<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_15_1453200</id>
	<title>Why Is a Laptop's Battery Dearer Than a Lawnmower's?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1260890340000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Barence writes <i>"<em>PC Pro</em>'s contributing editor Paul Ockendon has bought a new lawnmower powered by lithium-ion batteries &mdash; part of a recent flood of such lithium-ion-powered garden and workshop tools which are taking over from NiCd and NiMH thanks to lighter weight, longer life and lack of the pernicious 'memory effect.' This is pretty much the same battery technology used in laptops, mobile phones and MP3 players, so volume manufacture is already established. Yet <a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/realworld/354151/why-are-laptop-batteries-more-expensive-than-lawnmower-batteries">laptop manufacturers charge more per Watt-hour than lawnmower makers</a>. This blog investigates whether such a seemingly ludicrous situation can be justified."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Barence writes " PC Pro 's contributing editor Paul Ockendon has bought a new lawnmower powered by lithium-ion batteries    part of a recent flood of such lithium-ion-powered garden and workshop tools which are taking over from NiCd and NiMH thanks to lighter weight , longer life and lack of the pernicious 'memory effect .
' This is pretty much the same battery technology used in laptops , mobile phones and MP3 players , so volume manufacture is already established .
Yet laptop manufacturers charge more per Watt-hour than lawnmower makers .
This blog investigates whether such a seemingly ludicrous situation can be justified .
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<sentencetext>Barence writes "PC Pro's contributing editor Paul Ockendon has bought a new lawnmower powered by lithium-ion batteries — part of a recent flood of such lithium-ion-powered garden and workshop tools which are taking over from NiCd and NiMH thanks to lighter weight, longer life and lack of the pernicious 'memory effect.
' This is pretty much the same battery technology used in laptops, mobile phones and MP3 players, so volume manufacture is already established.
Yet laptop manufacturers charge more per Watt-hour than lawnmower makers.
This blog investigates whether such a seemingly ludicrous situation can be justified.
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</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445054</id>
	<title>Energy density</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260896460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's all about energy density per volume (Wh/mL) and mass (Wh/kg)</p><p>My home burglar alarm has a 48 Wh battery that cost $14. And guess what? It's somewhat large and heavy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's all about energy density per volume ( Wh/mL ) and mass ( Wh/kg ) My home burglar alarm has a 48 Wh battery that cost $ 14 .
And guess what ?
It 's somewhat large and heavy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's all about energy density per volume (Wh/mL) and mass (Wh/kg)My home burglar alarm has a 48 Wh battery that cost $14.
And guess what?
It's somewhat large and heavy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30451046</id>
	<title>Not just batteries</title>
	<author>Trogre</author>
	<datestamp>1260876600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why are laptop hard drives more expensive than desktop ones?</p><p>I suspect the answer is the same for both questions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why are laptop hard drives more expensive than desktop ones ? I suspect the answer is the same for both questions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why are laptop hard drives more expensive than desktop ones?I suspect the answer is the same for both questions.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444514</id>
	<title>Explosions.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260894540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When you pack a battery into 1/3 the space you would ideally want it in it has a tendency to explode. The price discrepancy is trying to minimize the likelihood of it literally burning you. A mower has a lot more space for heat dissipation. It's also less likely to cause third-degree burns on the off chance it does overheat, since you don't use it on your lap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you pack a battery into 1/3 the space you would ideally want it in it has a tendency to explode .
The price discrepancy is trying to minimize the likelihood of it literally burning you .
A mower has a lot more space for heat dissipation .
It 's also less likely to cause third-degree burns on the off chance it does overheat , since you do n't use it on your lap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you pack a battery into 1/3 the space you would ideally want it in it has a tendency to explode.
The price discrepancy is trying to minimize the likelihood of it literally burning you.
A mower has a lot more space for heat dissipation.
It's also less likely to cause third-degree burns on the off chance it does overheat, since you don't use it on your lap.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445722</id>
	<title>Compare to other types of Energy...</title>
	<author>geekmux</author>
	<datestamp>1260898740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I ran a gas station, and I was charging you $8/gallon to fill up a certain type of car, I would be accused of many crimes.  I would be fined, thrown in jail, termination of business, or all the above.</p><p>If this were the Electric company charging more on Street A vs. Street B, they would likely suffer the same fate.</p><p>Should battery vendors be overlooked or justify it somehow with weak "Supply and Demand" BS excuses?</p><p>Don't overlook or mistake different types of energy to be "fair".  There's still the same air of greed and corruption behind ANY type of Energy provider, regardless of demand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I ran a gas station , and I was charging you $ 8/gallon to fill up a certain type of car , I would be accused of many crimes .
I would be fined , thrown in jail , termination of business , or all the above.If this were the Electric company charging more on Street A vs. Street B , they would likely suffer the same fate.Should battery vendors be overlooked or justify it somehow with weak " Supply and Demand " BS excuses ? Do n't overlook or mistake different types of energy to be " fair " .
There 's still the same air of greed and corruption behind ANY type of Energy provider , regardless of demand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I ran a gas station, and I was charging you $8/gallon to fill up a certain type of car, I would be accused of many crimes.
I would be fined, thrown in jail, termination of business, or all the above.If this were the Electric company charging more on Street A vs. Street B, they would likely suffer the same fate.Should battery vendors be overlooked or justify it somehow with weak "Supply and Demand" BS excuses?Don't overlook or mistake different types of energy to be "fair".
There's still the same air of greed and corruption behind ANY type of Energy provider, regardless of demand.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444566</id>
	<title>NiMH batteries don't suffer a memory effect</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260894720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's the main reason they replaced nicads in most applications.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory\_effect" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory\_effect</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the main reason they replaced nicads in most applications.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory \ _effect [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the main reason they replaced nicads in most applications.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory\_effect [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445588</id>
	<title>Manufacturing tolerances</title>
	<author>Andy\_R</author>
	<datestamp>1260898320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd hazard a guess that manufacturing tolerances are a cost factor. A 2mm range of variation in battery sizes would probably be unacceptable for a laptop manufacturer, but the lawnmower maker should be able to deal with a much larger variation, as well as a bigger overhead for the casing. It probably costs a lot more to wrap a laptop battery in 1.2mm of accurately made stuff than it does to case a laptop battery in 4-7mm of rough hewn gunk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd hazard a guess that manufacturing tolerances are a cost factor .
A 2mm range of variation in battery sizes would probably be unacceptable for a laptop manufacturer , but the lawnmower maker should be able to deal with a much larger variation , as well as a bigger overhead for the casing .
It probably costs a lot more to wrap a laptop battery in 1.2mm of accurately made stuff than it does to case a laptop battery in 4-7mm of rough hewn gunk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd hazard a guess that manufacturing tolerances are a cost factor.
A 2mm range of variation in battery sizes would probably be unacceptable for a laptop manufacturer, but the lawnmower maker should be able to deal with a much larger variation, as well as a bigger overhead for the casing.
It probably costs a lot more to wrap a laptop battery in 1.2mm of accurately made stuff than it does to case a laptop battery in 4-7mm of rough hewn gunk.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444478</id>
	<title>They charge what they can get away with...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260894360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's the free market. If people are willing to pay $50 for cell phone batteries then that is what you charge, otherwise you're leaving money on the table.</p><p>Look on amazon, you can get cell phone batteries from reputable companies for far, far less.</p><p>And cell phone accessories is an even bigger scam. I wanted another usb cable for my blackberry. From my cell phone company they would charger $30. BestBuy was similar.</p><p>I bought one on amazon for $0.39. Yes, 39 cents for a genuine usb cable (+2.50 shipping). Chargers are $0.99.</p><p>Look, even the genuine stuff comes out of the cheap factories in China, and you're being gouged if you don't shop around.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the free market .
If people are willing to pay $ 50 for cell phone batteries then that is what you charge , otherwise you 're leaving money on the table.Look on amazon , you can get cell phone batteries from reputable companies for far , far less.And cell phone accessories is an even bigger scam .
I wanted another usb cable for my blackberry .
From my cell phone company they would charger $ 30 .
BestBuy was similar.I bought one on amazon for $ 0.39 .
Yes , 39 cents for a genuine usb cable ( + 2.50 shipping ) .
Chargers are $ 0.99.Look , even the genuine stuff comes out of the cheap factories in China , and you 're being gouged if you do n't shop around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the free market.
If people are willing to pay $50 for cell phone batteries then that is what you charge, otherwise you're leaving money on the table.Look on amazon, you can get cell phone batteries from reputable companies for far, far less.And cell phone accessories is an even bigger scam.
I wanted another usb cable for my blackberry.
From my cell phone company they would charger $30.
BestBuy was similar.I bought one on amazon for $0.39.
Yes, 39 cents for a genuine usb cable (+2.50 shipping).
Chargers are $0.99.Look, even the genuine stuff comes out of the cheap factories in China, and you're being gouged if you don't shop around.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444690</id>
	<title>They made cheap lithium-ion batteries for laptops</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260895140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can get cheap lithium-ion batteries for laptops.  Third party knock off brands usually sent straight China.  They don't work as well and in some cases can even cause damage.  If laptop batteries were easy to make the third party market wouldn't be full of bad batteries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can get cheap lithium-ion batteries for laptops .
Third party knock off brands usually sent straight China .
They do n't work as well and in some cases can even cause damage .
If laptop batteries were easy to make the third party market would n't be full of bad batteries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can get cheap lithium-ion batteries for laptops.
Third party knock off brands usually sent straight China.
They don't work as well and in some cases can even cause damage.
If laptop batteries were easy to make the third party market wouldn't be full of bad batteries.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444658</id>
	<title>It's the energy density, people</title>
	<author>Minwee</author>
	<datestamp>1260895020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TFA even goes on to admit that the lawnmower battery weighs three times as much as the VAIO's.  If you want cheap Li-Ion cells that will run your notebook for under half an hour before giving out, that's fine.  Enjoy them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TFA even goes on to admit that the lawnmower battery weighs three times as much as the VAIO 's .
If you want cheap Li-Ion cells that will run your notebook for under half an hour before giving out , that 's fine .
Enjoy them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TFA even goes on to admit that the lawnmower battery weighs three times as much as the VAIO's.
If you want cheap Li-Ion cells that will run your notebook for under half an hour before giving out, that's fine.
Enjoy them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444680</id>
	<title>It's about quality, man</title>
	<author>Rogerborg</author>
	<datestamp>1260895080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're not going to pay top dorrah for a generic Made In China battery for a lawnmower or power tool, but you'll gladly pay a premium for higher quality electrons from a Japanese labeled battery in your iThinkBook.  It's still Made In China, of course, but as long as you don't look <em>too closely</em> at it, you won't feel ripped off.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're not going to pay top dorrah for a generic Made In China battery for a lawnmower or power tool , but you 'll gladly pay a premium for higher quality electrons from a Japanese labeled battery in your iThinkBook .
It 's still Made In China , of course , but as long as you do n't look too closely at it , you wo n't feel ripped off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're not going to pay top dorrah for a generic Made In China battery for a lawnmower or power tool, but you'll gladly pay a premium for higher quality electrons from a Japanese labeled battery in your iThinkBook.
