<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_19_1913218</id>
	<title>Proposed NASA Mission Would Sail the Seas of Titan</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1261221480000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>The BBC has a report on a proposal that will be submitted to NASA for funding &mdash; a mission to Saturn's moon Titan that would <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8409052.stm">deposit a lander on its hydrocarbon sea</a>. (We recently discussed the widely-circulated photo of <a href="//science.slashdot.org/story/09/12/18/0021217/Lake-On-Titan-Winks-From-a-Billion-Kilometers-Away">sunlight glinting off one of Titan's seas</a>.) <i>"The scientific team behind the idea is targeting Ligeia Mare, a vast body of liquid methane sited in the high north of Saturn's largest moon. ... 'It is something that would really capture the imagination,' said Dr Ellen Stofan, from Proxemy Research, who leads the study team. 'The story of human exploration on Earth has been one of navigation and seafaring, and the idea that we could explore for the first time an extraterrestrial sea I think would be mind-blowing for most people,' she told BBC News. ... The Titan Mare Explorer (TiME) has already been under study for about two years. It is envisaged as a relatively low-cost endeavor &mdash; in the low $400m range. It could launch in January 2016, and make some flybys of Earth and Jupiter to pick up the gravitational energy it would need to head straight at the Saturnian moon for a splash down in June 2023."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>The BBC has a report on a proposal that will be submitted to NASA for funding    a mission to Saturn 's moon Titan that would deposit a lander on its hydrocarbon sea .
( We recently discussed the widely-circulated photo of sunlight glinting off one of Titan 's seas .
) " The scientific team behind the idea is targeting Ligeia Mare , a vast body of liquid methane sited in the high north of Saturn 's largest moon .
... 'It is something that would really capture the imagination, ' said Dr Ellen Stofan , from Proxemy Research , who leads the study team .
'The story of human exploration on Earth has been one of navigation and seafaring , and the idea that we could explore for the first time an extraterrestrial sea I think would be mind-blowing for most people, ' she told BBC News .
... The Titan Mare Explorer ( TiME ) has already been under study for about two years .
It is envisaged as a relatively low-cost endeavor    in the low $ 400m range .
It could launch in January 2016 , and make some flybys of Earth and Jupiter to pick up the gravitational energy it would need to head straight at the Saturnian moon for a splash down in June 2023 .
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<sentencetext>The BBC has a report on a proposal that will be submitted to NASA for funding — a mission to Saturn's moon Titan that would deposit a lander on its hydrocarbon sea.
(We recently discussed the widely-circulated photo of sunlight glinting off one of Titan's seas.
) "The scientific team behind the idea is targeting Ligeia Mare, a vast body of liquid methane sited in the high north of Saturn's largest moon.
... 'It is something that would really capture the imagination,' said Dr Ellen Stofan, from Proxemy Research, who leads the study team.
'The story of human exploration on Earth has been one of navigation and seafaring, and the idea that we could explore for the first time an extraterrestrial sea I think would be mind-blowing for most people,' she told BBC News.
... The Titan Mare Explorer (TiME) has already been under study for about two years.
It is envisaged as a relatively low-cost endeavor — in the low $400m range.
It could launch in January 2016, and make some flybys of Earth and Jupiter to pick up the gravitational energy it would need to head straight at the Saturnian moon for a splash down in June 2023.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30504226</id>
	<title>Carrier spacecraft</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261328040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mod the parent down. It is pretty obvious that a Titan lander would have to have a carrier spacecraft for navigation, communications, targeting etc. All soft landers the US has ever launched have had them. To target a landing precisely such a carrier spacecraft would have to be in orbit about Saturn and approach Titan from the trailing side. It is not hard to imagine the spacecraft orbiting Titan. Furthermore, the fact Huygen's carrier signal was readily detected by radio telescopes on earth when the transmitter wasn't even designed for the task suggests that this is a non-issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mod the parent down .
It is pretty obvious that a Titan lander would have to have a carrier spacecraft for navigation , communications , targeting etc .
All soft landers the US has ever launched have had them .
To target a landing precisely such a carrier spacecraft would have to be in orbit about Saturn and approach Titan from the trailing side .
It is not hard to imagine the spacecraft orbiting Titan .
Furthermore , the fact Huygen 's carrier signal was readily detected by radio telescopes on earth when the transmitter was n't even designed for the task suggests that this is a non-issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mod the parent down.
It is pretty obvious that a Titan lander would have to have a carrier spacecraft for navigation, communications, targeting etc.
All soft landers the US has ever launched have had them.
To target a landing precisely such a carrier spacecraft would have to be in orbit about Saturn and approach Titan from the trailing side.
It is not hard to imagine the spacecraft orbiting Titan.
Furthermore, the fact Huygen's carrier signal was readily detected by radio telescopes on earth when the transmitter wasn't even designed for the task suggests that this is a non-issue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30504112</id>
	<title>Re:Titan Landing Probes</title>
	<author>Uruviel</author>
	<datestamp>1261327020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You have a sea full of methane. Why not take a methane fuel cell of some sorts with you and use the sea to fuel your communications apparatus. It's a long shot, sure, but it's the first time we don't actually need to worry about fuel in outer space.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You have a sea full of methane .
Why not take a methane fuel cell of some sorts with you and use the sea to fuel your communications apparatus .
It 's a long shot , sure , but it 's the first time we do n't actually need to worry about fuel in outer space .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have a sea full of methane.
Why not take a methane fuel cell of some sorts with you and use the sea to fuel your communications apparatus.
It's a long shot, sure, but it's the first time we don't actually need to worry about fuel in outer space.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501144</id>
	<title>Picture</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1261226340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wikipedia <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TiME\_(spacecraft)" title="wikipedia.org">has a picture</a> [wikipedia.org] showing the probe floating on Titan.</p><p>One question I can immediately see an answer to is whether the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced\_Stirling\_Radioisotope\_Generator" title="wikipedia.org">ASRG</a> [wikipedia.org] generates as much power in vacuum as it will on the surface of Titan. My assumption is that having a weaker heat sink will reduce power output but I can't confirm that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wikipedia has a picture [ wikipedia.org ] showing the probe floating on Titan.One question I can immediately see an answer to is whether the ASRG [ wikipedia.org ] generates as much power in vacuum as it will on the surface of Titan .
My assumption is that having a weaker heat sink will reduce power output but I ca n't confirm that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wikipedia has a picture [wikipedia.org] showing the probe floating on Titan.One question I can immediately see an answer to is whether the ASRG [wikipedia.org] generates as much power in vacuum as it will on the surface of Titan.
My assumption is that having a weaker heat sink will reduce power output but I can't confirm that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30502154</id>
	<title>Re:Sailing the myriad seas?</title>
	<author>SimonInOz</author>
	<datestamp>1261243560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Arhhh, me lad, I've sailed the seven seas, 'tis time for another.</p><p>Can ye be drinking the sea, I is asking meself?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Arhhh , me lad , I 've sailed the seven seas , 't is time for another.Can ye be drinking the sea , I is asking meself ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Arhhh, me lad, I've sailed the seven seas, 'tis time for another.Can ye be drinking the sea, I is asking meself?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501600</id>
	<title>Re:May I be the first to say:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261233060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You high, nigga.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You high , nigga .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You high, nigga.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30505784</id>
	<title>Re:Titan Landing Probes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261340160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Balloon antenna, class D transmitter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Balloon antenna , class D transmitter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Balloon antenna, class D transmitter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501718</id>
	<title>Re:Sailing the myriad Centauri seas?</title>
	<author>macraig</author>
	<datestamp>1261234920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you still have an old Pentium III in the corner that you play that game on?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you still have an old Pentium III in the corner that you play that game on ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you still have an old Pentium III in the corner that you play that game on?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501366</id>
	<title>This is exactly what we should be doing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261229040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This idea is beyond awesome. Sending a "ship" to sail the seas of another world. And the price... $400 million... is uber-cheap in the world of space exploration.</p><p>Unless we can send a man to a near-Earth asteroid, this is the kind of exploration NASA should be doing... not manned attempts at Mars. Not yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This idea is beyond awesome .
Sending a " ship " to sail the seas of another world .
And the price... $ 400 million... is uber-cheap in the world of space exploration.Unless we can send a man to a near-Earth asteroid , this is the kind of exploration NASA should be doing... not manned attempts at Mars .
