<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_12_2324257</id>
	<title>MySpace-Imeem Deal Leaves Indie Artists Unpaid</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1260623460000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>azoblue writes with news that following <a href="//entertainment.slashdot.org/story/09/12/09/0128221/MySpace-Buys-and-Then-Takes-Down-Imeem">MySpace's acquisition and shutdown of imeem</a>, independent artists who sold their music through imeem's Snocap music storefronts (on MySpace and other sites) <a href="http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/12/myspace-imeem-deal/">won't be paid what's owed them</a>. More than 110,000 artists are believed to be affected. The crux of the problem is that MySpace acquired only a certain portion of the assets that were imeem &mdash; "the domain name and certain technology and trademarks" &mdash; and not imeem&rsquo;s outstanding debts, including the money imeem owed to artists under the Snocap relationship. According to the article, some artists have been owed money for more than a year. <i>"Napster creator Shawn Fanning co-founded Snocap in 2002 to let artists sell their music through an embeddable storefront widget. At one point, the service was marketed as the exclusive way for artists to sell music on MySpace. Imeem bought Snocap last summer. But because MySpace left most aspects of Snocap out of its acquisition of imeem&rsquo;s assets, all 110,000 or so of those storefronts are gone. The server that hosts them is offline and so is the Snocap website."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>azoblue writes with news that following MySpace 's acquisition and shutdown of imeem , independent artists who sold their music through imeem 's Snocap music storefronts ( on MySpace and other sites ) wo n't be paid what 's owed them .
More than 110,000 artists are believed to be affected .
The crux of the problem is that MySpace acquired only a certain portion of the assets that were imeem    " the domain name and certain technology and trademarks "    and not imeem    s outstanding debts , including the money imeem owed to artists under the Snocap relationship .
According to the article , some artists have been owed money for more than a year .
" Napster creator Shawn Fanning co-founded Snocap in 2002 to let artists sell their music through an embeddable storefront widget .
At one point , the service was marketed as the exclusive way for artists to sell music on MySpace .
Imeem bought Snocap last summer .
But because MySpace left most aspects of Snocap out of its acquisition of imeem    s assets , all 110,000 or so of those storefronts are gone .
The server that hosts them is offline and so is the Snocap website .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>azoblue writes with news that following MySpace's acquisition and shutdown of imeem, independent artists who sold their music through imeem's Snocap music storefronts (on MySpace and other sites) won't be paid what's owed them.
More than 110,000 artists are believed to be affected.
The crux of the problem is that MySpace acquired only a certain portion of the assets that were imeem — "the domain name and certain technology and trademarks" — and not imeem’s outstanding debts, including the money imeem owed to artists under the Snocap relationship.
According to the article, some artists have been owed money for more than a year.
"Napster creator Shawn Fanning co-founded Snocap in 2002 to let artists sell their music through an embeddable storefront widget.
At one point, the service was marketed as the exclusive way for artists to sell music on MySpace.
Imeem bought Snocap last summer.
But because MySpace left most aspects of Snocap out of its acquisition of imeem’s assets, all 110,000 or so of those storefronts are gone.
The server that hosts them is offline and so is the Snocap website.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30423276</id>
	<title>Re:That's insolvency</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260726480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the US, it's the IRS, bondholders, secured lines, unsecured lines, unless, of course, president Obama decides to steal a billion dollars from bondholders, in which case, they get skipped. See GM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the US , it 's the IRS , bondholders , secured lines , unsecured lines , unless , of course , president Obama decides to steal a billion dollars from bondholders , in which case , they get skipped .
See GM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the US, it's the IRS, bondholders, secured lines, unsecured lines, unless, of course, president Obama decides to steal a billion dollars from bondholders, in which case, they get skipped.
See GM.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422134</id>
	<title>Class Action</title>
	<author>ProzacPatient</author>
	<datestamp>1260714600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I smell a class action suit brewing.. or at least some kind of mass legal action if these artists are not payed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I smell a class action suit brewing.. or at least some kind of mass legal action if these artists are not payed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I smell a class action suit brewing.. or at least some kind of mass legal action if these artists are not payed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422148</id>
	<title>Meet the new boss</title>
	<author>fragmatic43</author>
	<datestamp>1260714840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
Everyone said it was just the nature of the old media moguls to steal the money from the artists. The new Napsterites were supposed to be purer and they would never do anything bad to the artists. But maybe this was just camouflage for their anarchy.

Bummer...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone said it was just the nature of the old media moguls to steal the money from the artists .
The new Napsterites were supposed to be purer and they would never do anything bad to the artists .
But maybe this was just camouflage for their anarchy .
Bummer.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Everyone said it was just the nature of the old media moguls to steal the money from the artists.
The new Napsterites were supposed to be purer and they would never do anything bad to the artists.
But maybe this was just camouflage for their anarchy.
Bummer...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422208</id>
	<title>Tie</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260715680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But these guys who own MySpace are wearing ties, so it's OK if they owe money to artists and do not pay.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But these guys who own MySpace are wearing ties , so it 's OK if they owe money to artists and do not pay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But these guys who own MySpace are wearing ties, so it's OK if they owe money to artists and do not pay.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422184</id>
	<title>Re:Good indie music?</title>
	<author>piepkraak</author>
	<datestamp>1260715260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're joking, right? Atmosphere for example, and there are thousands of example of high profile indie artists.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're joking , right ?
Atmosphere for example , and there are thousands of example of high profile indie artists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're joking, right?
Atmosphere for example, and there are thousands of example of high profile indie artists.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422132</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30425836</id>
	<title>Re:Meet the new boss</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260704940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You realize that MySpace is owned by Rupert Murdoch?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You realize that MySpace is owned by Rupert Murdoch ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You realize that MySpace is owned by Rupert Murdoch?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422148</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30424572</id>
	<title>I don't know about that but</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260695040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Glenn Beck is already blaming Obama.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Glenn Beck is already blaming Obama .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Glenn Beck is already blaming Obama.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422144</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30423958</id>
	<title>Re:Good indie music?</title>
	<author>maggotbrain\_777</author>
	<datestamp>1260732840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Siouxsie and the Banshees never recorded "Oh Bondage, Up Yours". That was X-Ray Spex.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Siouxsie and the Banshees never recorded " Oh Bondage , Up Yours " .
That was X-Ray Spex .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Siouxsie and the Banshees never recorded "Oh Bondage, Up Yours".
That was X-Ray Spex.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422206</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422226</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260715920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>What's the point of buying a brand name and trademarks, the face of the company, then ruining half of it by leaving all the previous owner's liabilities unresolved? "Technologies"? Really? Wasn't Imeem considered fairly inferior in that department? I suppose this is MySpace we're talking about though...</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the point of buying a brand name and trademarks , the face of the company , then ruining half of it by leaving all the previous owner 's liabilities unresolved ?
" Technologies " ? Really ?
Was n't Imeem considered fairly inferior in that department ?
I suppose this is MySpace we 're talking about though.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the point of buying a brand name and trademarks, the face of the company, then ruining half of it by leaving all the previous owner's liabilities unresolved?
"Technologies"? Really?
Wasn't Imeem considered fairly inferior in that department?
I suppose this is MySpace we're talking about though...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422290</id>
	<title>Re:That's insolvency</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260716700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, who got the money that MySpace paid for those assets? Normally all debtees would get the same percentage of their receivables. Suppose the assets cover 20 percent of the debt, then every debtee should get 20 percent of what they're owed. I have a feeling that that is not what happened.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , who got the money that MySpace paid for those assets ?
Normally all debtees would get the same percentage of their receivables .
Suppose the assets cover 20 percent of the debt , then every debtee should get 20 percent of what they 're owed .
I have a feeling that that is not what happened .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, who got the money that MySpace paid for those assets?
Normally all debtees would get the same percentage of their receivables.
Suppose the assets cover 20 percent of the debt, then every debtee should get 20 percent of what they're owed.
I have a feeling that that is not what happened.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422138</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422132</id>
	<title>Good indie music?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260714540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is "indie" music which is just as commercial as the popular music genre. Siouxsie and the Banshees comes to mind as something that is "indie" but really pretty mainstream.</p><p>Then there is indie music which is really independent. The guy with the Fender down at the tavern or the guy with his Ibanez out on the sidewalk or the crazy New Age woman with long unkempt hair singing at the bottom of the stairs in the subway are all "artists" that come to mind when I think of indie artists.</p><p>The difference between these two types is simply the quality of their music. The latter being mostly a mass of untalented hacks.</p><p>So when I hear that indie musicians are being somehow screwed out of money, I have to wonder how much money they are really missing out on. Who are their customers? Are there any really good indie artists?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is " indie " music which is just as commercial as the popular music genre .
