<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_13_1648205</id>
	<title>Are Sat-Nav Systems Becoming Information Overload?</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1260724980000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>curtS writes <i>"<em>The Economist</em>'s tech editor reviews the ever-more-detailed assistance of mobile GPS devices, and wonders if <a href="http://www.economist.com/sciencetechnology/displayStory.cfm?story\_id=15101353">the attention-sucking visual complexity</a> isn't more trouble than it's worth.  He contrasts the simplicity of London's Underground map (not directionally accurate but visually easy to understand) and his own habit of dimming the display and using the audio commands for guidance."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>curtS writes " The Economist 's tech editor reviews the ever-more-detailed assistance of mobile GPS devices , and wonders if the attention-sucking visual complexity is n't more trouble than it 's worth .
He contrasts the simplicity of London 's Underground map ( not directionally accurate but visually easy to understand ) and his own habit of dimming the display and using the audio commands for guidance .
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<sentencetext>curtS writes "The Economist's tech editor reviews the ever-more-detailed assistance of mobile GPS devices, and wonders if the attention-sucking visual complexity isn't more trouble than it's worth.
He contrasts the simplicity of London's Underground map (not directionally accurate but visually easy to understand) and his own habit of dimming the display and using the audio commands for guidance.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30428664</id>
	<title>Re:.no</title>
	<author>Ozymandias\_KoK</author>
	<datestamp>1260822420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's all well and good for you, but it doesn't hold up well applied across a general spectrum.  Travel is not necessarily about adventure.  Travel can also be about business, about getting things done, about getting to the hospital in time.  It's all about your usage.  I took a trip a few months back where I knew exactly where to go over the course of 4-5 hours except for the literal last 5 minutes of the trip.  Nice Lady didn't tell me when to get gas nor particularly bother me about turns, since I turned her volume down.  It was nice to have the projected time of arrival to relay to my brother, as we took a couple of detours and breaks.  Nice Lady doesn't bitch at me when I go offroute; she dutifully figures out the new route, which I am free to ignore as well.  You act like GPS is some kind of prison or detriment to travel, but it is no more so than a map would be.  People who want to go straight to their destination can do that, and people who want to wander can do that equally well, either with a GPS, a map, compass, dead reckoning, or terrain association.  Your method / purpose of travel is not your method of navigation.</p><p>GPS doesn't make anyone less capable of navigation.  If you can find the way, you can turn off or ignore the GPS.  If you can't, that GPS makes you more capable.  A map also helps find things, but the lack of "You Are Here" complicates things more.  Don't rail against GPS if you don't need it or don't like it.  Just don't use it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's all well and good for you , but it does n't hold up well applied across a general spectrum .
Travel is not necessarily about adventure .
Travel can also be about business , about getting things done , about getting to the hospital in time .
It 's all about your usage .
I took a trip a few months back where I knew exactly where to go over the course of 4-5 hours except for the literal last 5 minutes of the trip .
Nice Lady did n't tell me when to get gas nor particularly bother me about turns , since I turned her volume down .
It was nice to have the projected time of arrival to relay to my brother , as we took a couple of detours and breaks .
Nice Lady does n't bitch at me when I go offroute ; she dutifully figures out the new route , which I am free to ignore as well .
You act like GPS is some kind of prison or detriment to travel , but it is no more so than a map would be .
People who want to go straight to their destination can do that , and people who want to wander can do that equally well , either with a GPS , a map , compass , dead reckoning , or terrain association .
Your method / purpose of travel is not your method of navigation.GPS does n't make anyone less capable of navigation .
If you can find the way , you can turn off or ignore the GPS .
If you ca n't , that GPS makes you more capable .
A map also helps find things , but the lack of " You Are Here " complicates things more .
Do n't rail against GPS if you do n't need it or do n't like it .
Just do n't use it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's all well and good for you, but it doesn't hold up well applied across a general spectrum.
Travel is not necessarily about adventure.
Travel can also be about business, about getting things done, about getting to the hospital in time.
It's all about your usage.
I took a trip a few months back where I knew exactly where to go over the course of 4-5 hours except for the literal last 5 minutes of the trip.
Nice Lady didn't tell me when to get gas nor particularly bother me about turns, since I turned her volume down.
It was nice to have the projected time of arrival to relay to my brother, as we took a couple of detours and breaks.
Nice Lady doesn't bitch at me when I go offroute; she dutifully figures out the new route, which I am free to ignore as well.
You act like GPS is some kind of prison or detriment to travel, but it is no more so than a map would be.
People who want to go straight to their destination can do that, and people who want to wander can do that equally well, either with a GPS, a map, compass, dead reckoning, or terrain association.
Your method / purpose of travel is not your method of navigation.GPS doesn't make anyone less capable of navigation.
If you can find the way, you can turn off or ignore the GPS.
If you can't, that GPS makes you more capable.
A map also helps find things, but the lack of "You Are Here" complicates things more.
Don't rail against GPS if you don't need it or don't like it.
Just don't use it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30424690</id>
	<title>I for one welcome our new information overlords</title>
	<author>trickyrickb</author>
	<datestamp>1260696060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh wait....</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh wait... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh wait....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30427422</id>
	<title>Re:Case in point</title>
	<author>PitaBred</author>
	<datestamp>1260718980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Would a paper map have said that trucks weren't allowed? He could ignore the road signs no matter what navigation aid he was using. He was just an idiot... GPS doesn't make people any stupider than they already are.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would a paper map have said that trucks were n't allowed ?
He could ignore the road signs no matter what navigation aid he was using .
He was just an idiot... GPS does n't make people any stupider than they already are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would a paper map have said that trucks weren't allowed?
He could ignore the road signs no matter what navigation aid he was using.
He was just an idiot... GPS doesn't make people any stupider than they already are.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423856</id>
	<title>Map and asking for directions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260731760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Personally, I get along just fine with a map and asking for directions the occasional time where I can't find a location either due to extreme density or sparsity. I've used a general outdoors GPS in conjunction with a laptop on a cross country road trip for additional assistance/backup where asking for directions isn't advisable, but we park and look it up. I don't see a need for these in your face nav systems. Focus on driving and taking in landmarks and navigational/compass clues, and you won't need the stupid nav system quite so much. In-Car digital compasses may help when you lose your bearing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , I get along just fine with a map and asking for directions the occasional time where I ca n't find a location either due to extreme density or sparsity .
I 've used a general outdoors GPS in conjunction with a laptop on a cross country road trip for additional assistance/backup where asking for directions is n't advisable , but we park and look it up .
I do n't see a need for these in your face nav systems .
Focus on driving and taking in landmarks and navigational/compass clues , and you wo n't need the stupid nav system quite so much .
In-Car digital compasses may help when you lose your bearing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, I get along just fine with a map and asking for directions the occasional time where I can't find a location either due to extreme density or sparsity.
I've used a general outdoors GPS in conjunction with a laptop on a cross country road trip for additional assistance/backup where asking for directions isn't advisable, but we park and look it up.
I don't see a need for these in your face nav systems.
Focus on driving and taking in landmarks and navigational/compass clues, and you won't need the stupid nav system quite so much.
In-Car digital compasses may help when you lose your bearing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30427104</id>
	<title>Re:If you can't ignore the GPS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260716100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using Google Maps on my phone (with GPS) in Perth, Western Australia. Google Maps has access to all of Perth's public transport route &amp; timetable information, so not only can you use the GPS to figure out when you're close to your destination, you can use Google Maps to generate an optimised journey plan for you, complete with route numbers, arrival &amp; departure times, and a map of the route the buses will follow.</p><p>It makes public transport about 1000x better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using Google Maps on my phone ( with GPS ) in Perth , Western Australia .
Google Maps has access to all of Perth 's public transport route &amp; timetable information , so not only can you use the GPS to figure out when you 're close to your destination , you can use Google Maps to generate an optimised journey plan for you , complete with route numbers , arrival &amp; departure times , and a map of the route the buses will follow.It makes public transport about 1000x better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using Google Maps on my phone (with GPS) in Perth, Western Australia.
Google Maps has access to all of Perth's public transport route &amp; timetable information, so not only can you use the GPS to figure out when you're close to your destination, you can use Google Maps to generate an optimised journey plan for you, complete with route numbers, arrival &amp; departure times, and a map of the route the buses will follow.It makes public transport about 1000x better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30429218</id>
	<title>Re:.no</title>
	<author>Erik Hensema</author>
	<datestamp>1260787860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Note that you could have followed the blue U-number signs starting at the Autobahn exit. They will lead you back to the next entry and hopefully past the blockage.</p><p>The german road system is brilliant. Here in the Netherlands we're just starting to have the alternate U-routes, decades after the germans.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Note that you could have followed the blue U-number signs starting at the Autobahn exit .
They will lead you back to the next entry and hopefully past the blockage.The german road system is brilliant .
Here in the Netherlands we 're just starting to have the alternate U-routes , decades after the germans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Note that you could have followed the blue U-number signs starting at the Autobahn exit.
They will lead you back to the next entry and hopefully past the blockage.The german road system is brilliant.
Here in the Netherlands we're just starting to have the alternate U-routes, decades after the germans.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423632</id>
	<title>Re:What's wrong in getting lost, sometimes, anyway</title>
	<author>Adaeniel</author>
	<datestamp>1260729900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> What's wrong in getting lost, sometimes, anyway?</p> </div><p>You're right, but I think this question depends on multiple factors: whether or not it is a safe area that you are lost in, whether or not it is night time in said area, etc. However, it's not like a GPS knows these things anyways, so this may be a moot point.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's wrong in getting lost , sometimes , anyway ?
You 're right , but I think this question depends on multiple factors : whether or not it is a safe area that you are lost in , whether or not it is night time in said area , etc .
However , it 's not like a GPS knows these things anyways , so this may be a moot point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> What's wrong in getting lost, sometimes, anyway?
You're right, but I think this question depends on multiple factors: whether or not it is a safe area that you are lost in, whether or not it is night time in said area, etc.
However, it's not like a GPS knows these things anyways, so this may be a moot point.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30424214</id>
	<title>It's not about ignoring, it's about data transfer</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1260735240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The thing is, I totally get what he is saying - I use a free nav app for the iPhone (and most other platforms) called <a href="http://www.waze.com/homepage/" title="waze.com">Waze</a> [waze.com].  At times, the screen is lit up like a christmas tree with a thousand data points.</p><p>But how I like to use the app, is simply as an informational display as to what is around me.  So the app would be even more useful to me, if there was a mode that showed the next three streets upcoming and not much else.  Kind of like he was talking about the tube map, a more logical and clearly presented map that lets me parse important information much more quickly so I don't have to pay attention, I just have to glance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing is , I totally get what he is saying - I use a free nav app for the iPhone ( and most other platforms ) called Waze [ waze.com ] .
At times , the screen is lit up like a christmas tree with a thousand data points.But how I like to use the app , is simply as an informational display as to what is around me .
So the app would be even more useful to me , if there was a mode that showed the next three streets upcoming and not much else .
Kind of like he was talking about the tube map , a more logical and clearly presented map that lets me parse important information much more quickly so I do n't have to pay attention , I just have to glance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing is, I totally get what he is saying - I use a free nav app for the iPhone (and most other platforms) called Waze [waze.com].
At times, the screen is lit up like a christmas tree with a thousand data points.But how I like to use the app, is simply as an informational display as to what is around me.
So the app would be even more useful to me, if there was a mode that showed the next three streets upcoming and not much else.
Kind of like he was talking about the tube map, a more logical and clearly presented map that lets me parse important information much more quickly so I don't have to pay attention, I just have to glance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30426344</id>
	<title>Re:Headup display</title>
	<author>Rogerborg</author>
	<datestamp>1260709380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I must try that next time I'm pulled over "Hey, pig, <em>speed is irrelevant</em>.  So back the hell off, man, and let me get off the beaten track."

</p><p>For us bikers who don't have the pleasure of living in Buttfuck, Arizona, or wherever you're talking about, speed <em>is</em> relevant, and GPS is pretty damn handy for finding the nearest fuel - you know, once you hit reserve.  There's more than one type of biker, although whatever motorised armchair riding leather-chap wearing "boys' club" you're in would doubtless disagree.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I must try that next time I 'm pulled over " Hey , pig , speed is irrelevant .
So back the hell off , man , and let me get off the beaten track .
" For us bikers who do n't have the pleasure of living in Buttfuck , Arizona , or wherever you 're talking about , speed is relevant , and GPS is pretty damn handy for finding the nearest fuel - you know , once you hit reserve .
There 's more than one type of biker , although whatever motorised armchair riding leather-chap wearing " boys ' club " you 're in would doubtless disagree .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I must try that next time I'm pulled over "Hey, pig, speed is irrelevant.
So back the hell off, man, and let me get off the beaten track.
"

For us bikers who don't have the pleasure of living in Buttfuck, Arizona, or wherever you're talking about, speed is relevant, and GPS is pretty damn handy for finding the nearest fuel - you know, once you hit reserve.
There's more than one type of biker, although whatever motorised armchair riding leather-chap wearing "boys' club" you're in would doubtless disagree.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423518</id>
	<title>No</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260729000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Silly writings in economist journals are though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Silly writings in economist journals are though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Silly writings in economist journals are though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30424546</id>
	<title>Re:What's wrong in getting lost, sometimes, anyway</title>
	<author>Shompol</author>
	<datestamp>1260694800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Down with technology! who needs it anyways? I can do quite well without frige - just go to market every day and buy fresh (live) chicken. Also, why do you drive a car in the first place? Horse and carriage do not suite your needs? (when you are not in a hurry, that is)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Down with technology !
who needs it anyways ?
I can do quite well without frige - just go to market every day and buy fresh ( live ) chicken .
Also , why do you drive a car in the first place ?
Horse and carriage do not suite your needs ?
( when you are not in a hurry , that is )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Down with technology!
who needs it anyways?
I can do quite well without frige - just go to market every day and buy fresh (live) chicken.
Also, why do you drive a car in the first place?
Horse and carriage do not suite your needs?
(when you are not in a hurry, that is)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423968</id>
	<title>Subway maps not comparable to street maps</title>
	<author>Wannabe Code Monkey</author>
	<datestamp>1260732960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Setting aside his argument for a second. I don't think comparing GPS maps to subway maps is in any way helpful. Subway maps don't have to be exactly geographically accurate for at least reasons:

</p><ol>
<li>The user of the subway maps is not doing the navigating. It doesn't matter whether the next dot is 100m or 1000m away, all I need to know is to get off the next time the doors open, or that I can transfer between the red and orange line at this stop (this also applies to bus routes and train routes). When driving, if there are two rights coming up very close together, it helps to have the map with your path highlighted along the first one and not the second and having that match up to the reality that you're seeing out the windshield.</li>
<li>Subways are underground. It's not important that a map of the subway lines exactly match the above ground geography, just that stops are labeled and positioned approximately relative to one another.</li>
</ol></htmltext>
<tokenext>Setting aside his argument for a second .
I do n't think comparing GPS maps to subway maps is in any way helpful .
Subway maps do n't have to be exactly geographically accurate for at least reasons : The user of the subway maps is not doing the navigating .
It does n't matter whether the next dot is 100m or 1000m away , all I need to know is to get off the next time the doors open , or that I can transfer between the red and orange line at this stop ( this also applies to bus routes and train routes ) .
When driving , if there are two rights coming up very close together , it helps to have the map with your path highlighted along the first one and not the second and having that match up to the reality that you 're seeing out the windshield .
Subways are underground .
It 's not important that a map of the subway lines exactly match the above ground geography , just that stops are labeled and positioned approximately relative to one another .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Setting aside his argument for a second.
I don't think comparing GPS maps to subway maps is in any way helpful.
Subway maps don't have to be exactly geographically accurate for at least reasons:


The user of the subway maps is not doing the navigating.
It doesn't matter whether the next dot is 100m or 1000m away, all I need to know is to get off the next time the doors open, or that I can transfer between the red and orange line at this stop (this also applies to bus routes and train routes).
When driving, if there are two rights coming up very close together, it helps to have the map with your path highlighted along the first one and not the second and having that match up to the reality that you're seeing out the windshield.
Subways are underground.
It's not important that a map of the subway lines exactly match the above ground geography, just that stops are labeled and positioned approximately relative to one another.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423898</id>
	<title>Anyone reading Doonesbury?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260732180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's a storyline on Doonesbury in a studio where they are recording celebrity SatNav voice-overs. What we really need is James Earl-Jones on our SatNav. <a href="http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html?uc\_full\_date=20091207" title="doonesbury.com">http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html?uc\_full\_date=20091207</a> [doonesbury.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a storyline on Doonesbury in a studio where they are recording celebrity SatNav voice-overs .
