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	<title>Open Source Hardware Projects, 2009</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1260614400000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>ptorrone writes <i>"MAKE's yearly <a href="http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/12/open\_source\_hardware\_2009\_-\_the\_def.html">open source hardware guide</a> is now online with over 125 projects in 19 categories. The creators of all of these projects have decided to publish completely all the source, schematics, firmware, software, bill of materials, parts list, drawings, and 'board' files to recreate the hardware. They also allow any use, including commercial. In other words, you can make a business making and selling any of these objects. This is similar to open source software like Linux, but hardware-centric."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>ptorrone writes " MAKE 's yearly open source hardware guide is now online with over 125 projects in 19 categories .
The creators of all of these projects have decided to publish completely all the source , schematics , firmware , software , bill of materials , parts list , drawings , and 'board ' files to recreate the hardware .
They also allow any use , including commercial .
In other words , you can make a business making and selling any of these objects .
This is similar to open source software like Linux , but hardware-centric .
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<sentencetext>ptorrone writes "MAKE's yearly open source hardware guide is now online with over 125 projects in 19 categories.
The creators of all of these projects have decided to publish completely all the source, schematics, firmware, software, bill of materials, parts list, drawings, and 'board' files to recreate the hardware.
They also allow any use, including commercial.
In other words, you can make a business making and selling any of these objects.
This is similar to open source software like Linux, but hardware-centric.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418566</id>
	<title>Re:"Culture Jamming" = Tools for Sociopaths</title>
	<author>moonbender</author>
	<datestamp>1260624000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Long distance TV turner-offer is the opposite of sociopathy. RF jamming has a lot of interesting and enlightening uses; it's also apparently a super-advanced project. The Area Effect Sickness thing is sociopathic, unsurprisingly considering it's modeled after a device engineered for crowd control by the government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Long distance TV turner-offer is the opposite of sociopathy .
RF jamming has a lot of interesting and enlightening uses ; it 's also apparently a super-advanced project .
The Area Effect Sickness thing is sociopathic , unsurprisingly considering it 's modeled after a device engineered for crowd control by the government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Long distance TV turner-offer is the opposite of sociopathy.
RF jamming has a lot of interesting and enlightening uses; it's also apparently a super-advanced project.
The Area Effect Sickness thing is sociopathic, unsurprisingly considering it's modeled after a device engineered for crowd control by the government.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30422192</id>
	<title>Re:is this also an example of open source?</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1260715320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What makes it "Open Source" is <em>giving away the plans</em>, because "Open" means "interoperable" and "Open Source" means <em>you can get the source</em>, <strong>period, the end</strong>. Bruce Perens and the OSI would like you to believe it means something else, but it had an established meaning before Mr. Perens even claims to have coined the term.</p><p>Your airplane design is "Free" if you permit redistribution of [un]modified plans for any purpose. But even those plans in popular mechanics were Open Source &mdash; and you can <em>still</em> get access to those plans for a nominal copying fee, I might add.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What makes it " Open Source " is giving away the plans , because " Open " means " interoperable " and " Open Source " means you can get the source , period , the end .
Bruce Perens and the OSI would like you to believe it means something else , but it had an established meaning before Mr. Perens even claims to have coined the term.Your airplane design is " Free " if you permit redistribution of [ un ] modified plans for any purpose .
But even those plans in popular mechanics were Open Source    and you can still get access to those plans for a nominal copying fee , I might add .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What makes it "Open Source" is giving away the plans, because "Open" means "interoperable" and "Open Source" means you can get the source, period, the end.
Bruce Perens and the OSI would like you to believe it means something else, but it had an established meaning before Mr. Perens even claims to have coined the term.Your airplane design is "Free" if you permit redistribution of [un]modified plans for any purpose.
But even those plans in popular mechanics were Open Source — and you can still get access to those plans for a nominal copying fee, I might add.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418532</id>
	<title>Build It. Share It. Profit.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260623520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can Open Source Hardware Work? Banzi seems to think so via <a href="http://www.wired.com/techbiz/startups/magazine/16-11/ff\_openmanufacturing" title="wired.com">http://www.wired.com/techbiz/startups/magazine/16-11/ff\_openmanufacturing</a> [wired.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can Open Source Hardware Work ?
Banzi seems to think so via http : //www.wired.com/techbiz/startups/magazine/16-11/ff \ _openmanufacturing [ wired.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can Open Source Hardware Work?
