<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_14_1410202</id>
	<title>"Nexus One" Is Google's Android Phone</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1260801480000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>xchg writes <i>"It's still not called the 'Google Phone,' but the Nexus One &mdash; to be made by HTC &mdash; is <a href="http://www.wiseandroid.com/NewsItem.aspx?category=News&amp;path=December&amp;itemid=13">as close as I think we're going to get</a>. The WSJ cites sources familiar with Google's plans and says that Google has designed this handset and plans to sell it directly to consumers, unlocked."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>xchg writes " It 's still not called the 'Google Phone, ' but the Nexus One    to be made by HTC    is as close as I think we 're going to get .
The WSJ cites sources familiar with Google 's plans and says that Google has designed this handset and plans to sell it directly to consumers , unlocked .
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<sentencetext>xchg writes "It's still not called the 'Google Phone,' but the Nexus One — to be made by HTC — is as close as I think we're going to get.
The WSJ cites sources familiar with Google's plans and says that Google has designed this handset and plans to sell it directly to consumers, unlocked.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431582</id>
	<title>Re:I'm so glad I bought a Droid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260808920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Now the bigger issue I have is with ATT, who while also subsidizes the phones, absolutely refuses to provide the unlock code to remove the simlock in place on their phones, even after you have completed your 2 year contractual obligation.. so if I want to switch to tmobile, I have to buy a new phone, that is absolutely bogus, and needs to be fixed, granted I have unlocked every phone I have every had, and for the most part I pay more for some unlocked devices, but thats not th epoint.</p></div><p>After the third month of your contract, tell AT&amp;T you want to take your phone with you on your upcoming trip to Europe, but that you want to unlock the phone so you can use European pre-paid SIM cards in it. They will add International Roaming to your account (drop it on the website later), and then either unlock your phone remotely or give you the number.</p><p>My grandmother had an AT&amp;T phone which I wanted to use on T-Mobile. I gave it to a friend who has AT&amp;T service, who got the unlock code and then gave it back to me.</p><p>(Submitted Anonymously to protect the guilty....<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) )</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now the bigger issue I have is with ATT , who while also subsidizes the phones , absolutely refuses to provide the unlock code to remove the simlock in place on their phones , even after you have completed your 2 year contractual obligation.. so if I want to switch to tmobile , I have to buy a new phone , that is absolutely bogus , and needs to be fixed , granted I have unlocked every phone I have every had , and for the most part I pay more for some unlocked devices , but thats not th epoint.After the third month of your contract , tell AT&amp;T you want to take your phone with you on your upcoming trip to Europe , but that you want to unlock the phone so you can use European pre-paid SIM cards in it .
They will add International Roaming to your account ( drop it on the website later ) , and then either unlock your phone remotely or give you the number.My grandmother had an AT&amp;T phone which I wanted to use on T-Mobile .
I gave it to a friend who has AT&amp;T service , who got the unlock code and then gave it back to me .
( Submitted Anonymously to protect the guilty.... : ) )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now the bigger issue I have is with ATT, who while also subsidizes the phones, absolutely refuses to provide the unlock code to remove the simlock in place on their phones, even after you have completed your 2 year contractual obligation.. so if I want to switch to tmobile, I have to buy a new phone, that is absolutely bogus, and needs to be fixed, granted I have unlocked every phone I have every had, and for the most part I pay more for some unlocked devices, but thats not th epoint.After the third month of your contract, tell AT&amp;T you want to take your phone with you on your upcoming trip to Europe, but that you want to unlock the phone so you can use European pre-paid SIM cards in it.
They will add International Roaming to your account (drop it on the website later), and then either unlock your phone remotely or give you the number.My grandmother had an AT&amp;T phone which I wanted to use on T-Mobile.
I gave it to a friend who has AT&amp;T service, who got the unlock code and then gave it back to me.
(Submitted Anonymously to protect the guilty.... :) )
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431416</id>
	<title>With the new google attitude...</title>
	<author>robinvanleeuwen</author>
	<datestamp>1260808320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe they'll eavesdrop on your calls to play personalized commercial messages at the beginning of each new call and it saves the costumer calling-costs<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)
Now would that be evil?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe they 'll eavesdrop on your calls to play personalized commercial messages at the beginning of each new call and it saves the costumer calling-costs : - ) Now would that be evil ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe they'll eavesdrop on your calls to play personalized commercial messages at the beginning of each new call and it saves the costumer calling-costs :-)
Now would that be evil?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30430842</id>
	<title>Google Phones</title>
	<author>Nate Fox</author>
	<datestamp>1260805380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because the Ion and DevOne weren'nt "Google Phones"?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because the Ion and DevOne weren'nt " Google Phones " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because the Ion and DevOne weren'nt "Google Phones"?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30430888</id>
	<title>What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Itchyeyes</author>
	<datestamp>1260805560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After reading through all the tech blog posts about this phone I fail to see what makes it such a big deal.  It runs stock Android, so on the software side there's nothing that actually sets it apart from any other Android handset on the market.  It's got some nice, next-gen hardware specs, but then again so does every other Android handset slated for a 2010 release.  Snapdragon CPUs and AMOLED displays aren't exactly proprietary technology.  In fact, the only thing about this phone that really seems to differentiate it from every other one of the dozens of Android handsets launching in 2010 is that it potentially will be branded as a Google device (oh, and the possibility that it may actually just be a dev phone and never make it to market anyways).  So can some please explain to me why exactly everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over this?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After reading through all the tech blog posts about this phone I fail to see what makes it such a big deal .
It runs stock Android , so on the software side there 's nothing that actually sets it apart from any other Android handset on the market .
It 's got some nice , next-gen hardware specs , but then again so does every other Android handset slated for a 2010 release .
Snapdragon CPUs and AMOLED displays are n't exactly proprietary technology .
In fact , the only thing about this phone that really seems to differentiate it from every other one of the dozens of Android handsets launching in 2010 is that it potentially will be branded as a Google device ( oh , and the possibility that it may actually just be a dev phone and never make it to market anyways ) .
So can some please explain to me why exactly everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After reading through all the tech blog posts about this phone I fail to see what makes it such a big deal.
It runs stock Android, so on the software side there's nothing that actually sets it apart from any other Android handset on the market.
It's got some nice, next-gen hardware specs, but then again so does every other Android handset slated for a 2010 release.
Snapdragon CPUs and AMOLED displays aren't exactly proprietary technology.
In fact, the only thing about this phone that really seems to differentiate it from every other one of the dozens of Android handsets launching in 2010 is that it potentially will be branded as a Google device (oh, and the possibility that it may actually just be a dev phone and never make it to market anyways).
So can some please explain to me why exactly everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over this?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30432262</id>
	<title>I want a new version of the G1</title>
	<author>JSBiff</author>
	<datestamp>1260812160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's lots of new Android phones coming out, but HTC seems to have dropped the ball on possibly their greatest innovation - the G1 keyboard and hinge mechanism. Most phones with slide-out keyboards had small keyboards, but the hinging mechanism HTC used for the G1 allowed them to make the keyboard something like 50 percent bigger than any other phone with a slide-out.</p><p>It seems to me that HTC needs to do a refresh of the G1, but with upgraded processor, display, Android 2.1, better camera, etc. I want the keyboard of the G1, but don't want to get stuck with older version of Android on a slower processor, with a lower-res display.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's lots of new Android phones coming out , but HTC seems to have dropped the ball on possibly their greatest innovation - the G1 keyboard and hinge mechanism .
Most phones with slide-out keyboards had small keyboards , but the hinging mechanism HTC used for the G1 allowed them to make the keyboard something like 50 percent bigger than any other phone with a slide-out.It seems to me that HTC needs to do a refresh of the G1 , but with upgraded processor , display , Android 2.1 , better camera , etc .
I want the keyboard of the G1 , but do n't want to get stuck with older version of Android on a slower processor , with a lower-res display .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's lots of new Android phones coming out, but HTC seems to have dropped the ball on possibly their greatest innovation - the G1 keyboard and hinge mechanism.
Most phones with slide-out keyboards had small keyboards, but the hinging mechanism HTC used for the G1 allowed them to make the keyboard something like 50 percent bigger than any other phone with a slide-out.It seems to me that HTC needs to do a refresh of the G1, but with upgraded processor, display, Android 2.1, better camera, etc.
I want the keyboard of the G1, but don't want to get stuck with older version of Android on a slower processor, with a lower-res display.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30430864</id>
	<title>You Nexus, huh?...</title>
	<author>Nick Novitski</author>
	<datestamp>1260805440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>...I design your camera!

Isn't it bad luck to name any advanced electronic device after a renegade robot from a work of science fiction?  I wouldn't shave with an ED-209, or drive a Lexus Bolo.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...I design your camera !
Is n't it bad luck to name any advanced electronic device after a renegade robot from a work of science fiction ?
I would n't shave with an ED-209 , or drive a Lexus Bolo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...I design your camera!
Isn't it bad luck to name any advanced electronic device after a renegade robot from a work of science fiction?
I wouldn't shave with an ED-209, or drive a Lexus Bolo.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431964</id>
	<title>Blade Runner</title>
	<author>ircharlie</author>
	<datestamp>1260810600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BTW, Nexus was the name of the project producing replicants (or androids in the book) in Blade Runner. Roy Batty was a Nexus 6.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BTW , Nexus was the name of the project producing replicants ( or androids in the book ) in Blade Runner .
Roy Batty was a Nexus 6 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BTW, Nexus was the name of the project producing replicants (or androids in the book) in Blade Runner.
Roy Batty was a Nexus 6.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431218</id>
	<title>Re:They have me sold!</title>
	<author>wc\_paladin</author>
	<datestamp>1260807420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>If they have coverage in your area, you could get on T-Mobile's "Even More Plus" plan.  It's contract free, and has no subsidized phones, so the monthly fee is a good bit less.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they have coverage in your area , you could get on T-Mobile 's " Even More Plus " plan .
It 's contract free , and has no subsidized phones , so the monthly fee is a good bit less .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they have coverage in your area, you could get on T-Mobile's "Even More Plus" plan.
It's contract free, and has no subsidized phones, so the monthly fee is a good bit less.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30430982</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30430982</id>
	<title>They have me sold!</title>
	<author>bogaboga</author>
	<datestamp>1260806160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was going to buy Motorola's Droid but I think it is sensible to wait for this one. The good thing it will be unlocked.</p><p>That said, I fear for the price tag. This beast might be in the range of US$300-400. If Google can accept a payment plan, I would jump on its bandwagon. Otherwise forking out in excess of 1,000 dollars a year with a contract at 100 dollars a month with a carrier does not make much sense in my opinion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was going to buy Motorola 's Droid but I think it is sensible to wait for this one .
The good thing it will be unlocked.That said , I fear for the price tag .
This beast might be in the range of US $ 300-400 .
If Google can accept a payment plan , I would jump on its bandwagon .
Otherwise forking out in excess of 1,000 dollars a year with a contract at 100 dollars a month with a carrier does not make much sense in my opinion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was going to buy Motorola's Droid but I think it is sensible to wait for this one.
The good thing it will be unlocked.That said, I fear for the price tag.
This beast might be in the range of US$300-400.
If Google can accept a payment plan, I would jump on its bandwagon.
Otherwise forking out in excess of 1,000 dollars a year with a contract at 100 dollars a month with a carrier does not make much sense in my opinion.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30554366</id>
	<title>'Nexus-One' unlocked</title>
	<author>dsektoparchitecture</author>
	<datestamp>1261767120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am hoping that the Google 'Nexus-One' is the Internet device  I have been waiting to be given to us. I want a truely portable device which is WiFi g/n compatable for searching the Itnternet, while also being able to be used as a portal to the Internet phone system provided through 'Skype'. I don't want any 2 year t-mobile, ATT, or Verizon contract. All I want is the ability to view the Internet with it, and use my Skype account with it through WiFi. It must also come with sufficient memory to be able to be upgraded with future Android versions for  2 to 3 years, and run fairly suffisticated programs through the Cloud. Am I really asking too much for the people over at Google Android?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am hoping that the Google 'Nexus-One ' is the Internet device I have been waiting to be given to us .
I want a truely portable device which is WiFi g/n compatable for searching the Itnternet , while also being able to be used as a portal to the Internet phone system provided through 'Skype' .
I do n't want any 2 year t-mobile , ATT , or Verizon contract .
All I want is the ability to view the Internet with it , and use my Skype account with it through WiFi .
It must also come with sufficient memory to be able to be upgraded with future Android versions for 2 to 3 years , and run fairly suffisticated programs through the Cloud .
Am I really asking too much for the people over at Google Android ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am hoping that the Google 'Nexus-One' is the Internet device  I have been waiting to be given to us.
I want a truely portable device which is WiFi g/n compatable for searching the Itnternet, while also being able to be used as a portal to the Internet phone system provided through 'Skype'.
I don't want any 2 year t-mobile, ATT, or Verizon contract.
All I want is the ability to view the Internet with it, and use my Skype account with it through WiFi.
It must also come with sufficient memory to be able to be upgraded with future Android versions for  2 to 3 years, and run fairly suffisticated programs through the Cloud.
Am I really asking too much for the people over at Google Android?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431852</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260809940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This comment is worded exactly as intended. Any lame "Fixed that for you" jokes will make my life meaningful.</p></div><p>Fixed that for you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This comment is worded exactly as intended .
Any lame " Fixed that for you " jokes will make my life meaningful.Fixed that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This comment is worded exactly as intended.
Any lame "Fixed that for you" jokes will make my life meaningful.Fixed that for you.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30430988</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431208</id>
	<title>Re:A great source of +5 comments</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260807360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most americans seem to have quite a hard time comparing prices simply because most of the time your carriers subsidize so much of the actual price.