What we really need is James Earl-Jones on our SatNav .
http : //www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html ? uc \ _full \ _date = 20091207 [ doonesbury.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a storyline on Doonesbury in a studio where they are recording celebrity SatNav voice-overs.
What we really need is James Earl-Jones on our SatNav.
http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html?uc\_full\_date=20091207 [doonesbury.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30431024</id>
	<title>Re:.no</title>
	<author>GSMacLean</author>
	<datestamp>1260806340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I spent the summer driving around England and Scotland with a GPS. I loved it there for the same reason I love it on my motorcycle back home: I can go ANYWHERE - if I see some little road or village I want to explore, I can do so, without the fear of ending up hopelessly lost.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I spent the summer driving around England and Scotland with a GPS .
I loved it there for the same reason I love it on my motorcycle back home : I can go ANYWHERE - if I see some little road or village I want to explore , I can do so , without the fear of ending up hopelessly lost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I spent the summer driving around England and Scotland with a GPS.
I loved it there for the same reason I love it on my motorcycle back home: I can go ANYWHERE - if I see some little road or village I want to explore, I can do so, without the fear of ending up hopelessly lost.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423802</id>
	<title>Re:What's wrong in getting lost, sometimes, anyway</title>
	<author>digitig</author>
	<datestamp>1260731340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>or even <b>ask</b> somebody along the way / make a quick phonecall to known local resident when close to destination and lost (also - they, or other people who often travel the route you are planning to take, know much more than GPS: which way is more <i>pleasant</i>)</p></div><p>Yeah, my friends love when I do that at 3am. More of a nuisance when I'm driving somewhere where I don't know anybody, and quite often don't speak the language. Just because GPS doesn't suit <em>your</em> lifestyle doesn't mean the rest of us shouldn't be using it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>or even ask somebody along the way / make a quick phonecall to known local resident when close to destination and lost ( also - they , or other people who often travel the route you are planning to take , know much more than GPS : which way is more pleasant ) Yeah , my friends love when I do that at 3am .
More of a nuisance when I 'm driving somewhere where I do n't know anybody , and quite often do n't speak the language .
Just because GPS does n't suit your lifestyle does n't mean the rest of us should n't be using it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>or even ask somebody along the way / make a quick phonecall to known local resident when close to destination and lost (also - they, or other people who often travel the route you are planning to take, know much more than GPS: which way is more pleasant)Yeah, my friends love when I do that at 3am.
More of a nuisance when I'm driving somewhere where I don't know anybody, and quite often don't speak the language.
Just because GPS doesn't suit your lifestyle doesn't mean the rest of us shouldn't be using it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423546</id>
	<title>What's wrong in getting lost, sometimes, anyway?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260729240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In vast majority of cases you drive in known area; always the same route, more or less. I don't see how GPS helps here. Any possible setbacks due to choosing slightly wrong way are more than offset by the elasticity in choosing better way due to momentary traffic conditions.</p><p>Not sure how representative this part is, but - when NOT driving in known area I'm always never in a real hurry. In few cases when that might be true it's easy to pre-plan it...or even <b>ask</b> somebody along the way / make a quick phonecall to known local resident when close to destination and lost (also - they, or other people who often travel the route you are planning to take, know much more than GPS: which way is more <i>pleasant</i>)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In vast majority of cases you drive in known area ; always the same route , more or less .
I do n't see how GPS helps here .
Any possible setbacks due to choosing slightly wrong way are more than offset by the elasticity in choosing better way due to momentary traffic conditions.Not sure how representative this part is , but - when NOT driving in known area I 'm always never in a real hurry .
In few cases when that might be true it 's easy to pre-plan it...or even ask somebody along the way / make a quick phonecall to known local resident when close to destination and lost ( also - they , or other people who often travel the route you are planning to take , know much more than GPS : which way is more pleasant )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In vast majority of cases you drive in known area; always the same route, more or less.
I don't see how GPS helps here.
Any possible setbacks due to choosing slightly wrong way are more than offset by the elasticity in choosing better way due to momentary traffic conditions.Not sure how representative this part is, but - when NOT driving in known area I'm always never in a real hurry.
In few cases when that might be true it's easy to pre-plan it...or even ask somebody along the way / make a quick phonecall to known local resident when close to destination and lost (also - they, or other people who often travel the route you are planning to take, know much more than GPS: which way is more pleasant)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30424174</id>
	<title>Re:What's wrong in getting lost, sometimes, anyway</title>
	<author>oldhack</author>
	<datestamp>1260734940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well and good that you enjoy getting lost.  There are, however, people who go to new area and need to do so in timely manner without getting bogged down with the sampling of local kumbaya vibe.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well and good that you enjoy getting lost .
There are , however , people who go to new area and need to do so in timely manner without getting bogged down with the sampling of local kumbaya vibe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well and good that you enjoy getting lost.
There are, however, people who go to new area and need to do so in timely manner without getting bogged down with the sampling of local kumbaya vibe.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423700</id>
	<title>When this is the voice of your GPS</title>
	<author>gazuga</author>
	<datestamp>1260730560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://music-mix.ew.com/2009/12/01/snoop-dogg-gps/" title="ew.com">http://music-mix.ew.com/2009/12/01/snoop-dogg-gps/</a> [ew.com]</p><p>Who needs a screen anyway!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //music-mix.ew.com/2009/12/01/snoop-dogg-gps/ [ ew.com ] Who needs a screen anyway !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://music-mix.ew.com/2009/12/01/snoop-dogg-gps/ [ew.com]Who needs a screen anyway!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423854</id>
	<title>Re:technology editor sucks at technology?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260731760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You and BadAnalogyGuy would make a great WWF tag team.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You and BadAnalogyGuy would make a great WWF tag team .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You and BadAnalogyGuy would make a great WWF tag team.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30424068</id>
	<title>Whats the alternative?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260733860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The best thing to do is plan your route out before leaving when you will be finding yourself in unfamiliar territory.</p><p>The second best thing to do is fire up the gps app on your phone (copilot is the best+cheapest) and wait for it to tell you where to turn.</p><p>The absolute worst thing I could possible ever imagine myself doing is unfolding and looking at a fricking map when I'm supposed to be driving.  Thats much more dangerous and complicated than turning when the little computer box tells you to.  Just make sure there is actually a road there before you turn<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The best thing to do is plan your route out before leaving when you will be finding yourself in unfamiliar territory.The second best thing to do is fire up the gps app on your phone ( copilot is the best + cheapest ) and wait for it to tell you where to turn.The absolute worst thing I could possible ever imagine myself doing is unfolding and looking at a fricking map when I 'm supposed to be driving .
Thats much more dangerous and complicated than turning when the little computer box tells you to .
Just make sure there is actually a road there before you turn : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best thing to do is plan your route out before leaving when you will be finding yourself in unfamiliar territory.The second best thing to do is fire up the gps app on your phone (copilot is the best+cheapest) and wait for it to tell you where to turn.The absolute worst thing I could possible ever imagine myself doing is unfolding and looking at a fricking map when I'm supposed to be driving.
Thats much more dangerous and complicated than turning when the little computer box tells you to.
Just make sure there is actually a road there before you turn :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423676</id>
	<title>If you can't multitask...</title>
	<author>incognito84</author>
	<datestamp>1260730320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>...then you shouldn't have GPS. I have no problem looking at the GPS screen on my motorcycle for a split second, recognizing what I'm expected to do and then focusing back on the road again.
<br>
<br>
Then again, my GPS display is very simple and I like it that way. I hate displays that are so complicated that you need to scan around the screen with your eyes for a few seconds to get your bearings. Those few seconds could make the difference between life and death.
<br>
<br>
I think the real problem here, which is not being addressed, is the fact that most people watch TV on their GPS displays. That should be illegal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...then you should n't have GPS .
I have no problem looking at the GPS screen on my motorcycle for a split second , recognizing what I 'm expected to do and then focusing back on the road again .
Then again , my GPS display is very simple and I like it that way .
I hate displays that are so complicated that you need to scan around the screen with your eyes for a few seconds to get your bearings .
Those few seconds could make the difference between life and death .
I think the real problem here , which is not being addressed , is the fact that most people watch TV on their GPS displays .
That should be illegal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...then you shouldn't have GPS.
I have no problem looking at the GPS screen on my motorcycle for a split second, recognizing what I'm expected to do and then focusing back on the road again.
Then again, my GPS display is very simple and I like it that way.
I hate displays that are so complicated that you need to scan around the screen with your eyes for a few seconds to get your bearings.
Those few seconds could make the difference between life and death.
I think the real problem here, which is not being addressed, is the fact that most people watch TV on their GPS displays.
That should be illegal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30424090</id>
	<title>Underground maps?  Easy?  Blimey...</title>
	<author>theNAM666</author>
	<datestamp>1260734100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;the simplicity of London's Underground map (not directionally accurate but visually easy to understand)</p><p>This is perfectly fine and true if all you wish to do is understand the map and only the map itself.  (I'm all for cyclical adirectional forms).</p><p>While in London last week,  visiting a semi-employed mathematical friend from Cambridge,  I was confronted with the unusual task,  probably never considered by the Underground Map's planners,  of needing to travel from one point to another.  (It is well-known cartographic that a math degree from C&amp;O is the best path to semi-cartography on the planet,  or,  at least,  in the United Kingdom).</p><p>Anyways,  since the Underground map has little (not quite no) spacial correspondence to the location of the geographic points it maps,  it is consequently difficult-to-impossible for an outsider to locate the actual,  physical locations of the stations on a traditional map (I mean the kind drawn by a normal human interested in say,  grocery shopping instead of matrix algebra,  and uninclined to turn their shopping route into an exercise in said algebraic) --or,  say,  in reality.</p><p>If you do not already know the station locations,  at which point you probably wouldn't need the map,  this is a significant impediment to getting where one needs to go.</p><p>(Disclaimer:  of course,  I'm male and genetically predisposed to look at the map and not to ask for directions.  Individuals without this genetic anomaly may find the Underground maps perfectly fine and useful.  Or they may just be from Venus.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; the simplicity of London 's Underground map ( not directionally accurate but visually easy to understand ) This is perfectly fine and true if all you wish to do is understand the map and only the map itself .
( I 'm all for cyclical adirectional forms ) .While in London last week , visiting a semi-employed mathematical friend from Cambridge , I was confronted with the unusual task , probably never considered by the Underground Map 's planners , of needing to travel from one point to another .
( It is well-known cartographic that a math degree from C&amp;O is the best path to semi-cartography on the planet , or , at least , in the United Kingdom ) .Anyways , since the Underground map has little ( not quite no ) spacial correspondence to the location of the geographic points it maps , it is consequently difficult-to-impossible for an outsider to locate the actual , physical locations of the stations on a traditional map ( I mean the kind drawn by a normal human interested in say , grocery shopping instead of matrix algebra , and uninclined to turn their shopping route into an exercise in said algebraic ) --or , say , in reality.If you do not already know the station locations , at which point you probably would n't need the map , this is a significant impediment to getting where one needs to go .
( Disclaimer : of course , I 'm male and genetically predisposed to look at the map and not to ask for directions .
Individuals without this genetic anomaly may find the Underground maps perfectly fine and useful .
Or they may just be from Venus .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;the simplicity of London's Underground map (not directionally accurate but visually easy to understand)This is perfectly fine and true if all you wish to do is understand the map and only the map itself.
(I'm all for cyclical adirectional forms).While in London last week,  visiting a semi-employed mathematical friend from Cambridge,  I was confronted with the unusual task,  probably never considered by the Underground Map's planners,  of needing to travel from one point to another.
(It is well-known cartographic that a math degree from C&amp;O is the best path to semi-cartography on the planet,  or,  at least,  in the United Kingdom).Anyways,  since the Underground map has little (not quite no) spacial correspondence to the location of the geographic points it maps,  it is consequently difficult-to-impossible for an outsider to locate the actual,  physical locations of the stations on a traditional map (I mean the kind drawn by a normal human interested in say,  grocery shopping instead of matrix algebra,  and uninclined to turn their shopping route into an exercise in said algebraic) --or,  say,  in reality.If you do not already know the station locations,  at which point you probably wouldn't need the map,  this is a significant impediment to getting where one needs to go.
(Disclaimer:  of course,  I'm male and genetically predisposed to look at the map and not to ask for directions.
Individuals without this genetic anomaly may find the Underground maps perfectly fine and useful.
Or they may just be from Venus.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30426174</id>
	<title>The answer is yes.</title>
	<author>rickb928</author>
	<datestamp>1260707640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have GPS in my phone, and it is adequate for my purposes.</p><p>But having on on the dash running all the time is the height of gadget stupidity.</p><p>I drive the same route to work Monday thru Friday.  The guy who also does in the 2009 Challenger has his GPS unit right in the driver's side corner of the windshield.  Always on.</p><p>And the traffic delays and congestion are as predictable as the sun.  Every day, unless it's a holiday week when they are only easier.</p><p>And the DVD players in the front dash are even worse.</p><p>Don't blame the manufacturers.  We easily fall for gadgets, don't we?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have GPS in my phone , and it is adequate for my purposes.But having on on the dash running all the time is the height of gadget stupidity.I drive the same route to work Monday thru Friday .
The guy who also does in the 2009 Challenger has his GPS unit right in the driver 's side corner of the windshield .
Always on.And the traffic delays and congestion are as predictable as the sun .
Every day , unless it 's a holiday week when they are only easier.And the DVD players in the front dash are even worse.Do n't blame the manufacturers .
We easily fall for gadgets , do n't we ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have GPS in my phone, and it is adequate for my purposes.But having on on the dash running all the time is the height of gadget stupidity.I drive the same route to work Monday thru Friday.
The guy who also does in the 2009 Challenger has his GPS unit right in the driver's side corner of the windshield.
Always on.And the traffic delays and congestion are as predictable as the sun.
Every day, unless it's a holiday week when they are only easier.And the DVD players in the front dash are even worse.Don't blame the manufacturers.
We easily fall for gadgets, don't we?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423634</id>
	<title>He's right</title>
	<author>thomp</author>
	<datestamp>1260729960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't want to see a rendered image on the navigation system; I just want a 2-D map.  It might make for pretty graphics (and marketability), but it's more than I need to navigate.</p><p>But I'm an old geography fart just like the author of the article.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't want to see a rendered image on the navigation system ; I just want a 2-D map .
It might make for pretty graphics ( and marketability ) , but it 's more than I need to navigate.But I 'm an old geography fart just like the author of the article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't want to see a rendered image on the navigation system; I just want a 2-D map.
It might make for pretty graphics (and marketability), but it's more than I need to navigate.But I'm an old geography fart just like the author of the article.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30424348</id>
	<title>Un-dead reckoning</title>
	<author>GerryHattrick</author>
	<datestamp>1260736440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Before satnav, I could cross London at any angle using a sort of mental dead-reckoning.  Now you get halfway with guidance and don't even know where you are.  Divert in a direction you know to be clever, and it shouts 'turn around when possible' or leads you in an unannounced complete circle to get back on its misconceived and gridlocked initial route.  Whatever happened to 'Foldex' maps?  They were good enough for my father's bombing runs abroad.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Before satnav , I could cross London at any angle using a sort of mental dead-reckoning .
Now you get halfway with guidance and do n't even know where you are .
Divert in a direction you know to be clever , and it shouts 'turn around when possible ' or leads you in an unannounced complete circle to get back on its misconceived and gridlocked initial route .
Whatever happened to 'Foldex ' maps ?
They were good enough for my father 's bombing runs abroad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Before satnav, I could cross London at any angle using a sort of mental dead-reckoning.
Now you get halfway with guidance and don't even know where you are.
Divert in a direction you know to be clever, and it shouts 'turn around when possible' or leads you in an unannounced complete circle to get back on its misconceived and gridlocked initial route.
Whatever happened to 'Foldex' maps?
They were good enough for my father's bombing runs abroad.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30424580</id>
	<title>We're wayyyy past that point.</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1260695100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>About 15 years ago, I read an article about, how scientists found out, that the human brain dramatically changed over the past 40 years (from back then, so 55 years).</p><p>The change is, that we developed a new system, to cope with information overload.<br>Old people have (or would have, if they still lived) massive problems to cope with e.g. the typical blinking and animating downtown advertisement overkill of a Asian metropolis... or the typical ad-laden website.</p><p>We have learned to focus on one thing, and ignore all the noise around us.<br>One side effect of this, is that now we are more prone to doing contradicting things. Like talking about how we care about whales and nature, while throwing trash on the street at the same moment.</p><p>So I have no doubt, that we will cope very well with that added overload. By simply adding better filters and a stronger focus.</p><p>The only question is, if those side-effects get stronger, and what that means for our society.<br>But I doubt that if this gets close to creating problems, we won&rsquo;t adapt to it too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>About 15 years ago , I read an article about , how scientists found out , that the human brain dramatically changed over the past 40 years ( from back then , so 55 years ) .The change is , that we developed a new system , to cope with information overload.Old people have ( or would have , if they still lived ) massive problems to cope with e.g .
the typical blinking and animating downtown advertisement overkill of a Asian metropolis... or the typical ad-laden website.We have learned to focus on one thing , and ignore all the noise around us.One side effect of this , is that now we are more prone to doing contradicting things .
