<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_15_1718254</id>
	<title>Using Hacked Wiimotes As Scientific Sensors</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1260884940000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>garg0yle writes <i>"Scientists are <a href="http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/12/wiimote-science/">repurposing Wiimotes as scientific sensors</a> to help measure wind speed or evaporation from lakes, among other things.  At about $40 per unit, the controller is much cheaper than specialized sensors.  The scientists are still considering how to add storage and extend the battery life."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>garg0yle writes " Scientists are repurposing Wiimotes as scientific sensors to help measure wind speed or evaporation from lakes , among other things .
At about $ 40 per unit , the controller is much cheaper than specialized sensors .
The scientists are still considering how to add storage and extend the battery life .
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<sentencetext>garg0yle writes "Scientists are repurposing Wiimotes as scientific sensors to help measure wind speed or evaporation from lakes, among other things.
At about $40 per unit, the controller is much cheaper than specialized sensors.
The scientists are still considering how to add storage and extend the battery life.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453162</id>
	<title>Other Sensor Platforms</title>
	<author>Tisha\_AH</author>
	<datestamp>1260889560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the pricing of scientific instrumentation is based largely upon the limited number of devices produced. The folks who make sensors really do not care too much about the price and are looking at recovering their development, manufacturing and marketing costs off of very small sales quantities.</p><p>A case in point; I work with AMI (SmartGrid) systems for measuring water and electricity consumption. These devices have a surprising level of sophistication, very long battery lives (10-20 years off of a Li-Ion battery) and can store a data-point every fifteen minutes and report it back across a radio network. I "know" the manufacturing costs are down in the $30-60 range for each device. The manufacturers are all anxious to get customers (utilities) to spend their millions on projects to put SmartGrid technologies into cities so the more you buy, the cheaper they get. The data is frequently coming from "absolute encoders" on water meters and less frequently, from pulse encoders that generate a certain number of pulses per 1000's of gallons (the device counts them up, multiplies them by a K factor and gives you a corrected value for gallons of water consumed).</p><p>The Nintendo Wi is a good example. How many millions of the Wi devices are made? If they were $250 each there would not be many consumers buying them so they mass-produce and keep the prices low. You see the same effect when you hear about banks of PlayStation 3's being used in clusters for supercomputing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the pricing of scientific instrumentation is based largely upon the limited number of devices produced .
The folks who make sensors really do not care too much about the price and are looking at recovering their development , manufacturing and marketing costs off of very small sales quantities.A case in point ; I work with AMI ( SmartGrid ) systems for measuring water and electricity consumption .
These devices have a surprising level of sophistication , very long battery lives ( 10-20 years off of a Li-Ion battery ) and can store a data-point every fifteen minutes and report it back across a radio network .
I " know " the manufacturing costs are down in the $ 30-60 range for each device .
The manufacturers are all anxious to get customers ( utilities ) to spend their millions on projects to put SmartGrid technologies into cities so the more you buy , the cheaper they get .
The data is frequently coming from " absolute encoders " on water meters and less frequently , from pulse encoders that generate a certain number of pulses per 1000 's of gallons ( the device counts them up , multiplies them by a K factor and gives you a corrected value for gallons of water consumed ) .The Nintendo Wi is a good example .
How many millions of the Wi devices are made ?
If they were $ 250 each there would not be many consumers buying them so they mass-produce and keep the prices low .
You see the same effect when you hear about banks of PlayStation 3 's being used in clusters for supercomputing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the pricing of scientific instrumentation is based largely upon the limited number of devices produced.
The folks who make sensors really do not care too much about the price and are looking at recovering their development, manufacturing and marketing costs off of very small sales quantities.A case in point; I work with AMI (SmartGrid) systems for measuring water and electricity consumption.
These devices have a surprising level of sophistication, very long battery lives (10-20 years off of a Li-Ion battery) and can store a data-point every fifteen minutes and report it back across a radio network.
I "know" the manufacturing costs are down in the $30-60 range for each device.
The manufacturers are all anxious to get customers (utilities) to spend their millions on projects to put SmartGrid technologies into cities so the more you buy, the cheaper they get.
The data is frequently coming from "absolute encoders" on water meters and less frequently, from pulse encoders that generate a certain number of pulses per 1000's of gallons (the device counts them up, multiplies them by a K factor and gives you a corrected value for gallons of water consumed).The Nintendo Wi is a good example.
How many millions of the Wi devices are made?
If they were $250 each there would not be many consumers buying them so they mass-produce and keep the prices low.
You see the same effect when you hear about banks of PlayStation 3's being used in clusters for supercomputing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30455484</id>
	<title>Re:Oh Science.</title>
	<author>V!NCENT</author>
	<datestamp>1259667720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not to mention the fact that with a day worth of salary you can buy a tenfold of these things...</p><p>It's like driving ten extra miles to a store where you can get a 5 dollar discount. "Yeah but I save 5 dollers!" -"Yeah and you pay 6 dollar worth of fuel, you complete retard!"</p><p>Sorry for the obviousness and the rant, but hey, this is the internet<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to mention the fact that with a day worth of salary you can buy a tenfold of these things...It 's like driving ten extra miles to a store where you can get a 5 dollar discount .
" Yeah but I save 5 dollers !
" - " Yeah and you pay 6 dollar worth of fuel , you complete retard !
" Sorry for the obviousness and the rant , but hey , this is the internet : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to mention the fact that with a day worth of salary you can buy a tenfold of these things...It's like driving ten extra miles to a store where you can get a 5 dollar discount.
"Yeah but I save 5 dollers!
" -"Yeah and you pay 6 dollar worth of fuel, you complete retard!
"Sorry for the obviousness and the rant, but hey, this is the internet :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30455142</id>
	<title>Re:as long as you don't care about accuracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259663220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone questioning your study can just get off their lazy asses, and go measure it themselves. That's how science has always worked.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone questioning your study can just get off their lazy asses , and go measure it themselves .