Here are some prices from one of the cheaper web stores in Finland. Please note that these have taxes included and probably the "europeans are idiots" bonus (1 dollar = 1 euro)

iPhone 3GS 32GB - 528 euro (+ 12 month contract with "normal" prices)

iPhone 3G 8GB - 396 euro (+12 month contract with "normal" prices)

HTC Hero - 489.90 euro (no contract)

Motorola Milestone - 549.90 euro (no contract + 50 euro for localized keyboard)

Nokia N900 - 569.00 euro (no contract)

Samsung Galaxy i7500 - 489.90 euro( no contract)

Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Android - 749.90 euro (no contract)

Based on these it would seem that most top of the line phones actually cost around 500 - 600 euro (that is probably 500$-600$ in US) and even correlates pretty nicely with release schedule. Don't get the price on the Sony Ericsson, though it isn't actually out yet I think.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most americans seem to have quite a hard time comparing prices simply because most of the time your carriers subsidize so much of the actual price .
Here are some prices from one of the cheaper web stores in Finland .
Please note that these have taxes included and probably the " europeans are idiots " bonus ( 1 dollar = 1 euro ) iPhone 3GS 32GB - 528 euro ( + 12 month contract with " normal " prices ) iPhone 3G 8GB - 396 euro ( + 12 month contract with " normal " prices ) HTC Hero - 489.90 euro ( no contract ) Motorola Milestone - 549.90 euro ( no contract + 50 euro for localized keyboard ) Nokia N900 - 569.00 euro ( no contract ) Samsung Galaxy i7500 - 489.90 euro ( no contract ) Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Android - 749.90 euro ( no contract ) Based on these it would seem that most top of the line phones actually cost around 500 - 600 euro ( that is probably 500 $ -600 $ in US ) and even correlates pretty nicely with release schedule .
Do n't get the price on the Sony Ericsson , though it is n't actually out yet I think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most americans seem to have quite a hard time comparing prices simply because most of the time your carriers subsidize so much of the actual price.
Here are some prices from one of the cheaper web stores in Finland.
Please note that these have taxes included and probably the "europeans are idiots" bonus (1 dollar = 1 euro)

iPhone 3GS 32GB - 528 euro (+ 12 month contract with "normal" prices)

iPhone 3G 8GB - 396 euro (+12 month contract with "normal" prices)

HTC Hero - 489.90 euro (no contract)

Motorola Milestone - 549.90 euro (no contract + 50 euro for localized keyboard)

Nokia N900 - 569.00 euro (no contract)

Samsung Galaxy i7500 - 489.90 euro( no contract)

Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Android - 749.90 euro (no contract)

Based on these it would seem that most top of the line phones actually cost around 500 - 600 euro (that is probably 500$-600$ in US) and even correlates pretty nicely with release schedule.
Don't get the price on the Sony Ericsson, though it isn't actually out yet I think.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30434398</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Dare nMc</author>
	<datestamp>1260822480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They do, sort of.  You can't buy the nook/iphone/etc from any carrier anymore without choosing the high dollar plans (For the iphone it is a $99<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/month (not) unlimited plan last I checked.) for the entire 2 years.  You should be able to subscribe this phone to the lower plans.  I can't find any of the verizon/sprint droid phones for a cash price currently.  So this is good news.  Generally I am in some wifi area or another, and just want to start the GPS tracking... and drop the cost of paying a second network cost to verizon...<br>So a unlocked droid phone would get me nearly the same access for 1/2 the monthly fee of a locked one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They do , sort of .
You ca n't buy the nook/iphone/etc from any carrier anymore without choosing the high dollar plans ( For the iphone it is a $ 99 /month ( not ) unlimited plan last I checked .
) for the entire 2 years .
You should be able to subscribe this phone to the lower plans .
I ca n't find any of the verizon/sprint droid phones for a cash price currently .
So this is good news .
Generally I am in some wifi area or another , and just want to start the GPS tracking... and drop the cost of paying a second network cost to verizon...So a unlocked droid phone would get me nearly the same access for 1/2 the monthly fee of a locked one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They do, sort of.
You can't buy the nook/iphone/etc from any carrier anymore without choosing the high dollar plans (For the iphone it is a $99 /month (not) unlimited plan last I checked.
) for the entire 2 years.
You should be able to subscribe this phone to the lower plans.
I can't find any of the verizon/sprint droid phones for a cash price currently.
So this is good news.
Generally I am in some wifi area or another, and just want to start the GPS tracking... and drop the cost of paying a second network cost to verizon...So a unlocked droid phone would get me nearly the same access for 1/2 the monthly fee of a locked one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30434724</id>
	<title>I am the Nexus One...</title>
	<author>RevWaldo</author>
	<datestamp>1260824340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I want more battery life fucker, I ain't done!<br>
More cellphone than cellphone<br>
More cellphone than cellphone<br>
More cellphone than cellphone<br>
More cellphone than cellphone<br>
More cellphone than cellphone</htmltext>
<tokenext>I want more battery life fucker , I ai n't done !
More cellphone than cellphone More cellphone than cellphone More cellphone than cellphone More cellphone than cellphone More cellphone than cellphone</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want more battery life fucker, I ain't done!
More cellphone than cellphone
More cellphone than cellphone
More cellphone than cellphone
More cellphone than cellphone
More cellphone than cellphone</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431392</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431198</id>
	<title>Re:I'm so glad I bought a Droid</title>
	<author>bleh-of-the-huns</author>
	<datestamp>1260807300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>disclaimer: I despise verizon with a passion, and I also hate ETF's..</p><p>BUT.. I do not really see an issue with verizon upping the ETF on certain phones.  Lets look at your droid for example (other then the fact that Verizon chose to brand it in such a way as to confuse people who do not know the difference between the android OS from google which runs on multiple phones, and is not a particular phone for verizon, my wife, who is somewhat technically savvy got caught in this particular branding trap).</p><p>If you buy the GSM version of the Droid, called the Sholes/Milestone unlocked at retail, it runs around $600 to $900 depending on where you buy it.  Assuming bulk purchasing that carriers have, they probably get the phone for around $300 to $500 (total guess on my part).  Unlocked non subsidized phones are expensive, even cheap freebies you get on contract can run $200 to $300 unlocked and non subsidized.</p><p>They are subsidizing the cost of the phone early and make up the difference and profit in service, but if you cancel early, they have the potential to take a large loss on the device, hence the ETF, so in the Droids case, $350 ETF may or may not make up the amount they are subsidizing, since you only paid $199 up front, or less in some places (I vaguely remember seeing the Droid for $99, at some point).</p><p>Now the bigger issue I have is with ATT, who while also subsidizes the phones, absolutely refuses to provide the unlock code to remove the simlock in place on their phones, even after you have completed your 2 year contractual obligation.. so if I want to switch to tmobile, I have to buy a new phone, that is absolutely bogus, and needs to be fixed, granted I have unlocked every phone I have every had, and for the most part I pay more for some unlocked devices, but thats not th epoint.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>disclaimer : I despise verizon with a passion , and I also hate ETF 's..BUT.. I do not really see an issue with verizon upping the ETF on certain phones .
Lets look at your droid for example ( other then the fact that Verizon chose to brand it in such a way as to confuse people who do not know the difference between the android OS from google which runs on multiple phones , and is not a particular phone for verizon , my wife , who is somewhat technically savvy got caught in this particular branding trap ) .If you buy the GSM version of the Droid , called the Sholes/Milestone unlocked at retail , it runs around $ 600 to $ 900 depending on where you buy it .
Assuming bulk purchasing that carriers have , they probably get the phone for around $ 300 to $ 500 ( total guess on my part ) .
Unlocked non subsidized phones are expensive , even cheap freebies you get on contract can run $ 200 to $ 300 unlocked and non subsidized.They are subsidizing the cost of the phone early and make up the difference and profit in service , but if you cancel early , they have the potential to take a large loss on the device , hence the ETF , so in the Droids case , $ 350 ETF may or may not make up the amount they are subsidizing , since you only paid $ 199 up front , or less in some places ( I vaguely remember seeing the Droid for $ 99 , at some point ) .Now the bigger issue I have is with ATT , who while also subsidizes the phones , absolutely refuses to provide the unlock code to remove the simlock in place on their phones , even after you have completed your 2 year contractual obligation.. so if I want to switch to tmobile , I have to buy a new phone , that is absolutely bogus , and needs to be fixed , granted I have unlocked every phone I have every had , and for the most part I pay more for some unlocked devices , but thats not th epoint .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>disclaimer: I despise verizon with a passion, and I also hate ETF's..BUT.. I do not really see an issue with verizon upping the ETF on certain phones.
Lets look at your droid for example (other then the fact that Verizon chose to brand it in such a way as to confuse people who do not know the difference between the android OS from google which runs on multiple phones, and is not a particular phone for verizon, my wife, who is somewhat technically savvy got caught in this particular branding trap).If you buy the GSM version of the Droid, called the Sholes/Milestone unlocked at retail, it runs around $600 to $900 depending on where you buy it.
Assuming bulk purchasing that carriers have, they probably get the phone for around $300 to $500 (total guess on my part).
Unlocked non subsidized phones are expensive, even cheap freebies you get on contract can run $200 to $300 unlocked and non subsidized.They are subsidizing the cost of the phone early and make up the difference and profit in service, but if you cancel early, they have the potential to take a large loss on the device, hence the ETF, so in the Droids case, $350 ETF may or may not make up the amount they are subsidizing, since you only paid $199 up front, or less in some places (I vaguely remember seeing the Droid for $99, at some point).Now the bigger issue I have is with ATT, who while also subsidizes the phones, absolutely refuses to provide the unlock code to remove the simlock in place on their phones, even after you have completed your 2 year contractual obligation.. so if I want to switch to tmobile, I have to buy a new phone, that is absolutely bogus, and needs to be fixed, granted I have unlocked every phone I have every had, and for the most part I pay more for some unlocked devices, but thats not th epoint.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431754</id>
	<title>Nexus One</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260809520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>It has been confirmed that Nexus One is made by HTC.<br>Some pics of the beast:<br>http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/14/exclusive-first-google-phone-nexus-one-photos-android-2-1-on/<br><br>And then there's Sony Ericsson's Xperia X10 which is also a KILLER phone:<br>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m19Lu-JUW1Q<br>http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/mobilephones/overview/xperiax10#view=specifications<br>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHJExGJ4K60<br><br>Both are probably hitting the stores in January 2010.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It has been confirmed that Nexus One is made by HTC.Some pics of the beast : http : //www.engadget.com/2009/12/14/exclusive-first-google-phone-nexus-one-photos-android-2-1-on/And then there 's Sony Ericsson 's Xperia X10 which is also a KILLER phone : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = m19Lu-JUW1Qhttp : //www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/mobilephones/overview/xperiax10 # view = specificationshttp : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = bHJExGJ4K60Both are probably hitting the stores in January 2010 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has been confirmed that Nexus One is made by HTC.Some pics of the beast:http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/14/exclusive-first-google-phone-nexus-one-photos-android-2-1-on/And then there's Sony Ericsson's Xperia X10 which is also a KILLER phone:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m19Lu-JUW1Qhttp://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/mobilephones/overview/xperiax10#view=specificationshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHJExGJ4K60Both are probably hitting the stores in January 2010.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30432112</id>
	<title>Yawn</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1260811260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wake me when they get to the Nexus-6 model, especially the pleasure units.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wake me when they get to the Nexus-6 model , especially the pleasure units .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wake me when they get to the Nexus-6 model, especially the pleasure units.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30502986</id>
	<title>Re:A great source of +5 comments</title>
	<author>coresnake</author>
	<datestamp>1261306980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No root?
No keyboard?

No purchase.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No root ?
No keyboard ?
No purchase .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No root?
No keyboard?
No purchase.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30432158</id>
	<title>Re:I hope it starts a trend...</title>
	<author>nomadic</author>
	<datestamp>1260811500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>If people weren't so stupid (the world would be better off...) they would realize that most 99 year contracts you have to enter into are a way worse deal than the $500 up front for a phone- I guess it goes to many American's credit isn't real money mentality that has lead us to the financial mess we're in, but I digress. </i>
<br>
<br>
Americans do a lot of things on credit mainly because in general, credit is fairly cheap in the U.S., not really a matter of ignorance or stupidity.  Subsidized phones aren't necessarily a terrible idea, especially if your paycheck is large enough to cover that little more a month in added wireless fees, but small enough that that $500 initial investment would cause a hardship.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If people were n't so stupid ( the world would be better off... ) they would realize that most 99 year contracts you have to enter into are a way worse deal than the $ 500 up front for a phone- I guess it goes to many American 's credit is n't real money mentality that has lead us to the financial mess we 're in , but I digress .
Americans do a lot of things on credit mainly because in general , credit is fairly cheap in the U.S. , not really a matter of ignorance or stupidity .
Subsidized phones are n't necessarily a terrible idea , especially if your paycheck is large enough to cover that little more a month in added wireless fees , but small enough that that $ 500 initial investment would cause a hardship .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If people weren't so stupid (the world would be better off...) they would realize that most 99 year contracts you have to enter into are a way worse deal than the $500 up front for a phone- I guess it goes to many American's credit isn't real money mentality that has lead us to the financial mess we're in, but I digress.
Americans do a lot of things on credit mainly because in general, credit is fairly cheap in the U.S., not really a matter of ignorance or stupidity.
Subsidized phones aren't necessarily a terrible idea, especially if your paycheck is large enough to cover that little more a month in added wireless fees, but small enough that that $500 initial investment would cause a hardship.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30442508</id>
	<title>Re:A great source of +5 comments</title>
	<author>Phoghat</author>
	<datestamp>1260881340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hope you'll be very happy together, although it seems sex will be problematic</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hope you 'll be very happy together , although it seems sex will be problematic</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hope you'll be very happy together, although it seems sex will be problematic</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30435250</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>analog\_line</author>
	<datestamp>1260783960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are tons of unlocked phones out there for purchase in the US.</p><p>Most Americans, at least until recently, have looked at just one thing when choosing a phone, initial cash outlay.  They don't care about contract terms, monthly prices, or anything else.  The original, 2G iPhone sold extremely well, but that low $200 entry fee really juiced the ball and got it into the hands of the bulk of Americans.  It was the primary factor in getting one into my hands, to be sure.</p><p>Now, with the economy in shambles, and credit hard or non-existant, this may start pushing people to no-contract plans and therefore buying their phones outright.  As it happens I spent a good chunk of last night researching unlocked phones, and plans with no contract (the contract for my iPhone runs out this June) and it's not hard to find them.  The phone companies don't put them front and center, because they don't make as much money on them, but that's only to be expected.  Expecting them to give pride of place to their least profitable products ignores reality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are tons of unlocked phones out there for purchase in the US.Most Americans , at least until recently , have looked at just one thing when choosing a phone , initial cash outlay .
They do n't care about contract terms , monthly prices , or anything else .
The original , 2G iPhone sold extremely well , but that low $ 200 entry fee really juiced the ball and got it into the hands of the bulk of Americans .
It was the primary factor in getting one into my hands , to be sure.Now , with the economy in shambles , and credit hard or non-existant , this may start pushing people to no-contract plans and therefore buying their phones outright .
As it happens I spent a good chunk of last night researching unlocked phones , and plans with no contract ( the contract for my iPhone runs out this June ) and it 's not hard to find them .
The phone companies do n't put them front and center , because they do n't make as much money on them , but that 's only to be expected .
Expecting them to give pride of place to their least profitable products ignores reality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are tons of unlocked phones out there for purchase in the US.Most Americans, at least until recently, have looked at just one thing when choosing a phone, initial cash outlay.
They don't care about contract terms, monthly prices, or anything else.
The original, 2G iPhone sold extremely well, but that low $200 entry fee really juiced the ball and got it into the hands of the bulk of Americans.
It was the primary factor in getting one into my hands, to be sure.Now, with the economy in shambles, and credit hard or non-existant, this may start pushing people to no-contract plans and therefore buying their phones outright.
As it happens I spent a good chunk of last night researching unlocked phones, and plans with no contract (the contract for my iPhone runs out this June) and it's not hard to find them.
The phone companies don't put them front and center, because they don't make as much money on them, but that's only to be expected.
Expecting them to give pride of place to their least profitable products ignores reality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30430830</id>
	<title>A great source of +5 comments</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260805320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good news, if you need some +5 comments for this article, you can find them <a href="http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/09/12/13/0034219/Google-Releases-Experimental-Phone-To-Employees" title="slashdot.org">here</a> [slashdot.org]! The dupe system in action.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good news , if you need some + 5 comments for this article , you can find them here [ slashdot.org ] !
The dupe system in action .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good news, if you need some +5 comments for this article, you can find them here [slashdot.org]!
The dupe system in action.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30438220</id>
	<title>Transparency</title>
	<author>sunfly</author>
	<datestamp>1260798120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We need a more transparent system.  The subsidy during contract period in a perfect world would be spelled out, and you could see your balance dropping as it is "paid off".  Once the subsidy is up it should drop off your monthly bill.

