<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_14_0142244</id>
	<title>Microsoft eOpen Site Down For Nearly a Week</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1260796140000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:maurice@@@harddata...com" rel="nofollow">mauriceh</a> writes <i>"Since Monday Dec. 7, the Microsoft eOpen license website has been mostly 'Down for Maintenance.' When we do not see this message, we still do not see most of the normal functionality. As this is Microsoft's main channel for managing and installing licenses for products such as Server, and for open license products for business, this makes the company effectively 'closed for business!' Attempts to connect to <a href="https://eopen.microsoft.com/">https://eopen.microsoft.com/</a> are redirected (after a bad certificate warning) to <a href="https://www.microsoft.com/licensing/servicecenter/sitemaintenance.html">https://www.microsoft.com/licensing/servicecenter/sitemaintenance.html</a>. For those who wish to activate Microsoft Business Solutions software need to obtain Software Registration keys, and these also can not be obtained, as the site <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/BusinessSolutions/MBSRegistration">http://www.microsoft.com/BusinessSolutions/MBSRegistration</a> does not resolve; instead one gets a Microsoft Search page. Telephone calls to their support numbers for the licensing program yield either busy signals, or a message saying one should 'call back later.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>mauriceh writes " Since Monday Dec. 7 , the Microsoft eOpen license website has been mostly 'Down for Maintenance .
' When we do not see this message , we still do not see most of the normal functionality .
As this is Microsoft 's main channel for managing and installing licenses for products such as Server , and for open license products for business , this makes the company effectively 'closed for business !
' Attempts to connect to https : //eopen.microsoft.com/ are redirected ( after a bad certificate warning ) to https : //www.microsoft.com/licensing/servicecenter/sitemaintenance.html .
For those who wish to activate Microsoft Business Solutions software need to obtain Software Registration keys , and these also can not be obtained , as the site http : //www.microsoft.com/BusinessSolutions/MBSRegistration does not resolve ; instead one gets a Microsoft Search page .
Telephone calls to their support numbers for the licensing program yield either busy signals , or a message saying one should 'call back later .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mauriceh writes "Since Monday Dec. 7, the Microsoft eOpen license website has been mostly 'Down for Maintenance.
' When we do not see this message, we still do not see most of the normal functionality.
As this is Microsoft's main channel for managing and installing licenses for products such as Server, and for open license products for business, this makes the company effectively 'closed for business!
' Attempts to connect to https://eopen.microsoft.com/ are redirected (after a bad certificate warning) to https://www.microsoft.com/licensing/servicecenter/sitemaintenance.html.
For those who wish to activate Microsoft Business Solutions software need to obtain Software Registration keys, and these also can not be obtained, as the site http://www.microsoft.com/BusinessSolutions/MBSRegistration does not resolve; instead one gets a Microsoft Search page.
Telephone calls to their support numbers for the licensing program yield either busy signals, or a message saying one should 'call back later.
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30432510</id>
	<title>Re:New licensing portal</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1260813180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Which is just another case where MS does not use community standards.  Community standards suggest that when one page is replaced with another, the first informs the user of the obsolete status, remind the user to change the bookmark, then redirect to the new page.
<p>
In MS customer service world, the old page is simply removed, and the user is left to wonder what to do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which is just another case where MS does not use community standards .
Community standards suggest that when one page is replaced with another , the first informs the user of the obsolete status , remind the user to change the bookmark , then redirect to the new page .
In MS customer service world , the old page is simply removed , and the user is left to wonder what to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which is just another case where MS does not use community standards.
Community standards suggest that when one page is replaced with another, the first informs the user of the obsolete status, remind the user to change the bookmark, then redirect to the new page.
In MS customer service world, the old page is simply removed, and the user is left to wonder what to do.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30490610</id>
	<title>Two weeks of maintenance, and ...</title>
	<author>Mister\_Belidge</author>
	<datestamp>1261164360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We are right back where we started.  Here is a good blog to follow the progress.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>//richfrombechtle.wordpress.com/2009/12/07/microsoft-volume-licensing-service-centre-vlsc/  Microsoft is a bunch of clowns.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We are right back where we started .
Here is a good blog to follow the progress .
//richfrombechtle.wordpress.com/2009/12/07/microsoft-volume-licensing-service-centre-vlsc/ Microsoft is a bunch of clowns .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We are right back where we started.
Here is a good blog to follow the progress.
//richfrombechtle.wordpress.com/2009/12/07/microsoft-volume-licensing-service-centre-vlsc/  Microsoft is a bunch of clowns.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430398</id>
	<title>Re:New licensing portal</title>
	<author>xmundt</author>
	<datestamp>1260802860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>     Greetings and Salutations...<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Hum...back in the day, when I migrated a customer from one package to another one, I had this tendency to bring up the new software, and run in parallel for a week or so.    I seem to have missed the memo about simply shutting off the old service then, at some time in the future bringing up the "new, Improved" version.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; But then, I have spent 30 years trying to actually HELP businesses make money....<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; regards<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; dave mundt</p><p>P.S.    Hey!  You kids!    Get off my #$\%^&amp;*( Lawn!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Greetings and Salutations.. .           Hum...back in the day , when I migrated a customer from one package to another one , I had this tendency to bring up the new software , and run in parallel for a week or so .
I seem to have missed the memo about simply shutting off the old service then , at some time in the future bringing up the " new , Improved " version .
              But then , I have spent 30 years trying to actually HELP businesses make money... .               regards             dave mundtP.S .
Hey ! You kids !
Get off my # $ \ % ^ &amp; * ( Lawn !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>     Greetings and Salutations...
          Hum...back in the day, when I migrated a customer from one package to another one, I had this tendency to bring up the new software, and run in parallel for a week or so.
I seem to have missed the memo about simply shutting off the old service then, at some time in the future bringing up the "new, Improved" version.
              But then, I have spent 30 years trying to actually HELP businesses make money....
              regards
            dave mundtP.S.
Hey!  You kids!
Get off my #$\%^&amp;*( Lawn!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430360</id>
	<title>Not doing enough...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260802620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bet there is a server experiencing downtime every hour somewhere in the world causing customers pain. Lets post individual stories about it ! We can get to the next +100,000 milestone in no time..<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Nah, its M$, we need to bash them !! After all we have been pointlessly hating them since over a decade without any effect on their business ! That just means we aren't doing enough ! We need EVERY story to be about them so our concentrated circle jerk of hate will have some effect !!!! MS is going to crash and burn.. any minute now !! any minute !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet there is a server experiencing downtime every hour somewhere in the world causing customers pain .
