<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_20_227224</id>
	<title>AU Authority Moves To Censor Net Filtering Protest Site</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1261333020000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"On Friday the Sydney Morning Herald reported that an Internet censorship protest site had been set up under the banner '<a href="http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/spoof-conroy-website-protests-at-internet-filter-plan-20091218-l1bn.html">Stephen Conroy: Minister for Fascism</a>' and was ironically registered under the very name of the Australian Communications Minister responsible for trying to mandate the compulsory filtering scheme in federal law, stephenconroy.com.au. Within hours of the story being published, auDA, the Australian Domain Name Authority, had <a href="http://stephen-conroy.com/page.php?4">shut down the site, giving the owners only 3 hours to respond</a> to a request to justify their eligibility for the domain. Normally auDA would allow several days to weeks for this process. An appeal to request an extension was denied, with no reason given. The site was quickly moved to a US domain, stephen-conroy.com in order to stay active while the dispute with auDA is resolved."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " On Friday the Sydney Morning Herald reported that an Internet censorship protest site had been set up under the banner 'Stephen Conroy : Minister for Fascism ' and was ironically registered under the very name of the Australian Communications Minister responsible for trying to mandate the compulsory filtering scheme in federal law , stephenconroy.com.au .
Within hours of the story being published , auDA , the Australian Domain Name Authority , had shut down the site , giving the owners only 3 hours to respond to a request to justify their eligibility for the domain .
Normally auDA would allow several days to weeks for this process .
An appeal to request an extension was denied , with no reason given .
The site was quickly moved to a US domain , stephen-conroy.com in order to stay active while the dispute with auDA is resolved .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "On Friday the Sydney Morning Herald reported that an Internet censorship protest site had been set up under the banner 'Stephen Conroy: Minister for Fascism' and was ironically registered under the very name of the Australian Communications Minister responsible for trying to mandate the compulsory filtering scheme in federal law, stephenconroy.com.au.
Within hours of the story being published, auDA, the Australian Domain Name Authority, had shut down the site, giving the owners only 3 hours to respond to a request to justify their eligibility for the domain.
Normally auDA would allow several days to weeks for this process.
An appeal to request an extension was denied, with no reason given.
The site was quickly moved to a US domain, stephen-conroy.com in order to stay active while the dispute with auDA is resolved.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30511716</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>Joolz50</author>
	<datestamp>1261408920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm in the States, and Steven Conroy makes me want to punch him.</p></div><p>Here is a plane ticket. You will get your Australian citizenship when Conroy shows up to a press conference with a black eye.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm in the States , and Steven Conroy makes me want to punch him.Here is a plane ticket .
You will get your Australian citizenship when Conroy shows up to a press conference with a black eye .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm in the States, and Steven Conroy makes me want to punch him.Here is a plane ticket.
You will get your Australian citizenship when Conroy shows up to a press conference with a black eye.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509848</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30514104</id>
	<title>Re:welcome to a labor government</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261420500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>this is what labor are all about, they are all about making everyone tow the line,</p></div><p>"Tow the line"? Do you think that expression is about fishing? Learn to speak English properly, wanker.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>this is what labor are all about , they are all about making everyone tow the line , " Tow the line " ?
Do you think that expression is about fishing ?
Learn to speak English properly , wanker .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is what labor are all about, they are all about making everyone tow the line,"Tow the line"?
Do you think that expression is about fishing?
Learn to speak English properly, wanker.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509640</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510520</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>Dhalka226</author>
	<datestamp>1261396200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If there's *any* sort of speech that needs protecting, it's "controversial" political speech</p></div></blockquote><p>I'm all for protecting free speech, but that does not mean we need to protect every manner of expressing that speech.  You don't get to go through town on a loudspeaker at 2am without getting cited for noise ordinances just because your message happens to be "VOTE OUT OBAMA!"  You don't get to spray paint your message on my garage.  We already accept sensible limits on these means of expression without necessarily supporting censorship of the message, and that is rightly so.

</p><p>In that same vein, I have absolutely no problem with the website saying WHATEVER it wants about Senator Conroy and his Internet filtering crap.  In fact I applaud it.  I do NOT think that having something to say about him entitles them to a domain name compromised entirely of his name, particularly when registering such a domain appears to be in violation of the registration rules.  If they want to create an organization called No To Conroy or some such, and register notoconroy.com.au or notoconroy.org.au or what-have-you, more power to them.  Keep the message out there.  Just not like this.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If there 's * any * sort of speech that needs protecting , it 's " controversial " political speechI 'm all for protecting free speech , but that does not mean we need to protect every manner of expressing that speech .
You do n't get to go through town on a loudspeaker at 2am without getting cited for noise ordinances just because your message happens to be " VOTE OUT OBAMA !
" You do n't get to spray paint your message on my garage .
We already accept sensible limits on these means of expression without necessarily supporting censorship of the message , and that is rightly so .
In that same vein , I have absolutely no problem with the website saying WHATEVER it wants about Senator Conroy and his Internet filtering crap .
In fact I applaud it .
I do NOT think that having something to say about him entitles them to a domain name compromised entirely of his name , particularly when registering such a domain appears to be in violation of the registration rules .
If they want to create an organization called No To Conroy or some such , and register notoconroy.com.au or notoconroy.org.au or what-have-you , more power to them .
Keep the message out there .
Just not like this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If there's *any* sort of speech that needs protecting, it's "controversial" political speechI'm all for protecting free speech, but that does not mean we need to protect every manner of expressing that speech.
You don't get to go through town on a loudspeaker at 2am without getting cited for noise ordinances just because your message happens to be "VOTE OUT OBAMA!
"  You don't get to spray paint your message on my garage.
We already accept sensible limits on these means of expression without necessarily supporting censorship of the message, and that is rightly so.
In that same vein, I have absolutely no problem with the website saying WHATEVER it wants about Senator Conroy and his Internet filtering crap.
In fact I applaud it.
I do NOT think that having something to say about him entitles them to a domain name compromised entirely of his name, particularly when registering such a domain appears to be in violation of the registration rules.
If they want to create an organization called No To Conroy or some such, and register notoconroy.com.au or notoconroy.org.au or what-have-you, more power to them.
Keep the message out there.
Just not like this.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509848</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30520824</id>
	<title>Now he is working on the roads...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261421220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>C/- the Sydney Morning Herald - <a href="http://digihub.smh.com.au/node/1484" title="smh.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://digihub.smh.com.au/node/1484</a> [smh.com.au]</htmltext>
<tokenext>C/- the Sydney Morning Herald - http : //digihub.smh.com.au/node/1484 [ smh.com.au ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>C/- the Sydney Morning Herald - http://digihub.smh.com.au/node/1484 [smh.com.au]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509616</id>
	<title>Re:To be fair...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261338360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if the website is about Stephen Conroy than it has a definate claim to legitimacy.</p><p>Otherwise it could argued that any website named after what it is about is illegitimate if it is not actually that thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if the website is about Stephen Conroy than it has a definate claim to legitimacy.Otherwise it could argued that any website named after what it is about is illegitimate if it is not actually that thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if the website is about Stephen Conroy than it has a definate claim to legitimacy.Otherwise it could argued that any website named after what it is about is illegitimate if it is not actually that thing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509538</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30511178</id>
	<title>I recommend</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261405020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>that we start registering urls like</p><p>stephen-conroy.co.uk<br>stephen-conroy.gl<br>stephen-conroy.dk<br>stephen-conroy.se<br>stephen-conroy.fi<br>stephen-conroy.is<br>stephen-conroy.nl<br>stephen-conroy.de</p><p>etc...</p><p>that should send a warning to others playing the same game.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>that we start registering urls likestephen-conroy.co.ukstephen-conroy.glstephen-conroy.dkstephen-conroy.sestephen-conroy.fistephen-conroy.isstephen-conroy.nlstephen-conroy.deetc...that should send a warning to others playing the same game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that we start registering urls likestephen-conroy.co.ukstephen-conroy.glstephen-conroy.dkstephen-conroy.sestephen-conroy.fistephen-conroy.isstephen-conroy.nlstephen-conroy.deetc...that should send a warning to others playing the same game.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510222</id>
	<title>Very sad</title>
	<author>bryan1945</author>
	<datestamp>1261392180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am not be condicending.  It seems all countries' rights are being eroded quickly, but Australia seems to be going quicker than most.  As a US citizen, I'm thinking of just buying some cheap woodland and building a cabin.  Eating squirrels and cooking over a fire would stink, but at least no one would come to put me in prison for something I didn't even know I did.</p><p>(Hi NSA/Echelon!  Hope you are having a nice day.  I once threw a paper cup out my car window.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not be condicending .
It seems all countries ' rights are being eroded quickly , but Australia seems to be going quicker than most .
As a US citizen , I 'm thinking of just buying some cheap woodland and building a cabin .
Eating squirrels and cooking over a fire would stink , but at least no one would come to put me in prison for something I did n't even know I did .
( Hi NSA/Echelon !
Hope you are having a nice day .
I once threw a paper cup out my car window .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not be condicending.
It seems all countries' rights are being eroded quickly, but Australia seems to be going quicker than most.
As a US citizen, I'm thinking of just buying some cheap woodland and building a cabin.
Eating squirrels and cooking over a fire would stink, but at least no one would come to put me in prison for something I didn't even know I did.
(Hi NSA/Echelon!
Hope you are having a nice day.
I once threw a paper cup out my car window.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509750</id>
	<title>Re:To be fair...</title>
	<author>rastilin</author>
	<datestamp>1261427400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm no fan of Stephen Conroy's Great Wall of Australia, but the owners of the site in question can't have any claim to legitimacy if they fraudulently use someone else's name to register it.</p></div><p>That's a legitimate reason to take their domain away, not censor it. The main reason people complained about the great firewall is the fear that it might be used to silence speech the government dissaproves of. How is this not a direct example of just such a thing?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm no fan of Stephen Conroy 's Great Wall of Australia , but the owners of the site in question ca n't have any claim to legitimacy if they fraudulently use someone else 's name to register it.That 's a legitimate reason to take their domain away , not censor it .
The main reason people complained about the great firewall is the fear that it might be used to silence speech the government dissaproves of .
How is this not a direct example of just such a thing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm no fan of Stephen Conroy's Great Wall of Australia, but the owners of the site in question can't have any claim to legitimacy if they fraudulently use someone else's name to register it.That's a legitimate reason to take their domain away, not censor it.
The main reason people complained about the great firewall is the fear that it might be used to silence speech the government dissaproves of.
How is this not a direct example of just such a thing?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509538</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510086</id>
	<title>Re:Now does everyone realise</title>
	<author>bh\_doc</author>
	<datestamp>1261389720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't hold much faith in the Greens in this area when they pull stunts like this: <a href="http://www.nointernetcensorship.com/node/54" title="nointernetcensorship.com">http://www.nointernetcensorship.com/node/54</a> [nointernetcensorship.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't hold much faith in the Greens in this area when they pull stunts like this : http : //www.nointernetcensorship.com/node/54 [ nointernetcensorship.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't hold much faith in the Greens in this area when they pull stunts like this: http://www.nointernetcensorship.com/node/54 [nointernetcensorship.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509834</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30514656</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261423020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More Jewish censorship.</p><p>Who wants to control the internet? The eternal Jew.</p><p>Who is telling Australia's government what to do? The Jew, not the Australian people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More Jewish censorship.Who wants to control the internet ?
The eternal Jew.Who is telling Australia 's government what to do ?
The Jew , not the Australian people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More Jewish censorship.Who wants to control the internet?
The eternal Jew.Who is telling Australia's government what to do?
The Jew, not the Australian people.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509534</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30512838</id>
	<title>Re:Very sad</title>
	<author>dkleinsc</author>
	<datestamp>1261415100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Eating squirrels and cooking over a fire would stink, but at least no one would come to put me in prison for something I didn't even know I did.</p></div><p>What about when the Fish &amp; Game department gets you for hunting squirrels out of season?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>(Hi NSA/Echelon! Hope you are having a nice day. I once threw a paper cup out my car window.)</p></div><p>Also, just for that, I'm going to have to ask you to go sit on that bench over there marked "Group W", with all the mother-rapers, father-stabbers, and father-rapers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Eating squirrels and cooking over a fire would stink , but at least no one would come to put me in prison for something I did n't even know I did.What about when the Fish &amp; Game department gets you for hunting squirrels out of season ?
( Hi NSA/Echelon !
Hope you are having a nice day .
I once threw a paper cup out my car window .
) Also , just for that , I 'm going to have to ask you to go sit on that bench over there marked " Group W " , with all the mother-rapers , father-stabbers , and father-rapers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eating squirrels and cooking over a fire would stink, but at least no one would come to put me in prison for something I didn't even know I did.What about when the Fish &amp; Game department gets you for hunting squirrels out of season?
(Hi NSA/Echelon!
Hope you are having a nice day.
I once threw a paper cup out my car window.
)Also, just for that, I'm going to have to ask you to go sit on that bench over there marked "Group W", with all the mother-rapers, father-stabbers, and father-rapers.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510222</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509754</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>b4upoo</author>
	<datestamp>1261427520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>        I'm not so certain that a mature or even polite action is called for when censorship is involved. When one's ability to speak or receive communications are limited by some kind of authority then action, even violent action, is justified. Basic freedoms are not up for debate. The needs of society bear no weight against personal freedoms and liberties. Freedom of speech is an absolute. It is hard to justify it in the most extreme circumstances. For example you may pass a law that one can not scream fire in a crowded theater and by so doing cause a lot of deaths because sometimes there really is a fire in a crowded theater.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; In the US we have been undergoing a period of sexual repression. Things like adult films and publications as well as prostitution and some really absurd laws regarding young people and sex have been all the rage for the last twenty or so years. Frankly it seems to have created a whole lot of sexually off tract individuals and generated a lot of crime as well. It may also be contributing to drug use and alcoholism as well as suicides. And you don't even want to consider the millions upon millions of dollars spent it controlling sexual communications.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not so certain that a mature or even polite action is called for when censorship is involved .
When one 's ability to speak or receive communications are limited by some kind of authority then action , even violent action , is justified .
Basic freedoms are not up for debate .
The needs of society bear no weight against personal freedoms and liberties .
Freedom of speech is an absolute .
It is hard to justify it in the most extreme circumstances .
For example you may pass a law that one can not scream fire in a crowded theater and by so doing cause a lot of deaths because sometimes there really is a fire in a crowded theater .
              In the US we have been undergoing a period of sexual repression .
Things like adult films and publications as well as prostitution and some really absurd laws regarding young people and sex have been all the rage for the last twenty or so years .
Frankly it seems to have created a whole lot of sexually off tract individuals and generated a lot of crime as well .
It may also be contributing to drug use and alcoholism as well as suicides .
And you do n't even want to consider the millions upon millions of dollars spent it controlling sexual communications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>        I'm not so certain that a mature or even polite action is called for when censorship is involved.
When one's ability to speak or receive communications are limited by some kind of authority then action, even violent action, is justified.
Basic freedoms are not up for debate.
The needs of society bear no weight against personal freedoms and liberties.
Freedom of speech is an absolute.
It is hard to justify it in the most extreme circumstances.
For example you may pass a law that one can not scream fire in a crowded theater and by so doing cause a lot of deaths because sometimes there really is a fire in a crowded theater.
              In the US we have been undergoing a period of sexual repression.
Things like adult films and publications as well as prostitution and some really absurd laws regarding young people and sex have been all the rage for the last twenty or so years.
Frankly it seems to have created a whole lot of sexually off tract individuals and generated a lot of crime as well.
It may also be contributing to drug use and alcoholism as well as suicides.
And you don't even want to consider the millions upon millions of dollars spent it controlling sexual communications.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30513320</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261417080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i believe fraud has a narrower definition than that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i believe fraud has a narrower definition than that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i believe fraud has a narrower definition than that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510306</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261392960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They registered the site using a name of a natural person. If Australia does have the same domain registration rules as some other countries,  the natural person has always the right over the name and can challenge the any other users. Additionally, other registered names and trademarks could be protected the same way. This information could be found doing some gentle googling but I'm not currently in the mood for that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They registered the site using a name of a natural person .
If Australia does have the same domain registration rules as some other countries , the natural person has always the right over the name and can challenge the any other users .
Additionally , other registered names and trademarks could be protected the same way .
This information could be found doing some gentle googling but I 'm not currently in the mood for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They registered the site using a name of a natural person.
If Australia does have the same domain registration rules as some other countries,  the natural person has always the right over the name and can challenge the any other users.
Additionally, other registered names and trademarks could be protected the same way.
This information could be found doing some gentle googling but I'm not currently in the mood for that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509848</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510474</id>
	<title>Re:For what it's worth</title>
	<author>Inda</author>
	<datestamp>1261395360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does some other poor unfortunate Australian sole share his name with Stephen Conroy?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does some other poor unfortunate Australian sole share his name with Stephen Conroy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does some other poor unfortunate Australian sole share his name with Stephen Conroy?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30519078</id>
	<title>Re:The world is global now.</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1261405320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's time Australia figures that out.</p></div></blockquote><p>