Like talking about how we care about whales and nature , while throwing trash on the street at the same moment.So I have no doubt , that we will cope very well with that added overload .
By simply adding better filters and a stronger focus.The only question is , if those side-effects get stronger , and what that means for our society.But I doubt that if this gets close to creating problems , we won    t adapt to it too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>About 15 years ago, I read an article about, how scientists found out, that the human brain dramatically changed over the past 40 years (from back then, so 55 years).The change is, that we developed a new system, to cope with information overload.Old people have (or would have, if they still lived) massive problems to cope with e.g.
the typical blinking and animating downtown advertisement overkill of a Asian metropolis... or the typical ad-laden website.We have learned to focus on one thing, and ignore all the noise around us.One side effect of this, is that now we are more prone to doing contradicting things.
Like talking about how we care about whales and nature, while throwing trash on the street at the same moment.So I have no doubt, that we will cope very well with that added overload.
By simply adding better filters and a stronger focus.The only question is, if those side-effects get stronger, and what that means for our society.But I doubt that if this gets close to creating problems, we won’t adapt to it too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30424488</id>
	<title>Re:Headup display</title>
	<author>mpe</author>
	<datestamp>1260737520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Why not a headsup display?</i> <br> <br>You'd think that would be done for regular instrements, especially the speedometer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not a headsup display ?
You 'd think that would be done for regular instrements , especially the speedometer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not a headsup display?
You'd think that would be done for regular instrements, especially the speedometer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30429644</id>
	<title>Re:technology editor sucks at technology?</title>
	<author>OrangeCatholic</author>
	<datestamp>1260795060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt;was concerned about the potentially distracting visual clutter that is appearing on newer GPSs: 3D buildings, landmarks, terrain etc.
<br> <br>
What about games?  Can they put some nice strategy games on there?  Since you spend a lot of time in the car, maybe peasants could be mining gold while you roll down the highway.  When you get there, you'll have enough for an army.  Or how about getting in a couple of frags at the stoplight?
<br> <br>
Maybe they could put a flight sim on there and you could race yourself to your destination.  Or how about some <a href="http://www.bubbleblaster.org/" title="bubbleblaster.org" rel="nofollow">Bubble Blaster</a> [bubbleblaster.org] for the ladies?
<br> <br>
Think about how much Garmin you can sell if it came with God of War and a Playstation controller.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; was concerned about the potentially distracting visual clutter that is appearing on newer GPSs : 3D buildings , landmarks , terrain etc .
What about games ?
Can they put some nice strategy games on there ?
Since you spend a lot of time in the car , maybe peasants could be mining gold while you roll down the highway .
When you get there , you 'll have enough for an army .
Or how about getting in a couple of frags at the stoplight ?
Maybe they could put a flight sim on there and you could race yourself to your destination .
Or how about some Bubble Blaster [ bubbleblaster.org ] for the ladies ?
Think about how much Garmin you can sell if it came with God of War and a Playstation controller .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;was concerned about the potentially distracting visual clutter that is appearing on newer GPSs: 3D buildings, landmarks, terrain etc.
What about games?
Can they put some nice strategy games on there?
Since you spend a lot of time in the car, maybe peasants could be mining gold while you roll down the highway.
When you get there, you'll have enough for an army.
Or how about getting in a couple of frags at the stoplight?
Maybe they could put a flight sim on there and you could race yourself to your destination.
Or how about some Bubble Blaster [bubbleblaster.org] for the ladies?
Think about how much Garmin you can sell if it came with God of War and a Playstation controller.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30426892</id>
	<title>Re:Headup display</title>
	<author>fotbr</author>
	<datestamp>1260714360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IIRC the Corvette has had some form of HUD for several years now, although I think it's just speed and tach readouts.  And I know some of their other cars had at least an option for a HUD speedometer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IIRC the Corvette has had some form of HUD for several years now , although I think it 's just speed and tach readouts .
And I know some of their other cars had at least an option for a HUD speedometer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IIRC the Corvette has had some form of HUD for several years now, although I think it's just speed and tach readouts.
And I know some of their other cars had at least an option for a HUD speedometer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423956</id>
	<title>Not quite yet</title>
	<author>T Murphy</author>
	<datestamp>1260732840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Until my GPS stops sending me to people's houses when looking for an IHOP I'd rather get a picture and evaluate for myself what's going on. 95\%+ of the time I could just follow the directions unquestioningly and not have problems, but if there are detours, new roads or it has addresses wrong, it suddenly becomes useless unless I can use it as a map to figure out the directions for myself.<br> <br>

Maybe you have to hit a button to temporarily display a map, or park the car to keep the map up- the map could stay up as you move if you aren't being given directions. I'd value a reduction in the distraction it creates, but it shouldn't lose functionality in the process.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Until my GPS stops sending me to people 's houses when looking for an IHOP I 'd rather get a picture and evaluate for myself what 's going on .
95 \ % + of the time I could just follow the directions unquestioningly and not have problems , but if there are detours , new roads or it has addresses wrong , it suddenly becomes useless unless I can use it as a map to figure out the directions for myself .
Maybe you have to hit a button to temporarily display a map , or park the car to keep the map up- the map could stay up as you move if you are n't being given directions .
I 'd value a reduction in the distraction it creates , but it should n't lose functionality in the process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until my GPS stops sending me to people's houses when looking for an IHOP I'd rather get a picture and evaluate for myself what's going on.
95\%+ of the time I could just follow the directions unquestioningly and not have problems, but if there are detours, new roads or it has addresses wrong, it suddenly becomes useless unless I can use it as a map to figure out the directions for myself.
Maybe you have to hit a button to temporarily display a map, or park the car to keep the map up- the map could stay up as you move if you aren't being given directions.
I'd value a reduction in the distraction it creates, but it shouldn't lose functionality in the process.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30427498</id>
	<title>Re:.no</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1260720060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As not\_my\_name says - you seem to fit into a special group.  Far to many people RELY on that GPS to tell them everything.  Maybe if I were a bit younger - or, maybe if I were navigating Europe instead of North America - I might make similar use of GPS as you did.  Or not.  I might have the GPS in the car, but an atlas would still be spread across the passenger seat.  Among other things, I want to "feel" how far away it is to the Italian border, or the Russian border, or the English Channel.  That big map of Europe, showing all the countries, rivers, lakes, and mountain ranges would be visible all the time, just as it was for North America in my early years of navigating.  That "big picture" is necessary for me to fill in all the finer details, mentally.  And, most people who rely on that GPS never get that "big picture", IMHO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As not \ _my \ _name says - you seem to fit into a special group .
Far to many people RELY on that GPS to tell them everything .
Maybe if I were a bit younger - or , maybe if I were navigating Europe instead of North America - I might make similar use of GPS as you did .
Or not .
I might have the GPS in the car , but an atlas would still be spread across the passenger seat .
Among other things , I want to " feel " how far away it is to the Italian border , or the Russian border , or the English Channel .
That big map of Europe , showing all the countries , rivers , lakes , and mountain ranges would be visible all the time , just as it was for North America in my early years of navigating .
That " big picture " is necessary for me to fill in all the finer details , mentally .
And , most people who rely on that GPS never get that " big picture " , IMHO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As not\_my\_name says - you seem to fit into a special group.
Far to many people RELY on that GPS to tell them everything.
Maybe if I were a bit younger - or, maybe if I were navigating Europe instead of North America - I might make similar use of GPS as you did.
Or not.
I might have the GPS in the car, but an atlas would still be spread across the passenger seat.
Among other things, I want to "feel" how far away it is to the Italian border, or the Russian border, or the English Channel.
That big map of Europe, showing all the countries, rivers, lakes, and mountain ranges would be visible all the time, just as it was for North America in my early years of navigating.
That "big picture" is necessary for me to fill in all the finer details, mentally.
And, most people who rely on that GPS never get that "big picture", IMHO.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423600</id>
	<title>Headup display</title>
	<author>ZeroExistenZ</author>
	<datestamp>1260729660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why not a headsup display?<p>My car's frontwindow angle is say 45.<br>This allows me to just put my Android phone on my dashboard which reflects on the window and generates a transparent reflection which shows up in a "virtual distance" in my field of view.<br>It's not as crisp to actually read while driving or being stuck in traffic and it requires low light conditions, though. But you can make up a map easily.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not a headsup display ? My car 's frontwindow angle is say 45.This allows me to just put my Android phone on my dashboard which reflects on the window and generates a transparent reflection which shows up in a " virtual distance " in my field of view.It 's not as crisp to actually read while driving or being stuck in traffic and it requires low light conditions , though .
But you can make up a map easily .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not a headsup display?My car's frontwindow angle is say 45.This allows me to just put my Android phone on my dashboard which reflects on the window and generates a transparent reflection which shows up in a "virtual distance" in my field of view.It's not as crisp to actually read while driving or being stuck in traffic and it requires low light conditions, though.
But you can make up a map easily.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30424382</id>
	<title>co-pilot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260736680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I advocate mandatory two person crew while driving.<br>If it's good enough for the airlines, it's good enough for Joe Blow.</p><p>Plus helmet mounted display with head orientation sensor.</p><p>Seriously, there will always be people who are easily overloaded.<br>Never mind overloading, a lot of people shouldn't drive period, yet the system allows them to be a danger to themselves and everybody around them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I advocate mandatory two person crew while driving.If it 's good enough for the airlines , it 's good enough for Joe Blow.Plus helmet mounted display with head orientation sensor.Seriously , there will always be people who are easily overloaded.Never mind overloading , a lot of people should n't drive period , yet the system allows them to be a danger to themselves and everybody around them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I advocate mandatory two person crew while driving.If it's good enough for the airlines, it's good enough for Joe Blow.Plus helmet mounted display with head orientation sensor.Seriously, there will always be people who are easily overloaded.Never mind overloading, a lot of people shouldn't drive period, yet the system allows them to be a danger to themselves and everybody around them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423886</id>
	<title>Interesting but no</title>
	<author>fooslacker</author>
	<datestamp>1260732060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The correct way to visualize information is an interesting topic and his investigation of the London underground maps is a classic example of how something can be accurate but not precise, or maybe accurate in one dimension (connection/destination) but not another (direction).  That said it's a stretch to say GPS needs to follow that mode.  Unlike the underground when you're being informed of where you're going and where to get off and on different trains you're actually being informed of where you are relative to other items with a GPS.  It's not just a direction giving system it's also a mapping system and a simplified representation is not enough to help you with that.  Additionally, my GPS is extremely helpful in large cities with telling me which lanes I'm going to need to be in to take certain exits.  It does this with a simple graphic I can glance at and not voice commands which I might miss.  This is very good on a major freeway at rush hour.  I love the topic but I think his dislike of the GPS map visualization is off as it does a very good job IMO.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The correct way to visualize information is an interesting topic and his investigation of the London underground maps is a classic example of how something can be accurate but not precise , or maybe accurate in one dimension ( connection/destination ) but not another ( direction ) .
That said it 's a stretch to say GPS needs to follow that mode .
Unlike the underground when you 're being informed of where you 're going and where to get off and on different trains you 're actually being informed of where you are relative to other items with a GPS .
It 's not just a direction giving system it 's also a mapping system and a simplified representation is not enough to help you with that .
Additionally , my GPS is extremely helpful in large cities with telling me which lanes I 'm going to need to be in to take certain exits .
It does this with a simple graphic I can glance at and not voice commands which I might miss .
This is very good on a major freeway at rush hour .
I love the topic but I think his dislike of the GPS map visualization is off as it does a very good job IMO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The correct way to visualize information is an interesting topic and his investigation of the London underground maps is a classic example of how something can be accurate but not precise, or maybe accurate in one dimension (connection/destination) but not another (direction).
That said it's a stretch to say GPS needs to follow that mode.
Unlike the underground when you're being informed of where you're going and where to get off and on different trains you're actually being informed of where you are relative to other items with a GPS.
It's not just a direction giving system it's also a mapping system and a simplified representation is not enough to help you with that.
Additionally, my GPS is extremely helpful in large cities with telling me which lanes I'm going to need to be in to take certain exits.
It does this with a simple graphic I can glance at and not voice commands which I might miss.
This is very good on a major freeway at rush hour.
I love the topic but I think his dislike of the GPS map visualization is off as it does a very good job IMO.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30426084</id>
	<title>Re:He's right</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1260706860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can agree with that. I've been using GPS almost constantly ever since I started driving (I keep it on even when I drive in familiar places), but I always set it to 2D, top-down view. I also set it to always have north on top, and replace car icon with an arrow so that it's very easy to tell at a glance where I'm moving to. I find that, overall, that combination makes it really easy to keep the "big picture" of where I am relative to where I'm heading to. And if you've ever played GTA 1/2 a lot, you shouldn't have trouble telling left from right etc with such an arrangement, either.</p><p>Oh, I also use Garmin Nuvi. One of the reasons is the way it displays things - it doesn't show building outlines, just streets (and I find those outlines to be distracting more than they're useful), its speed-tracking auto-zoom seems to match my preferences with respect to how much I want to "look ahead" pretty well, and the color scheme is mostly sane. Oh, and it uses anti-aliasing for all drawn lines, which really makes it so much easier for the eyes.</p><p>All that said, I consider GPS to be an integral part of my car. I can definitely drive without it within my relatively small town, but I'd refuse to go to the nearby large city without it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can agree with that .
I 've been using GPS almost constantly ever since I started driving ( I keep it on even when I drive in familiar places ) , but I always set it to 2D , top-down view .
I also set it to always have north on top , and replace car icon with an arrow so that it 's very easy to tell at a glance where I 'm moving to .
I find that , overall , that combination makes it really easy to keep the " big picture " of where I am relative to where I 'm heading to .
And if you 've ever played GTA 1/2 a lot , you should n't have trouble telling left from right etc with such an arrangement , either.Oh , I also use Garmin Nuvi .
One of the reasons is the way it displays things - it does n't show building outlines , just streets ( and I find those outlines to be distracting more than they 're useful ) , its speed-tracking auto-zoom seems to match my preferences with respect to how much I want to " look ahead " pretty well , and the color scheme is mostly sane .
Oh , and it uses anti-aliasing for all drawn lines , which really makes it so much easier for the eyes.All that said , I consider GPS to be an integral part of my car .
I can definitely drive without it within my relatively small town , but I 'd refuse to go to the nearby large city without it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can agree with that.
I've been using GPS almost constantly ever since I started driving (I keep it on even when I drive in familiar places), but I always set it to 2D, top-down view.
I also set it to always have north on top, and replace car icon with an arrow so that it's very easy to tell at a glance where I'm moving to.
I find that, overall, that combination makes it really easy to keep the "big picture" of where I am relative to where I'm heading to.
And if you've ever played GTA 1/2 a lot, you shouldn't have trouble telling left from right etc with such an arrangement, either.Oh, I also use Garmin Nuvi.
One of the reasons is the way it displays things - it doesn't show building outlines, just streets (and I find those outlines to be distracting more than they're useful), its speed-tracking auto-zoom seems to match my preferences with respect to how much I want to "look ahead" pretty well, and the color scheme is mostly sane.
Oh, and it uses anti-aliasing for all drawn lines, which really makes it so much easier for the eyes.All that said, I consider GPS to be an integral part of my car.
I can definitely drive without it within my relatively small town, but I'd refuse to go to the nearby large city without it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30424112</id>
	<title>Re:Headup display</title>
	<author>Rinikusu</author>
	<datestamp>1260734280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know why HUDs haven't been more widely adapted, especially in the realm of motorcycles.  Granted, my motorcycle doesn't have a windscreen, but for the highway cruisers and and what-not, I would think it invaluable to keep all the important information a rider needs available without having to take eyes off the road (a split second can kill).  Now integrate with gps mapping, etc and we'd have a winner.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know why HUDs have n't been more widely adapted , especially in the realm of motorcycles .
Granted , my motorcycle does n't have a windscreen , but for the highway cruisers and and what-not , I would think it invaluable to keep all the important information a rider needs available without having to take eyes off the road ( a split second can kill ) .