Lets post individual stories about it !
We can get to the next + 100,000 milestone in no time.. : ) Nah , its M $ , we need to bash them ! !
After all we have been pointlessly hating them since over a decade without any effect on their business !
That just means we are n't doing enough !
We need EVERY story to be about them so our concentrated circle jerk of hate will have some effect ! ! ! !
MS is going to crash and burn.. any minute now ! !
any minute !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet there is a server experiencing downtime every hour somewhere in the world causing customers pain.
Lets post individual stories about it !
We can get to the next +100,000 milestone in no time.. :)Nah, its M$, we need to bash them !!
After all we have been pointlessly hating them since over a decade without any effect on their business !
That just means we aren't doing enough !
We need EVERY story to be about them so our concentrated circle jerk of hate will have some effect !!!!
MS is going to crash and burn.. any minute now !!
any minute !</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30433706</id>
	<title>SOLUTION</title>
	<author>StuartHankins</author>
	<datestamp>1260818940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I found the solution and it works for me!!!<br> <br>The obvious solution is that you aren't reloading the page enough times. Try it, it works the 16th time!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I found the solution and it works for me ! ! !
The obvious solution is that you are n't reloading the page enough times .
Try it , it works the 16th time !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I found the solution and it works for me!!!
The obvious solution is that you aren't reloading the page enough times.
Try it, it works the 16th time!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430030</id>
	<title>Time for some free software zealotry...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260799980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do I even need to rant, or does the story make it clear why proprietary software is a problem?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do I even need to rant , or does the story make it clear why proprietary software is a problem ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do I even need to rant, or does the story make it clear why proprietary software is a problem?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430020</id>
	<title>Extended chistmas hollidy</title>
	<author>the\_arrow</author>
	<datestamp>1260799920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't worry, they will be back a couple of weeks after new year!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't worry , they will be back a couple of weeks after new year !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't worry, they will be back a couple of weeks after new year!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30431836</id>
	<title>Let me guess...</title>
	<author>bdsesq</author>
	<datestamp>1260809880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They were keeping the data on their sidekick!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They were keeping the data on their sidekick !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They were keeping the data on their sidekick!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430436</id>
	<title>One thing which hasn't been mentioned yet</title>
	<author>jimicus</author>
	<datestamp>1260803040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft are trying to rationalise how their licensing works.  Historically, they've had a myriad of different websites you had to use depending on if you have an Open Subscription License, an Open Value License, an MSDN license or a license that you made up yourself with a box of magic markers and a sheet of paper.</p><p>They're certainly trying to merge Subscription and Open Value right now - I recently purchased a few licenses on the OVS plan (the website for which is being shut down) and I'm having trouble accessing them on the "new" system.</p><p>This isn't another "gosh how fragile everything is" story.  This is a bog standard "some f*ckwit decided to go live with the new system without testing it properly" story.  The only eyebrow-raising part is that you would expect Microsoft to have a whole brace of plan Bs in place at the drop of a hat for just such an occurrence.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft are trying to rationalise how their licensing works .
Historically , they 've had a myriad of different websites you had to use depending on if you have an Open Subscription License , an Open Value License , an MSDN license or a license that you made up yourself with a box of magic markers and a sheet of paper.They 're certainly trying to merge Subscription and Open Value right now - I recently purchased a few licenses on the OVS plan ( the website for which is being shut down ) and I 'm having trouble accessing them on the " new " system.This is n't another " gosh how fragile everything is " story .
This is a bog standard " some f * ckwit decided to go live with the new system without testing it properly " story .
The only eyebrow-raising part is that you would expect Microsoft to have a whole brace of plan Bs in place at the drop of a hat for just such an occurrence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft are trying to rationalise how their licensing works.
Historically, they've had a myriad of different websites you had to use depending on if you have an Open Subscription License, an Open Value License, an MSDN license or a license that you made up yourself with a box of magic markers and a sheet of paper.They're certainly trying to merge Subscription and Open Value right now - I recently purchased a few licenses on the OVS plan (the website for which is being shut down) and I'm having trouble accessing them on the "new" system.This isn't another "gosh how fragile everything is" story.
This is a bog standard "some f*ckwit decided to go live with the new system without testing it properly" story.
The only eyebrow-raising part is that you would expect Microsoft to have a whole brace of plan Bs in place at the drop of a hat for just such an occurrence.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430136</id>
	<title>I would have posted first</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260800880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>but somehow I couldn't get a license<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but somehow I could n't get a license : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but somehow I couldn't get a license :(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430130</id>
	<title>global conspiracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260800880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems like a global conspiracy, or basically just downright bad management.<br>Other big players have problems with hardware distribution. For example Cisco has now over 4 month lead times on some common hardware, like it's datacenter Catalyst 4948.<br>And now this...<br>Also consider that my NetGear NAS has also been moved to backorder, because there is not one piece in my country and no supplier is able to get it.</p><p>It almost looks like businesses does not want to make money anymore.<br>Maybe in all the commotion, they cut their workforce so much, that they are not able to sustain critical business components.</p><p>Just deepens the crisis...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems like a global conspiracy , or basically just downright bad management.Other big players have problems with hardware distribution .
For example Cisco has now over 4 month lead times on some common hardware , like it 's datacenter Catalyst 4948.And now this...Also consider that my NetGear NAS has also been moved to backorder , because there is not one piece in my country and no supplier is able to get it.It almost looks like businesses does not want to make money anymore.Maybe in all the commotion , they cut their workforce so much , that they are not able to sustain critical business components.Just deepens the crisis.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems like a global conspiracy, or basically just downright bad management.Other big players have problems with hardware distribution.
For example Cisco has now over 4 month lead times on some common hardware, like it's datacenter Catalyst 4948.And now this...Also consider that my NetGear NAS has also been moved to backorder, because there is not one piece in my country and no supplier is able to get it.It almost looks like businesses does not want to make money anymore.Maybe in all the commotion, they cut their workforce so much, that they are not able to sustain critical business components.Just deepens the crisis...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30462894</id>
	<title>Re:New licensing portal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259658540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Uhhh Yea, I meant to do that!!!!!<br>Problem is I checked the website yesterday and they said they would be back up today.  Now i check today and it says it will be back up tomorrow.  i see a slippery slope here!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uhhh Yea , I meant to do that ! ! ! !
