<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_20_2012235</id>
	<title>Grigory Perelman and the Poincare Conjecture</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1261307820000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>EagleHasLanded writes <i>"<a href="http://failuremag.com/index.php/site/print/million\_dollar\_math\_problem/">Russian mathematician Grigory Perelman</a> doesn't talk to journalists. Actually, he doesn't talk to anyone anymore. So we'll have to settle for insights via his biographer, Masha Gessen, who, strangely enough, has never talked to him either. But she has spoken with just about everyone who has ever had any significant interaction with Perelman, and the result is the book <em>Perfect Rigor</em>, which more than adequately explains why Perelman has gone into self-imposed exile, and why he probably won't collect the million dollars he won by <a href="//science.slashdot.org/story/04/01/01/0035258/Has-The-Poincare-Conjecture-Been-Solved">solving the Poincare Conjecture</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>EagleHasLanded writes " Russian mathematician Grigory Perelman does n't talk to journalists .
Actually , he does n't talk to anyone anymore .
So we 'll have to settle for insights via his biographer , Masha Gessen , who , strangely enough , has never talked to him either .
But she has spoken with just about everyone who has ever had any significant interaction with Perelman , and the result is the book Perfect Rigor , which more than adequately explains why Perelman has gone into self-imposed exile , and why he probably wo n't collect the million dollars he won by solving the Poincare Conjecture .
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<sentencetext>EagleHasLanded writes "Russian mathematician Grigory Perelman doesn't talk to journalists.
Actually, he doesn't talk to anyone anymore.
So we'll have to settle for insights via his biographer, Masha Gessen, who, strangely enough, has never talked to him either.
But she has spoken with just about everyone who has ever had any significant interaction with Perelman, and the result is the book Perfect Rigor, which more than adequately explains why Perelman has gone into self-imposed exile, and why he probably won't collect the million dollars he won by solving the Poincare Conjecture.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30511532</id>
	<title>Re:Great piece from one who actually talked to him</title>
	<author>moeinvt</author>
	<datestamp>1261407720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That was interesting.  Thank you.  I especially liked the following part:</p><p>" . .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.along the highway between Beijing and the airport there were "billboards with pictures of Stephen Hawking plastered everywhere."</p><p>Now that's cool.  I've never had the pleasure of seeing a lecture by Hawking in person.  Is it common for someone like him to get this type of publicity ANYWHERE in the U.S. ?  Apart from a few tiny posters stapled on campus bulletin boards and taped to light poles, I don't recall seeing any type of real publicity for a public appearance by a scientist, mathematician or engineer.  Sad reality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That was interesting .
Thank you .
I especially liked the following part : " .
. .along the highway between Beijing and the airport there were " billboards with pictures of Stephen Hawking plastered everywhere .
" Now that 's cool .
I 've never had the pleasure of seeing a lecture by Hawking in person .
Is it common for someone like him to get this type of publicity ANYWHERE in the U.S. ? Apart from a few tiny posters stapled on campus bulletin boards and taped to light poles , I do n't recall seeing any type of real publicity for a public appearance by a scientist , mathematician or engineer .
Sad reality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was interesting.
Thank you.
I especially liked the following part:" .
. .along the highway between Beijing and the airport there were "billboards with pictures of Stephen Hawking plastered everywhere.
"Now that's cool.
I've never had the pleasure of seeing a lecture by Hawking in person.
Is it common for someone like him to get this type of publicity ANYWHERE in the U.S. ?  Apart from a few tiny posters stapled on campus bulletin boards and taped to light poles, I don't recall seeing any type of real publicity for a public appearance by a scientist, mathematician or engineer.
Sad reality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30507974</id>
	<title>Re:Knows as much about ethics as he does mathemati</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1261317660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>  People like Perelman have a more instinctive grasp of ethics than any neurotypical types.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.</p></div><p>This is an inaccurate generalization. I am not familiar with Perelman and have no idea of what motivates him. However, since you do not know every neurotypical type  in the world, there is no way you can know that there are <strong>no</strong> neurotypical types with as strong a grasp of ethics as Perelman (and others like him).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>People like Perelman have a more instinctive grasp of ethics than any neurotypical types .
.This is an inaccurate generalization .
I am not familiar with Perelman and have no idea of what motivates him .
However , since you do not know every neurotypical type in the world , there is no way you can know that there are no neurotypical types with as strong a grasp of ethics as Perelman ( and others like him ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  People like Perelman have a more instinctive grasp of ethics than any neurotypical types.
.This is an inaccurate generalization.
I am not familiar with Perelman and have no idea of what motivates him.
However, since you do not know every neurotypical type  in the world, there is no way you can know that there are no neurotypical types with as strong a grasp of ethics as Perelman (and others like him).
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30507964</id>
	<title>Re:Mathematicians</title>
	<author>martas</author>
	<datestamp>1261317480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Everything that people do must have a rational reason, and if they can't find one they will construct a reason that seems rational to them...</p></div><p>

How is this specific to mathematicians?</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... regardless of how simplistic it is, or how dim a view of their fellow human beings it leads them to.</p></div><p>

How is this a problem?</p></div>
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<tokenext>Everything that people do must have a rational reason , and if they ca n't find one they will construct a reason that seems rational to them.. . How is this specific to mathematicians ?
... regardless of how simplistic it is , or how dim a view of their fellow human beings it leads them to .
How is this a problem ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everything that people do must have a rational reason, and if they can't find one they will construct a reason that seems rational to them...

How is this specific to mathematicians?
... regardless of how simplistic it is, or how dim a view of their fellow human beings it leads them to.
How is this a problem?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30507488</id>
	<title>Who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261311540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Brittany Murphy is dead and we're supposed to give a fuck about some Russian hermit?  Life is not worth living anymore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Brittany Murphy is dead and we 're supposed to give a fuck about some Russian hermit ?
Life is not worth living anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Brittany Murphy is dead and we're supposed to give a fuck about some Russian hermit?
Life is not worth living anymore.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30510058</id>
	<title>Grigory Perelman, you have friends here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261389120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Although we cannot contact you we know you are doing a good thing for mathematics and for China.<br>Whether you make mistakes or not, there are people here who admire your way of highlighting your opinion. It separates the mathematicians who are in the field <strong>for fame</strong> from those who are in the field <strong>for mathematics</strong>.<br>While the Chinese may have pretty justifiable reasons for patriotism, mathematics is higher than nationalism. It is <strong>truth-seeking</strong> and so nationalism must not get priority over truth-seeking.</p><p>This is a mistake committed by European mathematicians for centuries. <strong>It is good to point out to the Chinese students that this is not how mathematics or truth-seeking is done</strong>.</p><p><strong>Thank you Grigory Perelman</strong><br>The good guys among the Chinese will realize this. I hope that Chinese mathematics will NOT go down the road of hubris in the future.<br><strong>Thank you for correcting the Chinese early in their mistake.</strong><br>I think that a sufficient number of ethical Chinese intellectuals have thus been cautioned against repeating this error.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Although we can not contact you we know you are doing a good thing for mathematics and for China.Whether you make mistakes or not , there are people here who admire your way of highlighting your opinion .
It separates the mathematicians who are in the field for fame from those who are in the field for mathematics.While the Chinese may have pretty justifiable reasons for patriotism , mathematics is higher than nationalism .
It is truth-seeking and so nationalism must not get priority over truth-seeking.This is a mistake committed by European mathematicians for centuries .
It is good to point out to the Chinese students that this is not how mathematics or truth-seeking is done.Thank you Grigory PerelmanThe good guys among the Chinese will realize this .
I hope that Chinese mathematics will NOT go down the road of hubris in the future.Thank you for correcting the Chinese early in their mistake.I think that a sufficient number of ethical Chinese intellectuals have thus been cautioned against repeating this error .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although we cannot contact you we know you are doing a good thing for mathematics and for China.Whether you make mistakes or not, there are people here who admire your way of highlighting your opinion.
It separates the mathematicians who are in the field for fame from those who are in the field for mathematics.While the Chinese may have pretty justifiable reasons for patriotism, mathematics is higher than nationalism.
It is truth-seeking and so nationalism must not get priority over truth-seeking.This is a mistake committed by European mathematicians for centuries.
It is good to point out to the Chinese students that this is not how mathematics or truth-seeking is done.Thank you Grigory PerelmanThe good guys among the Chinese will realize this.
I hope that Chinese mathematics will NOT go down the road of hubris in the future.Thank you for correcting the Chinese early in their mistake.I think that a sufficient number of ethical Chinese intellectuals have thus been cautioned against repeating this error.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30514718</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261423260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ive often wondered if Brittany Murphy's is in the same league as G Perlman. They are, after all, both curvacious at the top - just that one is bodacious and the other bootilicious. Are all spherical bodyparts homeomorphic regardless of their anatomical placement and number and attractive power ?  I would conjecture this to be true - after all bald men are considered virile by women, and bootilicious women hot by men.  In fact, I just PROVED this to be true for all curvacious body parts. Only, the proof is too long to be written down in this post.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ive often wondered if Brittany Murphy 's is in the same league as G Perlman .