Now integrate with gps mapping , etc and we 'd have a winner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know why HUDs haven't been more widely adapted, especially in the realm of motorcycles.
Granted, my motorcycle doesn't have a windscreen, but for the highway cruisers and and what-not, I would think it invaluable to keep all the important information a rider needs available without having to take eyes off the road (a split second can kill).
Now integrate with gps mapping, etc and we'd have a winner.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423520</id>
	<title>.no</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260729000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>no more than a map I suppose</htmltext>
<tokenext>no more than a map I suppose</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no more than a map I suppose</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30432434</id>
	<title>So he uses only the voice directions...</title>
	<author>whitroth</author>
	<datestamp>1260812940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As long as he can understand them, and they're correct. One of my daughters and her husband were recently coming to meet me, and missed a turn, they were laughing so hard at being directed to turn at Malcolm the Tenth.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; mark "spelled Malcolm X"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as he can understand them , and they 're correct .
One of my daughters and her husband were recently coming to meet me , and missed a turn , they were laughing so hard at being directed to turn at Malcolm the Tenth .
              mark " spelled Malcolm X "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as he can understand them, and they're correct.
One of my daughters and her husband were recently coming to meet me, and missed a turn, they were laughing so hard at being directed to turn at Malcolm the Tenth.
              mark "spelled Malcolm X"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30428736</id>
	<title>Re:technology editor sucks at technology?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260823500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Theres already talk of making driving with a cell phone or texting and driving a primary offense. SatNav devices are no diffrent, and probally worse in my opinion. If people only had common sense...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Theres already talk of making driving with a cell phone or texting and driving a primary offense .
SatNav devices are no diffrent , and probally worse in my opinion .
If people only had common sense.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Theres already talk of making driving with a cell phone or texting and driving a primary offense.
SatNav devices are no diffrent, and probally worse in my opinion.
If people only had common sense...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30424102</id>
	<title>Re:.no</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1260734220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would argue that.  Rand McNally road atlases were my constant companion for years.  It's hard to recall how my internal mapping and/or memory of Rand McNally evolved in the first couple years - but today, I can navigate anywhere on the North American continent (minus Mexico) without a map.  I can leave my house, and go to any major city without referencing a map at all.  Some small town, I don't know of?  Ten minutes with that atlas, and I can drive to it without looking again.  To find an address, I'll check the map just short of the city.</p><p>Those GPS things?  Personally, I don't like them - they want to hold your hand all the way across the continent.  Every turn, every fuel stop, every restaurant.  When I travel, I want to make the decisions, not have MapQuest, or anyone else decide which ramp to exit or enter the interstate on. Travel is supposed to be an adventure - let me decide when, where, and how.</p><p>For fun, I've gone off route many times, just to see new country.  I've seen mountains, valleys, and rivers that few Americans ever thought about seeing, because I took the less beaten path, down country roads.  And, food.  Fast Food Americana just sucks.  I went north into Tennessee one early one morning, topped a small mountain, and found a hole in the wall restaurant.  I got a real southern breakfast, for half the price of any chain restaurant, and 45 minutes of chat from some old dude who looked like he might have served in the Civil War.  (He might even have been the truck driver who delivered dirt for the day of creation!)</p><p>GPS is distracting as all hell when you do make a "wrong turn".  Rand McNally just sits on the seat until I ASK for his advice.</p><p>Of course, I'll admit - mapreading was pretty much a lost art before GPS technology came out.  You can stop in any truck stop in America, and find that 2/3 of the drivers can't read Rand McNally, or any other version of a printed map.  Instead, they rely on that GPS computer, the cell phone, and pure dumb luck.  The other 1/3?  A lot of them are like me - they've crisscrossed the country so many times, they don't NEED no stinking map most of the time!!  Those last 10 or 20 miles going to a new stop is all they need any help with, and often times they can get that from the CB radio!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would argue that .
Rand McNally road atlases were my constant companion for years .
It 's hard to recall how my internal mapping and/or memory of Rand McNally evolved in the first couple years - but today , I can navigate anywhere on the North American continent ( minus Mexico ) without a map .
I can leave my house , and go to any major city without referencing a map at all .
Some small town , I do n't know of ?
Ten minutes with that atlas , and I can drive to it without looking again .
To find an address , I 'll check the map just short of the city.Those GPS things ?
Personally , I do n't like them - they want to hold your hand all the way across the continent .
Every turn , every fuel stop , every restaurant .
When I travel , I want to make the decisions , not have MapQuest , or anyone else decide which ramp to exit or enter the interstate on .
Travel is supposed to be an adventure - let me decide when , where , and how.For fun , I 've gone off route many times , just to see new country .
I 've seen mountains , valleys , and rivers that few Americans ever thought about seeing , because I took the less beaten path , down country roads .
And , food .
Fast Food Americana just sucks .
I went north into Tennessee one early one morning , topped a small mountain , and found a hole in the wall restaurant .
I got a real southern breakfast , for half the price of any chain restaurant , and 45 minutes of chat from some old dude who looked like he might have served in the Civil War .
( He might even have been the truck driver who delivered dirt for the day of creation !
) GPS is distracting as all hell when you do make a " wrong turn " .
Rand McNally just sits on the seat until I ASK for his advice.Of course , I 'll admit - mapreading was pretty much a lost art before GPS technology came out .
You can stop in any truck stop in America , and find that 2/3 of the drivers ca n't read Rand McNally , or any other version of a printed map .
Instead , they rely on that GPS computer , the cell phone , and pure dumb luck .
The other 1/3 ?
A lot of them are like me - they 've crisscrossed the country so many times , they do n't NEED no stinking map most of the time ! !
Those last 10 or 20 miles going to a new stop is all they need any help with , and often times they can get that from the CB radio !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would argue that.
Rand McNally road atlases were my constant companion for years.
It's hard to recall how my internal mapping and/or memory of Rand McNally evolved in the first couple years - but today, I can navigate anywhere on the North American continent (minus Mexico) without a map.
I can leave my house, and go to any major city without referencing a map at all.
Some small town, I don't know of?
Ten minutes with that atlas, and I can drive to it without looking again.
To find an address, I'll check the map just short of the city.Those GPS things?
Personally, I don't like them - they want to hold your hand all the way across the continent.
Every turn, every fuel stop, every restaurant.
When I travel, I want to make the decisions, not have MapQuest, or anyone else decide which ramp to exit or enter the interstate on.
Travel is supposed to be an adventure - let me decide when, where, and how.For fun, I've gone off route many times, just to see new country.
I've seen mountains, valleys, and rivers that few Americans ever thought about seeing, because I took the less beaten path, down country roads.
And, food.
Fast Food Americana just sucks.
I went north into Tennessee one early one morning, topped a small mountain, and found a hole in the wall restaurant.
I got a real southern breakfast, for half the price of any chain restaurant, and 45 minutes of chat from some old dude who looked like he might have served in the Civil War.
(He might even have been the truck driver who delivered dirt for the day of creation!
)GPS is distracting as all hell when you do make a "wrong turn".
Rand McNally just sits on the seat until I ASK for his advice.Of course, I'll admit - mapreading was pretty much a lost art before GPS technology came out.
You can stop in any truck stop in America, and find that 2/3 of the drivers can't read Rand McNally, or any other version of a printed map.
Instead, they rely on that GPS computer, the cell phone, and pure dumb luck.
The other 1/3?
A lot of them are like me - they've crisscrossed the country so many times, they don't NEED no stinking map most of the time!!
Those last 10 or 20 miles going to a new stop is all they need any help with, and often times they can get that from the CB radio!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423642</id>
	<title>Re:What's wrong in getting lost, sometimes, anyway</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260730020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I generally find it more pleasant to be able to pull over, turn on my sat nav and get back on track, rather than find a pen + paper, phoning a local resident I know, trying to describe where I am and then write down directions (if they even know them) and the try and follow said directions when I'm driving along. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind getting a little lost sometimes but sat nav really is more useful than pratting about with getting directions. I also think you may be underestimating satnav systems. These days they're pretty good at picking out the best route and most of them will take into account whether or not you want the shortest route, fastest route or if you just want to keep off the main roads. I can certainly fault my satnav system in areas that I know well but those faults are usually minor and more often than not they're because the route shown is easier to follow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I generally find it more pleasant to be able to pull over , turn on my sat nav and get back on track , rather than find a pen + paper , phoning a local resident I know , trying to describe where I am and then write down directions ( if they even know them ) and the try and follow said directions when I 'm driving along .
Do n't get me wrong , I do n't mind getting a little lost sometimes but sat nav really is more useful than pratting about with getting directions .
I also think you may be underestimating satnav systems .
These days they 're pretty good at picking out the best route and most of them will take into account whether or not you want the shortest route , fastest route or if you just want to keep off the main roads .
I can certainly fault my satnav system in areas that I know well but those faults are usually minor and more often than not they 're because the route shown is easier to follow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I generally find it more pleasant to be able to pull over, turn on my sat nav and get back on track, rather than find a pen + paper, phoning a local resident I know, trying to describe where I am and then write down directions (if they even know them) and the try and follow said directions when I'm driving along.
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind getting a little lost sometimes but sat nav really is more useful than pratting about with getting directions.
I also think you may be underestimating satnav systems.
These days they're pretty good at picking out the best route and most of them will take into account whether or not you want the shortest route, fastest route or if you just want to keep off the main roads.
I can certainly fault my satnav system in areas that I know well but those faults are usually minor and more often than not they're because the route shown is easier to follow.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423988</id>
	<title>completely misunderstood</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260733260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>the editor completely misunderstands the point (or misuses his/her GPS).  The potential clutter of the user interface/map/traffic aside, GPS is the most dramatic <b>simplification</b> in driving to emerge in years -- <i>provided you just listen to the voice prompts.</i> <br> <br>  When used correctly, this one amazing device outsources your mental burden of navigation, and presents it to you with a clear voice that lets you devote your effort to (hopefully) driving better, although obviously this has turned many people's attention elsewhere.  <br> <br>If you've ever found yourself in an unfamiliar city in fast moving, dense traffic, trying to find an address, you will be grateful that you can offload your navigational workload to the GPS, which tells you clearly and plainly when to get ready to turn, in how far a distance, potentially even making it safer as you no longer swerve across 3 lanes of traffic at the last minute while looking at a paper map. <br> <br> Of course, people who use it to navigate down isolated country roads they're familiar with will never see the point, but for someone who's task-overloaded in a busy situation, listening to the GPS voice is an amazing improvement in life.</htmltext>
<tokenext>the editor completely misunderstands the point ( or misuses his/her GPS ) .
The potential clutter of the user interface/map/traffic aside , GPS is the most dramatic simplification in driving to emerge in years -- provided you just listen to the voice prompts .
When used correctly , this one amazing device outsources your mental burden of navigation , and presents it to you with a clear voice that lets you devote your effort to ( hopefully ) driving better , although obviously this has turned many people 's attention elsewhere .
If you 've ever found yourself in an unfamiliar city in fast moving , dense traffic , trying to find an address , you will be grateful that you can offload your navigational workload to the GPS , which tells you clearly and plainly when to get ready to turn , in how far a distance , potentially even making it safer as you no longer swerve across 3 lanes of traffic at the last minute while looking at a paper map .
Of course , people who use it to navigate down isolated country roads they 're familiar with will never see the point , but for someone who 's task-overloaded in a busy situation , listening to the GPS voice is an amazing improvement in life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the editor completely misunderstands the point (or misuses his/her GPS).
The potential clutter of the user interface/map/traffic aside, GPS is the most dramatic simplification in driving to emerge in years -- provided you just listen to the voice prompts.
When used correctly, this one amazing device outsources your mental burden of navigation, and presents it to you with a clear voice that lets you devote your effort to (hopefully) driving better, although obviously this has turned many people's attention elsewhere.
If you've ever found yourself in an unfamiliar city in fast moving, dense traffic, trying to find an address, you will be grateful that you can offload your navigational workload to the GPS, which tells you clearly and plainly when to get ready to turn, in how far a distance, potentially even making it safer as you no longer swerve across 3 lanes of traffic at the last minute while looking at a paper map.
Of course, people who use it to navigate down isolated country roads they're familiar with will never see the point, but for someone who's task-overloaded in a busy situation, listening to the GPS voice is an amazing improvement in life.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30426108</id>
	<title>Oh they're very helpful</title>
	<author>Provocateur</author>
	<datestamp>1260707040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...as I rode shotgun with the tow truck driver and listened to his GPS on the dash giving him the directions to my house. There was no way he could cheat me about the mileage to my house. Granted the language that the gadget's feminine voice spoke was one I didn't readily understand (for most people, Miami <i>is</i> South America j/k), and I doubt that man and woma--err, machine were conspiring to bill me excess $$ for that short trip, but I remembered to glare at the driver anyway, in case he even entertained the very *idea* of taking the longer way round.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...as I rode shotgun with the tow truck driver and listened to his GPS on the dash giving him the directions to my house .
There was no way he could cheat me about the mileage to my house .
Granted the language that the gadget 's feminine voice spoke was one I did n't readily understand ( for most people , Miami is South America j/k ) , and I doubt that man and woma--err , machine were conspiring to bill me excess $ $ for that short trip , but I remembered to glare at the driver anyway , in case he even entertained the very * idea * of taking the longer way round .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...as I rode shotgun with the tow truck driver and listened to his GPS on the dash giving him the directions to my house.
There was no way he could cheat me about the mileage to my house.
Granted the language that the gadget's feminine voice spoke was one I didn't readily understand (for most people, Miami is South America j/k), and I doubt that man and woma--err, machine were conspiring to bill me excess $$ for that short trip, but I remembered to glare at the driver anyway, in case he even entertained the very *idea* of taking the longer way round.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30430918</id>
	<title>Re:What's wrong in getting lost, sometimes, anyway</title>
	<author>Hodr</author>
	<datestamp>1260805740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I usually do not need a navigation tool to help me with small towns or cities (looking at a map once will show you the big highways and you can extrapolate from there).</p><p>HOWEVER, I do use one when going places like DC, where, if you miss your exit, or don't stay on the correct half of the highway (local vs through), you may need 30 minutes to an hour (no joke) to get back on the proper course.  So just taking a random exit and re-situating is not always an option.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I usually do not need a navigation tool to help me with small towns or cities ( looking at a map once will show you the big highways and you can extrapolate from there ) .HOWEVER , I do use one when going places like DC , where , if you miss your exit , or do n't stay on the correct half of the highway ( local vs through ) , you may need 30 minutes to an hour ( no joke ) to get back on the proper course .
So just taking a random exit and re-situating is not always an option .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I usually do not need a navigation tool to help me with small towns or cities (looking at a map once will show you the big highways and you can extrapolate from there).HOWEVER, I do use one when going places like DC, where, if you miss your exit, or don't stay on the correct half of the highway (local vs through), you may need 30 minutes to an hour (no joke) to get back on the proper course.
So just taking a random exit and re-situating is not always an option.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30435938</id>
	<title>Re:completely misunderstood</title>
	<author>Carnildo</author>
	<datestamp>1260787560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>the editor completely misunderstands the point (or misuses his/her GPS). The potential clutter of the user interface/map/traffic aside, GPS is the most dramatic simplification in driving to emerge in years -- provided you just listen to the voice prompts.</p></div></blockquote><p>When the voice prompts are correct, sure.  All too often, the prompts are incomplete, incorrect, or misleading:</p><p>"Keep left": describing a suicide merge onto a freeway.</p><p>"Bear right": a Y intersection where the right-hand fork passes over the left-hand fork while curving 270 degrees to the left.</p><p>"Turn right as soon as possible": Multipath reflection off a skyscraper caused the vehicle's position to jump by half a mile, resulting in the device computing a new, incorrect route and assuming the vehicle was going 100+ miles per hour.</p><p>"Turn left": A one-way street splits into four: 45 degrees right, straight ahead, 45 degrees left, and 90 degrees left.</p><p>I'd hate to see how it describes a traffic circle.</p></div>
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<tokenext>the editor completely misunderstands the point ( or misuses his/her GPS ) .
The potential clutter of the user interface/map/traffic aside , GPS is the most dramatic simplification in driving to emerge in years -- provided you just listen to the voice prompts.When the voice prompts are correct , sure .
All too often , the prompts are incomplete , incorrect , or misleading : " Keep left " : describing a suicide merge onto a freeway .
" Bear right " : a Y intersection where the right-hand fork passes over the left-hand fork while curving 270 degrees to the left .
" Turn right as soon as possible " : Multipath reflection off a skyscraper caused the vehicle 's position to jump by half a mile , resulting in the device computing a new , incorrect route and assuming the vehicle was going 100 + miles per hour .