Siouxsie and the Banshees comes to mind as something that is " indie " but really pretty mainstream.Then there is indie music which is really independent .
The guy with the Fender down at the tavern or the guy with his Ibanez out on the sidewalk or the crazy New Age woman with long unkempt hair singing at the bottom of the stairs in the subway are all " artists " that come to mind when I think of indie artists.The difference between these two types is simply the quality of their music .
The latter being mostly a mass of untalented hacks.So when I hear that indie musicians are being somehow screwed out of money , I have to wonder how much money they are really missing out on .
Who are their customers ?
Are there any really good indie artists ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is "indie" music which is just as commercial as the popular music genre.
Siouxsie and the Banshees comes to mind as something that is "indie" but really pretty mainstream.Then there is indie music which is really independent.
The guy with the Fender down at the tavern or the guy with his Ibanez out on the sidewalk or the crazy New Age woman with long unkempt hair singing at the bottom of the stairs in the subway are all "artists" that come to mind when I think of indie artists.The difference between these two types is simply the quality of their music.
The latter being mostly a mass of untalented hacks.So when I hear that indie musicians are being somehow screwed out of money, I have to wonder how much money they are really missing out on.
Who are their customers?
Are there any really good indie artists?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422216</id>
	<title>Re:Good indie music?</title>
	<author>Devout\_IPUite</author>
	<datestamp>1260715800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>BadAnalogyGuy was suggested that people DIDN'T buy their music. That they maybe sold $10 of music or less.</htmltext>
<tokenext>BadAnalogyGuy was suggested that people DID N'T buy their music .
That they maybe sold $ 10 of music or less .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BadAnalogyGuy was suggested that people DIDN'T buy their music.
That they maybe sold $10 of music or less.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422168</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422206</id>
	<title>Re:Good indie music?</title>
	<author>PopeRatzo</author>
	<datestamp>1260715620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Siouxsie and the Banshees comes to mind as something that is "indie" but really pretty mainstream.</p></div></blockquote><p>Let me assure you, when Siouxsie and the Banshees released "Oh Bondage, Up Yours" in the late 1970's, they were extremely transgressive for the time.  They were far outside of the mainstream marketing sector known today as "indie", which is basically mainstream culture cleverly repackaged to let good little consumers think they are edgy.</p><p>Think: "Give me a vente mocha skim latte...in a dirty cup."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Siouxsie and the Banshees comes to mind as something that is " indie " but really pretty mainstream.Let me assure you , when Siouxsie and the Banshees released " Oh Bondage , Up Yours " in the late 1970 's , they were extremely transgressive for the time .
They were far outside of the mainstream marketing sector known today as " indie " , which is basically mainstream culture cleverly repackaged to let good little consumers think they are edgy.Think : " Give me a vente mocha skim latte...in a dirty cup .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Siouxsie and the Banshees comes to mind as something that is "indie" but really pretty mainstream.Let me assure you, when Siouxsie and the Banshees released "Oh Bondage, Up Yours" in the late 1970's, they were extremely transgressive for the time.
They were far outside of the mainstream marketing sector known today as "indie", which is basically mainstream culture cleverly repackaged to let good little consumers think they are edgy.Think: "Give me a vente mocha skim latte...in a dirty cup.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30423572</id>
	<title>Re:Good indie music?</title>
	<author>PenisLands</author>
	<datestamp>1260729420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>As 'untalented' as they might be, at least they're making an effort to be creative... unlike you, one who doesn't do much more than make shitty troll posts on slashdot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As 'untalented ' as they might be , at least they 're making an effort to be creative... unlike you , one who does n't do much more than make shitty troll posts on slashdot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As 'untalented' as they might be, at least they're making an effort to be creative... unlike you, one who doesn't do much more than make shitty troll posts on slashdot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30423404</id>
	<title>Re:Good indie music?</title>
	<author>tyroneking</author>
	<datestamp>1260727740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt; This is why I hate to do business with anyone that I can't actually go put my hands on if need be. I do it of course, but I hate it.</p><p>Second that - myself and some colleagues were once denied payment for some work by an intermediary because the end-client had not paid my client. I offered to walk off site and sit in the intermediary's office (a 10 minute bus ride away) with my colleagues and a small selection of sports equipment. Naturally the matter was resolved in a few days.</p><p>The mistake that some musicians made, I guess, was to continue to sell thru Imeen when the first due payment was missed. At that point they should have devoted their efforts to bad mouthing them until they failed a lot earlier - they are musicians after all and they always seem to have a lot more public clout than they really deserve.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; This is why I hate to do business with anyone that I ca n't actually go put my hands on if need be .
I do it of course , but I hate it.Second that - myself and some colleagues were once denied payment for some work by an intermediary because the end-client had not paid my client .
I offered to walk off site and sit in the intermediary 's office ( a 10 minute bus ride away ) with my colleagues and a small selection of sports equipment .
Naturally the matter was resolved in a few days.The mistake that some musicians made , I guess , was to continue to sell thru Imeen when the first due payment was missed .
At that point they should have devoted their efforts to bad mouthing them until they failed a lot earlier - they are musicians after all and they always seem to have a lot more public clout than they really deserve .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt; This is why I hate to do business with anyone that I can't actually go put my hands on if need be.
I do it of course, but I hate it.Second that - myself and some colleagues were once denied payment for some work by an intermediary because the end-client had not paid my client.
I offered to walk off site and sit in the intermediary's office (a 10 minute bus ride away) with my colleagues and a small selection of sports equipment.
Naturally the matter was resolved in a few days.The mistake that some musicians made, I guess, was to continue to sell thru Imeen when the first due payment was missed.
At that point they should have devoted their efforts to bad mouthing them until they failed a lot earlier - they are musicians after all and they always seem to have a lot more public clout than they really deserve.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30438478</id>
	<title>Solutions for Current and/or Ex- Imeem Customers!</title>
	<author>chunkiv</author>
	<datestamp>1260799320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422340</id>
	<title>Re:Good indie music?</title>
	<author>vivaelamor</author>
	<datestamp>1260717300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>when Siouxsie and the Banshees released "Oh Bondage, Up Yours"</p></div><p>Uh, "Oh Bondage, Up Yours!" was a song by X-Ray Spex, not Siouxsie and the Banshees. BTW, all of the labels Siouxsie and the Banshees have been on appear to have been bought by UMG.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>when Siouxsie and the Banshees released " Oh Bondage , Up Yours " Uh , " Oh Bondage , Up Yours !
" was a song by X-Ray Spex , not Siouxsie and the Banshees .
BTW , all of the labels Siouxsie and the Banshees have been on appear to have been bought by UMG .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>when Siouxsie and the Banshees released "Oh Bondage, Up Yours"Uh, "Oh Bondage, Up Yours!
" was a song by X-Ray Spex, not Siouxsie and the Banshees.
BTW, all of the labels Siouxsie and the Banshees have been on appear to have been bought by UMG.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30423016</id>
	<title>Re:Class Action</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260723960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anyone nit-picking enough to write a letter of correction to an editor doubtless deserves the error that provoked it.
  - Alvin Toffler</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone nit-picking enough to write a letter of correction to an editor doubtless deserves the error that provoked it .
- Alvin Toffler</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone nit-picking enough to write a letter of correction to an editor doubtless deserves the error that provoked it.
- Alvin Toffler</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422308</id>
	<title>Re:Good indie music?</title>
	<author>great om</author>
	<datestamp>1260716880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>um,  oh bondage, up yours was X-Ray Specs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Ray\_Spex).  Never went mainstream, was an awesome album</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>um , oh bondage , up yours was X-Ray Specs ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Ray \ _Spex ) .
Never went mainstream , was an awesome album</tokentext>
<sentencetext>um,  oh bondage, up yours was X-Ray Specs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Ray\_Spex).
