<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_17_0412225</id>
	<title>New Zealand Reintroduces 3 Strikes Law</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1261040160000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"The New Zealand government has reintroduced a newly rewritten addition to the Copyright Act which will allow rights' holders to send copyright notices to ISPs, and force them to pass them on to account holders. Section 92A of the Copyright Act will allow rights holders to take people who have been <a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0912/S00282.htm">identified as infringers more than three times in front of a Copyright Tribunal</a>. This law will allow the Copyright Tribunal to hand down either a $15,000 fine or six months internet disconnection. The law specifies that the account holder himself is responsible for what is downloaded via the account, and doesn't make allowances for identifying the actual copyright infringer if there are multiple computers tied to an account."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " The New Zealand government has reintroduced a newly rewritten addition to the Copyright Act which will allow rights ' holders to send copyright notices to ISPs , and force them to pass them on to account holders .
Section 92A of the Copyright Act will allow rights holders to take people who have been identified as infringers more than three times in front of a Copyright Tribunal .
This law will allow the Copyright Tribunal to hand down either a $ 15,000 fine or six months internet disconnection .
The law specifies that the account holder himself is responsible for what is downloaded via the account , and does n't make allowances for identifying the actual copyright infringer if there are multiple computers tied to an account .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "The New Zealand government has reintroduced a newly rewritten addition to the Copyright Act which will allow rights' holders to send copyright notices to ISPs, and force them to pass them on to account holders.
Section 92A of the Copyright Act will allow rights holders to take people who have been identified as infringers more than three times in front of a Copyright Tribunal.
This law will allow the Copyright Tribunal to hand down either a $15,000 fine or six months internet disconnection.
The law specifies that the account holder himself is responsible for what is downloaded via the account, and doesn't make allowances for identifying the actual copyright infringer if there are multiple computers tied to an account.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471240</id>
	<title>Account holder?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261047780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The law specifies that the account holder himself is responsible for what is downloaded via the account, and doesn't make allowances for identifying the actual copyright infringer if there are multiple computers tied to an account.""</p><p>Hmmmm.  So if, say, the Ministry of Defense is the account holder for all the employee Internet connections, and one person within the MoD downloads in an infringing manner, the entire MoD will be disconnected from the Internet for 6 months?</p><p>Could be interesting!</p><p>Might make for an interesting development if collectives form to hold ISP accounts, rather than individuals....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The law specifies that the account holder himself is responsible for what is downloaded via the account , and does n't make allowances for identifying the actual copyright infringer if there are multiple computers tied to an account. " " Hmmmm .
So if , say , the Ministry of Defense is the account holder for all the employee Internet connections , and one person within the MoD downloads in an infringing manner , the entire MoD will be disconnected from the Internet for 6 months ? Could be interesting ! Might make for an interesting development if collectives form to hold ISP accounts , rather than individuals... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The law specifies that the account holder himself is responsible for what is downloaded via the account, and doesn't make allowances for identifying the actual copyright infringer if there are multiple computers tied to an account.""Hmmmm.
So if, say, the Ministry of Defense is the account holder for all the employee Internet connections, and one person within the MoD downloads in an infringing manner, the entire MoD will be disconnected from the Internet for 6 months?Could be interesting!Might make for an interesting development if collectives form to hold ISP accounts, rather than individuals....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30472012</id>
	<title>Re:Time a truly anonymous network for P2P</title>
	<author>flaptrap</author>
	<datestamp>1261054980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Heaven help you if you pick up an Internet Radio shoutcast and it turns out not to be licensed after all.  Or if someone slips you an expose of the Prime Minister's latest liason.</p><p>Government exists to try and control whatever it can and especially whatever the people behind it can't quite understand.</p><p>As far as the kiddie porn thing, since it is so easy to track down who sends out files, why do you only hear of one or two arrests each year?  Do you really think it is not more government sponsored hysteria?  When I was growing up everyone had their baby pictures, brought out just at the wrong times, like the first time you visit your girlfriend's family.  None here - hmm, did I ever really like that sister or ex-wife?</p><p>How did this become the world's worst felony?  You would think that government could rest with their mission to help people live their lives - but there always have to be power-grabbers who have to figure out some way to punish people or threaten to - to make their own political mileage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Heaven help you if you pick up an Internet Radio shoutcast and it turns out not to be licensed after all .
Or if someone slips you an expose of the Prime Minister 's latest liason.Government exists to try and control whatever it can and especially whatever the people behind it ca n't quite understand.As far as the kiddie porn thing , since it is so easy to track down who sends out files , why do you only hear of one or two arrests each year ?
Do you really think it is not more government sponsored hysteria ?
When I was growing up everyone had their baby pictures , brought out just at the wrong times , like the first time you visit your girlfriend 's family .
None here - hmm , did I ever really like that sister or ex-wife ? How did this become the world 's worst felony ?
You would think that government could rest with their mission to help people live their lives - but there always have to be power-grabbers who have to figure out some way to punish people or threaten to - to make their own political mileage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heaven help you if you pick up an Internet Radio shoutcast and it turns out not to be licensed after all.
Or if someone slips you an expose of the Prime Minister's latest liason.Government exists to try and control whatever it can and especially whatever the people behind it can't quite understand.As far as the kiddie porn thing, since it is so easy to track down who sends out files, why do you only hear of one or two arrests each year?
Do you really think it is not more government sponsored hysteria?
When I was growing up everyone had their baby pictures, brought out just at the wrong times, like the first time you visit your girlfriend's family.
None here - hmm, did I ever really like that sister or ex-wife?How did this become the world's worst felony?
You would think that government could rest with their mission to help people live their lives - but there always have to be power-grabbers who have to figure out some way to punish people or threaten to - to make their own political mileage.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470986</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471254</id>
	<title>A far better solution...</title>
	<author>Stormwatch</author>
	<datestamp>1261048020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A far better solution to copyright violations: <a href="http://www.dklevine.com/general/intellectual/againstfinal.htm" title="dklevine.com"> <b>abolish copyright entirely.</b> </a> [dklevine.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>A far better solution to copyright violations : abolish copyright entirely .
[ dklevine.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A far better solution to copyright violations:  abolish copyright entirely.
[dklevine.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471922</id>
	<title>Account holders aren't gate keepers.</title>
	<author>jabjoe</author>
	<datestamp>1261054260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Account holders aren't gate keepers. You cannot hold them responsible for their internet connection's use any more than you hold a car owner responsible instead of the driver. "Sorry gov, you car was nicked and was used to commit a hit and run, your under arrest". Law cannot work like this. I'm sure one of the politicians isn't tech savy enough to have a secure home network, someone please download something copied via their network, then report what's happened with the politicians home network. I hope I'm misunderstanding this because I'd like to think law makers aren't this stupid.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Account holders are n't gate keepers .
You can not hold them responsible for their internet connection 's use any more than you hold a car owner responsible instead of the driver .
" Sorry gov , you car was nicked and was used to commit a hit and run , your under arrest " .
Law can not work like this .
I 'm sure one of the politicians is n't tech savy enough to have a secure home network , someone please download something copied via their network , then report what 's happened with the politicians home network .
I hope I 'm misunderstanding this because I 'd like to think law makers are n't this stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Account holders aren't gate keepers.
You cannot hold them responsible for their internet connection's use any more than you hold a car owner responsible instead of the driver.
"Sorry gov, you car was nicked and was used to commit a hit and run, your under arrest".
Law cannot work like this.
I'm sure one of the politicians isn't tech savy enough to have a secure home network, someone please download something copied via their network, then report what's happened with the politicians home network.
I hope I'm misunderstanding this because I'd like to think law makers aren't this stupid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30473210</id>
	<title>Re:Aw, piss.</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1261064700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight\_of\_the\_Conchords\_(TV\_series)" title="wikipedia.org">Flight of the Conchords</a> [wikipedia.org] taught me nothing else, it's that New Zealand finally got dial-up modems for their Commodore 64's a couple of years ago. Also, they have sheep.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If Flight of the Conchords [ wikipedia.org ] taught me nothing else , it 's that New Zealand finally got dial-up modems for their Commodore 64 's a couple of years ago .
Also , they have sheep .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Flight of the Conchords [wikipedia.org] taught me nothing else, it's that New Zealand finally got dial-up modems for their Commodore 64's a couple of years ago.
Also, they have sheep.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470858</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471042</id>
	<title>Dammit, not again!</title>
	<author>dafing</author>
	<datestamp>1261045860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've hit pause on all my torrents<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've hit pause on all my torrents : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've hit pause on all my torrents :(</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30475736</id>
	<title>Re:Aw, piss.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261075260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny that you should mention sheeple in reference to New Zealand...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny that you should mention sheeple in reference to New Zealand.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny that you should mention sheeple in reference to New Zealand...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471290</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30475848</id>
	<title>Re:Better than the UK</title>
	<author>Cassini2</author>
	<datestamp>1261075680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you were a business, any employee doing unauthorized activity could shut you down.  That wouldn't be nice.
