<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_12_180248</id>
	<title>Nanotech Ink Turns Paper Into a Low-Cost Battery</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1260645960000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>jangel writes <i>"Stanford University researchers have demonstrated a way to <a href="http://www.windowsfordevices.com/c/a/News/Stanford-creates-highly-conductive-paper/">turn ordinary paper into a battery</a>, which may be crumpled or pressed into any form. It's said the technology promises greater durability, higher efficiency, and faster energy transfer than traditional batteries. The technique uses special ink made of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires. Thanks to the small diameters of these materials, the ink sticks strongly to the fibrous paper, allowing the battery to be extremely durable. The paper battery could last through 40,000 charge-discharge cycles &mdash; at least an order of magnitude more than lithium batteries. According to the researchers, the paper batteries will be low-cost, may be crumpled or folded, and can even be soaked in acidic or basic solutions, yet their performance does not degrade. 'We just haven't tested what happens when you burn it,' one of the researchers quipped."</i> This is the same Stanford research team, lead by Yi Cui, whose work with nanotechnology for battery applications we have <a href="//hardware.slashdot.org/story/08/01/16/027236/Nanotech-Anode-Promises-10X-Battery-Life">discussed</a> <a href="//hardware.slashdot.org/story/07/12/19/169259/Nanowires-Boost-Laptop-Battery-Life-to-20-Hours">before</a>. We've also delved into <a href="//hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/11/28/0023254/Algae-Could-Be-the-Key-To-Ultra-Thin-Batteries">alternate</a> <a href="//hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/08/09/0049214/Printable-Batteries-Should-Arrive-Next-Year">routes</a> to the holy grail of the ultra-thin battery.</htmltext>
<tokenext>jangel writes " Stanford University researchers have demonstrated a way to turn ordinary paper into a battery , which may be crumpled or pressed into any form .
It 's said the technology promises greater durability , higher efficiency , and faster energy transfer than traditional batteries .
The technique uses special ink made of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires .
Thanks to the small diameters of these materials , the ink sticks strongly to the fibrous paper , allowing the battery to be extremely durable .
The paper battery could last through 40,000 charge-discharge cycles    at least an order of magnitude more than lithium batteries .
According to the researchers , the paper batteries will be low-cost , may be crumpled or folded , and can even be soaked in acidic or basic solutions , yet their performance does not degrade .
'We just have n't tested what happens when you burn it, ' one of the researchers quipped .
" This is the same Stanford research team , lead by Yi Cui , whose work with nanotechnology for battery applications we have discussed before .
We 've also delved into alternate routes to the holy grail of the ultra-thin battery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>jangel writes "Stanford University researchers have demonstrated a way to turn ordinary paper into a battery, which may be crumpled or pressed into any form.
It's said the technology promises greater durability, higher efficiency, and faster energy transfer than traditional batteries.
The technique uses special ink made of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires.
Thanks to the small diameters of these materials, the ink sticks strongly to the fibrous paper, allowing the battery to be extremely durable.
The paper battery could last through 40,000 charge-discharge cycles — at least an order of magnitude more than lithium batteries.
According to the researchers, the paper batteries will be low-cost, may be crumpled or folded, and can even be soaked in acidic or basic solutions, yet their performance does not degrade.
'We just haven't tested what happens when you burn it,' one of the researchers quipped.
" This is the same Stanford research team, lead by Yi Cui, whose work with nanotechnology for battery applications we have discussed before.