We have, that's why you keep hearing about this thing.<br> <br>

The problem is that most Australian's don't know what the full effects of this will be. Besides this the day the filter begins to effect broadband sales is the day that most ISP's include a VPN account into Sweden or somewhere similar as a standard part of their plans. They'll even sell a router pre-configured to use the VPN tunnel by default. Given the current abysmal speeds in Australia most people wont notice.<br> <br>

However, I give it until shortly after the next federal election (2010 for us) for Conroy to be replaced. Elections are easy ways for the Prime Minister to replace other more embarrassing politicians without upsetting people or showing weakness (no party does a cabinet reshuffle mid term unless there is a very very big problem). Whilst the filter debacle is causing minimal embarrassment Conroy is receiving flak on all sides about the NBN, this should get him replaced. Maybe will get rid of Atkinson too, double win.</p></div>
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<tokenext>It 's time Australia figures that out .
We have , that 's why you keep hearing about this thing .
The problem is that most Australian 's do n't know what the full effects of this will be .
Besides this the day the filter begins to effect broadband sales is the day that most ISP 's include a VPN account into Sweden or somewhere similar as a standard part of their plans .
They 'll even sell a router pre-configured to use the VPN tunnel by default .
Given the current abysmal speeds in Australia most people wont notice .
However , I give it until shortly after the next federal election ( 2010 for us ) for Conroy to be replaced .
Elections are easy ways for the Prime Minister to replace other more embarrassing politicians without upsetting people or showing weakness ( no party does a cabinet reshuffle mid term unless there is a very very big problem ) .
Whilst the filter debacle is causing minimal embarrassment Conroy is receiving flak on all sides about the NBN , this should get him replaced .
Maybe will get rid of Atkinson too , double win .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's time Australia figures that out.
We have, that's why you keep hearing about this thing.
The problem is that most Australian's don't know what the full effects of this will be.
Besides this the day the filter begins to effect broadband sales is the day that most ISP's include a VPN account into Sweden or somewhere similar as a standard part of their plans.
They'll even sell a router pre-configured to use the VPN tunnel by default.
Given the current abysmal speeds in Australia most people wont notice.
However, I give it until shortly after the next federal election (2010 for us) for Conroy to be replaced.
Elections are easy ways for the Prime Minister to replace other more embarrassing politicians without upsetting people or showing weakness (no party does a cabinet reshuffle mid term unless there is a very very big problem).
Whilst the filter debacle is causing minimal embarrassment Conroy is receiving flak on all sides about the NBN, this should get him replaced.
Maybe will get rid of Atkinson too, double win.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510752</id>
	<title>This would have worked better if ...</title>
	<author>Skapare</author>
	<datestamp>1261399140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... the domain name being registered was stephen-conroy-facist.com.au or stephen-conroy-destroys-freedom.com.au or something like that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... the domain name being registered was stephen-conroy-facist.com.au or stephen-conroy-destroys-freedom.com.au or something like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... the domain name being registered was stephen-conroy-facist.com.au or stephen-conroy-destroys-freedom.com.au or something like that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30515934</id>
	<title>Re:The world is global now.</title>
	<author>zsau</author>
	<datestamp>1261428900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The entire censorship debacle, and this (only tangentially related) website takedown, are grossly misrepresented in the media, and especially at Slashdot. The censorship regime is exactly the same as the one that applies to any media: In other words, it must be rated and enforced, or it's unavailable. The assumed rules are a little different from domestic and foreign websites, but if the foreign website respects the Australian rules they get treated differently. The censorship is also perfect because it's so simple: it's not meant to be a proper censorship system, but something similar to what we already have for other kinds of media in Australia.</p><p>This thing here isn't censorship at all, it's stopping fraud. It's not much different from if you tried to register a domain in my name. If it was censorship, you wouldn't be able to access stephen-conroy.com from Australia any more, but you clearly can.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The entire censorship debacle , and this ( only tangentially related ) website takedown , are grossly misrepresented in the media , and especially at Slashdot .
The censorship regime is exactly the same as the one that applies to any media : In other words , it must be rated and enforced , or it 's unavailable .
The assumed rules are a little different from domestic and foreign websites , but if the foreign website respects the Australian rules they get treated differently .
The censorship is also perfect because it 's so simple : it 's not meant to be a proper censorship system , but something similar to what we already have for other kinds of media in Australia.This thing here is n't censorship at all , it 's stopping fraud .
It 's not much different from if you tried to register a domain in my name .
If it was censorship , you would n't be able to access stephen-conroy.com from Australia any more , but you clearly can .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The entire censorship debacle, and this (only tangentially related) website takedown, are grossly misrepresented in the media, and especially at Slashdot.
The censorship regime is exactly the same as the one that applies to any media: In other words, it must be rated and enforced, or it's unavailable.
The assumed rules are a little different from domestic and foreign websites, but if the foreign website respects the Australian rules they get treated differently.
The censorship is also perfect because it's so simple: it's not meant to be a proper censorship system, but something similar to what we already have for other kinds of media in Australia.This thing here isn't censorship at all, it's stopping fraud.
It's not much different from if you tried to register a domain in my name.
If it was censorship, you wouldn't be able to access stephen-conroy.com from Australia any more, but you clearly can.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510850</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>rolfwind</author>
	<datestamp>1261400520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I think this is somewhat justified. Sure, where do you draw the line but this site was registered under a false name -- that of someone in Parliament. There's always the mature way and the immature way to handle things, and in this case with the people who created the same, they took the immature route. There's a time and a place for things, this sort of thing is more suited to personal jokes between friends and groups on Facebook.</p></div></blockquote><p>Your argument reminds me of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien\_and\_Sedition\_Acts" title="wikipedia.org">Alien &amp; Sedition Acts</a> [wikipedia.org] which would have made it a crime to criticize or mock the upper members of Government.  Well, that is free speech.</p><p>Furthermore, the "mature/immature" argument is often just a deflection from the real argument, inserting in it's place an ad hom attack on the attackers in its place.  No substance.  Time/place is a further deflection.</p><p>I wonder, if you had your way, would <a href="http://www.paypalsucks.com/" title="paypalsucks.com">this site</a> [paypalsucks.com] be banned because it's a "false name" and not really paypal, or it's not following some gentlemen's agreement about protocol?</p><p>Or how about the now-defunct but infamous whitehouse.com?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this is somewhat justified .
Sure , where do you draw the line but this site was registered under a false name -- that of someone in Parliament .
There 's always the mature way and the immature way to handle things , and in this case with the people who created the same , they took the immature route .
There 's a time and a place for things , this sort of thing is more suited to personal jokes between friends and groups on Facebook.Your argument reminds me of the Alien &amp; Sedition Acts [ wikipedia.org ] which would have made it a crime to criticize or mock the upper members of Government .
Well , that is free speech.Furthermore , the " mature/immature " argument is often just a deflection from the real argument , inserting in it 's place an ad hom attack on the attackers in its place .
No substance .
Time/place is a further deflection.I wonder , if you had your way , would this site [ paypalsucks.com ] be banned because it 's a " false name " and not really paypal , or it 's not following some gentlemen 's agreement about protocol ? Or how about the now-defunct but infamous whitehouse.com ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this is somewhat justified.
Sure, where do you draw the line but this site was registered under a false name -- that of someone in Parliament.
There's always the mature way and the immature way to handle things, and in this case with the people who created the same, they took the immature route.
There's a time and a place for things, this sort of thing is more suited to personal jokes between friends and groups on Facebook.Your argument reminds me of the Alien &amp; Sedition Acts [wikipedia.org] which would have made it a crime to criticize or mock the upper members of Government.
Well, that is free speech.Furthermore, the "mature/immature" argument is often just a deflection from the real argument, inserting in it's place an ad hom attack on the attackers in its place.
No substance.
Time/place is a further deflection.I wonder, if you had your way, would this site [paypalsucks.com] be banned because it's a "false name" and not really paypal, or it's not following some gentlemen's agreement about protocol?Or how about the now-defunct but infamous whitehouse.com?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510864</id>
	<title>com is not a US domain</title>
	<author>Skapare</author>
