<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_19_2028228</id>
	<title>Library Groups Ask DOJ To Oversee Google Books</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1261230720000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>adeelarshad82 writes <i>"Three library associations have <a href="http://www.libraryjournal.com/index.asp?layout=articlePrint&amp;articleID=CA6712243">asked the Justice Department to oversee Google's plans</a> to create a massive digital library, so as to prevent excessively high pricing for institutional subscriptions. They said that there was unlikely to be an effective competitor to Google's massive project in the near term. They also asked for academic author representation on the Registry board. Google's plan to digitize millions of books has been criticized by a variety of sources and has recently been <a href="//yro.slashdot.org/story/09/12/18/1835258/Google-Found-Guilty-of-French-Copyright-Infringement">shut down in France</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>adeelarshad82 writes " Three library associations have asked the Justice Department to oversee Google 's plans to create a massive digital library , so as to prevent excessively high pricing for institutional subscriptions .
They said that there was unlikely to be an effective competitor to Google 's massive project in the near term .
They also asked for academic author representation on the Registry board .
Google 's plan to digitize millions of books has been criticized by a variety of sources and has recently been shut down in France .
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<sentencetext>adeelarshad82 writes "Three library associations have asked the Justice Department to oversee Google's plans to create a massive digital library, so as to prevent excessively high pricing for institutional subscriptions.
They said that there was unlikely to be an effective competitor to Google's massive project in the near term.
They also asked for academic author representation on the Registry board.
Google's plan to digitize millions of books has been criticized by a variety of sources and has recently been shut down in France.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30503114</id>
	<title>Re:Why do I get</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261310400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The librarians and the Author's guild and essentially everybody in this fight <i>except</i> Google are the Good Guys this time.  The grandparent has the issue right, but the party to be concerned about wrong - this <i>is</i> about control, Google's control and their legally questionable and ethically objectionable attempts to be awarded a permanent legal monopoly on maintaining an electronic archive of out of print books.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The librarians and the Author 's guild and essentially everybody in this fight except Google are the Good Guys this time .
The grandparent has the issue right , but the party to be concerned about wrong - this is about control , Google 's control and their legally questionable and ethically objectionable attempts to be awarded a permanent legal monopoly on maintaining an electronic archive of out of print books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The librarians and the Author's guild and essentially everybody in this fight except Google are the Good Guys this time.
The grandparent has the issue right, but the party to be concerned about wrong - this is about control, Google's control and their legally questionable and ethically objectionable attempts to be awarded a permanent legal monopoly on maintaining an electronic archive of out of print books.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30502034</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30502326</id>
	<title>Re:Why do I get</title>
	<author>Gerzel</author>
	<datestamp>1261247640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I doubt it.  Most of these library groups are just that groups that represent public and semi-private libraries who exist with a non-profit mandate and purpose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I doubt it .
Most of these library groups are just that groups that represent public and semi-private libraries who exist with a non-profit mandate and purpose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I doubt it.
Most of these library groups are just that groups that represent public and semi-private libraries who exist with a non-profit mandate and purpose.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30502018</id>
	<title>Re:Wait just a minute here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261240800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're a retard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're a retard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're a retard.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30501840</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30501980</id>
	<title>Re:Good Grief.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261239840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Google has a sweetheart deal that no one else on the planet can get.  They worked the writers guild and court system in such a way as to give themselves the rights to all this material in one swoop.  Anyone who wants to compete with them would be required to find / negotiate with each copyright holder to get them to give them access.

This is a major barrier to any competition.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Google has a sweetheart deal that no one else on the planet can get .
They worked the writers guild and court system in such a way as to give themselves the rights to all this material in one swoop .
Anyone who wants to compete with them would be required to find / negotiate with each copyright holder to get them to give them access .
This is a major barrier to any competition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google has a sweetheart deal that no one else on the planet can get.
They worked the writers guild and court system in such a way as to give themselves the rights to all this material in one swoop.
Anyone who wants to compete with them would be required to find / negotiate with each copyright holder to get them to give them access.
This is a major barrier to any competition.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30501820</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30501840</id>
	<title>Wait just a minute here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261237140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Aren't librarians notorious for telling the DOJ to stay the hell out of their business?  Weren't these the same people who refused to give the DOJ the records of people who were checking out Jihad and bomb making books?  Aren't these the same people who refuse to have any type of filtering software on their computers so that any perve can sit there and view gay-incestuous-animal-porn on a PC right in front of preschoolers sitting down for story time?</p><p>Reminds of people who protest and bitch about the cops all the time but are happy to call them when someone is breaking into their house!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are n't librarians notorious for telling the DOJ to stay the hell out of their business ?
Were n't these the same people who refused to give the DOJ the records of people who were checking out Jihad and bomb making books ?
Are n't these the same people who refuse to have any type of filtering software on their computers so that any perve can sit there and view gay-incestuous-animal-porn on a PC right in front of preschoolers sitting down for story time ? Reminds of people who protest and bitch about the cops all the time but are happy to call them when someone is breaking into their house !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aren't librarians notorious for telling the DOJ to stay the hell out of their business?
Weren't these the same people who refused to give the DOJ the records of people who were checking out Jihad and bomb making books?
