<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_18_2033222</id>
	<title>First Look At Latest Ion-Infused Asus Eee PC</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1261132260000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://hothardware.com/" rel="nofollow">MojoKid</a> writes <i>"Atom-based netbooks have come a long way since they were <a href="http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/08/06/03/1210214/Intels-Atom-mdash-First-Benchmarks-and-a-Full-PC-Review">first introduced</a>. 7 and 8-inch netbooks are no longer the norm, and availability of 12-inch netbooks is on the rise. The newest member of the Asus Eee PC lineup is the <a href="http://hothardware.com/Articles/Asus-IonPowered-Eee-PC-1201N-Review/">Eee PC 1201N</a>, and it really stands out in the crowd of netbook in terms of specifications. The machine features a 12.1" HD display, new dual-core Atom 330 CPU, 2GB of DDR2 RAM, Windows 7 Home Premium, an HDMI output and NVIDIA's Ion chipset with integrated GPU.  HotHardware was able to demo the system's ability to handle more advanced benchmarks, thanks in part to the Ion GPU.  It's also the first netbook they tested that could actually play older 3D titles respectably. You won't get <em>Crysis</em> running but lighter duty titles can be played back nicely if you tone the details down and lower the resolution. The 1201N also played back 720p and 1080p content without stuttering, and the dual-core CPU allowed enough headroom to multitask while videos were playing."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>MojoKid writes " Atom-based netbooks have come a long way since they were first introduced .
7 and 8-inch netbooks are no longer the norm , and availability of 12-inch netbooks is on the rise .
The newest member of the Asus Eee PC lineup is the Eee PC 1201N , and it really stands out in the crowd of netbook in terms of specifications .
The machine features a 12.1 " HD display , new dual-core Atom 330 CPU , 2GB of DDR2 RAM , Windows 7 Home Premium , an HDMI output and NVIDIA 's Ion chipset with integrated GPU .
HotHardware was able to demo the system 's ability to handle more advanced benchmarks , thanks in part to the Ion GPU .
It 's also the first netbook they tested that could actually play older 3D titles respectably .
You wo n't get Crysis running but lighter duty titles can be played back nicely if you tone the details down and lower the resolution .
The 1201N also played back 720p and 1080p content without stuttering , and the dual-core CPU allowed enough headroom to multitask while videos were playing .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MojoKid writes "Atom-based netbooks have come a long way since they were first introduced.
7 and 8-inch netbooks are no longer the norm, and availability of 12-inch netbooks is on the rise.
The newest member of the Asus Eee PC lineup is the Eee PC 1201N, and it really stands out in the crowd of netbook in terms of specifications.
The machine features a 12.1" HD display, new dual-core Atom 330 CPU, 2GB of DDR2 RAM, Windows 7 Home Premium, an HDMI output and NVIDIA's Ion chipset with integrated GPU.
HotHardware was able to demo the system's ability to handle more advanced benchmarks, thanks in part to the Ion GPU.
It's also the first netbook they tested that could actually play older 3D titles respectably.
You won't get Crysis running but lighter duty titles can be played back nicely if you tone the details down and lower the resolution.
The 1201N also played back 720p and 1080p content without stuttering, and the dual-core CPU allowed enough headroom to multitask while videos were playing.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494696</id>
	<title>"netbook"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261138620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a 12,1 computer, bought it two years ago, it's notthing new, it's not a netbook it's a LAPTOP.<br>
<br>
I thought the whole point of the "netbook" fad was portability... I guess now everyone's so hooked on the new name they don't give a shit anymore. If it quacks like a duck it's a duck not a fucking goose.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a 12,1 computer , bought it two years ago , it 's notthing new , it 's not a netbook it 's a LAPTOP .
I thought the whole point of the " netbook " fad was portability... I guess now everyone 's so hooked on the new name they do n't give a shit anymore .
If it quacks like a duck it 's a duck not a fucking goose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a 12,1 computer, bought it two years ago, it's notthing new, it's not a netbook it's a LAPTOP.
I thought the whole point of the "netbook" fad was portability... I guess now everyone's so hooked on the new name they don't give a shit anymore.
If it quacks like a duck it's a duck not a fucking goose.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494762</id>
	<title>You say potato, i say...</title>
	<author>Registered Coward v2</author>
	<datestamp>1261139040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>So netbooks are essentially moving into the low end notebook space and pushing out the cheap notebooks while leaving the small netbook space empty...</htmltext>
<tokenext>So netbooks are essentially moving into the low end notebook space and pushing out the cheap notebooks while leaving the small netbook space empty.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So netbooks are essentially moving into the low end notebook space and pushing out the cheap notebooks while leaving the small netbook space empty...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30496494</id>
	<title>Atom 330</title>
	<author>Danzigism</author>
	<datestamp>1261157160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I love the Atom 330 processor. If you want a cheap media center PC, go Mini-ITX, unless of course you want mega HD/blu-ray/confounded new age this and that. About 6 months ago I bought one of those Intel D945GCLF2 boards with the Atom 330 practically soldered on to the board. Couldn't be happier at the $84 price tag on Newegg. Yea its not a blazing fast machine, and yea its only got s-video, but it works great on my old CRT television with a stunning resolution of 640x480. Full screen movies, streaming video from websites, and just about anything else works fantastically. It's a fun DOSbox computer as well. Nothing like playing Oregon Trail, Concentration, Commander Keen, and BioMenace on my 32" Trinitron. Between the case, RAM and motherboard, I spent about $150 or so. Other components were laying around the house. Great bargain and highly recommended. Would love to see the 330 on a netbook.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I love the Atom 330 processor .
If you want a cheap media center PC , go Mini-ITX , unless of course you want mega HD/blu-ray/confounded new age this and that .
About 6 months ago I bought one of those Intel D945GCLF2 boards with the Atom 330 practically soldered on to the board .
Could n't be happier at the $ 84 price tag on Newegg .
Yea its not a blazing fast machine , and yea its only got s-video , but it works great on my old CRT television with a stunning resolution of 640x480 .
Full screen movies , streaming video from websites , and just about anything else works fantastically .
It 's a fun DOSbox computer as well .
Nothing like playing Oregon Trail , Concentration , Commander Keen , and BioMenace on my 32 " Trinitron .
Between the case , RAM and motherboard , I spent about $ 150 or so .
Other components were laying around the house .
Great bargain and highly recommended .
Would love to see the 330 on a netbook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love the Atom 330 processor.
If you want a cheap media center PC, go Mini-ITX, unless of course you want mega HD/blu-ray/confounded new age this and that.
About 6 months ago I bought one of those Intel D945GCLF2 boards with the Atom 330 practically soldered on to the board.
Couldn't be happier at the $84 price tag on Newegg.
Yea its not a blazing fast machine, and yea its only got s-video, but it works great on my old CRT television with a stunning resolution of 640x480.
Full screen movies, streaming video from websites, and just about anything else works fantastically.
It's a fun DOSbox computer as well.
Nothing like playing Oregon Trail, Concentration, Commander Keen, and BioMenace on my 32" Trinitron.
Between the case, RAM and motherboard, I spent about $150 or so.
Other components were laying around the house.
Great bargain and highly recommended.
Would love to see the 330 on a netbook.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30495402</id>
	<title>Loading software?</title>
	<author>BourneTolouse</author>
	<datestamp>1261144380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a laptop and I've only used my optical drive to load software. How do people normally get around that with netbooks that come without optical drives?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a laptop and I 've only used my optical drive to load software .
How do people normally get around that with netbooks that come without optical drives ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a laptop and I've only used my optical drive to load software.
How do people normally get around that with netbooks that come without optical drives?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494552</id>
	<title>Ion Infused</title>
	<author>BluePeppers</author>
	<datestamp>1261137720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is up with the names?! Ion infused?? Definition of Infused: An infusion is the outcome of steeping plants with a desired flavour in water or oil. Defenition of an Ion: An ion is an atom or molecule where the total number of electrons is not equal to the total number of protons. Right...</p><p>So, saying they get their ions from a sensible source, such as salt, and use a plant with salt on it, such as seaweed, then what we actually have is a laptop that has been dipped in seaweed oil? No wonder people don't trust major companies any more... all this sounds very fishy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is up with the names ? !
Ion infused ? ?
Definition of Infused : An infusion is the outcome of steeping plants with a desired flavour in water or oil .
Defenition of an Ion : An ion is an atom or molecule where the total number of electrons is not equal to the total number of protons .
Right...So , saying they get their ions from a sensible source , such as salt , and use a plant with salt on it , such as seaweed , then what we actually have is a laptop that has been dipped in seaweed oil ?
No wonder people do n't trust major companies any more... all this sounds very fishy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is up with the names?!
Ion infused??
Definition of Infused: An infusion is the outcome of steeping plants with a desired flavour in water or oil.
Defenition of an Ion: An ion is an atom or molecule where the total number of electrons is not equal to the total number of protons.
Right...So, saying they get their ions from a sensible source, such as salt, and use a plant with salt on it, such as seaweed, then what we actually have is a laptop that has been dipped in seaweed oil?
No wonder people don't trust major companies any more... all this sounds very fishy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30498486</id>
	<title>Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten.</title>
	<author>vegiVamp</author>
	<datestamp>1261238460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Strictly speaking, you're right of course, but the general understanding is that a netbook should be a laptop that's very lightweight and small compared to what is a 'standard' laptop. This feature creep means that that gap is slowly closing, which kind of defeats the point of selling the things as a 'netbook'.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Strictly speaking , you 're right of course , but the general understanding is that a netbook should be a laptop that 's very lightweight and small compared to what is a 'standard ' laptop .
This feature creep means that that gap is slowly closing , which kind of defeats the point of selling the things as a 'netbook' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Strictly speaking, you're right of course, but the general understanding is that a netbook should be a laptop that's very lightweight and small compared to what is a 'standard' laptop.
This feature creep means that that gap is slowly closing, which kind of defeats the point of selling the things as a 'netbook'.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30495352</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30495304</id>
	<title>Long live the 8.9 inch netbook...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261143300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm glad I got my EEE PP 900 ha before the 8.9 inch models were killed off.</p><p>My person rule is "if it gets bigger than 10 inches, it aint a netbook and I might as well spring for a full featured/powered notebook."</p><p>I'm also glad I skipped the rehash that is Windows 7. "Now you can squander 10+ gigs of your small hard drive for this bloated new OS that features DirectX 10, even though you can't use DX10."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm glad I got my EEE PP 900 ha before the 8.9 inch models were killed off.My person rule is " if it gets bigger than 10 inches , it aint a netbook and I might as well spring for a full featured/powered notebook .
" I 'm also glad I skipped the rehash that is Windows 7 .
" Now you can squander 10 + gigs of your small hard drive for this bloated new OS that features DirectX 10 , even though you ca n't use DX10 .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm glad I got my EEE PP 900 ha before the 8.9 inch models were killed off.My person rule is "if it gets bigger than 10 inches, it aint a netbook and I might as well spring for a full featured/powered notebook.
"I'm also glad I skipped the rehash that is Windows 7.
"Now you can squander 10+ gigs of your small hard drive for this bloated new OS that features DirectX 10, even though you can't use DX10.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494574</id>
	<title>Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten.</title>
	<author>Darkness404</author>
	<datestamp>1261137900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds like you want an Aspire Revo. ( see <a href="http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Acer+-+AspireRevo+Nettop+with+Intel\%26\%23174\%3B+Atom\%26\%23153\%3B+Processor/9535434.p?id=1218120545008&amp;skuId=9535434" title="bestbuy.com">http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Acer+-+AspireRevo+Nettop+with+Intel\%26\%23174\%3B+Atom\%26\%23153\%3B+Processor/9535434.p?id=1218120545008&amp;skuId=9535434</a> [bestbuy.com] ) costs $200, ION graphics, 1 gig of RAM, HDMI support, and a 160 gig HDD. I also think its got an E-SATA port on the front of it which is a nice addition. According to reviews its easy to crack open and upgrade the RAM. While the Atom CPU might be on a bit of the sluggish side, I think this might be what you are looking for if you don't want a laptop.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like you want an Aspire Revo .
( see http : //www.bestbuy.com/site/Acer + - + AspireRevo + Nettop + with + Intel \ % 26 \ % 23174 \ % 3B + Atom \ % 26 \ % 23153 \ % 3B + Processor/9535434.p ? id = 1218120545008&amp;skuId = 9535434 [ bestbuy.com ] ) costs $ 200 , ION graphics , 1 gig of RAM , HDMI support , and a 160 gig HDD .
I also think its got an E-SATA port on the front of it which is a nice addition .
According to reviews its easy to crack open and upgrade the RAM .
While the Atom CPU might be on a bit of the sluggish side , I think this might be what you are looking for if you do n't want a laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like you want an Aspire Revo.
( see http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Acer+-+AspireRevo+Nettop+with+Intel\%26\%23174\%3B+Atom\%26\%23153\%3B+Processor/9535434.p?id=1218120545008&amp;skuId=9535434 [bestbuy.com] ) costs $200, ION graphics, 1 gig of RAM, HDMI support, and a 160 gig HDD.
I also think its got an E-SATA port on the front of it which is a nice addition.
According to reviews its easy to crack open and upgrade the RAM.
