<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_16_1624200</id>
	<title>Why Top Linux Distros Are For Different Users</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1260982800000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Lucas123 writes <i>"Fedora, openSUSE and Ubuntu Linux desktops may look alike, but they've got <a href="http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9142148/Review\_3\_top\_Linux\_distros\_go\_for\_different\_users?taxonomyId=89&amp;pageNumber=1">some important distinctions</a>, like the fact that Fedora and Ubuntu use GNOME 2.28 (the latest version) for their default desktop, while openSUSE uses KDE 4.3.1. And, Fedora's designers have assumed that its users are wiser than the general run of users. 'For example, in earlier versions, ordinary (non-admin) users could install software on Fedora without access to the root password. As of this version, however, local users will need to enter the root password before they can install software (as they do on almost all other Linux distributions).'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lucas123 writes " Fedora , openSUSE and Ubuntu Linux desktops may look alike , but they 've got some important distinctions , like the fact that Fedora and Ubuntu use GNOME 2.28 ( the latest version ) for their default desktop , while openSUSE uses KDE 4.3.1 .
And , Fedora 's designers have assumed that its users are wiser than the general run of users .
'For example , in earlier versions , ordinary ( non-admin ) users could install software on Fedora without access to the root password .
As of this version , however , local users will need to enter the root password before they can install software ( as they do on almost all other Linux distributions ) .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lucas123 writes "Fedora, openSUSE and Ubuntu Linux desktops may look alike, but they've got some important distinctions, like the fact that Fedora and Ubuntu use GNOME 2.28 (the latest version) for their default desktop, while openSUSE uses KDE 4.3.1.
And, Fedora's designers have assumed that its users are wiser than the general run of users.
'For example, in earlier versions, ordinary (non-admin) users could install software on Fedora without access to the root password.
As of this version, however, local users will need to enter the root password before they can install software (as they do on almost all other Linux distributions).
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30468242</id>
	<title>Re:It doesn't matter at all</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259681820000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>RPM was clearly inferior.</p></div><p>
Really ?!? With no reasons to back up such a ridiculous statement?
<br>
Someone is certainly being defensive about their package....manager.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></div>
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<tokenext>RPM was clearly inferior .
Really ? ! ?
With no reasons to back up such a ridiculous statement ?
Someone is certainly being defensive about their package....manager .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RPM was clearly inferior.
Really ?!?
With no reasons to back up such a ridiculous statement?
Someone is certainly being defensive about their package....manager.
;)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30461624</id>
	<title>Re:no root password?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259697840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had exactly the same thought.  Used RH 5 through 9 then switched to the Fedora camp (at Fedora 11 right now) and I can't recall *ever* having had the ability to install system-wide software (rpm, etc...) without root priviledges.  WTF?  Am I missing something?  Is this a Gnome "feature" I am unaware of (KDE user here)?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had exactly the same thought .
Used RH 5 through 9 then switched to the Fedora camp ( at Fedora 11 right now ) and I ca n't recall * ever * having had the ability to install system-wide software ( rpm , etc... ) without root priviledges .
WTF ? Am I missing something ?
Is this a Gnome " feature " I am unaware of ( KDE user here ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had exactly the same thought.
Used RH 5 through 9 then switched to the Fedora camp (at Fedora 11 right now) and I can't recall *ever* having had the ability to install system-wide software (rpm, etc...) without root priviledges.
WTF?  Am I missing something?
Is this a Gnome "feature" I am unaware of (KDE user here)?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30467546</id>
	<title>Re:Tried Ubuntu, switched back to Fedora</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259677020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was running Ubuntu 8 and used the upgrade feature in the update manager to go to 9 and wound up killing my system with Video and sound problems. 9 was also not a snappy as 8 so I am back at 8 with adjustable screen resolutions and working sound and happy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was running Ubuntu 8 and used the upgrade feature in the update manager to go to 9 and wound up killing my system with Video and sound problems .
9 was also not a snappy as 8 so I am back at 8 with adjustable screen resolutions and working sound and happy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was running Ubuntu 8 and used the upgrade feature in the update manager to go to 9 and wound up killing my system with Video and sound problems.
9 was also not a snappy as 8 so I am back at 8 with adjustable screen resolutions and working sound and happy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30466000</id>
	<title>Re:It doesn't matter at all</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1259668860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's inferior in RPM compared to dpkg?</p><p>Or did you mean to compare yum to apt (which would be a more, ahem, apt comparison)? If so, what's inferior about yum?</p><p>Actually, I can name one thing: aptitude. Yeah, it's TUI, but it's so much more flexible than any "proper GUI" package manager that I've seen, and that alone is a big part of why I still stick to Debian-based distros. But that is still a power user tool. From casual user pespective, what difference does<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.deb vs<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.rpm have?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's inferior in RPM compared to dpkg ? Or did you mean to compare yum to apt ( which would be a more , ahem , apt comparison ) ?
If so , what 's inferior about yum ? Actually , I can name one thing : aptitude .
Yeah , it 's TUI , but it 's so much more flexible than any " proper GUI " package manager that I 've seen , and that alone is a big part of why I still stick to Debian-based distros .
But that is still a power user tool .
From casual user pespective , what difference does .deb vs .rpm have ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's inferior in RPM compared to dpkg?Or did you mean to compare yum to apt (which would be a more, ahem, apt comparison)?
If so, what's inferior about yum?Actually, I can name one thing: aptitude.
Yeah, it's TUI, but it's so much more flexible than any "proper GUI" package manager that I've seen, and that alone is a big part of why I still stick to Debian-based distros.
But that is still a power user tool.
From casual user pespective, what difference does .deb vs .rpm have?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30464806</id>
	<title>Why? (Re:It doesn't matter at all)</title>
	<author>EXTomar</author>
	<datestamp>1259665140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been wondering about this for years, ever since Debian and Red Hat created this technology to solve that problem, why do people think the way Debian does package management is better than RPM?  I've never gotten a straight answer where it seems to be that most believe Red Hat distros are in some dark age handling packages piecewise which isn't true at all.  I've looked at both and they match each other feature for feature.  I've also done a bit of tinker with their respective "front end" apt-get and yum and find they match each other in features and functionality.</p><p>So why do people still say this Debian is so much better than RPM?  Did I miss some brand new advancement or missed an old esoteric feature or what?  Both pieces of technology do the same thing with minimal fuss as far as I can tell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been wondering about this for years , ever since Debian and Red Hat created this technology to solve that problem , why do people think the way Debian does package management is better than RPM ?
I 've never gotten a straight answer where it seems to be that most believe Red Hat distros are in some dark age handling packages piecewise which is n't true at all .
I 've looked at both and they match each other feature for feature .
I 've also done a bit of tinker with their respective " front end " apt-get and yum and find they match each other in features and functionality.So why do people still say this Debian is so much better than RPM ?
Did I miss some brand new advancement or missed an old esoteric feature or what ?
Both pieces of technology do the same thing with minimal fuss as far as I can tell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been wondering about this for years, ever since Debian and Red Hat created this technology to solve that problem, why do people think the way Debian does package management is better than RPM?
I've never gotten a straight answer where it seems to be that most believe Red Hat distros are in some dark age handling packages piecewise which isn't true at all.
I've looked at both and they match each other feature for feature.
I've also done a bit of tinker with their respective "front end" apt-get and yum and find they match each other in features and functionality.So why do people still say this Debian is so much better than RPM?
Did I miss some brand new advancement or missed an old esoteric feature or what?
Both pieces of technology do the same thing with minimal fuss as far as I can tell.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460940</id>
	<title>A certain lack of iron uniformity.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259695140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not trying to say that user choice and the variance of Linux distributions are bad, but I see some problems that make my life a headache. Especially on the RPM side of things.</p><p>For example.</p><p>The Four major Desktop distributions out there are:</p><p>Fedora<br>OpenSUSE<br>Mandriva<br>Ubuntu.</p><p>Ubuntu is Debian based, and not like the other three. So, I will set it aside just momentarily. I'd like to focus on the RPM based systems for the moment because that is what I have the most experience with.</p><p>The three RPM based systems have a whole lot of needless Dissimilarities. Even in the RPM system itself. has strange separations in the way it handle packaging. There really is no reason for these differences to exist. Other than making it more difficult to install and manage software, there is no reason for these differences to exist. They just confuse people.</p><p>Another thing that drives me berserk is how the RPM distributors tend to "tinker" with the default KDE and Gnome Installs configuration. For example, replacing the Kicker logo with their own Mandriva/Suse/Fedora logo. This really confuses people. It doesn't add to the user experience at all to change how applications are ordered at random, or change the Icon for the K and Gnome Menus. It just confuses people more.</p><p>You don't see this in the Debian world. They leave should leave the default configurations of KDE, Gnome, and the other Window managers. Also, a memorandum of understanding or treaty should be formed that says that they will have uniform RPM Macros, and Uniform Application categories.</p><p>I do alot of packaging for Mandriva.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not trying to say that user choice and the variance of Linux distributions are bad , but I see some problems that make my life a headache .
Especially on the RPM side of things.For example.The Four major Desktop distributions out there are : FedoraOpenSUSEMandrivaUbuntu.Ubuntu is Debian based , and not like the other three .
So , I will set it aside just momentarily .
I 'd like to focus on the RPM based systems for the moment because that is what I have the most experience with.The three RPM based systems have a whole lot of needless Dissimilarities .
Even in the RPM system itself .
has strange separations in the way it handle packaging .
There really is no reason for these differences to exist .
Other than making it more difficult to install and manage software , there is no reason for these differences to exist .
They just confuse people.Another thing that drives me berserk is how the RPM distributors tend to " tinker " with the default KDE and Gnome Installs configuration .
For example , replacing the Kicker logo with their own Mandriva/Suse/Fedora logo .
This really confuses people .
It does n't add to the user experience at all to change how applications are ordered at random , or change the Icon for the K and Gnome Menus .
It just confuses people more.You do n't see this in the Debian world .
They leave should leave the default configurations of KDE , Gnome , and the other Window managers .
Also , a memorandum of understanding or treaty should be formed that says that they will have uniform RPM Macros , and Uniform Application categories.I do alot of packaging for Mandriva .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not trying to say that user choice and the variance of Linux distributions are bad, but I see some problems that make my life a headache.
Especially on the RPM side of things.For example.The Four major Desktop distributions out there are:FedoraOpenSUSEMandrivaUbuntu.Ubuntu is Debian based, and not like the other three.
So, I will set it aside just momentarily.
I'd like to focus on the RPM based systems for the moment because that is what I have the most experience with.The three RPM based systems have a whole lot of needless Dissimilarities.
Even in the RPM system itself.
has strange separations in the way it handle packaging.
There really is no reason for these differences to exist.
Other than making it more difficult to install and manage software, there is no reason for these differences to exist.
They just confuse people.Another thing that drives me berserk is how the RPM distributors tend to "tinker" with the default KDE and Gnome Installs configuration.
For example, replacing the Kicker logo with their own Mandriva/Suse/Fedora logo.
This really confuses people.
It doesn't add to the user experience at all to change how applications are ordered at random, or change the Icon for the K and Gnome Menus.
It just confuses people more.You don't see this in the Debian world.
They leave should leave the default configurations of KDE, Gnome, and the other Window managers.
Also, a memorandum of understanding or treaty should be formed that says that they will have uniform RPM Macros, and Uniform Application categories.I do alot of packaging for Mandriva.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460594</id>
	<title>For different users?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259693880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well take a look at the completely different set of purposes they have:<br>Fedora: Desktop, aimed at the non-expert user<br>OpenSuse: Desktop, at the non-expert user<br>Ubuntu: Desktop, at the non-expert user</p><p>So you're saying their different based on what? Preferred default DM?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well take a look at the completely different set of purposes they have : Fedora : Desktop , aimed at the non-expert userOpenSuse : Desktop , at the non-expert userUbuntu : Desktop , at the non-expert userSo you 're saying their different based on what ?
Preferred default DM ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well take a look at the completely different set of purposes they have:Fedora: Desktop, aimed at the non-expert userOpenSuse: Desktop, at the non-expert userUbuntu: Desktop, at the non-expert userSo you're saying their different based on what?
Preferred default DM?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30470982</id>
	<title>Re: Why Top Linux Distros Are For Different Users</title>
	<author>legionzero</author>
	<datestamp>1261045380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Different GNU/Linux distros are indeed born with a specific target audience in mind, not to mention the existence of specialized spin-offs that are intended not only for a specific audience but are also intended for very specific tasks.

One of the main reasons for this is the fact that not all distros are made with the same philosophy behind them, some are Free Software and some are Open Source Software and some are something entirely different.

A distro that caters to a noob would indeed be a good thing, in fact it would be great if there could be a distro that changed along with the learning of the user, just imagine:

it starts out as a noobie playground, then in a few months it becomes a tool for a user, then a few more months later it becomes a power user's tool-kit and finally evolves to a sysadmin's power-tool

The best part of different distros for different users is the fact that we can pick and choose, we have the freedom to do so.

