<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_14_1431248</id>
	<title>Building a Global Cyber Police Force</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1260804000000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>dasButcher writes <i>"One of the biggest obstacles to fighting hackers and cyber-criminals is that many operate in the safe harbors of their home countries, insulated from prosecution by authorities in foreign countries where their targets reside. As Larry Walsh writes in his blog, several security vendors and a growing number of countries are now beginning to consider the <a href="http://blogs.channelinsider.com/secure\_channel/content/governance\_and\_regulatory\_compliance/globalizing\_the\_fight\_against\_a\_hostile\_internet.html">creation of a global police force</a> that would have trans-border jurisdiction to investigate and arrest suspected hackers."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>dasButcher writes " One of the biggest obstacles to fighting hackers and cyber-criminals is that many operate in the safe harbors of their home countries , insulated from prosecution by authorities in foreign countries where their targets reside .
As Larry Walsh writes in his blog , several security vendors and a growing number of countries are now beginning to consider the creation of a global police force that would have trans-border jurisdiction to investigate and arrest suspected hackers .
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<sentencetext>dasButcher writes "One of the biggest obstacles to fighting hackers and cyber-criminals is that many operate in the safe harbors of their home countries, insulated from prosecution by authorities in foreign countries where their targets reside.
As Larry Walsh writes in his blog, several security vendors and a growing number of countries are now beginning to consider the creation of a global police force that would have trans-border jurisdiction to investigate and arrest suspected hackers.
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</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431704</id>
	<title>Send in the drones?</title>
	<author>wytcld</author>
	<datestamp>1260809340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On the one hand malicious hackers should be killed. On the other, many of the most capable of them are believed to be closely tied to the Russian and Chinese (and Nigerian) governments, encouraged for both their ability to bring in monies, and for cooperation in state cyber-espionage goals. So the only usable model for international intervention may be the one currently used against Qaida in Pakistan - sending in American drones. Except Russia and China (and Nigeria) have rather more use for their hackers than the current Pakistani government has for its Qaida/Taliban ops centers. So they might just be a little touchy about drones taking out buildings in their big cities.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On the one hand malicious hackers should be killed .
On the other , many of the most capable of them are believed to be closely tied to the Russian and Chinese ( and Nigerian ) governments , encouraged for both their ability to bring in monies , and for cooperation in state cyber-espionage goals .
So the only usable model for international intervention may be the one currently used against Qaida in Pakistan - sending in American drones .
Except Russia and China ( and Nigeria ) have rather more use for their hackers than the current Pakistani government has for its Qaida/Taliban ops centers .
So they might just be a little touchy about drones taking out buildings in their big cities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the one hand malicious hackers should be killed.
On the other, many of the most capable of them are believed to be closely tied to the Russian and Chinese (and Nigerian) governments, encouraged for both their ability to bring in monies, and for cooperation in state cyber-espionage goals.
So the only usable model for international intervention may be the one currently used against Qaida in Pakistan - sending in American drones.
Except Russia and China (and Nigeria) have rather more use for their hackers than the current Pakistani government has for its Qaida/Taliban ops centers.
So they might just be a little touchy about drones taking out buildings in their big cities.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30432480</id>
	<title>Re:This sounds like wishful thinking</title>
	<author>gedw99</author>
	<datestamp>1260813060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please. They use trade agreement force sign up.</p><p>"Legislate these treaties into your law, or you cant trade with use ! "</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please .
They use trade agreement force sign up .
" Legislate these treaties into your law , or you cant trade with use !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please.
They use trade agreement force sign up.
"Legislate these treaties into your law, or you cant trade with use !
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431288</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431354</id>
	<title>Once the arrests are made...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260808020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>who will prosecute the suspects? A criminal trial is expensive and ends up importing criminals to whichever nation chooses to prosecute. That's the reason that the Somali pirates get turned loose. A similar situation would arise for trans-border cyber crime. Everyone would hope that someone else would prosecute.</htmltext>
<tokenext>who will prosecute the suspects ?
A criminal trial is expensive and ends up importing criminals to whichever nation chooses to prosecute .
That 's the reason that the Somali pirates get turned loose .
A similar situation would arise for trans-border cyber crime .
Everyone would hope that someone else would prosecute .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>who will prosecute the suspects?
A criminal trial is expensive and ends up importing criminals to whichever nation chooses to prosecute.
That's the reason that the Somali pirates get turned loose.
A similar situation would arise for trans-border cyber crime.
Everyone would hope that someone else would prosecute.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30432248</id>
	<title>The next awesome novel...</title>
	<author>JayPee</author>
	<datestamp>1260812040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This sounds like the next super awesome Tom Clancy novel.  John Clark will be all cyborged out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds like the next super awesome Tom Clancy novel .
John Clark will be all cyborged out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds like the next super awesome Tom Clancy novel.
John Clark will be all cyborged out.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431516</id>
	<title>Outrageous</title>
	<author>The Bringer</author>
	<datestamp>1260808740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A global law enforcement agency just serves to usurp the rights of a nations citizens by rendering a nations laws harmless. While this may be in the best interest of large corporations, it is most certainly not in the best interest of the majority of internet users. This system will be abused, taken advantage of, and otherwise misrepresented to back the agendas and interests of organizations. Should this actually happen, which I highly doubt, I see a lot of innocent individuals getting crucified by this agency.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A global law enforcement agency just serves to usurp the rights of a nations citizens by rendering a nations laws harmless .
While this may be in the best interest of large corporations , it is most certainly not in the best interest of the majority of internet users .
This system will be abused , taken advantage of , and otherwise misrepresented to back the agendas and interests of organizations .
Should this actually happen , which I highly doubt , I see a lot of innocent individuals getting crucified by this agency .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A global law enforcement agency just serves to usurp the rights of a nations citizens by rendering a nations laws harmless.
While this may be in the best interest of large corporations, it is most certainly not in the best interest of the majority of internet users.
This system will be abused, taken advantage of, and otherwise misrepresented to back the agendas and interests of organizations.
Should this actually happen, which I highly doubt, I see a lot of innocent individuals getting crucified by this agency.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30432146</id>
	<title>Why re-create the wheel?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260811500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have a global police force: interpol.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have a global police force : interpol .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have a global police force: interpol.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431344</id>
	<title>Interpol</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260807960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wouldn't that be Interpol? Sounds too much like big brother when someone asks for a police force that already exists.  The bigger problem with hackers is they are hard to find regardless of which country they are in.  Sure Iranian Hackers are harder to catch but with their bandwidth are they really a threat?  Do we need yet another redundant police force?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't that be Interpol ?
Sounds too much like big brother when someone asks for a police force that already exists .
The bigger problem with hackers is they are hard to find regardless of which country they are in .
Sure Iranian Hackers are harder to catch but with their bandwidth are they really a threat ?
Do we need yet another redundant police force ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't that be Interpol?
Sounds too much like big brother when someone asks for a police force that already exists.
The bigger problem with hackers is they are hard to find regardless of which country they are in.
Sure Iranian Hackers are harder to catch but with their bandwidth are they really a threat?
Do we need yet another redundant police force?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30441684</id>
	<title>Re:This sounds like wishful thinking</title>
	<author>moonshine1948</author>
	<datestamp>1260870720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I foresee this running into a lot of problems. I mean, we can't even get a lot of countries to agree to ICJ (International Court of Justice) jurisdiction. How are we going to get them to agree to let people physically into their countries to investigate crimes and make arrests? Ain't gonna happen<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and this kind of thing is only effective if everyone signs up without reservations.</p></div><p>I Totally aggree here, I waw about to post these words</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I foresee this running into a lot of problems .
I mean , we ca n't even get a lot of countries to agree to ICJ ( International Court of Justice ) jurisdiction .
How are we going to get them to agree to let people physically into their countries to investigate crimes and make arrests ?
Ai n't gon na happen ... and this kind of thing is only effective if everyone signs up without reservations.I Totally aggree here , I waw about to post these words</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I foresee this running into a lot of problems.
I mean, we can't even get a lot of countries to agree to ICJ (International Court of Justice) jurisdiction.
How are we going to get them to agree to let people physically into their countries to investigate crimes and make arrests?
Ain't gonna happen ... and this kind of thing is only effective if everyone signs up without reservations.I Totally aggree here, I waw about to post these words
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431288</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431810</id>
	<title>Highly unlikely</title>
	<author>Gudeldar</author>
	<datestamp>1260809760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't see any evidence that this is anything other than the fevered dream Kaspersky and DeWalt. Though I'm sure that won't stop the tin foil hat brigade from going into full on freak-out mode.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see any evidence that this is anything other than the fevered dream Kaspersky and DeWalt .
Though I 'm sure that wo n't stop the tin foil hat brigade from going into full on freak-out mode .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see any evidence that this is anything other than the fevered dream Kaspersky and DeWalt.
Though I'm sure that won't stop the tin foil hat brigade from going into full on freak-out mode.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431438</id>
	<title>I can see...</title>
	<author>runyonave</author>
	<datestamp>1260808440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the MPAA, RIAA and other such scumbags getting in on this. Instead of catching real hackers, they go for the easy fish and arrest students and casual pirates.</p><p>Nowadays I don't have trust in any authoritative figure like this. They are usually backed by big corporations, that serve only corporate interests.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the MPAA , RIAA and other such scumbags getting in on this .