Aren't these the same people who refuse to have any type of filtering software on their computers so that any perve can sit there and view gay-incestuous-animal-porn on a PC right in front of preschoolers sitting down for story time?Reminds of people who protest and bitch about the cops all the time but are happy to call them when someone is breaking into their house!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30501934</id>
	<title>Re:Why do I get</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261238820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, because they charged large amounts prior to google.<br> <br>Get a clue. These guys were google before there was a google. Sorry if that concept hurts your little head.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , because they charged large amounts prior to google .
Get a clue .
These guys were google before there was a google .
Sorry if that concept hurts your little head .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, because they charged large amounts prior to google.
Get a clue.
These guys were google before there was a google.
Sorry if that concept hurts your little head.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30501706</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30502106</id>
	<title>Re:Why do I get</title>
	<author>pjt48108</author>
	<datestamp>1261242300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because that's exactly how it would be. I used to work in libraries. They're just suffering an existential crisis, and will react this way each time someone comes up with a better idea than they can make good on themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because that 's exactly how it would be .
I used to work in libraries .
They 're just suffering an existential crisis , and will react this way each time someone comes up with a better idea than they can make good on themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because that's exactly how it would be.
I used to work in libraries.
They're just suffering an existential crisis, and will react this way each time someone comes up with a better idea than they can make good on themselves.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30501706</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30502156</id>
	<title>Re:Why do I get</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261243620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you are wrong, but your idealistic notion is a good one.</p><p>Libraries are there to provide books that people want to read. Often they throw out books, some that are really good to read, but not popular. What Google is doing is valuable for those who want to have access to the books their library does not / will not / can not carry.</p><p>I think that the ideal library has all books... old and new. Realistically that is not possible. There are inter-library loans and such for books with some libraries, but finding those books can be difficult as well.</p><p>Libraries should be rejoicing that something like this can happen!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you are wrong , but your idealistic notion is a good one.Libraries are there to provide books that people want to read .
Often they throw out books , some that are really good to read , but not popular .
What Google is doing is valuable for those who want to have access to the books their library does not / will not / can not carry.I think that the ideal library has all books... old and new .
Realistically that is not possible .
There are inter-library loans and such for books with some libraries , but finding those books can be difficult as well.Libraries should be rejoicing that something like this can happen !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you are wrong, but your idealistic notion is a good one.Libraries are there to provide books that people want to read.
Often they throw out books, some that are really good to read, but not popular.
What Google is doing is valuable for those who want to have access to the books their library does not / will not / can not carry.I think that the ideal library has all books... old and new.
Realistically that is not possible.
There are inter-library loans and such for books with some libraries, but finding those books can be difficult as well.Libraries should be rejoicing that something like this can happen!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30501736</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30501732</id>
	<title>Re:Why do I get</title>
	<author>Ethanol-fueled</author>
	<datestamp>1261235160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're right. This isn't about fair prices for consumers, it's about control. Why should I have to pay just to read a paper which was funded with my tax dollars?<br> <br>

They probably think that people will use Google to "steal" what should be in the public domain to begin with. They think that it will ruin their business, just like how the internet "ruined" the newspaper business.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're right .
This is n't about fair prices for consumers , it 's about control .
Why should I have to pay just to read a paper which was funded with my tax dollars ?
They probably think that people will use Google to " steal " what should be in the public domain to begin with .
They think that it will ruin their business , just like how the internet " ruined " the newspaper business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're right.
This isn't about fair prices for consumers, it's about control.
Why should I have to pay just to read a paper which was funded with my tax dollars?
They probably think that people will use Google to "steal" what should be in the public domain to begin with.
They think that it will ruin their business, just like how the internet "ruined" the newspaper business.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30501706</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30503206</id>
	<title>The libraries problem are from copyrights</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261313100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The libraries problem are from copyrights.</p><p>"They said that there was unlikely to be an effective competitor to Google's massive project in the near term."</p><p>The reason for this is that with copyright law as it is now pursued (which, incidentally, would ban libraries) requires you buy or negotiate a license to do what Google (and libraries) do. The only reason why there will be a looong wait for competitors is because THE PUBLISHERS and COPYRIGHT OWNERS demand their pounds of flesh. And government enforces this.</p><p>All it would require is less government action.</p><p>Don't enforce copyright for a library-like use and you'll see a dozen competitors in a year tops.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The libraries problem are from copyrights .
" They said that there was unlikely to be an effective competitor to Google 's massive project in the near term .
" The reason for this is that with copyright law as it is now pursued ( which , incidentally , would ban libraries ) requires you buy or negotiate a license to do what Google ( and libraries ) do .
The only reason why there will be a looong wait for competitors is because THE PUBLISHERS and COPYRIGHT OWNERS demand their pounds of flesh .
And government enforces this.All it would require is less government action.Do n't enforce copyright for a library-like use and you 'll see a dozen competitors in a year tops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The libraries problem are from copyrights.
"They said that there was unlikely to be an effective competitor to Google's massive project in the near term.
"The reason for this is that with copyright law as it is now pursued (which, incidentally, would ban libraries) requires you buy or negotiate a license to do what Google (and libraries) do.
The only reason why there will be a looong wait for competitors is because THE PUBLISHERS and COPYRIGHT OWNERS demand their pounds of flesh.