At home I use 3 different distros that I like for very different reasons: I use Debian as an all purpose desktop because it is rich and robust, I use FreeBSD as a production server because it is lite, stable and secure &amp; I use gNewSense because I like the smell of freedom.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Different GNU/Linux distros are indeed born with a specific target audience in mind , not to mention the existence of specialized spin-offs that are intended not only for a specific audience but are also intended for very specific tasks .
One of the main reasons for this is the fact that not all distros are made with the same philosophy behind them , some are Free Software and some are Open Source Software and some are something entirely different .
A distro that caters to a noob would indeed be a good thing , in fact it would be great if there could be a distro that changed along with the learning of the user , just imagine : it starts out as a noobie playground , then in a few months it becomes a tool for a user , then a few more months later it becomes a power user 's tool-kit and finally evolves to a sysadmin 's power-tool The best part of different distros for different users is the fact that we can pick and choose , we have the freedom to do so .
At home I use 3 different distros that I like for very different reasons : I use Debian as an all purpose desktop because it is rich and robust , I use FreeBSD as a production server because it is lite , stable and secure &amp; I use gNewSense because I like the smell of freedom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Different GNU/Linux distros are indeed born with a specific target audience in mind, not to mention the existence of specialized spin-offs that are intended not only for a specific audience but are also intended for very specific tasks.
One of the main reasons for this is the fact that not all distros are made with the same philosophy behind them, some are Free Software and some are Open Source Software and some are something entirely different.
A distro that caters to a noob would indeed be a good thing, in fact it would be great if there could be a distro that changed along with the learning of the user, just imagine:

it starts out as a noobie playground, then in a few months it becomes a tool for a user, then a few more months later it becomes a power user's tool-kit and finally evolves to a sysadmin's power-tool

The best part of different distros for different users is the fact that we can pick and choose, we have the freedom to do so.
At home I use 3 different distros that I like for very different reasons: I use Debian as an all purpose desktop because it is rich and robust, I use FreeBSD as a production server because it is lite, stable and secure &amp; I use gNewSense because I like the smell of freedom.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460092</id>
	<title>Re:It doesn't matter at all</title>
	<author>armanox</author>
	<datestamp>1259692080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Funny how all that always worked for me in Red Hat Linux (I started on RH6.1), years before Ubuntu (ok, I didn't have the last 2).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny how all that always worked for me in Red Hat Linux ( I started on RH6.1 ) , years before Ubuntu ( ok , I did n't have the last 2 ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny how all that always worked for me in Red Hat Linux (I started on RH6.1), years before Ubuntu (ok, I didn't have the last 2).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30459900</id>
	<title>Re:It doesn't matter at all</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1259691420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Does the distro work with your printer without any complicated installation procedures?<br>Does the distro work with your audio hardware without any complicated installation procedures?<br>Does the distro switch between all the resolutions supported by your video hardware?<br>Does the distro have a reasonably good package installation mechanism?<br>Does the distro support your applications without special package installation requirements?</p></div><p>Don't have/need a printer<br>Don't need audio<br>Only need 1 decent resolution<br>A Live CD!<br>The applications I need are -practically- built into the distro</p><p>Hooray for using Linux Distros as Servers, Routers, and other @ home network enhancements!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does the distro work with your printer without any complicated installation procedures ? Does the distro work with your audio hardware without any complicated installation procedures ? Does the distro switch between all the resolutions supported by your video hardware ? Does the distro have a reasonably good package installation mechanism ? Does the distro support your applications without special package installation requirements ? Do n't have/need a printerDo n't need audioOnly need 1 decent resolutionA Live CD ! The applications I need are -practically- built into the distroHooray for using Linux Distros as Servers , Routers , and other @ home network enhancements !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does the distro work with your printer without any complicated installation procedures?Does the distro work with your audio hardware without any complicated installation procedures?Does the distro switch between all the resolutions supported by your video hardware?Does the distro have a reasonably good package installation mechanism?Does the distro support your applications without special package installation requirements?Don't have/need a printerDon't need audioOnly need 1 decent resolutionA Live CD!The applications I need are -practically- built into the distroHooray for using Linux Distros as Servers, Routers, and other @ home network enhancements!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460742</id>
	<title>Re:Senior Citizen Linux</title>
	<author>Joey Vegetables</author>
	<datestamp>1259694420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That shouldn't be necessary, because if good UI design principles were followed, you could set your font sizes and screen resolution any way you wanted, and dialogs would both respect your choices and try to reformat themselves intelligently to fit them.  From what I've seen, both major desktop environments (Gnome and KDE) have made significant improvements but also still have quite a ways to go.  You can file UI bug reports with either team, and I'd highly recommend it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That should n't be necessary , because if good UI design principles were followed , you could set your font sizes and screen resolution any way you wanted , and dialogs would both respect your choices and try to reformat themselves intelligently to fit them .
From what I 've seen , both major desktop environments ( Gnome and KDE ) have made significant improvements but also still have quite a ways to go .
You can file UI bug reports with either team , and I 'd highly recommend it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That shouldn't be necessary, because if good UI design principles were followed, you could set your font sizes and screen resolution any way you wanted, and dialogs would both respect your choices and try to reformat themselves intelligently to fit them.
From what I've seen, both major desktop environments (Gnome and KDE) have made significant improvements but also still have quite a ways to go.
You can file UI bug reports with either team, and I'd highly recommend it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30463840</id>
	<title>Re:Slackware</title>
	<author>spaceyhackerlady</author>
	<datestamp>1259661900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Slackware does a number of things differently than other distros. It doesn't hide the fact that it's a clone of Unix (among other things, you configure it by editing text files), and it allows you to install as much or as little of the distro as you want. If all you want is a box that boots to a command prompt, you can do that easily with Slackware. I view it as a construction set for building Linux boxes, rather than a pre-assembled system that you pour out of a can.

</p><p>Slackware is well-behaved, and makes very few assumptions about the system it's running on. The distro CD will boot on anything, and the text-based installer will run on anything. GNU/SourceForge/etc. applications generally compile and run without modification. This includes kernels. Some people think I'm a little extreme (or just plain nuts...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-), but I view the distro kernel as solely for bootstrapping the system, after which you build a custom kernel to match your hardware and operating requirements.

</p><p>...laura</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Slackware does a number of things differently than other distros .
It does n't hide the fact that it 's a clone of Unix ( among other things , you configure it by editing text files ) , and it allows you to install as much or as little of the distro as you want .
If all you want is a box that boots to a command prompt , you can do that easily with Slackware .
I view it as a construction set for building Linux boxes , rather than a pre-assembled system that you pour out of a can .
Slackware is well-behaved , and makes very few assumptions about the system it 's running on .
The distro CD will boot on anything , and the text-based installer will run on anything .
GNU/SourceForge/etc. applications generally compile and run without modification .
This includes kernels .
Some people think I 'm a little extreme ( or just plain nuts... : - ) , but I view the distro kernel as solely for bootstrapping the system , after which you build a custom kernel to match your hardware and operating requirements .
...laura</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slackware does a number of things differently than other distros.
It doesn't hide the fact that it's a clone of Unix (among other things, you configure it by editing text files), and it allows you to install as much or as little of the distro as you want.
If all you want is a box that boots to a command prompt, you can do that easily with Slackware.
I view it as a construction set for building Linux boxes, rather than a pre-assembled system that you pour out of a can.
Slackware is well-behaved, and makes very few assumptions about the system it's running on.
The distro CD will boot on anything, and the text-based installer will run on anything.
GNU/SourceForge/etc. applications generally compile and run without modification.
This includes kernels.
Some people think I'm a little extreme (or just plain nuts... :-), but I view the distro kernel as solely for bootstrapping the system, after which you build a custom kernel to match your hardware and operating requirements.
...laura</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30462140</id>
	<title>Take with a grain of salt.</title>
	<author>Tubal-Cain</author>
	<datestamp>1259699520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Speaking of easy, openSUSE is also the first of the major Linux distros that makes it simple to upgrade the system over the Internet. With most distros, you need to download an ISO image of the new release and then boot from it to upgrade your Linux distribution. However, I was able to do an in-place upgrade of openSUSE 11.1 to 11.2 on my ThinkPad over a Wi-Fi connection. This arrangement makes upgrading the entire operating system as simple as installing one really big program.</p></div><p>That's been a part of Ubuntu's Update Manager for...how many years now?
And in Debian using <tt>stable</tt> rather than <tt>lenny</tt> in your<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/apt/sources.list will achieve the same effect. Or you could just use <tt>testing</tt> and enjoy more-up-to-date-but-still-stable software that has rolling updates.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Speaking of easy , openSUSE is also the first of the major Linux distros that makes it simple to upgrade the system over the Internet .
With most distros , you need to download an ISO image of the new release and then boot from it to upgrade your Linux distribution .
However , I was able to do an in-place upgrade of openSUSE 11.1 to 11.2 on my ThinkPad over a Wi-Fi connection .
This arrangement makes upgrading the entire operating system as simple as installing one really big program.That 's been a part of Ubuntu 's Update Manager for...how many years now ?
And in Debian using stable rather than lenny in your /etc/apt/sources.list will achieve the same effect .
Or you could just use testing and enjoy more-up-to-date-but-still-stable software that has rolling updates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking of easy, openSUSE is also the first of the major Linux distros that makes it simple to upgrade the system over the Internet.
With most distros, you need to download an ISO image of the new release and then boot from it to upgrade your Linux distribution.
However, I was able to do an in-place upgrade of openSUSE 11.1 to 11.2 on my ThinkPad over a Wi-Fi connection.
This arrangement makes upgrading the entire operating system as simple as installing one really big program.That's been a part of Ubuntu's Update Manager for...how many years now?
And in Debian using stable rather than lenny in your /etc/apt/sources.list will achieve the same effect.
Or you could just use testing and enjoy more-up-to-date-but-still-stable software that has rolling updates.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30465116</id>
	<title>Re:Tried Ubuntu, switched back to Fedora</title>
	<author>Dan Ost</author>
	<datestamp>1259666160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That pretty much sums up my experience with Ubuntu and Debian...except that I went back to Gentoo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That pretty much sums up my experience with Ubuntu and Debian...except that I went back to Gentoo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That pretty much sums up my experience with Ubuntu and Debian...except that I went back to Gentoo.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30488378</id>
	<title>Re:Slackware</title>
	<author>kokoko1</author>
	<datestamp>1261156560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ah you remind me that great distro, I used it for almost 3 years exclusively on my home/work desktop. Later due to time limitation to play with Linux I switched to Fedora, (I am typing this from Fedora 12).
Ah that was a nice good old days, compiling a kernel (slacware 9.x---11.x) comes with default 2.4.x kernel), for getting 2.6.x one have to do the old school thing of compiling kernel from source.
1. wget the kernel source from kernel.org
2. untar it,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..If i remember correctly make config, make and make install
3. copy the modules and kernel to proper place
4. adjust the lilo.conf
5. finally reboot into new kernel, if you did everything right then your system will boot into new kernel otherwise chances of 'kernel panic'<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

See I still remember how to do the kernel stuff, coz i learn it while on Slackware.

Now here I am using Fedora on my both work/home laptops, love it coz its work, like it coz its Linux and it recongnize everything out of the box, its Linux and viri spyware free.

I must admit I learn Linux on slackware and still I love slackware and Pat, Pat doing a great job of maintaining such a nice distro wish him long live<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)
Slackware never failed for me not a single time,

Hey wife is calling no more Linux its time to go to bed.

see ya<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah you remind me that great distro , I used it for almost 3 years exclusively on my home/work desktop .
Later due to time limitation to play with Linux I switched to Fedora , ( I am typing this from Fedora 12 ) .
Ah that was a nice good old days , compiling a kernel ( slacware 9.x---11.x ) comes with default 2.4.x kernel ) , for getting 2.6.x one have to do the old school thing of compiling kernel from source .
1. wget the kernel source from kernel.org 2. untar it , ..If i remember correctly make config , make and make install 3. copy the modules and kernel to proper place 4. adjust the lilo.conf 5. finally reboot into new kernel , if you did everything right then your system will boot into new kernel otherwise chances of 'kernel panic ' : ) See I still remember how to do the kernel stuff , coz i learn it while on Slackware .
Now here I am using Fedora on my both work/home laptops , love it coz its work , like it coz its Linux and it recongnize everything out of the box , its Linux and viri spyware free .
I must admit I learn Linux on slackware and still I love slackware and Pat , Pat doing a great job of maintaining such a nice distro wish him long live : ) Slackware never failed for me not a single time , Hey wife is calling no more Linux its time to go to bed .
see ya ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah you remind me that great distro, I used it for almost 3 years exclusively on my home/work desktop.
Later due to time limitation to play with Linux I switched to Fedora, (I am typing this from Fedora 12).
Ah that was a nice good old days, compiling a kernel (slacware 9.x---11.x) comes with default 2.4.x kernel), for getting 2.6.x one have to do the old school thing of compiling kernel from source.
1. wget the kernel source from kernel.org
2. untar it, ..If i remember correctly make config, make and make install
3. copy the modules and kernel to proper place
4. adjust the lilo.conf
5. finally reboot into new kernel, if you did everything right then your system will boot into new kernel otherwise chances of 'kernel panic' :)

See I still remember how to do the kernel stuff, coz i learn it while on Slackware.
Now here I am using Fedora on my both work/home laptops, love it coz its work, like it coz its Linux and it recongnize everything out of the box, its Linux and viri spyware free.
I must admit I learn Linux on slackware and still I love slackware and Pat, Pat doing a great job of maintaining such a nice distro wish him long live :)
Slackware never failed for me not a single time,