Not yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This idea is beyond awesome.
Sending a "ship" to sail the seas of another world.
And the price... $400 million... is uber-cheap in the world of space exploration.Unless we can send a man to a near-Earth asteroid, this is the kind of exploration NASA should be doing... not manned attempts at Mars.
Not yet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501228</id>
	<title>Re:Picture</title>
	<author>wizardforce</author>
	<datestamp>1261227180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>One question I can immediately see an answer to is whether the ASRG [wikipedia.org] generates as much power in vacuum as it will on the surface of Titan. My assumption is that having a weaker heat sink will reduce power output but I can't confirm that.</p></div></blockquote><p> On the contrary, a vacuum makes a very poor heat sink.  If anything, being immersed in an atmosphere that is as cold as Titan's may lower the effective Tc due to the higher thermal conductivity of the surrounding atmosphere.  The lower the Tc, the higher the Carnot efficiency although any effect either way probably won't amount to much in terms of an efficiency difference.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One question I can immediately see an answer to is whether the ASRG [ wikipedia.org ] generates as much power in vacuum as it will on the surface of Titan .
My assumption is that having a weaker heat sink will reduce power output but I ca n't confirm that .
On the contrary , a vacuum makes a very poor heat sink .
If anything , being immersed in an atmosphere that is as cold as Titan 's may lower the effective Tc due to the higher thermal conductivity of the surrounding atmosphere .
The lower the Tc , the higher the Carnot efficiency although any effect either way probably wo n't amount to much in terms of an efficiency difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One question I can immediately see an answer to is whether the ASRG [wikipedia.org] generates as much power in vacuum as it will on the surface of Titan.
My assumption is that having a weaker heat sink will reduce power output but I can't confirm that.
On the contrary, a vacuum makes a very poor heat sink.
If anything, being immersed in an atmosphere that is as cold as Titan's may lower the effective Tc due to the higher thermal conductivity of the surrounding atmosphere.
The lower the Tc, the higher the Carnot efficiency although any effect either way probably won't amount to much in terms of an efficiency difference.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501752</id>
	<title>Re:Low cost?</title>
	<author>c6gunner</author>
	<datestamp>1261235520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hrm, let's see<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... spend $400 million to explore grand new vistas and expand the sum total of human knowledge<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... or spend $400 million on a website.  I dunno, that's a tough one<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hrm , let 's see ... spend $ 400 million to explore grand new vistas and expand the sum total of human knowledge ... or spend $ 400 million on a website .
I dunno , that 's a tough one .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hrm, let's see ... spend $400 million to explore grand new vistas and expand the sum total of human knowledge ... or spend $400 million on a website.
I dunno, that's a tough one ...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501342</id>
	<title>Re:Sailing the myriad seas?</title>
	<author>msauve</author>
	<datestamp>1261228800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your point is correct. "The story of human exploration" and seafaring was purposed on finding the distant shore, and what was there. On Earth, other than finding new life forms, the surface of the sea is pretty uninteresting. For a space mission, you can go to that distant shore directly. Not much chance of finding life in a sea of methane (and if there were life, you'd expect it to be everywhere in that sea). <br> <br>Other than providing a gimmick to make this different than previous missions, what's the point? Land something in a sea of methane and look for what? Sail around to find more liquid methane?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your point is correct .
" The story of human exploration " and seafaring was purposed on finding the distant shore , and what was there .
On Earth , other than finding new life forms , the surface of the sea is pretty uninteresting .
For a space mission , you can go to that distant shore directly .
Not much chance of finding life in a sea of methane ( and if there were life , you 'd expect it to be everywhere in that sea ) .
Other than providing a gimmick to make this different than previous missions , what 's the point ?
Land something in a sea of methane and look for what ?
Sail around to find more liquid methane ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your point is correct.
"The story of human exploration" and seafaring was purposed on finding the distant shore, and what was there.
On Earth, other than finding new life forms, the surface of the sea is pretty uninteresting.
For a space mission, you can go to that distant shore directly.
Not much chance of finding life in a sea of methane (and if there were life, you'd expect it to be everywhere in that sea).
Other than providing a gimmick to make this different than previous missions, what's the point?
Land something in a sea of methane and look for what?
Sail around to find more liquid methane?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501332</id>
	<title>hydrocarbons</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261228740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where did this methane come from?  The common wisdom is that terrestrial hydrocarbons come from old dead stuff.  Maybe not?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where did this methane come from ?
The common wisdom is that terrestrial hydrocarbons come from old dead stuff .
Maybe not ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where did this methane come from?
The common wisdom is that terrestrial hydrocarbons come from old dead stuff.
Maybe not?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30502230</id>
	<title>Re:Picture</title>
	<author>jisou</author>
	<datestamp>1261245120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>my question is do you honestly need a heat sink? i mean the moon is at least negative 162 C (260 F). not to  mention a dense atmosphere is much denser hence it can conduct heat better.</htmltext>
<tokenext>my question is do you honestly need a heat sink ?
i mean the moon is at least negative 162 C ( 260 F ) .
not to mention a dense atmosphere is much denser hence it can conduct heat better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>my question is do you honestly need a heat sink?
i mean the moon is at least negative 162 C (260 F).
not to  mention a dense atmosphere is much denser hence it can conduct heat better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30502258</id>
	<title>Re:Europa or bust -- Titan sucks..</title>
	<author>True Grit</author>
	<datestamp>1261245600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Europa quite possibly has the best odds of actually having something worth the funding of mission</p></div><p>A mission to Europa is being planned too (see the post upstream of us about how they plan to test the Europa probe here on Earth by using an Antarctic under-the-ice lake).</p><p>The only difference is that this one to Titan is actually easier/cheaper to do, which is why it may happen first, but eventually Europa will be seeing a probe from us as well (pending approval from 'Dave', of course).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Europa quite possibly has the best odds of actually having something worth the funding of missionA mission to Europa is being planned too ( see the post upstream of us about how they plan to test the Europa probe here on Earth by using an Antarctic under-the-ice lake ) .The only difference is that this one to Titan is actually easier/cheaper to do , which is why it may happen first , but eventually Europa will be seeing a probe from us as well ( pending approval from 'Dave ' , of course ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Europa quite possibly has the best odds of actually having something worth the funding of missionA mission to Europa is being planned too (see the post upstream of us about how they plan to test the Europa probe here on Earth by using an Antarctic under-the-ice lake).The only difference is that this one to Titan is actually easier/cheaper to do, which is why it may happen first, but eventually Europa will be seeing a probe from us as well (pending approval from 'Dave', of course).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501212</id>
	<title>Re:Odds of finding alien life?</title>
	<author>93 Escort Wagon</author>
	<datestamp>1261227060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>At least it could find a few sirens.</p></div><p>My money's on Shrieking Eels.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>At least it could find a few sirens.My money 's on Shrieking Eels .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least it could find a few sirens.My money's on Shrieking Eels.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501528</id>
	<title>And Maryann's shorts</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1261231680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Skipper, I thought you said this was only a <b>three hour tour</b>."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Skipper , I thought you said this was only a three hour tour .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Skipper, I thought you said this was only a three hour tour.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30502360</id>
	<title>Re:Are any non-profits doing anything like this?</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1261248060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student\_Space\_Exploration\_&amp;\_Technology\_Initiative" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student\_Space\_Exploration\_&amp;\_Technology\_Initiative</a> [wikipedia.org] might be closest to what you want, they are building lunar orbiter, to be launched in 2012 (and they already have some major successes <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSETI\_Express\_Satellite" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSETI\_Express\_Satellite</a> [wikipedia.org] ); though I don't know if there's a way to donate, or if they even need it.</p><p>Or pick one of the teams from Google Lunar X PRIZE; not only you should find some with great chance of success, but also accepting donations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student \ _Space \ _Exploration \ _&amp; \ _Technology \ _Initiative [ wikipedia.org ] might be closest to what you want , they are building lunar orbiter , to be launched in 2012 ( and they already have some major successes http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSETI \ _Express \ _Satellite [ wikipedia.org ] ) ; though I do n't know if there 's a way to donate , or if they even need it.Or pick one of the teams from Google Lunar X PRIZE ; not only you should find some with great chance of success , but also accepting donations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student\_Space\_Exploration\_&amp;\_Technology\_Initiative [wikipedia.org] might be closest to what you want, they are building lunar orbiter, to be launched in 2012 (and they already have some major successes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSETI\_Express\_Satellite [wikipedia.org] ); though I don't know if there's a way to donate, or if they even need it.Or pick one of the teams from Google Lunar X PRIZE; not only you should find some with great chance of success, but also accepting donations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501136</id>
	<title>Titan Landing Probes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261226220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Interestingly enough, the Cassini Orbiter's landing probe, the Huygens, which landed on Titan a few years back, was designed with floatation devices, just in case it hit liquid instead land (ultimately it hit land). An interesting fact about Titan: the high density of the atmosphere, combined with a much lower gravitational force than that of earth results in very soft probe landings. In fact, it is hypothesized that on Titan, a human could strap fake wings on his arms and fly -- now if only we breathed methane and could survive at temperatures colder than -200F...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Interestingly enough , the Cassini Orbiter 's landing probe , the Huygens , which landed on Titan a few years back , was designed with floatation devices , just in case it hit liquid instead land ( ultimately it hit land ) .