And government enforces this.All it would require is less government action.Don't enforce copyright for a library-like use and you'll see a dozen competitors in a year tops.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30502050</id>
	<title>Re:Wait just a minute here</title>
	<author>Daniel Dvorkin</author>
	<datestamp>1261241460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The DoJ is already in their business, by virtue of the settlement.  What the librarians are trying to do is limit the damage which this in-their-business-ness may do.  It's not analagous at all to someone who bitches about the cops but then calls 911 at the first sign of trouble.  It's more like someone who was once tasered for asking an officer why he was getting a speeding ticket trying to figure out, the next time he gets pulled over, what he can do to avoid it happening again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The DoJ is already in their business , by virtue of the settlement .
What the librarians are trying to do is limit the damage which this in-their-business-ness may do .
It 's not analagous at all to someone who bitches about the cops but then calls 911 at the first sign of trouble .
It 's more like someone who was once tasered for asking an officer why he was getting a speeding ticket trying to figure out , the next time he gets pulled over , what he can do to avoid it happening again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The DoJ is already in their business, by virtue of the settlement.
What the librarians are trying to do is limit the damage which this in-their-business-ness may do.
It's not analagous at all to someone who bitches about the cops but then calls 911 at the first sign of trouble.
It's more like someone who was once tasered for asking an officer why he was getting a speeding ticket trying to figure out, the next time he gets pulled over, what he can do to avoid it happening again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30501886</id>
	<title>tl;dr</title>
	<author>NosTROLLdamus</author>
	<datestamp>1261238100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I haven't read this article, or any article for at least a year; however, I feel the need to call out this blatant slashvertisement, and to point out the numerous errors in the summary along with the obvious spelling mistake.  Clearly Zonk needs to be fired.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't read this article , or any article for at least a year ; however , I feel the need to call out this blatant slashvertisement , and to point out the numerous errors in the summary along with the obvious spelling mistake .
Clearly Zonk needs to be fired .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't read this article, or any article for at least a year; however, I feel the need to call out this blatant slashvertisement, and to point out the numerous errors in the summary along with the obvious spelling mistake.
Clearly Zonk needs to be fired.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30501952</id>
	<title>No competition?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261239180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google is already being <a href="http://thepiratebay.org/search/book/0/99/600" title="thepiratebay.org">undercut</a> [thepiratebay.org].</p><p>(may not want to follow link at work due to ads on site).</p><p>There are lots of people digitizing books, for free - so there's already some pressure on Google to be reasonable about pricing, even if they will probably have a much more comprehensive selection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google is already being undercut [ thepiratebay.org ] .
( may not want to follow link at work due to ads on site ) .There are lots of people digitizing books , for free - so there 's already some pressure on Google to be reasonable about pricing , even if they will probably have a much more comprehensive selection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google is already being undercut [thepiratebay.org].
(may not want to follow link at work due to ads on site).There are lots of people digitizing books, for free - so there's already some pressure on Google to be reasonable about pricing, even if they will probably have a much more comprehensive selection.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30504988</id>
	<title>Re:Why do I get</title>
	<author>ArundelCastle</author>
	<datestamp>1261333560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because you're paranoid, didn't RTFA, and you don't understand the concept of not-for-profit. Library associations don't possess or provide access to this content, and they don't charge anyone anything (other than institutional membership fees), even if it "came down to it".  They have the power to lobby, which is exactly what they're doing here.</p><p>Associations a library chooses to belong to have no control over setting cost of services.  If that was the case, costs would be uniform, and they're not. That is for Directors, Deans, and Boards of each institution, and most every publicly funded institution has a mandate to provide as much as possible for free.  If you don't like the fees one library may be charging you to fulfill a request, try another library.  If that one is outside your "tax" region, check if they have a partnership with your local institutions to access the information for free.  Odds are you'll only need to show your current library card.</p><p>You do have one, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because you 're paranoid , did n't RTFA , and you do n't understand the concept of not-for-profit .
Library associations do n't possess or provide access to this content , and they do n't charge anyone anything ( other than institutional membership fees ) , even if it " came down to it " .
They have the power to lobby , which is exactly what they 're doing here.Associations a library chooses to belong to have no control over setting cost of services .
If that was the case , costs would be uniform , and they 're not .
That is for Directors , Deans , and Boards of each institution , and most every publicly funded institution has a mandate to provide as much as possible for free .
If you do n't like the fees one library may be charging you to fulfill a request , try another library .
If that one is outside your " tax " region , check if they have a partnership with your local institutions to access the information for free .
Odds are you 'll only need to show your current library card.You do have one , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because you're paranoid, didn't RTFA, and you don't understand the concept of not-for-profit.
Library associations don't possess or provide access to this content, and they don't charge anyone anything (other than institutional membership fees), even if it "came down to it".
They have the power to lobby, which is exactly what they're doing here.Associations a library chooses to belong to have no control over setting cost of services.
If that was the case, costs would be uniform, and they're not.
That is for Directors, Deans, and Boards of each institution, and most every publicly funded institution has a mandate to provide as much as possible for free.
If you don't like the fees one library may be charging you to fulfill a request, try another library.
If that one is outside your "tax" region, check if they have a partnership with your local institutions to access the information for free.
Odds are you'll only need to show your current library card.You do have one, right?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30509880</id>
	<title>Sorry Sir, but...</title>
	<author>Balibaloodestroyme</author>
	<datestamp>1261386300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... Google's digitization plans haven't been exactly "shut down" in France. What's going on instead, is that they have been compelled to stop displaying and digitizing books belonging to the defendant's catalogue, the publisher La Martini&#232;re. Only books not in the public domain, and only books published by La Martini&#232;re.