It's still Made In China, of course, but as long as you don't look too closely at it, you won't feel ripped off.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30446118</id>
	<title>It's not like printer ink.  It;'s only 65\%</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1260900060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
It's only 65\% more per watt-hour for the laptop battery.  That's not a big deal.  Laptop batteries have trickier form factors, a lower packaging weight budget, and tougher heat management problems.  It's not like ink-jet printer ink pricing, which is a known scam.
</p><p>
Apple, with their non-replaceable iPod/iPhone batteries, is a much bigger deal.  Now that's a ripoff designed to make customers buy a new unit every two or three years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's only 65 \ % more per watt-hour for the laptop battery .
That 's not a big deal .
Laptop batteries have trickier form factors , a lower packaging weight budget , and tougher heat management problems .
It 's not like ink-jet printer ink pricing , which is a known scam .
Apple , with their non-replaceable iPod/iPhone batteries , is a much bigger deal .
Now that 's a ripoff designed to make customers buy a new unit every two or three years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
It's only 65\% more per watt-hour for the laptop battery.
That's not a big deal.
Laptop batteries have trickier form factors, a lower packaging weight budget, and tougher heat management problems.
It's not like ink-jet printer ink pricing, which is a known scam.
Apple, with their non-replaceable iPod/iPhone batteries, is a much bigger deal.
Now that's a ripoff designed to make customers buy a new unit every two or three years.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444522</id>
	<title>A more important question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260894600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does your lawnmower support 802.11n?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does your lawnmower support 802.11n ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does your lawnmower support 802.11n?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30448822</id>
	<title>Re:Explosions.</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1260910260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The battery in a drill goes right next to your hand and is often held inches above your face when in use. Handheld power tools occasionally get dropped off of a ladder as well.</p><p>Unlike laptop batteries, I've never heard of a drill's battery "venting with flame".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The battery in a drill goes right next to your hand and is often held inches above your face when in use .
Handheld power tools occasionally get dropped off of a ladder as well.Unlike laptop batteries , I 've never heard of a drill 's battery " venting with flame " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The battery in a drill goes right next to your hand and is often held inches above your face when in use.
Handheld power tools occasionally get dropped off of a ladder as well.Unlike laptop batteries, I've never heard of a drill's battery "venting with flame".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444514</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30448640</id>
	<title>Re:Manual Lawnmower!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260909300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Avoids the flex problem, is always charged up, is a lot cheaper to buy and free to run, and as a bonus I get exercise when I cut the lawn! (OK, OK, my <b>*mother*</b> gets exercise when *she* cuts the lawn because I can't be bothered <b>to come out of the basement</b>, but the principle's the same!)</p><p><b>There fixed that for you!</b></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Avoids the flex problem , is always charged up , is a lot cheaper to buy and free to run , and as a bonus I get exercise when I cut the lawn !
( OK , OK , my * mother * gets exercise when * she * cuts the lawn because I ca n't be bothered to come out of the basement , but the principle 's the same !
) There fixed that for you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Avoids the flex problem, is always charged up, is a lot cheaper to buy and free to run, and as a bonus I get exercise when I cut the lawn!
(OK, OK, my *mother* gets exercise when *she* cuts the lawn because I can't be bothered to come out of the basement, but the principle's the same!
)There fixed that for you!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444754</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444706</id>
	<title>Chargers....</title>
	<author>quangdog</author>
	<datestamp>1260895200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does this mean that I can charge my lawnmower with my laptop charger?  Or, better yet, will my laptop charge in a fraction of the time if I use my lawnmower charger on it?
<br> <br>
I realize that the above is ludicrous, but does Joe Sixpack?  How many exploding laptops will we see from some eco-green lawnmower lover trying to implement the above?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this mean that I can charge my lawnmower with my laptop charger ?
Or , better yet , will my laptop charge in a fraction of the time if I use my lawnmower charger on it ?
I realize that the above is ludicrous , but does Joe Sixpack ?
How many exploding laptops will we see from some eco-green lawnmower lover trying to implement the above ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this mean that I can charge my lawnmower with my laptop charger?
Or, better yet, will my laptop charge in a fraction of the time if I use my lawnmower charger on it?
I realize that the above is ludicrous, but does Joe Sixpack?
How many exploding laptops will we see from some eco-green lawnmower lover trying to implement the above?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30446176</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260900240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And I won't even start on text messages and other cell phone baloney. Ranting about that could be a full time job.</p></div><p>Unless you were texting it, in which case you'd need a full time job, just to pay for the texting.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And I wo n't even start on text messages and other cell phone baloney .
Ranting about that could be a full time job.Unless you were texting it , in which case you 'd need a full time job , just to pay for the texting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I won't even start on text messages and other cell phone baloney.
Ranting about that could be a full time job.Unless you were texting it, in which case you'd need a full time job, just to pay for the texting.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445012</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445720</id>
	<title>Battery pricing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260898740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's funny this just came up...</p><p>I bought an ideapad s10 with 6 hour (6 cell) battery from Amazon for $312.  I just remembered about buying a 2nd battery, as my flight to see my in-laws is 10+ hours.  Lenovo wants $39.99.</p><p>I don't think that is unreasonable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's funny this just came up...I bought an ideapad s10 with 6 hour ( 6 cell ) battery from Amazon for $ 312 .
I just remembered about buying a 2nd battery , as my flight to see my in-laws is 10 + hours .
Lenovo wants $ 39.99.I do n't think that is unreasonable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's funny this just came up...I bought an ideapad s10 with 6 hour (6 cell) battery from Amazon for $312.
I just remembered about buying a 2nd battery, as my flight to see my in-laws is 10+ hours.
Lenovo wants $39.99.I don't think that is unreasonable.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445132</id>
	<title>Lack of standards</title>
	<author>RevWaldo</author>
	<datestamp>1260896640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is (fortunately or unfortunately, depending on your POV) no such thing as a standard laptop battery i.e. one size fits many. Therefore you don't get the same economies of scale that may occur if there were, say, only 3-4 different laptop battery sizes, with multiple manufacturers cashing after the market.<br> <br>
I suspect the same thing goes on with power tool batteries but I bet if you cracked open a few designed for different tool brands they'd have many the same components between them, similar to how lantern batteries are basically 4 (crappy) C batteries in series.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is ( fortunately or unfortunately , depending on your POV ) no such thing as a standard laptop battery i.e .
one size fits many .
Therefore you do n't get the same economies of scale that may occur if there were , say , only 3-4 different laptop battery sizes , with multiple manufacturers cashing after the market .
I suspect the same thing goes on with power tool batteries but I bet if you cracked open a few designed for different tool brands they 'd have many the same components between them , similar to how lantern batteries are basically 4 ( crappy ) C batteries in series .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is (fortunately or unfortunately, depending on your POV) no such thing as a standard laptop battery i.e.
one size fits many.
Therefore you don't get the same economies of scale that may occur if there were, say, only 3-4 different laptop battery sizes, with multiple manufacturers cashing after the market.
I suspect the same thing goes on with power tool batteries but I bet if you cracked open a few designed for different tool brands they'd have many the same components between them, similar to how lantern batteries are basically 4 (crappy) C batteries in series.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30446592</id>
	<title>Re:Electric Lawnmower</title>
	<author>happy\_place</author>
	<datestamp>1260901500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>wait. Let me get this straight. You're saying they developed a corded hovercraft? Doesn't that limit the range of the vehicle?</htmltext>
<tokenext>wait .
Let me get this straight .
You 're saying they developed a corded hovercraft ?
Does n't that limit the range of the vehicle ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wait.
Let me get this straight.
You're saying they developed a corded hovercraft?
Doesn't that limit the range of the vehicle?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30450054</id>
	<title>Re:Electric Lawnmower</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1260872700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We've got a plug-in lawn mower and I can tell you that even if you run over the cord intentionally, it doesn't cut it up, since it sits at the ground level, below the top of the grass.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've got a plug-in lawn mower and I can tell you that even if you run over the cord intentionally , it does n't cut it up , since it sits at the ground level , below the top of the grass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've got a plug-in lawn mower and I can tell you that even if you run over the cord intentionally, it doesn't cut it up, since it sits at the ground level, below the top of the grass.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30446690</id>
	<title>Liablility</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260901800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seems to me a lot of the cost difference probably relates to liability.  The manufacturer has to handle lawsuits when the batteries explode, taking out either a $90 lawnmower or a $2000 laptop containing $100000 worth of data.  Seems like the laptop battery manufacturer probably has to pad the price some to handle lawsuits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems to me a lot of the cost difference probably relates to liability .
The manufacturer has to handle lawsuits when the batteries explode , taking out either a $ 90 lawnmower or a $ 2000 laptop containing $ 100000 worth of data .
Seems like the laptop battery manufacturer probably has to pad the price some to handle lawsuits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems to me a lot of the cost difference probably relates to liability.
The manufacturer has to handle lawsuits when the batteries explode, taking out either a $90 lawnmower or a $2000 laptop containing $100000 worth of data.
Seems like the laptop battery manufacturer probably has to pad the price some to handle lawsuits.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445146</id>
	<title>Rebuild it yourself</title>
	<author>ickleberry</author>
	<datestamp>1260896700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Contrary to popular belief, so called proprietary battery packs are actually filled with pretty standard lithium ion cells. These can be purchased on eBay and a variety of other outlets. Even if you can't find the correct size you will find a similar enough model that you can use instead - you might have to solder a few wires but nothing that requires mad skillz.<br> <br>

So next time you have an expensive proprietary battery pack go bad on you, bust it open yourself and put in a few new cells. This is also a service offered by some companies so you can get new batteries for discontinued equipment - much of this equipment is not worth paying someone to rebuild a battery for but for things like satellite phones (such as the Motorola 9500) it is well worth it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Contrary to popular belief , so called proprietary battery packs are actually filled with pretty standard lithium ion cells .
These can be purchased on eBay and a variety of other outlets .
Even if you ca n't find the correct size you will find a similar enough model that you can use instead - you might have to solder a few wires but nothing that requires mad skillz .
So next time you have an expensive proprietary battery pack go bad on you , bust it open yourself and put in a few new cells .
This is also a service offered by some companies so you can get new batteries for discontinued equipment - much of this equipment is not worth paying someone to rebuild a battery for but for things like satellite phones ( such as the Motorola 9500 ) it is well worth it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Contrary to popular belief, so called proprietary battery packs are actually filled with pretty standard lithium ion cells.
These can be purchased on eBay and a variety of other outlets.
Even if you can't find the correct size you will find a similar enough model that you can use instead - you might have to solder a few wires but nothing that requires mad skillz.
So next time you have an expensive proprietary battery pack go bad on you, bust it open yourself and put in a few new cells.
This is also a service offered by some companies so you can get new batteries for discontinued equipment - much of this equipment is not worth paying someone to rebuild a battery for but for things like satellite phones (such as the Motorola 9500) it is well worth it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30447140</id>
	<title>Re:Did You Guys Actually Click To Page 2?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260903120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Without knowing the size of the cells used, and their aH it's hard to say, really.  Odds are, they are cheaper grade Chinese 18650 cells with lower QA/QC standards, and I'd suspect that the pack design and charging circuit are more rudimentary, which reduces costs again.

But, I have had my laptop pack re-stuffed with 2.4 aH cells (9 cell Dell pack) and I paid $4 CDN per cell and a case of beer for the labour, so who knows where the money you spend on a laptop pack really goes.  Sure, pack design is costly... but once you begin the manufacturing process, those costs must go down significantly, correct?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Without knowing the size of the cells used , and their aH it 's hard to say , really .