Banzi seems to think so via http://www.wired.com/techbiz/startups/magazine/16-11/ff\_openmanufacturing [wired.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418980</id>
	<title>creative vocabulary != cult</title>
	<author>FranTaylor</author>
	<datestamp>1260629880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Choosing an odd word to name an interface specification doesn't qualify its users as belonging to a 'cult'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Choosing an odd word to name an interface specification does n't qualify its users as belonging to a 'cult' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Choosing an odd word to name an interface specification doesn't qualify its users as belonging to a 'cult'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30429624</id>
	<title>Re:The "Arduno" cult</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260794460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The Arduno cult is about branding, not technology. The CPU is an ATMega 128, a good little microcontroller.  Boards for that CPU have been available for years.  I was using <a href="http://microcontrollershop.com/product\_info.php?products\_id=588" title="microcontrollershop.com" rel="nofollow">this one</a> [microcontrollershop.com] years before the cult. It's Atmel that made this all possible, by building a microcontroller that requires very few external components to program and debug.</p><p>The Arduno people have their own language and terminology, talking about "shields" (daughterboards) and such.  Too cult-like.</p></div><p>The Arduino used to use the Atmega 168 not the 128. I believe they have moved on to the Atmega 328.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Arduno cult is about branding , not technology .
The CPU is an ATMega 128 , a good little microcontroller .
Boards for that CPU have been available for years .
I was using this one [ microcontrollershop.com ] years before the cult .
It 's Atmel that made this all possible , by building a microcontroller that requires very few external components to program and debug.The Arduno people have their own language and terminology , talking about " shields " ( daughterboards ) and such .
Too cult-like.The Arduino used to use the Atmega 168 not the 128 .
I believe they have moved on to the Atmega 328 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Arduno cult is about branding, not technology.
The CPU is an ATMega 128, a good little microcontroller.
Boards for that CPU have been available for years.
I was using this one [microcontrollershop.com] years before the cult.
It's Atmel that made this all possible, by building a microcontroller that requires very few external components to program and debug.The Arduno people have their own language and terminology, talking about "shields" (daughterboards) and such.
Too cult-like.The Arduino used to use the Atmega 168 not the 128.
I believe they have moved on to the Atmega 328.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30421980</id>
	<title>Re:Bad news</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260711000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Open source has devastated the software community and increased the prices of legit software.<br>Now open hardware is looking to follow in its footsteps, hurting the economy, losing jobs and ruining lives.</p></div><p>Its the work of the communists from hell. lol</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Open source has devastated the software community and increased the prices of legit software.Now open hardware is looking to follow in its footsteps , hurting the economy , losing jobs and ruining lives.Its the work of the communists from hell .
lol</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Open source has devastated the software community and increased the prices of legit software.Now open hardware is looking to follow in its footsteps, hurting the economy, losing jobs and ruining lives.Its the work of the communists from hell.
lol
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418038</id>
	<title>No universal machine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260618600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Open Source software is great because there is an affordable universal machine which can be used to implement the software described by the source code. There is no such universal machine for hardware yet. Making electronics still requires either quite a lot of money or a versatile skill-set and tools. Other hardware isn't much different: You basically have to be a machinist to be able to create something from the published blueprints, and at that point, do you really need the blueprints?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Open Source software is great because there is an affordable universal machine which can be used to implement the software described by the source code .
There is no such universal machine for hardware yet .
Making electronics still requires either quite a lot of money or a versatile skill-set and tools .
Other hardware is n't much different : You basically have to be a machinist to be able to create something from the published blueprints , and at that point , do you really need the blueprints ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Open Source software is great because there is an affordable universal machine which can be used to implement the software described by the source code.
There is no such universal machine for hardware yet.
Making electronics still requires either quite a lot of money or a versatile skill-set and tools.
Other hardware isn't much different: You basically have to be a machinist to be able to create something from the published blueprints, and at that point, do you really need the blueprints?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418602</id>
	<title>Re:No universal machine</title>
	<author>TheGratefulNet</author>
	<datestamp>1260624480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the arduino seems to be as close to 'programmable logic for the masses' as I've seen.</p><p>this year, I finally took the plunge and got very into this arduino thing.  love it!  recommend it.</p><p>I'm a mostly-software person with a hardware hobby background.  the arduino is just enough hardware to 'stay interesting' and yet not need a full EE to do useful things (design, build AND code).</p><p>its not a host like unix is; its a controller.  but its all in C, its multiplatform (the IDE) and it does quite a lot for the cost (almost no cost; just a $20 usb serial cable for development and that's all, over the chip and board itself).  chips and boards can be made for $5 (I built my own arduino clone on perf board.  not hard.)</p><p>the arduino craze is taking off and only going to get bigger as time goes on.</p><p>need an IR receiver that 'does things' based on learned IR codes?  arduino.  need some X10 wireless stuff controlled?  arduino.  need to talk to LCD displays easily?  arduino.  and ALL the source is out there, so your coding is mostly a 'glue' exercise without a huge amount of new code that needs to be written.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the arduino seems to be as close to 'programmable logic for the masses ' as I 've seen.this year , I finally took the plunge and got very into this arduino thing .
love it !
recommend it.I 'm a mostly-software person with a hardware hobby background .
the arduino is just enough hardware to 'stay interesting ' and yet not need a full EE to do useful things ( design , build AND code ) .its not a host like unix is ; its a controller .
but its all in C , its multiplatform ( the IDE ) and it does quite a lot for the cost ( almost no cost ; just a $ 20 usb serial cable for development and that 's all , over the chip and board itself ) .
chips and boards can be made for $ 5 ( I built my own arduino clone on perf board .
not hard .
