<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_11_2048248</id>
	<title>Apple Counter-Sues Nokia Over Patents</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1260524400000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>adeelarshad82 writes <i>"About two months ago <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/10/22/1541220/Nokia-Sues-Apple-For-Patent-Infringement-In-iPhone">Nokia sued Apple</a> for infringing Nokia patents in its iPhone. The 10 patents in the lawsuit, filed in the US state of Delaware, relate to technologies fundamental for devices using GSM, UMTS and/or local area network (LAN) standards. The patents cover wireless data, speech coding, security and encryption and are infringed by all Apple iPhone models shipped since the iPhone was introduced in 2007. In the latest development to the case, Apple said Friday that it had <a href="http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2357039,00.asp">filed its own suit against Nokia</a>, countering Nokia's claims of patent infringement with its own."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>adeelarshad82 writes " About two months ago Nokia sued Apple for infringing Nokia patents in its iPhone .
The 10 patents in the lawsuit , filed in the US state of Delaware , relate to technologies fundamental for devices using GSM , UMTS and/or local area network ( LAN ) standards .
The patents cover wireless data , speech coding , security and encryption and are infringed by all Apple iPhone models shipped since the iPhone was introduced in 2007 .
In the latest development to the case , Apple said Friday that it had filed its own suit against Nokia , countering Nokia 's claims of patent infringement with its own .
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<sentencetext>adeelarshad82 writes "About two months ago Nokia sued Apple for infringing Nokia patents in its iPhone.
The 10 patents in the lawsuit, filed in the US state of Delaware, relate to technologies fundamental for devices using GSM, UMTS and/or local area network (LAN) standards.
The patents cover wireless data, speech coding, security and encryption and are infringed by all Apple iPhone models shipped since the iPhone was introduced in 2007.
In the latest development to the case, Apple said Friday that it had filed its own suit against Nokia, countering Nokia's claims of patent infringement with its own.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30410926</id>
	<title>Re:AM I reading the subtext right?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260552180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you miss the part about "standards" in your own post?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you miss the part about " standards " in your own post ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you miss the part about "standards" in your own post?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30409672</id>
	<title>Re:maybe they should just pay up</title>
	<author>DurendalMac</author>
	<datestamp>1260542460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apparently some people get the opposite effect from Jobs' reality distortion field. Let's see here...<br> <br>

Mach: It's open source. So long as Apple abides by the license (which they do), there is no possible way they can "steal" it.<br>
Objective-C: Apple is far from the only ones to have an Obj-C language. And the funny thing is that NeXT was the first company to license it, which Apple later purchased. Yep, obtaining a license certainly equates to theft!<br>
MP3 Players: Are you fucking serious? Apple was far from the first to make an MP3 player. They were simply the most successful. Holy crap, Sony ripped off the inventor of the wax cylinder by making the Walkman!<br>
Multitouch: Apple purchased Fingerworks, who had developed a number of multitouch technologies and interfaces. Again, buying is stealing?<br>
The App Store: You can't possibly be fucking serious.<br>
Song recommendations: See above. You mean they can recommend something based on something else you bought? WOW, they stole that...from the rest of the ENTIRE FUCKING INDUSTRY.<br>
Phone cameras: Holy. Fucking. Shit. I'm not even going to address this.<br> <br>

Words cannot describe just how incredibly stupid you really are.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently some people get the opposite effect from Jobs ' reality distortion field .
Let 's see here.. . Mach : It 's open source .
So long as Apple abides by the license ( which they do ) , there is no possible way they can " steal " it .
Objective-C : Apple is far from the only ones to have an Obj-C language .
And the funny thing is that NeXT was the first company to license it , which Apple later purchased .
Yep , obtaining a license certainly equates to theft !
MP3 Players : Are you fucking serious ?
Apple was far from the first to make an MP3 player .
They were simply the most successful .
Holy crap , Sony ripped off the inventor of the wax cylinder by making the Walkman !
Multitouch : Apple purchased Fingerworks , who had developed a number of multitouch technologies and interfaces .
Again , buying is stealing ?
The App Store : You ca n't possibly be fucking serious .
Song recommendations : See above .
You mean they can recommend something based on something else you bought ?
WOW , they stole that...from the rest of the ENTIRE FUCKING INDUSTRY .
Phone cameras : Holy .
Fucking. Shit .
I 'm not even going to address this .
Words can not describe just how incredibly stupid you really are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently some people get the opposite effect from Jobs' reality distortion field.
Let's see here... 

Mach: It's open source.
So long as Apple abides by the license (which they do), there is no possible way they can "steal" it.
Objective-C: Apple is far from the only ones to have an Obj-C language.
And the funny thing is that NeXT was the first company to license it, which Apple later purchased.
Yep, obtaining a license certainly equates to theft!
MP3 Players: Are you fucking serious?
Apple was far from the first to make an MP3 player.
They were simply the most successful.
Holy crap, Sony ripped off the inventor of the wax cylinder by making the Walkman!
Multitouch: Apple purchased Fingerworks, who had developed a number of multitouch technologies and interfaces.
Again, buying is stealing?
The App Store: You can't possibly be fucking serious.
Song recommendations: See above.
You mean they can recommend something based on something else you bought?
WOW, they stole that...from the rest of the ENTIRE FUCKING INDUSTRY.
Phone cameras: Holy.
Fucking. Shit.
I'm not even going to address this.
Words cannot describe just how incredibly stupid you really are.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407428</id>
	<title>AM I reading the subtext right?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260528600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apple is complaining that Nokia isn't offering the Standards based cell phones on Reasonable and Nondiscriminatory basis? Isn't Nokia required to do that as part of submitting those patents as part of the GSM standard.

It stated that in the lawsuit that nokia wanted a patent cross-license agreement with apple for the rights to the GSM patents. That's not reasonable and nondiscriminatory.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple is complaining that Nokia is n't offering the Standards based cell phones on Reasonable and Nondiscriminatory basis ?
Is n't Nokia required to do that as part of submitting those patents as part of the GSM standard .
It stated that in the lawsuit that nokia wanted a patent cross-license agreement with apple for the rights to the GSM patents .
That 's not reasonable and nondiscriminatory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple is complaining that Nokia isn't offering the Standards based cell phones on Reasonable and Nondiscriminatory basis?
Isn't Nokia required to do that as part of submitting those patents as part of the GSM standard.
It stated that in the lawsuit that nokia wanted a patent cross-license agreement with apple for the rights to the GSM patents.
That's not reasonable and nondiscriminatory.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407372</id>
	<title>CEO Battle</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260528180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let's just put the CEO from both companies into a ring and have them fight it out.  Whoever wins gets everything including the black turtleneck!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's just put the CEO from both companies into a ring and have them fight it out .
Whoever wins gets everything including the black turtleneck !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's just put the CEO from both companies into a ring and have them fight it out.