</p><p>But this is clearly not in the carriers best interest for 2 reasons, people like to think they are getting something free, and the carriers would lose their free money once the contract is up.

</p><p>I am hoping this is a very compelling phone not sold through carriers</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We need a more transparent system .
The subsidy during contract period in a perfect world would be spelled out , and you could see your balance dropping as it is " paid off " .
Once the subsidy is up it should drop off your monthly bill .
But this is clearly not in the carriers best interest for 2 reasons , people like to think they are getting something free , and the carriers would lose their free money once the contract is up .
I am hoping this is a very compelling phone not sold through carriers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We need a more transparent system.
The subsidy during contract period in a perfect world would be spelled out, and you could see your balance dropping as it is "paid off".
Once the subsidy is up it should drop off your monthly bill.
But this is clearly not in the carriers best interest for 2 reasons, people like to think they are getting something free, and the carriers would lose their free money once the contract is up.
I am hoping this is a very compelling phone not sold through carriers</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30432296</id>
	<title>Re:I'm so glad I bought a Droid</title>
	<author>bkr1\_2k</author>
	<datestamp>1260812340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought phone companies were required by law to provide unlock codes.  Was I mistaken?  I know my wife has gotten two AT&amp;T phones unlocked over the past couple of years...  maybe she just got the nice rep.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought phone companies were required by law to provide unlock codes .
Was I mistaken ?
I know my wife has gotten two AT&amp;T phones unlocked over the past couple of years... maybe she just got the nice rep .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought phone companies were required by law to provide unlock codes.
Was I mistaken?
I know my wife has gotten two AT&amp;T phones unlocked over the past couple of years...  maybe she just got the nice rep.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431392</id>
	<title>Is it more human than human?</title>
	<author>AP31R0N</author>
	<datestamp>1260808200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or is that 5 versions away?</p><p>i'll take the Sean Young model.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or is that 5 versions away ? i 'll take the Sean Young model .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or is that 5 versions away?i'll take the Sean Young model.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30432854</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>wile\_e8</author>
	<datestamp>1260814560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The thing that got me excited about the Google phone were the initial rumors that <a href="http://gizmodo.com/5407660/screw-the-voice-plan-the-rumored-google-phone-may-be-datavoip-only" title="gizmodo.com" rel="nofollow">the phone would would be data-plan only and would use Google Voice</a> [gizmodo.com].  I don't need a smartphone enough to want to pay for the data plan on top of the voice plan, but I would have no problem doing just the data plan.  Of course, the latest rumors from this article mention the need to buy a SIM card, which makes me think it's going to be voice plan + data plan like every other smartphone I know of in this country.  My excitement level has decreased significantly as the rumors have changed from a completely new way to do data plans to the Droid with Google branding but without the price partially subsidized.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing that got me excited about the Google phone were the initial rumors that the phone would would be data-plan only and would use Google Voice [ gizmodo.com ] .
I do n't need a smartphone enough to want to pay for the data plan on top of the voice plan , but I would have no problem doing just the data plan .
Of course , the latest rumors from this article mention the need to buy a SIM card , which makes me think it 's going to be voice plan + data plan like every other smartphone I know of in this country .
My excitement level has decreased significantly as the rumors have changed from a completely new way to do data plans to the Droid with Google branding but without the price partially subsidized .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing that got me excited about the Google phone were the initial rumors that the phone would would be data-plan only and would use Google Voice [gizmodo.com].
I don't need a smartphone enough to want to pay for the data plan on top of the voice plan, but I would have no problem doing just the data plan.
Of course, the latest rumors from this article mention the need to buy a SIM card, which makes me think it's going to be voice plan + data plan like every other smartphone I know of in this country.
My excitement level has decreased significantly as the rumors have changed from a completely new way to do data plans to the Droid with Google branding but without the price partially subsidized.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30433350</id>
	<title>Re:I'm so glad I bought a Droid</title>
	<author>bleh-of-the-huns</author>
	<datestamp>1260817080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Weird, bunch of replies that have been successful, I am always nice and courteous (hell I did ISP tech support at the beginning of my career, I know what it is like on the other end of the phone), yet I get cited company policy in the few times I tried.  once was with the tilt2 (I ended up unlocking it and cooking my own rom so that became a non issue), and of course then there is the iphone, which I would have preferred to get unlocked legitimately, if that is even possible, but I jailbroke and unlocked it anyways, I used it when I went to South Africa in Mar, worked perfectly.</p><p>Maybe I am just unlucky with the CSR reps I get.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Weird , bunch of replies that have been successful , I am always nice and courteous ( hell I did ISP tech support at the beginning of my career , I know what it is like on the other end of the phone ) , yet I get cited company policy in the few times I tried .
once was with the tilt2 ( I ended up unlocking it and cooking my own rom so that became a non issue ) , and of course then there is the iphone , which I would have preferred to get unlocked legitimately , if that is even possible , but I jailbroke and unlocked it anyways , I used it when I went to South Africa in Mar , worked perfectly.Maybe I am just unlucky with the CSR reps I get .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Weird, bunch of replies that have been successful, I am always nice and courteous (hell I did ISP tech support at the beginning of my career, I know what it is like on the other end of the phone), yet I get cited company policy in the few times I tried.
once was with the tilt2 (I ended up unlocking it and cooking my own rom so that became a non issue), and of course then there is the iphone, which I would have preferred to get unlocked legitimately, if that is even possible, but I jailbroke and unlocked it anyways, I used it when I went to South Africa in Mar, worked perfectly.Maybe I am just unlucky with the CSR reps I get.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30432574</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30433168</id>
	<title>I've seen one</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260816120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Met a Google employee this weekend who had just received their new phone. I did not get to personally play with it but saw it in use. It had a slightly bigger screen than my G1, was very thin, and the UI seemed to be more responsive. They didn't know anything about the actual hardware or what the cost would be. It was running 2.1, which they said should become available on previous released Android phones soon. It had no hardware keyboard, I stopped paying close attention after that, smartphones without real keyboards sacrifice function to fashion and do not interest me. It was very stylish.<br>It seemed to basically be the T-Mobile MyTouch made thinner and faster as far as I could tell. A nice enough smartphone, but with a dozen other Android phones coming out in the next months I don't really understand why they are bothering releasing their own. Maybe they have some devious plans to become a cell phone company by flooding the market with free smartphones, or maybe they just want a customer base they can beta test the latest versions of Android on without having to deal directly with any existing carriers. Unless they've got something big planned we don't know about I can't see this phone standing out from all the other iphone inspired fashion phones out there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Met a Google employee this weekend who had just received their new phone .
I did not get to personally play with it but saw it in use .
It had a slightly bigger screen than my G1 , was very thin , and the UI seemed to be more responsive .
They did n't know anything about the actual hardware or what the cost would be .
It was running 2.1 , which they said should become available on previous released Android phones soon .
It had no hardware keyboard , I stopped paying close attention after that , smartphones without real keyboards sacrifice function to fashion and do not interest me .
It was very stylish.It seemed to basically be the T-Mobile MyTouch made thinner and faster as far as I could tell .
A nice enough smartphone , but with a dozen other Android phones coming out in the next months I do n't really understand why they are bothering releasing their own .
Maybe they have some devious plans to become a cell phone company by flooding the market with free smartphones , or maybe they just want a customer base they can beta test the latest versions of Android on without having to deal directly with any existing carriers .
Unless they 've got something big planned we do n't know about I ca n't see this phone standing out from all the other iphone inspired fashion phones out there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Met a Google employee this weekend who had just received their new phone.
I did not get to personally play with it but saw it in use.
It had a slightly bigger screen than my G1, was very thin, and the UI seemed to be more responsive.
They didn't know anything about the actual hardware or what the cost would be.
It was running 2.1, which they said should become available on previous released Android phones soon.
It had no hardware keyboard, I stopped paying close attention after that, smartphones without real keyboards sacrifice function to fashion and do not interest me.
It was very stylish.It seemed to basically be the T-Mobile MyTouch made thinner and faster as far as I could tell.
A nice enough smartphone, but with a dozen other Android phones coming out in the next months I don't really understand why they are bothering releasing their own.
Maybe they have some devious plans to become a cell phone company by flooding the market with free smartphones, or maybe they just want a customer base they can beta test the latest versions of Android on without having to deal directly with any existing carriers.
Unless they've got something big planned we don't know about I can't see this phone standing out from all the other iphone inspired fashion phones out there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431786</id>
	<title>Re:Non-phone Android?</title>
	<author>RDW</author>
	<datestamp>1260809700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here in the UK, you can currently pick up a T-mobile Pulse Android phone, and add an 8Gb micro SD card, for less than the price of the 8Gb Touch. And that's on a PAYG tariff, so there's no contract to service. Pre-paid 3G net access is only 20 GBP for 6 months on T-mobile, so there's no reason to restrict yourself to wifi either. With full phones at this sort of price, an Android PMP would have to be pretty cheap (or offer significant extra features, like a lot of storage) to be competitive. I wonder if the Touch would even exist if not for Apple's lucrative deals with the iPhone network providers? The price difference between the Touch and the PAYG iPhone (or contract iPhone with the monthly charges factored in) hardly seems justified based on the probable costs of the additional components alone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here in the UK , you can currently pick up a T-mobile Pulse Android phone , and add an 8Gb micro SD card , for less than the price of the 8Gb Touch .
And that 's on a PAYG tariff , so there 's no contract to service .
Pre-paid 3G net access is only 20 GBP for 6 months on T-mobile , so there 's no reason to restrict yourself to wifi either .
With full phones at this sort of price , an Android PMP would have to be pretty cheap ( or offer significant extra features , like a lot of storage ) to be competitive .
I wonder if the Touch would even exist if not for Apple 's lucrative deals with the iPhone network providers ?
The price difference between the Touch and the PAYG iPhone ( or contract iPhone with the monthly charges factored in ) hardly seems justified based on the probable costs of the additional components alone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here in the UK, you can currently pick up a T-mobile Pulse Android phone, and add an 8Gb micro SD card, for less than the price of the 8Gb Touch.
And that's on a PAYG tariff, so there's no contract to service.
Pre-paid 3G net access is only 20 GBP for 6 months on T-mobile, so there's no reason to restrict yourself to wifi either.
With full phones at this sort of price, an Android PMP would have to be pretty cheap (or offer significant extra features, like a lot of storage) to be competitive.
I wonder if the Touch would even exist if not for Apple's lucrative deals with the iPhone network providers?
The price difference between the Touch and the PAYG iPhone (or contract iPhone with the monthly charges factored in) hardly seems justified based on the probable costs of the additional components alone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431300</id>
	<title>Re:Non-phone Android?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260807840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Buy one of these and don't insert the SIMD chip.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Buy one of these and do n't insert the SIMD chip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Buy one of these and don't insert the SIMD chip.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431058</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431864</id>
	<title>Re:I hope it starts a trend...</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1260810060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If people weren't so stupid (the world would be better off...) they would realize that most 99 year contracts you have to enter into are a way worse deal than the $500 up front for a phone- I guess it goes to many American's credit isn't real money mentality</p> </div><p>My wife's account with Verizon recently reached the 2-year contract limit, and she decided to jump ship to AT&amp;T.  Economically, it made more sense to accept the subsidy on the handset than purchase an unlocked handset.</p><p>She wanted a Blackberry Pearl.  We priced out an unlocked one at about $250, AT&amp;T offered it at $50 with all the subsidies.  I asked about a discount for buying an unlocked phone, and was told that there was no price difference per-month for having an unlocked "bring your own" phone.</p><p>So, in return for a 2-year commitment to AT&amp;T, we got $200 off the purchase price of the phone.  If my wife decides to cancel with AT&amp;T, we'll end up paying the $200 back and have a phone that is locked to AT&amp;T, which is unfortunate, but that's the risk you take for saving money buying the handset.  At the end of two years, if she sticks with AT&amp;T, we'll have saved $200 on her phone and she can keep using it on AT&amp;T as long as she wants, or we can get it unlocked and move it to another carrier, or she can renew her contract and get a new subsidized phone.</p><p>I understand and respect the advantages of the unlocked-phone model, but the locked-phone model isn't a sign of stupidity or a lack of understanding of finances.  It's a calculated risk.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If people were n't so stupid ( the world would be better off... ) they would realize that most 99 year contracts you have to enter into are a way worse deal than the $ 500 up front for a phone- I guess it goes to many American 's credit is n't real money mentality My wife 's account with Verizon recently reached the 2-year contract limit , and she decided to jump ship to AT&amp;T .
Economically , it made more sense to accept the subsidy on the handset than purchase an unlocked handset.She wanted a Blackberry Pearl .
We priced out an unlocked one at about $ 250 , AT&amp;T offered it at $ 50 with all the subsidies .
I asked about a discount for buying an unlocked phone , and was told that there was no price difference per-month for having an unlocked " bring your own " phone.So , in return for a 2-year commitment to AT&amp;T , we got $ 200 off the purchase price of the phone .
If my wife decides to cancel with AT&amp;T , we 'll end up paying the $ 200 back and have a phone that is locked to AT&amp;T , which is unfortunate , but that 's the risk you take for saving money buying the handset .
At the end of two years , if she sticks with AT&amp;T , we 'll have saved $ 200 on her phone and she can keep using it on AT&amp;T as long as she wants , or we can get it unlocked and move it to another carrier , or she can renew her contract and get a new subsidized phone.I understand and respect the advantages of the unlocked-phone model , but the locked-phone model is n't a sign of stupidity or a lack of understanding of finances .
It 's a calculated risk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If people weren't so stupid (the world would be better off...) they would realize that most 99 year contracts you have to enter into are a way worse deal than the $500 up front for a phone- I guess it goes to many American's credit isn't real money mentality My wife's account with Verizon recently reached the 2-year contract limit, and she decided to jump ship to AT&amp;T.
Economically, it made more sense to accept the subsidy on the handset than purchase an unlocked handset.She wanted a Blackberry Pearl.
We priced out an unlocked one at about $250, AT&amp;T offered it at $50 with all the subsidies.
I asked about a discount for buying an unlocked phone, and was told that there was no price difference per-month for having an unlocked "bring your own" phone.So, in return for a 2-year commitment to AT&amp;T, we got $200 off the purchase price of the phone.
If my wife decides to cancel with AT&amp;T, we'll end up paying the $200 back and have a phone that is locked to AT&amp;T, which is unfortunate, but that's the risk you take for saving money buying the handset.
At the end of two years, if she sticks with AT&amp;T, we'll have saved $200 on her phone and she can keep using it on AT&amp;T as long as she wants, or we can get it unlocked and move it to another carrier, or she can renew her contract and get a new subsidized phone.I understand and respect the advantages of the unlocked-phone model, but the locked-phone model isn't a sign of stupidity or a lack of understanding of finances.
It's a calculated risk.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431158</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30433144</id>
	<title>Re:I'm so glad I bought a Droid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260816000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For one thing, there's no reason that the next to last month of the contract should cost &gt;$100 to break the ETF.  It should be free or nearly so by that point because they've subsidized the phone.</p><p>The way to know is that Verizon actually lets you trade out your phone on a yearly basis if you extend your contract to a new 2 full year contract again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For one thing , there 's no reason that the next to last month of the contract should cost &gt; $ 100 to break the ETF .
It should be free or nearly so by that point because they 've subsidized the phone.The way to know is that Verizon actually lets you trade out your phone on a yearly basis if you extend your contract to a new 2 full year contract again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For one thing, there's no reason that the next to last month of the contract should cost &gt;$100 to break the ETF.
It should be free or nearly so by that point because they've subsidized the phone.The way to know is that Verizon actually lets you trade out your phone on a yearly basis if you extend your contract to a new 2 full year contract again.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431198</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30432834</id>
	<title>Re:I'm so glad I bought a Droid</title>
	<author>metamatic</author>
	<datestamp>1260814500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This new phone will be GSM, so it won't work on Verizon anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This new phone will be GSM , so it wo n't work on Verizon anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This new phone will be GSM, so it won't work on Verizon anyway.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30430866</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30435220</id>
	<title>seriously?</title>
	<author>chucklebutte</author>
	<datestamp>1260783720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>How is this even news? The pic being passed around on twitter, looks 100\% like my buddies new htc phone by google running droid... So like um who cares? So google gonna release same phone that is already out but its unlocked? I can do that too! Flashing a phone, jailbreaking, unlocking whatever you wanna call it is easy and all it takes is... eh.. a GOOGLE SEARCH! lol