Please check your sources before this turns into yet another useless flamewar.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... Google 's digitization plans have n't been exactly " shut down " in France .
What 's going on instead , is that they have been compelled to stop displaying and digitizing books belonging to the defendant 's catalogue , the publisher La Martini   re .
Only books not in the public domain , and only books published by La Martini   re .
Please check your sources before this turns into yet another useless flamewar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... Google's digitization plans haven't been exactly "shut down" in France.
What's going on instead, is that they have been compelled to stop displaying and digitizing books belonging to the defendant's catalogue, the publisher La Martinière.
Only books not in the public domain, and only books published by La Martinière.
Please check your sources before this turns into yet another useless flamewar.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30501852</id>
	<title>It's all against the law.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261237440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's against copyright law to scan an entire book into your computer. And to store the entire text in a database. Even if you never show it to anyone. It's still against existing copyright law.</p><p>What they have done is a gigantic, brazen violation of existing law.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's against copyright law to scan an entire book into your computer .
And to store the entire text in a database .
Even if you never show it to anyone .
It 's still against existing copyright law.What they have done is a gigantic , brazen violation of existing law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's against copyright law to scan an entire book into your computer.
And to store the entire text in a database.
Even if you never show it to anyone.
It's still against existing copyright law.What they have done is a gigantic, brazen violation of existing law.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30503920</id>
	<title>Re:It's all against the law.</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1261324680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm going to violate YOU, you whining little bitch!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm going to violate YOU , you whining little bitch !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm going to violate YOU, you whining little bitch!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30505384</id>
	<title>Who owns the copyright once a book is digitized?</title>
	<author>Harvey Manfrenjenson</author>
	<datestamp>1261336620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK, let's say Google creates a digital copy of a public-domain work... Is the digital copy still a public-domain object, or does it belong to Google?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , let 's say Google creates a digital copy of a public-domain work... Is the digital copy still a public-domain object , or does it belong to Google ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, let's say Google creates a digital copy of a public-domain work... Is the digital copy still a public-domain object, or does it belong to Google?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30501898</id>
	<title>I work in IT in an Academic Library</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261238220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is just another stunt to try and keep a dying profession/organization alive. Librarians need to embrace Google and try to partner with them whenever possible. They know their usefulness is going away, but they won't try to figure out how to become more relevant.</p><p>Academic Libraries are turning into computer labs. They are even putting in "Gaming Labs" in academic libraries to lure more students in. This way the gate counts go up and they keep getting funds. Never mind the typical undergrad could care less about Librarians and just want a place to type their paper and print it out.</p><p>But don't take my public library away! I love mine and hope it continues to be funded.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is just another stunt to try and keep a dying profession/organization alive .
Librarians need to embrace Google and try to partner with them whenever possible .
They know their usefulness is going away , but they wo n't try to figure out how to become more relevant.Academic Libraries are turning into computer labs .
They are even putting in " Gaming Labs " in academic libraries to lure more students in .
This way the gate counts go up and they keep getting funds .
Never mind the typical undergrad could care less about Librarians and just want a place to type their paper and print it out.But do n't take my public library away !
I love mine and hope it continues to be funded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is just another stunt to try and keep a dying profession/organization alive.
Librarians need to embrace Google and try to partner with them whenever possible.
They know their usefulness is going away, but they won't try to figure out how to become more relevant.Academic Libraries are turning into computer labs.
They are even putting in "Gaming Labs" in academic libraries to lure more students in.
This way the gate counts go up and they keep getting funds.
Never mind the typical undergrad could care less about Librarians and just want a place to type their paper and print it out.But don't take my public library away!
I love mine and hope it continues to be funded.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30502068</id>
	<title>Re:Why do I get</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261241760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>most libraries exist to provide free or low cost access to as much of this information as they can</p></div></blockquote><p>You're thinking of public libraries. There are more corporate and academic libraries than public. And my unfortunate experience within charities has taught me that management is often more interested in creating nice jobs for themselves and their friends, than the organization's purpose -- libraries won't be immune to that aspect of human nature. So it's only reasonable to examine their claim for turf-war aspects.</p><p>Wiki thumnails of the three groups. They do look pretty good.<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American\_Library\_Association" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American\_Library\_Association</a> [wikipedia.org]<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association\_of\_College\_and\_Research\_Libraries" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association\_of\_College\_and\_Research\_Libraries</a> [wikipedia.org]<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association\_of\_Research\_Libraries" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association\_of\_Research\_Libraries</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>Interesting that ACRL is listed separate, but is a division of ALA.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>most libraries exist to provide free or low cost access to as much of this information as they canYou 're thinking of public libraries .
There are more corporate and academic libraries than public .
And my unfortunate experience within charities has taught me that management is often more interested in creating nice jobs for themselves and their friends , than the organization 's purpose -- libraries wo n't be immune to that aspect of human nature .
So it 's only reasonable to examine their claim for turf-war aspects.Wiki thumnails of the three groups .
They do look pretty good.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American \ _Library \ _Association [ wikipedia.org ] http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association \ _of \ _College \ _and \ _Research \ _Libraries [ wikipedia.org ] http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association \ _of \ _Research \ _Libraries [ wikipedia.org ] Interesting that ACRL is listed separate , but is a division of ALA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>most libraries exist to provide free or low cost access to as much of this information as they canYou're thinking of public libraries.
There are more corporate and academic libraries than public.