That 's how science has always worked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone questioning your study can just get off their lazy asses, and go measure it themselves.
That's how science has always worked.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453432</id>
	<title>Re:Power Glove</title>
	<author>inode\_buddha</author>
	<datestamp>1260892260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>it would sell if you had interactive pr0n games...</htmltext>
<tokenext>it would sell if you had interactive pr0n games.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it would sell if you had interactive pr0n games...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30454046</id>
	<title>Re:as long as you don't care about accuracy</title>
	<author>evanbd</author>
	<datestamp>1260899280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Making your own instrumentation is common.  I've done it in an industry setting, though not in a lab; but I've heard about plenty of labs that build their own special-purpose instruments.  The end result is that you have to calibrate it.  Obviously you can't use something like this without at least verifying the calibration, but that can be very easy.</p><p>Once you've calibrated it, what's not to like about a piece of consumer electronics that does the job?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Making your own instrumentation is common .
I 've done it in an industry setting , though not in a lab ; but I 've heard about plenty of labs that build their own special-purpose instruments .
The end result is that you have to calibrate it .
Obviously you ca n't use something like this without at least verifying the calibration , but that can be very easy.Once you 've calibrated it , what 's not to like about a piece of consumer electronics that does the job ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Making your own instrumentation is common.
I've done it in an industry setting, though not in a lab; but I've heard about plenty of labs that build their own special-purpose instruments.
The end result is that you have to calibrate it.
Obviously you can't use something like this without at least verifying the calibration, but that can be very easy.Once you've calibrated it, what's not to like about a piece of consumer electronics that does the job?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453436</id>
	<title>Re:Power Glove</title>
	<author>Cryacin</author>
	<datestamp>1260892260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Like this one?  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerglove" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerglove</a> [wikipedia.org] <br>
<br>
I remember hacking one of these as a kid when "Virtual Reality" first came out, and we did the same thing. Bucketloads of fun. Nintendo should probably review one of their previous commercial failures. At least they won't have any patenting issues.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Like this one ?
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerglove [ wikipedia.org ] I remember hacking one of these as a kid when " Virtual Reality " first came out , and we did the same thing .
Bucketloads of fun .
Nintendo should probably review one of their previous commercial failures .
At least they wo n't have any patenting issues .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like this one?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerglove [wikipedia.org] 

I remember hacking one of these as a kid when "Virtual Reality" first came out, and we did the same thing.
Bucketloads of fun.
Nintendo should probably review one of their previous commercial failures.
At least they won't have any patenting issues.
;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30459072</id>
	<title>Re:Oh Science.</title>
	<author>j00r0m4nc3r</author>
	<datestamp>1259688600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>It's like driving ten extra miles to a store where you can get a 5 dollar discount. "Yeah but I save 5 dollers!" -"Yeah and you pay 6 dollar worth of fuel, you complete retard!"</i> <br> <br>
If it costs you $6 in fuel to drive 10 miles, I would say you are the retard.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's like driving ten extra miles to a store where you can get a 5 dollar discount .
" Yeah but I save 5 dollers !
" - " Yeah and you pay 6 dollar worth of fuel , you complete retard !
" If it costs you $ 6 in fuel to drive 10 miles , I would say you are the retard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's like driving ten extra miles to a store where you can get a 5 dollar discount.
"Yeah but I save 5 dollers!
" -"Yeah and you pay 6 dollar worth of fuel, you complete retard!
"  
If it costs you $6 in fuel to drive 10 miles, I would say you are the retard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30521616</id>
	<title>Re:It's not about how much it costs to make</title>
	<author>Mr. Freeman</author>
	<datestamp>1261475340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"From scratch" means literally attaching the wires to the board.  Not even soldering them.  You take the leads from the accelerometer and plug them into the headers on the board.  That's about as much work as plugging the wimote into a computer.<br><br>Your argument about writing software is moot.  The wiimote doesn't work right out of the box either.  You have to write just as much, if not more, software to interface with it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" From scratch " means literally attaching the wires to the board .
Not even soldering them .
You take the leads from the accelerometer and plug them into the headers on the board .
That 's about as much work as plugging the wimote into a computer.Your argument about writing software is moot .
The wiimote does n't work right out of the box either .
You have to write just as much , if not more , software to interface with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"From scratch" means literally attaching the wires to the board.
Not even soldering them.
You take the leads from the accelerometer and plug them into the headers on the board.
That's about as much work as plugging the wimote into a computer.Your argument about writing software is moot.
The wiimote doesn't work right out of the box either.
You have to write just as much, if not more, software to interface with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453110</id>
	<title>"scientists"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260889140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seems like more of an engineering challenge than a scientific one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems like more of an engineering challenge than a scientific one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems like more of an engineering challenge than a scientific one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453282</id>
	<title>Anything goes...</title>
	<author>MindPrison</author>
	<datestamp>1260890460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...thats the beauty of science, we're not limited to "have to", but more what we could do - "because we can".</p><p>In amateur science circles, we also used commercially available TV-tuners as spectrum analyzers, instead of purchasing a commercial test-instrument that cost up to a 100.000 dollars, it could be made to perform pretty close and pretty well with some external circuitry for a few hundred bucks, made it affordable for the radio-amateur, science amateurs, and science students everywhere.</p><p>Absolutely LOVE to see people use the resources like the Wiimote like that, excellent!</p><p>So yeah - sky's the limit!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...thats the beauty of science , we 're not limited to " have to " , but more what we could do - " because we can " .In amateur science circles , we also used commercially available TV-tuners as spectrum analyzers , instead of purchasing a commercial test-instrument that cost up to a 100.000 dollars , it could be made to perform pretty close and pretty well with some external circuitry for a few hundred bucks , made it affordable for the radio-amateur , science amateurs , and science students everywhere.Absolutely LOVE to see people use the resources like the Wiimote like that , excellent ! So yeah - sky 's the limit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...thats the beauty of science, we're not limited to "have to", but more what we could do - "because we can".In amateur science circles, we also used commercially available TV-tuners as spectrum analyzers, instead of purchasing a commercial test-instrument that cost up to a 100.000 dollars, it could be made to perform pretty close and pretty well with some external circuitry for a few hundred bucks, made it affordable for the radio-amateur, science amateurs, and science students everywhere.Absolutely LOVE to see people use the resources like the Wiimote like that, excellent!So yeah - sky's the limit!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453972</id>
	<title>Doesn't surprise me. We use them to Teach.</title>
	<author>The Infamous TommyD</author>
	<datestamp>1260898500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using them in my Computer Eng. Problem Solving class for 3 years.</p><p>Here's a vid where freshmen measure a drop (accounting for air resistance) using a wiimote.<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPCBfyQP4eE" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPCBfyQP4eE</a> [youtube.com]<br>I'd say they make a great instrument as long as you quantify your error.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using them in my Computer Eng .
