<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_14_0056209</id>
	<title>Israeli ISPs Caught Interfering With P2P Traffic</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1260807840000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Fuzzzy writes <i>"For a long time, people have suspected that Israeli ISPs are blocking or delaying P2P traffic. However, no hard evidence was provided, and the ISPs denied any interference. Today Ynetnews <a href="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3819279,00.html">published a report</a> on <a href="http://2jk.org/english/?p=153">comprehensive research</a> that for the first time proves those suspicions. Using <a href="http://broadband.mpi-sws.org/transparency/bttest.php">Glasnost</a> and <a href="http://www.eff.org/testyourisp/switzerland">Switzerland</a>, an Internet attorney /  blogger found evidence of deep packet inspection and deliberate delays. From the article: 'Since 2007 Ynet has received complaints according to which Israeli ISPs block P2P traffic. Those were brought to the media and were dismissed by the ISPs. Our findings were that there is direct and deliberate interference in P2P traffic by at least two out of the three major ISPs and that this interference exists by both P2P caching and P2P blocking.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fuzzzy writes " For a long time , people have suspected that Israeli ISPs are blocking or delaying P2P traffic .
However , no hard evidence was provided , and the ISPs denied any interference .
Today Ynetnews published a report on comprehensive research that for the first time proves those suspicions .
Using Glasnost and Switzerland , an Internet attorney / blogger found evidence of deep packet inspection and deliberate delays .
From the article : 'Since 2007 Ynet has received complaints according to which Israeli ISPs block P2P traffic .
Those were brought to the media and were dismissed by the ISPs .
Our findings were that there is direct and deliberate interference in P2P traffic by at least two out of the three major ISPs and that this interference exists by both P2P caching and P2P blocking .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fuzzzy writes "For a long time, people have suspected that Israeli ISPs are blocking or delaying P2P traffic.
However, no hard evidence was provided, and the ISPs denied any interference.
Today Ynetnews published a report on comprehensive research that for the first time proves those suspicions.
Using Glasnost and Switzerland, an Internet attorney /  blogger found evidence of deep packet inspection and deliberate delays.
From the article: 'Since 2007 Ynet has received complaints according to which Israeli ISPs block P2P traffic.
Those were brought to the media and were dismissed by the ISPs.
Our findings were that there is direct and deliberate interference in P2P traffic by at least two out of the three major ISPs and that this interference exists by both P2P caching and P2P blocking.
'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428064</id>
	<title>Gutless</title>
	<author>dark grep</author>
	<datestamp>1260726540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>How gutless of the ISP to not admit it.  EVERY ISP outside of perhaps the USA and Europe does it.  Bandwidth is just too expensive not to.  Many ISP's in Australia denied it for years, until they were 'outed' by one honest ISP who told everyone up front what they were doing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How gutless of the ISP to not admit it .
EVERY ISP outside of perhaps the USA and Europe does it .
Bandwidth is just too expensive not to .
Many ISP 's in Australia denied it for years , until they were 'outed ' by one honest ISP who told everyone up front what they were doing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How gutless of the ISP to not admit it.
EVERY ISP outside of perhaps the USA and Europe does it.
Bandwidth is just too expensive not to.
Many ISP's in Australia denied it for years, until they were 'outed' by one honest ISP who told everyone up front what they were doing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30435850</id>
	<title>Re:Well there's not really a choice</title>
	<author>shermo</author>
	<datestamp>1260787260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure there are lessons that can be learnt by comparing internet supply with the electricity industry.</p><p>If everyone ran their ovens/plasma screen tvs/heaters at the same time the system wouldn't be able to cope. So as the system approaches this situation the spot price of electricity goes up. Residential users aren't exposed to this, since most are on a fixed price.</p><p>However a few things happen. Large users that are exposed to the spot price (mostly industrials) reduce their usage. Lines companies turn off people's hot water heaters (non-immediate usage). More expensive generation operates. Surely ISPs can take some of these lessons and use them to manage peak internet usage? I don't know enough about ISP operation to say exactly how this would happen, but perhaps an example of non immediate usage would be windows updates. Schedule these offpeak and suddenly peak usage isn't so extreme.</p><p>Ultimately, there are perverse incentives for ISPs and they're all as a result of 'unlimited' plans. The ISPs already have your money, irrespective of how much you use your internet connection so it's in their best interest to stop you using what you paid for. This isn't the case for electricity since you pay by the kWh. Retail companies want you to comsume as much as possible. They don't want you to use it at peak times, but it's in their best interests to make you consume offpeak.</p><p>I know everyone hates the idea of metered internet, but in the long run it will provide better results for everyone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure there are lessons that can be learnt by comparing internet supply with the electricity industry.If everyone ran their ovens/plasma screen tvs/heaters at the same time the system would n't be able to cope .
So as the system approaches this situation the spot price of electricity goes up .
Residential users are n't exposed to this , since most are on a fixed price.However a few things happen .
Large users that are exposed to the spot price ( mostly industrials ) reduce their usage .
Lines companies turn off people 's hot water heaters ( non-immediate usage ) .
More expensive generation operates .
Surely ISPs can take some of these lessons and use them to manage peak internet usage ?
I do n't know enough about ISP operation to say exactly how this would happen , but perhaps an example of non immediate usage would be windows updates .
Schedule these offpeak and suddenly peak usage is n't so extreme.Ultimately , there are perverse incentives for ISPs and they 're all as a result of 'unlimited ' plans .
The ISPs already have your money , irrespective of how much you use your internet connection so it 's in their best interest to stop you using what you paid for .
This is n't the case for electricity since you pay by the kWh .
Retail companies want you to comsume as much as possible .
They do n't want you to use it at peak times , but it 's in their best interests to make you consume offpeak.I know everyone hates the idea of metered internet , but in the long run it will provide better results for everyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure there are lessons that can be learnt by comparing internet supply with the electricity industry.If everyone ran their ovens/plasma screen tvs/heaters at the same time the system wouldn't be able to cope.
So as the system approaches this situation the spot price of electricity goes up.
Residential users aren't exposed to this, since most are on a fixed price.However a few things happen.
Large users that are exposed to the spot price (mostly industrials) reduce their usage.
Lines companies turn off people's hot water heaters (non-immediate usage).
More expensive generation operates.
Surely ISPs can take some of these lessons and use them to manage peak internet usage?
I don't know enough about ISP operation to say exactly how this would happen, but perhaps an example of non immediate usage would be windows updates.
Schedule these offpeak and suddenly peak usage isn't so extreme.Ultimately, there are perverse incentives for ISPs and they're all as a result of 'unlimited' plans.
The ISPs already have your money, irrespective of how much you use your internet connection so it's in their best interest to stop you using what you paid for.
This isn't the case for electricity since you pay by the kWh.
Retail companies want you to comsume as much as possible.
They don't want you to use it at peak times, but it's in their best interests to make you consume offpeak.I know everyone hates the idea of metered internet, but in the long run it will provide better results for everyone.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428040</id>
	<title>NetEnforcer....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260726240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Coincidence that the <a href="http://www.allot.com/" title="allot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.allot.com/</a> [allot.com]NetEnforcer is from Israel?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Coincidence that the http : //www.allot.com/ [ allot.com ] NetEnforcer is from Israel ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Coincidence that the http://www.allot.com/ [allot.com]NetEnforcer is from Israel?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428144</id>
	<title>Call me skeptical</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260727500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I do question the level of this research. Just as one example of sloppines: They describe checktor as "a company that&rsquo;s meant to assist copyright holders," yet in the link they provide, it is very clear that checktor (a non-profit that scans torrents for viruses) has nothing to do with assisting copyright holders. In fact the page is telling copyright holders to bug off.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do question the level of this research .
Just as one example of sloppines : They describe checktor as " a company that    s meant to assist copyright holders , " yet in the link they provide , it is very clear that checktor ( a non-profit that scans torrents for viruses ) has nothing to do with assisting copyright holders .
In fact the page is telling copyright holders to bug off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do question the level of this research.
Just as one example of sloppines: They describe checktor as "a company that’s meant to assist copyright holders," yet in the link they provide, it is very clear that checktor (a non-profit that scans torrents for viruses) has nothing to do with assisting copyright holders.
In fact the page is telling copyright holders to bug off.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30429802</id>
	<title>Re:Throttling</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260797400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perfect Solution!</p><p>The ISP is question can go out to hollywood and say: We throttle our 1Mbps line after 300GB/mo.<br>We also throttle our 100Mbps line after 30'000GB/mo (30TB).</p><p>ISP happy, hollywood happy, customer couldn't care.<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perfect Solution ! The ISP is question can go out to hollywood and say : We throttle our 1Mbps line after 300GB/mo.We also throttle our 100Mbps line after 30'000GB/mo ( 30TB ) .ISP happy , hollywood happy , customer could n't care .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perfect Solution!The ISP is question can go out to hollywood and say: We throttle our 1Mbps line after 300GB/mo.We also throttle our 100Mbps line after 30'000GB/mo (30TB).ISP happy, hollywood happy, customer couldn't care.
 </sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428016</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30445692</id>
	<title>This will be instituted in US before you can MEOW</title>
	<author>Shompol</author>
	<datestamp>1260898620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Israel has to do these things because they are constantly in the state of war. One of their objectives is to prevent bombing of civilians. Think of Israel as a "democratic" military state.
<br> <br>
Now they got pretty good at it, and US govt will be very quick to adapt their technologies and methods to institute a military state here, in US. They already adapting airport security, internet will follow.