They are , after all , both curvacious at the top - just that one is bodacious and the other bootilicious .
Are all spherical bodyparts homeomorphic regardless of their anatomical placement and number and attractive power ?
I would conjecture this to be true - after all bald men are considered virile by women , and bootilicious women hot by men .
In fact , I just PROVED this to be true for all curvacious body parts .
Only , the proof is too long to be written down in this post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ive often wondered if Brittany Murphy's is in the same league as G Perlman.
They are, after all, both curvacious at the top - just that one is bodacious and the other bootilicious.
Are all spherical bodyparts homeomorphic regardless of their anatomical placement and number and attractive power ?
I would conjecture this to be true - after all bald men are considered virile by women, and bootilicious women hot by men.
In fact, I just PROVED this to be true for all curvacious body parts.
Only, the proof is too long to be written down in this post.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30509064</id>
	<title>Re:Mathematicians</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261330560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am a (Ph.D.) mathematician that does not teach at a university, instead I work for an investment firm.  I also have a degrees in CS and Engineering.</p><p>I find your observations to be interesting and maybe a little true.</p><p>I definitely look at the world mathematically.  My other mathematician friends do not apply mathematics to almost everything the way I do.</p><p>"They tend to look at the world mathematically, and aren't really able to understand things they can't reduce to an equation. This leads to a very black and white view of the world, where things must be a certain way...."</p><p>I do love reducing things to equations.  I am quite good at that.  A number of people have risked millions of dollars on projects where I estimated the probability of success.  (We made millions of dollars on those projects.)  I often think that many things like love, beauty, and even religion may be amenable to a mathematical approach.  I don't think I see the world in black and white.  I tend to categorize assertions as either 1) Mathematically Proven (True/False), 2) Scientifically "proven", 3) Possibly True or False, 4) not possible to prove but possible to define, or 5) statements that refer to ambiguous concepts.</p><p>Here are three examples: I think that the world is warming due to man made CO2 emissions, but I don't think there is enough valid scientific evidence to be sure.  I don't think that long distance telepathy is possible, but I really don't know.  I know my children love me and my  understanding of that love does not seem to have much to do with mathematics or science.</p><p>I think you are very correct to think that mathematics changes the way that you think.  I was an engineer before I went to grad school for math.  After I got my math Ph.D., I took some engineering and science classes.  I had to change my thinking to be successful in those classes.  I was so used to mathematically precise objects that, during the first few weeks of class, I had a lot of difficulty with ambiguity in the homework problems.  After the first few weeks, I did quite well in the classes, but I did need to change my thinking.</p><p>"anything that doesn't fall into that worldview is just wrong"</p><p>My wife has religious views that I cannot understand and I tend to think that she is mostly wrong.  She thinks she can communicate with God and get answers about questions like "What should I wear today?"  Statistically, the answers she gets are true about 60\% or the time when the question is verifiably true or false.  That makes me think that she is wrong when she says she is talking to God.</p><p>"Everything that people do must have a rational reason, and if they can't find one they will construct a reason that seems rational to them--regardless of how simplistic it is, or how dim a view of their fellow human beings it leads them to."</p><p>This statement does not apply to me.  I really don't understand people well and many times I can't think why they behave the way they do.  On the other hand, one of my mathematician friends did try to figure out the rational motivations of other people.  He was very upset when he finally realized at age 40 that many if not most of our human motivations are not based in reason.</p><p>"Mathematicians, by and large, tend to be very unhappy people in my experience."</p><p>Three of my best friends are mathematicians and I am on a first name basis with about 20 other mathematicians.  My friends seem to be about as happy as most of the other people I know.  I will occasionally struggle with mild depression, but I think that would be normal for any parent facing the challenges I face.  (My son was in the hospital for a significant portion of his life.)  Most of my mathematician acquaintances seem happy, but maybe they are just happy to see me because I like and respect them all so much.</p><p>"Some mathematicians have a certain "spark" that allows them to abandon mathematics temporarily and give themselves over to the pleasure of an interpersonal relationship; but even so it is still against their nature</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a ( Ph.D. ) mathematician that does not teach at a university , instead I work for an investment firm .
I also have a degrees in CS and Engineering.I find your observations to be interesting and maybe a little true.I definitely look at the world mathematically .
My other mathematician friends do not apply mathematics to almost everything the way I do .
" They tend to look at the world mathematically , and are n't really able to understand things they ca n't reduce to an equation .
This leads to a very black and white view of the world , where things must be a certain way.... " I do love reducing things to equations .
I am quite good at that .
A number of people have risked millions of dollars on projects where I estimated the probability of success .
( We made millions of dollars on those projects .
) I often think that many things like love , beauty , and even religion may be amenable to a mathematical approach .
I do n't think I see the world in black and white .
I tend to categorize assertions as either 1 ) Mathematically Proven ( True/False ) , 2 ) Scientifically " proven " , 3 ) Possibly True or False , 4 ) not possible to prove but possible to define , or 5 ) statements that refer to ambiguous concepts.Here are three examples : I think that the world is warming due to man made CO2 emissions , but I do n't think there is enough valid scientific evidence to be sure .
I do n't think that long distance telepathy is possible , but I really do n't know .
I know my children love me and my understanding of that love does not seem to have much to do with mathematics or science.I think you are very correct to think that mathematics changes the way that you think .
I was an engineer before I went to grad school for math .
After I got my math Ph.D. , I took some engineering and science classes .
I had to change my thinking to be successful in those classes .
I was so used to mathematically precise objects that , during the first few weeks of class , I had a lot of difficulty with ambiguity in the homework problems .
After the first few weeks , I did quite well in the classes , but I did need to change my thinking .
" anything that does n't fall into that worldview is just wrong " My wife has religious views that I can not understand and I tend to think that she is mostly wrong .
She thinks she can communicate with God and get answers about questions like " What should I wear today ?
" Statistically , the answers she gets are true about 60 \ % or the time when the question is verifiably true or false .
That makes me think that she is wrong when she says she is talking to God .
" Everything that people do must have a rational reason , and if they ca n't find one they will construct a reason that seems rational to them--regardless of how simplistic it is , or how dim a view of their fellow human beings it leads them to .
" This statement does not apply to me .
I really do n't understand people well and many times I ca n't think why they behave the way they do .
On the other hand , one of my mathematician friends did try to figure out the rational motivations of other people .
He was very upset when he finally realized at age 40 that many if not most of our human motivations are not based in reason .
" Mathematicians , by and large , tend to be very unhappy people in my experience .
" Three of my best friends are mathematicians and I am on a first name basis with about 20 other mathematicians .
My friends seem to be about as happy as most of the other people I know .
I will occasionally struggle with mild depression , but I think that would be normal for any parent facing the challenges I face .
( My son was in the hospital for a significant portion of his life .
) Most of my mathematician acquaintances seem happy , but maybe they are just happy to see me because I like and respect them all so much .
" Some mathematicians have a certain " spark " that allows them to abandon mathematics temporarily and give themselves over to the pleasure of an interpersonal relationship ; but even so it is still against their nature</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a (Ph.D.) mathematician that does not teach at a university, instead I work for an investment firm.
I also have a degrees in CS and Engineering.I find your observations to be interesting and maybe a little true.I definitely look at the world mathematically.
My other mathematician friends do not apply mathematics to almost everything the way I do.
"They tend to look at the world mathematically, and aren't really able to understand things they can't reduce to an equation.
This leads to a very black and white view of the world, where things must be a certain way...."I do love reducing things to equations.
I am quite good at that.
A number of people have risked millions of dollars on projects where I estimated the probability of success.
(We made millions of dollars on those projects.
)  I often think that many things like love, beauty, and even religion may be amenable to a mathematical approach.
I don't think I see the world in black and white.
I tend to categorize assertions as either 1) Mathematically Proven (True/False), 2) Scientifically "proven", 3) Possibly True or False, 4) not possible to prove but possible to define, or 5) statements that refer to ambiguous concepts.Here are three examples: I think that the world is warming due to man made CO2 emissions, but I don't think there is enough valid scientific evidence to be sure.
I don't think that long distance telepathy is possible, but I really don't know.
I know my children love me and my  understanding of that love does not seem to have much to do with mathematics or science.I think you are very correct to think that mathematics changes the way that you think.
I was an engineer before I went to grad school for math.
After I got my math Ph.D., I took some engineering and science classes.
I had to change my thinking to be successful in those classes.
I was so used to mathematically precise objects that, during the first few weeks of class, I had a lot of difficulty with ambiguity in the homework problems.
After the first few weeks, I did quite well in the classes, but I did need to change my thinking.