We've also delved into alternate routes to the holy grail of the ultra-thin battery.</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30424290</id>
	<title>Re:Nice but...</title>
	<author>mhajicek</author>
	<datestamp>1260735960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>You could have a battery on a credit card, and call it your "Charge Card".</htmltext>
<tokenext>You could have a battery on a credit card , and call it your " Charge Card " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could have a battery on a credit card, and call it your "Charge Card".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30418820</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416892</id>
	<title>Ultra-thin battery already commercially available</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260610320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Keep in mind that ultra-thin, printed, "paper" batteries (usually printed on cellulose, or a thin polymer film for added mechanical strength, although paper itself can be done) have been commercially available for a decade -- see <a href="http://www.powerpaper.com/" title="powerpaper.com">Power Paper</a> [powerpaper.com] and <a href="http://www.bluesparktechnologies.com/" title="bluesparkt...logies.com">Blue Spark Technologies</a> [bluesparkt...logies.com] as just two examples.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Keep in mind that ultra-thin , printed , " paper " batteries ( usually printed on cellulose , or a thin polymer film for added mechanical strength , although paper itself can be done ) have been commercially available for a decade -- see Power Paper [ powerpaper.com ] and Blue Spark Technologies [ bluesparkt...logies.com ] as just two examples .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Keep in mind that ultra-thin, printed, "paper" batteries (usually printed on cellulose, or a thin polymer film for added mechanical strength, although paper itself can be done) have been commercially available for a decade -- see Power Paper [powerpaper.com] and Blue Spark Technologies [bluesparkt...logies.com] as just two examples.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416940</id>
	<title>Re:fancy ink</title>
	<author>gyrogeerloose</author>
	<datestamp>1260610500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Ink made out of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires?  That will be almost as expensive as inkjet ink.</p></div><p>No doubt that, if these paper batteries are ever used power cars, the manufacturers will practically give the cars away and make up the cost by selling consumables.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ink made out of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires ?
That will be almost as expensive as inkjet ink.No doubt that , if these paper batteries are ever used power cars , the manufacturers will practically give the cars away and make up the cost by selling consumables .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ink made out of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires?
That will be almost as expensive as inkjet ink.No doubt that, if these paper batteries are ever used power cars, the manufacturers will practically give the cars away and make up the cost by selling consumables.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416460</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30418152</id>
	<title>Re:Nice, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260619500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The story isn't entirely clear, but it does say "the technique uses special ink made of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires". Based on that I would guess the ink may be made of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires.</p></div><p>That's definitely worth at least a +3 Funny<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... how the hell you got a +5 Insightful out of that is beyond me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The story is n't entirely clear , but it does say " the technique uses special ink made of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires " .
Based on that I would guess the ink may be made of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires.That 's definitely worth at least a + 3 Funny ... how the hell you got a + 5 Insightful out of that is beyond me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The story isn't entirely clear, but it does say "the technique uses special ink made of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires".
Based on that I would guess the ink may be made of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires.That's definitely worth at least a +3 Funny ... how the hell you got a +5 Insightful out of that is beyond me.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416990</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416694</id>
	<title>trees?</title>
	<author>hort\_wort</author>
	<datestamp>1260609000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just wait until some mad scientist engineers a tree to produce it's own ink and arrange it properly.  In Soviet Russia, the tree strikes the lightning!  (That's my first Soviet Russia attempt.  w00t)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just wait until some mad scientist engineers a tree to produce it 's own ink and arrange it properly .
In Soviet Russia , the tree strikes the lightning !
( That 's my first Soviet Russia attempt .
w00t )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just wait until some mad scientist engineers a tree to produce it's own ink and arrange it properly.
In Soviet Russia, the tree strikes the lightning!
(That's my first Soviet Russia attempt.
w00t)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416934</id>
	<title>Re:Cost of silver</title>
	<author>whowantscream</author>
	<datestamp>1260610500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How much silver is actually sued in these batteries?</p></div><p>IANAL, but I can't imagine what case one could bring against the silver in those batteries...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How much silver is actually sued in these batteries ? IANAL , but I ca n't imagine what case one could bring against the silver in those batteries.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much silver is actually sued in these batteries?IANAL, but I can't imagine what case one could bring against the silver in those batteries...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416432</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30418254</id>
	<title>Great, just great</title>
	<author>Greg\_D</author>
	<datestamp>1260620520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now we'll have libraries with "knowledge is power" posters everywhere.</p><p>Guy 1: Hey Joe, how many volts you need to run that there dishwasher?<br>Guy 2 (named Joe, apparently): I reckon three Libraries of Congress oughta do it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now we 'll have libraries with " knowledge is power " posters everywhere.Guy 1 : Hey Joe , how many volts you need to run that there dishwasher ? Guy 2 ( named Joe , apparently ) : I reckon three Libraries of Congress oughta do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now we'll have libraries with "knowledge is power" posters everywhere.Guy 1: Hey Joe, how many volts you need to run that there dishwasher?Guy 2 (named Joe, apparently): I reckon three Libraries of Congress oughta do it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30417910</id>
	<title>so many questions...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260617280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So many questions would be answered if the <a href="http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/12/04/0908858106" title="pnas.org" rel="nofollow">actual science</a> [pnas.org] was available.</p><p>Too bad PNAS charges for people to see that.  If you find Yi Cui's site at Stanford and look under "Publications," you may find <a href="http://www.stanford.edu/group/cui\_group/papers/Paper\%20supercap\%20and\%20battery\%20PNAS.pdf" title="stanford.edu" rel="nofollow">a relevant pdf</a> [stanford.edu].</p><p>*sigh* if only the editors knew how to use the internet... or is it that they don't know science is peer reviewed and not press released?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So many questions would be answered if the actual science [ pnas.org ] was available.Too bad PNAS charges for people to see that .