<br> <br>

Why do we need a military state? Are you kidding? That's the key to absolute power! Dictators (also presidents, kings), have been known to start wars just so they can institute stronger controls at home.
<br> <br>
Orange alert, anyone?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Israel has to do these things because they are constantly in the state of war .
One of their objectives is to prevent bombing of civilians .
Think of Israel as a " democratic " military state .
Now they got pretty good at it , and US govt will be very quick to adapt their technologies and methods to institute a military state here , in US .
They already adapting airport security , internet will follow .
Why do we need a military state ?
Are you kidding ?
That 's the key to absolute power !
Dictators ( also presidents , kings ) , have been known to start wars just so they can institute stronger controls at home .
Orange alert , anyone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Israel has to do these things because they are constantly in the state of war.
One of their objectives is to prevent bombing of civilians.
Think of Israel as a "democratic" military state.
Now they got pretty good at it, and US govt will be very quick to adapt their technologies and methods to institute a military state here, in US.
They already adapting airport security, internet will follow.
Why do we need a military state?
Are you kidding?
That's the key to absolute power!
Dictators (also presidents, kings), have been known to start wars just so they can institute stronger controls at home.
Orange alert, anyone?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30441566</id>
	<title>Re:Well there's not really a choice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260869280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You can't have everything.</p></div><p>I expect to have what I've paid for. Do you disagree?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't have everything.I expect to have what I 've paid for .
Do you disagree ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't have everything.I expect to have what I've paid for.
Do you disagree?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30429318</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30429560</id>
	<title>Fir5T</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260792900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>supplies to private According tothis Is EFNet, and you Marketing surveys GNAA (GAY NIGGER part of GNAA if - Netcraft has list of other join in. It can be task. Research counterpart, the official GAY exactly what you've GNAA on slashdot, official GNAA irc to predict *BSD's downward spiral. In MISTAKE OF ELECTING Addreeses will lube is wiped off Has brought upon</htmltext>
<tokenext>supplies to private According tothis Is EFNet , and you Marketing surveys GNAA ( GAY NIGGER part of GNAA if - Netcraft has list of other join in .
It can be task .
Research counterpart , the official GAY exactly what you 've GNAA on slashdot , official GNAA irc to predict * BSD 's downward spiral .
In MISTAKE OF ELECTING Addreeses will lube is wiped off Has brought upon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>supplies to private According tothis Is EFNet, and you Marketing surveys GNAA (GAY NIGGER part of GNAA if - Netcraft has list of other join in.
It can be task.
Research counterpart, the official GAY exactly what you've GNAA on slashdot, official GNAA irc to predict *BSD's downward spiral.
In MISTAKE OF ELECTING Addreeses will lube is wiped off Has brought upon</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30429904</id>
	<title>Re:Call me skeptical</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260798540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article has some other problems. The authors are very indignant about caching, but this actually *helps* the users get a faster download. What's wrong with caching?</p><p>Very inconclusive other than on the caching point, and they have it backwards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article has some other problems .
The authors are very indignant about caching , but this actually * helps * the users get a faster download .
What 's wrong with caching ? Very inconclusive other than on the caching point , and they have it backwards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article has some other problems.
The authors are very indignant about caching, but this actually *helps* the users get a faster download.
What's wrong with caching?Very inconclusive other than on the caching point, and they have it backwards.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30430626</id>
	<title>Bell is throttling us...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260804300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not really news... Here in Canada Bell is throttling us for quite a while now.</p><p>Just search for Bell and Bypass Throttling on google...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not really news... Here in Canada Bell is throttling us for quite a while now.Just search for Bell and Bypass Throttling on google.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not really news... Here in Canada Bell is throttling us for quite a while now.Just search for Bell and Bypass Throttling on google...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30442302</id>
	<title>India</title>
	<author>mgcarley</author>
	<datestamp>1260878880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm surprised to not see any comments regarding the state of access in India. There are comments regarding the US, Australia and New Zealand, but not India.</p><p>A 155Mbits line can cost as much as US$34k/month here, so the prices and speeds of consumer (and business) net connections are pretty horrific: USD$66 including tax will get you a 2mbit unlimited connection. If that provider supplies to your area.</p><p>I myself am starting an ISP and we are planning to offer the speeds which are available in Europe and Eastern Asia (read S Korea and Japan), so things like torrents are of great concern to us.</p><p>Most people get around the P2P thing by using DC++, but the last-mile ISP market is extremely fragmented (private cable-vendors "own" different suburbs of each city, and some are plainly psychotic, judging by the behaviour they exhibit towards customers - randomly unplugging cables, sabotaging cables of competitors and so forth).</p><p>Also, because of this fragmentation, DC++ servers are available only to a limited number of people, so it is really only a partial solution, and if I'm not mistaken, torrents are still king.</p><p>Regulations allow maximum contention ratios of 50:1 for consumer broadband. If everyone torrents at 2Mbits, in theory thats ONLY 70 customers to saturate a 155Mbits line.</p><p>So far, the most effective answer lies in either throttling or in data-caps. Is there another answer that can benefit the consumer AND allow us to provide an affordable, speedy service AND one that is actually useful to everyone - especially when we're paying for example $30k/month for 155mbits?</p><p>I personally would be interested to know (email your thoughts directly to slashdot.comments at-the-rate mathew-carley.com)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised to not see any comments regarding the state of access in India .
There are comments regarding the US , Australia and New Zealand , but not India.A 155Mbits line can cost as much as US $ 34k/month here , so the prices and speeds of consumer ( and business ) net connections are pretty horrific : USD $ 66 including tax will get you a 2mbit unlimited connection .
If that provider supplies to your area.I myself am starting an ISP and we are planning to offer the speeds which are available in Europe and Eastern Asia ( read S Korea and Japan ) , so things like torrents are of great concern to us.Most people get around the P2P thing by using DC + + , but the last-mile ISP market is extremely fragmented ( private cable-vendors " own " different suburbs of each city , and some are plainly psychotic , judging by the behaviour they exhibit towards customers - randomly unplugging cables , sabotaging cables of competitors and so forth ) .Also , because of this fragmentation , DC + + servers are available only to a limited number of people , so it is really only a partial solution , and if I 'm not mistaken , torrents are still king.Regulations allow maximum contention ratios of 50 : 1 for consumer broadband .
If everyone torrents at 2Mbits , in theory thats ONLY 70 customers to saturate a 155Mbits line.So far , the most effective answer lies in either throttling or in data-caps .
Is there another answer that can benefit the consumer AND allow us to provide an affordable , speedy service AND one that is actually useful to everyone - especially when we 're paying for example $ 30k/month for 155mbits ? I personally would be interested to know ( email your thoughts directly to slashdot.comments at-the-rate mathew-carley.com )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised to not see any comments regarding the state of access in India.
There are comments regarding the US, Australia and New Zealand, but not India.A 155Mbits line can cost as much as US$34k/month here, so the prices and speeds of consumer (and business) net connections are pretty horrific: USD$66 including tax will get you a 2mbit unlimited connection.
If that provider supplies to your area.I myself am starting an ISP and we are planning to offer the speeds which are available in Europe and Eastern Asia (read S Korea and Japan), so things like torrents are of great concern to us.Most people get around the P2P thing by using DC++, but the last-mile ISP market is extremely fragmented (private cable-vendors "own" different suburbs of each city, and some are plainly psychotic, judging by the behaviour they exhibit towards customers - randomly unplugging cables, sabotaging cables of competitors and so forth).Also, because of this fragmentation, DC++ servers are available only to a limited number of people, so it is really only a partial solution, and if I'm not mistaken, torrents are still king.Regulations allow maximum contention ratios of 50:1 for consumer broadband.
If everyone torrents at 2Mbits, in theory thats ONLY 70 customers to saturate a 155Mbits line.So far, the most effective answer lies in either throttling or in data-caps.
Is there another answer that can benefit the consumer AND allow us to provide an affordable, speedy service AND one that is actually useful to everyone - especially when we're paying for example $30k/month for 155mbits?I personally would be interested to know (email your thoughts directly to slashdot.comments at-the-rate mathew-carley.com)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428902</id>
	<title>Deep Packet Inspection</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260782400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Moreover, Deep Packet Inspection (DPI) as executed by several of the Israeli ISPs, may be considered illegal wiretapping</p></div><p>Okay, so DPI can be considered illegal wiretapping because you see what is in the stream? (And therefore spy on people) On the other hand what if the traffic classification was done statistically? Statistical methods doesn't read what is in the packet. So in that case the ISP wouldn't have a clue what exactly is in the traffic stream. Would that still be illegal wiretapping?</p><p>I find this interesting because there has been a lot of research of statistical traffic analysis.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Moreover , Deep Packet Inspection ( DPI ) as executed by several of the Israeli ISPs , may be considered illegal wiretappingOkay , so DPI can be considered illegal wiretapping because you see what is in the stream ?
( And therefore spy on people ) On the other hand what if the traffic classification was done statistically ?
Statistical methods does n't read what is in the packet .
So in that case the ISP would n't have a clue what exactly is in the traffic stream .
Would that still be illegal wiretapping ? I find this interesting because there has been a lot of research of statistical traffic analysis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Moreover, Deep Packet Inspection (DPI) as executed by several of the Israeli ISPs, may be considered illegal wiretappingOkay, so DPI can be considered illegal wiretapping because you see what is in the stream?
(And therefore spy on people) On the other hand what if the traffic classification was done statistically?
Statistical methods doesn't read what is in the packet.