An interesting fact about Titan : the high density of the atmosphere , combined with a much lower gravitational force than that of earth results in very soft probe landings .
In fact , it is hypothesized that on Titan , a human could strap fake wings on his arms and fly -- now if only we breathed methane and could survive at temperatures colder than -200F.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interestingly enough, the Cassini Orbiter's landing probe, the Huygens, which landed on Titan a few years back, was designed with floatation devices, just in case it hit liquid instead land (ultimately it hit land).
An interesting fact about Titan: the high density of the atmosphere, combined with a much lower gravitational force than that of earth results in very soft probe landings.
In fact, it is hypothesized that on Titan, a human could strap fake wings on his arms and fly -- now if only we breathed methane and could survive at temperatures colder than -200F...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501364</id>
	<title>Re:Can't wait to fund this.</title>
	<author>wizardforce</author>
	<datestamp>1261228980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It never ceases to amaze me what we'll spend money on.</p></div></blockquote><p> It's certainly a better use for 400M than bailing out a bunch of banks...</p><blockquote><div><p>What exactly is the point of this $400M venture, other than it would be "really cool" to sail the seas of ass gas?</p></div></blockquote><p> Furthering human knowledge and exploration of our solar system.</p><blockquote><div><p>Oh, wait, I forgot. We have no debts on Earth to worry about right now, financial or otherwise for the human race. Nevermind. It's all good, obviously.</p></div></blockquote><p> Sitting here on Earth for perpetuity won't solve our problems.  Most of the problems we have here on Earth that are able to be addressed at all are largely the result of a poorly structured economic system in one form or another.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It never ceases to amaze me what we 'll spend money on .
It 's certainly a better use for 400M than bailing out a bunch of banks...What exactly is the point of this $ 400M venture , other than it would be " really cool " to sail the seas of ass gas ?
Furthering human knowledge and exploration of our solar system.Oh , wait , I forgot .
We have no debts on Earth to worry about right now , financial or otherwise for the human race .
Nevermind. It 's all good , obviously .
Sitting here on Earth for perpetuity wo n't solve our problems .
Most of the problems we have here on Earth that are able to be addressed at all are largely the result of a poorly structured economic system in one form or another .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It never ceases to amaze me what we'll spend money on.
It's certainly a better use for 400M than bailing out a bunch of banks...What exactly is the point of this $400M venture, other than it would be "really cool" to sail the seas of ass gas?
Furthering human knowledge and exploration of our solar system.Oh, wait, I forgot.
We have no debts on Earth to worry about right now, financial or otherwise for the human race.
Nevermind. It's all good, obviously.
Sitting here on Earth for perpetuity won't solve our problems.
Most of the problems we have here on Earth that are able to be addressed at all are largely the result of a poorly structured economic system in one form or another.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501350</id>
	<title>Set it on fire for SCIENCE.</title>
	<author>Phlogiston 4 Lyfe</author>
	<datestamp>1261228860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>At the end of its mission, the sea should be set aflame. For science!</htmltext>
<tokenext>At the end of its mission , the sea should be set aflame .
For science !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the end of its mission, the sea should be set aflame.
For science!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501226</id>
	<title>It'll SINK</title>
	<author>Whiteox</author>
	<datestamp>1261227180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Damn idiots! What do they expect?<br>'Landing' a probe on a sea of liquid hydrocarbons....<br>I hope it's got floaties on it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn idiots !
What do they expect ?
'Landing ' a probe on a sea of liquid hydrocarbons....I hope it 's got floaties on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn idiots!
What do they expect?
'Landing' a probe on a sea of liquid hydrocarbons....I hope it's got floaties on it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501518</id>
	<title>Re:Are any non-profits doing anything like this?</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1261231560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A better place to donate for space projects would be the Planetary Society's solar sail proof-of-concept project.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A better place to donate for space projects would be the Planetary Society 's solar sail proof-of-concept project .
   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>A better place to donate for space projects would be the Planetary Society's solar sail proof-of-concept project.
   </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501092</id>
	<title>Sailing the myriad seas?</title>
	<author>newcastlejon</author>
	<datestamp>1261225740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The story of human exploration on Earth has been one of navigation and seafaring, and the idea that we could explore for the first time an extraterrestrial sea I think would be mind-blowing for most people</p></div><p>Oh come on, everyone knows that once you invent satellites the whole map is revealed!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The story of human exploration on Earth has been one of navigation and seafaring , and the idea that we could explore for the first time an extraterrestrial sea I think would be mind-blowing for most peopleOh come on , everyone knows that once you invent satellites the whole map is revealed !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The story of human exploration on Earth has been one of navigation and seafaring, and the idea that we could explore for the first time an extraterrestrial sea I think would be mind-blowing for most peopleOh come on, everyone knows that once you invent satellites the whole map is revealed!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501642</id>
	<title>Re:Titan Landing Probes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261233540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah but that discussion talks about phased arrays and even if you need a steerable antenna I suppose thats a lot easier to do these days with microcontrollers and compact servos.</p><p><b>Indignant antenna designers are invited to contemplate ABM search radars...</b> </p><p>-<i>Arthur C Clarke</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah but that discussion talks about phased arrays and even if you need a steerable antenna I suppose thats a lot easier to do these days with microcontrollers and compact servos.Indignant antenna designers are invited to contemplate ABM search radars... -Arthur C Clarke</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah but that discussion talks about phased arrays and even if you need a steerable antenna I suppose thats a lot easier to do these days with microcontrollers and compact servos.Indignant antenna designers are invited to contemplate ABM search radars... -Arthur C Clarke</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501276</id>
	<title>Re:Low cost?</title>
	<author>wizardforce</author>
	<datestamp>1261227840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That "boat ride" is about<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.01\% of the federal budget or what we spent on Iraq in less than 10 hours.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That " boat ride " is about .01 \ % of the federal budget or what we spent on Iraq in less than 10 hours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That "boat ride" is about .01\% of the federal budget or what we spent on Iraq in less than 10 hours.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501582</id>
	<title>Europa or bust -- Titan sucks..</title>
	<author>tetrahedrassface</author>
	<datestamp>1261232760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>     Not trying to flame or troll, but these missions keep coming up. Even proposed and not funded like this one to Titan, take away from where we sorely need to explore. <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Europa-moon.jpg" title="wikimedia.org">Poor Europa languishes</a> [wikimedia.org]! Europa quite possibly has the best odds of actually having something worth the funding of mission; namely life. While I note the Planetary Society has pushed for a Europa mission for what seems like years now, the date of even some weird overly complex multi-national mission in 2020 is suspect.. Why on Earth is a mission to Europa not fast tracked? A craft much like Cassini/Huygens with some radar to actually see under the ice could have been designed, built and launched 10 or 15 years ago. Titan has already had a lander. Cassini is in orbit around Saturn, and while neat and cool, only Enceladus might have life, but the odds of life on Enceladus seem dimmer and more remote. Despite statements that are politically  motivated (read: funding) what is the fun factor of going to Titan when we have a fruit before us in Europa that desperately deserves to be explored? I don't know these answers but when you look at the frozen surface of Europa and notice the red striations that appear in cracks in the water ice it sure looks like iron or possibly sulphur, but  most likely something along the lines of halobacteria<a href="http://waynesword.palomar.edu/ploct97.htm#owens4.gif" title="palomar.edu"> just like this!