So why is this news?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How is this even news ?
The pic being passed around on twitter , looks 100 \ % like my buddies new htc phone by google running droid... So like um who cares ?
So google gon na release same phone that is already out but its unlocked ?
I can do that too !
Flashing a phone , jailbreaking , unlocking whatever you wan na call it is easy and all it takes is... eh.. a GOOGLE SEARCH !
lol So why is this news ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is this even news?
The pic being passed around on twitter, looks 100\% like my buddies new htc phone by google running droid... So like um who cares?
So google gonna release same phone that is already out but its unlocked?
I can do that too!
Flashing a phone, jailbreaking, unlocking whatever you wanna call it is easy and all it takes is... eh.. a GOOGLE SEARCH!
lol

So why is this news?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431902</id>
	<title>First Google</title>
	<author>Ophion</author>
	<datestamp>1260810180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have never heard of First Google, but I would not get too excited about any product from this company, as I am sure that Google soon will sue it out of existence.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have never heard of First Google , but I would not get too excited about any product from this company , as I am sure that Google soon will sue it out of existence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have never heard of First Google, but I would not get too excited about any product from this company, as I am sure that Google soon will sue it out of existence.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431588</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Itchyeyes</author>
	<datestamp>1260808980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've seen people discuss this in other places and I just don't buy it, at least not in the near term.  There are already lots of phones sold as unlocked-only in the US (see just about every smartphone made by Nokia), and carriers don't currently offer rate discounts for them simply because they're not taking advantage of the subsidy.  In order for the Nexus One to have enough force in the market to force the carrier's hand on rates for unsubsidized phones it's going to have to be tremendously successful (I'm thinking iPhone-like numbers).  The problem is that in order to do that, they have to sell the phone unsubsidized with the same rates as subsidized phones.  Which makes the cost quite a bit more than competing, subsidized phones.  Which makes it all the much harder to reach the critical mass where they can exert pressure on the carriers to cut rates.</p><p>Perhaps the Nexus is the phone that finally achieves this.  But it's nowhere near a done deal.  Even if the phone and the sales strategy were confirmed (which they aren't), it's going to take years before they have enough market force to make the carriers change their ways.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen people discuss this in other places and I just do n't buy it , at least not in the near term .
There are already lots of phones sold as unlocked-only in the US ( see just about every smartphone made by Nokia ) , and carriers do n't currently offer rate discounts for them simply because they 're not taking advantage of the subsidy .
In order for the Nexus One to have enough force in the market to force the carrier 's hand on rates for unsubsidized phones it 's going to have to be tremendously successful ( I 'm thinking iPhone-like numbers ) .
The problem is that in order to do that , they have to sell the phone unsubsidized with the same rates as subsidized phones .
Which makes the cost quite a bit more than competing , subsidized phones .
Which makes it all the much harder to reach the critical mass where they can exert pressure on the carriers to cut rates.Perhaps the Nexus is the phone that finally achieves this .
But it 's nowhere near a done deal .
Even if the phone and the sales strategy were confirmed ( which they are n't ) , it 's going to take years before they have enough market force to make the carriers change their ways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen people discuss this in other places and I just don't buy it, at least not in the near term.
There are already lots of phones sold as unlocked-only in the US (see just about every smartphone made by Nokia), and carriers don't currently offer rate discounts for them simply because they're not taking advantage of the subsidy.
In order for the Nexus One to have enough force in the market to force the carrier's hand on rates for unsubsidized phones it's going to have to be tremendously successful (I'm thinking iPhone-like numbers).
The problem is that in order to do that, they have to sell the phone unsubsidized with the same rates as subsidized phones.
Which makes the cost quite a bit more than competing, subsidized phones.
Which makes it all the much harder to reach the critical mass where they can exert pressure on the carriers to cut rates.Perhaps the Nexus is the phone that finally achieves this.
But it's nowhere near a done deal.
Even if the phone and the sales strategy were confirmed (which they aren't), it's going to take years before they have enough market force to make the carriers change their ways.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30449018</id>
	<title>Re:You Nexus, huh?...</title>
	<author>blake182</author>
	<datestamp>1260868080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would be happy to have a phone that lived for four years though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would be happy to have a phone that lived for four years though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would be happy to have a phone that lived for four years though.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30430864</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431116</id>
	<title>Get ready to be tracked even further!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260806880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With the phone, Google tracks you even further.  Probably in the future, it will tap into your voice conversation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With the phone , Google tracks you even further .
Probably in the future , it will tap into your voice conversation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the phone, Google tracks you even further.
Probably in the future, it will tap into your voice conversation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30433200</id>
	<title>Re:Confusing title</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260816240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>'Nexus One' Is First Google's Android Phone</p></div></blockquote><p>I think Taco was just making absolutely sure he got the frist post.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>'Nexus One ' Is First Google 's Android PhoneI think Taco was just making absolutely sure he got the frist post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'Nexus One' Is First Google's Android PhoneI think Taco was just making absolutely sure he got the frist post.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431090</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30436870</id>
	<title>Re:I'm so glad I bought a Droid</title>
	<author>mlts</author>
	<datestamp>1260791940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That right there is why I like T-Mobile.  After a while in a contract, their CS will most likely be kind enough to give one an unlock code, especially if one is traveling abroad.  This is a courtesy that I don't often see with other providers, and this is one reason I have stayed with them for so long.  T-Mobile is the best provider in the US to get if you have an unlocked GSM phone, want to plunk down $20 for a SIM card, and start rolling with a plan.</p><p>I REALLY hope T-Mobile gets the Milestone (GSM version of the Droid) if they don't get the Nexus One.  In the US, T-Mobile's biggest weakness is that their phones tend to be a half generation to a generation behind everyone else's.  Right now, Verizon has the Droid, Sprint has the Moment, AT&amp;T has the iPhone, and there is no real front running star of the show in T-Mobile's lineup if one is shopping for a phone first, network second.  T-Mobile needs a kick butt phone desperately.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That right there is why I like T-Mobile .
After a while in a contract , their CS will most likely be kind enough to give one an unlock code , especially if one is traveling abroad .
This is a courtesy that I do n't often see with other providers , and this is one reason I have stayed with them for so long .
T-Mobile is the best provider in the US to get if you have an unlocked GSM phone , want to plunk down $ 20 for a SIM card , and start rolling with a plan.I REALLY hope T-Mobile gets the Milestone ( GSM version of the Droid ) if they do n't get the Nexus One .
In the US , T-Mobile 's biggest weakness is that their phones tend to be a half generation to a generation behind everyone else 's .
Right now , Verizon has the Droid , Sprint has the Moment , AT&amp;T has the iPhone , and there is no real front running star of the show in T-Mobile 's lineup if one is shopping for a phone first , network second .
T-Mobile needs a kick butt phone desperately .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That right there is why I like T-Mobile.
After a while in a contract, their CS will most likely be kind enough to give one an unlock code, especially if one is traveling abroad.
This is a courtesy that I don't often see with other providers, and this is one reason I have stayed with them for so long.
T-Mobile is the best provider in the US to get if you have an unlocked GSM phone, want to plunk down $20 for a SIM card, and start rolling with a plan.I REALLY hope T-Mobile gets the Milestone (GSM version of the Droid) if they don't get the Nexus One.
In the US, T-Mobile's biggest weakness is that their phones tend to be a half generation to a generation behind everyone else's.
Right now, Verizon has the Droid, Sprint has the Moment, AT&amp;T has the iPhone, and there is no real front running star of the show in T-Mobile's lineup if one is shopping for a phone first, network second.
T-Mobile needs a kick butt phone desperately.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30433162</id>
	<title>Re:A great source of +5 comments</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260816120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Most Americans"</p><p>Fuck you.  Where's your evidence to back this statement up you fucking douche.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Most Americans " Fuck you .
Where 's your evidence to back this statement up you fucking douche .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Most Americans"Fuck you.
Where's your evidence to back this statement up you fucking douche.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431208</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30433804</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>bennomatic</author>
	<datestamp>1260819360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> This comment is worded exactly as intended<b>, although it contains inaccuracies</b>. Any lame "Fixed that for you" jokes will <b>not</b> be modded into oblivion, <b>as I have no mod rights on threads where I've posted</b>.</p></div><p>There.  Fixed that for you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This comment is worded exactly as intended , although it contains inaccuracies .
Any lame " Fixed that for you " jokes will not be modded into oblivion , as I have no mod rights on threads where I 've posted.There .
Fixed that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> This comment is worded exactly as intended, although it contains inaccuracies.
Any lame "Fixed that for you" jokes will not be modded into oblivion, as I have no mod rights on threads where I've posted.There.
Fixed that for you.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30430988</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431680</id>
	<title>Re:I'm so glad I bought a Droid</title>
	<author>chill</author>
	<datestamp>1260809340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Buy a cheap phone without 3G, because you aren't going to be able to use it on T-Mobile since the frequencies are different.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Buy a cheap phone without 3G , because you are n't going to be able to use it on T-Mobile since the frequencies are different .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Buy a cheap phone without 3G, because you aren't going to be able to use it on T-Mobile since the frequencies are different.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431198</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30434520</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>ConfusedVorlon</author>
	<datestamp>1260823200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>right - but now Google gets to show the market how they think phones should be managed.</p><p>this will have firmware updates when they are available, they'll make sure all the good apps work with it, and most important of all; it sells direct to customers unlocked.</p><p>it's just a single step in the ongoing battle over who will 'own' the customer.</p><p>the carriers think they should own everything, so they make proprietary interfaces, and insist on crazy restrictions and lockdowns (in return for a fat subsidy).</p><p>Google think the customer should be free (or at least free to connect to google services) - so they are putting out an option that doesn't have carrier restrictions, and does everything they think the phone should do.</p><p>it's kinda like Chrome. The point isn't to get everyone using Chrome. The point is to put a competitive option out there to force all the other players to move towards it. With chrome, google's aim is to get faster javascript in browsers so people can user their services. With the phone, it will be to show an open unrestricted phone that can connect to google's services well at a reasonable cost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>right - but now Google gets to show the market how they think phones should be managed.this will have firmware updates when they are available , they 'll make sure all the good apps work with it , and most important of all ; it sells direct to customers unlocked.it 's just a single step in the ongoing battle over who will 'own ' the customer.the carriers think they should own everything , so they make proprietary interfaces , and insist on crazy restrictions and lockdowns ( in return for a fat subsidy ) .Google think the customer should be free ( or at least free to connect to google services ) - so they are putting out an option that does n't have carrier restrictions , and does everything they think the phone should do.it 's kinda like Chrome .
The point is n't to get everyone using Chrome .
The point is to put a competitive option out there to force all the other players to move towards it .
With chrome , google 's aim is to get faster javascript in browsers so people can user their services .
With the phone , it will be to show an open unrestricted phone that can connect to google 's services well at a reasonable cost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>right - but now Google gets to show the market how they think phones should be managed.this will have firmware updates when they are available, they'll make sure all the good apps work with it, and most important of all; it sells direct to customers unlocked.it's just a single step in the ongoing battle over who will 'own' the customer.the carriers think they should own everything, so they make proprietary interfaces, and insist on crazy restrictions and lockdowns (in return for a fat subsidy).Google think the customer should be free (or at least free to connect to google services) - so they are putting out an option that doesn't have carrier restrictions, and does everything they think the phone should do.it's kinda like Chrome.
The point isn't to get everyone using Chrome.
The point is to put a competitive option out there to force all the other players to move towards it.
With chrome, google's aim is to get faster javascript in browsers so people can user their services.
With the phone, it will be to show an open unrestricted phone that can connect to google's services well at a reasonable cost.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30433142</id>
	<title>Re:A great source of +5 comments</title>
	<author>mathx314</author>
	<datestamp>1260816000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Except this isn't really a dupe, since the last article didn't mention that Google's apparently planning on selling this phone.  The last one just said it was a gift to employees.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Except this is n't really a dupe , since the last article did n't mention that Google 's apparently planning on selling this phone .
The last one just said it was a gift to employees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except this isn't really a dupe, since the last article didn't mention that Google's apparently planning on selling this phone.
The last one just said it was a gift to employees.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431492</id>
	<title>Re:Clash of the Titans</title>
	<author>the ReviveR</author>
	<datestamp>1260808680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I also love my N900. Too bad most americans probably won't be seeing it. There is no way any carrier will subsidize N900. <br> <br>