	<datestamp>1261400760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The TLD "com" is not a US domain.  It is a world-wide top level domain.  Aussies are just as eligible for it.  And the actual site hosting is still in Australia:</p><blockquote><div><p> <tt>traceroute to stephen-conroy.com (202.174.225.243), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets<br>...<br>16 ae-21-69.car1.SanJose2.Level3.net (4.68.18.11) 113.907 ms 122.092 ms 208.463 ms<br>17 PRIMUS-TELE.car1.SanJose2.Level3.net (4.59.0.58) 89.807 ms 91.116 ms 89.976 ms<br>18 p3-0.cr2-sjc2.primustel.com (209.227.128.202) 88.329 ms 87.974 ms 89.192 ms<br>19 p3-0.cr1-sjc2.primustel.com (209.227.128.137) 88.078 ms 88.084 ms 89.717 ms<br>20 209.227.129.242 (209.227.129.242) 537.434 ms 544.115 ms 545.142 ms<br>21 193.233-50-210.static.corp.mel.iprimus.net.au (210.50.233.193) 509.382 ms 489.600 ms 453.880 ms<br>22 ge1-1.sw02.mel.idc.iprimus.net.au (210.50.0.10) 426.940 ms 407.743 ms 385.031 ms<br>23 hyperlink.idc.iprimus.net.au (210.50.3.156) 362.932 ms 326.418 ms 296.706 ms<br>...</tt></p></div> </blockquote><p>And the IP address is under this network:</p><blockquote><div><p> <tt>inetnum:   202.174.224.0 - 202.174.255.255<br>netname:   SWISH<br>descr:    Swish Group Ltd.<br>descr:    Corporate Data Centre<br>descr:    Melbourne<br>country:   AU<br>admin-c:   RH115-AP<br>tech-c:   MS93-AP<br>mnt-by:   APNIC-HM<br>mnt-lower:  MAINT-AU-SWISH<br>changed:   hostmaster@apnic.net 20000515<br>status:   ALLOCATED PORTABLE<br>changed:   hm-changed@apnic.net 20030121<br>source:   APNIC<br> <br>person:   Rodney Hamill<br>address:   Level 6, 257 Collins St<br>address:   Melbourne 3000<br>country:   AU<br>phone:    +61 3 9211 XXXX<br>fax-no:   +61 3 9211 XXXX<br>e-mail:   xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.com.au<br>nic-hdl:   RH115-AP<br>mnt-by:   MAINT-AU-SWISH<br>changed:   xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.com.au 20010711<br>source:   APNIC<br> <br>person:   Michael Samuel<br>address:   Level 6, 492 St Kilda Road<br>address:   Melbourne VIC 3004<br>country:   AU<br>phone:    +61-3-9820-XXXX<br>fax-no:   +61-3-9820-XXXX<br>e-mail:   xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.net.au<br>nic-hdl:   MS93-AP<br>mnt-by:   MAINT-AU-SWISH<br>changed:   xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.com.au 20000509<br>source:   APNIC</tt></p></div> </blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The TLD " com " is not a US domain .
It is a world-wide top level domain .
Aussies are just as eligible for it .
And the actual site hosting is still in Australia : traceroute to stephen-conroy.com ( 202.174.225.243 ) , 30 hops max , 38 byte packets...16 ae-21-69.car1.SanJose2.Level3.net ( 4.68.18.11 ) 113.907 ms 122.092 ms 208.463 ms17 PRIMUS-TELE.car1.SanJose2.Level3.net ( 4.59.0.58 ) 89.807 ms 91.116 ms 89.976 ms18 p3-0.cr2-sjc2.primustel.com ( 209.227.128.202 ) 88.329 ms 87.974 ms 89.192 ms19 p3-0.cr1-sjc2.primustel.com ( 209.227.128.137 ) 88.078 ms 88.084 ms 89.717 ms20 209.227.129.242 ( 209.227.129.242 ) 537.434 ms 544.115 ms 545.142 ms21 193.233-50-210.static.corp.mel.iprimus.net.au ( 210.50.233.193 ) 509.382 ms 489.600 ms 453.880 ms22 ge1-1.sw02.mel.idc.iprimus.net.au ( 210.50.0.10 ) 426.940 ms 407.743 ms 385.031 ms23 hyperlink.idc.iprimus.net.au ( 210.50.3.156 ) 362.932 ms 326.418 ms 296.706 ms... And the IP address is under this network : inetnum : 202.174.224.0 - 202.174.255.255netname : SWISHdescr : Swish Group Ltd.descr : Corporate Data Centredescr : Melbournecountry : AUadmin-c : RH115-APtech-c : MS93-APmnt-by : APNIC-HMmnt-lower : MAINT-AU-SWISHchanged : hostmaster @ apnic.net 20000515status : ALLOCATED PORTABLEchanged : hm-changed @ apnic.net 20030121source : APNIC person : Rodney Hamilladdress : Level 6 , 257 Collins Staddress : Melbourne 3000country : AUphone : + 61 3 9211 XXXXfax-no : + 61 3 9211 XXXXe-mail : xxxxxxxxxxxxx @ xxxxx.com.aunic-hdl : RH115-APmnt-by : MAINT-AU-SWISHchanged : xxxxxxxxx @ xxxxx.com.au 20010711source : APNIC person : Michael Samueladdress : Level 6 , 492 St Kilda Roadaddress : Melbourne VIC 3004country : AUphone : + 61-3-9820-XXXXfax-no : + 61-3-9820-XXXXe-mail : xxxxxxx @ xxxxxxxxx.net.aunic-hdl : MS93-APmnt-by : MAINT-AU-SWISHchanged : xxxxxxxxx @ xxxxx.com.au 20000509source : APNIC</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The TLD "com" is not a US domain.
It is a world-wide top level domain.
Aussies are just as eligible for it.
And the actual site hosting is still in Australia: traceroute to stephen-conroy.com (202.174.225.243), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets...16 ae-21-69.car1.SanJose2.Level3.net (4.68.18.11) 113.907 ms 122.092 ms 208.463 ms17 PRIMUS-TELE.car1.SanJose2.Level3.net (4.59.0.58) 89.807 ms 91.116 ms 89.976 ms18 p3-0.cr2-sjc2.primustel.com (209.227.128.202) 88.329 ms 87.974 ms 89.192 ms19 p3-0.cr1-sjc2.primustel.com (209.227.128.137) 88.078 ms 88.084 ms 89.717 ms20 209.227.129.242 (209.227.129.242) 537.434 ms 544.115 ms 545.142 ms21 193.233-50-210.static.corp.mel.iprimus.net.au (210.50.233.193) 509.382 ms 489.600 ms 453.880 ms22 ge1-1.sw02.mel.idc.iprimus.net.au (210.50.0.10) 426.940 ms 407.743 ms 385.031 ms23 hyperlink.idc.iprimus.net.au (210.50.3.156) 362.932 ms 326.418 ms 296.706 ms... And the IP address is under this network: inetnum:   202.174.224.0 - 202.174.255.255netname:   SWISHdescr:    Swish Group Ltd.descr:    Corporate Data Centredescr:    Melbournecountry:   AUadmin-c:   RH115-APtech-c:   MS93-APmnt-by:   APNIC-HMmnt-lower:  MAINT-AU-SWISHchanged:   hostmaster@apnic.net 20000515status:   ALLOCATED PORTABLEchanged:   hm-changed@apnic.net 20030121source:   APNIC person:   Rodney Hamilladdress:   Level 6, 257 Collins Staddress:   Melbourne 3000country:   AUphone:    +61 3 9211 XXXXfax-no:   +61 3 9211 XXXXe-mail:   xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.com.aunic-hdl:   RH115-APmnt-by:   MAINT-AU-SWISHchanged:   xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.com.au 20010711source:   APNIC person:   Michael Samueladdress:   Level 6, 492 St Kilda Roadaddress:   Melbourne VIC 3004country:   AUphone:    +61-3-9820-XXXXfax-no:   +61-3-9820-XXXXe-mail:   xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.net.aunic-hdl:   MS93-APmnt-by:   MAINT-AU-SWISHchanged:   xxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.com.au 20000509source:   APNIC 
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510154</id>
	<title>hmmm</title>
	<author>smash</author>
	<datestamp>1261391040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Whilst I agree that the move was a bit.... bastardly (by the AU registry).... the domain does not comply with the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com.au regs and should have never been approved registration in the first place.  To register a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com.au, you need to provide proof of ownership of a business name or trading name that relates to the domain name being registered (BEFORE getting the domain).
<p>
I suspect someone within the AU registry side-stepped some processes to get the domain through.
</p><p>
This may sound strange to americans, but over here in australia, com.au is fairly strictly regulated.
</p><p>
Good to see<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com is still up though, I agree with the cause<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whilst I agree that the move was a bit.... bastardly ( by the AU registry ) .... the domain does not comply with the .com.au regs and should have never been approved registration in the first place .
To register a .com.au , you need to provide proof of ownership of a business name or trading name that relates to the domain name being registered ( BEFORE getting the domain ) .
I suspect someone within the AU registry side-stepped some processes to get the domain through .
This may sound strange to americans , but over here in australia , com.au is fairly strictly regulated .
Good to see .com is still up though , I agree with the cause : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whilst I agree that the move was a bit.... bastardly (by the AU registry).... the domain does not comply with the .com.au regs and should have never been approved registration in the first place.
To register a .com.au, you need to provide proof of ownership of a business name or trading name that relates to the domain name being registered (BEFORE getting the domain).
I suspect someone within the AU registry side-stepped some processes to get the domain through.
This may sound strange to americans, but over here in australia, com.au is fairly strictly regulated.
Good to see .com is still up though, I agree with the cause :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509614</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261338240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>who created the site*</htmltext>
<tokenext>who created the site *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>who created the site*</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30514588</id>
	<title>Right before 3 weeks vacation....</title>
	<author>Fencepost</author>
	<datestamp>1261422660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I find it amusing that they managed to do this (though it does sound like they were within their rights to do so) just before they close for 3 weeks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I find it amusing that they managed to do this ( though it does sound like they were within their rights to do so ) just before they close for 3 weeks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find it amusing that they managed to do this (though it does sound like they were within their rights to do so) just before they close for 3 weeks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509772</id>
	<title>Re:The world is global now.</title>
	<author>jebiester</author>
	<datestamp>1261427700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Once Conroy's filter is up and working it won't matter where it's hosted. If the government can pressure auDA to shut down the site, it can certainly add it to the national filter so that no one in Australia can visit it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Once Conroy 's filter is up and working it wo n't matter where it 's hosted .
If the government can pressure auDA to shut down the site , it can certainly add it to the national filter so that no one in Australia can visit it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once Conroy's filter is up and working it won't matter where it's hosted.
If the government can pressure auDA to shut down the site, it can certainly add it to the national filter so that no one in Australia can visit it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30511348</id>
	<title>Re:For what it's worth</title>
	<author>EricX2</author>
	<datestamp>1261406520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So why was it allowed to be created then taken down instead of denied in the first place? Did they lie and say they were Stephen Conroy on their registration information?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So why was it allowed to be created then taken down instead of denied in the first place ?
Did they lie and say they were Stephen Conroy on their registration information ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So why was it allowed to be created then taken down instead of denied in the first place?
Did they lie and say they were Stephen Conroy on their registration information?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509834</id>
	<title>Now does everyone realise</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261428780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>...that Bob Brown is the best choice for PM, The Greens really have the only policies that make sense.