Never went mainstream, was an awesome album</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30430282</id>
	<title>This news is sooo unimportant</title>
	<author>Lazypete</author>
	<datestamp>1260802020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That news is just soooo... unimportant.. I mean what 110 000 unknown artist haven't been paid, thats nothing. You want news? The MPAA is screaming that the movie industry is loosing billions of dollards. I mean thats a lot of money.. who cares if hard working low budget artist dont have money to get food... The bottomless pucket from the movie industry are loosing billions... Thats a lot of money... they could probably feed 10x 110 000 underground artist trying to make a living, but thats no matter... They need more money.. they wouldn't know what to do with it except re-invest it.. but thats not a problem... the problem is that they should have had more...

Am I the only one seeing a problem here.
The more I think about it, the more I see only one solution to all those nagging problem.
We need a revolution!</htmltext>
<tokenext>That news is just soooo... unimportant.. I mean what 110 000 unknown artist have n't been paid , thats nothing .
You want news ?
The MPAA is screaming that the movie industry is loosing billions of dollards .
I mean thats a lot of money.. who cares if hard working low budget artist dont have money to get food... The bottomless pucket from the movie industry are loosing billions... Thats a lot of money... they could probably feed 10x 110 000 underground artist trying to make a living , but thats no matter... They need more money.. they would n't know what to do with it except re-invest it.. but thats not a problem... the problem is that they should have had more.. . Am I the only one seeing a problem here .
The more I think about it , the more I see only one solution to all those nagging problem .
We need a revolution !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That news is just soooo... unimportant.. I mean what 110 000 unknown artist haven't been paid, thats nothing.
You want news?
The MPAA is screaming that the movie industry is loosing billions of dollards.
I mean thats a lot of money.. who cares if hard working low budget artist dont have money to get food... The bottomless pucket from the movie industry are loosing billions... Thats a lot of money... they could probably feed 10x 110 000 underground artist trying to make a living, but thats no matter... They need more money.. they wouldn't know what to do with it except re-invest it.. but thats not a problem... the problem is that they should have had more...

Am I the only one seeing a problem here.
The more I think about it, the more I see only one solution to all those nagging problem.
We need a revolution!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30426702</id>
	<title>Re:That's insolvency</title>
	<author>jrumney</author>
	<datestamp>1260712800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The money paid for the assets will go towards paying creditors, though creditors are usually ranked so that a lender with a fixed security (e.g. bank loan) get paid first, then it's the employees, and down it goes. The order is broadly as fair as possible in the circumstances (not to say that it's satisfactory to anybody who doesn't get their money, but the money simply isn't there to do so).</p></div></blockquote><p>
Secured creditors are third - after the Government and the accountants and lawyers who handle the winding up.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The money paid for the assets will go towards paying creditors , though creditors are usually ranked so that a lender with a fixed security ( e.g .
bank loan ) get paid first , then it 's the employees , and down it goes .
The order is broadly as fair as possible in the circumstances ( not to say that it 's satisfactory to anybody who does n't get their money , but the money simply is n't there to do so ) .
Secured creditors are third - after the Government and the accountants and lawyers who handle the winding up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The money paid for the assets will go towards paying creditors, though creditors are usually ranked so that a lender with a fixed security (e.g.
bank loan) get paid first, then it's the employees, and down it goes.
The order is broadly as fair as possible in the circumstances (not to say that it's satisfactory to anybody who doesn't get their money, but the money simply isn't there to do so).
Secured creditors are third - after the Government and the accountants and lawyers who handle the winding up.

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422168</id>
	<title>Re:Good indie music?</title>
	<author>icebraining</author>
	<datestamp>1260715140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why does that matter? People bought their music, they should get paid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does that matter ?
People bought their music , they should get paid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does that matter?
People bought their music, they should get paid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422144</id>
	<title>How long until</title>
	<author>Norsefire</author>
	<datestamp>1260714720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>They blame piracy for their predicament?</htmltext>
<tokenext>They blame piracy for their predicament ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They blame piracy for their predicament?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422312</id>
	<title>Re:That's insolvency</title>
	<author>cowboy76Spain</author>
	<datestamp>1260717060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First of all, insolvency is when there is not enough liquid assets (moneys or goods easily converted to money) to cover short term obligations. In this case the most usual measure taken is oversight of the bussiness, often by an administrator apointed by a judge, but to try to continue running the bussiness*. The term when there are not assets (even those that need more term to be sold / cashed in) to cover obligations is bankruptcy, and it is when the remaining assets and distributed amongst creditors.</p><p>In this case, I think MySpace can be in trouble by the fact that they sold and rebought the bussiness in so little time. The charge could be fraudulent bankruptcy; setting a different bussiness from your assets in order to get back the assets while leaving the debts for the spin-off (that later gets bankrupt. If this was a Mafia film, think of bar buying liquor in mass in order to resell it cheaply, because when the time to pay for it comes it has been arsoned.</p><p>Of course I am not telling that MySpace has done that, but someone could try to present this to court and get to have a trial about it.</p><p>Also, if there is proof that some deal has been done in bad faith (for example, for both or one party knowing that the deal will rip off the artists while making the companies win a lot of money, a judge could also declare it void).</p><p>In summary, the bussiness and executives have been trying harmful ways to get money from everyone for a lot of time, and there are already laws in place to try to avoid this (of course they don't always succeed), so it may not be as clear cut as you think it is</p><p>.
</p><p> (*) I am talking of Spanish Civil Law here, YMMV.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First of all , insolvency is when there is not enough liquid assets ( moneys or goods easily converted to money ) to cover short term obligations .
In this case the most usual measure taken is oversight of the bussiness , often by an administrator apointed by a judge , but to try to continue running the bussiness * .
The term when there are not assets ( even those that need more term to be sold / cashed in ) to cover obligations is bankruptcy , and it is when the remaining assets and distributed amongst creditors.In this case , I think MySpace can be in trouble by the fact that they sold and rebought the bussiness in so little time .
The charge could be fraudulent bankruptcy ; setting a different bussiness from your assets in order to get back the assets while leaving the debts for the spin-off ( that later gets bankrupt .
If this was a Mafia film , think of bar buying liquor in mass in order to resell it cheaply , because when the time to pay for it comes it has been arsoned.Of course I am not telling that MySpace has done that , but someone could try to present this to court and get to have a trial about it.Also , if there is proof that some deal has been done in bad faith ( for example , for both or one party knowing that the deal will rip off the artists while making the companies win a lot of money , a judge could also declare it void ) .In summary , the bussiness and executives have been trying harmful ways to get money from everyone for a lot of time , and there are already laws in place to try to avoid this ( of course they do n't always succeed ) , so it may not be as clear cut as you think it is .
( * ) I am talking of Spanish Civil Law here , YMMV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, insolvency is when there is not enough liquid assets (moneys or goods easily converted to money) to cover short term obligations.
In this case the most usual measure taken is oversight of the bussiness, often by an administrator apointed by a judge, but to try to continue running the bussiness*.
The term when there are not assets (even those that need more term to be sold / cashed in) to cover obligations is bankruptcy, and it is when the remaining assets and distributed amongst creditors.In this case, I think MySpace can be in trouble by the fact that they sold and rebought the bussiness in so little time.
The charge could be fraudulent bankruptcy; setting a different bussiness from your assets in order to get back the assets while leaving the debts for the spin-off (that later gets bankrupt.
If this was a Mafia film, think of bar buying liquor in mass in order to resell it cheaply, because when the time to pay for it comes it has been arsoned.Of course I am not telling that MySpace has done that, but someone could try to present this to court and get to have a trial about it.Also, if there is proof that some deal has been done in bad faith (for example, for both or one party knowing that the deal will rip off the artists while making the companies win a lot of money, a judge could also declare it void).In summary, the bussiness and executives have been trying harmful ways to get money from everyone for a lot of time, and there are already laws in place to try to avoid this (of course they don't always succeed), so it may not be as clear cut as you think it is.
(*) I am talking of Spanish Civil Law here, YMMV.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30423862</id>
	<title>Re:Good indie music?</title>
	<author>Alphanos</author>
	<datestamp>1260731880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously guys, anyone blaming MySpace for this isn't grasping what has happened.  This is like if you are going bankrupt, so you hold a yard sale to pay off your debts.  John Doe buys some of your stuff.  In the end you still can't pay all your debts, so the people you haven't paid go after the guy who stopped by your yard sale?  Wait, what?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously guys , anyone blaming MySpace for this is n't grasping what has happened .
This is like if you are going bankrupt , so you hold a yard sale to pay off your debts .
John Doe buys some of your stuff .