" Turn left " : A one-way street splits into four : 45 degrees right , straight ahead , 45 degrees left , and 90 degrees left.I 'd hate to see how it describes a traffic circle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the editor completely misunderstands the point (or misuses his/her GPS).
The potential clutter of the user interface/map/traffic aside, GPS is the most dramatic simplification in driving to emerge in years -- provided you just listen to the voice prompts.When the voice prompts are correct, sure.
All too often, the prompts are incomplete, incorrect, or misleading:"Keep left": describing a suicide merge onto a freeway.
"Bear right": a Y intersection where the right-hand fork passes over the left-hand fork while curving 270 degrees to the left.
"Turn right as soon as possible": Multipath reflection off a skyscraper caused the vehicle's position to jump by half a mile, resulting in the device computing a new, incorrect route and assuming the vehicle was going 100+ miles per hour.
"Turn left": A one-way street splits into four: 45 degrees right, straight ahead, 45 degrees left, and 90 degrees left.I'd hate to see how it describes a traffic circle.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30427450</id>
	<title>Re:Turn off the audio</title>
	<author>PitaBred</author>
	<datestamp>1260719280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The real problem is that some people are highly visual, and some are audio-centric. I personally agree with you... I hate the voices. They always seem to be badly timed. I prefer to have the map show me where I'm going. I'll glance at it and make my own decisions, thank you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The real problem is that some people are highly visual , and some are audio-centric .
I personally agree with you... I hate the voices .
They always seem to be badly timed .
I prefer to have the map show me where I 'm going .
I 'll glance at it and make my own decisions , thank you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real problem is that some people are highly visual, and some are audio-centric.
I personally agree with you... I hate the voices.
They always seem to be badly timed.
I prefer to have the map show me where I'm going.
I'll glance at it and make my own decisions, thank you.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423720</id>
	<title>Case in point</title>
	<author>jdeitch</author>
	<datestamp>1260730680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just last week, here, we had a truck driver following his GPS ignore no less than EIGHT road signs saying "no trucks allowed"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>Then he got stuck on the train tracks (which was WHY the signs said "no trucks allowed")<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... the predictable result followed, and about 24,000 lbs of pizza ingredients got scattered over a fairly good chunk of town.</p><p>There are some people in the world who just shouldn't abandon paper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just last week , here , we had a truck driver following his GPS ignore no less than EIGHT road signs saying " no trucks allowed " ...Then he got stuck on the train tracks ( which was WHY the signs said " no trucks allowed " ) ... the predictable result followed , and about 24,000 lbs of pizza ingredients got scattered over a fairly good chunk of town.There are some people in the world who just should n't abandon paper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just last week, here, we had a truck driver following his GPS ignore no less than EIGHT road signs saying "no trucks allowed" ...Then he got stuck on the train tracks (which was WHY the signs said "no trucks allowed") ... the predictable result followed, and about 24,000 lbs of pizza ingredients got scattered over a fairly good chunk of town.There are some people in the world who just shouldn't abandon paper.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30428122</id>
	<title>Re:.no</title>
	<author>Techman83</author>
	<datestamp>1260727260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>GPS for me came in handy in a recent 4x4 adventure, we had been using paper maps and just following our noses along the track until my Fianc&#233; required urgent medical attention, now I didn't have one, but one of the other guys that was with us did, so whilst I was calling for an Ambulance, he was calling through our current location and best meeting point for the Ambulance over the 2 way. It was rather comforting that we didn't need to stop and work out where exactly we were or where we needed to be (we were familiar with the area, but the bush looks quite the same for quite some distance, so it's quite hard to narrow things down to more than +/- 10k's)</htmltext>
<tokenext>GPS for me came in handy in a recent 4x4 adventure , we had been using paper maps and just following our noses along the track until my Fianc   required urgent medical attention , now I did n't have one , but one of the other guys that was with us did , so whilst I was calling for an Ambulance , he was calling through our current location and best meeting point for the Ambulance over the 2 way .
It was rather comforting that we did n't need to stop and work out where exactly we were or where we needed to be ( we were familiar with the area , but the bush looks quite the same for quite some distance , so it 's quite hard to narrow things down to more than + /- 10k 's )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GPS for me came in handy in a recent 4x4 adventure, we had been using paper maps and just following our noses along the track until my Fiancé required urgent medical attention, now I didn't have one, but one of the other guys that was with us did, so whilst I was calling for an Ambulance, he was calling through our current location and best meeting point for the Ambulance over the 2 way.
It was rather comforting that we didn't need to stop and work out where exactly we were or where we needed to be (we were familiar with the area, but the bush looks quite the same for quite some distance, so it's quite hard to narrow things down to more than +/- 10k's)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30446274</id>
	<title>Re:What's wrong in getting lost, sometimes, anyway</title>
	<author>juhaz</author>
	<datestamp>1260900540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Not sure how representative this part is, but - when NOT driving in known area I'm always never in a real hurry.</p></div><p>Yes? So? All the more reason to have a GPS, you can wander around at leisure, going places and looking around just for the heck of it, and when you're done, it'll take you back to the main route.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>In few cases when that might be true it's easy to pre-plan it...</p></div><p>GPS is just like a pre-plan when all goes according to the plan - only better, since it adjusts when you make a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes, and someone with a static route is lost after one.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>or even ask somebody along the way / make a quick phonecall to known local resident when close to destination and lost (also - they, or other people who often travel the route you are planning to take, know much more than GPS: which way is more pleasant</p></div><p>No, actually they don't. Most people memorize a route to where they live, things VERY close to it, and places they go often, but they're probably entirely clueless about even the rest of the general vicinity. And the routes they DO know well they know too well, they give advice that is lacking because they take things for granted. You also need to know where you are to be able to ask. And even when everything goes well, asking takes you back to having a pre-plan - one mistake and you're lost.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Not sure how representative this part is , but - when NOT driving in known area I 'm always never in a real hurry.Yes ?
So ? All the more reason to have a GPS , you can wander around at leisure , going places and looking around just for the heck of it , and when you 're done , it 'll take you back to the main route.In few cases when that might be true it 's easy to pre-plan it...GPS is just like a pre-plan when all goes according to the plan - only better , since it adjusts when you make a mistake .
Everyone makes mistakes , and someone with a static route is lost after one.or even ask somebody along the way / make a quick phonecall to known local resident when close to destination and lost ( also - they , or other people who often travel the route you are planning to take , know much more than GPS : which way is more pleasantNo , actually they do n't .
Most people memorize a route to where they live , things VERY close to it , and places they go often , but they 're probably entirely clueless about even the rest of the general vicinity .
And the routes they DO know well they know too well , they give advice that is lacking because they take things for granted .
You also need to know where you are to be able to ask .
And even when everything goes well , asking takes you back to having a pre-plan - one mistake and you 're lost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not sure how representative this part is, but - when NOT driving in known area I'm always never in a real hurry.Yes?
So? All the more reason to have a GPS, you can wander around at leisure, going places and looking around just for the heck of it, and when you're done, it'll take you back to the main route.In few cases when that might be true it's easy to pre-plan it...GPS is just like a pre-plan when all goes according to the plan - only better, since it adjusts when you make a mistake.
Everyone makes mistakes, and someone with a static route is lost after one.or even ask somebody along the way / make a quick phonecall to known local resident when close to destination and lost (also - they, or other people who often travel the route you are planning to take, know much more than GPS: which way is more pleasantNo, actually they don't.
Most people memorize a route to where they live, things VERY close to it, and places they go often, but they're probably entirely clueless about even the rest of the general vicinity.
And the routes they DO know well they know too well, they give advice that is lacking because they take things for granted.
You also need to know where you are to be able to ask.
And even when everything goes well, asking takes you back to having a pre-plan - one mistake and you're lost.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30424002</id>
	<title>Useful Safety Feature</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260733380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My TomTom unit actually has some safety options where you can have the unit not display the realtime map - instead, it just shows a graphical representation of the next instruction (for example, a line that corners right to signify a right turn), the distance to that instruction, and the street name.  I think that's really a pretty useful feature.  I have it set up so that it does that whenever I'm going more than 50mph.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My TomTom unit actually has some safety options where you can have the unit not display the realtime map - instead , it just shows a graphical representation of the next instruction ( for example , a line that corners right to signify a right turn ) , the distance to that instruction , and the street name .
I think that 's really a pretty useful feature .
I have it set up so that it does that whenever I 'm going more than 50mph .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My TomTom unit actually has some safety options where you can have the unit not display the realtime map - instead, it just shows a graphical representation of the next instruction (for example, a line that corners right to signify a right turn), the distance to that instruction, and the street name.
I think that's really a pretty useful feature.
I have it set up so that it does that whenever I'm going more than 50mph.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30424732</id>
	<title>Re:technology editor sucks at technology?</title>
	<author>Jeremy Erwin</author>
	<datestamp>1260696600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We  don't know that. This piece, like all <i>Economist</i> articles, lacks a byline. For all we know, the writer could be a simple "Technology Correspondent", a mere peon at the magazine's vast technological desk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We do n't know that .
This piece , like all Economist articles , lacks a byline .
For all we know , the writer could be a simple " Technology Correspondent " , a mere peon at the magazine 's vast technological desk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We  don't know that.
This piece, like all Economist articles, lacks a byline.
For all we know, the writer could be a simple "Technology Correspondent", a mere peon at the magazine's vast technological desk.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423672</id>
	<title>Situational awareness</title>
	<author>wsanders</author>
	<datestamp>1260730320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have to post quickly, I have a Prius with a technology editor pinned inside I need to unwrap from around a bridge abutment.</p><p>Most people have pretty poor situational awareness. I've overheard more than once on he local ham radio repeater a conversation similar to this:</p><p>Ham driver: "Help help I have an emergency, I need a phone patch to CHP!"<br>Ham answers from somewhere: "Where are you?"<br>Driver: "I'm on the freeway!"</p><p>And so on.  I can only imagine what 911 dispatchers go through.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to post quickly , I have a Prius with a technology editor pinned inside I need to unwrap from around a bridge abutment.Most people have pretty poor situational awareness .
I 've overheard more than once on he local ham radio repeater a conversation similar to this : Ham driver : " Help help I have an emergency , I need a phone patch to CHP !
" Ham answers from somewhere : " Where are you ?
" Driver : " I 'm on the freeway !
" And so on .
I can only imagine what 911 dispatchers go through .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to post quickly, I have a Prius with a technology editor pinned inside I need to unwrap from around a bridge abutment.Most people have pretty poor situational awareness.
I've overheard more than once on he local ham radio repeater a conversation similar to this:Ham driver: "Help help I have an emergency, I need a phone patch to CHP!
"Ham answers from somewhere: "Where are you?
"Driver: "I'm on the freeway!
"And so on.
I can only imagine what 911 dispatchers go through.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30424782</id>
	<title>Purchase A-Z map of London</title>
	<author>fantomas</author>
	<datestamp>1260696840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Purchase a copy of the A-Z map of London (A5 book type not large fold out map). It's got real spatial maps and at the back or on the back cover has the tube map. Plus an index so you can see where tube stations are in the real world. Very handy for visiting friends etc when you're told "the nearest tube station is X" and you need to navigate the 200 metres from there. No maths degree required, average 11 year old literacy will suffice.</p><p>I think you mistake the purpose of the tube map - it was intended to show the sequence of tube stations and how each line connects. Read up on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry\_Beck" title="wikipedia.org">Harry Beck</a> [wikipedia.org] and the intention of the classic tube map redesign.  As someone who likes cartography you'll understand the problems involved that occur when you try to represent tube stations on a correct to scale map: lots of central London locations crammed together to enable you to fit the outer London stations on, plus too much peripheral geographical information.</p><p>p.s. I like your phrase "semi-employed mathematical friend from Cambridge" but I don't understand what this means. Are they part time tutoring/ lecturing, or does this mean they are doing shifts at MacDonalds?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Purchase a copy of the A-Z map of London ( A5 book type not large fold out map ) .
It 's got real spatial maps and at the back or on the back cover has the tube map .
Plus an index so you can see where tube stations are in the real world .
Very handy for visiting friends etc when you 're told " the nearest tube station is X " and you need to navigate the 200 metres from there .
No maths degree required , average 11 year old literacy will suffice.I think you mistake the purpose of the tube map - it was intended to show the sequence of tube stations and how each line connects .
Read up on Harry Beck [ wikipedia.org ] and the intention of the classic tube map redesign .
As someone who likes cartography you 'll understand the problems involved that occur when you try to represent tube stations on a correct to scale map : lots of central London locations crammed together to enable you to fit the outer London stations on , plus too much peripheral geographical information.p.s .
I like your phrase " semi-employed mathematical friend from Cambridge " but I do n't understand what this means .
Are they part time tutoring/ lecturing , or does this mean they are doing shifts at MacDonalds ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Purchase a copy of the A-Z map of London (A5 book type not large fold out map).
It's got real spatial maps and at the back or on the back cover has the tube map.
Plus an index so you can see where tube stations are in the real world.
Very handy for visiting friends etc when you're told "the nearest tube station is X" and you need to navigate the 200 metres from there.
No maths degree required, average 11 year old literacy will suffice.I think you mistake the purpose of the tube map - it was intended to show the sequence of tube stations and how each line connects.
Read up on Harry Beck [wikipedia.org] and the intention of the classic tube map redesign.
As someone who likes cartography you'll understand the problems involved that occur when you try to represent tube stations on a correct to scale map: lots of central London locations crammed together to enable you to fit the outer London stations on, plus too much peripheral geographical information.p.s.
I like your phrase "semi-employed mathematical friend from Cambridge" but I don't understand what this means.
Are they part time tutoring/ lecturing, or does this mean they are doing shifts at MacDonalds?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30424254</id>
	<title>Re:Headup display</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1260735720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>HUDs work wonderfully in military aircraft. Operators should never look into a cockpit unless absolutely necessary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>HUDs work wonderfully in military aircraft .
Operators should never look into a cockpit unless absolutely necessary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>HUDs work wonderfully in military aircraft.
Operators should never look into a cockpit unless absolutely necessary.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423784</id>
	<title>This is a great article, except...</title>
	<author>starglider29a</author>
	<datestamp>1260731160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>...it's hard to read on my iPhone while driving!</htmltext>
<tokenext>...it 's hard to read on my iPhone while driving !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...it's hard to read on my iPhone while driving!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423798</id>
	<title>Re:What's wrong in getting lost, sometimes, anyway</title>
	<author>phoenix321</author>
	<datestamp>1260731220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Getting lost in European cities can mean a 15km drive to get back on track, when all left turns are forbidden for several km or after the wrong exit on the roundabout you're right on a freeway that has no option of stopping or turning for quite some time.</p><p>If you're on holiday, rent a GPS or take a GPS-phone with Open Street Maps with you. It will certainly save some headaches, hours of searching and confusion when overpasses become underpasses, tall buildings obstruct all possible landmarks and reading the direction signs are placed only near the intersection like they typically are in France, Italy, Spain or Portugal. With three lanes of dense rush hour traffic between you and the exit.</p><p>Getting lost is still an option on a relaxed vacation: turn the thing off. But then you're hosed when you would like to return once again to that incredibly delicious tiny restaurant in that cozy village only a few km out where you've eaten at a week ago.</p><p>And then try to navigate the streets in Beijing or Shanghai, where traffic is absolutely batshit crazy, all drivers are in a hurry, using the turn indicators is forbidden by tradition and/or the brake lights are kaput since the dawn of the ages. And streets and lanes are still half a kilometer wide. I don't know about India, but I reckon the army of tuk-tuks storming the streets doesn't help much either. Ignoring for a while that most foreigners are not allowed to drive in mainland China, you absolutely positively need a GPS to survive things like that:</p><p><a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?&amp;sll=51.151786,10.415039&amp;sspn=13.744729,39.506836&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=31.209975,121.497352&amp;spn=0.009139,0.01929" title="google.com">http://maps.google.com/maps?&amp;sll=51.151786,10.415039&amp;sspn=13.744729,39.506836&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=31.209975,121.497352&amp;spn=0.009139,0.01929</a> [google.com]<br><a href="http://wallpapers.bpix.org/wallpapers/63/Shanghai\_at\_Night\%2C\_Shanghai\%2C\_P.R.\_China.jpg" title="bpix.org">http://wallpapers.bpix.org/wallpapers/63/Shanghai\_at\_Night\%2C\_Shanghai\%2C\_P.R.\_China.jpg</a> [bpix.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Getting lost in European cities can mean a 15km drive to get back on track , when all left turns are forbidden for several km or after the wrong exit on the roundabout you 're right on a freeway that has no option of stopping or turning for quite some time.If you 're on holiday , rent a GPS or take a GPS-phone with Open Street Maps with you .