"anything that doesn't fall into that worldview is just wrong"My wife has religious views that I cannot understand and I tend to think that she is mostly wrong.
She thinks she can communicate with God and get answers about questions like "What should I wear today?
"  Statistically, the answers she gets are true about 60\% or the time when the question is verifiably true or false.
That makes me think that she is wrong when she says she is talking to God.
"Everything that people do must have a rational reason, and if they can't find one they will construct a reason that seems rational to them--regardless of how simplistic it is, or how dim a view of their fellow human beings it leads them to.
"This statement does not apply to me.
I really don't understand people well and many times I can't think why they behave the way they do.
On the other hand, one of my mathematician friends did try to figure out the rational motivations of other people.
He was very upset when he finally realized at age 40 that many if not most of our human motivations are not based in reason.
"Mathematicians, by and large, tend to be very unhappy people in my experience.
"Three of my best friends are mathematicians and I am on a first name basis with about 20 other mathematicians.
My friends seem to be about as happy as most of the other people I know.
I will occasionally struggle with mild depression, but I think that would be normal for any parent facing the challenges I face.
(My son was in the hospital for a significant portion of his life.
)  Most of my mathematician acquaintances seem happy, but maybe they are just happy to see me because I like and respect them all so much.
"Some mathematicians have a certain "spark" that allows them to abandon mathematics temporarily and give themselves over to the pleasure of an interpersonal relationship; but even so it is still against their nature</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30512768</id>
	<title>Re:Humankind Cares</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1261414800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Albert Einstein wasn't anywhere nearly as "eccentric" as he has been made out to be in popular culture. He was politically active, married (twice), employed in conventional jobs, and maintained an active correspondence with many other physicists around the world. He even founded a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympia\_Academy" title="wikipedia.org">social club</a> [wikipedia.org] and had (by most accounts) a great sense of humor. He was hardly some autistic social outcast.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Albert Einstein was n't anywhere nearly as " eccentric " as he has been made out to be in popular culture .
He was politically active , married ( twice ) , employed in conventional jobs , and maintained an active correspondence with many other physicists around the world .
He even founded a social club [ wikipedia.org ] and had ( by most accounts ) a great sense of humor .
He was hardly some autistic social outcast .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Albert Einstein wasn't anywhere nearly as "eccentric" as he has been made out to be in popular culture.
He was politically active, married (twice), employed in conventional jobs, and maintained an active correspondence with many other physicists around the world.
He even founded a social club [wikipedia.org] and had (by most accounts) a great sense of humor.
He was hardly some autistic social outcast.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
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	<title>Check wikipedia</title>
	<author>vlokje</author>
	<datestamp>1261312620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>According to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poincar\%C3\%A9\_conjecture" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poincar\%C3\%A9\_conjecture</a> [wikipedia.org] it was solved around 2002</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poincar \ % C3 \ % A9 \ _conjecture [ wikipedia.org ] it was solved around 2002</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poincar\%C3\%A9\_conjecture [wikipedia.org] it was solved around 2002</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Mathematicians</title>
	<author>tehcyder</author>
	<datestamp>1261409460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>This is a universal affliction among mathematicians I've known.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
I think your sample size may be inadequate, then.</p></div>
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<tokenext>This is a universal affliction among mathematicians I 've known .
I think your sample size may be inadequate , then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a universal affliction among mathematicians I've known.
I think your sample size may be inadequate, then.
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	<title>Re:Knows as much about ethics as he does mathemati</title>
	<author>Citizen of Earth</author>
	<datestamp>1261396320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>He's an obvious case of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid\_personality\_disorder" title="wikipedia.org">Schizoid personality "disorder"</a> [wikipedia.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's an obvious case of Schizoid personality " disorder " [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's an obvious case of Schizoid personality "disorder" [wikipedia.org].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30507870</id>
	<title>Re:Knows as much about ethics as he does mathemati</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261316340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is Perelman ethically genius?  Refusing to take money (or lucrative positions) for solving hard math problems seems, ethically, neither good or bad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is Perelman ethically genius ?
Refusing to take money ( or lucrative positions ) for solving hard math problems seems , ethically , neither good or bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is Perelman ethically genius?
Refusing to take money (or lucrative positions) for solving hard math problems seems, ethically, neither good or bad.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30508686</id>
	<title>Re:Copy/Paste mathematics paper</title>
	<author>AndroidCat</author>
	<datestamp>1261326360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm expecting email from some lawyer telling me that Mr. ANDROIDCAT is the closest living relative of Grigory Perelman and that I can collect it as soon as I forward some banking details...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm expecting email from some lawyer telling me that Mr. ANDROIDCAT is the closest living relative of Grigory Perelman and that I can collect it as soon as I forward some banking details.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm expecting email from some lawyer telling me that Mr. ANDROIDCAT is the closest living relative of Grigory Perelman and that I can collect it as soon as I forward some banking details...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30507618</id>
	<title>Re:Check wikipedia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261312980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>psst:  click the 2nd link in The Fine Summary.</p><p>You will discover that "we know, and we're talking about him."</p><p>At least try to keep up if you're going to post, ok?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>psst : click the 2nd link in The Fine Summary.You will discover that " we know , and we 're talking about him .
" At least try to keep up if you 're going to post , ok ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>psst:  click the 2nd link in The Fine Summary.You will discover that "we know, and we're talking about him.
"At least try to keep up if you're going to post, ok?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30507640</id>
	<title>Re:Copy/Paste mathematics paper</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261313160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey moderators: Lost your sense of humor again?<br>Happens quite often lately.</p><p>Or is the new average age for moderators somewhere around 14?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey moderators : Lost your sense of humor again ? Happens quite often lately.Or is the new average age for moderators somewhere around 14 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey moderators: Lost your sense of humor again?Happens quite often lately.Or is the new average age for moderators somewhere around 14?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30508456</id>
	<title>Humankind Cares</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261323540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Eccentric people are people who think in ways that are not constrained by societal norms.  Such people are the source of geniuses who, unconstrained by conventional thinking, discover breakthrough technology or scientific principles that ultimately improve the human condition.
<p>
Albert Einstein is the most well-known example of an eccentric genius.  Grigory Perelman is another example.  So is Claude Shannon, the "father" of communications theory.
</p><p>
Yet another example will likely be <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18925331.200-take-a-leap-into-hyperspace.html" title="newscientist.com" rel="nofollow">Burkhard Heim</a> [newscientist.com].  He formulated the mathematics for warp-drive, and the Department of Defense is actively studying his work in an attempt to build a prototype of a warp-drive engine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Eccentric people are people who think in ways that are not constrained by societal norms .
Such people are the source of geniuses who , unconstrained by conventional thinking , discover breakthrough technology or scientific principles that ultimately improve the human condition .
Albert Einstein is the most well-known example of an eccentric genius .
Grigory Perelman is another example .
So is Claude Shannon , the " father " of communications theory .
Yet another example will likely be Burkhard Heim [ newscientist.com ] .
He formulated the mathematics for warp-drive , and the Department of Defense is actively studying his work in an attempt to build a prototype of a warp-drive engine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eccentric people are people who think in ways that are not constrained by societal norms.
Such people are the source of geniuses who, unconstrained by conventional thinking, discover breakthrough technology or scientific principles that ultimately improve the human condition.
Albert Einstein is the most well-known example of an eccentric genius.
Grigory Perelman is another example.
So is Claude Shannon, the "father" of communications theory.
Yet another example will likely be Burkhard Heim [newscientist.com].
He formulated the mathematics for warp-drive, and the Department of Defense is actively studying his work in an attempt to build a prototype of a warp-drive engine.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30513230</id>
	<title>Re:Knows as much about ethics as he does mathemati</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261416600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe we should re-direct this money into a "police"-like force that dishes out the "smack-down" to those crooks in the sciences?<br>And we know there are ALOT of them, especically in the Universities. Many post-docs and grad. students cannot afford to accuse their professor of wrong doing for fear of<br>a) bad recommendation letters<br>b) professor sueing the poor grad/post-doc student<br>c) Univseristy sueing the poor graduate/post-doc student.</p><p>THis police establishment would allow a grad/post-doc to write them/call and allow this police to dish out the smack...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe we should re-direct this money into a " police " -like force that dishes out the " smack-down " to those crooks in the sciences ? And we know there are ALOT of them , especically in the Universities .
Many post-docs and grad .
students can not afford to accuse their professor of wrong doing for fear ofa ) bad recommendation lettersb ) professor sueing the poor grad/post-doc studentc ) Univseristy sueing the poor graduate/post-doc student.THis police establishment would allow a grad/post-doc to write them/call and allow this police to dish out the smack.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe we should re-direct this money into a "police"-like force that dishes out the "smack-down" to those crooks in the sciences?And we know there are ALOT of them, especically in the Universities.