Whoever wins gets everything including the black turtleneck!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30408272</id>
	<title>Re:Full text of Apple countersuit + patents</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260533580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you read the patents in the list? It looks darn near what you'd expect to see from an IP troll that collected a bunch of old, dusty patents from the '90. For instance, for the first one I wonder if a USB license would not cover it by default.</p><p>Sure, MAD and all that - I'll grab the popcorn and wait for a settlement - but seeing as Nokia invoked GSM patents and Apple came up with patents on granma's shoes I'm wondering what else Nokia can dig up from grampa's closet to add to its claims. If 90's is the best Apple can come up with then their 'innovator' stance is laughable and they're likely to be the ones to cough up the cash. This looks more like a 'you'll get less cash for the GSM patents because we're throwing in these licenses for FREE'</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you read the patents in the list ?
It looks darn near what you 'd expect to see from an IP troll that collected a bunch of old , dusty patents from the '90 .
For instance , for the first one I wonder if a USB license would not cover it by default.Sure , MAD and all that - I 'll grab the popcorn and wait for a settlement - but seeing as Nokia invoked GSM patents and Apple came up with patents on granma 's shoes I 'm wondering what else Nokia can dig up from grampa 's closet to add to its claims .
If 90 's is the best Apple can come up with then their 'innovator ' stance is laughable and they 're likely to be the ones to cough up the cash .
This looks more like a 'you 'll get less cash for the GSM patents because we 're throwing in these licenses for FREE'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you read the patents in the list?
It looks darn near what you'd expect to see from an IP troll that collected a bunch of old, dusty patents from the '90.
For instance, for the first one I wonder if a USB license would not cover it by default.Sure, MAD and all that - I'll grab the popcorn and wait for a settlement - but seeing as Nokia invoked GSM patents and Apple came up with patents on granma's shoes I'm wondering what else Nokia can dig up from grampa's closet to add to its claims.
If 90's is the best Apple can come up with then their 'innovator' stance is laughable and they're likely to be the ones to cough up the cash.
This looks more like a 'you'll get less cash for the GSM patents because we're throwing in these licenses for FREE'</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30455968</id>
	<title>They are fighting like little children</title>
	<author>ThePadrinoDotCom</author>
	<datestamp>1259672160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They are fighting like little children Little tiny ones at that



<a href="http://www.thepadrino.com/" title="thepadrino.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thepadrino.com/</a> [thepadrino.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are fighting like little children Little tiny ones at that http : //www.thepadrino.com/ [ thepadrino.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are fighting like little children Little tiny ones at that



http://www.thepadrino.com/ [thepadrino.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30412020</id>
	<title>Why dont we</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260609420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>just stop fucking around and get rid of this fuckedup apple crap once and for all time jobs sucks apple sucks  all apple products suck even bigger the jerks mincing down the road Oh look at me on my iPhone you fucked up 2 bit faggot  all apple users are faggots .</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>just stop fucking around and get rid of this fuckedup apple crap once and for all time jobs sucks apple sucks all apple products suck even bigger the jerks mincing down the road Oh look at me on my iPhone you fucked up 2 bit faggot all apple users are faggots .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>just stop fucking around and get rid of this fuckedup apple crap once and for all time jobs sucks apple sucks  all apple products suck even bigger the jerks mincing down the road Oh look at me on my iPhone you fucked up 2 bit faggot  all apple users are faggots .</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407956</id>
	<title>Re:AM I reading the subtext right?</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1260531480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nokia contributed greatly to the development of those standards. As I understand you expect they hand it over for everybody to use without, say, expectation of mutual recognition?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nokia contributed greatly to the development of those standards .
As I understand you expect they hand it over for everybody to use without , say , expectation of mutual recognition ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nokia contributed greatly to the development of those standards.
As I understand you expect they hand it over for everybody to use without, say, expectation of mutual recognition?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30409196</id>
	<title>Re:Resolution</title>
	<author>jipn4</author>
	<datestamp>1260539280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are there any interesting patents Apple actually holds on phone technologies?  Based on the list I saw earlier, there was nothing that was particularly interesting.</p><p>Maybe Nokia wants licenses for the multitouch patents.  I think Nokia, Google, and Microsoft should just get together and have Apple's multi-touch patents invalidated since there is prior art.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are there any interesting patents Apple actually holds on phone technologies ?
Based on the list I saw earlier , there was nothing that was particularly interesting.Maybe Nokia wants licenses for the multitouch patents .
I think Nokia , Google , and Microsoft should just get together and have Apple 's multi-touch patents invalidated since there is prior art .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are there any interesting patents Apple actually holds on phone technologies?
Based on the list I saw earlier, there was nothing that was particularly interesting.Maybe Nokia wants licenses for the multitouch patents.
I think Nokia, Google, and Microsoft should just get together and have Apple's multi-touch patents invalidated since there is prior art.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30412990</id>
	<title>Re:I'm rubber and you're glue...</title>
	<author>JAlexoi</author>
	<datestamp>1260624000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Nonsense. Nokia *has* touch screen phones. Apple did not sue them.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Since Apple did not invent the touchscreen, just patented some specific thing, those patents might not yet apply to existing Nokia phones with touchscreen.</p><blockquote><div><p>Because *they are*. They struck first. How is that so difficult?</p></div></blockquote><p>
Nokia is in fact the "agressor" here, but not in any bad sense. Since they only filed the lawsuit after their talks broke down. (Imagine, you being called bad guy just because you filed a suite against your neighbour, because his dog was constantly destroying your property.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nonsense .
Nokia * has * touch screen phones .
Apple did not sue them .
Since Apple did not invent the touchscreen , just patented some specific thing , those patents might not yet apply to existing Nokia phones with touchscreen.Because * they are * .
They struck first .
How is that so difficult ?
Nokia is in fact the " agressor " here , but not in any bad sense .
Since they only filed the lawsuit after their talks broke down .
( Imagine , you being called bad guy just because you filed a suite against your neighbour , because his dog was constantly destroying your property .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nonsense.
Nokia *has* touch screen phones.
Apple did not sue them.
Since Apple did not invent the touchscreen, just patented some specific thing, those patents might not yet apply to existing Nokia phones with touchscreen.Because *they are*.
They struck first.
How is that so difficult?
Nokia is in fact the "agressor" here, but not in any bad sense.
Since they only filed the lawsuit after their talks broke down.
(Imagine, you being called bad guy just because you filed a suite against your neighbour, because his dog was constantly destroying your property.