</a> [palomar.edu]<p>  Maybe our agencies don't want to find life yet, as some societal and religious aspects of there being life somewhere else would drive the religious folk crazy, or maybe they don't want to contaminate Europa. Whatever the reason they need to get off of their collective rear ends (asses) and do a mission there before even going back to Mars. I just get tired of the new bright and shiny and unpaid for missions, and some of the more dumb funded one that just go in circles snapping images of useless real estate, when Europa truly deserves, on all levels, a serious series of missions that bring light to what resides under the ice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not trying to flame or troll , but these missions keep coming up .
Even proposed and not funded like this one to Titan , take away from where we sorely need to explore .
Poor Europa languishes [ wikimedia.org ] !
Europa quite possibly has the best odds of actually having something worth the funding of mission ; namely life .
While I note the Planetary Society has pushed for a Europa mission for what seems like years now , the date of even some weird overly complex multi-national mission in 2020 is suspect.. Why on Earth is a mission to Europa not fast tracked ?
A craft much like Cassini/Huygens with some radar to actually see under the ice could have been designed , built and launched 10 or 15 years ago .
Titan has already had a lander .
Cassini is in orbit around Saturn , and while neat and cool , only Enceladus might have life , but the odds of life on Enceladus seem dimmer and more remote .
Despite statements that are politically motivated ( read : funding ) what is the fun factor of going to Titan when we have a fruit before us in Europa that desperately deserves to be explored ?
I do n't know these answers but when you look at the frozen surface of Europa and notice the red striations that appear in cracks in the water ice it sure looks like iron or possibly sulphur , but most likely something along the lines of halobacteria just like this !
[ palomar.edu ] Maybe our agencies do n't want to find life yet , as some societal and religious aspects of there being life somewhere else would drive the religious folk crazy , or maybe they do n't want to contaminate Europa .
Whatever the reason they need to get off of their collective rear ends ( asses ) and do a mission there before even going back to Mars .
I just get tired of the new bright and shiny and unpaid for missions , and some of the more dumb funded one that just go in circles snapping images of useless real estate , when Europa truly deserves , on all levels , a serious series of missions that bring light to what resides under the ice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>     Not trying to flame or troll, but these missions keep coming up.
Even proposed and not funded like this one to Titan, take away from where we sorely need to explore.
Poor Europa languishes [wikimedia.org]!
Europa quite possibly has the best odds of actually having something worth the funding of mission; namely life.
While I note the Planetary Society has pushed for a Europa mission for what seems like years now, the date of even some weird overly complex multi-national mission in 2020 is suspect.. Why on Earth is a mission to Europa not fast tracked?
A craft much like Cassini/Huygens with some radar to actually see under the ice could have been designed, built and launched 10 or 15 years ago.
Titan has already had a lander.
Cassini is in orbit around Saturn, and while neat and cool, only Enceladus might have life, but the odds of life on Enceladus seem dimmer and more remote.
Despite statements that are politically  motivated (read: funding) what is the fun factor of going to Titan when we have a fruit before us in Europa that desperately deserves to be explored?
I don't know these answers but when you look at the frozen surface of Europa and notice the red striations that appear in cracks in the water ice it sure looks like iron or possibly sulphur, but  most likely something along the lines of halobacteria just like this!
[palomar.edu]  Maybe our agencies don't want to find life yet, as some societal and religious aspects of there being life somewhere else would drive the religious folk crazy, or maybe they don't want to contaminate Europa.
Whatever the reason they need to get off of their collective rear ends (asses) and do a mission there before even going back to Mars.
I just get tired of the new bright and shiny and unpaid for missions, and some of the more dumb funded one that just go in circles snapping images of useless real estate, when Europa truly deserves, on all levels, a serious series of missions that bring light to what resides under the ice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30502314</id>
	<title>Re:Europa or bust -- Titan sucks..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261247220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT EUROPA. ATTEMPT NO LANDINGS THERE.</p><p>(maybe Clarke &amp; Kubrick had it right... or maybe they scared off the scientists... or maybe I'm just trying to convince the filter that's I'm not yelling)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT EUROPA .
ATTEMPT NO LANDINGS THERE .
( maybe Clarke &amp; Kubrick had it right... or maybe they scared off the scientists... or maybe I 'm just trying to convince the filter that 's I 'm not yelling )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT EUROPA.
ATTEMPT NO LANDINGS THERE.
(maybe Clarke &amp; Kubrick had it right... or maybe they scared off the scientists... or maybe I'm just trying to convince the filter that's I'm not yelling)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501494</id>
	<title>Re:Are any non-profits doing anything like this?</title>
	<author>Dragonslicer</author>
	<datestamp>1261231260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I would seriously be interested in donating maybe a hundred dollars toward something like this, and I can't be the only one.</p></div><p>Find just 3,999,999 more, and you'll have enough for this mission.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would seriously be interested in donating maybe a hundred dollars toward something like this , and I ca n't be the only one.Find just 3,999,999 more , and you 'll have enough for this mission .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would seriously be interested in donating maybe a hundred dollars toward something like this, and I can't be the only one.Find just 3,999,999 more, and you'll have enough for this mission.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501694</id>
	<title>Re:Titan Landing Probes</title>
	<author>Cyberax</author>
	<datestamp>1261234380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As usual - beam data to a satellite and then send to Earth,</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As usual - beam data to a satellite and then send to Earth,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As usual - beam data to a satellite and then send to Earth,</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30503484</id>
	<title>Re:Europa or bust -- Titan sucks..</title>
	<author>Trapezium Artist</author>
	<datestamp>1261319520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Err, that is exactly where the Europa Jupiter System Mission (EJSM) currently under study by ESA and NASA is suppose to go, as the name suggests.

</p><p>
Yes, it's more expensive than TiME and will, in principle, take longer to develop, because it's bigger and more ambitious than TiME, but it's much further along in terms of studying its technical feasibility, and so (IMHO) has a better chance of happening before TiME does. Plus, NASA is not exactly swilling in cash at the moment and if EJSM is chosen for implementation, it'd be a struggle to do TiME as well.

</p><p>
More details at: <br>
<a href="http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=42291" title="esa.int">http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=42291</a> [esa.int] <br>
<a href="http://opfm.jpl.nasa.gov/europajupitersystemmissionejsm/" title="nasa.gov">http://opfm.jpl.nasa.gov/europajupitersystemmissionejsm/</a> [nasa.gov] <br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa\_Jupiter\_System\_Mission" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa\_Jupiter\_System\_Mission</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>
TiME does sound like a very exciting concept, but I too am worried about how they intend to get data back to Earth without an orbiter relay: the numbers don't immediately stack up for an omnidirectional broadcaster from the surface of Titan, as the power available is essentially the same as Huygens had (just much longer-lived) and there's no way we can count on Cassini to be working by then to act as a relay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Err , that is exactly where the Europa Jupiter System Mission ( EJSM ) currently under study by ESA and NASA is suppose to go , as the name suggests .
Yes , it 's more expensive than TiME and will , in principle , take longer to develop , because it 's bigger and more ambitious than TiME , but it 's much further along in terms of studying its technical feasibility , and so ( IMHO ) has a better chance of happening before TiME does .
Plus , NASA is not exactly swilling in cash at the moment and if EJSM is chosen for implementation , it 'd be a struggle to do TiME as well .
More details at : http : //sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm ? fobjectid = 42291 [ esa.int ] http : //opfm.jpl.nasa.gov/europajupitersystemmissionejsm/ [ nasa.gov ] http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa \ _Jupiter \ _System \ _Mission [ wikipedia.org ] TiME does sound like a very exciting concept , but I too am worried about how they intend to get data back to Earth without an orbiter relay : the numbers do n't immediately stack up for an omnidirectional broadcaster from the surface of Titan , as the power available is essentially the same as Huygens had ( just much longer-lived ) and there 's no way we can count on Cassini to be working by then to act as a relay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Err, that is exactly where the Europa Jupiter System Mission (EJSM) currently under study by ESA and NASA is suppose to go, as the name suggests.
Yes, it's more expensive than TiME and will, in principle, take longer to develop, because it's bigger and more ambitious than TiME, but it's much further along in terms of studying its technical feasibility, and so (IMHO) has a better chance of happening before TiME does.