Odds are , they are cheaper grade Chinese 18650 cells with lower QA/QC standards , and I 'd suspect that the pack design and charging circuit are more rudimentary , which reduces costs again .
But , I have had my laptop pack re-stuffed with 2.4 aH cells ( 9 cell Dell pack ) and I paid $ 4 CDN per cell and a case of beer for the labour , so who knows where the money you spend on a laptop pack really goes .
Sure , pack design is costly... but once you begin the manufacturing process , those costs must go down significantly , correct ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without knowing the size of the cells used, and their aH it's hard to say, really.
Odds are, they are cheaper grade Chinese 18650 cells with lower QA/QC standards, and I'd suspect that the pack design and charging circuit are more rudimentary, which reduces costs again.
But, I have had my laptop pack re-stuffed with 2.4 aH cells (9 cell Dell pack) and I paid $4 CDN per cell and a case of beer for the labour, so who knows where the money you spend on a laptop pack really goes.
Sure, pack design is costly... but once you begin the manufacturing process, those costs must go down significantly, correct?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444754</id>
	<title>Manual Lawnmower!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260895380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Avoids the flex problem, is always charged up, is a lot cheaper to buy and free to run, and as a bonus I get exercise when I cut the lawn! (OK, OK, my *girlfriend* gets exercise when *she* cuts the lawn because I can't be bothered, but the principle's the same!)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Avoids the flex problem , is always charged up , is a lot cheaper to buy and free to run , and as a bonus I get exercise when I cut the lawn !
( OK , OK , my * girlfriend * gets exercise when * she * cuts the lawn because I ca n't be bothered , but the principle 's the same !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Avoids the flex problem, is always charged up, is a lot cheaper to buy and free to run, and as a bonus I get exercise when I cut the lawn!
(OK, OK, my *girlfriend* gets exercise when *she* cuts the lawn because I can't be bothered, but the principle's the same!
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444476</id>
	<title>Current</title>
	<author>captaindynamo</author>
	<datestamp>1260894360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The lawnmower is drawing a much more amperage than the laptop.  You would need a more rugged battery to get the same watt-hours.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The lawnmower is drawing a much more amperage than the laptop .
You would need a more rugged battery to get the same watt-hours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The lawnmower is drawing a much more amperage than the laptop.
You would need a more rugged battery to get the same watt-hours.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445752</id>
	<title>Bad article</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1260898800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Laptop batteries are design differently AND there is a minimum 'entry' cost; Something that impacts it less as the Watt hours increases.</p><p>Yes, getting as much as the market will bear is part of it, but it is more complex then Econ 101.</p><p>They are also designed differently. He touches on in in the article, but then tosses it away with an incorrect conclusion.</p><p>Laptop batteries are designed for continuous power for hours.</p><p>His lawnmower does not run for hours without stopping, neither do his trimmers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Laptop batteries are design differently AND there is a minimum 'entry ' cost ; Something that impacts it less as the Watt hours increases.Yes , getting as much as the market will bear is part of it , but it is more complex then Econ 101.They are also designed differently .
He touches on in in the article , but then tosses it away with an incorrect conclusion.Laptop batteries are designed for continuous power for hours.His lawnmower does not run for hours without stopping , neither do his trimmers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Laptop batteries are design differently AND there is a minimum 'entry' cost; Something that impacts it less as the Watt hours increases.Yes, getting as much as the market will bear is part of it, but it is more complex then Econ 101.They are also designed differently.
He touches on in in the article, but then tosses it away with an incorrect conclusion.Laptop batteries are designed for continuous power for hours.His lawnmower does not run for hours without stopping, neither do his trimmers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30456118</id>
	<title>computer manufacturers screw customers</title>
	<author>ThePadrinoDotCom</author>
	<datestamp>1259673300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why do computer manufacturers screw customers on battery prices? Because They Can

Why we have to have them or do without.

The Padrino Dot Com
<a href="http://www.thepadrino.com/" title="thepadrino.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thepadrino.com/</a> [thepadrino.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do computer manufacturers screw customers on battery prices ?
Because They Can Why we have to have them or do without .
The Padrino Dot Com http : //www.thepadrino.com/ [ thepadrino.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do computer manufacturers screw customers on battery prices?
Because They Can

Why we have to have them or do without.
The Padrino Dot Com
http://www.thepadrino.com/ [thepadrino.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444508</id>
	<title>Heat?</title>
	<author>rekoil</author>
	<datestamp>1260894540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It very well might be that heat dissipation requirements deem that laptop batteries be more efficient (read: latest-generation designs, which invariably will cost more per kWh), where lawnmower batteries can get away with models that throw off more waste heat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It very well might be that heat dissipation requirements deem that laptop batteries be more efficient ( read : latest-generation designs , which invariably will cost more per kWh ) , where lawnmower batteries can get away with models that throw off more waste heat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It very well might be that heat dissipation requirements deem that laptop batteries be more efficient (read: latest-generation designs, which invariably will cost more per kWh), where lawnmower batteries can get away with models that throw off more waste heat.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445210</id>
	<title>Did You Guys Actually Click To Page 2?</title>
	<author>Snap E Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1260897000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The guy from Sony answered it: size, weight, and output differences.  Would someone actually critique that instead of talking about markets, price settings, and conspiracy theories?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The guy from Sony answered it : size , weight , and output differences .
Would someone actually critique that instead of talking about markets , price settings , and conspiracy theories ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The guy from Sony answered it: size, weight, and output differences.
Would someone actually critique that instead of talking about markets, price settings, and conspiracy theories?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30446320</id>
	<title>Capitalism means never having to say you're sorry</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260900720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ludicrous pricing is the name of the game. Just look at the Kindle. The Kindle is priced the same as a netbook, a netbook which could easily be modified to be a reader AND is a general purpose device.</p><p>Any justified pricing there? No. Sales, however are great.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ludicrous pricing is the name of the game .
Just look at the Kindle .
The Kindle is priced the same as a netbook , a netbook which could easily be modified to be a reader AND is a general purpose device.Any justified pricing there ?
No. Sales , however are great .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ludicrous pricing is the name of the game.
Just look at the Kindle.
The Kindle is priced the same as a netbook, a netbook which could easily be modified to be a reader AND is a general purpose device.Any justified pricing there?
No. Sales, however are great.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444544</id>
	<title>radio controlled hobby batteries</title>
	<author>Speare</author>
	<datestamp>1260894660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>
Some of it is chemistry, and some of it is brand name inflation.

Lithium batteries have a range of formulations.  The lowest-cost formulations are suitable for low-amperage discharge, while better formulations can be discharged at a much higher current and still maintain a cool temperature and good recharge longevity.  Heat is the real enemy here, so cramped cooling-starved long-running applications like laptops also demand better batteries than a weed-whacker that runs occasionally and has a chance of good airflow.

In the radio-controlled hobby, there is a huge range of prices for essentially commodity batteries.  These are usually Lithium-Polymer, a step above the usual laptop Li-Ion, but the same economics are in play.  There are some "well known names" that are sold in all of the domestic R/C retailers.  There are some generics sold in Hong Kong that sell for 1/3 to 1/5 the price, and some are even higher quality in longevity testing.  Lithium is lithium, so unless there's an amazing return/warranty policy, it's usually not worth the brand name price.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some of it is chemistry , and some of it is brand name inflation .
Lithium batteries have a range of formulations .
The lowest-cost formulations are suitable for low-amperage discharge , while better formulations can be discharged at a much higher current and still maintain a cool temperature and good recharge longevity .
Heat is the real enemy here , so cramped cooling-starved long-running applications like laptops also demand better batteries than a weed-whacker that runs occasionally and has a chance of good airflow .
In the radio-controlled hobby , there is a huge range of prices for essentially commodity batteries .
These are usually Lithium-Polymer , a step above the usual laptop Li-Ion , but the same economics are in play .
There are some " well known names " that are sold in all of the domestic R/C retailers .
There are some generics sold in Hong Kong that sell for 1/3 to 1/5 the price , and some are even higher quality in longevity testing .
Lithium is lithium , so unless there 's an amazing return/warranty policy , it 's usually not worth the brand name price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Some of it is chemistry, and some of it is brand name inflation.
Lithium batteries have a range of formulations.
The lowest-cost formulations are suitable for low-amperage discharge, while better formulations can be discharged at a much higher current and still maintain a cool temperature and good recharge longevity.
Heat is the real enemy here, so cramped cooling-starved long-running applications like laptops also demand better batteries than a weed-whacker that runs occasionally and has a chance of good airflow.
In the radio-controlled hobby, there is a huge range of prices for essentially commodity batteries.
These are usually Lithium-Polymer, a step above the usual laptop Li-Ion, but the same economics are in play.
There are some "well known names" that are sold in all of the domestic R/C retailers.
There are some generics sold in Hong Kong that sell for 1/3 to 1/5 the price, and some are even higher quality in longevity testing.
Lithium is lithium, so unless there's an amazing return/warranty policy, it's usually not worth the brand name price.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444924</id>
	<title>Reason</title>
	<author>KiwiCanuck</author>
	<datestamp>1260895980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because they need to prove that an electric mower is at least as good as a gas version (adoption). Also, laptop batteries would be cheaper if you could buy a gas powered laptop.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because they need to prove that an electric mower is at least as good as a gas version ( adoption ) .
Also , laptop batteries would be cheaper if you could buy a gas powered laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because they need to prove that an electric mower is at least as good as a gas version (adoption).
Also, laptop batteries would be cheaper if you could buy a gas powered laptop.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30453502</id>
	<title>Re:Smaller is usually more expensive.</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1260893100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Small + Good = Expensive. Eva Longoria, Tesla, Laptops.</p></div></blockquote><p>

The EeePC and Thai Women invalidate your theory.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Small + Good = Expensive .
Eva Longoria , Tesla , Laptops .
The EeePC and Thai Women invalidate your theory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Small + Good = Expensive.
Eva Longoria, Tesla, Laptops.
The EeePC and Thai Women invalidate your theory.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444960</id>
	<title>duh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260896100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>why is a laptop dearer than a lawnmower?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>why is a laptop dearer than a lawnmower ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why is a laptop dearer than a lawnmower?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30452484</id>
	<title>Re:you all are idiots</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260884340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Listen asshole there is little to no difference in the batteries. Spare us the ranting uninformed dummy spit</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Listen asshole there is little to no difference in the batteries .
Spare us the ranting uninformed dummy spit</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Listen asshole there is little to no difference in the batteries.
Spare us the ranting uninformed dummy spit</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30446838</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444520</id>
	<title>More importantly, who wins in a fight?</title>
	<author>isThisNameAvailable</author>
	<datestamp>1260894600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Will the laptop battery last long enough to hack into and disable the lawnmower's systems before the lawnmower can run it over and make lithium confetti?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Will the laptop battery last long enough to hack into and disable the lawnmower 's systems before the lawnmower can run it over and make lithium confetti ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will the laptop battery last long enough to hack into and disable the lawnmower's systems before the lawnmower can run it over and make lithium confetti?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445440</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>Corporate Troll</author>
	<datestamp>1260897840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I wanted to buy a second wall charger for my laptop, but they were charging $75 for it.</p></div></blockquote><p>I damaged the adapter of my Asus EEE. I really had a hard time finding somewhere to get a new one.  I didn't trust anything that was on eBay.  Most seem to be powersellers from China, and I've already been bitten once by those.</p><p>After searching, really, really, long I found <a href="http://www.duracelldirect.co.uk/" title="duracelldirect.co.uk" rel="nofollow">Duracell Direct</a> [duracelldirect.co.uk] and found the prices acceptable (even though higher than the eBay ones).  The adapter works fine, and if I ever need a replacement battery for laptops and/or cameras, I know where to go.</p><p>(Not affiliated to them, just a happy customer)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wanted to buy a second wall charger for my laptop , but they were charging $ 75 for it.I damaged the adapter of my Asus EEE .