Hey wife is calling no more Linux its time to go to bed.
see ya ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30461278</id>
	<title>Re:Slackware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259696340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had a question about Slackware. I haven't done a lot of distro research, but I have an old Dell laptop (Pentium IV style), that I have been meaning to refurbish into an internet access/perl development system. The system resources are limited enough that I don't think running Ubuntu (my current distro) would be a good idea on it. Basically, I am curious if slackware is the right distro for a job like that. I've heard it referenced on slashdot a lot now as a lightweight distribution so I really should just do some more research, however, since you seem to be a fan of it yourself (unless that was sarcasm, I hope not), maybe you could give me your take on it?
<br> <br>
Any thoughts you have would be appreciated.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a question about Slackware .
I have n't done a lot of distro research , but I have an old Dell laptop ( Pentium IV style ) , that I have been meaning to refurbish into an internet access/perl development system .
The system resources are limited enough that I do n't think running Ubuntu ( my current distro ) would be a good idea on it .
Basically , I am curious if slackware is the right distro for a job like that .
I 've heard it referenced on slashdot a lot now as a lightweight distribution so I really should just do some more research , however , since you seem to be a fan of it yourself ( unless that was sarcasm , I hope not ) , maybe you could give me your take on it ?
Any thoughts you have would be appreciated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a question about Slackware.
I haven't done a lot of distro research, but I have an old Dell laptop (Pentium IV style), that I have been meaning to refurbish into an internet access/perl development system.
The system resources are limited enough that I don't think running Ubuntu (my current distro) would be a good idea on it.
Basically, I am curious if slackware is the right distro for a job like that.
I've heard it referenced on slashdot a lot now as a lightweight distribution so I really should just do some more research, however, since you seem to be a fan of it yourself (unless that was sarcasm, I hope not), maybe you could give me your take on it?
Any thoughts you have would be appreciated.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460318</id>
	<title>Re:Need root to install software?</title>
	<author>benjamindees</author>
	<datestamp>1259692920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>/usr is not world-writable on any distro I've used.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>/usr is not world-writable on any distro I 've used .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>/usr is not world-writable on any distro I've used.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30465232</id>
	<title>Re:What nonsense!</title>
	<author>htdrifter</author>
	<datestamp>1259666460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Ubuntu cribbed almost all of that stuff from RedHat/Fedora?</p></div><p>Ubuntu is based on Debian not RedHat.</p><p>Video resolution can be changed dynamically with CTRL/ALT plus or minus.<br>Most distros have a gui app to change the default resolution, fonts, font size. etc.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>without special package installation requirements</p></div><p>  Probably means dependencies.  Debian/Ubuntu handle that well.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ubuntu cribbed almost all of that stuff from RedHat/Fedora ? Ubuntu is based on Debian not RedHat.Video resolution can be changed dynamically with CTRL/ALT plus or minus.Most distros have a gui app to change the default resolution , fonts , font size .
etc.without special package installation requirements Probably means dependencies .
Debian/Ubuntu handle that well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ubuntu cribbed almost all of that stuff from RedHat/Fedora?Ubuntu is based on Debian not RedHat.Video resolution can be changed dynamically with CTRL/ALT plus or minus.Most distros have a gui app to change the default resolution, fonts, font size.
etc.without special package installation requirements  Probably means dependencies.
Debian/Ubuntu handle that well.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30461758</id>
	<title>Re:Slackware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259698440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Slackware was my first distro and lasted for about 4-5 years. IMO better and simpler than gentoo</p><p>if you want to learn the Linux internals. Nowadays I use SuSE for personal needs and in my workplace.</p><p>Recently I decided just for fun to install Slack on an old machine lying around and you know what slackware</p><p>needs to be doing? PROPER PACKAGE MANAGEEEEEEEEER FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!!</p><p>It was a fun ride with slack.... but never again!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Slackware was my first distro and lasted for about 4-5 years .
IMO better and simpler than gentooif you want to learn the Linux internals .
Nowadays I use SuSE for personal needs and in my workplace.Recently I decided just for fun to install Slack on an old machine lying around and you know what slackwareneeds to be doing ?
PROPER PACKAGE MANAGEEEEEEEEER FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ! ! ! !
! It was a fun ride with slack.... but never again !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slackware was my first distro and lasted for about 4-5 years.
IMO better and simpler than gentooif you want to learn the Linux internals.
Nowadays I use SuSE for personal needs and in my workplace.Recently I decided just for fun to install Slack on an old machine lying around and you know what slackwareneeds to be doing?
PROPER PACKAGE MANAGEEEEEEEEER FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!
!It was a fun ride with slack.... but never again!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30462258</id>
	<title>wow</title>
	<author>nomadic</author>
	<datestamp>1259699880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most generic slashdot story ever.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most generic slashdot story ever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most generic slashdot story ever.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30479684</id>
	<title>Re:Slackware</title>
	<author>BJ\_Covert\_Action</author>
	<datestamp>1261046460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Awesome! Thanks for the advice guys. I definitely will scope out more info on Slackware, Xubuntu, and Absolute Linux. This should be  a fun hobby for the New Year coming up =)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Awesome !
Thanks for the advice guys .
I definitely will scope out more info on Slackware , Xubuntu , and Absolute Linux .
This should be a fun hobby for the New Year coming up = )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Awesome!
Thanks for the advice guys.
I definitely will scope out more info on Slackware, Xubuntu, and Absolute Linux.
This should be  a fun hobby for the New Year coming up =)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460030</id>
	<title>Senior Citizen Linux</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259691840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Someone should make a version of Ubuntu or openSuse or Fedora or whatever that is designed for Seniors.  Large Fonts, easy to use, very little duplication of apps, no problems...  I bet it would spread far and wide.  We have the kids checking it out, time to take the seniors...

Also, why does all the netbook distros never fit the dialogs on the screen?  800x480 is not much to work with granted...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone should make a version of Ubuntu or openSuse or Fedora or whatever that is designed for Seniors .
Large Fonts , easy to use , very little duplication of apps , no problems... I bet it would spread far and wide .
We have the kids checking it out , time to take the seniors.. . Also , why does all the netbook distros never fit the dialogs on the screen ?
800x480 is not much to work with granted.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone should make a version of Ubuntu or openSuse or Fedora or whatever that is designed for Seniors.
Large Fonts, easy to use, very little duplication of apps, no problems...  I bet it would spread far and wide.
We have the kids checking it out, time to take the seniors...