! Problem is I checked the website yesterday and they said they would be back up today .
Now i check today and it says it will be back up tomorrow .
i see a slippery slope here !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uhhh Yea, I meant to do that!!!!
!Problem is I checked the website yesterday and they said they would be back up today.
Now i check today and it says it will be back up tomorrow.
i see a slippery slope here!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430500</id>
	<title>Not News</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260803640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They've been planning to replace eOpen for months. If you had viewed the warning message in red text at the top of the eOpen page since November 1st, you would know this.</p><p>Also, the volume licensing site is usually down on weekends for "maintenance" even though it seems like it's to deter piracy in the form of IT licensing admins logging in from home and downloading software. I don't think I've ever been able to connect to it from a Time Warner home cable connection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 've been planning to replace eOpen for months .
If you had viewed the warning message in red text at the top of the eOpen page since November 1st , you would know this.Also , the volume licensing site is usually down on weekends for " maintenance " even though it seems like it 's to deter piracy in the form of IT licensing admins logging in from home and downloading software .
I do n't think I 've ever been able to connect to it from a Time Warner home cable connection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They've been planning to replace eOpen for months.
If you had viewed the warning message in red text at the top of the eOpen page since November 1st, you would know this.Also, the volume licensing site is usually down on weekends for "maintenance" even though it seems like it's to deter piracy in the form of IT licensing admins logging in from home and downloading software.
I don't think I've ever been able to connect to it from a Time Warner home cable connection.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430678</id>
	<title>It was useless anyway</title>
	<author>myxiplx</author>
	<datestamp>1260804600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As one of their ideal customers, we used to make a lot of use of eOpen.  We registered all our licences on there, and it was nice, a single portal to track all of our Microsoft licences and upgrade rights.</p><p>Then we left it without logging on for a while (after all, it was all working fine), and the next time we tried to use it we discovered Microsoft had wiped *ALL* of our licence information that we had painstakingly entered into their site.</p><p>Turns out that they linked the accounts to Live, and that your account expires if you don't use it for 90 days.</p><p>Handy that for corporate account licence management, and strangely enough we haven't used it since.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As one of their ideal customers , we used to make a lot of use of eOpen .
We registered all our licences on there , and it was nice , a single portal to track all of our Microsoft licences and upgrade rights.Then we left it without logging on for a while ( after all , it was all working fine ) , and the next time we tried to use it we discovered Microsoft had wiped * ALL * of our licence information that we had painstakingly entered into their site.Turns out that they linked the accounts to Live , and that your account expires if you do n't use it for 90 days.Handy that for corporate account licence management , and strangely enough we have n't used it since .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As one of their ideal customers, we used to make a lot of use of eOpen.
We registered all our licences on there, and it was nice, a single portal to track all of our Microsoft licences and upgrade rights.Then we left it without logging on for a while (after all, it was all working fine), and the next time we tried to use it we discovered Microsoft had wiped *ALL* of our licence information that we had painstakingly entered into their site.Turns out that they linked the accounts to Live, and that your account expires if you don't use it for 90 days.Handy that for corporate account licence management, and strangely enough we haven't used it since.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430238</id>
	<title>Typical...</title>
	<author>Lorien\_the\_first\_one</author>
	<datestamp>1260801660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just a private monopoly in progress.
<br> <br>
In Microsoft's fantasy world, everyone is dependent on them.  Everyone uses Microsoft operating systems, applications, and development tools. There is simply no competition.
<br> <br>
Hence the busy signals.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just a private monopoly in progress .
In Microsoft 's fantasy world , everyone is dependent on them .
Everyone uses Microsoft operating systems , applications , and development tools .
There is simply no competition .
Hence the busy signals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just a private monopoly in progress.
In Microsoft's fantasy world, everyone is dependent on them.
Everyone uses Microsoft operating systems, applications, and development tools.
There is simply no competition.
Hence the busy signals.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430326</id>
	<title>Oh give them a break.</title>
	<author>MyLongNickName</author>
	<datestamp>1260802380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It isn't like they are a technology company or something.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is n't like they are a technology company or something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It isn't like they are a technology company or something.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430190</id>
	<title>Take these failures as a warning!</title>
	<author>xmundt</author>
	<datestamp>1260801360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>     Greetings and Salutations.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; This is the last of a number of massive infrastructure failures in the past few months.  The issues with Gmail, T-Mobile, SwissDisk, etc and this should be a warning that the computing infrastructure is becoming baroquely fragile.     Fragility and unreliability in the basic tools necessary to keep a business running are hard to deal with in good economic times.  With the current, VERY stressed situation, it could easily cause marginal businesses to go toes up, throwing many more people out of work, and having a ripple effect that pushes hundreds of other support businesses closer to the edge.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I would suggest that, instead of the creeping featuritis that has been so popular with software for the past decade that the focus should change towards making the foundations more secure, and, less likely to fail.  Among other things, this WOULD require stopping this insane focus on having software "phone home" all the time, and, fail if it is unable to contact the appropriate servers.   Another big step would be to focus back on quality of software rather than flashy features.   There really should be no reason today for a piece of software to be exploited by a simple buffer overflow.   The principles of excellent programming have been known and studied for 50 or more years now, and, should be fairly well understood.   You MIGHT have heard of this fellow by the name of Knuth...he has said a thoughtful thing or two on the subject, and, it might well be worth reading some of his writings.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; More later<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Dave Mundt</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Greetings and Salutations .
          This is the last of a number of massive infrastructure failures in the past few months .
The issues with Gmail , T-Mobile , SwissDisk , etc and this should be a warning that the computing infrastructure is becoming baroquely fragile .
Fragility and unreliability in the basic tools necessary to keep a business running are hard to deal with in good economic times .
With the current , VERY stressed situation , it could easily cause marginal businesses to go toes up , throwing many more people out of work , and having a ripple effect that pushes hundreds of other support businesses closer to the edge .
          I would suggest that , instead of the creeping featuritis that has been so popular with software for the past decade that the focus should change towards making the foundations more secure , and , less likely to fail .
Among other things , this WOULD require stopping this insane focus on having software " phone home " all the time , and , fail if it is unable to contact the appropriate servers .
Another big step would be to focus back on quality of software rather than flashy features .
There really should be no reason today for a piece of software to be exploited by a simple buffer overflow .
The principles of excellent programming have been known and studied for 50 or more years now , and , should be fairly well understood .