</p><p>Actually, a few summer students could conceivably take out the government's ISP connection.  That would be funny<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you were a business , any employee doing unauthorized activity could shut you down .
That would n't be nice .
Actually , a few summer students could conceivably take out the government 's ISP connection .
That would be funny .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you were a business, any employee doing unauthorized activity could shut you down.
That wouldn't be nice.
Actually, a few summer students could conceivably take out the government's ISP connection.
That would be funny ...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470904</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30476734</id>
	<title>good call there HD chanels suck there</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261079100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There goes any hope of migrating to New Zealand once I become financially independent.</p></div><p>good call there HD channels suck there</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There goes any hope of migrating to New Zealand once I become financially independent.good call there HD channels suck there</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There goes any hope of migrating to New Zealand once I become financially independent.good call there HD channels suck there
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470858</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30472862</id>
	<title>Sippenhaft FTW!</title>
	<author>AlgorithMan</author>
	<datestamp>1261062900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sippenhaft" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sippenhaft</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sippenhaft [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sippenhaft [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471524</id>
	<title>Re:$15,000NZ is just the maximum</title>
	<author>wvmarle</author>
	<datestamp>1261050180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now I'm not sure if it's a fine (which I'd expect is payable to the court or the government), or a penalty (payable to the rights holder whose rights have been infringed). TFS and TFA use both terms.
</p><p>Anyway keeping those penalties at relative low level (though NZ$15,000 is a lot of money for most people) there is a good chance that the cost of the rights holders per case is similar to the settlement they could get. Especially if a hearing is requested and lawyers are needed. That should be a great deterrent against abuse. Also they appear to have to prove that there is a lot of damage before they can even get that much.
</p><p>And in case the penalty is "just" disconnection, then the rights holders don't get anything. They still have their cost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now I 'm not sure if it 's a fine ( which I 'd expect is payable to the court or the government ) , or a penalty ( payable to the rights holder whose rights have been infringed ) .
TFS and TFA use both terms .
Anyway keeping those penalties at relative low level ( though NZ $ 15,000 is a lot of money for most people ) there is a good chance that the cost of the rights holders per case is similar to the settlement they could get .
Especially if a hearing is requested and lawyers are needed .
That should be a great deterrent against abuse .
Also they appear to have to prove that there is a lot of damage before they can even get that much .
And in case the penalty is " just " disconnection , then the rights holders do n't get anything .
They still have their cost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now I'm not sure if it's a fine (which I'd expect is payable to the court or the government), or a penalty (payable to the rights holder whose rights have been infringed).
TFS and TFA use both terms.
Anyway keeping those penalties at relative low level (though NZ$15,000 is a lot of money for most people) there is a good chance that the cost of the rights holders per case is similar to the settlement they could get.
Especially if a hearing is requested and lawyers are needed.
That should be a great deterrent against abuse.
Also they appear to have to prove that there is a lot of damage before they can even get that much.
And in case the penalty is "just" disconnection, then the rights holders don't get anything.
They still have their cost.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471108</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471814</id>
	<title>Re:Wi-Fi FTW?</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1261053000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you consider the shutting down of deliberately left open WiFi Access points that increase your roaming ability a good thing, then you're right.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you consider the shutting down of deliberately left open WiFi Access points that increase your roaming ability a good thing , then you 're right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you consider the shutting down of deliberately left open WiFi Access points that increase your roaming ability a good thing, then you're right.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470946</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471186</id>
	<title>Re:Time a truly anonymous network for P2P</title>
	<author>IgnoramusMaximus</author>
	<datestamp>1261047120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, the point of such a thing would be that it is not possible to ban/detect without also banning any and all VPN, HTTPS, TLS and other "legit" Internet traffic. A properly designed successor to BitTorrent, Gnutella, Usenet, Freenet and Tor would by definition require banning of the whole Internet to stop it.
</p><p>Not that the villains known as politicians and "lawmakers" won't eventually try that too, this whole actual (as opposed to being-paid-pompous-lip-service-to-but-in-practice-next-to-impossible) "freedom of information" basic-element-of-democracy thing has been a thorn in their sides from the get go. They and similarly interested big-media and big "entertainment" mega-corps would like their control of the narrative back, thank you very much, even if it somehow involves our dead bodies as one of the steps to get there. And the sooner we get to the ammo-boxes stage of the "boxes-of-change" sequence the more likely things will be decided one way or the other for better or worse, this of course amongst many other pending outrages and societal devolutions that have been galloping ahead of late heading in the same general direction of utter tyrannical dystopia or general bloodshed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , the point of such a thing would be that it is not possible to ban/detect without also banning any and all VPN , HTTPS , TLS and other " legit " Internet traffic .
A properly designed successor to BitTorrent , Gnutella , Usenet , Freenet and Tor would by definition require banning of the whole Internet to stop it .
Not that the villains known as politicians and " lawmakers " wo n't eventually try that too , this whole actual ( as opposed to being-paid-pompous-lip-service-to-but-in-practice-next-to-impossible ) " freedom of information " basic-element-of-democracy thing has been a thorn in their sides from the get go .
They and similarly interested big-media and big " entertainment " mega-corps would like their control of the narrative back , thank you very much , even if it somehow involves our dead bodies as one of the steps to get there .
And the sooner we get to the ammo-boxes stage of the " boxes-of-change " sequence the more likely things will be decided one way or the other for better or worse , this of course amongst many other pending outrages and societal devolutions that have been galloping ahead of late heading in the same general direction of utter tyrannical dystopia or general bloodshed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, the point of such a thing would be that it is not possible to ban/detect without also banning any and all VPN, HTTPS, TLS and other "legit" Internet traffic.
A properly designed successor to BitTorrent, Gnutella, Usenet, Freenet and Tor would by definition require banning of the whole Internet to stop it.
Not that the villains known as politicians and "lawmakers" won't eventually try that too, this whole actual (as opposed to being-paid-pompous-lip-service-to-but-in-practice-next-to-impossible) "freedom of information" basic-element-of-democracy thing has been a thorn in their sides from the get go.
They and similarly interested big-media and big "entertainment" mega-corps would like their control of the narrative back, thank you very much, even if it somehow involves our dead bodies as one of the steps to get there.
And the sooner we get to the ammo-boxes stage of the "boxes-of-change" sequence the more likely things will be decided one way or the other for better or worse, this of course amongst many other pending outrages and societal devolutions that have been galloping ahead of late heading in the same general direction of utter tyrannical dystopia or general bloodshed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470858</id>
	<title>Aw, piss.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261044120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There goes any hope of migrating to New Zealand once I become financially independent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There goes any hope of migrating to New Zealand once I become financially independent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There goes any hope of migrating to New Zealand once I become financially independent.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470904</id>
	<title>Better than the UK</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261044660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On the face of it, this at least looks better than the UK law. Over here they want to make it three accusations and you're out. At least the New Zealand law is back up by due process and has to be done by a tribunal.</p><p>On the down side, I guess it is tied to the account owner rather than the person who did it, which could lead to parents taking the punishment because of their kids.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On the face of it , this at least looks better than the UK law .
Over here they want to make it three accusations and you 're out .
At least the New Zealand law is back up by due process and has to be done by a tribunal.On the down side , I guess it is tied to the account owner rather than the person who did it , which could lead to parents taking the punishment because of their kids .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the face of it, this at least looks better than the UK law.
Over here they want to make it three accusations and you're out.
At least the New Zealand law is back up by due process and has to be done by a tribunal.On the down side, I guess it is tied to the account owner rather than the person who did it, which could lead to parents taking the punishment because of their kids.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471576</id>
	<title>Re:$15,000NZ is just the maximum</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261050600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>although organisations like the Creative Freedom Foundation are pushing to have this addressed before it becomes law.</p></div></blockquote><p>Thanks for helping spread the word NimbleSquirrel<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)  (I'm from the CFF)

See my other post in this thread for a bullet point of the issues that surround the new proposal.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>although organisations like the Creative Freedom Foundation are pushing to have this addressed before it becomes law.Thanks for helping spread the word NimbleSquirrel : ) ( I 'm from the CFF ) See my other post in this thread for a bullet point of the issues that surround the new proposal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>although organisations like the Creative Freedom Foundation are pushing to have this addressed before it becomes law.Thanks for helping spread the word NimbleSquirrel :)  (I'm from the CFF)

See my other post in this thread for a bullet point of the issues that surround the new proposal.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30472900</id>
	<title>OT Emigrating to NZ?</title>
	<author>shovas</author>
	<datestamp>1261063200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've long been enamored with and have long wanted to emigrate to New Zealand and, in spite of this story, I'm still interested in getting down there.</p><p>I have a lot of web resources about emigrating but I can't for the life of me figure out how to move there and be sure I'll have a job when I get there (I'm a developer / sysadmin). I don't see a lot of tech jobs so I have no confidence about initiating a process to move there.</p><p>If you're from New Zealand, what is the best chance of success for emigrating?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've long been enamored with and have long wanted to emigrate to New Zealand and , in spite of this story , I 'm still interested in getting down there.I have a lot of web resources about emigrating but I ca n't for the life of me figure out how to move there and be sure I 'll have a job when I get there ( I 'm a developer / sysadmin ) .