Also, why does all the netbook distros never fit the dialogs on the screen?
800x480 is not much to work with granted...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460224</id>
	<title>Tried Ubuntu, switched back to Fedora</title>
	<author>Stone316</author>
	<datestamp>1259692560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I installed Ubuntu 8 on my kids computer and they loved it... I played about with it as well and liked it enough that once it came time to rebuild my linux box I decided to install 9.04... I have to say, i'm not impressed with 9.0.4... I have had issues with using the software manager to install new applications.. I miss the popular column and thought that was great.   Switching to a static IP address wasn't straight forward...    It seems that if you are the type of user that will just download it, install defaults and use it, then its fine.  But as soon as you want to make changes, it started to get painful.</p><p>So for now i'm switching back to Fedora.. Something i'm familiar with and just seems to work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I installed Ubuntu 8 on my kids computer and they loved it... I played about with it as well and liked it enough that once it came time to rebuild my linux box I decided to install 9.04... I have to say , i 'm not impressed with 9.0.4... I have had issues with using the software manager to install new applications.. I miss the popular column and thought that was great .
Switching to a static IP address was n't straight forward... It seems that if you are the type of user that will just download it , install defaults and use it , then its fine .
But as soon as you want to make changes , it started to get painful.So for now i 'm switching back to Fedora.. Something i 'm familiar with and just seems to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I installed Ubuntu 8 on my kids computer and they loved it... I played about with it as well and liked it enough that once it came time to rebuild my linux box I decided to install 9.04... I have to say, i'm not impressed with 9.0.4... I have had issues with using the software manager to install new applications.. I miss the popular column and thought that was great.
Switching to a static IP address wasn't straight forward...    It seems that if you are the type of user that will just download it, install defaults and use it, then its fine.
But as soon as you want to make changes, it started to get painful.So for now i'm switching back to Fedora.. Something i'm familiar with and just seems to work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30459714</id>
	<title>It doesn't matter at all</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259690880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does the distro work with your printer without any complicated installation procedures?<br>Does the distro work with your audio hardware without any complicated installation procedures?<br>Does the distro switch between all the resolutions supported by your video hardware?<br>Does the distro have a reasonably good package installation mechanism?<br>Does the distro support your applications without special package installation requirements?</p><p>If the answer is affirmative to all of the above, then you've got yourself a winner. It's very cool how Ubuntu has essentially forced every other distro to get up to speed on these seemingly basic features. Otherwise, the distros are just flavored differently. It's all the same under the hood.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does the distro work with your printer without any complicated installation procedures ? Does the distro work with your audio hardware without any complicated installation procedures ? Does the distro switch between all the resolutions supported by your video hardware ? Does the distro have a reasonably good package installation mechanism ? Does the distro support your applications without special package installation requirements ? If the answer is affirmative to all of the above , then you 've got yourself a winner .
It 's very cool how Ubuntu has essentially forced every other distro to get up to speed on these seemingly basic features .
Otherwise , the distros are just flavored differently .
It 's all the same under the hood .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does the distro work with your printer without any complicated installation procedures?Does the distro work with your audio hardware without any complicated installation procedures?Does the distro switch between all the resolutions supported by your video hardware?Does the distro have a reasonably good package installation mechanism?Does the distro support your applications without special package installation requirements?If the answer is affirmative to all of the above, then you've got yourself a winner.
It's very cool how Ubuntu has essentially forced every other distro to get up to speed on these seemingly basic features.
Otherwise, the distros are just flavored differently.
It's all the same under the hood.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30461728</id>
	<title>Re:Need root to install software?</title>
	<author>EvanED</author>
	<datestamp>1259698320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because it's a pain in the ass. Almost no package manager supports it, which means you have to do manual dependency resolution. (Package managers are, IMO, what makes the Linux way of not packaging almost all dependencies with your program, the way Windows programs typically do, remotely usable.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because it 's a pain in the ass .
Almost no package manager supports it , which means you have to do manual dependency resolution .
( Package managers are , IMO , what makes the Linux way of not packaging almost all dependencies with your program , the way Windows programs typically do , remotely usable .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because it's a pain in the ass.
Almost no package manager supports it, which means you have to do manual dependency resolution.
(Package managers are, IMO, what makes the Linux way of not packaging almost all dependencies with your program, the way Windows programs typically do, remotely usable.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460624</id>
	<title>Re:Slackware</title>
	<author>ojintoad</author>
	<datestamp>1259694000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's what I keep telling my mom when she yells at me to clean the basement.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what I keep telling my mom when she yells at me to clean the basement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what I keep telling my mom when she yells at me to clean the basement.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30459586</id>
	<title>What a load of crap</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259690520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And, Fedora's designers have assumed that its users are wiser than the general run of users. 'For example, in earlier versions, ordinary (non-admin) users could install software on Fedora without access to the root password.</p></div><p>So according to this "logic", Microsoft assumes that its users are wiser than the general run of users too?  Nice way to spin Fedora finally addressing this security issue, dude.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And , Fedora 's designers have assumed that its users are wiser than the general run of users .
'For example , in earlier versions , ordinary ( non-admin ) users could install software on Fedora without access to the root password.So according to this " logic " , Microsoft assumes that its users are wiser than the general run of users too ?
Nice way to spin Fedora finally addressing this security issue , dude .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And, Fedora's designers have assumed that its users are wiser than the general run of users.
'For example, in earlier versions, ordinary (non-admin) users could install software on Fedora without access to the root password.So according to this "logic", Microsoft assumes that its users are wiser than the general run of users too?
Nice way to spin Fedora finally addressing this security issue, dude.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460336</id>
	<title>Re:Senior Citizen Linux</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259692980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://neil.fraser.name/news/2004/etch.jpg" title="fraser.name" rel="nofollow">Done!</a> [fraser.name]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Done !
[ fraser.name ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Done!
[fraser.name]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30463352</id>
	<title>Re:Tried Ubuntu, switched back to Fedora</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259660040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This doesn't make sense, you switch to a static IP in Fedora the same way you do in ubuntu, you right click on the network icon in the panel, edit connections, click on the wired interface, edit, and then set the static IP in there like you do on every OS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This does n't make sense , you switch to a static IP in Fedora the same way you do in ubuntu , you right click on the network icon in the panel , edit connections , click on the wired interface , edit , and then set the static IP in there like you do on every OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This doesn't make sense, you switch to a static IP in Fedora the same way you do in ubuntu, you right click on the network icon in the panel, edit connections, click on the wired interface, edit, and then set the static IP in there like you do on every OS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460090</id>
	<title>Stop the hype BS.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259692080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's very cool how Ubuntu has essentially forced every other distro to get up to speed on these seemingly basic features.</p><p>Please stop saying inane things.</p><p>Nothing ubuntu has done the past 3 years is any better than lets say mandriva has done.</p><p>i tried Kubuntu 7.04 to install on friends computers and found taht PCLinuxOS which was #1 then was a much better 'just works out of box' experience.</p><p>Im typing this from Kubnutu9.10 and its no different than any other KDE distro. Actually, THAT is the thing my non Linuxy friends always say... its the same thing.<br>Your choice of distro for a first timer is a quesstion of taste when it comes to the big distros. The REAL decision is the desktop.<br>Since everyone comes over has used Windows, it makes sense to use a DE that is familiar to them.</p><p>But having used every Buntu since v7, I think your statement is nothing more than fanboi driven hype.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's very cool how Ubuntu has essentially forced every other distro to get up to speed on these seemingly basic features.Please stop saying inane things.Nothing ubuntu has done the past 3 years is any better than lets say mandriva has done.i tried Kubuntu 7.04 to install on friends computers and found taht PCLinuxOS which was # 1 then was a much better 'just works out of box ' experience.Im typing this from Kubnutu9.10 and its no different than any other KDE distro .
Actually , THAT is the thing my non Linuxy friends always say... its the same thing.Your choice of distro for a first timer is a quesstion of taste when it comes to the big distros .
The REAL decision is the desktop.Since everyone comes over has used Windows , it makes sense to use a DE that is familiar to them.But having used every Buntu since v7 , I think your statement is nothing more than fanboi driven hype .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's very cool how Ubuntu has essentially forced every other distro to get up to speed on these seemingly basic features.Please stop saying inane things.Nothing ubuntu has done the past 3 years is any better than lets say mandriva has done.i tried Kubuntu 7.04 to install on friends computers and found taht PCLinuxOS which was #1 then was a much better 'just works out of box' experience.Im typing this from Kubnutu9.10 and its no different than any other KDE distro.
Actually, THAT is the thing my non Linuxy friends always say... its the same thing.Your choice of distro for a first timer is a quesstion of taste when it comes to the big distros.
The REAL decision is the desktop.Since everyone comes over has used Windows, it makes sense to use a DE that is familiar to them.But having used every Buntu since v7, I think your statement is nothing more than fanboi driven hype.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30459756</id>
	<title>Re:What a load of crap</title>
	<author>HarrySquatter</author>
	<datestamp>1259691060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except you need admin access to install software in Program Files in Windows or to modify something like system32.  It's just that not a lot of people properly use a less priviledged account in Windows like they should (even though there has been support for this since Win2k).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except you need admin access to install software in Program Files in Windows or to modify something like system32 .
It 's just that not a lot of people properly use a less priviledged account in Windows like they should ( even though there has been support for this since Win2k ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except you need admin access to install software in Program Files in Windows or to modify something like system32.
It's just that not a lot of people properly use a less priviledged account in Windows like they should (even though there has been support for this since Win2k).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30461766</id>
	<title>The issue is NetworkManager</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259698500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a mis-statement: the Fedora 12 toolkit called 'NetworkManager' provided hooks to allow someone logged in at the *console* to install software with the "yum" command, if the package had registered GPG signature, as configured in "yum". Now, this is a stupid idea because it allows desktop users to install servers, even servers that are out of date and have zero day exploits, on the machine in front of them, without any root access.</p><p>Now, the 'NetworkManager' toolkit is fundamentally stupid. It's yet another layer of "management" dross, trying to do far too much. It was designed to keep network connections alive, particularly for laptop setups. It has *no business* touching package management, and should be ripped out by its quivering spleen from any server class and most desktop environments.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a mis-statement : the Fedora 12 toolkit called 'NetworkManager ' provided hooks to allow someone logged in at the * console * to install software with the " yum " command , if the package had registered GPG signature , as configured in " yum " .
Now , this is a stupid idea because it allows desktop users to install servers , even servers that are out of date and have zero day exploits , on the machine in front of them , without any root access.Now , the 'NetworkManager ' toolkit is fundamentally stupid .
It 's yet another layer of " management " dross , trying to do far too much .
It was designed to keep network connections alive , particularly for laptop setups .
It has * no business * touching package management , and should be ripped out by its quivering spleen from any server class and most desktop environments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a mis-statement: the Fedora 12 toolkit called 'NetworkManager' provided hooks to allow someone logged in at the *console* to install software with the "yum" command, if the package had registered GPG signature, as configured in "yum".
Now, this is a stupid idea because it allows desktop users to install servers, even servers that are out of date and have zero day exploits, on the machine in front of them, without any root access.Now, the 'NetworkManager' toolkit is fundamentally stupid.
It's yet another layer of "management" dross, trying to do far too much.
It was designed to keep network connections alive, particularly for laptop setups.
It has *no business* touching package management, and should be ripped out by its quivering spleen from any server class and most desktop environments.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30466568</id>
	<title>Re:It doesn't matter at all</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259671440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Forget apt-get, use aptitude. It can search packages in more ways than you can think of. If you need to know how, read the manual: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Forget apt-get , use aptitude .
It can search packages in more ways than you can think of .
If you need to know how , read the manual : http : //algebraicthunk.net/ ~ dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Forget apt-get, use aptitude.
It can search packages in more ways than you can think of.
If you need to know how, read the manual: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460960</id>
	<title>Re:Senior Citizen Linux</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1259695260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In a couple of decades Shuttleworth, Torvalds, and Stallman will all be old enough to take on this project themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In a couple of decades Shuttleworth , Torvalds , and Stallman will all be old enough to take on this project themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a couple of decades Shuttleworth, Torvalds, and Stallman will all be old enough to take on this project themselves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30462616</id>
	<title>Why run a monitor at less than max res</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1259700840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Really who runs their monitor at less than the max?</p></div><p>People with poor eyesight who use (poorly coded) apps and (poorly coded) web pages that make everything a fixed pixel size instead of reading the system DPI setting. Also people who value frame rate over detail.</p><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Does the distro support your applications without special package installation requirements?</p></div><p>What does this mean?</p></div><p>It means Wine, for one thing.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Really who runs their monitor at less than the max ? People with poor eyesight who use ( poorly coded ) apps and ( poorly coded ) web pages that make everything a fixed pixel size instead of reading the system DPI setting .
Also people who value frame rate over detail.Does the distro support your applications without special package installation requirements ? What does this mean ? It means Wine , for one thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really who runs their monitor at less than the max?People with poor eyesight who use (poorly coded) apps and (poorly coded) web pages that make everything a fixed pixel size instead of reading the system DPI setting.
Also people who value frame rate over detail.Does the distro support your applications without special package installation requirements?What does this mean?It means Wine, for one thing.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460204</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30462728</id>
	<title>Re:Slackware</title>
	<author>Maestro485</author>
	<datestamp>1259658000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm running Slackware on a laptop with a 1.8 GHz AMD processor and 512 MB of RAM and it works fine. Granted, Slackware recently made the upgrade to the latest KDE 4.x and the eye candy doesn't work without a video card, but it's not that big of a deal.
<br> <br>
One thing to keep in mind though, you need to have a pretty good grasp of the command line to get Slackware up and running. By default it only creates a root account during the installation and boots straight to a command line, so you'll have to get everything running manually. You'll also probably need to use command line tools to get your wireless connected too.
<br> <br>
Slackware is great on old hardware if you know what you're doing, and it's a great learning experience if you're a novice who wants to figure out how Linux really works.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm running Slackware on a laptop with a 1.8 GHz AMD processor and 512 MB of RAM and it works fine .
Granted , Slackware recently made the upgrade to the latest KDE 4.x and the eye candy does n't work without a video card , but it 's not that big of a deal .
One thing to keep in mind though , you need to have a pretty good grasp of the command line to get Slackware up and running .
By default it only creates a root account during the installation and boots straight to a command line , so you 'll have to get everything running manually .
You 'll also probably need to use command line tools to get your wireless connected too .
Slackware is great on old hardware if you know what you 're doing , and it 's a great learning experience if you 're a novice who wants to figure out how Linux really works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm running Slackware on a laptop with a 1.8 GHz AMD processor and 512 MB of RAM and it works fine.
Granted, Slackware recently made the upgrade to the latest KDE 4.x and the eye candy doesn't work without a video card, but it's not that big of a deal.
One thing to keep in mind though, you need to have a pretty good grasp of the command line to get Slackware up and running.
By default it only creates a root account during the installation and boots straight to a command line, so you'll have to get everything running manually.
You'll also probably need to use command line tools to get your wireless connected too.
Slackware is great on old hardware if you know what you're doing, and it's a great learning experience if you're a novice who wants to figure out how Linux really works.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460164</id>
	<title>Re:Meh</title>
	<author>mrsurb</author>
	<datestamp>1259692320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Speaking of which, how were they able to "manage each of them from other PCs with the OpenSSH remote control program"? I thought Ubuntu has never included sshd by default.</p></div><p>
I assume they configured it rather than just trying to manage it out-of-the-box.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Speaking of which , how were they able to " manage each of them from other PCs with the OpenSSH remote control program " ?
I thought Ubuntu has never included sshd by default .
I assume they configured it rather than just trying to manage it out-of-the-box .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking of which, how were they able to "manage each of them from other PCs with the OpenSSH remote control program"?
I thought Ubuntu has never included sshd by default.
I assume they configured it rather than just trying to manage it out-of-the-box.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460456</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>sbeckstead</author>
	<datestamp>1259693460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Who actually cares?  I would have thought that it was obvious and didn't need stating!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who actually cares ?
I would have thought that it was obvious and did n't need stating !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who actually cares?
I would have thought that it was obvious and didn't need stating!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460140</id>
	<title>Look alike???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259692260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He lost me at the first sentence when he said they look alike on the surface.  Since when did KDE look like Gnome?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He lost me at the first sentence when he said they look alike on the surface .
Since when did KDE look like Gnome ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He lost me at the first sentence when he said they look alike on the surface.
Since when did KDE look like Gnome?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30461196</id>
	<title>Gentoo</title>
	<author>jittles</author>
	<datestamp>1259696100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>So does that mean Gentoo is designed for users that have more free time?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So does that mean Gentoo is designed for users that have more free time ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So does that mean Gentoo is designed for users that have more free time?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30462858</id>
	<title>Re:Senior Citizen Linux</title>
	<author>bheer</author>
	<datestamp>1259658360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Someone should make a version of Ubuntu or openSuse or Fedora or whatever that is designed for Seniors. Large Fonts, easy to use, very little duplication of apps, no problems.</p></div></blockquote><p>The <a href="http://www.eldy.eu/" title="www.eldy.eu">Eldy project</a> [www.eldy.eu] does something like that; it's a shell over Linux (or Windows). The BBC had <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8352606.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">a story</a> [bbc.co.uk] about it some time back about <a href="http://www.discount-age.co.uk/simplicity\_computers/" title="discount-age.co.uk">Eldy-based PCs</a> [discount-age.co.uk] being sold to the elderly.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone should make a version of Ubuntu or openSuse or Fedora or whatever that is designed for Seniors .
Large Fonts , easy to use , very little duplication of apps , no problems.The Eldy project [ www.eldy.eu ] does something like that ; it 's a shell over Linux ( or Windows ) .
The BBC had a story [ bbc.co.uk ] about it some time back about Eldy-based PCs [ discount-age.co.uk ] being sold to the elderly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone should make a version of Ubuntu or openSuse or Fedora or whatever that is designed for Seniors.
Large Fonts, easy to use, very little duplication of apps, no problems.The Eldy project [www.eldy.eu] does something like that; it's a shell over Linux (or Windows).
The BBC had a story [bbc.co.uk] about it some time back about Eldy-based PCs [discount-age.co.uk] being sold to the elderly.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30463120</id>
	<title>I don't get it...</title>
	<author>beetlejuice321</author>
	<datestamp>1259659260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't get this article.  Comparing Linux distributions is a old game and debate not worth even having anymore.  With LSB and as others have mentioned all programs run exactly the same on all distributions.  What's the difference between installing Fedora, Gentoo, Ubuntu or Susu, and customizing it by installing your own dekstop etc?  Nothing!  All linux distributions are the exact same Linux.
</p><p>
The only difference is the package manager.  Thats it.  On a server side it makes since to care if you pay for vendor support, but for a dekstop it makes no difference.  It boils down to do you like RPM or Debian (or portage in Gentoos case) packages better.  Thats all.
</p><p>
The reason the author complains about Ubuntu is because they are driving an improved graphics performance in the desktop.  Pioneering new features (enabling desktop effects etc).  This is something that people want and is needed if you want to attract people from Mac OS and Windows (Vista/7).  If the author had installed the same features on Suse or Fedora, he would have noticed his Intel drivers had problems with those distro's as well...because its Linux, not Ubuntu with the Intel driver problem.
</p><p>
I have used just about every major Linux distribution out there, and a couple years ago I switched to Ubuntu.  Ubuntu just works, but mostly its the community.  Ubuntu has such an incredible amount of support from a world wide community, it makes it a breeze to accomplish just about any task you may find yourself needing help with.
</p><p>
I wish Linux users would stop worrying about who has the biggest #$@@, and start comparing themselves to something really competitive, like doing things better and faster then Windows or Mac!  I am tired of games not running, online streaming content (audio/video) partial working, and the lack of developed software such as beta versions of everthing from Skype to other apps.  If you want Linux taken seriously by software developers, why not start unifying efforts to make "Linux" better.  Instead of complaining about why some distro isn't as good as another.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't get this article .
Comparing Linux distributions is a old game and debate not worth even having anymore .
With LSB and as others have mentioned all programs run exactly the same on all distributions .
What 's the difference between installing Fedora , Gentoo , Ubuntu or Susu , and customizing it by installing your own dekstop etc ?
Nothing ! All linux distributions are the exact same Linux .
The only difference is the package manager .
Thats it .
On a server side it makes since to care if you pay for vendor support , but for a dekstop it makes no difference .
It boils down to do you like RPM or Debian ( or portage in Gentoos case ) packages better .
Thats all .
The reason the author complains about Ubuntu is because they are driving an improved graphics performance in the desktop .
Pioneering new features ( enabling desktop effects etc ) .
This is something that people want and is needed if you want to attract people from Mac OS and Windows ( Vista/7 ) .
If the author had installed the same features on Suse or Fedora , he would have noticed his Intel drivers had problems with those distro 's as well...because its Linux , not Ubuntu with the Intel driver problem .
I have used just about every major Linux distribution out there , and a couple years ago I switched to Ubuntu .
Ubuntu just works , but mostly its the community .
Ubuntu has such an incredible amount of support from a world wide community , it makes it a breeze to accomplish just about any task you may find yourself needing help with .
I wish Linux users would stop worrying about who has the biggest # $ @ @ , and start comparing themselves to something really competitive , like doing things better and faster then Windows or Mac !
I am tired of games not running , online streaming content ( audio/video ) partial working , and the lack of developed software such as beta versions of everthing from Skype to other apps .
If you want Linux taken seriously by software developers , why not start unifying efforts to make " Linux " better .
Instead of complaining about why some distro is n't as good as another .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't get this article.
Comparing Linux distributions is a old game and debate not worth even having anymore.
With LSB and as others have mentioned all programs run exactly the same on all distributions.
What's the difference between installing Fedora, Gentoo, Ubuntu or Susu, and customizing it by installing your own dekstop etc?
Nothing!  All linux distributions are the exact same Linux.
The only difference is the package manager.
Thats it.
On a server side it makes since to care if you pay for vendor support, but for a dekstop it makes no difference.
It boils down to do you like RPM or Debian (or portage in Gentoos case) packages better.
Thats all.
The reason the author complains about Ubuntu is because they are driving an improved graphics performance in the desktop.
Pioneering new features (enabling desktop effects etc).
This is something that people want and is needed if you want to attract people from Mac OS and Windows (Vista/7).
If the author had installed the same features on Suse or Fedora, he would have noticed his Intel drivers had problems with those distro's as well...because its Linux, not Ubuntu with the Intel driver problem.
I have used just about every major Linux distribution out there, and a couple years ago I switched to Ubuntu.
Ubuntu just works, but mostly its the community.
Ubuntu has such an incredible amount of support from a world wide community, it makes it a breeze to accomplish just about any task you may find yourself needing help with.
I wish Linux users would stop worrying about who has the biggest #$@@, and start comparing themselves to something really competitive, like doing things better and faster then Windows or Mac!
I am tired of games not running, online streaming content (audio/video) partial working, and the lack of developed software such as beta versions of everthing from Skype to other apps.
If you want Linux taken seriously by software developers, why not start unifying efforts to make "Linux" better.
Instead of complaining about why some distro isn't as good as another.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460084</id>
	<title>Of course</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259692080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are a lot of kinds of gay out there, and it is downright homophobic to assume it's all of the flamboyant Richard Simmons variety.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are a lot of kinds of gay out there , and it is downright homophobic to assume it 's all of the flamboyant Richard Simmons variety .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are a lot of kinds of gay out there, and it is downright homophobic to assume it's all of the flamboyant Richard Simmons variety.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460348</id>
	<title>Slackware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259693040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you can't do it with Slackware, it doesn't need doing.