Can you all imagine no Labor or Liberal bastards calling the shots and the country actually being run by someone who cares about it rather than these insane power hungry pollies with mad personal agendas to fulfill.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...that Bob Brown is the best choice for PM , The Greens really have the only policies that make sense .
Can you all imagine no Labor or Liberal bastards calling the shots and the country actually being run by someone who cares about it rather than these insane power hungry pollies with mad personal agendas to fulfill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...that Bob Brown is the best choice for PM, The Greens really have the only policies that make sense.
Can you all imagine no Labor or Liberal bastards calling the shots and the country actually being run by someone who cares about it rather than these insane power hungry pollies with mad personal agendas to fulfill.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30521188</id>
	<title>Re:Eh, the SITE is a parody, the registry isn't</title>
	<author>vaporland</author>
	<datestamp>1261512300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Regarding this:<blockquote><div><p>But if you want to parody/criticize, you need to know what battles to fight.</p></div></blockquote><p> <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2778257.htm" title="abc.net.au">This editorial</a> [abc.net.au] by Josh Melman makes some very interesting points about effectively wielding political power:</p><blockquote><div><p>These groups have been - and continue to be - ineffective because, unlike those who favour the filter, they don't understand what it takes to achieve political change.</p></div></blockquote><p>and</p><blockquote><div><p>...<b>introducing the internet filter would have almost no electoral consequences for the Government</b>, save the possibility of losing inner-city Sydney and Melbourne seats to the Greens.<br> <br>

But not introducing the filter would upset one of the best organised and most influential political groups in the country.<br> <br>

Liberal MP Alex Hawke, a campaigner for Christian values who opposes the filter, believes <b>the legislation is the result of a backroom deal between Senator Conroy and the Australian Christian Lobby </b>(ACL).<br> <br>

The ACL is a seriously hefty lobby group, and the Government owes it favours. According to its website, <b> <i>the ACL counts among its victories</i> </b> "[turning] the tide on issues such as euthanasia" and "<b> <i>[alerting] parliamentarians on industry plans to introduce R-rated hand held computer games".</i> </b> <br> <br>

The ACL has also "positively influenced the debate on homosexual adoption in the ACT and Tasmania" and lobbied local councils on issues such as "the placement of brothels [and] offensive advertising".<br> <br>

Within Parliament, the ACL tells us there are "large numbers of Christian politicians at all levels of Government who value your prayers and support".<br> <br>

You could count on one hand the number of politicians whose knowledge of technology extends further than using a BlackBerry to Tweet during Question Time.<br> <br>

As a result, it is not enough to demonstrate that a large number of people, even the majority of people, think the filter is a bad idea. <b>Defeating the filter means convincing Labor that it will have electoral consequences worse than pissing off the Christian lobby.</b> <br> <br>

Filter opponents appear to believe Twitter, online petitions, protests and letter-writing campaigns will be enough.<br> <br>

However, 10,000 people blacking out their avatars, retweeting blog posts and furiously agreeing with each other on Twitter merely adds to the cacophony of the echo chamber; it has no effect in the real world.<br> <br>

The closed circle of the Australian Twitterati and their friends in the technology and political media might well believe everyone is against the internet filter since everyone they know is talking about it.<br> <br>

But in the mainstream media, the filter was a lower-order news item on the day it was announced and has since almost disappeared.</p></div></blockquote><p>It all sounds very familiar... I suggest that if you don't understand this or feel it is unfair, go read <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Power\_Broker" title="wikipedia.org">The Power Broker</a> [wikipedia.org] by Robert Caro...</p></div>
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<tokenext>Regarding this : But if you want to parody/criticize , you need to know what battles to fight .
This editorial [ abc.net.au ] by Josh Melman makes some very interesting points about effectively wielding political power : These groups have been - and continue to be - ineffective because , unlike those who favour the filter , they do n't understand what it takes to achieve political change.and...introducing the internet filter would have almost no electoral consequences for the Government , save the possibility of losing inner-city Sydney and Melbourne seats to the Greens .
But not introducing the filter would upset one of the best organised and most influential political groups in the country .
Liberal MP Alex Hawke , a campaigner for Christian values who opposes the filter , believes the legislation is the result of a backroom deal between Senator Conroy and the Australian Christian Lobby ( ACL ) .
The ACL is a seriously hefty lobby group , and the Government owes it favours .
According to its website , the ACL counts among its victories " [ turning ] the tide on issues such as euthanasia " and " [ alerting ] parliamentarians on industry plans to introduce R-rated hand held computer games " .
The ACL has also " positively influenced the debate on homosexual adoption in the ACT and Tasmania " and lobbied local councils on issues such as " the placement of brothels [ and ] offensive advertising " .
Within Parliament , the ACL tells us there are " large numbers of Christian politicians at all levels of Government who value your prayers and support " .
You could count on one hand the number of politicians whose knowledge of technology extends further than using a BlackBerry to Tweet during Question Time .
As a result , it is not enough to demonstrate that a large number of people , even the majority of people , think the filter is a bad idea .
Defeating the filter means convincing Labor that it will have electoral consequences worse than pissing off the Christian lobby .
Filter opponents appear to believe Twitter , online petitions , protests and letter-writing campaigns will be enough .
However , 10,000 people blacking out their avatars , retweeting blog posts and furiously agreeing with each other on Twitter merely adds to the cacophony of the echo chamber ; it has no effect in the real world .
The closed circle of the Australian Twitterati and their friends in the technology and political media might well believe everyone is against the internet filter since everyone they know is talking about it .
But in the mainstream media , the filter was a lower-order news item on the day it was announced and has since almost disappeared.It all sounds very familiar... I suggest that if you do n't understand this or feel it is unfair , go read The Power Broker [ wikipedia.org ] by Robert Caro.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Regarding this:But if you want to parody/criticize, you need to know what battles to fight.
This editorial [abc.net.au] by Josh Melman makes some very interesting points about effectively wielding political power:These groups have been - and continue to be - ineffective because, unlike those who favour the filter, they don't understand what it takes to achieve political change.and...introducing the internet filter would have almost no electoral consequences for the Government, save the possibility of losing inner-city Sydney and Melbourne seats to the Greens.
But not introducing the filter would upset one of the best organised and most influential political groups in the country.
Liberal MP Alex Hawke, a campaigner for Christian values who opposes the filter, believes the legislation is the result of a backroom deal between Senator Conroy and the Australian Christian Lobby (ACL).
The ACL is a seriously hefty lobby group, and the Government owes it favours.
According to its website,  the ACL counts among its victories  "[turning] the tide on issues such as euthanasia" and " [alerting] parliamentarians on industry plans to introduce R-rated hand held computer games".
The ACL has also "positively influenced the debate on homosexual adoption in the ACT and Tasmania" and lobbied local councils on issues such as "the placement of brothels [and] offensive advertising".
Within Parliament, the ACL tells us there are "large numbers of Christian politicians at all levels of Government who value your prayers and support".
You could count on one hand the number of politicians whose knowledge of technology extends further than using a BlackBerry to Tweet during Question Time.
As a result, it is not enough to demonstrate that a large number of people, even the majority of people, think the filter is a bad idea.
Defeating the filter means convincing Labor that it will have electoral consequences worse than pissing off the Christian lobby.
Filter opponents appear to believe Twitter, online petitions, protests and letter-writing campaigns will be enough.
However, 10,000 people blacking out their avatars, retweeting blog posts and furiously agreeing with each other on Twitter merely adds to the cacophony of the echo chamber; it has no effect in the real world.
The closed circle of the Australian Twitterati and their friends in the technology and political media might well believe everyone is against the internet filter since everyone they know is talking about it.
But in the mainstream media, the filter was a lower-order news item on the day it was announced and has since almost disappeared.It all sounds very familiar... I suggest that if you don't understand this or feel it is unfair, go read The Power Broker [wikipedia.org] by Robert Caro...
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30515488</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>DeadRat4life</author>
	<datestamp>1261426560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Censorship is never justified. ever. period.  If he was upset that his name was used, he should have sued them as a private citizen suing another private citizen. but instead he used his power which is wrong. It doesnt matter if the site was being mature or not, free speech isnt dependent on maturity level.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Censorship is never justified .
ever. period .
If he was upset that his name was used , he should have sued them as a private citizen suing another private citizen .
but instead he used his power which is wrong .
It doesnt matter if the site was being mature or not , free speech isnt dependent on maturity level .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Censorship is never justified.
ever. period.
If he was upset that his name was used, he should have sued them as a private citizen suing another private citizen.
but instead he used his power which is wrong.
It doesnt matter if the site was being mature or not, free speech isnt dependent on maturity level.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510328</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>NSN A392-99-964-5927</author>
	<datestamp>1261393200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think this is somewhat justified. Sure, where do you draw the line but this site was registered under a false name -- that of someone in Parliament. There's always the mature way and the immature way to handle things, and in this case with the people who created the same, they took the immature route. There's a time and a place for things, this sort of thing is more suited to personal jokes between friends and groups on Facebook.</p></div><p>I concur. This was trivial. At times one has to comprehend such matters without pre-judging. It would help if the authour would correct his spelling mistakes.  TWAT!</p></div>
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<tokenext>I think this is somewhat justified .
Sure , where do you draw the line but this site was registered under a false name -- that of someone in Parliament .
There 's always the mature way and the immature way to handle things , and in this case with the people who created the same , they took the immature route .
There 's a time and a place for things , this sort of thing is more suited to personal jokes between friends and groups on Facebook.I concur .
This was trivial .
At times one has to comprehend such matters without pre-judging .
It would help if the authour would correct his spelling mistakes .
TWAT !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this is somewhat justified.
Sure, where do you draw the line but this site was registered under a false name -- that of someone in Parliament.
There's always the mature way and the immature way to handle things, and in this case with the people who created the same, they took the immature route.
There's a time and a place for things, this sort of thing is more suited to personal jokes between friends and groups on Facebook.I concur.
This was trivial.
At times one has to comprehend such matters without pre-judging.
It would help if the authour would correct his spelling mistakes.
TWAT!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30517852</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>doug20r</author>
	<datestamp>1261395540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You are wrong about the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com.au domain name needs to have a registered business/trading name related to the domain.  The auDA allows monetised website with ads related to the name and this does not need to be your business name.  Please so many people are stating misinformation on this issue could someone flag them all as misinformation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are wrong about the .com.au domain name needs to have a registered business/trading name related to the domain .
The auDA allows monetised website with ads related to the name and this does not need to be your business name .
Please so many people are stating misinformation on this issue could someone flag them all as misinformation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are wrong about the .com.au domain name needs to have a registered business/trading name related to the domain.
The auDA allows monetised website with ads related to the name and this does not need to be your business name.
Please so many people are stating misinformation on this issue could someone flag them all as misinformation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509848</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>bmo</author>
	<datestamp>1261429080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;I think this is somewhat justified.</p><p>No, it's not.  Not in the least.</p><p>It's political speech.  If there's *any* sort of speech that needs protecting, it's "controversial" political speech because mainstream political speech doesn't need protection as much.  Stephen Conroy doesn't like criticism.  Well, boo-hoo, cry me a river.  It doesn't matter if it's "immature" or not.  What's next, banning editorial cartoons that Steven doesn't like, or throwing people in prison that Steven doesn't like?  He has now demonstrated that he won't stop at child pornography.  This is *exactly* why Steven Conroy's "protect the children" censorship should be shouted down.</p><p>Steven Conroy is a fascist with a stick up his arse, pure and simple.</p><p>I'm in the States, and Steven Conroy makes me want to punch him.</p><p>--<br>BMO</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I think this is somewhat justified.No , it 's not .
Not in the least.It 's political speech .
If there 's * any * sort of speech that needs protecting , it 's " controversial " political speech because mainstream political speech does n't need protection as much .
Stephen Conroy does n't like criticism .
Well , boo-hoo , cry me a river .
It does n't matter if it 's " immature " or not .
What 's next , banning editorial cartoons that Steven does n't like , or throwing people in prison that Steven does n't like ?
He has now demonstrated that he wo n't stop at child pornography .
This is * exactly * why Steven Conroy 's " protect the children " censorship should be shouted down.Steven Conroy is a fascist with a stick up his arse , pure and simple.I 'm in the States , and Steven Conroy makes me want to punch him.--BMO</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;I think this is somewhat justified.No, it's not.
Not in the least.It's political speech.
If there's *any* sort of speech that needs protecting, it's "controversial" political speech because mainstream political speech doesn't need protection as much.
Stephen Conroy doesn't like criticism.
Well, boo-hoo, cry me a river.
It doesn't matter if it's "immature" or not.
What's next, banning editorial cartoons that Steven doesn't like, or throwing people in prison that Steven doesn't like?
He has now demonstrated that he won't stop at child pornography.
This is *exactly* why Steven Conroy's "protect the children" censorship should be shouted down.Steven Conroy is a fascist with a stick up his arse, pure and simple.I'm in the States, and Steven Conroy makes me want to punch him.--BMO</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30514090</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261420380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It IS evil.  I have always believed that just because a domain name is or contains the name of a person or corporation, that doesn't mean that the person or corporation own that domain name.  Domain names belong to the first person to register them.  Period.  They have nothing to do with trademarks.  For example, I have seen my name used as a domain name.  That doesn't mean that I should be able to sue the holders of that domain name to get it for myself, or for any business that I may happen to have.</p><p>
&nbsp; Now if they actually used that persons name to sign up for and pay for the domain, thats probably illegal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It IS evil .
I have always believed that just because a domain name is or contains the name of a person or corporation , that does n't mean that the person or corporation own that domain name .
Domain names belong to the first person to register them .
Period. They have nothing to do with trademarks .
For example , I have seen my name used as a domain name .
That does n't mean that I should be able to sue the holders of that domain name to get it for myself , or for any business that I may happen to have .
  Now if they actually used that persons name to sign up for and pay for the domain , thats probably illegal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It IS evil.
I have always believed that just because a domain name is or contains the name of a person or corporation, that doesn't mean that the person or corporation own that domain name.
Domain names belong to the first person to register them.
Period.  They have nothing to do with trademarks.
For example, I have seen my name used as a domain name.
That doesn't mean that I should be able to sue the holders of that domain name to get it for myself, or for any business that I may happen to have.
  Now if they actually used that persons name to sign up for and pay for the domain, thats probably illegal.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30519006</id>
	<title>Re:Eh, the SITE is a parody, the registry isn't</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1261404720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If I act/dress like Steven Conroy goose-stepping through the streets, THAT is parody. If I create a passport with his name on it, then that is fraud.</p></div> </blockquote><p>