If you find Yi Cui 's site at Stanford and look under " Publications , " you may find a relevant pdf [ stanford.edu ] .
* sigh * if only the editors knew how to use the internet... or is it that they do n't know science is peer reviewed and not press released ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So many questions would be answered if the actual science [pnas.org] was available.Too bad PNAS charges for people to see that.
If you find Yi Cui's site at Stanford and look under "Publications," you may find a relevant pdf [stanford.edu].
*sigh* if only the editors knew how to use the internet... or is it that they don't know science is peer reviewed and not press released?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416288</id>
	<title>Very cool</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260649800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I want some, especially if they have a decent capacity.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I want some , especially if they have a decent capacity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want some, especially if they have a decent capacity.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416304</id>
	<title>Nice, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260649860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>What's the power density? If you need a dozen phonebooks worth of paper to store 100wH, never mind...
<p>
What's the ink made of? Oil? If so: never mind.
</p><p>
How fast an you charge it without it bursting into flames?
</p><p>
If it can charge faster and has equal power density to LiON batteries, and the ink isn't made out of oil, and the entire thing can be built outside of a petroleum context, I think we might have a winner...
</p><p>
RS</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the power density ?
If you need a dozen phonebooks worth of paper to store 100wH , never mind.. . What 's the ink made of ?
Oil ? If so : never mind .
How fast an you charge it without it bursting into flames ?
If it can charge faster and has equal power density to LiON batteries , and the ink is n't made out of oil , and the entire thing can be built outside of a petroleum context , I think we might have a winner.. . RS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the power density?
If you need a dozen phonebooks worth of paper to store 100wH, never mind...

What's the ink made of?
Oil? If so: never mind.
How fast an you charge it without it bursting into flames?
If it can charge faster and has equal power density to LiON batteries, and the ink isn't made out of oil, and the entire thing can be built outside of a petroleum context, I think we might have a winner...

RS</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416318</id>
	<title>What's the energy density?</title>
	<author>tinrobot</author>
	<datestamp>1260649920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope I don't have to carry around a copy of "War and Peace" just to power my phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope I do n't have to carry around a copy of " War and Peace " just to power my phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope I don't have to carry around a copy of "War and Peace" just to power my phone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416812</id>
	<title>Re:Nice, but...</title>
	<author>Eternauta3k</author>
	<datestamp>1260609840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What's the ink made of? Oil?</p></div><p>Baby seals</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the ink made of ?
Oil ? Baby seals</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the ink made of?
Oil?Baby seals
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416304</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30424250</id>
	<title>Re:Nice, but...</title>
	<author>mhajicek</author>
	<datestamp>1260735660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your baby seal is leaking.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your baby seal is leaking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your baby seal is leaking.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416812</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30417088</id>
	<title>Re:Cost of silver</title>
	<author>Yvan256</author>
	<datestamp>1260611400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>How much silver is actually sued in these batteries?</p></div></blockquote><p>I don't know, but the lawyers cost alone is going to prevent this technology from ever reaching the marketplace.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How much silver is actually sued in these batteries ? I do n't know , but the lawyers cost alone is going to prevent this technology from ever reaching the marketplace .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much silver is actually sued in these batteries?I don't know, but the lawyers cost alone is going to prevent this technology from ever reaching the marketplace.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416432</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30418058</id>
	<title>Just Wow!</title>
	<author>Linker3000</author>
	<datestamp>1260618720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you tie a length of this paper into a M&#246;bius strip, do you get an infinite power source - or just AC?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you tie a length of this paper into a M   bius strip , do you get an infinite power source - or just AC ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you tie a length of this paper into a Möbius strip, do you get an infinite power source - or just AC?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416332</id>
	<title>Burning</title>
	<author>Nerdfest</author>
	<datestamp>1260650040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>'We just haven't tested what happens when you burn it,' one of the researchers quipped."</p></div><p>Riiiiighht. They're just waiting to patent electric rolling papers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>'We just have n't tested what happens when you burn it, ' one of the researchers quipped. " Riiiiighht .
