from them. I called, and asked each of the other companies for packing and shipping they said no also.  TA DA! another bill arrives, and this one is for $154.00. The bill claims it's for services.   I did not call them this time.  I sent them a letter.   I told them to get their company in order.  I am not sending them anymore money, for some half baked idea they think I owe it.  They have to prove I own it.  The receivers are put up for safe keeping until the day their company finds out who keeps stealing those boxes before they arrive to the Postal Service, and  or the shipping companies.<br> <br>
 A few years have passed, and I never got another Bill from them, and I still have their receivers.  I don't think they ever intended to ship those boxes to me.  I just think it is a ploy on their part.   I don't think they want them back they would rather you pay for them, and any way they can milk you out of the money, they will.      Of note also in 1999 and 2000 when I had service with them, they were great.  Even their phone support was great.  But after that their support service, and billing department went down hi</htmltext>
<tokenext>Back in the years of 1999 and 2000 I had great service with DirectTV .
It ended , and then I restarted service again in 2004 .
During this time I had moved , and got a new place that had lots of trees on the property .
The owner of the home said no way I was touching his trees .
( understandable ) So I called the Satellite company and told them I had to disconnect and why .
They still charged me for this because my two year contract was not over , I had like six or so months to go .
They never sent anyone out to try to set their service up .
Even though the woman mentioned it on the phone , and I was not clearly offered this .
So month one I got a final bill for $ 152.00 , and I sent them a check for $ 152.00 .
I called them because they asked for money for the receivers .
They said they put in a order to send me two boxes to put them in , and I needed only to put them in the boxes and mail them back .
So I waited , and waited , no boxes .
The second month I got another bill , and this one was for $ 80.00 for service , and $ 154.00 for the receivers .
I called them up , and asked them what these charges were for ?
Plus that I had not received the boxes for the receivers as of yet .
The $ 80.00 they claimed was the last of what I owed them for service and penalties .
Plus I had to pay for the receivers .
I told them , they did not send me the boxes for the receivers .
Plus last months bill said final on it .
They said they mailed them out , and I should get them at any time .
The money asked for on this months bill was the final amount due .
Before the end of that month , I received another bill .
This one was for around $ 92.00 .
I called them again , and they claimed it was for service .
I then told them that last month I paid , and that lady said this was the end of my payments I owned them .
So I told them to check their records , and again told them I was not paying for receivers because they told me I could mail them back and I was to wait on the boxes .
Then I told her they never came .
She claimed that she put another shipment in for the boxes to be shipped out to me .
I also had to dispute through another area of their company in order to find out what the close to $ 92.00 was for .
So I am on hold for about forty five minutes for this meanwhile they keep putting me on hold and transferring me from one department to the next .
The next one to talk too was a guy , and he said that there had been a mistake in my charges , and he calculates I own them just $ 82.00 plus the receivers , or I have to pay for them .
I told him the other lady said she put in a order to ship boxes to me so I could send the receivers back to them .
He said fine , end of phone call .
Month three arrives , and still no boxes .
So... I asked the mail carrier if they ever delivered/shipped empty boxes to residents from the satellite company ?
They said no .
Since they have been delivering mail they never delivered empty boxes from them .
I called , and asked each of the other companies for packing and shipping they said no also .
TA DA !
another bill arrives , and this one is for $ 154.00 .
The bill claims it 's for services .
I did not call them this time .
I sent them a letter .
I told them to get their company in order .
I am not sending them anymore money , for some half baked idea they think I owe it .
They have to prove I own it .
The receivers are put up for safe keeping until the day their company finds out who keeps stealing those boxes before they arrive to the Postal Service , and or the shipping companies .
A few years have passed , and I never got another Bill from them , and I still have their receivers .
I do n't think they ever intended to ship those boxes to me .
I just think it is a ploy on their part .
I do n't think they want them back they would rather you pay for them , and any way they can milk you out of the money , they will .
Of note also in 1999 and 2000 when I had service with them , they were great .
Even their phone support was great .
But after that their support service , and billing department went down hi</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back in the years of 1999 and 2000 I had great service with DirectTV.
It ended, and then I restarted service again in 2004.
During this time I had moved, and got a new place that had lots of trees on the property.
The owner of the home said no way I was touching his trees.
(understandable) So I called the Satellite company and told them I had to disconnect and why.
They still charged me for this because my two year contract was not over, I had like six or so months to go.
They never sent anyone out to try to set their service up.
Even though the woman mentioned it on the phone, and I was not clearly offered this.
So month one I got a final bill for $152.00, and I sent them a check for $152.00.
I called them because they asked for money for the receivers .
They said they put in a order to send me two boxes to put them in, and I needed only to put them in the boxes and mail them back.
So I waited, and waited, no boxes.
The second month I got another bill, and this one was for $80.00 for service, and $154.00 for the receivers.
I called them up, and asked them what these charges were for?
Plus that I had not received the boxes for the receivers as of yet.
The $80.00 they claimed was the last of what I owed them for service and penalties.
Plus I had to pay for the receivers.
I told them, they did not send me the boxes for the receivers.
Plus last months bill said final on it.
They said they mailed them out, and I should get them at any time.
The money asked for on this months bill was the final amount due.
Before the end of that month, I received another bill.
This one was for around $92.00.
I called them again, and they claimed it was for service.
I then told them that last month I paid, and that lady said this was the end of my payments I owned them.
So I told them to check their records, and again told them I was not paying for receivers because they told me I could mail them back and I was to wait on the boxes.
Then I told her they never came.
She claimed that she put another shipment in for the boxes to be shipped out to me.
I also had to dispute through another area of their company in order to find out what the close to $92.00 was for.
So I am on hold for about forty five minutes for this meanwhile they keep putting me on hold and transferring me from one department to the next.
The next one to talk too was a guy, and he said that there had been a mistake in my charges, and he calculates I own them just $82.00 plus the receivers, or I have to pay for them.
I told him the other lady said she put in a order to ship boxes to me so I could send the receivers back to them.
He said fine, end of phone call.
Month three arrives, and still no boxes.
So... I asked the mail carrier if they ever delivered/shipped empty boxes to residents from the satellite company?
They said no.
Since they have been delivering mail they never delivered empty boxes from them.
I called, and asked each of the other companies for packing and shipping they said no also.
TA DA!
another bill arrives, and this one is for $154.00.
The bill claims it's for services.
I did not call them this time.
I sent them a letter.
I told them to get their company in order.
I am not sending them anymore money, for some half baked idea they think I owe it.
They have to prove I own it.
The receivers are put up for safe keeping until the day their company finds out who keeps stealing those boxes before they arrive to the Postal Service, and  or the shipping companies.
A few years have passed, and I never got another Bill from them, and I still have their receivers.
I don't think they ever intended to ship those boxes to me.
I just think it is a ploy on their part.
I don't think they want them back they would rather you pay for them, and any way they can milk you out of the money, they will.
Of note also in 1999 and 2000 when I had service with them, they were great.
Even their phone support was great.
But after that their support service, and billing department went down hi</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30514764</id>
	<title>I really hope my state does the same</title>
	<author>jayme0227</author>
	<datestamp>1261423440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm really looking forward to the state of Wisconsin establishing new programs with the temporary funds that they receive from DirecTV. Then I'm looking forward to my taxes going up because, since the programs are already established, they can't be taken away and they need to be paid for somehow. I do love how receiving "free" money will cost me more money down the road. I loooove paying taxes.</p><p>That said, I doubt that this will do any real good. As in the Intel/AMD case, DirecTV has already benefitted so much from their "deceptive practices" that I doubt there will be a penalty large enough to stop them, or prevent others, from doing something similar down the line.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm really looking forward to the state of Wisconsin establishing new programs with the temporary funds that they receive from DirecTV .
Then I 'm looking forward to my taxes going up because , since the programs are already established , they ca n't be taken away and they need to be paid for somehow .
I do love how receiving " free " money will cost me more money down the road .
I loooove paying taxes.That said , I doubt that this will do any real good .
As in the Intel/AMD case , DirecTV has already benefitted so much from their " deceptive practices " that I doubt there will be a penalty large enough to stop them , or prevent others , from doing something similar down the line .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm really looking forward to the state of Wisconsin establishing new programs with the temporary funds that they receive from DirecTV.
Then I'm looking forward to my taxes going up because, since the programs are already established, they can't be taken away and they need to be paid for somehow.
I do love how receiving "free" money will cost me more money down the road.
I loooove paying taxes.That said, I doubt that this will do any real good.
As in the Intel/AMD case, DirecTV has already benefitted so much from their "deceptive practices" that I doubt there will be a penalty large enough to stop them, or prevent others, from doing something similar down the line.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30517792</id>
	<title>Isn't Direct TV in other states?</title>
	<author>uassholes</author>
	<datestamp>1261395240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or, does it somehow hurt Microsoft?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or , does it somehow hurt Microsoft ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or, does it somehow hurt Microsoft?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30514740</id>
	<title>Re:I had a bad experience with DirecTV DVR</title>
	<author>fiestyquaker</author>
	<datestamp>1261423260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My main complaint about DirecTV is that when I got my first DVR, it had Tivo.  When that DVRbroke, DirecTV very kindly replaced it with (as previously mentioned) their crappy free version.  I actually sent a letter to both Tivo and DirecTV saying, "You are both good at one thing and I love both of you; please stop fighting."  Tivo sent a nice response (blaming DirecTV, of course). DirecTV, crickets.<br> <br>

I'm still with DirecTV, though.  Sunday Ticket whore, doncha know?</htmltext>
<tokenext>My main complaint about DirecTV is that when I got my first DVR , it had Tivo .
When that DVRbroke , DirecTV very kindly replaced it with ( as previously mentioned ) their crappy free version .
I actually sent a letter to both Tivo and DirecTV saying , " You are both good at one thing and I love both of you ; please stop fighting .
" Tivo sent a nice response ( blaming DirecTV , of course ) .
DirecTV , crickets .
I 'm still with DirecTV , though .
Sunday Ticket whore , doncha know ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My main complaint about DirecTV is that when I got my first DVR, it had Tivo.
When that DVRbroke, DirecTV very kindly replaced it with (as previously mentioned) their crappy free version.
I actually sent a letter to both Tivo and DirecTV saying, "You are both good at one thing and I love both of you; please stop fighting.
"  Tivo sent a nice response (blaming DirecTV, of course).
DirecTV, crickets.
I'm still with DirecTV, though.
Sunday Ticket whore, doncha know?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30512938</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30512896</id>
	<title>Buying boxes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261415340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I particularly love the part about buying DirecTV from a Best Buy only to find out later that you don't really it.</p><p>Oh, and that you can't find a complete document outlining your rights and responsibilities in one place.</p><p>Even my credit card company does that...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I particularly love the part about buying DirecTV from a Best Buy only to find out later that you do n't really it.Oh , and that you ca n't find a complete document outlining your rights and responsibilities in one place.Even my credit card company does that.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I particularly love the part about buying DirecTV from a Best Buy only to find out later that you don't really it.Oh, and that you can't find a complete document outlining your rights and responsibilities in one place.Even my credit card company does that...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30517604</id>
	<title>Re:Buying boxes</title>
	<author>Revek</author>
	<datestamp>1261393980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As an employee of a small cable system I'm getting a out of these.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As an employee of a small cable system I 'm getting a out of these .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an employee of a small cable system I'm getting a out of these.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30512896</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513112</id>
	<title>Re:Buying boxes</title>
	<author>andyring</author>
	<datestamp>1261416180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, that REALLY pissed me off too.  I thought I "bought" their high-end DVR when I forked over the cash at BestBuy.  Not to mention it is not possible at the store to read the massive thing you sign when "buying" it.  Then, several months later when I wanted to cancel because my 2-year term was up, I'm told I can't because I added a receiver.  But I paid for it!  I'll give it back to them if they want it, but no.  I even threatened to nuke the credit card it's being billed to but was told my account would then go to collections.  I used to really like DirecTV but now I will never, ever recommend them to anyone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , that REALLY pissed me off too .
I thought I " bought " their high-end DVR when I forked over the cash at BestBuy .
Not to mention it is not possible at the store to read the massive thing you sign when " buying " it .
Then , several months later when I wanted to cancel because my 2-year term was up , I 'm told I ca n't because I added a receiver .
But I paid for it !
I 'll give it back to them if they want it , but no .