Why?<ul>
<li>Tethering (usb/bluetooth) - Bluetooth makes this too easy, No need for extra software, no need to even take the phone out of pocket</li><li>Loads of free apps with stuff like Star Control 2 (includes 130 Mb voice &amp; music pack) - lots of network traffic with no slice for the carrier</li><li>torrent client (Transmission) - carriers will love this<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</li><li>When you try calling someone, N900 opens a list with GSM / Skype / SMS<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/Email<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/IM for the person - Guess whether people will choose GSM or SMS if they have choice...</li><li>The same internet/video traffic that iPhone has plus then some from using apps like Google maps, other Flash stuff etc.</li>
</ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>I also love my N900 .
Too bad most americans probably wo n't be seeing it .
There is no way any carrier will subsidize N900 .
Why ? Tethering ( usb/bluetooth ) - Bluetooth makes this too easy , No need for extra software , no need to even take the phone out of pocketLoads of free apps with stuff like Star Control 2 ( includes 130 Mb voice &amp; music pack ) - lots of network traffic with no slice for the carriertorrent client ( Transmission ) - carriers will love this ; ) When you try calling someone , N900 opens a list with GSM / Skype / SMS /Email /IM for the person - Guess whether people will choose GSM or SMS if they have choice...The same internet/video traffic that iPhone has plus then some from using apps like Google maps , other Flash stuff etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also love my N900.
Too bad most americans probably won't be seeing it.
There is no way any carrier will subsidize N900.
Why?
Tethering (usb/bluetooth) - Bluetooth makes this too easy, No need for extra software, no need to even take the phone out of pocketLoads of free apps with stuff like Star Control 2 (includes 130 Mb voice &amp; music pack) - lots of network traffic with no slice for the carriertorrent client (Transmission) - carriers will love this ;)When you try calling someone, N900 opens a list with GSM / Skype / SMS /Email /IM for the person - Guess whether people will choose GSM or SMS if they have choice...The same internet/video traffic that iPhone has plus then some from using apps like Google maps, other Flash stuff etc.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431158</id>
	<title>I hope it starts a trend...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260807120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>First, I've got a Jesus Phone and love it- so I won't be making any radical switches to the Google Phone. However, I hope it's popular as hell. I hope it makes handset makers realize that they don't HAVE to sell locked phones to consumers in the U.S. If people weren't so stupid (the world would be better off...) they would realize that most 99 year contracts you have to enter into are a way worse deal than the $500 up front for a phone- I guess it goes to many American's credit isn't real money mentality that has lead us to the financial mess we're in, but I digress. By seeing the true cost of phones (if selling unlocked becomes somewhat more popular in the US) makers will then have to compete on actual prices of phones and the prices will go down. America's biggest hurdle is that half (only counting the big four wireless companies) are GSM [T-Mobile/ATT] and half are CDMA [Verizon/Sprint]. I don't know how much extra it costs, or how hard it is to support all the variations in just the US alone, but I imagine it would raise the price of a phone that was truly carrier agnostic in the US- making a $500 investment a little more palatable. If I was shopping for a phone that would be a huge selling point. That and Fieldrunners.</htmltext>
<tokenext>First , I 've got a Jesus Phone and love it- so I wo n't be making any radical switches to the Google Phone .
However , I hope it 's popular as hell .
I hope it makes handset makers realize that they do n't HAVE to sell locked phones to consumers in the U.S. If people were n't so stupid ( the world would be better off... ) they would realize that most 99 year contracts you have to enter into are a way worse deal than the $ 500 up front for a phone- I guess it goes to many American 's credit is n't real money mentality that has lead us to the financial mess we 're in , but I digress .
By seeing the true cost of phones ( if selling unlocked becomes somewhat more popular in the US ) makers will then have to compete on actual prices of phones and the prices will go down .
America 's biggest hurdle is that half ( only counting the big four wireless companies ) are GSM [ T-Mobile/ATT ] and half are CDMA [ Verizon/Sprint ] .
I do n't know how much extra it costs , or how hard it is to support all the variations in just the US alone , but I imagine it would raise the price of a phone that was truly carrier agnostic in the US- making a $ 500 investment a little more palatable .
If I was shopping for a phone that would be a huge selling point .
That and Fieldrunners .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, I've got a Jesus Phone and love it- so I won't be making any radical switches to the Google Phone.
However, I hope it's popular as hell.
I hope it makes handset makers realize that they don't HAVE to sell locked phones to consumers in the U.S. If people weren't so stupid (the world would be better off...) they would realize that most 99 year contracts you have to enter into are a way worse deal than the $500 up front for a phone- I guess it goes to many American's credit isn't real money mentality that has lead us to the financial mess we're in, but I digress.
By seeing the true cost of phones (if selling unlocked becomes somewhat more popular in the US) makers will then have to compete on actual prices of phones and the prices will go down.
America's biggest hurdle is that half (only counting the big four wireless companies) are GSM [T-Mobile/ATT] and half are CDMA [Verizon/Sprint].
I don't know how much extra it costs, or how hard it is to support all the variations in just the US alone, but I imagine it would raise the price of a phone that was truly carrier agnostic in the US- making a $500 investment a little more palatable.
If I was shopping for a phone that would be a huge selling point.
That and Fieldrunners.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431424</id>
	<title>unlcocked?  root?</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1260808380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So is that unlocked as in "you can use it with any carrier" or unlocked as in "you're allowed access to the root user account"?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So is that unlocked as in " you can use it with any carrier " or unlocked as in " you 're allowed access to the root user account " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So is that unlocked as in "you can use it with any carrier" or unlocked as in "you're allowed access to the root user account"?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30432488</id>
	<title>In the US unlocked phones are still locked down...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260813060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And it's not like an unlocked phone now can be switched to just any carrier.</p><p>It's Sprint  Verizon, maybe.  And T-Mobile  AT&amp;T, maybe.</p><p>I am not sure about how smartphone differ in this way from dumbphones, but when I tried putting various used Verizon phones on Sprint, it became clear that while the radios would work, the various software support packages from the Carriers wouldn't just accept any phone.</p><p>I've heard iPhones moved to T-mobile don't have visual voice mail.</p><p>So practically speaking, an unlocked phone is still locked down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And it 's not like an unlocked phone now can be switched to just any carrier.It 's Sprint Verizon , maybe .
And T-Mobile AT&amp;T , maybe.I am not sure about how smartphone differ in this way from dumbphones , but when I tried putting various used Verizon phones on Sprint , it became clear that while the radios would work , the various software support packages from the Carriers would n't just accept any phone.I 've heard iPhones moved to T-mobile do n't have visual voice mail.So practically speaking , an unlocked phone is still locked down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And it's not like an unlocked phone now can be switched to just any carrier.It's Sprint  Verizon, maybe.
And T-Mobile  AT&amp;T, maybe.I am not sure about how smartphone differ in this way from dumbphones, but when I tried putting various used Verizon phones on Sprint, it became clear that while the radios would work, the various software support packages from the Carriers wouldn't just accept any phone.I've heard iPhones moved to T-mobile don't have visual voice mail.So practically speaking, an unlocked phone is still locked down.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30434886</id>
	<title>cell phone vs google voice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260781920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was under the impression that the phone wasn't a cell phone... no network support, but Google's ultimate goal was to make a phone that purely ran Google Voice on wifi.  Therefore, us consumers wouldn't need a cell phone company service provider... just a handset attached to the net.</p><p>http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Google-White-Space-Broadband-By-2009-92928<br>http://gigaom.com/2008/03/20/verizon-and-att-score-in-700mhz-auction/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was under the impression that the phone was n't a cell phone... no network support , but Google 's ultimate goal was to make a phone that purely ran Google Voice on wifi .
Therefore , us consumers would n't need a cell phone company service provider... just a handset attached to the net.http : //www.dslreports.com/shownews/Google-White-Space-Broadband-By-2009-92928http : //gigaom.com/2008/03/20/verizon-and-att-score-in-700mhz-auction/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was under the impression that the phone wasn't a cell phone... no network support, but Google's ultimate goal was to make a phone that purely ran Google Voice on wifi.
Therefore, us consumers wouldn't need a cell phone company service provider... just a handset attached to the net.http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Google-White-Space-Broadband-By-2009-92928http://gigaom.com/2008/03/20/verizon-and-att-score-in-700mhz-auction/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30435518</id>
	<title>Re:Unlocked FTW</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260785460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is that US carriers don't offer a different rate for unlocked phones.  For my (not smart) phone, I pay $60/month regardless of whether I bought the phone through the carrier (at significant discount) or not.  I could spend more on an unlocked phone, but it wouldn't change the monthly cost.</p><p>The unfortunate reality is that changing the way the current US phone market works is not going to come from the handset makers.  It will require the carriers to offer discounted plans for customers with unlocked devices.  I don't think this will happen without some sort of regulatory/government intervention.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is that US carriers do n't offer a different rate for unlocked phones .
For my ( not smart ) phone , I pay $ 60/month regardless of whether I bought the phone through the carrier ( at significant discount ) or not .
I could spend more on an unlocked phone , but it would n't change the monthly cost.The unfortunate reality is that changing the way the current US phone market works is not going to come from the handset makers .
It will require the carriers to offer discounted plans for customers with unlocked devices .
I do n't think this will happen without some sort of regulatory/government intervention .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is that US carriers don't offer a different rate for unlocked phones.
For my (not smart) phone, I pay $60/month regardless of whether I bought the phone through the carrier (at significant discount) or not.
I could spend more on an unlocked phone, but it wouldn't change the monthly cost.The unfortunate reality is that changing the way the current US phone market works is not going to come from the handset makers.
It will require the carriers to offer discounted plans for customers with unlocked devices.
I don't think this will happen without some sort of regulatory/government intervention.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431866</id>
	<title>Re:They have me sold!</title>
	<author>cpscotti</author>
	<datestamp>1260810060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Have you ever heard about the n900?<br>