It's a fine line. As much as I support parody, especially of our side-splitting hilarious leaders one's name deserves protecting. We cant withdraw this protection just because it is a person who we don't like. Conroy is a fascist but he still deserves the same protection as any other Australian. Remember that it is the same law that protects your name (in Australia) and my name. If the site was called FakeStephenConroy then you are 100\% within your rights to have it (as parody).<br> <br>

The saddest part of defending civil liberties is that most of the time you are defending scumbags.</p></div>
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<tokenext>If I act/dress like Steven Conroy goose-stepping through the streets , THAT is parody .
If I create a passport with his name on it , then that is fraud .
It 's a fine line .
As much as I support parody , especially of our side-splitting hilarious leaders one 's name deserves protecting .
We cant withdraw this protection just because it is a person who we do n't like .
Conroy is a fascist but he still deserves the same protection as any other Australian .
Remember that it is the same law that protects your name ( in Australia ) and my name .
If the site was called FakeStephenConroy then you are 100 \ % within your rights to have it ( as parody ) .
The saddest part of defending civil liberties is that most of the time you are defending scumbags .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I act/dress like Steven Conroy goose-stepping through the streets, THAT is parody.
If I create a passport with his name on it, then that is fraud.
It's a fine line.
As much as I support parody, especially of our side-splitting hilarious leaders one's name deserves protecting.
We cant withdraw this protection just because it is a person who we don't like.
Conroy is a fascist but he still deserves the same protection as any other Australian.
Remember that it is the same law that protects your name (in Australia) and my name.
If the site was called FakeStephenConroy then you are 100\% within your rights to have it (as parody).
The saddest part of defending civil liberties is that most of the time you are defending scumbags.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510862</id>
	<title>Re:Eh, the SITE is a parody, the registry isn't</title>
	<author>rolfwind</author>
	<datestamp>1261400700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If I act/dress like Steven Conroy goose-stepping through the streets, THAT is parody. If I create a passport with his name on it, then that is fraud.</p><p>They should have registered the site in their own name, then it would be parody and they would probably win in court (don't know aussie laws on parody but presuming they are as similar to EU/US laws as you can expect from a continent of criminals).</p></div></blockquote><p>Wow, so you're comparing a website to a passport?  That's really.... wow.  Have you also given thought about multiple people having the name Steven Conroy?</p><p>I guess whoever is running georgewashington.com really isn't our first president from the grave.  Thanks for the heads up.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I act/dress like Steven Conroy goose-stepping through the streets , THAT is parody .
If I create a passport with his name on it , then that is fraud.They should have registered the site in their own name , then it would be parody and they would probably win in court ( do n't know aussie laws on parody but presuming they are as similar to EU/US laws as you can expect from a continent of criminals ) .Wow , so you 're comparing a website to a passport ?
That 's really.... wow. Have you also given thought about multiple people having the name Steven Conroy ? I guess whoever is running georgewashington.com really is n't our first president from the grave .
Thanks for the heads up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I act/dress like Steven Conroy goose-stepping through the streets, THAT is parody.
If I create a passport with his name on it, then that is fraud.They should have registered the site in their own name, then it would be parody and they would probably win in court (don't know aussie laws on parody but presuming they are as similar to EU/US laws as you can expect from a continent of criminals).Wow, so you're comparing a website to a passport?
That's really.... wow.  Have you also given thought about multiple people having the name Steven Conroy?I guess whoever is running georgewashington.com really isn't our first president from the grave.
Thanks for the heads up.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509794</id>
	<title>Holy hell, the Aussies move fast</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261428120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I got it done fast, before you even saw it coming, like Australians it's all in the title it's all over go away.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I got it done fast , before you even saw it coming , like Australians it 's all in the title it 's all over go away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got it done fast, before you even saw it coming, like Australians it's all in the title it's all over go away.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510106</id>
	<title>GTFO</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261389960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is how it has always been with Australian Domain name registrars. It has nothing to do with a Labor government, the Australian domain authorities have always been complete bastards, no matter which party is in power. It has nothing to do with party politics, it's just about anal-retentive bureaucrats and very strict rules about who is allowed to register a domain.</p><p>Even businesses with a legitimate claim to a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.au domain name have a difficult time registering it. It's completely different to the US, where basically anybody can register<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com domain with any available name.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is how it has always been with Australian Domain name registrars .
It has nothing to do with a Labor government , the Australian domain authorities have always been complete bastards , no matter which party is in power .
It has nothing to do with party politics , it 's just about anal-retentive bureaucrats and very strict rules about who is allowed to register a domain.Even businesses with a legitimate claim to a .au domain name have a difficult time registering it .
It 's completely different to the US , where basically anybody can register .com domain with any available name .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is how it has always been with Australian Domain name registrars.
It has nothing to do with a Labor government, the Australian domain authorities have always been complete bastards, no matter which party is in power.
It has nothing to do with party politics, it's just about anal-retentive bureaucrats and very strict rules about who is allowed to register a domain.Even businesses with a legitimate claim to a .au domain name have a difficult time registering it.
It's completely different to the US, where basically anybody can register .com domain with any available name.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510288</id>
	<title>Eh, the SITE is a parody, the registry isn't</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261392900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I act/dress like Steven Conroy goose-stepping through the streets, THAT is parody. If I create a passport with his name on it, then that is fraud.
</p><p>They should have registered the site in their own name, then it would be parody and they would probably win in court (don't know aussie laws on parody but presuming they are as similar to EU/US laws as you can expect from a continent of criminals).
</p><p>Mind you, the fact that the registry changed its normal procedure for this case shows that this is a real attempt at suppression of critical thoughts. Then again, everyone knows not to use local registers for anything, they are all corrupt but without the global oversight the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com.org.net have to work under.
</p><p>But if you want to parody/critize, you need to know what battles to fight. Like the show "Have I Got News For You". They can only do what they do because they got lawyers watching the entire show, who decide what joke/satire is worth it and which isn't. You can make far harder satire, if you give the enemy only the satire itself to fight. Not accidental criminal/libel stuff that they can use to shut you down.
</p><p>For instance, I can say that George Bush is the monkey whose brain was served in The Temple of Doom, but if I then hint "which leads him to cheat on his wife" I am opening myself up to much to attack. This side is now attacked because it faked the registry, neatly allowing the attacked to side-step addressing the charge of facism.
</p><p>Just as my post may now be modden down for attacking Bush, or the criminal aussie remark, rather then the main point I am trying to make.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I act/dress like Steven Conroy goose-stepping through the streets , THAT is parody .
If I create a passport with his name on it , then that is fraud .
They should have registered the site in their own name , then it would be parody and they would probably win in court ( do n't know aussie laws on parody but presuming they are as similar to EU/US laws as you can expect from a continent of criminals ) .
Mind you , the fact that the registry changed its normal procedure for this case shows that this is a real attempt at suppression of critical thoughts .
Then again , everyone knows not to use local registers for anything , they are all corrupt but without the global oversight the .com.org.net have to work under .
But if you want to parody/critize , you need to know what battles to fight .
Like the show " Have I Got News For You " .
They can only do what they do because they got lawyers watching the entire show , who decide what joke/satire is worth it and which is n't .
You can make far harder satire , if you give the enemy only the satire itself to fight .
Not accidental criminal/libel stuff that they can use to shut you down .
For instance , I can say that George Bush is the monkey whose brain was served in The Temple of Doom , but if I then hint " which leads him to cheat on his wife " I am opening myself up to much to attack .
This side is now attacked because it faked the registry , neatly allowing the attacked to side-step addressing the charge of facism .
Just as my post may now be modden down for attacking Bush , or the criminal aussie remark , rather then the main point I am trying to make .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I act/dress like Steven Conroy goose-stepping through the streets, THAT is parody.
If I create a passport with his name on it, then that is fraud.
They should have registered the site in their own name, then it would be parody and they would probably win in court (don't know aussie laws on parody but presuming they are as similar to EU/US laws as you can expect from a continent of criminals).
Mind you, the fact that the registry changed its normal procedure for this case shows that this is a real attempt at suppression of critical thoughts.
Then again, everyone knows not to use local registers for anything, they are all corrupt but without the global oversight the .com.org.net have to work under.
But if you want to parody/critize, you need to know what battles to fight.
Like the show "Have I Got News For You".
They can only do what they do because they got lawyers watching the entire show, who decide what joke/satire is worth it and which isn't.
You can make far harder satire, if you give the enemy only the satire itself to fight.
Not accidental criminal/libel stuff that they can use to shut you down.
For instance, I can say that George Bush is the monkey whose brain was served in The Temple of Doom, but if I then hint "which leads him to cheat on his wife" I am opening myself up to much to attack.
This side is now attacked because it faked the registry, neatly allowing the attacked to side-step addressing the charge of facism.
Just as my post may now be modden down for attacking Bush, or the criminal aussie remark, rather then the main point I am trying to make.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509848</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30511174</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261404960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You cannot justify this. This is an attack on freedom of speech. Does he have a trademark on his name? I'm assuming not, so as long as the information on the website does not pretend to originate from him (it doesn't) and is not offensive (it isn't), then I see no reason why it shouldn't be allowed to stay up.<br>Oh wait, it's not what they want people to read! I forgot about that one, yeah, bring it down.</p><p>Censorship can never be justified.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can not justify this .
This is an attack on freedom of speech .
Does he have a trademark on his name ?
I 'm assuming not , so as long as the information on the website does not pretend to originate from him ( it does n't ) and is not offensive ( it is n't ) , then I see no reason why it should n't be allowed to stay up.Oh wait , it 's not what they want people to read !
I forgot about that one , yeah , bring it down.Censorship can never be justified .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You cannot justify this.
This is an attack on freedom of speech.
Does he have a trademark on his name?
I'm assuming not, so as long as the information on the website does not pretend to originate from him (it doesn't) and is not offensive (it isn't), then I see no reason why it shouldn't be allowed to stay up.Oh wait, it's not what they want people to read!
I forgot about that one, yeah, bring it down.Censorship can never be justified.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509534</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509570</id>
	<title>The world is global now.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261337520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can't censor in secret anymore.  Either you can pull a China/North Korea/Cuba/Most of the Middle East and just outright limit, filter and forbid in the open and go full tilt enforcement while not hiding the fact you're being a douche about it, or you can  go hands off and only enforce your countries top level domain.  Few people in the US use a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.us top level domain, though the popularity is increasing.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com is for the world and can be hosted anywhere nearly transparently.  It's time Australia figures that out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't censor in secret anymore .
Either you can pull a China/North Korea/Cuba/Most of the Middle East and just outright limit , filter and forbid in the open and go full tilt enforcement while not hiding the fact you 're being a douche about it , or you can go hands off and only enforce your countries top level domain .
Few people in the US use a .us top level domain , though the popularity is increasing .
.com is for the world and can be hosted anywhere nearly transparently .
It 's time Australia figures that out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't censor in secret anymore.
Either you can pull a China/North Korea/Cuba/Most of the Middle East and just outright limit, filter and forbid in the open and go full tilt enforcement while not hiding the fact you're being a douche about it, or you can  go hands off and only enforce your countries top level domain.
Few people in the US use a .us top level domain, though the popularity is increasing.
.com is for the world and can be hosted anywhere nearly transparently.
It's time Australia figures that out.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30519126</id>
	<title>Re:Now does everyone realise</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1261405680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Greens are the reason that the censorship scheme never passed in the first place. They control enough seats to give labour the majority over the Coalition and the independents.<br> <br>