Problem Solving class for 3 years.Here 's a vid where freshmen measure a drop ( accounting for air resistance ) using a wiimote.http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = tPCBfyQP4eE [ youtube.com ] I 'd say they make a great instrument as long as you quantify your error .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using them in my Computer Eng.
Problem Solving class for 3 years.Here's a vid where freshmen measure a drop (accounting for air resistance) using a wiimote.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPCBfyQP4eE [youtube.com]I'd say they make a great instrument as long as you quantify your error.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453234</id>
	<title>Scientific Value of Wii, PS3, XBox 360?</title>
	<author>Psaakyrn</author>
	<datestamp>1260890040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm curious on the non-game advances the Wii, PS3, and XBox 360 has provided for the community.</p><p>The Wii advances via it's mass-produced controller, the PS3 advances via mass-produced mini-computer, the XBox 360... um... (need some help here).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm curious on the non-game advances the Wii , PS3 , and XBox 360 has provided for the community.The Wii advances via it 's mass-produced controller , the PS3 advances via mass-produced mini-computer , the XBox 360... um... ( need some help here ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm curious on the non-game advances the Wii, PS3, and XBox 360 has provided for the community.The Wii advances via it's mass-produced controller, the PS3 advances via mass-produced mini-computer, the XBox 360... um... (need some help here).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453626</id>
	<title>Re:Scientific Value of Wii, PS3, XBox 360?</title>
	<author>Megane</author>
	<datestamp>1260894480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>The 360 advances via its mass-produced red LEDs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The 360 advances via its mass-produced red LEDs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 360 advances via its mass-produced red LEDs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453074</id>
	<title>Is this what the University of East Anglia is usin</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260888840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>to detect global warming?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>to detect global warming ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>to detect global warming?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453228</id>
	<title>Re:Oh Science.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260889980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>except that,<br>grad students are like 50x cheaper than the specilized sensor, so a day working on this is still cheaper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>except that,grad students are like 50x cheaper than the specilized sensor , so a day working on this is still cheaper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>except that,grad students are like 50x cheaper than the specilized sensor, so a day working on this is still cheaper.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453350</id>
	<title>Funny coincidence</title>
	<author>idolcrash</author>
	<datestamp>1260891120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The lab I work in uses hacked Wiimotes to study visual pecerption in autism, Alzheimer's, and Parkinson's. They can be programmed with C#, which our PI and another undergrad learned to work with the Wiimotes...the ease of use and the hackability are pretty good selling points besides the price.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The lab I work in uses hacked Wiimotes to study visual pecerption in autism , Alzheimer 's , and Parkinson 's .
They can be programmed with C # , which our PI and another undergrad learned to work with the Wiimotes...the ease of use and the hackability are pretty good selling points besides the price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The lab I work in uses hacked Wiimotes to study visual pecerption in autism, Alzheimer's, and Parkinson's.
They can be programmed with C#, which our PI and another undergrad learned to work with the Wiimotes...the ease of use and the hackability are pretty good selling points besides the price.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30463092</id>
	<title>Re:fun but probably not that accurate</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1259659140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Without a doubt. But if the incredible detail will just be discarded in favor of a simple trend anyway, you'll be paying a lot for nothing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Without a doubt .
But if the incredible detail will just be discarded in favor of a simple trend anyway , you 'll be paying a lot for nothing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without a doubt.
But if the incredible detail will just be discarded in favor of a simple trend anyway, you'll be paying a lot for nothing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30455468</id>
	<title>Re:It's not about how much it costs to make</title>
	<author>hairykrishna</author>
	<datestamp>1259667540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So the accelerometer set up you propose would cost about the same as the wiimote only they'd have to build it from scratch and write some software for it? Plus, why would you want to process the data on board? You're not doing anything with it immediately. I see your point about the camera though. What res are wiimote cameras?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So the accelerometer set up you propose would cost about the same as the wiimote only they 'd have to build it from scratch and write some software for it ?
Plus , why would you want to process the data on board ?
You 're not doing anything with it immediately .
I see your point about the camera though .
What res are wiimote cameras ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the accelerometer set up you propose would cost about the same as the wiimote only they'd have to build it from scratch and write some software for it?
Plus, why would you want to process the data on board?
You're not doing anything with it immediately.
I see your point about the camera though.
What res are wiimote cameras?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30454368</id>
	<title>Re:fun but probably not that accurate</title>
	<author>SleazyRidr</author>
	<datestamp>1260902880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly, you do get what you pay for, so why pay for more than you need. I haven't RTFA but the type of science they are doing probably doesn't need to be all that accurate to get meaningful conclusions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly , you do get what you pay for , so why pay for more than you need .
I have n't RTFA but the type of science they are doing probably does n't need to be all that accurate to get meaningful conclusions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly, you do get what you pay for, so why pay for more than you need.
I haven't RTFA but the type of science they are doing probably doesn't need to be all that accurate to get meaningful conclusions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30460952</id>
	<title>That's cool</title>
	<author>Ranger</author>
	<datestamp>1259695200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've seen other demos of using wiimotes for other purposes. Such as taping it to a google headseat for a semi-VR experience.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen other demos of using wiimotes for other purposes .