</p><p>:-)

</p><p>...laura</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you ca n't do it with Slackware , it does n't need doing .
: - ) ...laura</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can't do it with Slackware, it doesn't need doing.
:-)

...laura</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30466094</id>
	<title>Re:Take with a grain of salt.</title>
	<author>mathfeel</author>
	<datestamp>1259669160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Speaking of easy, openSUSE is also the first of the major Linux distros that makes it simple to upgrade the system over the Internet. With most distros, you need to download an ISO image of the new release and then boot from it to upgrade your Linux distribution. However, I was able to do an in-place upgrade of openSUSE 11.1 to 11.2 on my ThinkPad over a Wi-Fi connection. This arrangement makes upgrading the entire operating system as simple as installing one really big program.</p></div><p>You can dispute the definition of "popular" or "major", but Gentoo user has been doing this since day one. In fact, there is no such thing as major version upgrade. You just emerge --update incrementally. I do it about twice a month.  Everything is over the internet.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Speaking of easy , openSUSE is also the first of the major Linux distros that makes it simple to upgrade the system over the Internet .
With most distros , you need to download an ISO image of the new release and then boot from it to upgrade your Linux distribution .
However , I was able to do an in-place upgrade of openSUSE 11.1 to 11.2 on my ThinkPad over a Wi-Fi connection .
This arrangement makes upgrading the entire operating system as simple as installing one really big program.You can dispute the definition of " popular " or " major " , but Gentoo user has been doing this since day one .
In fact , there is no such thing as major version upgrade .
You just emerge --update incrementally .
I do it about twice a month .
Everything is over the internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking of easy, openSUSE is also the first of the major Linux distros that makes it simple to upgrade the system over the Internet.
With most distros, you need to download an ISO image of the new release and then boot from it to upgrade your Linux distribution.
However, I was able to do an in-place upgrade of openSUSE 11.1 to 11.2 on my ThinkPad over a Wi-Fi connection.
This arrangement makes upgrading the entire operating system as simple as installing one really big program.You can dispute the definition of "popular" or "major", but Gentoo user has been doing this since day one.
In fact, there is no such thing as major version upgrade.
You just emerge --update incrementally.
I do it about twice a month.
Everything is over the internet.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30461134</id>
	<title>Fedora GCC requires root password?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259695860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I propose a new Linux flavor called FascOSX, where GCC requires a root password, a thumb-print, a retinal scan and an anal probe inserted to verify the DNA in your colon. No, wait, that's FagOSX and Apple already sells it. Never mind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I propose a new Linux flavor called FascOSX , where GCC requires a root password , a thumb-print , a retinal scan and an anal probe inserted to verify the DNA in your colon .
No , wait , that 's FagOSX and Apple already sells it .
Never mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I propose a new Linux flavor called FascOSX, where GCC requires a root password, a thumb-print, a retinal scan and an anal probe inserted to verify the DNA in your colon.
No, wait, that's FagOSX and Apple already sells it.
Never mind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30466208</id>
	<title>Mandriva? Why?</title>
	<author>hduff</author>
	<datestamp>1259669760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mandriva offers an RPM-based distro, excellent admin tools (GUI and CLI), good hardware support and a wide range of packages. It's one of the major distros yet it always seems to be ignored in these comparisons. Why?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mandriva offers an RPM-based distro , excellent admin tools ( GUI and CLI ) , good hardware support and a wide range of packages .
It 's one of the major distros yet it always seems to be ignored in these comparisons .
Why ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mandriva offers an RPM-based distro, excellent admin tools (GUI and CLI), good hardware support and a wide range of packages.
It's one of the major distros yet it always seems to be ignored in these comparisons.
Why?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460074</id>
	<title>root password??</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1259692020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>As of this version, however, local users will need to enter the root password before they can install software (as they do on almost all other Linux distributions).'"</i></p><p>You don't need to enter the root password on Ubuntu or Debian; you enter your own password.  And that works if you have administrator privileges, which is a choice while setting up accounts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As of this version , however , local users will need to enter the root password before they can install software ( as they do on almost all other Linux distributions ) .
' " You do n't need to enter the root password on Ubuntu or Debian ; you enter your own password .
And that works if you have administrator privileges , which is a choice while setting up accounts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As of this version, however, local users will need to enter the root password before they can install software (as they do on almost all other Linux distributions).
'"You don't need to enter the root password on Ubuntu or Debian; you enter your own password.
And that works if you have administrator privileges, which is a choice while setting up accounts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30476448</id>
	<title>Re:It doesn't matter at all</title>
	<author>thinkloop</author>
	<datestamp>1261078140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>apt-cache search cgi</htmltext>
<tokenext>apt-cache search cgi</tokentext>
<sentencetext>apt-cache search cgi</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30461806</id>
	<title>Re:For different users?</title>
	<author>flak89</author>
	<datestamp>1259698680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I must agree. I haven't used Linux in a while. I was using it as a desktop on a box and as a firewall on another. I was using Slackware (~7.0) and well, as far as I was able to tell, I could do anything with it. Switch desktop manager, disable everything, just do FTP serv, burn CD... etc..

I am wondering why one would fit better to a non-expert user than another. It is not all the same ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I must agree .
I have n't used Linux in a while .
I was using it as a desktop on a box and as a firewall on another .
I was using Slackware ( ~ 7.0 ) and well , as far as I was able to tell , I could do anything with it .
Switch desktop manager , disable everything , just do FTP serv , burn CD... etc. . I am wondering why one would fit better to a non-expert user than another .
It is not all the same ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I must agree.
I haven't used Linux in a while.
I was using it as a desktop on a box and as a firewall on another.
I was using Slackware (~7.0) and well, as far as I was able to tell, I could do anything with it.
Switch desktop manager, disable everything, just do FTP serv, burn CD... etc..