So in that case the ISP wouldn't have a clue what exactly is in the traffic stream.
Would that still be illegal wiretapping?I find this interesting because there has been a lot of research of statistical traffic analysis.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428220</id>
	<title>I Know Who's at the Bottom of This</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260728460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Surely there's some way to blame Yassar Arafat for this!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Surely there 's some way to blame Yassar Arafat for this !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Surely there's some way to blame Yassar Arafat for this!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428594</id>
	<title>Re:Gutless</title>
	<author>jonwil</author>
	<datestamp>1260820980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not all Aussie ISPs are doing it. Mostly its the smaller ISPs that are doing it, the big boys like Internode and iiNet and TPG dont.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not all Aussie ISPs are doing it .
Mostly its the smaller ISPs that are doing it , the big boys like Internode and iiNet and TPG dont .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not all Aussie ISPs are doing it.
Mostly its the smaller ISPs that are doing it, the big boys like Internode and iiNet and TPG dont.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30429800</id>
	<title>Re:Well there's not really a choice</title>
	<author>Wavebreak</author>
	<datestamp>1260797400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would argue from evidence that it is in fact possible to actually deliver the speed, given that my connection has been averaging ~17mbit combined throughput over the last year, with peaks up to the 100mbit limit regularly (which it never fails to deliver either). This a residential connection for a flat 43e a month. Now, granted, you're correct in that it would be very difficult indeed to achieve that if every single customer used as much, but the point is that they don't, which is why you *can* really have that - the isp in question just needs to not oversell *too* much.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would argue from evidence that it is in fact possible to actually deliver the speed , given that my connection has been averaging ~ 17mbit combined throughput over the last year , with peaks up to the 100mbit limit regularly ( which it never fails to deliver either ) .
This a residential connection for a flat 43e a month .
Now , granted , you 're correct in that it would be very difficult indeed to achieve that if every single customer used as much , but the point is that they do n't , which is why you * can * really have that - the isp in question just needs to not oversell * too * much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would argue from evidence that it is in fact possible to actually deliver the speed, given that my connection has been averaging ~17mbit combined throughput over the last year, with peaks up to the 100mbit limit regularly (which it never fails to deliver either).
This a residential connection for a flat 43e a month.
Now, granted, you're correct in that it would be very difficult indeed to achieve that if every single customer used as much, but the point is that they don't, which is why you *can* really have that - the isp in question just needs to not oversell *too* much.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30429318</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428728</id>
	<title>I bet</title>
	<author>lastgoodnickname</author>
	<datestamp>1260823440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I bet the Dutch are somehow involved.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet the Dutch are somehow involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet the Dutch are somehow involved.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428678</id>
	<title>Is there anything...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260822600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is there anything Israelis don't interfere with? Be it on government, business or personal level?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there anything Israelis do n't interfere with ?
Be it on government , business or personal level ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there anything Israelis don't interfere with?
Be it on government, business or personal level?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428990</id>
	<title>Re:Gutless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260783840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm with Optus cable, I don't download much except the occasional porno but I've never had any unexplained speed problems. What pisses me off is they meter iView, even Telstra don't do that!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm with Optus cable , I do n't download much except the occasional porno but I 've never had any unexplained speed problems .
What pisses me off is they meter iView , even Telstra do n't do that ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm with Optus cable, I don't download much except the occasional porno but I've never had any unexplained speed problems.
What pisses me off is they meter iView, even Telstra don't do that!!
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428336</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30427988</id>
	<title>The Real Question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260725760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does the Israeli Gov't care?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does the Israeli Gov't care ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does the Israeli Gov't care?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428790</id>
	<title>Re:Told you so!</title>
	<author>gilboad</author>
	<datestamp>1260824220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try changing ISP.<br>I'm using 013 and I can't say that I notice any slowdown in skype or bit-torrent.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Most likely they are screwing around with my P2P (amule is ridiculously slow), but that's about it.</p><p>- Gilboa</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try changing ISP.I 'm using 013 and I ca n't say that I notice any slowdown in skype or bit-torrent .
... Most likely they are screwing around with my P2P ( amule is ridiculously slow ) , but that 's about it.- Gilboa</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try changing ISP.I'm using 013 and I can't say that I notice any slowdown in skype or bit-torrent.
... Most likely they are screwing around with my P2P (amule is ridiculously slow), but that's about it.- Gilboa</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428484</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30435638</id>
	<title>Re:The Real Question</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1260786060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who is going to police the Israeli gov....the US?...doubt it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who is going to police the Israeli gov....the US ? ...doubt it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who is going to police the Israeli gov....the US?...doubt it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30427988</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30429118</id>
	<title>Re:ISPs interfering with P2P traffic isn't news</title>
	<author>AK Marc</author>
	<datestamp>1260786180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>In New Zealand, Xtra offer an unlimited plan, however they do traffic management on it. Meaning if you use any P2P software your connection is slowed down to dialup speed (much the same if you go over your cap on a limited plan) for about 24 hours after the program (Transmission etc.) is stopped before it returns back to full speed.</i> <br> <br>That's an interesting description of it.  I couldn't ever get anyone to tell me anything about how it worked.  Perhaps it was the bittorrent updates for WoW that triggered it, but without having done any P2P, I found Xtra unusable.  Completely unusable.  14000 ms latency WoWing (well, generally only 8000 ms, but it got bad and had a large number of disconnects).  VoIP that dropped because of timeouts and no one was ever able to hear me (or me them).  Oh, and perfect, absolutely great pings.  Never lost one, and never had a ping above 200 ms back to the US.  And web browsing wasn't bad.  well, unless you wanted to watch a flash video.  Or download something.  Or check email over a secure connection.<br> <br>The service was pretty much completely unusable.  So I switched to a metered one (they are all metered, other than that one).  And no, even in the off times, it didn't work.  I got up at 2 am, the time they say should be unmanaged, and it was still a useless connection.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In New Zealand , Xtra offer an unlimited plan , however they do traffic management on it .
Meaning if you use any P2P software your connection is slowed down to dialup speed ( much the same if you go over your cap on a limited plan ) for about 24 hours after the program ( Transmission etc .
) is stopped before it returns back to full speed .
That 's an interesting description of it .
I could n't ever get anyone to tell me anything about how it worked .
Perhaps it was the bittorrent updates for WoW that triggered it , but without having done any P2P , I found Xtra unusable .
Completely unusable .
14000 ms latency WoWing ( well , generally only 8000 ms , but it got bad and had a large number of disconnects ) .
VoIP that dropped because of timeouts and no one was ever able to hear me ( or me them ) .
Oh , and perfect , absolutely great pings .
Never lost one , and never had a ping above 200 ms back to the US .
And web browsing was n't bad .
well , unless you wanted to watch a flash video .
Or download something .
Or check email over a secure connection .
The service was pretty much completely unusable .
So I switched to a metered one ( they are all metered , other than that one ) .
And no , even in the off times , it did n't work .
I got up at 2 am , the time they say should be unmanaged , and it was still a useless connection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In New Zealand, Xtra offer an unlimited plan, however they do traffic management on it.
Meaning if you use any P2P software your connection is slowed down to dialup speed (much the same if you go over your cap on a limited plan) for about 24 hours after the program (Transmission etc.
) is stopped before it returns back to full speed.
That's an interesting description of it.
I couldn't ever get anyone to tell me anything about how it worked.
Perhaps it was the bittorrent updates for WoW that triggered it, but without having done any P2P, I found Xtra unusable.
Completely unusable.
14000 ms latency WoWing (well, generally only 8000 ms, but it got bad and had a large number of disconnects).
VoIP that dropped because of timeouts and no one was ever able to hear me (or me them).
Oh, and perfect, absolutely great pings.
Never lost one, and never had a ping above 200 ms back to the US.
And web browsing wasn't bad.
well, unless you wanted to watch a flash video.
Or download something.
Or check email over a secure connection.
The service was pretty much completely unusable.
So I switched to a metered one (they are all metered, other than that one).
And no, even in the off times, it didn't work.
I got up at 2 am, the time they say should be unmanaged, and it was still a useless connection.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428264</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428526</id>
	<title>Re:Throttling</title>
	<author>b4upoo</author>
	<datestamp>1260733500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>         It is way past time for the public to get outraged and act up in regard to the entire utilities industry. Whether it is power, phone or cable it is high time to vastly reduce both the charges from the providers as well as taxes placed upon the end users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is way past time for the public to get outraged and act up in regard to the entire utilities industry .
Whether it is power , phone or cable it is high time to vastly reduce both the charges from the providers as well as taxes placed upon the end users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>         It is way past time for the public to get outraged and act up in regard to the entire utilities industry.
Whether it is power, phone or cable it is high time to vastly reduce both the charges from the providers as well as taxes placed upon the end users.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428016</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30429610</id>
	<title>Re:Gutless</title>
	<author>severn2j</author>
	<datestamp>1260794220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Im pretty sure ISP's in Europe do it as well, although not restricted to P2P.  I have a 20Mbit "unlimited" connection with Virgin Media, and if I download a large amount of data in one go, say 5GB+, the bandwidth drops to 5Mbit after 4GB's or so, then goes back upto 20MBits after a few hours of not downloading..  Coincidence?  I dont think so.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Im pretty sure ISP 's in Europe do it as well , although not restricted to P2P .
I have a 20Mbit " unlimited " connection with Virgin Media , and if I download a large amount of data in one go , say 5GB + , the bandwidth drops to 5Mbit after 4GB 's or so , then goes back upto 20MBits after a few hours of not downloading.. Coincidence ? I dont think so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Im pretty sure ISP's in Europe do it as well, although not restricted to P2P.