The Greens have a few major policy gaps and will not get the majority in the next federal election but we should still try to increase the number of seats they have, if only to take power away from the ALP and Coalition.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Greens are the reason that the censorship scheme never passed in the first place .
They control enough seats to give labour the majority over the Coalition and the independents .
The Greens have a few major policy gaps and will not get the majority in the next federal election but we should still try to increase the number of seats they have , if only to take power away from the ALP and Coalition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Greens are the reason that the censorship scheme never passed in the first place.
They control enough seats to give labour the majority over the Coalition and the independents.
The Greens have a few major policy gaps and will not get the majority in the next federal election but we should still try to increase the number of seats they have, if only to take power away from the ALP and Coalition.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509834</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30511276</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261405860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No... this is a poster-child example of why net censorship is a bad idea... they're not suppressing "child porn" - they've gone directly to suppression of political expression.  Its stunning to watch this sort of jaw-dropping behavior by AU politicians but it seems endemic to a certain percentage of all homo sapiens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No... this is a poster-child example of why net censorship is a bad idea... they 're not suppressing " child porn " - they 've gone directly to suppression of political expression .
Its stunning to watch this sort of jaw-dropping behavior by AU politicians but it seems endemic to a certain percentage of all homo sapiens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No... this is a poster-child example of why net censorship is a bad idea... they're not suppressing "child porn" - they've gone directly to suppression of political expression.
Its stunning to watch this sort of jaw-dropping behavior by AU politicians but it seems endemic to a certain percentage of all homo sapiens.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509534</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510394</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>yobjob</author>
	<datestamp>1261394160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's this sort of attitude that makes me want to move to the United States. Freedom is unqualified. If someone wants to handle things the 'immature' way then that's their choice - if they're free. No compromise. You're free or you're not.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's this sort of attitude that makes me want to move to the United States .
Freedom is unqualified .
If someone wants to handle things the 'immature ' way then that 's their choice - if they 're free .
No compromise .
You 're free or you 're not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's this sort of attitude that makes me want to move to the United States.
Freedom is unqualified.
If someone wants to handle things the 'immature' way then that's their choice - if they're free.
No compromise.
You're free or you're not.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509534</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510316</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>whitehatnetizen</author>
	<datestamp>1261393140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>As much as I agree with you, you don't seem to understand that the group that registered the domain committed fraud.

also in Aus, to have a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com.au domain, you need to either have a registered business/trading name related to the domain, or have the domain be your actual name.  as far as I can tell, neither of these were the case and so it is fraud.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As much as I agree with you , you do n't seem to understand that the group that registered the domain committed fraud .
also in Aus , to have a .com.au domain , you need to either have a registered business/trading name related to the domain , or have the domain be your actual name .
as far as I can tell , neither of these were the case and so it is fraud .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As much as I agree with you, you don't seem to understand that the group that registered the domain committed fraud.
also in Aus, to have a .com.au domain, you need to either have a registered business/trading name related to the domain, or have the domain be your actual name.
as far as I can tell, neither of these were the case and so it is fraud.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509848</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30511846</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>CrazyDuke</author>
	<datestamp>1261409700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Laws against spitting in public are justified.  But, chances are, if a officer of the law is actually coming down on your ass for spitting in public, the spitting in public is just an excuse to punish you for something you have a right to do.</p><p>Just in case it matters: IANAL.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Laws against spitting in public are justified .
But , chances are , if a officer of the law is actually coming down on your ass for spitting in public , the spitting in public is just an excuse to punish you for something you have a right to do.Just in case it matters : IANAL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Laws against spitting in public are justified.
But, chances are, if a officer of the law is actually coming down on your ass for spitting in public, the spitting in public is just an excuse to punish you for something you have a right to do.Just in case it matters: IANAL.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509534</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509658</id>
	<title>For what it's worth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261425660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're only allowed to register<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com.au domains that correspond to the names of businesses that you own, or your own name. This isn't censorship so much as rule enforcement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're only allowed to register .com.au domains that correspond to the names of businesses that you own , or your own name .
This is n't censorship so much as rule enforcement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're only allowed to register .com.au domains that correspond to the names of businesses that you own, or your own name.
This isn't censorship so much as rule enforcement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509644</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261338900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>auDA requires you have some right to the name, in this case they did, they registered the business name to go along with it. They have every right to the domain name under auDA's own policies.</htmltext>
<tokenext>auDA requires you have some right to the name , in this case they did , they registered the business name to go along with it .
They have every right to the domain name under auDA 's own policies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>auDA requires you have some right to the name, in this case they did, they registered the business name to go along with it.
They have every right to the domain name under auDA's own policies.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509534</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30515748</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>Thinboy00</author>
	<datestamp>1261427820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In (alleged) domain name squatting cases, the person whose name matches the domain is given precedence over everyone else, including trademark holders.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In ( alleged ) domain name squatting cases , the person whose name matches the domain is given precedence over everyone else , including trademark holders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In (alleged) domain name squatting cases, the person whose name matches the domain is given precedence over everyone else, including trademark holders.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509534</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509620</id>
	<title>You-turn..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261338540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The site was quickly moved to a US domain, stephen-conroy.com in order to stay active while the dispute with auDA is resolved.""</p><p>Aren't we suppose to be moving things FROM the US in order to avoid censorship?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The site was quickly moved to a US domain , stephen-conroy.com in order to stay active while the dispute with auDA is resolved .
" " Are n't we suppose to be moving things FROM the US in order to avoid censorship ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The site was quickly moved to a US domain, stephen-conroy.com in order to stay active while the dispute with auDA is resolved.
""Aren't we suppose to be moving things FROM the US in order to avoid censorship?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510272</id>
	<title>Re:Now does everyone realise</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261392720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a freaking scary statement. If the greens were in power they would try and bring us back into the stone age. While they serve a purpose as a minority group, I hope I never live to see them in power and calling the shots. Imagine how much money BB would waste in addition to the amounts he already wastes - I seem to remember him desperately whining for people to pay the legal fees for pointless lawsuits HE filed so that he wouldn't lose his seat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a freaking scary statement .
If the greens were in power they would try and bring us back into the stone age .
While they serve a purpose as a minority group , I hope I never live to see them in power and calling the shots .
Imagine how much money BB would waste in addition to the amounts he already wastes - I seem to remember him desperately whining for people to pay the legal fees for pointless lawsuits HE filed so that he would n't lose his seat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a freaking scary statement.
If the greens were in power they would try and bring us back into the stone age.
While they serve a purpose as a minority group, I hope I never live to see them in power and calling the shots.
Imagine how much money BB would waste in addition to the amounts he already wastes - I seem to remember him desperately whining for people to pay the legal fees for pointless lawsuits HE filed so that he wouldn't lose his seat.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509834</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509546</id>
	<title>FIRST [Filtered]</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261337220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FIRST [Filtered]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FIRST [ Filtered ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FIRST [Filtered]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30513008</id>
	<title>People get the government they deserve.</title>
	<author>Pig Hogger</author>
	<datestamp>1261415760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the australians are happy with that scheme, they will do nothing against that government.<p>
After all, the legislation is tabled to be proposed right before the next federal election, eh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the australians are happy with that scheme , they will do nothing against that government .
After all , the legislation is tabled to be proposed right before the next federal election , eh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the australians are happy with that scheme, they will do nothing against that government.
After all, the legislation is tabled to be proposed right before the next federal election, eh?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30514128</id>
	<title>Re:Eh, the SITE is a parody, the registry isn't</title>
	<author>mpe</author>
	<datestamp>1261420620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>If I act/dress like Steven Conroy goose-stepping through the streets, THAT is parody. If I create a passport with his name on it, then that is fraud.</i> <br> <br>If the passport was supposedly issued by a country which dosn't currently exist, e.g. the DDR, People's Republic of Australia, etc then it could still be parody or satire.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I act/dress like Steven Conroy goose-stepping through the streets , THAT is parody .
If I create a passport with his name on it , then that is fraud .
If the passport was supposedly issued by a country which dos n't currently exist , e.g .
the DDR , People 's Republic of Australia , etc then it could still be parody or satire .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I act/dress like Steven Conroy goose-stepping through the streets, THAT is parody.
If I create a passport with his name on it, then that is fraud.
If the passport was supposedly issued by a country which dosn't currently exist, e.g.
the DDR, People's Republic of Australia, etc then it could still be parody or satire.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510288</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509600</id>
	<title>Can't wait for the Aus Firewall</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261338000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>These pesky political protest sites are wasting my valuable time when I could be working industriously for the greater good.</htmltext>
<tokenext>These pesky political protest sites are wasting my valuable time when I could be working industriously for the greater good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These pesky political protest sites are wasting my valuable time when I could be working industriously for the greater good.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510590</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>martinX</author>
	<datestamp>1261397040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.auda.org.au/policies/auda-2008-05/" title="auda.org.au">http://www.auda.org.au/policies/auda-2008-05/</a> [auda.org.au]

The AuDA isn't politically motivated, just covering their arse.

<a href="http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/auDA-No-govt-request-to-kill-Conroy-site/0,130061791,339300152,00.htm" title="zdnet.com.au">http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/auDA-No-govt-request-to-kill-Conroy-site/0,130061791,339300152,00.htm</a> [zdnet.com.au]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.auda.org.au/policies/auda-2008-05/ [ auda.org.au ] The AuDA is n't politically motivated , just covering their arse .
http : //www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/auDA-No-govt-request-to-kill-Conroy-site/0,130061791,339300152,00.htm [ zdnet.com.au ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.auda.org.au/policies/auda-2008-05/ [auda.org.au]

The AuDA isn't politically motivated, just covering their arse.
http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/auDA-No-govt-request-to-kill-Conroy-site/0,130061791,339300152,00.htm [zdnet.com.au]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509848</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509886</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>Tuoqui</author>
	<datestamp>1261386360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They also could have run it under the website name Minister-of-Fascism too</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They also could have run it under the website name Minister-of-Fascism too</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They also could have run it under the website name Minister-of-Fascism too</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509534</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30512706</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>Will.Woodhull</author>
	<datestamp>1261414500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree that this is an egregious violation of the Minister's personal intellectual property: it is a form of identity theft and the website should be forced to rename itself.

</p><p>Eventually.

</p><p>I do think this is one of those times where the wheels of justice should grind very, very slowly. We've got a Minister who is hell bent on destroying personal freedom of information. The first, and often the most effective, means of defending against Big Government trampling on the individual's rights is to scream as loudly as you can about it. Within that context, this website is clearly an act of civil disobedience of the same nature as those that were used by Ghandi and Martin Luther King.

</p><p>My sincere hope is that it takes a very long time to determine whether this website should be taken down. And that the arguments pro and con are very loud, reaching all corners of the world, and bringing Stephen Conroy's association with censorship by big government into question.

</p><p>Perhaps a simpler resolution would be for Stephen Conroy to move to one of those regions where Internet censorship is already practiced. In many respects he would seem more at home in China or Iran than in a country descended from British rule.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree that this is an egregious violation of the Minister 's personal intellectual property : it is a form of identity theft and the website should be forced to rename itself .
Eventually . I do think this is one of those times where the wheels of justice should grind very , very slowly .
We 've got a Minister who is hell bent on destroying personal freedom of information .
The first , and often the most effective , means of defending against Big Government trampling on the individual 's rights is to scream as loudly as you can about it .
Within that context , this website is clearly an act of civil disobedience of the same nature as those that were used by Ghandi and Martin Luther King .
My sincere hope is that it takes a very long time to determine whether this website should be taken down .
And that the arguments pro and con are very loud , reaching all corners of the world , and bringing Stephen Conroy 's association with censorship by big government into question .
Perhaps a simpler resolution would be for Stephen Conroy to move to one of those regions where Internet censorship is already practiced .
In many respects he would seem more at home in China or Iran than in a country descended from British rule .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree that this is an egregious violation of the Minister's personal intellectual property: it is a form of identity theft and the website should be forced to rename itself.
Eventually.