Many post-docs and grad.
students cannot afford to accuse their professor of wrong doing for fear ofa) bad recommendation lettersb) professor sueing the poor grad/post-doc studentc) Univseristy sueing the poor graduate/post-doc student.THis police establishment would allow a grad/post-doc to write them/call and allow this police to dish out the smack...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30518920</id>
	<title>Re:Humankind Cares</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261404000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, eccentric people are more memorable than non-eccentric people.  So if Grigory Perelman was the sort to go to a party at your house with 100 other mathematicians, he's the only one you'd remember, assuming you managed to stay awake at all.  If you walk past 100 homeless people, it's the guy yelling at the imaginary ostrich that you remember.  Not really an ideal comparison because mental illness is not the same thing as eccentricity, but you get my drift.</p><p>People remember Einstein because he was eccentric.  Heisenberg was equally brilliant, but was just another boring physicist.  It's not the brilliance that people care about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , eccentric people are more memorable than non-eccentric people .
So if Grigory Perelman was the sort to go to a party at your house with 100 other mathematicians , he 's the only one you 'd remember , assuming you managed to stay awake at all .
If you walk past 100 homeless people , it 's the guy yelling at the imaginary ostrich that you remember .
Not really an ideal comparison because mental illness is not the same thing as eccentricity , but you get my drift.People remember Einstein because he was eccentric .
Heisenberg was equally brilliant , but was just another boring physicist .
It 's not the brilliance that people care about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, eccentric people are more memorable than non-eccentric people.
So if Grigory Perelman was the sort to go to a party at your house with 100 other mathematicians, he's the only one you'd remember, assuming you managed to stay awake at all.
If you walk past 100 homeless people, it's the guy yelling at the imaginary ostrich that you remember.
Not really an ideal comparison because mental illness is not the same thing as eccentricity, but you get my drift.People remember Einstein because he was eccentric.
Heisenberg was equally brilliant, but was just another boring physicist.
It's not the brilliance that people care about.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30508104</id>
	<title>Re:Mathematicians</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261319400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a universal affliction among "feely" people I know.  They tend to think that there are things in this world which can't be reduced to equations.</p><p>Yes, very intelligent people are often unhappy.  The very drunk and the very stupid, in fact, make up some of the happiest people I know.</p><p>If the intellectual or the mathematician doesn't try really hard to get you to like him by making a bunch of small talk, I find it is difficult to blame them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a universal affliction among " feely " people I know .
They tend to think that there are things in this world which ca n't be reduced to equations.Yes , very intelligent people are often unhappy .
The very drunk and the very stupid , in fact , make up some of the happiest people I know.If the intellectual or the mathematician does n't try really hard to get you to like him by making a bunch of small talk , I find it is difficult to blame them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a universal affliction among "feely" people I know.
They tend to think that there are things in this world which can't be reduced to equations.Yes, very intelligent people are often unhappy.
The very drunk and the very stupid, in fact, make up some of the happiest people I know.If the intellectual or the mathematician doesn't try really hard to get you to like him by making a bunch of small talk, I find it is difficult to blame them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30538936</id>
	<title>Re:Meh</title>
	<author>lawpoop</author>
	<datestamp>1259748720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I am doing what Perelman surely would have wanted.</p></div><p>Who cares? Are our lives subject to the whims of crazy geniuses?<br> <br>I'm sure Pythagoras doesn't want me to know his precious theorem, or any other math for that matter, because I'm not a member of his mystical, math-worshiping cult. Fuck him! Knowledge wants to be free<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am doing what Perelman surely would have wanted.Who cares ?
Are our lives subject to the whims of crazy geniuses ?
I 'm sure Pythagoras does n't want me to know his precious theorem , or any other math for that matter , because I 'm not a member of his mystical , math-worshiping cult .
Fuck him !
Knowledge wants to be free : D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am doing what Perelman surely would have wanted.Who cares?
Are our lives subject to the whims of crazy geniuses?
I'm sure Pythagoras doesn't want me to know his precious theorem, or any other math for that matter, because I'm not a member of his mystical, math-worshiping cult.
Fuck him!
Knowledge wants to be free :D
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30508052</id>
	<title>Re:Mathematicians</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261318740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Mathematicians, by and large, tend to be very unhappy people in my experience.  Not all of them, of course.  Some mathematicians have a certain "spark" that allows them to abandon mathematics temporarily and give themselves over to the pleasure of an interpersonal relationship; but even so it is still against their nature to do so, and they will always slip back into the comfort of a mathematical outlook sooner or later.</p></div><p> Even with qualification, this seems like a very rash generalization. I attended a doctoral program in Logic at the University of California Berkeley, where the names on the office doors were pretty much the same as the names of the most significant theorems. What struck me was the incredible diversity of how the best mathematicians' minds worked. Some saw mathematics as a meaningless game with symbols. Others had a  vivid imagination for platonic realities that they captured in their work. Some were multi-talented, outgoing, and verbally and socially skilled . Others were introverted and poor communicators. I don't know what mathematicians you know, but your generalization that mathematicians tend to be unhappy makes no sense to me at all. I personally knew, and in a few cases worked for, a number who solved important problems. An example would be Julia Robinson (Hilbert's Tenth Problem) who certainly suffered from poor health and did have some difficult times earlier in her life, but at the time I knew her (1986-1972) could not be described as an unhappy person.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mathematicians , by and large , tend to be very unhappy people in my experience .
Not all of them , of course .
Some mathematicians have a certain " spark " that allows them to abandon mathematics temporarily and give themselves over to the pleasure of an interpersonal relationship ; but even so it is still against their nature to do so , and they will always slip back into the comfort of a mathematical outlook sooner or later .
Even with qualification , this seems like a very rash generalization .
I attended a doctoral program in Logic at the University of California Berkeley , where the names on the office doors were pretty much the same as the names of the most significant theorems .
What struck me was the incredible diversity of how the best mathematicians ' minds worked .
Some saw mathematics as a meaningless game with symbols .
Others had a vivid imagination for platonic realities that they captured in their work .
Some were multi-talented , outgoing , and verbally and socially skilled .
Others were introverted and poor communicators .
I do n't know what mathematicians you know , but your generalization that mathematicians tend to be unhappy makes no sense to me at all .
I personally knew , and in a few cases worked for , a number who solved important problems .
An example would be Julia Robinson ( Hilbert 's Tenth Problem ) who certainly suffered from poor health and did have some difficult times earlier in her life , but at the time I knew her ( 1986-1972 ) could not be described as an unhappy person .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mathematicians, by and large, tend to be very unhappy people in my experience.
Not all of them, of course.
Some mathematicians have a certain "spark" that allows them to abandon mathematics temporarily and give themselves over to the pleasure of an interpersonal relationship; but even so it is still against their nature to do so, and they will always slip back into the comfort of a mathematical outlook sooner or later.
Even with qualification, this seems like a very rash generalization.
I attended a doctoral program in Logic at the University of California Berkeley, where the names on the office doors were pretty much the same as the names of the most significant theorems.
What struck me was the incredible diversity of how the best mathematicians' minds worked.
Some saw mathematics as a meaningless game with symbols.
Others had a  vivid imagination for platonic realities that they captured in their work.
Some were multi-talented, outgoing, and verbally and socially skilled .
Others were introverted and poor communicators.
I don't know what mathematicians you know, but your generalization that mathematicians tend to be unhappy makes no sense to me at all.
I personally knew, and in a few cases worked for, a number who solved important problems.
An example would be Julia Robinson (Hilbert's Tenth Problem) who certainly suffered from poor health and did have some difficult times earlier in her life, but at the time I knew her (1986-1972) could not be described as an unhappy person.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30517898</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>tholomyes</author>
	<datestamp>1261395900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a random aside, supposedly Lazlo was based on one of the founding CS professors from Cal Poly Pomona, <a href="http://www.csupomona.edu/~cs/news/laszlo.html" title="csupomona.edu">Dr. Laszlo</a> [csupomona.edu] from his time at Caltech. A strange guy, to be sure, but by far one of my favorite professors.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a random aside , supposedly Lazlo was based on one of the founding CS professors from Cal Poly Pomona , Dr. Laszlo [ csupomona.edu ] from his time at Caltech .
A strange guy , to be sure , but by far one of my favorite professors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a random aside, supposedly Lazlo was based on one of the founding CS professors from Cal Poly Pomona, Dr. Laszlo [csupomona.edu] from his time at Caltech.
A strange guy, to be sure, but by far one of my favorite professors.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30531434</id>
	<title>Re:I'm his mom could use the money.</title>
	<author>lawpoop</author>
	<datestamp>1261489380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If nothing else he could give it to a charity that helps children who have a gift in Math.</p></div><p>Why? So they can get caught up in the corrupt, political, back-stabbing system of politics? You think a purist like this is gonna think this way? Hell no! Keep the children pure! You'll only taint their precious innocence with greed. It would be the epitome of money corrupting math. <br> <br>
Politician: "You're good at math? Wonderful! Here's $1,000 to help you go to school." <br>child prodigy:"Oh, so I do math in order to get money!"<br> <br>-- from the mind of Grigor Perelman</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If nothing else he could give it to a charity that helps children who have a gift in Math.Why ?