And my unfortunate experience within charities has taught me that management is often more interested in creating nice jobs for themselves and their friends, than the organization's purpose -- libraries won't be immune to that aspect of human nature.
So it's only reasonable to examine their claim for turf-war aspects.Wiki thumnails of the three groups.
They do look pretty good.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American\_Library\_Association [wikipedia.org]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association\_of\_College\_and\_Research\_Libraries [wikipedia.org]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association\_of\_Research\_Libraries [wikipedia.org]Interesting that ACRL is listed separate, but is a division of ALA.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30502334</id>
	<title>Re:Why do I get</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261247760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed its like these people almost have devoted their lives to free repositories of information to educate society...what would a place like that be called?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed its like these people almost have devoted their lives to free repositories of information to educate society...what would a place like that be called ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed its like these people almost have devoted their lives to free repositories of information to educate society...what would a place like that be called?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30502602</id>
	<title>Re:It's all against the law.</title>
	<author>Firehed</author>
	<datestamp>1261340400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it now? IANAL, but I believe that so long as you have paid for the book in question and you're not distributing that material, you're at liberty to do just that. The DMCA need not apply, as books a) aren't digital and b) aren't copy-protected.</p><p>But again, IANAL. And as it's past 2am, I can't be bothered to do any research.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it now ?
IANAL , but I believe that so long as you have paid for the book in question and you 're not distributing that material , you 're at liberty to do just that .
The DMCA need not apply , as books a ) are n't digital and b ) are n't copy-protected.But again , IANAL .
And as it 's past 2am , I ca n't be bothered to do any research .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it now?
IANAL, but I believe that so long as you have paid for the book in question and you're not distributing that material, you're at liberty to do just that.
The DMCA need not apply, as books a) aren't digital and b) aren't copy-protected.But again, IANAL.
And as it's past 2am, I can't be bothered to do any research.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30502232</id>
	<title>Re:Why do I get</title>
	<author>Lemmy Caution</author>
	<datestamp>1261245120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The "supported by my tax dollars" thing is a bit of a red-herring. A lot of things are supported by your tax dollars, yet still have various fees associated with them (such as camping in a National Park.) The research may be funded by your tax dollars, or it may not be (a lot of university research is privately funded) but the distribution of the paper still needs to be paid for institutionally. And academic writing may not even be funded at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The " supported by my tax dollars " thing is a bit of a red-herring .
A lot of things are supported by your tax dollars , yet still have various fees associated with them ( such as camping in a National Park .
) The research may be funded by your tax dollars , or it may not be ( a lot of university research is privately funded ) but the distribution of the paper still needs to be paid for institutionally .
And academic writing may not even be funded at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "supported by my tax dollars" thing is a bit of a red-herring.
A lot of things are supported by your tax dollars, yet still have various fees associated with them (such as camping in a National Park.
) The research may be funded by your tax dollars, or it may not be (a lot of university research is privately funded) but the distribution of the paper still needs to be paid for institutionally.
And academic writing may not even be funded at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30501846</id>
	<title>Jigaboos!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261237260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Niggers!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Niggers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Niggers!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30505112</id>
	<title>Re:Why do I get</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261334580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I trust my librarian to NOT share my reading history with any person, corporation, or government.</p><p>Google will sell my reading history.</p><p>If you read a book on cancer, that would interest your employer or insurance company. If you read a book on Islam, that may interest the FBI.</p><p>If you read the Anarchists Cookbook, that may interest the government.</p><p>Google, or anyone, knowing too much about you is a very, very, bad thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I trust my librarian to NOT share my reading history with any person , corporation , or government.Google will sell my reading history.If you read a book on cancer , that would interest your employer or insurance company .
If you read a book on Islam , that may interest the FBI.If you read the Anarchists Cookbook , that may interest the government.Google , or anyone , knowing too much about you is a very , very , bad thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I trust my librarian to NOT share my reading history with any person, corporation, or government.Google will sell my reading history.If you read a book on cancer, that would interest your employer or insurance company.
If you read a book on Islam, that may interest the FBI.If you read the Anarchists Cookbook, that may interest the government.Google, or anyone, knowing too much about you is a very, very, bad thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30501696</id>
	<title>fp</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261234440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>anonymous coward asks slashdot users to suck his cock.</htmltext>
<tokenext>anonymous coward asks slashdot users to suck his cock .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>anonymous coward asks slashdot users to suck his cock.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30503776</id>
	<title>Because you believe people want to make money?</title>
	<author>fantomas</author>
	<datestamp>1261322880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because you are coming from a philosophical mindset of believing that people want to make money out of any resources that they have access to?</p><p>
&nbsp; My experience with library associations is that they are motivated by finding ways of getting information to as many people as possible for as little money as they can and free where where ever possible. Their model is one of service, often funded by the public sector and having a lot of people in their organisation who philosophically tend towards social models of society.  I have a suspicion more people work in libraries because they believe they can contribute towards a public good than because they believe can make a lot of money and get rich. Librarians get paid a monthly wage, are very unlikely to get financial end of year bonuses and are just keen to see their libraries full of people and breaking even.</p><p>Corporate information archives on the other hand... I think these are looking to make money out of their resources, probably are more likely to give financial bonuses to their staff for finding ways of maximising profits, and often have shareholders who are less interested in philosophical ideals than making money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because you are coming from a philosophical mindset of believing that people want to make money out of any resources that they have access to ?