I really had a hard time finding somewhere to get a new one .
I did n't trust anything that was on eBay .
Most seem to be powersellers from China , and I 've already been bitten once by those.After searching , really , really , long I found Duracell Direct [ duracelldirect.co.uk ] and found the prices acceptable ( even though higher than the eBay ones ) .
The adapter works fine , and if I ever need a replacement battery for laptops and/or cameras , I know where to go .
( Not affiliated to them , just a happy customer )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wanted to buy a second wall charger for my laptop, but they were charging $75 for it.I damaged the adapter of my Asus EEE.
I really had a hard time finding somewhere to get a new one.
I didn't trust anything that was on eBay.
Most seem to be powersellers from China, and I've already been bitten once by those.After searching, really, really, long I found Duracell Direct [duracelldirect.co.uk] and found the prices acceptable (even though higher than the eBay ones).
The adapter works fine, and if I ever need a replacement battery for laptops and/or cameras, I know where to go.
(Not affiliated to them, just a happy customer)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445012</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445486</id>
	<title>Re:Electric Lawnmower</title>
	<author>Rob the Bold</author>
	<datestamp>1260898020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I really like the idea of a battery powered lawnmower, as opposed to the electric lawnmower I had as a kid back in the 70s. My parents were foolish enough to think I could use it without running over the cord... boy did I prove them wrong.</p></div><p>Battery powered lawnmowers are certainly more flexible than corded electrics.  No running over the cord, no getting wrapped around a tree or lampost like a tetherball.</p><p>However, there is a strategy for using the corded mower:  The corded mower usually had the pushbar hinged in the middle, and it could be flipped over to push the mower the other direction.  The idea was you started out close to the power outlet with the cord loosely coiled on the ground like a rope.  Then you start mowing back and forth (as the ox plows) normal to the direction the cord is feeding, flipping the handle at the end of the row and mowing the next row, always pulling the cord behind you as you work away from the power source.  Some lawns are more suitable to this approach than others.  I cannot figure out why this particular design was abandoned for the fixed handle like you find on a gas mower, the flippy-handled mower was a really great idea.  My grandmother mowed her little yard with one of these up until her 90th year.</p><p>IMHO, the ultimate in corded electric mower development was a "hovercraft" design.  A friend of mine who is a collector of lawnmowers has one of these <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flymo" title="wikipedia.org">babies.</a> [wikipedia.org] </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I really like the idea of a battery powered lawnmower , as opposed to the electric lawnmower I had as a kid back in the 70s .
My parents were foolish enough to think I could use it without running over the cord... boy did I prove them wrong.Battery powered lawnmowers are certainly more flexible than corded electrics .
No running over the cord , no getting wrapped around a tree or lampost like a tetherball.However , there is a strategy for using the corded mower : The corded mower usually had the pushbar hinged in the middle , and it could be flipped over to push the mower the other direction .
The idea was you started out close to the power outlet with the cord loosely coiled on the ground like a rope .
Then you start mowing back and forth ( as the ox plows ) normal to the direction the cord is feeding , flipping the handle at the end of the row and mowing the next row , always pulling the cord behind you as you work away from the power source .
Some lawns are more suitable to this approach than others .
I can not figure out why this particular design was abandoned for the fixed handle like you find on a gas mower , the flippy-handled mower was a really great idea .
My grandmother mowed her little yard with one of these up until her 90th year.IMHO , the ultimate in corded electric mower development was a " hovercraft " design .
A friend of mine who is a collector of lawnmowers has one of these babies .
[ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really like the idea of a battery powered lawnmower, as opposed to the electric lawnmower I had as a kid back in the 70s.
My parents were foolish enough to think I could use it without running over the cord... boy did I prove them wrong.Battery powered lawnmowers are certainly more flexible than corded electrics.
No running over the cord, no getting wrapped around a tree or lampost like a tetherball.However, there is a strategy for using the corded mower:  The corded mower usually had the pushbar hinged in the middle, and it could be flipped over to push the mower the other direction.
The idea was you started out close to the power outlet with the cord loosely coiled on the ground like a rope.
Then you start mowing back and forth (as the ox plows) normal to the direction the cord is feeding, flipping the handle at the end of the row and mowing the next row, always pulling the cord behind you as you work away from the power source.
Some lawns are more suitable to this approach than others.
I cannot figure out why this particular design was abandoned for the fixed handle like you find on a gas mower, the flippy-handled mower was a really great idea.
My grandmother mowed her little yard with one of these up until her 90th year.IMHO, the ultimate in corded electric mower development was a "hovercraft" design.
A friend of mine who is a collector of lawnmowers has one of these babies.
[wikipedia.org] 
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30454822</id>
	<title>Re:Ben says</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1259700060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Expectations are such that consumers are willing to pay more for non-essential "gadgets" in relation to "tools". A person will buy a $2000 dollar laptop but wouldn't dream of buying a $2000 push mower (outside of premium or elite marketing).</p></div><p>That's an odd statement, because for most modern people, a laptop is a much more essential tool than a lawnmower. How many people outside the suburbs even have lawns? Even if you do have one, you could just pay someone to mow the lawn.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Expectations are such that consumers are willing to pay more for non-essential " gadgets " in relation to " tools " .
A person will buy a $ 2000 dollar laptop but would n't dream of buying a $ 2000 push mower ( outside of premium or elite marketing ) .That 's an odd statement , because for most modern people , a laptop is a much more essential tool than a lawnmower .
How many people outside the suburbs even have lawns ?
Even if you do have one , you could just pay someone to mow the lawn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Expectations are such that consumers are willing to pay more for non-essential "gadgets" in relation to "tools".
A person will buy a $2000 dollar laptop but wouldn't dream of buying a $2000 push mower (outside of premium or elite marketing).That's an odd statement, because for most modern people, a laptop is a much more essential tool than a lawnmower.
How many people outside the suburbs even have lawns?
Even if you do have one, you could just pay someone to mow the lawn.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30450306</id>
	<title>Re:Some AA-ish Li cells in a plastic pack...</title>
	<author>Pentium100</author>
	<datestamp>1260873600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unless the chip detects the increase in capacity and decides to block the charging and tell the laptop that the battery is bad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless the chip detects the increase in capacity and decides to block the charging and tell the laptop that the battery is bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless the chip detects the increase in capacity and decides to block the charging and tell the laptop that the battery is bad.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30453586</id>
	<title>Re:Manual Lawnmower!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260894060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All you need now is a manual laptop!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All you need now is a manual laptop !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All you need now is a manual laptop!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445012</id>
	<title>Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260896280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of all the ridiculously priced items out there, why did he pick these batteries? Batteries for laptops need to be smaller, lighter, and more careful about heat dissipation than those in a lawnmower. The 66\% premium sounds about right, just like the premium one has to pay for the rest of a laptop compared to a big old desktop PC.</p><p>If he wants to rant about prices, how about laptop accessories? I wanted to buy a second wall charger for my laptop, but they were charging $75 for it. What about the price of any cable or charger sold at chain stores? Radio Shack, who used to sell packs of resistors to me for 50 cents, wanted me to pay $25 for a USB cable. It's as if they want me to buy everything <a href="http://monoprice.com/" title="monoprice.com">online</a> [monoprice.com].</p><p>And I won't even start on text messages and other cell phone baloney. Ranting about that could be a full time job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of all the ridiculously priced items out there , why did he pick these batteries ?
Batteries for laptops need to be smaller , lighter , and more careful about heat dissipation than those in a lawnmower .
The 66 \ % premium sounds about right , just like the premium one has to pay for the rest of a laptop compared to a big old desktop PC.If he wants to rant about prices , how about laptop accessories ?
I wanted to buy a second wall charger for my laptop , but they were charging $ 75 for it .
What about the price of any cable or charger sold at chain stores ?
Radio Shack , who used to sell packs of resistors to me for 50 cents , wanted me to pay $ 25 for a USB cable .
It 's as if they want me to buy everything online [ monoprice.com ] .And I wo n't even start on text messages and other cell phone baloney .
Ranting about that could be a full time job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of all the ridiculously priced items out there, why did he pick these batteries?
Batteries for laptops need to be smaller, lighter, and more careful about heat dissipation than those in a lawnmower.
The 66\% premium sounds about right, just like the premium one has to pay for the rest of a laptop compared to a big old desktop PC.If he wants to rant about prices, how about laptop accessories?
I wanted to buy a second wall charger for my laptop, but they were charging $75 for it.
What about the price of any cable or charger sold at chain stores?
Radio Shack, who used to sell packs of resistors to me for 50 cents, wanted me to pay $25 for a USB cable.
It's as if they want me to buy everything online [monoprice.com].And I won't even start on text messages and other cell phone baloney.
Ranting about that could be a full time job.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30448406</id>
	<title>Re:Manual Lawnmower!</title>
	<author>gauauu</author>
	<datestamp>1260908220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Avoids the flex problem, is always charged up, is a lot cheaper to buy and free to run, and as a bonus I get exercise when I cut the lawn! (OK, OK, my *girlfriend* gets exercise when *she* cuts the lawn because I can't be bothered, but the principle's the same!)</i></p><p>I dunno, I had one of these.  The reason I got rid of it and got a powered mower:<br>1.  The blade was only about 1/2 as wide as the cutting area of a powered mower.  This meant the yard took about twice as many trips to cut.</p><p>2.  It took about twice as much effort to push as a regular mower.  This would be ok, except combined with #1, meant a LOT more effort.</p><p>3.  The manual one worked fine when the grass was dry and relatively short.  If the grass got longer (when I was on vacation) or was slightly damp, it wouldn't work well.  It also wouldn't properly cut many weeds.  Dandelions, in particular, would just have their heads removed, leaving the tall stalk.</p><p>I loved the idea, but in practice, the noise, mess, and expense of a powered mower was absolutely worth it for me.</p><p>(Bringing this almost back to topic, I want a crank-powered laptop!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Avoids the flex problem , is always charged up , is a lot cheaper to buy and free to run , and as a bonus I get exercise when I cut the lawn !
( OK , OK , my * girlfriend * gets exercise when * she * cuts the lawn because I ca n't be bothered , but the principle 's the same !
) I dunno , I had one of these .
The reason I got rid of it and got a powered mower : 1 .
The blade was only about 1/2 as wide as the cutting area of a powered mower .
This meant the yard took about twice as many trips to cut.2 .
It took about twice as much effort to push as a regular mower .
This would be ok , except combined with # 1 , meant a LOT more effort.3 .
The manual one worked fine when the grass was dry and relatively short .
If the grass got longer ( when I was on vacation ) or was slightly damp , it would n't work well .
It also would n't properly cut many weeds .
Dandelions , in particular , would just have their heads removed , leaving the tall stalk.I loved the idea , but in practice , the noise , mess , and expense of a powered mower was absolutely worth it for me .