So they can get caught up in the corrupt , political , back-stabbing system of politics ?
You think a purist like this is gon na think this way ?
Hell no !
Keep the children pure !
You 'll only taint their precious innocence with greed .
It would be the epitome of money corrupting math .
Politician : " You 're good at math ?
Wonderful ! Here 's $ 1,000 to help you go to school .
" child prodigy : " Oh , so I do math in order to get money !
" -- from the mind of Grigor Perelman</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If nothing else he could give it to a charity that helps children who have a gift in Math.Why?
So they can get caught up in the corrupt, political, back-stabbing system of politics?
You think a purist like this is gonna think this way?
Hell no!
Keep the children pure!
You'll only taint their precious innocence with greed.
It would be the epitome of money corrupting math.
Politician: "You're good at math?
Wonderful! Here's $1,000 to help you go to school.
" child prodigy:"Oh, so I do math in order to get money!
" -- from the mind of Grigor Perelman
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30507774</id>
	<title>Knows as much about ethics as he does mathematics</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261314840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There seems little doubt, based on this interview with the biographer, that he is indeed firmly entrenched somewhere on the higher end of the autistic Spectrum.</p><p>I feel a stronger connection with people like Perelman than the vast majority of my alleged peers, though still not an emotional one.  People like Perelman have a more instinctive grasp of ethics than any neurotypical types.  Another rather well-known person who I would consider very similar (if just a bit more social) is Craig Newmark, of Craigslist.org fame.  Wired Magazine had what I thought was a <a href="http://www.wired.com/print/entertainment/theweb/magazine/17-09/ff\_craigslist" title="wired.com" rel="nofollow">very telling article</a> [wired.com] about Newmark and his Aspie "eccentricities".</p><p>Eccentricities or not, if the rest of the world were to (voluntarily) take lessons from the ethics of those two men, the Earth would be a <em>dramatically</em> different place, indeed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There seems little doubt , based on this interview with the biographer , that he is indeed firmly entrenched somewhere on the higher end of the autistic Spectrum.I feel a stronger connection with people like Perelman than the vast majority of my alleged peers , though still not an emotional one .
People like Perelman have a more instinctive grasp of ethics than any neurotypical types .
Another rather well-known person who I would consider very similar ( if just a bit more social ) is Craig Newmark , of Craigslist.org fame .
Wired Magazine had what I thought was a very telling article [ wired.com ] about Newmark and his Aspie " eccentricities " .Eccentricities or not , if the rest of the world were to ( voluntarily ) take lessons from the ethics of those two men , the Earth would be a dramatically different place , indeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There seems little doubt, based on this interview with the biographer, that he is indeed firmly entrenched somewhere on the higher end of the autistic Spectrum.I feel a stronger connection with people like Perelman than the vast majority of my alleged peers, though still not an emotional one.
People like Perelman have a more instinctive grasp of ethics than any neurotypical types.
Another rather well-known person who I would consider very similar (if just a bit more social) is Craig Newmark, of Craigslist.org fame.
Wired Magazine had what I thought was a very telling article [wired.com] about Newmark and his Aspie "eccentricities".Eccentricities or not, if the rest of the world were to (voluntarily) take lessons from the ethics of those two men, the Earth would be a dramatically different place, indeed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30523472</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261496460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who was Brittany Murphy?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who was Brittany Murphy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who was Brittany Murphy?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30508022</id>
	<title>The most recent picture of Perelman, riding subway</title>
	<author>guacamole</author>
	<datestamp>1261318320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://englishrussia.com/?p=998" title="englishrussia.com">http://englishrussia.com/?p=998</a> [englishrussia.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //englishrussia.com/ ? p = 998 [ englishrussia.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://englishrussia.com/?p=998 [englishrussia.com]</sentencetext>
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	<title>Not talking to him an advantage?  How odd.</title>
	<author>Vellmont</author>
	<datestamp>1261315320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess I have to be more than a little skeptical of the opinion of someone who's only built up a view of someone based on hearsay.  Trying to spin this like it's an advantage is at best self deception.  Maybe it's an advantage because you get to make more stuff up, but it's certainly no advantage in actually trying to understand the person, or honestly convey who they are.</p><p>I don't really blame the guy for not wanting to talk to journalists.  With few exceptions, journalists don't represent the interests of the truth, (and most certainly not YOUR interests).  Generally they're trying to sell some eyeballs, and you're the bait.  Gessen talks about how the when you interview someone you're always fighting their own perception of them self.  That may be true (though I'm not sure it's exactly a negotiation as much as it is an integration).  When you read a journalists biography, you're constantly fighting what the journalist might have thought was the most interesting story to tell, (as opposed to the most accurate one).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess I have to be more than a little skeptical of the opinion of someone who 's only built up a view of someone based on hearsay .
Trying to spin this like it 's an advantage is at best self deception .
Maybe it 's an advantage because you get to make more stuff up , but it 's certainly no advantage in actually trying to understand the person , or honestly convey who they are.I do n't really blame the guy for not wanting to talk to journalists .
With few exceptions , journalists do n't represent the interests of the truth , ( and most certainly not YOUR interests ) .
Generally they 're trying to sell some eyeballs , and you 're the bait .
Gessen talks about how the when you interview someone you 're always fighting their own perception of them self .
That may be true ( though I 'm not sure it 's exactly a negotiation as much as it is an integration ) .
When you read a journalists biography , you 're constantly fighting what the journalist might have thought was the most interesting story to tell , ( as opposed to the most accurate one ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess I have to be more than a little skeptical of the opinion of someone who's only built up a view of someone based on hearsay.
Trying to spin this like it's an advantage is at best self deception.
Maybe it's an advantage because you get to make more stuff up, but it's certainly no advantage in actually trying to understand the person, or honestly convey who they are.I don't really blame the guy for not wanting to talk to journalists.
With few exceptions, journalists don't represent the interests of the truth, (and most certainly not YOUR interests).
Generally they're trying to sell some eyeballs, and you're the bait.
Gessen talks about how the when you interview someone you're always fighting their own perception of them self.
That may be true (though I'm not sure it's exactly a negotiation as much as it is an integration).
When you read a journalists biography, you're constantly fighting what the journalist might have thought was the most interesting story to tell, (as opposed to the most accurate one).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30508102</id>
	<title>Re:Mathematicians</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261319340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><blockquote><div><p> Everything that people do must have a rational reason, and if they can't find one they will construct a reason that seems rational to them--regardless of how simplistic it is, or how dim a view of their fellow human beings it leads them to.</p></div><div><p>Most people are motivated by shockingly simplistic needs and desires.  Mathematicians don't dissect the world and peoples emotions any differently than successful businessmen do.  Mathematicians are simply more likely to be disgusted by how shockingly simple most people are where as the businessman sees this realization as an opportunity.</p><p>Ignoring the fact that peoples emotions and actions can be broken down and understood as rational actions simply guarantees you will always be a pawn of someone who "gets it".</p></div></blockquote></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Everything that people do must have a rational reason , and if they ca n't find one they will construct a reason that seems rational to them--regardless of how simplistic it is , or how dim a view of their fellow human beings it leads them to.Most people are motivated by shockingly simplistic needs and desires .
Mathematicians do n't dissect the world and peoples emotions any differently than successful businessmen do .
Mathematicians are simply more likely to be disgusted by how shockingly simple most people are where as the businessman sees this realization as an opportunity.Ignoring the fact that peoples emotions and actions can be broken down and understood as rational actions simply guarantees you will always be a pawn of someone who " gets it " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Everything that people do must have a rational reason, and if they can't find one they will construct a reason that seems rational to them--regardless of how simplistic it is, or how dim a view of their fellow human beings it leads them to.Most people are motivated by shockingly simplistic needs and desires.
Mathematicians don't dissect the world and peoples emotions any differently than successful businessmen do.
Mathematicians are simply more likely to be disgusted by how shockingly simple most people are where as the businessman sees this realization as an opportunity.Ignoring the fact that peoples emotions and actions can be broken down and understood as rational actions simply guarantees you will always be a pawn of someone who "gets it".