Such as taping it to a google headseat for a semi-VR experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen other demos of using wiimotes for other purposes.
Such as taping it to a google headseat for a semi-VR experience.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453388</id>
	<title>Extend the battery life</title>
	<author>Craig Davison</author>
	<datestamp>1260891660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's a few Wii battery packs out there that allow the controller to be powered over USB with a standard A to mini-B cable. Here's one:<br><a href="http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4978" title="dealextreme.com">http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4978</a> [dealextreme.com]<br>Of course, if you drain the battery pack faster than you can recharge it, you might have a problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a few Wii battery packs out there that allow the controller to be powered over USB with a standard A to mini-B cable .
Here 's one : http : //www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4978 [ dealextreme.com ] Of course , if you drain the battery pack faster than you can recharge it , you might have a problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a few Wii battery packs out there that allow the controller to be powered over USB with a standard A to mini-B cable.
Here's one:http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4978 [dealextreme.com]Of course, if you drain the battery pack faster than you can recharge it, you might have a problem.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453592</id>
	<title>Re:It's not about how much it costs to make</title>
	<author>Mr. Freeman</author>
	<datestamp>1260894120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>That, and the fact that a lot of scientific instruments are of the quality needed to do science.  Sure, your bathroom scale is $20, but that won't do you any good when you need to measure masses on the order of one tenth of one milligram.  Even a 3-place "precision" balance for $200 won't cut it for a lot of work.  You need a 4-place analytical balance, which will run you about $4k.<br><br>Cheap sensors work great for things like wind speed and the water level of a lake because any small variation in these readings means absolutely nothing.<br><br>Now, as for the wiimote being an amazing tool, it's really not.  It's being touted as such by scientists who apparently aren't actually examining how this thing works.<br><br>The case in the article mentioned using it to measure water level by using the IR camera on the sensor to record an IR beacon on a floaty thing in the water.  You can do the same thing with a cheap ass digital camera and the same laptop that reads the data from the wiimote for about $10-15.  They also mention putting wiimotes on a collapsing building to gather data.  This is because the wiimote contains a chap accelerometer which you can actually buy on sparkfun.com for much cheaper than an entire wiimote.<br><br>Apparently these guys have never heard of embedded devices.  The arduino, PIC microcontrollers, and NI DAQ devices have been around for years and would perfectly suit the purpose of data collection.  As I'm attending an engineering university currently I've noticed something.  Engineers seem to be much more up to date and logical about what's PRACTICAL.  Sure, you could use a wiimote, but you could get an arduino, a flash drive, and some cheap accelerometers for about $50 and you could use it to collect AND PROCESS five times the amount of data and use it on orders of magnitude more applications.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That , and the fact that a lot of scientific instruments are of the quality needed to do science .
Sure , your bathroom scale is $ 20 , but that wo n't do you any good when you need to measure masses on the order of one tenth of one milligram .
Even a 3-place " precision " balance for $ 200 wo n't cut it for a lot of work .
You need a 4-place analytical balance , which will run you about $ 4k.Cheap sensors work great for things like wind speed and the water level of a lake because any small variation in these readings means absolutely nothing.Now , as for the wiimote being an amazing tool , it 's really not .
It 's being touted as such by scientists who apparently are n't actually examining how this thing works.The case in the article mentioned using it to measure water level by using the IR camera on the sensor to record an IR beacon on a floaty thing in the water .
You can do the same thing with a cheap ass digital camera and the same laptop that reads the data from the wiimote for about $ 10-15 .
They also mention putting wiimotes on a collapsing building to gather data .
This is because the wiimote contains a chap accelerometer which you can actually buy on sparkfun.com for much cheaper than an entire wiimote.Apparently these guys have never heard of embedded devices .
The arduino , PIC microcontrollers , and NI DAQ devices have been around for years and would perfectly suit the purpose of data collection .
As I 'm attending an engineering university currently I 've noticed something .
Engineers seem to be much more up to date and logical about what 's PRACTICAL .
Sure , you could use a wiimote , but you could get an arduino , a flash drive , and some cheap accelerometers for about $ 50 and you could use it to collect AND PROCESS five times the amount of data and use it on orders of magnitude more applications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That, and the fact that a lot of scientific instruments are of the quality needed to do science.
Sure, your bathroom scale is $20, but that won't do you any good when you need to measure masses on the order of one tenth of one milligram.
Even a 3-place "precision" balance for $200 won't cut it for a lot of work.
You need a 4-place analytical balance, which will run you about $4k.Cheap sensors work great for things like wind speed and the water level of a lake because any small variation in these readings means absolutely nothing.Now, as for the wiimote being an amazing tool, it's really not.
It's being touted as such by scientists who apparently aren't actually examining how this thing works.The case in the article mentioned using it to measure water level by using the IR camera on the sensor to record an IR beacon on a floaty thing in the water.
You can do the same thing with a cheap ass digital camera and the same laptop that reads the data from the wiimote for about $10-15.
They also mention putting wiimotes on a collapsing building to gather data.
This is because the wiimote contains a chap accelerometer which you can actually buy on sparkfun.com for much cheaper than an entire wiimote.Apparently these guys have never heard of embedded devices.
The arduino, PIC microcontrollers, and NI DAQ devices have been around for years and would perfectly suit the purpose of data collection.
As I'm attending an engineering university currently I've noticed something.
Engineers seem to be much more up to date and logical about what's PRACTICAL.