I dunno why everybody continues hyping around skynet's products/blockable devices.. <br>
Just go buy your n900 and enjoy pushing Ctrl+shift+x and watching xterm being launched, OTB.<br>
The one phone that you become root of your own device while within the manufacturer's grace.<br>
<br>
PS: Do I sound like a nokia fanboi? That's precisely the idea.. we have to deal with apple's and google's ones all the time.. this is my share!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you ever heard about the n900 ?
I dunno why everybody continues hyping around skynet 's products/blockable devices. . Just go buy your n900 and enjoy pushing Ctrl + shift + x and watching xterm being launched , OTB .
The one phone that you become root of your own device while within the manufacturer 's grace .
PS : Do I sound like a nokia fanboi ?
That 's precisely the idea.. we have to deal with apple 's and google 's ones all the time.. this is my share !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you ever heard about the n900?
I dunno why everybody continues hyping around skynet's products/blockable devices.. 
Just go buy your n900 and enjoy pushing Ctrl+shift+x and watching xterm being launched, OTB.
The one phone that you become root of your own device while within the manufacturer's grace.
PS: Do I sound like a nokia fanboi?
That's precisely the idea.. we have to deal with apple's and google's ones all the time.. this is my share!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30432342</id>
	<title>Another good article on this subject is here:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260812580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>
<a href="http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/google-s-nexus-one-phone-coming-in-january-2742" title="eweekeurope.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/google-s-nexus-one-phone-coming-in-january-2742</a> [eweekeurope.co.uk]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/google-s-nexus-one-phone-coming-in-january-2742 [ eweekeurope.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/google-s-nexus-one-phone-coming-in-january-2742 [eweekeurope.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30503860</id>
	<title>Re:A great source of +5 comments</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261323960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most americans seem to have quite a hard time comparing prices simply because most of the time your carriers subsidize so much of the actual price.</p><p>Here are some prices from one of the cheaper web stores in Finland. Please note that these have taxes included and probably the "europeans are idiots" bonus (1 dollar = 1 euro)</p><ul>
    <li> iPhone 3GS 32GB - 528 euro (+ 12 month contract with "normal" prices)</li>
    <li> iPhone 3G 8GB - 396 euro (+12 month contract with "normal" prices)</li>
    <li> HTC Hero - 489.90 euro (no contract)</li>
    <li> Motorola Milestone - 549.90 euro (no contract + 50 euro for localized keyboard)</li>
    <li> Nokia N900 - 569.00 euro (no contract)</li>
    <li> Samsung Galaxy i7500 - 489.90 euro( no contract)</li>
    <li> Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Android - 749.90 euro (no contract)</li>
</ul><p>Based on these it would seem that most top of the line phones actually cost around 500 - 600 euro (that is probably 500$-600$ in US) and even correlates pretty nicely with release schedule. Don't get the price on the Sony Ericsson, though it isn't actually out yet I think.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most americans seem to have quite a hard time comparing prices simply because most of the time your carriers subsidize so much of the actual price.Here are some prices from one of the cheaper web stores in Finland .
Please note that these have taxes included and probably the " europeans are idiots " bonus ( 1 dollar = 1 euro ) iPhone 3GS 32GB - 528 euro ( + 12 month contract with " normal " prices ) iPhone 3G 8GB - 396 euro ( + 12 month contract with " normal " prices ) HTC Hero - 489.90 euro ( no contract ) Motorola Milestone - 549.90 euro ( no contract + 50 euro for localized keyboard ) Nokia N900 - 569.00 euro ( no contract ) Samsung Galaxy i7500 - 489.90 euro ( no contract ) Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Android - 749.90 euro ( no contract ) Based on these it would seem that most top of the line phones actually cost around 500 - 600 euro ( that is probably 500 $ -600 $ in US ) and even correlates pretty nicely with release schedule .
Do n't get the price on the Sony Ericsson , though it is n't actually out yet I think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most americans seem to have quite a hard time comparing prices simply because most of the time your carriers subsidize so much of the actual price.Here are some prices from one of the cheaper web stores in Finland.
Please note that these have taxes included and probably the "europeans are idiots" bonus (1 dollar = 1 euro)
     iPhone 3GS 32GB - 528 euro (+ 12 month contract with "normal" prices)
     iPhone 3G 8GB - 396 euro (+12 month contract with "normal" prices)
     HTC Hero - 489.90 euro (no contract)
     Motorola Milestone - 549.90 euro (no contract + 50 euro for localized keyboard)
     Nokia N900 - 569.00 euro (no contract)
     Samsung Galaxy i7500 - 489.90 euro( no contract)
     Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Android - 749.90 euro (no contract)
Based on these it would seem that most top of the line phones actually cost around 500 - 600 euro (that is probably 500$-600$ in US) and even correlates pretty nicely with release schedule.
Don't get the price on the Sony Ericsson, though it isn't actually out yet I think.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30432168</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>hazydave</author>
	<datestamp>1260811560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, any "Google Experience" phone, like the DROID, is running "stock Android" these days.. that's at least one way to tell for certain. If this really is running HTC's home shell, then it's far more like an HTC phone than any of the other Google-branded phones so far ("Google" on the back, versus presumably "Google" on the front, if this is really to be sold under the Google brand name).</p><p>The home shell doesn't matter all that much... the apps are the same. That's where the loyalty is established. As long as the API doesn't change on a per vendor basis, this is safe. And possibly one reason most of the phone vendors are flocking to Android... they have always wanted some way to customize and "brand" their smart phones.</p><p>If the only down-side for this is a little necessary customer re-education if they change to a different home shell, it's no big deal.</p><p>And as far as hardware differences go, I'm happy to see this bullet being taken now. Android's running well on phones with keyboards, without, small screens, big screens, etc. If the iPhone or the Palm platforms are going to evolve, they're going to run across that issue soon enough, or be left behind. How many iPhone apps are hard-coded to 480x320?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , any " Google Experience " phone , like the DROID , is running " stock Android " these days.. that 's at least one way to tell for certain .
If this really is running HTC 's home shell , then it 's far more like an HTC phone than any of the other Google-branded phones so far ( " Google " on the back , versus presumably " Google " on the front , if this is really to be sold under the Google brand name ) .The home shell does n't matter all that much... the apps are the same .
That 's where the loyalty is established .
As long as the API does n't change on a per vendor basis , this is safe .
And possibly one reason most of the phone vendors are flocking to Android... they have always wanted some way to customize and " brand " their smart phones.If the only down-side for this is a little necessary customer re-education if they change to a different home shell , it 's no big deal.And as far as hardware differences go , I 'm happy to see this bullet being taken now .
Android 's running well on phones with keyboards , without , small screens , big screens , etc .
If the iPhone or the Palm platforms are going to evolve , they 're going to run across that issue soon enough , or be left behind .
How many iPhone apps are hard-coded to 480x320 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, any "Google Experience" phone, like the DROID, is running "stock Android" these days.. that's at least one way to tell for certain.
If this really is running HTC's home shell, then it's far more like an HTC phone than any of the other Google-branded phones so far ("Google" on the back, versus presumably "Google" on the front, if this is really to be sold under the Google brand name).The home shell doesn't matter all that much... the apps are the same.
That's where the loyalty is established.
As long as the API doesn't change on a per vendor basis, this is safe.
And possibly one reason most of the phone vendors are flocking to Android... they have always wanted some way to customize and "brand" their smart phones.If the only down-side for this is a little necessary customer re-education if they change to a different home shell, it's no big deal.And as far as hardware differences go, I'm happy to see this bullet being taken now.
Android's running well on phones with keyboards, without, small screens, big screens, etc.
If the iPhone or the Palm platforms are going to evolve, they're going to run across that issue soon enough, or be left behind.
How many iPhone apps are hard-coded to 480x320?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431090</id>
	<title>Confusing title</title>
	<author>lannocc</author>
	<datestamp>1260806700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe it should read <p><div class="quote"><p>'Nexus One' Is Google's First Android Phone</p></div><p>?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe it should read 'Nexus One ' Is Google 's First Android Phone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe it should read 'Nexus One' Is Google's First Android Phone?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431554</id>
	<title>Re:They have me sold!</title>
	<author>maccodemonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1260808860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"This beast might be in the range of US$300-400."</p><p>Hah. For a contract free phone? You're looking at $600-$700.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" This beast might be in the range of US $ 300-400. " Hah .
For a contract free phone ?
You 're looking at $ 600- $ 700 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"This beast might be in the range of US$300-400."Hah.
For a contract free phone?
You're looking at $600-$700.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431726</id>
	<title>What will REALLY be big news...</title>
	<author>Nerdposeur</author>
	<datestamp>1260809460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What will really be big news is when someone (probably Google or Apple) introduces a phone with something like the <a href="http://www.qualcomm.com/products\_services/chipsets/gobi.html" title="qualcomm.com">Gobi chip</a> [qualcomm.com], now being used in some netbooks. It's a "carrier-neutral" chip, so you can activate the device on whatever carrier you like - GSM or CDMA.</p><p>The only reason people buy phones from carriers is to get financing (which is what carriers' phone subsidies really are - rolling the payments into your plan and sneakily continuing them forever). If people are willing to pay up front, or if the manufacturer will finance the handset, you can buy a phone and pick your own carrier, <b>or even activate the same device on multiple carriers</b>. This would be a real game-changer, and would push the carriers further towards being dumb pipes.</p><p>I think this would be ideal: <b>make carriers compete on network quality alone, and make handset makers compete cross-carrier on handset quality alone.</b> </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What will really be big news is when someone ( probably Google or Apple ) introduces a phone with something like the Gobi chip [ qualcomm.com ] , now being used in some netbooks .
It 's a " carrier-neutral " chip , so you can activate the device on whatever carrier you like - GSM or CDMA.The only reason people buy phones from carriers is to get financing ( which is what carriers ' phone subsidies really are - rolling the payments into your plan and sneakily continuing them forever ) .
If people are willing to pay up front , or if the manufacturer will finance the handset , you can buy a phone and pick your own carrier , or even activate the same device on multiple carriers .
This would be a real game-changer , and would push the carriers further towards being dumb pipes.I think this would be ideal : make carriers compete on network quality alone , and make handset makers compete cross-carrier on handset quality alone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What will really be big news is when someone (probably Google or Apple) introduces a phone with something like the Gobi chip [qualcomm.com], now being used in some netbooks.
It's a "carrier-neutral" chip, so you can activate the device on whatever carrier you like - GSM or CDMA.The only reason people buy phones from carriers is to get financing (which is what carriers' phone subsidies really are - rolling the payments into your plan and sneakily continuing them forever).
If people are willing to pay up front, or if the manufacturer will finance the handset, you can buy a phone and pick your own carrier, or even activate the same device on multiple carriers.
This would be a real game-changer, and would push the carriers further towards being dumb pipes.I think this would be ideal: make carriers compete on network quality alone, and make handset makers compete cross-carrier on handset quality alone. </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30432490</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>hazydave</author>
	<datestamp>1260813060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's technically possible to support it as unlocked GSM, but then you have to support 850MHz, 900MHz, 1700MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz, and 2100MHz in a single phone for universal GSM... that's not usually done. Then you have to sell it with configuration information for the 3G stuff, since the networks are under no obligation to configure your phone for you, just because you connected with voice in a legal way (and have a paid corresponding data plan). This is far from automatic, at least here in the US.</p><p>CDMA isn't locked in the conventional sense, anyway. It's simply that each carrier knows the ID codes assigned to them, and they reject the addition of other phones. So unless Google (or the FCC, or Congress) can somehow convince Verizon or Sprint to start accepting non-native ID, or the CMDA vendors move to use the R-UID card standard here, this isn't going to work. They are required to unlock phones on GSM, but the CDMA guys were clever here... they're not locking the phone, they're locking the network, and far as I know, that's still legal.</p><p>Fortunately, it's not going to matter all that much longer. Everyone but Sprint is going to LTE for 4G, mostly at 700MHz here in the USA, and it's already law that this has to be open access. Verizon is supposedly going to turn LTE on in something like 30 cities next year, all at once. AT&amp;T's testing next year and rolling out LTE coverage in 2011.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's technically possible to support it as unlocked GSM , but then you have to support 850MHz , 900MHz , 1700MHz , 1800MHz , 1900MHz , and 2100MHz in a single phone for universal GSM... that 's not usually done .
Then you have to sell it with configuration information for the 3G stuff , since the networks are under no obligation to configure your phone for you , just because you connected with voice in a legal way ( and have a paid corresponding data plan ) .
This is far from automatic , at least here in the US.CDMA is n't locked in the conventional sense , anyway .
It 's simply that each carrier knows the ID codes assigned to them , and they reject the addition of other phones .
So unless Google ( or the FCC , or Congress ) can somehow convince Verizon or Sprint to start accepting non-native ID , or the CMDA vendors move to use the R-UID card standard here , this is n't going to work .
They are required to unlock phones on GSM , but the CDMA guys were clever here... they 're not locking the phone , they 're locking the network , and far as I know , that 's still legal.Fortunately , it 's not going to matter all that much longer .
Everyone but Sprint is going to LTE for 4G , mostly at 700MHz here in the USA , and it 's already law that this has to be open access .
Verizon is supposedly going to turn LTE on in something like 30 cities next year , all at once .
AT&amp;T 's testing next year and rolling out LTE coverage in 2011 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's technically possible to support it as unlocked GSM, but then you have to support 850MHz, 900MHz, 1700MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz, and 2100MHz in a single phone for universal GSM... that's not usually done.
Then you have to sell it with configuration information for the 3G stuff, since the networks are under no obligation to configure your phone for you, just because you connected with voice in a legal way (and have a paid corresponding data plan).
This is far from automatic, at least here in the US.CDMA isn't locked in the conventional sense, anyway.
It's simply that each carrier knows the ID codes assigned to them, and they reject the addition of other phones.
So unless Google (or the FCC, or Congress) can somehow convince Verizon or Sprint to start accepting non-native ID, or the CMDA vendors move to use the R-UID card standard here, this isn't going to work.
They are required to unlock phones on GSM, but the CDMA guys were clever here... they're not locking the phone, they're locking the network, and far as I know, that's still legal.Fortunately, it's not going to matter all that much longer.
Everyone but Sprint is going to LTE for 4G, mostly at 700MHz here in the USA, and it's already law that this has to be open access.
Verizon is supposedly going to turn LTE on in something like 30 cities next year, all at once.
AT&amp;T's testing next year and rolling out LTE coverage in 2011.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431012</id>
	<title>Clash of the Titans</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260806340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a Nokia N900. I love it. I also love the fact that in this newest battleground M$ is virtually meaningless.  I would love to see a movie of the N900, the Androids, and the iPhone done by Ray Harryhausen where all 3 are battling with many arms and swords against a backdrop of AT&amp;T, Verizon, and T-Mobile castles.</p><p>I say Good. The fone market is where micro computers were in the early 80's.</p><p>Innovation, and chaos!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a Nokia N900 .
I love it .
I also love the fact that in this newest battleground M $ is virtually meaningless .
I would love to see a movie of the N900 , the Androids , and the iPhone done by Ray Harryhausen where all 3 are battling with many arms and swords against a backdrop of AT&amp;T , Verizon , and T-Mobile castles.I say Good .
The fone market is where micro computers were in the early 80 's.Innovation , and chaos !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a Nokia N900.
I love it.
I also love the fact that in this newest battleground M$ is virtually meaningless.
I would love to see a movie of the N900, the Androids, and the iPhone done by Ray Harryhausen where all 3 are battling with many arms and swords against a backdrop of AT&amp;T, Verizon, and T-Mobile castles.I say Good.
The fone market is where micro computers were in the early 80's.Innovation, and chaos!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30432860</id>
	<title>Re:What will REALLY be big news...</title>
	<author>TheTrollToll</author>
	<datestamp>1260814620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>
"I think this would be ideal: make carriers compete on network quality alone, and make handset makers compete cross-carrier on handset quality alone."