They 're just waiting to patent electric rolling papers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'We just haven't tested what happens when you burn it,' one of the researchers quipped."Riiiiighht.
They're just waiting to patent electric rolling papers.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30432546</id>
	<title>Currency</title>
	<author>HTH NE1</author>
	<datestamp>1260813360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>According to the researchers, the paper batteries will be low-cost, may be crumpled or folded, and can even be soaked in acidic or basic solutions, yet their performance does not degrade.</p></div><p>A few more tests and it might even be suitable for use on paper currency, and suddenly the paranoid fears of having tracking devices in every paper bill could become a reality (starting with $100, $50, and $20 bills).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to the researchers , the paper batteries will be low-cost , may be crumpled or folded , and can even be soaked in acidic or basic solutions , yet their performance does not degrade.A few more tests and it might even be suitable for use on paper currency , and suddenly the paranoid fears of having tracking devices in every paper bill could become a reality ( starting with $ 100 , $ 50 , and $ 20 bills ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to the researchers, the paper batteries will be low-cost, may be crumpled or folded, and can even be soaked in acidic or basic solutions, yet their performance does not degrade.A few more tests and it might even be suitable for use on paper currency, and suddenly the paranoid fears of having tracking devices in every paper bill could become a reality (starting with $100, $50, and $20 bills).
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416482</id>
	<title>Yawn</title>
	<author>ground.zero.612</author>
	<datestamp>1260650760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wake me up when they make a static electricity battery that I can charge instantly after I walk across the room and touch it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wake me up when they make a static electricity battery that I can charge instantly after I walk across the room and touch it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wake me up when they make a static electricity battery that I can charge instantly after I walk across the room and touch it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30419088</id>
	<title>But will it make us happy?</title>
	<author>Snaller</author>
	<datestamp>1260631380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think not.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416518</id>
	<title>Re:What's the energy density?</title>
	<author>BlueParrot</author>
	<datestamp>1260651060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>According to the abstract it is 30-47 Wh/kg as compared to 160 Wh/kg for Li-ion. So it is a factor 3 short of Li-Ion. Still not bad for such a new tech. With some optimizations it might actually stand a chance to replace Li-Ion.</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to the abstract it is 30-47 Wh/kg as compared to 160 Wh/kg for Li-ion .
So it is a factor 3 short of Li-Ion .
Still not bad for such a new tech .
With some optimizations it might actually stand a chance to replace Li-Ion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to the abstract it is 30-47 Wh/kg as compared to 160 Wh/kg for Li-ion.
So it is a factor 3 short of Li-Ion.
Still not bad for such a new tech.
With some optimizations it might actually stand a chance to replace Li-Ion.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416794</id>
	<title>Finally!</title>
	<author>TxRv</author>
	<datestamp>1260609660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My dream of origami batteries is closer to realisation!</htmltext>
<tokenext>My dream of origami batteries is closer to realisation !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My dream of origami batteries is closer to realisation!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30417974</id>
	<title>Re:Nice, but...</title>
	<author>dlt074</author>
	<datestamp>1260618000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>at least you are applying logic and thought to the situation at hand.</p><p>unlike the mindless hoards flocking to electric/hybrid cars because they are good for Mother Earth, even though the electricity to charge the electric cars mainly comes from hydro carbon based power plants and the hybrid cars have manufacturing processes that cause more harm then the entire life cycle of a Hummer. i for one just want cheap semi clean power.</p><p>better not show this story to any of the fools worried about deforestation in the US... and what ever you do don't bring up the fact that with the need for more trees the industry will plant more trees. then they'll give you some lame argument about the fuzzy bunnies not liking living in these man made forests. seriously.</p><p>can't make anybody happy anymore. somebody is going to bitch about this technology. using trees for power is going to get bad press. mark my words. it kind of makes me smile though. like the California case of the solar power panel guy vs the large tree blocking his sun guy.<br><a href="http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/sf/green-ideas/redwoods-vs-solar-panels-042727" title="apartmenttherapy.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/sf/green-ideas/redwoods-vs-solar-panels-042727</a> [apartmenttherapy.com] the mindless freaks are beside themselves over who to support and which is better for the earth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>at least you are applying logic and thought to the situation at hand.unlike the mindless hoards flocking to electric/hybrid cars because they are good for Mother Earth , even though the electricity to charge the electric cars mainly comes from hydro carbon based power plants and the hybrid cars have manufacturing processes that cause more harm then the entire life cycle of a Hummer .