I do n't see a lot of tech jobs so I have no confidence about initiating a process to move there.If you 're from New Zealand , what is the best chance of success for emigrating ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've long been enamored with and have long wanted to emigrate to New Zealand and, in spite of this story, I'm still interested in getting down there.I have a lot of web resources about emigrating but I can't for the life of me figure out how to move there and be sure I'll have a job when I get there (I'm a developer / sysadmin).
I don't see a lot of tech jobs so I have no confidence about initiating a process to move there.If you're from New Zealand, what is the best chance of success for emigrating?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30477388</id>
	<title>Re:wut?</title>
	<author>dotgain</author>
	<datestamp>1261081500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Stop reading NZHerald and stop watching the televised news.  That'll give you a lot more time to follow other news sources.  To get more information about what the actual <b>government</b> is up to, follow the website of the <b>opposition</b> party.  Admittedly there's a lot more wailing and hype, but they get a lot closer to the truth than the kids at nzherald.<p>
NZHerald is not a newspaper, they're a distributor of press-releases. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stop reading NZHerald and stop watching the televised news .
That 'll give you a lot more time to follow other news sources .
To get more information about what the actual government is up to , follow the website of the opposition party .
Admittedly there 's a lot more wailing and hype , but they get a lot closer to the truth than the kids at nzherald .
NZHerald is not a newspaper , they 're a distributor of press-releases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stop reading NZHerald and stop watching the televised news.
That'll give you a lot more time to follow other news sources.
To get more information about what the actual government is up to, follow the website of the opposition party.
Admittedly there's a lot more wailing and hype, but they get a lot closer to the truth than the kids at nzherald.
NZHerald is not a newspaper, they're a distributor of press-releases. </sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471132</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30477342</id>
	<title>Re:Aw, piss.</title>
	<author>BatGnat</author>
	<datestamp>1261081320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just move next door to someone with unsecured WiFi, it says the account holder will be held accountable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just move next door to someone with unsecured WiFi , it says the account holder will be held accountable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just move next door to someone with unsecured WiFi, it says the account holder will be held accountable.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470858</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471532</id>
	<title>'Downloading' quite a broad term</title>
	<author>Norsefire</author>
	<datestamp>1261050300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Assume you write up a generic example of a "letter to a member of parliament". You know, with the usual fluff people include in them. Then publish it on the internet with all rights reserved. Then a friend of yours, who has no rights to redistribute the work, emails it to members of parliament. They open their email client in the morning and bam, they have just downloaded illegally distributed copyright-infringing material. Which is why a law like this cannot work, target the distributors not the receivers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Assume you write up a generic example of a " letter to a member of parliament " .
You know , with the usual fluff people include in them .
Then publish it on the internet with all rights reserved .
Then a friend of yours , who has no rights to redistribute the work , emails it to members of parliament .
They open their email client in the morning and bam , they have just downloaded illegally distributed copyright-infringing material .
Which is why a law like this can not work , target the distributors not the receivers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Assume you write up a generic example of a "letter to a member of parliament".
You know, with the usual fluff people include in them.
Then publish it on the internet with all rights reserved.
Then a friend of yours, who has no rights to redistribute the work, emails it to members of parliament.
They open their email client in the morning and bam, they have just downloaded illegally distributed copyright-infringing material.
Which is why a law like this cannot work, target the distributors not the receivers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30472252</id>
	<title>Hack the law makers' wifi</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261057560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; The law specifies that the account holder himself is responsible for what is downloaded via the account, and doesn't make allowances for identifying the actual copyright infringer...</p><p>It just takes three times of parking outside the houses of the law makers who voted for this, hack their wifi and download copyrighted material.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; The law specifies that the account holder himself is responsible for what is downloaded via the account , and does n't make allowances for identifying the actual copyright infringer...It just takes three times of parking outside the houses of the law makers who voted for this , hack their wifi and download copyrighted material .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; The law specifies that the account holder himself is responsible for what is downloaded via the account, and doesn't make allowances for identifying the actual copyright infringer...It just takes three times of parking outside the houses of the law makers who voted for this, hack their wifi and download copyrighted material.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30472048</id>
	<title>Re:$15,000NZ is just the maximum</title>
	<author>ignavus</author>
	<datestamp>1261055520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least in Australia, a "tribunal" is not a judicial body (a court of law), but a "quasi-judicial" body presided over by a lawyer or some similar person without tenure.</p><p>However, it is not uncommon for tribunal decisions to be subject to appeal to a "real" court.</p><p>I don't know the details of the NZ copyright tribunal, but it sounds better than "three complaints and you're out". At least, with a tribunal, it will be "three <em>upheld</em> complaints and you're out".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least in Australia , a " tribunal " is not a judicial body ( a court of law ) , but a " quasi-judicial " body presided over by a lawyer or some similar person without tenure.However , it is not uncommon for tribunal decisions to be subject to appeal to a " real " court.I do n't know the details of the NZ copyright tribunal , but it sounds better than " three complaints and you 're out " .
At least , with a tribunal , it will be " three upheld complaints and you 're out " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least in Australia, a "tribunal" is not a judicial body (a court of law), but a "quasi-judicial" body presided over by a lawyer or some similar person without tenure.However, it is not uncommon for tribunal decisions to be subject to appeal to a "real" court.I don't know the details of the NZ copyright tribunal, but it sounds better than "three complaints and you're out".
At least, with a tribunal, it will be "three upheld complaints and you're out".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471108</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30472496</id>
	<title>Re:Aw, piss.</title>
	<author>PopeRatzo</author>
	<datestamp>1261060380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait a minute.  When did New Zealand get the internet?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait a minute .
When did New Zealand get the internet ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait a minute.
When did New Zealand get the internet?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470858</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471170</id>
	<title>Re:Time a truly anonymous network for P2P</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261047060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They do exist but the problem with anonymous networks is that they are not as easily accessible and therefore have less uploaders. It can be hard to find what you are looking for and when you do it's awfully slow. This is enough to deter most casual downloaders who would just spend the money because it's easier. Although I don't have the stats to back it up, I'd guess that these downloaders make up a good sized majority. That is a significant victory for the ant-p2p groups.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They do exist but the problem with anonymous networks is that they are not as easily accessible and therefore have less uploaders .
It can be hard to find what you are looking for and when you do it 's awfully slow .
This is enough to deter most casual downloaders who would just spend the money because it 's easier .
Although I do n't have the stats to back it up , I 'd guess that these downloaders make up a good sized majority .
That is a significant victory for the ant-p2p groups .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They do exist but the problem with anonymous networks is that they are not as easily accessible and therefore have less uploaders.
It can be hard to find what you are looking for and when you do it's awfully slow.
This is enough to deter most casual downloaders who would just spend the money because it's easier.
Although I don't have the stats to back it up, I'd guess that these downloaders make up a good sized majority.
That is a significant victory for the ant-p2p groups.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470986</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30479042</id>
	<title>Re:Time a truly anonymous network for P2P</title>
	<author>AaronMK</author>
	<datestamp>1261044240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even on an anonymous P2P network, the data must make one last hop, and be decrypted into its original form after that hop.  That makes the account holder of that last hop node a clear distributor, even if they don't know it, and even if it is small pieces.</p><p>The account holder is responsible for other peoples' uses of his account. That could just as easily be interpreted to include users of a P2P node transmitting and receiving via that account as it could to include users of a router on that account.  I suspect this "ignorance" defense is part of what they are trying to avoid.  The account holder is essentially stripped of "safe harbor" protections.  Of course, the entertainment industry does not care about the burden this places on account holders, nor the other ramifications.  No cost is too great when plugging potential distribution holes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even on an anonymous P2P network , the data must make one last hop , and be decrypted into its original form after that hop .
That makes the account holder of that last hop node a clear distributor , even if they do n't know it , and even if it is small pieces.The account holder is responsible for other peoples ' uses of his account .
That could just as easily be interpreted to include users of a P2P node transmitting and receiving via that account as it could to include users of a router on that account .