)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30411466</id>
	<title>Nokia is making a mockery of all Finns</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260557820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let's take a look at these patents:<p><div class="quote"><p>No. 5,555,369: Method of creating packages for a pointer-based computer system
No. 6,239,795 B1: Pattern and color abstraction in a graphical user interface
No. 5,315,703: Object-oriented notification framework system
No. 6,189,034 B1: Method and apparatus for dynamic launching of a teleconferencing application upon receipt of a call
No. 7,469,381, B2: List scrolling and document translation, scaling, and rotation on a touch-screen display
No. RE 39, 486 E: Extensible, replaceable network component system
No. 5,455,854: Object-oriented telephony system
No. 5, 379,431: Boot framework architecture for dynamic staged initial program load
No. 5,634,074 : Serial I/O device identifies itself to a computer through a serial interface during power on reset then it is being configured by the computer
No. 5,915,131 : Method and apparatus for handling I/O requests utilizing separate programming interfaces to access separate I/O services
No. 7,383,453 B2: Conserving power by reducing voltage supplied to an instruction-processing portion of a processor
No. 5,848,105: GMSK signal processors for improved communications capacity and quality
No. 6,343,263 B1 : Real-time signal processing system for serially transmitted data</p></div><p>Is Nokia trying to patent object oriented programming? How are any of these patents only directly related to cellular phones? I see nothing specific to cell phones. These patents should never have been granted in the first place. Should I patent "Object Oriented method of storing information in memory", sue the hell out of all software developers that implement objects storing data and file an injunction to prevent future violations? That patent would halt all OOP software development.
</p><p>
I would tell Nokia to go to hell and lobby my country's government to implement trade embargo on all Nokia products.
</p><p>
I'm a finn but I think Nokia needs to have their ass handed to them in court and have all of those patents revoked.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Let 's take a look at these patents : No .
5,555,369 : Method of creating packages for a pointer-based computer system No .
6,239,795 B1 : Pattern and color abstraction in a graphical user interface No .
5,315,703 : Object-oriented notification framework system No .
6,189,034 B1 : Method and apparatus for dynamic launching of a teleconferencing application upon receipt of a call No .
7,469,381 , B2 : List scrolling and document translation , scaling , and rotation on a touch-screen display No .
RE 39 , 486 E : Extensible , replaceable network component system No .
5,455,854 : Object-oriented telephony system No .
5 , 379,431 : Boot framework architecture for dynamic staged initial program load No .
5,634,074 : Serial I/O device identifies itself to a computer through a serial interface during power on reset then it is being configured by the computer No .
5,915,131 : Method and apparatus for handling I/O requests utilizing separate programming interfaces to access separate I/O services No .
7,383,453 B2 : Conserving power by reducing voltage supplied to an instruction-processing portion of a processor No .
5,848,105 : GMSK signal processors for improved communications capacity and quality No .
6,343,263 B1 : Real-time signal processing system for serially transmitted dataIs Nokia trying to patent object oriented programming ?
How are any of these patents only directly related to cellular phones ?
I see nothing specific to cell phones .
These patents should never have been granted in the first place .
Should I patent " Object Oriented method of storing information in memory " , sue the hell out of all software developers that implement objects storing data and file an injunction to prevent future violations ?
That patent would halt all OOP software development .
I would tell Nokia to go to hell and lobby my country 's government to implement trade embargo on all Nokia products .
I 'm a finn but I think Nokia needs to have their ass handed to them in court and have all of those patents revoked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's take a look at these patents:No.
5,555,369: Method of creating packages for a pointer-based computer system
No.
6,239,795 B1: Pattern and color abstraction in a graphical user interface
No.
5,315,703: Object-oriented notification framework system
No.
6,189,034 B1: Method and apparatus for dynamic launching of a teleconferencing application upon receipt of a call
No.
7,469,381, B2: List scrolling and document translation, scaling, and rotation on a touch-screen display
No.
RE 39, 486 E: Extensible, replaceable network component system
No.
5,455,854: Object-oriented telephony system
No.
5, 379,431: Boot framework architecture for dynamic staged initial program load
No.
5,634,074 : Serial I/O device identifies itself to a computer through a serial interface during power on reset then it is being configured by the computer
No.
5,915,131 : Method and apparatus for handling I/O requests utilizing separate programming interfaces to access separate I/O services
No.
7,383,453 B2: Conserving power by reducing voltage supplied to an instruction-processing portion of a processor
No.
5,848,105: GMSK signal processors for improved communications capacity and quality
No.
6,343,263 B1 : Real-time signal processing system for serially transmitted dataIs Nokia trying to patent object oriented programming?
How are any of these patents only directly related to cellular phones?
I see nothing specific to cell phones.
These patents should never have been granted in the first place.
Should I patent "Object Oriented method of storing information in memory", sue the hell out of all software developers that implement objects storing data and file an injunction to prevent future violations?
That patent would halt all OOP software development.
I would tell Nokia to go to hell and lobby my country's government to implement trade embargo on all Nokia products.
I'm a finn but I think Nokia needs to have their ass handed to them in court and have all of those patents revoked.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30409904</id>
	<title>Re:AM I reading the subtext right?</title>
	<author>jpmorgan</author>
	<datestamp>1260543960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No. Nokia offers the patents to everyone under 'Reasonable and Nondiscriminatory' terms, since they're essential for implementation of several wireless technologies. Literally everybody else in the industry licenses them. But Apple doesn't want to pay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
Nokia offers the patents to everyone under 'Reasonable and Nondiscriminatory ' terms , since they 're essential for implementation of several wireless technologies .
Literally everybody else in the industry licenses them .
But Apple does n't want to pay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
Nokia offers the patents to everyone under 'Reasonable and Nondiscriminatory' terms, since they're essential for implementation of several wireless technologies.
Literally everybody else in the industry licenses them.
But Apple doesn't want to pay.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30429892</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia is making a mockery of all Finns</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260798480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just ignore him, he states he's a Finn, but it was only the other week that he was a Canadian:</p><p><a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1452090&amp;cid=30178752" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1452090&amp;cid=30178752</a> [slashdot.org]</p><p>He's an Apple fanboy of the worst kind, a troll who can't even keep his story straight. Not worth wasting your time on.</p><p>It's quite telling that even now that people have pointed out how he got the companies wrong he's still trying to twist it as Nokia's fault.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just ignore him , he states he 's a Finn , but it was only the other week that he was a Canadian : http : //slashdot.org/comments.pl ? sid = 1452090&amp;cid = 30178752 [ slashdot.org ] He 's an Apple fanboy of the worst kind , a troll who ca n't even keep his story straight .
Not worth wasting your time on.It 's quite telling that even now that people have pointed out how he got the companies wrong he 's still trying to twist it as Nokia 's fault .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just ignore him, he states he's a Finn, but it was only the other week that he was a Canadian:http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1452090&amp;cid=30178752 [slashdot.org]He's an Apple fanboy of the worst kind, a troll who can't even keep his story straight.