i for one just want cheap semi clean power.better not show this story to any of the fools worried about deforestation in the US... and what ever you do do n't bring up the fact that with the need for more trees the industry will plant more trees .
then they 'll give you some lame argument about the fuzzy bunnies not liking living in these man made forests .
seriously.ca n't make anybody happy anymore .
somebody is going to bitch about this technology .
using trees for power is going to get bad press .
mark my words .
it kind of makes me smile though .
like the California case of the solar power panel guy vs the large tree blocking his sun guy.http : //www.apartmenttherapy.com/sf/green-ideas/redwoods-vs-solar-panels-042727 [ apartmenttherapy.com ] the mindless freaks are beside themselves over who to support and which is better for the earth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>at least you are applying logic and thought to the situation at hand.unlike the mindless hoards flocking to electric/hybrid cars because they are good for Mother Earth, even though the electricity to charge the electric cars mainly comes from hydro carbon based power plants and the hybrid cars have manufacturing processes that cause more harm then the entire life cycle of a Hummer.
i for one just want cheap semi clean power.better not show this story to any of the fools worried about deforestation in the US... and what ever you do don't bring up the fact that with the need for more trees the industry will plant more trees.
then they'll give you some lame argument about the fuzzy bunnies not liking living in these man made forests.
seriously.can't make anybody happy anymore.
somebody is going to bitch about this technology.
using trees for power is going to get bad press.
mark my words.
it kind of makes me smile though.
like the California case of the solar power panel guy vs the large tree blocking his sun guy.http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/sf/green-ideas/redwoods-vs-solar-panels-042727 [apartmenttherapy.com] the mindless freaks are beside themselves over who to support and which is better for the earth.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30417052</id>
	<title>Is nanotech the new asbestos?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260611160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2008/05/nanotechnolog-1.html" title="lowtechmagazine.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2008/05/nanotechnolog-1.html</a> [lowtechmagazine.com]</p><p>Remember kids, if something sounds too good to be true...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.lowtechmagazine.com/2008/05/nanotechnolog-1.html [ lowtechmagazine.com ] Remember kids , if something sounds too good to be true.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2008/05/nanotechnolog-1.html [lowtechmagazine.com]Remember kids, if something sounds too good to be true...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30417028</id>
	<title>Re:What's the energy density?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260611040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its about the same as lead-acid
<br> <br>

It's good enough to power short-medium range electric cars without the short lifetime of lead acid batteries.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its about the same as lead-acid It 's good enough to power short-medium range electric cars without the short lifetime of lead acid batteries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its about the same as lead-acid
 

It's good enough to power short-medium range electric cars without the short lifetime of lead acid batteries.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416990</id>
	<title>Re:Nice, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260610800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The story isn't entirely clear, but it does say "the technique uses special ink made of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires". Based on that I would guess the ink may be made of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The story is n't entirely clear , but it does say " the technique uses special ink made of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires " .
Based on that I would guess the ink may be made of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The story isn't entirely clear, but it does say "the technique uses special ink made of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires".
Based on that I would guess the ink may be made of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416522</id>
	<title>I knew that oragami class would pay off someday</title>
	<author>jd2112</author>
	<datestamp>1260651060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anyone want a battery shaped like a frog?<br> <br>
I for one hope this technology isn't going to be made by HP or Lexmark...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone want a battery shaped like a frog ?
I for one hope this technology is n't going to be made by HP or Lexmark.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone want a battery shaped like a frog?