Instead of catching real hackers , they go for the easy fish and arrest students and casual pirates.Nowadays I do n't have trust in any authoritative figure like this .
They are usually backed by big corporations , that serve only corporate interests .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the MPAA, RIAA and other such scumbags getting in on this.
Instead of catching real hackers, they go for the easy fish and arrest students and casual pirates.Nowadays I don't have trust in any authoritative figure like this.
They are usually backed by big corporations, that serve only corporate interests.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30433738</id>
	<title>No good can come of this.</title>
	<author>kheldan</author>
	<datestamp>1260819060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Once upon a time I used to think that having separate countries was the problem with this world. I see now that national borders are the <i>only</i> thing keeping us safe from tyranny on a global scale. I see now that we cannot be ruled by one single governmental entity and expect everyone to be treated fairly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Once upon a time I used to think that having separate countries was the problem with this world .
I see now that national borders are the only thing keeping us safe from tyranny on a global scale .
I see now that we can not be ruled by one single governmental entity and expect everyone to be treated fairly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once upon a time I used to think that having separate countries was the problem with this world.
I see now that national borders are the only thing keeping us safe from tyranny on a global scale.
I see now that we cannot be ruled by one single governmental entity and expect everyone to be treated fairly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431558</id>
	<title>United Nation for Geeks</title>
	<author>handy\_vandal</author>
	<datestamp>1260808860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Like the United Nations.  But run by geeks, with member states actually paying their dues in a timely manner.  Also, not despised and feared by the citizenry.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Like the United Nations .
But run by geeks , with member states actually paying their dues in a timely manner .
Also , not despised and feared by the citizenry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like the United Nations.
But run by geeks, with member states actually paying their dues in a timely manner.
Also, not despised and feared by the citizenry.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431562</id>
	<title>Re:This sounds like wishful thinking</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260808860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're kidding right? When money is concerned almost all humans can agree. If it's profitable, we'll do it, even if it requires raping Constitutions or Bills of Rights.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're kidding right ?
When money is concerned almost all humans can agree .
If it 's profitable , we 'll do it , even if it requires raping Constitutions or Bills of Rights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're kidding right?
When money is concerned almost all humans can agree.
If it's profitable, we'll do it, even if it requires raping Constitutions or Bills of Rights.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431288</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431286</id>
	<title>First order of business....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260807780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Arrest those pirates! (no, not the ones off the coast of Somalia, since that would make too much sense)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Arrest those pirates !
( no , not the ones off the coast of Somalia , since that would make too much sense )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Arrest those pirates!
(no, not the ones off the coast of Somalia, since that would make too much sense)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431376</id>
	<title>That's great</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260808140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except computer crime doesn't have anything to do with hacking and there's a whole world of unharmonious national laws.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except computer crime does n't have anything to do with hacking and there 's a whole world of unharmonious national laws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except computer crime doesn't have anything to do with hacking and there's a whole world of unharmonious national laws.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431538</id>
	<title>Re:This sounds like wishful thinking</title>
	<author>realsilly</author>
	<datestamp>1260808800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course you can see a lot of problems with this.  So can they.  They are trying to consider it logistically.  There would be hundreds of things to considers and they know this.  But as more and more countries face these same technological challenges they will want to do something about the issues they face and this Global force may be their answer.</p><p>It is likely to happen at some point and there will be many legal challenges to the jurisdiction issues that will be faced, but eventually we'll have this in place and worked out the kinks and the world will face a new issue to tackle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course you can see a lot of problems with this .
So can they .
They are trying to consider it logistically .
There would be hundreds of things to considers and they know this .
But as more and more countries face these same technological challenges they will want to do something about the issues they face and this Global force may be their answer.It is likely to happen at some point and there will be many legal challenges to the jurisdiction issues that will be faced , but eventually we 'll have this in place and worked out the kinks and the world will face a new issue to tackle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course you can see a lot of problems with this.
So can they.
They are trying to consider it logistically.
There would be hundreds of things to considers and they know this.
But as more and more countries face these same technological challenges they will want to do something about the issues they face and this Global force may be their answer.It is likely to happen at some point and there will be many legal challenges to the jurisdiction issues that will be faced, but eventually we'll have this in place and worked out the kinks and the world will face a new issue to tackle.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431288</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30434036</id>
	<title>Re:the internet has been called the wild west</title>
	<author>JeanBaptiste</author>
	<datestamp>1260820620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps you should make a Low Budget HDV American Wild West Movie in NYC</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps you should make a Low Budget HDV American Wild West Movie in NYC</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps you should make a Low Budget HDV American Wild West Movie in NYC</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431856</id>
	<title>Sounds like...</title>
	<author>fructose</author>
	<datestamp>1260810000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Team America. </p><p>Seriously.</p><p>We all know how well that went...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Team America .
Seriously.We all know how well that went.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Team America.
Seriously.We all know how well that went...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431730</id>
	<title>And so it begins...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260809460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Through a combination of treaties, "cooperation" and now an entity for "enforcement", the realization of a one world government is coming to fruition.</p><p>Through the elimination of borders and consolidation of wealth and power, we will cease to see nations and will begin to see a single world, with a single government, a single monetary system and a single police force.</p><p>And it will all trace back to "we only did it in the name of securing the internet".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Through a combination of treaties , " cooperation " and now an entity for " enforcement " , the realization of a one world government is coming to fruition.Through the elimination of borders and consolidation of wealth and power , we will cease to see nations and will begin to see a single world , with a single government , a single monetary system and a single police force.And it will all trace back to " we only did it in the name of securing the internet " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Through a combination of treaties, "cooperation" and now an entity for "enforcement", the realization of a one world government is coming to fruition.Through the elimination of borders and consolidation of wealth and power, we will cease to see nations and will begin to see a single world, with a single government, a single monetary system and a single police force.And it will all trace back to "we only did it in the name of securing the internet".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30432686</id>
	<title>And with a global cyber police force...</title>
	<author>ScientiaPotentiaEst</author>
	<datestamp>1260813960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>... the global DMCA can be better enforced.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... the global DMCA can be better enforced .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... the global DMCA can be better enforced.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30433196</id>
	<title>Global police force?</title>
	<author>Anachragnome</author>
	<datestamp>1260816240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Global police force?</p><p>The last time someone tried that, the Schutzstaffel endured much resistance and ultimately failed.</p><p>I suspect they would have as much difficulty today as then.</p><p>(It even starts the same with way, with some media moron(Berchtold) leading the Crusade)</p><p>Who the fuck needs the History Channel? Wait long enough and you get to see it all play out again, live...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Global police force ? The last time someone tried that , the Schutzstaffel endured much resistance and ultimately failed.I suspect they would have as much difficulty today as then .
( It even starts the same with way , with some media moron ( Berchtold ) leading the Crusade ) Who the fuck needs the History Channel ?
Wait long enough and you get to see it all play out again , live.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Global police force?The last time someone tried that, the Schutzstaffel endured much resistance and ultimately failed.I suspect they would have as much difficulty today as then.
(It even starts the same with way, with some media moron(Berchtold) leading the Crusade)Who the fuck needs the History Channel?
Wait long enough and you get to see it all play out again, live...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30432288</id>
	<title>Cyber crime and corrupt governments</title>
	<author>swb</author>
	<datestamp>1260812280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem isn't being protected from remote governments, its the tacit approval and involvement of the local government.</p><p>Russia, anyone?  Do you think that cybercrime there doesn't involve FSB?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is n't being protected from remote governments , its the tacit approval and involvement of the local government.Russia , anyone ?
Do you think that cybercrime there does n't involve FSB ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem isn't being protected from remote governments, its the tacit approval and involvement of the local government.Russia, anyone?
Do you think that cybercrime there doesn't involve FSB?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431742</id>
	<title>Woot!</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1260809520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thunderbirds are go!

</p><p>Teach them cyber ne'er-do-well's what for, Brains!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thunderbirds are go !
Teach them cyber ne'er-do-well 's what for , Brains !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thunderbirds are go!
Teach them cyber ne'er-do-well's what for, Brains!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30432254</id>
	<title>Just shut off their Internet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260812100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If a country has a problem with criminal activity originating from another country's Internet users, simply block the offending country's address range at the border.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If a country has a problem with criminal activity originating from another country 's Internet users , simply block the offending country 's address range at the border .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If a country has a problem with criminal activity originating from another country's Internet users, simply block the offending country's address range at the border.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431746</id>
	<title>Re:Once the arrests are made...</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1260809520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I generally thought it'd be the nation whom was victimized. IE - American citizens victims, American Court, and all that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I generally thought it 'd be the nation whom was victimized .
IE - American citizens victims , American Court , and all that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I generally thought it'd be the nation whom was victimized.
IE - American citizens victims, American Court, and all that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431354</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30432030</id>
	<title>Security Vendors Want It!</title>
	<author>KlomDark</author>
	<datestamp>1260810900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So it must be good for everyone, not just their bottom lines</p><p>*Harrumph* on that shit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So it must be good for everyone , not just their bottom lines * Harrumph * on that shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So it must be good for everyone, not just their bottom lines*Harrumph* on that shit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431314</id>
	<title>Do not want.</title>
	<author>wcrowe</author>
	<datestamp>1260807840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The trouble with this, of course, is that one man's "hacker" is another man's journalist, or whistle-blower, or what have you.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The trouble with this , of course , is that one man 's " hacker " is another man 's journalist , or whistle-blower , or what have you .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>The trouble with this, of course, is that one man's "hacker" is another man's journalist, or whistle-blower, or what have you.
