<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_16_0940232</id>
	<title>ASCAP Seeks Licensing Fees For <em>Guitar Hero Arcade</em></title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1260964500000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Self Bias Resistor writes <i>"According to <a href="http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=114426">a post on the Arcade-Museum forums</a>, ASCAP is <a href="http://gamepolitics.com/2009/12/15/ascap-seeks-licensing-fee-guitar-hero-arcade-operator">demanding an annual $800 licensing fee</a> from at least one operator of a <em>Guitar Hero Arcade</em> machine, citing ASCAP licensing regulations regarding jukeboxes. An ASCAP representative allegedly told the operator that she viewed the <em>Guitar Hero</em> machine as a jukebox of sorts. The operator told ASCAP to contact Raw Thrills, the company that sells the arcade units. The case is ongoing and GamePolitics is currently seeking clarification of the story from ASCAP."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Self Bias Resistor writes " According to a post on the Arcade-Museum forums , ASCAP is demanding an annual $ 800 licensing fee from at least one operator of a Guitar Hero Arcade machine , citing ASCAP licensing regulations regarding jukeboxes .
An ASCAP representative allegedly told the operator that she viewed the Guitar Hero machine as a jukebox of sorts .
The operator told ASCAP to contact Raw Thrills , the company that sells the arcade units .
The case is ongoing and GamePolitics is currently seeking clarification of the story from ASCAP .
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<sentencetext>Self Bias Resistor writes "According to a post on the Arcade-Museum forums, ASCAP is demanding an annual $800 licensing fee from at least one operator of a Guitar Hero Arcade machine, citing ASCAP licensing regulations regarding jukeboxes.
An ASCAP representative allegedly told the operator that she viewed the Guitar Hero machine as a jukebox of sorts.
The operator told ASCAP to contact Raw Thrills, the company that sells the arcade units.
The case is ongoing and GamePolitics is currently seeking clarification of the story from ASCAP.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30458720</id>
	<title>Re:Join the Free Music Push</title>
	<author>Croakus</author>
	<datestamp>1259687220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your blog is really interesting.  I hadn't heard of the "Free Music Push," and I'm looking forward to visiting the sites you linked.  I only have one question about it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... how do the musician's pay their bills if they give away their recordings and don't get paid for performances?  If there's a business model that works here I'd really like to learn about it, but as is I don't see how anyone can afford to do this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your blog is really interesting .
I had n't heard of the " Free Music Push , " and I 'm looking forward to visiting the sites you linked .
I only have one question about it ... how do the musician 's pay their bills if they give away their recordings and do n't get paid for performances ?
If there 's a business model that works here I 'd really like to learn about it , but as is I do n't see how anyone can afford to do this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your blog is really interesting.
I hadn't heard of the "Free Music Push," and I'm looking forward to visiting the sites you linked.
I only have one question about it ... how do the musician's pay their bills if they give away their recordings and don't get paid for performances?
If there's a business model that works here I'd really like to learn about it, but as is I don't see how anyone can afford to do this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30460450</id>
	<title>Re:LONG Copyrights are a big part of the problem</title>
	<author>Tetsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1259693400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>ASCAP - Yes, this is the moffia</p></div><p>"moffia"?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>ASCAP - Yes , this is the moffia " moffia " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ASCAP - Yes, this is the moffia"moffia"?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30460324</id>
	<title>You misspelled</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1259692980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>ASCAP - Yes, this is the moffia</p></div><p>You misspelled <a href="http://www.mafiaa.org/" title="mafiaa.org">MAFIAA</a> [mafiaa.org]. ASCAP, along with other BMI, SESAC, and foreign performance rights organizations, together with record label trade groups like RIAA, make up the M in MAFIAA.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>ASCAP - Yes , this is the moffiaYou misspelled MAFIAA [ mafiaa.org ] .
ASCAP , along with other BMI , SESAC , and foreign performance rights organizations , together with record label trade groups like RIAA , make up the M in MAFIAA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ASCAP - Yes, this is the moffiaYou misspelled MAFIAA [mafiaa.org].
ASCAP, along with other BMI, SESAC, and foreign performance rights organizations, together with record label trade groups like RIAA, make up the M in MAFIAA.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30457512</id>
	<title>Re:When Artists Stop Signing Away Distrib Rights</title>
	<author>RobVB</author>
	<datestamp>1259682720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Do you think Tyler could even make it downstairs before lunchtime</p></div><p>Rock 'n' Roll doesn't do mornings.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you think Tyler could even make it downstairs before lunchtimeRock 'n ' Roll does n't do mornings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you think Tyler could even make it downstairs before lunchtimeRock 'n' Roll doesn't do mornings.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30457802</id>
	<title>It's a game not a jukebox ASCAP.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259683800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a video game not a jukebox.  I hope the courts understand this.  ASCAP should get nothing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a video game not a jukebox .
I hope the courts understand this .
ASCAP should get nothing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a video game not a jukebox.
I hope the courts understand this.