I suspect this " ignorance " defense is part of what they are trying to avoid .
The account holder is essentially stripped of " safe harbor " protections .
Of course , the entertainment industry does not care about the burden this places on account holders , nor the other ramifications .
No cost is too great when plugging potential distribution holes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even on an anonymous P2P network, the data must make one last hop, and be decrypted into its original form after that hop.
That makes the account holder of that last hop node a clear distributor, even if they don't know it, and even if it is small pieces.The account holder is responsible for other peoples' uses of his account.
That could just as easily be interpreted to include users of a P2P node transmitting and receiving via that account as it could to include users of a router on that account.
I suspect this "ignorance" defense is part of what they are trying to avoid.
The account holder is essentially stripped of "safe harbor" protections.
Of course, the entertainment industry does not care about the burden this places on account holders, nor the other ramifications.
No cost is too great when plugging potential distribution holes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470986</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471302</id>
	<title>Re:Aw, piss.</title>
	<author>El Jynx</author>
	<datestamp>1261048380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know, that's a VERY strong point. I've been planning the same thing. We currently manage several server farms in Europe, so it would be ideal to live in N-Z and manage them remotely - work hours there are nighttime here, so server management doesn't bug users - but I'm not going to move down there if there's a chance some employee fucknut decides to download a few seasons of House and snowballs our internet connection. This is NOT a good idea for their economy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , that 's a VERY strong point .
I 've been planning the same thing .
We currently manage several server farms in Europe , so it would be ideal to live in N-Z and manage them remotely - work hours there are nighttime here , so server management does n't bug users - but I 'm not going to move down there if there 's a chance some employee fucknut decides to download a few seasons of House and snowballs our internet connection .
This is NOT a good idea for their economy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, that's a VERY strong point.
I've been planning the same thing.
We currently manage several server farms in Europe, so it would be ideal to live in N-Z and manage them remotely - work hours there are nighttime here, so server management doesn't bug users - but I'm not going to move down there if there's a chance some employee fucknut decides to download a few seasons of House and snowballs our internet connection.
This is NOT a good idea for their economy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470858</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30484706</id>
	<title>Ah New Zealand...</title>
	<author>the\_arrow</author>
	<datestamp>1261130160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Land of beautifull nature, Peter Jackson and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Devil\_Dared\_Me\_To" title="wikipedia.org">crazy stuntmen</a> [wikipedia.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Land of beautifull nature , Peter Jackson and crazy stuntmen [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Land of beautifull nature, Peter Jackson and crazy stuntmen [wikipedia.org].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471598</id>
	<title>Re:$15,000NZ is just the maximum</title>
	<author>holloway</author>
	<datestamp>1261050720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mblockquote&gt;although organisations like the Creative Freedom Foundation are pushing to have this addressed before it becomes law.<p>Thanks for helping spread the word NimbleSquirrel<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) (I'm from the CFF) See my other post in this thread for a bullet point of the issues that surround the new proposal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mblockquote &gt; although organisations like the Creative Freedom Foundation are pushing to have this addressed before it becomes law.Thanks for helping spread the word NimbleSquirrel : ) ( I 'm from the CFF ) See my other post in this thread for a bullet point of the issues that surround the new proposal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mblockquote&gt;although organisations like the Creative Freedom Foundation are pushing to have this addressed before it becomes law.Thanks for helping spread the word NimbleSquirrel :) (I'm from the CFF) See my other post in this thread for a bullet point of the issues that surround the new proposal.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471108</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471764</id>
	<title>Re:Time a truly anonymous network for P2P</title>
	<author>kenshin33</author>
	<datestamp>1261052640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>what's the point in paying a dead man ????</htmltext>
<tokenext>what 's the point in paying a dead man ? ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what's the point in paying a dead man ???
?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471280</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471344</id>
	<title>'Tribunal'</title>
	<author>dugeen</author>
	<datestamp>1261048680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So what is the status of this 'tribunal'? The ones proposed in the UK equivalent won't be proper courts - I hope for the NZers' sake that their tribunal is different.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So what is the status of this 'tribunal ' ?
The ones proposed in the UK equivalent wo n't be proper courts - I hope for the NZers ' sake that their tribunal is different .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what is the status of this 'tribunal'?
The ones proposed in the UK equivalent won't be proper courts - I hope for the NZers' sake that their tribunal is different.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470986</id>
	<title>Time a truly anonymous network for P2P</title>
	<author>AbRASiON</author>
	<datestamp>1261045440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does this exist yet? We need a truly anonymous network for P2P transactions, even if it is slower, being free would be nice too.<br>(although sadly, I can imagine our pals the kiddie porn crew making use of it and having whatever it is, outlawed)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this exist yet ?
We need a truly anonymous network for P2P transactions , even if it is slower , being free would be nice too .
( although sadly , I can imagine our pals the kiddie porn crew making use of it and having whatever it is , outlawed )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this exist yet?
We need a truly anonymous network for P2P transactions, even if it is slower, being free would be nice too.
(although sadly, I can imagine our pals the kiddie porn crew making use of it and having whatever it is, outlawed)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30473240</id>
	<title>Re:Better than the UK</title>
	<author>daveime</author>
	<datestamp>1261064820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>which could lead to parents taking the punishment because of their kids.</i></p><p>And that would *never* do<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... fancy having to be *responsible* for your own children !!! What is the world coming to ???</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>which could lead to parents taking the punishment because of their kids.And that would * never * do ... fancy having to be * responsible * for your own children ! ! !
What is the world coming to ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>which could lead to parents taking the punishment because of their kids.And that would *never* do ... fancy having to be *responsible* for your own children !!!
What is the world coming to ??
?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470904</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471544</id>
	<title>I don't understand?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261050360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why are we introducing law that enforces control of a product produced by a predominantly overseas industry? Shouldn't the wishes and rights of Kiwis come before the rights of an overseas entity that wants us to keep sending our cash over to them, even though their business model is slowly but surely becoming defunct?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why are we introducing law that enforces control of a product produced by a predominantly overseas industry ?
Should n't the wishes and rights of Kiwis come before the rights of an overseas entity that wants us to keep sending our cash over to them , even though their business model is slowly but surely becoming defunct ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why are we introducing law that enforces control of a product produced by a predominantly overseas industry?
Shouldn't the wishes and rights of Kiwis come before the rights of an overseas entity that wants us to keep sending our cash over to them, even though their business model is slowly but surely becoming defunct?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471132</id>
	<title>wut?</title>
	<author>sifRAWR</author>
	<datestamp>1261046640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why did I find out about this via slashdot before I find out via local news?
Government thinking of telling people? Or am I actually under a rock. (Entirely possible however.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why did I find out about this via slashdot before I find out via local news ?
Government thinking of telling people ?
Or am I actually under a rock .
( Entirely possible however .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why did I find out about this via slashdot before I find out via local news?
Government thinking of telling people?
Or am I actually under a rock.
(Entirely possible however.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470924</id>
	<title>Re:Aw, piss.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261044780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh don't worry. THEY will lobby/bribe 3 strikes laws into existence pretty much everywhere. Won't be a reason not to move anywhere, because everybody will have one.</p><p>Sure, they might encounter some resistance but they'll try until they will succeed; see France and New Sealand and Britain and so on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh do n't worry .
THEY will lobby/bribe 3 strikes laws into existence pretty much everywhere .
Wo n't be a reason not to move anywhere , because everybody will have one.Sure , they might encounter some resistance but they 'll try until they will succeed ; see France and New Sealand and Britain and so on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh don't worry.
THEY will lobby/bribe 3 strikes laws into existence pretty much everywhere.
Won't be a reason not to move anywhere, because everybody will have one.Sure, they might encounter some resistance but they'll try until they will succeed; see France and New Sealand and Britain and so on.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470858</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471300</id>
	<title>Re:Better than the UK</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261048380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; and has to be done by a tribunal.</p><p>A special copyright tribunal, as I understand it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; and has to be done by a tribunal.A special copyright tribunal , as I understand it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; and has to be done by a tribunal.A special copyright tribunal, as I understand it?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470904</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471596</id>
	<title>Re:I don't know about that..</title>
	<author>kramulous</author>
	<datestamp>1261050720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, agreed.  To pass up an opportunity to use "funbags" verges on criminal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , agreed .
To pass up an opportunity to use " funbags " verges on criminal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, agreed.
To pass up an opportunity to use "funbags" verges on criminal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470900</id>
	<title>Re:Aw, piss.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261044600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wait, so you don't want to come here because of the increased risk you will get caught violating copyrights? The nerve of some countries.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , so you do n't want to come here because of the increased risk you will get caught violating copyrights ?
The nerve of some countries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, so you don't want to come here because of the increased risk you will get caught violating copyrights?