( Bringing this almost back to topic , I want a crank-powered laptop !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Avoids the flex problem, is always charged up, is a lot cheaper to buy and free to run, and as a bonus I get exercise when I cut the lawn!
(OK, OK, my *girlfriend* gets exercise when *she* cuts the lawn because I can't be bothered, but the principle's the same!
)I dunno, I had one of these.
The reason I got rid of it and got a powered mower:1.
The blade was only about 1/2 as wide as the cutting area of a powered mower.
This meant the yard took about twice as many trips to cut.2.
It took about twice as much effort to push as a regular mower.
This would be ok, except combined with #1, meant a LOT more effort.3.
The manual one worked fine when the grass was dry and relatively short.
If the grass got longer (when I was on vacation) or was slightly damp, it wouldn't work well.
It also wouldn't properly cut many weeds.
Dandelions, in particular, would just have their heads removed, leaving the tall stalk.I loved the idea, but in practice, the noise, mess, and expense of a powered mower was absolutely worth it for me.
(Bringing this almost back to topic, I want a crank-powered laptop!
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444498</id>
	<title>Electric Lawnmower</title>
	<author>happy\_place</author>
	<datestamp>1260894480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I really like the idea of a battery powered lawnmower, as opposed to the electric lawnmower I had as a kid back in the 70s. My parents were foolish enough to think I could use it without running over the cord... boy did I prove them wrong.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I really like the idea of a battery powered lawnmower , as opposed to the electric lawnmower I had as a kid back in the 70s .
My parents were foolish enough to think I could use it without running over the cord... boy did I prove them wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really like the idea of a battery powered lawnmower, as opposed to the electric lawnmower I had as a kid back in the 70s.
My parents were foolish enough to think I could use it without running over the cord... boy did I prove them wrong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30452854</id>
	<title>Who needs batteries?</title>
	<author>GrahamCox</author>
	<datestamp>1260886980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've just had a BRILLIANT idea! Since you have to move the mower across the lawn to get to the next patch of grass to be cut, you could link up its wheels to drive the blades. You'd probably want to gear it so that the blades spun faster relative to the wheels, and maybe a more efficient blade design would be needed, such as, say, forming the blades into a cylinder rather than a "fan" shape, a bit like a combine harvester. Small and light, it would need no power other than someone pushing it along. I think I'm onto a winner here! Remember folks, you heard about it here first.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've just had a BRILLIANT idea !
Since you have to move the mower across the lawn to get to the next patch of grass to be cut , you could link up its wheels to drive the blades .
You 'd probably want to gear it so that the blades spun faster relative to the wheels , and maybe a more efficient blade design would be needed , such as , say , forming the blades into a cylinder rather than a " fan " shape , a bit like a combine harvester .
Small and light , it would need no power other than someone pushing it along .
I think I 'm onto a winner here !
Remember folks , you heard about it here first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've just had a BRILLIANT idea!
Since you have to move the mower across the lawn to get to the next patch of grass to be cut, you could link up its wheels to drive the blades.
You'd probably want to gear it so that the blades spun faster relative to the wheels, and maybe a more efficient blade design would be needed, such as, say, forming the blades into a cylinder rather than a "fan" shape, a bit like a combine harvester.
Small and light, it would need no power other than someone pushing it along.
I think I'm onto a winner here!
Remember folks, you heard about it here first.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444888</id>
	<title>Actually...</title>
	<author>Kozar\_The\_Malignant</author>
	<datestamp>1260895860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's because you can pull-start a lawnmower, so you don't really <b>need</b> a battery.  As soon as we have Briggs &amp; Stratton powered laptops, the batteries will be dirt cheap.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's because you can pull-start a lawnmower , so you do n't really need a battery .
As soon as we have Briggs &amp; Stratton powered laptops , the batteries will be dirt cheap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's because you can pull-start a lawnmower, so you don't really need a battery.
As soon as we have Briggs &amp; Stratton powered laptops, the batteries will be dirt cheap.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444402</id>
	<title>Well that's easy...</title>
	<author>Firemouth</author>
	<datestamp>1260893940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Greed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Greed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Greed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445984</id>
	<title>Re:Smaller is usually more expensive.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260899580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>True for laptops, laptop batteries, cars, women.</i></p><p>I don't think that applies to women.</p><p>If you ask a guy or a girl the price of big boobs, they'd both agree the cost is often prohibitive.</p><p>The same applies to big girls.  If the rumour that fat girls are easy is true, then they should cost less on a per-date basis, yes?  It's possible they actually cost more on a daily basis (care and feeding of a spouse, for example), but I'd like to think that if they're happy to swallow anything they put into their mouth (another rumour), that would more than make up for the extra cost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>True for laptops , laptop batteries , cars , women.I do n't think that applies to women.If you ask a guy or a girl the price of big boobs , they 'd both agree the cost is often prohibitive.The same applies to big girls .
If the rumour that fat girls are easy is true , then they should cost less on a per-date basis , yes ?
It 's possible they actually cost more on a daily basis ( care and feeding of a spouse , for example ) , but I 'd like to think that if they 're happy to swallow anything they put into their mouth ( another rumour ) , that would more than make up for the extra cost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True for laptops, laptop batteries, cars, women.I don't think that applies to women.If you ask a guy or a girl the price of big boobs, they'd both agree the cost is often prohibitive.The same applies to big girls.
If the rumour that fat girls are easy is true, then they should cost less on a per-date basis, yes?
It's possible they actually cost more on a daily basis (care and feeding of a spouse, for example), but I'd like to think that if they're happy to swallow anything they put into their mouth (another rumour), that would more than make up for the extra cost.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444618</id>
	<title>ink cartridges too</title>
	<author>G3ckoG33k</author>
	<datestamp>1260894900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>ink cartridges too</htmltext>
<tokenext>ink cartridges too</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ink cartridges too</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30448208</id>
	<title>Re:Ben says</title>
	<author>Trepidity</author>
	<datestamp>1260907380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you forget half of classical economics? Prices are set by an intersection on the supply/demand curve, not by the demand curve alone. And if there is a large profit margin (gap between production cost and market price), it ought to attract more supply, driving down price (the vaunted "invisible hand").</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you forget half of classical economics ?
Prices are set by an intersection on the supply/demand curve , not by the demand curve alone .
And if there is a large profit margin ( gap between production cost and market price ) , it ought to attract more supply , driving down price ( the vaunted " invisible hand " ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you forget half of classical economics?
Prices are set by an intersection on the supply/demand curve, not by the demand curve alone.
And if there is a large profit margin (gap between production cost and market price), it ought to attract more supply, driving down price (the vaunted "invisible hand").</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444726</id>
	<title>Re:Electric Lawnmower</title>
	<author>Hey\_bob</author>
	<datestamp>1260895260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had similar ideas, and was mighty pleased at the prospect of not having to mow the lawn anymore.  Silly me for not realizing that dad would just repair the cord and send me back on my way.</p><p>I had my revenge later.. seemed the motor didn't fair so well on particularly tall and thick grass.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had similar ideas , and was mighty pleased at the prospect of not having to mow the lawn anymore .
Silly me for not realizing that dad would just repair the cord and send me back on my way.I had my revenge later.. seemed the motor did n't fair so well on particularly tall and thick grass .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had similar ideas, and was mighty pleased at the prospect of not having to mow the lawn anymore.
Silly me for not realizing that dad would just repair the cord and send me back on my way.I had my revenge later.. seemed the motor didn't fair so well on particularly tall and thick grass.
:-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445474</id>
	<title>Almost as bad as text messaging.</title>
	<author>IWaSBoRG</author>
	<datestamp>1260898020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Super expensive laptop batteries have always bothered me.

If you've ever taken one apart you know whats inside them.  A bunch of AA cells strung together in series.  Thats it.  They're not top of the line Energizer or Duracell either, they are the cheapest of the cheap AA lithium ion cells mass produced in china or japan or where ever is cheapest at the moment.  They are worth no more than $5 in total.  Its appalling how much these companies charge for trash.

This isn't to say all companies use such shit.  There are a few that custom make their own batteries for better performance and size.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Super expensive laptop batteries have always bothered me .
If you 've ever taken one apart you know whats inside them .
A bunch of AA cells strung together in series .
Thats it .
They 're not top of the line Energizer or Duracell either , they are the cheapest of the cheap AA lithium ion cells mass produced in china or japan or where ever is cheapest at the moment .
They are worth no more than $ 5 in total .
Its appalling how much these companies charge for trash .
This is n't to say all companies use such shit .
There are a few that custom make their own batteries for better performance and size .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Super expensive laptop batteries have always bothered me.
If you've ever taken one apart you know whats inside them.
A bunch of AA cells strung together in series.
Thats it.
They're not top of the line Energizer or Duracell either, they are the cheapest of the cheap AA lithium ion cells mass produced in china or japan or where ever is cheapest at the moment.
They are worth no more than $5 in total.
Its appalling how much these companies charge for trash.
This isn't to say all companies use such shit.
There are a few that custom make their own batteries for better performance and size.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30453134</id>
	<title>Re:They made cheap lithium-ion batteries for lapto</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260889320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Third party knock off brands usually sent straight China.</p></div><p>So, what you are saying is they are made by the same guys making the OEM battery for your laptop (but without the OEM sticker on it)?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>They don't work as well and in some cases can even cause damage.</p></div><p>Oh, yes, you <i>are</i> saying they are made by the same guys, because that sounds like <a href="http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2006/09/7858.ars" title="arstechnica.com" rel="nofollow">Sony batteries</a> [arstechnica.com] to me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Third party knock off brands usually sent straight China.So , what you are saying is they are made by the same guys making the OEM battery for your laptop ( but without the OEM sticker on it ) ? They do n't work as well and in some cases can even cause damage.Oh , yes , you are saying they are made by the same guys , because that sounds like Sony batteries [ arstechnica.com ] to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Third party knock off brands usually sent straight China.So, what you are saying is they are made by the same guys making the OEM battery for your laptop (but without the OEM sticker on it)?They don't work as well and in some cases can even cause damage.Oh, yes, you are saying they are made by the same guys, because that sounds like Sony batteries [arstechnica.com] to me.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445204</id>
	<title>moot point</title>
	<author>Lawrence\_Bird</author>
	<datestamp>1260896940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The world will be out of lithium soon enough</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The world will be out of lithium soon enough</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The world will be out of lithium soon enough</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444672</id>
	<title>Regulatory Requirements?</title>
	<author>wh1pp3t</author>
	<datestamp>1260895080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am only guessing here as to why -- no sources and no research.
<p>
I am assuming there is more regulation and licencing required on electronic devices than power tools. Hence stricter requirements, increased labor to bring to market and liability concerns.
<br>
OR perhaps the cost of the cell used in laptops is higher from the battery manufacturer (he didn't mention individual cell size).
</p><p>
Of course, the other option is companies trying to make a few extra dollars/pounds/yen/etc. However, the author of TFA seemed to be on more of a rant than a research mission.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am only guessing here as to why -- no sources and no research .
I am assuming there is more regulation and licencing required on electronic devices than power tools .
Hence stricter requirements , increased labor to bring to market and liability concerns .
OR perhaps the cost of the cell used in laptops is higher from the battery manufacturer ( he did n't mention individual cell size ) .