ASCAP should get nothing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456046</id>
	<title>Showing muscles to the little guy?</title>
	<author>Servaas</author>
	<datestamp>1259672580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or else they would have gone straight to the distributor or publisher.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or else they would have gone straight to the distributor or publisher .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or else they would have gone straight to the distributor or publisher.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456734</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the music "industry" soon?</title>
	<author>PopeRatzo</author>
	<datestamp>1259678220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only that, but I'm really surprised that the makers of "Guitar Hero Arcade" didn't get licenses for their music for public mechanical performance.</p><p>Did they expect that their machines would blast the hits into arcades and bars without having to pay the artists?</p><p>I'm not sure this dust-up rates up there with the RIAA sending SWAT teams to take down grandmothers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only that , but I 'm really surprised that the makers of " Guitar Hero Arcade " did n't get licenses for their music for public mechanical performance.Did they expect that their machines would blast the hits into arcades and bars without having to pay the artists ? I 'm not sure this dust-up rates up there with the RIAA sending SWAT teams to take down grandmothers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only that, but I'm really surprised that the makers of "Guitar Hero Arcade" didn't get licenses for their music for public mechanical performance.Did they expect that their machines would blast the hits into arcades and bars without having to pay the artists?I'm not sure this dust-up rates up there with the RIAA sending SWAT teams to take down grandmothers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30469944</id>
	<title>Re:When Artists Stop Signing Away Distrib Rights</title>
	<author>RobertM1968</author>
	<datestamp>1259696100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Great sentiment, but not universally applicable. Iron Maiden retains control/ownership of their IP, and refuses to let the record companies prosecute for sharing, and publicly encourages sharing of their music - yet does phenomenally well without that added "support" from the record companies - the same ones who will not buy them air time or promote them.

</p><p>Now Maiden may being doing so well without all of that because they maintain control of their music (including the finished product, copyrighted by their production company) and thus get a bigger cut of the pie than say Aerosmith or most other bands that dont own the finished performance on the CD. But that's just speculation on my part.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great sentiment , but not universally applicable .
Iron Maiden retains control/ownership of their IP , and refuses to let the record companies prosecute for sharing , and publicly encourages sharing of their music - yet does phenomenally well without that added " support " from the record companies - the same ones who will not buy them air time or promote them .
Now Maiden may being doing so well without all of that because they maintain control of their music ( including the finished product , copyrighted by their production company ) and thus get a bigger cut of the pie than say Aerosmith or most other bands that dont own the finished performance on the CD .
But that 's just speculation on my part .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great sentiment, but not universally applicable.
Iron Maiden retains control/ownership of their IP, and refuses to let the record companies prosecute for sharing, and publicly encourages sharing of their music - yet does phenomenally well without that added "support" from the record companies - the same ones who will not buy them air time or promote them.
Now Maiden may being doing so well without all of that because they maintain control of their music (including the finished product, copyrighted by their production company) and thus get a bigger cut of the pie than say Aerosmith or most other bands that dont own the finished performance on the CD.
But that's just speculation on my part.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456432</id>
	<title>Re:ASCAP is not the "music industry"</title>
	<author>thisnamestoolong</author>
	<datestamp>1259676120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>They aren't the RIAA, but ASCAP plays by more or less the same rulebook as the RIAA and is every bit as odious. It just so happens that they have less reason to go after individuals and chase after businesses instead.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are n't the RIAA , but ASCAP plays by more or less the same rulebook as the RIAA and is every bit as odious .
It just so happens that they have less reason to go after individuals and chase after businesses instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They aren't the RIAA, but ASCAP plays by more or less the same rulebook as the RIAA and is every bit as odious.
It just so happens that they have less reason to go after individuals and chase after businesses instead.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30458136</id>
	<title>Re:When Artists Stop Signing Away Distrib Rights</title>
	<author>Croakus</author>
	<datestamp>1259685060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>ASCAP has nothing to do with artists.  ASCAP, BMI and SESAC collect and distribute federally mandated performance royalties for songwriters the United States (who don't make diddly squat off the agreement that Aerosmith signed with the game company).  In this case, they're just doing their job.  On the other side, the bar owners are using popular music to draw customers into their businesses and thus increase profits.  If you really don't believe the bar owners should be required to pay part of that profit to the actual songwriters in the form of performance royalties then you need to talk to your Senate and Congressional representatives.</htmltext>
<tokenext>ASCAP has nothing to do with artists .
ASCAP , BMI and SESAC collect and distribute federally mandated performance royalties for songwriters the United States ( who do n't make diddly squat off the agreement that Aerosmith signed with the game company ) .
In this case , they 're just doing their job .
On the other side , the bar owners are using popular music to draw customers into their businesses and thus increase profits .
If you really do n't believe the bar owners should be required to pay part of that profit to the actual songwriters in the form of performance royalties then you need to talk to your Senate and Congressional representatives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ASCAP has nothing to do with artists.
ASCAP, BMI and SESAC collect and distribute federally mandated performance royalties for songwriters the United States (who don't make diddly squat off the agreement that Aerosmith signed with the game company).
In this case, they're just doing their job.
On the other side, the bar owners are using popular music to draw customers into their businesses and thus increase profits.
If you really don't believe the bar owners should be required to pay part of that profit to the actual songwriters in the form of performance royalties then you need to talk to your Senate and Congressional representatives.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30459314</id>
	<title>ascap brain misconnection</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259689500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>does anyone else see "asshat" when they read "ascap"?  every time it gets me...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>does anyone else see " asshat " when they read " ascap " ?
every time it gets me.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>does anyone else see "asshat" when they read "ascap"?
every time it gets me...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30457284</id>
	<title>Re:When Artists Stop Signing Away Distrib Rights</title>
	<author>jedidiah</author>
	<datestamp>1259681460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; That's great. Do you think they could have gotten that deal if they weren't represented by their company?</p><p>Sure. The value of Aerosmith is it's work. It doesn't need a speciality corporate bully in order to defend it's rights or strike deals. Aerosmith can do this directly through it's own 1st party agents and managers. OTOH, this "gatekeeper" probably doesn't do much for the little guy that doesn't yet have his own clout that he can use to bargain with the likes of Activision directly.</p><p>Pretty much everyone takes advantage of the talent before they become something valuable. The RIAA and ASCAP are at the front of the long line of vultures.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; That 's great .