I even threatened to nuke the credit card it 's being billed to but was told my account would then go to collections .
I used to really like DirecTV but now I will never , ever recommend them to anyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, that REALLY pissed me off too.
I thought I "bought" their high-end DVR when I forked over the cash at BestBuy.
Not to mention it is not possible at the store to read the massive thing you sign when "buying" it.
Then, several months later when I wanted to cancel because my 2-year term was up, I'm told I can't because I added a receiver.
But I paid for it!
I'll give it back to them if they want it, but no.
I even threatened to nuke the credit card it's being billed to but was told my account would then go to collections.
I used to really like DirecTV but now I will never, ever recommend them to anyone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30512896</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30519090</id>
	<title>Re:Washington "State"</title>
	<author>soundguy</author>
	<datestamp>1261405440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you just say 'Washington', most people think 'D.C.', and rightly so, since it impacts their lives much more.</p></div><p>The fact that we are the home of Boeing Aircraft, Microsoft, Amazon.com, Starbucks, and about a bajillion microbreweries &amp; wineries means we probably directly affect the average slashdotter's life far more than the self-serving acts of a bunch of glorified used-car hucksters in a northern Virginia ghetto.</p><p>Our music is a hell of a lot better too.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you just say 'Washington ' , most people think 'D.C .
' , and rightly so , since it impacts their lives much more.The fact that we are the home of Boeing Aircraft , Microsoft , Amazon.com , Starbucks , and about a bajillion microbreweries &amp; wineries means we probably directly affect the average slashdotter 's life far more than the self-serving acts of a bunch of glorified used-car hucksters in a northern Virginia ghetto.Our music is a hell of a lot better too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you just say 'Washington', most people think 'D.C.
', and rightly so, since it impacts their lives much more.The fact that we are the home of Boeing Aircraft, Microsoft, Amazon.com, Starbucks, and about a bajillion microbreweries &amp; wineries means we probably directly affect the average slashdotter's life far more than the self-serving acts of a bunch of glorified used-car hucksters in a northern Virginia ghetto.Our music is a hell of a lot better too.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513724</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30514820</id>
	<title>Re:Washington "State"</title>
	<author>Dutch Gun</author>
	<datestamp>1261423560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A common mistake, get over it. Or move where the rain doesn't make you so cranky.</p></div><p>The rain helps keep the Californians away.  It's a feature, not a bug.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A common mistake , get over it .
Or move where the rain does n't make you so cranky.The rain helps keep the Californians away .
It 's a feature , not a bug .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A common mistake, get over it.
Or move where the rain doesn't make you so cranky.The rain helps keep the Californians away.
It's a feature, not a bug.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513724</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513180</id>
	<title>"Washington State"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261416420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...is a university in Pullman.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...is a university in Pullman .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...is a university in Pullman.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513556</id>
	<title>Re:Buying boxes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261418100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it like buying from Apple?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it like buying from Apple ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it like buying from Apple?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30512896</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513856</id>
	<title>Worthless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261419480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So DirectTV gets busted. Then what?</p><p>Customers get to sign on for the class action payout; everybody gets a premium movie channel free for a few months. Big whoop.</p><p>The penalty for this needs to be proportional to the trouble they caused the customer. I think a million dollars ($250,000 for the lawyer, $750,000 for the customer) each ought to do it. Or rather, it ought to stop DirecTV from doing it again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So DirectTV gets busted .
Then what ? Customers get to sign on for the class action payout ; everybody gets a premium movie channel free for a few months .
Big whoop.The penalty for this needs to be proportional to the trouble they caused the customer .
I think a million dollars ( $ 250,000 for the lawyer , $ 750,000 for the customer ) each ought to do it .
Or rather , it ought to stop DirecTV from doing it again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So DirectTV gets busted.
Then what?Customers get to sign on for the class action payout; everybody gets a premium movie channel free for a few months.
Big whoop.The penalty for this needs to be proportional to the trouble they caused the customer.
I think a million dollars ($250,000 for the lawyer, $750,000 for the customer) each ought to do it.
Or rather, it ought to stop DirecTV from doing it again.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30518572</id>
	<title>Re:Why have either?</title>
	<author>antdude</author>
	<datestamp>1261400580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not everyone has fast connections. Some are still stuck on dial-up! Some are not in USA so they get region blocked even if they could stream.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not everyone has fast connections .
Some are still stuck on dial-up !
Some are not in USA so they get region blocked even if they could stream .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not everyone has fast connections.
Some are still stuck on dial-up!
Some are not in USA so they get region blocked even if they could stream.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513790</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30516908</id>
	<title>Re:Buying boxes</title>
	<author>plague3106</author>
	<datestamp>1261390440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Should have let it go to collections.  Its really not that big a deal if it does, and you can always dispute it (by documenting your side of things and showing that they're being deseptive).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Should have let it go to collections .
Its really not that big a deal if it does , and you can always dispute it ( by documenting your side of things and showing that they 're being deseptive ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Should have let it go to collections.
Its really not that big a deal if it does, and you can always dispute it (by documenting your side of things and showing that they're being deseptive).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513112</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30515010</id>
	<title>Re:Washington "State"</title>
	<author>tw45</author>
	<datestamp>1261424460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, tell that to the redskins, i moved all the way to Washington and turns out they are on the east coast!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , tell that to the redskins , i moved all the way to Washington and turns out they are on the east coast !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, tell that to the redskins, i moved all the way to Washington and turns out they are on the east coast!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30512964</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30517382</id>
	<title>Re:Buying boxes</title>
	<author>GumphMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1261392900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Not to mention it is not possible at the store to read the massive thing you sign when "buying" it</p></div><p>Sure it is.  Just stand there, read it, and refuse to pay or sign until you are finished.  The retailer will quickly see the stupidity of the document and tell their supplier if everybody actually did this.   If the document is unnecessarily large then you can be sure that it is only that way to bolster the seller's advantage and your detriment.   Mobile phone peddlers are particularly good at this sort of crap also.  In Australia at the moment they are fond of hiding a fee for processing a payment to them (e.g. $2 to process a CC payment or a cash payment over the counter) in the fine print.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to mention it is not possible at the store to read the massive thing you sign when " buying " itSure it is .
Just stand there , read it , and refuse to pay or sign until you are finished .
The retailer will quickly see the stupidity of the document and tell their supplier if everybody actually did this .
If the document is unnecessarily large then you can be sure that it is only that way to bolster the seller 's advantage and your detriment .
Mobile phone peddlers are particularly good at this sort of crap also .
In Australia at the moment they are fond of hiding a fee for processing a payment to them ( e.g .
$ 2 to process a CC payment or a cash payment over the counter ) in the fine print .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to mention it is not possible at the store to read the massive thing you sign when "buying" itSure it is.
Just stand there, read it, and refuse to pay or sign until you are finished.
The retailer will quickly see the stupidity of the document and tell their supplier if everybody actually did this.
If the document is unnecessarily large then you can be sure that it is only that way to bolster the seller's advantage and your detriment.
Mobile phone peddlers are particularly good at this sort of crap also.
In Australia at the moment they are fond of hiding a fee for processing a payment to them (e.g.
$2 to process a CC payment or a cash payment over the counter) in the fine print.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513112</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513622</id>
	<title>Re:I had a bad experience with DirecTV DVR</title>
	<author>Dan667</author>
	<datestamp>1261418400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why are you throwing Dish under the bus with DirectTV and Comcast?  Nothing in your post has anything to do with them.  I have had a very good experience with Dish Network.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why are you throwing Dish under the bus with DirectTV and Comcast ?
Nothing in your post has anything to do with them .
I have had a very good experience with Dish Network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why are you throwing Dish under the bus with DirectTV and Comcast?
Nothing in your post has anything to do with them.
I have had a very good experience with Dish Network.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513144</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30512938</id>
	<title>I had a bad experience with DirecTV DVR</title>
	<author>hansoloaf</author>
	<datestamp>1261415460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had a DirecTV Tivo DVR that was working fine in Missouri. I moved to Vermont and brought it with me. However the model would not work in Vermont.<br> <br>
Directv would not allow me to continue to use the Tivo model so they forced me to obtain their free DVR product (crap). Didn't cost me anything so I had to agree to that.<br> <br>
Then the DVR product broke and I asked DirecTV to replace it. They did so no problem but extended my two year contract without informing me. About a year later when the contract was supposed to have expire, I called to negotiate a better deal including HD etc, only to be told that I have one more year left. After countless calls I learned that they extended this quietly because they "gave" me a replacement DVR.<br> <br>
So screw them, I paid the ETF and moved to Dish. Ever since DirecTV have been bombarding me with mails begging me to come back but I'm staying with Dish for two years. <br> <br>
Hope the states force DirecTV to stop these practices.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a DirecTV Tivo DVR that was working fine in Missouri .
I moved to Vermont and brought it with me .
However the model would not work in Vermont .
Directv would not allow me to continue to use the Tivo model so they forced me to obtain their free DVR product ( crap ) .
Did n't cost me anything so I had to agree to that .
Then the DVR product broke and I asked DirecTV to replace it .
They did so no problem but extended my two year contract without informing me .
About a year later when the contract was supposed to have expire , I called to negotiate a better deal including HD etc , only to be told that I have one more year left .
After countless calls I learned that they extended this quietly because they " gave " me a replacement DVR .
So screw them , I paid the ETF and moved to Dish .
Ever since DirecTV have been bombarding me with mails begging me to come back but I 'm staying with Dish for two years .
Hope the states force DirecTV to stop these practices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a DirecTV Tivo DVR that was working fine in Missouri.
I moved to Vermont and brought it with me.
However the model would not work in Vermont.
Directv would not allow me to continue to use the Tivo model so they forced me to obtain their free DVR product (crap).
Didn't cost me anything so I had to agree to that.
Then the DVR product broke and I asked DirecTV to replace it.
They did so no problem but extended my two year contract without informing me.
About a year later when the contract was supposed to have expire, I called to negotiate a better deal including HD etc, only to be told that I have one more year left.
After countless calls I learned that they extended this quietly because they "gave" me a replacement DVR.
So screw them, I paid the ETF and moved to Dish.
Ever since DirecTV have been bombarding me with mails begging me to come back but I'm staying with Dish for two years.
Hope the states force DirecTV to stop these practices.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30518942</id>
	<title>Re:Former employee here: lawsuit probably bogus</title>
	<author>gearloos</author>
	<datestamp>1261404180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hey you added in a couple extra words by mistake.--
I work at DirecTV's call center handling all types of calls (Mainbank, CIS, CRG, and Tier 1 Tech). . --There, fixed that for you</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey you added in a couple extra words by mistake.-- I work at DirecTV 's call center handling all types of calls ( Mainbank , CIS , CRG , and Tier 1 Tech ) .
. --There , fixed that for you</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey you added in a couple extra words by mistake.--
I work at DirecTV's call center handling all types of calls (Mainbank, CIS, CRG, and Tier 1 Tech).
. --There, fixed that for you</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30514212</id>
	<title>Re:"Washington State"</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1261421040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They have college classes in railroad cars now?  The economy must be worse than I thought.  What's the course of study?  Engineering?</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pullman\_Company" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pullman\_Company</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They have college classes in railroad cars now ?
The economy must be worse than I thought .
What 's the course of study ?
Engineering ? http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pullman \ _Company [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have college classes in railroad cars now?
The economy must be worse than I thought.
What's the course of study?
Engineering?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pullman\_Company [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30512964</id>
	<title>Washington "State"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261415580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I recently moved to Washington and I never realized how annoying it is that people call it Washington "State".<br><br>It's not "Delaware State".  It's not "North Dakota State".  It's not "Wyoming State".<br><br>I know, I know, it's to make sure no one thinks we're talking about Washington DC... you know, the place that actually has further info in its name to make sure it won't get confused with any place else.<br><br>Wouldn't it make more sense to call the state of Washington "Washington" and call Washington DC "Washington DC"?  Or just "DC"?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I recently moved to Washington and I never realized how annoying it is that people call it Washington " State " .It 's not " Delaware State " .
It 's not " North Dakota State " .
It 's not " Wyoming State " .I know , I know , it 's to make sure no one thinks we 're talking about Washington DC... you know , the place that actually has further info in its name to make sure it wo n't get confused with any place else.Would n't it make more sense to call the state of Washington " Washington " and call Washington DC " Washington DC " ?