 </sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431522</id>
	<title>Would you trust someone this stupid?</title>
	<author>thethibs</author>
	<datestamp>1260808740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem here is not a lack of police with the jurisdiction to investigate and arrest suspected hackers. The subject countries have lots of those.</p><p>What's missing is a state willingness to prosecute, a willingness that won't change just because the cops are enforcers from Superpol. There is no reason to believe that the US, for example, would let a bunch of policemen from Europe and the Middle East come in and arrest US citizens on the basis of allegations that they broke some Saudi law. They barely tolerate Interpol, and those guys are just librarians.</p><p>When you balance the probable damage a "global police force" would do (is anyone naive enough to think that their mandate wouldn't be expanded?) against the damage that expatriate hackers do, the wise thing is to go with the hackers. The proper solution is the one already in place, and that's to have bilateral and multi-lateral extradition agreements.</p><p>Sending contract cops into a country that doesn't have laws against hacking may make good TV but the real-life consequences are much more complicated.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem here is not a lack of police with the jurisdiction to investigate and arrest suspected hackers .
The subject countries have lots of those.What 's missing is a state willingness to prosecute , a willingness that wo n't change just because the cops are enforcers from Superpol .
There is no reason to believe that the US , for example , would let a bunch of policemen from Europe and the Middle East come in and arrest US citizens on the basis of allegations that they broke some Saudi law .
They barely tolerate Interpol , and those guys are just librarians.When you balance the probable damage a " global police force " would do ( is anyone naive enough to think that their mandate would n't be expanded ?
) against the damage that expatriate hackers do , the wise thing is to go with the hackers .
The proper solution is the one already in place , and that 's to have bilateral and multi-lateral extradition agreements.Sending contract cops into a country that does n't have laws against hacking may make good TV but the real-life consequences are much more complicated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem here is not a lack of police with the jurisdiction to investigate and arrest suspected hackers.
The subject countries have lots of those.What's missing is a state willingness to prosecute, a willingness that won't change just because the cops are enforcers from Superpol.
There is no reason to believe that the US, for example, would let a bunch of policemen from Europe and the Middle East come in and arrest US citizens on the basis of allegations that they broke some Saudi law.
They barely tolerate Interpol, and those guys are just librarians.When you balance the probable damage a "global police force" would do (is anyone naive enough to think that their mandate wouldn't be expanded?
) against the damage that expatriate hackers do, the wise thing is to go with the hackers.
The proper solution is the one already in place, and that's to have bilateral and multi-lateral extradition agreements.Sending contract cops into a country that doesn't have laws against hacking may make good TV but the real-life consequences are much more complicated.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431818</id>
	<title>I, for one,</title>
	<author>gitoffmylawn!</author>
	<datestamp>1260809820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>do NOT welcome our global police overlords!</htmltext>
<tokenext>do NOT welcome our global police overlords !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>do NOT welcome our global police overlords!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30432220</id>
	<title>Accountable to whom?</title>
	<author>gedrin</author>
	<datestamp>1260811860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Who will write the laws that this orginization enforces?<br> <br>To whom will the law writers and this orginization be acountable?<br> <br>What processes will exist for removing law writers and enforcers who do bad jobs?<br> <br>What process will exist to appoint new law writers and enforcers?<br> <br>These seem like rational questions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who will write the laws that this orginization enforces ?
To whom will the law writers and this orginization be acountable ?
What processes will exist for removing law writers and enforcers who do bad jobs ?
What process will exist to appoint new law writers and enforcers ?
These seem like rational questions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who will write the laws that this orginization enforces?
To whom will the law writers and this orginization be acountable?
What processes will exist for removing law writers and enforcers who do bad jobs?
What process will exist to appoint new law writers and enforcers?
These seem like rational questions.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30435682</id>
	<title>Re:And so it begins...</title>
	<author>arminw</author>
	<datestamp>1260786420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...the realization of a one world government is coming to fruition...</p><p>Just as it is predicted that in the last book and other places of the Bible, there will be a world dictator, a leader, whom the Bible calls the antichrist. The Bible also predicts that there will once again be a nation Israel and that has already happened.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...the realization of a one world government is coming to fruition...Just as it is predicted that in the last book and other places of the Bible , there will be a world dictator , a leader , whom the Bible calls the antichrist .
The Bible also predicts that there will once again be a nation Israel and that has already happened .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...the realization of a one world government is coming to fruition...Just as it is predicted that in the last book and other places of the Bible, there will be a world dictator, a leader, whom the Bible calls the antichrist.
The Bible also predicts that there will once again be a nation Israel and that has already happened.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431730</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30432272</id>
	<title>The problem with anything "global":</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1260812220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is no choice anymore. You can&rsquo;t go anywhere for asylum. The worst things that can be global, are governments, and police!</p><p>In my eyes this is heading straight to the end of all freedom by total global group-think. Either you follow it, or you go to jail (or die).</p><p>I can&rsquo;t imagine anything worse. Ever. Even a nuclear war and being raped can&rsquo;t beat that. Because with those things you at least die some day. (Which is a way of becoming free again.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no choice anymore .
You can    t go anywhere for asylum .
The worst things that can be global , are governments , and police ! In my eyes this is heading straight to the end of all freedom by total global group-think .
Either you follow it , or you go to jail ( or die ) .I can    t imagine anything worse .
Ever. Even a nuclear war and being raped can    t beat that .
Because with those things you at least die some day .
( Which is a way of becoming free again .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no choice anymore.
You can’t go anywhere for asylum.
The worst things that can be global, are governments, and police!In my eyes this is heading straight to the end of all freedom by total global group-think.
Either you follow it, or you go to jail (or die).I can’t imagine anything worse.
Ever. Even a nuclear war and being raped can’t beat that.
Because with those things you at least die some day.
(Which is a way of becoming free again.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431764</id>
	<title>Re:This sounds like wishful thinking</title>
	<author>clone53421</author>
	<datestamp>1260809580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I predict the following:</p><p>&gt; Funded almost entirely by the USA</p><p>&gt; Staffed almost entirely by the USA</p><p>&gt; Enforceable primarily in the USA, to a smaller degree in a few friendly countries, and with a handful of other countries agreeing to extradite suspects, maybe, if we ask them politely enough on days of the month evenly divisible by 13.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I predict the following : &gt; Funded almost entirely by the USA &gt; Staffed almost entirely by the USA &gt; Enforceable primarily in the USA , to a smaller degree in a few friendly countries , and with a handful of other countries agreeing to extradite suspects , maybe , if we ask them politely enough on days of the month evenly divisible by 13 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I predict the following:&gt; Funded almost entirely by the USA&gt; Staffed almost entirely by the USA&gt; Enforceable primarily in the USA, to a smaller degree in a few friendly countries, and with a handful of other countries agreeing to extradite suspects, maybe, if we ask them politely enough on days of the month evenly divisible by 13.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431288</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431880</id>
	<title>Re:the internet has been called the wild west</title>
	<author>thethibs</author>
	<datestamp>1260810060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not to rain on your parade, but you may not have noticed that all the "wild west" stories about places like Dodge City and Tombstone are about federal marshals abusing their power and getting little help from the citizenry.</p><p>In fact, the "wild west" was a pretty quiet place that only became wild when the US Marshals arrived and disarmed the townspeople, creating a large supply of victims that in turn justified the federal presence.</p><p>I'm not sure how that translates to the internet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to rain on your parade , but you may not have noticed that all the " wild west " stories about places like Dodge City and Tombstone are about federal marshals abusing their power and getting little help from the citizenry.In fact , the " wild west " was a pretty quiet place that only became wild when the US Marshals arrived and disarmed the townspeople , creating a large supply of victims that in turn justified the federal presence.I 'm not sure how that translates to the internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to rain on your parade, but you may not have noticed that all the "wild west" stories about places like Dodge City and Tombstone are about federal marshals abusing their power and getting little help from the citizenry.In fact, the "wild west" was a pretty quiet place that only became wild when the US Marshals arrived and disarmed the townspeople, creating a large supply of victims that in turn justified the federal presence.I'm not sure how that translates to the internet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431552</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431296</id>
	<title>unamused</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260807780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see how this is a good thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see how this is a good thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see how this is a good thing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431802</id>
	<title>Re:First order of business....</title>
	<author>Krneki</author>
	<datestamp>1260809760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Meh, how do you rate someone +5 Troll?<br><br>The post above me clearly classifies as righteous bastard.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Meh , how do you rate someone + 5 Troll ? The post above me clearly classifies as righteous bastard .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meh, how do you rate someone +5 Troll?The post above me clearly classifies as righteous bastard.