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30511662</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>tehcyder</author>
	<datestamp>1261408680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That must be the first time I ever heard a piece of news first on slashdot...</htmltext>
<tokenext>That must be the first time I ever heard a piece of news first on slashdot.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That must be the first time I ever heard a piece of news first on slashdot...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30508354</id>
	<title>Re:Mathematicians</title>
	<author>message144</author>
	<datestamp>1261322460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>but at the time I knew her (1986-1972)...</p></div><p>Fascinating... you must have studied T-Symmetry.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>but at the time I knew her ( 1986-1972 ) ...Fascinating... you must have studied T-Symmetry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but at the time I knew her (1986-1972)...Fascinating... you must have studied T-Symmetry.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30512670</id>
	<title>Re:Humankind Cares</title>
	<author>Chineseyes</author>
	<datestamp>1261414260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No one ever mentions Tesla</htmltext>
<tokenext>No one ever mentions Tesla</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one ever mentions Tesla</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30508232</id>
	<title>I'm his mom could use the money.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261321020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>If nothing else he could give it to a charity that helps children who have a gift in Math.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If nothing else he could give it to a charity that helps children who have a gift in Math .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If nothing else he could give it to a charity that helps children who have a gift in Math.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30508080</id>
	<title>Re:Knows as much about ethics as he does mathemati</title>
	<author>atomic777</author>
	<datestamp>1261319040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I read through the new yorker article, and while it is clear that Perelman is eccentric, I don't think aspergers/autistic fits here. From the article
<p><div class="quote"><p>Now, when I become a very conspicuous person, I cannot stay a pet and say nothing. That is why I had to quit.&rdquo; We asked Perelman whether, by refusing the Fields and withdrawing from his profession, he was eliminating any possibility of influencing the discipline. <b>&ldquo;I am not a politician!&rdquo; he replied, angrily.</b></p> </div><p>
It is clear that he is hurt by the backstabbing politics and lack of ethics (as he perceives it) that have corrupted mathematics. He seems more like an artist entirely dedicated to his craft; the Greta Garbo comparison somewhere above fits well.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I read through the new yorker article , and while it is clear that Perelman is eccentric , I do n't think aspergers/autistic fits here .
From the article Now , when I become a very conspicuous person , I can not stay a pet and say nothing .
That is why I had to quit.    We asked Perelman whether , by refusing the Fields and withdrawing from his profession , he was eliminating any possibility of influencing the discipline .
   I am not a politician !    he replied , angrily .
It is clear that he is hurt by the backstabbing politics and lack of ethics ( as he perceives it ) that have corrupted mathematics .
He seems more like an artist entirely dedicated to his craft ; the Greta Garbo comparison somewhere above fits well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read through the new yorker article, and while it is clear that Perelman is eccentric, I don't think aspergers/autistic fits here.
From the article
Now, when I become a very conspicuous person, I cannot stay a pet and say nothing.
That is why I had to quit.” We asked Perelman whether, by refusing the Fields and withdrawing from his profession, he was eliminating any possibility of influencing the discipline.
“I am not a politician!” he replied, angrily.
It is clear that he is hurt by the backstabbing politics and lack of ethics (as he perceives it) that have corrupted mathematics.
He seems more like an artist entirely dedicated to his craft; the Greta Garbo comparison somewhere above fits well.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30520092</id>
	<title>Re:Knows as much about ethics as he does mathemati</title>
	<author>piemcfly</author>
	<datestamp>1261413420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>He is refusing the prizes as a protest against the lack of ethics in the mathematical community. In his mind he believes this demonstrates how he is totally committed to mathematics, and that only.</p></div><p>
This is also why I skipped math classes in high school.<br>I could have gotten straight A's... but you know, ethics, man.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>He is refusing the prizes as a protest against the lack of ethics in the mathematical community .
In his mind he believes this demonstrates how he is totally committed to mathematics , and that only .
This is also why I skipped math classes in high school.I could have gotten straight A 's... but you know , ethics , man .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He is refusing the prizes as a protest against the lack of ethics in the mathematical community.
In his mind he believes this demonstrates how he is totally committed to mathematics, and that only.
This is also why I skipped math classes in high school.I could have gotten straight A's... but you know, ethics, man.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30508070</id>
	<title>Re:Knows as much about ethics as he does mathemati</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261318980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ethics is pretty easy when you withdraw from humanity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ethics is pretty easy when you withdraw from humanity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ethics is pretty easy when you withdraw from humanity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30538628</id>
	<title>Re:Meh</title>
	<author>tonymaric</author>
	<datestamp>1259746980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What I find interesting is how Perelman, like Einstein, claims to only care about truth, and not fame.  But when their priority is in question, they get bothered (for Einstein, it was GR vs. Hilbert).

I'm not saying they're bad people, just that they should admit they are human in that regard.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What I find interesting is how Perelman , like Einstein , claims to only care about truth , and not fame .
But when their priority is in question , they get bothered ( for Einstein , it was GR vs. Hilbert ) . I 'm not saying they 're bad people , just that they should admit they are human in that regard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I find interesting is how Perelman, like Einstein, claims to only care about truth, and not fame.
But when their priority is in question, they get bothered (for Einstein, it was GR vs. Hilbert).

I'm not saying they're bad people, just that they should admit they are human in that regard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30510066</id>
	<title>Re:Great piece from one who actually talked to him</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261389360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One way to distance oneself from human weaknesses is to be blunt and to-the-point. Shrug on cheap attempts at tying one to social structures. 'Good' manners are harmful if they impede flow of thought or expression in any way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One way to distance oneself from human weaknesses is to be blunt and to-the-point .
Shrug on cheap attempts at tying one to social structures .
'Good ' manners are harmful if they impede flow of thought or expression in any way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One way to distance oneself from human weaknesses is to be blunt and to-the-point.
Shrug on cheap attempts at tying one to social structures.
'Good' manners are harmful if they impede flow of thought or expression in any way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30507548</id>
	<title>Maybe ....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261312260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Grigory Perelman = Greta Garbo</htmltext>
<tokenext>Grigory Perelman = Greta Garbo</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Grigory Perelman = Greta Garbo</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30511782</id>
	<title>Re:Knows as much about ethics as he does mathemati</title>
	<author>moeinvt</author>
	<datestamp>1261409340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The REASON that someone is "typical" is precisely because they are strongly influenced by their surroundings and more easily brainwashed by what they're exposed to.  "Normal" people are, by definition those who conform to societal "norms" and there's no reason to think that their ethical beliefs are somehow immune from the influence of "popular opinion".  How can someone who is following a code of ethics that was imposed on them by society be more "ethical" in terms of what they think is right and wrong than a person who has made their own individual conclusion and is willing to give up $1M to stand on their principles?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The REASON that someone is " typical " is precisely because they are strongly influenced by their surroundings and more easily brainwashed by what they 're exposed to .
" Normal " people are , by definition those who conform to societal " norms " and there 's no reason to think that their ethical beliefs are somehow immune from the influence of " popular opinion " .
How can someone who is following a code of ethics that was imposed on them by society be more " ethical " in terms of what they think is right and wrong than a person who has made their own individual conclusion and is willing to give up $ 1M to stand on their principles ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The REASON that someone is "typical" is precisely because they are strongly influenced by their surroundings and more easily brainwashed by what they're exposed to.
"Normal" people are, by definition those who conform to societal "norms" and there's no reason to think that their ethical beliefs are somehow immune from the influence of "popular opinion".
How can someone who is following a code of ethics that was imposed on them by society be more "ethical" in terms of what they think is right and wrong than a person who has made their own individual conclusion and is willing to give up $1M to stand on their principles?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30507506</id>
	<title>Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261311780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll claim the money!  Where do I pick it up?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll claim the money !
Where do I pick it up ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll claim the money!
Where do I pick it up?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30507632</id>
	<title>Great piece from one who actually talked to him.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261313040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sylvia Nasar, also the author of "A Beautiful Mind", wrote a <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/08/28/060828fa\_fact2" title="newyorker.com" rel="nofollow">great piece</a> [newyorker.com] about Perelman shortly after the publication of his proof. Deeply moving, in my opinion.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sylvia Nasar , also the author of " A Beautiful Mind " , wrote a great piece [ newyorker.com ] about Perelman shortly after the publication of his proof .
Deeply moving , in my opinion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sylvia Nasar, also the author of "A Beautiful Mind", wrote a great piece [newyorker.com] about Perelman shortly after the publication of his proof.
Deeply moving, in my opinion.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30507528</id>
	<title>Meh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261311960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>By not buying or reading this book, I am doing what Perelman surely would have wanted.</htmltext>
<tokenext>By not buying or reading this book , I am doing what Perelman surely would have wanted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By not buying or reading this book, I am doing what Perelman surely would have wanted.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30508316</id>
	<title>Re:Mathematicians</title>
	<author>egork</author>
	<datestamp>1261321920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>but at the time I knew her (1986-1972) could not be described as an unhappy person.</p></div></blockquote><p>I have always suspected at least half of the mathematicians to be contra-motes (living back in time), just for a symmetrical reason. We physics know that time is not symmetrical, guilty be thermodynamics.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>but at the time I knew her ( 1986-1972 ) could not be described as an unhappy person.I have always suspected at least half of the mathematicians to be contra-motes ( living back in time ) , just for a symmetrical reason .