Or just " DC " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recently moved to Washington and I never realized how annoying it is that people call it Washington "State".It's not "Delaware State".
It's not "North Dakota State".
It's not "Wyoming State".I know, I know, it's to make sure no one thinks we're talking about Washington DC... you know, the place that actually has further info in its name to make sure it won't get confused with any place else.Wouldn't it make more sense to call the state of Washington "Washington" and call Washington DC "Washington DC"?
Or just "DC"?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513214</id>
	<title>Re:Washington "State"</title>
	<author>dlsmith</author>
	<datestamp>1261416540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, "Washington" the city doesn't officially exist.  The capital of the United States is officially the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District\_Of\_Columbia" title="wikipedia.org">District of Columbia</a> [wikipedia.org].  The fact that people still call it Washington is an artifact of its history.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , " Washington " the city does n't officially exist .
The capital of the United States is officially the District of Columbia [ wikipedia.org ] .
The fact that people still call it Washington is an artifact of its history .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, "Washington" the city doesn't officially exist.
The capital of the United States is officially the District of Columbia [wikipedia.org].
The fact that people still call it Washington is an artifact of its history.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513096</id>
	<title>Re:This is no surprise</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261416120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>huh?  how's directv any different than any other cable co?  You are giving them way too much credit for the downfall of america.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>huh ?
how 's directv any different than any other cable co ?
You are giving them way too much credit for the downfall of america .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>huh?
how's directv any different than any other cable co?
You are giving them way too much credit for the downfall of america.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30515448</id>
	<title>Finally!</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1261426380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The gov. has listened. I have myself been in this very type situation, where you never agreed to these changing contracts.<br>You never signed any NEW contracts, so the old one stays, and then when you realize that it changed last time you renewed<br>you get the old, it's your own fault. Well the last time you go changing my contract, at least tell me about it!</p><p>As well, strong arming me into thinking I have to pay, by sending me the bill and then stating that I have to pay because you say so, has to stop. Like a cell bill with no proof of phone numbers dialed, and yet you apparently made long distance charges that they can't let you contest because you do not have the phone number, of which you say, it's not on the bill....well that's just too bad.</p><p>I hope this sets a precedent to most other companies that practice this type of business intelligence (or lack of). You may get my money now, but I wont stay with you long enough for you to get any more of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The gov .
has listened .
I have myself been in this very type situation , where you never agreed to these changing contracts.You never signed any NEW contracts , so the old one stays , and then when you realize that it changed last time you renewedyou get the old , it 's your own fault .
Well the last time you go changing my contract , at least tell me about it ! As well , strong arming me into thinking I have to pay , by sending me the bill and then stating that I have to pay because you say so , has to stop .
Like a cell bill with no proof of phone numbers dialed , and yet you apparently made long distance charges that they ca n't let you contest because you do not have the phone number , of which you say , it 's not on the bill....well that 's just too bad.I hope this sets a precedent to most other companies that practice this type of business intelligence ( or lack of ) .
You may get my money now , but I wont stay with you long enough for you to get any more of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The gov.
has listened.
I have myself been in this very type situation, where you never agreed to these changing contracts.You never signed any NEW contracts, so the old one stays, and then when you realize that it changed last time you renewedyou get the old, it's your own fault.
Well the last time you go changing my contract, at least tell me about it!As well, strong arming me into thinking I have to pay, by sending me the bill and then stating that I have to pay because you say so, has to stop.
Like a cell bill with no proof of phone numbers dialed, and yet you apparently made long distance charges that they can't let you contest because you do not have the phone number, of which you say, it's not on the bill....well that's just too bad.I hope this sets a precedent to most other companies that practice this type of business intelligence (or lack of).
You may get my money now, but I wont stay with you long enough for you to get any more of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513072</id>
	<title>Where does the surprise part come in</title>
	<author>dkleinsc</author>
	<datestamp>1261416000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>he was surprised DirecTV refused to change its business practices voluntarily.</p></div><p>I'm not surprised DirecTV ignored him. The big corporate types are used to owning government, and tend to get blindsided by guys who take their job as AG to mean that they're supposed to enforce the laws of their state (e.g. pre-affair Eliot Spitzer).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>he was surprised DirecTV refused to change its business practices voluntarily.I 'm not surprised DirecTV ignored him .
The big corporate types are used to owning government , and tend to get blindsided by guys who take their job as AG to mean that they 're supposed to enforce the laws of their state ( e.g .
pre-affair Eliot Spitzer ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>he was surprised DirecTV refused to change its business practices voluntarily.I'm not surprised DirecTV ignored him.
The big corporate types are used to owning government, and tend to get blindsided by guys who take their job as AG to mean that they're supposed to enforce the laws of their state (e.g.
pre-affair Eliot Spitzer).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30518044</id>
	<title>American Corporations are entitled to steal...</title>
	<author>Bob\_Who</author>
	<datestamp>1261396920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its even more cost effective than advertising or anti trust and its been legalized by congress who are all bought and paid for with voters.  Democracy really gets shareholders their money's worth.  Citizens cough it up here since they don't spend enough on taxes. WE MUST MAKE THIEVES PAY MORE THAN THEY STEAL OR THEY WON'T STOP.  Don't enable corporate or legislative scum balls.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its even more cost effective than advertising or anti trust and its been legalized by congress who are all bought and paid for with voters .
Democracy really gets shareholders their money 's worth .
Citizens cough it up here since they do n't spend enough on taxes .
WE MUST MAKE THIEVES PAY MORE THAN THEY STEAL OR THEY WO N'T STOP .
Do n't enable corporate or legislative scum balls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its even more cost effective than advertising or anti trust and its been legalized by congress who are all bought and paid for with voters.
Democracy really gets shareholders their money's worth.
Citizens cough it up here since they don't spend enough on taxes.
WE MUST MAKE THIEVES PAY MORE THAN THEY STEAL OR THEY WON'T STOP.
Don't enable corporate or legislative scum balls.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30517954</id>
	<title>DTV is horrible</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261396260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They weren't bad many years ago but now they scare me.  I had a receiver that needed upgraded because it wouldn't support getting the local channels though a single dish.  They upgraded it and extended my contract 2 years, of course.  I later switched to cable because I knew my DTV contract was up but had to battle for hours with them because they extended my contract for an upgrade THEY REQUIRED.  I finally won and felt like I just escaped from some third world country prison.</p><p>It sucks because I really liked the NFL Ticket and the NFL Network.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They were n't bad many years ago but now they scare me .
I had a receiver that needed upgraded because it would n't support getting the local channels though a single dish .
They upgraded it and extended my contract 2 years , of course .
I later switched to cable because I knew my DTV contract was up but had to battle for hours with them because they extended my contract for an upgrade THEY REQUIRED .
I finally won and felt like I just escaped from some third world country prison.It sucks because I really liked the NFL Ticket and the NFL Network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They weren't bad many years ago but now they scare me.
I had a receiver that needed upgraded because it wouldn't support getting the local channels though a single dish.
They upgraded it and extended my contract 2 years, of course.
I later switched to cable because I knew my DTV contract was up but had to battle for hours with them because they extended my contract for an upgrade THEY REQUIRED.
I finally won and felt like I just escaped from some third world country prison.It sucks because I really liked the NFL Ticket and the NFL Network.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30516436</id>
	<title>Apparently...</title>
	<author>zztong</author>
	<datestamp>1261388040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Quote: <i>he was surprised DirecTV refused to change its business practices voluntarily</i></p><p>Apparently he has never been a DirecTV customer.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Quote : he was surprised DirecTV refused to change its business practices voluntarilyApparently he has never been a DirecTV customer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quote: he was surprised DirecTV refused to change its business practices voluntarilyApparently he has never been a DirecTV customer.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513554</id>
	<title>Re:Washington "State"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261418100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I totally agree with the OP's sentiment.  Besides, "Washington State" sounds like the school.  At best say "The State of Washington".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I totally agree with the OP 's sentiment .
Besides , " Washington State " sounds like the school .
At best say " The State of Washington " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I totally agree with the OP's sentiment.
Besides, "Washington State" sounds like the school.
At best say "The State of Washington".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30517732</id>
	<title>Re:Washington "State"</title>
	<author>pclminion</author>
	<datestamp>1261394880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I'm from Vancouver, a suburb of Portland, Oregon."</p><p>Problem solved.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I 'm from Vancouver , a suburb of Portland , Oregon .
" Problem solved .
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I'm from Vancouver, a suburb of Portland, Oregon.
"Problem solved.
;-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513666</id>
	<title>Re:Washington "State"</title>
	<author>Brett Buck</author>
	<datestamp>1261418580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>     It's the east coast bias, the same thing which makes a kitten getting stuck in a tree in the Bronx national news. There's a certain thing which seems to give them an undeserved sense of superiority.</p></div></blockquote><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Also why we always see Redskin, Cowboy, and Giants games disproportionately, no matter how miserable they all are.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Brett</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the east coast bias , the same thing which makes a kitten getting stuck in a tree in the Bronx national news .
There 's a certain thing which seems to give them an undeserved sense of superiority .
            Also why we always see Redskin , Cowboy , and Giants games disproportionately , no matter how miserable they all are .
          Brett</tokentext>
<sentencetext>     It's the east coast bias, the same thing which makes a kitten getting stuck in a tree in the Bronx national news.
There's a certain thing which seems to give them an undeserved sense of superiority.
            Also why we always see Redskin, Cowboy, and Giants games disproportionately, no matter how miserable they all are.
          Brett
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30516124</id>
	<title>Re:Washington "State"</title>
	<author>tophermeyer</author>
	<datestamp>1261386660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Give it up.  I was born in Bangor.  </p></div><p>Bangor?  I barely even know her!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Give it up .
I was born in Bangor .
Bangor ? I barely even know her !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Give it up.
I was born in Bangor.
Bangor?  I barely even know her!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30515344</id>
	<title>Re:Where does the surprise part come in</title>
	<author>sheehaje</author>
	<datestamp>1261425900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny you bring up Eliot Spitzer.  Even though he was a egotistical bastard, he did make a really good AG.</p><p>As far as DirecTV, I've been a customer for years.  Mainly because of Sunday Ticket.  This year, I feel like I'm being nickled and dimed for everything.  I bought all the HD packages, yet they still charge an extra $100 to get the games in HD.  I'm done after this year.  As much as I like watching my team on Sunday's, it's just not worth it anymore.  That was the only thing tying me anymore to DirecTV, so I will look at alternatives next year.</p><p>The other thing that irks me is I have Tivo Receiver I bought early on.  It was the first HD DirectTV DVR, and it cost me $1000.  I was only able to use that for a year before they stopped supporting it.  Now I'm stuck with their DVR's, and they are very substandard.  We used to think our batteries were dying in our remote controls, but it's just that these units are very underpowered and the response time is horrible.</p><p>It's too bad that DirecTV plays these games with their customers.  I was an early adopter, and I remember one of their strong points was customer service.  It seems that they really stopped caring about customers and only care about their wallets.  I will not go back to them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny you bring up Eliot Spitzer .
Even though he was a egotistical bastard , he did make a really good AG.As far as DirecTV , I 've been a customer for years .
Mainly because of Sunday Ticket .
This year , I feel like I 'm being nickled and dimed for everything .
I bought all the HD packages , yet they still charge an extra $ 100 to get the games in HD .
I 'm done after this year .
As much as I like watching my team on Sunday 's , it 's just not worth it anymore .
That was the only thing tying me anymore to DirecTV , so I will look at alternatives next year.The other thing that irks me is I have Tivo Receiver I bought early on .
It was the first HD DirectTV DVR , and it cost me $ 1000 .
I was only able to use that for a year before they stopped supporting it .
Now I 'm stuck with their DVR 's , and they are very substandard .
We used to think our batteries were dying in our remote controls , but it 's just that these units are very underpowered and the response time is horrible.It 's too bad that DirecTV plays these games with their customers .
I was an early adopter , and I remember one of their strong points was customer service .
It seems that they really stopped caring about customers and only care about their wallets .
I will not go back to them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny you bring up Eliot Spitzer.
Even though he was a egotistical bastard, he did make a really good AG.As far as DirecTV, I've been a customer for years.
Mainly because of Sunday Ticket.
This year, I feel like I'm being nickled and dimed for everything.