:)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431286</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431520</id>
	<title>Re:First order of business....</title>
	<author>sopssa</author>
	<datestamp>1260808740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, that's already being taken care of ( <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/12/14/1441252/Secret-Copyright-Treaty-Timeline-Shows-Global-DMCA?art\_pos=1" title="slashdot.org">ACTA, the secret copyright treaty</a> [slashdot.org] ).</p><p>And I think this would be the same way that ACTA is - USA laws forced in to other countries. No thank you. And I'm pretty sure Russia and China don't want to introduce USA laws either, and with those countries out of it, is there any point?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , that 's already being taken care of ( ACTA , the secret copyright treaty [ slashdot.org ] ) .And I think this would be the same way that ACTA is - USA laws forced in to other countries .
No thank you .
And I 'm pretty sure Russia and China do n't want to introduce USA laws either , and with those countries out of it , is there any point ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, that's already being taken care of ( ACTA, the secret copyright treaty [slashdot.org] ).And I think this would be the same way that ACTA is - USA laws forced in to other countries.
No thank you.
And I'm pretty sure Russia and China don't want to introduce USA laws either, and with those countries out of it, is there any point?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431286</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431870</id>
	<title>duh</title>
	<author>dropadrop</author>
	<datestamp>1260810060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>How about first just doing something about the crimes? I've had good success with the UK police force, and the FBI (with some exceptions), but several other countries authorities have been painful to work with even in cases where there is solid evidence and the countries laws have clearly been broken. I can see how a law like this would help things, but just working on the cases based on current laws would already make a big difference.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about first just doing something about the crimes ?
I 've had good success with the UK police force , and the FBI ( with some exceptions ) , but several other countries authorities have been painful to work with even in cases where there is solid evidence and the countries laws have clearly been broken .
I can see how a law like this would help things , but just working on the cases based on current laws would already make a big difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about first just doing something about the crimes?
I've had good success with the UK police force, and the FBI (with some exceptions), but several other countries authorities have been painful to work with even in cases where there is solid evidence and the countries laws have clearly been broken.
I can see how a law like this would help things, but just working on the cases based on current laws would already make a big difference.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30436324</id>
	<title>NO</title>
	<author>s13g3</author>
	<datestamp>1260789240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is no need for yet another global police force of any sort. I neither need nor want anybody not of my nation having the authority to investigate me at the whim of... whomever. There is nothing wrong with having other countries' own police, on noticing a crime, contacting the police through established channels where the crime took place, and asking them to investigate and prosecute according to THEIR OWN LAWS.<br><br>No, the answer here is very simple. Those countries who refuse to co-operate and continually and knowingly shelter criminals using the internet to perpetrate their crimes (e.g., China, Russia, Brazil, Moldova) should simply be cut off from the global public internet, and not allowed back on until they can prove they are willing to behave. In most countries, we do nothing less when we proscribe a "cyber-criminal" from using computers for a period of time after being found guilty, and I don't see why we shouldn't do the same to countries who seek to profit off of other nations by blatantly sheltering criminal activity. Seems to me that would be a lot cheaper and more effective (much less safer to the rights of the citizens of each nation), as it would be a highly effective embargo and liable to have a major impact on commerce for both the smallest and largest of nations - exactly the thing needed to get them to take responsibility for themselves, rather than create another vector for legalistic abuse.<br><br>Can you really tell me that with such an international organization in place that it wouldn't be long before we start seeing criminal charges being placed in China and enforced by these cyber-cops because someone in Norway said something on a forum or IRC contrary to some official government party line? I don't favor the idea of being dragged to Iran for posting a picture on IRC that is a part of my guaranteed free speech here but proscribed there. You (and your nation) connect to the internet voluntarily. If you don't like what is on the internet, don't look at it or disconnect. Same with TV: at least in places where our media isn't state run, you have the option to change the channel or turn it off. As a result, if China or Iran doesn't like what's on the internet, they can get off it, and by the same token, if some nations can't at the very least comply with what the rest of the internet see as minimum basic acceptable behavior, they should be forced to deal with their own people in their own little walled garden until they realize how obnoxious those people are and do something about it. The value of neutrality and anonymity only go so far as they don't cause active, real, provable harm to others, at which point it becomes necessary to lift that veil and deal with such people - no one REQUESTS or knowingly volunteers to have their bank account hacked or to be packeted, and it's precisely when one's interaction with the internet ceases to be voluntarily that neutrality ceases to be a concern. This doesn't require people with badges who have no national boundaries and are subject to their own laws to go do something about it, simply the same thing that network operators have been doing VERY SUCCESSFULLY from day one: disconnect and ban the offending user. If that user is an entire nation, oh well. If the internet matters enough to the people of that nation, then perhaps those people will demand their government get their shit together and do something about it. If not, then obviously that country wasn't an important, useful or desirable addition to the global public internet in the first place.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no need for yet another global police force of any sort .
I neither need nor want anybody not of my nation having the authority to investigate me at the whim of... whomever. There is nothing wrong with having other countries ' own police , on noticing a crime , contacting the police through established channels where the crime took place , and asking them to investigate and prosecute according to THEIR OWN LAWS.No , the answer here is very simple .
Those countries who refuse to co-operate and continually and knowingly shelter criminals using the internet to perpetrate their crimes ( e.g. , China , Russia , Brazil , Moldova ) should simply be cut off from the global public internet , and not allowed back on until they can prove they are willing to behave .
In most countries , we do nothing less when we proscribe a " cyber-criminal " from using computers for a period of time after being found guilty , and I do n't see why we should n't do the same to countries who seek to profit off of other nations by blatantly sheltering criminal activity .
Seems to me that would be a lot cheaper and more effective ( much less safer to the rights of the citizens of each nation ) , as it would be a highly effective embargo and liable to have a major impact on commerce for both the smallest and largest of nations - exactly the thing needed to get them to take responsibility for themselves , rather than create another vector for legalistic abuse.Can you really tell me that with such an international organization in place that it would n't be long before we start seeing criminal charges being placed in China and enforced by these cyber-cops because someone in Norway said something on a forum or IRC contrary to some official government party line ?
I do n't favor the idea of being dragged to Iran for posting a picture on IRC that is a part of my guaranteed free speech here but proscribed there .
You ( and your nation ) connect to the internet voluntarily .
If you do n't like what is on the internet , do n't look at it or disconnect .
Same with TV : at least in places where our media is n't state run , you have the option to change the channel or turn it off .
As a result , if China or Iran does n't like what 's on the internet , they can get off it , and by the same token , if some nations ca n't at the very least comply with what the rest of the internet see as minimum basic acceptable behavior , they should be forced to deal with their own people in their own little walled garden until they realize how obnoxious those people are and do something about it .
The value of neutrality and anonymity only go so far as they do n't cause active , real , provable harm to others , at which point it becomes necessary to lift that veil and deal with such people - no one REQUESTS or knowingly volunteers to have their bank account hacked or to be packeted , and it 's precisely when one 's interaction with the internet ceases to be voluntarily that neutrality ceases to be a concern .
This does n't require people with badges who have no national boundaries and are subject to their own laws to go do something about it , simply the same thing that network operators have been doing VERY SUCCESSFULLY from day one : disconnect and ban the offending user .
If that user is an entire nation , oh well .
If the internet matters enough to the people of that nation , then perhaps those people will demand their government get their shit together and do something about it .
If not , then obviously that country was n't an important , useful or desirable addition to the global public internet in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no need for yet another global police force of any sort.
I neither need nor want anybody not of my nation having the authority to investigate me at the whim of... whomever. There is nothing wrong with having other countries' own police, on noticing a crime, contacting the police through established channels where the crime took place, and asking them to investigate and prosecute according to THEIR OWN LAWS.No, the answer here is very simple.
Those countries who refuse to co-operate and continually and knowingly shelter criminals using the internet to perpetrate their crimes (e.g., China, Russia, Brazil, Moldova) should simply be cut off from the global public internet, and not allowed back on until they can prove they are willing to behave.
In most countries, we do nothing less when we proscribe a "cyber-criminal" from using computers for a period of time after being found guilty, and I don't see why we shouldn't do the same to countries who seek to profit off of other nations by blatantly sheltering criminal activity.
Seems to me that would be a lot cheaper and more effective (much less safer to the rights of the citizens of each nation), as it would be a highly effective embargo and liable to have a major impact on commerce for both the smallest and largest of nations - exactly the thing needed to get them to take responsibility for themselves, rather than create another vector for legalistic abuse.Can you really tell me that with such an international organization in place that it wouldn't be long before we start seeing criminal charges being placed in China and enforced by these cyber-cops because someone in Norway said something on a forum or IRC contrary to some official government party line?
I don't favor the idea of being dragged to Iran for posting a picture on IRC that is a part of my guaranteed free speech here but proscribed there.
You (and your nation) connect to the internet voluntarily.
If you don't like what is on the internet, don't look at it or disconnect.
Same with TV: at least in places where our media isn't state run, you have the option to change the channel or turn it off.
As a result, if China or Iran doesn't like what's on the internet, they can get off it, and by the same token, if some nations can't at the very least comply with what the rest of the internet see as minimum basic acceptable behavior, they should be forced to deal with their own people in their own little walled garden until they realize how obnoxious those people are and do something about it.
The value of neutrality and anonymity only go so far as they don't cause active, real, provable harm to others, at which point it becomes necessary to lift that veil and deal with such people - no one REQUESTS or knowingly volunteers to have their bank account hacked or to be packeted, and it's precisely when one's interaction with the internet ceases to be voluntarily that neutrality ceases to be a concern.