  My experience with library associations is that they are motivated by finding ways of getting information to as many people as possible for as little money as they can and free where where ever possible .
Their model is one of service , often funded by the public sector and having a lot of people in their organisation who philosophically tend towards social models of society .
I have a suspicion more people work in libraries because they believe they can contribute towards a public good than because they believe can make a lot of money and get rich .
Librarians get paid a monthly wage , are very unlikely to get financial end of year bonuses and are just keen to see their libraries full of people and breaking even.Corporate information archives on the other hand... I think these are looking to make money out of their resources , probably are more likely to give financial bonuses to their staff for finding ways of maximising profits , and often have shareholders who are less interested in philosophical ideals than making money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because you are coming from a philosophical mindset of believing that people want to make money out of any resources that they have access to?
  My experience with library associations is that they are motivated by finding ways of getting information to as many people as possible for as little money as they can and free where where ever possible.
Their model is one of service, often funded by the public sector and having a lot of people in their organisation who philosophically tend towards social models of society.
I have a suspicion more people work in libraries because they believe they can contribute towards a public good than because they believe can make a lot of money and get rich.
Librarians get paid a monthly wage, are very unlikely to get financial end of year bonuses and are just keen to see their libraries full of people and breaking even.Corporate information archives on the other hand... I think these are looking to make money out of their resources, probably are more likely to give financial bonuses to their staff for finding ways of maximising profits, and often have shareholders who are less interested in philosophical ideals than making money.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30501794</id>
	<title>anal sex</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261235940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it wont do anything but make your dick stink</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it wont do anything but make your dick stink</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it wont do anything but make your dick stink</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30502918</id>
	<title>Economics...</title>
	<author>allcaps</author>
	<datestamp>1261305000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>lol. Natural monopoly?  A lack of competitors doesn't necessarily make for a bad economic climate.</htmltext>
<tokenext>lol .
Natural monopoly ?
A lack of competitors does n't necessarily make for a bad economic climate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lol.
Natural monopoly?
A lack of competitors doesn't necessarily make for a bad economic climate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30501784</id>
	<title>Re:Why do I get</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261235820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why should Google get the exclusive right to all that information?  Anyone else who wants to do what Google is doing will be forced to negotiate with each and every author individually which will put them at a great disadvantage.</p><p>Since Google controls the pricing they sell at any author who speaks out may find that Google starts running a sale on their works to reduce their payouts.  If Microsoft was doing this people would be pissed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why should Google get the exclusive right to all that information ?
Anyone else who wants to do what Google is doing will be forced to negotiate with each and every author individually which will put them at a great disadvantage.Since Google controls the pricing they sell at any author who speaks out may find that Google starts running a sale on their works to reduce their payouts .
If Microsoft was doing this people would be pissed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why should Google get the exclusive right to all that information?
Anyone else who wants to do what Google is doing will be forced to negotiate with each and every author individually which will put them at a great disadvantage.Since Google controls the pricing they sell at any author who speaks out may find that Google starts running a sale on their works to reduce their payouts.
If Microsoft was doing this people would be pissed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30502034</id>
	<title>Re:Why do I get</title>
	<author>Daniel Dvorkin</author>
	<datestamp>1261241040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>This isn't about fair prices for consumers, it's about control.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... They probably think that people will use Google to "steal" what should be in the public domain to begin with.</i></p><p>I think you've got it exactly backwards.  Here's the key line from TFA:</p><p><i>The library groups also express "great disappointment" that the DOJ did not not urge the parties to require representation of academic authors on the Registry board, even though academic authors wrote the vast majority of the books Google will include in its database, and those authors--unlike those in the Authors Guild---"probably would want the Registry to price the institutional subscription in a manner that maximizes public access rather than profits."</i></p><p>Get that?  <b>The library associations are the good guys here.</b>  Most librarians are very much in favor of public access (it kind of goes along with the whole concept of a library) and academic librarians in particular are really sick of seeing their limited budgets eaten up by absurd journal costs.  What they're worried about, I think, is that Google will end up as a partner with the publishers in making it more expensive for people to get access to information which, as you correctly point out, they've already paid for with their taxes.  Whether or not this concern is justified, I don't claim to know, but it's certainly worth raising the issue.  And speaking as an academic, I can say that they're absolutely right about what academic authors in general would want.  I'll never make a dime on any article I publish in a journal, and that's fine; the whole point of writing journal articles is to publicize the work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't about fair prices for consumers , it 's about control .
... They probably think that people will use Google to " steal " what should be in the public domain to begin with.I think you 've got it exactly backwards .
Here 's the key line from TFA : The library groups also express " great disappointment " that the DOJ did not not urge the parties to require representation of academic authors on the Registry board , even though academic authors wrote the vast majority of the books Google will include in its database , and those authors--unlike those in the Authors Guild--- " probably would want the Registry to price the institutional subscription in a manner that maximizes public access rather than profits .
" Get that ?
The library associations are the good guys here .
Most librarians are very much in favor of public access ( it kind of goes along with the whole concept of a library ) and academic librarians in particular are really sick of seeing their limited budgets eaten up by absurd journal costs .
What they 're worried about , I think , is that Google will end up as a partner with the publishers in making it more expensive for people to get access to information which , as you correctly point out , they 've already paid for with their taxes .
Whether or not this concern is justified , I do n't claim to know , but it 's certainly worth raising the issue .
And speaking as an academic , I can say that they 're absolutely right about what academic authors in general would want .