The nerve of some countries.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470858</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471280</id>
	<title>Re:Time a truly anonymous network for P2P</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261048260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like the fact that arrogant thieving cunts like you never realise that this is time to actually start fucking paying content creators for their work. Oh noes! much more important to find a more convoluted way to fucking leech off the people who actually pay their way.</p><p>You sad little piece of shit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like the fact that arrogant thieving cunts like you never realise that this is time to actually start fucking paying content creators for their work .
Oh noes !
much more important to find a more convoluted way to fucking leech off the people who actually pay their way.You sad little piece of shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like the fact that arrogant thieving cunts like you never realise that this is time to actually start fucking paying content creators for their work.
Oh noes!
much more important to find a more convoluted way to fucking leech off the people who actually pay their way.You sad little piece of shit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470986</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471024</id>
	<title>Horribly biased, unfair legislation</title>
	<author>Rogerborg</author>
	<datestamp>1261045740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm damn sure that if I found some ripping off my work(*), that I wouldn't want to be reduced to sending them three "Pretty please stop" letters before finally being given the chance to inconvenience them temporarily.

</p><p>Clearly the NZ government is heavily biased in favour of the leechers and pirates, and hates rights owners with a passion.

</p><p>(*) Work is something that you produce in return for renumeration, once you move out of your parents' basement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm damn sure that if I found some ripping off my work ( * ) , that I would n't want to be reduced to sending them three " Pretty please stop " letters before finally being given the chance to inconvenience them temporarily .
Clearly the NZ government is heavily biased in favour of the leechers and pirates , and hates rights owners with a passion .
( * ) Work is something that you produce in return for renumeration , once you move out of your parents ' basement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm damn sure that if I found some ripping off my work(*), that I wouldn't want to be reduced to sending them three "Pretty please stop" letters before finally being given the chance to inconvenience them temporarily.
Clearly the NZ government is heavily biased in favour of the leechers and pirates, and hates rights owners with a passion.
(*) Work is something that you produce in return for renumeration, once you move out of your parents' basement.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471038</id>
	<title>Re:Better than the UK</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1261045860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, from what I understand, I kind of like it.  Here in the US, if they catch you once, they will try to pull you into court (or settle for $).  In New Zealand, they have to give you two warnings before they take you in. Plenty of time to change to a more discreet ISP.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , from what I understand , I kind of like it .
Here in the US , if they catch you once , they will try to pull you into court ( or settle for $ ) .
In New Zealand , they have to give you two warnings before they take you in .
Plenty of time to change to a more discreet ISP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, from what I understand, I kind of like it.
Here in the US, if they catch you once, they will try to pull you into court (or settle for $).
In New Zealand, they have to give you two warnings before they take you in.
Plenty of time to change to a more discreet ISP.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470904</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471178</id>
	<title>Re:Time a truly anonymous network for P2P</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261047120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I2P has some decent bittorrent clients running over it's network.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I2P has some decent bittorrent clients running over it 's network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I2P has some decent bittorrent clients running over it's network.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470986</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471050</id>
	<title>Re:Aw, piss.</title>
	<author>mb1</author>
	<datestamp>1261045920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>perhaps when you become financially independent you can pay for all the copyrighted materials you wish to download... and/or buy a shiny new secure wifi access point so that your new neighbours can't leech themselves silly on your connection and blame you.</p><p>or, just move here and take two strikes... then move somewhere else<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>perhaps when you become financially independent you can pay for all the copyrighted materials you wish to download... and/or buy a shiny new secure wifi access point so that your new neighbours ca n't leech themselves silly on your connection and blame you.or , just move here and take two strikes... then move somewhere else : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>perhaps when you become financially independent you can pay for all the copyrighted materials you wish to download... and/or buy a shiny new secure wifi access point so that your new neighbours can't leech themselves silly on your connection and blame you.or, just move here and take two strikes... then move somewhere else :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470858</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471154</id>
	<title>Hrmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261046820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Next stop Australia.</p><p>*sigh*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Next stop Australia .
* sigh *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Next stop Australia.
*sigh*</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471678</id>
	<title>Absurd</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261051800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The law seems absurd.  What are the penalties for willful ignorance?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The law seems absurd .
What are the penalties for willful ignorance ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The law seems absurd.
What are the penalties for willful ignorance?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470946</id>
	<title>Wi-Fi FTW?</title>
	<author>bugbeak</author>
	<datestamp>1261045020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Guess they'll be seeing increased numbers of appeals where the majority of those disconnected own an access point.</p><p>Which were not password-protected.</p><p>Might see just one good thing come out of this mess.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Guess they 'll be seeing increased numbers of appeals where the majority of those disconnected own an access point.Which were not password-protected.Might see just one good thing come out of this mess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guess they'll be seeing increased numbers of appeals where the majority of those disconnected own an access point.Which were not password-protected.Might see just one good thing come out of this mess.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471258</id>
	<title>I wonder...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261048080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since they don't care about \_who\_ actually downloaded the content only who owns the account and pays the bill for the ISP, could you not use this law against innocent people or as a weapon of choice against your enemies by tapping their wireless networks to download your torrents and media?</p><p>I propose that everyone in NZ goes out and cracks every wireless network they can and do just that, show them the backwards thinking of not caring about going after the actual infringing party but the account owner.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since they do n't care about \ _who \ _ actually downloaded the content only who owns the account and pays the bill for the ISP , could you not use this law against innocent people or as a weapon of choice against your enemies by tapping their wireless networks to download your torrents and media ? I propose that everyone in NZ goes out and cracks every wireless network they can and do just that , show them the backwards thinking of not caring about going after the actual infringing party but the account owner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since they don't care about \_who\_ actually downloaded the content only who owns the account and pays the bill for the ISP, could you not use this law against innocent people or as a weapon of choice against your enemies by tapping their wireless networks to download your torrents and media?I propose that everyone in NZ goes out and cracks every wireless network they can and do just that, show them the backwards thinking of not caring about going after the actual infringing party but the account owner.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30479390</id>
	<title>Re:Hrmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261045440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny, it's usually the other way round, isn't it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny , it 's usually the other way round , is n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny, it's usually the other way round, isn't it?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471154</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471594</id>
	<title>Spying on our traffic?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261050720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What exactly are the ISPs' responsiblities in this new bill in terms of storing, monitoring and reporting on copyright traffic? This is not mentioned in the article and seems like an important gap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What exactly are the ISPs ' responsiblities in this new bill in terms of storing , monitoring and reporting on copyright traffic ?
This is not mentioned in the article and seems like an important gap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What exactly are the ISPs' responsiblities in this new bill in terms of storing, monitoring and reporting on copyright traffic?
This is not mentioned in the article and seems like an important gap.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30482926</id>
	<title>Re:Aw, piss.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261064640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're spot on: a lot of people in Australia and the UK identify NZ as one of the least corrupt wealthy nations. Well we did at least.</p><p>If money creates an inequal democracy, our "leaders" should stop lying to us and just take our vote away.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're spot on : a lot of people in Australia and the UK identify NZ as one of the least corrupt wealthy nations .
Well we did at least.If money creates an inequal democracy , our " leaders " should stop lying to us and just take our vote away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're spot on: a lot of people in Australia and the UK identify NZ as one of the least corrupt wealthy nations.
Well we did at least.If money creates an inequal democracy, our "leaders" should stop lying to us and just take our vote away.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470858</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30472342</id>
	<title>Re:$15,000NZ is just the maximum</title>
	<author>DarkTempes</author>
	<datestamp>1261058820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just to tack on to your points, if it is indeed New Zealand Dollars then the maximum is less than it looks like at first.</p><p>15000 New Zealand dollars = 10822.5 U.S. dollars</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just to tack on to your points , if it is indeed New Zealand Dollars then the maximum is less than it looks like at first.15000 New Zealand dollars = 10822.5 U.S. dollars</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just to tack on to your points, if it is indeed New Zealand Dollars then the maximum is less than it looks like at first.15000 New Zealand dollars = 10822.5 U.S. dollars</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471108</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471098</id>
	<title>I don't know about that..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261046400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The fact that they weren't able to use the word "breasts" in THAT article, to me, implies that New Zeeland is a completely fucked up place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact that they were n't able to use the word " breasts " in THAT article , to me , implies that New Zeeland is a completely fucked up place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact that they weren't able to use the word "breasts" in THAT article, to me, implies that New Zeeland is a completely fucked up place.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470874</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30472096</id>
	<title>chugging semen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261056120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is good for you</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is good for you</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is good for you</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471396</id>
	<title>Typical</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261049100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>New Zealand's law officers have nothing to do so they spend most of their time turning the country into a police state. Nice place, beautiful landscape, so sad about the authorities. I wonder when they will start wearing funny mustaches</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>New Zealand 's law officers have nothing to do so they spend most of their time turning the country into a police state .