This doesn't require people with badges who have no national boundaries and are subject to their own laws to go do something about it, simply the same thing that network operators have been doing VERY SUCCESSFULLY from day one: disconnect and ban the offending user.
If that user is an entire nation, oh well.
If the internet matters enough to the people of that nation, then perhaps those people will demand their government get their shit together and do something about it.
If not, then obviously that country wasn't an important, useful or desirable addition to the global public internet in the first place.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30432154</id>
	<title>Ummm, InterPol</title>
	<author>jvillain</author>
	<datestamp>1260811500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm surprised no one has ever heard of InterPol, it is on every video casette, dvd and Bd you ever owned. The problem is countries other than the US have rights. No one is going to surrender those rights to allow a bunch of gun toting Americans cart blanch to fire at will.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised no one has ever heard of InterPol , it is on every video casette , dvd and Bd you ever owned .
The problem is countries other than the US have rights .
No one is going to surrender those rights to allow a bunch of gun toting Americans cart blanch to fire at will .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised no one has ever heard of InterPol, it is on every video casette, dvd and Bd you ever owned.
The problem is countries other than the US have rights.
No one is going to surrender those rights to allow a bunch of gun toting Americans cart blanch to fire at will.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431628</id>
	<title>I thought</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260809100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the U.S.A. was the world's cop?</p><p>Yours In Yasnogorsk,<br>Kilgore Trout</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the U.S.A. was the world 's cop ? Yours In Yasnogorsk,Kilgore Trout</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the U.S.A. was the world's cop?Yours In Yasnogorsk,Kilgore Trout</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30433222</id>
	<title>Mod parent down</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260816360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is this insightful? Look I hate the MPAA and RIAA more than anyone. But let's face facts:</p><p>Internationally the real piracy threat is people who are printing up fake CDs and DVDs with real-looking cases and everything.</p><p>On top of that, these organizations <b>employ</b> the same computer penetration techniques that would be policed by such a law enforcement agency.</p><p>Let's get real: When the MPAA or RIAA entertain such delusions of grandiosity that they explore avenues of international copyright enforcement, it has nothing to do with the Internet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is this insightful ?
Look I hate the MPAA and RIAA more than anyone .
But let 's face facts : Internationally the real piracy threat is people who are printing up fake CDs and DVDs with real-looking cases and everything.On top of that , these organizations employ the same computer penetration techniques that would be policed by such a law enforcement agency.Let 's get real : When the MPAA or RIAA entertain such delusions of grandiosity that they explore avenues of international copyright enforcement , it has nothing to do with the Internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is this insightful?
Look I hate the MPAA and RIAA more than anyone.
But let's face facts:Internationally the real piracy threat is people who are printing up fake CDs and DVDs with real-looking cases and everything.On top of that, these organizations employ the same computer penetration techniques that would be policed by such a law enforcement agency.Let's get real: When the MPAA or RIAA entertain such delusions of grandiosity that they explore avenues of international copyright enforcement, it has nothing to do with the Internet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431438</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30433620</id>
	<title>Re:This sounds like wishful thinking</title>
	<author>Lord Ender</author>
	<datestamp>1260818580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The major "big money" cybercrime these days is eastern European mafia attacking western European banks. I don't see the USA as caring about this as much as Europe does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The major " big money " cybercrime these days is eastern European mafia attacking western European banks .
I do n't see the USA as caring about this as much as Europe does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The major "big money" cybercrime these days is eastern European mafia attacking western European banks.
I don't see the USA as caring about this as much as Europe does.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431764</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431432</id>
	<title>In principle...</title>
	<author>allcaps</author>
	<datestamp>1260808440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>As long as America can vote away from this nonsense, I'm alright with the rest of the world doing what they want with their countries.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as America can vote away from this nonsense , I 'm alright with the rest of the world doing what they want with their countries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as America can vote away from this nonsense, I'm alright with the rest of the world doing what they want with their countries.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30433202</id>
	<title>This is perfect</title>
	<author>HangingChad</author>
	<datestamp>1260816240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get them a couple of <a href="http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/AIR\_WALRUS\_Skyfrieghter\_lg.jpg" title="defenseindustrydaily.com">these</a> [defenseindustrydaily.com] to travel around in, the pilot might be named "Virgil", a secret base on an island, maybe someone named Penelope to head it all up.

</p><p>That's a go!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get them a couple of these [ defenseindustrydaily.com ] to travel around in , the pilot might be named " Virgil " , a secret base on an island , maybe someone named Penelope to head it all up .
That 's a go !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get them a couple of these [defenseindustrydaily.com] to travel around in, the pilot might be named "Virgil", a secret base on an island, maybe someone named Penelope to head it all up.
That's a go!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431552</id>
	<title>the internet has been called the wild west</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1260808860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and the parallel holds, since the end of the real wild west consisted of the feds moving into lawless lands and taking over from vigilante, ad hoc systems of justice, just like this proposal. that was pretty much the historical end of the real wild west</p><p>so i'm waiting for the internet's version of "dodge city", where tourists can go and experience the vicarious thrill of driveby downloading, phishing exploits, nigerian email scams, and id theft, much like in the real "dodge city", gunfights at high noon and cattle rustling are now recreated for tourist's sake</p><p>"wow dad, i was browsing the dancing hamster website with the purple gorilla in the taskbar on the windows ME simulation, and like, i just got pwned! the simulation showed me as the payload modified the registry settings in the simulation! was it really like that in the bad old days?"</p><p>"that's right son, when your dad was your age browsing the internet, you always had your sidearm antivirus at the ready. craven desperate men and psychotic outlaws were always just around the corner, a click away. you had to deal with danger and treachery on a daily basis"</p><p>"gee dad, did you actually get an email from belarus claiming to be citibank asking for your security credentials out of concern for your security?"</p><p>"sure did"</p><p>"that's scary dad! how did the early internet pioneers ever survive in such a hostile wilderness. how did we ever make it this far?"</p><p>"sometimes i wonder myself son"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and the parallel holds , since the end of the real wild west consisted of the feds moving into lawless lands and taking over from vigilante , ad hoc systems of justice , just like this proposal .
that was pretty much the historical end of the real wild westso i 'm waiting for the internet 's version of " dodge city " , where tourists can go and experience the vicarious thrill of driveby downloading , phishing exploits , nigerian email scams , and id theft , much like in the real " dodge city " , gunfights at high noon and cattle rustling are now recreated for tourist 's sake " wow dad , i was browsing the dancing hamster website with the purple gorilla in the taskbar on the windows ME simulation , and like , i just got pwned !
the simulation showed me as the payload modified the registry settings in the simulation !
was it really like that in the bad old days ?
" " that 's right son , when your dad was your age browsing the internet , you always had your sidearm antivirus at the ready .
craven desperate men and psychotic outlaws were always just around the corner , a click away .
you had to deal with danger and treachery on a daily basis " " gee dad , did you actually get an email from belarus claiming to be citibank asking for your security credentials out of concern for your security ?
" " sure did " " that 's scary dad !
how did the early internet pioneers ever survive in such a hostile wilderness .
how did we ever make it this far ?
" " sometimes i wonder myself son "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and the parallel holds, since the end of the real wild west consisted of the feds moving into lawless lands and taking over from vigilante, ad hoc systems of justice, just like this proposal.
that was pretty much the historical end of the real wild westso i'm waiting for the internet's version of "dodge city", where tourists can go and experience the vicarious thrill of driveby downloading, phishing exploits, nigerian email scams, and id theft, much like in the real "dodge city", gunfights at high noon and cattle rustling are now recreated for tourist's sake"wow dad, i was browsing the dancing hamster website with the purple gorilla in the taskbar on the windows ME simulation, and like, i just got pwned!
the simulation showed me as the payload modified the registry settings in the simulation!
was it really like that in the bad old days?
""that's right son, when your dad was your age browsing the internet, you always had your sidearm antivirus at the ready.
craven desperate men and psychotic outlaws were always just around the corner, a click away.
you had to deal with danger and treachery on a daily basis""gee dad, did you actually get an email from belarus claiming to be citibank asking for your security credentials out of concern for your security?
""sure did""that's scary dad!
how did the early internet pioneers ever survive in such a hostile wilderness.
how did we ever make it this far?
""sometimes i wonder myself son"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30434760</id>
	<title>Good news! USA finally acknowledging the ICJ?</title>
	<author>St.Creed</author>
	<datestamp>1260781320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think this is great news.</p><p>Since the USA is a safe harbor for war criminals they don't want to prosecute, and we have an ICJ for dealing with that, my question is: when are they going to agree to having the <a href="http://www.icj-cij.org/" title="icj-cij.org">International Court of Justice</a> [icj-cij.org] as a court of law for the warcriminals they don't want to prosecute?</p><p>Or would it be that if the USA doesn't prosecute for some reason, it's the due course of law, but if another country does not prosecute for some reason (like, people doing things not being punishable in their country) it is because the country is a "safe harbor"?</p><p>Naaaah...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this is great news.Since the USA is a safe harbor for war criminals they do n't want to prosecute , and we have an ICJ for dealing with that , my question is : when are they going to agree to having the International Court of Justice [ icj-cij.org ] as a court of law for the warcriminals they do n't want to prosecute ? Or would it be that if the USA does n't prosecute for some reason , it 's the due course of law , but if another country does not prosecute for some reason ( like , people doing things not being punishable in their country ) it is because the country is a " safe harbor " ? Naaaah.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this is great news.Since the USA is a safe harbor for war criminals they don't want to prosecute, and we have an ICJ for dealing with that, my question is: when are they going to agree to having the International Court of Justice [icj-cij.org] as a court of law for the warcriminals they don't want to prosecute?Or would it be that if the USA doesn't prosecute for some reason, it's the due course of law, but if another country does not prosecute for some reason (like, people doing things not being punishable in their country) it is because the country is a "safe harbor"?Naaaah...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431358</id>
	<title>The teamamerica tag</title>
	<author>Borommakot\_15</author>
	<datestamp>1260808020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The teamamerica tag made me want to say this...