While the Atom CPU might be on a bit of the sluggish side, I think this might be what you are looking for if you don't want a laptop.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494500</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30499146</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>owlstead</author>
	<datestamp>1261245360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem with the ION chipset imho is not its capabilities but the high power use on standby. The relatively high power use when playing back 1080p is OK with me - it's delivering a lot back to the user. High power use in 3D? No problem. High power use that sucks my battery dry when doing internet or word... No thanks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with the ION chipset imho is not its capabilities but the high power use on standby .
The relatively high power use when playing back 1080p is OK with me - it 's delivering a lot back to the user .
High power use in 3D ?
No problem .
High power use that sucks my battery dry when doing internet or word... No thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with the ION chipset imho is not its capabilities but the high power use on standby.
The relatively high power use when playing back 1080p is OK with me - it's delivering a lot back to the user.
High power use in 3D?
No problem.
High power use that sucks my battery dry when doing internet or word... No thanks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494934</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30495114</id>
	<title>Re:Linux/SSD version wanted</title>
	<author>ShawnDoc</author>
	<datestamp>1261141680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most customers want Windows.  If they want Linux they can install it themselves.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most customers want Windows .
If they want Linux they can install it themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most customers want Windows.
If they want Linux they can install it themselves.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494400</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30497616</id>
	<title>Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten.</title>
	<author>lena\_10326</author>
	<datestamp>1261222080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Beowulf. *cough*</htmltext>
<tokenext>Beowulf .
* cough *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Beowulf.
*cough*</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494574</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30509512</id>
	<title>Re:You say potato, i say...</title>
	<author>malv</author>
	<datestamp>1261336500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your typical low-end laptop does not get 8 hours+ of battery life. The defining characteristic of the netbook in the Atom chip which sacrifices performance for battery life and cost. Even your low-performing Atom chip can handle just about any typical home-user application you can throw it (apart from HD video decoding). IMHO, your typical laptop is overkill for your average home user on the go that simply needs to perform basic web-browsing tasks and watch the occasional video. The ION platform is more or less designed to fix the one deficiency with the netbook, video decoding.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your typical low-end laptop does not get 8 hours + of battery life .
The defining characteristic of the netbook in the Atom chip which sacrifices performance for battery life and cost .
Even your low-performing Atom chip can handle just about any typical home-user application you can throw it ( apart from HD video decoding ) .
IMHO , your typical laptop is overkill for your average home user on the go that simply needs to perform basic web-browsing tasks and watch the occasional video .
The ION platform is more or less designed to fix the one deficiency with the netbook , video decoding .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your typical low-end laptop does not get 8 hours+ of battery life.
The defining characteristic of the netbook in the Atom chip which sacrifices performance for battery life and cost.
Even your low-performing Atom chip can handle just about any typical home-user application you can throw it (apart from HD video decoding).
IMHO, your typical laptop is overkill for your average home user on the go that simply needs to perform basic web-browsing tasks and watch the occasional video.
The ION platform is more or less designed to fix the one deficiency with the netbook, video decoding.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494762</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30495242</id>
	<title>Re:netbook?</title>
	<author>rsborg</author>
	<datestamp>1261142760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>This netbook has the same screen size, ram, and CPU perforcement as my four year old laptop.
<br>
Has my old laptop become a netbook?</p></div></blockquote><p>
Not unless your old laptop was 12" got 5 hrs battery life and could do 1080p output with HDMI. <br>
I'll also bet your old laptop was about 2x the cost. <br>
Seriously, the CPU sounds very capable for what it's supposed to be doing (lightweight computing/media).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This netbook has the same screen size , ram , and CPU perforcement as my four year old laptop .
Has my old laptop become a netbook ?
Not unless your old laptop was 12 " got 5 hrs battery life and could do 1080p output with HDMI .
I 'll also bet your old laptop was about 2x the cost .
Seriously , the CPU sounds very capable for what it 's supposed to be doing ( lightweight computing/media ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This netbook has the same screen size, ram, and CPU perforcement as my four year old laptop.
Has my old laptop become a netbook?
Not unless your old laptop was 12" got 5 hrs battery life and could do 1080p output with HDMI.
I'll also bet your old laptop was about 2x the cost.
Seriously, the CPU sounds very capable for what it's supposed to be doing (lightweight computing/media).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494422</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30495714</id>
	<title>Re:My eeepc 701 is right here</title>
	<author>raddan</author>
	<datestamp>1261147680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seconded.  Bought mine secondhand from a coworker for $50.  I also run Ubuntu 9.10 (after attempting to run OpenBSD-- unfortunately, my EVDO modem just won't talk to the OS), and it's a real pleasure to use.  My only gripe is that sometimes modal application dialogs are bigger than the screen, so I can't hit certain buttons.  I would love to see something in this form factor that does the tablet/multitouch thing.
<br> <br>
I was quite surprised to discover that I could plug this into my parents' HDTV and play movies.  I didn't think the processor would be up to the task, but it turns out that it has no issues at all!  So now when I visit, I load up a thumb drive with MP4s.  This thing is also great for programming on public transportation-- doesn't get in anybody's way like the old Thinkpad (which is a "small" X41!) did.  I'm not bothered by the keyboard, but that does drive certain people crazy.  That's how I ended up getting one for $50.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seconded .
Bought mine secondhand from a coworker for $ 50 .
I also run Ubuntu 9.10 ( after attempting to run OpenBSD-- unfortunately , my EVDO modem just wo n't talk to the OS ) , and it 's a real pleasure to use .
My only gripe is that sometimes modal application dialogs are bigger than the screen , so I ca n't hit certain buttons .
I would love to see something in this form factor that does the tablet/multitouch thing .
I was quite surprised to discover that I could plug this into my parents ' HDTV and play movies .
I did n't think the processor would be up to the task , but it turns out that it has no issues at all !
So now when I visit , I load up a thumb drive with MP4s .
This thing is also great for programming on public transportation-- does n't get in anybody 's way like the old Thinkpad ( which is a " small " X41 !
) did .
I 'm not bothered by the keyboard , but that does drive certain people crazy .
That 's how I ended up getting one for $ 50 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seconded.
Bought mine secondhand from a coworker for $50.
I also run Ubuntu 9.10 (after attempting to run OpenBSD-- unfortunately, my EVDO modem just won't talk to the OS), and it's a real pleasure to use.
My only gripe is that sometimes modal application dialogs are bigger than the screen, so I can't hit certain buttons.
I would love to see something in this form factor that does the tablet/multitouch thing.
I was quite surprised to discover that I could plug this into my parents' HDTV and play movies.
I didn't think the processor would be up to the task, but it turns out that it has no issues at all!
So now when I visit, I load up a thumb drive with MP4s.
This thing is also great for programming on public transportation-- doesn't get in anybody's way like the old Thinkpad (which is a "small" X41!
) did.
I'm not bothered by the keyboard, but that does drive certain people crazy.
That's how I ended up getting one for $50.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494868</id>
	<title>Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten.</title>
	<author>DAE51D</author>
	<datestamp>1261139760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>agreed, these netbooks need to stay in the 9-11" range and stay under $300. otherwise, what's the point, I'd just buy a REAL notebook computer. Small. Light. something you toss in a backpack or keep in your car trunk. I don't want to worry about it. Also, why aren't we seeing USB 3.0 yet?

Bluetooth, WiFi 802.11n, &gt;0.3mp cameras, more than 3 measly USB ports, 2GB RAM, SDHC &amp; Memory Stick Pro slot (like Dell has), all mandatory. And I'm sick of the 600 resolution. 1024x768 should be minimum, but I'd like to see 1440x900 as the min.</htmltext>
<tokenext>agreed , these netbooks need to stay in the 9-11 " range and stay under $ 300 .
otherwise , what 's the point , I 'd just buy a REAL notebook computer .
Small. Light .
something you toss in a backpack or keep in your car trunk .
I do n't want to worry about it .
Also , why are n't we seeing USB 3.0 yet ?
Bluetooth , WiFi 802.11n , &gt; 0.3mp cameras , more than 3 measly USB ports , 2GB RAM , SDHC &amp; Memory Stick Pro slot ( like Dell has ) , all mandatory .
And I 'm sick of the 600 resolution .
1024x768 should be minimum , but I 'd like to see 1440x900 as the min .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>agreed, these netbooks need to stay in the 9-11" range and stay under $300.
otherwise, what's the point, I'd just buy a REAL notebook computer.
Small. Light.
something you toss in a backpack or keep in your car trunk.
I don't want to worry about it.
Also, why aren't we seeing USB 3.0 yet?
Bluetooth, WiFi 802.11n, &gt;0.3mp cameras, more than 3 measly USB ports, 2GB RAM, SDHC &amp; Memory Stick Pro slot (like Dell has), all mandatory.
And I'm sick of the 600 resolution.
1024x768 should be minimum, but I'd like to see 1440x900 as the min.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30499588</id>
	<title>Re:Linux/SSD version wanted</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1261248780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dropped my 701 in such a fashion that I basically threw it into a corner. Hey, I was on the move, and it's light. The plastic got a little loose, but it didn't even hiccough. Snapped the plastic back together, and I'm on down the road. Best $170 computer so far. Anyone tried one of these Smart Q<em>n</em> MID things? I want something in that form factor and they seem to come wicked cheap from fleabay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dropped my 701 in such a fashion that I basically threw it into a corner .
Hey , I was on the move , and it 's light .
The plastic got a little loose , but it did n't even hiccough .
Snapped the plastic back together , and I 'm on down the road .
Best $ 170 computer so far .
Anyone tried one of these Smart Qn MID things ?
I want something in that form factor and they seem to come wicked cheap from fleabay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dropped my 701 in such a fashion that I basically threw it into a corner.
Hey, I was on the move, and it's light.
The plastic got a little loose, but it didn't even hiccough.
Snapped the plastic back together, and I'm on down the road.
Best $170 computer so far.
Anyone tried one of these Smart Qn MID things?
I want something in that form factor and they seem to come wicked cheap from fleabay.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30506000</id>
	<title>Ballmer's Plan To Raise Netbook Prices</title>
	<author>uassholes</author>
	<datestamp>1261341660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><em>
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer told an audience of financial analysts that the company's attempts to cut prices of Windows to induce demand in emerging markets had failed over the previous year, and that the solution to the company's woes will be to increase the price of computers.
</em></p><p><em>
"The theory was wrong," Ballmer said, explaining that there wasn't enough new demand to make up for the drop in profits. "You'll see us address the theory. We're going to readjust those prices north [using Windows 7]."
</em></p><p><em>
Microsoft worked to eradicate Linux netbooks by pushing its PC partners to license Windows XP for next to nothing. This did nothing for Vista, but did result in the company being able to advertise that the new netbook category was still dominated by Windows. Moving forward, the capacity of netbooks to run Windows 7, which will not be offered for free, has been a major issue for Microsoft and its PC partners.
</em></p><p><em>
Reporting on the event, Peter Burrows of BusinessWeek wrote, "the company's goal is to raise PC prices in the next year. That's due both to expected popularity of a new class of higher-end and higher-priced netbooks, a new pricing strategy around Windows 7 that the company hopes will result in far more upgrades to premium SKUs, and a reversal of a strategy in the last year to cut prices to spur demand in emerging countries."
</em></p><p>(http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/07/31/microsoft\_plans\_to\_use\_windows\_7\_to\_raise\_netbook\_prices.html)

</p><p><em>
"I think many of you (Wall Street analysts) think we have problems we don't have in the Windows business," Ballmer said. "And I think we've got -- built some great strengths and, yet, I want people to understand kind of how revenue and kind of success in the marketplace, what does it look like if we're strong in the marketplace, what does revenue look like."
</em></p><p><em>
Ballmer, unlike some Microsoft execs, wasn't afraid to say the word "netbook." In fact, he told FAM attendees that netbooks are synonymous with MIDs (Mobile Internet Devices).
</em></p><p><em>

Ballmer disputed the notion that netbooks are killing Microsoft's Windows client revenue base.  He showed a slide he admitted the rest of his team had warned him was overly complex (and I have to say I agree) to try to show why netbooks aren't going to keep chipping away at Windows' margins.
</em></p><p><em>

Ballmer told analysts there would be a new class of "ultra-thin" PCs" -- or high-end netbooks -coming this year that would combine the light weight of netbooks with high-power and high-performance of traditional PCs.
</em></p><p><em>

"When I talk to many of our customers, they say 'I love the Netbook but can I get one with a bigger screen?'" Ballmer said.
</em></p><p><em>

Those new ultra-thin PCs, the first of which will be coming later this year and, presumably running Windows 7, won't be as cheap as $299 or $399 netbooks, Ballmer admitted, but they will combine netbooks' portability, with some unnamed but higher-sounding prices that will make shareholders, analysts and Microsoft happy. (We'll see how happy they make customers who are spoiled by current netbook prices.)
</em></p><p><em>

"Our license tells you what a Netbook is. Our license says it has to have a super small screen, which means it probably has a super small keyboard and it has to have a certain processor and blah, blah, blah, blah," Ballmer said.  But "we want people to be able to get the advantages of light-weight performance and be able to spend more money, with us, with Intel, with HP, with Dell and with many, many others.  So the shifting dynamics here will continue to evolve."