I have a 20Mbit "unlimited" connection with Virgin Media, and if I download a large amount of data in one go, say 5GB+, the bandwidth drops to 5Mbit after 4GB's or so, then goes back upto 20MBits after a few hours of not downloading..  Coincidence?  I dont think so.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428064</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30427972</id>
	<title>Kike it!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260725460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yo VIP, just Kike it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yo VIP , just Kike it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yo VIP, just Kike it!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428006</id>
	<title>Free and open comms</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260725880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not what the darkside wants.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not what the darkside wants .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not what the darkside wants.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428484</id>
	<title>Told you so!</title>
	<author>dushkin</author>
	<datestamp>1260732600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For the last year or so I've been in Israel, so naturally my ISP is Israeli.</p><p>I've spent countless hours with them on the phone trying to get around this thing. I told them bittorrent was acting ridiculously slow, but they gave me the old excuse of "not our fault, it's p2p" which I was willing to accept for a while.</p><p>Then I noticed skype started messing with me, giving me ridiculous dial-up quality sound. Fun fact, my ISP is also a phone provider.</p><p>Makes you wonder.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For the last year or so I 've been in Israel , so naturally my ISP is Israeli.I 've spent countless hours with them on the phone trying to get around this thing .
I told them bittorrent was acting ridiculously slow , but they gave me the old excuse of " not our fault , it 's p2p " which I was willing to accept for a while.Then I noticed skype started messing with me , giving me ridiculous dial-up quality sound .
Fun fact , my ISP is also a phone provider.Makes you wonder .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the last year or so I've been in Israel, so naturally my ISP is Israeli.I've spent countless hours with them on the phone trying to get around this thing.
I told them bittorrent was acting ridiculously slow, but they gave me the old excuse of "not our fault, it's p2p" which I was willing to accept for a while.Then I noticed skype started messing with me, giving me ridiculous dial-up quality sound.
Fun fact, my ISP is also a phone provider.Makes you wonder.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30430542</id>
	<title>Re:Its the lies and cover up that bugs me</title>
	<author>Aldenissin</author>
	<datestamp>1260803880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First off, it was unlimited when I first got signed up. Forget some translation of the word years later, unlimited meant just that, at my speeds I get all I can eat. Not that I had unlimited connection time. Which even still really means the same thing, I have unlimited connection time at the speeds signed up for... It was understood that if I interfered with others though, through hacking the main box down the street, etc. that I would get cut off and eventually ISPs had to throttle to some extent for those that hogged. That is appreciable, if not commendable.</p><p>
&nbsp; Secondly, mine is not always on, if I have to keep resetting my router and modem. That is the point, they are not even doing the little they do promise. They are now "officially" going waaaaaaay to far. The fecal matter is going to hit the fan soon because in the words of Twisted Sister, "We're not gonna take!"</p><p>
&nbsp; No! We're not gonna take it! We're not gonna take it, anymore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First off , it was unlimited when I first got signed up .
Forget some translation of the word years later , unlimited meant just that , at my speeds I get all I can eat .
Not that I had unlimited connection time .
Which even still really means the same thing , I have unlimited connection time at the speeds signed up for... It was understood that if I interfered with others though , through hacking the main box down the street , etc .
that I would get cut off and eventually ISPs had to throttle to some extent for those that hogged .
That is appreciable , if not commendable .
  Secondly , mine is not always on , if I have to keep resetting my router and modem .
That is the point , they are not even doing the little they do promise .
They are now " officially " going waaaaaaay to far .
The fecal matter is going to hit the fan soon because in the words of Twisted Sister , " We 're not gon na take !
"   No !
We 're not gon na take it !
We 're not gon na take it , anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First off, it was unlimited when I first got signed up.
Forget some translation of the word years later, unlimited meant just that, at my speeds I get all I can eat.
Not that I had unlimited connection time.
Which even still really means the same thing, I have unlimited connection time at the speeds signed up for... It was understood that if I interfered with others though, through hacking the main box down the street, etc.
that I would get cut off and eventually ISPs had to throttle to some extent for those that hogged.
That is appreciable, if not commendable.
  Secondly, mine is not always on, if I have to keep resetting my router and modem.
That is the point, they are not even doing the little they do promise.
They are now "officially" going waaaaaaay to far.
The fecal matter is going to hit the fan soon because in the words of Twisted Sister, "We're not gonna take!
"
  No!
We're not gonna take it!
We're not gonna take it, anymore.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30429492</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428264</id>
	<title>ISPs interfering with P2P traffic isn't news</title>
	<author>Norsefire</author>
	<datestamp>1260729060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In New Zealand, Xtra offer an <a href="https://www.telecom.co.nz/broadband/select/1,10627,205836-204473,00.html?action=/plan&amp;detail=17" title="telecom.co.nz">unlimited plan</a> [telecom.co.nz], however they do traffic management on it. Meaning if you use any P2P software your connection is slowed down to dialup speed (much the same if you go over your cap on a limited plan) for about 24 hours after the program (Transmission etc.) is stopped before it returns back to full speed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In New Zealand , Xtra offer an unlimited plan [ telecom.co.nz ] , however they do traffic management on it .
Meaning if you use any P2P software your connection is slowed down to dialup speed ( much the same if you go over your cap on a limited plan ) for about 24 hours after the program ( Transmission etc .
) is stopped before it returns back to full speed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In New Zealand, Xtra offer an unlimited plan [telecom.co.nz], however they do traffic management on it.
Meaning if you use any P2P software your connection is slowed down to dialup speed (much the same if you go over your cap on a limited plan) for about 24 hours after the program (Transmission etc.
) is stopped before it returns back to full speed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30433522</id>
	<title>Re:Well there's not really a choice</title>
	<author>misexistentialist</author>
	<datestamp>1260818220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the ISPs were honest about what connections cost them users would be more willing to pay, knowing that their profits are reasonable. But they don't because their profits even at current levels are probably unreasonable, and "business class" just comes with a premium price, and even more inflated profits. Usenet providers, for example, are able to provide users with tremendous storage and bandwidth for very little, and though they are different from ISPs, the biggest difference is that there is competition.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the ISPs were honest about what connections cost them users would be more willing to pay , knowing that their profits are reasonable .
But they do n't because their profits even at current levels are probably unreasonable , and " business class " just comes with a premium price , and even more inflated profits .
Usenet providers , for example , are able to provide users with tremendous storage and bandwidth for very little , and though they are different from ISPs , the biggest difference is that there is competition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the ISPs were honest about what connections cost them users would be more willing to pay, knowing that their profits are reasonable.
But they don't because their profits even at current levels are probably unreasonable, and "business class" just comes with a premium price, and even more inflated profits.
Usenet providers, for example, are able to provide users with tremendous storage and bandwidth for very little, and though they are different from ISPs, the biggest difference is that there is competition.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30429318</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428016</id>
	<title>Throttling</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260726000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FWIW I heard from a wireless provider's salesperson that all of the major Internet Service Providers in Japan have a policy that after 300GB traffic per month connection speed will be throttled down.</p><p>I calculate this means that a 1Mbps video connection 24x7 would barely fit under this threshold.<br>1 mbit/sec *3600 = 3600 mbit/hr<br>3600 / 8 = 400 MBytes/hr<br>400 * 24 * 30 = 288000 MB/mo. = 288 GB/mo.</p><p>I wouldn't mind paying more if the companies would just stop adding all kinds of crazy rules.<br>The worst is the huge amount paid for access speeds which while respectable themselves, are being sold at many times the effective rate. ISPs should be required to sell unfettered access at the same rate they pay for it, plus a fixed rate (say 5-10\%) to ensure market growth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FWIW I heard from a wireless provider 's salesperson that all of the major Internet Service Providers in Japan have a policy that after 300GB traffic per month connection speed will be throttled down.I calculate this means that a 1Mbps video connection 24x7 would barely fit under this threshold.1 mbit/sec * 3600 = 3600 mbit/hr3600 / 8 = 400 MBytes/hr400 * 24 * 30 = 288000 MB/mo .
= 288 GB/mo.I would n't mind paying more if the companies would just stop adding all kinds of crazy rules.The worst is the huge amount paid for access speeds which while respectable themselves , are being sold at many times the effective rate .
ISPs should be required to sell unfettered access at the same rate they pay for it , plus a fixed rate ( say 5-10 \ % ) to ensure market growth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FWIW I heard from a wireless provider's salesperson that all of the major Internet Service Providers in Japan have a policy that after 300GB traffic per month connection speed will be throttled down.I calculate this means that a 1Mbps video connection 24x7 would barely fit under this threshold.1 mbit/sec *3600 = 3600 mbit/hr3600 / 8 = 400 MBytes/hr400 * 24 * 30 = 288000 MB/mo.
= 288 GB/mo.I wouldn't mind paying more if the companies would just stop adding all kinds of crazy rules.The worst is the huge amount paid for access speeds which while respectable themselves, are being sold at many times the effective rate.
ISPs should be required to sell unfettered access at the same rate they pay for it, plus a fixed rate (say 5-10\%) to ensure market growth.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30436834</id>
	<title>Re:Told you so!</title>
	<author>StikyPad</author>
	<datestamp>1260791820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OT, where are you from and how do you like living there?  It seems like a place with a fairly solid tech industry and a completely different culture from the US, which sounds like a place I might want to experience, but I haven't really researched it much.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OT , where are you from and how do you like living there ?