In the end you still ca n't pay all your debts , so the people you have n't paid go after the guy who stopped by your yard sale ?
Wait , what ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously guys, anyone blaming MySpace for this isn't grasping what has happened.
This is like if you are going bankrupt, so you hold a yard sale to pay off your debts.
John Doe buys some of your stuff.
In the end you still can't pay all your debts, so the people you haven't paid go after the guy who stopped by your yard sale?
Wait, what?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422810</id>
	<title>Re:That's insolvency</title>
	<author>gabebear</author>
	<datestamp>1260722040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The terms "Bankruptcy" and "Insolvency" aren't very good for general discussion because their meaning varies so greatly.
In the UK, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bankruptcy#United\_Kingdom" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">bankruptcy doesn't apply to corporations</a> [wikipedia.org], and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insolvency" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">insolvency can mean either a cash flow(short term) problem or a balance sheet(business is tits up) problem</a> [wikipedia.org]. Not to mention differences between Chapter-11 bankruptcy(US) and going into administration/receivership.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The terms " Bankruptcy " and " Insolvency " are n't very good for general discussion because their meaning varies so greatly .
In the UK , bankruptcy does n't apply to corporations [ wikipedia.org ] , and insolvency can mean either a cash flow ( short term ) problem or a balance sheet ( business is tits up ) problem [ wikipedia.org ] .
Not to mention differences between Chapter-11 bankruptcy ( US ) and going into administration/receivership .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The terms "Bankruptcy" and "Insolvency" aren't very good for general discussion because their meaning varies so greatly.
In the UK, bankruptcy doesn't apply to corporations [wikipedia.org], and insolvency can mean either a cash flow(short term) problem or a balance sheet(business is tits up) problem [wikipedia.org].
Not to mention differences between Chapter-11 bankruptcy(US) and going into administration/receivership.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30424812</id>
	<title>Best streaming alternative to iMeem?</title>
	<author>ZipK</author>
	<datestamp>1260697020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I found iMeem an invaluable way to quickly check out new releases I'd read about, or catalog releases by artists. Now that it's gone, what's the best commercial alternative? Who has the best library of streamable music for free or a reasonable monthly fee?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I found iMeem an invaluable way to quickly check out new releases I 'd read about , or catalog releases by artists .
Now that it 's gone , what 's the best commercial alternative ?
Who has the best library of streamable music for free or a reasonable monthly fee ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I found iMeem an invaluable way to quickly check out new releases I'd read about, or catalog releases by artists.
Now that it's gone, what's the best commercial alternative?
Who has the best library of streamable music for free or a reasonable monthly fee?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30424222</id>
	<title>Re:Good indie music?</title>
	<author>gemada</author>
	<datestamp>1260735300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"indie" just means that they aren't on one of the 3 or 4 major labels that control 97\% of the music in the world. It has nothing to do with the quality of the music. if you want to see untalented hacks just turn on a top 40 radio station. Most of the quality musicians/bands in the world are on independent labels. See Arts &amp; Crafts (http://www.arts-crafts.ca/artists.php) as an example of talented artists on an indie label.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" indie " just means that they are n't on one of the 3 or 4 major labels that control 97 \ % of the music in the world .
It has nothing to do with the quality of the music .
if you want to see untalented hacks just turn on a top 40 radio station .
Most of the quality musicians/bands in the world are on independent labels .
See Arts &amp; Crafts ( http : //www.arts-crafts.ca/artists.php ) as an example of talented artists on an indie label .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"indie" just means that they aren't on one of the 3 or 4 major labels that control 97\% of the music in the world.
It has nothing to do with the quality of the music.
if you want to see untalented hacks just turn on a top 40 radio station.
Most of the quality musicians/bands in the world are on independent labels.
See Arts &amp; Crafts (http://www.arts-crafts.ca/artists.php) as an example of talented artists on an indie label.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422086</id>
	<title>They're indie artist for a reason.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260713580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They are not very good. And so they should not be paid. Give me the mainstream anyday!</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are not very good .
And so they should not be paid .
Give me the mainstream anyday !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are not very good.
And so they should not be paid.
Give me the mainstream anyday!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422222</id>
	<title>They stole from artists?</title>
	<author>Sooner Boomer</author>
	<datestamp>1260715920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Better get the RIAA after them!  Oh, wait...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Better get the RIAA after them !
Oh , wait.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better get the RIAA after them!
Oh, wait...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30423162</id>
	<title>Re:Good indie music?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260725460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But you are making the same mistake, basing quality on commercial potential. For why that don't work, just come on down here to the south and take a stroll down places like Beale Street in Memphis, or the "musical main" street in LR, AR. Here you will find some really incredible players playing some truly awesome "get yo ass up and let's have some fun" R&amp;B, blues, funk, soul, rockabilly, all truly great stuff. But in all likelihood you will NEVER hear of these guys outside the clubs, and they will never get famous. Why?</p><p>Because those styles of music isn't considered "popular" by the guys that hunt for record labels and the stations they market to. They know how to sell Britney and teen pop idol crap, not good old fashioned Muddy Waters style blues, wall shaking rockabilly and R&amp;B that has such a hard driving beat it'll shake your bones, etc. They don't like it, or get it, so it just won't be marketed. Then there are those that refuse to sign over all rights to everything they'll ever make, which in the business today means they'll never have a contract, because the industry is so tilted in favor of the money men.</p><p>

 So please don't mistake "commercial potential" for quality, because the ones that decide that are the same ones that gave us pop idol crap and mall band pretty boy o' the week. I've got plenty of independent CDs made by guys and gals that if you and your girl saw them on any Saturday night would have you out on the floor laughing and dancing and having a damned good time, but they just don't fit into one of the cookie cutter "popular" molds that the A&amp;R guys only seem to care about. And as far as they are concerned that is fine, because it is about THE MUSIC, not whether they'll get a gold plated bath tub or not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But you are making the same mistake , basing quality on commercial potential .
For why that do n't work , just come on down here to the south and take a stroll down places like Beale Street in Memphis , or the " musical main " street in LR , AR .
Here you will find some really incredible players playing some truly awesome " get yo ass up and let 's have some fun " R&amp;B , blues , funk , soul , rockabilly , all truly great stuff .
But in all likelihood you will NEVER hear of these guys outside the clubs , and they will never get famous .
Why ? Because those styles of music is n't considered " popular " by the guys that hunt for record labels and the stations they market to .
They know how to sell Britney and teen pop idol crap , not good old fashioned Muddy Waters style blues , wall shaking rockabilly and R&amp;B that has such a hard driving beat it 'll shake your bones , etc .
They do n't like it , or get it , so it just wo n't be marketed .
Then there are those that refuse to sign over all rights to everything they 'll ever make , which in the business today means they 'll never have a contract , because the industry is so tilted in favor of the money men .
So please do n't mistake " commercial potential " for quality , because the ones that decide that are the same ones that gave us pop idol crap and mall band pretty boy o ' the week .
I 've got plenty of independent CDs made by guys and gals that if you and your girl saw them on any Saturday night would have you out on the floor laughing and dancing and having a damned good time , but they just do n't fit into one of the cookie cutter " popular " molds that the A&amp;R guys only seem to care about .
And as far as they are concerned that is fine , because it is about THE MUSIC , not whether they 'll get a gold plated bath tub or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But you are making the same mistake, basing quality on commercial potential.
For why that don't work, just come on down here to the south and take a stroll down places like Beale Street in Memphis, or the "musical main" street in LR, AR.
Here you will find some really incredible players playing some truly awesome "get yo ass up and let's have some fun" R&amp;B, blues, funk, soul, rockabilly, all truly great stuff.
But in all likelihood you will NEVER hear of these guys outside the clubs, and they will never get famous.
Why?Because those styles of music isn't considered "popular" by the guys that hunt for record labels and the stations they market to.
They know how to sell Britney and teen pop idol crap, not good old fashioned Muddy Waters style blues, wall shaking rockabilly and R&amp;B that has such a hard driving beat it'll shake your bones, etc.
They don't like it, or get it, so it just won't be marketed.
Then there are those that refuse to sign over all rights to everything they'll ever make, which in the business today means they'll never have a contract, because the industry is so tilted in favor of the money men.
So please don't mistake "commercial potential" for quality, because the ones that decide that are the same ones that gave us pop idol crap and mall band pretty boy o' the week.