You MIGHT have heard of this fellow by the name of Knuth...he has said a thoughtful thing or two on the subject , and , it might well be worth reading some of his writings .
            More later             Dave Mundt</tokentext>
<sentencetext>     Greetings and Salutations.
          This is the last of a number of massive infrastructure failures in the past few months.
The issues with Gmail, T-Mobile, SwissDisk, etc and this should be a warning that the computing infrastructure is becoming baroquely fragile.
Fragility and unreliability in the basic tools necessary to keep a business running are hard to deal with in good economic times.
With the current, VERY stressed situation, it could easily cause marginal businesses to go toes up, throwing many more people out of work, and having a ripple effect that pushes hundreds of other support businesses closer to the edge.
          I would suggest that, instead of the creeping featuritis that has been so popular with software for the past decade that the focus should change towards making the foundations more secure, and, less likely to fail.
Among other things, this WOULD require stopping this insane focus on having software "phone home" all the time, and, fail if it is unable to contact the appropriate servers.
Another big step would be to focus back on quality of software rather than flashy features.
There really should be no reason today for a piece of software to be exploited by a simple buffer overflow.
The principles of excellent programming have been known and studied for 50 or more years now, and, should be fairly well understood.
You MIGHT have heard of this fellow by the name of Knuth...he has said a thoughtful thing or two on the subject, and, it might well be worth reading some of his writings.
            More later
            Dave Mundt</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30431278</id>
	<title>Re:Extended chistmas hollidy</title>
	<author>MightyMartian</author>
	<datestamp>1260807720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The site, or portions thereof, are down damned near every time I go to use it.  Microsoft's own web services suck very badly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The site , or portions thereof , are down damned near every time I go to use it .
Microsoft 's own web services suck very badly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The site, or portions thereof, are down damned near every time I go to use it.
Microsoft's own web services suck very badly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430020</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30443180</id>
	<title>Time for some copy protection schadenfreude...</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1260887820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, but it makes it damn clear why copy protection is a problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , but it makes it damn clear why copy protection is a problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, but it makes it damn clear why copy protection is a problem.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430030</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430380</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe it was running Vista...</title>
	<author>runyonave</author>
	<datestamp>1260802740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe they had a problem with Genuine Advantage. Are they using Genuine Microsoft software?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe they had a problem with Genuine Advantage .
Are they using Genuine Microsoft software ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe they had a problem with Genuine Advantage.
Are they using Genuine Microsoft software?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430018</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30434602</id>
	<title>Re:Take these failures as a warning!</title>
	<author>Plekto</author>
	<datestamp>1260823680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><b>This is the last of a number of massive infrastructure failures in the past few months. The issues with Gmail, T-Mobile, SwissDisk, etc and this should be a warning that the computing infrastructure is becoming baroquely fragile.</b></p><p>Nonsense.  The infrastructure is perfectly sound.   Our reliance on these few companies to do what could be done and used to be done in simpler ways is our problem.  These companies care more about their next new venture than doing the extra work to make sure it works correctly the first time.  They do the minimum work possible and try to make the most profit that they can, all while consolidating enormous power and limiting our choices.  The rest of the Internet and communications infrastructure is perfectly healthy, and most companies do a decent job(as do the governments that maintain it around the world).  We just have to learn to steer clear of these diseased monopolies and opt for smaller and better run choices instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the last of a number of massive infrastructure failures in the past few months .
The issues with Gmail , T-Mobile , SwissDisk , etc and this should be a warning that the computing infrastructure is becoming baroquely fragile.Nonsense .
The infrastructure is perfectly sound .
Our reliance on these few companies to do what could be done and used to be done in simpler ways is our problem .
These companies care more about their next new venture than doing the extra work to make sure it works correctly the first time .
They do the minimum work possible and try to make the most profit that they can , all while consolidating enormous power and limiting our choices .
The rest of the Internet and communications infrastructure is perfectly healthy , and most companies do a decent job ( as do the governments that maintain it around the world ) .
We just have to learn to steer clear of these diseased monopolies and opt for smaller and better run choices instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the last of a number of massive infrastructure failures in the past few months.
The issues with Gmail, T-Mobile, SwissDisk, etc and this should be a warning that the computing infrastructure is becoming baroquely fragile.Nonsense.
The infrastructure is perfectly sound.
Our reliance on these few companies to do what could be done and used to be done in simpler ways is our problem.
These companies care more about their next new venture than doing the extra work to make sure it works correctly the first time.
They do the minimum work possible and try to make the most profit that they can, all while consolidating enormous power and limiting our choices.
The rest of the Internet and communications infrastructure is perfectly healthy, and most companies do a decent job(as do the governments that maintain it around the world).
We just have to learn to steer clear of these diseased monopolies and opt for smaller and better run choices instead.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430190</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430018</id>
	<title>Maybe it was running Vista...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260799920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and they are trying to upgrade it to XP instead...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and they are trying to upgrade it to XP instead.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and they are trying to upgrade it to XP instead...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430040</id>
	<title>I support Microsoft</title>
	<author>For a Free Internet</author>
	<datestamp>1260800040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The rest of the internet is like a sweatshop-slavery conditions! No time off not even on Chrismiss! But Microsoft allows the interent to take a vacations with its family and frineds in this holiday season, which promotes social justice and peace.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The rest of the internet is like a sweatshop-slavery conditions !
No time off not even on Chrismiss !
But Microsoft allows the interent to take a vacations with its family and frineds in this holiday season , which promotes social justice and peace .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The rest of the internet is like a sweatshop-slavery conditions!
No time off not even on Chrismiss!