I am wondering why one would fit better to a non-expert user than another.
It is not all the same ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30468608</id>
	<title>Re:Slackware</title>
	<author>evilviper</author>
	<datestamp>1259685060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If you can't do it with Slackware, it doesn't need doing.</p></div></blockquote><p>Actually, I'd say:  If you can't do it with a given Linux distro, try it on Slackware before deciding Linux can't do it.</p><p>A store list of things I hate about EVERY LINUX DISTRO OTHER THAN SLACKWARE:</p><p>Devel packages.  Why the hell aren't the 2KBs of headers included in the main RPM, and instead included in a 20MB package?  Yes, sooner or later, I, and everyone else on the planet, is going to want to compile at least one program from source, and having the configure script squawk  about missing 50 packages the user has installed, and then requiring a huge search and install-fest of dev packages, is a huge nightmare, and so utterly unnecessary, it's beyond ridiculous.</p><p>Customized pakcages.  Quit changing the layout of every application out there.  Dropping your bookmarks into Firefox is one thing, but why do you need to move all the damn panel buttons around, change color schemes, etc.?  It's as if each Linux distro believes they are a world unto themselves, don't trust upstream know what they are doing, or bother to send their recomended changes to upstream in the first place.</p><p>Buggy crap programs...  If you can't be bothered to test them, don't release them.  Leave it alone.</p><p>Weird reconfiguration.  Quit screwing with defaults, and changing configurable options to something insane.  I don't want rm to prompt me FOR EVERY DAMN FILE UNDER THE TREE, and NO, it's NOT okay to require me to abuse the --force option, which has a necessary job as it is.  I don't want whois to print a massive banner, and then return only the expiration date on the domain.  Nobody else's whois tool is so fucked up, fix the damn thing.</p><p>Dependencies.  I understand the desire to track dependencies, but you damn well better prompt the user before you install 2GBs worth of crap to support a single app, and make it easy to use yum/apt for a single package WITHOUT dependencies.  Once again, somewhere along the lines, users will find a need to compile a package from source, and I don't mean SRPM.</p><p>And on the same note, dependency creep needs to be headed off...  Stop taking the defaults of configure, just letting it link to every other app on the planet for each trivial feature.  If an image viewer wants to install all of GNOME/KDE to provide slightly prettier window borders, that shit should just be shut the hell off by any package maker not completely comatose.  Wake up!  I don't give a rats ass that GNOME/KDE is your default desktop, and if EVERY PACKAGE is linked against them, you're just forcing those with slightly different preferences to not use your distro AT ALL.  There's no damn reason for it.</p><p>that's enough for today.  Time for my meds.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you ca n't do it with Slackware , it does n't need doing.Actually , I 'd say : If you ca n't do it with a given Linux distro , try it on Slackware before deciding Linux ca n't do it.A store list of things I hate about EVERY LINUX DISTRO OTHER THAN SLACKWARE : Devel packages .
Why the hell are n't the 2KBs of headers included in the main RPM , and instead included in a 20MB package ?
Yes , sooner or later , I , and everyone else on the planet , is going to want to compile at least one program from source , and having the configure script squawk about missing 50 packages the user has installed , and then requiring a huge search and install-fest of dev packages , is a huge nightmare , and so utterly unnecessary , it 's beyond ridiculous.Customized pakcages .
Quit changing the layout of every application out there .
Dropping your bookmarks into Firefox is one thing , but why do you need to move all the damn panel buttons around , change color schemes , etc. ?
It 's as if each Linux distro believes they are a world unto themselves , do n't trust upstream know what they are doing , or bother to send their recomended changes to upstream in the first place.Buggy crap programs... If you ca n't be bothered to test them , do n't release them .
Leave it alone.Weird reconfiguration .
Quit screwing with defaults , and changing configurable options to something insane .
I do n't want rm to prompt me FOR EVERY DAMN FILE UNDER THE TREE , and NO , it 's NOT okay to require me to abuse the --force option , which has a necessary job as it is .
I do n't want whois to print a massive banner , and then return only the expiration date on the domain .
Nobody else 's whois tool is so fucked up , fix the damn thing.Dependencies .
I understand the desire to track dependencies , but you damn well better prompt the user before you install 2GBs worth of crap to support a single app , and make it easy to use yum/apt for a single package WITHOUT dependencies .
Once again , somewhere along the lines , users will find a need to compile a package from source , and I do n't mean SRPM.And on the same note , dependency creep needs to be headed off... Stop taking the defaults of configure , just letting it link to every other app on the planet for each trivial feature .
If an image viewer wants to install all of GNOME/KDE to provide slightly prettier window borders , that shit should just be shut the hell off by any package maker not completely comatose .
Wake up !
I do n't give a rats ass that GNOME/KDE is your default desktop , and if EVERY PACKAGE is linked against them , you 're just forcing those with slightly different preferences to not use your distro AT ALL .
There 's no damn reason for it.that 's enough for today .
Time for my meds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can't do it with Slackware, it doesn't need doing.Actually, I'd say:  If you can't do it with a given Linux distro, try it on Slackware before deciding Linux can't do it.A store list of things I hate about EVERY LINUX DISTRO OTHER THAN SLACKWARE:Devel packages.
Why the hell aren't the 2KBs of headers included in the main RPM, and instead included in a 20MB package?
Yes, sooner or later, I, and everyone else on the planet, is going to want to compile at least one program from source, and having the configure script squawk  about missing 50 packages the user has installed, and then requiring a huge search and install-fest of dev packages, is a huge nightmare, and so utterly unnecessary, it's beyond ridiculous.Customized pakcages.
Quit changing the layout of every application out there.
Dropping your bookmarks into Firefox is one thing, but why do you need to move all the damn panel buttons around, change color schemes, etc.?
It's as if each Linux distro believes they are a world unto themselves, don't trust upstream know what they are doing, or bother to send their recomended changes to upstream in the first place.Buggy crap programs...  If you can't be bothered to test them, don't release them.
Leave it alone.Weird reconfiguration.
Quit screwing with defaults, and changing configurable options to something insane.
I don't want rm to prompt me FOR EVERY DAMN FILE UNDER THE TREE, and NO, it's NOT okay to require me to abuse the --force option, which has a necessary job as it is.
I don't want whois to print a massive banner, and then return only the expiration date on the domain.
Nobody else's whois tool is so fucked up, fix the damn thing.Dependencies.
I understand the desire to track dependencies, but you damn well better prompt the user before you install 2GBs worth of crap to support a single app, and make it easy to use yum/apt for a single package WITHOUT dependencies.
Once again, somewhere along the lines, users will find a need to compile a package from source, and I don't mean SRPM.And on the same note, dependency creep needs to be headed off...  Stop taking the defaults of configure, just letting it link to every other app on the planet for each trivial feature.
If an image viewer wants to install all of GNOME/KDE to provide slightly prettier window borders, that shit should just be shut the hell off by any package maker not completely comatose.
Wake up!
I don't give a rats ass that GNOME/KDE is your default desktop, and if EVERY PACKAGE is linked against them, you're just forcing those with slightly different preferences to not use your distro AT ALL.
There's no damn reason for it.that's enough for today.
Time for my meds.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30463054</id>
	<title>If its not KDE 3.5.10 and Debian based forget it!</title>
	<author>rec9140</author>
	<datestamp>1259659020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where I start on distros, personally -</p><p>1) Debian Based - YES, continue... NO - FAILURE/END</p><p>2) KDE as the DEFAULT or ONLY WM, YES, continue... NO - FAILURE/END</p><p>3) KDE 4.x, NO, continue... YES - FAILURE/END</p><p>4) Does not include - miguel msshillnboi de izaga diseases ie: mono etc..YES, continue... NO - FAILURE/END</p><p>Currrent fav: KMint aka Linux Mint CE Elyssa</p><p>Up and coming fav: KUbuntu Karmic KDE 3.5.10+ Edition</p><p>For work: I have standardized on CentOS 5.4, while I dislike RPM based systems the vast majority of servers and hosting centers etc.. are based on this so it makes it easier just to go with the flow on this in the server area. None use X so its not a big deal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where I start on distros , personally -1 ) Debian Based - YES , continue... NO - FAILURE/END2 ) KDE as the DEFAULT or ONLY WM , YES , continue... NO - FAILURE/END3 ) KDE 4.x , NO , continue... YES - FAILURE/END4 ) Does not include - miguel msshillnboi de izaga diseases ie : mono etc..YES , continue... NO - FAILURE/ENDCurrrent fav : KMint aka Linux Mint CE ElyssaUp and coming fav : KUbuntu Karmic KDE 3.5.10 + EditionFor work : I have standardized on CentOS 5.4 , while I dislike RPM based systems the vast majority of servers and hosting centers etc.. are based on this so it makes it easier just to go with the flow on this in the server area .
None use X so its not a big deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where I start on distros, personally -1) Debian Based - YES, continue... NO - FAILURE/END2) KDE as the DEFAULT or ONLY WM, YES, continue... NO - FAILURE/END3) KDE 4.x, NO, continue... YES - FAILURE/END4) Does not include - miguel msshillnboi de izaga diseases ie: mono etc..YES, continue... NO - FAILURE/ENDCurrrent fav: KMint aka Linux Mint CE ElyssaUp and coming fav: KUbuntu Karmic KDE 3.5.10+ EditionFor work: I have standardized on CentOS 5.4, while I dislike RPM based systems the vast majority of servers and hosting centers etc.. are based on this so it makes it easier just to go with the flow on this in the server area.
None use X so its not a big deal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30464034</id>
	<title>Re:Senior Citizen Linux</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259662620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Someone should make a version of Ubuntu or openSuse or Fedora or whatever that is designed for Seniors.  Large Fonts, easy to use, very little duplication of apps, no problems...  I bet it would spread far and wide.  We have the kids checking it out, time to take the seniors.....</p></div><p>Someone does.</p><p>There is a German, Swedish living, elderly gentleman who has started to tinker with something he calls Gubbuntu-Remix ("gubbe" == "old man" in Swedish). It is based on Ubuntu with Hildon. His homepage is in broken Swedish and he's very active in a lot of Swedish (and propably German language) Ubuntu related forums on the 'net. Here is <a href="http://www.littlejohn.se/index.php?option=com\_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=51:omsidan&amp;catid=35:gubbtjafs&amp;Itemid=28" title="littlejohn.se" rel="nofollow">his about-page where he mentions Gubbuntu-Remix</a> [littlejohn.se]. If you want more information you will have to hunt it down on a lot of different Swedish forums or perhaps contact him.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone should make a version of Ubuntu or openSuse or Fedora or whatever that is designed for Seniors .
Large Fonts , easy to use , very little duplication of apps , no problems... I bet it would spread far and wide .
We have the kids checking it out , time to take the seniors.....Someone does.There is a German , Swedish living , elderly gentleman who has started to tinker with something he calls Gubbuntu-Remix ( " gubbe " = = " old man " in Swedish ) .
It is based on Ubuntu with Hildon .
His homepage is in broken Swedish and he 's very active in a lot of Swedish ( and propably German language ) Ubuntu related forums on the 'net .
Here is his about-page where he mentions Gubbuntu-Remix [ littlejohn.se ] .
If you want more information you will have to hunt it down on a lot of different Swedish forums or perhaps contact him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone should make a version of Ubuntu or openSuse or Fedora or whatever that is designed for Seniors.
Large Fonts, easy to use, very little duplication of apps, no problems...  I bet it would spread far and wide.
We have the kids checking it out, time to take the seniors.....Someone does.There is a German, Swedish living, elderly gentleman who has started to tinker with something he calls Gubbuntu-Remix ("gubbe" == "old man" in Swedish).
It is based on Ubuntu with Hildon.
His homepage is in broken Swedish and he's very active in a lot of Swedish (and propably German language) Ubuntu related forums on the 'net.
Here is his about-page where he mentions Gubbuntu-Remix [littlejohn.se].
If you want more information you will have to hunt it down on a lot of different Swedish forums or perhaps contact him.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30467386</id>
	<title>Re:Need root to install software?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259676180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can for (AFAIK) anything that's compiled with automake.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>./configure --prefix=$HOME<br>make<br>make install</p><p>Also look into checkinstall - it helps make self-compiled programs able to be removed by the package manager.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can for ( AFAIK ) anything that 's compiled with automake .
./configure --prefix = $ HOMEmakemake installAlso look into checkinstall - it helps make self-compiled programs able to be removed by the package manager .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can for (AFAIK) anything that's compiled with automake.
./configure --prefix=$HOMEmakemake installAlso look into checkinstall - it helps make self-compiled programs able to be removed by the package manager.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30469954</id>
	<title>Re:A certain lack of iron uniformity.</title>
	<author>rrohbeck</author>
	<datestamp>1259696280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>RPM sucks. Or it's just the way the repos are managed, I don't know.<br>Each time you download and try to install an oldish RPM (say from Redhat 4 days) you'll start hunting down glibc-something-or-other or glibc-compat-someversion. Try to install the generic VNC package from realvnc on RHEL 5 for example.<br>This has never happened to me with Debian/Ubuntu. If it's available the package manager finds all dependencies as long as you have all repos enabled, period.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>RPM sucks .
Or it 's just the way the repos are managed , I do n't know.Each time you download and try to install an oldish RPM ( say from Redhat 4 days ) you 'll start hunting down glibc-something-or-other or glibc-compat-someversion .
Try to install the generic VNC package from realvnc on RHEL 5 for example.This has never happened to me with Debian/Ubuntu .
If it 's available the package manager finds all dependencies as long as you have all repos enabled , period .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RPM sucks.
Or it's just the way the repos are managed, I don't know.Each time you download and try to install an oldish RPM (say from Redhat 4 days) you'll start hunting down glibc-something-or-other or glibc-compat-someversion.
Try to install the generic VNC package from realvnc on RHEL 5 for example.This has never happened to me with Debian/Ubuntu.
If it's available the package manager finds all dependencies as long as you have all repos enabled, period.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460328</id>
	<title>Re:Need root to install software?</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1259692980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've got to say, this is a huge feature that most package managers are missing.  If I can download an archive, unpack it, and run it from ~, I should be able to install a package under ~ as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got to say , this is a huge feature that most package managers are missing .
If I can download an archive , unpack it , and run it from ~ , I should be able to install a package under ~ as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got to say, this is a huge feature that most package managers are missing.
If I can download an archive, unpack it, and run it from ~, I should be able to install a package under ~ as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30459866</id>
	<title>Re:It doesn't matter at all</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259691360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You forgot "Does the distro work with your network card?" This should be the top focus of any distribution. I have an old wireless cheap PnP card that isn't supported by default in most distros.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You forgot " Does the distro work with your network card ?
" This should be the top focus of any distribution .
I have an old wireless cheap PnP card that is n't supported by default in most distros .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You forgot "Does the distro work with your network card?
" This should be the top focus of any distribution.
I have an old wireless cheap PnP card that isn't supported by default in most distros.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30461168</id>
	<title>Re:What nonsense!</title>
	<author>man\_of\_mr\_e</author>
	<datestamp>1259696040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"without special package installation requirements" What does this mean? Does that mean that the distribution is bloated out with extra stuff that only a few users need? Why is this an advantage?</i></p><p>It means "doesn't need version blah.x.01.pre-something-or-other" with "foobar support compiled in" while another app requires the same version without foobar support compiled in.</p><p>It's a common myth that Linux doesn't have shared-library hell, and 99\% of the time Linux handles multiple versions of the same library just fine, but there are times when two apps need the same version of a shared library configured in different ways and won't work with the others configuration.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" without special package installation requirements " What does this mean ?
Does that mean that the distribution is bloated out with extra stuff that only a few users need ?
Why is this an advantage ? It means " does n't need version blah.x.01.pre-something-or-other " with " foobar support compiled in " while another app requires the same version without foobar support compiled in.It 's a common myth that Linux does n't have shared-library hell , and 99 \ % of the time Linux handles multiple versions of the same library just fine , but there are times when two apps need the same version of a shared library configured in different ways and wo n't work with the others configuration .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"without special package installation requirements" What does this mean?
Does that mean that the distribution is bloated out with extra stuff that only a few users need?
Why is this an advantage?It means "doesn't need version blah.x.01.pre-something-or-other" with "foobar support compiled in" while another app requires the same version without foobar support compiled in.It's a common myth that Linux doesn't have shared-library hell, and 99\% of the time Linux handles multiple versions of the same library just fine, but there are times when two apps need the same version of a shared library configured in different ways and won't work with the others configuration.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460204</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30467704</id>
	<title>Re:Slackware</title>
	<author>gbarules2999</author>
	<datestamp>1259678160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Try out Absolute Linux as a desktop for a little bit to get used to Slackware's differences. It's a good, lightweight system that's mostly Slackware.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try out Absolute Linux as a desktop for a little bit to get used to Slackware 's differences .
It 's a good , lightweight system that 's mostly Slackware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try out Absolute Linux as a desktop for a little bit to get used to Slackware's differences.
It's a good, lightweight system that's mostly Slackware.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30461278</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30459944</id>
	<title>Need root to install software?</title>
	<author>wiredog</author>
	<datestamp>1259691600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why can't you just install to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/usr/$username/bin? They disallow that these days?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ca n't you just install to /usr/ $ username/bin ?
They disallow that these days ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why can't you just install to /usr/$username/bin?
They disallow that these days?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30461170</id>
	<title>Please, more information more NEWS and explain</title>
	<author>Noitatsidem</author>
	<datestamp>1259696040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This isn't news, this is a random fact, with one source cited-- in other words a claim. You pretty much shortened the linked article down by a tiny bit, and posted this...</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't news , this is a random fact , with one source cited-- in other words a claim .
You pretty much shortened the linked article down by a tiny bit , and posted this.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't news, this is a random fact, with one source cited-- in other words a claim.
You pretty much shortened the linked article down by a tiny bit, and posted this...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30464174</id>
	<title>Re:Gentoo</title>
	<author>wastedlife</author>
	<datestamp>1259663040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, Gentoo is a fabulous habit to get yourself to walk away from your computer for a while and do something else.</p><p>"Well, OpenOffice is compiling, time to shower, shave, get a job, get married, and have a few kids. Hopefully it will be done by the time I get back."</p><p>Note to any offended by this or the parent post: Fucking relax for a minute and stop taking your favorite distribution so seriously. Throwing a hissy-fit over it won't help improve its perception.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , Gentoo is a fabulous habit to get yourself to walk away from your computer for a while and do something else .
" Well , OpenOffice is compiling , time to shower , shave , get a job , get married , and have a few kids .
Hopefully it will be done by the time I get back .
" Note to any offended by this or the parent post : Fucking relax for a minute and stop taking your favorite distribution so seriously .
Throwing a hissy-fit over it wo n't help improve its perception .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, Gentoo is a fabulous habit to get yourself to walk away from your computer for a while and do something else.
"Well, OpenOffice is compiling, time to shower, shave, get a job, get married, and have a few kids.
Hopefully it will be done by the time I get back.
"Note to any offended by this or the parent post: Fucking relax for a minute and stop taking your favorite distribution so seriously.
Throwing a hissy-fit over it won't help improve its perception.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30461196</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30466706</id>
	<title>Re:It doesn't matter at all</title>
	<author>mightyteegar</author>
	<datestamp>1259672160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I haven't figured out a similar feature for apt-get or dpkg, despite reading the man pages. As for RPM...I haven't spent much time with RH-based distros, so I don't feel qualified to answer.</p></div><p>apt-cache --names-only search cgi</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't figured out a similar feature for apt-get or dpkg , despite reading the man pages .
As for RPM...I have n't spent much time with RH-based distros , so I do n't feel qualified to answer.apt-cache --names-only search cgi</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't figured out a similar feature for apt-get or dpkg, despite reading the man pages.
As for RPM...I haven't spent much time with RH-based distros, so I don't feel qualified to answer.apt-cache --names-only search cgi
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30462976</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30462934</id>
	<title>Re:Linux sucks. Closed source FTW.</title>
	<author>blakedev</author>
	<datestamp>1259658600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I miss the good ol' days when a post like that wouldn't be considered "insightful" on slashdot.
Actually I miss when an article like this wouldn't really have been posted.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I miss the good ol ' days when a post like that would n't be considered " insightful " on slashdot .
Actually I miss when an article like this would n't really have been posted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I miss the good ol' days when a post like that wouldn't be considered "insightful" on slashdot.
Actually I miss when an article like this wouldn't really have been posted.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460652</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30459962</id>
	<title>no root password?</title>
	<author>burnin1965</author>
	<datestamp>1259691600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>in earlier versions, ordinary (non-admin) users could install software on Fedora without access to the root password</p></div></blockquote><p>huh?</p><p>I've used every version of Fedora linux and before that I've used Red Hat Linux from version 4.2 until Fedora Core 1. I don't recall ever having the ability to install software without providing the root password. In fact, when this type of insecure feature was implemented in Fedora 12 it caused a huge uproar and the insecure feature was removed in an update.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>in earlier versions , ordinary ( non-admin ) users could install software on Fedora without access to the root passwordhuh ? I 've used every version of Fedora linux and before that I 've used Red Hat Linux from version 4.2 until Fedora Core 1 .
I do n't recall ever having the ability to install software without providing the root password .
In fact , when this type of insecure feature was implemented in Fedora 12 it caused a huge uproar and the insecure feature was removed in an update .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>in earlier versions, ordinary (non-admin) users could install software on Fedora without access to the root passwordhuh?I've used every version of Fedora linux and before that I've used Red Hat Linux from version 4.2 until Fedora Core 1.
I don't recall ever having the ability to install software without providing the root password.
In fact, when this type of insecure feature was implemented in Fedora 12 it caused a huge uproar and the insecure feature was removed in an update.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30459938</id>
	<title>Re:It doesn't matter at all</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259691540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's very cool how Ubuntu has essentially forced every other distro to get up to speed on these seemingly basic features.</p></div><p>I would just point out that everything in your list was available before Ubuntu in distributions such as Mandrake.  I'm not going to say you're wrong, though, since Ubuntu did bring something important to the table which apparently did provide a boost: a rich guy who wanted to spend a lot of it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's very cool how Ubuntu has essentially forced every other distro to get up to speed on these seemingly basic features.I would just point out that everything in your list was available before Ubuntu in distributions such as Mandrake .
I 'm not going to say you 're wrong , though , since Ubuntu did bring something important to the table which apparently did provide a boost : a rich guy who wanted to spend a lot of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's very cool how Ubuntu has essentially forced every other distro to get up to speed on these seemingly basic features.I would just point out that everything in your list was available before Ubuntu in distributions such as Mandrake.
I'm not going to say you're wrong, though, since Ubuntu did bring something important to the table which apparently did provide a boost: a rich guy who wanted to spend a lot of it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30459714</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30464944</id>
	<title>Re:Slackware</title>
	<author>geekgirlandrea</author>
	<datestamp>1259665560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pffft.  You mean Linux From Scratch, right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pffft .
You mean Linux From Scratch , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pffft.
You mean Linux From Scratch, right?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30463914</id>
	<title>Re:Need root to install software?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259662200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've got to say, this is a huge feature that most package managers are missing.  If I can download an archive, unpack it, and run it from ~, I should be able to install a package under ~ as well.</p></div><p>You fail to consider that some packages/daemons are tightly integrated with the system and inherently require root access to install, access or maintain.</p><p>You can theoretically download any kind of archive, unpack it and run it from anywhere where your permissions allow.</p><p>Whether you can compile and install it however is another matter entirely.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got to say , this is a huge feature that most package managers are missing .
If I can download an archive , unpack it , and run it from ~ , I should be able to install a package under ~ as well.You fail to consider that some packages/daemons are tightly integrated with the system and inherently require root access to install , access or maintain.You can theoretically download any kind of archive , unpack it and run it from anywhere where your permissions allow.Whether you can compile and install it however is another matter entirely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got to say, this is a huge feature that most package managers are missing.
If I can download an archive, unpack it, and run it from ~, I should be able to install a package under ~ as well.You fail to consider that some packages/daemons are tightly integrated with the system and inherently require root access to install, access or maintain.You can theoretically download any kind of archive, unpack it and run it from anywhere where your permissions allow.Whether you can compile and install it however is another matter entirely.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460328</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30463590</id>
	<title>Re:Slackware</title>
	<author>element-o.p.</author>
	<datestamp>1259660820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would say yes, it probably is.  I am running a very old version of Slack (9.something?) on a machine at home with a Celeron 700MHz with maybe 512M of RAM, and it works reasonably well.  There are probably a lot of security problems with that machine since the OS is so old, but it's off more than it's on anymore, so I'm not really worried about it.  Anyway, I run blackbox for a window manager, and it's fairly snappy, even on such old hardware.  I don't know how well a newer version of Slack would run (been running Gentoo lately), but I imagine you could trim it down to do what you need, especially if all you need is the CLI.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would say yes , it probably is .
I am running a very old version of Slack ( 9.something ?
) on a machine at home with a Celeron 700MHz with maybe 512M of RAM , and it works reasonably well .
There are probably a lot of security problems with that machine since the OS is so old , but it 's off more than it 's on anymore , so I 'm not really worried about it .
Anyway , I run blackbox for a window manager , and it 's fairly snappy , even on such old hardware .
I do n't know how well a newer version of Slack would run ( been running Gentoo lately ) , but I imagine you could trim it down to do what you need , especially if all you need is the CLI .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would say yes, it probably is.
I am running a very old version of Slack (9.something?
) on a machine at home with a Celeron 700MHz with maybe 512M of RAM, and it works reasonably well.
There are probably a lot of security problems with that machine since the OS is so old, but it's off more than it's on anymore, so I'm not really worried about it.
Anyway, I run blackbox for a window manager, and it's fairly snappy, even on such old hardware.
I don't know how well a newer version of Slack would run (been running Gentoo lately), but I imagine you could trim it down to do what you need, especially if all you need is the CLI.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460652</id>
	<title>Linux sucks.  Closed source FTW.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259694120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Use Windows 7 or OS X.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Use Windows 7 or OS X .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Use Windows 7 or OS X.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30459942</id>
	<title>Re:It doesn't matter at all</title>
	<author>Z1NG</author>
	<datestamp>1259691540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would add to that list:
<br>
<br>
Does the distro work with your wireless card without any complicated installation procedures.
<br>
<br>
At least that was a pain for me (as I am an uber n006).  After a lot of googleing the solution was relatively pain free in ubuntu.  I agree with your points though, the best distribution is the one that works for you and Ubuntu seems to do a pretty good job all around (for a general user).  I've been meaning to try out Lubuntu and just haven't gotten around to it.  Anyone have positive experience with it on an older, low-mem system?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would add to that list : Does the distro work with your wireless card without any complicated installation procedures .
At least that was a pain for me ( as I am an uber n006 ) .
After a lot of googleing the solution was relatively pain free in ubuntu .
I agree with your points though , the best distribution is the one that works for you and Ubuntu seems to do a pretty good job all around ( for a general user ) .
I 've been meaning to try out Lubuntu and just have n't gotten around to it .
Anyone have positive experience with it on an older , low-mem system ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would add to that list:


Does the distro work with your wireless card without any complicated installation procedures.
At least that was a pain for me (as I am an uber n006).
After a lot of googleing the solution was relatively pain free in ubuntu.
I agree with your points though, the best distribution is the one that works for you and Ubuntu seems to do a pretty good job all around (for a general user).
I've been meaning to try out Lubuntu and just haven't gotten around to it.
Anyone have positive experience with it on an older, low-mem system?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30459714</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30470000</id>
	<title>Re:Gentoo</title>
	<author>rrohbeck</author>
	<datestamp>1259696580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That depends entirely on how big your iron is.<br>Dual quad core i7 with SSDs FTW. make -j20, but only at work. No, I'm not getting one of those at home, I even threw out the dual P4 Xeon system because I had to run the AC around the clock or my office got too hot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That depends entirely on how big your iron is.Dual quad core i7 with SSDs FTW .
make -j20 , but only at work .
No , I 'm not getting one of those at home , I even threw out the dual P4 Xeon system because I had to run the AC around the clock or my office got too hot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That depends entirely on how big your iron is.Dual quad core i7 with SSDs FTW.
make -j20, but only at work.
No, I'm not getting one of those at home, I even threw out the dual P4 Xeon system because I had to run the AC around the clock or my office got too hot.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30461196</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30462976</id>
	<title>Re:It doesn't matter at all</title>
	<author>element-o.p.</author>
	<datestamp>1259658780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To each their own, but I always liked Gentoo's emerge.  I'm still new to Debian based distros (Debian Sid courtesy of a Knoppix HD install -- long story -- and Ubuntu on two work laptops), so maybe I just haven't learned the technique.  What bugs me about apt-get or dpkg is that I haven't found a way to search for a package, if I don't know what it's called in the repository except by going to Google.  On Gentoo, for example, I run emerge --search CGI and I get a listing of all the packages that contain &quot;CGI&quot; in the package name (mod\_cgi, fastcgi, etc.)  I haven't figured out a similar feature for apt-get or dpkg, despite reading the man pages.  As for RPM...I haven't spent much time with RH-based distros, so I don't feel qualified to answer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>To each their own , but I always liked Gentoo 's emerge .
I 'm still new to Debian based distros ( Debian Sid courtesy of a Knoppix HD install -- long story -- and Ubuntu on two work laptops ) , so maybe I just have n't learned the technique .
What bugs me about apt-get or dpkg is that I have n't found a way to search for a package , if I do n't know what it 's called in the repository except by going to Google .
On Gentoo , for example , I run emerge --search CGI and I get a listing of all the packages that contain " CGI " in the package name ( mod \ _cgi , fastcgi , etc .
) I have n't figured out a similar feature for apt-get or dpkg , despite reading the man pages .
As for RPM...I have n't spent much time with RH-based distros , so I do n't feel qualified to answer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To each their own, but I always liked Gentoo's emerge.
I'm still new to Debian based distros (Debian Sid courtesy of a Knoppix HD install -- long story -- and Ubuntu on two work laptops), so maybe I just haven't learned the technique.
What bugs me about apt-get or dpkg is that I haven't found a way to search for a package, if I don't know what it's called in the repository except by going to Google.
On Gentoo, for example, I run emerge --search CGI and I get a listing of all the packages that contain "CGI" in the package name (mod\_cgi, fastcgi, etc.
)  I haven't figured out a similar feature for apt-get or dpkg, despite reading the man pages.
As for RPM...I haven't spent much time with RH-based distros, so I don't feel qualified to answer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460650</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460610</id>
	<title>Sign of the Times</title>
	<author>psbrogna</author>
	<datestamp>1259693940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think the most significant thing about the article is that it was written; assuming it was written because there's whole new categories of users (both tech &amp; non-tech) abandoning the USS MS who'd read such a distro-overview. I call that a good thing. I don't think this is too big an assumption either- judging by the average level of knowledge of new users showing up in Linux forums the last 6 months (ie. uninformed but eager). As much as it grates on me to see the most fundamental questions being asked (and in ways that make it obvious that not only has the poster not read any manuals but lacks a basic understanding of OS &amp; networking theory), I am encouraged to see this shift and try to put out the welcome mat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the most significant thing about the article is that it was written ; assuming it was written because there 's whole new categories of users ( both tech &amp; non-tech ) abandoning the USS MS who 'd read such a distro-overview .
I call that a good thing .
I do n't think this is too big an assumption either- judging by the average level of knowledge of new users showing up in Linux forums the last 6 months ( ie .
uninformed but eager ) .
As much as it grates on me to see the most fundamental questions being asked ( and in ways that make it obvious that not only has the poster not read any manuals but lacks a basic understanding of OS &amp; networking theory ) , I am encouraged to see this shift and try to put out the welcome mat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the most significant thing about the article is that it was written; assuming it was written because there's whole new categories of users (both tech &amp; non-tech) abandoning the USS MS who'd read such a distro-overview.
I call that a good thing.
I don't think this is too big an assumption either- judging by the average level of knowledge of new users showing up in Linux forums the last 6 months (ie.
uninformed but eager).
As much as it grates on me to see the most fundamental questions being asked (and in ways that make it obvious that not only has the poster not read any manuals but lacks a basic understanding of OS &amp; networking theory), I am encouraged to see this shift and try to put out the welcome mat.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30463942</id>
	<title>What's that?</title>
	<author>Jim Hall</author>
	<datestamp>1259662320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For example, in earlier versions, ordinary (non-admin) users could install software on Fedora without access to the root password. As of this version, however, local users will need to enter the root password before they can install software (as they do on almost all other Linux distributions).</p></div><p>What the f*ck is this guy talking about? Non-root users in Fedora could install software without the root password? What's that?</p><p>I call B.S., the person who wrote that is smoking dope. I've used Fedora since FC1, and Red Hat Linux since RH303. Red Hat / Fedora <em>never</em> worked like this. General users could install software, <b>only by providing the root password.</b> </p><p>Let's not forget the huge outcry we saw when <a href="http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/11/18/2039229" title="slashdot.org">Fedora 12 [desktop edition only] let users install signed packages without root.</a> [slashdot.org] Thankfully, that policy was reversed <a href="http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/11/20/1241231/Fedora-12-Package-Installation-Policy-Tightened" title="slashdot.org">very quickly.</a> [slashdot.org] </p></div>
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<tokenext>For example , in earlier versions , ordinary ( non-admin ) users could install software on Fedora without access to the root password .
As of this version , however , local users will need to enter the root password before they can install software ( as they do on almost all other Linux distributions ) .What the f * ck is this guy talking about ?
Non-root users in Fedora could install software without the root password ?
What 's that ? I call B.S. , the person who wrote that is smoking dope .
I 've used Fedora since FC1 , and Red Hat Linux since RH303 .
Red Hat / Fedora never worked like this .
General users could install software , only by providing the root password .
Let 's not forget the huge outcry we saw when Fedora 12 [ desktop edition only ] let users install signed packages without root .
[ slashdot.org ] Thankfully , that policy was reversed very quickly .
[ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For example, in earlier versions, ordinary (non-admin) users could install software on Fedora without access to the root password.
As of this version, however, local users will need to enter the root password before they can install software (as they do on almost all other Linux distributions).What the f*ck is this guy talking about?
Non-root users in Fedora could install software without the root password?
What's that?I call B.S., the person who wrote that is smoking dope.
I've used Fedora since FC1, and Red Hat Linux since RH303.
Red Hat / Fedora never worked like this.
General users could install software, only by providing the root password.
Let's not forget the huge outcry we saw when Fedora 12 [desktop edition only] let users install signed packages without root.
[slashdot.org] Thankfully, that policy was reversed very quickly.
[slashdot.org] 
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30461534</id>
	<title>Re:Slackware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259697480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You Slacker you! Okay I'm one too, it was and still is my distro of choice for production servers. Currently my mail, file and web servers are all Slackware systems. I do try other distros on my "Test" server, if nothing else then to keep up to date on what they may offer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You Slacker you !
Okay I 'm one too , it was and still is my distro of choice for production servers .
Currently my mail , file and web servers are all Slackware systems .
I do try other distros on my " Test " server , if nothing else then to keep up to date on what they may offer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You Slacker you!
Okay I'm one too, it was and still is my distro of choice for production servers.
Currently my mail, file and web servers are all Slackware systems.
I do try other distros on my "Test" server, if nothing else then to keep up to date on what they may offer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460966</id>
	<title>Re:Slackware</title>
	<author>4pins</author>
	<datestamp>1259695260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am sure that you can do things with Slackware that I cannot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am sure that you can do things with Slackware that I can not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am sure that you can do things with Slackware that I cannot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30461130</id>
	<title>I may try Arch</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259695860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know when I was using Gentoo I would sweat when I wanted to update my system or even a single package in fear it was just hose something.  Gentoo is an awesome OS but needs work, or did.  I havent used it in about 2 years.  That was about my only complaint and I know others shared it as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know when I was using Gentoo I would sweat when I wanted to update my system or even a single package in fear it was just hose something .
Gentoo is an awesome OS but needs work , or did .
I havent used it in about 2 years .
That was about my only complaint and I know others shared it as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know when I was using Gentoo I would sweat when I wanted to update my system or even a single package in fear it was just hose something.
Gentoo is an awesome OS but needs work, or did.
I havent used it in about 2 years.
That was about my only complaint and I know others shared it as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30459960</id>
	<title>Meh</title>
	<author>rapu</author>
	<datestamp>1259691600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think that by far the most substantial difference between Ubuntu and the other distros is the semi-automatic installation of proprietary multimedia libs and hardware drivers. I used to run Fedora from FC2 to FC6 as well as Suse 9.x, and had to deal with ATI's installer and custom repos a lot. These are the primary reasons why I use Ubuntu nowadays, as all other differences these popular distros seem quite trivial.
It doesn't seem very important which DE each distro ships with, as you can always install whichever you like afterwards. Same thing with default apps like IM clients, though it may take a bit of reconfiguring to integrate them with others apps. Basically, the review just seemed to compare the distros out-of-the-box, without assuming they'll ever be configured, which is kind of boring, and perhaps only of interest to inexperienced users.
Speaking of which, how were they able to "manage each of them from other PCs with the OpenSSH remote control program"? I thought Ubuntu has never included sshd by default.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that by far the most substantial difference between Ubuntu and the other distros is the semi-automatic installation of proprietary multimedia libs and hardware drivers .
I used to run Fedora from FC2 to FC6 as well as Suse 9.x , and had to deal with ATI 's installer and custom repos a lot .
These are the primary reasons why I use Ubuntu nowadays , as all other differences these popular distros seem quite trivial .
It does n't seem very important which DE each distro ships with , as you can always install whichever you like afterwards .
Same thing with default apps like IM clients , though it may take a bit of reconfiguring to integrate them with others apps .
Basically , the review just seemed to compare the distros out-of-the-box , without assuming they 'll ever be configured , which is kind of boring , and perhaps only of interest to inexperienced users .
Speaking of which , how were they able to " manage each of them from other PCs with the OpenSSH remote control program " ?
I thought Ubuntu has never included sshd by default .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that by far the most substantial difference between Ubuntu and the other distros is the semi-automatic installation of proprietary multimedia libs and hardware drivers.
I used to run Fedora from FC2 to FC6 as well as Suse 9.x, and had to deal with ATI's installer and custom repos a lot.
These are the primary reasons why I use Ubuntu nowadays, as all other differences these popular distros seem quite trivial.
It doesn't seem very important which DE each distro ships with, as you can always install whichever you like afterwards.
Same thing with default apps like IM clients, though it may take a bit of reconfiguring to integrate them with others apps.
Basically, the review just seemed to compare the distros out-of-the-box, without assuming they'll ever be configured, which is kind of boring, and perhaps only of interest to inexperienced users.
Speaking of which, how were they able to "manage each of them from other PCs with the OpenSSH remote control program"?
I thought Ubuntu has never included sshd by default.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460264</id>
	<title>What has happened to Slashdot?</title>
	<author>bibekpaudel</author>
	<datestamp>1259692680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>C'mon how is this some "stuffs for nerds, news that matter?"