We physics know that time is not symmetrical , guilty be thermodynamics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but at the time I knew her (1986-1972) could not be described as an unhappy person.I have always suspected at least half of the mathematicians to be contra-motes (living back in time), just for a symmetrical reason.
We physics know that time is not symmetrical, guilty be thermodynamics.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30509524</id>
	<title>Hamilton get's no credit?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261336860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perelman modified Richard Hamilton's program for a proof of the conjecture, in which the central idea is the notion of the Ricci flow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perelman modified Richard Hamilton 's program for a proof of the conjecture , in which the central idea is the notion of the Ricci flow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perelman modified Richard Hamilton's program for a proof of the conjecture, in which the central idea is the notion of the Ricci flow.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30508086</id>
	<title>Re:Knows as much about ethics as he does mathemati</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261319220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>He is raging coz others (in particular Yau) tried to (and to a certain extent succeed) take credit for his work. Instead of issuing a proper and deserved smack-down to these people he just hides. He is refusing the prizes as a protest against the lack of ethics in the mathematical community. In his mind he believes this demonstrates how he is totally committed to mathematics, and that only. Given that he was quite happy to accept prizes before and didn't feel that interfered with his work I suspect this is his way of raging as he is personality wise unsuited to direct confrontation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>He is raging coz others ( in particular Yau ) tried to ( and to a certain extent succeed ) take credit for his work .
Instead of issuing a proper and deserved smack-down to these people he just hides .
He is refusing the prizes as a protest against the lack of ethics in the mathematical community .
In his mind he believes this demonstrates how he is totally committed to mathematics , and that only .
Given that he was quite happy to accept prizes before and did n't feel that interfered with his work I suspect this is his way of raging as he is personality wise unsuited to direct confrontation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He is raging coz others (in particular Yau) tried to (and to a certain extent succeed) take credit for his work.
Instead of issuing a proper and deserved smack-down to these people he just hides.
He is refusing the prizes as a protest against the lack of ethics in the mathematical community.
In his mind he believes this demonstrates how he is totally committed to mathematics, and that only.
Given that he was quite happy to accept prizes before and didn't feel that interfered with his work I suspect this is his way of raging as he is personality wise unsuited to direct confrontation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30512980</id>
	<title>Re:Humankind Cares</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261415640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Traveling faster than the speed of light is possible. The problem is we know of nothing right now that travels faster than the speed of light.</p><p>To put it into perspective try accelerating something faster than the speed of sound with only sound waves. Chemical reactions occur faster than the speed of sound and are such able to propel objects faster than it.</p><p>The problem is that no chemical reaction occurs faster than the speed of light so all chemical reactions are a non starter. Are there nuclear reactions that than can occur to achieve that? I personally don't think so.</p><p>We will have to wait and see.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Traveling faster than the speed of light is possible .
The problem is we know of nothing right now that travels faster than the speed of light.To put it into perspective try accelerating something faster than the speed of sound with only sound waves .
Chemical reactions occur faster than the speed of sound and are such able to propel objects faster than it.The problem is that no chemical reaction occurs faster than the speed of light so all chemical reactions are a non starter .
Are there nuclear reactions that than can occur to achieve that ?
I personally do n't think so.We will have to wait and see .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Traveling faster than the speed of light is possible.
The problem is we know of nothing right now that travels faster than the speed of light.To put it into perspective try accelerating something faster than the speed of sound with only sound waves.
Chemical reactions occur faster than the speed of sound and are such able to propel objects faster than it.The problem is that no chemical reaction occurs faster than the speed of light so all chemical reactions are a non starter.
Are there nuclear reactions that than can occur to achieve that?
I personally don't think so.We will have to wait and see.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30507888</id>
	<title>lack of rigor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261316580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The mathematicians penchant for rigor disappears quickly when $1M enters the picture.</p><p>The controversy was rather fierce a few years back when the proof(s) emerged, and questions arised as to the relative contributions of the individuals.</p><p>I'm no mathematician, but you would think the math guys themselves should be able to sort the prize out in some orderly, and more mature fashion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The mathematicians penchant for rigor disappears quickly when $ 1M enters the picture.The controversy was rather fierce a few years back when the proof ( s ) emerged , and questions arised as to the relative contributions of the individuals.I 'm no mathematician , but you would think the math guys themselves should be able to sort the prize out in some orderly , and more mature fashion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The mathematicians penchant for rigor disappears quickly when $1M enters the picture.The controversy was rather fierce a few years back when the proof(s) emerged, and questions arised as to the relative contributions of the individuals.I'm no mathematician, but you would think the math guys themselves should be able to sort the prize out in some orderly, and more mature fashion.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30518088</id>
	<title>Couldn't he just be off his nutter?</title>
	<author>QuincyDurant</author>
	<datestamp>1261397100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You know, Bobby Fischer-style?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , Bobby Fischer-style ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, Bobby Fischer-style?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30507714</id>
	<title>You need the right book</title>
	<author>paiute</author>
	<datestamp>1261314180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>See, it pays to buy books with extra large margins.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>See , it pays to buy books with extra large margins .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See, it pays to buy books with extra large margins.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30507504</id>
	<title>Copy/Paste mathematics paper</title>
	<author>Kagura</author>
	<datestamp>1261311720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...  he probably won't collect the million dollars he won by solving the Poincare Conjecture.</p></div><p>May I collect it?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... he probably wo n't collect the million dollars he won by solving the Poincare Conjecture.May I collect it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...  he probably won't collect the million dollars he won by solving the Poincare Conjecture.May I collect it?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30508402</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>PopeRatzo</author>
	<datestamp>1261323060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>some Russian hermit</p></div></blockquote><p>That sonofabitch Perelman owes me money!</p><p>We were having Chinese and when the bill came he claimed to have left his wallet in his other pants.  It's not like I was surprised because he's a real schnorer.  You think he'd ever pick up a check?  Feh.</p><p>And he thinks he's such a big shot with the math and numbers.  Well, let me tell you about Mr Smart-Guy Grigory Perelman.  He's not in any "self-imposed exile" unless "self-imposed exile" is math-talk for "dodging the guy he owes money to".</p><p>I have it on very good authority from his cousin Vanya that since last weekend he's got his cell phone turned off and isn't it interesting that someone with the name "P01ncare\_S0lver69" has been playing a lot of Modern Warfare 2 online?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>some Russian hermitThat sonofabitch Perelman owes me money ! We were having Chinese and when the bill came he claimed to have left his wallet in his other pants .
It 's not like I was surprised because he 's a real schnorer .
You think he 'd ever pick up a check ?
Feh.And he thinks he 's such a big shot with the math and numbers .
Well , let me tell you about Mr Smart-Guy Grigory Perelman .
He 's not in any " self-imposed exile " unless " self-imposed exile " is math-talk for " dodging the guy he owes money to " .I have it on very good authority from his cousin Vanya that since last weekend he 's got his cell phone turned off and is n't it interesting that someone with the name " P01ncare \ _S0lver69 " has been playing a lot of Modern Warfare 2 online ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>some Russian hermitThat sonofabitch Perelman owes me money!We were having Chinese and when the bill came he claimed to have left his wallet in his other pants.
It's not like I was surprised because he's a real schnorer.
You think he'd ever pick up a check?
Feh.And he thinks he's such a big shot with the math and numbers.
Well, let me tell you about Mr Smart-Guy Grigory Perelman.
He's not in any "self-imposed exile" unless "self-imposed exile" is math-talk for "dodging the guy he owes money to".I have it on very good authority from his cousin Vanya that since last weekend he's got his cell phone turned off and isn't it interesting that someone with the name "P01ncare\_S0lver69" has been playing a lot of Modern Warfare 2 online?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30508370</id>
	<title>Re:Knows as much about ethics as he does mathemati</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261322640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>I feel a stronger connection with people like Perelman than the vast majority of my alleged peers, though still not an emotional one. People like Perelman have a more instinctive grasp of ethics than any neurotypical types. </i>
<br>
<br>
Actually it's called obsessive-compulsive personality disorder.  It's not any genuinely thought-out ethics, it's a rigid, reflexive narcissistic dogmatism that is unpleasant to deal with.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I feel a stronger connection with people like Perelman than the vast majority of my alleged peers , though still not an emotional one .
People like Perelman have a more instinctive grasp of ethics than any neurotypical types .
Actually it 's called obsessive-compulsive personality disorder .
It 's not any genuinely thought-out ethics , it 's a rigid , reflexive narcissistic dogmatism that is unpleasant to deal with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I feel a stronger connection with people like Perelman than the vast majority of my alleged peers, though still not an emotional one.
People like Perelman have a more instinctive grasp of ethics than any neurotypical types.
Actually it's called obsessive-compulsive personality disorder.
It's not any genuinely thought-out ethics, it's a rigid, reflexive narcissistic dogmatism that is unpleasant to deal with.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30508646</id>
	<title>Re:I'm his mom could use the money.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261325700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why to children already gifted in Math?  Wouldn't it be better spent helping children who are struggling with Math?  Or, heck, even adults who struggle with Math?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why to children already gifted in Math ?