It seems like a place with a fairly solid tech industry and a completely different culture from the US , which sounds like a place I might want to experience , but I have n't really researched it much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OT, where are you from and how do you like living there?
It seems like a place with a fairly solid tech industry and a completely different culture from the US, which sounds like a place I might want to experience, but I haven't really researched it much.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428484</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428334</id>
	<title>Bunk.</title>
	<author>Kickasso</author>
	<datestamp>1260730080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The "study" in question was performed in an extremely amateurish, non-scientific way.</p><p><a href="http://2jk.org/english/?p=153" title="2jk.org">http://2jk.org/english/?p=153</a> [2jk.org]</p><p>Read it for a good laugh or too, but don't give it any weight because it deserves none.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The " study " in question was performed in an extremely amateurish , non-scientific way.http : //2jk.org/english/ ? p = 153 [ 2jk.org ] Read it for a good laugh or too , but do n't give it any weight because it deserves none .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "study" in question was performed in an extremely amateurish, non-scientific way.http://2jk.org/english/?p=153 [2jk.org]Read it for a good laugh or too, but don't give it any weight because it deserves none.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428680</id>
	<title>Re:The Real Question</title>
	<author>Fuzzzy</author>
	<datestamp>1260822600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Ministry of Communication regards such malpractices with an unfavorite eye:<p><div class="quote"><p>Communications Ministry spokesman Dr. Yechiel Shabi said in response, "The research materials relayed to us paint a picture which arouses the need for thorough examination. After we become familiar with the study's findings, we shall consider the need for interference, supervision or regulation of the matter."</p></div><p>The MoC declared their commitment for the principle of Network Neutrality after a previous case of VoIP blocking by one of the cellular operator in Israel. However, beyond declarations actions are yet to be seen.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Ministry of Communication regards such malpractices with an unfavorite eye : Communications Ministry spokesman Dr. Yechiel Shabi said in response , " The research materials relayed to us paint a picture which arouses the need for thorough examination .
After we become familiar with the study 's findings , we shall consider the need for interference , supervision or regulation of the matter .
" The MoC declared their commitment for the principle of Network Neutrality after a previous case of VoIP blocking by one of the cellular operator in Israel .
However , beyond declarations actions are yet to be seen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Ministry of Communication regards such malpractices with an unfavorite eye:Communications Ministry spokesman Dr. Yechiel Shabi said in response, "The research materials relayed to us paint a picture which arouses the need for thorough examination.
After we become familiar with the study's findings, we shall consider the need for interference, supervision or regulation of the matter.
"The MoC declared their commitment for the principle of Network Neutrality after a previous case of VoIP blocking by one of the cellular operator in Israel.
However, beyond declarations actions are yet to be seen.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30427988</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428124</id>
	<title>Lobby groups</title>
	<author>GoochOwnsYou</author>
	<datestamp>1260727260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought that was our Govts job (Australia) to be the official buttkissers of the US Govt and lobby groups</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought that was our Govts job ( Australia ) to be the official buttkissers of the US Govt and lobby groups</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought that was our Govts job (Australia) to be the official buttkissers of the US Govt and lobby groups</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428548</id>
	<title>Re:Bunk.</title>
	<author>ghostdoc</author>
	<datestamp>1260733920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>/agree</p><p>I read the paper with increasing incredulousness.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>While we were unable to review the Switzerland logs, mostly due to our failure to coordinate between volunteers&rsquo; time to run the scripts, Switzerland assisted us in finding some interesting conclusions. We left a server to seed a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent file of a public domain video; our volunteers downloaded and uploaded the file again and again, looking for potential interference by the ISP or RST packets. We were unable to produce any substantial results or conclusions regarding traffic, mostly due to Switzerland&rsquo;s interface.</p></div><p>So they didn't get anything from Switzerland...</p><p>The Glasnost tests appeared to be more rigorously done, but 8 samples is a very low population, and there appeared to be no control.</p><p>Plus the out-of-context:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>However, after a massive number of attempts, we found out that another user is seeding our torrent, from the IP address 212.235.15.36 and not from the libTorrent Client we used (screenshot, screenshot ). We found a mention of such IP address in an Israeli Hardware forum describing it as one of Netvision&rsquo;s caching servers  (HWZone, 2009).</p></div><p>And no attempt to ascertain and eliminate alternative causes for the results.</p><p>Oh, and the spelling mistakes.</p><p>Like Kickasso said...this is worthless.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>/agreeI read the paper with increasing incredulousness.While we were unable to review the Switzerland logs , mostly due to our failure to coordinate between volunteers    time to run the scripts , Switzerland assisted us in finding some interesting conclusions .
We left a server to seed a .torrent file of a public domain video ; our volunteers downloaded and uploaded the file again and again , looking for potential interference by the ISP or RST packets .
We were unable to produce any substantial results or conclusions regarding traffic , mostly due to Switzerland    s interface.So they did n't get anything from Switzerland...The Glasnost tests appeared to be more rigorously done , but 8 samples is a very low population , and there appeared to be no control.Plus the out-of-context : However , after a massive number of attempts , we found out that another user is seeding our torrent , from the IP address 212.235.15.36 and not from the libTorrent Client we used ( screenshot , screenshot ) .
We found a mention of such IP address in an Israeli Hardware forum describing it as one of Netvision    s caching servers ( HWZone , 2009 ) .And no attempt to ascertain and eliminate alternative causes for the results.Oh , and the spelling mistakes.Like Kickasso said...this is worthless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>/agreeI read the paper with increasing incredulousness.While we were unable to review the Switzerland logs, mostly due to our failure to coordinate between volunteers’ time to run the scripts, Switzerland assisted us in finding some interesting conclusions.
We left a server to seed a .torrent file of a public domain video; our volunteers downloaded and uploaded the file again and again, looking for potential interference by the ISP or RST packets.
We were unable to produce any substantial results or conclusions regarding traffic, mostly due to Switzerland’s interface.So they didn't get anything from Switzerland...The Glasnost tests appeared to be more rigorously done, but 8 samples is a very low population, and there appeared to be no control.Plus the out-of-context:However, after a massive number of attempts, we found out that another user is seeding our torrent, from the IP address 212.235.15.36 and not from the libTorrent Client we used (screenshot, screenshot ).
We found a mention of such IP address in an Israeli Hardware forum describing it as one of Netvision’s caching servers  (HWZone, 2009).And no attempt to ascertain and eliminate alternative causes for the results.Oh, and the spelling mistakes.Like Kickasso said...this is worthless.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428334</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428114</id>
	<title>Its the lies and cover up that bugs me</title>
	<author>Camael</author>
	<datestamp>1260727200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most of these isps try to justify their actions with the excuse that they need to restrict pvp users so that other users consuming less bandwidth can enjoy decent surfing/transfer rates.

While arguably laudable, what really irks me is that these plans were largely sold to users (including pvp users) as non-capped unlimited bandwidth plans.

If they wish to restrict or apply caps, they should be up-front about it. And by up-front, I don't mean burying it in the contract's fine print.

These throttling and scanning attempts would likely lead to civil suits for breach of contract, fraud and/or deceptive advertising in any other industry.

It's surely not a coincidence that the Israeli and Japanese ISPs referred to are actively trying to hide their actions.

The difficulty is that it is difficult for individual users to challenge the actions of these ISPs who more often than not have deep pockets or a near monopoly over internet connectivity in their sphere of the world. Corporate bullying at its best.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of these isps try to justify their actions with the excuse that they need to restrict pvp users so that other users consuming less bandwidth can enjoy decent surfing/transfer rates .
While arguably laudable , what really irks me is that these plans were largely sold to users ( including pvp users ) as non-capped unlimited bandwidth plans .
If they wish to restrict or apply caps , they should be up-front about it .
And by up-front , I do n't mean burying it in the contract 's fine print .
These throttling and scanning attempts would likely lead to civil suits for breach of contract , fraud and/or deceptive advertising in any other industry .
It 's surely not a coincidence that the Israeli and Japanese ISPs referred to are actively trying to hide their actions .
The difficulty is that it is difficult for individual users to challenge the actions of these ISPs who more often than not have deep pockets or a near monopoly over internet connectivity in their sphere of the world .
Corporate bullying at its best .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of these isps try to justify their actions with the excuse that they need to restrict pvp users so that other users consuming less bandwidth can enjoy decent surfing/transfer rates.
While arguably laudable, what really irks me is that these plans were largely sold to users (including pvp users) as non-capped unlimited bandwidth plans.
If they wish to restrict or apply caps, they should be up-front about it.
And by up-front, I don't mean burying it in the contract's fine print.
These throttling and scanning attempts would likely lead to civil suits for breach of contract, fraud and/or deceptive advertising in any other industry.
It's surely not a coincidence that the Israeli and Japanese ISPs referred to are actively trying to hide their actions.
The difficulty is that it is difficult for individual users to challenge the actions of these ISPs who more often than not have deep pockets or a near monopoly over internet connectivity in their sphere of the world.
Corporate bullying at its best.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428336</id>
	<title>Re:Gutless</title>
	<author>Fluffeh</author>
	<datestamp>1260730080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, I never had any issues with Internode (www.internode.on.net) throttling my P2P. Initially, I used to be with TPG (and to be honest, when they were first around, they didn't throttle it either and were half decent) but around 2-3 years ago, they changed their policy and throttled the buggery out of anything P2P. I can tell you that trying to download a warcraft patch (well, the major ones anyhow) for 2 days just isn't good enough.