Do you think they could have gotten that deal if they were n't represented by their company ? Sure .
The value of Aerosmith is it 's work .
It does n't need a speciality corporate bully in order to defend it 's rights or strike deals .
Aerosmith can do this directly through it 's own 1st party agents and managers .
OTOH , this " gatekeeper " probably does n't do much for the little guy that does n't yet have his own clout that he can use to bargain with the likes of Activision directly.Pretty much everyone takes advantage of the talent before they become something valuable .
The RIAA and ASCAP are at the front of the long line of vultures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; That's great.
Do you think they could have gotten that deal if they weren't represented by their company?Sure.
The value of Aerosmith is it's work.
It doesn't need a speciality corporate bully in order to defend it's rights or strike deals.
Aerosmith can do this directly through it's own 1st party agents and managers.
OTOH, this "gatekeeper" probably doesn't do much for the little guy that doesn't yet have his own clout that he can use to bargain with the likes of Activision directly.Pretty much everyone takes advantage of the talent before they become something valuable.
The RIAA and ASCAP are at the front of the long line of vultures.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456362</id>
	<title>When Artists Stop Signing Away Distrib Rights</title>
	<author>RobotRunAmok</author>
	<datestamp>1259675460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The companies represent the artists because the artists sign a contract affording the company the right to distribute (and the responsibility/incentive to police unauthorized distribution).  Aerosmith can manage their online distribution themselves ("Hey, Tyler... it's Wednesday: Your day to modify the XML!") or they can strike a deal with a company to handle that kind of stuff for them.</p><p><i>-Aerosmith has reportedly earned more from Guitar Hero : Aerosmith than from any single album in the band's history</i></p><p>That's great.  Do you think they could have gotten that deal if they weren't represented by their company?  Do you think Tyler could even make it downstairs before lunchtime if a third party did not have a vested interest in their success and distribution?</p><p>Don't get me wrong:  I'm all for artists -- musicians, writers, composers, comedians -- managing as much of their own distribution as they can.  The smaller, less established you are, the more it matters; the bigger, better established you are, the more difficult it becomes.  But it is the choice of the artist.   I buy produce directly from the growers at Farmers' Markets whenever I can, but I do not begrudge the grocery stores their role in the supply chain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The companies represent the artists because the artists sign a contract affording the company the right to distribute ( and the responsibility/incentive to police unauthorized distribution ) .
Aerosmith can manage their online distribution themselves ( " Hey , Tyler... it 's Wednesday : Your day to modify the XML !
" ) or they can strike a deal with a company to handle that kind of stuff for them.-Aerosmith has reportedly earned more from Guitar Hero : Aerosmith than from any single album in the band 's historyThat 's great .
Do you think they could have gotten that deal if they were n't represented by their company ?
Do you think Tyler could even make it downstairs before lunchtime if a third party did not have a vested interest in their success and distribution ? Do n't get me wrong : I 'm all for artists -- musicians , writers , composers , comedians -- managing as much of their own distribution as they can .
The smaller , less established you are , the more it matters ; the bigger , better established you are , the more difficult it becomes .
But it is the choice of the artist .
I buy produce directly from the growers at Farmers ' Markets whenever I can , but I do not begrudge the grocery stores their role in the supply chain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The companies represent the artists because the artists sign a contract affording the company the right to distribute (and the responsibility/incentive to police unauthorized distribution).
Aerosmith can manage their online distribution themselves ("Hey, Tyler... it's Wednesday: Your day to modify the XML!
") or they can strike a deal with a company to handle that kind of stuff for them.-Aerosmith has reportedly earned more from Guitar Hero : Aerosmith than from any single album in the band's historyThat's great.
Do you think they could have gotten that deal if they weren't represented by their company?
Do you think Tyler could even make it downstairs before lunchtime if a third party did not have a vested interest in their success and distribution?Don't get me wrong:  I'm all for artists -- musicians, writers, composers, comedians -- managing as much of their own distribution as they can.
The smaller, less established you are, the more it matters; the bigger, better established you are, the more difficult it becomes.
But it is the choice of the artist.
I buy produce directly from the growers at Farmers' Markets whenever I can, but I do not begrudge the grocery stores their role in the supply chain.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456526</id>
	<title>LONG Copyrights are a big part of the problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259676900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ASCAP - Yes, this is the moffia who shows up to businesses and want payment for your radio or TV being on.</p><p>Tell them to take a hike, they have no legal standing to collect.</p><p>IMHO, the entire entertainment industry needs to brought down to earth. Start with reducing copyrights to 5 years for music, 10 years for movies. Then the music or movie goes into public domain, like it was originally intended to do when copyrights were started.</p><p>No one else gets paid forever (longer than your lifetime) for the work you did. Why should people who sing and act?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ASCAP - Yes , this is the moffia who shows up to businesses and want payment for your radio or TV being on.Tell them to take a hike , they have no legal standing to collect.IMHO , the entire entertainment industry needs to brought down to earth .
Start with reducing copyrights to 5 years for music , 10 years for movies .
Then the music or movie goes into public domain , like it was originally intended to do when copyrights were started.No one else gets paid forever ( longer than your lifetime ) for the work you did .