</em></p><p>(http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=3562)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer told an audience of financial analysts that the company 's attempts to cut prices of Windows to induce demand in emerging markets had failed over the previous year , and that the solution to the company 's woes will be to increase the price of computers .
" The theory was wrong , " Ballmer said , explaining that there was n't enough new demand to make up for the drop in profits .
" You 'll see us address the theory .
We 're going to readjust those prices north [ using Windows 7 ] .
" Microsoft worked to eradicate Linux netbooks by pushing its PC partners to license Windows XP for next to nothing .
This did nothing for Vista , but did result in the company being able to advertise that the new netbook category was still dominated by Windows .
Moving forward , the capacity of netbooks to run Windows 7 , which will not be offered for free , has been a major issue for Microsoft and its PC partners .
Reporting on the event , Peter Burrows of BusinessWeek wrote , " the company 's goal is to raise PC prices in the next year .
That 's due both to expected popularity of a new class of higher-end and higher-priced netbooks , a new pricing strategy around Windows 7 that the company hopes will result in far more upgrades to premium SKUs , and a reversal of a strategy in the last year to cut prices to spur demand in emerging countries .
" ( http : //www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/07/31/microsoft \ _plans \ _to \ _use \ _windows \ _7 \ _to \ _raise \ _netbook \ _prices.html ) " I think many of you ( Wall Street analysts ) think we have problems we do n't have in the Windows business , " Ballmer said .
" And I think we 've got -- built some great strengths and , yet , I want people to understand kind of how revenue and kind of success in the marketplace , what does it look like if we 're strong in the marketplace , what does revenue look like .
" Ballmer , unlike some Microsoft execs , was n't afraid to say the word " netbook .
" In fact , he told FAM attendees that netbooks are synonymous with MIDs ( Mobile Internet Devices ) .
Ballmer disputed the notion that netbooks are killing Microsoft 's Windows client revenue base .
He showed a slide he admitted the rest of his team had warned him was overly complex ( and I have to say I agree ) to try to show why netbooks are n't going to keep chipping away at Windows ' margins .
Ballmer told analysts there would be a new class of " ultra-thin " PCs " -- or high-end netbooks -coming this year that would combine the light weight of netbooks with high-power and high-performance of traditional PCs .
" When I talk to many of our customers , they say 'I love the Netbook but can I get one with a bigger screen ?
' " Ballmer said .
Those new ultra-thin PCs , the first of which will be coming later this year and , presumably running Windows 7 , wo n't be as cheap as $ 299 or $ 399 netbooks , Ballmer admitted , but they will combine netbooks ' portability , with some unnamed but higher-sounding prices that will make shareholders , analysts and Microsoft happy .
( We 'll see how happy they make customers who are spoiled by current netbook prices .
) " Our license tells you what a Netbook is .
Our license says it has to have a super small screen , which means it probably has a super small keyboard and it has to have a certain processor and blah , blah , blah , blah , " Ballmer said .
But " we want people to be able to get the advantages of light-weight performance and be able to spend more money , with us , with Intel , with HP , with Dell and with many , many others .
So the shifting dynamics here will continue to evolve .
" ( http : //blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/ ? p = 3562 )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer told an audience of financial analysts that the company's attempts to cut prices of Windows to induce demand in emerging markets had failed over the previous year, and that the solution to the company's woes will be to increase the price of computers.
"The theory was wrong," Ballmer said, explaining that there wasn't enough new demand to make up for the drop in profits.
"You'll see us address the theory.
We're going to readjust those prices north [using Windows 7].
"

Microsoft worked to eradicate Linux netbooks by pushing its PC partners to license Windows XP for next to nothing.
This did nothing for Vista, but did result in the company being able to advertise that the new netbook category was still dominated by Windows.
Moving forward, the capacity of netbooks to run Windows 7, which will not be offered for free, has been a major issue for Microsoft and its PC partners.
Reporting on the event, Peter Burrows of BusinessWeek wrote, "the company's goal is to raise PC prices in the next year.
That's due both to expected popularity of a new class of higher-end and higher-priced netbooks, a new pricing strategy around Windows 7 that the company hopes will result in far more upgrades to premium SKUs, and a reversal of a strategy in the last year to cut prices to spur demand in emerging countries.
"
(http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/07/31/microsoft\_plans\_to\_use\_windows\_7\_to\_raise\_netbook\_prices.html)


"I think many of you (Wall Street analysts) think we have problems we don't have in the Windows business," Ballmer said.
"And I think we've got -- built some great strengths and, yet, I want people to understand kind of how revenue and kind of success in the marketplace, what does it look like if we're strong in the marketplace, what does revenue look like.
"

Ballmer, unlike some Microsoft execs, wasn't afraid to say the word "netbook.
" In fact, he told FAM attendees that netbooks are synonymous with MIDs (Mobile Internet Devices).
Ballmer disputed the notion that netbooks are killing Microsoft's Windows client revenue base.
He showed a slide he admitted the rest of his team had warned him was overly complex (and I have to say I agree) to try to show why netbooks aren't going to keep chipping away at Windows' margins.
Ballmer told analysts there would be a new class of "ultra-thin" PCs" -- or high-end netbooks -coming this year that would combine the light weight of netbooks with high-power and high-performance of traditional PCs.
"When I talk to many of our customers, they say 'I love the Netbook but can I get one with a bigger screen?
'" Ballmer said.
Those new ultra-thin PCs, the first of which will be coming later this year and, presumably running Windows 7, won't be as cheap as $299 or $399 netbooks, Ballmer admitted, but they will combine netbooks' portability, with some unnamed but higher-sounding prices that will make shareholders, analysts and Microsoft happy.
(We'll see how happy they make customers who are spoiled by current netbook prices.
)


"Our license tells you what a Netbook is.
Our license says it has to have a super small screen, which means it probably has a super small keyboard and it has to have a certain processor and blah, blah, blah, blah," Ballmer said.
But "we want people to be able to get the advantages of light-weight performance and be able to spend more money, with us, with Intel, with HP, with Dell and with many, many others.
So the shifting dynamics here will continue to evolve.
"
(http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=3562)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494756</id>
	<title>Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten.</title>
	<author>morari</author>
	<datestamp>1261138980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I disagree. For my needs, 12" would be the sweet spot. It's big enough to actually use and feel viable without being full-size. I recall that the HP DV2 was a 12" laptop, and it felt awesome. It's just too bad it only had a single-core processor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I disagree .
For my needs , 12 " would be the sweet spot .
It 's big enough to actually use and feel viable without being full-size .
I recall that the HP DV2 was a 12 " laptop , and it felt awesome .
It 's just too bad it only had a single-core processor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I disagree.
For my needs, 12" would be the sweet spot.
It's big enough to actually use and feel viable without being full-size.
I recall that the HP DV2 was a 12" laptop, and it felt awesome.
It's just too bad it only had a single-core processor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30495484</id>
	<title>Re:Is $500 too high for a Netbook?</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1261145280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I disagree, I did not mind spending fifty bucks to buy an Asus DVD+-RW to go with my netbooks. I don't need to lug it when I don't need it. Currently it's hooked up to my desktop as a second drive, which has been very convenient. The external drive is barely bigger than an internal drive, it's mostly thicker, and entirely USB-powered.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I disagree , I did not mind spending fifty bucks to buy an Asus DVD + -RW to go with my netbooks .
I do n't need to lug it when I do n't need it .
Currently it 's hooked up to my desktop as a second drive , which has been very convenient .
The external drive is barely bigger than an internal drive , it 's mostly thicker , and entirely USB-powered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I disagree, I did not mind spending fifty bucks to buy an Asus DVD+-RW to go with my netbooks.
I don't need to lug it when I don't need it.
Currently it's hooked up to my desktop as a second drive, which has been very convenient.
The external drive is barely bigger than an internal drive, it's mostly thicker, and entirely USB-powered.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494634</id>
	<title>12" Are they serious?</title>
	<author>zoloto</author>
	<datestamp>1261138200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>12 inches is too big for a netbook. 10 inches is pushing it as it is. Why do they think they can slap the term "netbook" on anything small and under powered as far as the typical laptop goes? Does anyone remember the Toshiba Libretto? I still have mine and THAT is the ultimate \_netbook\_.  I thought PHYSICAL SIZE was what made a netbook a netbook!

12 inches is NOT a netbook.</htmltext>
<tokenext>12 inches is too big for a netbook .
10 inches is pushing it as it is .
Why do they think they can slap the term " netbook " on anything small and under powered as far as the typical laptop goes ?
Does anyone remember the Toshiba Libretto ?
I still have mine and THAT is the ultimate \ _netbook \ _ .
I thought PHYSICAL SIZE was what made a netbook a netbook !
12 inches is NOT a netbook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>12 inches is too big for a netbook.
10 inches is pushing it as it is.
Why do they think they can slap the term "netbook" on anything small and under powered as far as the typical laptop goes?
Does anyone remember the Toshiba Libretto?
I still have mine and THAT is the ultimate \_netbook\_.
I thought PHYSICAL SIZE was what made a netbook a netbook!
12 inches is NOT a netbook.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30499120</id>
	<title>Re:"netbook"</title>
	<author>owlstead</author>
	<datestamp>1261245120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Weight price and battery life. But as NetBooks and Laptops are a category there will always be in-betweens. Or are you the type that goes with "with us or against us?"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Weight price and battery life .
But as NetBooks and Laptops are a category there will always be in-betweens .
Or are you the type that goes with " with us or against us ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Weight price and battery life.
But as NetBooks and Laptops are a category there will always be in-betweens.
Or are you the type that goes with "with us or against us?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494670</id>
	<title>Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten.</title>
	<author>trb</author>
	<datestamp>1261138500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's like bragging about having the largest sub-compact car.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's like bragging about having the largest sub-compact car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's like bragging about having the largest sub-compact car.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494424</id>
	<title>ASUS Eee PC quality is better than ever</title>
	<author>NaijaGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1261137000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was impressed by the build quality of their new <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USxMNDkCHhM" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">T91MT touch-screen tablet</a> [youtube.com], and it was definitely an all-around improvement on the older version of that model (the T91, which came with Windows XP and didn't have multitouch).  I just wish they offered a handheld touch-screen computer in a screen size slightly larger than 8.9 inches.  If they could release this one with a touch screen that swiveled around to lay down flat on top of the keyboard, that'd be perfect!  We need such devices to deploy our software product on, and Gibabyte makes a 10-inch one, but even with the nearly full-sized keyboard, it was nowhere near as compelling a user experience as the ASUS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was impressed by the build quality of their new T91MT touch-screen tablet [ youtube.com ] , and it was definitely an all-around improvement on the older version of that model ( the T91 , which came with Windows XP and did n't have multitouch ) .
I just wish they offered a handheld touch-screen computer in a screen size slightly larger than 8.9 inches .
If they could release this one with a touch screen that swiveled around to lay down flat on top of the keyboard , that 'd be perfect !
We need such devices to deploy our software product on , and Gibabyte makes a 10-inch one , but even with the nearly full-sized keyboard , it was nowhere near as compelling a user experience as the ASUS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was impressed by the build quality of their new T91MT touch-screen tablet [youtube.com], and it was definitely an all-around improvement on the older version of that model (the T91, which came with Windows XP and didn't have multitouch).
I just wish they offered a handheld touch-screen computer in a screen size slightly larger than 8.9 inches.
If they could release this one with a touch screen that swiveled around to lay down flat on top of the keyboard, that'd be perfect!
We need such devices to deploy our software product on, and Gibabyte makes a 10-inch one, but even with the nearly full-sized keyboard, it was nowhere near as compelling a user experience as the ASUS.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30497822</id>
	<title>So its just another sub notebook</title>
	<author>Computershack</author>
	<datestamp>1261227120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not a netbook at all then but rather an overpriced, underpowered sub notebook. If you're going to get something that size, might as well go for a Lenovo Thinkpad x200s which at least will last longer than the warranty and IME, have a longer battery life whilst still giving you a Core 2 Duo CPU. Still, I'm sure the unwashed masses will buy them by the bucketload.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not a netbook at all then but rather an overpriced , underpowered sub notebook .
If you 're going to get something that size , might as well go for a Lenovo Thinkpad x200s which at least will last longer than the warranty and IME , have a longer battery life whilst still giving you a Core 2 Duo CPU .
Still , I 'm sure the unwashed masses will buy them by the bucketload .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not a netbook at all then but rather an overpriced, underpowered sub notebook.
If you're going to get something that size, might as well go for a Lenovo Thinkpad x200s which at least will last longer than the warranty and IME, have a longer battery life whilst still giving you a Core 2 Duo CPU.