At the moment, Optus Cable seems quite good too, though I only get Warcraft patches from it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I never had any issues with Internode ( www.internode.on.net ) throttling my P2P .
Initially , I used to be with TPG ( and to be honest , when they were first around , they did n't throttle it either and were half decent ) but around 2-3 years ago , they changed their policy and throttled the buggery out of anything P2P .
I can tell you that trying to download a warcraft patch ( well , the major ones anyhow ) for 2 days just is n't good enough .
At the moment , Optus Cable seems quite good too , though I only get Warcraft patches from it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I never had any issues with Internode (www.internode.on.net) throttling my P2P.
Initially, I used to be with TPG (and to be honest, when they were first around, they didn't throttle it either and were half decent) but around 2-3 years ago, they changed their policy and throttled the buggery out of anything P2P.
I can tell you that trying to download a warcraft patch (well, the major ones anyhow) for 2 days just isn't good enough.
At the moment, Optus Cable seems quite good too, though I only get Warcraft patches from it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428064</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428212</id>
	<title>Re:Throttling</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260728340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Really?  A year or so ago it was public knowledge that the only limits on Japanese internet service was their <b>30GB per day</b> upload cap.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ?
A year or so ago it was public knowledge that the only limits on Japanese internet service was their 30GB per day upload cap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
A year or so ago it was public knowledge that the only limits on Japanese internet service was their 30GB per day upload cap.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428016</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30429138</id>
	<title>i cold have showed you data 6 months ago proving</title>
	<author>CHRONOSS2008</author>
	<datestamp>1260786600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>/.<br>no news here</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>/.no news here</tokentext>
<sentencetext>/.no news here</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30434466</id>
	<title>Not really</title>
	<author>Snaller</author>
	<datestamp>1260822840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they think they are entitled to kill people because of the unprovable fantasy being they worship - do you think they give one crap about their spooks snooping on everybody else?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they think they are entitled to kill people because of the unprovable fantasy being they worship - do you think they give one crap about their spooks snooping on everybody else ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they think they are entitled to kill people because of the unprovable fantasy being they worship - do you think they give one crap about their spooks snooping on everybody else?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30427988</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30429874</id>
	<title>Re:Gutless</title>
	<author>thue</author>
	<datestamp>1260798240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is bandwidth really that expensive? I am administrating a connection for 300 college student, which is run without any limitations whatsoever. The connection is 100Mbit/100Mbit, which is seldom fully used.</p><p>The bandwidth costs are $4/person. Maybe $8/person if you include establishment costs for laying the fiber.</p><p>So when you hear about ISPs adding limitations, I think it is often a question of them trying to squeeze the last dime out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is bandwidth really that expensive ?
I am administrating a connection for 300 college student , which is run without any limitations whatsoever .
The connection is 100Mbit/100Mbit , which is seldom fully used.The bandwidth costs are $ 4/person .
Maybe $ 8/person if you include establishment costs for laying the fiber.So when you hear about ISPs adding limitations , I think it is often a question of them trying to squeeze the last dime out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is bandwidth really that expensive?
I am administrating a connection for 300 college student, which is run without any limitations whatsoever.
The connection is 100Mbit/100Mbit, which is seldom fully used.The bandwidth costs are $4/person.
Maybe $8/person if you include establishment costs for laying the fiber.So when you hear about ISPs adding limitations, I think it is often a question of them trying to squeeze the last dime out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428064</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30431780</id>
	<title>Re:Told you so!</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1260809640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This post was just <b>begging</b> for a <tt>[NO  CARRIER]</tt> joke.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This post was just begging for a [ NO CARRIER ] joke .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This post was just begging for a [NO  CARRIER] joke.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428484</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30432460</id>
	<title>Gambling at Ricks?</title>
	<author>ElmoGonzo</author>
	<datestamp>1260812940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd have been surprised if they DIDN'T find anything.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd have been surprised if they DID N'T find anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd have been surprised if they DIDN'T find anything.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428600</id>
	<title>Re:Its the lies and cover up that bugs me</title>
	<author>Ihmhi</author>
	<datestamp>1260821040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>restrict pvp users</p></div><p>No wonder the Battlegrounds have been so laggy lately...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>restrict pvp usersNo wonder the Battlegrounds have been so laggy lately.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>restrict pvp usersNo wonder the Battlegrounds have been so laggy lately...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428114</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30429980</id>
	<title>Re:Throttling</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260799440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm currently living in Japan, and have Jcom's 150mbit cable internet service.  As far as I know there aren't any usage caps, and I've pushed 200GB in a day (let alone a month) without any sorts of repercussions.  I can't tell from your post if the wireless provider's salesperson was speaking  to wireless broadband in Japan or wired (like I am referring to).</p><p>As a side note, I also have Docomo's 7.1 mbit wireless broadband service.  When I signed up I was assured it was unlimited use, although I'm not naive enough to think that that really means unlimited, and I'd even be surprised if the cap was as high as 300GB/month.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm currently living in Japan , and have Jcom 's 150mbit cable internet service .
As far as I know there are n't any usage caps , and I 've pushed 200GB in a day ( let alone a month ) without any sorts of repercussions .
I ca n't tell from your post if the wireless provider 's salesperson was speaking to wireless broadband in Japan or wired ( like I am referring to ) .As a side note , I also have Docomo 's 7.1 mbit wireless broadband service .
When I signed up I was assured it was unlimited use , although I 'm not naive enough to think that that really means unlimited , and I 'd even be surprised if the cap was as high as 300GB/month .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm currently living in Japan, and have Jcom's 150mbit cable internet service.
As far as I know there aren't any usage caps, and I've pushed 200GB in a day (let alone a month) without any sorts of repercussions.
I can't tell from your post if the wireless provider's salesperson was speaking  to wireless broadband in Japan or wired (like I am referring to).As a side note, I also have Docomo's 7.1 mbit wireless broadband service.
When I signed up I was assured it was unlimited use, although I'm not naive enough to think that that really means unlimited, and I'd even be surprised if the cap was as high as 300GB/month.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428016</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428224</id>
	<title>Re:Throttling</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260728460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>150gb and lower limit here in Australia for 10mbit+ connections.<br>I pay $70AUD/month for this...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>150gb and lower limit here in Australia for 10mbit + connections.I pay $ 70AUD/month for this.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>150gb and lower limit here in Australia for 10mbit+ connections.I pay $70AUD/month for this...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428016</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428138</id>
	<title>i have "evil" verizon fios</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260727440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And I must report it is fast as fuck and they never fuck with me. Maybe verizon is evil to the MPAA but not to the customer, don't believe the hype.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And I must report it is fast as fuck and they never fuck with me .
Maybe verizon is evil to the MPAA but not to the customer , do n't believe the hype .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I must report it is fast as fuck and they never fuck with me.
Maybe verizon is evil to the MPAA but not to the customer, don't believe the hype.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30440790</id>
	<title>Re:Told you so!</title>
	<author>X.mpls</author>
	<datestamp>1260815940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have also lived in Israel for the last 4.5 months and have subscribed to the DSL service provided by Bezeq.  They only offer DSL in this part of Jerusalem, it's beyond me why they do not allow us cable connections despite having cable outlets in every single room of the apartments (there are hundreds where I live).  BitTorrent is actually relatively stable.  I regularly max out my connection which is a measly 2.5mbit/.3mbit with bit torrent.  Whereas with SFTP and FTP/S/ES, I regularly get speeds fractions of what I should be getting.  Skype has been decent to me as well, but making calls to my family 4000 miles away has brought video lag and sometimes low-quality audio.  I cannot diagnose if this is the ISPs fault or bandwidth shortage in conjunction with the extreme distance the data must travel (my latency/ping is about ~230ms [http://www.pingtest.net/result/5689614.png]).

Israel is a bit lacking when it comes to internet service.  My university here is also locked down even though they offer about a 70.5mbit/20.5mbit connection they have managed to restrict just about every port so AIM is out of the question in addition to FTP, FTP/S/ES.  SFTP still works.

I'm not sure what the security concern is.  And I'm definitely not sure why the Israeli ISPs overtly care to p2p traffic.  The Israeli government does not care about anything except its military.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have also lived in Israel for the last 4.5 months and have subscribed to the DSL service provided by Bezeq .
They only offer DSL in this part of Jerusalem , it 's beyond me why they do not allow us cable connections despite having cable outlets in every single room of the apartments ( there are hundreds where I live ) .
BitTorrent is actually relatively stable .
I regularly max out my connection which is a measly 2.5mbit/.3mbit with bit torrent .
Whereas with SFTP and FTP/S/ES , I regularly get speeds fractions of what I should be getting .
Skype has been decent to me as well , but making calls to my family 4000 miles away has brought video lag and sometimes low-quality audio .
I can not diagnose if this is the ISPs fault or bandwidth shortage in conjunction with the extreme distance the data must travel ( my latency/ping is about ~ 230ms [ http : //www.pingtest.net/result/5689614.png ] ) .
Israel is a bit lacking when it comes to internet service .
My university here is also locked down even though they offer about a 70.5mbit/20.5mbit connection they have managed to restrict just about every port so AIM is out of the question in addition to FTP , FTP/S/ES .
SFTP still works .
I 'm not sure what the security concern is .
And I 'm definitely not sure why the Israeli ISPs overtly care to p2p traffic .
The Israeli government does not care about anything except its military .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have also lived in Israel for the last 4.5 months and have subscribed to the DSL service provided by Bezeq.