Why should people who sing and act ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ASCAP - Yes, this is the moffia who shows up to businesses and want payment for your radio or TV being on.Tell them to take a hike, they have no legal standing to collect.IMHO, the entire entertainment industry needs to brought down to earth.
Start with reducing copyrights to 5 years for music, 10 years for movies.
Then the music or movie goes into public domain, like it was originally intended to do when copyrights were started.No one else gets paid forever (longer than your lifetime) for the work you did.
Why should people who sing and act?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456070</id>
	<title>Can we get rid of the music "industry" soon?</title>
	<author>dikdik</author>
	<datestamp>1259672760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The music "industry" is not music. It's just middle men. They create drag, friction, between the musicians and the fans. They are an unneeded artifice, a relic of an earlier age, in my mind. For instance:
<p>
"Despite the fact that these games are very successful and are drawing a great deal of attention to the music represented in the games, the industry is not pleased with the licensing arrangements that allow the games to use their songs."
</p><p>
Does anyone here think "their songs" refers means "the artist's songs" or does it rather mean "Corp X's songs". Their original argument in the opening salvo of their war against the internet was "think of the artists!" Well, apparently they don't abide by their own logic (nor have they ever). From the very same article:
</p><p>
"Music games are proven earners--Aerosmith has reportedly earned more from Guitar Hero : Aerosmith than from any single album in the band's history."

Fuck the music industry. Please, just die already.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The music " industry " is not music .
It 's just middle men .
They create drag , friction , between the musicians and the fans .
They are an unneeded artifice , a relic of an earlier age , in my mind .
For instance : " Despite the fact that these games are very successful and are drawing a great deal of attention to the music represented in the games , the industry is not pleased with the licensing arrangements that allow the games to use their songs .
" Does anyone here think " their songs " refers means " the artist 's songs " or does it rather mean " Corp X 's songs " .
Their original argument in the opening salvo of their war against the internet was " think of the artists !
" Well , apparently they do n't abide by their own logic ( nor have they ever ) .
From the very same article : " Music games are proven earners--Aerosmith has reportedly earned more from Guitar Hero : Aerosmith than from any single album in the band 's history .
" Fuck the music industry .
Please , just die already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The music "industry" is not music.
It's just middle men.
They create drag, friction, between the musicians and the fans.
They are an unneeded artifice, a relic of an earlier age, in my mind.
For instance:

"Despite the fact that these games are very successful and are drawing a great deal of attention to the music represented in the games, the industry is not pleased with the licensing arrangements that allow the games to use their songs.
"

Does anyone here think "their songs" refers means "the artist's songs" or does it rather mean "Corp X's songs".
Their original argument in the opening salvo of their war against the internet was "think of the artists!
" Well, apparently they don't abide by their own logic (nor have they ever).
From the very same article:

"Music games are proven earners--Aerosmith has reportedly earned more from Guitar Hero : Aerosmith than from any single album in the band's history.
"

Fuck the music industry.
Please, just die already.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456174</id>
	<title>A jukebox?</title>
	<author>TimeElf1</author>
	<datestamp>1259673780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would think a GH video game stand would be more akin to a DDR arcade game than a jukebox.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would think a GH video game stand would be more akin to a DDR arcade game than a jukebox .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would think a GH video game stand would be more akin to a DDR arcade game than a jukebox.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456844</id>
	<title>Re:The music industry</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1259678880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Could be dangerous. Usually the foot is in their mouth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could be dangerous .
Usually the foot is in their mouth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could be dangerous.
Usually the foot is in their mouth.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456004</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456998</id>
	<title>Re:Showing muscles to the little guy?</title>
	<author>aplusjimages</author>
	<datestamp>1259679720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I say send it back to the publisher, which I think is Activision. Let them know that it wasn't part of the deal to pay the ASCAP rate and it should have been mentioned to them before they purchased the machine. Let Activision deal with that relationship.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I say send it back to the publisher , which I think is Activision .
Let them know that it was n't part of the deal to pay the ASCAP rate and it should have been mentioned to them before they purchased the machine .
Let Activision deal with that relationship .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I say send it back to the publisher, which I think is Activision.
Let them know that it wasn't part of the deal to pay the ASCAP rate and it should have been mentioned to them before they purchased the machine.
Let Activision deal with that relationship.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456046</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456314</id>
	<title>ASCAP is not the "music industry"</title>
	<author>Mononoke</author>
	<datestamp>1259674860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Stolen from Wikipedia:<blockquote><div><p>The American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP) is a not-for-profit performance rights organization that protects its members' musical copyrights by monitoring public performances of their music, whether via a broadcast or live performance, and compensating them accordingly.</p></div></blockquote><p>Your anti-RIAA rants don't apply here.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Stolen from Wikipedia : The American Society of Composers , Authors and Publishers ( ASCAP ) is a not-for-profit performance rights organization that protects its members ' musical copyrights by monitoring public performances of their music , whether via a broadcast or live performance , and compensating them accordingly.Your anti-RIAA rants do n't apply here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stolen from Wikipedia:The American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP) is a not-for-profit performance rights organization that protects its members' musical copyrights by monitoring public performances of their music, whether via a broadcast or live performance, and compensating them accordingly.Your anti-RIAA rants don't apply here.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456328</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the music "industry" soon?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259675040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>ASCAP is not the "music industry." ASCAP (and BMI, et al) are directly connected to the content creators themselves. You know, the people who actually deserve to be paid for their creativity.</htmltext>
<tokenext>ASCAP is not the " music industry .