Would n't it be better spent helping children who are struggling with Math ?
Or , heck , even adults who struggle with Math ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why to children already gifted in Math?
Wouldn't it be better spent helping children who are struggling with Math?
Or, heck, even adults who struggle with Math?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30507816</id>
	<title>Mathematicians</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261315560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Perelman has a mind that is capable of taking in more information than any mathematical mind that has come before. His brain is like a universal math compactor. He grasps complex problems and reduces them to their solvable essence. The problem is that he expects human beings to be similarly subject to reduction.</p></div></blockquote><p>This is a universal affliction among mathematicians I've known.  They tend to look at the world mathematically, and aren't really able to understand things they can't reduce to an equation.  This leads to a very black and white view of the world, where things must be a certain way, and anything that doesn't fall into that worldview is just wrong.  Everything that people do must have a rational reason, and if they can't find one they will construct a reason that seems rational to them--regardless of how simplistic it is, or how dim a view of their fellow human beings it leads them to.</p><p>Mathematicians, by and large, tend to be very unhappy people in my experience.  Not all of them, of course.  Some mathematicians have a certain "spark" that allows them to abandon mathematics temporarily and give themselves over to the pleasure of an interpersonal relationship; but even so it is still against their nature to do so, and they will always slip back into the comfort of a mathematical outlook sooner or later.</p><p>I suspect that extraordinary skill in mathematics is not the cause of such a personality, but rather they are both common effects of some psychological variation that simply causes such people to perceive the world in a particular way.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perelman has a mind that is capable of taking in more information than any mathematical mind that has come before .
His brain is like a universal math compactor .
He grasps complex problems and reduces them to their solvable essence .
The problem is that he expects human beings to be similarly subject to reduction.This is a universal affliction among mathematicians I 've known .
They tend to look at the world mathematically , and are n't really able to understand things they ca n't reduce to an equation .
This leads to a very black and white view of the world , where things must be a certain way , and anything that does n't fall into that worldview is just wrong .
Everything that people do must have a rational reason , and if they ca n't find one they will construct a reason that seems rational to them--regardless of how simplistic it is , or how dim a view of their fellow human beings it leads them to.Mathematicians , by and large , tend to be very unhappy people in my experience .
Not all of them , of course .
Some mathematicians have a certain " spark " that allows them to abandon mathematics temporarily and give themselves over to the pleasure of an interpersonal relationship ; but even so it is still against their nature to do so , and they will always slip back into the comfort of a mathematical outlook sooner or later.I suspect that extraordinary skill in mathematics is not the cause of such a personality , but rather they are both common effects of some psychological variation that simply causes such people to perceive the world in a particular way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perelman has a mind that is capable of taking in more information than any mathematical mind that has come before.
His brain is like a universal math compactor.
He grasps complex problems and reduces them to their solvable essence.
The problem is that he expects human beings to be similarly subject to reduction.This is a universal affliction among mathematicians I've known.
They tend to look at the world mathematically, and aren't really able to understand things they can't reduce to an equation.
This leads to a very black and white view of the world, where things must be a certain way, and anything that doesn't fall into that worldview is just wrong.
Everything that people do must have a rational reason, and if they can't find one they will construct a reason that seems rational to them--regardless of how simplistic it is, or how dim a view of their fellow human beings it leads them to.Mathematicians, by and large, tend to be very unhappy people in my experience.
Not all of them, of course.
Some mathematicians have a certain "spark" that allows them to abandon mathematics temporarily and give themselves over to the pleasure of an interpersonal relationship; but even so it is still against their nature to do so, and they will always slip back into the comfort of a mathematical outlook sooner or later.I suspect that extraordinary skill in mathematics is not the cause of such a personality, but rather they are both common effects of some psychological variation that simply causes such people to perceive the world in a particular way.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30511968</id>
	<title>Re:Humankind Cares</title>
	<author>Hijacked Public</author>
	<datestamp>1261410300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ted Kaczynski</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ted Kaczynski</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ted Kaczynski</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30507844</id>
	<title>Is this the guy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261315920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>whose work was robbed by the Chinese paper publishing cottage industry? The one where the Chinese students who are of the wrong sex and not pretty are writing the papers, and their professor takes credit?</htmltext>
<tokenext>whose work was robbed by the Chinese paper publishing cottage industry ?
The one where the Chinese students who are of the wrong sex and not pretty are writing the papers , and their professor takes credit ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>whose work was robbed by the Chinese paper publishing cottage industry?
The one where the Chinese students who are of the wrong sex and not pretty are writing the papers, and their professor takes credit?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30508612</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261325400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Russell Crowe will make you care about this Russian hermit.</p><p>From his earlier movie, I learned that Nash equilibrium was a theory developed as a way to maximize a guy's chances of picking up hot chicks in a bar.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Russell Crowe will make you care about this Russian hermit.From his earlier movie , I learned that Nash equilibrium was a theory developed as a way to maximize a guy 's chances of picking up hot chicks in a bar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Russell Crowe will make you care about this Russian hermit.From his earlier movie, I learned that Nash equilibrium was a theory developed as a way to maximize a guy's chances of picking up hot chicks in a bar.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30507746</id>
	<title>poor design clay institute web site</title>
	<author>cinnamon colbert</author>
	<datestamp>1261314600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>am i the only one noticing that you have to click to each problem, and each page has just a short bit of text and a picture ?
why on earth can't the clay put this all on one page - if they have 7 million smackers for prize money surely they can afford to correct really glaring errors in website design

or is this a math way of saying we are mathemiticians who don't care about the crap that you normal lesser people care about ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>am i the only one noticing that you have to click to each problem , and each page has just a short bit of text and a picture ?
why on earth ca n't the clay put this all on one page - if they have 7 million smackers for prize money surely they can afford to correct really glaring errors in website design or is this a math way of saying we are mathemiticians who do n't care about the crap that you normal lesser people care about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>am i the only one noticing that you have to click to each problem, and each page has just a short bit of text and a picture ?
why on earth can't the clay put this all on one page - if they have 7 million smackers for prize money surely they can afford to correct really glaring errors in website design

or is this a math way of saying we are mathemiticians who don't care about the crap that you normal lesser people care about ?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30511374</id>
	<title>Re:Humankind Cares</title>
	<author>gad\_zuki!</author>
	<datestamp>1261406820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While smarts and social oddness go hand in hand, stuff like exile and not talking to people on this level is actually pretty uncommon.  You mention Einstein.  Well, for a good part of his life he was incredibly social. Always giving speeches about his views and opinions, hence all the bumper sticker and quotes.  Heck, he even spoke at a vegetarian event even though he was a meat eater.</p><p>Personally, I think a lot of this is autism/aspergers spectrum stuff or a sign of mental illness.  Lets not forget the high correlation between suicide and high IQ.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While smarts and social oddness go hand in hand , stuff like exile and not talking to people on this level is actually pretty uncommon .
You mention Einstein .
Well , for a good part of his life he was incredibly social .
Always giving speeches about his views and opinions , hence all the bumper sticker and quotes .
Heck , he even spoke at a vegetarian event even though he was a meat eater.Personally , I think a lot of this is autism/aspergers spectrum stuff or a sign of mental illness .
Lets not forget the high correlation between suicide and high IQ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While smarts and social oddness go hand in hand, stuff like exile and not talking to people on this level is actually pretty uncommon.
You mention Einstein.
Well, for a good part of his life he was incredibly social.
Always giving speeches about his views and opinions, hence all the bumper sticker and quotes.
Heck, he even spoke at a vegetarian event even though he was a meat eater.Personally, I think a lot of this is autism/aspergers spectrum stuff or a sign of mental illness.
Lets not forget the high correlation between suicide and high IQ.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30508152</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe ....</title>
	<author>iluvcapra</author>
	<datestamp>1261320120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Garbo never stopped making movies, even in her "seclusion," and she made sure Louis B. Mayer paid her very, very well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Garbo never stopped making movies , even in her " seclusion , " and she made sure Louis B. Mayer paid her very , very well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Garbo never stopped making movies, even in her "seclusion," and she made sure Louis B. Mayer paid her very, very well.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_20_2012235.30508688</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>Kartoffel</author>
	<datestamp>1261326360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perelman's picture in TFA looks just like Lazlo Hollyfeld (Jonathan Gries) from "Real Genius". They are actually the same person!  I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of this, which this post is too small to contain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perelman 's picture in TFA looks just like Lazlo Hollyfeld ( Jonathan Gries ) from " Real Genius " .
They are actually the same person !
I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of this , which this post is too small to contain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perelman's picture in TFA looks just like Lazlo Hollyfeld (Jonathan Gries) from "Real Genius".
They are actually the same person!
I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of this, which this post is too small to contain.</sentencetext>
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