They only offer DSL in this part of Jerusalem, it's beyond me why they do not allow us cable connections despite having cable outlets in every single room of the apartments (there are hundreds where I live).
BitTorrent is actually relatively stable.
I regularly max out my connection which is a measly 2.5mbit/.3mbit with bit torrent.
Whereas with SFTP and FTP/S/ES, I regularly get speeds fractions of what I should be getting.
Skype has been decent to me as well, but making calls to my family 4000 miles away has brought video lag and sometimes low-quality audio.
I cannot diagnose if this is the ISPs fault or bandwidth shortage in conjunction with the extreme distance the data must travel (my latency/ping is about ~230ms [http://www.pingtest.net/result/5689614.png]).
Israel is a bit lacking when it comes to internet service.
My university here is also locked down even though they offer about a 70.5mbit/20.5mbit connection they have managed to restrict just about every port so AIM is out of the question in addition to FTP, FTP/S/ES.
SFTP still works.
I'm not sure what the security concern is.
And I'm definitely not sure why the Israeli ISPs overtly care to p2p traffic.
The Israeli government does not care about anything except its military.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428484</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30429804</id>
	<title>How is this news?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260797460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hell, the jew has been trying to screw people out of their livelihood (and even their lives) for centuries. It's one of the reasons the jew is despised the world over. Personally, I immediately ban any Israeli I see on my peer-to-peer.Enough is leeched off of me by the jew through my taxes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hell , the jew has been trying to screw people out of their livelihood ( and even their lives ) for centuries .
It 's one of the reasons the jew is despised the world over .
Personally , I immediately ban any Israeli I see on my peer-to-peer.Enough is leeched off of me by the jew through my taxes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hell, the jew has been trying to screw people out of their livelihood (and even their lives) for centuries.
It's one of the reasons the jew is despised the world over.
Personally, I immediately ban any Israeli I see on my peer-to-peer.Enough is leeched off of me by the jew through my taxes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30429318</id>
	<title>Well there's not really a choice</title>
	<author>Sycraft-fu</author>
	<datestamp>1260789480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can't have everything. Internet connections are cheap because they are shared. People don't have dedicated bandwidth, they share it with everyone else. Works out, because normally you don't use all your bandwidth all the time. As such you can oversubscribe the links. You see this in offices all the time. I have a gig to my desk, however the switch in your area only has a gig back to the floor switches. Those only have a gig to the building switch, that only has a gig to the core switches and so on. However, all in all I still get blazing fast speeds on the network because people aren't all using it at the same time. Thus we can afford to roll out gig. We couldn't if we had to do dedicated bandwidth. We'd need two 10gig connections just from our switch to the floor switches, the building would probably need OC-768, maybe more than one. I shudder to think what the core switches would have to have.</p><p>Ok well same deal but larger on the Internet. So unless everyone wants to have rather slow, pricey, connections the only option is some limits to make sure people share.</p><p>In Japan, it doesn't at all surprise me that they'd have limits like this because the trend seems to be to sell connections with allegedly massive speeds with low prices. All the time on Slashdot we see stories about how in Japan you can have 100 or 1000mbit Internet for cheap. Ya well ok, here's news for you: You can't really have that. Yes the physical signaling rate might be that high, but you aren't getting that kind of speed all the time everywhere. They couldn't afford the links required for that. For that matter you generally don't even get your peak speeds except to others on the same ISP. I've seen people from Japan talk about how fast tehy get a file, but when you do the math it works out to 10-20mb/sec, same kind of thing you get on US cable connections.</p><p>Where I live at least, you have a choice to a large degree because you can buy business class connections. My cable company (Cox) sells both residential and business connections. They follow the same bandwidth tiers, though in a given tier business connections usually have a little more upload speed. However, business connections are a whole lot more expensive. Well why is that? They can't make you buy a business connection.</p><p>Well the reason is business connections don't have restrictions, residential ones do. You can't run servers on residential connections, you can on business connections. If you do too much traffic on a residential connection they'll call you and/or throttle you. On a business connection you can do as much as you like and you'll hear not a thing. The tradeoff is that max speeds you'd get for like $40-50 on a residential connection, you'll pay $120 for on a business connection.</p><p>So if you really want to pay more, look in to it because you probably can. However, don't then cry that it is in fact a good bit more. Also, you probalby don't really want ISPs selling you access for the prices they pay. High grade lines are very pricey. That is why they get that, and then oversubscribe it. They can resell it for lower cost since they have more customers. On OC-3 circuit (155mbps) to a Tier 1 provider is generally in the realm of $10,000 and up per month. Means if they were to sell you a 15mbps cable connection at "their rates" you'd be paying like a grand a month. Better perhaps that you then share with a few people and get a more reasonable price.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't have everything .
Internet connections are cheap because they are shared .
People do n't have dedicated bandwidth , they share it with everyone else .
Works out , because normally you do n't use all your bandwidth all the time .
As such you can oversubscribe the links .
You see this in offices all the time .
I have a gig to my desk , however the switch in your area only has a gig back to the floor switches .
Those only have a gig to the building switch , that only has a gig to the core switches and so on .
However , all in all I still get blazing fast speeds on the network because people are n't all using it at the same time .
Thus we can afford to roll out gig .
We could n't if we had to do dedicated bandwidth .
We 'd need two 10gig connections just from our switch to the floor switches , the building would probably need OC-768 , maybe more than one .
I shudder to think what the core switches would have to have.Ok well same deal but larger on the Internet .
So unless everyone wants to have rather slow , pricey , connections the only option is some limits to make sure people share.In Japan , it does n't at all surprise me that they 'd have limits like this because the trend seems to be to sell connections with allegedly massive speeds with low prices .
All the time on Slashdot we see stories about how in Japan you can have 100 or 1000mbit Internet for cheap .
Ya well ok , here 's news for you : You ca n't really have that .
Yes the physical signaling rate might be that high , but you are n't getting that kind of speed all the time everywhere .
They could n't afford the links required for that .
For that matter you generally do n't even get your peak speeds except to others on the same ISP .
I 've seen people from Japan talk about how fast tehy get a file , but when you do the math it works out to 10-20mb/sec , same kind of thing you get on US cable connections.Where I live at least , you have a choice to a large degree because you can buy business class connections .
My cable company ( Cox ) sells both residential and business connections .
They follow the same bandwidth tiers , though in a given tier business connections usually have a little more upload speed .
However , business connections are a whole lot more expensive .
Well why is that ?
They ca n't make you buy a business connection.Well the reason is business connections do n't have restrictions , residential ones do .
You ca n't run servers on residential connections , you can on business connections .
If you do too much traffic on a residential connection they 'll call you and/or throttle you .
On a business connection you can do as much as you like and you 'll hear not a thing .
The tradeoff is that max speeds you 'd get for like $ 40-50 on a residential connection , you 'll pay $ 120 for on a business connection.So if you really want to pay more , look in to it because you probably can .
However , do n't then cry that it is in fact a good bit more .
Also , you probalby do n't really want ISPs selling you access for the prices they pay .
High grade lines are very pricey .
That is why they get that , and then oversubscribe it .
They can resell it for lower cost since they have more customers .
On OC-3 circuit ( 155mbps ) to a Tier 1 provider is generally in the realm of $ 10,000 and up per month .
Means if they were to sell you a 15mbps cable connection at " their rates " you 'd be paying like a grand a month .
Better perhaps that you then share with a few people and get a more reasonable price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't have everything.
Internet connections are cheap because they are shared.
People don't have dedicated bandwidth, they share it with everyone else.
Works out, because normally you don't use all your bandwidth all the time.
As such you can oversubscribe the links.
You see this in offices all the time.
I have a gig to my desk, however the switch in your area only has a gig back to the floor switches.
Those only have a gig to the building switch, that only has a gig to the core switches and so on.
However, all in all I still get blazing fast speeds on the network because people aren't all using it at the same time.
Thus we can afford to roll out gig.
We couldn't if we had to do dedicated bandwidth.
We'd need two 10gig connections just from our switch to the floor switches, the building would probably need OC-768, maybe more than one.
I shudder to think what the core switches would have to have.Ok well same deal but larger on the Internet.
So unless everyone wants to have rather slow, pricey, connections the only option is some limits to make sure people share.In Japan, it doesn't at all surprise me that they'd have limits like this because the trend seems to be to sell connections with allegedly massive speeds with low prices.
All the time on Slashdot we see stories about how in Japan you can have 100 or 1000mbit Internet for cheap.
Ya well ok, here's news for you: You can't really have that.
Yes the physical signaling rate might be that high, but you aren't getting that kind of speed all the time everywhere.
They couldn't afford the links required for that.
For that matter you generally don't even get your peak speeds except to others on the same ISP.
I've seen people from Japan talk about how fast tehy get a file, but when you do the math it works out to 10-20mb/sec, same kind of thing you get on US cable connections.Where I live at least, you have a choice to a large degree because you can buy business class connections.
My cable company (Cox) sells both residential and business connections.
They follow the same bandwidth tiers, though in a given tier business connections usually have a little more upload speed.
However, business connections are a whole lot more expensive.
Well why is that?
They can't make you buy a business connection.Well the reason is business connections don't have restrictions, residential ones do.
You can't run servers on residential connections, you can on business connections.
If you do too much traffic on a residential connection they'll call you and/or throttle you.
On a business connection you can do as much as you like and you'll hear not a thing.
The tradeoff is that max speeds you'd get for like $40-50 on a residential connection, you'll pay $120 for on a business connection.So if you really want to pay more, look in to it because you probably can.