Not worth wasting your time on.It's quite telling that even now that people have pointed out how he got the companies wrong he's still trying to twist it as Nokia's fault.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30413030</id>
	<title>Re:That would mean glorious times ahead for Nokia</title>
	<author>cntThnkofAname</author>
	<datestamp>1260624420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Hmmm I dunno, I have a personal theory that Jobs is an android from the future (lame OS punning not intended). I don't even need facts to back this up. Just check out the apple website, everything is shiny and starts with a lowercase "i". As most of my non technical friends insist apple has better and faster components... Instead of argue with them, I just shrug and suggest my theory which I have just shared with you guys<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmmm I dunno , I have a personal theory that Jobs is an android from the future ( lame OS punning not intended ) .
I do n't even need facts to back this up .
Just check out the apple website , everything is shiny and starts with a lowercase " i " .
As most of my non technical friends insist apple has better and faster components... Instead of argue with them , I just shrug and suggest my theory which I have just shared with you guys ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmmm I dunno, I have a personal theory that Jobs is an android from the future (lame OS punning not intended).
I don't even need facts to back this up.
Just check out the apple website, everything is shiny and starts with a lowercase "i".
As most of my non technical friends insist apple has better and faster components... Instead of argue with them, I just shrug and suggest my theory which I have just shared with you guys ;)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30413110</id>
	<title>Re:Full text of Apple countersuit + patents</title>
	<author>JAlexoi</author>
	<datestamp>1260625440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is the main stumbling point for Apple:<blockquote><div><p>The iPhone is a converged device...</p></div></blockquote><p>

Meaning that iPhone is not a technological advance, but just "repackaging". That implies that they used someone else's technology. Nokia holds most of GSM patents, so Apple must have had to use some of them.<br>
On the other hand, Nokia never did hide the fact that they would copy good ideas. But not all ideas are patentable, while most technology is.</p></div>
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<tokenext>This is the main stumbling point for Apple : The iPhone is a converged device.. . Meaning that iPhone is not a technological advance , but just " repackaging " .
That implies that they used someone else 's technology .
Nokia holds most of GSM patents , so Apple must have had to use some of them .
On the other hand , Nokia never did hide the fact that they would copy good ideas .
But not all ideas are patentable , while most technology is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the main stumbling point for Apple:The iPhone is a converged device...

Meaning that iPhone is not a technological advance, but just "repackaging".
That implies that they used someone else's technology.
Nokia holds most of GSM patents, so Apple must have had to use some of them.
On the other hand, Nokia never did hide the fact that they would copy good ideas.
But not all ideas are patentable, while most technology is.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30409364</id>
	<title>Re:I'm rubber and you're glue...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260540420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Apple is not doing this "because someone sued them". Apple made it clear that they were out to block Nokia from touch screen phones:</p></div><p>Nonsense. Nokia *has* touch screen phones. Apple did not sue them.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Apple has been building up for a patent war</p></div><p>Defensively, as evidenced by the fact that they did not sue first.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Nokia has no choice other than to strike before their N900 phones make them vulnerable.</p></div><p>That doesn't make any sense. How does initiating a suit about completely different technologies change anything with regards to touch screen patents? Nokia did not stave off a suit by their preemptive strike. In fact, they *brought it about*.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Remember Apple's lawsuit happy history was what caused the League for Programming Freedom.</p></div><p>Uh, that's a suit from twenty years ago, and one in which their partner (Microsoft) took proprietary knowledge from Apple to create a copy of their prized OS. This wasn't some sort of patent-troll style suit.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I guess the fact that so many seem to believe that Nokia is the agressor here</p></div><p>Because *they are*. They struck first. How is that so difficult?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>(remember, they've been trying to Negotiate for years before this suit came out)</p></div><p>So, again, Nokia went after Apple first?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>really does show that Apple can distort reality.</p></div><p>Those clever Apple folks! They can distort reality so completely that it wraps completely around on itself to where it started. Nokia struck first. Apple has been able to twist things so thoroughly that it even *looks* like Nokia struck first. Astounding!</p></div>
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<tokenext>Apple is not doing this " because someone sued them " .
Apple made it clear that they were out to block Nokia from touch screen phones : Nonsense .
Nokia * has * touch screen phones .
Apple did not sue them.Apple has been building up for a patent warDefensively , as evidenced by the fact that they did not sue first.Nokia has no choice other than to strike before their N900 phones make them vulnerable.That does n't make any sense .
How does initiating a suit about completely different technologies change anything with regards to touch screen patents ?
Nokia did not stave off a suit by their preemptive strike .
In fact , they * brought it about * .Remember Apple 's lawsuit happy history was what caused the League for Programming Freedom.Uh , that 's a suit from twenty years ago , and one in which their partner ( Microsoft ) took proprietary knowledge from Apple to create a copy of their prized OS .
This was n't some sort of patent-troll style suit.I guess the fact that so many seem to believe that Nokia is the agressor hereBecause * they are * .
They struck first .
How is that so difficult ?
( remember , they 've been trying to Negotiate for years before this suit came out ) So , again , Nokia went after Apple first ? really does show that Apple can distort reality.Those clever Apple folks !
They can distort reality so completely that it wraps completely around on itself to where it started .
Nokia struck first .
Apple has been able to twist things so thoroughly that it even * looks * like Nokia struck first .
Astounding !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple is not doing this "because someone sued them".
Apple made it clear that they were out to block Nokia from touch screen phones:Nonsense.
Nokia *has* touch screen phones.
Apple did not sue them.Apple has been building up for a patent warDefensively, as evidenced by the fact that they did not sue first.Nokia has no choice other than to strike before their N900 phones make them vulnerable.That doesn't make any sense.
How does initiating a suit about completely different technologies change anything with regards to touch screen patents?
Nokia did not stave off a suit by their preemptive strike.
In fact, they *brought it about*.Remember Apple's lawsuit happy history was what caused the League for Programming Freedom.Uh, that's a suit from twenty years ago, and one in which their partner (Microsoft) took proprietary knowledge from Apple to create a copy of their prized OS.
This wasn't some sort of patent-troll style suit.I guess the fact that so many seem to believe that Nokia is the agressor hereBecause *they are*.
They struck first.
How is that so difficult?
(remember, they've been trying to Negotiate for years before this suit came out)So, again, Nokia went after Apple first?really does show that Apple can distort reality.Those clever Apple folks!
They can distort reality so completely that it wraps completely around on itself to where it started.
Nokia struck first.
Apple has been able to twist things so thoroughly that it even *looks* like Nokia struck first.
Astounding!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407680</id>
	<title>Re:Resolution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260529980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple's multitouch patent is ridiculous, and it's one I don't think they want to license. While Nokia is doing the suing, I think this is a reasonable pre-emptive strike. That patent strangles smartphone competition.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple 's multitouch patent is ridiculous , and it 's one I do n't think they want to license .
While Nokia is doing the suing , I think this is a reasonable pre-emptive strike .
That patent strangles smartphone competition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple's multitouch patent is ridiculous, and it's one I don't think they want to license.