Plus, NASA is not exactly swilling in cash at the moment and if EJSM is chosen for implementation, it'd be a struggle to do TiME as well.
More details at: 
http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=42291 [esa.int] 
http://opfm.jpl.nasa.gov/europajupitersystemmissionejsm/ [nasa.gov] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa\_Jupiter\_System\_Mission [wikipedia.org]
TiME does sound like a very exciting concept, but I too am worried about how they intend to get data back to Earth without an orbiter relay: the numbers don't immediately stack up for an omnidirectional broadcaster from the surface of Titan, as the power available is essentially the same as Huygens had (just much longer-lived) and there's no way we can count on Cassini to be working by then to act as a relay.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501572</id>
	<title>Screw your satellites</title>
	<author>Yvan256</author>
	<datestamp>1261232400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>blacksheepwall</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>blacksheepwall</tokentext>
<sentencetext>blacksheepwall</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501134</id>
	<title>Are any non-profits doing anything like this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261226220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would seriously be interested in donating maybe a hundred dollars toward something like this, and I can't be the only one. Are there any non-profit organizations that fund similar missions?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would seriously be interested in donating maybe a hundred dollars toward something like this , and I ca n't be the only one .
Are there any non-profit organizations that fund similar missions ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would seriously be interested in donating maybe a hundred dollars toward something like this, and I can't be the only one.
Are there any non-profit organizations that fund similar missions?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501302</id>
	<title>Re:Picture</title>
	<author>Brett Buck</author>
	<datestamp>1261228260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The heatsink might be smaller but being immersed in liquid methane, or in a thick very cold atmosphere, ought to make it work like gangbusters - much better than in air on Earth at 70 deg. The real issue will be keeping it from freezing but the delta-T should be incredible.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Brett</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The heatsink might be smaller but being immersed in liquid methane , or in a thick very cold atmosphere , ought to make it work like gangbusters - much better than in air on Earth at 70 deg .
The real issue will be keeping it from freezing but the delta-T should be incredible .
          Brett</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The heatsink might be smaller but being immersed in liquid methane, or in a thick very cold atmosphere, ought to make it work like gangbusters - much better than in air on Earth at 70 deg.
The real issue will be keeping it from freezing but the delta-T should be incredible.
          Brett</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501552</id>
	<title>Amazon?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261232160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Link to a filehost or torrent instead of Amazon, and then we'll care.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Link to a filehost or torrent instead of Amazon , and then we 'll care .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Link to a filehost or torrent instead of Amazon, and then we'll care.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501488</id>
	<title>Re:Titan Landing Probes</title>
	<author>deglr6328</author>
	<datestamp>1261231200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's missing from this discussion, and so far as I can see from any proposal site discussions on this mission, is how to get the data back from the probe! If this is going to be a lander without an orbiter, you have a SERIOUS problem of how to get data back to earth. We talked about this very topic <a href="http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=136186&amp;cid=11374555" title="slashdot.org">5 years ago here</a> [slashdot.org] after Huygens landed. People are going to want high-res images, audio and at least some video in addition to all the other basic science data from this mission. That is a HUGE amount of information to get back to earth from a billion miles out, while floating on a lake of CH4 under a thick atmosphere. The Huygens probe had 2 redundant, 8 watt, medium gain (partially directional) on board radio transmitters that sent all the data from the probe through the Cassini orbiter relay system. It took VLBI aperture synthesis, simultaneously using ~20 of some of the largest radio telescopes around the world JUST TO HEAR THE CARRIER SIGNAL of Huygens as it descended on Titan. We couldn't get any actual data directly from Huygens, we couldn't hear modulation of the signal clearly from that far away.</p><p>Huygens had a power budget from its NaS batteries of ~250W, you're not going to do much better than that with a sterling radioisotope generator for this proposed mission. So you have maybe 20W of radio power to use on this mission in order to get all your data back from Titan, you NEED to use a directional (high gain) antenna to do that. How the hell do you accurately and consistently point a high gain antenna directly at earth when rotating and bobbing around wildly while floating over the waves of a Titanian lake?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's missing from this discussion , and so far as I can see from any proposal site discussions on this mission , is how to get the data back from the probe !
If this is going to be a lander without an orbiter , you have a SERIOUS problem of how to get data back to earth .
We talked about this very topic 5 years ago here [ slashdot.org ] after Huygens landed .
People are going to want high-res images , audio and at least some video in addition to all the other basic science data from this mission .
That is a HUGE amount of information to get back to earth from a billion miles out , while floating on a lake of CH4 under a thick atmosphere .
The Huygens probe had 2 redundant , 8 watt , medium gain ( partially directional ) on board radio transmitters that sent all the data from the probe through the Cassini orbiter relay system .
It took VLBI aperture synthesis , simultaneously using ~ 20 of some of the largest radio telescopes around the world JUST TO HEAR THE CARRIER SIGNAL of Huygens as it descended on Titan .
We could n't get any actual data directly from Huygens , we could n't hear modulation of the signal clearly from that far away.Huygens had a power budget from its NaS batteries of ~ 250W , you 're not going to do much better than that with a sterling radioisotope generator for this proposed mission .
So you have maybe 20W of radio power to use on this mission in order to get all your data back from Titan , you NEED to use a directional ( high gain ) antenna to do that .
How the hell do you accurately and consistently point a high gain antenna directly at earth when rotating and bobbing around wildly while floating over the waves of a Titanian lake ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's missing from this discussion, and so far as I can see from any proposal site discussions on this mission, is how to get the data back from the probe!
If this is going to be a lander without an orbiter, you have a SERIOUS problem of how to get data back to earth.
We talked about this very topic 5 years ago here [slashdot.org] after Huygens landed.
People are going to want high-res images, audio and at least some video in addition to all the other basic science data from this mission.
That is a HUGE amount of information to get back to earth from a billion miles out, while floating on a lake of CH4 under a thick atmosphere.
The Huygens probe had 2 redundant, 8 watt, medium gain (partially directional) on board radio transmitters that sent all the data from the probe through the Cassini orbiter relay system.
It took VLBI aperture synthesis, simultaneously using ~20 of some of the largest radio telescopes around the world JUST TO HEAR THE CARRIER SIGNAL of Huygens as it descended on Titan.
We couldn't get any actual data directly from Huygens, we couldn't hear modulation of the signal clearly from that far away.Huygens had a power budget from its NaS batteries of ~250W, you're not going to do much better than that with a sterling radioisotope generator for this proposed mission.
So you have maybe 20W of radio power to use on this mission in order to get all your data back from Titan, you NEED to use a directional (high gain) antenna to do that.
How the hell do you accurately and consistently point a high gain antenna directly at earth when rotating and bobbing around wildly while floating over the waves of a Titanian lake?
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501108</id>
	<title>Odds of finding alien life?</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1261225860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>At least it could find a few sirens.</htmltext>
<tokenext>At least it could find a few sirens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least it could find a few sirens.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30502008</id>
	<title>Re:Sailing the myriad seas?</title>
	<author>aldo.gs</author>
	<datestamp>1261240560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Apollo Program used to reveal cities back in the day<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Apollo Program used to reveal cities back in the day : P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Apollo Program used to reveal cities back in the day :P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30502908</id>
	<title>Re:Sailing the myriad seas?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261304580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unless of course it hits a methane-berg and sinks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless of course it hits a methane-berg and sinks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless of course it hits a methane-berg and sinks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30511360</id>
	<title>Re:This is exactly what we should be doing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261406760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really like the single man, one way mission to Mars as proposed and rejected by NASA (thinking in error that the PR would be negative). It's the best way to start building a colony, and there are unlimited volunteers for the proposal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really like the single man , one way mission to Mars as proposed and rejected by NASA ( thinking in error that the PR would be negative ) .
It 's the best way to start building a colony , and there are unlimited volunteers for the proposal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really like the single man, one way mission to Mars as proposed and rejected by NASA (thinking in error that the PR would be negative).
It's the best way to start building a colony, and there are unlimited volunteers for the proposal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501278</id>
	<title>Re:Low cost?</title>
	<author>TheKidWho</author>
	<datestamp>1261227840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you kidding? Resources will always be scarce as long as we use only the resources on the Earth.</p><p>Besides that, someone has to do the work, and work isn't free or cheap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you kidding ?