But Microsoft allows the interent to take a vacations with its family and frineds in this holiday season, which promotes social justice and peace.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30431178</id>
	<title>M$ Business as Usual</title>
	<author>omb</author>
	<datestamp>1260807240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Outages, mistakes, no Certificate, late bad code full of bugs, Bribing legislators and Standards Organizations, Continuing Anti-Trust violations are all in the days work for the crooks from Redmond.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Outages , mistakes , no Certificate , late bad code full of bugs , Bribing legislators and Standards Organizations , Continuing Anti-Trust violations are all in the days work for the crooks from Redmond .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Outages, mistakes, no Certificate, late bad code full of bugs, Bribing legislators and Standards Organizations, Continuing Anti-Trust violations are all in the days work for the crooks from Redmond.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430764</id>
	<title>Re:One thing which hasn't been mentioned yet</title>
	<author>Techman83</author>
	<datestamp>1260805020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The only eyebrow-raising part is that you would expect Microsoft to have a whole brace of plan Bs in place at the drop of a hat for just such an occurrence.</p></div><p>You must be new here...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only eyebrow-raising part is that you would expect Microsoft to have a whole brace of plan Bs in place at the drop of a hat for just such an occurrence.You must be new here.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only eyebrow-raising part is that you would expect Microsoft to have a whole brace of plan Bs in place at the drop of a hat for just such an occurrence.You must be new here...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430436</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30434004</id>
	<title>Re:One thing which hasn't been mentioned yet</title>
	<author>fast turtle</author>
	<datestamp>1260820440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Remember Vista activitation problems? WGA problems? All because some F***wit decided to go live w/o testing and having no plan b/c/d in place if it failed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember Vista activitation problems ?
WGA problems ?
All because some F * * * wit decided to go live w/o testing and having no plan b/c/d in place if it failed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember Vista activitation problems?
WGA problems?
All because some F***wit decided to go live w/o testing and having no plan b/c/d in place if it failed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430436</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430978</id>
	<title>Useful Info??</title>
	<author>Nevynxxx</author>
	<datestamp>1260806100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <a href="http://planetvm.net/blog/?p=931" title="planetvm.net" rel="nofollow">This Blog Post</a> [planetvm.net] Has the number to ring if you need it....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This Blog Post [ planetvm.net ] Has the number to ring if you need it... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> This Blog Post [planetvm.net] Has the number to ring if you need it....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30433270</id>
	<title>VLSC was working on Friday.</title>
	<author>illogic</author>
	<datestamp>1260816600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have a few licenses that used to be managed through eOpen, I never received any notification about its disappearance, but happened to discover the switch to Volume License Service Center on Friday when trying to login to eOpen.  VLSC was definitely up and running at that point, I could log in and manage the same licenses that I used to with eOpen.</p><p>That said, the initial terms of agreement screen that appeared after logging into to VLSC was terribly confusing. A blank window with no instructions, I was expected to figure out that I needed to manually select my region and language from a non-obvious drop-down menu, then click a button labeled "Go", causing the terms of agreement to appear in English on the screen. There is a box below in which you are meant to type your name and click "I agree", however this button was not clickable until figuring out how to make the agreement appear above, and there were no instructions to indicate this.  I spent several minutes feeling very foolish as I typed in my name, couldn't click the button to proceed, clicked "Cancel" instead, got to the VLSC dashboard to find that all the functions were disabled because I hadn't accepted the agreement, logged out and back in to make the terms window appear again, repeat a few times. Grrr.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have a few licenses that used to be managed through eOpen , I never received any notification about its disappearance , but happened to discover the switch to Volume License Service Center on Friday when trying to login to eOpen .
VLSC was definitely up and running at that point , I could log in and manage the same licenses that I used to with eOpen.That said , the initial terms of agreement screen that appeared after logging into to VLSC was terribly confusing .
A blank window with no instructions , I was expected to figure out that I needed to manually select my region and language from a non-obvious drop-down menu , then click a button labeled " Go " , causing the terms of agreement to appear in English on the screen .
There is a box below in which you are meant to type your name and click " I agree " , however this button was not clickable until figuring out how to make the agreement appear above , and there were no instructions to indicate this .
I spent several minutes feeling very foolish as I typed in my name , could n't click the button to proceed , clicked " Cancel " instead , got to the VLSC dashboard to find that all the functions were disabled because I had n't accepted the agreement , logged out and back in to make the terms window appear again , repeat a few times .
Grrr .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have a few licenses that used to be managed through eOpen, I never received any notification about its disappearance, but happened to discover the switch to Volume License Service Center on Friday when trying to login to eOpen.
VLSC was definitely up and running at that point, I could log in and manage the same licenses that I used to with eOpen.That said, the initial terms of agreement screen that appeared after logging into to VLSC was terribly confusing.
A blank window with no instructions, I was expected to figure out that I needed to manually select my region and language from a non-obvious drop-down menu, then click a button labeled "Go", causing the terms of agreement to appear in English on the screen.
There is a box below in which you are meant to type your name and click "I agree", however this button was not clickable until figuring out how to make the agreement appear above, and there were no instructions to indicate this.
I spent several minutes feeling very foolish as I typed in my name, couldn't click the button to proceed, clicked "Cancel" instead, got to the VLSC dashboard to find that all the functions were disabled because I hadn't accepted the agreement, logged out and back in to make the terms window appear again, repeat a few times.
Grrr.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430520</id>
	<title>Re:eOpen was replaced on the 6th with VLSC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260803820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right, that's the problem, the eOpen site, which was always horrible but at least worked, has been redirecting to the new VLSC site for about a week now (since the 6th or so).  Unfortunately the VLSC site has been down about 90\% of the time (after many, many tries I was eventually able to activate a new Windows 7 license last week so it has worked at least some).  The point is this is virtually the ONLY way to activate and manage licenses for Microsoft's volume license customers (at least for mid-size customers like me, might be more options for the biggest customers) yet it's been broken for a week.  While it's true that the site should not be critical for actual existing, already activated systems, I know of no way to add new eOpen purchases except via this site.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right , that 's the problem , the eOpen site , which was always horrible but at least worked , has been redirecting to the new VLSC site for about a week now ( since the 6th or so ) .
Unfortunately the VLSC site has been down about 90 \ % of the time ( after many , many tries I was eventually able to activate a new Windows 7 license last week so it has worked at least some ) .
The point is this is virtually the ONLY way to activate and manage licenses for Microsoft 's volume license customers ( at least for mid-size customers like me , might be more options for the biggest customers ) yet it 's been broken for a week .
While it 's true that the site should not be critical for actual existing , already activated systems , I know of no way to add new eOpen purchases except via this site .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right, that's the problem, the eOpen site, which was always horrible but at least worked, has been redirecting to the new VLSC site for about a week now (since the 6th or so).
Unfortunately the VLSC site has been down about 90\% of the time (after many, many tries I was eventually able to activate a new Windows 7 license last week so it has worked at least some).
The point is this is virtually the ONLY way to activate and manage licenses for Microsoft's volume license customers (at least for mid-size customers like me, might be more options for the biggest customers) yet it's been broken for a week.