Of course , the other option is companies trying to make a few extra dollars/pounds/yen/etc .
However , the author of TFA seemed to be on more of a rant than a research mission .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am only guessing here as to why -- no sources and no research.
I am assuming there is more regulation and licencing required on electronic devices than power tools.
Hence stricter requirements, increased labor to bring to market and liability concerns.
OR perhaps the cost of the cell used in laptops is higher from the battery manufacturer (he didn't mention individual cell size).
Of course, the other option is companies trying to make a few extra dollars/pounds/yen/etc.
However, the author of TFA seemed to be on more of a rant than a research mission.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30449938</id>
	<title>Re:Electric Lawnmower</title>
	<author>Carnildo</author>
	<datestamp>1260872220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A fixed-handle mower is easier to make and stronger.  We had one of the flip-handle mowers.  It needed to be repaired every year or so, and every single time, the failure was related to the flip mechanism.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A fixed-handle mower is easier to make and stronger .
We had one of the flip-handle mowers .
It needed to be repaired every year or so , and every single time , the failure was related to the flip mechanism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A fixed-handle mower is easier to make and stronger.
We had one of the flip-handle mowers.
It needed to be repaired every year or so, and every single time, the failure was related to the flip mechanism.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445486</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445582</id>
	<title>Wow</title>
	<author>idji</author>
	<datestamp>1260898320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lithium + Lawnmower + Vibration = beautiful fireworks i think.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lithium + Lawnmower + Vibration = beautiful fireworks i think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lithium + Lawnmower + Vibration = beautiful fireworks i think.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30446122</id>
	<title>His prices are insane</title>
	<author>RzUpAnmsCwrds</author>
	<datestamp>1260900060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&pound;220 ($357) for a laptop battery is insane. Even my high-priced 7-cell (60 Wh) ThinkPad T61 battery was $130, or about &pound;1.30/Wh at today's exchange rates - right in line with his lawnmower battery figures.</p><p>I'm not saying that laptop batteries aren't ridiculously expensive - they are. But they aren't as bad as the story makes them out to be, at least not in the US.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>  220 ( $ 357 ) for a laptop battery is insane .
Even my high-priced 7-cell ( 60 Wh ) ThinkPad T61 battery was $ 130 , or about   1.30/Wh at today 's exchange rates - right in line with his lawnmower battery figures.I 'm not saying that laptop batteries are n't ridiculously expensive - they are .
But they are n't as bad as the story makes them out to be , at least not in the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>£220 ($357) for a laptop battery is insane.
Even my high-priced 7-cell (60 Wh) ThinkPad T61 battery was $130, or about £1.30/Wh at today's exchange rates - right in line with his lawnmower battery figures.I'm not saying that laptop batteries aren't ridiculously expensive - they are.
But they aren't as bad as the story makes them out to be, at least not in the US.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30447726</id>
	<title>NOT form factor / size / shape / voltage.</title>
	<author>GuyFawkes</author>
	<datestamp>1260905460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>99.9\% of all laptop li-on batteries are made up from individual 3.3 VDC 18650 cells, 18mm diameter, 65 mm long.</p><p>Ipods and phone are made with prismatic li-on batteries.</p><p>the 18650 Li-on cell is the D cell of the li-on world.</p><p>Panasonic and Moli used to be the world's biggest manufacturers.</p><p>I used the buy new, bare, 18650 li-on cells for less than 2 bucks each, to rebuild laptop batteries with.</p><p>Generic li-on laptop batteries are available at the factory gates in china for around a buck per 175 mAh</p><p>HTH etc</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>99.9 \ % of all laptop li-on batteries are made up from individual 3.3 VDC 18650 cells , 18mm diameter , 65 mm long.Ipods and phone are made with prismatic li-on batteries.the 18650 Li-on cell is the D cell of the li-on world.Panasonic and Moli used to be the world 's biggest manufacturers.I used the buy new , bare , 18650 li-on cells for less than 2 bucks each , to rebuild laptop batteries with.Generic li-on laptop batteries are available at the factory gates in china for around a buck per 175 mAhHTH etc</tokentext>
<sentencetext>99.9\% of all laptop li-on batteries are made up from individual 3.3 VDC 18650 cells, 18mm diameter, 65 mm long.Ipods and phone are made with prismatic li-on batteries.the 18650 Li-on cell is the D cell of the li-on world.Panasonic and Moli used to be the world's biggest manufacturers.I used the buy new, bare, 18650 li-on cells for less than 2 bucks each, to rebuild laptop batteries with.Generic li-on laptop batteries are available at the factory gates in china for around a buck per 175 mAhHTH etc</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444920</id>
	<title>Why original laptop batteries</title>
	<author>Zorpheus</author>
	<datestamp>1260895980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can buy Sony batteries for GBP220 or you can buy chinese batteries for like GBP40.
On my IBM laptop my chinese batteries are working fine for 3 years now, and they still have nearly full capacity.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can buy Sony batteries for GBP220 or you can buy chinese batteries for like GBP40 .
On my IBM laptop my chinese batteries are working fine for 3 years now , and they still have nearly full capacity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can buy Sony batteries for GBP220 or you can buy chinese batteries for like GBP40.
On my IBM laptop my chinese batteries are working fine for 3 years now, and they still have nearly full capacity.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30446838</id>
	<title>you all are idiots</title>
	<author>sydres</author>
	<datestamp>1260902220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>with the insults aside the real reason lies in the fact that a lawnmower is not a laptop a laptop is made up of many extremely delicate components requiring strict tolerances in power output, a lawnmower is made up of brute force motors and rugged circuitry variations in power are not much a concern. so drop the greed/capitalism corporations sticking it to us nonsense and use the brains that God/Allah/ evolution or whomever gave you</htmltext>
<tokenext>with the insults aside the real reason lies in the fact that a lawnmower is not a laptop a laptop is made up of many extremely delicate components requiring strict tolerances in power output , a lawnmower is made up of brute force motors and rugged circuitry variations in power are not much a concern .
so drop the greed/capitalism corporations sticking it to us nonsense and use the brains that God/Allah/ evolution or whomever gave you</tokentext>
<sentencetext>with the insults aside the real reason lies in the fact that a lawnmower is not a laptop a laptop is made up of many extremely delicate components requiring strict tolerances in power output, a lawnmower is made up of brute force motors and rugged circuitry variations in power are not much a concern.
so drop the greed/capitalism corporations sticking it to us nonsense and use the brains that God/Allah/ evolution or whomever gave you</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445648</id>
	<title>Pff. He thinks that&rsquo;s bad?!</title>
	<author>clone53421</author>
	<datestamp>1260898500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA, summarizing:</p><blockquote><div><ul> <li>Ryobi power / garden tool replacement battery: &pound;1.16/Wh</li><li>Bosch Rotak 43LI lawnmower battery: &pound;1.50/Wh</li><li>Sony VAIO TT laptop battery: &pound;2.50/Wh</li></ul></div> </blockquote><p>Whiner. A <a href="http://store.kodak.com/store/ekconsus/en\_US/pd/Li-Ion\_Digital\_Camera\_Battery\_KLIC-8000/baseProductID.145063900/productID.145064000" title="kodak.com">Kodak KLIC-8000 lithium-ion digital camera battery</a> [kodak.com] comes out to <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=29.95+dollars+\%2F+(3+volts+*+1780+milliampere+hours)+in+(GBP\%2Fwatt+hours)&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=&amp;aqi=" title="google.com">&pound;3.46 / watt hour</a> [google.com].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA , summarizing : Ryobi power / garden tool replacement battery :   1.16/WhBosch Rotak 43LI lawnmower battery :   1.50/WhSony VAIO TT laptop battery :   2.50/Wh Whiner .
A Kodak KLIC-8000 lithium-ion digital camera battery [ kodak.com ] comes out to   3.46 / watt hour [ google.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA, summarizing: Ryobi power / garden tool replacement battery: £1.16/WhBosch Rotak 43LI lawnmower battery: £1.50/WhSony VAIO TT laptop battery: £2.50/Wh Whiner.
A Kodak KLIC-8000 lithium-ion digital camera battery [kodak.com] comes out to £3.46 / watt hour [google.com].
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444906</id>
	<title>Safety Regulations</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260895920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Laptop batteries are required to meet very strict safety guidelines.  I'll bet that lawn mower batteries have very few safety guidelines... which makes sense... a laptop battery exploding is much more likely to hurt someone than a lawn mower battery.  All that testing and all those extra safety measures add up to increased cost.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Laptop batteries are required to meet very strict safety guidelines .
I 'll bet that lawn mower batteries have very few safety guidelines... which makes sense... a laptop battery exploding is much more likely to hurt someone than a lawn mower battery .
All that testing and all those extra safety measures add up to increased cost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Laptop batteries are required to meet very strict safety guidelines.
I'll bet that lawn mower batteries have very few safety guidelines... which makes sense... a laptop battery exploding is much more likely to hurt someone than a lawn mower battery.
All that testing and all those extra safety measures add up to increased cost.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444642</id>
	<title>Some AA-ish Li cells in a plastic pack...</title>
	<author>rAiNsT0rm</author>
	<datestamp>1260894960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Basically the only thing on newer laptops is that there is actual circuitry inside of the battery pack now, but it is all very basic and couldn't cost more than a dollar or two at best. I used to work at Radioshack in college (I know, I know, but I was actually intelligent and truly helpful... not a drone) and I once replaced the cells in my Thinkpad 600 right there on the counter with the Li cells we sold... Everyone was amazed that, that was all that was inside of there. People always seem to think because it has to do with a computer it must be magical and exotic. Basically as long as you know how to properly solder them without killing yourself (the ones with tabs help) it's a 5-10 minute job and cost about $10-15.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Basically the only thing on newer laptops is that there is actual circuitry inside of the battery pack now , but it is all very basic and could n't cost more than a dollar or two at best .
I used to work at Radioshack in college ( I know , I know , but I was actually intelligent and truly helpful... not a drone ) and I once replaced the cells in my Thinkpad 600 right there on the counter with the Li cells we sold... Everyone was amazed that , that was all that was inside of there .
People always seem to think because it has to do with a computer it must be magical and exotic .
Basically as long as you know how to properly solder them without killing yourself ( the ones with tabs help ) it 's a 5-10 minute job and cost about $ 10-15 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Basically the only thing on newer laptops is that there is actual circuitry inside of the battery pack now, but it is all very basic and couldn't cost more than a dollar or two at best.
I used to work at Radioshack in college (I know, I know, but I was actually intelligent and truly helpful... not a drone) and I once replaced the cells in my Thinkpad 600 right there on the counter with the Li cells we sold... Everyone was amazed that, that was all that was inside of there.
People always seem to think because it has to do with a computer it must be magical and exotic.
Basically as long as you know how to properly solder them without killing yourself (the ones with tabs help) it's a 5-10 minute job and cost about $10-15.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444738</id>
	<title>Willingness to pay</title>
	<author>captaindomon</author>
	<datestamp>1260895320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Come on, folks. We all need to learn some basic business concepts. This question, in a different form, comes up every few days.

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willingness\_to\_pay" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willingness\_to\_pay</a> [wikipedia.org]

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demand\_curve" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demand\_curve</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Come on , folks .
We all need to learn some basic business concepts .
This question , in a different form , comes up every few days .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willingness \ _to \ _pay [ wikipedia.org ] http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demand \ _curve [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come on, folks.