It will certainly save some headaches , hours of searching and confusion when overpasses become underpasses , tall buildings obstruct all possible landmarks and reading the direction signs are placed only near the intersection like they typically are in France , Italy , Spain or Portugal .
With three lanes of dense rush hour traffic between you and the exit.Getting lost is still an option on a relaxed vacation : turn the thing off .
But then you 're hosed when you would like to return once again to that incredibly delicious tiny restaurant in that cozy village only a few km out where you 've eaten at a week ago.And then try to navigate the streets in Beijing or Shanghai , where traffic is absolutely batshit crazy , all drivers are in a hurry , using the turn indicators is forbidden by tradition and/or the brake lights are kaput since the dawn of the ages .
And streets and lanes are still half a kilometer wide .
I do n't know about India , but I reckon the army of tuk-tuks storming the streets does n't help much either .
Ignoring for a while that most foreigners are not allowed to drive in mainland China , you absolutely positively need a GPS to survive things like that : http : //maps.google.com/maps ? &amp;sll = 51.151786,10.415039&amp;sspn = 13.744729,39.506836&amp;ie = UTF8&amp;ll = 31.209975,121.497352&amp;spn = 0.009139,0.01929 [ google.com ] http : //wallpapers.bpix.org/wallpapers/63/Shanghai \ _at \ _Night \ % 2C \ _Shanghai \ % 2C \ _P.R. \ _China.jpg [ bpix.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Getting lost in European cities can mean a 15km drive to get back on track, when all left turns are forbidden for several km or after the wrong exit on the roundabout you're right on a freeway that has no option of stopping or turning for quite some time.If you're on holiday, rent a GPS or take a GPS-phone with Open Street Maps with you.
It will certainly save some headaches, hours of searching and confusion when overpasses become underpasses, tall buildings obstruct all possible landmarks and reading the direction signs are placed only near the intersection like they typically are in France, Italy, Spain or Portugal.
With three lanes of dense rush hour traffic between you and the exit.Getting lost is still an option on a relaxed vacation: turn the thing off.
But then you're hosed when you would like to return once again to that incredibly delicious tiny restaurant in that cozy village only a few km out where you've eaten at a week ago.And then try to navigate the streets in Beijing or Shanghai, where traffic is absolutely batshit crazy, all drivers are in a hurry, using the turn indicators is forbidden by tradition and/or the brake lights are kaput since the dawn of the ages.
And streets and lanes are still half a kilometer wide.
I don't know about India, but I reckon the army of tuk-tuks storming the streets doesn't help much either.
Ignoring for a while that most foreigners are not allowed to drive in mainland China, you absolutely positively need a GPS to survive things like that:http://maps.google.com/maps?&amp;sll=51.151786,10.415039&amp;sspn=13.744729,39.506836&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=31.209975,121.497352&amp;spn=0.009139,0.01929 [google.com]http://wallpapers.bpix.org/wallpapers/63/Shanghai\_at\_Night\%2C\_Shanghai\%2C\_P.R.\_China.jpg [bpix.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30429730</id>
	<title>Re:.no</title>
	<author>RichiH</author>
	<datestamp>1260796380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A few points:</p><p>&gt; I had no idea that traffic there gets like that.</p><p>If a truck falls over and blocks all lanes (a friend got stuck in that, recently), you will have jams like that. Usually, it's better, though.</p><p>&gt; We decided to follow a small group of cars that were driving on the shoulder and trying to find a way out. This was probably illegal, but whatever.</p><p>Correct<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:p</p><p>&gt; Check the GPS, we found exactly where we were (with the traffic lady letting us know that noone was moving) and it was one a dirt road. I zoomed in on the map, found the next nearest hamlet and we navigated there.</p><p>There are signs near all Autobahns, telling you which way to drive to get to the next ramp in either direction. Pre-GPS traffic jam avoidance system.</p><p>&gt; Later, back on the main highway, we were stopped at a light or something</p><p>I assume you do \_not\_ refer to an Autobahn?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;) We have a few lights in front of tunnels, but unless there is something burning in the tunnel, those are off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A few points : &gt; I had no idea that traffic there gets like that.If a truck falls over and blocks all lanes ( a friend got stuck in that , recently ) , you will have jams like that .
Usually , it 's better , though. &gt; We decided to follow a small group of cars that were driving on the shoulder and trying to find a way out .
This was probably illegal , but whatever.Correct : p &gt; Check the GPS , we found exactly where we were ( with the traffic lady letting us know that noone was moving ) and it was one a dirt road .
I zoomed in on the map , found the next nearest hamlet and we navigated there.There are signs near all Autobahns , telling you which way to drive to get to the next ramp in either direction .
Pre-GPS traffic jam avoidance system. &gt; Later , back on the main highway , we were stopped at a light or somethingI assume you do \ _not \ _ refer to an Autobahn ?
; ) We have a few lights in front of tunnels , but unless there is something burning in the tunnel , those are off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A few points:&gt; I had no idea that traffic there gets like that.If a truck falls over and blocks all lanes (a friend got stuck in that, recently), you will have jams like that.
Usually, it's better, though.&gt; We decided to follow a small group of cars that were driving on the shoulder and trying to find a way out.
This was probably illegal, but whatever.Correct :p&gt; Check the GPS, we found exactly where we were (with the traffic lady letting us know that noone was moving) and it was one a dirt road.
I zoomed in on the map, found the next nearest hamlet and we navigated there.There are signs near all Autobahns, telling you which way to drive to get to the next ramp in either direction.
Pre-GPS traffic jam avoidance system.&gt; Later, back on the main highway, we were stopped at a light or somethingI assume you do \_not\_ refer to an Autobahn?
;) We have a few lights in front of tunnels, but unless there is something burning in the tunnel, those are off.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423882</id>
	<title>Re:What's wrong in getting lost, sometimes, anyway</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260732000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or you could do what I do: just take the next exit and let the sat-nav figure out how to get you back on track.  If it takes less than a second to do so, missing a couple streets isn't that big a deal, and there's almost certainly a lower attention-demanding route to wherever.  Generally, the most complicated places are highways in traffic with left-exits and short spans.</p><p>But if you take any nearby exit, there's almost always a "street with many stoplights" that you can pretty much take your time on.  Sat-nav also helps with tricky left turns on <em>that</em> street.  Just turn right anywhere near your destination and let it recalculate a route for you.</p><p>The thing about sat nav is that it creates a new navigation paradigm.  If you use it right it can really free you from worrying about where you are so you can concentrate on not hitting things.  You don't have to drive straight to your destination without deviating from the route to avoid stopping and getting your bearings.  Everywhere is like the areas you're familiar with, where if you miss a turn it's no big deal, you just go one of the other permutations you know all about.</p><p>Even if the machine's maps don't quite match up to reality, it's still no worse than when you're in your familiar area and you're trying out a permutation you're fuzzy on:  Just turn off when it doesn't match up and get on a route that you know about.  As long as you pay attention to the road, the worst thing that can happen is that it'll take longer to get where you're trying to go (unless where you're trying to go is in the middle of a block of roads that the sat-nav is not accurate on.  But that's pretty rare.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or you could do what I do : just take the next exit and let the sat-nav figure out how to get you back on track .
If it takes less than a second to do so , missing a couple streets is n't that big a deal , and there 's almost certainly a lower attention-demanding route to wherever .
Generally , the most complicated places are highways in traffic with left-exits and short spans.But if you take any nearby exit , there 's almost always a " street with many stoplights " that you can pretty much take your time on .
Sat-nav also helps with tricky left turns on that street .
Just turn right anywhere near your destination and let it recalculate a route for you.The thing about sat nav is that it creates a new navigation paradigm .
If you use it right it can really free you from worrying about where you are so you can concentrate on not hitting things .
You do n't have to drive straight to your destination without deviating from the route to avoid stopping and getting your bearings .
Everywhere is like the areas you 're familiar with , where if you miss a turn it 's no big deal , you just go one of the other permutations you know all about.Even if the machine 's maps do n't quite match up to reality , it 's still no worse than when you 're in your familiar area and you 're trying out a permutation you 're fuzzy on : Just turn off when it does n't match up and get on a route that you know about .
As long as you pay attention to the road , the worst thing that can happen is that it 'll take longer to get where you 're trying to go ( unless where you 're trying to go is in the middle of a block of roads that the sat-nav is not accurate on .
But that 's pretty rare .
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<sentencetext>Or you could do what I do: just take the next exit and let the sat-nav figure out how to get you back on track.
If it takes less than a second to do so, missing a couple streets isn't that big a deal, and there's almost certainly a lower attention-demanding route to wherever.
Generally, the most complicated places are highways in traffic with left-exits and short spans.But if you take any nearby exit, there's almost always a "street with many stoplights" that you can pretty much take your time on.
Sat-nav also helps with tricky left turns on that street.
Just turn right anywhere near your destination and let it recalculate a route for you.The thing about sat nav is that it creates a new navigation paradigm.
If you use it right it can really free you from worrying about where you are so you can concentrate on not hitting things.
You don't have to drive straight to your destination without deviating from the route to avoid stopping and getting your bearings.
Everywhere is like the areas you're familiar with, where if you miss a turn it's no big deal, you just go one of the other permutations you know all about.Even if the machine's maps don't quite match up to reality, it's still no worse than when you're in your familiar area and you're trying out a permutation you're fuzzy on:  Just turn off when it doesn't match up and get on a route that you know about.
As long as you pay attention to the road, the worst thing that can happen is that it'll take longer to get where you're trying to go (unless where you're trying to go is in the middle of a block of roads that the sat-nav is not accurate on.
But that's pretty rare.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423530</id>
	<title>technology editor sucks at technology?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260729060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the guy is a technology editor, why is he struggling with something as simple as a GPS?  I'd understand if he was reporting that <i>others</i> had this problem... but come on.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the guy is a technology editor , why is he struggling with something as simple as a GPS ?
I 'd understand if he was reporting that others had this problem... but come on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the guy is a technology editor, why is he struggling with something as simple as a GPS?
I'd understand if he was reporting that others had this problem... but come on.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30426780</id>
	<title>It can work both ways</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260713640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>During the 2007 wildfires in San Diego, my office was in one of the areas that was evacuated. When I got up to go to work, I could smell the smoke, checked the news, and found out that I shouldn't go to work. Not so for a friend....he got up early, and wasn't listening to the radio, so he started driving in to work. When the traffic started backing up on the freeway (the freeway was *closed* because of the fires), he turned on his GPS, and got off on the first exit. When traffic backed up on the surface street, he turned, and followed his GPS, down smaller and smaller streets, managing to navigate around all of the checkpoints, and get all the way to the office, smack in the middle of the evacuated area. Where he found the gate locked and nobody home.</p><p>In his defense, during that time of year, there are smaller wildfires all the time, and it smells like smoke most of the time. But really, it was really bad that day. It must have looked like he was driving into Mordor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>During the 2007 wildfires in San Diego , my office was in one of the areas that was evacuated .
When I got up to go to work , I could smell the smoke , checked the news , and found out that I should n't go to work .
Not so for a friend....he got up early , and was n't listening to the radio , so he started driving in to work .
When the traffic started backing up on the freeway ( the freeway was * closed * because of the fires ) , he turned on his GPS , and got off on the first exit .
When traffic backed up on the surface street , he turned , and followed his GPS , down smaller and smaller streets , managing to navigate around all of the checkpoints , and get all the way to the office , smack in the middle of the evacuated area .
Where he found the gate locked and nobody home.In his defense , during that time of year , there are smaller wildfires all the time , and it smells like smoke most of the time .
But really , it was really bad that day .
It must have looked like he was driving into Mordor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>During the 2007 wildfires in San Diego, my office was in one of the areas that was evacuated.
When I got up to go to work, I could smell the smoke, checked the news, and found out that I shouldn't go to work.
Not so for a friend....he got up early, and wasn't listening to the radio, so he started driving in to work.
When the traffic started backing up on the freeway (the freeway was *closed* because of the fires), he turned on his GPS, and got off on the first exit.
When traffic backed up on the surface street, he turned, and followed his GPS, down smaller and smaller streets, managing to navigate around all of the checkpoints, and get all the way to the office, smack in the middle of the evacuated area.
Where he found the gate locked and nobody home.In his defense, during that time of year, there are smaller wildfires all the time, and it smells like smoke most of the time.
But really, it was really bad that day.
It must have looked like he was driving into Mordor.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30432042</id>
	<title>Re:Case in point</title>
	<author>d34dluk3</author>
	<datestamp>1260810960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To be fair, it can be hard to distinguish between "no trucks allowed because they will get stuck" and "no trucks allowed because we are assholes and try to tell everybody where they can drive."</htmltext>
<tokenext>To be fair , it can be hard to distinguish between " no trucks allowed because they will get stuck " and " no trucks allowed because we are assholes and try to tell everybody where they can drive .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be fair, it can be hard to distinguish between "no trucks allowed because they will get stuck" and "no trucks allowed because we are assholes and try to tell everybody where they can drive.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30425302</id>
	<title>Re:.no</title>
	<author>dov\_0</author>
	<datestamp>1260700440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I find maps far less distracting, far less annoying and generally far more useful. Personally, I never really trust anything with a womans voice that gives directions...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I find maps far less distracting , far less annoying and generally far more useful .
Personally , I never really trust anything with a womans voice that gives directions.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find maps far less distracting, far less annoying and generally far more useful.
Personally, I never really trust anything with a womans voice that gives directions...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423760</id>
	<title>Ever drive in Maine?</title>
	<author>JohnPombrio</author>
	<datestamp>1260731040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext> Or Colorado? Or any other place where the roads are winding and have blind intersections? There I need all the information I can get. And if you are tooling down a highway, who looks at the map?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or Colorado ?
Or any other place where the roads are winding and have blind intersections ?
There I need all the information I can get .
And if you are tooling down a highway , who looks at the map ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Or Colorado?
Or any other place where the roads are winding and have blind intersections?
There I need all the information I can get.
And if you are tooling down a highway, who looks at the map?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423684</id>
	<title>Re:technology editor sucks at technology?</title>
	<author>itsdapead</author>
	<datestamp>1260730380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If the guy is a technology editor, why is he struggling with something as simple as a GPS?  I'd understand if he was reporting that <i>others</i> had this problem... but come on.</p></div><p>If you actually RTFA you'd see that he wasn't complaining that he couldn't <i>work</i> his GPS, but was concerned about the potentially distracting visual clutter that is appearing on newer GPSs: 3D buildings, landmarks, terrain etc. and comparing it with two minimalist systems which research has shown to be more effective at communicating the necessary information with minimum distraction.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the guy is a technology editor , why is he struggling with something as simple as a GPS ?
I 'd understand if he was reporting that others had this problem... but come on.If you actually RTFA you 'd see that he was n't complaining that he could n't work his GPS , but was concerned about the potentially distracting visual clutter that is appearing on newer GPSs : 3D buildings , landmarks , terrain etc .
and comparing it with two minimalist systems which research has shown to be more effective at communicating the necessary information with minimum distraction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the guy is a technology editor, why is he struggling with something as simple as a GPS?
I'd understand if he was reporting that others had this problem... but come on.If you actually RTFA you'd see that he wasn't complaining that he couldn't work his GPS, but was concerned about the potentially distracting visual clutter that is appearing on newer GPSs: 3D buildings, landmarks, terrain etc.
and comparing it with two minimalist systems which research has shown to be more effective at communicating the necessary information with minimum distraction.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30424780</id>
	<title>Re:Underground maps? Easy? Blimey...</title>
	<author>Duradin</author>
	<datestamp>1260696840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Getting around London with the Underground was rather easy for me and I've never dealt with subways before that trip nor had I been to London (or England) before.</p><p>Route to entrance station, route from exit station, the actual physical path in between didn't matter. And this was with the free brochure map and I didn't ask for directions.</p><p>It did get interesting when they started shutting stations down due to some bomb threats so I had to adjust some routes on the fly but that was an issue of certain lines shutting down, not getting lost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Getting around London with the Underground was rather easy for me and I 've never dealt with subways before that trip nor had I been to London ( or England ) before.Route to entrance station , route from exit station , the actual physical path in between did n't matter .
And this was with the free brochure map and I did n't ask for directions.It did get interesting when they started shutting stations down due to some bomb threats so I had to adjust some routes on the fly but that was an issue of certain lines shutting down , not getting lost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Getting around London with the Underground was rather easy for me and I've never dealt with subways before that trip nor had I been to London (or England) before.Route to entrance station, route from exit station, the actual physical path in between didn't matter.