<br> <br>
"Matt Damon..."</htmltext>
<tokenext>The teamamerica tag made me want to say this.. . " Matt Damon... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The teamamerica tag made me want to say this...
 
"Matt Damon..."</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431698</id>
	<title>Mission Priority</title>
	<author>rlp</author>
	<datestamp>1260809340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure the top priority will be catching those <b>EVIL</b> copyright violators.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure the top priority will be catching those EVIL copyright violators .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure the top priority will be catching those EVIL copyright violators.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431646</id>
	<title>this is an AWESOME...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260809160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...intro to a comic book series.  So dark, so dystopian.  I would eagerly read the introductory issues to find out what hero or heroes could possibly stand up to such a corrupt international power with no oversight!  Will the heroes be teens, merely human, or something else?  Will they be born a hero, or become one out of circumstance.  It really is an exciting --  wait, what.  This is nonfiction?  There is no hero?  um...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...intro to a comic book series .
So dark , so dystopian .
I would eagerly read the introductory issues to find out what hero or heroes could possibly stand up to such a corrupt international power with no oversight !
Will the heroes be teens , merely human , or something else ?
Will they be born a hero , or become one out of circumstance .
It really is an exciting -- wait , what .
This is nonfiction ?
There is no hero ?
um.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...intro to a comic book series.
So dark, so dystopian.
I would eagerly read the introductory issues to find out what hero or heroes could possibly stand up to such a corrupt international power with no oversight!
Will the heroes be teens, merely human, or something else?
Will they be born a hero, or become one out of circumstance.
It really is an exciting --  wait, what.
This is nonfiction?
There is no hero?
um...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431310</id>
	<title>Can only see that if</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260807840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It follow American laws - which most of us dont want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It follow American laws - which most of us dont want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It follow American laws - which most of us dont want.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30445230</id>
	<title>ACTA!</title>
	<author>hicksw</author>
	<datestamp>1260897060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I imagine the people cooking up ACTA would love this idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I imagine the people cooking up ACTA would love this idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I imagine the people cooking up ACTA would love this idea.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431324</id>
	<title>No...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260807900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Personally I think anything with "trans-border jurisdiction" is just asking to be taken advantage of. I like the seperation of government and jurisdiction, although I definately think that something like th UN should reform some of their policies on extradition. In any case, trans-border jurisdiction means jack squat if you cant get the local government to cooperate.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally I think anything with " trans-border jurisdiction " is just asking to be taken advantage of .
I like the seperation of government and jurisdiction , although I definately think that something like th UN should reform some of their policies on extradition .
In any case , trans-border jurisdiction means jack squat if you cant get the local government to cooperate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally I think anything with "trans-border jurisdiction" is just asking to be taken advantage of.
I like the seperation of government and jurisdiction, although I definately think that something like th UN should reform some of their policies on extradition.
In any case, trans-border jurisdiction means jack squat if you cant get the local government to cooperate.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431488</id>
	<title>2012</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260808680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>World-wide laws, coming soon from your New World Order dictators.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>World-wide laws , coming soon from your New World Order dictators .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>World-wide laws, coming soon from your New World Order dictators.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431982</id>
	<title>A good read...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260810660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For a good read on the difficulties of tracking criminals through a global internet read <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Cuckoos-Egg-Tracking-Computer-Espionage/dp/1416507787" title="amazon.com">The Cuckoo's Egg</a> [amazon.com]. It reads like a suspenseful spy novel but is entirely non-fiction.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For a good read on the difficulties of tracking criminals through a global internet read The Cuckoo 's Egg [ amazon.com ] .
It reads like a suspenseful spy novel but is entirely non-fiction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For a good read on the difficulties of tracking criminals through a global internet read The Cuckoo's Egg [amazon.com].
It reads like a suspenseful spy novel but is entirely non-fiction.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431794</id>
	<title>The U.S. has no problem doing this when they want</title>
	<author>cenc</author>
	<datestamp>1260809700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Like the U.S. law in congress right now forcing foreign banks to provide all information related to American owning accounts internationally, close them, or have 30\% of the bank's assets in the United States withheld.</p><p>How about the recent EU SWIFT information handover to the U.S.?</p><p>I could see the U.S. doing something similar with internet connections of ISPs that run through the U.S., or have buisness in the U.S. Perhaps they will withhold 30\% of their bandwidth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like the U.S. law in congress right now forcing foreign banks to provide all information related to American owning accounts internationally , close them , or have 30 \ % of the bank 's assets in the United States withheld.How about the recent EU SWIFT information handover to the U.S. ? I could see the U.S. doing something similar with internet connections of ISPs that run through the U.S. , or have buisness in the U.S. Perhaps they will withhold 30 \ % of their bandwidth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like the U.S. law in congress right now forcing foreign banks to provide all information related to American owning accounts internationally, close them, or have 30\% of the bank's assets in the United States withheld.How about the recent EU SWIFT information handover to the U.S.?I could see the U.S. doing something similar with internet connections of ISPs that run through the U.S., or have buisness in the U.S. Perhaps they will withhold 30\% of their bandwidth.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431324</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30432630</id>
	<title>Apperances are deceiving.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260813600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>without them malicious hackers we would have never known about say ( estimate ) 70\% of the known exploits.. think about what this means... 70\% of the currently known exploits could have been kept silent by Corporations or Governments for Strategical puproses or monetary. Now Imagine a conflict between nations.. China vs the USA... ( think Code Red incident ) just imagine the chaos you'dt find yourself in.<br>
&nbsp; Nah personally Id't rather have this kiddie stumbling onto a exploit and abusing it to DDoS his hacker buddies then a government sitting on a stockpile of unknown exploits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>without them malicious hackers we would have never known about say ( estimate ) 70 \ % of the known exploits.. think about what this means... 70 \ % of the currently known exploits could have been kept silent by Corporations or Governments for Strategical puproses or monetary .
Now Imagine a conflict between nations.. China vs the USA... ( think Code Red incident ) just imagine the chaos you'dt find yourself in .
  Nah personally Id't rather have this kiddie stumbling onto a exploit and abusing it to DDoS his hacker buddies then a government sitting on a stockpile of unknown exploits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>without them malicious hackers we would have never known about say ( estimate ) 70\% of the known exploits.. think about what this means... 70\% of the currently known exploits could have been kept silent by Corporations or Governments for Strategical puproses or monetary.
Now Imagine a conflict between nations.. China vs the USA... ( think Code Red incident ) just imagine the chaos you'dt find yourself in.
  Nah personally Id't rather have this kiddie stumbling onto a exploit and abusing it to DDoS his hacker buddies then a government sitting on a stockpile of unknown exploits.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431382</id>
	<title>Interpol?</title>
	<author>manyxcxi</author>
	<datestamp>1260808140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Isn't that pretty much what the International Criminal Police Organization is supposed to do? It's the second largest intergovernmental conglomeration behind the UN, and has almost 200 member countries. Given that cyber crime is crime nonetheless, I'd hope that they were gearing up to be able to handle more and more of it. I feel like more than anything, the laws need to catch up to the criminals in these cases- or they aren't really criminals at all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't that pretty much what the International Criminal Police Organization is supposed to do ?
It 's the second largest intergovernmental conglomeration behind the UN , and has almost 200 member countries .
Given that cyber crime is crime nonetheless , I 'd hope that they were gearing up to be able to handle more and more of it .
I feel like more than anything , the laws need to catch up to the criminals in these cases- or they are n't really criminals at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't that pretty much what the International Criminal Police Organization is supposed to do?
It's the second largest intergovernmental conglomeration behind the UN, and has almost 200 member countries.
Given that cyber crime is crime nonetheless, I'd hope that they were gearing up to be able to handle more and more of it.
I feel like more than anything, the laws need to catch up to the criminals in these cases- or they aren't really criminals at all.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30432492</id>
	<title>Sounds Like A Line Of Action Figures</title>
	<author>Ukab the Great</author>
	<datestamp>1260813120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will the Global Cyber Force  have "Smash Action Kung-Fu Grips"? (along with a disclaimer in fine print that says "does not actually hack"?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will the Global Cyber Force have " Smash Action Kung-Fu Grips " ?
( along with a disclaimer in fine print that says " does not actually hack " ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will the Global Cyber Force  have "Smash Action Kung-Fu Grips"?
(along with a disclaimer in fine print that says "does not actually hack"?
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431566</id>
	<title>Team America World Police</title>
	<author>jfalcon</author>
	<datestamp>1260808860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I say we get Al Gore to form the world police.  After all, he 'invented' the Internet and the Internet is an American invention.  He might have more luck with doing this rather than herding people in climate change talks...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I say we get Al Gore to form the world police .