" ASCAP ( and BMI , et al ) are directly connected to the content creators themselves .
You know , the people who actually deserve to be paid for their creativity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ASCAP is not the "music industry.
" ASCAP (and BMI, et al) are directly connected to the content creators themselves.
You know, the people who actually deserve to be paid for their creativity.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456070</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30459752</id>
	<title>Check the parent companies, for one</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1259691060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Your anti-RIAA rants don't apply here.</p></div><p>The music publishers in ASCAP and the record labels in RIAA tend to have the same parent companies, just like TV news and the MPAA share parent companies.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your anti-RIAA rants do n't apply here.The music publishers in ASCAP and the record labels in RIAA tend to have the same parent companies , just like TV news and the MPAA share parent companies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your anti-RIAA rants don't apply here.The music publishers in ASCAP and the record labels in RIAA tend to have the same parent companies, just like TV news and the MPAA share parent companies.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456314</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456462</id>
	<title>Join the Free Music Push</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259676480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, If you want to see more Free Music made, listen to Free Music more.</p><p>Join the <a href="http://freemusicpush.blogspot.com/" title="blogspot.com">Free Music Push</a> [blogspot.com]</p><p>Change has to start somewhere. Three is some good stuff out there with Free licenses on it. Give it some attention and some love.</p><p>drew</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , If you want to see more Free Music made , listen to Free Music more.Join the Free Music Push [ blogspot.com ] Change has to start somewhere .
Three is some good stuff out there with Free licenses on it .
Give it some attention and some love.drew</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, If you want to see more Free Music made, listen to Free Music more.Join the Free Music Push [blogspot.com]Change has to start somewhere.
Three is some good stuff out there with Free licenses on it.
Give it some attention and some love.drew</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30459064</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1259688600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Am I the only one that is completely confused?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only one that is completely confused ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only one that is completely confused?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30459840</id>
	<title>Legal help?</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1259691300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Last night, my MP3 player suddenly got stuck on the song 4'33" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4\%E2\%80\%B233\%E2\%80\%B3). It keeps playing the haunting melody over and over, and nothing I can do will make it stop!</p><p>Besides having that tune running through my head all day, how much am I going to have to pay the RIAA for this? I never purchased this song, so it is distresssing that I am stuck paying for it. Is there a virus that loads such things onto MP3 players?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last night , my MP3 player suddenly got stuck on the song 4'33 " ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4 \ % E2 \ % 80 \ % B233 \ % E2 \ % 80 \ % B3 ) .
It keeps playing the haunting melody over and over , and nothing I can do will make it stop ! Besides having that tune running through my head all day , how much am I going to have to pay the RIAA for this ?
I never purchased this song , so it is distresssing that I am stuck paying for it .
Is there a virus that loads such things onto MP3 players ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last night, my MP3 player suddenly got stuck on the song 4'33" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4\%E2\%80\%B233\%E2\%80\%B3).
It keeps playing the haunting melody over and over, and nothing I can do will make it stop!Besides having that tune running through my head all day, how much am I going to have to pay the RIAA for this?
I never purchased this song, so it is distresssing that I am stuck paying for it.
Is there a virus that loads such things onto MP3 players?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30458234</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the music "industry" soon?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259685480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Remember the ASCAP threatened to sue the girl scouts and boy scouts over the signing done at camp!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember the ASCAP threatened to sue the girl scouts and boy scouts over the signing done at camp !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember the ASCAP threatened to sue the girl scouts and boy scouts over the signing done at camp!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456328</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456392</id>
	<title>Re:The music industry</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1259675700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm fairly sure that the music industry is "putting a CAP in its 'AS'", as the kids these days would say...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm fairly sure that the music industry is " putting a CAP in its 'AS ' " , as the kids these days would say.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm fairly sure that the music industry is "putting a CAP in its 'AS'", as the kids these days would say...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456004</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30457222</id>
	<title>This will kill jobs and hurt what is left of the A</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1259681040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This will kill jobs and hurt what is left of the arcade industry even more so in the Chicago area. Some one better tell obama.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This will kill jobs and hurt what is left of the arcade industry even more so in the Chicago area .
Some one better tell obama .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This will kill jobs and hurt what is left of the arcade industry even more so in the Chicago area.
Some one better tell obama.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30457244</id>
	<title>Re:Join the Free Music Push</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1259681160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree with your sentiment, but it doesn't apply as I mentioned in another comment; if your bar only hires folk bands who play public domain music and bands that create their own music, ASCAP will still put you out of business if you don't pay their extortion fees.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with your sentiment , but it does n't apply as I mentioned in another comment ; if your bar only hires folk bands who play public domain music and bands that create their own music , ASCAP will still put you out of business if you do n't pay their extortion fees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with your sentiment, but it doesn't apply as I mentioned in another comment; if your bar only hires folk bands who play public domain music and bands that create their own music, ASCAP will still put you out of business if you don't pay their extortion fees.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456462</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30457384</id>
	<title>Direct with ASCAP?</title>
	<author>flahwho</author>
	<datestamp>1259682060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A few things have been said comparing RIAA with ASCAP, and I agree that they are both the "industry" part we'd all like to eliminate or govern better. <br> <br>
 so which one is worse?