Nice place , beautiful landscape , so sad about the authorities .
I wonder when they will start wearing funny mustaches</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New Zealand's law officers have nothing to do so they spend most of their time turning the country into a police state.
Nice place, beautiful landscape, so sad about the authorities.
I wonder when they will start wearing funny mustaches</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471874</id>
	<title>Re:Horribly biased, unfair legislation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261053840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"(*) Work is something that you produce in return for renumeration, once you move out of your parents' basement."<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...and therein lies your FAIL. You do not even know what work is, which does not come as a suprise.</p><p>Work is actually something you do, not something you produce. Something may be produced as a result of work, but it is not itself, work.</p><p>You see, this is the problem with people like yourself, you believe it's acceptable to do a small amount of work to produce something, and then profit off that small amount of work indefinitely without actually doing any real work afterwards, or at least doing so infrequently. You believe that you shouldn't have to do much work but everyone else who does actually work for a living should pay for your lazy lifestyle, you believe they should pay for an amount of work you did some time ago and have already been paid for many times over. No, what you want, is to be paid for doing a little work initially, and then get paid for not doing any work thereafter, you are a scourge on society.</p><p>Don't try and pretend the people on the side of strong copyright are the hard working ones and the pirates are not, that's bollocks. The hard workers are the pirates who do not see why they should have to work 37hrs a week, 5 days a week, every week, so you can work for a few weeks every few years and do nothing in between, living off your copyright.</p><p>If people are pirating your work, then, cry more, do some work they can't pirate, provide a service- sing live, perform continued development or whatever it is you do, actually work for a living.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ( * ) Work is something that you produce in return for renumeration , once you move out of your parents ' basement .
" ...and therein lies your FAIL .
You do not even know what work is , which does not come as a suprise.Work is actually something you do , not something you produce .
Something may be produced as a result of work , but it is not itself , work.You see , this is the problem with people like yourself , you believe it 's acceptable to do a small amount of work to produce something , and then profit off that small amount of work indefinitely without actually doing any real work afterwards , or at least doing so infrequently .
You believe that you should n't have to do much work but everyone else who does actually work for a living should pay for your lazy lifestyle , you believe they should pay for an amount of work you did some time ago and have already been paid for many times over .
No , what you want , is to be paid for doing a little work initially , and then get paid for not doing any work thereafter , you are a scourge on society.Do n't try and pretend the people on the side of strong copyright are the hard working ones and the pirates are not , that 's bollocks .
The hard workers are the pirates who do not see why they should have to work 37hrs a week , 5 days a week , every week , so you can work for a few weeks every few years and do nothing in between , living off your copyright.If people are pirating your work , then , cry more , do some work they ca n't pirate , provide a service- sing live , perform continued development or whatever it is you do , actually work for a living .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"(*) Work is something that you produce in return for renumeration, once you move out of your parents' basement.
" ...and therein lies your FAIL.
You do not even know what work is, which does not come as a suprise.Work is actually something you do, not something you produce.
Something may be produced as a result of work, but it is not itself, work.You see, this is the problem with people like yourself, you believe it's acceptable to do a small amount of work to produce something, and then profit off that small amount of work indefinitely without actually doing any real work afterwards, or at least doing so infrequently.
You believe that you shouldn't have to do much work but everyone else who does actually work for a living should pay for your lazy lifestyle, you believe they should pay for an amount of work you did some time ago and have already been paid for many times over.
No, what you want, is to be paid for doing a little work initially, and then get paid for not doing any work thereafter, you are a scourge on society.Don't try and pretend the people on the side of strong copyright are the hard working ones and the pirates are not, that's bollocks.
The hard workers are the pirates who do not see why they should have to work 37hrs a week, 5 days a week, every week, so you can work for a few weeks every few years and do nothing in between, living off your copyright.If people are pirating your work, then, cry more, do some work they can't pirate, provide a service- sing live, perform continued development or whatever it is you do, actually work for a living.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471024</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30475052</id>
	<title>There are a myriad of systems that already do...</title>
	<author>Assmasher</author>
	<datestamp>1261072260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...exactly this, and have done it for 8 years or more.  Wonder why they're re-inventing the wheel?  It will be painful, I assure you<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...exactly this , and have done it for 8 years or more .
Wonder why they 're re-inventing the wheel ?
It will be painful , I assure you : ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...exactly this, and have done it for 8 years or more.
Wonder why they're re-inventing the wheel?
It will be painful, I assure you :).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471760</id>
	<title>Re:Better than the UK</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1261052640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Tribunal" sounds official and fair, but who said anything about a fair tribunal? A tribunal composed of RIAA shills is not a fair trial. It's more like a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's\_Court\_(Germany)" title="wikipedia.org">German Volksgerichtshof</a> [wikipedia.org] was.</p><p>Yeah, yeah, Godwin me. It's apt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Tribunal " sounds official and fair , but who said anything about a fair tribunal ?
A tribunal composed of RIAA shills is not a fair trial .
It 's more like a German Volksgerichtshof [ wikipedia.org ] was.Yeah , yeah , Godwin me .
It 's apt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Tribunal" sounds official and fair, but who said anything about a fair tribunal?
A tribunal composed of RIAA shills is not a fair trial.
It's more like a German Volksgerichtshof [wikipedia.org] was.Yeah, yeah, Godwin me.
It's apt.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470904</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30480360</id>
	<title>Re:wut?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261049340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why did I find out about this via slashdot before I find out via local news?<br>Government thinking of telling people? Or am I actually under a rock. (Entirely possible however.)</p></div><p>it was on <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/3167690/Govt-reveals-revamped-Section-92A" title="stuff.co.nz" rel="nofollow">stuff.co.nz</a> [stuff.co.nz] a couple of days ago.</p><p>If you're on Facebook, you should join the Creative Freedom Foundation group - they mentioned it less than an hour after this new draft legislation was announced.</p><p>If anything I'm surprised it took Slashdot this long!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why did I find out about this via slashdot before I find out via local news ? Government thinking of telling people ?
Or am I actually under a rock .
( Entirely possible however .
) it was on stuff.co.nz [ stuff.co.nz ] a couple of days ago.If you 're on Facebook , you should join the Creative Freedom Foundation group - they mentioned it less than an hour after this new draft legislation was announced.If anything I 'm surprised it took Slashdot this long !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why did I find out about this via slashdot before I find out via local news?Government thinking of telling people?
Or am I actually under a rock.
(Entirely possible however.
)it was on stuff.co.nz [stuff.co.nz] a couple of days ago.If you're on Facebook, you should join the Creative Freedom Foundation group - they mentioned it less than an hour after this new draft legislation was announced.If anything I'm surprised it took Slashdot this long!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471132</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470894</id>
	<title>VPN</title>
	<author>your\_neighbor</author>
	<datestamp>1261044600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is always a bigger fish.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is always a bigger fish .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is always a bigger fish.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471518</id>
	<title>I have this sour taste in my mouth...</title>
	<author>MindPrison</author>
	<datestamp>1261050120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..you know what? I'm one of those honest dufuses that actually purchase music, dvds, blu-rays and games legally, and have done so most of my life. Other than that - I use Open Source a lot, and basically all the alternatives to the commercial software.</p><p>But hearing about 3 strikes, and the HATRED and witch hunt on ordinary people all the time, makes me think - am I the only one thinking...soon I'm not going to give a f*ck and just pirate the hell out of them just because I can?</p><p>If they keep this up - I'm telling you...they're digging their own grave!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..you know what ?
I 'm one of those honest dufuses that actually purchase music , dvds , blu-rays and games legally , and have done so most of my life .
Other than that - I use Open Source a lot , and basically all the alternatives to the commercial software.But hearing about 3 strikes , and the HATRED and witch hunt on ordinary people all the time , makes me think - am I the only one thinking...soon I 'm not going to give a f * ck and just pirate the hell out of them just because I can ? If they keep this up - I 'm telling you...they 're digging their own grave !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..you know what?
I'm one of those honest dufuses that actually purchase music, dvds, blu-rays and games legally, and have done so most of my life.
Other than that - I use Open Source a lot, and basically all the alternatives to the commercial software.But hearing about 3 strikes, and the HATRED and witch hunt on ordinary people all the time, makes me think - am I the only one thinking...soon I'm not going to give a f*ck and just pirate the hell out of them just because I can?If they keep this up - I'm telling you...they're digging their own grave!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471108</id>
	<title>$15,000NZ is just the maximum</title>
	<author>NimbleSquirrel</author>
	<datestamp>1261046460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually the $15,000NZ and the six month disconnection are just the maximums the Copyright Tribunal can hand down. The summary makes it seem like they are the default judgements: they aren't. Rights holders will need to prove that they were damaged severly to get awarded this. Really, the maximum penalty of $15,000NZ for effectively three infringements is tiny compared to judgements in the US against people like Jammie Thomas.