Still, I'm sure the unwashed masses will buy them by the bucketload.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30495596</id>
	<title>Re:netbook?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261146480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>no you became a fag. now take my big black cock between your cheeks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>no you became a fag .
now take my big black cock between your cheeks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no you became a fag.
now take my big black cock between your cheeks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30498902</id>
	<title>That's not a netbook, this is a netbook</title>
	<author>benmhall</author>
	<datestamp>1261243200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As far as I'm concerned, this is the pinnacle of netbooks:</p><p><a href="http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku\_id=0665000FS10128254&amp;catid=27003&amp;logon=&amp;langid=EN&amp;dm=DEBUG" title="futureshop.ca">http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku\_id=0665000FS10128254&amp;catid=27003&amp;logon=&amp;langid=EN&amp;dm=DEBUG</a> [futureshop.ca]</p><p>Intel Atom, 9" 1024x600 matte screen, 2lbs, thin, runs Linux perfectly, decent battery life, perfect keyboard, $200.</p><p>That's a netbook.  12", dual-core, 3+lbs, $500 isn't a netbook, that's a decent 12" laptop without an optical drive.</p><p>The thing is, you can pick up much better used 12" 3+lb laptops for $500.  Heck, I'm typing this on an HP 2710p tablet I picked up on ebay.  It is a 12", dual-core, can take 8GB of RAM, and is a TABLET and it cost me as much as this Asus "netbook" after taxes.</p><p>The only reason you need dual-core ION and a big screen on a netbook is because Windows demands it.  My HP netbook (linked above) runs like a dog in Windows by the time you add virus scanners and all of the associated baggage.  However, Ubuntu 9.10 NBR runs brilliantly.  I upgraded the RAM to 2GB and put it back down to 1GB and haven't missed it.</p><p>Sadly, with the onslaught of Windows 7, it appears as though the nascent netbook market, which began with affordable computers running Linux on small SSDs, is in the process of dying.  Such is life.  Pick up your 2lb 9" Linux wonder while supplies last.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As far as I 'm concerned , this is the pinnacle of netbooks : http : //www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp ? sku \ _id = 0665000FS10128254&amp;catid = 27003&amp;logon = &amp;langid = EN&amp;dm = DEBUG [ futureshop.ca ] Intel Atom , 9 " 1024x600 matte screen , 2lbs , thin , runs Linux perfectly , decent battery life , perfect keyboard , $ 200.That 's a netbook .
12 " , dual-core , 3 + lbs , $ 500 is n't a netbook , that 's a decent 12 " laptop without an optical drive.The thing is , you can pick up much better used 12 " 3 + lb laptops for $ 500 .
Heck , I 'm typing this on an HP 2710p tablet I picked up on ebay .
It is a 12 " , dual-core , can take 8GB of RAM , and is a TABLET and it cost me as much as this Asus " netbook " after taxes.The only reason you need dual-core ION and a big screen on a netbook is because Windows demands it .
My HP netbook ( linked above ) runs like a dog in Windows by the time you add virus scanners and all of the associated baggage .
However , Ubuntu 9.10 NBR runs brilliantly .
I upgraded the RAM to 2GB and put it back down to 1GB and have n't missed it.Sadly , with the onslaught of Windows 7 , it appears as though the nascent netbook market , which began with affordable computers running Linux on small SSDs , is in the process of dying .
Such is life .
Pick up your 2lb 9 " Linux wonder while supplies last .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As far as I'm concerned, this is the pinnacle of netbooks:http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku\_id=0665000FS10128254&amp;catid=27003&amp;logon=&amp;langid=EN&amp;dm=DEBUG [futureshop.ca]Intel Atom, 9" 1024x600 matte screen, 2lbs, thin, runs Linux perfectly, decent battery life, perfect keyboard, $200.That's a netbook.
12", dual-core, 3+lbs, $500 isn't a netbook, that's a decent 12" laptop without an optical drive.The thing is, you can pick up much better used 12" 3+lb laptops for $500.
Heck, I'm typing this on an HP 2710p tablet I picked up on ebay.
It is a 12", dual-core, can take 8GB of RAM, and is a TABLET and it cost me as much as this Asus "netbook" after taxes.The only reason you need dual-core ION and a big screen on a netbook is because Windows demands it.
My HP netbook (linked above) runs like a dog in Windows by the time you add virus scanners and all of the associated baggage.
However, Ubuntu 9.10 NBR runs brilliantly.
I upgraded the RAM to 2GB and put it back down to 1GB and haven't missed it.Sadly, with the onslaught of Windows 7, it appears as though the nascent netbook market, which began with affordable computers running Linux on small SSDs, is in the process of dying.
Such is life.
Pick up your 2lb 9" Linux wonder while supplies last.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30501992</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261240260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Those 1080p movie trailers that Apple likes to release will play just fine, however.</p></div><p>Actually, Apple's Quicktime doesn't seem to bother with acceleration, unless you're using the latest NVIDIA chips with MacOS X. We should see whether these prove nicely Hackintosh-able before saying that Quicktime runs well with them.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Those 1080p movie trailers that Apple likes to release will play just fine , however.Actually , Apple 's Quicktime does n't seem to bother with acceleration , unless you 're using the latest NVIDIA chips with MacOS X. We should see whether these prove nicely Hackintosh-able before saying that Quicktime runs well with them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those 1080p movie trailers that Apple likes to release will play just fine, however.Actually, Apple's Quicktime doesn't seem to bother with acceleration, unless you're using the latest NVIDIA chips with MacOS X. We should see whether these prove nicely Hackintosh-able before saying that Quicktime runs well with them.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494400</id>
	<title>Linux/SSD version wanted</title>
	<author>markdavis</author>
	<datestamp>1261136880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now if they would just go back to their true *netbook* roots and also offer a Linux + SSD version!!  That was a killer combination.</p><p>I will stick with my Linux EEE 1000 for now.  Better value than the MS-Win version (for me), uncrashable "hard drive", great battery life, nice form factor, decent keyboard, reasonably fast, respectable screen.  About the only two annoying things are the right shift key in the wrong place (which really kills me when using vi) and the battery light starting to blink at something like 75\% power left (obviously a boo boo).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now if they would just go back to their true * netbook * roots and also offer a Linux + SSD version ! !
That was a killer combination.I will stick with my Linux EEE 1000 for now .
Better value than the MS-Win version ( for me ) , uncrashable " hard drive " , great battery life , nice form factor , decent keyboard , reasonably fast , respectable screen .
About the only two annoying things are the right shift key in the wrong place ( which really kills me when using vi ) and the battery light starting to blink at something like 75 \ % power left ( obviously a boo boo ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now if they would just go back to their true *netbook* roots and also offer a Linux + SSD version!!
That was a killer combination.I will stick with my Linux EEE 1000 for now.
Better value than the MS-Win version (for me), uncrashable "hard drive", great battery life, nice form factor, decent keyboard, reasonably fast, respectable screen.
About the only two annoying things are the right shift key in the wrong place (which really kills me when using vi) and the battery light starting to blink at something like 75\% power left (obviously a boo boo).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30495352</id>
	<title>Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261143660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are all laptops.  A netbook and a notebook are all laptops.  Netbook is a marketing term.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are all laptops .
A netbook and a notebook are all laptops .
Netbook is a marketing term .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are all laptops.
A netbook and a notebook are all laptops.
Netbook is a marketing term.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494502</id>
	<title>Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261137420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm kind of a beast, so having the larger display and keyboard for my club-like fingers is handy.  For me, the distinction between a 12" netbook and a 13" laptop has more to do with battery life.  I have the 12" Asus that was the precursor the one in this article, and I get roughly the same battery life out of it that I do my smartphone, which means I can use it consistently all day long without needing to plug it in.  Charge up overnight, and keep on going the next day.  And since it's roughly the width and length of a piece of paper, weighing less than three pounds, it's perfect for when I'm on the road traveling or working.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm kind of a beast , so having the larger display and keyboard for my club-like fingers is handy .
For me , the distinction between a 12 " netbook and a 13 " laptop has more to do with battery life .
I have the 12 " Asus that was the precursor the one in this article , and I get roughly the same battery life out of it that I do my smartphone , which means I can use it consistently all day long without needing to plug it in .
Charge up overnight , and keep on going the next day .
And since it 's roughly the width and length of a piece of paper , weighing less than three pounds , it 's perfect for when I 'm on the road traveling or working .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm kind of a beast, so having the larger display and keyboard for my club-like fingers is handy.
For me, the distinction between a 12" netbook and a 13" laptop has more to do with battery life.
I have the 12" Asus that was the precursor the one in this article, and I get roughly the same battery life out of it that I do my smartphone, which means I can use it consistently all day long without needing to plug it in.
Charge up overnight, and keep on going the next day.
And since it's roughly the width and length of a piece of paper, weighing less than three pounds, it's perfect for when I'm on the road traveling or working.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30495020</id>
	<title>Netbooks, meh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261140960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don&rsquo;t think the manufacturers can help themselves when it comes to out doing one another with features, etc. The marketing droids promise the moon, sun, and stars if only ours was &ldquo;better&rdquo;!</p><p>We have 2.</p><p>MSI and ACER units. They serve a purpose, but only for my teenage kids, and even that is waning since they got Blackberries.</p><p>Personally, my own 8830WE covers day to day stuff, so that a net book would be redundant.</p><p>Meetings or work require my XPS M1730 (yeah, I know, but so what) and I just don&rsquo;t see any need for a net book, upgraded or not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I don    t think the manufacturers can help themselves when it comes to out doing one another with features , etc .
The marketing droids promise the moon , sun , and stars if only ours was    better    ! We have 2.MSI and ACER units .
They serve a purpose , but only for my teenage kids , and even that is waning since they got Blackberries.Personally , my own 8830WE covers day to day stuff , so that a net book would be redundant.Meetings or work require my XPS M1730 ( yeah , I know , but so what ) and I just don    t see any need for a net book , upgraded or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don’t think the manufacturers can help themselves when it comes to out doing one another with features, etc.
The marketing droids promise the moon, sun, and stars if only ours was “better”!We have 2.MSI and ACER units.
They serve a purpose, but only for my teenage kids, and even that is waning since they got Blackberries.Personally, my own 8830WE covers day to day stuff, so that a net book would be redundant.Meetings or work require my XPS M1730 (yeah, I know, but so what) and I just don’t see any need for a net book, upgraded or not.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494314</id>
	<title>Is $500 too high for a Netbook?</title>
	<author>BobMcD</author>
	<datestamp>1261136520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Price (MSRP): $499.99</p></div><p>I say yes.  More than $300 means 'a lot of money' and that means I'd better be getting a full-blown computer for my purchase dollars.  This needs to include some kind of optical drive.  That's what I say, what say you?</p></div>
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<tokenext>Price ( MSRP ) : $ 499.99I say yes .
More than $ 300 means 'a lot of money ' and that means I 'd better be getting a full-blown computer for my purchase dollars .
This needs to include some kind of optical drive .
That 's what I say , what say you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Price (MSRP): $499.99I say yes.
More than $300 means 'a lot of money' and that means I'd better be getting a full-blown computer for my purchase dollars.
This needs to include some kind of optical drive.
That's what I say, what say you?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30495096</id>
	<title>Battery life and price  screen size and weight</title>
	<author>zullnero</author>
	<datestamp>1261141500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>At least where I'm concerned.  I bought a netbook because it was a sub $400 dollar laptop that had several hours of battery life.  I always felt that the main purpose of a netbook was to provide an inexpensive, highly portable/ultra long battery life to counter mobile wifi use...as that leads into the main purpose...being connected and doing stuff on the net.  Tradeoff being, of course, lower end graphics processing and lower power processors to boost that battery charge life.  12 inches, 10 inches, 9 inches, 8 inches...that's just a personal preference that kinda sorta plays into the portability part.  At some point you've got a small laptop, at another point you have a big handheld.  I have a smartphone...I don't need a slightly bigger one to complement the one I use now.  The netbook sits nicely between the 17" desktop replacement and the big handheld categories.</htmltext>
<tokenext>At least where I 'm concerned .
I bought a netbook because it was a sub $ 400 dollar laptop that had several hours of battery life .
I always felt that the main purpose of a netbook was to provide an inexpensive , highly portable/ultra long battery life to counter mobile wifi use...as that leads into the main purpose...being connected and doing stuff on the net .
Tradeoff being , of course , lower end graphics processing and lower power processors to boost that battery charge life .
12 inches , 10 inches , 9 inches , 8 inches...that 's just a personal preference that kinda sorta plays into the portability part .
At some point you 've got a small laptop , at another point you have a big handheld .
I have a smartphone...I do n't need a slightly bigger one to complement the one I use now .
The netbook sits nicely between the 17 " desktop replacement and the big handheld categories .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least where I'm concerned.
I bought a netbook because it was a sub $400 dollar laptop that had several hours of battery life.
I always felt that the main purpose of a netbook was to provide an inexpensive, highly portable/ultra long battery life to counter mobile wifi use...as that leads into the main purpose...being connected and doing stuff on the net.
Tradeoff being, of course, lower end graphics processing and lower power processors to boost that battery charge life.
12 inches, 10 inches, 9 inches, 8 inches...that's just a personal preference that kinda sorta plays into the portability part.
At some point you've got a small laptop, at another point you have a big handheld.
I have a smartphone...I don't need a slightly bigger one to complement the one I use now.