I do think this is one of those times where the wheels of justice should grind very, very slowly.
We've got a Minister who is hell bent on destroying personal freedom of information.
The first, and often the most effective, means of defending against Big Government trampling on the individual's rights is to scream as loudly as you can about it.
Within that context, this website is clearly an act of civil disobedience of the same nature as those that were used by Ghandi and Martin Luther King.
My sincere hope is that it takes a very long time to determine whether this website should be taken down.
And that the arguments pro and con are very loud, reaching all corners of the world, and bringing Stephen Conroy's association with censorship by big government into question.
Perhaps a simpler resolution would be for Stephen Conroy to move to one of those regions where Internet censorship is already practiced.
In many respects he would seem more at home in China or Iran than in a country descended from British rule.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30514640</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>Tolkien</author>
	<datestamp>1261422900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There's a time and a place for things, this sort of thing is more suited to personal jokes between friends and groups on Facebook.</p></div><p> <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/12/16/193208/" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Pardon?</a> [slashdot.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a time and a place for things , this sort of thing is more suited to personal jokes between friends and groups on Facebook .
Pardon ? [ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a time and a place for things, this sort of thing is more suited to personal jokes between friends and groups on Facebook.
Pardon? [slashdot.org]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30518800</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261402980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is no way they are committing fraud. There is no intent to deceive. There are provisions under the Electoral Act that cover political advertising, and this website falls under the same protections of that act.</p><p>The Australian Labor Party (of which Conroy is member for those not in Australia) has it's website at www.labor.com.au -- The suggestion that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com.au isn't appropriate for political websites would be quite hypocritical on their part.</p><p>It's also important to realise that this is selective enforcement of AuDA policy, bypassing normal procedure.</p><p>Removing this domain registration is a blunt act of political censorship, of very questionable legality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no way they are committing fraud .
There is no intent to deceive .
There are provisions under the Electoral Act that cover political advertising , and this website falls under the same protections of that act.The Australian Labor Party ( of which Conroy is member for those not in Australia ) has it 's website at www.labor.com.au -- The suggestion that .com.au is n't appropriate for political websites would be quite hypocritical on their part.It 's also important to realise that this is selective enforcement of AuDA policy , bypassing normal procedure.Removing this domain registration is a blunt act of political censorship , of very questionable legality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no way they are committing fraud.
There is no intent to deceive.
There are provisions under the Electoral Act that cover political advertising, and this website falls under the same protections of that act.The Australian Labor Party (of which Conroy is member for those not in Australia) has it's website at www.labor.com.au -- The suggestion that .com.au isn't appropriate for political websites would be quite hypocritical on their part.It's also important to realise that this is selective enforcement of AuDA policy, bypassing normal procedure.Removing this domain registration is a blunt act of political censorship, of very questionable legality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30513636</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1261418460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; I think this is somewhat justified. Sure, where do you draw the line but<br>&gt; this site was registered under a false name</p><p>Where do you get that?</p><p>&gt; -- that of someone in Parliament.</p><p>So what?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I think this is somewhat justified .
Sure , where do you draw the line but &gt; this site was registered under a false nameWhere do you get that ? &gt; -- that of someone in Parliament.So what ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; I think this is somewhat justified.
Sure, where do you draw the line but&gt; this site was registered under a false nameWhere do you get that?&gt; -- that of someone in Parliament.So what?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30513418</id>
	<title>This is the REAL reason for censorship</title>
	<author>kurt555gs</author>
	<datestamp>1261417560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Politicians ALWAYS use the "to protect the children" line to create laws that are used for political censorship.</p><p>They push these laws through with hoards of whiners crying that something must be done to stop child pornography, but the true aim is never that.</p><p>The true aim of any law that tries to catch "online predators", or kiddy porn distributors is really to stop political dissent.</p><p>How often have we heard the cry that "they" need to circumvent basic rights of freedom to "protect the children". This is always effective because anyone that opposes these laws on the basis of "rights" is slammed as supporting sexual predators.</p><p>I for one am sick of losing constitutionally guaranteed rights to those that want to suppress free speech, and use the lame "think of the children" line over and over again to fool the stupid.</p><p>So, there!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Politicians ALWAYS use the " to protect the children " line to create laws that are used for political censorship.They push these laws through with hoards of whiners crying that something must be done to stop child pornography , but the true aim is never that.The true aim of any law that tries to catch " online predators " , or kiddy porn distributors is really to stop political dissent.How often have we heard the cry that " they " need to circumvent basic rights of freedom to " protect the children " .
This is always effective because anyone that opposes these laws on the basis of " rights " is slammed as supporting sexual predators.I for one am sick of losing constitutionally guaranteed rights to those that want to suppress free speech , and use the lame " think of the children " line over and over again to fool the stupid.So , there !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Politicians ALWAYS use the "to protect the children" line to create laws that are used for political censorship.They push these laws through with hoards of whiners crying that something must be done to stop child pornography, but the true aim is never that.The true aim of any law that tries to catch "online predators", or kiddy porn distributors is really to stop political dissent.How often have we heard the cry that "they" need to circumvent basic rights of freedom to "protect the children".
This is always effective because anyone that opposes these laws on the basis of "rights" is slammed as supporting sexual predators.I for one am sick of losing constitutionally guaranteed rights to those that want to suppress free speech, and use the lame "think of the children" line over and over again to fool the stupid.So, there!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30514892</id>
	<title>They did this on purpose</title>
	<author>SquirrelCrack</author>
	<datestamp>1261423980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll bet that they knew exactly what they were doing when they registered the domain and the government / domain authority played right into their hands.</p><p>After all, here we are discussing it on Slashdot.</p><p>-T</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll bet that they knew exactly what they were doing when they registered the domain and the government / domain authority played right into their hands.After all , here we are discussing it on Slashdot.-T  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll bet that they knew exactly what they were doing when they registered the domain and the government / domain authority played right into their hands.After all, here we are discussing it on Slashdot.-T
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510122</id>
	<title>Re:Now does everyone realise</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261390440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hmmm, a "climate skeptic" who would vote "Pirate" over Green - this is a synonym for "retard".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmmm , a " climate skeptic " who would vote " Pirate " over Green - this is a synonym for " retard " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmmm, a "climate skeptic" who would vote "Pirate" over Green - this is a synonym for "retard".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510800</id>
	<title>Re:You-turn..</title>
	<author>Mashiki</author>
	<datestamp>1261399800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AC shouldn't even be modded insightful.  Despite the whining and complaining of people inside the US, you have some of the freest speech laws in the world.  Both verbally and online, it swings back and forth depending on the country but the US has a good balance between the two.  Look at your neighbors to the north, good freedom online but medium-fair verbal.  Don't you dare even consider saying any form of derogatory remark about someone.  "Thems hate speech"</p><p>Personally I'm in favor of "none" unless it's actually going to cause harm someone. Aka the old test of yelling fire in a crowded theatre.  Then it should be dealt with on a one on one basis.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AC should n't even be modded insightful .
Despite the whining and complaining of people inside the US , you have some of the freest speech laws in the world .
Both verbally and online , it swings back and forth depending on the country but the US has a good balance between the two .
Look at your neighbors to the north , good freedom online but medium-fair verbal .
Do n't you dare even consider saying any form of derogatory remark about someone .
" Thems hate speech " Personally I 'm in favor of " none " unless it 's actually going to cause harm someone .
Aka the old test of yelling fire in a crowded theatre .
Then it should be dealt with on a one on one basis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AC shouldn't even be modded insightful.
Despite the whining and complaining of people inside the US, you have some of the freest speech laws in the world.
Both verbally and online, it swings back and forth depending on the country but the US has a good balance between the two.
Look at your neighbors to the north, good freedom online but medium-fair verbal.
Don't you dare even consider saying any form of derogatory remark about someone.
"Thems hate speech"Personally I'm in favor of "none" unless it's actually going to cause harm someone.
Aka the old test of yelling fire in a crowded theatre.
Then it should be dealt with on a one on one basis.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509942</id>
	<title>not a US domain name</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261387200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>.com is NOT a United States domain name.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.us is the united states.</p><p>Just more clueless idiots posting fallacies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.com is NOT a United States domain name .
.us is the united states.Just more clueless idiots posting fallacies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.com is NOT a United States domain name.
.us is the united states.Just more clueless idiots posting fallacies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509578</id>
	<title>YuX0 fail it!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261337700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>learn what mistakeS Projec7 somewhere</htmltext>
<tokenext>learn what mistakeS Projec7 somewhere</tokentext>
<sentencetext>learn what mistakeS Projec7 somewhere</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30511134</id>
	<title>Seeing Bush's presidency...</title>
	<author>Errol backfiring</author>
	<datestamp>1261404600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think Bush was the one where the heart was ripped out. They needed a monkey with brains for the other scene.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think Bush was the one where the heart was ripped out .
They needed a monkey with brains for the other scene .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think Bush was the one where the heart was ripped out.
They needed a monkey with brains for the other scene.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509622</id>
	<title>Domain Name Registration Requirements</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261338540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having registered some ".com.au" names previously, they are much stricter about ensuring that ".com.au" are only used for <i>commercial</i> purposes - you generally have to supply evidence or details (such as company registration numbers, registered business name details, etc) that confirm the commercial nature of the registration.</p><p>There are most likely also strict rules regarding usage of names, trademarks and similar items</p><p>Given this, it is highly likely that the AU domain authority have decided that the registration does not meet the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com.au requirements. I would not be surprised if they've pulled the registration because of this.</p><p>They've moved to a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com registration anyway, which doesn't have any significant commercial criteria for obtaining the registration </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having registered some " .com.au " names previously , they are much stricter about ensuring that " .com.au " are only used for commercial purposes - you generally have to supply evidence or details ( such as company registration numbers , registered business name details , etc ) that confirm the commercial nature of the registration.There are most likely also strict rules regarding usage of names , trademarks and similar itemsGiven this , it is highly likely that the AU domain authority have decided that the registration does not meet the .com.au requirements .
I would not be surprised if they 've pulled the registration because of this.They 've moved to a .com registration anyway , which does n't have any significant commercial criteria for obtaining the registration</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having registered some ".com.au" names previously, they are much stricter about ensuring that ".com.au" are only used for commercial purposes - you generally have to supply evidence or details (such as company registration numbers, registered business name details, etc) that confirm the commercial nature of the registration.There are most likely also strict rules regarding usage of names, trademarks and similar itemsGiven this, it is highly likely that the AU domain authority have decided that the registration does not meet the .com.au requirements.
I would not be surprised if they've pulled the registration because of this.They've moved to a .com registration anyway, which doesn't have any significant commercial criteria for obtaining the registration </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509534</id>
	<title>As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261336980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think this is somewhat justified. Sure, where do you draw the line but this site was registered under a false name -- that of someone in Parliament. There's always the mature way and the immature way to handle things, and in this case with the people who created the same, they took the immature route. There's a time and a place for things, this sort of thing is more suited to personal jokes between friends and groups on Facebook.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this is somewhat justified .
Sure , where do you draw the line but this site was registered under a false name -- that of someone in Parliament .
There 's always the mature way and the immature way to handle things , and in this case with the people who created the same , they took the immature route .
There 's a time and a place for things , this sort of thing is more suited to personal jokes between friends and groups on Facebook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this is somewhat justified.
Sure, where do you draw the line but this site was registered under a false name -- that of someone in Parliament.
There's always the mature way and the immature way to handle things, and in this case with the people who created the same, they took the immature route.
There's a time and a place for things, this sort of thing is more suited to personal jokes between friends and groups on Facebook.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510028</id>
	<title>Re:Now does everyone realise</title>
	<author>ghostdoc</author>