While it's true that the site should not be critical for actual existing, already activated systems, I know of no way to add new eOpen purchases except via this site.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430386</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430268</id>
	<title>New licensing portal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260801960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a Microsoft reseller, we received notification on Tuesday Dec 8th that eOpen is supposed to be gone and replaced with:<br>www.microsoft.com/licensing/servicecenter/<br>Of course this new link doesn't work either, but at least we know that the eOpen portal itself not working is intentional.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a Microsoft reseller , we received notification on Tuesday Dec 8th that eOpen is supposed to be gone and replaced with : www.microsoft.com/licensing/servicecenter/Of course this new link does n't work either , but at least we know that the eOpen portal itself not working is intentional .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a Microsoft reseller, we received notification on Tuesday Dec 8th that eOpen is supposed to be gone and replaced with:www.microsoft.com/licensing/servicecenter/Of course this new link doesn't work either, but at least we know that the eOpen portal itself not working is intentional.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430364</id>
	<title>obligatory ...</title>
	<author>sammyF70</author>
	<datestamp>1260802680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>so eOpen is eClosed for the moment?</htmltext>
<tokenext>so eOpen is eClosed for the moment ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so eOpen is eClosed for the moment?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30431004</id>
	<title>So it's been down for a week,</title>
	<author>pecosdave</author>
	<datestamp>1260806280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and people just noticed today?</p><p>Wow Microsofts open source really is grabbing attention!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and people just noticed today ? Wow Microsofts open source really is grabbing attention !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and people just noticed today?Wow Microsofts open source really is grabbing attention!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430952</id>
	<title>Re:eOpen was replaced on the 6th with VLSC</title>
	<author>Kaboom13</author>
	<datestamp>1260806040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I tried to process an eOpen license last week.  When the VLSC site finally was up, I went to add the license to our account, only to be completely unable to find an option to do so.  Finally I gave up in frustration, and called their tech support line.  I was on hold for 2.5 hours, and when they finally answered, was told they "forgot" that functionality when they did the "upgrade" to the VLSC from the old eOpen site.  Luckily I already have the media and such, and can go ahead and build the server and put the product key in later, but it is a pain in the ass.</p><p>The old eOpen site was pretty terrible, I have to give MS credit for making something worse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried to process an eOpen license last week .
When the VLSC site finally was up , I went to add the license to our account , only to be completely unable to find an option to do so .
Finally I gave up in frustration , and called their tech support line .
I was on hold for 2.5 hours , and when they finally answered , was told they " forgot " that functionality when they did the " upgrade " to the VLSC from the old eOpen site .
Luckily I already have the media and such , and can go ahead and build the server and put the product key in later , but it is a pain in the ass.The old eOpen site was pretty terrible , I have to give MS credit for making something worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried to process an eOpen license last week.
When the VLSC site finally was up, I went to add the license to our account, only to be completely unable to find an option to do so.
Finally I gave up in frustration, and called their tech support line.
I was on hold for 2.5 hours, and when they finally answered, was told they "forgot" that functionality when they did the "upgrade" to the VLSC from the old eOpen site.
Luckily I already have the media and such, and can go ahead and build the server and put the product key in later, but it is a pain in the ass.The old eOpen site was pretty terrible, I have to give MS credit for making something worse.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430386</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30435826</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe it was running Vista...</title>
	<author>MiniMike</author>
	<datestamp>1260787080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>At least it's finally safe from crackers and script kiddies.  Until it's up again, that is.</htmltext>
<tokenext>At least it 's finally safe from crackers and script kiddies .
Until it 's up again , that is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least it's finally safe from crackers and script kiddies.
Until it's up again, that is.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430018</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30433502</id>
	<title>Recent Windows 7 eopen brain damage</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260817980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Had a customer buy some Win 7 Pro licenses via eOpen.  Finally got the paperwork, logged in to eOpen, and entered the agreement and license numbers.  They let you download the software, but won't let you get the product key without calling.  WTF?</p><p>So I call, and get some guy in India who barely speaks English.  He asks for the agreement and license numbers... then the business name, my name, email, etc.  Why doesn't he have access to that after entering the agreement and license numbers?  Give him all the info, then wait 5-10 minutes for an email.  The email never comes.  Call back.  Repeat... find out the guy got the email address wrong.  Try again.  YAY it works!</p><p>Now when I see the Windows 7 banner that says "Licensing simplified" I just wanna beat somebody.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Had a customer buy some Win 7 Pro licenses via eOpen .
Finally got the paperwork , logged in to eOpen , and entered the agreement and license numbers .
They let you download the software , but wo n't let you get the product key without calling .
WTF ? So I call , and get some guy in India who barely speaks English .
He asks for the agreement and license numbers... then the business name , my name , email , etc .
Why does n't he have access to that after entering the agreement and license numbers ?
Give him all the info , then wait 5-10 minutes for an email .
The email never comes .
Call back .
Repeat... find out the guy got the email address wrong .
Try again .
YAY it works ! Now when I see the Windows 7 banner that says " Licensing simplified " I just wan na beat somebody .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Had a customer buy some Win 7 Pro licenses via eOpen.
Finally got the paperwork, logged in to eOpen, and entered the agreement and license numbers.
They let you download the software, but won't let you get the product key without calling.
WTF?So I call, and get some guy in India who barely speaks English.
He asks for the agreement and license numbers... then the business name, my name, email, etc.
Why doesn't he have access to that after entering the agreement and license numbers?
Give him all the info, then wait 5-10 minutes for an email.
The email never comes.
Call back.
Repeat... find out the guy got the email address wrong.
Try again.
YAY it works!Now when I see the Windows 7 banner that says "Licensing simplified" I just wanna beat somebody.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430358</id>
	<title>Not for me</title>
	<author>Linker3000</author>
	<datestamp>1260802620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As much as I like to bash Mic..well, any organisation that deserves it really...I had no problems accessing the site or downloading ISOs of Win7 and Win7 upgrade Weds last week.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As much as I like to bash Mic..well , any organisation that deserves it really...I had no problems accessing the site or downloading ISOs of Win7 and Win7 upgrade Weds last week .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As much as I like to bash Mic..well, any organisation that deserves it really...I had no problems accessing the site or downloading ISOs of Win7 and Win7 upgrade Weds last week.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430862</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe it was running Vista...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260805440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There has been a notification in BIG RED LETTERS on the eOpen site since October saying they were going to shut it down on 12-7.  Maybe someone didn't get the memo about the upcoming stampede?</p><p>-ellie</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There has been a notification in BIG RED LETTERS on the eOpen site since October saying they were going to shut it down on 12-7 .