I bought all the HD packages, yet they still charge an extra $100 to get the games in HD.
I'm done after this year.
As much as I like watching my team on Sunday's, it's just not worth it anymore.
That was the only thing tying me anymore to DirecTV, so I will look at alternatives next year.The other thing that irks me is I have Tivo Receiver I bought early on.
It was the first HD DirectTV DVR, and it cost me $1000.
I was only able to use that for a year before they stopped supporting it.
Now I'm stuck with their DVR's, and they are very substandard.
We used to think our batteries were dying in our remote controls, but it's just that these units are very underpowered and the response time is horrible.It's too bad that DirecTV plays these games with their customers.
I was an early adopter, and I remember one of their strong points was customer service.
It seems that they really stopped caring about customers and only care about their wallets.
I will not go back to them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513634</id>
	<title>Not my experience...</title>
	<author>gregarican</author>
	<datestamp>1261418400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps it depends on where you purchase DirecTV service through. The Best Buy "bundled" promo must have hidden a pantload of gotchas in there from the sounds of it.</p><p>I've had DirecTV off and on for 9 years now. From what I've experienced (compared to Time Warner and a few other providers) is that DirecTV's customer service is unparalleled in terms of being efficient, effective, and compliant. They have even won J.D. Power awards for customer satisfaction from what I recall. When I was a new customer (or renewing my NFL Sunday Ticket) I'd receive pay movie channels included for 3 months, get used to them, and would get the free period extended (several times over the course of a whole year) by calling into customer service and threaten to cancel my account down the road. Practically every time I called in I got some promo offer extended.</p><p>That being said, it could perhaps have something to do with different states having different whys and wherefores. But I do know that going to "Worst Buy" is typically a bad move. From what I've heard their sales consist of a lot of items that are being phased out by the manufacturer. So they are dumped into the market as end of life items at a deep discount. Can't count how many items I've tried to return that can't be replaced since they were no longer actively sold or supported. So I can only imagine purchasing a bundled service through them...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps it depends on where you purchase DirecTV service through .
The Best Buy " bundled " promo must have hidden a pantload of gotchas in there from the sounds of it.I 've had DirecTV off and on for 9 years now .
From what I 've experienced ( compared to Time Warner and a few other providers ) is that DirecTV 's customer service is unparalleled in terms of being efficient , effective , and compliant .
They have even won J.D .
Power awards for customer satisfaction from what I recall .
When I was a new customer ( or renewing my NFL Sunday Ticket ) I 'd receive pay movie channels included for 3 months , get used to them , and would get the free period extended ( several times over the course of a whole year ) by calling into customer service and threaten to cancel my account down the road .
Practically every time I called in I got some promo offer extended.That being said , it could perhaps have something to do with different states having different whys and wherefores .
But I do know that going to " Worst Buy " is typically a bad move .
From what I 've heard their sales consist of a lot of items that are being phased out by the manufacturer .
So they are dumped into the market as end of life items at a deep discount .
Ca n't count how many items I 've tried to return that ca n't be replaced since they were no longer actively sold or supported .
So I can only imagine purchasing a bundled service through them.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps it depends on where you purchase DirecTV service through.
The Best Buy "bundled" promo must have hidden a pantload of gotchas in there from the sounds of it.I've had DirecTV off and on for 9 years now.
From what I've experienced (compared to Time Warner and a few other providers) is that DirecTV's customer service is unparalleled in terms of being efficient, effective, and compliant.
They have even won J.D.
Power awards for customer satisfaction from what I recall.
When I was a new customer (or renewing my NFL Sunday Ticket) I'd receive pay movie channels included for 3 months, get used to them, and would get the free period extended (several times over the course of a whole year) by calling into customer service and threaten to cancel my account down the road.
Practically every time I called in I got some promo offer extended.That being said, it could perhaps have something to do with different states having different whys and wherefores.
But I do know that going to "Worst Buy" is typically a bad move.
From what I've heard their sales consist of a lot of items that are being phased out by the manufacturer.
So they are dumped into the market as end of life items at a deep discount.
Can't count how many items I've tried to return that can't be replaced since they were no longer actively sold or supported.
So I can only imagine purchasing a bundled service through them...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30517246</id>
	<title>Re:Why have either?</title>
	<author>rizzo320</author>
	<datestamp>1261392120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I also watch C-SPAN. That's funded by cable providers and available only to their subscribers</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx" title="c-span.org">http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx</a> [c-span.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I also watch C-SPAN .
That 's funded by cable providers and available only to their subscribers http : //www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx [ c-span.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also watch C-SPAN.
That's funded by cable providers and available only to their subscribers http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx [c-span.org]
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30515362</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30516114</id>
	<title>Buyer beware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261386600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i had direct tv for a year.  lost my job.  i moved.  they proceeded to turn my service back on without telling me.  not one phone call or vm saying your service has been re-activated.  they charged me for a service i wasn't even getting.  i didnt even know it had happened until i got a call from some collection agency.  so naturally i was like wtf.  then when they told me to send the receiver back after i had called them after all this, they sent the box to my former address but somehow got the bill to my current address.  i talked to 2 different women on the phone and both hung up on me after i complained about them not telling me about restarting my service.  i tried to see how they can do that and why they didnt tell me and what they could do to fix it.  the response i got was well if you want to restart your service we can set that back up for like $200 or some crap like that.</p><p>so after i payed $200+ for a service i didnt even re-activate and was never told about just to make sure they didnt f my credit i would definitely say F Direct TV don't use them.  if you deactivate they will not hesitate to screw you later on.  Buyer beware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i had direct tv for a year .
lost my job .
i moved .
they proceeded to turn my service back on without telling me .
not one phone call or vm saying your service has been re-activated .
they charged me for a service i was n't even getting .
i didnt even know it had happened until i got a call from some collection agency .
so naturally i was like wtf .
then when they told me to send the receiver back after i had called them after all this , they sent the box to my former address but somehow got the bill to my current address .
i talked to 2 different women on the phone and both hung up on me after i complained about them not telling me about restarting my service .
i tried to see how they can do that and why they didnt tell me and what they could do to fix it .
the response i got was well if you want to restart your service we can set that back up for like $ 200 or some crap like that.so after i payed $ 200 + for a service i didnt even re-activate and was never told about just to make sure they didnt f my credit i would definitely say F Direct TV do n't use them .
if you deactivate they will not hesitate to screw you later on .
Buyer beware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i had direct tv for a year.
lost my job.
i moved.
they proceeded to turn my service back on without telling me.
not one phone call or vm saying your service has been re-activated.
they charged me for a service i wasn't even getting.
i didnt even know it had happened until i got a call from some collection agency.
so naturally i was like wtf.
then when they told me to send the receiver back after i had called them after all this, they sent the box to my former address but somehow got the bill to my current address.
i talked to 2 different women on the phone and both hung up on me after i complained about them not telling me about restarting my service.
i tried to see how they can do that and why they didnt tell me and what they could do to fix it.
the response i got was well if you want to restart your service we can set that back up for like $200 or some crap like that.so after i payed $200+ for a service i didnt even re-activate and was never told about just to make sure they didnt f my credit i would definitely say F Direct TV don't use them.
if you deactivate they will not hesitate to screw you later on.
Buyer beware.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513174</id>
	<title>Re:Washington "State"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261416420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Having lived in Washington ("State") for most of my life, it's practically necessary when traveling in foreign places. Every single time I didn't specify the "state" at the end, people would say "Oh! Washington. Where the white house is, right?" It's very annoying indeed to have to specify which Washington. It's even more annoying if you live in Vancouver, WA.
<br> <br>
"I'm from Vancouver Washington."
<br>
"Oh, Canada? Cool."
<br>
"No, it's in the state Washington; just 6-7 hours south of Canada's Vancouver."
<br>
"Oh, where the White house is, fun!"
<br>
"Nevermind."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Having lived in Washington ( " State " ) for most of my life , it 's practically necessary when traveling in foreign places .
Every single time I did n't specify the " state " at the end , people would say " Oh !
Washington. Where the white house is , right ?
" It 's very annoying indeed to have to specify which Washington .
It 's even more annoying if you live in Vancouver , WA .
" I 'm from Vancouver Washington .
" " Oh , Canada ?
Cool. " " No , it 's in the state Washington ; just 6-7 hours south of Canada 's Vancouver .
" " Oh , where the White house is , fun !
" " Nevermind .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having lived in Washington ("State") for most of my life, it's practically necessary when traveling in foreign places.
Every single time I didn't specify the "state" at the end, people would say "Oh!
Washington. Where the white house is, right?
" It's very annoying indeed to have to specify which Washington.
It's even more annoying if you live in Vancouver, WA.
"I'm from Vancouver Washington.
"

"Oh, Canada?
Cool."

"No, it's in the state Washington; just 6-7 hours south of Canada's Vancouver.
"

"Oh, where the White house is, fun!
"

"Nevermind.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30512964</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30514190</id>
	<title>Re:I had a bad experience with DirecTV DVR</title>
	<author>Ephemeriis</author>
	<datestamp>1261420920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We had a lot of trouble with the installation...</p><p>We originally wanted to go with Dish.  They sent someone out to our house and he quickly determined that the only way it would work was if they stuck a pole in the middle of our yard.  Oh, and there would be two separate dishes.  We told him no and sent him on his way...  The guy was only there for about 10 minutes.</p><p>Then we had to explain to Dish that we didn't have their equipment, weren't going to pay monthly bills, didn't cancel any agreement because we never agreed to anything, etc.  Lots of fun.  Ultimately we didn't pay for any of it.</p><p>We've got DirecTV now.  They put a single dish on the corner of our roof and it is working fine.  We've been pretty happy with it so far...  But we tried an HD trial for about three months, and then canceled it...  And for some reason our bill went up by $10.  I tried to correct it on the website, but couldn't find anything useful.  I tried emailing them, and got nothing helpful in response.  I've called them, and they claim it will be fixed, but we'll see...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We had a lot of trouble with the installation...We originally wanted to go with Dish .
They sent someone out to our house and he quickly determined that the only way it would work was if they stuck a pole in the middle of our yard .
Oh , and there would be two separate dishes .
We told him no and sent him on his way... The guy was only there for about 10 minutes.Then we had to explain to Dish that we did n't have their equipment , were n't going to pay monthly bills , did n't cancel any agreement because we never agreed to anything , etc .
Lots of fun .
Ultimately we did n't pay for any of it.We 've got DirecTV now .
They put a single dish on the corner of our roof and it is working fine .
We 've been pretty happy with it so far... But we tried an HD trial for about three months , and then canceled it... And for some reason our bill went up by $ 10 .
I tried to correct it on the website , but could n't find anything useful .
I tried emailing them , and got nothing helpful in response .
I 've called them , and they claim it will be fixed , but we 'll see.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We had a lot of trouble with the installation...We originally wanted to go with Dish.
They sent someone out to our house and he quickly determined that the only way it would work was if they stuck a pole in the middle of our yard.
Oh, and there would be two separate dishes.
We told him no and sent him on his way...  The guy was only there for about 10 minutes.Then we had to explain to Dish that we didn't have their equipment, weren't going to pay monthly bills, didn't cancel any agreement because we never agreed to anything, etc.
Lots of fun.
Ultimately we didn't pay for any of it.We've got DirecTV now.
They put a single dish on the corner of our roof and it is working fine.
We've been pretty happy with it so far...  But we tried an HD trial for about three months, and then canceled it...  And for some reason our bill went up by $10.
I tried to correct it on the website, but couldn't find anything useful.
I tried emailing them, and got nothing helpful in response.
I've called them, and they claim it will be fixed, but we'll see...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513144</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513332</id>
	<title>at lest they don't make you pay $15-$20/m per box</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261417200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>at lest they don't make you pay $15-$20/m per box like cable and not only that comcarp Chicago land makes you get sports pack to get fox movie channel and speed.</p><p>and you pay about $75 comcast digital classic + sports pack + Hardware so you can pay $90-$100 on comcast to get the same as direct tv at $75.<br>and that is for just 1 tv direct wants $5<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/m pre box to add one even for HD DVR's. Comcast wants about $10 per HD and $15-$20 per hd dvr (no e-sata) and you may get a box with small 160gb and maybe a 250-320gb hdd on comcast vs 320-500gb + e-sata on direct tv</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>at lest they do n't make you pay $ 15- $ 20/m per box like cable and not only that comcarp Chicago land makes you get sports pack to get fox movie channel and speed.and you pay about $ 75 comcast digital classic + sports pack + Hardware so you can pay $ 90- $ 100 on comcast to get the same as direct tv at $ 75.and that is for just 1 tv direct wants $ 5 /m pre box to add one even for HD DVR 's .