And this was with the free brochure map and I didn't ask for directions.It did get interesting when they started shutting stations down due to some bomb threats so I had to adjust some routes on the fly but that was an issue of certain lines shutting down, not getting lost.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30425106</id>
	<title>Re:Headup display</title>
	<author>sunderland56</author>
	<datestamp>1260699060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What would you display on a motorcycle HUD?
<ul>
<li>Speed is irrevalent, and you pretty much know how fast you're going from the feel of the wind anyway</li><li>Engine revs (tachometer) you can tell by ear, and bikes have a rev limiter anyway</li><li>Oil/engine temperature, oil pressure, etc. are idiot lights you'll see glowing without a HUD</li><li>You can see the *actual* turn signals on the bike, so a turn signal indicator is just silly</li><li>Fuel level isn't that useful - in general you just ride around until you hit reserve, then buy gas</li><li>What gear you're in you know already, if you're paying attention</li></ul><p>
What else is there? I hope you don't want a GPS - the entire <i>point</i> of a motorcycle is to be off the beaten track in the first place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What would you display on a motorcycle HUD ?
Speed is irrevalent , and you pretty much know how fast you 're going from the feel of the wind anywayEngine revs ( tachometer ) you can tell by ear , and bikes have a rev limiter anywayOil/engine temperature , oil pressure , etc .
are idiot lights you 'll see glowing without a HUDYou can see the * actual * turn signals on the bike , so a turn signal indicator is just sillyFuel level is n't that useful - in general you just ride around until you hit reserve , then buy gasWhat gear you 're in you know already , if you 're paying attention What else is there ?
I hope you do n't want a GPS - the entire point of a motorcycle is to be off the beaten track in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What would you display on a motorcycle HUD?
Speed is irrevalent, and you pretty much know how fast you're going from the feel of the wind anywayEngine revs (tachometer) you can tell by ear, and bikes have a rev limiter anywayOil/engine temperature, oil pressure, etc.
are idiot lights you'll see glowing without a HUDYou can see the *actual* turn signals on the bike, so a turn signal indicator is just sillyFuel level isn't that useful - in general you just ride around until you hit reserve, then buy gasWhat gear you're in you know already, if you're paying attention
What else is there?
I hope you don't want a GPS - the entire point of a motorcycle is to be off the beaten track in the first place.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30424806</id>
	<title>Re:.no</title>
	<author>FrigBot</author>
	<datestamp>1260697020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In May and June this year, I went to Germany and Holland with my father. We rented an Audi with a  GPS built in. It was a gift from the gods of navigation. Without it we would have been totally inept, and neither of us had used one before. I generally ran the nav system while he drove (because I picked up the fine points of the system quicker than he did).</p><p>One day, in Germany on the Autobahn (can't remember exactly where right now but I do have notes on it) there was a huge traffic jam. I had no idea that traffic there gets like that. But everything was backed up. People shut off their cars and got out to chat. Nobody was moving, in either direction. Remember this is the Autobahn.</p><p>Anyway, two notable things happened. We decided to follow a small group of cars that were driving on the shoulder and trying to find a way out. This was probably illegal, but whatever. After getting off the main highway, we wound up alone somewhere. Check the GPS, we found exactly where we were (with the traffic lady letting us know that noone was moving) and it was one a dirt road. I zoomed in on the map, found the next nearest hamlet and we navigated there. Then I did that again and again, and we drove through about a dozen tiny villages. It was amazing. We saw old buildings that no tourist ever sees, and some had scars in them, maybe from WW2. Got to see a lot of neat things.</p><p>Later, back on the main highway, we were stopped at a light or something and the kid in the car behind us jumped out, came to my window and asked for directions to some town he was trying to reach. I used the gps and gave him what he needed. That was cool too.</p><p>GPS is not distracting. I found it very helpful. Witout it we never would have seen those off-the-beaten path villages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In May and June this year , I went to Germany and Holland with my father .
We rented an Audi with a GPS built in .
It was a gift from the gods of navigation .
Without it we would have been totally inept , and neither of us had used one before .
I generally ran the nav system while he drove ( because I picked up the fine points of the system quicker than he did ) .One day , in Germany on the Autobahn ( ca n't remember exactly where right now but I do have notes on it ) there was a huge traffic jam .
I had no idea that traffic there gets like that .
But everything was backed up .
People shut off their cars and got out to chat .
Nobody was moving , in either direction .
Remember this is the Autobahn.Anyway , two notable things happened .
We decided to follow a small group of cars that were driving on the shoulder and trying to find a way out .
This was probably illegal , but whatever .
After getting off the main highway , we wound up alone somewhere .
Check the GPS , we found exactly where we were ( with the traffic lady letting us know that noone was moving ) and it was one a dirt road .
I zoomed in on the map , found the next nearest hamlet and we navigated there .
Then I did that again and again , and we drove through about a dozen tiny villages .
It was amazing .
We saw old buildings that no tourist ever sees , and some had scars in them , maybe from WW2 .
Got to see a lot of neat things.Later , back on the main highway , we were stopped at a light or something and the kid in the car behind us jumped out , came to my window and asked for directions to some town he was trying to reach .
I used the gps and gave him what he needed .
That was cool too.GPS is not distracting .
I found it very helpful .
Witout it we never would have seen those off-the-beaten path villages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In May and June this year, I went to Germany and Holland with my father.
We rented an Audi with a  GPS built in.
It was a gift from the gods of navigation.
Without it we would have been totally inept, and neither of us had used one before.
I generally ran the nav system while he drove (because I picked up the fine points of the system quicker than he did).One day, in Germany on the Autobahn (can't remember exactly where right now but I do have notes on it) there was a huge traffic jam.
I had no idea that traffic there gets like that.
But everything was backed up.
People shut off their cars and got out to chat.
Nobody was moving, in either direction.
Remember this is the Autobahn.Anyway, two notable things happened.
We decided to follow a small group of cars that were driving on the shoulder and trying to find a way out.
This was probably illegal, but whatever.
After getting off the main highway, we wound up alone somewhere.
Check the GPS, we found exactly where we were (with the traffic lady letting us know that noone was moving) and it was one a dirt road.
I zoomed in on the map, found the next nearest hamlet and we navigated there.
Then I did that again and again, and we drove through about a dozen tiny villages.
It was amazing.
We saw old buildings that no tourist ever sees, and some had scars in them, maybe from WW2.
Got to see a lot of neat things.Later, back on the main highway, we were stopped at a light or something and the kid in the car behind us jumped out, came to my window and asked for directions to some town he was trying to reach.
I used the gps and gave him what he needed.
That was cool too.GPS is not distracting.
I found it very helpful.
Witout it we never would have seen those off-the-beaten path villages.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423704</id>
	<title>Re:technology editor sucks at technology?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260730560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If the guy is a technology editor, why is he struggling with something as simple as a GPS?  I'd understand if he was reporting that <i>others</i> had this problem... but come on.</p></div><p>Ah, I believe the point being brought here is not a matter of being technologically challenged by such a device, but more of the matter of being a device that has gone from being a simple GPS to the new "all-in-wonder" device in the car that will talk to you, answer your phone, play music, give directions, and (soon), start throwing advertisements for local businesses in the area, all at the VERY HIGH cost of distracting the person who is in charge of controlling 2 metric tons of steel down a road at 60MPH or faster.</p><p>As the death tolls rise every day with cellular use while driving(including texting), I can definitely see the issue with similar devices.  When insurance companies start refusing to pay for accidents caused by these devices, THEN we may start seeing some REAL reform with all of this.  Until then, watch your ass on the roads, because these next-generation twit(ters) can't seem to get enough distractions behind the wheel.  I'll be lucky if my kids live to see 30.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the guy is a technology editor , why is he struggling with something as simple as a GPS ?
I 'd understand if he was reporting that others had this problem... but come on.Ah , I believe the point being brought here is not a matter of being technologically challenged by such a device , but more of the matter of being a device that has gone from being a simple GPS to the new " all-in-wonder " device in the car that will talk to you , answer your phone , play music , give directions , and ( soon ) , start throwing advertisements for local businesses in the area , all at the VERY HIGH cost of distracting the person who is in charge of controlling 2 metric tons of steel down a road at 60MPH or faster.As the death tolls rise every day with cellular use while driving ( including texting ) , I can definitely see the issue with similar devices .
When insurance companies start refusing to pay for accidents caused by these devices , THEN we may start seeing some REAL reform with all of this .
Until then , watch your ass on the roads , because these next-generation twit ( ters ) ca n't seem to get enough distractions behind the wheel .
I 'll be lucky if my kids live to see 30 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the guy is a technology editor, why is he struggling with something as simple as a GPS?
I'd understand if he was reporting that others had this problem... but come on.Ah, I believe the point being brought here is not a matter of being technologically challenged by such a device, but more of the matter of being a device that has gone from being a simple GPS to the new "all-in-wonder" device in the car that will talk to you, answer your phone, play music, give directions, and (soon), start throwing advertisements for local businesses in the area, all at the VERY HIGH cost of distracting the person who is in charge of controlling 2 metric tons of steel down a road at 60MPH or faster.As the death tolls rise every day with cellular use while driving(including texting), I can definitely see the issue with similar devices.
When insurance companies start refusing to pay for accidents caused by these devices, THEN we may start seeing some REAL reform with all of this.
Until then, watch your ass on the roads, because these next-generation twit(ters) can't seem to get enough distractions behind the wheel.
I'll be lucky if my kids live to see 30.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30426754</id>
	<title>What I want: a "chatter" parameter</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1260713460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are times I want dead simple: a straight line showing "forward," a blinking arrow for "turn right!" and another line showing the turn to be made.</p><p>But it all depends -- sometimes, my GPS is really an information *underload* -- I know I'm to turn, but the exit signs are ambiguous. I know that some GPS units are getting better about showing detailed views, nearly video-game style, at at least some complex intersections.</p><p>And really, I'd like the GPS screen to be closer to the stuff available to airline pilots: I'd like to see the weather overlaid over my large-scale map, if I'm driving from Seattle to El Paso (Yes, it's a long drive, but it's got many things to recommend along the way.) Should I avoid the mountains, because I'll be at great risk of avalanche?</p><p>I'd also like a "chatter" mode (defeatable, of course) that would tell me interesting things about the geology, geography, history of where I am -- even if it was just synthesized speech nabbed from Wikipedia from an entry for whatever town I'm passing through<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>timothy</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are times I want dead simple : a straight line showing " forward , " a blinking arrow for " turn right !
" and another line showing the turn to be made.But it all depends -- sometimes , my GPS is really an information * underload * -- I know I 'm to turn , but the exit signs are ambiguous .
I know that some GPS units are getting better about showing detailed views , nearly video-game style , at at least some complex intersections.And really , I 'd like the GPS screen to be closer to the stuff available to airline pilots : I 'd like to see the weather overlaid over my large-scale map , if I 'm driving from Seattle to El Paso ( Yes , it 's a long drive , but it 's got many things to recommend along the way .
) Should I avoid the mountains , because I 'll be at great risk of avalanche ? I 'd also like a " chatter " mode ( defeatable , of course ) that would tell me interesting things about the geology , geography , history of where I am -- even if it was just synthesized speech nabbed from Wikipedia from an entry for whatever town I 'm passing through ...timothy</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are times I want dead simple: a straight line showing "forward," a blinking arrow for "turn right!
" and another line showing the turn to be made.But it all depends -- sometimes, my GPS is really an information *underload* -- I know I'm to turn, but the exit signs are ambiguous.
I know that some GPS units are getting better about showing detailed views, nearly video-game style, at at least some complex intersections.And really, I'd like the GPS screen to be closer to the stuff available to airline pilots: I'd like to see the weather overlaid over my large-scale map, if I'm driving from Seattle to El Paso (Yes, it's a long drive, but it's got many things to recommend along the way.
) Should I avoid the mountains, because I'll be at great risk of avalanche?I'd also like a "chatter" mode (defeatable, of course) that would tell me interesting things about the geology, geography, history of where I am -- even if it was just synthesized speech nabbed from Wikipedia from an entry for whatever town I'm passing through ...timothy</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423974</id>
	<title>Use of Sat-Nav</title>
	<author>pertelote</author>
	<datestamp>1260733020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I recently got my droid, and found the Google Maps fascinating. I most certainly cannot watch the screen even in the cradle while driving, but I found it to be a great tool for trip planning. I make service calls all over my county, and checking the map before I go does help.</p><p>However, the best use I got from the device was last month on an out of state trip. I programmed in the location, got directions, studied the route, tried an alternative route to skip certain expressway construction, listened to the audio and used Google Earth to see the landmarks and destination from street level. Did *all* that before I started the trip. When I did get slightly off track once, a quick reference to the device helped me back on track quickly. Made the 850 journey as easy as the morning drive to my office.</p><p>Like all technology, these devices have their place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recently got my droid , and found the Google Maps fascinating .
I most certainly can not watch the screen even in the cradle while driving , but I found it to be a great tool for trip planning .
I make service calls all over my county , and checking the map before I go does help.However , the best use I got from the device was last month on an out of state trip .
I programmed in the location , got directions , studied the route , tried an alternative route to skip certain expressway construction , listened to the audio and used Google Earth to see the landmarks and destination from street level .
Did * all * that before I started the trip .
When I did get slightly off track once , a quick reference to the device helped me back on track quickly .
Made the 850 journey as easy as the morning drive to my office.Like all technology , these devices have their place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recently got my droid, and found the Google Maps fascinating.
I most certainly cannot watch the screen even in the cradle while driving, but I found it to be a great tool for trip planning.
I make service calls all over my county, and checking the map before I go does help.However, the best use I got from the device was last month on an out of state trip.
I programmed in the location, got directions, studied the route, tried an alternative route to skip certain expressway construction, listened to the audio and used Google Earth to see the landmarks and destination from street level.
Did *all* that before I started the trip.
When I did get slightly off track once, a quick reference to the device helped me back on track quickly.
Made the 850 journey as easy as the morning drive to my office.Like all technology, these devices have their place.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423562</id>
	<title>If you can't ignore the GPS</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1260729360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then you probably shouldn't be driving. Take the bus.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then you probably should n't be driving .
Take the bus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then you probably shouldn't be driving.
Take the bus.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30424436</id>
	<title>Re:Case in point</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260737100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In my parents' 1960s suburban neighborhood, a street was chopped in half to build a brand-new stormwater retention pond.</p><p>You can guess what happened. A college student, used to using the street as a high-speed shortcut, missed a stop sign, missed the yellow "end of road" signs, and drove straight into the pond.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In my parents ' 1960s suburban neighborhood , a street was chopped in half to build a brand-new stormwater retention pond.You can guess what happened .
A college student , used to using the street as a high-speed shortcut , missed a stop sign , missed the yellow " end of road " signs , and drove straight into the pond .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my parents' 1960s suburban neighborhood, a street was chopped in half to build a brand-new stormwater retention pond.You can guess what happened.
A college student, used to using the street as a high-speed shortcut, missed a stop sign, missed the yellow "end of road" signs, and drove straight into the pond.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30424080</id>
	<title>As compared to ...</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1260733980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... unfolding a 2x3 foot paper map while driving?</htmltext>
<tokenext>... unfolding a 2x3 foot paper map while driving ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... unfolding a 2x3 foot paper map while driving?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423930</id>
	<title>Re:If you can't ignore the GPS</title>
	<author>supernova87a</author>
	<datestamp>1260732540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>By the way, just a tip for everyone -- I've found that ironically the bus is actually where a GPS makes the biggest improvement in knowing how to get around. <br> <br>If you're in an unfamiliar city, buses (in contrast to trains) often have a frustratingly indescribable and unpredictable route/stop pattern, and when the driver/announcement system is of no help, a GPS system in your hand will help you figure out exactly how close you are to your destination, and when to get off the bus. <br> <br>I no longer dread dealing with buses because of this capability, although the lurching stop/start of buses in general still drives me crazy. Try it sometime -- the small Nuvi-style units are just about as inconspicuous as an ipod, and are great for helping you get around.</htmltext>
<tokenext>By the way , just a tip for everyone -- I 've found that ironically the bus is actually where a GPS makes the biggest improvement in knowing how to get around .
If you 're in an unfamiliar city , buses ( in contrast to trains ) often have a frustratingly indescribable and unpredictable route/stop pattern , and when the driver/announcement system is of no help , a GPS system in your hand will help you figure out exactly how close you are to your destination , and when to get off the bus .
I no longer dread dealing with buses because of this capability , although the lurching stop/start of buses in general still drives me crazy .
Try it sometime -- the small Nuvi-style units are just about as inconspicuous as an ipod , and are great for helping you get around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By the way, just a tip for everyone -- I've found that ironically the bus is actually where a GPS makes the biggest improvement in knowing how to get around.