) the arduino craze is taking off and only going to get bigger as time goes on.need an IR receiver that 'does things ' based on learned IR codes ?
arduino. need some X10 wireless stuff controlled ?
arduino. need to talk to LCD displays easily ?
arduino. and ALL the source is out there , so your coding is mostly a 'glue ' exercise without a huge amount of new code that needs to be written .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the arduino seems to be as close to 'programmable logic for the masses' as I've seen.this year, I finally took the plunge and got very into this arduino thing.
love it!
recommend it.I'm a mostly-software person with a hardware hobby background.
the arduino is just enough hardware to 'stay interesting' and yet not need a full EE to do useful things (design, build AND code).its not a host like unix is; its a controller.
but its all in C, its multiplatform (the IDE) and it does quite a lot for the cost (almost no cost; just a $20 usb serial cable for development and that's all, over the chip and board itself).
chips and boards can be made for $5 (I built my own arduino clone on perf board.
not hard.
)the arduino craze is taking off and only going to get bigger as time goes on.need an IR receiver that 'does things' based on learned IR codes?
arduino.  need some X10 wireless stuff controlled?
arduino.  need to talk to LCD displays easily?
arduino.  and ALL the source is out there, so your coding is mostly a 'glue' exercise without a huge amount of new code that needs to be written.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418470</id>
	<title>Buzz-Word Bingo</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1260622980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The creators of all of these projects have decided to publish completely all the source, schematics, firmware, software, bill of materials, parts list, drawings, and 'board' files to recreate the hardware.</i> </p><p>Why must everything be labeled "open source?"<br>Plans and projects for the technically-minded hobbyist are at least as old as <i>Popular Mechanics,</i> first published in 1902.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The creators of all of these projects have decided to publish completely all the source , schematics , firmware , software , bill of materials , parts list , drawings , and 'board ' files to recreate the hardware .
Why must everything be labeled " open source ?
" Plans and projects for the technically-minded hobbyist are at least as old as Popular Mechanics , first published in 1902 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The creators of all of these projects have decided to publish completely all the source, schematics, firmware, software, bill of materials, parts list, drawings, and 'board' files to recreate the hardware.
Why must everything be labeled "open source?
"Plans and projects for the technically-minded hobbyist are at least as old as Popular Mechanics, first published in 1902.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418274</id>
	<title>No</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260620700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They also allow any use, including commercial. In other words, you can make a business making and selling any of these objects. This is similar to open source software like Linux, but hardware-centric."</p></div><p>No, more like open source software like BSD. Stallman doesn't approve of anything commercial, or anyone making any profit off of anything at all. Witness GPL 3.0.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They also allow any use , including commercial .
In other words , you can make a business making and selling any of these objects .
This is similar to open source software like Linux , but hardware-centric .
" No , more like open source software like BSD .
Stallman does n't approve of anything commercial , or anyone making any profit off of anything at all .
Witness GPL 3.0 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They also allow any use, including commercial.
In other words, you can make a business making and selling any of these objects.
This is similar to open source software like Linux, but hardware-centric.
"No, more like open source software like BSD.
Stallman doesn't approve of anything commercial, or anyone making any profit off of anything at all.
Witness GPL 3.0.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418798</id>
	<title>Re:No</title>
	<author>schon</author>
	<datestamp>1260627180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Stallman doesn't approve of anything commercial, or anyone making any profit off of anything at all.</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html" title="gnu.org">Would you like some ketchup to go with that foot?</a> [gnu.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Stallman does n't approve of anything commercial , or anyone making any profit off of anything at all .
Would you like some ketchup to go with that foot ?
[ gnu.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stallman doesn't approve of anything commercial, or anyone making any profit off of anything at all.
Would you like some ketchup to go with that foot?
[gnu.org]
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418352</id>
	<title>Re:Make magazine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260621600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Make is not about making stuff cheaper than off-the-shelf, so if the price of mag puts you off, you're not going to make anything with it anyway. The idea behind Make is a form of self-empowerment, to understand hardware and to enable individual constructions. One-of prices are always going to be much higher than the price of mass-produced merchandise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Make is not about making stuff cheaper than off-the-shelf , so if the price of mag puts you off , you 're not going to make anything with it anyway .
The idea behind Make is a form of self-empowerment , to understand hardware and to enable individual constructions .
One-of prices are always going to be much higher than the price of mass-produced merchandise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Make is not about making stuff cheaper than off-the-shelf, so if the price of mag puts you off, you're not going to make anything with it anyway.