Sure, you could use a wiimote, but you could get an arduino, a flash drive, and some cheap accelerometers for about $50 and you could use it to collect AND PROCESS five times the amount of data and use it on orders of magnitude more applications.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30458316</id>
	<title>Re:Oh Science.</title>
	<author>CaptDeuce</author>
	<datestamp>1259685720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There's nothing like spending a day to save a few dollars by not having to buy a specialized sensor. Sounds like my Master's research; why buy good equipment when grad students can spend ages building a poor imitation of it?</p></div><p>
research assistant <i>n</i>. see <em>indentured servant</em>
</p><p>I know that "why" is a rhetorical question.  But...  too bad grad students don't work on grant budgets.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)  Having wrestled with said budgets in Excel (before someone with a bussiness degree took over), I can tell you that the amount of money allocated to equipment tends to be rather flexible.  Any give in the budget tends to be used for junket... er, travel expenses for attending scientific conferences.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's nothing like spending a day to save a few dollars by not having to buy a specialized sensor .
Sounds like my Master 's research ; why buy good equipment when grad students can spend ages building a poor imitation of it ?
research assistant n. see indentured servant I know that " why " is a rhetorical question .
But... too bad grad students do n't work on grant budgets .
: - ) Having wrestled with said budgets in Excel ( before someone with a bussiness degree took over ) , I can tell you that the amount of money allocated to equipment tends to be rather flexible .
Any give in the budget tends to be used for junket... er , travel expenses for attending scientific conferences .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's nothing like spending a day to save a few dollars by not having to buy a specialized sensor.
Sounds like my Master's research; why buy good equipment when grad students can spend ages building a poor imitation of it?
research assistant n. see indentured servant
I know that "why" is a rhetorical question.
But...  too bad grad students don't work on grant budgets.
:-)  Having wrestled with said budgets in Excel (before someone with a bussiness degree took over), I can tell you that the amount of money allocated to equipment tends to be rather flexible.
Any give in the budget tends to be used for junket... er, travel expenses for attending scientific conferences.

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30459828</id>
	<title>Re:Funny coincidence</title>
	<author>acohen1</author>
	<datestamp>1259691240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This sounds very interesting. Do have any published work on that project or maybe a webpage?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds very interesting .
Do have any published work on that project or maybe a webpage ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds very interesting.
Do have any published work on that project or maybe a webpage?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453312</id>
	<title>Re:Scientific Value of Wii, PS3, XBox 360?</title>
	<author>Thinboy00</author>
	<datestamp>1260890700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Xbox 360 is pretty well DRM locked down, so no help is forthcoming.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Xbox 360 is pretty well DRM locked down , so no help is forthcoming .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Xbox 360 is pretty well DRM locked down, so no help is forthcoming.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453614</id>
	<title>Re:"scientists"</title>
	<author>JWSmythe</author>
	<datestamp>1260894360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Everything's an engineering challenge, it all depends on how you look at it.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Sometimes that's half the fun.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; The other half is enjoying the result.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Come on, let your mind sink to the gutter.  It's more fun here.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>    Everything 's an engineering challenge , it all depends on how you look at it .
: )     Sometimes that 's half the fun .
    The other half is enjoying the result .
    Come on , let your mind sink to the gutter .
It 's more fun here .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
    Everything's an engineering challenge, it all depends on how you look at it.
:)
    Sometimes that's half the fun.
    The other half is enjoying the result.
    Come on, let your mind sink to the gutter.
It's more fun here.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453144</id>
	<title>Oh Science.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260889380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>&ldquo;There are probably better ways to measure wind, but it was a day well-spent,&rdquo; Hut said. &ldquo;I really felt the need to solder something.&rdquo;</p></div><p>A day well-spent indeed! There's nothing like spending a day to save a few dollars by not having to buy a specialized sensor. Sounds like my Master's research; why buy good equipment when grad students can spend ages building a poor imitation of it? Still, those days are usually the most fun part of "science" and certainly afford excellent learning opportunities.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>   There are probably better ways to measure wind , but it was a day well-spent ,    Hut said .
   I really felt the need to solder something.    A day well-spent indeed !
There 's nothing like spending a day to save a few dollars by not having to buy a specialized sensor .
Sounds like my Master 's research ; why buy good equipment when grad students can spend ages building a poor imitation of it ?
Still , those days are usually the most fun part of " science " and certainly afford excellent learning opportunities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>“There are probably better ways to measure wind, but it was a day well-spent,” Hut said.
“I really felt the need to solder something.”A day well-spent indeed!
There's nothing like spending a day to save a few dollars by not having to buy a specialized sensor.
Sounds like my Master's research; why buy good equipment when grad students can spend ages building a poor imitation of it?
Still, those days are usually the most fun part of "science" and certainly afford excellent learning opportunities.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30454446</id>
	<title>Re:Extend the battery life</title>
	<author>nametaken</author>
	<datestamp>1260903660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What I found interesting was that they were able to figure out the relatively complicated parts of performing the measurements and recording them in a way they can use later, and yet they still haven't worked out a larger battery?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What I found interesting was that they were able to figure out the relatively complicated parts of performing the measurements and recording them in a way they can use later , and yet they still have n't worked out a larger battery ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I found interesting was that they were able to figure out the relatively complicated parts of performing the measurements and recording them in a way they can use later, and yet they still haven't worked out a larger battery?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30454420</id>
	<title>Heres a power idea</title>
	<author>tengeta</author>
	<datestamp>1260903540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Two wires, solar panel. Bang.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Two wires , solar panel .
Bang .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Two wires, solar panel.
Bang.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30456490</id>
	<title>Re:Other Sensor Platforms</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1259676660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems like Arduino+XBee is the answer for stuff like this, at about $100/3pk of ATM328+Xbee boards; you get a repeating mesh-network and yes, very good battery life. I have a hard time believing that using Wiimotes and then adding battery to them and so on is going to be any cheaper, <em>especially</em> if you're calculating for the cost of development time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems like Arduino + XBee is the answer for stuff like this , at about $ 100/3pk of ATM328 + Xbee boards ; you get a repeating mesh-network and yes , very good battery life .
I have a hard time believing that using Wiimotes and then adding battery to them and so on is going to be any cheaper , especially if you 're calculating for the cost of development time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems like Arduino+XBee is the answer for stuff like this, at about $100/3pk of ATM328+Xbee boards; you get a repeating mesh-network and yes, very good battery life.