If you're in an unfamiliar city, buses (in contrast to trains) often have a frustratingly indescribable and unpredictable route/stop pattern, and when the driver/announcement system is of no help, a GPS system in your hand will help you figure out exactly how close you are to your destination, and when to get off the bus.
I no longer dread dealing with buses because of this capability, although the lurching stop/start of buses in general still drives me crazy.
Try it sometime -- the small Nuvi-style units are just about as inconspicuous as an ipod, and are great for helping you get around.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30429340</id>
	<title>Re:.no</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1260789900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yep, I use it daily on my commute, it's not just about direction finding but the information it provides is useful.</p><p>Primarily, on sections of road/motorway which are poorly signed I always know how far it is to my exit, I know if I have enough distance at current speed to overtake a row of traffic before having to pull back in to get off, I know my exact speed rather than the rough estimate that car speedometers provide, it beeps if a camera is coming up so that I can be sure I haven't edged over the speed limit when I inevitably switch into autopilot mode on the 50 minute commute there and back each day. On such a commute I travel past places I never normally go, I follow my route but don't know the side streets and areas, but if a road is closed on my normal route due to an accident I can get to/from work in exactly the same amount of time because the satnav detours me through an equally sensible route to that I normally take, but would not otherwise know. People don't have to give me directions that may or may not be correct because they're working from memory and have mis-counted the number of turns, the whereabouts of landmarks and such, I don't have to try and read those instructions whilst driving because the satnav tells me.</p><p>I wouldn't pretend they're perfect devices, you have to use common sense when using them, sometimes they don't always get it right, but just as with a desktop computer- if you use it as a tool to assist you in your job, rather than expect it to do your job for you then complain when it gets it wrong then it's a great device. Information overload? Not at all, if I felt it was information overload, I'd just, you know, switch it off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep , I use it daily on my commute , it 's not just about direction finding but the information it provides is useful.Primarily , on sections of road/motorway which are poorly signed I always know how far it is to my exit , I know if I have enough distance at current speed to overtake a row of traffic before having to pull back in to get off , I know my exact speed rather than the rough estimate that car speedometers provide , it beeps if a camera is coming up so that I can be sure I have n't edged over the speed limit when I inevitably switch into autopilot mode on the 50 minute commute there and back each day .
On such a commute I travel past places I never normally go , I follow my route but do n't know the side streets and areas , but if a road is closed on my normal route due to an accident I can get to/from work in exactly the same amount of time because the satnav detours me through an equally sensible route to that I normally take , but would not otherwise know .
People do n't have to give me directions that may or may not be correct because they 're working from memory and have mis-counted the number of turns , the whereabouts of landmarks and such , I do n't have to try and read those instructions whilst driving because the satnav tells me.I would n't pretend they 're perfect devices , you have to use common sense when using them , sometimes they do n't always get it right , but just as with a desktop computer- if you use it as a tool to assist you in your job , rather than expect it to do your job for you then complain when it gets it wrong then it 's a great device .
Information overload ?
Not at all , if I felt it was information overload , I 'd just , you know , switch it off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep, I use it daily on my commute, it's not just about direction finding but the information it provides is useful.Primarily, on sections of road/motorway which are poorly signed I always know how far it is to my exit, I know if I have enough distance at current speed to overtake a row of traffic before having to pull back in to get off, I know my exact speed rather than the rough estimate that car speedometers provide, it beeps if a camera is coming up so that I can be sure I haven't edged over the speed limit when I inevitably switch into autopilot mode on the 50 minute commute there and back each day.
On such a commute I travel past places I never normally go, I follow my route but don't know the side streets and areas, but if a road is closed on my normal route due to an accident I can get to/from work in exactly the same amount of time because the satnav detours me through an equally sensible route to that I normally take, but would not otherwise know.
People don't have to give me directions that may or may not be correct because they're working from memory and have mis-counted the number of turns, the whereabouts of landmarks and such, I don't have to try and read those instructions whilst driving because the satnav tells me.I wouldn't pretend they're perfect devices, you have to use common sense when using them, sometimes they don't always get it right, but just as with a desktop computer- if you use it as a tool to assist you in your job, rather than expect it to do your job for you then complain when it gets it wrong then it's a great device.
Information overload?
Not at all, if I felt it was information overload, I'd just, you know, switch it off.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30425184</id>
	<title>Turn off the audio</title>
	<author>Wormholio</author>
	<datestamp>1260699600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I found the audio to be distracting, whereas the video display gives me positional awareness, and I can look at it when I choose to, not when the box decides to say something.  I found I was much more relaxed when I found how to turn off the audio.</p><p>So I guess having both at the same time is the real problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I found the audio to be distracting , whereas the video display gives me positional awareness , and I can look at it when I choose to , not when the box decides to say something .
I found I was much more relaxed when I found how to turn off the audio.So I guess having both at the same time is the real problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I found the audio to be distracting, whereas the video display gives me positional awareness, and I can look at it when I choose to, not when the box decides to say something.
I found I was much more relaxed when I found how to turn off the audio.So I guess having both at the same time is the real problem.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423638</id>
	<title>...I lack the time to make it short.</title>
	<author>jfengel</author>
	<datestamp>1260729960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What the article is talking about isn't "bloat", but rather extra algorithms to remove unnecessary detail.  As Pascal put it, "I made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it short."  It takes more work to include only and exactly the right information.</p><p>That's extremely hard with navigation, since leaving the wrong thing out can be worse than the original information overload.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What the article is talking about is n't " bloat " , but rather extra algorithms to remove unnecessary detail .
As Pascal put it , " I made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it short .
" It takes more work to include only and exactly the right information.That 's extremely hard with navigation , since leaving the wrong thing out can be worse than the original information overload .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the article is talking about isn't "bloat", but rather extra algorithms to remove unnecessary detail.
As Pascal put it, "I made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it short.
"  It takes more work to include only and exactly the right information.That's extremely hard with navigation, since leaving the wrong thing out can be worse than the original information overload.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30423814</id>
	<title>Accurate visuals are extremely helpful</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260731460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Personally, I use the accurate maps on a GPS device to resolve ambiguities in the directions.  This is especially true in the case of unusual ramp systems on the highway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , I use the accurate maps on a GPS device to resolve ambiguities in the directions .
This is especially true in the case of unusual ramp systems on the highway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, I use the accurate maps on a GPS device to resolve ambiguities in the directions.
This is especially true in the case of unusual ramp systems on the highway.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30426662</id>
	<title>GPS is not foolproof... or proof against fools.</title>
	<author>Rowanyote</author>
	<datestamp>1260712500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One of the things that gets lost is that GPS units have a learning curve.  Just like any other technological device in our society, the operator has to know enough to decide whether or not to follow the directions being given.</p><p>I have seen accounts of people following GPS intructions into wildly illegal and sometimes fatal misdirections, which points out that we can't just turn off our brains and follow the commands.</p><p>For myself, I drive a commercial truck and am in constant interaction with my GPS.  Having a simple map display gives me a constant read on where I am in relation to the roads around me, and allow me to change my actual driving route quickly in response to traffic conditions.  The interaction between local knowledge and the information given by the GPS allow me to get around town much faster than I would without it, or even by just blindly following the directions it gives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the things that gets lost is that GPS units have a learning curve .
Just like any other technological device in our society , the operator has to know enough to decide whether or not to follow the directions being given.I have seen accounts of people following GPS intructions into wildly illegal and sometimes fatal misdirections , which points out that we ca n't just turn off our brains and follow the commands.For myself , I drive a commercial truck and am in constant interaction with my GPS .
Having a simple map display gives me a constant read on where I am in relation to the roads around me , and allow me to change my actual driving route quickly in response to traffic conditions .
The interaction between local knowledge and the information given by the GPS allow me to get around town much faster than I would without it , or even by just blindly following the directions it gives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the things that gets lost is that GPS units have a learning curve.
Just like any other technological device in our society, the operator has to know enough to decide whether or not to follow the directions being given.I have seen accounts of people following GPS intructions into wildly illegal and sometimes fatal misdirections, which points out that we can't just turn off our brains and follow the commands.For myself, I drive a commercial truck and am in constant interaction with my GPS.
Having a simple map display gives me a constant read on where I am in relation to the roads around me, and allow me to change my actual driving route quickly in response to traffic conditions.
The interaction between local knowledge and the information given by the GPS allow me to get around town much faster than I would without it, or even by just blindly following the directions it gives.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_13_1648205.30428118</id>
	<title>Re:.no</title>
	<author>adolf</author>
	<datestamp>1260727200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like maps, too.  I like to look at them, I like to connect the dots.  I like the little bits of random knowledge that I pick up in doing so.  My Dad taught me how to read a map before I even learned how to read English.</p><p>But I hate using maps when driving.  In the car, I find them cumbersome, verbose, generally annoying, and difficult to remember.</p><p>To top it all off, I get lost very easily, for whatever reason.  Back in the day, I used to even get lost at school.  (Hey, we've all got problems.)</p><p>So, I use GPS.  When it's important to be timely (I often travel for work), it gets me there with reasonable efficiency, and I don't get lost.  The constant hand-holding is actually useful and welcome, for me, sometimes.  (Before GPS was commonly available, I once missed a turn, and ended up taking a 100-mile detour.  My co-worker was calling on the 2-way radio asking me where I was, and I didn't know I was fucked until I noticed his voice was all distant and static-y.  Those radios had range of 30 or 40 miles on this terrain.)</p><p>But, on my own time, I like traveling for fun.  I don't always take the Interstate even when it's faster, and I really enjoy finding new things in my travels.  I'm not afraid of wandering around on dirt roads all afternoon.  But, I still use GPS.</p><p>I think there's a couple of things about GPS navigation that you don't understand:</p><p>1.  It can be told to shut up.  Then, you can drive wherever you want, however you want.  See something over there, a little bit off your path?  Go there.  Want to stop off at a small town that the highway avoids?  Goferit.  And when you get tired of doing that, or it starts getting dark out (boring, usually) it'll get you back on track.</p><p>2.  It will go wherever you want it to.  You don't like the directions?  Ignore them.  Mute them.  Drive where you feel like.  You don't like this exit?  Skip it.  It'll adjust quickly, and when (and if) you want help, just give the screen a look and it'll give you a reasonable next step.</p><p>3.  When driving for fun, you can just -go-.  Forget the maps, forget about destinations, forget GPS.  Spend a day or so just seeing what there is to see.  It's cheaper than a movie, and for me, one of my favorite ways to kill a Sunday.  Eventually, though, it becomes time to head home:  The dog needs fed, the wife wants chocolate, or some such thing.  Push a couple of buttons, though, and all of the random adventure is gone -- it gets you over to a major road in a hurry, and you're headed back.  Of course, you're still free to tell it to shut the hell up (see 1, above) or correct it (2), if its directions aren't jiving right with your mojo at that instant.</p><p>GPS units don't compute a static path from A to B.  They compute a dynamic path from wherever you're currently at, to whatever your destination is.  Most of them can come in very handy as a local directory, as well:  Sometimes, you NEED some coolant for the engine.  You might NEED a tire.  Or NEED a hospital.  Or, at your advanced age, you might NEED a bathroom.  It'll get you to those places even if you have no clue at all where you're at except "Somewhere on C, between A and B."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like maps , too .
I like to look at them , I like to connect the dots .
I like the little bits of random knowledge that I pick up in doing so .
My Dad taught me how to read a map before I even learned how to read English.But I hate using maps when driving .
In the car , I find them cumbersome , verbose , generally annoying , and difficult to remember.To top it all off , I get lost very easily , for whatever reason .
Back in the day , I used to even get lost at school .
( Hey , we 've all got problems .
) So , I use GPS .
When it 's important to be timely ( I often travel for work ) , it gets me there with reasonable efficiency , and I do n't get lost .
The constant hand-holding is actually useful and welcome , for me , sometimes .
( Before GPS was commonly available , I once missed a turn , and ended up taking a 100-mile detour .
My co-worker was calling on the 2-way radio asking me where I was , and I did n't know I was fucked until I noticed his voice was all distant and static-y .
Those radios had range of 30 or 40 miles on this terrain .
) But , on my own time , I like traveling for fun .
I do n't always take the Interstate even when it 's faster , and I really enjoy finding new things in my travels .
I 'm not afraid of wandering around on dirt roads all afternoon .
But , I still use GPS.I think there 's a couple of things about GPS navigation that you do n't understand : 1 .
It can be told to shut up .
Then , you can drive wherever you want , however you want .
See something over there , a little bit off your path ?
Go there .
Want to stop off at a small town that the highway avoids ?
Goferit. And when you get tired of doing that , or it starts getting dark out ( boring , usually ) it 'll get you back on track.2 .
It will go wherever you want it to .
You do n't like the directions ?
Ignore them .
Mute them .
Drive where you feel like .
You do n't like this exit ?
Skip it .
It 'll adjust quickly , and when ( and if ) you want help , just give the screen a look and it 'll give you a reasonable next step.3 .
When driving for fun , you can just -go- .
Forget the maps , forget about destinations , forget GPS .
Spend a day or so just seeing what there is to see .
It 's cheaper than a movie , and for me , one of my favorite ways to kill a Sunday .
Eventually , though , it becomes time to head home : The dog needs fed , the wife wants chocolate , or some such thing .
Push a couple of buttons , though , and all of the random adventure is gone -- it gets you over to a major road in a hurry , and you 're headed back .
Of course , you 're still free to tell it to shut the hell up ( see 1 , above ) or correct it ( 2 ) , if its directions are n't jiving right with your mojo at that instant.GPS units do n't compute a static path from A to B. They compute a dynamic path from wherever you 're currently at , to whatever your destination is .
Most of them can come in very handy as a local directory , as well : Sometimes , you NEED some coolant for the engine .
You might NEED a tire .
Or NEED a hospital .
Or , at your advanced age , you might NEED a bathroom .
It 'll get you to those places even if you have no clue at all where you 're at except " Somewhere on C , between A and B .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like maps, too.
I like to look at them, I like to connect the dots.
I like the little bits of random knowledge that I pick up in doing so.
My Dad taught me how to read a map before I even learned how to read English.But I hate using maps when driving.
In the car, I find them cumbersome, verbose, generally annoying, and difficult to remember.To top it all off, I get lost very easily, for whatever reason.
Back in the day, I used to even get lost at school.
(Hey, we've all got problems.
)So, I use GPS.
When it's important to be timely (I often travel for work), it gets me there with reasonable efficiency, and I don't get lost.
The constant hand-holding is actually useful and welcome, for me, sometimes.
(Before GPS was commonly available, I once missed a turn, and ended up taking a 100-mile detour.
My co-worker was calling on the 2-way radio asking me where I was, and I didn't know I was fucked until I noticed his voice was all distant and static-y.
Those radios had range of 30 or 40 miles on this terrain.
)But, on my own time, I like traveling for fun.
I don't always take the Interstate even when it's faster, and I really enjoy finding new things in my travels.
I'm not afraid of wandering around on dirt roads all afternoon.
But, I still use GPS.I think there's a couple of things about GPS navigation that you don't understand:1.
It can be told to shut up.
Then, you can drive wherever you want, however you want.
See something over there, a little bit off your path?
Go there.
Want to stop off at a small town that the highway avoids?
Goferit.  And when you get tired of doing that, or it starts getting dark out (boring, usually) it'll get you back on track.2.
It will go wherever you want it to.
You don't like the directions?
Ignore them.
Mute them.
Drive where you feel like.
You don't like this exit?
Skip it.
It'll adjust quickly, and when (and if) you want help, just give the screen a look and it'll give you a reasonable next step.3.
When driving for fun, you can just -go-.
Forget the maps, forget about destinations, forget GPS.
Spend a day or so just seeing what there is to see.
It's cheaper than a movie, and for me, one of my favorite ways to kill a Sunday.
Eventually, though, it becomes time to head home:  The dog needs fed, the wife wants chocolate, or some such thing.
Push a couple of buttons, though, and all of the random adventure is gone -- it gets you over to a major road in a hurry, and you're headed back.
Of course, you're still free to tell it to shut the hell up (see 1, above) or correct it (2), if its directions aren't jiving right with your mojo at that instant.GPS units don't compute a static path from A to B.  They compute a dynamic path from wherever you're currently at, to whatever your destination is.
Most of them can come in very handy as a local directory, as well:  Sometimes, you NEED some coolant for the engine.
You might NEED a tire.
Or NEED a hospital.
Or, at your advanced age, you might NEED a bathroom.
It'll get you to those places even if you have no clue at all where you're at except "Somewhere on C, between A and B.
"</sentencetext>
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