While Nokia is doing the suing, I think this is a reasonable pre-emptive strike.
That patent strangles smartphone competition.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30409282</id>
	<title>Re:Full text of Apple countersuit + patents</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260539880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Out of curiosity, exactly what Nokia device is Apple (or allthingsd.com) claiming to be a copy of the iPhone? Nokia has had touchscreen-based (though not multi-touch) devices, both with and without phone chips, since before the existence of the iPhone, and while most if not all such devices could play music, none of them (in my experience) could be said to have copied the iPhone's or iPod's user interface. Many of these devices have also had installable applications available, though again I don't know of any that use the iPhone's App Store model.</p><p>If there's a Nokia device out there that is a copy of the iPhone's "design and user interface", I'd love to see it. The closest thing that comes to mind is the N900, which runs Maemo Linux, and bears considerably little superficial resemblance to the iPhone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Out of curiosity , exactly what Nokia device is Apple ( or allthingsd.com ) claiming to be a copy of the iPhone ?
Nokia has had touchscreen-based ( though not multi-touch ) devices , both with and without phone chips , since before the existence of the iPhone , and while most if not all such devices could play music , none of them ( in my experience ) could be said to have copied the iPhone 's or iPod 's user interface .
Many of these devices have also had installable applications available , though again I do n't know of any that use the iPhone 's App Store model.If there 's a Nokia device out there that is a copy of the iPhone 's " design and user interface " , I 'd love to see it .
The closest thing that comes to mind is the N900 , which runs Maemo Linux , and bears considerably little superficial resemblance to the iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Out of curiosity, exactly what Nokia device is Apple (or allthingsd.com) claiming to be a copy of the iPhone?
Nokia has had touchscreen-based (though not multi-touch) devices, both with and without phone chips, since before the existence of the iPhone, and while most if not all such devices could play music, none of them (in my experience) could be said to have copied the iPhone's or iPod's user interface.
Many of these devices have also had installable applications available, though again I don't know of any that use the iPhone's App Store model.If there's a Nokia device out there that is a copy of the iPhone's "design and user interface", I'd love to see it.
The closest thing that comes to mind is the N900, which runs Maemo Linux, and bears considerably little superficial resemblance to the iPhone.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30408460</id>
	<title>Re:I'm rubber and you're glue...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260534420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apple is not doing this "because someone sued them".  Apple made it clear that they were out to block Nokia from touch screen phones:<p><div class="quote"><p>"We are watching the landscape," Cook told financial analysts. "We like competition, as long as they don't rip off our IP, and if they do, we're going to go after anybody that does."</p> </div><p> (<a href="http://www.informationweek.com/news/personal\_tech/iphone/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=212902952" title="informationweek.com" rel="nofollow">see here</a> [informationweek.com])

</p><p>Apple has been <a href="http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/01/27/iphone\_patent\_granted/" title="reghardware.co.uk" rel="nofollow">building up for a patent war</a> [reghardware.co.uk] and so Nokia has no choice other than to strike before their <a href="http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n900" title="nokia.com" rel="nofollow">N900 phones</a> [nokia.com] make them vulnerable.  Remember <a href="http://progfree.org/History/history.html" title="progfree.org" rel="nofollow">Apple's lawsuit happy history was what caused the League for Programming Freedom</a> [progfree.org].  I guess the fact that so many seem to believe that Nokia is the agressor here (remember, they've been trying to Negotiate for years before this suit came out) really does show that Apple can distort reality.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Apple is not doing this " because someone sued them " .
Apple made it clear that they were out to block Nokia from touch screen phones : " We are watching the landscape , " Cook told financial analysts .
" We like competition , as long as they do n't rip off our IP , and if they do , we 're going to go after anybody that does .
" ( see here [ informationweek.com ] ) Apple has been building up for a patent war [ reghardware.co.uk ] and so Nokia has no choice other than to strike before their N900 phones [ nokia.com ] make them vulnerable .
Remember Apple 's lawsuit happy history was what caused the League for Programming Freedom [ progfree.org ] .
I guess the fact that so many seem to believe that Nokia is the agressor here ( remember , they 've been trying to Negotiate for years before this suit came out ) really does show that Apple can distort reality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple is not doing this "because someone sued them".
Apple made it clear that they were out to block Nokia from touch screen phones:"We are watching the landscape," Cook told financial analysts.
"We like competition, as long as they don't rip off our IP, and if they do, we're going to go after anybody that does.
"  (see here [informationweek.com])

Apple has been building up for a patent war [reghardware.co.uk] and so Nokia has no choice other than to strike before their N900 phones [nokia.com] make them vulnerable.
Remember Apple's lawsuit happy history was what caused the League for Programming Freedom [progfree.org].
I guess the fact that so many seem to believe that Nokia is the agressor here (remember, they've been trying to Negotiate for years before this suit came out) really does show that Apple can distort reality.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407906</id>
	<title>That would mean glorious times ahead for Nokia</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1260531240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's one quite likely reason why Nokia CEO would possibly...destroy most corporate opponents:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Well into the mid-20th century, academic degrees remained important factors for politicians asking for the electorate's confidence. Likewise, <b>one's military rank in reserves has been a decisive factor on selecting leaders and managers both in the public and the private sector. Even today, most Finnish managers are amongst those who have attained either an NCO (non-commissioned officer) or a reserve officer rank during their conscript tour of duty.</b></p> </div><p>(emphasis mine, from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meritocracy#Grand\_Duchy\_of\_Finland" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meritocracy#Grand\_Duchy\_of\_Finland</a> [wikipedia.org] )</p></div>
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<tokenext>There 's one quite likely reason why Nokia CEO would possibly...destroy most corporate opponents : Well into the mid-20th century , academic degrees remained important factors for politicians asking for the electorate 's confidence .
Likewise , one 's military rank in reserves has been a decisive factor on selecting leaders and managers both in the public and the private sector .
Even today , most Finnish managers are amongst those who have attained either an NCO ( non-commissioned officer ) or a reserve officer rank during their conscript tour of duty .
( emphasis mine , from http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meritocracy # Grand \ _Duchy \ _of \ _Finland [ wikipedia.org ] )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's one quite likely reason why Nokia CEO would possibly...destroy most corporate opponents:Well into the mid-20th century, academic degrees remained important factors for politicians asking for the electorate's confidence.
Likewise, one's military rank in reserves has been a decisive factor on selecting leaders and managers both in the public and the private sector.
Even today, most Finnish managers are amongst those who have attained either an NCO (non-commissioned officer) or a reserve officer rank during their conscript tour of duty.