	<datestamp>1261388640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a climate skeptic though...so no Green for me.</p><p>I'm voting Pirate if we can stand anyone up for it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p><a href="http://pirateparty.org.au/" title="pirateparty.org.au">http://pirateparty.org.au/</a> [pirateparty.org.au]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a climate skeptic though...so no Green for me.I 'm voting Pirate if we can stand anyone up for it : ) http : //pirateparty.org.au/ [ pirateparty.org.au ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a climate skeptic though...so no Green for me.I'm voting Pirate if we can stand anyone up for it :)http://pirateparty.org.au/ [pirateparty.org.au]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30513032</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1261415820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why is everybody dancing around the giant elephant in the room, instead of pointing to it?</p><p>That elephant is the definition of the line that separates what is ok from what is not. (Well, it&rsquo;s a bit different for everybody, but you get my point.)</p><p>In law the separation is simple: It&rsquo;s is only illegal, if it&rsquo;s not a fact and hurts somebody. Facts are facts.<br>Now it might be in &ldquo;political correct&rdquo; &ldquo;dispute&rdquo; whether he&rsquo;s a fascist. But in reality, he is. So it&rsquo;s not slander. (Which of course a judge would never decide that way, for the same reason that so many people did not oppose Hitler at all, or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram\_experiment" title="wikipedia.org">Milgram&rsquo;s experiment</a> [wikipedia.org] went the way it went. The reality distortion bubbles that &ldquo;authority figures&rdquo; create, can draw in even judges.)</p><p>Now it certainly hurts him. But that&rsquo;s the point. Criminals should be punished. And if the criminal is the government itself... you get the drift.<br>Now I&rsquo;m not saying we should just lynch everybody. Just like I&rsquo;m not saying we should spread lies.</p><p>I&rsquo;m saying that we are the people, and if the government fails, we take over and fix it. Because we own it, and need it.</p><p>Showing that which hurts us, and is hidden by those who hurt us, is step one.<br>Standing up, and changing it, is step two. Which never happens without step one drawing in a critical mass of the population (Including those that live a completely passive lifestyle / walking daze. Which unfortunately is most of if nowadays.).</p><p>That&rsquo;s why we humans always just complain, and don&rsquo;t change it: We wait and try to create that critical mass.<br>(Ok, some don&rsquo;t, like me. But it&rsquo;s not a comfortable life, when you actually stand up, and are alone. So I can&rsquo;t do it often, or I don&rsquo;t have anything else and it wrecks my life. I think most of us are a bit like that inside. Some more, some less. Mostly less, I guess.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:/)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is everybody dancing around the giant elephant in the room , instead of pointing to it ? That elephant is the definition of the line that separates what is ok from what is not .
( Well , it    s a bit different for everybody , but you get my point .
) In law the separation is simple : It    s is only illegal , if it    s not a fact and hurts somebody .
Facts are facts.Now it might be in    political correct       dispute    whether he    s a fascist .
But in reality , he is .
So it    s not slander .
( Which of course a judge would never decide that way , for the same reason that so many people did not oppose Hitler at all , or Milgram    s experiment [ wikipedia.org ] went the way it went .
The reality distortion bubbles that    authority figures    create , can draw in even judges .
) Now it certainly hurts him .
But that    s the point .
Criminals should be punished .
And if the criminal is the government itself... you get the drift.Now I    m not saying we should just lynch everybody .
Just like I    m not saying we should spread lies.I    m saying that we are the people , and if the government fails , we take over and fix it .
Because we own it , and need it.Showing that which hurts us , and is hidden by those who hurt us , is step one.Standing up , and changing it , is step two .
Which never happens without step one drawing in a critical mass of the population ( Including those that live a completely passive lifestyle / walking daze .
Which unfortunately is most of if nowadays .
) .That    s why we humans always just complain , and don    t change it : We wait and try to create that critical mass .
( Ok , some don    t , like me .
But it    s not a comfortable life , when you actually stand up , and are alone .
So I can    t do it often , or I don    t have anything else and it wrecks my life .
I think most of us are a bit like that inside .
Some more , some less .
Mostly less , I guess .
: / )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is everybody dancing around the giant elephant in the room, instead of pointing to it?That elephant is the definition of the line that separates what is ok from what is not.
(Well, it’s a bit different for everybody, but you get my point.
)In law the separation is simple: It’s is only illegal, if it’s not a fact and hurts somebody.
Facts are facts.Now it might be in “political correct” “dispute” whether he’s a fascist.
But in reality, he is.
So it’s not slander.
(Which of course a judge would never decide that way, for the same reason that so many people did not oppose Hitler at all, or Milgram’s experiment [wikipedia.org] went the way it went.
The reality distortion bubbles that “authority figures” create, can draw in even judges.
)Now it certainly hurts him.
But that’s the point.
Criminals should be punished.
And if the criminal is the government itself... you get the drift.Now I’m not saying we should just lynch everybody.
Just like I’m not saying we should spread lies.I’m saying that we are the people, and if the government fails, we take over and fix it.
Because we own it, and need it.Showing that which hurts us, and is hidden by those who hurt us, is step one.Standing up, and changing it, is step two.
Which never happens without step one drawing in a critical mass of the population (Including those that live a completely passive lifestyle / walking daze.
Which unfortunately is most of if nowadays.
).That’s why we humans always just complain, and don’t change it: We wait and try to create that critical mass.
(Ok, some don’t, like me.
But it’s not a comfortable life, when you actually stand up, and are alone.
So I can’t do it often, or I don’t have anything else and it wrecks my life.
I think most of us are a bit like that inside.
Some more, some less.
Mostly less, I guess.
:/)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30521478</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261473360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well is there a time and a place to introduce draconian evil measures proven to be for the purpose of aiding government in censoring news leaks and information they don't want you to have? He's a public official. Fair game in my opinion. He wants to take away our freedoms to know what the government is doing, so that they will have the flow of information totally sewn up with the media in the pocket of their masters the money makers? I think not. He's getting paid, he's doing the wrong thing. Fair game.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well is there a time and a place to introduce draconian evil measures proven to be for the purpose of aiding government in censoring news leaks and information they do n't want you to have ?
He 's a public official .
Fair game in my opinion .
He wants to take away our freedoms to know what the government is doing , so that they will have the flow of information totally sewn up with the media in the pocket of their masters the money makers ?
I think not .
He 's getting paid , he 's doing the wrong thing .
Fair game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well is there a time and a place to introduce draconian evil measures proven to be for the purpose of aiding government in censoring news leaks and information they don't want you to have?
He's a public official.
Fair game in my opinion.
He wants to take away our freedoms to know what the government is doing, so that they will have the flow of information totally sewn up with the media in the pocket of their masters the money makers?
I think not.
He's getting paid, he's doing the wrong thing.
Fair game.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30511430</id>
	<title>Re:Australians not a free people</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1261407180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So because I can't get a FL driving license because I live in NJ, the US is not a nation of free people?</p><p>Citizens of the United States are not a free people because Microsoft won't let me hold my Voodoo goat sacrifice ceremony in their reception?</p><p>It isn't censorship, they can put the content on a domain name they meet the requirements for having. Sure the US has looser restrictions (well no restrictions) on their domain names.</p><p>Of course Australia is being heavy handed on the censorship, but this is a private entity following their own published rules.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So because I ca n't get a FL driving license because I live in NJ , the US is not a nation of free people ? Citizens of the United States are not a free people because Microsoft wo n't let me hold my Voodoo goat sacrifice ceremony in their reception ? It is n't censorship , they can put the content on a domain name they meet the requirements for having .
Sure the US has looser restrictions ( well no restrictions ) on their domain names.Of course Australia is being heavy handed on the censorship , but this is a private entity following their own published rules .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So because I can't get a FL driving license because I live in NJ, the US is not a nation of free people?Citizens of the United States are not a free people because Microsoft won't let me hold my Voodoo goat sacrifice ceremony in their reception?It isn't censorship, they can put the content on a domain name they meet the requirements for having.
Sure the US has looser restrictions (well no restrictions) on their domain names.Of course Australia is being heavy handed on the censorship, but this is a private entity following their own published rules.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510246</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509538</id>
	<title>To be fair...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261336980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm no fan of Stephen Conroy's Great Wall of Australia, but the owners of the site in question can't have any claim to legitimacy if they fraudulently use someone else's name to register it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm no fan of Stephen Conroy 's Great Wall of Australia , but the owners of the site in question ca n't have any claim to legitimacy if they fraudulently use someone else 's name to register it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm no fan of Stephen Conroy's Great Wall of Australia, but the owners of the site in question can't have any claim to legitimacy if they fraudulently use someone else's name to register it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30511958</id>
	<title>Re:You-turn..</title>
	<author>CrazyDuke</author>
	<datestamp>1261410240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not that one dimensional.  Regardless of the relative depth of authoritarianism, there are differing chains of command.  It's one thing to order one of your lackeys to do something.  It's another to order some other nation's lackeys to do something.  The latter requires spending political capital.  They can do it; but, it takes time and sometimes requires more effort than it's worth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not that one dimensional .
Regardless of the relative depth of authoritarianism , there are differing chains of command .
It 's one thing to order one of your lackeys to do something .
It 's another to order some other nation 's lackeys to do something .
The latter requires spending political capital .
They can do it ; but , it takes time and sometimes requires more effort than it 's worth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not that one dimensional.
Regardless of the relative depth of authoritarianism, there are differing chains of command.
It's one thing to order one of your lackeys to do something.
It's another to order some other nation's lackeys to do something.
The latter requires spending political capital.
They can do it; but, it takes time and sometimes requires more effort than it's worth.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510158</id>
	<title>Sigh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261391100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The domain WAS registered using a registered business ABN. auDA pulled the domain for an undisclosed reason and it broke none of their rules.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The domain WAS registered using a registered business ABN .
auDA pulled the domain for an undisclosed reason and it broke none of their rules .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The domain WAS registered using a registered business ABN.
auDA pulled the domain for an undisclosed reason and it broke none of their rules.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509562</id>
	<title>Re:To be fair...</title>
	<author>some\_guy\_88</author>
	<datestamp>1261337400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To get a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.au address you need to have a business, proven by providing your ABN (Australia Business Number). So I guess it's fair enough that this domain is removed if they weren't following these rules but I didn't RTFA.</p><p>On the other hand, Steven Conroy is one of the countries biggest douche bags so he completely deserves all the shit he gets.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To get a .au address you need to have a business , proven by providing your ABN ( Australia Business Number ) .
So I guess it 's fair enough that this domain is removed if they were n't following these rules but I did n't RTFA.On the other hand , Steven Conroy is one of the countries biggest douche bags so he completely deserves all the shit he gets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To get a .au address you need to have a business, proven by providing your ABN (Australia Business Number).
So I guess it's fair enough that this domain is removed if they weren't following these rules but I didn't RTFA.On the other hand, Steven Conroy is one of the countries biggest douche bags so he completely deserves all the shit he gets.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509640</id>
	<title>welcome to a labor government</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261338780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>this is what labor are all about, they are all about making everyone tow the line, there's a good worker join that union and don't you DARE try better yourself or we will label you "rich" (income of 90k and up? are you for real that's not rich) and tax the bejesus out of you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>this is what labor are all about , they are all about making everyone tow the line , there 's a good worker join that union and do n't you DARE try better yourself or we will label you " rich " ( income of 90k and up ?
are you for real that 's not rich ) and tax the bejesus out of you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is what labor are all about, they are all about making everyone tow the line, there's a good worker join that union and don't you DARE try better yourself or we will label you "rich" (income of 90k and up?
are you for real that's not rich) and tax the bejesus out of you.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510246</id>
	<title>Australians not a free people</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1261392300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While this kind of thing is permitted to go on, Australians cannot consider themselves a free people.  In the U.S., there are quite a few reasons we should no longer be considered a free people as well, but this example of censorship is pretty extreme.  In fact, both examples are extreme... the original cause and the satirical response.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While this kind of thing is permitted to go on , Australians can not consider themselves a free people .
In the U.S. , there are quite a few reasons we should no longer be considered a free people as well , but this example of censorship is pretty extreme .
In fact , both examples are extreme... the original cause and the satirical response .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While this kind of thing is permitted to go on, Australians cannot consider themselves a free people.
In the U.S., there are quite a few reasons we should no longer be considered a free people as well, but this example of censorship is pretty extreme.
In fact, both examples are extreme... the original cause and the satirical response.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30517206</id>
	<title>Re:As evil as it sounds...</title>
	<author>prikkebeen</author>
	<datestamp>1261391880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Steven Conroy is a fascist with a stick up his arse, pure and simple.

I'm in the States, and Steven Conroy makes me want to punch him.</p></div><p>You must be a very nice person.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Steven Conroy is a fascist with a stick up his arse , pure and simple .
I 'm in the States , and Steven Conroy makes me want to punch him.You must be a very nice person .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Steven Conroy is a fascist with a stick up his arse, pure and simple.
I'm in the States, and Steven Conroy makes me want to punch him.You must be a very nice person.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30511146</id>
	<title>Re:Eh, the SITE is a parody, the registry isn't</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261404720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30510288</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30509532</id>
	<title>First!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261336860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First post due to others being filtered.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First post due to others being filtered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First post due to others being filtered.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_227224.30511340</id>
	<title>You can't have a .com.au unless</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1261406400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the name is a registered business/company name or trademark or statutory authority or association.</p><p>They can fast track it because it is fucking obvious it isn't in this case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the name is a registered business/company name or trademark or statutory authority or association.They can fast track it because it is fucking obvious it is n't in this case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the name is a registered business/company name or trademark or statutory authority or association.They can fast track it because it is fucking obvious it isn't in this case.</sentencetext>
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