I've got plenty of independent CDs made by guys and gals that if you and your girl saw them on any Saturday night would have you out on the floor laughing and dancing and having a damned good time, but they just don't fit into one of the cookie cutter "popular" molds that the A&amp;R guys only seem to care about.
And as far as they are concerned that is fine, because it is about THE MUSIC, not whether they'll get a gold plated bath tub or not.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422358</id>
	<title>Perspective of a Poor Starving Indie Dude</title>
	<author>LtCol Burrito</author>
	<datestamp>1260717480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>OK, so I'm an "indie" artist, and I have a ton of friends who are indie artists as well.  We actually just got signed to a minor record label after years of trying to sell our CDs at gigs, carshows, and chick-fil-a grand opentings, etc.  Fortunately, we used iTunes to sell our music instead of imeem.  I have to tell you that at<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.99$ a tune we weren't making a whole lot of $$. In fact, all of my indie friends mentioned above pretty much have full time jobs to pay the bills - the music thing for most of us is something we do just because we love to play.  <br> <br>The point is that I would guess that the imeem accounts are probably just micropayments - maybe in the range of 5-20$.  I wouldn't expect any laywer to go after this kind of chump change, not even for a class action suit.  I think us poor starving musician types will just have to suck it up as usual while we get hassled by the man.</htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , so I 'm an " indie " artist , and I have a ton of friends who are indie artists as well .
We actually just got signed to a minor record label after years of trying to sell our CDs at gigs , carshows , and chick-fil-a grand opentings , etc .
Fortunately , we used iTunes to sell our music instead of imeem .
I have to tell you that at .99 $ a tune we were n't making a whole lot of $ $ .
In fact , all of my indie friends mentioned above pretty much have full time jobs to pay the bills - the music thing for most of us is something we do just because we love to play .
The point is that I would guess that the imeem accounts are probably just micropayments - maybe in the range of 5-20 $ .
I would n't expect any laywer to go after this kind of chump change , not even for a class action suit .
I think us poor starving musician types will just have to suck it up as usual while we get hassled by the man .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, so I'm an "indie" artist, and I have a ton of friends who are indie artists as well.
We actually just got signed to a minor record label after years of trying to sell our CDs at gigs, carshows, and chick-fil-a grand opentings, etc.
Fortunately, we used iTunes to sell our music instead of imeem.
I have to tell you that at .99$ a tune we weren't making a whole lot of $$.
In fact, all of my indie friends mentioned above pretty much have full time jobs to pay the bills - the music thing for most of us is something we do just because we love to play.
The point is that I would guess that the imeem accounts are probably just micropayments - maybe in the range of 5-20$.
I wouldn't expect any laywer to go after this kind of chump change, not even for a class action suit.
I think us poor starving musician types will just have to suck it up as usual while we get hassled by the man.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422152</id>
	<title>In my home country...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260714900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...that is, France, I believe this kind of scam is downright illegal, and specialized courts that deal with commerce do frown upon selling assets and leaving the debt to a straw company. They are usually declared de facto bound to one another and treated as one entity. But then again, IANAL. Sounds reasonable though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...that is , France , I believe this kind of scam is downright illegal , and specialized courts that deal with commerce do frown upon selling assets and leaving the debt to a straw company .
They are usually declared de facto bound to one another and treated as one entity .
But then again , IANAL .
Sounds reasonable though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...that is, France, I believe this kind of scam is downright illegal, and specialized courts that deal with commerce do frown upon selling assets and leaving the debt to a straw company.
They are usually declared de facto bound to one another and treated as one entity.
But then again, IANAL.
Sounds reasonable though.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422702</id>
	<title>Isn't this what this is?</title>
	<author>schon</author>
	<datestamp>1260721140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Canadian government's copyright board says piracy <a href="http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/crp-prda.nsf/eng/rp00842.html#a\_1\_4" title="ic.gc.ca">"involves commercial-scale operations and a profit motive"</a> [ic.gc.ca] - isn't that what this is?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Canadian government 's copyright board says piracy " involves commercial-scale operations and a profit motive " [ ic.gc.ca ] - is n't that what this is ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Canadian government's copyright board says piracy "involves commercial-scale operations and a profit motive" [ic.gc.ca] - isn't that what this is?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422334</id>
	<title>Re:How long until</title>
	<author>PopeRatzo</author>
	<datestamp>1260717180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>They blame piracy for their predicament?</p></div></blockquote><p>If they haven't yet, they will.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They blame piracy for their predicament ? If they have n't yet , they will .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They blame piracy for their predicament?If they haven't yet, they will.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422606</id>
	<title>wtf is an  "imeem"?</title>
	<author>TropicalCoder</author>
	<datestamp>1260720060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What in the hell is an "imeem"? Is it the feminine form of "imam"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What in the hell is an " imeem " ?
Is it the feminine form of " imam " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What in the hell is an "imeem"?
Is it the feminine form of "imam"?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422114</id>
	<title>Dupe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260714120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've read this exact same comment before.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've read this exact same comment before .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've read this exact same comment before.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30423092</id>
	<title>Re:That's insolvency -- Error detected</title>
	<author>cowboy76Spain</author>
	<datestamp>1260724980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Revisited: In answer to DaveGod post, I revised TFA and TFS and, indeed, the fact that Myspace had previously owned Imeem is not present there and was an error on my side. Please ignore that from my original post (second and third paragraphs).</p><p>Apart from that, I mantain the rest of the post.</p><p>Sorry for the inconvenience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Revisited : In answer to DaveGod post , I revised TFA and TFS and , indeed , the fact that Myspace had previously owned Imeem is not present there and was an error on my side .
Please ignore that from my original post ( second and third paragraphs ) .Apart from that , I mantain the rest of the post.Sorry for the inconvenience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Revisited: In answer to DaveGod post, I revised TFA and TFS and, indeed, the fact that Myspace had previously owned Imeem is not present there and was an error on my side.
Please ignore that from my original post (second and third paragraphs).Apart from that, I mantain the rest of the post.Sorry for the inconvenience.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30423860</id>
	<title>Re:Good indie music?</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1260731820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No they shouldn't.</p><p>Not unless we want to change bankruptcy law.</p><p>The indie artists probably don't even have the right to collect anymore since they apparently forbore nonpayment for a very long time without raising a fuss.</p><p>They let imeem slither on without paying and should have taken imeem to court for contract breach.  They didn't, sucks to be them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No they should n't.Not unless we want to change bankruptcy law.The indie artists probably do n't even have the right to collect anymore since they apparently forbore nonpayment for a very long time without raising a fuss.They let imeem slither on without paying and should have taken imeem to court for contract breach .
They did n't , sucks to be them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No they shouldn't.Not unless we want to change bankruptcy law.The indie artists probably don't even have the right to collect anymore since they apparently forbore nonpayment for a very long time without raising a fuss.They let imeem slither on without paying and should have taken imeem to court for contract breach.
They didn't, sucks to be them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30425248</id>
	<title>Quick, someone tell Rupert Murdoch</title>
	<author>metamatic</author>
	<datestamp>1260700080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Given Rupert Murdoch's recent comments about copyright thieves stealing content, I'm sure the owner of MySpace will act quickly to ensure that these musicians get the royalties they are owed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given Rupert Murdoch 's recent comments about copyright thieves stealing content , I 'm sure the owner of MySpace will act quickly to ensure that these musicians get the royalties they are owed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given Rupert Murdoch's recent comments about copyright thieves stealing content, I'm sure the owner of MySpace will act quickly to ensure that these musicians get the royalties they are owed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422300</id>
	<title>Re:That's insolvency</title>
	<author>PopeRatzo</author>
	<datestamp>1260716760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The order is broadly as fair as possible in the circumstances (not to say that it's satisfactory to anybody who doesn't get their money, but the money simply isn't there to do so).</p></div></blockquote><p>Do you doubt that the legal fees involved in the sale of imeem to myspace was much greater than the amount owed to the artists?  I bet there was "there" to pay the lawyers, right?  But the people who actually made the products that were sold?  No money for them.</p><p>Remember, the people who bought the music from imeem <i>paid for it</i>.  Imeem <i>got that money</i>.</p><p>If the artists were the ones breaking the contract, you can bet imeem and/or myspace and newscorp wouldn't stop until they were completely ruined.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The order is broadly as fair as possible in the circumstances ( not to say that it 's satisfactory to anybody who does n't get their money , but the money simply is n't there to do so ) .Do you doubt that the legal fees involved in the sale of imeem to myspace was much greater than the amount owed to the artists ?