I 'll never make a dime on any article I publish in a journal , and that 's fine ; the whole point of writing journal articles is to publicize the work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't about fair prices for consumers, it's about control.
... They probably think that people will use Google to "steal" what should be in the public domain to begin with.I think you've got it exactly backwards.
Here's the key line from TFA:The library groups also express "great disappointment" that the DOJ did not not urge the parties to require representation of academic authors on the Registry board, even though academic authors wrote the vast majority of the books Google will include in its database, and those authors--unlike those in the Authors Guild---"probably would want the Registry to price the institutional subscription in a manner that maximizes public access rather than profits.
"Get that?
The library associations are the good guys here.
Most librarians are very much in favor of public access (it kind of goes along with the whole concept of a library) and academic librarians in particular are really sick of seeing their limited budgets eaten up by absurd journal costs.
What they're worried about, I think, is that Google will end up as a partner with the publishers in making it more expensive for people to get access to information which, as you correctly point out, they've already paid for with their taxes.
Whether or not this concern is justified, I don't claim to know, but it's certainly worth raising the issue.
And speaking as an academic, I can say that they're absolutely right about what academic authors in general would want.
I'll never make a dime on any article I publish in a journal, and that's fine; the whole point of writing journal articles is to publicize the work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30501960</id>
	<title>Re:Why do I get</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261239420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because you're a Slashtard whoring for karma by being skeptical of everything?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because you 're a Slashtard whoring for karma by being skeptical of everything ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because you're a Slashtard whoring for karma by being skeptical of everything?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30522788</id>
	<title>Re:I work in IT in an Academic Library</title>
	<author>tehcyder</author>
	<datestamp>1261491240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Never mind the typical undergrad could care less about Librarians and just want a place to type their paper and print it out.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Then the typical undergrad is a moron who shouldn't be pandered to.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Never mind the typical undergrad could care less about Librarians and just want a place to type their paper and print it out .
Then the typical undergrad is a moron who should n't be pandered to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Never mind the typical undergrad could care less about Librarians and just want a place to type their paper and print it out.
Then the typical undergrad is a moron who shouldn't be pandered to.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30502146</id>
	<title>Competition is easy</title>
	<author>Gothmolly</author>
	<datestamp>1261243260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just don't use their service.  Everyone survived w/o it before, so its clearly not something you must have.  If you decide to use it, STFU about the price.</p><p>Next ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just do n't use their service .
Everyone survived w/o it before , so its clearly not something you must have .
If you decide to use it , STFU about the price.Next ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just don't use their service.
Everyone survived w/o it before, so its clearly not something you must have.
If you decide to use it, STFU about the price.Next ?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30501736</id>
	<title>Re:Why do I get</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261235160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think so.  I mean, most libraries exist to provide free or low cost access to as much of this information as they can.</p><p>I wonder if the library association is interested in this because they worry about their own existence?</p><p>Personally, I don't think this is a terrible idea.  I mean, many of us don't doubt Google's intentions... But I like this sort of mindset when someone has a de facto monopoly.  I'd rather err on the side of suspicion and actually put emphasis protecting competitors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think so .
I mean , most libraries exist to provide free or low cost access to as much of this information as they can.I wonder if the library association is interested in this because they worry about their own existence ? Personally , I do n't think this is a terrible idea .
I mean , many of us do n't doubt Google 's intentions... But I like this sort of mindset when someone has a de facto monopoly .
I 'd rather err on the side of suspicion and actually put emphasis protecting competitors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think so.
I mean, most libraries exist to provide free or low cost access to as much of this information as they can.I wonder if the library association is interested in this because they worry about their own existence?Personally, I don't think this is a terrible idea.
I mean, many of us don't doubt Google's intentions... But I like this sort of mindset when someone has a de facto monopoly.
I'd rather err on the side of suspicion and actually put emphasis protecting competitors.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30501712</id>
	<title>what?</title>
	<author>larry bagina</author>
	<datestamp>1261234680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the institutional subscription is more expensive than what they're doing now, maybe they shouldn't use it. If it's less expensive, then what's the problem?</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the institutional subscription is more expensive than what they 're doing now , maybe they should n't use it .
If it 's less expensive , then what 's the problem ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the institutional subscription is more expensive than what they're doing now, maybe they shouldn't use it.
If it's less expensive, then what's the problem?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30502890</id>
	<title>The correct way to analyse the situation ....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261304220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is to consider the implications of Microsoft doing this. Statements such as '... but Google isn't Microsoft' or '... Google has said it will do no evil' are meaningless. Power once given, or taken, is never rescinded. One organisation, a for-profit organisation at that, in control of all books? Hmmm what could possibly go wrong?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is to consider the implications of Microsoft doing this .
Statements such as '... but Google is n't Microsoft ' or '... Google has said it will do no evil ' are meaningless .
Power once given , or taken , is never rescinded .
One organisation , a for-profit organisation at that , in control of all books ?
Hmmm what could possibly go wrong ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is to consider the implications of Microsoft doing this.
Statements such as '... but Google isn't Microsoft' or '... Google has said it will do no evil' are meaningless.
Power once given, or taken, is never rescinded.
One organisation, a for-profit organisation at that, in control of all books?