The netbook sits nicely between the 17" desktop replacement and the big handheld categories.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30496956</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>clarkn0va</author>
	<datestamp>1261164300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The most interesting benchmark in the article is the effect that the Ion GPU has.  There's another netbook review that is linked in the article to an $800 machine with a beefier CPU, the ASUS CLUV.  That machine is unable to play 1080p video clips without stuttering.</p></div><p>I question that result. I have a $800 Acer Timeline 3810T: 1.4GHz CULV + 4500MHD + 80GB SSD, and it plays 1080p just fine using Intel Clear Video (Intel's flavour of DXVA, comparable to what you saw the ion do in the linked review).</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Only problem : not all video codecs are accelerated this well.  Do any players/codecs out there let you watch the usual x264 video clips that pirates put up on the net with Ion GPU acceleration?</p></div><p>I also have a Zotac Ion-itx board. It's currently employed as a NAS, but when I fist got it I had to try it out a couple months as a desktop. Honestly, aside from the Atom's inability to play youtube HD or HQ (and the flash 10.1 plugin has now supposedly fixed that too with DXVA), I never missed my Athlon X2 or 8600GT. That ion plays 1080p<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.mkv/h.264 files just fine with minimal CPU usage, same with VC-1 formats. The dual-core hyperthreaded atom was almost totally adequate for my needs on a 1920x1200 monitor.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Maybe you could pick up an external enclosure off newegg along with an SSD, and put the mechanical drive to use as a backup disk.  Put in an OCZ vertex SSD, and make this machine scream.</p></div><p>Agreed. Anand recently wrote words to the effect that an Atom is a waste of an SSD, but I completely disagree. My desktop ion experience used an OCZ Vertex (which is now back in my primary desktop). I've built a couple atom 330-based desktops with inexpensive Kingston V Series SSDs and WinXP for family and neighbors, and they couldn't be happier. I would pit one of those 26-Watt machines against any modern processor + spinning HDD for your typical mother-in-law computer tasks any day.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The most interesting benchmark in the article is the effect that the Ion GPU has .
There 's another netbook review that is linked in the article to an $ 800 machine with a beefier CPU , the ASUS CLUV .
That machine is unable to play 1080p video clips without stuttering.I question that result .
I have a $ 800 Acer Timeline 3810T : 1.4GHz CULV + 4500MHD + 80GB SSD , and it plays 1080p just fine using Intel Clear Video ( Intel 's flavour of DXVA , comparable to what you saw the ion do in the linked review ) .Only problem : not all video codecs are accelerated this well .
Do any players/codecs out there let you watch the usual x264 video clips that pirates put up on the net with Ion GPU acceleration ? I also have a Zotac Ion-itx board .
It 's currently employed as a NAS , but when I fist got it I had to try it out a couple months as a desktop .
Honestly , aside from the Atom 's inability to play youtube HD or HQ ( and the flash 10.1 plugin has now supposedly fixed that too with DXVA ) , I never missed my Athlon X2 or 8600GT .
That ion plays 1080p .mkv/h.264 files just fine with minimal CPU usage , same with VC-1 formats .
The dual-core hyperthreaded atom was almost totally adequate for my needs on a 1920x1200 monitor.Maybe you could pick up an external enclosure off newegg along with an SSD , and put the mechanical drive to use as a backup disk .
Put in an OCZ vertex SSD , and make this machine scream.Agreed .
Anand recently wrote words to the effect that an Atom is a waste of an SSD , but I completely disagree .
My desktop ion experience used an OCZ Vertex ( which is now back in my primary desktop ) .
I 've built a couple atom 330-based desktops with inexpensive Kingston V Series SSDs and WinXP for family and neighbors , and they could n't be happier .
I would pit one of those 26-Watt machines against any modern processor + spinning HDD for your typical mother-in-law computer tasks any day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The most interesting benchmark in the article is the effect that the Ion GPU has.
There's another netbook review that is linked in the article to an $800 machine with a beefier CPU, the ASUS CLUV.
That machine is unable to play 1080p video clips without stuttering.I question that result.
I have a $800 Acer Timeline 3810T: 1.4GHz CULV + 4500MHD + 80GB SSD, and it plays 1080p just fine using Intel Clear Video (Intel's flavour of DXVA, comparable to what you saw the ion do in the linked review).Only problem : not all video codecs are accelerated this well.
Do any players/codecs out there let you watch the usual x264 video clips that pirates put up on the net with Ion GPU acceleration?I also have a Zotac Ion-itx board.
It's currently employed as a NAS, but when I fist got it I had to try it out a couple months as a desktop.
Honestly, aside from the Atom's inability to play youtube HD or HQ (and the flash 10.1 plugin has now supposedly fixed that too with DXVA), I never missed my Athlon X2 or 8600GT.
That ion plays 1080p .mkv/h.264 files just fine with minimal CPU usage, same with VC-1 formats.
The dual-core hyperthreaded atom was almost totally adequate for my needs on a 1920x1200 monitor.Maybe you could pick up an external enclosure off newegg along with an SSD, and put the mechanical drive to use as a backup disk.
Put in an OCZ vertex SSD, and make this machine scream.Agreed.
Anand recently wrote words to the effect that an Atom is a waste of an SSD, but I completely disagree.
My desktop ion experience used an OCZ Vertex (which is now back in my primary desktop).
I've built a couple atom 330-based desktops with inexpensive Kingston V Series SSDs and WinXP for family and neighbors, and they couldn't be happier.
I would pit one of those 26-Watt machines against any modern processor + spinning HDD for your typical mother-in-law computer tasks any day.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30496052</id>
	<title>Love my 12" netbook</title>
	<author>caseih</author>
	<datestamp>1261150800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been looking for something to replace my ageing PowerBook 12" for a long time.  Mainly the fact that Linux ran like crap on most laptops prevented me from replacing it before.  I thought about a 12" thinkpad, but at the time Linux still didn't run worth a darn on the thing and didn't like the use of a nub instead of a trackpad[1].</p><p>I discovered the Lenovo S12 and decided to buy it.  The S12 is a bit pricey for a netbook, meaning it's over $400.  But not too bad.  Sure I could buy an el cheapo 15" semi-portable "laptop" for that price, but it wouldn't have near the utility to me.   It has pretty good battery life, about 4-5 hours, depending on use.  It doesn't have a ton of horsepower, but its portability and usability are quite good.  It's very light, has a wonderful screen, and a full-size keyboard.  It's still called a netbook because it doesn't have a screaming hot core 2 duo processor.  But frankly it doesn't need one. I can easily add a SSD to my lenovo (spare Mini PCI-e slot) and spin the hard drive down 90\% of the time, which could extend battery life.  Obviously a large screen back light will drain some.   But everything is a trade-off.</p><p>It's pretty eerie to have a Linux laptop that consistently sleeps and wakes up.  The Gnome stuff in Fedora 12 impressed me as well.  The Network Manager handled wireless, wired, and VPN in a very nice, OSX-ish way.  Put Windows XP to shame, that's for sure.</p><p>I think netbooks are redefining the subnotebook space, which is what this really is.    If you ridicule the 12" netbook, odds are you either a) actually need a real laptop or b) you've never tried a 12" netbook.</p><p>[1] Linux gurus always claim that Linux runs well on thinkpads, but their idea of run well was different than mine.  No sleep, terrible battery life, etc.  That's mostly changed now it appears.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been looking for something to replace my ageing PowerBook 12 " for a long time .
Mainly the fact that Linux ran like crap on most laptops prevented me from replacing it before .
I thought about a 12 " thinkpad , but at the time Linux still did n't run worth a darn on the thing and did n't like the use of a nub instead of a trackpad [ 1 ] .I discovered the Lenovo S12 and decided to buy it .
The S12 is a bit pricey for a netbook , meaning it 's over $ 400 .
But not too bad .
Sure I could buy an el cheapo 15 " semi-portable " laptop " for that price , but it would n't have near the utility to me .
It has pretty good battery life , about 4-5 hours , depending on use .
It does n't have a ton of horsepower , but its portability and usability are quite good .
It 's very light , has a wonderful screen , and a full-size keyboard .
It 's still called a netbook because it does n't have a screaming hot core 2 duo processor .
But frankly it does n't need one .
I can easily add a SSD to my lenovo ( spare Mini PCI-e slot ) and spin the hard drive down 90 \ % of the time , which could extend battery life .
Obviously a large screen back light will drain some .
But everything is a trade-off.It 's pretty eerie to have a Linux laptop that consistently sleeps and wakes up .
The Gnome stuff in Fedora 12 impressed me as well .
The Network Manager handled wireless , wired , and VPN in a very nice , OSX-ish way .
Put Windows XP to shame , that 's for sure.I think netbooks are redefining the subnotebook space , which is what this really is .
If you ridicule the 12 " netbook , odds are you either a ) actually need a real laptop or b ) you 've never tried a 12 " netbook .
[ 1 ] Linux gurus always claim that Linux runs well on thinkpads , but their idea of run well was different than mine .
No sleep , terrible battery life , etc .
That 's mostly changed now it appears .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been looking for something to replace my ageing PowerBook 12" for a long time.
Mainly the fact that Linux ran like crap on most laptops prevented me from replacing it before.
I thought about a 12" thinkpad, but at the time Linux still didn't run worth a darn on the thing and didn't like the use of a nub instead of a trackpad[1].I discovered the Lenovo S12 and decided to buy it.
The S12 is a bit pricey for a netbook, meaning it's over $400.
But not too bad.
Sure I could buy an el cheapo 15" semi-portable "laptop" for that price, but it wouldn't have near the utility to me.
It has pretty good battery life, about 4-5 hours, depending on use.
It doesn't have a ton of horsepower, but its portability and usability are quite good.
It's very light, has a wonderful screen, and a full-size keyboard.
It's still called a netbook because it doesn't have a screaming hot core 2 duo processor.
But frankly it doesn't need one.
I can easily add a SSD to my lenovo (spare Mini PCI-e slot) and spin the hard drive down 90\% of the time, which could extend battery life.
Obviously a large screen back light will drain some.
But everything is a trade-off.It's pretty eerie to have a Linux laptop that consistently sleeps and wakes up.
The Gnome stuff in Fedora 12 impressed me as well.
The Network Manager handled wireless, wired, and VPN in a very nice, OSX-ish way.
Put Windows XP to shame, that's for sure.I think netbooks are redefining the subnotebook space, which is what this really is.
If you ridicule the 12" netbook, odds are you either a) actually need a real laptop or b) you've never tried a 12" netbook.
[1] Linux gurus always claim that Linux runs well on thinkpads, but their idea of run well was different than mine.
No sleep, terrible battery life, etc.
That's mostly changed now it appears.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30497942</id>
	<title>Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten.</title>
	<author>TheKidWho</author>
	<datestamp>1261230300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes they do, any netbook with an Nvidia ION such as the HP Mini 311 will have HDMI output and will happily play 1080p video without stuttering.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes they do , any netbook with an Nvidia ION such as the HP Mini 311 will have HDMI output and will happily play 1080p video without stuttering .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes they do, any netbook with an Nvidia ION such as the HP Mini 311 will have HDMI output and will happily play 1080p video without stuttering.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494500</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30495384</id>
	<title>Re:netbook?</title>
	<author>Antony-Kyre</author>
	<datestamp>1261144140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How much does your old laptop weigh? How thick is it? Does it have an optical drive?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How much does your old laptop weigh ?
How thick is it ?
Does it have an optical drive ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much does your old laptop weigh?
How thick is it?
Does it have an optical drive?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494422</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494422</id>
	<title>netbook?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261137000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This netbook has the same screen size, ram, and CPU perforcement as my four year old laptop.</p><p>Has my old laptop become a netbook?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This netbook has the same screen size , ram , and CPU perforcement as my four year old laptop.Has my old laptop become a netbook ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This netbook has the same screen size, ram, and CPU perforcement as my four year old laptop.Has my old laptop become a netbook?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30496476</id>
	<title>Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten.</title>
	<author>rtb61</author>
	<datestamp>1261156860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> Going back to twelve inches was inevitable. It was all about price points and artificially inflated profit margins. You had the weirdness of 15 inch notebooks being significantly cheaper than smaller "road warrior" (what a load of marketing crap to feed the egos idiot executives so they would pay the inflated prices) ultra portable notebooks. You couldn't very well have netbooks come in at the twelve inch size range and bugger up the PR and ego infested world of high profit ultra portable note books. </p><p> Nothing of course lasts for ever. So netbooks are now likely to settle of a few screen sizes say 12, 10 and 8. The size would largely be driven by age, with older people going for the larger screens and younger people going for smaller screens, so eye ball capability ie. screen real estate and of course font size is the decider. </p><p> The differences between sizes will be largely screen size, keyboard size and storage capacity (simply more space available) as performance capability will be much the same across all sizes (with PR=B$ variations for price differentiation and profit enhancement).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Going back to twelve inches was inevitable .
It was all about price points and artificially inflated profit margins .
You had the weirdness of 15 inch notebooks being significantly cheaper than smaller " road warrior " ( what a load of marketing crap to feed the egos idiot executives so they would pay the inflated prices ) ultra portable notebooks .
You could n't very well have netbooks come in at the twelve inch size range and bugger up the PR and ego infested world of high profit ultra portable note books .
Nothing of course lasts for ever .
So netbooks are now likely to settle of a few screen sizes say 12 , 10 and 8 .
The size would largely be driven by age , with older people going for the larger screens and younger people going for smaller screens , so eye ball capability ie .
screen real estate and of course font size is the decider .
The differences between sizes will be largely screen size , keyboard size and storage capacity ( simply more space available ) as performance capability will be much the same across all sizes ( with PR = B $ variations for price differentiation and profit enhancement ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Going back to twelve inches was inevitable.
It was all about price points and artificially inflated profit margins.