I have a hard time believing that using Wiimotes and then adding battery to them and so on is going to be any cheaper, especially if you're calculating for the cost of development time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453580</id>
	<title>as long as you don't care about accuracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260894000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>because why would scientists care about how accurate their data is when you can just accuse anyone questioning your study of being paid by big oil/monsanto/big pharma.</htmltext>
<tokenext>because why would scientists care about how accurate their data is when you can just accuse anyone questioning your study of being paid by big oil/monsanto/big pharma .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>because why would scientists care about how accurate their data is when you can just accuse anyone questioning your study of being paid by big oil/monsanto/big pharma.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453670</id>
	<title>Re:It's not about how much it costs to make</title>
	<author>ctmurray</author>
	<datestamp>1260894900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In industry we are willing to trade money (which we have sometimes) for time (which we are always short of). Since I don't know how to take the sensor and wire it up to a USB port (nor do I know anyone in my lab who can do this) it would take me well over $500 in hourly wages to learn this skill and produce this sensor. As mentioned in another post, academic situations allow for undergrad and grad volunteer (or slightly paid) to spend the time and learn some valuable skills. If anyone at my work needs help with neutron scattering, I can draw upon my grad school experience.<br> <br>

Now I do appreciate others hacking things like the Wii and providing instructions and software to create new sensors.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In industry we are willing to trade money ( which we have sometimes ) for time ( which we are always short of ) .
Since I do n't know how to take the sensor and wire it up to a USB port ( nor do I know anyone in my lab who can do this ) it would take me well over $ 500 in hourly wages to learn this skill and produce this sensor .
As mentioned in another post , academic situations allow for undergrad and grad volunteer ( or slightly paid ) to spend the time and learn some valuable skills .
If anyone at my work needs help with neutron scattering , I can draw upon my grad school experience .
Now I do appreciate others hacking things like the Wii and providing instructions and software to create new sensors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In industry we are willing to trade money (which we have sometimes) for time (which we are always short of).
Since I don't know how to take the sensor and wire it up to a USB port (nor do I know anyone in my lab who can do this) it would take me well over $500 in hourly wages to learn this skill and produce this sensor.
As mentioned in another post, academic situations allow for undergrad and grad volunteer (or slightly paid) to spend the time and learn some valuable skills.
If anyone at my work needs help with neutron scattering, I can draw upon my grad school experience.
Now I do appreciate others hacking things like the Wii and providing instructions and software to create new sensors.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453278</id>
	<title>details on the wind sensor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260890460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>are there any details for the wind sensor? It's only mentioned in the story but not linked to any additional information.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>are there any details for the wind sensor ?
It 's only mentioned in the story but not linked to any additional information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>are there any details for the wind sensor?
It's only mentioned in the story but not linked to any additional information.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453878</id>
	<title>Re:It's not about how much it costs to make</title>
	<author>confused one</author>
	<datestamp>1260897120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Turns out people are interested in real-time tracking of small variations in environmental data.  USGS and NOAA, to name two, pay for 0.1\% accuracy or better in their instruments.  I have an 0.01\% barometer sitting in my desk drawer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Turns out people are interested in real-time tracking of small variations in environmental data .
USGS and NOAA , to name two , pay for 0.1 \ % accuracy or better in their instruments .
I have an 0.01 \ % barometer sitting in my desk drawer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Turns out people are interested in real-time tracking of small variations in environmental data.
USGS and NOAA, to name two, pay for 0.1\% accuracy or better in their instruments.
I have an 0.01\% barometer sitting in my desk drawer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30454864</id>
	<title>Re:Oh Science.</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1259700960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A day well-spent indeed! There's nothing like spending a day to save a few dollars by not having to buy a specialized sensor.</p> </div><p>Looking at the image, I have to wonder why a lab would need to buy or build a "Toy plastic boat" sensor of any type.</p><p>There is a toy plastic boat right there.  I saw it.  I'm surprised they couldn't find a grad student capable of doing that.  Really speaks poorly for the quality of our education system.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A day well-spent indeed !
There 's nothing like spending a day to save a few dollars by not having to buy a specialized sensor .
Looking at the image , I have to wonder why a lab would need to buy or build a " Toy plastic boat " sensor of any type.There is a toy plastic boat right there .
I saw it .
I 'm surprised they could n't find a grad student capable of doing that .
Really speaks poorly for the quality of our education system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A day well-spent indeed!
There's nothing like spending a day to save a few dollars by not having to buy a specialized sensor.
Looking at the image, I have to wonder why a lab would need to buy or build a "Toy plastic boat" sensor of any type.There is a toy plastic boat right there.
I saw it.
I'm surprised they couldn't find a grad student capable of doing that.
Really speaks poorly for the quality of our education system.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30458710</id>
	<title>Re:Scientific Value of Wii, PS3, XBox 360?</title>
	<author>GameboyRMH</author>
	<datestamp>1259687160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the XBox 360... um... (need some help here).</p></div><p>Provides endless comedy with its RRODs, massive overheating power brick, and user-phobic online gaming service.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the XBox 360... um... ( need some help here ) .Provides endless comedy with its RRODs , massive overheating power brick , and user-phobic online gaming service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the XBox 360... um... (need some help here).Provides endless comedy with its RRODs, massive overheating power brick, and user-phobic online gaming service.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453754</id>
	<title>the joys of modern life</title>
	<author>garynuman</author>
	<datestamp>1260895680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>this story reminded me of this <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/08/video-wiimote-controlling-a-15-ton-grapple/" title="engadget.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/08/video-wiimote-controlling-a-15-ton-grapple/</a> [engadget.com]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... its amazing how many uses there are for what is marketed as a toy for children and the elderly....</htmltext>
<tokenext>this story reminded me of this http : //www.engadget.com/2009/07/08/video-wiimote-controlling-a-15-ton-grapple/ [ engadget.com ] ... its amazing how many uses there are for what is marketed as a toy for children and the elderly... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this story reminded me of this http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/08/video-wiimote-controlling-a-15-ton-grapple/ [engadget.com] ... its amazing how many uses there are for what is marketed as a toy for children and the elderly....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453844</id>
	<title>Re:It's not about how much it costs to make</title>
	<author>confused one</author>
	<datestamp>1260896700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You got your units wrong.  That's a 115 kPa sensor, or 16.7 PSIA.  It's a barometer; a baro of 1.5\% accuracy.  A waterproof UL / IS / FM approved water level transducer in a rugged welded stainlesss steel casing in roughly the same accuracy range (1\%) will cost you a few hundred dollars.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You got your units wrong .