(emphasis mine, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meritocracy#Grand\_Duchy\_of\_Finland [wikipedia.org] )
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407400</id>
	<title>Nuke Delaware from orbit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260528360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's the only way to be sure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the only way to be sure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the only way to be sure.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407536</id>
	<title>Full text of Apple countersuit + patents</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260529140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20091211/apple-countersues-nokia/" title="allthingsd.com" rel="nofollow">Digital Daily has posted a list of the patents at issue here and the full text of Apple's counterclaims</a> [allthingsd.com] -- which are pretty brutal. "Excerpt: In 2007, Apple introduced the iPhone a ground-breaking device that allowed users access to the functionality of the already popular iPod on a revolutionary mobile phone and Internet device. The iPhone is a converged device that allows users to access and ever expanding set of software features to take and send pictures, play music, play games do research, serve as a GPS device and much more.The iPhone platform has caused a revolutionary change in the mobile phone category.</p><p>In contrast, Nokia made a different business decision and remained focused on traditional mobile wireless handsets with conventional user interfaces. As a result, Nokia has rapidly lost share in the market for high-end mobile phones. Nokia has admitted that, as a result of the iPhone launch, &ldquo;the market changed suddenly and [Nokia was] not fast enough changing with it.</p><p>In response, Nokia chose to copy the iPhone, especially its enormously popular and patented design and user interface."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Digital Daily has posted a list of the patents at issue here and the full text of Apple 's counterclaims [ allthingsd.com ] -- which are pretty brutal .
" Excerpt : In 2007 , Apple introduced the iPhone a ground-breaking device that allowed users access to the functionality of the already popular iPod on a revolutionary mobile phone and Internet device .
The iPhone is a converged device that allows users to access and ever expanding set of software features to take and send pictures , play music , play games do research , serve as a GPS device and much more.The iPhone platform has caused a revolutionary change in the mobile phone category.In contrast , Nokia made a different business decision and remained focused on traditional mobile wireless handsets with conventional user interfaces .
As a result , Nokia has rapidly lost share in the market for high-end mobile phones .
Nokia has admitted that , as a result of the iPhone launch ,    the market changed suddenly and [ Nokia was ] not fast enough changing with it.In response , Nokia chose to copy the iPhone , especially its enormously popular and patented design and user interface .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Digital Daily has posted a list of the patents at issue here and the full text of Apple's counterclaims [allthingsd.com] -- which are pretty brutal.
"Excerpt: In 2007, Apple introduced the iPhone a ground-breaking device that allowed users access to the functionality of the already popular iPod on a revolutionary mobile phone and Internet device.
The iPhone is a converged device that allows users to access and ever expanding set of software features to take and send pictures, play music, play games do research, serve as a GPS device and much more.The iPhone platform has caused a revolutionary change in the mobile phone category.In contrast, Nokia made a different business decision and remained focused on traditional mobile wireless handsets with conventional user interfaces.
As a result, Nokia has rapidly lost share in the market for high-end mobile phones.
Nokia has admitted that, as a result of the iPhone launch, “the market changed suddenly and [Nokia was] not fast enough changing with it.In response, Nokia chose to copy the iPhone, especially its enormously popular and patented design and user interface.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30435902</id>
	<title>Re:Resolution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260787440000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>A classic example of patents being used defensively by Apple to counter Nokia's offensive use.</i> </p><p>You make it sound as if Apple is the aggrieved party here.  But Apple has been pilfering other people's ideas and products liberally in order to create the iPhone.  Apple's contributions have largely been in excellent packaging, but they have innovated fairly little.  Nokia, on the other hand, has produce innovative phones with bad user interfaces.  I think the "offender" here really is Apple, and Nokia deserves a cut of Apple's financial success, given the relative contributions of the two companies to the mobile phone market.</p></div><p>Assuming you're right...You just validated Apple's claim. Apple is saying "look, we want to pay you for the patents you own, fair and square. But we want to pay the license that everyone else is paying."

Nokia is saying..."Yeah, beacuse you're Apple and you're stealing our money because you made a killer product, we'll charge you 300\% more AND require you to license our stuff back to us."</p></div>
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<tokenext>A classic example of patents being used defensively by Apple to counter Nokia 's offensive use .
You make it sound as if Apple is the aggrieved party here .
But Apple has been pilfering other people 's ideas and products liberally in order to create the iPhone .
Apple 's contributions have largely been in excellent packaging , but they have innovated fairly little .
Nokia , on the other hand , has produce innovative phones with bad user interfaces .
I think the " offender " here really is Apple , and Nokia deserves a cut of Apple 's financial success , given the relative contributions of the two companies to the mobile phone market.Assuming you 're right...You just validated Apple 's claim .
Apple is saying " look , we want to pay you for the patents you own , fair and square .
But we want to pay the license that everyone else is paying .
" Nokia is saying... " Yeah , beacuse you 're Apple and you 're stealing our money because you made a killer product , we 'll charge you 300 \ % more AND require you to license our stuff back to us .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext> A classic example of patents being used defensively by Apple to counter Nokia's offensive use.
You make it sound as if Apple is the aggrieved party here.
But Apple has been pilfering other people's ideas and products liberally in order to create the iPhone.
Apple's contributions have largely been in excellent packaging, but they have innovated fairly little.
Nokia, on the other hand, has produce innovative phones with bad user interfaces.
I think the "offender" here really is Apple, and Nokia deserves a cut of Apple's financial success, given the relative contributions of the two companies to the mobile phone market.Assuming you're right...You just validated Apple's claim.
Apple is saying "look, we want to pay you for the patents you own, fair and square.
But we want to pay the license that everyone else is paying.
"

Nokia is saying..."Yeah, beacuse you're Apple and you're stealing our money because you made a killer product, we'll charge you 300\% more AND require you to license our stuff back to us.
"
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407630</id>
	<title>but we patented the wheel!</title>
	<author>cfriedt</author>
	<datestamp>1260529740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Has Apple essentially admitted that they are infringing on Nokia's patents by not stating exactly which patents they're counter-suing for?</p><p>Maybe Apple thinks it can level out the playing field by saying 'we patented the ${x}', where ${x} can be any one of 'portable computing device', 'portable multimedia player', 'portable touch device', 'portable internet', 'portable camera', 'portable transistor', 'portable wheel',<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... , etc.</p><p>but we patented the portable media wheel<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... see?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... [click-click-click-click]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Has Apple essentially admitted that they are infringing on Nokia 's patents by not stating exactly which patents they 're counter-suing for ? Maybe Apple thinks it can level out the playing field by saying 'we patented the $ { x } ' , where $ { x } can be any one of 'portable computing device ' , 'portable multimedia player ' , 'portable touch device ' , 'portable internet ' , 'portable camera ' , 'portable transistor ' , 'portable wheel ' , ... , etc.but we patented the portable media wheel ... see ? ... [ click-click-click-click ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has Apple essentially admitted that they are infringing on Nokia's patents by not stating exactly which patents they're counter-suing for?Maybe Apple thinks it can level out the playing field by saying 'we patented the ${x}', where ${x} can be any one of 'portable computing device', 'portable multimedia player', 'portable touch device', 'portable internet', 'portable camera', 'portable transistor', 'portable wheel', ... , etc.but we patented the portable media wheel ... see? ... [click-click-click-click]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30411776</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia is making a mockery of all Finns</title>
	<author>Atypical Geek</author>
	<datestamp>1260648600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>You do realize that those are <i>Apple's</i> patents, right? Nokia actually holds patents on nearly every wireless technology known to man.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do realize that those are Apple 's patents , right ?