Resources will always be scarce as long as we use only the resources on the Earth.Besides that , someone has to do the work , and work is n't free or cheap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you kidding?
Resources will always be scarce as long as we use only the resources on the Earth.Besides that, someone has to do the work, and work isn't free or cheap.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501370</id>
	<title>Re:Low cost?</title>
	<author>QuoteMstr</author>
	<datestamp>1261229040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Post-scarcity society? Not in our wildest dreams. Even Stephenson's <i>Diamond Age</i> was set in a society with scarcity, albeit one of a different variety, and we're not anywhere close to even that level of technology.</p><p>Do you mean a society that doesn't include economic growth? That defies human nature, and would require a society so oppressive that Stalin would look like a hippie.</p><p>As for as NASA: sure, it produces pretty pictures and produces technological spin-offs, but it also maintains our prestige in the world by employing top scientists to do top research. It continues a 400 year old tradition of discovery, and ennobles the human spirit. It's wonderful.</p><p>I am tired of people complaining about NASA's budget. It's really a bargain. A penny out of every dollar you pay in taxes goes toward it. If you've printed out a gorgeous photograph for your well, or read an article and said "hrm, that's interesting", or eaten freeze-dried food, you've more than gotten your money's worth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Post-scarcity society ?
Not in our wildest dreams .
Even Stephenson 's Diamond Age was set in a society with scarcity , albeit one of a different variety , and we 're not anywhere close to even that level of technology.Do you mean a society that does n't include economic growth ?
That defies human nature , and would require a society so oppressive that Stalin would look like a hippie.As for as NASA : sure , it produces pretty pictures and produces technological spin-offs , but it also maintains our prestige in the world by employing top scientists to do top research .
It continues a 400 year old tradition of discovery , and ennobles the human spirit .
It 's wonderful.I am tired of people complaining about NASA 's budget .
It 's really a bargain .
A penny out of every dollar you pay in taxes goes toward it .
If you 've printed out a gorgeous photograph for your well , or read an article and said " hrm , that 's interesting " , or eaten freeze-dried food , you 've more than gotten your money 's worth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Post-scarcity society?
Not in our wildest dreams.
Even Stephenson's Diamond Age was set in a society with scarcity, albeit one of a different variety, and we're not anywhere close to even that level of technology.Do you mean a society that doesn't include economic growth?
That defies human nature, and would require a society so oppressive that Stalin would look like a hippie.As for as NASA: sure, it produces pretty pictures and produces technological spin-offs, but it also maintains our prestige in the world by employing top scientists to do top research.
It continues a 400 year old tradition of discovery, and ennobles the human spirit.
It's wonderful.I am tired of people complaining about NASA's budget.
It's really a bargain.
A penny out of every dollar you pay in taxes goes toward it.
If you've printed out a gorgeous photograph for your well, or read an article and said "hrm, that's interesting", or eaten freeze-dried food, you've more than gotten your money's worth.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501482</id>
	<title>Re:Titan Landing Probes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261230900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>In fact, it is hypothesized that on Titan, a human could strap fake wings on his arms and fly</p></div> </blockquote><p>No, honey, I haven't gone cookoo; I'm practicing for emergency landings on the Titan mission.<br>
&nbsp;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In fact , it is hypothesized that on Titan , a human could strap fake wings on his arms and fly No , honey , I have n't gone cookoo ; I 'm practicing for emergency landings on the Titan mission .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>In fact, it is hypothesized that on Titan, a human could strap fake wings on his arms and fly No, honey, I haven't gone cookoo; I'm practicing for emergency landings on the Titan mission.
 
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501160</id>
	<title>Low cost?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261226520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For US$400 million, people could create a Wikipedia of open technology and help the human race transition to a post-scarcity society. Instead we get a boat ride? (Not to say it is not a cool idea.)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://www.kurtz-fernhout.com/oscomak/index.htm" title="kurtz-fernhout.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.kurtz-fernhout.com/oscomak/index.htm</a> [kurtz-fernhout.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For US $ 400 million , people could create a Wikipedia of open technology and help the human race transition to a post-scarcity society .
Instead we get a boat ride ?
( Not to say it is not a cool idea .
)     http : //www.kurtz-fernhout.com/oscomak/index.htm [ kurtz-fernhout.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For US$400 million, people could create a Wikipedia of open technology and help the human race transition to a post-scarcity society.
Instead we get a boat ride?
(Not to say it is not a cool idea.
)
    http://www.kurtz-fernhout.com/oscomak/index.htm [kurtz-fernhout.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30503062</id>
	<title>Re:Titan Landing Probes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261308840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Leave something in orbit to relay.</p><p>Or use the RTG to charge something up, then discharge that power quickly to transmit a burst.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Leave something in orbit to relay.Or use the RTG to charge something up , then discharge that power quickly to transmit a burst .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Leave something in orbit to relay.Or use the RTG to charge something up, then discharge that power quickly to transmit a burst.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501566</id>
	<title>Re:Sailing the myriad seas?</title>
	<author>FiloEleven</author>
	<datestamp>1261232400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are a number of good reasons for doing this.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The primary objective of the mission would be to determine the precise chemistry of one of these lakes; but also to do meteorology, to help scientists better understand how the "methane-ologic cycle" on Titan actually works.</p><p>It would give scientists the opportunity to study shared climate processes at work under very different conditions.</p><p>"If we have models that will work on Earth and on Titan then we can be much more confident that those models understand the fundamentals of what's going on," explained the researcher from the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory.</p><p>"The photogenic appeal and the mystique of exploring a sea on another world speak for themselves, but there is a genuine practical application to do with the science that will help us address problems here on Earth."</p></div><p>Plus it's already been under study for two years, and it would test a "novel power system," the Advanced Stirling Radioisotope Generator.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>ASRGs would give TiME sufficient energy to support a very capable instrument suite and a direct-to-Earth communications system to get its data home.</p></div><p>Not to mention that Titan looks like one of the best nearby candidates for life, specifically in its seas and not on its surface.  Landing on Titan's shores is apt to be far less interesting than in its seas.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are a number of good reasons for doing this.The primary objective of the mission would be to determine the precise chemistry of one of these lakes ; but also to do meteorology , to help scientists better understand how the " methane-ologic cycle " on Titan actually works.It would give scientists the opportunity to study shared climate processes at work under very different conditions .
" If we have models that will work on Earth and on Titan then we can be much more confident that those models understand the fundamentals of what 's going on , " explained the researcher from the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory .
" The photogenic appeal and the mystique of exploring a sea on another world speak for themselves , but there is a genuine practical application to do with the science that will help us address problems here on Earth .
" Plus it 's already been under study for two years , and it would test a " novel power system , " the Advanced Stirling Radioisotope Generator.ASRGs would give TiME sufficient energy to support a very capable instrument suite and a direct-to-Earth communications system to get its data home.Not to mention that Titan looks like one of the best nearby candidates for life , specifically in its seas and not on its surface .
Landing on Titan 's shores is apt to be far less interesting than in its seas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are a number of good reasons for doing this.The primary objective of the mission would be to determine the precise chemistry of one of these lakes; but also to do meteorology, to help scientists better understand how the "methane-ologic cycle" on Titan actually works.It would give scientists the opportunity to study shared climate processes at work under very different conditions.
"If we have models that will work on Earth and on Titan then we can be much more confident that those models understand the fundamentals of what's going on," explained the researcher from the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory.
"The photogenic appeal and the mystique of exploring a sea on another world speak for themselves, but there is a genuine practical application to do with the science that will help us address problems here on Earth.
"Plus it's already been under study for two years, and it would test a "novel power system," the Advanced Stirling Radioisotope Generator.ASRGs would give TiME sufficient energy to support a very capable instrument suite and a direct-to-Earth communications system to get its data home.Not to mention that Titan looks like one of the best nearby candidates for life, specifically in its seas and not on its surface.