After all , he 'invented ' the Internet and the Internet is an American invention .
He might have more luck with doing this rather than herding people in climate change talks.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I say we get Al Gore to form the world police.
After all, he 'invented' the Internet and the Internet is an American invention.
He might have more luck with doing this rather than herding people in climate change talks...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30435780</id>
	<title>Self-enforcing protocols</title>
	<author>skeeto</author>
	<datestamp>1260786840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here's what you do instead of creating abusive "cyberpolice": you set up the system so that cheating is very difficult to impossible in the first place, through self-enforcing protocols and smart contracts. Distributed systems, like DHT and P2P, already apply this to some extent.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's what you do instead of creating abusive " cyberpolice " : you set up the system so that cheating is very difficult to impossible in the first place , through self-enforcing protocols and smart contracts .
Distributed systems , like DHT and P2P , already apply this to some extent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's what you do instead of creating abusive "cyberpolice": you set up the system so that cheating is very difficult to impossible in the first place, through self-enforcing protocols and smart contracts.
Distributed systems, like DHT and P2P, already apply this to some extent.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30440376</id>
	<title>Reeks of trying to control or tame the net</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260812340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whats happens when the trace reveals the origin of the hack as the pla or the nsa<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... thats right Rules dont apply in some cases<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whats happens when the trace reveals the origin of the hack as the pla or the nsa ... thats right Rules dont apply in some cases .... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whats happens when the trace reveals the origin of the hack as the pla or the nsa ... thats right Rules dont apply in some cases .....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431518</id>
	<title>Re:Once the arrests are made...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260808740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dont forget that a lot of the targets of cyper crime tend to over-exaggerate the damages involved.</p><p>Also you'll be stuck with a system where you're responsible for any actions that might become a crime at some time<br>in any member state.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dont forget that a lot of the targets of cyper crime tend to over-exaggerate the damages involved.Also you 'll be stuck with a system where you 're responsible for any actions that might become a crime at some timein any member state .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dont forget that a lot of the targets of cyper crime tend to over-exaggerate the damages involved.Also you'll be stuck with a system where you're responsible for any actions that might become a crime at some timein any member state.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431332</id>
	<title>The hackers are not the real problem</title>
	<author>prgrmr</author>
	<datestamp>1260807900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The real problem is the lack of international cooperation and extradition treaties that would cover not only cyber crime, but crimes of all sorts.  Creating a hyper-focused solution for a narrow aspect of a broader problem is only going to create more problems, and ultimately erode more freedoms than the number of crimes it may solve.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The real problem is the lack of international cooperation and extradition treaties that would cover not only cyber crime , but crimes of all sorts .
Creating a hyper-focused solution for a narrow aspect of a broader problem is only going to create more problems , and ultimately erode more freedoms than the number of crimes it may solve .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real problem is the lack of international cooperation and extradition treaties that would cover not only cyber crime, but crimes of all sorts.
Creating a hyper-focused solution for a narrow aspect of a broader problem is only going to create more problems, and ultimately erode more freedoms than the number of crimes it may solve.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30432148</id>
	<title>First order of business....clear out Redmond</title>
	<author>SgtChaireBourne</author>
	<datestamp>1260811500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First order of business should be to clear out Redmond.  That's where the damage comes from.  Microsoft is not a technology problem, it is a personnel problem. Get rid of the staff promoting, signing off on, or boosting Microsoft products (on both sides of the fence) and you kill off 99.9999\% percent of existing malware and virtually all vectors for botnets.  </p><p>
The economy could use a  $ 10 000 000 000 USD boost about now right?  Of course.  Get rid of Conficker and the others.  The <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=conficker+windows+malware+cost" title="google.com">savings for the first year will be more than that</a> [google.com].
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First order of business should be to clear out Redmond .
That 's where the damage comes from .
Microsoft is not a technology problem , it is a personnel problem .
Get rid of the staff promoting , signing off on , or boosting Microsoft products ( on both sides of the fence ) and you kill off 99.9999 \ % percent of existing malware and virtually all vectors for botnets .
The economy could use a $ 10 000 000 000 USD boost about now right ?
Of course .
Get rid of Conficker and the others .
The savings for the first year will be more than that [ google.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First order of business should be to clear out Redmond.
That's where the damage comes from.
Microsoft is not a technology problem, it is a personnel problem.
Get rid of the staff promoting, signing off on, or boosting Microsoft products (on both sides of the fence) and you kill off 99.9999\% percent of existing malware and virtually all vectors for botnets.
The economy could use a  $ 10 000 000 000 USD boost about now right?
Of course.
Get rid of Conficker and the others.
The savings for the first year will be more than that [google.com].
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30433500</id>
	<title>Re:This sounds like wishful thinking</title>
	<author>JWSmythe</author>
	<datestamp>1260817980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Ya, it could never happen.  The majority of nations would never agree to having a law enforcement group that could operate in any of their countries.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; But, imagine if they did.  they could call it something like "International Criminal Police Organization".  They could establish a "National Central Bureau" in each country, where national law enforcement officers of that country would work with their peers in other nations, and help fight crime around the world.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; That name is too long though.  I bet they could shorten it down.  ICPO?  Nah, "I see poo" just doesn't sound right.  Well, they're doing police work internationally, maybe they could call it "polint".  Nah, that don't have a good ring to it.  How about "Interpol".  Yes, I like that one.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and yes, that was sarcasm.  Interpol has been doing their job since 1923, and all but 8 nations are members. They do have a computer crimes unit, among many others.  They just don't take a big interest in "Someone hacked by box".  Being an international police force, they look at the bigger crimes.  Hell, you'd have a hard time getting the FBI, or even the local police interested in the one-off hack.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; The matter of extradition still applies.  You want them tried in your country, because they did something to you there.  There are all kinds of rules regarding that, which have been ashed out between the member nations over the years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>    Ya , it could never happen .
The majority of nations would never agree to having a law enforcement group that could operate in any of their countries .
    But , imagine if they did .
they could call it something like " International Criminal Police Organization " .
They could establish a " National Central Bureau " in each country , where national law enforcement officers of that country would work with their peers in other nations , and help fight crime around the world .
    That name is too long though .
I bet they could shorten it down .
ICPO ? Nah , " I see poo " just does n't sound right .
Well , they 're doing police work internationally , maybe they could call it " polint " .
Nah , that do n't have a good ring to it .
How about " Interpol " .
Yes , I like that one .
... and yes , that was sarcasm .
Interpol has been doing their job since 1923 , and all but 8 nations are members .
They do have a computer crimes unit , among many others .
They just do n't take a big interest in " Someone hacked by box " .
Being an international police force , they look at the bigger crimes .
Hell , you 'd have a hard time getting the FBI , or even the local police interested in the one-off hack .
    The matter of extradition still applies .
You want them tried in your country , because they did something to you there .
There are all kinds of rules regarding that , which have been ashed out between the member nations over the years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
    Ya, it could never happen.
The majority of nations would never agree to having a law enforcement group that could operate in any of their countries.
    But, imagine if they did.
they could call it something like "International Criminal Police Organization".
They could establish a "National Central Bureau" in each country, where national law enforcement officers of that country would work with their peers in other nations, and help fight crime around the world.
    That name is too long though.
I bet they could shorten it down.
ICPO?  Nah, "I see poo" just doesn't sound right.
Well, they're doing police work internationally, maybe they could call it "polint".
Nah, that don't have a good ring to it.
How about "Interpol".
Yes, I like that one.
... and yes, that was sarcasm.
Interpol has been doing their job since 1923, and all but 8 nations are members.
They do have a computer crimes unit, among many others.
They just don't take a big interest in "Someone hacked by box".
Being an international police force, they look at the bigger crimes.
Hell, you'd have a hard time getting the FBI, or even the local police interested in the one-off hack.
    The matter of extradition still applies.
You want them tried in your country, because they did something to you there.
There are all kinds of rules regarding that, which have been ashed out between the member nations over the years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30435150</id>
	<title>Re:This sounds like wishful thinking</title>
	<author>Montezumaa</author>
	<datestamp>1260783240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, because I give a shit what the ICJ says or does.  Just as an example, I am an United States citizen.  Here in this country, we have a document known as the U.S. Constitution.  This document is the ultimate legal document in the United States and any laws passed by the Federal Government, or various state and local government, must pass constitutional muster.  After reading over the great document, I never read once where the United States is supposed to give one shit about an international court.  Of course, I did read somewhere that the United States is a sovereign land and it is beholden to no one, except the citizenry within its borders.</p><p>Now, our current idiot president might be willing to give up control of the United States to some eurotrash group, but then the United States would end up in another civil war or have another revolutionary war.  Since I doubt Obama wants that, and since I am sure he does actually respect the job he was given(I did not vote for him, but I am behind him), then the ICJ will continue to be ranter's box.</p><p>If I do something that is legal in the United States, but illegal in country X, then what is to stop country X from trying to have me extradited under an agreement similar to the one in this article?  Other countries might be willing to become slaves to the world, but not the United States.  If someone commits a crime, according to the laws of this land, then we prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.  From fines to death sentences, justice is found everyday here; we do not need another country's assistance.</p><p>Another country could try to muscle its way into the United States to apprehend a "hacker", or someone else deemed a "criminal", but that would be seen as an invasion and well...the second amendment does have its uses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , because I give a shit what the ICJ says or does .