That 's a 115 kPa sensor , or 16.7 PSIA .
It 's a barometer ; a baro of 1.5 \ % accuracy .
A waterproof UL / IS / FM approved water level transducer in a rugged welded stainlesss steel casing in roughly the same accuracy range ( 1 \ % ) will cost you a few hundred dollars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You got your units wrong.
That's a 115 kPa sensor, or 16.7 PSIA.
It's a barometer; a baro of 1.5\% accuracy.
A waterproof UL / IS / FM approved water level transducer in a rugged welded stainlesss steel casing in roughly the same accuracy range (1\%) will cost you a few hundred dollars.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453306</id>
	<title>Power Glove</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260890640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am absolutely dying for someone (nintendo maybe even) to make a glove with a wii remote on each finger and thumb. Imagine the possibilities for interaction with a 3D environment with this. You'd be able to grasp things in the 3D space of your game, and your hands position could be tracked more accurately than any other device of a similar type has before. It would be an expensive piece of hardware, but I'd buy it if I could grasp a ball and throw it to another player in a networked game of... something where you throw balls at other players. It doesn't matter! It'd be great.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am absolutely dying for someone ( nintendo maybe even ) to make a glove with a wii remote on each finger and thumb .
Imagine the possibilities for interaction with a 3D environment with this .
You 'd be able to grasp things in the 3D space of your game , and your hands position could be tracked more accurately than any other device of a similar type has before .
It would be an expensive piece of hardware , but I 'd buy it if I could grasp a ball and throw it to another player in a networked game of... something where you throw balls at other players .
It does n't matter !
It 'd be great .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am absolutely dying for someone (nintendo maybe even) to make a glove with a wii remote on each finger and thumb.
Imagine the possibilities for interaction with a 3D environment with this.
You'd be able to grasp things in the 3D space of your game, and your hands position could be tracked more accurately than any other device of a similar type has before.
It would be an expensive piece of hardware, but I'd buy it if I could grasp a ball and throw it to another player in a networked game of... something where you throw balls at other players.
It doesn't matter!
It'd be great.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453150</id>
	<title>It's not about how much it costs to make</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260889440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...this equipment can run $500 or more...</p></div><p>The scientific equipment is more expensive because laboratories are willing to pay more, and have the money. Gamers aren't willing to pay $500 for a controller.</p><p>Look here: <a href="http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Cat=1966259" title="digikey.com" rel="nofollow">Digikey</a> [digikey.com] has 18000 pressure sensors available. I picked <a href="http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&amp;name=MP3H6115A6U-ND" title="digikey.com" rel="nofollow">one</a> [digikey.com] at random, and it can measure pressure up to 115 psi, which is about 60 meters deep in water. It only costs $12. I could make you the serial port/USB interface for like 20 bucks.</p><p>Scientists only pay that much because they are willing to pay that much.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...this equipment can run $ 500 or more...The scientific equipment is more expensive because laboratories are willing to pay more , and have the money .
Gamers are n't willing to pay $ 500 for a controller.Look here : Digikey [ digikey.com ] has 18000 pressure sensors available .
I picked one [ digikey.com ] at random , and it can measure pressure up to 115 psi , which is about 60 meters deep in water .
It only costs $ 12 .
I could make you the serial port/USB interface for like 20 bucks.Scientists only pay that much because they are willing to pay that much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...this equipment can run $500 or more...The scientific equipment is more expensive because laboratories are willing to pay more, and have the money.
Gamers aren't willing to pay $500 for a controller.Look here: Digikey [digikey.com] has 18000 pressure sensors available.
I picked one [digikey.com] at random, and it can measure pressure up to 115 psi, which is about 60 meters deep in water.
It only costs $12.
I could make you the serial port/USB interface for like 20 bucks.Scientists only pay that much because they are willing to pay that much.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30454142</id>
	<title>Re:as long as you don't care about accuracy</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1260900360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Clearly you don't know how accurate the Wii Sensor is. Any difficulties you have problems with the Wii mote on the Wii are part of poor setups and user error.</p><p>The Wii Mote itself has an excellent sensor built into it, It's just that the sensor bar is terribly concieved. All it does is emit 2 Infrared signals at either end. Generally, this does just fine, but your TV is also emitting heat, the room is warm, etc etc. There are people who do it with 2 candles a foot from both sides of their television screen and get alot more sensativity out of it.</p><p>You make that sensor track 1 item, pretty close to it,and you have an excellent sensor for $40.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Clearly you do n't know how accurate the Wii Sensor is .
Any difficulties you have problems with the Wii mote on the Wii are part of poor setups and user error.The Wii Mote itself has an excellent sensor built into it , It 's just that the sensor bar is terribly concieved .
All it does is emit 2 Infrared signals at either end .
Generally , this does just fine , but your TV is also emitting heat , the room is warm , etc etc .
There are people who do it with 2 candles a foot from both sides of their television screen and get alot more sensativity out of it.You make that sensor track 1 item , pretty close to it,and you have an excellent sensor for $ 40 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clearly you don't know how accurate the Wii Sensor is.
Any difficulties you have problems with the Wii mote on the Wii are part of poor setups and user error.The Wii Mote itself has an excellent sensor built into it, It's just that the sensor bar is terribly concieved.