Maybe someone did n't get the memo about the upcoming stampede ? -ellie</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There has been a notification in BIG RED LETTERS on the eOpen site since October saying they were going to shut it down on 12-7.
Maybe someone didn't get the memo about the upcoming stampede?-ellie</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430018</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30433964</id>
	<title>Re:Not News</title>
	<author>mauriceh</author>
	<datestamp>1260820260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And yet, when you get a Microsoft Open License Order Confirmation, the first section directs you:</p><p>Volume License Keys</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Also included on the eOpen site, are your applicable Volume Licensing Product keys for installation of products requiring a VLK. If you are unable to find your VLKs, you can obtain them by calling the Activation Call Center for your region. Procedures for obtaining your VLKs and for Activation Center phone numbers can be found by going to <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/licensing" title="microsoft.com">http://www.microsoft.com/licensing</a> [microsoft.com] and clicking on the Volume Licensing Product Keys link.</p><p>And, when one tries teh OTHER routes for keys, one is directed to THIS STATEMENT:</p><p>"Media Fulfillment<br>While VLSC is undergoing scheduled maintenance, please visit the Product Activation Call Centers for assistance activating your product. You can find a phone number for your region by visiting<br><a href="http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/existing-customers/activation-centers.aspx" title="microsoft.com">http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/existing-customers/activation-centers.aspx</a> [microsoft.com]."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And yet , when you get a Microsoft Open License Order Confirmation , the first section directs you : Volume License Keys       Also included on the eOpen site , are your applicable Volume Licensing Product keys for installation of products requiring a VLK .
If you are unable to find your VLKs , you can obtain them by calling the Activation Call Center for your region .
Procedures for obtaining your VLKs and for Activation Center phone numbers can be found by going to http : //www.microsoft.com/licensing [ microsoft.com ] and clicking on the Volume Licensing Product Keys link.And , when one tries teh OTHER routes for keys , one is directed to THIS STATEMENT : " Media FulfillmentWhile VLSC is undergoing scheduled maintenance , please visit the Product Activation Call Centers for assistance activating your product .
You can find a phone number for your region by visitinghttp : //www.microsoft.com/licensing/existing-customers/activation-centers.aspx [ microsoft.com ] .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And yet, when you get a Microsoft Open License Order Confirmation, the first section directs you:Volume License Keys
      Also included on the eOpen site, are your applicable Volume Licensing Product keys for installation of products requiring a VLK.
If you are unable to find your VLKs, you can obtain them by calling the Activation Call Center for your region.
Procedures for obtaining your VLKs and for Activation Center phone numbers can be found by going to http://www.microsoft.com/licensing [microsoft.com] and clicking on the Volume Licensing Product Keys link.And, when one tries teh OTHER routes for keys, one is directed to THIS STATEMENT:"Media FulfillmentWhile VLSC is undergoing scheduled maintenance, please visit the Product Activation Call Centers for assistance activating your product.
You can find a phone number for your region by visitinghttp://www.microsoft.com/licensing/existing-customers/activation-centers.aspx [microsoft.com].
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30431236</id>
	<title>And they can't write software</title>
	<author>omb</author>
	<datestamp>1260807540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even for themselves!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even for themselves !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even for themselves!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430436</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430124</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe it was running Vista...</title>
	<author>b4upoo</author>
	<datestamp>1260800760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>     Maybe they were smacked in the snout by the blue screen of death.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe they were smacked in the snout by the blue screen of death .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>     Maybe they were smacked in the snout by the blue screen of death.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430018</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430504</id>
	<title>Re:eOpen was replaced on the 6th with VLSC</title>
	<author>thijsh</author>
	<datestamp>1260803700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Not saying Microsoft doesn't screw up, but lets get all the facts [...]</p></div><p>The facts? Here: <a href="http://www.getthefacts.com/" title="getthefacts.com">http://www.getthefacts.com/</a> [getthefacts.com] <br>
Or maybe the facts are also 'down'<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not saying Microsoft does n't screw up , but lets get all the facts [ ... ] The facts ?
Here : http : //www.getthefacts.com/ [ getthefacts.com ] Or maybe the facts are also 'down ' : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not saying Microsoft doesn't screw up, but lets get all the facts [...]The facts?
Here: http://www.getthefacts.com/ [getthefacts.com] 
Or maybe the facts are also 'down' :)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430386</id>
	<title>eOpen was replaced on the 6th with VLSC</title>
	<author>^Phantom</author>
	<datestamp>1260802800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>eOpen was closed on december 6th and replaced by VLSC (Volume Licensing Service Center) at the following link: <a href="https://www.microsoft.com/licensing/servicecenter/home.aspx" title="microsoft.com">https://www.microsoft.com/licensing/servicecenter/home.aspx</a> [microsoft.com]</p><p>Morte info can be found at: <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/existing-customers/manage-my-agreements.aspx" title="microsoft.com">http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/existing-customers/manage-my-agreements.aspx</a> [microsoft.com]</p><p>The VLSC site also appears to be down now, but maybe the swap is taking longer then planned or they are working out a bug on the week old site.</p><p>Not saying Microsoft doesn't screw up, but lets get all the facts, eOpen is closed for good and has been replaced.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>eOpen was closed on december 6th and replaced by VLSC ( Volume Licensing Service Center ) at the following link : https : //www.microsoft.com/licensing/servicecenter/home.aspx [ microsoft.com ] Morte info can be found at : http : //www.microsoft.com/licensing/existing-customers/manage-my-agreements.aspx [ microsoft.com ] The VLSC site also appears to be down now , but maybe the swap is taking longer then planned or they are working out a bug on the week old site.Not saying Microsoft does n't screw up , but lets get all the facts , eOpen is closed for good and has been replaced .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>eOpen was closed on december 6th and replaced by VLSC (Volume Licensing Service Center) at the following link: https://www.microsoft.com/licensing/servicecenter/home.aspx [microsoft.com]Morte info can be found at: http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/existing-customers/manage-my-agreements.aspx [microsoft.com]The VLSC site also appears to be down now, but maybe the swap is taking longer then planned or they are working out a bug on the week old site.Not saying Microsoft doesn't screw up, but lets get all the facts, eOpen is closed for good and has been replaced.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30433234</id>
	<title>Re:It was useless anyway</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260816420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is not a bookmark.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not a bookmark .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not a bookmark.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430678</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430250</id>
	<title>Re:Time for some free software zealotry...</title>
	<author>DoofusOfDeath</author>
	<datestamp>1260801840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Do I even need to rant, or does the story make it clear why proprietary software is a problem?</p></div></blockquote><p>This sounds like a trick question, but I'm not sure which answer I'm supposed to give.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do I even need to rant , or does the story make it clear why proprietary software is a problem ? This sounds like a trick question , but I 'm not sure which answer I 'm supposed to give .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do I even need to rant, or does the story make it clear why proprietary software is a problem?This sounds like a trick question, but I'm not sure which answer I'm supposed to give.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430030</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430218</id>
	<title>HAHAHA</title>
	<author>lostinmadnez</author>
	<datestamp>1260801540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hahahahaha  Hahahahaha.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hahahahaha Hahahahaha .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hahahahaha  Hahahahaha.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430530</id>
	<title>Re:eOpen was replaced on the 6th with VLSC</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1260803820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The VLSC site also appears to be down now, but maybe the swap is taking longer then planned or they are working out a bug on the week old site.</p><p>Not saying Microsoft doesn't screw up, but lets get all the facts, eOpen is closed for good and has been replaced.</p></div><p>Sounds to me more like eOpen is closed for good and <em>hasn't</em> been replaced. Maybe when this new site is up, it will have been. Right now, however, Microsoft is screwing the proverbial pooch, and no amount of apology will remove egg from face.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The VLSC site also appears to be down now , but maybe the swap is taking longer then planned or they are working out a bug on the week old site.Not saying Microsoft does n't screw up , but lets get all the facts , eOpen is closed for good and has been replaced.Sounds to me more like eOpen is closed for good and has n't been replaced .