I think we can all agree that is the ideal, but just how is anything that Google doing going to change that? If everyone starts paying full price up front, there's still no motivation for phone companies to bring down the (much inflated) price of their "service". If google offered a good cellphone service (and sold phones up-front) they might be able to change the status-quo. If they don't have a network they don't have a bargaining chip and the American public has no motivation because they'll be paying extra for the phone and for the service. Unlocking a phone is nice for those crazy phonophiles but for average Joe bag-a-donuts it doesn't warrant the up-front cost without extra incentive (such as lower cost plans)</htmltext>
<tokenext>" I think this would be ideal : make carriers compete on network quality alone , and make handset makers compete cross-carrier on handset quality alone .
" I think we can all agree that is the ideal , but just how is anything that Google doing going to change that ?
If everyone starts paying full price up front , there 's still no motivation for phone companies to bring down the ( much inflated ) price of their " service " .
If google offered a good cellphone service ( and sold phones up-front ) they might be able to change the status-quo .
If they do n't have a network they do n't have a bargaining chip and the American public has no motivation because they 'll be paying extra for the phone and for the service .
Unlocking a phone is nice for those crazy phonophiles but for average Joe bag-a-donuts it does n't warrant the up-front cost without extra incentive ( such as lower cost plans )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
"I think this would be ideal: make carriers compete on network quality alone, and make handset makers compete cross-carrier on handset quality alone.
"

I think we can all agree that is the ideal, but just how is anything that Google doing going to change that?
If everyone starts paying full price up front, there's still no motivation for phone companies to bring down the (much inflated) price of their "service".
If google offered a good cellphone service (and sold phones up-front) they might be able to change the status-quo.
If they don't have a network they don't have a bargaining chip and the American public has no motivation because they'll be paying extra for the phone and for the service.
Unlocking a phone is nice for those crazy phonophiles but for average Joe bag-a-donuts it doesn't warrant the up-front cost without extra incentive (such as lower cost plans)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30438218</id>
	<title>Re:I'm so glad I bought a Droid</title>
	<author>ejasons</author>
	<datestamp>1260798120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't mind their increasing the ETF.  I do, however, disagree with:</p><ul> <li>Not prorating the fee quickly enough -- the ETF is still over $100 a mere month before the end of the contract.</li><li>Charging the same monthly rate, regardless of whether or not the customer received a subsidy for their phone.</li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't mind their increasing the ETF .
I do , however , disagree with : Not prorating the fee quickly enough -- the ETF is still over $ 100 a mere month before the end of the contract.Charging the same monthly rate , regardless of whether or not the customer received a subsidy for their phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't mind their increasing the ETF.
I do, however, disagree with: Not prorating the fee quickly enough -- the ETF is still over $100 a mere month before the end of the contract.Charging the same monthly rate, regardless of whether or not the customer received a subsidy for their phone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431002</id>
	<title>Unlocked FTW</title>
	<author>ickleberry</author>
	<datestamp>1260806280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not a google fanboi by any means but this is good news for the general American public who seem to think that the only way to get a phone is to buy a locked one through a network. I havn't bought a locked phone since '99 and the small subsidy they give in order to fob you off with a crippled device is never worth it. <br> <br>

Maybe if this is marketed well there will be more of a separation between device and network. You wouldn't buy a wifi PCI-E card that is only compatible with a certain brand of AP or 'hotspot' network, so why would a phone be any different?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not a google fanboi by any means but this is good news for the general American public who seem to think that the only way to get a phone is to buy a locked one through a network .
I hav n't bought a locked phone since '99 and the small subsidy they give in order to fob you off with a crippled device is never worth it .
Maybe if this is marketed well there will be more of a separation between device and network .
You would n't buy a wifi PCI-E card that is only compatible with a certain brand of AP or 'hotspot ' network , so why would a phone be any different ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not a google fanboi by any means but this is good news for the general American public who seem to think that the only way to get a phone is to buy a locked one through a network.
I havn't bought a locked phone since '99 and the small subsidy they give in order to fob you off with a crippled device is never worth it.
Maybe if this is marketed well there will be more of a separation between device and network.
You wouldn't buy a wifi PCI-E card that is only compatible with a certain brand of AP or 'hotspot' network, so why would a phone be any different?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30432574</id>
	<title>Re:I'm so glad I bought a Droid</title>
	<author>phobos512</author>
	<datestamp>1260813420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>@bleh - That's funny that you mention problems getting the unlock code - I've had no such problems, even in the middle of a contract.  Just call them up and ask, and they give it to me.  Couldn't be more straightforward unless they were to put it on a card in the box with the phone.  Maybe you just have to be more polite?</htmltext>
<tokenext>@ bleh - That 's funny that you mention problems getting the unlock code - I 've had no such problems , even in the middle of a contract .
Just call them up and ask , and they give it to me .
Could n't be more straightforward unless they were to put it on a card in the box with the phone .
Maybe you just have to be more polite ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>@bleh - That's funny that you mention problems getting the unlock code - I've had no such problems, even in the middle of a contract.
Just call them up and ask, and they give it to me.
Couldn't be more straightforward unless they were to put it on a card in the box with the phone.
Maybe you just have to be more polite?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30432900</id>
	<title>Is it programmed to die after four years?</title>
	<author>KarmaRundi</author>
	<datestamp>1260814800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I guess after four years you'll be ready for a new phone anyway.