The idea behind Make is a form of self-empowerment, to understand hardware and to enable individual constructions.
One-of prices are always going to be much higher than the price of mass-produced merchandise.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30419060</id>
	<title>Re:The "Arduno" cult</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260631020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thanks, comic book store guy. The Arduino 'cult' has, as others have pointed out, lowered the barrier to entry for people interested in microcontroller programming. The community (or cult in your words) that's grown up around it is part of why it's more than just a chip from Atmel. People have written libraries that make it easier to use components, and the programming environment is dreamy compared to old-skool avr-gcc and avrdude (which the Arduino development environment still uses, under the covers).</p><p>Lots of people got to do the 'pfft, amateurs. I was here first thing'. If that gives you a lot of satisfaction and what not, go for it, but don't expect people to wear themselves out being impressed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks , comic book store guy .
The Arduino 'cult ' has , as others have pointed out , lowered the barrier to entry for people interested in microcontroller programming .
The community ( or cult in your words ) that 's grown up around it is part of why it 's more than just a chip from Atmel .
People have written libraries that make it easier to use components , and the programming environment is dreamy compared to old-skool avr-gcc and avrdude ( which the Arduino development environment still uses , under the covers ) .Lots of people got to do the 'pfft , amateurs .
I was here first thing' .
If that gives you a lot of satisfaction and what not , go for it , but do n't expect people to wear themselves out being impressed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks, comic book store guy.
The Arduino 'cult' has, as others have pointed out, lowered the barrier to entry for people interested in microcontroller programming.
The community (or cult in your words) that's grown up around it is part of why it's more than just a chip from Atmel.
People have written libraries that make it easier to use components, and the programming environment is dreamy compared to old-skool avr-gcc and avrdude (which the Arduino development environment still uses, under the covers).Lots of people got to do the 'pfft, amateurs.
I was here first thing'.
If that gives you a lot of satisfaction and what not, go for it, but don't expect people to wear themselves out being impressed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30419804</id>
	<title>Re:Buzz-Word Bingo</title>
	<author>yuhong</author>
	<datestamp>1260638100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It came from software. Software sharing was common until people decided that they want to make money from software by stopping it, effectively creating artificial scarcity. One of the first attempts was the Open Letter to Hobbyists, published back in 1975 by Bill Gates. By 1983 it got to the point where Stallman had to start the "free software" movement to get the freedom lost by this back. It was later that the term "open source" was invented.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It came from software .
Software sharing was common until people decided that they want to make money from software by stopping it , effectively creating artificial scarcity .
One of the first attempts was the Open Letter to Hobbyists , published back in 1975 by Bill Gates .
By 1983 it got to the point where Stallman had to start the " free software " movement to get the freedom lost by this back .
It was later that the term " open source " was invented .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It came from software.
Software sharing was common until people decided that they want to make money from software by stopping it, effectively creating artificial scarcity.
One of the first attempts was the Open Letter to Hobbyists, published back in 1975 by Bill Gates.
By 1983 it got to the point where Stallman had to start the "free software" movement to get the freedom lost by this back.
It was later that the term "open source" was invented.</sentencetext>
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	<title>no 3g based?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260640980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I couldnt help but notice that there are no 3g based projects. I know that many (not all) of the 3g chipsets that you need to build any product are covered under extremely restrictive NDA.
<br> <br>

However, I had really hoped that there would be atleast one

<br> <br>
Note: OpenMoko does not disclose its 3g firmware (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01\_gsm\_modem)
<i> Upgrading the modem's firmware is technically possible but no proper software is currently legally available to users outside Openmoko staff </i></htmltext>
<tokenext>I couldnt help but notice that there are no 3g based projects .
I know that many ( not all ) of the 3g chipsets that you need to build any product are covered under extremely restrictive NDA .
However , I had really hoped that there would be atleast one Note : OpenMoko does not disclose its 3g firmware ( http : //wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01 \ _gsm \ _modem ) Upgrading the modem 's firmware is technically possible but no proper software is currently legally available to users outside Openmoko staff</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I couldnt help but notice that there are no 3g based projects.
I know that many (not all) of the 3g chipsets that you need to build any product are covered under extremely restrictive NDA.
However, I had really hoped that there would be atleast one

 
Note: OpenMoko does not disclose its 3g firmware (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01\_gsm\_modem)
 Upgrading the modem's firmware is technically possible but no proper software is currently legally available to users outside Openmoko staff </sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30417996</id>
	<title>Now there's a geeky Christmas card!</title>
	<author>Lord Lode</author>
	<datestamp>1260618240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look under the "religious" projects. Finally a Christmas card that looks more geeky than the "iphone with cardboard" posted earlier on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look under the " religious " projects .