I bet there was " there " to pay the lawyers , right ?
But the people who actually made the products that were sold ?
No money for them.Remember , the people who bought the music from imeem paid for it .
Imeem got that money.If the artists were the ones breaking the contract , you can bet imeem and/or myspace and newscorp would n't stop until they were completely ruined .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The order is broadly as fair as possible in the circumstances (not to say that it's satisfactory to anybody who doesn't get their money, but the money simply isn't there to do so).Do you doubt that the legal fees involved in the sale of imeem to myspace was much greater than the amount owed to the artists?
I bet there was "there" to pay the lawyers, right?
But the people who actually made the products that were sold?
No money for them.Remember, the people who bought the music from imeem paid for it.
Imeem got that money.If the artists were the ones breaking the contract, you can bet imeem and/or myspace and newscorp wouldn't stop until they were completely ruined.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422478</id>
	<title>Re:Good indie music?</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1260718800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>That misses the point though.  Nobody ever said "indie" meant "good".  You're a "real" indie if you're not with a major label.  The quality of your work is irrelevant to both your status as "indie" and whether or not you've earned the money you're owed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That misses the point though .
Nobody ever said " indie " meant " good " .
You 're a " real " indie if you 're not with a major label .
The quality of your work is irrelevant to both your status as " indie " and whether or not you 've earned the money you 're owed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That misses the point though.
Nobody ever said "indie" meant "good".
You're a "real" indie if you're not with a major label.
The quality of your work is irrelevant to both your status as "indie" and whether or not you've earned the money you're owed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422576</id>
	<title>Re:Good indie music?</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1260719760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You seem to be suggesting that the major labels promote real talent.  I would have to differ with you.  Have you really LISTENED to those rappers, or Britney, or - any of them?  Absolute shit.  My kid doesn't know squat about music, but I'd rather listen to him strum on his guitar than the tortured sounds that most CD's force through the kid's speakers.  You would have to smoke something, or shoot something up, to enjoy most of the "music" being pawned on America today.  Rap - a - rappa - rap - rap - rappa!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You seem to be suggesting that the major labels promote real talent .
I would have to differ with you .
Have you really LISTENED to those rappers , or Britney , or - any of them ?
Absolute shit .
My kid does n't know squat about music , but I 'd rather listen to him strum on his guitar than the tortured sounds that most CD 's force through the kid 's speakers .
You would have to smoke something , or shoot something up , to enjoy most of the " music " being pawned on America today .
Rap - a - rappa - rap - rap - rappa !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You seem to be suggesting that the major labels promote real talent.
I would have to differ with you.
Have you really LISTENED to those rappers, or Britney, or - any of them?
Absolute shit.
My kid doesn't know squat about music, but I'd rather listen to him strum on his guitar than the tortured sounds that most CD's force through the kid's speakers.
You would have to smoke something, or shoot something up, to enjoy most of the "music" being pawned on America today.
Rap - a - rappa - rap - rap - rappa!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30424356</id>
	<title>Re:That's insolvency</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1260736500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext> In most states, if Company A acquires most of the assets of Company B (what percentage depends on the specifics of the situation), Company A is liable for the debts of Company B.  If Imeem was in bankruptcy this law would not apply, but I haven't seen any mention of bankruptcy in any of the stories.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In most states , if Company A acquires most of the assets of Company B ( what percentage depends on the specifics of the situation ) , Company A is liable for the debts of Company B. If Imeem was in bankruptcy this law would not apply , but I have n't seen any mention of bankruptcy in any of the stories .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> In most states, if Company A acquires most of the assets of Company B (what percentage depends on the specifics of the situation), Company A is liable for the debts of Company B.  If Imeem was in bankruptcy this law would not apply, but I haven't seen any mention of bankruptcy in any of the stories.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422138</id>
	<title>That's insolvency</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260714660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is what happens in insolvency. There isn't enough money to pay debts. Occasionally the entire business will be worth enough to someone that they will be willing to take on the liabilities, but most of the time there is no option but to sell off whatever does have some value as assets. Myspace didn't buy imeem, they bought some of their assets.</p><p>The money paid for the assets will go towards paying creditors, though creditors are usually ranked so that a lender with a fixed security (e.g. bank loan) get paid first, then it's the employees, and down it goes. The order is broadly as fair as possible in the circumstances (not to say that it's satisfactory to anybody who doesn't get their money, but the money simply isn't there to do so).</p><blockquote><div><p>There&rsquo;s nothing technically wrong with MySpace Music only acquiring certain assets from imeem</p></div></blockquote><p>Nor is there anything morally wrong with it. The fault it wholly with imeem. It failed, it could not pay it's debts. To imply Myspace is at fault here is completely false since their offer was the one that returns the most money to imeem's creditors - it makes more (but still not much) sense to say every single other entity on the planet is more at fault than Myspace, because none of them made a better offer.</p><p>(Not that I like MySpace, and certainly not Newscorp, but that's just how it is)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is what happens in insolvency .
There is n't enough money to pay debts .
Occasionally the entire business will be worth enough to someone that they will be willing to take on the liabilities , but most of the time there is no option but to sell off whatever does have some value as assets .
Myspace did n't buy imeem , they bought some of their assets.The money paid for the assets will go towards paying creditors , though creditors are usually ranked so that a lender with a fixed security ( e.g .
bank loan ) get paid first , then it 's the employees , and down it goes .
The order is broadly as fair as possible in the circumstances ( not to say that it 's satisfactory to anybody who does n't get their money , but the money simply is n't there to do so ) .There    s nothing technically wrong with MySpace Music only acquiring certain assets from imeemNor is there anything morally wrong with it .
The fault it wholly with imeem .
It failed , it could not pay it 's debts .
To imply Myspace is at fault here is completely false since their offer was the one that returns the most money to imeem 's creditors - it makes more ( but still not much ) sense to say every single other entity on the planet is more at fault than Myspace , because none of them made a better offer .
( Not that I like MySpace , and certainly not Newscorp , but that 's just how it is )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is what happens in insolvency.
There isn't enough money to pay debts.
Occasionally the entire business will be worth enough to someone that they will be willing to take on the liabilities, but most of the time there is no option but to sell off whatever does have some value as assets.
Myspace didn't buy imeem, they bought some of their assets.The money paid for the assets will go towards paying creditors, though creditors are usually ranked so that a lender with a fixed security (e.g.
bank loan) get paid first, then it's the employees, and down it goes.
The order is broadly as fair as possible in the circumstances (not to say that it's satisfactory to anybody who doesn't get their money, but the money simply isn't there to do so).There’s nothing technically wrong with MySpace Music only acquiring certain assets from imeemNor is there anything morally wrong with it.
The fault it wholly with imeem.
It failed, it could not pay it's debts.
To imply Myspace is at fault here is completely false since their offer was the one that returns the most money to imeem's creditors - it makes more (but still not much) sense to say every single other entity on the planet is more at fault than Myspace, because none of them made a better offer.
(Not that I like MySpace, and certainly not Newscorp, but that's just how it is)
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422150</id>
	<title>Cue up the Lawyers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260714900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been through asset both buying and selling. It will be hard for MySpace to pull this off as the courts may not see the sale as a pure asset sale.  It's one thing when you sell buildings and plant equipment. It's quite another when you sell the essence of the business: the brand, key employees and the customers and vendor relationships (musicians).  Unfortunately, because this likely will be  a class action, the musicians will be screwed a second time when the lawyers swoop in and get 40-60\% of the settlement.</p><p>Time to cue up "That old class action" by Dewey, Cheatham &amp; Howe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been through asset both buying and selling .
It will be hard for MySpace to pull this off as the courts may not see the sale as a pure asset sale .
It 's one thing when you sell buildings and plant equipment .
It 's quite another when you sell the essence of the business : the brand , key employees and the customers and vendor relationships ( musicians ) .
Unfortunately , because this likely will be a class action , the musicians will be screwed a second time when the lawyers swoop in and get 40-60 \ % of the settlement.Time to cue up " That old class action " by Dewey , Cheatham &amp; Howe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been through asset both buying and selling.
It will be hard for MySpace to pull this off as the courts may not see the sale as a pure asset sale.
It's one thing when you sell buildings and plant equipment.
It's quite another when you sell the essence of the business: the brand, key employees and the customers and vendor relationships (musicians).