Comcast wants about $ 10 per HD and $ 15- $ 20 per hd dvr ( no e-sata ) and you may get a box with small 160gb and maybe a 250-320gb hdd on comcast vs 320-500gb + e-sata on direct tv</tokentext>
<sentencetext>at lest they don't make you pay $15-$20/m per box like cable and not only that comcarp Chicago land makes you get sports pack to get fox movie channel and speed.and you pay about $75 comcast digital classic + sports pack + Hardware so you can pay $90-$100 on comcast to get the same as direct tv at $75.and that is for just 1 tv direct wants $5 /m pre box to add one even for HD DVR's.
Comcast wants about $10 per HD and $15-$20 per hd dvr (no e-sata) and you may get a box with small 160gb and maybe a 250-320gb hdd on comcast vs 320-500gb + e-sata on direct tv</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30515964</id>
	<title>Re:Washington "State"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261429020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, having gone to Evergreen High School I know all about Vancouver BC. It amazes me that I can say that I lived in Vancouver, WA, just north of Portland, OR and people still put me in Canada.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , having gone to Evergreen High School I know all about Vancouver BC .
It amazes me that I can say that I lived in Vancouver , WA , just north of Portland , OR and people still put me in Canada .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, having gone to Evergreen High School I know all about Vancouver BC.
It amazes me that I can say that I lived in Vancouver, WA, just north of Portland, OR and people still put me in Canada.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513174</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30514840</id>
	<title>It's hard to be a Rain God..</title>
	<author>Zaphod-AVA</author>
	<datestamp>1261423740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He is just cranky from it raining all the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He is just cranky from it raining all the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He is just cranky from it raining all the time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30514274</id>
	<title>re: Collections</title>
	<author>transporter\_ii</author>
	<datestamp>1261421340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They will send trivial amounts to a collection agency, too. I had a dispute with them and changed to Dish. You prepay for DirecTV, and the disputed bill contained a month of service, plus the new month (and the service was off). I refused to pay and they sent the entire bill to a collection agency, even though the last month of service was not used. My credit history is almost spotless, except for that one DirecTV bill hanging out there...</p><p>I worked at a place with monthly subscriptions and we discussed sending outstanding bills to a collection agency. Everyone decided against it because we thought it would generate more negative feelings toward the company than it would bring in money. Apparently, they never had this meeting at DirecTV!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They will send trivial amounts to a collection agency , too .
I had a dispute with them and changed to Dish .
You prepay for DirecTV , and the disputed bill contained a month of service , plus the new month ( and the service was off ) .
I refused to pay and they sent the entire bill to a collection agency , even though the last month of service was not used .
My credit history is almost spotless , except for that one DirecTV bill hanging out there...I worked at a place with monthly subscriptions and we discussed sending outstanding bills to a collection agency .
Everyone decided against it because we thought it would generate more negative feelings toward the company than it would bring in money .
Apparently , they never had this meeting at DirecTV !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They will send trivial amounts to a collection agency, too.
I had a dispute with them and changed to Dish.
You prepay for DirecTV, and the disputed bill contained a month of service, plus the new month (and the service was off).
I refused to pay and they sent the entire bill to a collection agency, even though the last month of service was not used.
My credit history is almost spotless, except for that one DirecTV bill hanging out there...I worked at a place with monthly subscriptions and we discussed sending outstanding bills to a collection agency.
Everyone decided against it because we thought it would generate more negative feelings toward the company than it would bring in money.
Apparently, they never had this meeting at DirecTV!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513112</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30516356</id>
	<title>Re:I had a bad experience with DirecTV DVR</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261387620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow.</p><p>When my ex-wife and I split, I called Dish, and informed them that I was not longer at the residence, and to cancel the service.</p><p>I did get a call back from a sale rep, asking why I was leaving their service, and I informed him that I was getting a divorce.  He was kind enough to cancel the ETF without any issues.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow.When my ex-wife and I split , I called Dish , and informed them that I was not longer at the residence , and to cancel the service.I did get a call back from a sale rep , asking why I was leaving their service , and I informed him that I was getting a divorce .
He was kind enough to cancel the ETF without any issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow.When my ex-wife and I split, I called Dish, and informed them that I was not longer at the residence, and to cancel the service.I did get a call back from a sale rep, asking why I was leaving their service, and I informed him that I was getting a divorce.
He was kind enough to cancel the ETF without any issues.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513144</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30515796</id>
	<title>Rob is a good guy.</title>
	<author>DRAGONWEEZEL</author>
	<datestamp>1261428060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm really happy with the things he's done since he took office.  One of the few AGs who's not afraid to get his hands dirty, but not tabloid style dirty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm really happy with the things he 's done since he took office .
One of the few AGs who 's not afraid to get his hands dirty , but not tabloid style dirty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm really happy with the things he's done since he took office.
One of the few AGs who's not afraid to get his hands dirty, but not tabloid style dirty.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513072</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30516528</id>
	<title>Forced equipment upgrades?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261388520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm surprised nobody has investigated the firmware upgrades DTV uploads to its customers' receivers. I bought a receiver from Best Buy (three-plus years ago, before DTV started claiming a continuing ownership interest in them). Well, lo and behold, the last firmware "upgrade" I received from DTV on *my* receiver broke it in several significant respects. When I called customer service to report the problems, they told me they would be happy to send me a new -- read "leased" -- receiver, which, according to the most recent terms of my amoebic, ever-changing service agreement with DTV, would also have triggered a new two-year commitment period. I declined, and was left to wonder whether DTV would deliberately ship firmware upgrades incompatible with older equipment, in order to push customers into newer, company-owned equipment and extended service commitments.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised nobody has investigated the firmware upgrades DTV uploads to its customers ' receivers .
I bought a receiver from Best Buy ( three-plus years ago , before DTV started claiming a continuing ownership interest in them ) .
Well , lo and behold , the last firmware " upgrade " I received from DTV on * my * receiver broke it in several significant respects .
When I called customer service to report the problems , they told me they would be happy to send me a new -- read " leased " -- receiver , which , according to the most recent terms of my amoebic , ever-changing service agreement with DTV , would also have triggered a new two-year commitment period .
I declined , and was left to wonder whether DTV would deliberately ship firmware upgrades incompatible with older equipment , in order to push customers into newer , company-owned equipment and extended service commitments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised nobody has investigated the firmware upgrades DTV uploads to its customers' receivers.
I bought a receiver from Best Buy (three-plus years ago, before DTV started claiming a continuing ownership interest in them).
Well, lo and behold, the last firmware "upgrade" I received from DTV on *my* receiver broke it in several significant respects.
When I called customer service to report the problems, they told me they would be happy to send me a new -- read "leased" -- receiver, which, according to the most recent terms of my amoebic, ever-changing service agreement with DTV, would also have triggered a new two-year commitment period.
I declined, and was left to wonder whether DTV would deliberately ship firmware upgrades incompatible with older equipment, in order to push customers into newer, company-owned equipment and extended service commitments.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30516136</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry to see it has gotten so bad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261386660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's why it's gotten so bad:  Murdoch/News Corp. bought DIRECTV from the original owners (GM/Hughes/EDS/etc) and cleaned house of a lot of corporate fat in El Segundo. He also killed the TiVo partnership and the new management went with an NDS-developed DVR (worst move anyone there ever made, IMHO.)  Then when Liberty Media was annoying Murdoch enough, he dealt DIRECTV to them to make them go away.  During both transitions, Dish almost achieved parity with them, the liquidity of the company was steadily siphoned off and they're now desperate to obtain cash in any way possible just to appease the shareholders.  It was corporate cannabalism at its worst, and the subscribers always wind up paying for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's why it 's gotten so bad : Murdoch/News Corp. bought DIRECTV from the original owners ( GM/Hughes/EDS/etc ) and cleaned house of a lot of corporate fat in El Segundo .
He also killed the TiVo partnership and the new management went with an NDS-developed DVR ( worst move anyone there ever made , IMHO .
) Then when Liberty Media was annoying Murdoch enough , he dealt DIRECTV to them to make them go away .
During both transitions , Dish almost achieved parity with them , the liquidity of the company was steadily siphoned off and they 're now desperate to obtain cash in any way possible just to appease the shareholders .
It was corporate cannabalism at its worst , and the subscribers always wind up paying for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's why it's gotten so bad:  Murdoch/News Corp. bought DIRECTV from the original owners (GM/Hughes/EDS/etc) and cleaned house of a lot of corporate fat in El Segundo.
He also killed the TiVo partnership and the new management went with an NDS-developed DVR (worst move anyone there ever made, IMHO.
)  Then when Liberty Media was annoying Murdoch enough, he dealt DIRECTV to them to make them go away.
During both transitions, Dish almost achieved parity with them, the liquidity of the company was steadily siphoned off and they're now desperate to obtain cash in any way possible just to appease the shareholders.
It was corporate cannabalism at its worst, and the subscribers always wind up paying for it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513526</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513360</id>
	<title>Re:I had a bad experience with DirecTV DVR</title>
	<author>morari</author>
	<datestamp>1261417320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So screw them, I paid the ETF and moved to Dish./quote.</p><p>Yep, you really screwed them. Paying that ETF and all... Way to show them!</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So screw them , I paid the ETF and moved to Dish./quote.Yep , you really screwed them .
Paying that ETF and all... Way to show them !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So screw them, I paid the ETF and moved to Dish./quote.Yep, you really screwed them.
Paying that ETF and all... Way to show them!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30512938</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30515122</id>
	<title>Rob McKenna, AG? Change of career, I guess</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261424940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And as he drove on, the rainclouds dragged down the sky after him, for, though he did not know it, Rob McKenna was a Rain God. All he knew was that his working days were miserable and he had a succession of lousy holidays. All the clouds knew was that they loved him and wanted to be near him, to cherish him, and to water him.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And as he drove on , the rainclouds dragged down the sky after him , for , though he did not know it , Rob McKenna was a Rain God .
All he knew was that his working days were miserable and he had a succession of lousy holidays .
All the clouds knew was that they loved him and wanted to be near him , to cherish him , and to water him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And as he drove on, the rainclouds dragged down the sky after him, for, though he did not know it, Rob McKenna was a Rain God.
All he knew was that his working days were miserable and he had a succession of lousy holidays.
All the clouds knew was that they loved him and wanted to be near him, to cherish him, and to water him.</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30514370</id>
	<title>Re:I had a bad experience with DirecTV DVR</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261421700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Dish is even worse on leaving - you don't own any of the equipment, if you quit in February, they demand you climb up on the icy roof to get their lnb to ship back, and they threaten to charge not only the early termination fee - but the full cost of the equipment if its "damaged" in any way - meaning if they find a scratch, they'll hit your credit card-  and better make sure the remotes are included.</p><p>Took a complaint to the BBB and countless calls to the escalated tech (which never returns calls - you have to catch them when they are off a call and in their seat).</p><p>I will never ever go with DTV, Dish, or comcast again. I'll take the netflix and stream the commercial free stuff to my tv instead.</p><p>Cheaper too.</p></div><p>How is this worse?  The termination agreement isn't horrible, and it is explained up front when you get your service (or it was for me).  Just because you chose a rotten weather month doesn't mean you shouldn't honor your end of the bargain.</p><p>Now, if you want worse (which really wasn't as you'll soon see):  When I moved houses I called up Dish and took advantage of their Dish Mover program.  A few months after I moved, I decided that the money I was using on Dish could be put to better use, so I called to cancel.  They tried to hit me with an Early Termination Fee.  When I asked why (My initial contract with them had been over for a couple of years at this point), they stated that by using Dish Mover, you agree to a new contract.  At which point I told the representative that I wasn't paying the ETF because:</p><ul><li>There was no mention of renewing the contract on the Dish Mover web page.</li><li>I actually talked to a service customer rep when I placed the order, and it was never mentioned that there was contract renewal clause.</li><li>There was no mention of renewing the contract in the confirmation email that was sent.</li><li>The installer did not mention a renewing of the contract.</li><li>There was no mention of renewing the contract in the papers that the installer had me sign.</li></ul><p>Then, would you believe it?  The customer service reps next words were: "Very good sir, I'll be sending you the packages where you can return our equipment..."  Sure, she put in the "if its damaged" disclaimer but I had no problems.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Dish is even worse on leaving - you do n't own any of the equipment , if you quit in February , they demand you climb up on the icy roof to get their lnb to ship back , and they threaten to charge not only the early termination fee - but the full cost of the equipment if its " damaged " in any way - meaning if they find a scratch , they 'll hit your credit card- and better make sure the remotes are included.Took a complaint to the BBB and countless calls to the escalated tech ( which never returns calls - you have to catch them when they are off a call and in their seat ) .I will never ever go with DTV , Dish , or comcast again .