We all need to learn some basic business concepts.
This question, in a different form, comes up every few days.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willingness\_to\_pay [wikipedia.org]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demand\_curve [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444700</id>
	<title>Tolerances</title>
	<author>LordKazan</author>
	<datestamp>1260895140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's not forget that laptop batteries probably have higher quality requirements for smooth power delivery, low heat emission during use, etc when compared to lawn mower batteries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's not forget that laptop batteries probably have higher quality requirements for smooth power delivery , low heat emission during use , etc when compared to lawn mower batteries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's not forget that laptop batteries probably have higher quality requirements for smooth power delivery, low heat emission during use, etc when compared to lawn mower batteries.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30448180</id>
	<title>Re:Manual Lawnmower!</title>
	<author>gbarules2999</author>
	<datestamp>1260907260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mod parent -1 Liar. If he had a girlfriend he'd know that it's utterly impossible to convince a member of the fairer sex to mow the lawn.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mod parent -1 Liar .
If he had a girlfriend he 'd know that it 's utterly impossible to convince a member of the fairer sex to mow the lawn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mod parent -1 Liar.
If he had a girlfriend he'd know that it's utterly impossible to convince a member of the fairer sex to mow the lawn.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444754</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444694</id>
	<title>Printers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260895140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While you are at it, why not trying to understand why the printer's inks are so expensive?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While you are at it , why not trying to understand why the printer 's inks are so expensive ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While you are at it, why not trying to understand why the printer's inks are so expensive?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444826</id>
	<title>Re:ink cartridges too</title>
	<author>imakemusic</author>
	<datestamp>1260895620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah, I'd always wondered how they get that striped effect on football pitches!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , I 'd always wondered how they get that striped effect on football pitches !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, I'd always wondered how they get that striped effect on football pitches!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444618</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445534</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260898140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He picked it because it was prompted by the lawnmower. Says right there in the summary, never mind the OP *rolles eyes*.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He picked it because it was prompted by the lawnmower .
Says right there in the summary , never mind the OP * rolles eyes * .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He picked it because it was prompted by the lawnmower.
Says right there in the summary, never mind the OP *rolles eyes*.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445012</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30446450</id>
	<title>because they can get away with it</title>
	<author>jollyreaper</author>
	<datestamp>1260901140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why does an ipod/phone sync cable go for $1 to $3.99 online but $20 or more in the store? Because if you're going to the store, you probably need the cable now, can't wait. Bend over and take it, bitch. Capitalism. Apologists will say it's a convenience fee for providing the store, helpful employees, etc. This is the same reason why a TV or printer will sell for damn near cost but the cable to connect them to something useful will be $20 to $100. You don't think about buying the cable before the television (unless you've been burned before) and who wants to get the nice and shiny TV home only to wait a few days for delivery?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does an ipod/phone sync cable go for $ 1 to $ 3.99 online but $ 20 or more in the store ?
Because if you 're going to the store , you probably need the cable now , ca n't wait .
Bend over and take it , bitch .
Capitalism. Apologists will say it 's a convenience fee for providing the store , helpful employees , etc .
This is the same reason why a TV or printer will sell for damn near cost but the cable to connect them to something useful will be $ 20 to $ 100 .
You do n't think about buying the cable before the television ( unless you 've been burned before ) and who wants to get the nice and shiny TV home only to wait a few days for delivery ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does an ipod/phone sync cable go for $1 to $3.99 online but $20 or more in the store?
Because if you're going to the store, you probably need the cable now, can't wait.
Bend over and take it, bitch.
Capitalism. Apologists will say it's a convenience fee for providing the store, helpful employees, etc.
This is the same reason why a TV or printer will sell for damn near cost but the cable to connect them to something useful will be $20 to $100.
You don't think about buying the cable before the television (unless you've been burned before) and who wants to get the nice and shiny TV home only to wait a few days for delivery?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445524</id>
	<title>Re:Manual Lawnmower!</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1260898140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just don't accidentally run over the power source like the electric cord in GP.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just do n't accidentally run over the power source like the electric cord in GP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just don't accidentally run over the power source like the electric cord in GP.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444754</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445102</id>
	<title>Power DENSITY not watt hours</title>
	<author>scharkalvin</author>
	<datestamp>1260896580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's the power density not the watt hours that make the price difference.  In other words it's the watt/hours per kg that matters.  Laptop batteries are not as dense (heavy) as power tool batteries, their power density is higher (more watt/hours per kg) than power tool batteries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the power density not the watt hours that make the price difference .
In other words it 's the watt/hours per kg that matters .
Laptop batteries are not as dense ( heavy ) as power tool batteries , their power density is higher ( more watt/hours per kg ) than power tool batteries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the power density not the watt hours that make the price difference.
In other words it's the watt/hours per kg that matters.
Laptop batteries are not as dense (heavy) as power tool batteries, their power density is higher (more watt/hours per kg) than power tool batteries.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30448992</id>
	<title>Robomow</title>
	<author>Kupfernigk</author>
	<datestamp>1260867900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I very much like the idea of a battery powered robot lawnmower, as the kids have left home and therefore I would otherwise have to mow the lawn myself.<p>It worries the dog when it backs it into a corner, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I very much like the idea of a battery powered robot lawnmower , as the kids have left home and therefore I would otherwise have to mow the lawn myself.It worries the dog when it backs it into a corner , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I very much like the idea of a battery powered robot lawnmower, as the kids have left home and therefore I would otherwise have to mow the lawn myself.It worries the dog when it backs it into a corner, though.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444498</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445200</id>
	<title>Exactly! (And more)</title>
	<author>denzacar</author>
	<datestamp>1260896940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA:</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...David Sapaeth, a product specialist at Sony VAIO Europe, sent me the following prepared statement:</p><p>"VAIO does use lithium-ion batteries in the majority of its laptops, but they differ from those used in power tools in a number of ways.</p><p>"Power tools typically require a high power output, but for very short periods of time only (long enough to drill a hole, tighten a screw, saw a board and so on). Then they pause again at zero output until the next task. Notebooks require a stable output for hours in a row.</p><p>"If we look at the batteries of a power drill for example, they're ten times heavier than a notebook battery. Notebook batteries are extremely condensed in terms of cells. If we were to use the same cells as power tools in a notebook with the continuous power demand, the cells would likely melt!"</p></div><p>Also, author of TFA is apparently purposefully trying to be an idiot. Which can happen when you start your rant based on a faulty premise.</p><p>First he acknowledges the problems NiCd and NiMH batteries have, then he ignores it - because that would prove his rant is simply a product of uninformed reasoning.<br>In other words - he has no fucking idea what's he talking about.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm grateful for David's response, and he raises some interesting points, but I'm not sure I accept all of them. David claims power tool batteries don't need to deliver continuous power, but that's exactly what the batteries in my Bosch mower do (and my Ryobi strimmer and hedge cutter).</p><p>And these power tool batteries deliver such continuous power at much higher currents - the mower runs flat in about 40 minutes while the similar capacity VAIO battery has six to eight hours, and I've used my mower and strimmer without ever seeing their batteries melt down.</p></div><p>No, Paul baby, it is not that your lawn mower's battery delivers continuous power at higher currents - it is the fact that your laptop uses far less power at much lower currents.<br>And you don't see your battery melt down BECAUSE... well... what parent post said.</p><p>Also, he apparently thinks that when you buy a battery you buy electricity.<br>Ummm... No. You are buying PORTABILITY. Not watt-hours but grams, cubic centimeters AND watt-hours.</p><p>That is why it would cost a fortune to replace a car battery with a pile of iPod batteries.</p></div>
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<tokenext>From TFA : ...David Sapaeth , a product specialist at Sony VAIO Europe , sent me the following prepared statement : " VAIO does use lithium-ion batteries in the majority of its laptops , but they differ from those used in power tools in a number of ways .
" Power tools typically require a high power output , but for very short periods of time only ( long enough to drill a hole , tighten a screw , saw a board and so on ) .
Then they pause again at zero output until the next task .
Notebooks require a stable output for hours in a row .
" If we look at the batteries of a power drill for example , they 're ten times heavier than a notebook battery .
Notebook batteries are extremely condensed in terms of cells .
If we were to use the same cells as power tools in a notebook with the continuous power demand , the cells would likely melt !
" Also , author of TFA is apparently purposefully trying to be an idiot .
Which can happen when you start your rant based on a faulty premise.First he acknowledges the problems NiCd and NiMH batteries have , then he ignores it - because that would prove his rant is simply a product of uninformed reasoning.In other words - he has no fucking idea what 's he talking about.I 'm grateful for David 's response , and he raises some interesting points , but I 'm not sure I accept all of them .
David claims power tool batteries do n't need to deliver continuous power , but that 's exactly what the batteries in my Bosch mower do ( and my Ryobi strimmer and hedge cutter ) .And these power tool batteries deliver such continuous power at much higher currents - the mower runs flat in about 40 minutes while the similar capacity VAIO battery has six to eight hours , and I 've used my mower and strimmer without ever seeing their batteries melt down.No , Paul baby , it is not that your lawn mower 's battery delivers continuous power at higher currents - it is the fact that your laptop uses far less power at much lower currents.And you do n't see your battery melt down BECAUSE... well... what parent post said.Also , he apparently thinks that when you buy a battery you buy electricity.Ummm... No. You are buying PORTABILITY .
Not watt-hours but grams , cubic centimeters AND watt-hours.That is why it would cost a fortune to replace a car battery with a pile of iPod batteries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA: ...David Sapaeth, a product specialist at Sony VAIO Europe, sent me the following prepared statement:"VAIO does use lithium-ion batteries in the majority of its laptops, but they differ from those used in power tools in a number of ways.
"Power tools typically require a high power output, but for very short periods of time only (long enough to drill a hole, tighten a screw, saw a board and so on).
Then they pause again at zero output until the next task.
Notebooks require a stable output for hours in a row.
"If we look at the batteries of a power drill for example, they're ten times heavier than a notebook battery.
Notebook batteries are extremely condensed in terms of cells.
If we were to use the same cells as power tools in a notebook with the continuous power demand, the cells would likely melt!
"Also, author of TFA is apparently purposefully trying to be an idiot.
Which can happen when you start your rant based on a faulty premise.First he acknowledges the problems NiCd and NiMH batteries have, then he ignores it - because that would prove his rant is simply a product of uninformed reasoning.In other words - he has no fucking idea what's he talking about.I'm grateful for David's response, and he raises some interesting points, but I'm not sure I accept all of them.
David claims power tool batteries don't need to deliver continuous power, but that's exactly what the batteries in my Bosch mower do (and my Ryobi strimmer and hedge cutter).And these power tool batteries deliver such continuous power at much higher currents - the mower runs flat in about 40 minutes while the similar capacity VAIO battery has six to eight hours, and I've used my mower and strimmer without ever seeing their batteries melt down.No, Paul baby, it is not that your lawn mower's battery delivers continuous power at higher currents - it is the fact that your laptop uses far less power at much lower currents.And you don't see your battery melt down BECAUSE... well... what parent post said.Also, he apparently thinks that when you buy a battery you buy electricity.Ummm... No. You are buying PORTABILITY.
Not watt-hours but grams, cubic centimeters AND watt-hours.That is why it would cost a fortune to replace a car battery with a pile of iPod batteries.