Maybe when this new site is up , it will have been .
Right now , however , Microsoft is screwing the proverbial pooch , and no amount of apology will remove egg from face .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The VLSC site also appears to be down now, but maybe the swap is taking longer then planned or they are working out a bug on the week old site.Not saying Microsoft doesn't screw up, but lets get all the facts, eOpen is closed for good and has been replaced.Sounds to me more like eOpen is closed for good and hasn't been replaced.
Maybe when this new site is up, it will have been.
Right now, however, Microsoft is screwing the proverbial pooch, and no amount of apology will remove egg from face.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430180</id>
	<title>It's a bad week for Microsoft...</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1260801240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess they were too busy trying to fix <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/14/0111204" title="slashdot.org">this problem</a> [slashdot.org]?</p><p>[insert a whole bunch of DRM schadenfreude here]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess they were too busy trying to fix this problem [ slashdot.org ] ?
[ insert a whole bunch of DRM schadenfreude here ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess they were too busy trying to fix this problem [slashdot.org]?
[insert a whole bunch of DRM schadenfreude here]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30431074</id>
	<title>pd0ll</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260806640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">mista4e of electing juggernaut either of business and Too muchJ formality Posts. Therefore paper towels,</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>mista4e of electing juggernaut either of business and Too muchJ formality Posts .
Therefore paper towels , [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mista4e of electing juggernaut either of business and Too muchJ formality Posts.
Therefore paper towels, [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430342</id>
	<title>nitpick</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260802500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>as the site <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/BusinessSolutions/MBSRegistration" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.microsoft.com/BusinessSolutions/MBSRegistration</a> [microsoft.com] does not resolve;</p></div></blockquote><p>You can't "resolve" a URL. You resolve a DNS name which is part of the URL.</p><p>&lt;/nitpick&gt;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>as the site http : //www.microsoft.com/BusinessSolutions/MBSRegistration [ microsoft.com ] does not resolve ; You ca n't " resolve " a URL .
You resolve a DNS name which is part of the URL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as the site http://www.microsoft.com/BusinessSolutions/MBSRegistration [microsoft.com] does not resolve;You can't "resolve" a URL.
You resolve a DNS name which is part of the URL.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30432394</id>
	<title>Re:eOpen was replaced on the 6th with VLSC</title>
	<author>sharkey</author>
	<datestamp>1260812760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr><em>...maybe the swap is taking longer <strong>then</strong> planned...</em> </p><p>
Yeah, doing the swap before planning it could certainly result in delays and outages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...maybe the swap is taking longer then planned.. . Yeah , doing the swap before planning it could certainly result in delays and outages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...maybe the swap is taking longer then planned... 
Yeah, doing the swap before planning it could certainly result in delays and outages.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430386</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30431244</id>
	<title>Fixed at last</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1260807540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>oh, wait, just got slashdotted</htmltext>
<tokenext>oh , wait , just got slashdotted</tokentext>
<sentencetext>oh, wait, just got slashdotted</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30433986</id>
	<title>Re:Not News</title>
	<author>mauriceh</author>
	<datestamp>1260820380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="https://www.microsoft.com/licensing/servicecenter/sitemaintenance.html" title="microsoft.com">https://www.microsoft.com/licensing/servicecenter/sitemaintenance.html</a> [microsoft.com]</p><p>The Microsoft Volume Licensing Service Center is undergoing maintenance as part of a series of enhancements to improve the licensing management experience for partners and customers.</p><p>We apologize for any inconvenience and our goal is for the site to be available on Wednesday, December 16, 2009. Please check back on the website sign-in page for regular updates.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>https : //www.microsoft.com/licensing/servicecenter/sitemaintenance.html [ microsoft.com ] The Microsoft Volume Licensing Service Center is undergoing maintenance as part of a series of enhancements to improve the licensing management experience for partners and customers.We apologize for any inconvenience and our goal is for the site to be available on Wednesday , December 16 , 2009 .
Please check back on the website sign-in page for regular updates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>https://www.microsoft.com/licensing/servicecenter/sitemaintenance.html [microsoft.com]The Microsoft Volume Licensing Service Center is undergoing maintenance as part of a series of enhancements to improve the licensing management experience for partners and customers.We apologize for any inconvenience and our goal is for the site to be available on Wednesday, December 16, 2009.
Please check back on the website sign-in page for regular updates.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430500</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0142244.30430996</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe it was running Vista...</title>
	<author>ubersoldat2k7</author>
	<datestamp>1260806280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>By now they are probably booting a Ubuntu LiveCD</htmltext>
<tokenext>By now they are probably booting a Ubuntu LiveCD</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By now they are probably booting a Ubuntu LiveCD</sentencetext>
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