IMHO ASCAP is worse because they deal in all the venues - The production and manufacturing, the retail markets and the public performance places (bars, restaurants, retail stores, concert venues, malls etc). They take cuts from every part of the line including the last in line, the establishments that offer music as a service to a consumer.  If you're a small business owner, with a nightclub with DJs or bands or even a store that wants to play his local radio station over his PA, you might as well figure on spending a lot of money because surely you will have an ASCAP representative knocking on your door telling you you are required to pay an outrageous fee to a PO box somewhere in Kansas. They'll bully you for months then weeks then days and threaten you with lawsuits and send you legitimate looking licensing pamphlets with absolutely no pricing and very little information about the laws or levels or types of licensing. You'll get the same info when dealing direct with ASCAP (the ONLY public point of contact direct to ASCAP is ONLY through their website- of  which is also vague and semi-threatning). You'll get ink-jet printed price-sheets handed or mailed to you by these ASCAP representatives.  Haggling will get you better prices, to which RED FLAGS are customary.  If you do not pay, the bullying continues,  lawsuits are threatened, youre forced to feel obligated to pay for something you have no idea is even a tangible item or not. If you're a small business owner, you are only dealing with the representative, the next level up is an ASCAP lawyer.  Your lawyer will most likely say they have a legal right to demand the money from you, neither you nor any combined effort would be able to survive an ASCAP lawsuit.
<br> <br>
You may be bullied also by your local amusement provider (the company that provides jukeboxes and pool tables for rent).
<br> <br>
-- my sig had an Aerosmith lyric in it, but I was forced to remove it or pay a licensing fee.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A few things have been said comparing RIAA with ASCAP , and I agree that they are both the " industry " part we 'd all like to eliminate or govern better .
so which one is worse ?
IMHO ASCAP is worse because they deal in all the venues - The production and manufacturing , the retail markets and the public performance places ( bars , restaurants , retail stores , concert venues , malls etc ) .
They take cuts from every part of the line including the last in line , the establishments that offer music as a service to a consumer .
If you 're a small business owner , with a nightclub with DJs or bands or even a store that wants to play his local radio station over his PA , you might as well figure on spending a lot of money because surely you will have an ASCAP representative knocking on your door telling you you are required to pay an outrageous fee to a PO box somewhere in Kansas .
They 'll bully you for months then weeks then days and threaten you with lawsuits and send you legitimate looking licensing pamphlets with absolutely no pricing and very little information about the laws or levels or types of licensing .
You 'll get the same info when dealing direct with ASCAP ( the ONLY public point of contact direct to ASCAP is ONLY through their website- of which is also vague and semi-threatning ) .
You 'll get ink-jet printed price-sheets handed or mailed to you by these ASCAP representatives .
Haggling will get you better prices , to which RED FLAGS are customary .
If you do not pay , the bullying continues , lawsuits are threatened , youre forced to feel obligated to pay for something you have no idea is even a tangible item or not .
If you 're a small business owner , you are only dealing with the representative , the next level up is an ASCAP lawyer .
Your lawyer will most likely say they have a legal right to demand the money from you , neither you nor any combined effort would be able to survive an ASCAP lawsuit .
You may be bullied also by your local amusement provider ( the company that provides jukeboxes and pool tables for rent ) .
-- my sig had an Aerosmith lyric in it , but I was forced to remove it or pay a licensing fee .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A few things have been said comparing RIAA with ASCAP, and I agree that they are both the "industry" part we'd all like to eliminate or govern better.
so which one is worse?
IMHO ASCAP is worse because they deal in all the venues - The production and manufacturing, the retail markets and the public performance places (bars, restaurants, retail stores, concert venues, malls etc).
They take cuts from every part of the line including the last in line, the establishments that offer music as a service to a consumer.
If you're a small business owner, with a nightclub with DJs or bands or even a store that wants to play his local radio station over his PA, you might as well figure on spending a lot of money because surely you will have an ASCAP representative knocking on your door telling you you are required to pay an outrageous fee to a PO box somewhere in Kansas.
They'll bully you for months then weeks then days and threaten you with lawsuits and send you legitimate looking licensing pamphlets with absolutely no pricing and very little information about the laws or levels or types of licensing.
You'll get the same info when dealing direct with ASCAP (the ONLY public point of contact direct to ASCAP is ONLY through their website- of  which is also vague and semi-threatning).
You'll get ink-jet printed price-sheets handed or mailed to you by these ASCAP representatives.
Haggling will get you better prices, to which RED FLAGS are customary.
If you do not pay, the bullying continues,  lawsuits are threatened, youre forced to feel obligated to pay for something you have no idea is even a tangible item or not.
If you're a small business owner, you are only dealing with the representative, the next level up is an ASCAP lawyer.
Your lawyer will most likely say they have a legal right to demand the money from you, neither you nor any combined effort would be able to survive an ASCAP lawsuit.
You may be bullied also by your local amusement provider (the company that provides jukeboxes and pool tables for rent).
-- my sig had an Aerosmith lyric in it, but I was forced to remove it or pay a licensing fee.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456448</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the music "industry" soon?</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1259676360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We could get rid of them. If they didn't have the monetary muscle and clout to twist laws around and bunker behind a wall of lawyers (albeit the mental picture of RIAA lawyers being layered on top of each other like sandbags is appealing...), they would have lost most of the influence they have.</p><p>The point is that they have become obsolete. What's their trade? Basically it's being the middle man between producer of art and consumer, as you pointed out. Their job was to bring the music the artists make to the people who want to enjoy it.</p><p>And that's not needed anymore. I can see their fear of the internet. It is the perfect medium to distribute information. And that's basically the business they're in. If there is a free middle man, like the internet, who would pay one?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We could get rid of them .