Landing on Titan's shores is apt to be far less interesting than in its seas.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501766</id>
	<title>Re:Sailing the myriad seas?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261235580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If we knew what we'd find, there would be little point in going. And why are you so sure that we shouldn't find life in a sea of methane? Sure, nothing evolved on earth would survive there, but that's the point - it wouldn't be life evolved on earth. Maybe the ammonia seas of other moons are better candidates what with amonia sharing some of the "unique" properties of water (like floating ice) but I'm not as certain as you about where life can and can't evolve, given time and space.<br>
<br>
And then of course there's the whole "exploring for the sake of exploring" thing. To get any real data we need to land something on Titan, and the most obviously interesting places are the methane lakes. You could land on a shore but with the dense atmosphere there's probably going to be waves and it's easier to just go ahead and build a boat then to build a crawler that can also tolerate being under water.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If we knew what we 'd find , there would be little point in going .
And why are you so sure that we should n't find life in a sea of methane ?
Sure , nothing evolved on earth would survive there , but that 's the point - it would n't be life evolved on earth .
Maybe the ammonia seas of other moons are better candidates what with amonia sharing some of the " unique " properties of water ( like floating ice ) but I 'm not as certain as you about where life can and ca n't evolve , given time and space .
And then of course there 's the whole " exploring for the sake of exploring " thing .
To get any real data we need to land something on Titan , and the most obviously interesting places are the methane lakes .
You could land on a shore but with the dense atmosphere there 's probably going to be waves and it 's easier to just go ahead and build a boat then to build a crawler that can also tolerate being under water .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we knew what we'd find, there would be little point in going.
And why are you so sure that we shouldn't find life in a sea of methane?
Sure, nothing evolved on earth would survive there, but that's the point - it wouldn't be life evolved on earth.
Maybe the ammonia seas of other moons are better candidates what with amonia sharing some of the "unique" properties of water (like floating ice) but I'm not as certain as you about where life can and can't evolve, given time and space.
And then of course there's the whole "exploring for the sake of exploring" thing.
To get any real data we need to land something on Titan, and the most obviously interesting places are the methane lakes.
You could land on a shore but with the dense atmosphere there's probably going to be waves and it's easier to just go ahead and build a boat then to build a crawler that can also tolerate being under water.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30516348</id>
	<title>Re:Sailing the myriad seas?</title>
	<author>GargamelSpaceman</author>
	<datestamp>1261387560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder if it would see anything worth while once its cameras are coated with tarry goo.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if it would see anything worth while once its cameras are coated with tarry goo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if it would see anything worth while once its cameras are coated with tarry goo.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501734</id>
	<title>Re:Titan Landing Probes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261235160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll bet no one now reading this remembers the James Blish story 'How Beautiful With Banners'.</p><p>That is all...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll bet no one now reading this remembers the James Blish story 'How Beautiful With Banners'.That is all.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll bet no one now reading this remembers the James Blish story 'How Beautiful With Banners'.That is all...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30502356</id>
	<title>Titan is within budget, Europa probe fizz out</title>
	<author>Yergle143</author>
	<datestamp>1261248060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the quick answer is that Europa is not as simple as it sounds. A lander has to bring fuel to slow down on Europa, not so<br>Titan which has a handy handy thick atmosphere with which to slow the descent. Even if you landed on Europa you then<br>have to start scraping at the ice to get at those red stripes (they're rust -- sorry). The Titanian-space boat proposed will<br>be equipped with a mass spec and I guarantee, there are probably a whole lot of interesting organic molecules swimming<br>in that methane solvent. I rate Europa high but we need something big, nuclear powered, and coupled with a means to either drill<br>or melt its way down.</p><p>Plus Jupiter's radiation is a b----!</p><p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/03/010329075139.htm" title="sciencedaily.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/03/010329075139.htm</a> [sciencedaily.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the quick answer is that Europa is not as simple as it sounds .
A lander has to bring fuel to slow down on Europa , not soTitan which has a handy handy thick atmosphere with which to slow the descent .
Even if you landed on Europa you thenhave to start scraping at the ice to get at those red stripes ( they 're rust -- sorry ) .
The Titanian-space boat proposed willbe equipped with a mass spec and I guarantee , there are probably a whole lot of interesting organic molecules swimmingin that methane solvent .
I rate Europa high but we need something big , nuclear powered , and coupled with a means to either drillor melt its way down.Plus Jupiter 's radiation is a b---- ! http : //www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/03/010329075139.htm [ sciencedaily.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the quick answer is that Europa is not as simple as it sounds.
A lander has to bring fuel to slow down on Europa, not soTitan which has a handy handy thick atmosphere with which to slow the descent.
Even if you landed on Europa you thenhave to start scraping at the ice to get at those red stripes (they're rust -- sorry).
The Titanian-space boat proposed willbe equipped with a mass spec and I guarantee, there are probably a whole lot of interesting organic molecules swimmingin that methane solvent.
I rate Europa high but we need something big, nuclear powered, and coupled with a means to either drillor melt its way down.Plus Jupiter's radiation is a b----!http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/03/010329075139.htm [sciencedaily.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30502026</id>
	<title>Re:Sailing the myriad seas?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261240920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Sail around to find more liquid methane?</p><p>Sail around and observe thousands of miles of shoreline. Study the atmosphere and seabottom at widely separated points.  This ship will travel farther in a day than a Mars rover can in a month.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Sail around to find more liquid methane ? Sail around and observe thousands of miles of shoreline .
Study the atmosphere and seabottom at widely separated points .
This ship will travel farther in a day than a Mars rover can in a month .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Sail around to find more liquid methane?Sail around and observe thousands of miles of shoreline.
Study the atmosphere and seabottom at widely separated points.
This ship will travel farther in a day than a Mars rover can in a month.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30507500</id>
	<title>Re:Low cost?</title>
	<author>randyleepublic</author>
	<datestamp>1261311660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>wizardforce, your sig is more profound than I think you may realize.  Please have a look at the link in my sig.  Douglas analyzed all of that and designed a clean-sheet system to solve all of our economic (and many of our social) problems!</htmltext>
<tokenext>wizardforce , your sig is more profound than I think you may realize .
Please have a look at the link in my sig .
Douglas analyzed all of that and designed a clean-sheet system to solve all of our economic ( and many of our social ) problems !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wizardforce, your sig is more profound than I think you may realize.
Please have a look at the link in my sig.
Douglas analyzed all of that and designed a clean-sheet system to solve all of our economic (and many of our social) problems!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501276</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501522</id>
	<title>May I be the first to say:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261231620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fuck the moon! Fuck mars*! THIS is the stuff! Yeah!</p><p>To me that would be the coolest mission, since the moon landing. The only other thing I can think of, that comes close, are the satellites that are already leaving the solar system.</p><p>(* To those with emotional deficiencies *nudge* *nudge*: Of course I don&rsquo;t mean that we should completely ignore mars, or even the moon. It&rsquo;s just that it&rsquo;s silly to focus on a moon landing, when on the other hand, you got stuff like this! The stuff that is every scientist&rsquo;s and every layman&rsquo;s wet dream of exploration. The feeling of being on a place, that others can&rsquo;t even imagine!! And the science that would come out of it, would just be crazy!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fuck the moon !
Fuck mars * !
THIS is the stuff !
Yeah ! To me that would be the coolest mission , since the moon landing .
The only other thing I can think of , that comes close , are the satellites that are already leaving the solar system .
( * To those with emotional deficiencies * nudge * * nudge * : Of course I don    t mean that we should completely ignore mars , or even the moon .
It    s just that it    s silly to focus on a moon landing , when on the other hand , you got stuff like this !
The stuff that is every scientist    s and every layman    s wet dream of exploration .
The feeling of being on a place , that others can    t even imagine ! !
And the science that would come out of it , would just be crazy !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fuck the moon!
Fuck mars*!
THIS is the stuff!
Yeah!To me that would be the coolest mission, since the moon landing.
The only other thing I can think of, that comes close, are the satellites that are already leaving the solar system.
(* To those with emotional deficiencies *nudge* *nudge*: Of course I don’t mean that we should completely ignore mars, or even the moon.
It’s just that it’s silly to focus on a moon landing, when on the other hand, you got stuff like this!
The stuff that is every scientist’s and every layman’s wet dream of exploration.
The feeling of being on a place, that others can’t even imagine!!
And the science that would come out of it, would just be crazy!