Finally a Christmas card that looks more geeky than the " iphone with cardboard " posted earlier on / .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look under the "religious" projects.
Finally a Christmas card that looks more geeky than the "iphone with cardboard" posted earlier on /.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30419980</id>
	<title>Re:The "Arduno" cult</title>
	<author>Murdoch5</author>
	<datestamp>1260639300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I love the arduno well more so the Atmega.   It works awesome with gcc and is easy and simple to program.  However one thing I do have with it is that the SPI port is a little odd to work with.  Other then that's it a solid performer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I love the arduno well more so the Atmega .
It works awesome with gcc and is easy and simple to program .
However one thing I do have with it is that the SPI port is a little odd to work with .
Other then that 's it a solid performer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love the arduno well more so the Atmega.
It works awesome with gcc and is easy and simple to program.
However one thing I do have with it is that the SPI port is a little odd to work with.
Other then that's it a solid performer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418644</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418262</id>
	<title>"Culture Jamming" = Tools for Sociopaths</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260620580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A home-brewed cell phone jammer, long distance TV turner-off'er, and an Area Effect Sickness Generator.  MAKE is clearly pandering to the Got-Stuffed-In-Their-Lockers-A-Lot-In-High-School crowd...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A home-brewed cell phone jammer , long distance TV turner-off'er , and an Area Effect Sickness Generator .
MAKE is clearly pandering to the Got-Stuffed-In-Their-Lockers-A-Lot-In-High-School crowd.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A home-brewed cell phone jammer, long distance TV turner-off'er, and an Area Effect Sickness Generator.
MAKE is clearly pandering to the Got-Stuffed-In-Their-Lockers-A-Lot-In-High-School crowd...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30423046</id>
	<title>Re:Make magazine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260724500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From Mexico I agree with the aussie, this kind of self empowerment comes very high in cost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From Mexico I agree with the aussie , this kind of self empowerment comes very high in cost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From Mexico I agree with the aussie, this kind of self empowerment comes very high in cost.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418352</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30419172</id>
	<title>Re:The "Arduno" cult</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260632580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Arduino is all about the "cult," however.</p><p>That "cult" has created an ecosystem around the ATMega8/168/328 - in fact, what makes the Arduino so interesting isn't the hardware, or even the shields (although they are nice - a de-facto standard for expansion,) it's the software. The software reduces the barrier of entry to microcontroller programming drastically.</p><p>You can make an Arduino that doesn't use their hardware at all, only their software, and get quite a lot of the benefits. In fact, there are official Arduino designs that use different layouts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Arduino is all about the " cult , " however.That " cult " has created an ecosystem around the ATMega8/168/328 - in fact , what makes the Arduino so interesting is n't the hardware , or even the shields ( although they are nice - a de-facto standard for expansion , ) it 's the software .
The software reduces the barrier of entry to microcontroller programming drastically.You can make an Arduino that does n't use their hardware at all , only their software , and get quite a lot of the benefits .
In fact , there are official Arduino designs that use different layouts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Arduino is all about the "cult," however.That "cult" has created an ecosystem around the ATMega8/168/328 - in fact, what makes the Arduino so interesting isn't the hardware, or even the shields (although they are nice - a de-facto standard for expansion,) it's the software.
The software reduces the barrier of entry to microcontroller programming drastically.You can make an Arduino that doesn't use their hardware at all, only their software, and get quite a lot of the benefits.
In fact, there are official Arduino designs that use different layouts.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418644</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418350</id>
	<title>Re:No universal machine</title>
	<author>vadim\_t</author>
	<datestamp>1260621600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, programming isn't that easy either. I mean, in theory, all you need is a computer, but in practice it takes a lot of time to learn properly.</p><p>I think that getting started in electronics wouldn't be that expensive. Soldering irons are cheap, and components like capacitors are sold for prices like $0.05/unit. Of course microcontrollers and such are more expensive, but you don't need those in large amounts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , programming is n't that easy either .
I mean , in theory , all you need is a computer , but in practice it takes a lot of time to learn properly.I think that getting started in electronics would n't be that expensive .
Soldering irons are cheap , and components like capacitors are sold for prices like $ 0.05/unit .
Of course microcontrollers and such are more expensive , but you do n't need those in large amounts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, programming isn't that easy either.
I mean, in theory, all you need is a computer, but in practice it takes a lot of time to learn properly.I think that getting started in electronics wouldn't be that expensive.
Soldering irons are cheap, and components like capacitors are sold for prices like $0.05/unit.