Nokia actually holds patents on nearly every wireless technology known to man .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do realize that those are Apple's patents, right?
Nokia actually holds patents on nearly every wireless technology known to man.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30409774</id>
	<title>Re:AM I reading the subtext right?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260543120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It stated that in the lawsuit that nokia wanted a patent cross-license agreement with apple for the rights to the GSM patents. That's not reasonable and nondiscriminatory.</p></div><p>Unreasonable, no. Discriminatory, possibly. If Nokia's patents are part of the specification, Apple should be allowed to license them under the same terms that others get.</p><p>What it sounds like is Nokia is trying to parlay their GSM patents into a license to use Apple's touch screen technology or some other patented item used in the iPhone. This is a very reasonable request, but Apple should have every right to consider the two licenses separately rather than cross licensing.</p><p>I can't tell whether that's what's actually going on here, but if Nokia is only offering to license the patents under a cross-licensing agreement without the option to pay the same licensing fees as others get, that's discriminatory.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It stated that in the lawsuit that nokia wanted a patent cross-license agreement with apple for the rights to the GSM patents .
That 's not reasonable and nondiscriminatory.Unreasonable , no .
Discriminatory , possibly .
If Nokia 's patents are part of the specification , Apple should be allowed to license them under the same terms that others get.What it sounds like is Nokia is trying to parlay their GSM patents into a license to use Apple 's touch screen technology or some other patented item used in the iPhone .
This is a very reasonable request , but Apple should have every right to consider the two licenses separately rather than cross licensing.I ca n't tell whether that 's what 's actually going on here , but if Nokia is only offering to license the patents under a cross-licensing agreement without the option to pay the same licensing fees as others get , that 's discriminatory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It stated that in the lawsuit that nokia wanted a patent cross-license agreement with apple for the rights to the GSM patents.
That's not reasonable and nondiscriminatory.Unreasonable, no.
Discriminatory, possibly.
If Nokia's patents are part of the specification, Apple should be allowed to license them under the same terms that others get.What it sounds like is Nokia is trying to parlay their GSM patents into a license to use Apple's touch screen technology or some other patented item used in the iPhone.
This is a very reasonable request, but Apple should have every right to consider the two licenses separately rather than cross licensing.I can't tell whether that's what's actually going on here, but if Nokia is only offering to license the patents under a cross-licensing agreement without the option to pay the same licensing fees as others get, that's discriminatory.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407428</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30409290</id>
	<title>Re:Resolution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260539940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, Apple explicitly refused to pay some of the fees every other phone anufacturer has agreed to for several licenses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , Apple explicitly refused to pay some of the fees every other phone anufacturer has agreed to for several licenses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, Apple explicitly refused to pay some of the fees every other phone anufacturer has agreed to for several licenses.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407762</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30411058</id>
	<title>Re:That would mean glorious times ahead for Nokia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260553440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo never went to army, what is uncommon in Finland.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo never went to army , what is uncommon in Finland .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo never went to army, what is uncommon in Finland.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407906</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30413180</id>
	<title>Re:That would mean glorious times ahead for Nokia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260626040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo did not service in the military, most propably exempted for medical reasons unless he is a jehovah's witness (strange exception in the finnish law) or he is from the demilitarized &#197;land region (he's not).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo did not service in the military , most propably exempted for medical reasons unless he is a jehovah 's witness ( strange exception in the finnish law ) or he is from the demilitarized   land region ( he 's not ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo did not service in the military, most propably exempted for medical reasons unless he is a jehovah's witness (strange exception in the finnish law) or he is from the demilitarized Åland region (he's not).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407906</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407558</id>
	<title>Patent fight!!!</title>
	<author>harmonise</author>
	<datestamp>1260529320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>[grabs popcorn]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>[ grabs popcorn ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[grabs popcorn]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407520</id>
	<title>the lawyers always win</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260529080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There will still be a winner in this case... the lawyers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There will still be a winner in this case... the lawyers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There will still be a winner in this case... the lawyers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407464</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407984</id>
	<title>Re:I'm rubber and you're glue...</title>
	<author>node 3</author>
	<datestamp>1260531660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's Apple supposed to do? Just eventually lose the patent case and pay up? The MAD patent defense is considered one of the "necessary evils" of the tech world.</p><p>When someone punches you, you punch back. Even if your principal is one of those idiots who, instead of trying to find out who thew the first punch, or who provoked who, just suspends both students.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's Apple supposed to do ?
Just eventually lose the patent case and pay up ?
The MAD patent defense is considered one of the " necessary evils " of the tech world.When someone punches you , you punch back .
Even if your principal is one of those idiots who , instead of trying to find out who thew the first punch , or who provoked who , just suspends both students .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's Apple supposed to do?
Just eventually lose the patent case and pay up?
The MAD patent defense is considered one of the "necessary evils" of the tech world.When someone punches you, you punch back.
Even if your principal is one of those idiots who, instead of trying to find out who thew the first punch, or who provoked who, just suspends both students.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407378</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407570</id>
	<title>Re:Resolution</title>
	<author>larry bagina</author>
	<datestamp>1260529380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apparently, that's what nokia wanted in the first place.  So Apple thinks they can win or at least get better terms.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently , that 's what nokia wanted in the first place .
So Apple thinks they can win or at least get better terms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently, that's what nokia wanted in the first place.
So Apple thinks they can win or at least get better terms.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407464</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30409092</id>
	<title>maybe they should just pay up</title>
	<author>jipn4</author>
	<datestamp>1260538320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>What's Apple supposed to do? Just eventually lose the patent case and pay up?</i></p><p>Most of what is responsible for the success of the iPhone--Mach, Objective-C, the GUI, MP3 players, multitouch, the app store, song recommendations, phone cameras--was invented elsewhere and simply copied ("stolen") by Apple.  So, yes, maybe Apple should just lose the patent case and pay up; there's a good chance that they really do owe the money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's Apple supposed to do ?
Just eventually lose the patent case and pay up ? Most of what is responsible for the success of the iPhone--Mach , Objective-C , the GUI , MP3 players , multitouch , the app store , song recommendations , phone cameras--was invented elsewhere and simply copied ( " stolen " ) by Apple .
So , yes , maybe Apple should just lose the patent case and pay up ; there 's a good chance that they really do owe the money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's Apple supposed to do?