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501312</id>
	<title>Re:Titan Landing Probes</title>
	<author>slashchuck</author>
	<datestamp>1261228320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Read <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Quiet-War-Paul-McAuley-GollanczF/dp/0575079339" title="amazon.com" rel="nofollow">"The Quiet War" by Paul McAuley</a> [amazon.com]
Fascinating SF novel of humanity on Titan and other moons of Saturn.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Read " The Quiet War " by Paul McAuley [ amazon.com ] Fascinating SF novel of humanity on Titan and other moons of Saturn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Read "The Quiet War" by Paul McAuley [amazon.com]
Fascinating SF novel of humanity on Titan and other moons of Saturn.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501136</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30502374</id>
	<title>Re:Can't wait to fund this.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261248720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If we can be the first ones out there, we can be the first ones to claim and profit off of the resources.</p><p>Let's see how them Chinese feel when they have to come to Uncle Sam for their Dark Matter to power their Junk Spaceships.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If we can be the first ones out there , we can be the first ones to claim and profit off of the resources.Let 's see how them Chinese feel when they have to come to Uncle Sam for their Dark Matter to power their Junk Spaceships .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we can be the first ones out there, we can be the first ones to claim and profit off of the resources.Let's see how them Chinese feel when they have to come to Uncle Sam for their Dark Matter to power their Junk Spaceships.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501294</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501294</id>
	<title>Can't wait to fund this.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261228080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It never ceases to amaze me what we'll spend money on.  What exactly is the point of this $400M venture, other than it would be "really cool" to sail the seas of ass gas?</p><p>What...the...fuck, already.</p><p>Oh, wait, I forgot.  We have no debts on Earth to worry about right now, financial or otherwise for the human race.  Nevermind.  It's all good, obviously.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It never ceases to amaze me what we 'll spend money on .
What exactly is the point of this $ 400M venture , other than it would be " really cool " to sail the seas of ass gas ? What...the...fuck , already.Oh , wait , I forgot .
We have no debts on Earth to worry about right now , financial or otherwise for the human race .
Nevermind. It 's all good , obviously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It never ceases to amaze me what we'll spend money on.
What exactly is the point of this $400M venture, other than it would be "really cool" to sail the seas of ass gas?What...the...fuck, already.Oh, wait, I forgot.
We have no debts on Earth to worry about right now, financial or otherwise for the human race.
Nevermind.  It's all good, obviously.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501172</id>
	<title>heheheh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261226640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>anyone else think of sailing the sausage seas?</htmltext>
<tokenext>anyone else think of sailing the sausage seas ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>anyone else think of sailing the sausage seas?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501764</id>
	<title>Re:Sailing the myriad seas?</title>
	<author>thrawn\_aj</author>
	<datestamp>1261235580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Other than providing a gimmick to make this different than previous missions, what's the point? Land something in a sea of methane and look for what? Sail around to find more liquid methane?</p></div><p>You're probably right. Aw hell, scratch the 'probably'. Speaking purely personally though, this is the first time in the past 10 years I've actually felt a stirring in my heart about space exploration. This Titan thing actually brought back some of the magic of space that used to come through so vividly in the science fiction of the 80s (before the post-modernist hacks stank up the place). Huh, let's just say that as a taxpayer, I wouldn't be in the least upset if this mission actually happened. In fact, I'd be out there cheering it on all the way. Go figure<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:). Guess science is far from unemotional eh?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Other than providing a gimmick to make this different than previous missions , what 's the point ?
Land something in a sea of methane and look for what ?
Sail around to find more liquid methane ? You 're probably right .
Aw hell , scratch the 'probably' .
Speaking purely personally though , this is the first time in the past 10 years I 've actually felt a stirring in my heart about space exploration .
This Titan thing actually brought back some of the magic of space that used to come through so vividly in the science fiction of the 80s ( before the post-modernist hacks stank up the place ) .
Huh , let 's just say that as a taxpayer , I would n't be in the least upset if this mission actually happened .
In fact , I 'd be out there cheering it on all the way .
Go figure : ) .
Guess science is far from unemotional eh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Other than providing a gimmick to make this different than previous missions, what's the point?
Land something in a sea of methane and look for what?
Sail around to find more liquid methane?You're probably right.
Aw hell, scratch the 'probably'.
Speaking purely personally though, this is the first time in the past 10 years I've actually felt a stirring in my heart about space exploration.
This Titan thing actually brought back some of the magic of space that used to come through so vividly in the science fiction of the 80s (before the post-modernist hacks stank up the place).
Huh, let's just say that as a taxpayer, I wouldn't be in the least upset if this mission actually happened.
In fact, I'd be out there cheering it on all the way.
Go figure :).
Guess science is far from unemotional eh?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30502084</id>
	<title>Re:Sailing the myriad seas?</title>
	<author>Nadaka</author>
	<datestamp>1261242060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Navigating by sea is easy and cheap. By targeting the sea, you may be able to visit and study its entire shoreline. If you landed on the shore instead, you are limited to that area you land in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Navigating by sea is easy and cheap .
By targeting the sea , you may be able to visit and study its entire shoreline .
If you landed on the shore instead , you are limited to that area you land in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Navigating by sea is easy and cheap.
By targeting the sea, you may be able to visit and study its entire shoreline.
If you landed on the shore instead, you are limited to that area you land in.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501544</id>
	<title>Re:Sailing the myriad seas?</title>
	<author>SleepingWaterBear</author>
	<datestamp>1261232040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, conditions on the earth vary dramatically with location, even ignoring biological and biogenic variation.  It seems to me that a vessel capable of performing tests over a wider area can't help but provide better data.  One of the big downsides of the Mars rovers is that they're restricted to such a small portion of the planet's surface, especially since for the Titan mission this can apparently be achieved on a low budget.  I mean, what reason do we have to think that the chemical composition of the ocean and atmosphere don't vary with location?  What about things like currents, and winds?  Maybe we'll find something that's entirely unexpected!</p><p>Maybe Star Wars was right and planets other than earth are all 'desert' planets or 'ice' planets with uniform conditions all around, but if not, this seems worthwhile!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , conditions on the earth vary dramatically with location , even ignoring biological and biogenic variation .
It seems to me that a vessel capable of performing tests over a wider area ca n't help but provide better data .
One of the big downsides of the Mars rovers is that they 're restricted to such a small portion of the planet 's surface , especially since for the Titan mission this can apparently be achieved on a low budget .
I mean , what reason do we have to think that the chemical composition of the ocean and atmosphere do n't vary with location ?
What about things like currents , and winds ?
Maybe we 'll find something that 's entirely unexpected ! Maybe Star Wars was right and planets other than earth are all 'desert ' planets or 'ice ' planets with uniform conditions all around , but if not , this seems worthwhile !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, conditions on the earth vary dramatically with location, even ignoring biological and biogenic variation.
It seems to me that a vessel capable of performing tests over a wider area can't help but provide better data.
One of the big downsides of the Mars rovers is that they're restricted to such a small portion of the planet's surface, especially since for the Titan mission this can apparently be achieved on a low budget.
I mean, what reason do we have to think that the chemical composition of the ocean and atmosphere don't vary with location?
What about things like currents, and winds?
Maybe we'll find something that's entirely unexpected!Maybe Star Wars was right and planets other than earth are all 'desert' planets or 'ice' planets with uniform conditions all around, but if not, this seems worthwhile!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501342</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_19_1913218.30501260</id>
	<title>I'm glad they admitted their motivations</title>
	<author>RepelHistory</author>
	<datestamp>1261227660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>'It is something that would really capture the imagination,' said Dr Ellen Stofan, from Proxemy Research, who leads the study team. 'The story of human exploration on Earth has been one of navigation and seafaring, and the idea that we could explore for the first time an extraterrestrial sea I think would be mind-blowing for most people,'</p></div></blockquote><p>Sometimes the point of science need be be nothing more than to capture our imaginations and/or blow our minds.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>'It is something that would really capture the imagination, ' said Dr Ellen Stofan , from Proxemy Research , who leads the study team .
'The story of human exploration on Earth has been one of navigation and seafaring , and the idea that we could explore for the first time an extraterrestrial sea I think would be mind-blowing for most people,'Sometimes the point of science need be be nothing more than to capture our imaginations and/or blow our minds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'It is something that would really capture the imagination,' said Dr Ellen Stofan, from Proxemy Research, who leads the study team.
'The story of human exploration on Earth has been one of navigation and seafaring, and the idea that we could explore for the first time an extraterrestrial sea I think would be mind-blowing for most people,'Sometimes the point of science need be be nothing more than to capture our imaginations and/or blow our minds.
	</sentencetext>
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