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	<title>Re:radio controlled hobby batteries</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260900000000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I certainly agree with that, the main difference is energy density and QA/QC controls.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I certainly agree with that , the main difference is energy density and QA/QC controls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I certainly agree with that, the main difference is energy density and QA/QC controls.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30444492</id>
	<title>Price Fixing?</title>
	<author>odin84gk</author>
	<datestamp>1260894420000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>We have seen it before, so I wouldn't be surprised.<br><a href="http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/12/12/0114248/860-Million-In-Fines-Handed-Out-For-LCD-Price-Fixing?art\_pos=1" title="slashdot.org">http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/12/12/0114248/860-Million-In-Fines-Handed-Out-For-LCD-Price-Fixing?art\_pos=1</a> [slashdot.org]<br><a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/story/05/04/22/1850250/RAM-Manufacturers-Fined-for-Price-Fixing?art\_pos=4" title="slashdot.org">http://tech.slashdot.org/story/05/04/22/1850250/RAM-Manufacturers-Fined-for-Price-Fixing?art\_pos=4</a> [slashdot.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have seen it before , so I would n't be surprised.http : //hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/12/12/0114248/860-Million-In-Fines-Handed-Out-For-LCD-Price-Fixing ? art \ _pos = 1 [ slashdot.org ] http : //tech.slashdot.org/story/05/04/22/1850250/RAM-Manufacturers-Fined-for-Price-Fixing ? art \ _pos = 4 [ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have seen it before, so I wouldn't be surprised.http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/12/12/0114248/860-Million-In-Fines-Handed-Out-For-LCD-Price-Fixing?art\_pos=1 [slashdot.org]http://tech.slashdot.org/story/05/04/22/1850250/RAM-Manufacturers-Fined-for-Price-Fixing?art\_pos=4 [slashdot.org]</sentencetext>
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	<title>In other news...</title>
	<author>Waffle Iron</author>
	<datestamp>1260896100000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>... the same bottle of beer is almost an order of magnitude cheaper at your local beverage mart than at an upscale night club. How can that be?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... the same bottle of beer is almost an order of magnitude cheaper at your local beverage mart than at an upscale night club .
How can that be ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... the same bottle of beer is almost an order of magnitude cheaper at your local beverage mart than at an upscale night club.
How can that be?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30446278</id>
	<title>Re:Ben says</title>
	<author>rgviza</author>
	<datestamp>1260900540000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Economics 101: The market is driven by expectations</p><p>If people expect and are willing to pay the price, they will pay the price. Why should they lower prices on an item if people are still buying it?</p><p>The problems start when the manufacturers collude and fix prices. That's illegal <a href="http://business-law.freeadvice.com/trade\_regulation/price\_fixing.htm" title="freeadvice.com">http://business-law.freeadvice.com/trade\_regulation/price\_fixing.htm</a> [freeadvice.com]</p><p>The reason manufacturers spec a different battery than everyone else is so they can fix prices without collusion, sidestepping the price fixing laws altogether.</p><p>Laptop battery form factors and interfaces would be a good candidate for regulatory action which required standardization. It could be framed as a environmental necessity since if a particular laptop doesn't sell at all, and they have a crap ton of spare batteries to dispose of which only work in that laptop, they created a bunch of environmental impact for FAIL.</p><p>It's also a gigantic opportunity for someone to create a set of standardized batteries, then make adapters for each laptop which adjust voltage down or up as necessary, and have capability to adjust the charging to the standard battery's liking.</p><p>The pricing issues are caused by a lack of competition. Such a business would be future proof since as new battery technology matures, and the old batteries wear out, they could sell new standardized batteries that fit in the old adapters. Extrapolate to camcorders, cameras and everything else that uses proprietary battery form factors.</p><p>There's a ton of money to be made here if you could make it work and handle fulfillment. I have several devices packed in boxes which I won't get a new battery for. In a lot of cases the batteries cost more than the original item did.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Economics 101 : The market is driven by expectationsIf people expect and are willing to pay the price , they will pay the price .
Why should they lower prices on an item if people are still buying it ? The problems start when the manufacturers collude and fix prices .
That 's illegal http : //business-law.freeadvice.com/trade \ _regulation/price \ _fixing.htm [ freeadvice.com ] The reason manufacturers spec a different battery than everyone else is so they can fix prices without collusion , sidestepping the price fixing laws altogether.Laptop battery form factors and interfaces would be a good candidate for regulatory action which required standardization .
It could be framed as a environmental necessity since if a particular laptop does n't sell at all , and they have a crap ton of spare batteries to dispose of which only work in that laptop , they created a bunch of environmental impact for FAIL.It 's also a gigantic opportunity for someone to create a set of standardized batteries , then make adapters for each laptop which adjust voltage down or up as necessary , and have capability to adjust the charging to the standard battery 's liking.The pricing issues are caused by a lack of competition .
Such a business would be future proof since as new battery technology matures , and the old batteries wear out , they could sell new standardized batteries that fit in the old adapters .
Extrapolate to camcorders , cameras and everything else that uses proprietary battery form factors.There 's a ton of money to be made here if you could make it work and handle fulfillment .
I have several devices packed in boxes which I wo n't get a new battery for .
In a lot of cases the batteries cost more than the original item did .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Economics 101: The market is driven by expectationsIf people expect and are willing to pay the price, they will pay the price.
Why should they lower prices on an item if people are still buying it?The problems start when the manufacturers collude and fix prices.
That's illegal http://business-law.freeadvice.com/trade\_regulation/price\_fixing.htm [freeadvice.com]The reason manufacturers spec a different battery than everyone else is so they can fix prices without collusion, sidestepping the price fixing laws altogether.Laptop battery form factors and interfaces would be a good candidate for regulatory action which required standardization.
It could be framed as a environmental necessity since if a particular laptop doesn't sell at all, and they have a crap ton of spare batteries to dispose of which only work in that laptop, they created a bunch of environmental impact for FAIL.It's also a gigantic opportunity for someone to create a set of standardized batteries, then make adapters for each laptop which adjust voltage down or up as necessary, and have capability to adjust the charging to the standard battery's liking.The pricing issues are caused by a lack of competition.
Such a business would be future proof since as new battery technology matures, and the old batteries wear out, they could sell new standardized batteries that fit in the old adapters.
Extrapolate to camcorders, cameras and everything else that uses proprietary battery form factors.There's a ton of money to be made here if you could make it work and handle fulfillment.
I have several devices packed in boxes which I won't get a new battery for.
In a lot of cases the batteries cost more than the original item did.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Profit margins</title>
	<author>MobyDisk</author>
	<datestamp>1260896520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>What are the profit margins on lawnmowers and lawnmower accessories?  Gross margins on laptops are around 10\%.  Compare that to things like clothes, furniture, and food which might be 100\% or 1000\%.  Often times electronics retailers profit only from the accessories like batteries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What are the profit margins on lawnmowers and lawnmower accessories ?
Gross margins on laptops are around 10 \ % .
Compare that to things like clothes , furniture , and food which might be 100 \ % or 1000 \ % .
Often times electronics retailers profit only from the accessories like batteries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What are the profit margins on lawnmowers and lawnmower accessories?
Gross margins on laptops are around 10\%.
Compare that to things like clothes, furniture, and food which might be 100\% or 1000\%.
Often times electronics retailers profit only from the accessories like batteries.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Ben says</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1260910440000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Isn't a healthy market supposed to drive price towards the marginal cost?</p><p>Sure, the battery is "techie" and "computer related", but the market will still prefer the $40 laptop battery over the $100 laptop battery of the same capacity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't a healthy market supposed to drive price towards the marginal cost ? Sure , the battery is " techie " and " computer related " , but the market will still prefer the $ 40 laptop battery over the $ 100 laptop battery of the same capacity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't a healthy market supposed to drive price towards the marginal cost?Sure, the battery is "techie" and "computer related", but the market will still prefer the $40 laptop battery over the $100 laptop battery of the same capacity.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_15_1453200.30445458</id>
	<title>Smaller is usually more expensive.</title>
	<author>rickb928</author>
	<datestamp>1260897900000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>True for laptops, laptop batteries, cars, women.</p><p>With exceptions that prove the rule.</p><p>Small + Good = Expensive.  Eva Longoria, Tesla, Laptops.</p><p>Small + Cheap != Good.  Geo Metro only example needed.</p><p>Feel free to feel offended.  Way it is.</p><p>There is the possibility that lawnmowers are just cheaper in some other way, but I'm betting it's about making small batteries fit interesting spaces.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>True for laptops , laptop batteries , cars , women.With exceptions that prove the rule.Small + Good = Expensive .
Eva Longoria , Tesla , Laptops.Small + Cheap ! = Good .
Geo Metro only example needed.Feel free to feel offended .
Way it is.There is the possibility that lawnmowers are just cheaper in some other way , but I 'm betting it 's about making small batteries fit interesting spaces .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True for laptops, laptop batteries, cars, women.With exceptions that prove the rule.Small + Good = Expensive.
Eva Longoria, Tesla, Laptops.Small + Cheap != Good.
Geo Metro only example needed.Feel free to feel offended.
Way it is.There is the possibility that lawnmowers are just cheaper in some other way, but I'm betting it's about making small batteries fit interesting spaces.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Ben says</title>
	<author>kenp2002</author>
	<datestamp>1260894840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>"The cost of goods is what the market will bear.." It cost that much because people will pay that much. Expectations are such that consumers are willing to pay more for non-essential "gadgets" in relation to "tools". A person will buy a $2000 dollar laptop but wouldn't dream of buying a $2000 push mower (outside of premium or elite marketing).</p><p>Perception of a product influences price. A battery for a laptop is "techie, electronic, computer related" while a battery for you kid's eleectric car is a "consumable, toy, non-essential" and a battery for a lawnmower is "utlility, get-it-done, tool" in perception.</p><p>Those perception influence product pricing. There is no conventional "miniturization" in Lithium batteries per say that you have to pay a higher costs to shrink the battery, it seems more driven by natural market dynamics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The cost of goods is what the market will bear.. " It cost that much because people will pay that much .
Expectations are such that consumers are willing to pay more for non-essential " gadgets " in relation to " tools " .
A person will buy a $ 2000 dollar laptop but would n't dream of buying a $ 2000 push mower ( outside of premium or elite marketing ) .Perception of a product influences price .
A battery for a laptop is " techie , electronic , computer related " while a battery for you kid 's eleectric car is a " consumable , toy , non-essential " and a battery for a lawnmower is " utlility , get-it-done , tool " in perception.Those perception influence product pricing .
There is no conventional " miniturization " in Lithium batteries per say that you have to pay a higher costs to shrink the battery , it seems more driven by natural market dynamics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The cost of goods is what the market will bear.." It cost that much because people will pay that much.
Expectations are such that consumers are willing to pay more for non-essential "gadgets" in relation to "tools".
A person will buy a $2000 dollar laptop but wouldn't dream of buying a $2000 push mower (outside of premium or elite marketing).Perception of a product influences price.
A battery for a laptop is "techie, electronic, computer related" while a battery for you kid's eleectric car is a "consumable, toy, non-essential" and a battery for a lawnmower is "utlility, get-it-done, tool" in perception.Those perception influence product pricing.
There is no conventional "miniturization" in Lithium batteries per say that you have to pay a higher costs to shrink the battery, it seems more driven by natural market dynamics.</sentencetext>
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