<br> <br>
As much as I despise three strikes laws like this, at least this legislation has judicial oversight and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. As I understand, there will be a fee associated fo lodging and infringement notice, so it won't be a free for all for the MPAA or RIAA (or their NZ counterparts). However, penalties for false notices haven't been addressed yet, although organisations like the <a href="http://creativefreedom.org.nz/" title="creativefreedom.org.nz">Creative Freedom Foundation</a> [creativefreedom.org.nz] are pushing to have this addressed before it becomes law.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually the $ 15,000NZ and the six month disconnection are just the maximums the Copyright Tribunal can hand down .
The summary makes it seem like they are the default judgements : they are n't .
Rights holders will need to prove that they were damaged severly to get awarded this .
Really , the maximum penalty of $ 15,000NZ for effectively three infringements is tiny compared to judgements in the US against people like Jammie Thomas .
As much as I despise three strikes laws like this , at least this legislation has judicial oversight and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty .
As I understand , there will be a fee associated fo lodging and infringement notice , so it wo n't be a free for all for the MPAA or RIAA ( or their NZ counterparts ) .
However , penalties for false notices have n't been addressed yet , although organisations like the Creative Freedom Foundation [ creativefreedom.org.nz ] are pushing to have this addressed before it becomes law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually the $15,000NZ and the six month disconnection are just the maximums the Copyright Tribunal can hand down.
The summary makes it seem like they are the default judgements: they aren't.
Rights holders will need to prove that they were damaged severly to get awarded this.
Really, the maximum penalty of $15,000NZ for effectively three infringements is tiny compared to judgements in the US against people like Jammie Thomas.
As much as I despise three strikes laws like this, at least this legislation has judicial oversight and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.
As I understand, there will be a fee associated fo lodging and infringement notice, so it won't be a free for all for the MPAA or RIAA (or their NZ counterparts).
However, penalties for false notices haven't been addressed yet, although organisations like the Creative Freedom Foundation [creativefreedom.org.nz] are pushing to have this addressed before it becomes law.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30475510</id>
	<title>Re:Aw, piss.</title>
	<author>gardel999</author>
	<datestamp>1261074300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Gotta have sheep porn.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Got ta have sheep porn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gotta have sheep porn.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30472496</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30477602</id>
	<title>Re:VPN</title>
	<author>w0mprat</author>
	<datestamp>1261082220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, please don't us VPNs to continue your piracy. There may be a day that merely encrypting traffic puts you under suspiction if not automatic guilt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , please do n't us VPNs to continue your piracy .
There may be a day that merely encrypting traffic puts you under suspiction if not automatic guilt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, please don't us VPNs to continue your piracy.
There may be a day that merely encrypting traffic puts you under suspiction if not automatic guilt.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470894</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471288</id>
	<title>Dear Law Makers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261048320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dear Law Makers,</p><p>Fuck you.</p><p>Sincerely,<br>People on the Internet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear Law Makers,Fuck you.Sincerely,People on the Internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear Law Makers,Fuck you.Sincerely,People on the Internet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471948</id>
	<title>Easy way to shut down Google</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261054500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Given that companies such as Google is caching copyrighted material several zillion times a second this new law could be a good way for those who don't like Google to get it kicked off the internet.</p><p>Or is the law designed to give rights to and protections to corporations that are not available to mere people?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given that companies such as Google is caching copyrighted material several zillion times a second this new law could be a good way for those who do n't like Google to get it kicked off the internet.Or is the law designed to give rights to and protections to corporations that are not available to mere people ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given that companies such as Google is caching copyrighted material several zillion times a second this new law could be a good way for those who don't like Google to get it kicked off the internet.Or is the law designed to give rights to and protections to corporations that are not available to mere people?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470874</id>
	<title>Re:Aw, piss.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261044360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wouldn't give up on NZ so easily. The place does <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/16/traffic\_incident/" title="theregister.co.uk">have its moments</a> [theregister.co.uk].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't give up on NZ so easily .
The place does have its moments [ theregister.co.uk ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't give up on NZ so easily.
The place does have its moments [theregister.co.uk].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470858</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30472378</id>
	<title>Seriously though...</title>
	<author>Joce640k</author>
	<datestamp>1261059120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How hard can it be to stop doing it after you've been hauled before two tribunals?</p><p>You *are* breaking the law....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How hard can it be to stop doing it after you 've been hauled before two tribunals ? You * are * breaking the law... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How hard can it be to stop doing it after you've been hauled before two tribunals?You *are* breaking the law....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470858</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470934</id>
	<title>well</title>
	<author>igy</author>
	<datestamp>1261044900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well if the 'owner' of the line gets in trouble, and not the person using it, seems like having a throwaway shelf company as the billing contact on your broadband is the way to go!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well if the 'owner ' of the line gets in trouble , and not the person using it , seems like having a throwaway shelf company as the billing contact on your broadband is the way to go !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well if the 'owner' of the line gets in trouble, and not the person using it, seems like having a throwaway shelf company as the billing contact on your broadband is the way to go!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471096</id>
	<title>Corporation liability?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261046340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, how does an Internet connection set-up with a corporation/partnership/etc. work?<br>If I am likely to run afoul of this law, what is to stop me from forming a Corp, running the ISP connection under that Corp's name, and when caught, folding up that Corp and re-doing the whole thing with another Corp.?</p><p>BTW, assigning your car to a Corp is also a way to defeat photo-radar cameras, as their is no database connection between the car and the driver.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , how does an Internet connection set-up with a corporation/partnership/etc .
work ? If I am likely to run afoul of this law , what is to stop me from forming a Corp , running the ISP connection under that Corp 's name , and when caught , folding up that Corp and re-doing the whole thing with another Corp. ? BTW , assigning your car to a Corp is also a way to defeat photo-radar cameras , as their is no database connection between the car and the driver .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, how does an Internet connection set-up with a corporation/partnership/etc.
work?If I am likely to run afoul of this law, what is to stop me from forming a Corp, running the ISP connection under that Corp's name, and when caught, folding up that Corp and re-doing the whole thing with another Corp.?BTW, assigning your car to a Corp is also a way to defeat photo-radar cameras, as their is no database connection between the car and the driver.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471290</id>
	<title>Re:Aw, piss.</title>
	<author>Smegly</author>
	<datestamp>1261048380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Oh don't worry. THEY will lobby/bribe 3 strikes laws into existence pretty much everywhere.</p></div><p>Know your enemy. "THEY" are the <a href="http://www.iipa.com/" title="iipa.com">International Intelectual Property Alliance (IIPA)</a> [iipa.com], and <i>they</i> have the <a href="http://www.ustr.gov/about-us/press-office/reports-and-publications/archives/2008/2008-special-301-report" title="ustr.gov">full political clout</a> [ustr.gov] of the US government behind them - working to subvert democratic process in <a href="http://www.iipa.com/countryreports.html" title="iipa.com">just about every country in the world</a> [iipa.com] via three strikes/no presumption of innocence for the sheeple. As one small example of many, check out their recent "report" <a href="http://www.iipa.com/rbc/2009/2009SPEC301SPAIN.pdf" title="iipa.com">on Spain</a> [iipa.com]. Witness the <a href="http://www.expatica.com/es/news/local\_news/Spain-not-invited-to-crisis-summit\_-says-US\_46880.html" title="expatica.com">resulting</a> [expatica.com] political <a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/presidentbush/2008/10/white-house-con.html" title="latimes.com">clout</a> [latimes.com] and of course, the result they were after with <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/12/04/038259/Spains-Proposed-Internet-Law-Sparks-Protest-Change" title="slashdot.org">local laws against P2P</a> [slashdot.org].  Spain is the 8th largest economy in the world - not so easy to boss around if unwilling to cooperate. UK, France appear to be more than happy to bend over for IIPA without any fight - at least Spain managed to keep judicial process in the loop, for now at least.<br> All of it does not bode well for tiny countries like NZ that do not stand much chance against combined international coercion from the "IIPA Club".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh do n't worry .
THEY will lobby/bribe 3 strikes laws into existence pretty much everywhere.Know your enemy .
" THEY " are the International Intelectual Property Alliance ( IIPA ) [ iipa.com ] , and they have the full political clout [ ustr.gov ] of the US government behind them - working to subvert democratic process in just about every country in the world [ iipa.com ] via three strikes/no presumption of innocence for the sheeple .
As one small example of many , check out their recent " report " on Spain [ iipa.com ] .