Of course microcontrollers and such are more expensive, but you don't need those in large amounts.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418038</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418580</id>
	<title>Re:"Culture Jamming" = Tools for Sociopaths</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260624120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"long distance TV turner-off'er,"</p><p>if you were to add amplifier/hi-fi turning off'er to that, i'd be buying one. stupid loud party in the summer when everybody's got their windows open at night? not any more!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" long distance TV turner-off'er , " if you were to add amplifier/hi-fi turning off'er to that , i 'd be buying one .
stupid loud party in the summer when everybody 's got their windows open at night ?
not any more !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"long distance TV turner-off'er,"if you were to add amplifier/hi-fi turning off'er to that, i'd be buying one.
stupid loud party in the summer when everybody's got their windows open at night?
not any more!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418262</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418480</id>
	<title>Re:Bad news</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260623100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're going to troll, at least bother to post anon fool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're going to troll , at least bother to post anon fool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're going to troll, at least bother to post anon fool.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30417990</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30417994</id>
	<title>WTF</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260618240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I refuse to be the first post.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I refuse to be the first post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I refuse to be the first post.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418318</id>
	<title>Make magazine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260621120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ah Make magazine. Sadly this journal is so difficult to find here in Australia, and when you do, the cost is so astronomically expensive per issue that anyone who can afford it can just go and buy off-the-shelf stuff and probably has no need to make their own on the cheap anyway. Well that is the feeling that always springs to mind<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah Make magazine .
Sadly this journal is so difficult to find here in Australia , and when you do , the cost is so astronomically expensive per issue that anyone who can afford it can just go and buy off-the-shelf stuff and probably has no need to make their own on the cheap anyway .
Well that is the feeling that always springs to mind : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah Make magazine.
Sadly this journal is so difficult to find here in Australia, and when you do, the cost is so astronomically expensive per issue that anyone who can afford it can just go and buy off-the-shelf stuff and probably has no need to make their own on the cheap anyway.
Well that is the feeling that always springs to mind :(</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418644</id>
	<title>The "Arduno" cult</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1260625320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The Arduno cult is about branding, not technology. The CPU is an ATMega 128, a good little microcontroller.  Boards for that CPU have been available for years.  I was using <a href="http://microcontrollershop.com/product\_info.php?products\_id=588" title="microcontrollershop.com">this one</a> [microcontrollershop.com] years before the cult. It's Atmel that made this all possible, by building a microcontroller that requires very few external components to program and debug.
</p><p>
The Arduno people have their own language and terminology, talking about "shields" (daughterboards) and such.  Too cult-like.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Arduno cult is about branding , not technology .
The CPU is an ATMega 128 , a good little microcontroller .
Boards for that CPU have been available for years .
I was using this one [ microcontrollershop.com ] years before the cult .
It 's Atmel that made this all possible , by building a microcontroller that requires very few external components to program and debug .
The Arduno people have their own language and terminology , talking about " shields " ( daughterboards ) and such .
Too cult-like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The Arduno cult is about branding, not technology.
The CPU is an ATMega 128, a good little microcontroller.
Boards for that CPU have been available for years.
I was using this one [microcontrollershop.com] years before the cult.
It's Atmel that made this all possible, by building a microcontroller that requires very few external components to program and debug.
The Arduno people have their own language and terminology, talking about "shields" (daughterboards) and such.
Too cult-like.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418452</id>
	<title>Free hardware?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260622800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure am looking forward to building some of these things. I'd just like to clarify that GNU/Linux (linux's just the kernel) is free software and not open source, the main difference is that open source focuses on the practical part of having available source code while free software focuses on the user's freedoms (one of which is access to the source code).</p><p>I've always wondered if there is a view in hardware that meets the views of free software (i.e. the freedom to tinker with your hardware, to share schematics,firmware,etc. with friends, the freedom to modify and redistribute anything provided by the community), and if there is why is it not called free hardware? Also, does anybody know of hardware licenses similar to the GPL?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure am looking forward to building some of these things .
I 'd just like to clarify that GNU/Linux ( linux 's just the kernel ) is free software and not open source , the main difference is that open source focuses on the practical part of having available source code while free software focuses on the user 's freedoms ( one of which is access to the source code ) .I 've always wondered if there is a view in hardware that meets the views of free software ( i.e .
the freedom to tinker with your hardware , to share schematics,firmware,etc .
with friends , the freedom to modify and redistribute anything provided by the community ) , and if there is why is it not called free hardware ?
Also , does anybody know of hardware licenses similar to the GPL ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure am looking forward to building some of these things.
I'd just like to clarify that GNU/Linux (linux's just the kernel) is free software and not open source, the main difference is that open source focuses on the practical part of having available source code while free software focuses on the user's freedoms (one of which is access to the source code).I've always wondered if there is a view in hardware that meets the views of free software (i.e.
the freedom to tinker with your hardware, to share schematics,firmware,etc.
with friends, the freedom to modify and redistribute anything provided by the community), and if there is why is it not called free hardware?
Also, does anybody know of hardware licenses similar to the GPL?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418498</id>
	<title>As soon as they automate this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260623220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...we can add "swag optimization" to "search optimization".  Except, Microsoft has nothing i want!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...we can add " swag optimization " to " search optimization " .