I 'll take the netflix and stream the commercial free stuff to my tv instead.Cheaper too.How is this worse ?
The termination agreement is n't horrible , and it is explained up front when you get your service ( or it was for me ) .
Just because you chose a rotten weather month does n't mean you should n't honor your end of the bargain.Now , if you want worse ( which really was n't as you 'll soon see ) : When I moved houses I called up Dish and took advantage of their Dish Mover program .
A few months after I moved , I decided that the money I was using on Dish could be put to better use , so I called to cancel .
They tried to hit me with an Early Termination Fee .
When I asked why ( My initial contract with them had been over for a couple of years at this point ) , they stated that by using Dish Mover , you agree to a new contract .
At which point I told the representative that I was n't paying the ETF because : There was no mention of renewing the contract on the Dish Mover web page.I actually talked to a service customer rep when I placed the order , and it was never mentioned that there was contract renewal clause.There was no mention of renewing the contract in the confirmation email that was sent.The installer did not mention a renewing of the contract.There was no mention of renewing the contract in the papers that the installer had me sign.Then , would you believe it ?
The customer service reps next words were : " Very good sir , I 'll be sending you the packages where you can return our equipment... " Sure , she put in the " if its damaged " disclaimer but I had no problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dish is even worse on leaving - you don't own any of the equipment, if you quit in February, they demand you climb up on the icy roof to get their lnb to ship back, and they threaten to charge not only the early termination fee - but the full cost of the equipment if its "damaged" in any way - meaning if they find a scratch, they'll hit your credit card-  and better make sure the remotes are included.Took a complaint to the BBB and countless calls to the escalated tech (which never returns calls - you have to catch them when they are off a call and in their seat).I will never ever go with DTV, Dish, or comcast again.
I'll take the netflix and stream the commercial free stuff to my tv instead.Cheaper too.How is this worse?
The termination agreement isn't horrible, and it is explained up front when you get your service (or it was for me).
Just because you chose a rotten weather month doesn't mean you shouldn't honor your end of the bargain.Now, if you want worse (which really wasn't as you'll soon see):  When I moved houses I called up Dish and took advantage of their Dish Mover program.
A few months after I moved, I decided that the money I was using on Dish could be put to better use, so I called to cancel.
They tried to hit me with an Early Termination Fee.
When I asked why (My initial contract with them had been over for a couple of years at this point), they stated that by using Dish Mover, you agree to a new contract.
At which point I told the representative that I wasn't paying the ETF because:There was no mention of renewing the contract on the Dish Mover web page.I actually talked to a service customer rep when I placed the order, and it was never mentioned that there was contract renewal clause.There was no mention of renewing the contract in the confirmation email that was sent.The installer did not mention a renewing of the contract.There was no mention of renewing the contract in the papers that the installer had me sign.Then, would you believe it?
The customer service reps next words were: "Very good sir, I'll be sending you the packages where you can return our equipment..."  Sure, she put in the "if its damaged" disclaimer but I had no problems.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30514670</id>
	<title>No suprise there</title>
	<author>buss\_error</author>
	<datestamp>1261423020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was a DirecTV subscriber six years ago, and got fed up with them.<br>Dish is much easier to deal with. Full disclosure: I disconed them too in March, not for poor service or high fees, - I got good service and the fees were OK - but in protest to the Copyright Cartel.</p><p>Some find it shocking that I don't watch TV anymore (not even on hulu.com). Until the Copyright Cartel quits their antics, NO COOKIE FOR YOU!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was a DirecTV subscriber six years ago , and got fed up with them.Dish is much easier to deal with .
Full disclosure : I disconed them too in March , not for poor service or high fees , - I got good service and the fees were OK - but in protest to the Copyright Cartel.Some find it shocking that I do n't watch TV anymore ( not even on hulu.com ) .
Until the Copyright Cartel quits their antics , NO COOKIE FOR YOU !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was a DirecTV subscriber six years ago, and got fed up with them.Dish is much easier to deal with.
Full disclosure: I disconed them too in March, not for poor service or high fees, - I got good service and the fees were OK - but in protest to the Copyright Cartel.Some find it shocking that I don't watch TV anymore (not even on hulu.com).
Until the Copyright Cartel quits their antics, NO COOKIE FOR YOU!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30514160</id>
	<title>The only "real fix"</title>
	<author>HogGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1261420740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only "real" fix it to stop treating corporations like "humans". They are a company regardless of their filing.</p><p>Hold them responsible for their actions, and limit their ability to "pass on" the cost of their bad actions, so it truly affect their bottom line. They don't care when they get "caught"; They "apologize"; then raise their fees/charges/rates/... to cover the cost of the "infraction", then find a new way to screw the customer base. If they actually had to pay, then they would stop, or go out of business - either way the consumer "wins".</p><p>I don't have any evidence, but I'll bet the "lease" deal came out of the DTV hacking that was so prevalent in the not to distant past. If they own the equipment, they have more "rights".</p><p>It seems a lot of corporations use this cycle; Telecom, Cable/Satellite,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only " real " fix it to stop treating corporations like " humans " .
They are a company regardless of their filing.Hold them responsible for their actions , and limit their ability to " pass on " the cost of their bad actions , so it truly affect their bottom line .
They do n't care when they get " caught " ; They " apologize " ; then raise their fees/charges/rates/... to cover the cost of the " infraction " , then find a new way to screw the customer base .
If they actually had to pay , then they would stop , or go out of business - either way the consumer " wins " .I do n't have any evidence , but I 'll bet the " lease " deal came out of the DTV hacking that was so prevalent in the not to distant past .
If they own the equipment , they have more " rights " .It seems a lot of corporations use this cycle ; Telecom , Cable/Satellite , .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only "real" fix it to stop treating corporations like "humans".
They are a company regardless of their filing.Hold them responsible for their actions, and limit their ability to "pass on" the cost of their bad actions, so it truly affect their bottom line.
They don't care when they get "caught"; They "apologize"; then raise their fees/charges/rates/... to cover the cost of the "infraction", then find a new way to screw the customer base.
If they actually had to pay, then they would stop, or go out of business - either way the consumer "wins".I don't have any evidence, but I'll bet the "lease" deal came out of the DTV hacking that was so prevalent in the not to distant past.
If they own the equipment, they have more "rights".It seems a lot of corporations use this cycle; Telecom, Cable/Satellite, ...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513898</id>
	<title>Re:I had a bad experience with DirecTV DVR</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261419660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Odd.  My wife has both a DirecTV and a Dish mounted on our old house, where they've been for years.  My adult sons were starting school when Dish was mounted, and DirecTV went up about the time they started high school.  I've never heard a word about returning any equipment.  A newer Dish sits on the new house, quietly corroding, and they've never asked for that one either.  I know it's five years or more since we paid for that service.  The internet replaces some of her satellite viewing, and the new digital TV allows her to watch more channels from further away, so she just dropped all that crap.</p><p>I never thought any of it was worth the price.  99 channels are worth about ten bucks a month to me - hey, I can only watch one at a time, and I don't care about sports, porn, or 85\% of the rest of the trash on their programming.  Disney was alright - when the kids were little.  Today?  Cinderalla and the rest need to get a life to share between them, LMAO</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Odd .
My wife has both a DirecTV and a Dish mounted on our old house , where they 've been for years .
My adult sons were starting school when Dish was mounted , and DirecTV went up about the time they started high school .
I 've never heard a word about returning any equipment .
A newer Dish sits on the new house , quietly corroding , and they 've never asked for that one either .
I know it 's five years or more since we paid for that service .
The internet replaces some of her satellite viewing , and the new digital TV allows her to watch more channels from further away , so she just dropped all that crap.I never thought any of it was worth the price .
99 channels are worth about ten bucks a month to me - hey , I can only watch one at a time , and I do n't care about sports , porn , or 85 \ % of the rest of the trash on their programming .
Disney was alright - when the kids were little .
Today ? Cinderalla and the rest need to get a life to share between them , LMAO</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Odd.
My wife has both a DirecTV and a Dish mounted on our old house, where they've been for years.
My adult sons were starting school when Dish was mounted, and DirecTV went up about the time they started high school.
I've never heard a word about returning any equipment.
A newer Dish sits on the new house, quietly corroding, and they've never asked for that one either.
I know it's five years or more since we paid for that service.
The internet replaces some of her satellite viewing, and the new digital TV allows her to watch more channels from further away, so she just dropped all that crap.I never thought any of it was worth the price.
99 channels are worth about ten bucks a month to me - hey, I can only watch one at a time, and I don't care about sports, porn, or 85\% of the rest of the trash on their programming.
Disney was alright - when the kids were little.
Today?  Cinderalla and the rest need to get a life to share between them, LMAO</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30514296</id>
	<title>Re:Buying boxes</title>
	<author>penguin\_dance</author>
	<datestamp>1261421400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I never had any problems listed with DirecTV. Of course I didn't cancel early and yes I knew there was a contract when you get these things. It didn't cost that much and the installation was free. I think if I remember correctly the whole thing was free except that you have a two year contract. I never bought their DVR because logic dictates that it's not going to work if you ever cancel the service. Instead I got a DVD-R. This deal is really no different that the deal you get with cell phone companies where they give a free or discounted phone. (Don't have one of those either--I use a pay-as-you-go and bought my phone outright.)</p><p>I didn't have a problem canceling. They offered a deal (I expected that), but that was that. I liked the service, but I'm having to cut back, so it had to go. Since I was well beyond the contract term (and I'm sure the equipment is out of date) I didn't have to return the boxes, much less the dish. I haven't received any calls either.</p><p>And one thing I can say for them over Comcrap: They keep your original lineup. When Comcast took over Roadrunner on my mom's service, first they moved several of her favorite channels so that she had to get a box at $5 extra a month. Then they took them off without any announcement. We found out that she would have to pay extra to receive those channels! She dropped them and went to DirecTV. When DirecTV discontinued my particular package, they didn't remove any of my channels or make me pay extra.</p><p>The only thing I got burned on this way was with an alarm service. We purchase several hundred dollars of alarm equipment, only to find when we eventually canceled the monitoring service, it was shut down and we had no way (short of signing up with another alarm company) of running this ourselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I never had any problems listed with DirecTV .
Of course I did n't cancel early and yes I knew there was a contract when you get these things .
It did n't cost that much and the installation was free .
I think if I remember correctly the whole thing was free except that you have a two year contract .
I never bought their DVR because logic dictates that it 's not going to work if you ever cancel the service .
Instead I got a DVD-R. This deal is really no different that the deal you get with cell phone companies where they give a free or discounted phone .
( Do n't have one of those either--I use a pay-as-you-go and bought my phone outright .
) I did n't have a problem canceling .
They offered a deal ( I expected that ) , but that was that .
I liked the service , but I 'm having to cut back , so it had to go .
Since I was well beyond the contract term ( and I 'm sure the equipment is out of date ) I did n't have to return the boxes , much less the dish .
I have n't received any calls either.And one thing I can say for them over Comcrap : They keep your original lineup .
When Comcast took over Roadrunner on my mom 's service , first they moved several of her favorite channels so that she had to get a box at $ 5 extra a month .
Then they took them off without any announcement .
We found out that she would have to pay extra to receive those channels !
She dropped them and went to DirecTV .
When DirecTV discontinued my particular package , they did n't remove any of my channels or make me pay extra.The only thing I got burned on this way was with an alarm service .
We purchase several hundred dollars of alarm equipment , only to find when we eventually canceled the monitoring service , it was shut down and we had no way ( short of signing up with another alarm company ) of running this ourselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never had any problems listed with DirecTV.