All it does is emit 2 Infrared signals at either end.
Generally, this does just fine, but your TV is also emitting heat, the room is warm, etc etc.
There are people who do it with 2 candles a foot from both sides of their television screen and get alot more sensativity out of it.You make that sensor track 1 item, pretty close to it,and you have an excellent sensor for $40.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453322</id>
	<title>fun but probably not that accurate</title>
	<author>the stapler</author>
	<datestamp>1260890880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From my hours of research (read play) with a Wiimote, I'd question how accurate the data you'd get from a Wiimote would really be.  Real scientific instruments can gather incredibly detailed data, and tons of it.  I guess you get what you pay for.</htmltext>
<tokenext>From my hours of research ( read play ) with a Wiimote , I 'd question how accurate the data you 'd get from a Wiimote would really be .
Real scientific instruments can gather incredibly detailed data , and tons of it .
I guess you get what you pay for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From my hours of research (read play) with a Wiimote, I'd question how accurate the data you'd get from a Wiimote would really be.
Real scientific instruments can gather incredibly detailed data, and tons of it.
I guess you get what you pay for.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30458036</id>
	<title>Re:It's not about how much it costs to make</title>
	<author>willy\_me</author>
	<datestamp>1259684760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Scientists only pay that much because they are willing to pay that much.</p></div><p>
No, that is not the reason.  It is essential that scientific experiments can be repeated by scientists at other universities.  Because different sensors can take readings differently, that means the equipment used must be readily available to all.  It also requires that a listing of equipment used must be included in any publications that result from the acquired data.  Saying that you captured measurement 'x' with some custom hardware is only acceptable if you had a really good reason for requiring custom hardware.  And in that case, full schematics and firmware code must be provided.
</p><p>
At the end of the day, it is simply much easier to take readings with tools made by established manufacturers.  It is less expensive to buy the horribly overpriced equipment then to develop your own and prove to the scientific community that the results are valid.  Even a simple temperature measurement can be made horribly complex when you have to detail the accuracy and account for external factors such as humidity.  Too much is invested in research to have a year of work questioned as a result of trying to save a couple hundred dollars.
</p><p>
So scientist would love to save money on equipment.  But they are not simply purchasing devices that take measurements - they are purchasing devices that take measurements with known amounts of error.
</p><p>
As it stands, you are probably like me.  It pains me to see people in my office (biologists) spend ridiculous amounts of money on sensors.  I know it would take me less then a day to whip up sensors that perform the same task as the $500 sensors they purchase.  It was only after talking to them about their sensors that I started to understand the reasons why they do it.  They do not pay lots of money simply because they are willing to - it is actually required.
</p></div>
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<tokenext>Scientists only pay that much because they are willing to pay that much .
No , that is not the reason .
It is essential that scientific experiments can be repeated by scientists at other universities .
Because different sensors can take readings differently , that means the equipment used must be readily available to all .
It also requires that a listing of equipment used must be included in any publications that result from the acquired data .
Saying that you captured measurement 'x ' with some custom hardware is only acceptable if you had a really good reason for requiring custom hardware .
And in that case , full schematics and firmware code must be provided .
At the end of the day , it is simply much easier to take readings with tools made by established manufacturers .
It is less expensive to buy the horribly overpriced equipment then to develop your own and prove to the scientific community that the results are valid .
Even a simple temperature measurement can be made horribly complex when you have to detail the accuracy and account for external factors such as humidity .
Too much is invested in research to have a year of work questioned as a result of trying to save a couple hundred dollars .
So scientist would love to save money on equipment .
But they are not simply purchasing devices that take measurements - they are purchasing devices that take measurements with known amounts of error .
As it stands , you are probably like me .
It pains me to see people in my office ( biologists ) spend ridiculous amounts of money on sensors .
I know it would take me less then a day to whip up sensors that perform the same task as the $ 500 sensors they purchase .
It was only after talking to them about their sensors that I started to understand the reasons why they do it .
They do not pay lots of money simply because they are willing to - it is actually required .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Scientists only pay that much because they are willing to pay that much.
No, that is not the reason.
It is essential that scientific experiments can be repeated by scientists at other universities.
Because different sensors can take readings differently, that means the equipment used must be readily available to all.
It also requires that a listing of equipment used must be included in any publications that result from the acquired data.
Saying that you captured measurement 'x' with some custom hardware is only acceptable if you had a really good reason for requiring custom hardware.
And in that case, full schematics and firmware code must be provided.
At the end of the day, it is simply much easier to take readings with tools made by established manufacturers.
It is less expensive to buy the horribly overpriced equipment then to develop your own and prove to the scientific community that the results are valid.
Even a simple temperature measurement can be made horribly complex when you have to detail the accuracy and account for external factors such as humidity.
Too much is invested in research to have a year of work questioned as a result of trying to save a couple hundred dollars.
So scientist would love to save money on equipment.
But they are not simply purchasing devices that take measurements - they are purchasing devices that take measurements with known amounts of error.
As it stands, you are probably like me.
It pains me to see people in my office (biologists) spend ridiculous amounts of money on sensors.
I know it would take me less then a day to whip up sensors that perform the same task as the $500 sensors they purchase.
It was only after talking to them about their sensors that I started to understand the reasons why they do it.
They do not pay lots of money simply because they are willing to - it is actually required.

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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30455304</id>
	<title>That will teach Sony.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259665620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd bet they're thinking now that closing the PS3 wasn't such a great idea after all...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd bet they 're thinking now that closing the PS3 was n't such a great idea after all.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd bet they're thinking now that closing the PS3 wasn't such a great idea after all...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1718254.30453368</id>
	<title>TU1BGIRL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260891300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>the public eye: GNAA on slashdoT, I won't bore you</htmltext>
<tokenext>the public eye : GNAA on slashdoT , I wo n't bore you</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the public eye: GNAA on slashdoT, I won't bore you</sentencetext>
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