Except , Microsoft has nothing i want !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...we can add "swag optimization" to "search optimization".
Except, Microsoft has nothing i want!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30419410</id>
	<title>is this also an example of open source?</title>
	<author>JumpSocial</author>
	<datestamp>1260634740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I consider my model airplane design open source because I made the plans available.

People have built them all over the world and have added revisions to the plans.

Is that what makes it open source?

Here is the URL:

<a href="http://www.rubber-power.com/" title="rubber-power.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.rubber-power.com/</a> [rubber-power.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I consider my model airplane design open source because I made the plans available .
People have built them all over the world and have added revisions to the plans .
Is that what makes it open source ?
Here is the URL : http : //www.rubber-power.com/ [ rubber-power.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I consider my model airplane design open source because I made the plans available.
People have built them all over the world and have added revisions to the plans.
Is that what makes it open source?
Here is the URL:

http://www.rubber-power.com/ [rubber-power.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30419716</id>
	<title>Re:Buzz-Word Bingo</title>
	<author>zigmeister</author>
	<datestamp>1260637140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Negating accidental 'Redundant' moderation. Sigh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Negating accidental 'Redundant ' moderation .
Sigh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Negating accidental 'Redundant' moderation.
Sigh.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418470</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30417990</id>
	<title>Bad news</title>
	<author>Reikk</author>
	<datestamp>1260618180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Open source has devastated the software community and increased the prices of legit software.
Now open hardware is looking to follow in its footsteps, hurting the economy, losing jobs and ruining lives.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Open source has devastated the software community and increased the prices of legit software .
Now open hardware is looking to follow in its footsteps , hurting the economy , losing jobs and ruining lives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Open source has devastated the software community and increased the prices of legit software.
Now open hardware is looking to follow in its footsteps, hurting the economy, losing jobs and ruining lives.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418280</id>
	<title>Re:No universal machine</title>
	<author>rphy</author>
	<datestamp>1260620700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Agree with you. And also, software should be free (as in free speech) due to the inherent nature of software (lines of code). OTOH, one can choose not to display the schematics of the hardware thus preventing someone from duplicating it. Of course, in most cases,  one can open it up and reverse engineer it; however not so easy with microchips and the like. I find "open source hardware" just a fashionable tag people use to promote themselves.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agree with you .
And also , software should be free ( as in free speech ) due to the inherent nature of software ( lines of code ) .
OTOH , one can choose not to display the schematics of the hardware thus preventing someone from duplicating it .
Of course , in most cases , one can open it up and reverse engineer it ; however not so easy with microchips and the like .
I find " open source hardware " just a fashionable tag people use to promote themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agree with you.
And also, software should be free (as in free speech) due to the inherent nature of software (lines of code).
OTOH, one can choose not to display the schematics of the hardware thus preventing someone from duplicating it.
Of course, in most cases,  one can open it up and reverse engineer it; however not so easy with microchips and the like.
I find "open source hardware" just a fashionable tag people use to promote themselves.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418038</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30426076</id>
	<title>Re:No universal machine</title>
	<author>AmiMoJo</author>
	<datestamp>1260706860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually by hobby electronics standards the Arduino is a tad pricey... You pay for an easy to use platform which can be used by people who don't have electronics skills. You need to be able to code in C, but the Arduino development environment provides libraries to all the hardware access easier.</p><p>If you are a Real Coder(TM) you can just get an AVR programmer (&pound;15) and an ATmega8 (&pound;1 or less) and start hacking away. I keep hearing comments from the young 'uns about how 20MHz is really slow and you can't do anything with 1k of RAM and 16k of ROM, but I guess they haven't seen the demos people were making on C64s and Amigas back in the day. AVR assembler is very nice too.</p><p>Now, a shameless plug for my own projects: <a href="http://denki.world3.net/" title="world3.net">denki.world3.net</a> [world3.net]. All GPL. I sell the Retro Adapters here: <a href="http://retro.world3.net/" title="world3.net">retro.world3.net</a> [world3.net].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually by hobby electronics standards the Arduino is a tad pricey... You pay for an easy to use platform which can be used by people who do n't have electronics skills .
You need to be able to code in C , but the Arduino development environment provides libraries to all the hardware access easier.If you are a Real Coder ( TM ) you can just get an AVR programmer (   15 ) and an ATmega8 (   1 or less ) and start hacking away .
I keep hearing comments from the young 'uns about how 20MHz is really slow and you ca n't do anything with 1k of RAM and 16k of ROM , but I guess they have n't seen the demos people were making on C64s and Amigas back in the day .
AVR assembler is very nice too.Now , a shameless plug for my own projects : denki.world3.net [ world3.net ] .
All GPL .