Of course I didn't cancel early and yes I knew there was a contract when you get these things.
It didn't cost that much and the installation was free.
I think if I remember correctly the whole thing was free except that you have a two year contract.
I never bought their DVR because logic dictates that it's not going to work if you ever cancel the service.
Instead I got a DVD-R. This deal is really no different that the deal you get with cell phone companies where they give a free or discounted phone.
(Don't have one of those either--I use a pay-as-you-go and bought my phone outright.
)I didn't have a problem canceling.
They offered a deal (I expected that), but that was that.
I liked the service, but I'm having to cut back, so it had to go.
Since I was well beyond the contract term (and I'm sure the equipment is out of date) I didn't have to return the boxes, much less the dish.
I haven't received any calls either.And one thing I can say for them over Comcrap: They keep your original lineup.
When Comcast took over Roadrunner on my mom's service, first they moved several of her favorite channels so that she had to get a box at $5 extra a month.
Then they took them off without any announcement.
We found out that she would have to pay extra to receive those channels!
She dropped them and went to DirecTV.
When DirecTV discontinued my particular package, they didn't remove any of my channels or make me pay extra.The only thing I got burned on this way was with an alarm service.
We purchase several hundred dollars of alarm equipment, only to find when we eventually canceled the monitoring service, it was shut down and we had no way (short of signing up with another alarm company) of running this ourselves.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30514910</id>
	<title>They Hav e Treated Me Really Well!!</title>
	<author>arsenard</author>
	<datestamp>1261424100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just love Directv !!!

BestBuy is another matter !!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just love Directv ! ! !
BestBuy is another matter !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just love Directv !!!
BestBuy is another matter !
!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513144</id>
	<title>Re:I had a bad experience with DirecTV DVR</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261416300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dish is even worse on leaving - you don't own any of the equipment, if you quit in February, they demand you climb up on the icy roof to get their lnb to ship back, and they threaten to charge not only the early termination fee - but the full cost of the equipment if its "damaged" in any way - meaning if they find a scratch, they'll hit your credit card-  and better make sure the remotes are included.</p><p>Took a complaint to the BBB and countless calls to the escalated tech (which never returns calls - you have to catch them when they are off a call and in their seat).</p><p>I will never ever go with DTV, Dish, or comcast again. I'll take the netflix and stream the commercial free stuff to my tv instead.</p><p>Cheaper too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dish is even worse on leaving - you do n't own any of the equipment , if you quit in February , they demand you climb up on the icy roof to get their lnb to ship back , and they threaten to charge not only the early termination fee - but the full cost of the equipment if its " damaged " in any way - meaning if they find a scratch , they 'll hit your credit card- and better make sure the remotes are included.Took a complaint to the BBB and countless calls to the escalated tech ( which never returns calls - you have to catch them when they are off a call and in their seat ) .I will never ever go with DTV , Dish , or comcast again .
I 'll take the netflix and stream the commercial free stuff to my tv instead.Cheaper too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dish is even worse on leaving - you don't own any of the equipment, if you quit in February, they demand you climb up on the icy roof to get their lnb to ship back, and they threaten to charge not only the early termination fee - but the full cost of the equipment if its "damaged" in any way - meaning if they find a scratch, they'll hit your credit card-  and better make sure the remotes are included.Took a complaint to the BBB and countless calls to the escalated tech (which never returns calls - you have to catch them when they are off a call and in their seat).I will never ever go with DTV, Dish, or comcast again.
I'll take the netflix and stream the commercial free stuff to my tv instead.Cheaper too.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30515224</id>
	<title>The day is coming where...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261425360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...the state AGs need to quit just simply filing civil suits against these corporations that do evil things, but instead storm the homes of the corporate principals at 3AM with SWAT teams and arrest them for organized crime instead. And seize all their assets too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...the state AGs need to quit just simply filing civil suits against these corporations that do evil things , but instead storm the homes of the corporate principals at 3AM with SWAT teams and arrest them for organized crime instead .
And seize all their assets too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...the state AGs need to quit just simply filing civil suits against these corporations that do evil things, but instead storm the homes of the corporate principals at 3AM with SWAT teams and arrest them for organized crime instead.
And seize all their assets too.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513822</id>
	<title>FINALLY</title>
	<author>gearloos</author>
	<datestamp>1261419240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>THANK YOU... FINALLY SOMEONE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THESE THIEVES AT DIRECT TV
 I've been ripped off by these guys and I read every single thing I could over and over like 10 times and they still managed to trick me into $30.00 a month more than I was told I had signed up for.
Then theres the box you buy to not own. Like a leased car, you pay around $200.00 to  $250.00 for the privilege of renting the thing but they still own it, and charge you a monthly fee to rent it. F@#$king thieves!!
Class Action? Sign me up right here. I don't even care if the lawyers get all the money on this one, as long as it costs Direct TV a bankroll, then I'm happy here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>THANK YOU... FINALLY SOMEONE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THESE THIEVES AT DIRECT TV I 've been ripped off by these guys and I read every single thing I could over and over like 10 times and they still managed to trick me into $ 30.00 a month more than I was told I had signed up for .
Then theres the box you buy to not own .
Like a leased car , you pay around $ 200.00 to $ 250.00 for the privilege of renting the thing but they still own it , and charge you a monthly fee to rent it .
F @ # $ king thieves ! !
Class Action ?
Sign me up right here .
I do n't even care if the lawyers get all the money on this one , as long as it costs Direct TV a bankroll , then I 'm happy here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>THANK YOU... FINALLY SOMEONE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THESE THIEVES AT DIRECT TV
 I've been ripped off by these guys and I read every single thing I could over and over like 10 times and they still managed to trick me into $30.00 a month more than I was told I had signed up for.
Then theres the box you buy to not own.
Like a leased car, you pay around $200.00 to  $250.00 for the privilege of renting the thing but they still own it, and charge you a monthly fee to rent it.
F@#$king thieves!!
Class Action?
Sign me up right here.
I don't even care if the lawyers get all the money on this one, as long as it costs Direct TV a bankroll, then I'm happy here.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513064</id>
	<title>Re:Washington "State"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261416000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, that's what we do here in WA. It's the east coast bias, the same thing which makes a kitten getting stuck in a tree in the Bronx national news. There's a certain thing which seems to give them an undeserved sense of superiority. And, over time it gets really annoying because this is Washington, that is Washington D.C. We outnumber them by a huge margin, we're Washington.<br> <br>

The irony though is that much of what we do is superior to what they're doing over there. Remind me again who it is that has an effective measure against gerrymandering and who it is that has schools that are actually somewhat affordable?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , that 's what we do here in WA .
It 's the east coast bias , the same thing which makes a kitten getting stuck in a tree in the Bronx national news .
There 's a certain thing which seems to give them an undeserved sense of superiority .
And , over time it gets really annoying because this is Washington , that is Washington D.C. We outnumber them by a huge margin , we 're Washington .
The irony though is that much of what we do is superior to what they 're doing over there .
Remind me again who it is that has an effective measure against gerrymandering and who it is that has schools that are actually somewhat affordable ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, that's what we do here in WA.
It's the east coast bias, the same thing which makes a kitten getting stuck in a tree in the Bronx national news.
There's a certain thing which seems to give them an undeserved sense of superiority.
And, over time it gets really annoying because this is Washington, that is Washington D.C. We outnumber them by a huge margin, we're Washington.
The irony though is that much of what we do is superior to what they're doing over there.
Remind me again who it is that has an effective measure against gerrymandering and who it is that has schools that are actually somewhat affordable?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30515268</id>
	<title>Re:I had a bad experience with DirecTV DVR</title>
	<author>MBGMorden</author>
	<datestamp>1261425540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dish is indeed the worse of two evils if you're shopping for satellite service.</p><p>We had them over 10 years ago.  Paid $400 to have the system installed and setup.  It worked for 2-3 years and then the receiver died.  Is that covered?  Contract extension to replace it?  No - they wanted us to fork over full price to replace the unit (they were far cheaper to start up with a contract but that was "For new customers only.").   Ended up just giving up on them and got DirecTV installed and going for $49 (knock on wood, but so far I haven't had any trouble with DirecTV, but then again I have a basic no-HD/DVR setup that I have no intention of cancelling anytime soon).</p><p>What's bad is that during the digital switch, I decided to get a converter box for my TV.  I have locals via DirecTV already but occasionally it gets knocked out during bad weather so I always like to have the OTA option for those times.  After a bit of research into which converter boxes were the best, the two that got the best reviews were the Zenith unit (sold mostly by Circuit City), and the DISH Network unit.   I lived a good ways from the Circuity City, so I decided to just order the DISH unit.  Tried to order online and it said there was an error and gave a number to call.  I called the number and the sales associate explained to me that they noticed that I had previously been a DISH customer.  Also my local channels are available via their satellite service and they'd love to set me up again.  After telling them that I already was on DirecTV and already had local channels via satellite they informed me that by their policy they didn't sell converter boxes to their former satellite customers.</p><p>So yeah, I drove 80 miles to the nearest Circuit City (RIP) to get that Zenith box.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dish is indeed the worse of two evils if you 're shopping for satellite service.We had them over 10 years ago .
Paid $ 400 to have the system installed and setup .
It worked for 2-3 years and then the receiver died .
Is that covered ?
Contract extension to replace it ?
No - they wanted us to fork over full price to replace the unit ( they were far cheaper to start up with a contract but that was " For new customers only. " ) .
Ended up just giving up on them and got DirecTV installed and going for $ 49 ( knock on wood , but so far I have n't had any trouble with DirecTV , but then again I have a basic no-HD/DVR setup that I have no intention of cancelling anytime soon ) .What 's bad is that during the digital switch , I decided to get a converter box for my TV .
I have locals via DirecTV already but occasionally it gets knocked out during bad weather so I always like to have the OTA option for those times .
After a bit of research into which converter boxes were the best , the two that got the best reviews were the Zenith unit ( sold mostly by Circuit City ) , and the DISH Network unit .
I lived a good ways from the Circuity City , so I decided to just order the DISH unit .
Tried to order online and it said there was an error and gave a number to call .
I called the number and the sales associate explained to me that they noticed that I had previously been a DISH customer .
Also my local channels are available via their satellite service and they 'd love to set me up again .
After telling them that I already was on DirecTV and already had local channels via satellite they informed me that by their policy they did n't sell converter boxes to their former satellite customers.So yeah , I drove 80 miles to the nearest Circuit City ( RIP ) to get that Zenith box .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dish is indeed the worse of two evils if you're shopping for satellite service.We had them over 10 years ago.
Paid $400 to have the system installed and setup.
It worked for 2-3 years and then the receiver died.
Is that covered?
Contract extension to replace it?
No - they wanted us to fork over full price to replace the unit (they were far cheaper to start up with a contract but that was "For new customers only.").
Ended up just giving up on them and got DirecTV installed and going for $49 (knock on wood, but so far I haven't had any trouble with DirecTV, but then again I have a basic no-HD/DVR setup that I have no intention of cancelling anytime soon).What's bad is that during the digital switch, I decided to get a converter box for my TV.
I have locals via DirecTV already but occasionally it gets knocked out during bad weather so I always like to have the OTA option for those times.
After a bit of research into which converter boxes were the best, the two that got the best reviews were the Zenith unit (sold mostly by Circuit City), and the DISH Network unit.
I lived a good ways from the Circuity City, so I decided to just order the DISH unit.
Tried to order online and it said there was an error and gave a number to call.
I called the number and the sales associate explained to me that they noticed that I had previously been a DISH customer.
Also my local channels are available via their satellite service and they'd love to set me up again.
After telling them that I already was on DirecTV and already had local channels via satellite they informed me that by their policy they didn't sell converter boxes to their former satellite customers.So yeah, I drove 80 miles to the nearest Circuit City (RIP) to get that Zenith box.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30514408</id>
	<title>Re:Washington "State"</title>
	<author>pjt33</author>
	<datestamp>1261421880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I was born in Bangor. Which one comes to mind first?</p></div><p>The one in Wales. But out of curiosity, what do you expect people to say?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was born in Bangor .
Which one comes to mind first ? The one in Wales .
But out of curiosity , what do you expect people to say ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was born in Bangor.
Which one comes to mind first?The one in Wales.