Unfortunately, because this likely will be  a class action, the musicians will be screwed a second time when the lawyers swoop in and get 40-60\% of the settlement.Time to cue up "That old class action" by Dewey, Cheatham &amp; Howe.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30429558</id>
	<title>Re:Myspace is fast losing relevance</title>
	<author>vegiVamp</author>
	<datestamp>1260792900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What, does the first post in any Myspace/Imeem story automatically get changed to this line ?<br><br>http://entertainment.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1471822&amp;cid=30374768</htmltext>
<tokenext>What , does the first post in any Myspace/Imeem story automatically get changed to this line ? http : //entertainment.slashdot.org/comments.pl ? sid = 1471822&amp;cid = 30374768</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What, does the first post in any Myspace/Imeem story automatically get changed to this line ?http://entertainment.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1471822&amp;cid=30374768</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422332</id>
	<title>Re:That's insolvency</title>
	<author>tompaulco</author>
	<datestamp>1260717180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But whatever funds were used to purchase Imeem don't just get to sit in the pocket of the owners of the company. All of that money is supposed to be used to pay down whatever debts there may be. I'm not sure where the musicians sit in the rank of debts to pay down, but hopefully they rank higher than the shareholders, which as someone pointed out below, rank pretty much dead last.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But whatever funds were used to purchase Imeem do n't just get to sit in the pocket of the owners of the company .
All of that money is supposed to be used to pay down whatever debts there may be .
I 'm not sure where the musicians sit in the rank of debts to pay down , but hopefully they rank higher than the shareholders , which as someone pointed out below , rank pretty much dead last .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But whatever funds were used to purchase Imeem don't just get to sit in the pocket of the owners of the company.
All of that money is supposed to be used to pay down whatever debts there may be.
I'm not sure where the musicians sit in the rank of debts to pay down, but hopefully they rank higher than the shareholders, which as someone pointed out below, rank pretty much dead last.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422346</id>
	<title>Imeem Now Has Money to Pay Artists</title>
	<author>Doc Ruby</author>
	<datestamp>1260717420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Imeem might have gotten away with not paying artists for a year because it didn't have the money to pay. Even if the artists sued Imeem, there was no money in Imeem to get.</p><p>But now Imeem has money from the MySpace deal. The artists should get it. A single lawsuit should be an open and shut case.</p><p>But what Imeem got is said to be "less than $1M", whatever that is. If there's 110,000 unpaid artists, that's under $9 to pay each artist. The best way to use the money taken from Imeem would be to pay to set up other storefronts. Perhaps pay an ecommerce corp to create top-notch MySpace storefronts and promote them on TV/radio/streams/email and social networks.</p><p>MySpace has done nothing wrong, has only given some money in a legit purchase of assets from the bad guy that could reboot the artists' businesses. Imeem did wrong, but Imeem turned out to be unable to generate enough money to pay the artists anyway: a failed attempt by the artists to sell, because they bet on Imeem, the wrong horse.</p><p>But this could be turned around. However, it's the music business. Therefore I expect it will only get worse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Imeem might have gotten away with not paying artists for a year because it did n't have the money to pay .
Even if the artists sued Imeem , there was no money in Imeem to get.But now Imeem has money from the MySpace deal .
The artists should get it .
A single lawsuit should be an open and shut case.But what Imeem got is said to be " less than $ 1M " , whatever that is .
If there 's 110,000 unpaid artists , that 's under $ 9 to pay each artist .
The best way to use the money taken from Imeem would be to pay to set up other storefronts .
Perhaps pay an ecommerce corp to create top-notch MySpace storefronts and promote them on TV/radio/streams/email and social networks.MySpace has done nothing wrong , has only given some money in a legit purchase of assets from the bad guy that could reboot the artists ' businesses .
Imeem did wrong , but Imeem turned out to be unable to generate enough money to pay the artists anyway : a failed attempt by the artists to sell , because they bet on Imeem , the wrong horse.But this could be turned around .
However , it 's the music business .
Therefore I expect it will only get worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Imeem might have gotten away with not paying artists for a year because it didn't have the money to pay.
Even if the artists sued Imeem, there was no money in Imeem to get.But now Imeem has money from the MySpace deal.
The artists should get it.
A single lawsuit should be an open and shut case.But what Imeem got is said to be "less than $1M", whatever that is.
If there's 110,000 unpaid artists, that's under $9 to pay each artist.
The best way to use the money taken from Imeem would be to pay to set up other storefronts.
Perhaps pay an ecommerce corp to create top-notch MySpace storefronts and promote them on TV/radio/streams/email and social networks.MySpace has done nothing wrong, has only given some money in a legit purchase of assets from the bad guy that could reboot the artists' businesses.
Imeem did wrong, but Imeem turned out to be unable to generate enough money to pay the artists anyway: a failed attempt by the artists to sell, because they bet on Imeem, the wrong horse.But this could be turned around.
However, it's the music business.
Therefore I expect it will only get worse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30433076</id>
	<title>Plan?  Plan? What plan?</title>
	<author>bonze</author>
	<datestamp>1260815640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's an email I sent to my bro back in March:</p><p>I've been trying to decipher the SNOCAP contract...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... it's pretty abysmal in quality:</p><p>"All The Other Things A Contract Need To Have.</p><p>Modification: we reserve the right to change all or part of this Agreement. Notice of any such changes will be provided through the Enabling Interface or in the manner detailed in Paragraph 7(h). It is your responsibility to check the Enabling Interface for any notices of modifications to this Agreement. If you do not consent to any such proposed changes your sole recourse will be to terminate this Agreement by written notice to us, and your failure to do so within ten (10) days of the date of any such change notice in the Enabling Interface will constitute your acceptance of such changes."</p><p>Of course the paragraphs aren't numbered, so what the hell is Paragraph 7(h)?  They aren't obligated to notify you of contract changes via email:  you're supposed to check "the Enabling Interface" to make sure nothing's changed, like something on the order of "All Your Digital Masters Are Belong To Us!", and failure to terminate the agreement which ten (10!) days of "notice" will "constitute  your acceptance of such changes."  NB:  they require "written notice", which I don't think includes email.</p><p>Equally baffling, their application form  requests either 1) a credit card or 2) the last 4 digits of your SSN along with an Experian credit check to "verify" your identity.  How the hell can they make payments without a FULL SSN or TID?  ???</p><p>I think this is an organization sadly lacking in competent legal advice...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's an email I sent to my bro back in March : I 've been trying to decipher the SNOCAP contract... ... it 's pretty abysmal in quality : " All The Other Things A Contract Need To Have.Modification : we reserve the right to change all or part of this Agreement .
Notice of any such changes will be provided through the Enabling Interface or in the manner detailed in Paragraph 7 ( h ) .
It is your responsibility to check the Enabling Interface for any notices of modifications to this Agreement .
If you do not consent to any such proposed changes your sole recourse will be to terminate this Agreement by written notice to us , and your failure to do so within ten ( 10 ) days of the date of any such change notice in the Enabling Interface will constitute your acceptance of such changes .
" Of course the paragraphs are n't numbered , so what the hell is Paragraph 7 ( h ) ?
They are n't obligated to notify you of contract changes via email : you 're supposed to check " the Enabling Interface " to make sure nothing 's changed , like something on the order of " All Your Digital Masters Are Belong To Us !
" , and failure to terminate the agreement which ten ( 10 !
) days of " notice " will " constitute your acceptance of such changes .
" NB : they require " written notice " , which I do n't think includes email.Equally baffling , their application form requests either 1 ) a credit card or 2 ) the last 4 digits of your SSN along with an Experian credit check to " verify " your identity .
How the hell can they make payments without a FULL SSN or TID ?
? ? ? I think this is an organization sadly lacking in competent legal advice.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's an email I sent to my bro back in March:I've been trying to decipher the SNOCAP contract... ... it's pretty abysmal in quality:"All The Other Things A Contract Need To Have.Modification: we reserve the right to change all or part of this Agreement.
Notice of any such changes will be provided through the Enabling Interface or in the manner detailed in Paragraph 7(h).
It is your responsibility to check the Enabling Interface for any notices of modifications to this Agreement.
If you do not consent to any such proposed changes your sole recourse will be to terminate this Agreement by written notice to us, and your failure to do so within ten (10) days of the date of any such change notice in the Enabling Interface will constitute your acceptance of such changes.
"Of course the paragraphs aren't numbered, so what the hell is Paragraph 7(h)?