I think next post on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>./ will read, "Fedora, openSUSE and Ubuntu Linux desktops may look alike, but they've got some important distinctions, like the fact that Fedora is a Redhat derivative and Ubuntu is a Debian derivative, while openSUSE is a Suse derivative from Novell. Not only that, Fedora and Ubuntu use GNOME, which is a desktop environment. Opensuse uses KDE, which is yet another Desktop environment, short for K Desktop Environment. On the other hand, though Debian also uses GNOME, the version it ships is rather older than that in Ubuntu or Fedora. The designers of Debian have assumed that its users are less caring of latest softwares, and might even be older than general run of users."</htmltext>
<tokenext>C'mon how is this some " stuffs for nerds , news that matter ?
" I think next post on ./ will read , " Fedora , openSUSE and Ubuntu Linux desktops may look alike , but they 've got some important distinctions , like the fact that Fedora is a Redhat derivative and Ubuntu is a Debian derivative , while openSUSE is a Suse derivative from Novell .
Not only that , Fedora and Ubuntu use GNOME , which is a desktop environment .
Opensuse uses KDE , which is yet another Desktop environment , short for K Desktop Environment .
On the other hand , though Debian also uses GNOME , the version it ships is rather older than that in Ubuntu or Fedora .
The designers of Debian have assumed that its users are less caring of latest softwares , and might even be older than general run of users .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>C'mon how is this some "stuffs for nerds, news that matter?
"

I think next post on ./ will read, "Fedora, openSUSE and Ubuntu Linux desktops may look alike, but they've got some important distinctions, like the fact that Fedora is a Redhat derivative and Ubuntu is a Debian derivative, while openSUSE is a Suse derivative from Novell.
Not only that, Fedora and Ubuntu use GNOME, which is a desktop environment.
Opensuse uses KDE, which is yet another Desktop environment, short for K Desktop Environment.
On the other hand, though Debian also uses GNOME, the version it ships is rather older than that in Ubuntu or Fedora.
The designers of Debian have assumed that its users are less caring of latest softwares, and might even be older than general run of users.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460300</id>
	<title>Good article</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259692860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>great points</htmltext>
<tokenext>great points</tokentext>
<sentencetext>great points</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460660</id>
	<title>Re:Slackware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259694180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Arch is the new Slack</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Arch is the new Slack</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Arch is the new Slack</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460204</id>
	<title>What nonsense!</title>
	<author>FranTaylor</author>
	<datestamp>1259692500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Huh?</p><p>All of the things you are talking about are "solved problems" in just about every modern Linux distribution.</p><p>Your rant sounds like it was written circa 2002.</p><p>Perhaps you are talking about Fedora? Fedora is the "home distribution" for many of the projects that you mention.</p><p>Maybe you forget that Ubuntu cribbed almost all of that stuff from RedHat/Fedora?</p><p>Video resolution? Huh?  Really who runs their monitor at less than the max?  I'm running at 1920x1200 and there is NO reason to use anything else.</p><p>"without special package installation requirements"  What does this mean?  Does that mean that the distribution is bloated out with extra stuff that only a few users need?  Why is this an advantage?</p><p>"It's all the same under the hood" - that is just not correct.  There are some pretty MAJOR differences between the distributions regarding kernel versions, supported kernel features, versions of libraries, etc.  These can be real show-stoppers when it comes time to install third-party applications.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Huh ? All of the things you are talking about are " solved problems " in just about every modern Linux distribution.Your rant sounds like it was written circa 2002.Perhaps you are talking about Fedora ?
Fedora is the " home distribution " for many of the projects that you mention.Maybe you forget that Ubuntu cribbed almost all of that stuff from RedHat/Fedora ? Video resolution ?
Huh ? Really who runs their monitor at less than the max ?
I 'm running at 1920x1200 and there is NO reason to use anything else .
" without special package installation requirements " What does this mean ?
Does that mean that the distribution is bloated out with extra stuff that only a few users need ?
Why is this an advantage ?
" It 's all the same under the hood " - that is just not correct .
There are some pretty MAJOR differences between the distributions regarding kernel versions , supported kernel features , versions of libraries , etc .
These can be real show-stoppers when it comes time to install third-party applications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Huh?All of the things you are talking about are "solved problems" in just about every modern Linux distribution.Your rant sounds like it was written circa 2002.Perhaps you are talking about Fedora?
Fedora is the "home distribution" for many of the projects that you mention.Maybe you forget that Ubuntu cribbed almost all of that stuff from RedHat/Fedora?Video resolution?
Huh?  Really who runs their monitor at less than the max?
I'm running at 1920x1200 and there is NO reason to use anything else.
"without special package installation requirements"  What does this mean?
Does that mean that the distribution is bloated out with extra stuff that only a few users need?
Why is this an advantage?
"It's all the same under the hood" - that is just not correct.
There are some pretty MAJOR differences between the distributions regarding kernel versions, supported kernel features, versions of libraries, etc.
These can be real show-stoppers when it comes time to install third-party applications.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30461454</id>
	<title>Fedora has always required the root password</title>
	<author>fluxdvd</author>
	<datestamp>1259697060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To my knowledge (I've been using Fedora since its inception), Fedora has always required root credentials, or the user be in the sudoers list to install software packages.  Only in Fedora 12 was that not the default behavior, and there was a BIG uproar over that change (see the VERY lengthy discussion on this issue on the RedHat Bugzilla report - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show\_bug.cgi?id=534047), which has since change the default behavior BACK to requiring root credentials to install software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To my knowledge ( I 've been using Fedora since its inception ) , Fedora has always required root credentials , or the user be in the sudoers list to install software packages .
Only in Fedora 12 was that not the default behavior , and there was a BIG uproar over that change ( see the VERY lengthy discussion on this issue on the RedHat Bugzilla report - https : //bugzilla.redhat.com/show \ _bug.cgi ? id = 534047 ) , which has since change the default behavior BACK to requiring root credentials to install software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To my knowledge (I've been using Fedora since its inception), Fedora has always required root credentials, or the user be in the sudoers list to install software packages.
Only in Fedora 12 was that not the default behavior, and there was a BIG uproar over that change (see the VERY lengthy discussion on this issue on the RedHat Bugzilla report - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show\_bug.cgi?id=534047), which has since change the default behavior BACK to requiring root credentials to install software.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30460650</id>
	<title>Re:It doesn't matter at all</title>
	<author>jedidiah</author>
	<datestamp>1259694120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ubuntu also brought something else to the table: The Debian package manager.</p><p>RPM was clearly inferior. Debian despite of it's other tradeoffs always had<br>a packager that was just the bees knees. I even defected from Mandrake to<br>Debian myself over this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ubuntu also brought something else to the table : The Debian package manager.RPM was clearly inferior .
Debian despite of it 's other tradeoffs always hada packager that was just the bees knees .
I even defected from Mandrake toDebian myself over this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ubuntu also brought something else to the table: The Debian package manager.RPM was clearly inferior.
Debian despite of it's other tradeoffs always hada packager that was just the bees knees.
I even defected from Mandrake toDebian myself over this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30461178</id>
	<title>popcorn</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259696100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's been a while since we've had a good old-fashioned distrowar!</p><p>*grabs*popcorn*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's been a while since we 've had a good old-fashioned distrowar !
* grabs * popcorn *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's been a while since we've had a good old-fashioned distrowar!
*grabs*popcorn*</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30463988</id>
	<title>Linux, for the use.</title>
	<author>colinrichardday</author>
	<datestamp>1259662440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I doubt either Windows 7 or OSX could run on my computer (768 M of RAM). Ubuntu 9.10, no problem. Just toss in the Live version and get on the Net</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I doubt either Windows 7 or OSX could run on my computer ( 768 M of RAM ) .
Ubuntu 9.10 , no problem .
Just toss in the Live version and get on the Net</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I doubt either Windows 7 or OSX could run on my computer (768 M of RAM).
Ubuntu 9.10, no problem.
Just toss in the Live version and get on the Net</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_1624200.30463874</id>
	<title>Re:I may try Arch</title>
	<author>heson</author>
	<datestamp>1259662080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is neat. It is very light weight and does not start any services you do not configure to start. But it is not very polished in the QA departement. My install and then upgrade to latest everything required fixing from rescuecd three times. But when fixing is needed it is easy to do. To rollback a broken packet just untar a working version and thats it, etc. It does need a little bit more maintenance than just running "yum -y upgrade" or "apt-get upgrade" once in a while but you get alot for that price if you are willing to pay it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is neat .
It is very light weight and does not start any services you do not configure to start .
But it is not very polished in the QA departement .
My install and then upgrade to latest everything required fixing from rescuecd three times .
But when fixing is needed it is easy to do .
To rollback a broken packet just untar a working version and thats it , etc .
It does need a little bit more maintenance than just running " yum -y upgrade " or " apt-get upgrade " once in a while but you get alot for that price if you are willing to pay it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is neat.
It is very light weight and does not start any services you do not configure to start.
But it is not very polished in the QA departement.
My install and then upgrade to latest everything required fixing from rescuecd three times.
But when fixing is needed it is easy to do.
To rollback a broken packet just untar a working version and thats it, etc.
It does need a little bit more maintenance than just running "yum -y upgrade" or "apt-get upgrade" once in a while but you get alot for that price if you are willing to pay it.</sentencetext>
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