But out of curiosity, what do you expect people to say?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30513990</id>
	<title>Re:I had a bad experience with DirecTV DVR</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261420020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, Comcast has gone the way of Verizon phone and are bastards, and Verizon wireless has become more like Verizon phone.  Sprint seems to be bonded to Comcast these days (offering wireless internet with them).  DirecTV sounds like they've gone off the deep end.  Dish sounds like the best but iffy.</p><p>What's one to do?  I need internet access and streaming.  Anything else I can get over the air free HDTV or streamed.  But everything where I am seems to not offer internet service independently.  What are people usuing?</p><p>"I will never ever go with DTV, Dish, or comcast again."</p><p>Speaking of which.</p><p>Comcast has gone to pot for about the last 3 years in my area.  Pay by phone?  $2.95.  "Speak" to a billing rep?  $4.95.  This is from their automated greeting when you select billing.</p><p>Forget the jacking up of the bill and removing channels.  They are more than $25 a month for less service than when I started with them 8 years ago.</p><p>And they don't even provide basic service right.  Last year, service was nearly out for November and December (after they increased the bill back then again).  4 tech visits confirmed the same thing, and yet the headend asses wouldn't do a truck roll.  Apparently, they need 2 tech visits to confirm before they do a truck roll, and in my case, they admitted they lost the order, and "had" to send a tech again.  Which they did again to get the work order through, and still sat on it for 3 days after that.</p><p>They finally get a truck roll scheduled, and bam, the problem goes away.  Someone apparently upgraded a box at the pole, then didn't bother to check or tune the signal strength going to the homes it served.</p><p>And then you call to request a refund for downed service, they claim they have no record of the outages.  Umm, how was the other person then able to explain to me what happened with the work at the pole?  Wonderful.</p><p>This year or last, they changed their website login to some crazy ass Flash or JS setup.  Can't login to pay bill in some browsers, like Opera.  So I have to send a mo/check, travel to their county office, or pay to pay by phone.  Lovely.  Also, some user account info isn't SSL'd.  They ignore that for 9 months.</p><p>Then 2 months later, they change the login AGAIN to some Comcast universal sign in (which says can only be accessed from Comcast high speed internet, a dubious claim either way but I haven't test this).  Yay, no Flash crazy login, I can log in!  And I do so to pay my bill...except their entire bill payment is some Flash/JS fiasco, so you can't use that now.</p><p>The funny thing is their billing system logs you out due to account inactivity, even as it sends you confirmation of payment 10 seconds ago.</p><p>And if are a week late on payment, they send you to collections or some 3rd party.  Interesting how much a person "calling on behalf of Comcast" knows about your account, some company in Connecticut with "Eastern" in it's name.  And their reps don't even bother confirming who you are before they spill account info.  Nice.</p><p>So please, what telco, satellite, or cable company out there has a clue?  Seems to me they are either cheating customers outright, utterly incompetent, or buggling to complicate customers ability and service.  Anyone?  With cell phones, I can live with T-Mobile's crappy signal, because everything else they do is at least decent or they don't seem to go out of their way to piss off customers.  In the TV arena, there is no 4th option that I know of, or is there?</p><p>How I wish I could just get a T3 line from a reputable company and for cheap and bypass all these asshole mega-corporations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , Comcast has gone the way of Verizon phone and are bastards , and Verizon wireless has become more like Verizon phone .
Sprint seems to be bonded to Comcast these days ( offering wireless internet with them ) .
DirecTV sounds like they 've gone off the deep end .
Dish sounds like the best but iffy.What 's one to do ?
I need internet access and streaming .
Anything else I can get over the air free HDTV or streamed .
But everything where I am seems to not offer internet service independently .
What are people usuing ?
" I will never ever go with DTV , Dish , or comcast again .
" Speaking of which.Comcast has gone to pot for about the last 3 years in my area .
Pay by phone ?
$ 2.95. " Speak " to a billing rep ?
$ 4.95. This is from their automated greeting when you select billing.Forget the jacking up of the bill and removing channels .
They are more than $ 25 a month for less service than when I started with them 8 years ago.And they do n't even provide basic service right .
Last year , service was nearly out for November and December ( after they increased the bill back then again ) .
4 tech visits confirmed the same thing , and yet the headend asses would n't do a truck roll .
Apparently , they need 2 tech visits to confirm before they do a truck roll , and in my case , they admitted they lost the order , and " had " to send a tech again .
Which they did again to get the work order through , and still sat on it for 3 days after that.They finally get a truck roll scheduled , and bam , the problem goes away .
Someone apparently upgraded a box at the pole , then did n't bother to check or tune the signal strength going to the homes it served.And then you call to request a refund for downed service , they claim they have no record of the outages .
Umm , how was the other person then able to explain to me what happened with the work at the pole ?
Wonderful.This year or last , they changed their website login to some crazy ass Flash or JS setup .
Ca n't login to pay bill in some browsers , like Opera .
So I have to send a mo/check , travel to their county office , or pay to pay by phone .
Lovely. Also , some user account info is n't SSL 'd .
They ignore that for 9 months.Then 2 months later , they change the login AGAIN to some Comcast universal sign in ( which says can only be accessed from Comcast high speed internet , a dubious claim either way but I have n't test this ) .
Yay , no Flash crazy login , I can log in !
And I do so to pay my bill...except their entire bill payment is some Flash/JS fiasco , so you ca n't use that now.The funny thing is their billing system logs you out due to account inactivity , even as it sends you confirmation of payment 10 seconds ago.And if are a week late on payment , they send you to collections or some 3rd party .
Interesting how much a person " calling on behalf of Comcast " knows about your account , some company in Connecticut with " Eastern " in it 's name .
And their reps do n't even bother confirming who you are before they spill account info .
Nice.So please , what telco , satellite , or cable company out there has a clue ?
Seems to me they are either cheating customers outright , utterly incompetent , or buggling to complicate customers ability and service .
Anyone ? With cell phones , I can live with T-Mobile 's crappy signal , because everything else they do is at least decent or they do n't seem to go out of their way to piss off customers .
In the TV arena , there is no 4th option that I know of , or is there ? How I wish I could just get a T3 line from a reputable company and for cheap and bypass all these asshole mega-corporations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, Comcast has gone the way of Verizon phone and are bastards, and Verizon wireless has become more like Verizon phone.
Sprint seems to be bonded to Comcast these days (offering wireless internet with them).
DirecTV sounds like they've gone off the deep end.
Dish sounds like the best but iffy.What's one to do?
I need internet access and streaming.
Anything else I can get over the air free HDTV or streamed.
But everything where I am seems to not offer internet service independently.
What are people usuing?
"I will never ever go with DTV, Dish, or comcast again.
"Speaking of which.Comcast has gone to pot for about the last 3 years in my area.
Pay by phone?
$2.95.  "Speak" to a billing rep?
$4.95.  This is from their automated greeting when you select billing.Forget the jacking up of the bill and removing channels.
They are more than $25 a month for less service than when I started with them 8 years ago.And they don't even provide basic service right.
Last year, service was nearly out for November and December (after they increased the bill back then again).
4 tech visits confirmed the same thing, and yet the headend asses wouldn't do a truck roll.
Apparently, they need 2 tech visits to confirm before they do a truck roll, and in my case, they admitted they lost the order, and "had" to send a tech again.
Which they did again to get the work order through, and still sat on it for 3 days after that.They finally get a truck roll scheduled, and bam, the problem goes away.
Someone apparently upgraded a box at the pole, then didn't bother to check or tune the signal strength going to the homes it served.And then you call to request a refund for downed service, they claim they have no record of the outages.
Umm, how was the other person then able to explain to me what happened with the work at the pole?
Wonderful.This year or last, they changed their website login to some crazy ass Flash or JS setup.
Can't login to pay bill in some browsers, like Opera.
So I have to send a mo/check, travel to their county office, or pay to pay by phone.
Lovely.  Also, some user account info isn't SSL'd.
They ignore that for 9 months.Then 2 months later, they change the login AGAIN to some Comcast universal sign in (which says can only be accessed from Comcast high speed internet, a dubious claim either way but I haven't test this).
Yay, no Flash crazy login, I can log in!
And I do so to pay my bill...except their entire bill payment is some Flash/JS fiasco, so you can't use that now.The funny thing is their billing system logs you out due to account inactivity, even as it sends you confirmation of payment 10 seconds ago.And if are a week late on payment, they send you to collections or some 3rd party.
Interesting how much a person "calling on behalf of Comcast" knows about your account, some company in Connecticut with "Eastern" in it's name.
And their reps don't even bother confirming who you are before they spill account info.
Nice.So please, what telco, satellite, or cable company out there has a clue?
Seems to me they are either cheating customers outright, utterly incompetent, or buggling to complicate customers ability and service.
Anyone?  With cell phones, I can live with T-Mobile's crappy signal, because everything else they do is at least decent or they don't seem to go out of their way to piss off customers.
In the TV arena, there is no 4th option that I know of, or is there?How I wish I could just get a T3 line from a reputable company and for cheap and bypass all these asshole mega-corporations.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30517042</id>
	<title>Re:I had a bad experience with DirecTV DVR</title>
	<author>plague3106</author>
	<datestamp>1261391160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why rely on the state to fix these issues?  If they're doing something wrong, tell tehm to pound sand AND DON'T PAY.</p><p>I did this with a credit card dispute; no lawsuit ever filed, and the hit on my credit score amounted to nothing; I still got a great mortgage and other cards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why rely on the state to fix these issues ?
If they 're doing something wrong , tell tehm to pound sand AND DO N'T PAY.I did this with a credit card dispute ; no lawsuit ever filed , and the hit on my credit score amounted to nothing ; I still got a great mortgage and other cards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why rely on the state to fix these issues?
If they're doing something wrong, tell tehm to pound sand AND DON'T PAY.I did this with a credit card dispute; no lawsuit ever filed, and the hit on my credit score amounted to nothing; I still got a great mortgage and other cards.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30515294</id>
	<title>Rob McKenna</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261425660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought Rob McKenna was the Rain God from So Long and Thanks for All the Fish...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought Rob McKenna was the Rain God from So Long and Thanks for All the Fish.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought Rob McKenna was the Rain God from So Long and Thanks for All the Fish...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_21_1513253.30514758</id>
	<title>Re:It's about time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261423380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>DirectTV had been strong arming alleged theft of service cases to force many innocent people to pay large amounts and settle out of court.  It's about time that they get busted for other strong arm tactics that they are doing to customers.  This company has been extorting money for years.  It's finally about time someone goes after them!</p></div><p>True statement.  I was a target of DTV's "theft of service" racket 5 or so years ago.</p><p>They demanded a $4000 settlement because I had purchased a smart card programmer from a company that had been implicated in producing hacked DTV smart cards.  That was the only "evidence" that they had, and in fact, I maintained a subscription with DTV for years prior (including subscribing to a lot of premium content).</p><p>I told them (via my lawyer) to go piss up a rope.  They never filed suit.</p><p>FWIW, as bad as Comcast is, they're way better than DTV.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>DirectTV had been strong arming alleged theft of service cases to force many innocent people to pay large amounts and settle out of court .
It 's about time that they get busted for other strong arm tactics that they are doing to customers .
This company has been extorting money for years .
It 's finally about time someone goes after them ! True statement .
I was a target of DTV 's " theft of service " racket 5 or so years ago.They demanded a $ 4000 settlement because I had purchased a smart card programmer from a company that had been implicated in producing hacked DTV smart cards .
That was the only " evidence " that they had , and in fact , I maintained a subscription with DTV for years prior ( including subscribing to a lot of premium content ) .I told them ( via my lawyer ) to go piss up a rope .
They never filed suit.FWIW , as bad as Comcast is , they 're way better than DTV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DirectTV had been strong arming alleged theft of service cases to force many innocent people to pay large amounts and settle out of court.
It's about time that they get busted for other strong arm tactics that they are doing to customers.
This company has been extorting money for years.
It's finally about time someone goes after them!True statement.
I was a target of DTV's "theft of service" racket 5 or so years ago.They demanded a $4000 settlement because I had purchased a smart card programmer from a company that had been implicated in producing hacked DTV smart cards.
That was the only "evidence" that they had, and in fact, I maintained a subscription with DTV for years prior (including subscribing to a lot of premium content).I told them (via my lawyer) to go piss up a rope.
They never filed suit.FWIW, as bad as Comcast is, they're way better than DTV.
	</sentencetext>
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