Hmmm what could possibly go wrong?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30503894</id>
	<title>Re:Good Grief.</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1261324440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"This is a major barrier to any competition."</p><p>Not so much as you seem to imply.  It was as large, or maybe even a larger, barrier before Google got started.  Google has done a lot of homework, and legal work, pointing toward all those rights holders that must be negotiated with.  Some freeloading corporation can follow all the legal work, which will connect him with each and every rights holder that Google had to find in the first place.</p><p>As for the actual negotiations - I would imagine that the freeloader corporation might have to match, or better, Google's deals.  Who is in a position to do so?  Maybe Microsoft?  Anyone else?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" This is a major barrier to any competition .
" Not so much as you seem to imply .
It was as large , or maybe even a larger , barrier before Google got started .
Google has done a lot of homework , and legal work , pointing toward all those rights holders that must be negotiated with .
Some freeloading corporation can follow all the legal work , which will connect him with each and every rights holder that Google had to find in the first place.As for the actual negotiations - I would imagine that the freeloader corporation might have to match , or better , Google 's deals .
Who is in a position to do so ?
Maybe Microsoft ?
Anyone else ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"This is a major barrier to any competition.
"Not so much as you seem to imply.
It was as large, or maybe even a larger, barrier before Google got started.
Google has done a lot of homework, and legal work, pointing toward all those rights holders that must be negotiated with.
Some freeloading corporation can follow all the legal work, which will connect him with each and every rights holder that Google had to find in the first place.As for the actual negotiations - I would imagine that the freeloader corporation might have to match, or better, Google's deals.
Who is in a position to do so?
Maybe Microsoft?
Anyone else?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30501820</id>
	<title>Good Grief.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261236660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe Google should take their ball and go home. They *are not* required to digitize millions of book for they general perusal of mankind, if they don't want to.

Let these selfish "library groups" wallow in the absence of Google Books.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe Google should take their ball and go home .
They * are not * required to digitize millions of book for they general perusal of mankind , if they do n't want to .
Let these selfish " library groups " wallow in the absence of Google Books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe Google should take their ball and go home.
They *are not* required to digitize millions of book for they general perusal of mankind, if they don't want to.
Let these selfish "library groups" wallow in the absence of Google Books.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30502448</id>
	<title>Asimov saw this coming</title>
	<author>lcreech</author>
	<datestamp>1261250760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will all good the intentions I'm sure Google has (and I give them an A+, much higher marks that the norm of corporate America, which gets a C-). the problem is which Isaac Asimov pointed out in the Foundation Trilogy Series and his visions of tomorrow some 50 years ago is technology is that nothing out lasts simple tech, Steel, Stone or Paper to document things when technology changes or gets lost or power goes out. Google is doing a great things but old tech archives must also be renewed and kept alive just in case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will all good the intentions I 'm sure Google has ( and I give them an A + , much higher marks that the norm of corporate America , which gets a C- ) .
the problem is which Isaac Asimov pointed out in the Foundation Trilogy Series and his visions of tomorrow some 50 years ago is technology is that nothing out lasts simple tech , Steel , Stone or Paper to document things when technology changes or gets lost or power goes out .
Google is doing a great things but old tech archives must also be renewed and kept alive just in case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will all good the intentions I'm sure Google has (and I give them an A+, much higher marks that the norm of corporate America, which gets a C-).
the problem is which Isaac Asimov pointed out in the Foundation Trilogy Series and his visions of tomorrow some 50 years ago is technology is that nothing out lasts simple tech, Steel, Stone or Paper to document things when technology changes or gets lost or power goes out.
Google is doing a great things but old tech archives must also be renewed and kept alive just in case.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30503624</id>
	<title>Re:I work in IT in an Academic Library</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261320900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When did American Class Action settlements become binding on the rest of the world?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When did American Class Action settlements become binding on the rest of the world ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When did American Class Action settlements become binding on the rest of the world?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30501932</id>
	<title>Re:Why do I get</title>
	<author>Trepidity</author>
	<datestamp>1261238760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's certainly the precedent set by <a href="http://www.jstor.org/" title="jstor.org">JSTOR</a> [jstor.org], a more traditional non-profit initiative with closer ties to libraries. An individual not affiliated with a subscribing institution basically can't get access, outside a few narrow exceptions (like access to a specific journal if you're an individual subscriber to the paper version of the journal). They won't even allow public access to old journals that are in the public domain! Google so far is being much more public-friendly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's certainly the precedent set by JSTOR [ jstor.org ] , a more traditional non-profit initiative with closer ties to libraries .
An individual not affiliated with a subscribing institution basically ca n't get access , outside a few narrow exceptions ( like access to a specific journal if you 're an individual subscriber to the paper version of the journal ) .
They wo n't even allow public access to old journals that are in the public domain !
Google so far is being much more public-friendly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's certainly the precedent set by JSTOR [jstor.org], a more traditional non-profit initiative with closer ties to libraries.
An individual not affiliated with a subscribing institution basically can't get access, outside a few narrow exceptions (like access to a specific journal if you're an individual subscriber to the paper version of the journal).
They won't even allow public access to old journals that are in the public domain!
Google so far is being much more public-friendly.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_2028228.30501706</id>
	<title>Why do I get</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261234560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do I get the feeling that if it came down to it, it would be these library associations who would be charging large amounts of money to access their archives rather then Google.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do I get the feeling that if it came down to it , it would be these library associations who would be charging large amounts of money to access their archives rather then Google .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do I get the feeling that if it came down to it, it would be these library associations who would be charging large amounts of money to access their archives rather then Google.</sentencetext>
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