If they did n't have the monetary muscle and clout to twist laws around and bunker behind a wall of lawyers ( albeit the mental picture of RIAA lawyers being layered on top of each other like sandbags is appealing... ) , they would have lost most of the influence they have.The point is that they have become obsolete .
What 's their trade ?
Basically it 's being the middle man between producer of art and consumer , as you pointed out .
Their job was to bring the music the artists make to the people who want to enjoy it.And that 's not needed anymore .
I can see their fear of the internet .
It is the perfect medium to distribute information .
And that 's basically the business they 're in .
If there is a free middle man , like the internet , who would pay one ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We could get rid of them.
If they didn't have the monetary muscle and clout to twist laws around and bunker behind a wall of lawyers (albeit the mental picture of RIAA lawyers being layered on top of each other like sandbags is appealing...), they would have lost most of the influence they have.The point is that they have become obsolete.
What's their trade?
Basically it's being the middle man between producer of art and consumer, as you pointed out.
Their job was to bring the music the artists make to the people who want to enjoy it.And that's not needed anymore.
I can see their fear of the internet.
It is the perfect medium to distribute information.
And that's basically the business they're in.
If there is a free middle man, like the internet, who would pay one?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30458398</id>
	<title>Why are we taking this at face value?</title>
	<author>IshmaelDS</author>
	<datestamp>1259685960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's one post on one forum.   Does anyone have any other evidence that ASCAP is doing this?  I'm all for getting rid of them, and copyright altogeather, but let's at least make sure we are arguing about things that are actually happening.   I would like to see if there is any other people that report the same thing.  I mean the post in response to the linked one is from someone else that runs GH Arcade and hasn't had any problems.   Anyone else in the St Louis area that can confirm this is happening?   or are we just going to fly off the handle over things we have no evidence of now?  *cue "this is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.", "your new here" etc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's one post on one forum .
Does anyone have any other evidence that ASCAP is doing this ?
I 'm all for getting rid of them , and copyright altogeather , but let 's at least make sure we are arguing about things that are actually happening .
I would like to see if there is any other people that report the same thing .
I mean the post in response to the linked one is from someone else that runs GH Arcade and has n't had any problems .
Anyone else in the St Louis area that can confirm this is happening ?
or are we just going to fly off the handle over things we have no evidence of now ?
* cue " this is / .
" , " your new here " etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's one post on one forum.
Does anyone have any other evidence that ASCAP is doing this?
I'm all for getting rid of them, and copyright altogeather, but let's at least make sure we are arguing about things that are actually happening.
I would like to see if there is any other people that report the same thing.
I mean the post in response to the linked one is from someone else that runs GH Arcade and hasn't had any problems.
Anyone else in the St Louis area that can confirm this is happening?
or are we just going to fly off the handle over things we have no evidence of now?
*cue "this is /.
", "your new here" etc.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30463608</id>
	<title>Re:LONG Copyrights are a big part of the problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259660940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First of all, creators and artists do not get paid forever; only while their work is popular and making money.  That's the point of the long Copyright - you don't know how long it's going to be before it makes money.  For example Mac McAnally wrote "Down the Road" something like 20 years ago, but it never went anywhere.  Suddenly Kenny Chesney recorded it, it went #1 with a bullet and millions of dollars were made.  By your rules, Mac would receive absolutely nothing for writing the song while Kenny raked in the dough.</p><p>The change your suggesting would actually HELP the RIAA screw songwriters.  They would simply wait until the song entered public domain before recording it and wouldn't have to pay the author squat.</p><p>So unfortunately it's just not that simple.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First of all , creators and artists do not get paid forever ; only while their work is popular and making money .
That 's the point of the long Copyright - you do n't know how long it 's going to be before it makes money .
For example Mac McAnally wrote " Down the Road " something like 20 years ago , but it never went anywhere .
Suddenly Kenny Chesney recorded it , it went # 1 with a bullet and millions of dollars were made .
By your rules , Mac would receive absolutely nothing for writing the song while Kenny raked in the dough.The change your suggesting would actually HELP the RIAA screw songwriters .
They would simply wait until the song entered public domain before recording it and would n't have to pay the author squat.So unfortunately it 's just not that simple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, creators and artists do not get paid forever; only while their work is popular and making money.
That's the point of the long Copyright - you don't know how long it's going to be before it makes money.
For example Mac McAnally wrote "Down the Road" something like 20 years ago, but it never went anywhere.
Suddenly Kenny Chesney recorded it, it went #1 with a bullet and millions of dollars were made.
By your rules, Mac would receive absolutely nothing for writing the song while Kenny raked in the dough.The change your suggesting would actually HELP the RIAA screw songwriters.
They would simply wait until the song entered public domain before recording it and wouldn't have to pay the author squat.So unfortunately it's just not that simple.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30464266</id>
	<title>What?</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1259663400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I say send it back to the publisher, which I think is Activision. Let them know that it wasn't part of the deal to pay the ASCAP rate and it should have been mentioned to them before they purchased the machine. Let Activision deal with that relationship.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I say send it back to the publisher , which I think is Activision .
Let them know that it was n't part of the deal to pay the ASCAP rate and it should have been mentioned to them before they purchased the machine .
Let Activision deal with that relationship .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I say send it back to the publisher, which I think is Activision.
Let them know that it wasn't part of the deal to pay the ASCAP rate and it should have been mentioned to them before they purchased the machine.