They aren't obligated to notify you of contract changes via email:  you're supposed to check "the Enabling Interface" to make sure nothing's changed, like something on the order of "All Your Digital Masters Are Belong To Us!
", and failure to terminate the agreement which ten (10!
) days of "notice" will "constitute  your acceptance of such changes.
"  NB:  they require "written notice", which I don't think includes email.Equally baffling, their application form  requests either 1) a credit card or 2) the last 4 digits of your SSN along with an Experian credit check to "verify" your identity.
How the hell can they make payments without a FULL SSN or TID?
???I think this is an organization sadly lacking in competent legal advice...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422258</id>
	<title>Re:Good indie music?</title>
	<author>PopeRatzo</author>
	<datestamp>1260716280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Why does that matter? People bought their music, they should get paid.</p></div></blockquote><p>I know, right?</p><p>More importantly, people not only bought their music, but they paid imeem for it, which basically just kept the money instead of honoring their contract with the artists.</p><p>In the sale of imeem to myspace, you can bet the lawyers got paid, and the guys from imeem got theirs.  MySpace should honor every one of those contracts instead of just writing them off as "bad" debt.</p><p>You can bet that if it was the artists who were the ones breaking the contract with imeem or myspace, lawyers would be crawling up their asses with wire brushes.</p><p>This is why I hate to do business with anyone that I can't actually go put my hands on if need be.  I do it of course, but I hate it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does that matter ?
People bought their music , they should get paid.I know , right ? More importantly , people not only bought their music , but they paid imeem for it , which basically just kept the money instead of honoring their contract with the artists.In the sale of imeem to myspace , you can bet the lawyers got paid , and the guys from imeem got theirs .
MySpace should honor every one of those contracts instead of just writing them off as " bad " debt.You can bet that if it was the artists who were the ones breaking the contract with imeem or myspace , lawyers would be crawling up their asses with wire brushes.This is why I hate to do business with anyone that I ca n't actually go put my hands on if need be .
I do it of course , but I hate it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does that matter?
People bought their music, they should get paid.I know, right?More importantly, people not only bought their music, but they paid imeem for it, which basically just kept the money instead of honoring their contract with the artists.In the sale of imeem to myspace, you can bet the lawyers got paid, and the guys from imeem got theirs.
MySpace should honor every one of those contracts instead of just writing them off as "bad" debt.You can bet that if it was the artists who were the ones breaking the contract with imeem or myspace, lawyers would be crawling up their asses with wire brushes.This is why I hate to do business with anyone that I can't actually go put my hands on if need be.
I do it of course, but I hate it.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422302</id>
	<title>Re:Meet the new boss</title>
	<author>freedumb2000</author>
	<datestamp>1260716880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think it is time for a community run, non-profit clearinghouse and distribution channel with transparent accounting for these artitsts to publish and distribute their music through. These artistic commodities do not belong being controlled by a single commercial entity.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it is time for a community run , non-profit clearinghouse and distribution channel with transparent accounting for these artitsts to publish and distribute their music through .
These artistic commodities do not belong being controlled by a single commercial entity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it is time for a community run, non-profit clearinghouse and distribution channel with transparent accounting for these artitsts to publish and distribute their music through.
These artistic commodities do not belong being controlled by a single commercial entity.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422082</id>
	<title>Myspace is fast losing relevance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260713580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The combination of crappy layouts, shoddy design, counter-intuitive interface, and juvenile audience are all working together to render Myspace irrelevant. I just checked my myspace page, apparently for the first time since May of this year.

Nothing's changed...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The combination of crappy layouts , shoddy design , counter-intuitive interface , and juvenile audience are all working together to render Myspace irrelevant .
I just checked my myspace page , apparently for the first time since May of this year .
Nothing 's changed.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The combination of crappy layouts, shoddy design, counter-intuitive interface, and juvenile audience are all working together to render Myspace irrelevant.
I just checked my myspace page, apparently for the first time since May of this year.
Nothing's changed...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30425026</id>
	<title>Re:Perspective of a Poor Starving Indie Dude</title>
	<author>DaveV1.0</author>
	<datestamp>1260698520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>See, that can't be right because <b>everyone</b> knows that artists make all their money from touring and selling merchandise and it is the RIAA and the labels that get all the money from CD sales. That is why it is evil for the RIAA to go after people who share CD tracks. See, none of that money would have gone to the artists anyway, so no one should have to pay for the CD sales.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/sarcasm</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>See , that ca n't be right because everyone knows that artists make all their money from touring and selling merchandise and it is the RIAA and the labels that get all the money from CD sales .
That is why it is evil for the RIAA to go after people who share CD tracks .
See , none of that money would have gone to the artists anyway , so no one should have to pay for the CD sales .
/sarcasm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See, that can't be right because everyone knows that artists make all their money from touring and selling merchandise and it is the RIAA and the labels that get all the money from CD sales.
That is why it is evil for the RIAA to go after people who share CD tracks.
See, none of that money would have gone to the artists anyway, so no one should have to pay for the CD sales.
/sarcasm</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30423772</id>
	<title>ok all i see are trigger happy comments here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260731100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>legal talk, blah blah blah.     there are really that many indy artists that AREN'T on myspace?  anyone checkout myspace.com/imeem ?  i believe in consolidation but not straight communism.  and i sure do miss my imeem account.  =[</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>legal talk , blah blah blah .
there are really that many indy artists that ARE N'T on myspace ?
anyone checkout myspace.com/imeem ?
i believe in consolidation but not straight communism .
and i sure do miss my imeem account .
= [</tokentext>
<sentencetext>legal talk, blah blah blah.
there are really that many indy artists that AREN'T on myspace?
anyone checkout myspace.com/imeem ?
i believe in consolidation but not straight communism.
and i sure do miss my imeem account.
=[</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30422186</id>
	<title>Re:Class Action</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260715320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>paid != payed</htmltext>
<tokenext>paid ! = payed</tokentext>
<sentencetext>paid != payed</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_2324257.30424588</id>
	<title>Re:That's insolvency</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260695160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly. This is what happened when the computer book publisher glasshaus (Wrox, Friends Of Ed) went down. They pulled the classy stunt of locking the door on the quarterly payday just to maximize what they owed authors and give the authors minimum forewarning on paying their own bills. And the authors never got a dime after -- the "artists", the term RIAA etc like to fling around to mean the musicians and writers, always get paid last. Which means never in any sort of meltdown. That's how publishing is structured, and why it's total bullshit when these outfits claim they are protecting artists' rights.</p><p>(Posting AC because I still have a couple of active contracts, and if you look at any contract you'll see the author can never say anything mean or simply less than positive about publishers or the work. And legal threats aside, it's alway my-dog-ate-it tooth-pulling to find out where the late cheque is every quarter. I don't care to make that more work than it already is.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
This is what happened when the computer book publisher glasshaus ( Wrox , Friends Of Ed ) went down .
They pulled the classy stunt of locking the door on the quarterly payday just to maximize what they owed authors and give the authors minimum forewarning on paying their own bills .
And the authors never got a dime after -- the " artists " , the term RIAA etc like to fling around to mean the musicians and writers , always get paid last .
Which means never in any sort of meltdown .
That 's how publishing is structured , and why it 's total bullshit when these outfits claim they are protecting artists ' rights .
( Posting AC because I still have a couple of active contracts , and if you look at any contract you 'll see the author can never say anything mean or simply less than positive about publishers or the work .
And legal threats aside , it 's alway my-dog-ate-it tooth-pulling to find out where the late cheque is every quarter .
I do n't care to make that more work than it already is .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
This is what happened when the computer book publisher glasshaus (Wrox, Friends Of Ed) went down.
They pulled the classy stunt of locking the door on the quarterly payday just to maximize what they owed authors and give the authors minimum forewarning on paying their own bills.
And the authors never got a dime after -- the "artists", the term RIAA etc like to fling around to mean the musicians and writers, always get paid last.
Which means never in any sort of meltdown.
That's how publishing is structured, and why it's total bullshit when these outfits claim they are protecting artists' rights.
(Posting AC because I still have a couple of active contracts, and if you look at any contract you'll see the author can never say anything mean or simply less than positive about publishers or the work.
And legal threats aside, it's alway my-dog-ate-it tooth-pulling to find out where the late cheque is every quarter.
I don't care to make that more work than it already is.
)</sentencetext>
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