I for one hope this technology isn't going to be made by HP or Lexmark...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30421180</id>
	<title>maybe you could make a kite that would fly without</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260696120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>maybe you could make a kite that would fly without wind</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>maybe you could make a kite that would fly without wind</tokentext>
<sentencetext>maybe you could make a kite that would fly without wind</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416634</id>
	<title>Re:What's the energy density?</title>
	<author>sentientbeing</author>
	<datestamp>1260608580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>No duh. You carry around a jpg of the battery on your phone. When your battery is about to die, you go to a network printer, print off the jpg and replace the new battery.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No duh .
You carry around a jpg of the battery on your phone .
When your battery is about to die , you go to a network printer , print off the jpg and replace the new battery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No duh.
You carry around a jpg of the battery on your phone.
When your battery is about to die, you go to a network printer, print off the jpg and replace the new battery.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416460</id>
	<title>fancy ink</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260650700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ink made out of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires?  That will be almost as expensive as inkjet ink.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ink made out of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires ?
That will be almost as expensive as inkjet ink .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ink made out of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires?
That will be almost as expensive as inkjet ink.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30417162</id>
	<title>Re:Can make capacitors out of em too.</title>
	<author>Jane Q. Public</author>
	<datestamp>1260611760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But if you meant a transmitter... all the parts are already on the boat. That's even easier.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But if you meant a transmitter... all the parts are already on the boat .
That 's even easier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But if you meant a transmitter... all the parts are already on the boat.
That's even easier.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416312</id>
	<title>similar principle</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260649920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These paper based batteries appear to function in a very similar fashion to the algae derived cellulose batteries mentioned on Slashdot a while ago.  The paper probably acts as a support just as the algae cellulose particles did in the previously mentioned design.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These paper based batteries appear to function in a very similar fashion to the algae derived cellulose batteries mentioned on Slashdot a while ago .
The paper probably acts as a support just as the algae cellulose particles did in the previously mentioned design .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These paper based batteries appear to function in a very similar fashion to the algae derived cellulose batteries mentioned on Slashdot a while ago.
The paper probably acts as a support just as the algae cellulose particles did in the previously mentioned design.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30417048</id>
	<title>ePaper</title>
	<author>amRadioHed</author>
	<datestamp>1260611160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Would be neat if this could be used in combination with e-ink to make a self powered sheets of e-paper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would be neat if this could be used in combination with e-ink to make a self powered sheets of e-paper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would be neat if this could be used in combination with e-ink to make a self powered sheets of e-paper.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416762</id>
	<title>Science: it works, bitches.</title>
	<author>kemenaran</author>
	<datestamp>1260609540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The mighty power of science, striking again!

Some technologies just seem more *elegant* than others &mdash; and this one would be awesome.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The mighty power of science , striking again !
Some technologies just seem more * elegant * than others    and this one would be awesome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The mighty power of science, striking again!
Some technologies just seem more *elegant* than others — and this one would be awesome.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30417038</id>
	<title>slightly misleading headline</title>
	<author>formfeed</author>
	<datestamp>1260611100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>they use carbon and silver. this is like "turning an apple into a battery" when you stick zinc and copper into it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>they use carbon and silver .
this is like " turning an apple into a battery " when you stick zinc and copper into it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they use carbon and silver.
this is like "turning an apple into a battery" when you stick zinc and copper into it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30417306</id>
	<title>Re:What's the energy density?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260612960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So use it as carbon fiber to build the structure of the car.... Sound perfectly plausible already at that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So use it as carbon fiber to build the structure of the car.... Sound perfectly plausible already at that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So use it as carbon fiber to build the structure of the car.... Sound perfectly plausible already at that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30418454</id>
	<title>Burning test</title>
	<author>C R Johnson</author>
	<datestamp>1260622860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My guess is there will be some particularly nasty smoke when they do get around to testing it by burning.</p><p>Thousands of carbon naontubes wafting away contaminating the room, furnishings, clothes, your child's fluffy toys doesn't seem like a good idea.</p><p>I sure as heck don't want to be subject to inhaling carbon nanotubes. Not even one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My guess is there will be some particularly nasty smoke when they do get around to testing it by burning.Thousands of carbon naontubes wafting away contaminating the room , furnishings , clothes , your child 's fluffy toys does n't seem like a good idea.I sure as heck do n't want to be subject to inhaling carbon nanotubes .