However, don't then cry that it is in fact a good bit more.
Also, you probalby don't really want ISPs selling you access for the prices they pay.
High grade lines are very pricey.
That is why they get that, and then oversubscribe it.
They can resell it for lower cost since they have more customers.
On OC-3 circuit (155mbps) to a Tier 1 provider is generally in the realm of $10,000 and up per month.
Means if they were to sell you a 15mbps cable connection at "their rates" you'd be paying like a grand a month.
Better perhaps that you then share with a few people and get a more reasonable price.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428940</id>
	<title>Re:Gutless</title>
	<author>BrokenHalo</author>
	<datestamp>1260783000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've heard good things about Internode too. I've been with iiNet ever since they were first of the block with dsl2+, and I strongly suspect them of throttling P2P. Fortunately I don't use it enough to care much, and I'm moving in 6 months, so it's not worth the trouble of dumping them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've heard good things about Internode too .
I 've been with iiNet ever since they were first of the block with dsl2 + , and I strongly suspect them of throttling P2P .
Fortunately I do n't use it enough to care much , and I 'm moving in 6 months , so it 's not worth the trouble of dumping them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've heard good things about Internode too.
I've been with iiNet ever since they were first of the block with dsl2+, and I strongly suspect them of throttling P2P.
Fortunately I don't use it enough to care much, and I'm moving in 6 months, so it's not worth the trouble of dumping them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428378</id>
	<title>Old news!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260730800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.torrentleech.org/faq.php#77<br>http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3498568,00.html (sorry I can't find the english version)</p><p>This is not new and has been known for a while...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.torrentleech.org/faq.php # 77http : //www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3498568,00.html ( sorry I ca n't find the english version ) This is not new and has been known for a while.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.torrentleech.org/faq.php#77http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3498568,00.html (sorry I can't find the english version)This is not new and has been known for a while...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428980</id>
	<title>Re:Told you so!</title>
	<author>BrokenHalo</author>
	<datestamp>1260783540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's a bit nasty of them to fool with skype. It's not as if it creates a huge demand on bandwidth, even if it does use P2P to underpin its protocol.<br> <br>
I've had this problem from time to time with certain university connections, and have sometimes found that changing skype's default port setting to port 80 helps to get around some of the lag. YMMV.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a bit nasty of them to fool with skype .
It 's not as if it creates a huge demand on bandwidth , even if it does use P2P to underpin its protocol .
I 've had this problem from time to time with certain university connections , and have sometimes found that changing skype 's default port setting to port 80 helps to get around some of the lag .
YMMV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a bit nasty of them to fool with skype.
It's not as if it creates a huge demand on bandwidth, even if it does use P2P to underpin its protocol.
I've had this problem from time to time with certain university connections, and have sometimes found that changing skype's default port setting to port 80 helps to get around some of the lag.
YMMV.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30432832</id>
	<title>The bigger questions</title>
	<author>bonch</author>
	<datestamp>1260814500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bigger questions:</p><p>* Why would the Israeli government be less likely than ISPs to regulate P2P traffic, especially when governments are susceptible to lobby groups?  "Net neutrality" is a sham.</p><p>* Why isn't an ISP allowed to regulate its own traffic?  If there's a lot of P2P traffic interfering with the rest of its network, it's allowed to regulate it.  College networks do it all the time.</p><p>*  Why is this under "Your Rights Online?"  You don't have a right to internet traffic.  It's a commercial service you pay for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bigger questions : * Why would the Israeli government be less likely than ISPs to regulate P2P traffic , especially when governments are susceptible to lobby groups ?
" Net neutrality " is a sham .
* Why is n't an ISP allowed to regulate its own traffic ?
If there 's a lot of P2P traffic interfering with the rest of its network , it 's allowed to regulate it .
College networks do it all the time .
* Why is this under " Your Rights Online ?
" You do n't have a right to internet traffic .
It 's a commercial service you pay for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bigger questions:* Why would the Israeli government be less likely than ISPs to regulate P2P traffic, especially when governments are susceptible to lobby groups?
"Net neutrality" is a sham.
* Why isn't an ISP allowed to regulate its own traffic?
If there's a lot of P2P traffic interfering with the rest of its network, it's allowed to regulate it.
College networks do it all the time.
*  Why is this under "Your Rights Online?
"  You don't have a right to internet traffic.
It's a commercial service you pay for.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30428508</id>
	<title>The main problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260733200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Main problem is that because there are so many violations of human rights in Israel, when you violate just another one no body seems to mind..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Main problem is that because there are so many violations of human rights in Israel , when you violate just another one no body seems to mind. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Main problem is that because there are so many violations of human rights in Israel, when you violate just another one no body seems to mind..</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30427968</id>
	<title>frist jew</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260725400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>inb4dajewz</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>inb4dajewz</tokentext>
<sentencetext>inb4dajewz</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30429464</id>
	<title>Would not surprise me in the least</title>
	<author>PHPfanboy</author>
	<datestamp>1260791760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Given that:<br>1) the ISP situation is completely wacko in this country you pay first for a physical line connection (from Phone Monopoly or from Cable Monopoly) and then extra for a completely separate ISP (who are the ones investigated here) where both need extra payment for faster connections<br>2) the physical line companies are upgrading their infrastructure to give 50 mbps level speed and movie/TV content service and/or also provide VOD services</p><p>I would be surprised if this is NOT happening.</p><p>Israeli telecoms/utilities companies are not renowned for good value for money  and there are plenty of IP-traffic related companies looking for cheap pilot installations which they can leverage as references when they go to sell in global markets.</p><p>Aside from Israelis not liking to pay for anything unless they have to, there are few legal purchasing outlets for digital content and if you want music/movies your choice is pretty much:<br>1) buy a CD (remember them!)<br>2) download it from P2P<br>3) have a credit card and bank account in a foreign country that does have an iTunes Music Store (for example)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given that : 1 ) the ISP situation is completely wacko in this country you pay first for a physical line connection ( from Phone Monopoly or from Cable Monopoly ) and then extra for a completely separate ISP ( who are the ones investigated here ) where both need extra payment for faster connections2 ) the physical line companies are upgrading their infrastructure to give 50 mbps level speed and movie/TV content service and/or also provide VOD servicesI would be surprised if this is NOT happening.Israeli telecoms/utilities companies are not renowned for good value for money and there are plenty of IP-traffic related companies looking for cheap pilot installations which they can leverage as references when they go to sell in global markets.Aside from Israelis not liking to pay for anything unless they have to , there are few legal purchasing outlets for digital content and if you want music/movies your choice is pretty much : 1 ) buy a CD ( remember them !
) 2 ) download it from P2P3 ) have a credit card and bank account in a foreign country that does have an iTunes Music Store ( for example )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given that:1) the ISP situation is completely wacko in this country you pay first for a physical line connection (from Phone Monopoly or from Cable Monopoly) and then extra for a completely separate ISP (who are the ones investigated here) where both need extra payment for faster connections2) the physical line companies are upgrading their infrastructure to give 50 mbps level speed and movie/TV content service and/or also provide VOD servicesI would be surprised if this is NOT happening.Israeli telecoms/utilities companies are not renowned for good value for money  and there are plenty of IP-traffic related companies looking for cheap pilot installations which they can leverage as references when they go to sell in global markets.Aside from Israelis not liking to pay for anything unless they have to, there are few legal purchasing outlets for digital content and if you want music/movies your choice is pretty much:1) buy a CD (remember them!
)2) download it from P2P3) have a credit card and bank account in a foreign country that does have an iTunes Music Store (for example)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30429492</id>
	<title>Re:Its the lies and cover up that bugs me</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1260792120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>While arguably laudable, what really irks me is that these plans were largely sold to users (including pvp users) as non-capped unlimited bandwidth plans.</i> </p><p>I'd be very much surprised if your contract for broadband service at the mass market price includes <b>any</b> quaranteed quality of service whatever.</p><p>The adds will promise an "always on" connection and speeds up to X - when and as available. Nothing more.</p><p>Pretty much the same deal the telephone company was offering in 1886.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While arguably laudable , what really irks me is that these plans were largely sold to users ( including pvp users ) as non-capped unlimited bandwidth plans .
I 'd be very much surprised if your contract for broadband service at the mass market price includes any quaranteed quality of service whatever.The adds will promise an " always on " connection and speeds up to X - when and as available .
Nothing more.Pretty much the same deal the telephone company was offering in 1886 .
   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>While arguably laudable, what really irks me is that these plans were largely sold to users (including pvp users) as non-capped unlimited bandwidth plans.
I'd be very much surprised if your contract for broadband service at the mass market price includes any quaranteed quality of service whatever.The adds will promise an "always on" connection and speeds up to X - when and as available.
Nothing more.Pretty much the same deal the telephone company was offering in 1886.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_14_0056209.30438404</id>
	<title>Re:Throttling</title>
	<author>MidnightBrewer</author>
	<datestamp>1260798900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's great math, but even as a heavy user living in Japan myself, I couldn't feasibly use that amount of data in a month. Frankly, there are very few servers I can connect to that can hold up their end of the transfer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's great math , but even as a heavy user living in Japan myself , I could n't feasibly use that amount of data in a month .
Frankly , there are very few servers I can connect to that can hold up their end of the transfer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's great math, but even as a heavy user living in Japan myself, I couldn't feasibly use that amount of data in a month.
Frankly, there are very few servers I can connect to that can hold up their end of the transfer.</sentencetext>
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