I sell the Retro Adapters here : retro.world3.net [ world3.net ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually by hobby electronics standards the Arduino is a tad pricey... You pay for an easy to use platform which can be used by people who don't have electronics skills.
You need to be able to code in C, but the Arduino development environment provides libraries to all the hardware access easier.If you are a Real Coder(TM) you can just get an AVR programmer (£15) and an ATmega8 (£1 or less) and start hacking away.
I keep hearing comments from the young 'uns about how 20MHz is really slow and you can't do anything with 1k of RAM and 16k of ROM, but I guess they haven't seen the demos people were making on C64s and Amigas back in the day.
AVR assembler is very nice too.Now, a shameless plug for my own projects: denki.world3.net [world3.net].
All GPL.
I sell the Retro Adapters here: retro.world3.net [world3.net].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418472</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418450</id>
	<title>Re:No</title>
	<author>cheesybagel</author>
	<datestamp>1260622800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Stallman used to sell tapes with GNU software, as well as manuals. He even said this was the way he initially supported himself.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Stallman used to sell tapes with GNU software , as well as manuals .
He even said this was the way he initially supported himself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stallman used to sell tapes with GNU software, as well as manuals.
He even said this was the way he initially supported himself.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418274</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30420926</id>
	<title>Re:Buzz-Word Bingo</title>
	<author>halfey</author>
	<datestamp>1260735360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why must everything be labeled "open source?"</p></div><p>Which makes me think "open-source hardware" is a new term for "DIY hardware".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why must everything be labeled " open source ?
" Which makes me think " open-source hardware " is a new term for " DIY hardware " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why must everything be labeled "open source?
"Which makes me think "open-source hardware" is a new term for "DIY hardware".
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418470</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_207253.30418224</id>
	<title>Hardware and Software Projects are Awesome</title>
	<author>Murdoch5</author>
	<datestamp>1260620220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>About 2 years ago I built a 68000 full hardware and software board in my second year of college.   I wrote the firmware in ASM and had to then reprogram the ASM to Srecord and yes that's reprogram not just use a converter.   The board was wire wrapped which took more time then I want to remember.   Over all a fun project it took a total of about 6 weeks and we had to reprogram the ROM about 100 times because the rom burner was broken but no one knew till I suggested.</htmltext>
<tokenext>About 2 years ago I built a 68000 full hardware and software board in my second year of college .
I wrote the firmware in ASM and had to then reprogram the ASM to Srecord and yes that 's reprogram not just use a converter .
The board was wire wrapped which took more time then I want to remember .
Over all a fun project it took a total of about 6 weeks and we had to reprogram the ROM about 100 times because the rom burner was broken but no one knew till I suggested .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>About 2 years ago I built a 68000 full hardware and software board in my second year of college.
I wrote the firmware in ASM and had to then reprogram the ASM to Srecord and yes that's reprogram not just use a converter.
The board was wire wrapped which took more time then I want to remember.
Over all a fun project it took a total of about 6 weeks and we had to reprogram the ROM about 100 times because the rom burner was broken but no one knew till I suggested.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Shouldn't we have a different word for that ?</title>
	<author>Cochonou</author>
	<datestamp>1260694800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Something like open design ? Or anything else ? Coining in the word "source" for things that aren't really related (i.e.: blueprints) only causes confusion. When I think of "open source hardware", I might think about VHDL or Verilog, but not really blueprints.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Something like open design ?
Or anything else ?
Coining in the word " source " for things that are n't really related ( i.e .
: blueprints ) only causes confusion .
When I think of " open source hardware " , I might think about VHDL or Verilog , but not really blueprints .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something like open design ?
Or anything else ?
Coining in the word "source" for things that aren't really related (i.e.
: blueprints) only causes confusion.
When I think of "open source hardware", I might think about VHDL or Verilog, but not really blueprints.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:No universal machine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260623040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Quite a lot of money? As far as hobbies go, electronics is extremely affordable. Try "car racing", or "remote heli/plane" or even wood-working. You can make many interesting electronic projects for under $50 AU. Spend a bit more for an Arduino, and there are a nearly limitless number of projects you can build. As hobbies go, I don't think electronics can be classed as "expensive".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Quite a lot of money ?
As far as hobbies go , electronics is extremely affordable .
Try " car racing " , or " remote heli/plane " or even wood-working .
You can make many interesting electronic projects for under $ 50 AU .
Spend a bit more for an Arduino , and there are a nearly limitless number of projects you can build .
As hobbies go , I do n't think electronics can be classed as " expensive " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quite a lot of money?
As far as hobbies go, electronics is extremely affordable.
Try "car racing", or "remote heli/plane" or even wood-working.
You can make many interesting electronic projects for under $50 AU.
Spend a bit more for an Arduino, and there are a nearly limitless number of projects you can build.
As hobbies go, I don't think electronics can be classed as "expensive".</sentencetext>
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