Let's see...in the book they were programmed to die as a failsafe. In the movie, it was a technological/biological limitation...wonder which plot they'll follow. And there are three versions of the movie. This could get confusing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess after four years you 'll be ready for a new phone anyway .
Let 's see...in the book they were programmed to die as a failsafe .
In the movie , it was a technological/biological limitation...wonder which plot they 'll follow .
And there are three versions of the movie .
This could get confusing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess after four years you'll be ready for a new phone anyway.
Let's see...in the book they were programmed to die as a failsafe.
In the movie, it was a technological/biological limitation...wonder which plot they'll follow.
And there are three versions of the movie.
This could get confusing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30432564</id>
	<title>Re:I'm so glad I bought a Droid</title>
	<author>Rob the Bold</author>
	<datestamp>1260813420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>BUT.. I do not really see an issue with verizon upping the ETF on certain phones.  Lets look at your droid for example (other then the fact that Verizon chose to brand it in such a way as to confuse people who do not know the difference between the android OS from google which runs on multiple phones, and is not a particular phone for verizon, my wife, who is somewhat technically savvy got caught in this particular branding trap).</p></div><p>As a "free market" customer, my goal is to find the best deal for myself, not to see the logic of the seller's pricing or policies.  I don't care <em>why</em> a carrier charges a large ETF, I just want to find the smallest one.  If I were a carrier, OTOH, I definitely would be explaining to my customers the reason they should just shut up and accept whatever I wanted to charge.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>If you buy the GSM version of the Droid, called the Sholes/Milestone unlocked at retail, it runs around $600 to $900 depending on where you buy it.  Assuming bulk purchasing that carriers have, they probably get the phone for around $300 to $500 (total guess on my part).  Unlocked non subsidized phones are expensive, even cheap freebies you get on contract can run $200 to $300 unlocked and non subsidized.</p></div><p>Phones equivalent to the "cheap freebies" you mention are available (e.g on ebay -- new) for under $100, some for $25-$50.  If you find eBaying a phone a little iffy and unsavory, you can get similar deals in the Amazon Marketplace.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>BUT.. I do not really see an issue with verizon upping the ETF on certain phones .
Lets look at your droid for example ( other then the fact that Verizon chose to brand it in such a way as to confuse people who do not know the difference between the android OS from google which runs on multiple phones , and is not a particular phone for verizon , my wife , who is somewhat technically savvy got caught in this particular branding trap ) .As a " free market " customer , my goal is to find the best deal for myself , not to see the logic of the seller 's pricing or policies .
I do n't care why a carrier charges a large ETF , I just want to find the smallest one .
If I were a carrier , OTOH , I definitely would be explaining to my customers the reason they should just shut up and accept whatever I wanted to charge.If you buy the GSM version of the Droid , called the Sholes/Milestone unlocked at retail , it runs around $ 600 to $ 900 depending on where you buy it .
Assuming bulk purchasing that carriers have , they probably get the phone for around $ 300 to $ 500 ( total guess on my part ) .
Unlocked non subsidized phones are expensive , even cheap freebies you get on contract can run $ 200 to $ 300 unlocked and non subsidized.Phones equivalent to the " cheap freebies " you mention are available ( e.g on ebay -- new ) for under $ 100 , some for $ 25- $ 50 .
If you find eBaying a phone a little iffy and unsavory , you can get similar deals in the Amazon Marketplace .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BUT.. I do not really see an issue with verizon upping the ETF on certain phones.
Lets look at your droid for example (other then the fact that Verizon chose to brand it in such a way as to confuse people who do not know the difference between the android OS from google which runs on multiple phones, and is not a particular phone for verizon, my wife, who is somewhat technically savvy got caught in this particular branding trap).As a "free market" customer, my goal is to find the best deal for myself, not to see the logic of the seller's pricing or policies.
I don't care why a carrier charges a large ETF, I just want to find the smallest one.
If I were a carrier, OTOH, I definitely would be explaining to my customers the reason they should just shut up and accept whatever I wanted to charge.If you buy the GSM version of the Droid, called the Sholes/Milestone unlocked at retail, it runs around $600 to $900 depending on where you buy it.
Assuming bulk purchasing that carriers have, they probably get the phone for around $300 to $500 (total guess on my part).
Unlocked non subsidized phones are expensive, even cheap freebies you get on contract can run $200 to $300 unlocked and non subsidized.Phones equivalent to the "cheap freebies" you mention are available (e.g on ebay -- new) for under $100, some for $25-$50.
If you find eBaying a phone a little iffy and unsavory, you can get similar deals in the Amazon Marketplace.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30433252</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>RealTime</author>
	<datestamp>1260816540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The TMobile "Even More Plus" plans in the U.S. do, in fact, offer lower rates because the do <b> <i>not</i> </b> subsidize a phone.  They are BYOP (bring your own phone) plans (or buy one from TMobile at regular price, with financing, etc.).</htmltext>
<tokenext>The TMobile " Even More Plus " plans in the U.S. do , in fact , offer lower rates because the do not subsidize a phone .
They are BYOP ( bring your own phone ) plans ( or buy one from TMobile at regular price , with financing , etc .
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The TMobile "Even More Plus" plans in the U.S. do, in fact, offer lower rates because the do  not  subsidize a phone.
They are BYOP (bring your own phone) plans (or buy one from TMobile at regular price, with financing, etc.
).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30430890</id>
	<title>Re:A great source of +5 comments</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260805620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd say it would be about equal to the Droid. Here's the rumors I've heard/read: - Processor speed will probably beat the droid, - HTC SenseUI will be nice, - Battery will probably be worse due to the stronger processor. - Screen should be nice an beautiful like the droid's, maybe ever more stunning. - Haven't heard anything about an LED flash like the droid's - No hardware keyboard - Sounds like T-Mobile's (weird flavor of?) GSM. - HTC Trackball v Moto'd directional pad - No discount, so looking at $300-800 ish? Full bias disclosure: I own a Droid and love it. Plan to marry it. Verizon has me by the balls in the prenup though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd say it would be about equal to the Droid .
Here 's the rumors I 've heard/read : - Processor speed will probably beat the droid , - HTC SenseUI will be nice , - Battery will probably be worse due to the stronger processor .
- Screen should be nice an beautiful like the droid 's , maybe ever more stunning .
- Have n't heard anything about an LED flash like the droid 's - No hardware keyboard - Sounds like T-Mobile 's ( weird flavor of ?
) GSM .
- HTC Trackball v Moto 'd directional pad - No discount , so looking at $ 300-800 ish ?
Full bias disclosure : I own a Droid and love it .
Plan to marry it .
Verizon has me by the balls in the prenup though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd say it would be about equal to the Droid.
Here's the rumors I've heard/read: - Processor speed will probably beat the droid, - HTC SenseUI will be nice, - Battery will probably be worse due to the stronger processor.
- Screen should be nice an beautiful like the droid's, maybe ever more stunning.
- Haven't heard anything about an LED flash like the droid's - No hardware keyboard - Sounds like T-Mobile's (weird flavor of?
) GSM.
- HTC Trackball v Moto'd directional pad - No discount, so looking at $300-800 ish?
Full bias disclosure: I own a Droid and love it.
Plan to marry it.
Verizon has me by the balls in the prenup though.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431058</id>
	<title>Non-phone Android?</title>
	<author>sootman</author>
	<datestamp>1260806580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm completely happy with my iPhone but I'd love to have a nice Android-based everything-but-the-phone device (especially with the Droid's screen), like how Apple makes the iPod touch. Does anyone make one?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm completely happy with my iPhone but I 'd love to have a nice Android-based everything-but-the-phone device ( especially with the Droid 's screen ) , like how Apple makes the iPod touch .
Does anyone make one ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm completely happy with my iPhone but I'd love to have a nice Android-based everything-but-the-phone device (especially with the Droid's screen), like how Apple makes the iPod touch.
Does anyone make one?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431280</id>
	<title>Re:Confusing title</title>
	<author>jo\_ham</author>
	<datestamp>1260807720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As an addendum, in the case of transposed words, dropping the apostrophe s would make it into a standard news headline, if a little clumsy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As an addendum , in the case of transposed words , dropping the apostrophe s would make it into a standard news headline , if a little clumsy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an addendum, in the case of transposed words, dropping the apostrophe s would make it into a standard news headline, if a little clumsy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431090</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431506</id>
	<title>Re:Non-phone Android?</title>
	<author>qortra</author>
	<datestamp>1260808740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is this what you're looking for? <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Archos-500-Internet-Tablet-Android/dp/B002NEGTOC" title="amazon.com">Archos Android PMP</a> [amazon.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this what you 're looking for ?
Archos Android PMP [ amazon.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this what you're looking for?
Archos Android PMP [amazon.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431058</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30441576</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260869460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>they also renaming google to tyrell corporation this is too funny</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>they also renaming google to tyrell corporation this is too funny</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they also renaming google to tyrell corporation this is too funny</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431210</id>
	<title>Re:They have me sold!</title>
	<author>Corporate Troll</author>
	<datestamp>1260807420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just hope they'll be selling them in Europe too.... If so, I'll be first in line.  (If the price is reasonable, which the iPhone wasn't at launch time and still isn't if you look at the plans the cellphone companies offer)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just hope they 'll be selling them in Europe too.... If so , I 'll be first in line .
( If the price is reasonable , which the iPhone was n't at launch time and still is n't if you look at the plans the cellphone companies offer )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just hope they'll be selling them in Europe too.... If so, I'll be first in line.
(If the price is reasonable, which the iPhone wasn't at launch time and still isn't if you look at the plans the cellphone companies offer)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30430982</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431306</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260807840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it has less to do with reinventing the devices, or more about reinventing the US business model of cell phone sales.</p><p>In most of the world.. basically everywhere but the US, people buy their phones, and then pick their carrier, they pay more up front (although some carriers to subsidize their phones in the rest of the world) for the devices.</p><p>That is where Google is most likely heading, we sell you the phone, you do whatever the hell you want with it, its not carrier locked, pick tmobile, pick ATT (and if they come out with a CDMA variant, hell pick sprint of verizon, although this is unlikely as most of the world uses GSM/UMTS/HSPA networks, very few use CDMA, so its a bigger market and makes sense that the Google phone will be GSM based initially), and have it it.</p><p>I am sure this will worry the carriers as they lose control over the functioning of the phone, I do not believe they care about profits from devices, and they sell those at a loss anyway and make up for it in over priced over inflated services.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it has less to do with reinventing the devices , or more about reinventing the US business model of cell phone sales.In most of the world.. basically everywhere but the US , people buy their phones , and then pick their carrier , they pay more up front ( although some carriers to subsidize their phones in the rest of the world ) for the devices.That is where Google is most likely heading , we sell you the phone , you do whatever the hell you want with it , its not carrier locked , pick tmobile , pick ATT ( and if they come out with a CDMA variant , hell pick sprint of verizon , although this is unlikely as most of the world uses GSM/UMTS/HSPA networks , very few use CDMA , so its a bigger market and makes sense that the Google phone will be GSM based initially ) , and have it it.I am sure this will worry the carriers as they lose control over the functioning of the phone , I do not believe they care about profits from devices , and they sell those at a loss anyway and make up for it in over priced over inflated services .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it has less to do with reinventing the devices, or more about reinventing the US business model of cell phone sales.In most of the world.. basically everywhere but the US, people buy their phones, and then pick their carrier, they pay more up front (although some carriers to subsidize their phones in the rest of the world) for the devices.That is where Google is most likely heading, we sell you the phone, you do whatever the hell you want with it, its not carrier locked, pick tmobile, pick ATT (and if they come out with a CDMA variant, hell pick sprint of verizon, although this is unlikely as most of the world uses GSM/UMTS/HSPA networks, very few use CDMA, so its a bigger market and makes sense that the Google phone will be GSM based initially), and have it it.I am sure this will worry the carriers as they lose control over the functioning of the phone, I do not believe they care about profits from devices, and they sell those at a loss anyway and make up for it in over priced over inflated services.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30430888</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30436074</id>
	<title>Re:Non-phone Android?</title>
	<author>nordah</author>
	<datestamp>1260788040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How about an unlocked <a href="http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/12/nook-torn-open-hacked-and-rooted/" title="wired.com" rel="nofollow">Nook?</a> [wired.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about an unlocked Nook ?
[ wired.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about an unlocked Nook?
[wired.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431058</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30430988</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>MBGMorden</author>
	<datestamp>1260806220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It runs stock Android, so on the software side there's nothing that actually sets it apart from any other Android handset on the market.</p></div><p>If it's actually running stock Android that might be what IS setting it apart.  IIRC, the majority of the Android phones are using customized UI's.  While great for trying to establish loyalty to specific phone, having all those different interfaces isn't good for trying to establish loyalty to an actual platform as Google is trying to do.  It's kinda like Redhat, SUSE, and the like all throwing their own interfaces onto Gnome.  Sure, it's nice, but for the sake of being familiar with almost any Linux box I sit down to I prefer for things to run the plain old Gnome interface instead.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It runs stock Android , so on the software side there 's nothing that actually sets it apart from any other Android handset on the market.If it 's actually running stock Android that might be what IS setting it apart .
IIRC , the majority of the Android phones are using customized UI 's .
While great for trying to establish loyalty to specific phone , having all those different interfaces is n't good for trying to establish loyalty to an actual platform as Google is trying to do .
It 's kinda like Redhat , SUSE , and the like all throwing their own interfaces onto Gnome .
Sure , it 's nice , but for the sake of being familiar with almost any Linux box I sit down to I prefer for things to run the plain old Gnome interface instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It runs stock Android, so on the software side there's nothing that actually sets it apart from any other Android handset on the market.If it's actually running stock Android that might be what IS setting it apart.
IIRC, the majority of the Android phones are using customized UI's.
While great for trying to establish loyalty to specific phone, having all those different interfaces isn't good for trying to establish loyalty to an actual platform as Google is trying to do.
It's kinda like Redhat, SUSE, and the like all throwing their own interfaces onto Gnome.
Sure, it's nice, but for the sake of being familiar with almost any Linux box I sit down to I prefer for things to run the plain old Gnome interface instead.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30432572</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260813420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sorry to burst your bubble here, but T-Mobile just started offering discounts on price plans based on whether or not you buy a subsidized phone. They are the Even More and Even More Plus plans. You can choose to buy a subsidized phone, and be locked into a 2 year contract and pay higher monthly rates, or you can buy an unlocked phone (or buy a Tmo phone in monthtly installments) and your monthly plan will be about $10-$20 less a month, and you have no annual contract.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry to burst your bubble here , but T-Mobile just started offering discounts on price plans based on whether or not you buy a subsidized phone .
They are the Even More and Even More Plus plans .
You can choose to buy a subsidized phone , and be locked into a 2 year contract and pay higher monthly rates , or you can buy an unlocked phone ( or buy a Tmo phone in monthtly installments ) and your monthly plan will be about $ 10- $ 20 less a month , and you have no annual contract .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry to burst your bubble here, but T-Mobile just started offering discounts on price plans based on whether or not you buy a subsidized phone.
They are the Even More and Even More Plus plans.
You can choose to buy a subsidized phone, and be locked into a 2 year contract and pay higher monthly rates, or you can buy an unlocked phone (or buy a Tmo phone in monthtly installments) and your monthly plan will be about $10-$20 less a month, and you have no annual contract.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431588</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30434676</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>imgod2u</author>
	<datestamp>1260824100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well there are a few reasons the current "unlocked" market doesn't work.</p><p>1. The unlocked phones are not powerful phones. People buying these types of phones are the "I'll take anything that's cheap and works" buyers. They just want something to call someone with. Obviously, to these consumers, subsidized phone + contract is better than unlocked phone that you pay for.<br>2. They only work with certain networks. As you mentioned, even when you buy an unlocked phone, you're still limited by either GSM/UTMS or CMDA.</p><p>The phone Google seems to want is not a Razr-class phone; it's an iPhone class phone. This targets people who are perfectly willing to pay $300+ for their smartphone. I know I'm one of these people. I paid $300 for an iPhone and wouldn't mind paying $400 for an unlocked one that works with any carrier.</p><p>And that brings us to the question of carrier network compatibility. Luckily, this isn't a problem anymore since Qualcomm released their universal hybrid chip that works with any network in the world. I believe it's rumored that the upcoming iPhone -- a version that'll work with Verizon -- will use this.</p><p>If Google does utilize the latest and greatest hardware and actually builds an iPhone class phone with software that matches, there will be geeks lining up to shell out multiple hundreds of dollars for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well there are a few reasons the current " unlocked " market does n't work.1 .
The unlocked phones are not powerful phones .
People buying these types of phones are the " I 'll take anything that 's cheap and works " buyers .
They just want something to call someone with .
Obviously , to these consumers , subsidized phone + contract is better than unlocked phone that you pay for.2 .
They only work with certain networks .
As you mentioned , even when you buy an unlocked phone , you 're still limited by either GSM/UTMS or CMDA.The phone Google seems to want is not a Razr-class phone ; it 's an iPhone class phone .
This targets people who are perfectly willing to pay $ 300 + for their smartphone .
I know I 'm one of these people .
I paid $ 300 for an iPhone and would n't mind paying $ 400 for an unlocked one that works with any carrier.And that brings us to the question of carrier network compatibility .
Luckily , this is n't a problem anymore since Qualcomm released their universal hybrid chip that works with any network in the world .
I believe it 's rumored that the upcoming iPhone -- a version that 'll work with Verizon -- will use this.If Google does utilize the latest and greatest hardware and actually builds an iPhone class phone with software that matches , there will be geeks lining up to shell out multiple hundreds of dollars for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well there are a few reasons the current "unlocked" market doesn't work.1.
The unlocked phones are not powerful phones.
People buying these types of phones are the "I'll take anything that's cheap and works" buyers.
They just want something to call someone with.
Obviously, to these consumers, subsidized phone + contract is better than unlocked phone that you pay for.2.
They only work with certain networks.
As you mentioned, even when you buy an unlocked phone, you're still limited by either GSM/UTMS or CMDA.The phone Google seems to want is not a Razr-class phone; it's an iPhone class phone.
This targets people who are perfectly willing to pay $300+ for their smartphone.
I know I'm one of these people.
I paid $300 for an iPhone and wouldn't mind paying $400 for an unlocked one that works with any carrier.And that brings us to the question of carrier network compatibility.
Luckily, this isn't a problem anymore since Qualcomm released their universal hybrid chip that works with any network in the world.
I believe it's rumored that the upcoming iPhone -- a version that'll work with Verizon -- will use this.If Google does utilize the latest and greatest hardware and actually builds an iPhone class phone with software that matches, there will be geeks lining up to shell out multiple hundreds of dollars for it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431588</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431378</id>
	<title>Re:Unlocked FTW</title>
	<author>alen</author>
	<datestamp>1260808140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>apple tried that with the original iphone. it was $600 and didn't require a contract although it was locked to AT&amp;T because they gave Apple $750 million to help with development. the tech media loved it and said how it was the next cool strategy. it was a colossal failure and AT&amp;T started subsidizing it a few months later</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>apple tried that with the original iphone .
it was $ 600 and did n't require a contract although it was locked to AT&amp;T because they gave Apple $ 750 million to help with development .
the tech media loved it and said how it was the next cool strategy .
it was a colossal failure and AT&amp;T started subsidizing it a few months later</tokentext>
<sentencetext>apple tried that with the original iphone.
it was $600 and didn't require a contract although it was locked to AT&amp;T because they gave Apple $750 million to help with development.
the tech media loved it and said how it was the next cool strategy.
it was a colossal failure and AT&amp;T started subsidizing it a few months later</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431002</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30440348</id>
	<title>Re:You Nexus, huh?...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260811980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>so the Nexus 6 would be indistinguishable from an iPhone...?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so the Nexus 6 would be indistinguishable from an iPhone... ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so the Nexus 6 would be indistinguishable from an iPhone...?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30430864</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30434910</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>AmberBlackCat</author>
	<datestamp>1260782040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In my opinion, what sets it apart is with this phone, not only do they get all your search, email, and website data, but they also get your full name, address, and credit card number.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In my opinion , what sets it apart is with this phone , not only do they get all your search , email , and website data , but they also get your full name , address , and credit card number .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my opinion, what sets it apart is with this phone, not only do they get all your search, email, and website data, but they also get your full name, address, and credit card number.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30430888</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30433116</id>
	<title>Music?</title>
	<author>kellyb9</author>
	<datestamp>1260815820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds stupid... but does it play music, and if so, how much storage will it have?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds stupid... but does it play music , and if so , how much storage will it have ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds stupid... but does it play music, and if so, how much storage will it have?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30432698</id>
	<title>Re:What's the big deal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260813960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>T-Mobile has plans that are cheaper and do not provide the phone subsidy.  Check out their <a href="http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/plans/Cell-Phone-Plans-Overview.aspx?WT.z\_unav=mst\_shop\_plans\_all" title="t-mobile.com" rel="nofollow">"Even More Plus"</a> [t-mobile.com] plans.  I would switch if they had coverage where I live...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>T-Mobile has plans that are cheaper and do not provide the phone subsidy .
Check out their " Even More Plus " [ t-mobile.com ] plans .
I would switch if they had coverage where I live.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>T-Mobile has plans that are cheaper and do not provide the phone subsidy.
Check out their "Even More Plus" [t-mobile.com] plans.
I would switch if they had coverage where I live...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431588</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30430866</id>
	<title>I'm so glad I bought a Droid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260805440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Locked into a 2 year contract with a hefty new early termination fee, news like this is just awesome (that was sarcasm).  This makes me wonder if the recent raise in ETF by verizon was driven by knowledge that this was coming.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Locked into a 2 year contract with a hefty new early termination fee , news like this is just awesome ( that was sarcasm ) .
This makes me wonder if the recent raise in ETF by verizon was driven by knowledge that this was coming .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Locked into a 2 year contract with a hefty new early termination fee, news like this is just awesome (that was sarcasm).
This makes me wonder if the recent raise in ETF by verizon was driven by knowledge that this was coming.</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_1410202.30431696</id>
	<title>Why wait?</title>
	<author>fortapocalypse</author>
	<datestamp>1260809340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why wait when there already devices out there running Android OS that will likely be more well-used and supported? Eris or Droid anyone (that's on Verizon)?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why wait when there already devices out there running Android OS that will likely be more well-used and supported ?
Eris or Droid anyone ( that 's on Verizon ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why wait when there already devices out there running Android OS that will likely be more well-used and supported?
Eris or Droid anyone (that's on Verizon)?</sentencetext>
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