You had the weirdness of 15 inch notebooks being significantly cheaper than smaller "road warrior" (what a load of marketing crap to feed the egos idiot executives so they would pay the inflated prices) ultra portable notebooks.
You couldn't very well have netbooks come in at the twelve inch size range and bugger up the PR and ego infested world of high profit ultra portable note books.
Nothing of course lasts for ever.
So netbooks are now likely to settle of a few screen sizes say 12, 10 and 8.
The size would largely be driven by age, with older people going for the larger screens and younger people going for smaller screens, so eye ball capability ie.
screen real estate and of course font size is the decider.
The differences between sizes will be largely screen size, keyboard size and storage capacity (simply more space available) as performance capability will be much the same across all sizes (with PR=B$ variations for price differentiation and profit enhancement).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494500</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494934</id>
	<title>Wow</title>
	<author>ShooterNeo</author>
	<datestamp>1261140120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The most interesting benchmark in the article is the effect that the Ion GPU has.  There's another netbook review that is linked in the article to an $800 machine with a beefier CPU, the ASUS CLUV.  That machine is unable to play 1080p video clips without stuttering.</p><p>Yet this beast of a netbook can do it easily, using no more than 50\% CPU in windows media player.  That ION GPU must be doing a heck of a lot of the calculations in order to make this possible.</p><p>Only problem : not all video codecs are accelerated this well.  Do any players/codecs out there let you watch the usual x264 video clips that pirates put up on the net with Ion GPU acceleration?  Historically, Windows Media Player generally doesn't natively play anything but WMV and old codec files.</p><p>Those 1080p movie trailers that Apple likes to release will play just fine, however.</p><p>The biggest problem with the machine is that it still uses a mechanical hard drive.  It would be a heck of a lot faster and more responsive if it had a clean bare-bones install of Win 7 and an SSD.  (no, not Linux...Linux might boot and run faster but it takes more time to tinker with it and fight to get things to run than you save, unless you are a Linux expert)</p><p>Problem is, you gotta pay for the cost of that useless 5400 rpm drive when you buy this thing.  Maybe you could pick up an external enclosure off newegg along with an SSD, and put the mechanical drive to use as a backup disk.  Put in an OCZ vertex SSD, and make this machine scream.</p><p>The 2GB ram limitation is also a problem, though...For long term use, you really want at least 4-8 GB....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The most interesting benchmark in the article is the effect that the Ion GPU has .
There 's another netbook review that is linked in the article to an $ 800 machine with a beefier CPU , the ASUS CLUV .
That machine is unable to play 1080p video clips without stuttering.Yet this beast of a netbook can do it easily , using no more than 50 \ % CPU in windows media player .
That ION GPU must be doing a heck of a lot of the calculations in order to make this possible.Only problem : not all video codecs are accelerated this well .
Do any players/codecs out there let you watch the usual x264 video clips that pirates put up on the net with Ion GPU acceleration ?
Historically , Windows Media Player generally does n't natively play anything but WMV and old codec files.Those 1080p movie trailers that Apple likes to release will play just fine , however.The biggest problem with the machine is that it still uses a mechanical hard drive .
It would be a heck of a lot faster and more responsive if it had a clean bare-bones install of Win 7 and an SSD .
( no , not Linux...Linux might boot and run faster but it takes more time to tinker with it and fight to get things to run than you save , unless you are a Linux expert ) Problem is , you got ta pay for the cost of that useless 5400 rpm drive when you buy this thing .
Maybe you could pick up an external enclosure off newegg along with an SSD , and put the mechanical drive to use as a backup disk .
Put in an OCZ vertex SSD , and make this machine scream.The 2GB ram limitation is also a problem , though...For long term use , you really want at least 4-8 GB... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The most interesting benchmark in the article is the effect that the Ion GPU has.
There's another netbook review that is linked in the article to an $800 machine with a beefier CPU, the ASUS CLUV.
That machine is unable to play 1080p video clips without stuttering.Yet this beast of a netbook can do it easily, using no more than 50\% CPU in windows media player.
That ION GPU must be doing a heck of a lot of the calculations in order to make this possible.Only problem : not all video codecs are accelerated this well.
Do any players/codecs out there let you watch the usual x264 video clips that pirates put up on the net with Ion GPU acceleration?
Historically, Windows Media Player generally doesn't natively play anything but WMV and old codec files.Those 1080p movie trailers that Apple likes to release will play just fine, however.The biggest problem with the machine is that it still uses a mechanical hard drive.
It would be a heck of a lot faster and more responsive if it had a clean bare-bones install of Win 7 and an SSD.
(no, not Linux...Linux might boot and run faster but it takes more time to tinker with it and fight to get things to run than you save, unless you are a Linux expert)Problem is, you gotta pay for the cost of that useless 5400 rpm drive when you buy this thing.
Maybe you could pick up an external enclosure off newegg along with an SSD, and put the mechanical drive to use as a backup disk.
Put in an OCZ vertex SSD, and make this machine scream.The 2GB ram limitation is also a problem, though...For long term use, you really want at least 4-8 GB....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30495398</id>
	<title>But does it run Linux?</title>
	<author>Synchis</author>
	<datestamp>1261144380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wake me up when it's shipped with Linux pre-installed.</p><p>Windows 7 will have it running like a 286 in no time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wake me up when it 's shipped with Linux pre-installed.Windows 7 will have it running like a 286 in no time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wake me up when it's shipped with Linux pre-installed.Windows 7 will have it running like a 286 in no time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30498040</id>
	<title>nettops &amp; HTPC</title>
	<author>DaveGod</author>
	<datestamp>1261232280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see the point with an ION netbook. A netbook is a highly portable version of a laptop which means smaller, lighter, excellent battery life and very cheap. The thing you can carry around in a bag without thinking about it because it is no hassle to carry and it doesn't really matter if it gets stolen/dropped anyway. </p><p>"Netbooks" are now just bad laptops. Compared to a low-end laptop they have the same price, similar weight, similar dimensions... Usually I can buy a slightly better spec low-end laptop for cheaper! These over-spec netbooks do not fit the purpose, they are desktop/laptop replacements, not secondary machines.</p><p>I'd take a &pound;250 netbook with a 9" screen, 32gb SSD and just enough horsepower for basic web and spreadsheets over a &pound;400 netbook-come-laptop. Even if you were giving them away (well OK, unless I could ebay the &pound;400 one for more than &pound;250).</p><p>Where ION does interest me is nettops and HTPC - though the latter seem to be getting less interesting generally due to some good boxes coming out that fit all the requirements plus have the advantages that come with being wholly designed for the task. For nettops the advantage is clearer since it's a desktop replacement, which has what the hardware has become.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see the point with an ION netbook .
A netbook is a highly portable version of a laptop which means smaller , lighter , excellent battery life and very cheap .
The thing you can carry around in a bag without thinking about it because it is no hassle to carry and it does n't really matter if it gets stolen/dropped anyway .
" Netbooks " are now just bad laptops .
Compared to a low-end laptop they have the same price , similar weight , similar dimensions... Usually I can buy a slightly better spec low-end laptop for cheaper !
These over-spec netbooks do not fit the purpose , they are desktop/laptop replacements , not secondary machines.I 'd take a   250 netbook with a 9 " screen , 32gb SSD and just enough horsepower for basic web and spreadsheets over a   400 netbook-come-laptop .
Even if you were giving them away ( well OK , unless I could ebay the   400 one for more than   250 ) .Where ION does interest me is nettops and HTPC - though the latter seem to be getting less interesting generally due to some good boxes coming out that fit all the requirements plus have the advantages that come with being wholly designed for the task .
For nettops the advantage is clearer since it 's a desktop replacement , which has what the hardware has become .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see the point with an ION netbook.
A netbook is a highly portable version of a laptop which means smaller, lighter, excellent battery life and very cheap.
The thing you can carry around in a bag without thinking about it because it is no hassle to carry and it doesn't really matter if it gets stolen/dropped anyway.
"Netbooks" are now just bad laptops.
Compared to a low-end laptop they have the same price, similar weight, similar dimensions... Usually I can buy a slightly better spec low-end laptop for cheaper!
These over-spec netbooks do not fit the purpose, they are desktop/laptop replacements, not secondary machines.I'd take a £250 netbook with a 9" screen, 32gb SSD and just enough horsepower for basic web and spreadsheets over a £400 netbook-come-laptop.
Even if you were giving them away (well OK, unless I could ebay the £400 one for more than £250).Where ION does interest me is nettops and HTPC - though the latter seem to be getting less interesting generally due to some good boxes coming out that fit all the requirements plus have the advantages that come with being wholly designed for the task.
For nettops the advantage is clearer since it's a desktop replacement, which has what the hardware has become.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494864</id>
	<title>Re:Linux/SSD version wanted</title>
	<author>TheDarkener</author>
	<datestamp>1261139760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mod parent up. My eee 701 is still the choice for me, even given the higher specs of all the latter models. It's the smallest of them all (didn't netbook used to = subnotebook?), SSD = oops, I dropped my laptop, oh well.., and Ubuntu runs great on it. Asus has lost their netbook roots, now they're just making normal notebooks with a crap OS.</p><p>DISCLAIMER: I love Palm Pilots, too. You know, stuff that was made for its purpose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mod parent up .
My eee 701 is still the choice for me , even given the higher specs of all the latter models .
It 's the smallest of them all ( did n't netbook used to = subnotebook ?
) , SSD = oops , I dropped my laptop , oh well.. , and Ubuntu runs great on it .
Asus has lost their netbook roots , now they 're just making normal notebooks with a crap OS.DISCLAIMER : I love Palm Pilots , too .
You know , stuff that was made for its purpose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mod parent up.
My eee 701 is still the choice for me, even given the higher specs of all the latter models.
It's the smallest of them all (didn't netbook used to = subnotebook?
), SSD = oops, I dropped my laptop, oh well.., and Ubuntu runs great on it.
Asus has lost their netbook roots, now they're just making normal notebooks with a crap OS.DISCLAIMER: I love Palm Pilots, too.
You know, stuff that was made for its purpose.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494500</id>
	<title>Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten.</title>
	<author>Anachragnome</author>
	<datestamp>1261137420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree. It is turning back into a laptop at this point.</p><p>But I think they are headed in the right direction as far as my own needs go.</p><p>I simply want an HDMI/VGA capable, networkable device to throw the web onto my television without stuttering. So far, it doesn't exist.</p><p>This sounds like it is pretty close, if not there already.</p><p>God dammit, I want to sit on my fucking couch again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
It is turning back into a laptop at this point.But I think they are headed in the right direction as far as my own needs go.I simply want an HDMI/VGA capable , networkable device to throw the web onto my television without stuttering .
So far , it does n't exist.This sounds like it is pretty close , if not there already.God dammit , I want to sit on my fucking couch again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
It is turning back into a laptop at this point.But I think they are headed in the right direction as far as my own needs go.I simply want an HDMI/VGA capable, networkable device to throw the web onto my television without stuttering.
So far, it doesn't exist.This sounds like it is pretty close, if not there already.God dammit, I want to sit on my fucking couch again.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494236</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494336</id>
	<title>Lets you run your JavaShit laden WebApps</title>
	<author>ickleberry</author>
	<datestamp>1261136580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>at lightning speed!
<br> <br>
because obviously since they are "Netbooks" all they are good for is running (as in accessing) remotely run applications through some stupid Web 2.0 interface filled with needless graphics and effects. ohh shiny!</htmltext>
<tokenext>at lightning speed !
because obviously since they are " Netbooks " all they are good for is running ( as in accessing ) remotely run applications through some stupid Web 2.0 interface filled with needless graphics and effects .
ohh shiny !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>at lightning speed!
because obviously since they are "Netbooks" all they are good for is running (as in accessing) remotely run applications through some stupid Web 2.0 interface filled with needless graphics and effects.
ohh shiny!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30496484</id>
	<title>Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten.</title>
	<author>Albanach</author>
	<datestamp>1261157040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I simply want an HDMI/VGA capable, networkable device to throw the web onto my television without stuttering. So far, it doesn't exist.</p></div></blockquote><p>I assume you want to play HD, as most the Atom based devices will happily play SD video. it sounds like you want an Acer Revo. It's been around for a while.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I simply want an HDMI/VGA capable , networkable device to throw the web onto my television without stuttering .
So far , it does n't exist.I assume you want to play HD , as most the Atom based devices will happily play SD video .
it sounds like you want an Acer Revo .
It 's been around for a while .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I simply want an HDMI/VGA capable, networkable device to throw the web onto my television without stuttering.
So far, it doesn't exist.I assume you want to play HD, as most the Atom based devices will happily play SD video.
it sounds like you want an Acer Revo.