Witness the resulting [ expatica.com ] political clout [ latimes.com ] and of course , the result they were after with local laws against P2P [ slashdot.org ] .
Spain is the 8th largest economy in the world - not so easy to boss around if unwilling to cooperate .
UK , France appear to be more than happy to bend over for IIPA without any fight - at least Spain managed to keep judicial process in the loop , for now at least .
All of it does not bode well for tiny countries like NZ that do not stand much chance against combined international coercion from the " IIPA Club " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh don't worry.
THEY will lobby/bribe 3 strikes laws into existence pretty much everywhere.Know your enemy.
"THEY" are the International Intelectual Property Alliance (IIPA) [iipa.com], and they have the full political clout [ustr.gov] of the US government behind them - working to subvert democratic process in just about every country in the world [iipa.com] via three strikes/no presumption of innocence for the sheeple.
As one small example of many, check out their recent "report" on Spain [iipa.com].
Witness the resulting [expatica.com] political clout [latimes.com] and of course, the result they were after with local laws against P2P [slashdot.org].
Spain is the 8th largest economy in the world - not so easy to boss around if unwilling to cooperate.
UK, France appear to be more than happy to bend over for IIPA without any fight - at least Spain managed to keep judicial process in the loop, for now at least.
All of it does not bode well for tiny countries like NZ that do not stand much chance against combined international coercion from the "IIPA Club".
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470924</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471386</id>
	<title>It's not *that* bad...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261049040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><ul>
<li>You only get into trouble if you don't react after <em>three</em> notices (for the same offence, if I understand correctly) =&gt; ample time to correct the issue or to change ISP</li><li>there is a tribunal (court) involved, where you can defend yourself</li><li>suspension of accounts only occurs "where serious and continued breaches occur" beyond those 3 notices.</li><li>account holders will be able to issue counter notices</li></ul><p>
This is entirely different from the 3-strike laws of other countries, where your account is pulled immediately (3 strikes refer to <em>different</em>, infringments that may be unrelated to each other) and where you have no recourse before an impartial court.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You only get into trouble if you do n't react after three notices ( for the same offence , if I understand correctly ) = &gt; ample time to correct the issue or to change ISPthere is a tribunal ( court ) involved , where you can defend yourselfsuspension of accounts only occurs " where serious and continued breaches occur " beyond those 3 notices.account holders will be able to issue counter notices This is entirely different from the 3-strike laws of other countries , where your account is pulled immediately ( 3 strikes refer to different , infringments that may be unrelated to each other ) and where you have no recourse before an impartial court .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
You only get into trouble if you don't react after three notices (for the same offence, if I understand correctly) =&gt; ample time to correct the issue or to change ISPthere is a tribunal (court) involved, where you can defend yourselfsuspension of accounts only occurs "where serious and continued breaches occur" beyond those 3 notices.account holders will be able to issue counter notices
This is entirely different from the 3-strike laws of other countries, where your account is pulled immediately (3 strikes refer to different, infringments that may be unrelated to each other) and where you have no recourse before an impartial court.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471782</id>
	<title>Re:Time a truly anonymous network for P2P</title>
	<author>Servaas</author>
	<datestamp>1261052820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I will pay once, a small amount, and then i can play it on what i want, where i want. You dont agree? What if you stamp your feet? The people will decide.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I will pay once , a small amount , and then i can play it on what i want , where i want .
You dont agree ?
What if you stamp your feet ?
The people will decide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I will pay once, a small amount, and then i can play it on what i want, where i want.
You dont agree?
What if you stamp your feet?
The people will decide.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471280</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471058</id>
	<title>Any rights holder?</title>
	<author>ilovejesusontoast</author>
	<datestamp>1261045980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will this allow any rights holder to give ISP notice or only large corporations?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will this allow any rights holder to give ISP notice or only large corporations ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will this allow any rights holder to give ISP notice or only large corporations?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30475250</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously though...</title>
	<author>Golddess</author>
	<datestamp>1261073040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How hard can it be to stop doing it after you've been hauled before two tribunals?</p></div><p>So tell us, have you stopped beating your wife yet?<br>
<br>
In case you can't tell, I'm pointing out the ridiculousness of telling someone to stop doing something when they were never doing it in the first place, and then punishing them after you tell them a third time when, again, <i>they never did the deed for which you are punishing them</i>.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How hard can it be to stop doing it after you 've been hauled before two tribunals ? So tell us , have you stopped beating your wife yet ?
In case you ca n't tell , I 'm pointing out the ridiculousness of telling someone to stop doing something when they were never doing it in the first place , and then punishing them after you tell them a third time when , again , they never did the deed for which you are punishing them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How hard can it be to stop doing it after you've been hauled before two tribunals?So tell us, have you stopped beating your wife yet?
In case you can't tell, I'm pointing out the ridiculousness of telling someone to stop doing something when they were never doing it in the first place, and then punishing them after you tell them a third time when, again, they never did the deed for which you are punishing them.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30472378</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470892</id>
	<title>Seems to be 4 strikes?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261044600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"New Zealand Reintroduces 3 Strikes Law.... will allow rights holders to take people who have been identified as infringers more than three times in front of a Copyright Tribunal."</p><p>Unless '3 strikes law' has become the phrase for all N-strike laws.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" New Zealand Reintroduces 3 Strikes Law.... will allow rights holders to take people who have been identified as infringers more than three times in front of a Copyright Tribunal .
" Unless '3 strikes law ' has become the phrase for all N-strike laws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"New Zealand Reintroduces 3 Strikes Law.... will allow rights holders to take people who have been identified as infringers more than three times in front of a Copyright Tribunal.
"Unless '3 strikes law' has become the phrase for all N-strike laws.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30471228</id>
	<title>Re:Time a truly anonymous network for P2P</title>
	<author>Znork</author>
	<datestamp>1261047600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Freenet, I2P and gnunet can probably be counted as secure enough, as well as most darknet variants like oneswarm. The rash of communications privacy violations has pretty much ensured that's where we're heading; widespread untraceable heavily encrypted utterly opaque communications.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Freenet , I2P and gnunet can probably be counted as secure enough , as well as most darknet variants like oneswarm .
The rash of communications privacy violations has pretty much ensured that 's where we 're heading ; widespread untraceable heavily encrypted utterly opaque communications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Freenet, I2P and gnunet can probably be counted as secure enough, as well as most darknet variants like oneswarm.
The rash of communications privacy violations has pretty much ensured that's where we're heading; widespread untraceable heavily encrypted utterly opaque communications.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30470986</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_0412225.30475876</id>
	<title>that's missing the point</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1261075800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Much as I deplore overly restrictive copyrights themselves, holding the people who pay for the data transfer responsible for what is being transferred makes sense.  What we need to change is the restrictive copyrights themselves (terms should expire much sooner), and who is actually responsible for the infringement.</p><p>In particular, the person doing the downloading should not usually be held responsible.  I should be able to assume that anything that's accessible on the Internet for downloading without a password is something I have an implicit license to download.  If there is no license, then the person owning the connection where it is being offered without a password should be held responsible (but only if downloading actually has taken place).</p><p>Holding the person downloading the information responsible is bad, because it basically creates a huge legal uncertainty.  Am I now responsible for verifying the copyright status of every video on YouTube?  What if someone puts a copyrighted image or video into an ad on some page that I visit?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Much as I deplore overly restrictive copyrights themselves , holding the people who pay for the data transfer responsible for what is being transferred makes sense .
What we need to change is the restrictive copyrights themselves ( terms should expire much sooner ) , and who is actually responsible for the infringement.In particular , the person doing the downloading should not usually be held responsible .
I should be able to assume that anything that 's accessible on the Internet for downloading without a password is something I have an implicit license to download .
If there is no license , then the person owning the connection where it is being offered without a password should be held responsible ( but only if downloading actually has taken place ) .Holding the person downloading the information responsible is bad , because it basically creates a huge legal uncertainty .
Am I now responsible for verifying the copyright status of every video on YouTube ?
What if someone puts a copyrighted image or video into an ad on some page that I visit ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Much as I deplore overly restrictive copyrights themselves, holding the people who pay for the data transfer responsible for what is being transferred makes sense.
What we need to change is the restrictive copyrights themselves (terms should expire much sooner), and who is actually responsible for the infringement.In particular, the person doing the downloading should not usually be held responsible.
I should be able to assume that anything that's accessible on the Internet for downloading without a password is something I have an implicit license to download.
If there is no license, then the person owning the connection where it is being offered without a password should be held responsible (but only if downloading actually has taken place).Holding the person downloading the information responsible is bad, because it basically creates a huge legal uncertainty.
Am I now responsible for verifying the copyright status of every video on YouTube?
What if someone puts a copyrighted image or video into an ad on some page that I visit?</sentencetext>
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