Let Activision deal with that relationship.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30458826</id>
	<title>Re:The music industry</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1259687640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ASCAP reps are scumbags and should be treated as such.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ASCAP reps are scumbags and should be treated as such .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ASCAP reps are scumbags and should be treated as such.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456640</id>
	<title>Re:A jukebox?</title>
	<author>2obvious4u</author>
	<datestamp>1259677740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thank you for bringing this to our attention.  Our lawyers will be contacting Konami.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<br>
<br>
ASCAP</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you for bringing this to our attention .
Our lawyers will be contacting Konami .
Sincerely , ASCAP</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
Our lawyers will be contacting Konami.
Sincerely,


ASCAP</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456174</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456004</id>
	<title>The music industry</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259672400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The music industry shooting iself in the foot?

Colour me surprised...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The music industry shooting iself in the foot ?
Colour me surprised.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The music industry shooting iself in the foot?
Colour me surprised...</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30457464</id>
	<title>Donkey Kong Theme</title>
	<author>fortapocalypse</author>
	<datestamp>1259682420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Those Donkey Kong machines make music. They're just like jukeboxes!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Those Donkey Kong machines make music .
They 're just like jukeboxes !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those Donkey Kong machines make music.
They're just like jukeboxes!</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456296</id>
	<title>I'd go further...</title>
	<author>blcamp</author>
	<datestamp>1259674800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IANAL but I'd tell the ASCAP flunky that the music's ALREADY LICENSED to start with. Otherwise it wouldn't even make it to the GH machine in the first place, right?</p><p>Sounds like an attempted shakedown of a small business that's not legally bound to pay anything in this instance.</p><p>Perhaps ASCAP need to be introduced to a different acronym: RICO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IANAL but I 'd tell the ASCAP flunky that the music 's ALREADY LICENSED to start with .
Otherwise it would n't even make it to the GH machine in the first place , right ? Sounds like an attempted shakedown of a small business that 's not legally bound to pay anything in this instance.Perhaps ASCAP need to be introduced to a different acronym : RICO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IANAL but I'd tell the ASCAP flunky that the music's ALREADY LICENSED to start with.
Otherwise it wouldn't even make it to the GH machine in the first place, right?Sounds like an attempted shakedown of a small business that's not legally bound to pay anything in this instance.Perhaps ASCAP need to be introduced to a different acronym: RICO.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456922</id>
	<title>Re:I'd go further...</title>
	<author>PopeRatzo</author>
	<datestamp>1259679300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ASCAP was created so that jukeboxes wouldn't put musicians out of business.  Not rock stars, but regular working musicians.  There was a time when almost every nightclub had live musicians providing entertainment.</p><p>Music on CDs or mp3s or video games is licensed for private enjoyment, not to provide entertainment to a public place of business like an arcade, bar or nightclub.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ASCAP was created so that jukeboxes would n't put musicians out of business .
Not rock stars , but regular working musicians .
There was a time when almost every nightclub had live musicians providing entertainment.Music on CDs or mp3s or video games is licensed for private enjoyment , not to provide entertainment to a public place of business like an arcade , bar or nightclub .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ASCAP was created so that jukeboxes wouldn't put musicians out of business.
Not rock stars, but regular working musicians.
There was a time when almost every nightclub had live musicians providing entertainment.Music on CDs or mp3s or video games is licensed for private enjoyment, not to provide entertainment to a public place of business like an arcade, bar or nightclub.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456402</id>
	<title>Re:Can we get rid of the music "industry" soon?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259675820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe it was Mafia and gangster money that financed the first record companies when the artists moved out of the clubs and into larger venues and they wanted to take advantage of the new playback technologies like the humble gramophone. Dirty money started it and dirty money still runs it. Glad to see nothing has changed in the last 90 years!</p><p>Dump that mass-produced U2, X-Factor cack and start checking out your local club scenes, get into niche music of your choice, where the artists benefit directly from your investment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe it was Mafia and gangster money that financed the first record companies when the artists moved out of the clubs and into larger venues and they wanted to take advantage of the new playback technologies like the humble gramophone .
Dirty money started it and dirty money still runs it .
Glad to see nothing has changed in the last 90 years ! Dump that mass-produced U2 , X-Factor cack and start checking out your local club scenes , get into niche music of your choice , where the artists benefit directly from your investment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe it was Mafia and gangster money that financed the first record companies when the artists moved out of the clubs and into larger venues and they wanted to take advantage of the new playback technologies like the humble gramophone.
Dirty money started it and dirty money still runs it.
Glad to see nothing has changed in the last 90 years!Dump that mass-produced U2, X-Factor cack and start checking out your local club scenes, get into niche music of your choice, where the artists benefit directly from your investment.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456070</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30456498</id>
	<title>Re:I'd go further...</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1259676720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well... I wouldn't count on it. I am aware of a few machines that are essentially running normal computers behind a console shell. Whether they're licensed for public use is highly debatable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well... I would n't count on it .
I am aware of a few machines that are essentially running normal computers behind a console shell .
Whether they 're licensed for public use is highly debatable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well... I wouldn't count on it.
I am aware of a few machines that are essentially running normal computers behind a console shell.
Whether they're licensed for public use is highly debatable.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_16_0940232.30467432</id>
	<title>Re:LONG Copyrights are a big part of the problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259676420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah how the heck is "life of the author plus 70 years" any good?</p><p>You can't create anything when you are 6 feet under!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah how the heck is " life of the author plus 70 years " any good ? You ca n't create anything when you are 6 feet under ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah how the heck is "life of the author plus 70 years" any good?You can't create anything when you are 6 feet under!!
!</sentencetext>
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