It's been around for a while.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30501602</id>
	<title>What happened to ultraportable and subnotebook?</title>
	<author>dirkdodgers</author>
	<datestamp>1261233060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Granted, those used to be more expensive than a regular laptop, not less, and be targeted (at least in the US) at business travelers, but apart from the fact that technological advancement and commoditization has driven down prices, and all of a sudden average people are interested in small laptops, I really don't understand what the difference is from a netbook.</p><p>There's at least 10 years of precedent for this terminology to describe what is now being called a netbook.</p><p>But heck, now netbooks can have 12" and 14" in screens. 12 was absolutely the cutoff for an ultraportable or subnotebook.</p><p>I'm starting to think that netbook just means, "mass market laptop with shitty component quality". Compare this POS to even a Macbook Air, or any of the ultraportables from 5 and 10 years ago.</p><p>Yay consumerism. The triumph of mass market shit. Don't get me wrong, I like prices coming down and democratization of technology, but this low quality netbook fad has become way too damn manipulative. Technology journalists need to get off the corporate teet and inform today's consumers just what is happening here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Granted , those used to be more expensive than a regular laptop , not less , and be targeted ( at least in the US ) at business travelers , but apart from the fact that technological advancement and commoditization has driven down prices , and all of a sudden average people are interested in small laptops , I really do n't understand what the difference is from a netbook.There 's at least 10 years of precedent for this terminology to describe what is now being called a netbook.But heck , now netbooks can have 12 " and 14 " in screens .
12 was absolutely the cutoff for an ultraportable or subnotebook.I 'm starting to think that netbook just means , " mass market laptop with shitty component quality " .
Compare this POS to even a Macbook Air , or any of the ultraportables from 5 and 10 years ago.Yay consumerism .
The triumph of mass market shit .
Do n't get me wrong , I like prices coming down and democratization of technology , but this low quality netbook fad has become way too damn manipulative .
Technology journalists need to get off the corporate teet and inform today 's consumers just what is happening here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Granted, those used to be more expensive than a regular laptop, not less, and be targeted (at least in the US) at business travelers, but apart from the fact that technological advancement and commoditization has driven down prices, and all of a sudden average people are interested in small laptops, I really don't understand what the difference is from a netbook.There's at least 10 years of precedent for this terminology to describe what is now being called a netbook.But heck, now netbooks can have 12" and 14" in screens.
12 was absolutely the cutoff for an ultraportable or subnotebook.I'm starting to think that netbook just means, "mass market laptop with shitty component quality".
Compare this POS to even a Macbook Air, or any of the ultraportables from 5 and 10 years ago.Yay consumerism.
The triumph of mass market shit.
Don't get me wrong, I like prices coming down and democratization of technology, but this low quality netbook fad has become way too damn manipulative.
Technology journalists need to get off the corporate teet and inform today's consumers just what is happening here.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30497660</id>
	<title>Re:Linux/SSD version wanted</title>
	<author>V!NCENT</author>
	<datestamp>1261223160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's a new EeePC with a 1,33gHz Atom, 1GB RAM, 32GB SSD and Flippable 8 inch touchscreen for about 300 dollars...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a new EeePC with a 1,33gHz Atom , 1GB RAM , 32GB SSD and Flippable 8 inch touchscreen for about 300 dollars.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a new EeePC with a 1,33gHz Atom, 1GB RAM, 32GB SSD and Flippable 8 inch touchscreen for about 300 dollars...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494400</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494420</id>
	<title>3D titles respectably</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261137000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>11-19 FPS at 800x600 is not respectable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>11-19 FPS at 800x600 is not respectable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>11-19 FPS at 800x600 is not respectable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494442</id>
	<title>My eeepc 701 is right here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261137060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It runs ubuntu 9.10 now. I have it loaded with cross compilers for the openmoko and atmel. As well as java (on an SD card) and gcc, etc. I get <a href="http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi" title="glitch.tl">a ton of work done commuting by tram</a> [glitch.tl]. (yay for distrubuted version control). The laptop takes one half a small laptop case. It is light enough to carry around on the weekend.</p><p>I have taken it on two holidays. Tasmania and New Zealand. When away I back up our two digital cameras to a Sony video camera with a 30G hard disk. The eeepc is ideal for moving files around between different USB devices. It is also great for watching movies stashed on the video camera.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It runs ubuntu 9.10 now .
I have it loaded with cross compilers for the openmoko and atmel .
As well as java ( on an SD card ) and gcc , etc .
I get a ton of work done commuting by tram [ glitch.tl ] .
( yay for distrubuted version control ) .
The laptop takes one half a small laptop case .
It is light enough to carry around on the weekend.I have taken it on two holidays .
Tasmania and New Zealand .
When away I back up our two digital cameras to a Sony video camera with a 30G hard disk .
The eeepc is ideal for moving files around between different USB devices .
It is also great for watching movies stashed on the video camera .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It runs ubuntu 9.10 now.
I have it loaded with cross compilers for the openmoko and atmel.
As well as java (on an SD card) and gcc, etc.
I get a ton of work done commuting by tram [glitch.tl].
(yay for distrubuted version control).
The laptop takes one half a small laptop case.
It is light enough to carry around on the weekend.I have taken it on two holidays.
Tasmania and New Zealand.
When away I back up our two digital cameras to a Sony video camera with a 30G hard disk.
The eeepc is ideal for moving files around between different USB devices.
It is also great for watching movies stashed on the video camera.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30495006</id>
	<title>No SSD no interest</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1261140780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It will waste more battery power and more prone to problems when being moved about. If I want an hard drive, I'll get a full blown laptop.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It will waste more battery power and more prone to problems when being moved about .
If I want an hard drive , I 'll get a full blown laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It will waste more battery power and more prone to problems when being moved about.
If I want an hard drive, I'll get a full blown laptop.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494568</id>
	<title>Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten.</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1261137840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, my question is, at 12" does it still make sense to call it a netbook?  It seems to me that the "netbook" classification meant that it was very small (max 10"), had a very small amount of storage and no optical drive, so that it was really only good for things like internet browsing, chat, and email.  If you take a netbook, make it more bigger, more powerful, and you add a bunch of storage, it becomes a notebook computer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , my question is , at 12 " does it still make sense to call it a netbook ?
It seems to me that the " netbook " classification meant that it was very small ( max 10 " ) , had a very small amount of storage and no optical drive , so that it was really only good for things like internet browsing , chat , and email .
If you take a netbook , make it more bigger , more powerful , and you add a bunch of storage , it becomes a notebook computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, my question is, at 12" does it still make sense to call it a netbook?
It seems to me that the "netbook" classification meant that it was very small (max 10"), had a very small amount of storage and no optical drive, so that it was really only good for things like internet browsing, chat, and email.
If you take a netbook, make it more bigger, more powerful, and you add a bunch of storage, it becomes a notebook computer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30495626</id>
	<title>Re:Loading software?</title>
	<author>Paradigm\_Complex</author>
	<datestamp>1261146840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>With Linux, there's really very little need for an optical drive for day-to-day use.  You can install the OS from a USB drive, and get all your software online (through the distro's package manager, downloading the straight binaries, or from source).<br> <br>

With Windows it can be a little trickier, since the Windows ecosystem is used to installing most software from disks.  However, the target use for a netbook is mostly for lighter apps you wouldn't get from a disk anyways.  Install Firefox and maybe OpenOffice.org or some such thing, and you use that.  If you really need something from a disk, you can get an external drive or get another machine with an optical drive to make an image.<br> <br>

This class of subnotebook wasn't originally intended to be a primary machine.  Just something small enough that you can carry with you for lighter tasks like browsing the web and taking notes in class.  Of course now that this class of subnotebook has fancy graphics and a 12" screen, I'm not sure what it's intended for anymore.</htmltext>
<tokenext>With Linux , there 's really very little need for an optical drive for day-to-day use .
You can install the OS from a USB drive , and get all your software online ( through the distro 's package manager , downloading the straight binaries , or from source ) .
With Windows it can be a little trickier , since the Windows ecosystem is used to installing most software from disks .
However , the target use for a netbook is mostly for lighter apps you would n't get from a disk anyways .
Install Firefox and maybe OpenOffice.org or some such thing , and you use that .
If you really need something from a disk , you can get an external drive or get another machine with an optical drive to make an image .
This class of subnotebook was n't originally intended to be a primary machine .
Just something small enough that you can carry with you for lighter tasks like browsing the web and taking notes in class .
Of course now that this class of subnotebook has fancy graphics and a 12 " screen , I 'm not sure what it 's intended for anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With Linux, there's really very little need for an optical drive for day-to-day use.
You can install the OS from a USB drive, and get all your software online (through the distro's package manager, downloading the straight binaries, or from source).
With Windows it can be a little trickier, since the Windows ecosystem is used to installing most software from disks.
However, the target use for a netbook is mostly for lighter apps you wouldn't get from a disk anyways.
Install Firefox and maybe OpenOffice.org or some such thing, and you use that.
If you really need something from a disk, you can get an external drive or get another machine with an optical drive to make an image.
This class of subnotebook wasn't originally intended to be a primary machine.
Just something small enough that you can carry with you for lighter tasks like browsing the web and taking notes in class.
Of course now that this class of subnotebook has fancy graphics and a 12" screen, I'm not sure what it's intended for anymore.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30495402</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494236</id>
	<title>More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten...?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261136040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The point of a netbook is size and weight, not speed. More power is nice, but the creep up towards 12" screens is annoying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The point of a netbook is size and weight , not speed .
More power is nice , but the creep up towards 12 " screens is annoying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The point of a netbook is size and weight, not speed.
More power is nice, but the creep up towards 12" screens is annoying.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494978</id>
	<title>Re:12" Are they serious?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261140540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get over it already. Every time there's a story about some netbook or other you get comments like yours complaining about the size. It was like that when the first 9" started appearing, then again with 10" and now 12". The fact is there's no standard of what a netbook is supposed to be. Everyone has their own definition it seems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get over it already .
Every time there 's a story about some netbook or other you get comments like yours complaining about the size .
It was like that when the first 9 " started appearing , then again with 10 " and now 12 " .
The fact is there 's no standard of what a netbook is supposed to be .
Everyone has their own definition it seems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get over it already.
Every time there's a story about some netbook or other you get comments like yours complaining about the size.
It was like that when the first 9" started appearing, then again with 10" and now 12".
The fact is there's no standard of what a netbook is supposed to be.
Everyone has their own definition it seems.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494634</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30495796</id>
	<title>Re:Is $500 too high for a Netbook?</title>
	<author>JoeMerchant</author>
	<datestamp>1261148340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Bait taken, I say that I have a USB external drive that serves my semi-annual optical disc reading needs.  I'd rather not carry the hardware with me the rest of the time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bait taken , I say that I have a USB external drive that serves my semi-annual optical disc reading needs .
I 'd rather not carry the hardware with me the rest of the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bait taken, I say that I have a USB external drive that serves my semi-annual optical disc reading needs.
I'd rather not carry the hardware with me the rest of the time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494314</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30496194</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1261152660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The most interesting benchmark in the article is the effect that the Ion GPU has. There's another netbook review that is linked in the article to an $800 machine with a beefier CPU, the ASUS CLUV. That machine is unable to play 1080p video clips without stuttering.</p><p>Yet this beast of a netbook can do it easily, using no more than 50\% CPU in windows media player. That ION GPU must be doing a heck of a lot of the calculations in order to make this possible.</p></div><p>Two points.</p><p>1) Average ~20\% CPU usage.<br>2) This also has implications for games. Look at those 3Dmark scores. The ION easily has 3-4x the GPU scores. GMA 4500 CULV laptops also offload some calculations in 3Dmark to the CPU, which doesn't take place in most games. If I had to guess, I'd bet on this ION lappy getting 5-6x the framerate, which means playable games on low.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Only problem : not all video codecs are accelerated this well. Do any players/codecs out there let you watch the usual x264 video clips that pirates put up on the net with Ion GPU acceleration? Historically, Windows Media Player generally doesn't natively play anything but WMV and old codec files.</p></div><p>Klite mega codec pack works. It comes with all the required codecs, and MPC-HC. Search google for how to set it to use the GPU to decode it. Don't forget to have<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.net 3.5 installed to gain access to the EVR renderer if you choose to run XP.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The biggest problem with the machine is that it still uses a mechanical hard drive. It would be a heck of a lot faster and more responsive if it had a clean bare-bones install of Win 7 and an SSD. (no, not Linux...Linux might boot and run faster but it takes more time to tinker with it and fight to get things to run than you save, unless you are a Linux expert)</p></div><p>Totally agree.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Problem is, you gotta pay for the cost of that useless 5400 rpm drive when you buy this thing. Maybe you could pick up an external enclosure off newegg along with an SSD, and put the mechanical drive to use as a backup disk. Put in an OCZ vertex SSD, and make this machine scream.</p></div><p>I agree. I'd want to replace the drive - it wouldn't be fair to run this beast off gimped spinning platters.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The 2GB ram limitation is also a problem, though...For long term use, you really want at least 4-8 GB....</p></div><p>It's a netbook, mate. I don't think the N330 has virtualization acceleration. If you're doing other RAM-heavy stuff like video or photo editing, shouldn't you buy a full-sized laptop with a better screen, GPU, etc.?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The most interesting benchmark in the article is the effect that the Ion GPU has .
There 's another netbook review that is linked in the article to an $ 800 machine with a beefier CPU , the ASUS CLUV .
That machine is unable to play 1080p video clips without stuttering.Yet this beast of a netbook can do it easily , using no more than 50 \ % CPU in windows media player .
That ION GPU must be doing a heck of a lot of the calculations in order to make this possible.Two points.1 ) Average ~ 20 \ % CPU usage.2 ) This also has implications for games .
Look at those 3Dmark scores .
The ION easily has 3-4x the GPU scores .
GMA 4500 CULV laptops also offload some calculations in 3Dmark to the CPU , which does n't take place in most games .