Not even one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My guess is there will be some particularly nasty smoke when they do get around to testing it by burning.Thousands of carbon naontubes wafting away contaminating the room, furnishings, clothes, your child's fluffy toys doesn't seem like a good idea.I sure as heck don't want to be subject to inhaling carbon nanotubes.
Not even one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30418820</id>
	<title>Re:Nice, but...</title>
	<author>CarpetShark</author>
	<datestamp>1260627540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>How fast an you charge it without it bursting into flames?</p></div></blockquote><p>With a spear, or on horseback?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How fast an you charge it without it bursting into flames ? With a spear , or on horseback ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How fast an you charge it without it bursting into flames?With a spear, or on horseback?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30418592</id>
	<title>Re:Nice, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260624300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Silver oxidizes and loses surface conductivity. Any protective coating will prevent conductance. How will this be stable?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Silver oxidizes and loses surface conductivity .
Any protective coating will prevent conductance .
How will this be stable ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Silver oxidizes and loses surface conductivity.
Any protective coating will prevent conductance.
How will this be stable?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416432</id>
	<title>Cost of silver</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260650580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>How much silver is actually sued in these batteries? Will availability be an issue? Does it work with other conductive materials like copper or aluminum?

Intuitively I suspect the problem here will be energy density for the simple reason it is the one thing they did not promise would be awesome. That said with the tesla beating 500km recently these batteries coudl eprform well even if they had half of Li-Ion energy density.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How much silver is actually sued in these batteries ?
Will availability be an issue ?
Does it work with other conductive materials like copper or aluminum ?
Intuitively I suspect the problem here will be energy density for the simple reason it is the one thing they did not promise would be awesome .
That said with the tesla beating 500km recently these batteries coudl eprform well even if they had half of Li-Ion energy density .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much silver is actually sued in these batteries?
Will availability be an issue?
Does it work with other conductive materials like copper or aluminum?
Intuitively I suspect the problem here will be energy density for the simple reason it is the one thing they did not promise would be awesome.
That said with the tesla beating 500km recently these batteries coudl eprform well even if they had half of Li-Ion energy density.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416392</id>
	<title>Can make capacitors out of em too.</title>
	<author>gblackwo</author>
	<datestamp>1260650400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You just need a graphite pencil and a piece of paper. Will a paper battery help build gilligan a radio?- probably not.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You just need a graphite pencil and a piece of paper .
Will a paper battery help build gilligan a radio ? - probably not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You just need a graphite pencil and a piece of paper.
Will a paper battery help build gilligan a radio?- probably not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30416896</id>
	<title>Printable Vs Paper</title>
	<author>LtCol Burrito</author>
	<datestamp>1260610320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>While most of the posts so far have focused on the paper aspect, what's interesting to me is the fact that the batteries can be printed.  Assuming that you don't need the paper, this opens up a pretty significant world of possibilities.  For example, imagine a solar powered aircraft that has the energy stored in the paint?  This would give a pretty significant performance increase due to the lack of need for a standard battery. <br> <br>

Also, if there's no need for paper, could you use it as a liquid? Pour it into the interstitial space of your machine? The potential for space savings are staggering.</htmltext>
<tokenext>While most of the posts so far have focused on the paper aspect , what 's interesting to me is the fact that the batteries can be printed .
Assuming that you do n't need the paper , this opens up a pretty significant world of possibilities .
For example , imagine a solar powered aircraft that has the energy stored in the paint ?
This would give a pretty significant performance increase due to the lack of need for a standard battery .
Also , if there 's no need for paper , could you use it as a liquid ?
Pour it into the interstitial space of your machine ?
The potential for space savings are staggering .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While most of the posts so far have focused on the paper aspect, what's interesting to me is the fact that the batteries can be printed.
Assuming that you don't need the paper, this opens up a pretty significant world of possibilities.
For example, imagine a solar powered aircraft that has the energy stored in the paint?
This would give a pretty significant performance increase due to the lack of need for a standard battery.
Also, if there's no need for paper, could you use it as a liquid?
Pour it into the interstitial space of your machine?
The potential for space savings are staggering.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_180248.30420802</id>
	<title>Re:Nice, but...</title>
	<author>squidfood</author>
	<datestamp>1260647100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think this is one of those ideas that just sounds good on paper.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this is one of those ideas that just sounds good on paper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this is one of those ideas that just sounds good on paper.</sentencetext>
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