Just as an example , I am an United States citizen .
Here in this country , we have a document known as the U.S. Constitution. This document is the ultimate legal document in the United States and any laws passed by the Federal Government , or various state and local government , must pass constitutional muster .
After reading over the great document , I never read once where the United States is supposed to give one shit about an international court .
Of course , I did read somewhere that the United States is a sovereign land and it is beholden to no one , except the citizenry within its borders.Now , our current idiot president might be willing to give up control of the United States to some eurotrash group , but then the United States would end up in another civil war or have another revolutionary war .
Since I doubt Obama wants that , and since I am sure he does actually respect the job he was given ( I did not vote for him , but I am behind him ) , then the ICJ will continue to be ranter 's box.If I do something that is legal in the United States , but illegal in country X , then what is to stop country X from trying to have me extradited under an agreement similar to the one in this article ?
Other countries might be willing to become slaves to the world , but not the United States .
If someone commits a crime , according to the laws of this land , then we prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law .
From fines to death sentences , justice is found everyday here ; we do not need another country 's assistance.Another country could try to muscle its way into the United States to apprehend a " hacker " , or someone else deemed a " criminal " , but that would be seen as an invasion and well...the second amendment does have its uses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, because I give a shit what the ICJ says or does.
Just as an example, I am an United States citizen.
Here in this country, we have a document known as the U.S. Constitution.  This document is the ultimate legal document in the United States and any laws passed by the Federal Government, or various state and local government, must pass constitutional muster.
After reading over the great document, I never read once where the United States is supposed to give one shit about an international court.
Of course, I did read somewhere that the United States is a sovereign land and it is beholden to no one, except the citizenry within its borders.Now, our current idiot president might be willing to give up control of the United States to some eurotrash group, but then the United States would end up in another civil war or have another revolutionary war.
Since I doubt Obama wants that, and since I am sure he does actually respect the job he was given(I did not vote for him, but I am behind him), then the ICJ will continue to be ranter's box.If I do something that is legal in the United States, but illegal in country X, then what is to stop country X from trying to have me extradited under an agreement similar to the one in this article?
Other countries might be willing to become slaves to the world, but not the United States.
If someone commits a crime, according to the laws of this land, then we prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
From fines to death sentences, justice is found everyday here; we do not need another country's assistance.Another country could try to muscle its way into the United States to apprehend a "hacker", or someone else deemed a "criminal", but that would be seen as an invasion and well...the second amendment does have its uses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431670</id>
	<title>We have already laws for that.</title>
	<author>Tei</author>
	<datestamp>1260809280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If something is already illegal in a country A, we don't need more laws or services, because you can already arrest this man. If something is legal, he is allowed to do that in his country, even if that is not something other countrys like.</p><p>Also, thats not how the internet work. The internet work in "networks". If you have a problem with a student, on a university,  you call the ISP / university.   If you have a problem in other country, you contact the authorities of that other country.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If something is already illegal in a country A , we do n't need more laws or services , because you can already arrest this man .
If something is legal , he is allowed to do that in his country , even if that is not something other countrys like.Also , thats not how the internet work .
The internet work in " networks " .
If you have a problem with a student , on a university , you call the ISP / university .
If you have a problem in other country , you contact the authorities of that other country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If something is already illegal in a country A, we don't need more laws or services, because you can already arrest this man.
If something is legal, he is allowed to do that in his country, even if that is not something other countrys like.Also, thats not how the internet work.
The internet work in "networks".
If you have a problem with a student, on a university,  you call the ISP / university.
If you have a problem in other country, you contact the authorities of that other country.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431600</id>
	<title>1st action</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1260809040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>put in jail those that already taken the obvious "cyberpol" name for their own purposes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>put in jail those that already taken the obvious " cyberpol " name for their own purposes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>put in jail those that already taken the obvious "cyberpol" name for their own purposes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431728</id>
	<title>Exactly What We Need</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260809460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another International Group planning to draw its power from<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... enforcing something it probably doesn't fully understand... and punishing by means of... I'm in!</p><p>On a more serious note, is there a real life example of this concept actually working?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another International Group planning to draw its power from ... enforcing something it probably does n't fully understand... and punishing by means of... I 'm in ! On a more serious note , is there a real life example of this concept actually working ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another International Group planning to draw its power from ... enforcing something it probably doesn't fully understand... and punishing by means of... I'm in!On a more serious note, is there a real life example of this concept actually working?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431564</id>
	<title>That is just so wrong</title>
	<author>ZeroExistenZ</author>
	<datestamp>1260808860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>...is that many operate in the safe harbors of their home countries</p></div></blockquote><p>You cannot impose yourself into someone else's country as their laws differ from yours. Calling it a "safe harbor" is a bit offensive. Like you want to poke them with a stick but local law, culture and geography doesn't allow you to do what you please with "them"..?</p><p>I'll start imposing my local laws on Americans. Then complain you wont allow me to proscecute an American, on American soil, under my terms. Say, I would be an Arab (I'm not) and I consider porn-watching criminal and punishble by death. (I've had to write a report on Saudi servers of a client once, where someone downloaded porn hoping we wouldn't login on those servers. Which became locally a criminal case punishable by death. No joke.)</p><p>As long you do not have a consensus, globally or the on what "cyber criminality" is, and the severity which it should be prosecuted and make it equally enforcable (legal backing) this is impossible. Once you have this consensus, globally, there would be no "safe harbor" anymore.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...is that many operate in the safe harbors of their home countriesYou can not impose yourself into someone else 's country as their laws differ from yours .
Calling it a " safe harbor " is a bit offensive .
Like you want to poke them with a stick but local law , culture and geography does n't allow you to do what you please with " them " .. ? I 'll start imposing my local laws on Americans .
Then complain you wont allow me to proscecute an American , on American soil , under my terms .
Say , I would be an Arab ( I 'm not ) and I consider porn-watching criminal and punishble by death .
( I 've had to write a report on Saudi servers of a client once , where someone downloaded porn hoping we would n't login on those servers .
Which became locally a criminal case punishable by death .
No joke .
) As long you do not have a consensus , globally or the on what " cyber criminality " is , and the severity which it should be prosecuted and make it equally enforcable ( legal backing ) this is impossible .
Once you have this consensus , globally , there would be no " safe harbor " anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...is that many operate in the safe harbors of their home countriesYou cannot impose yourself into someone else's country as their laws differ from yours.
Calling it a "safe harbor" is a bit offensive.
Like you want to poke them with a stick but local law, culture and geography doesn't allow you to do what you please with "them"..?I'll start imposing my local laws on Americans.
Then complain you wont allow me to proscecute an American, on American soil, under my terms.
Say, I would be an Arab (I'm not) and I consider porn-watching criminal and punishble by death.
(I've had to write a report on Saudi servers of a client once, where someone downloaded porn hoping we wouldn't login on those servers.
Which became locally a criminal case punishable by death.
No joke.
)As long you do not have a consensus, globally or the on what "cyber criminality" is, and the severity which it should be prosecuted and make it equally enforcable (legal backing) this is impossible.
Once you have this consensus, globally, there would be no "safe harbor" anymore.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30431288</id>
	<title>This sounds like wishful thinking</title>
	<author>Cimexus</author>
	<datestamp>1260807780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I foresee this running into a lot of problems. I mean, we can't even get a lot of countries to agree to ICJ (International Court of Justice) jurisdiction. How are we going to get them to agree to let people physically into their countries to investigate crimes and make arrests? Ain't gonna happen<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and this kind of thing is only effective if everyone signs up without reservations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I foresee this running into a lot of problems .
I mean , we ca n't even get a lot of countries to agree to ICJ ( International Court of Justice ) jurisdiction .
How are we going to get them to agree to let people physically into their countries to investigate crimes and make arrests ?
Ai n't gon na happen ... and this kind of thing is only effective if everyone signs up without reservations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I foresee this running into a lot of problems.
I mean, we can't even get a lot of countries to agree to ICJ (International Court of Justice) jurisdiction.
How are we going to get them to agree to let people physically into their countries to investigate crimes and make arrests?
Ain't gonna happen ... and this kind of thing is only effective if everyone signs up without reservations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1431248.30433158</id>
	<title>A House of Cards made up of the pseudo-free</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260816120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This whole government thing is a house of cards, held up by weak-minded followers, greedy leaders, and a clueless and apathetic populace.  I wonder, really wonder, what a truly free human, who takes on obligations of his own free will and exercises his rights conscientiously, looks like.  Wouldn't it be nice if we had a planet full of them one day?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This whole government thing is a house of cards , held up by weak-minded followers , greedy leaders , and a clueless and apathetic populace .
I wonder , really wonder , what a truly free human , who takes on obligations of his own free will and exercises his rights conscientiously , looks like .
Would n't it be nice if we had a planet full of them one day ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This whole government thing is a house of cards, held up by weak-minded followers, greedy leaders, and a clueless and apathetic populace.
I wonder, really wonder, what a truly free human, who takes on obligations of his own free will and exercises his rights conscientiously, looks like.
Wouldn't it be nice if we had a planet full of them one day?</sentencetext>
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