If I had to guess , I 'd bet on this ION lappy getting 5-6x the framerate , which means playable games on low.Only problem : not all video codecs are accelerated this well .
Do any players/codecs out there let you watch the usual x264 video clips that pirates put up on the net with Ion GPU acceleration ?
Historically , Windows Media Player generally does n't natively play anything but WMV and old codec files.Klite mega codec pack works .
It comes with all the required codecs , and MPC-HC .
Search google for how to set it to use the GPU to decode it .
Do n't forget to have .net 3.5 installed to gain access to the EVR renderer if you choose to run XP.The biggest problem with the machine is that it still uses a mechanical hard drive .
It would be a heck of a lot faster and more responsive if it had a clean bare-bones install of Win 7 and an SSD .
( no , not Linux...Linux might boot and run faster but it takes more time to tinker with it and fight to get things to run than you save , unless you are a Linux expert ) Totally agree.Problem is , you got ta pay for the cost of that useless 5400 rpm drive when you buy this thing .
Maybe you could pick up an external enclosure off newegg along with an SSD , and put the mechanical drive to use as a backup disk .
Put in an OCZ vertex SSD , and make this machine scream.I agree .
I 'd want to replace the drive - it would n't be fair to run this beast off gimped spinning platters.The 2GB ram limitation is also a problem , though...For long term use , you really want at least 4-8 GB....It 's a netbook , mate .
I do n't think the N330 has virtualization acceleration .
If you 're doing other RAM-heavy stuff like video or photo editing , should n't you buy a full-sized laptop with a better screen , GPU , etc .
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The most interesting benchmark in the article is the effect that the Ion GPU has.
There's another netbook review that is linked in the article to an $800 machine with a beefier CPU, the ASUS CLUV.
That machine is unable to play 1080p video clips without stuttering.Yet this beast of a netbook can do it easily, using no more than 50\% CPU in windows media player.
That ION GPU must be doing a heck of a lot of the calculations in order to make this possible.Two points.1) Average ~20\% CPU usage.2) This also has implications for games.
Look at those 3Dmark scores.
The ION easily has 3-4x the GPU scores.
GMA 4500 CULV laptops also offload some calculations in 3Dmark to the CPU, which doesn't take place in most games.
If I had to guess, I'd bet on this ION lappy getting 5-6x the framerate, which means playable games on low.Only problem : not all video codecs are accelerated this well.
Do any players/codecs out there let you watch the usual x264 video clips that pirates put up on the net with Ion GPU acceleration?
Historically, Windows Media Player generally doesn't natively play anything but WMV and old codec files.Klite mega codec pack works.
It comes with all the required codecs, and MPC-HC.
Search google for how to set it to use the GPU to decode it.
Don't forget to have .net 3.5 installed to gain access to the EVR renderer if you choose to run XP.The biggest problem with the machine is that it still uses a mechanical hard drive.
It would be a heck of a lot faster and more responsive if it had a clean bare-bones install of Win 7 and an SSD.
(no, not Linux...Linux might boot and run faster but it takes more time to tinker with it and fight to get things to run than you save, unless you are a Linux expert)Totally agree.Problem is, you gotta pay for the cost of that useless 5400 rpm drive when you buy this thing.
Maybe you could pick up an external enclosure off newegg along with an SSD, and put the mechanical drive to use as a backup disk.
Put in an OCZ vertex SSD, and make this machine scream.I agree.
I'd want to replace the drive - it wouldn't be fair to run this beast off gimped spinning platters.The 2GB ram limitation is also a problem, though...For long term use, you really want at least 4-8 GB....It's a netbook, mate.
I don't think the N330 has virtualization acceleration.
If you're doing other RAM-heavy stuff like video or photo editing, shouldn't you buy a full-sized laptop with a better screen, GPU, etc.
?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30503522</id>
	<title>First? No.</title>
	<author>Random5</author>
	<datestamp>1261319880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The HP Mini 311's have Ions so I don't know what they mean by 'firs' netbook which could play older 3D titles respectably.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The HP Mini 311 's have Ions so I do n't know what they mean by 'firs ' netbook which could play older 3D titles respectably .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The HP Mini 311's have Ions so I don't know what they mean by 'firs' netbook which could play older 3D titles respectably.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30495590</id>
	<title>Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten.</title>
	<author>SixAndFiftyThree</author>
	<datestamp>1261146480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For that other activity you mention, am I right in guessing that your couch measures 78 by 60 inches and comes with head-to-toe continuous-coil steel springs, 200-thread-count satin sheets, and a down comforter?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For that other activity you mention , am I right in guessing that your couch measures 78 by 60 inches and comes with head-to-toe continuous-coil steel springs , 200-thread-count satin sheets , and a down comforter ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For that other activity you mention, am I right in guessing that your couch measures 78 by 60 inches and comes with head-to-toe continuous-coil steel springs, 200-thread-count satin sheets, and a down comforter?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494500</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30497170</id>
	<title>Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten.</title>
	<author>wwwillem</author>
	<datestamp>1261254600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's keep the definition simple: if it has an Atom CPU it is a netbook, when it has a standard Core CPU it is a laptop. So far, this holds....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's keep the definition simple : if it has an Atom CPU it is a netbook , when it has a standard Core CPU it is a laptop .
So far , this holds... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's keep the definition simple: if it has an Atom CPU it is a netbook, when it has a standard Core CPU it is a laptop.
So far, this holds....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494730</id>
	<title>Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten.</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1261138860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The point of a netbook is size and weight, not speed. More power is nice, but the creep up towards 12" screens is annoying.</p></div><p>Especially with the price creep up to $500. A 12", $500 portable computer is a laptop or notebook, not a netbook. A netbook costs less than $400 and has a 10" or less screen. You can fiddle with one or the other of these and still have a netbook (just barely). But once you change both you are competing against traditional notebook computers, not netbooks.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The point of a netbook is size and weight , not speed .
More power is nice , but the creep up towards 12 " screens is annoying.Especially with the price creep up to $ 500 .
A 12 " , $ 500 portable computer is a laptop or notebook , not a netbook .
A netbook costs less than $ 400 and has a 10 " or less screen .
You can fiddle with one or the other of these and still have a netbook ( just barely ) .
But once you change both you are competing against traditional notebook computers , not netbooks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The point of a netbook is size and weight, not speed.
More power is nice, but the creep up towards 12" screens is annoying.Especially with the price creep up to $500.
A 12", $500 portable computer is a laptop or notebook, not a netbook.
A netbook costs less than $400 and has a 10" or less screen.
You can fiddle with one or the other of these and still have a netbook (just barely).
But once you change both you are competing against traditional notebook computers, not netbooks.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30496316</id>
	<title>Maybe it is not a netbook, but what the heck</title>
	<author>Trikoloko</author>
	<datestamp>1261154220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Although 12" might be too much for a netbook, I believe those machines fill a nice little niche in the ultraportable notebook range, which used to be dominated by Sony Vaios that cost at least three times more.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Although 12 " might be too much for a netbook , I believe those machines fill a nice little niche in the ultraportable notebook range , which used to be dominated by Sony Vaios that cost at least three times more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although 12" might be too much for a netbook, I believe those machines fill a nice little niche in the ultraportable notebook range, which used to be dominated by Sony Vaios that cost at least three times more.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30509464</id>
	<title>Re:"netbook"</title>
	<author>malv</author>
	<datestamp>1261335900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What's the battery life? What's the cost today? My EEE 1000he cost me $300 and gets about 8 hours of life. The magic is in the Atom chip which is cheap to produce and has a very high performance per watt.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the battery life ?
What 's the cost today ?
My EEE 1000he cost me $ 300 and gets about 8 hours of life .
The magic is in the Atom chip which is cheap to produce and has a very high performance per watt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the battery life?
What's the cost today?
My EEE 1000he cost me $300 and gets about 8 hours of life.
The magic is in the Atom chip which is cheap to produce and has a very high performance per watt.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30496150</id>
	<title>Re:12" Are they serious?</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1261152060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Netbooks lack a DVD drive. However, to humour you I shall avoid calling it a netbook.</p><p>My parents currently have two 15.4 inch laptops. They are seeking out two slightly smaller 12 inch tiny-laptops and don't care if these tiny-laptops have a DVD drive. Why? Portability.</p><p>10 inch is too small to type properly. Also keep in mind their eyesight. This would be used as a main computer for both of them, so it has to be comfortable to use. This looks like an adequately powerful tiny laptop.</p><p>Now that said... why go for a large anything? I've got a nice 23" TV that suits my needs. I sit back on the couch and watch it from across the room. The answer, in case you missed it, is that we all have different requirements.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Netbooks lack a DVD drive .
However , to humour you I shall avoid calling it a netbook.My parents currently have two 15.4 inch laptops .
They are seeking out two slightly smaller 12 inch tiny-laptops and do n't care if these tiny-laptops have a DVD drive .
Why ? Portability.10 inch is too small to type properly .
Also keep in mind their eyesight .
This would be used as a main computer for both of them , so it has to be comfortable to use .
This looks like an adequately powerful tiny laptop.Now that said... why go for a large anything ?
I 've got a nice 23 " TV that suits my needs .
I sit back on the couch and watch it from across the room .
The answer , in case you missed it , is that we all have different requirements .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Netbooks lack a DVD drive.
However, to humour you I shall avoid calling it a netbook.My parents currently have two 15.4 inch laptops.
They are seeking out two slightly smaller 12 inch tiny-laptops and don't care if these tiny-laptops have a DVD drive.
Why? Portability.10 inch is too small to type properly.
Also keep in mind their eyesight.
This would be used as a main computer for both of them, so it has to be comfortable to use.
This looks like an adequately powerful tiny laptop.Now that said... why go for a large anything?
I've got a nice 23" TV that suits my needs.
I sit back on the couch and watch it from across the room.
The answer, in case you missed it, is that we all have different requirements.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494440</id>
	<title>Bah!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261137060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Laptops are for people who... <b>Travel</b>!</p><p>*Suspensful orchestral music, can't be transcribed to text due to copyright*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Laptops are for people who.. .
Travel ! * Suspensful orchestral music , ca n't be transcribed to text due to copyright *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Laptops are for people who...
Travel!*Suspensful orchestral music, can't be transcribed to text due to copyright*</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30494394</id>
	<title>Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten.</title>
	<author>jj00</author>
	<datestamp>1261136820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Happy to see the 2GB of RAM (even more would be better), but agree that I really don't care about a 12" screen and more powerful processor.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Happy to see the 2GB of RAM ( even more would be better ) , but agree that I really do n't care about a 12 " screen and more powerful processor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Happy to see the 2GB of RAM (even more would be better), but agree that I really don't care about a 12" screen and more powerful processor.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30495160</id>
	<title>Stalker everywhere just not worth the cost</title>
	<author>Ozlanthos</author>
	<datestamp>1261142100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For a moment, I was actually excited enough about this leap in netbook technology to start considering how I would load Battlefield 2, and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Shadow of Chernobyl without an optical drive. Then I saw how much it costs! If someone is so in love with the idea of a keyboard bigger than their Blackberry\s, but much smaller than their laptops, can live without an optical drive of any kind, and has no problem giving up the average 2 inches vertical, and 3.5 inches viewing space just to own one of these, I wish I knew them personally so I could insult their intelligence directly! IMHO, netbooks provide no advantage that would justify spending $799 on one.
<br>
<br>
-Oz</htmltext>
<tokenext>For a moment , I was actually excited enough about this leap in netbook technology to start considering how I would load Battlefield 2 , and S.T.A.L.K.E.R .
Shadow of Chernobyl without an optical drive .
Then I saw how much it costs !
If someone is so in love with the idea of a keyboard bigger than their Blackberry \ s , but much smaller than their laptops , can live without an optical drive of any kind , and has no problem giving up the average 2 inches vertical , and 3.5 inches viewing space just to own one of these , I wish I knew them personally so I could insult their intelligence directly !
IMHO , netbooks provide no advantage that would justify spending $ 799 on one .
-Oz</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For a moment, I was actually excited enough about this leap in netbook technology to start considering how I would load Battlefield 2, and S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
Shadow of Chernobyl without an optical drive.
Then I saw how much it costs!
If someone is so in love with the idea of a keyboard bigger than their Blackberry\s, but much smaller than their laptops, can live without an optical drive of any kind, and has no problem giving up the average 2 inches vertical, and 3.5 inches viewing space just to own one of these, I wish I knew them personally so I could insult their intelligence directly!
IMHO, netbooks provide no advantage that would justify spending $799 on one.
-Oz</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_18_2033222.30496130</id>
	<title>Re:Linux/SSD version wanted</title>
	<author>markdavis</author>
	<datestamp>1261151700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most people I know that want to run Linux (and I know quite a few) don't want to pay a Microsoft tax. Even if it is only a small savings. They want the choice to purchase a machine of their choice with the OS of their choice.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people I know that want to run Linux ( and I know quite a few ) do n't want to pay a Microsoft tax .
Even if it is only a small savings .
They want the choice to purchase a machine of their choice with the OS of their choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most people I know that want to run Linux (and I know quite a few) don't want to pay a Microsoft tax.
Even if it is only a small savings.
They want the choice to purchase a machine of their choice with the OS of their choice.</sentencetext>
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