Just eventually lose the patent case and pay up?Most of what is responsible for the success of the iPhone--Mach, Objective-C, the GUI, MP3 players, multitouch, the app store, song recommendations, phone cameras--was invented elsewhere and simply copied ("stolen") by Apple.
So, yes, maybe Apple should just lose the patent case and pay up; there's a good chance that they really do owe the money.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407984</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407650</id>
	<title>Re:the lawyers always win</title>
	<author>cfriedt</author>
	<datestamp>1260529800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>so very true...</htmltext>
<tokenext>so very true.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so very true...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407520</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407464</id>
	<title>Resolution</title>
	<author>whisper\_jeff</author>
	<datestamp>1260528780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Expect both cases to be dropped and an announcement of mutual licensing between the two companies in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... about three or four weeks.<br> <br>
A classic example of patents being used defensively by Apple to counter Nokia's offensive use.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Expect both cases to be dropped and an announcement of mutual licensing between the two companies in ... about three or four weeks .
A classic example of patents being used defensively by Apple to counter Nokia 's offensive use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Expect both cases to be dropped and an announcement of mutual licensing between the two companies in ... about three or four weeks.
A classic example of patents being used defensively by Apple to counter Nokia's offensive use.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407408</id>
	<title>OH SNAP.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260528420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Noki-O-NO-U-DIDN'T.  Break some lawyer off in their assets, Steve.  Show em how we do in CUPERTOWN.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Noki-O-NO-U-DID N'T .
Break some lawyer off in their assets , Steve .
Show em how we do in CUPERTOWN .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Noki-O-NO-U-DIDN'T.
Break some lawyer off in their assets, Steve.
Show em how we do in CUPERTOWN.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407912</id>
	<title>Re:Resolution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260531240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For the bazillionth time... Apple didn't patent multi-touch. The patented certain multitouch gestures</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For the bazillionth time... Apple did n't patent multi-touch .
The patented certain multitouch gestures</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the bazillionth time... Apple didn't patent multi-touch.
The patented certain multitouch gestures</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407680</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30409328</id>
	<title>what a bunch of hypocrites</title>
	<author>jipn4</author>
	<datestamp>1260540180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Apple introduced the iPhone a ground-breaking device that allowed users access to the functionality of the already popular iPod on a revolutionary mobile phone and Internet device. [...] In contrast, Nokia made a different business decision and remained focused on traditional mobile wireless handsets with conventional user interfaces.</i></p><p>Nokia had smartphones and touch screen devices long before the iPhone even existed.  Much of the iPhone is basically derived from the Palm Treo, the Danger Hiptop, Symbian, and the ideas of countless small developers and academics.  Instead of acknowledging their enormous intellectual debt to all these other companies and developers, Apple is claiming to have done it all themselves.</p><p>The iPhone has been engineered with the usual Apple gimmicks and flair, but technically, it is not a ground-breaking device in any area.  But, as is typical for Apple, first the rip everybody off, and then they claim that they are the aggrieved party.  They tried the same thing with the GUI and window systems and lost badly.  Apple is truly evil.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple introduced the iPhone a ground-breaking device that allowed users access to the functionality of the already popular iPod on a revolutionary mobile phone and Internet device .
[ ... ] In contrast , Nokia made a different business decision and remained focused on traditional mobile wireless handsets with conventional user interfaces.Nokia had smartphones and touch screen devices long before the iPhone even existed .
Much of the iPhone is basically derived from the Palm Treo , the Danger Hiptop , Symbian , and the ideas of countless small developers and academics .
Instead of acknowledging their enormous intellectual debt to all these other companies and developers , Apple is claiming to have done it all themselves.The iPhone has been engineered with the usual Apple gimmicks and flair , but technically , it is not a ground-breaking device in any area .
But , as is typical for Apple , first the rip everybody off , and then they claim that they are the aggrieved party .
They tried the same thing with the GUI and window systems and lost badly .
Apple is truly evil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple introduced the iPhone a ground-breaking device that allowed users access to the functionality of the already popular iPod on a revolutionary mobile phone and Internet device.
[...] In contrast, Nokia made a different business decision and remained focused on traditional mobile wireless handsets with conventional user interfaces.Nokia had smartphones and touch screen devices long before the iPhone even existed.
Much of the iPhone is basically derived from the Palm Treo, the Danger Hiptop, Symbian, and the ideas of countless small developers and academics.
Instead of acknowledging their enormous intellectual debt to all these other companies and developers, Apple is claiming to have done it all themselves.The iPhone has been engineered with the usual Apple gimmicks and flair, but technically, it is not a ground-breaking device in any area.
But, as is typical for Apple, first the rip everybody off, and then they claim that they are the aggrieved party.
They tried the same thing with the GUI and window systems and lost badly.
Apple is truly evil.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407536</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30408648</id>
	<title>Re:AM I reading the subtext right?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260535500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It stated that in the lawsuit that nokia wanted a patent cross-license agreement with apple for the rights to the GSM patents.</i></p><p>While I can't comment on the other patents yet, I find this one particularly crazy, since last I saw Apple does not manufacturer nor design nor sell GSM chips...</p><p>It would be like you buying a car from the dealer, then get sued for violating someones patent because the car manufacturer did just that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It stated that in the lawsuit that nokia wanted a patent cross-license agreement with apple for the rights to the GSM patents.While I ca n't comment on the other patents yet , I find this one particularly crazy , since last I saw Apple does not manufacturer nor design nor sell GSM chips...It would be like you buying a car from the dealer , then get sued for violating someones patent because the car manufacturer did just that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It stated that in the lawsuit that nokia wanted a patent cross-license agreement with apple for the rights to the GSM patents.While I can't comment on the other patents yet, I find this one particularly crazy, since last I saw Apple does not manufacturer nor design nor sell GSM chips...It would be like you buying a car from the dealer, then get sued for violating someones patent because the car manufacturer did just that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407428</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407730</id>
	<title>Re:Resolution</title>
	<author>KumquatOfSolace</author>
	<datestamp>1260530280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>Yes, this is very much standard practice in the industry.&nbsp; That's why big tech companies file so many patents -- ammunition in case they need it.<br><br>Unfortunately it doesn't work against patent trolls because they have no product to sell.</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , this is very much standard practice in the industry.   That 's why big tech companies file so many patents -- ammunition in case they need it.Unfortunately it does n't work against patent trolls because they have no product to sell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, this is very much standard practice in the industry.  That's why big tech companies file so many patents -- ammunition in case they need it.Unfortunately it doesn't work against patent trolls because they have no product to sell.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407464</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30408868</id>
	<title>Our economy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260536760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How awesome is it that our economy funnels heaps of money away from other projects (research, development, etc) and into making patents, regulating patents, and fighting over patents. The patent system is obviously our greatest invention ever, something we must prop up for years to come!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How awesome is it that our economy funnels heaps of money away from other projects ( research , development , etc ) and into making patents , regulating patents , and fighting over patents .
The patent system is obviously our greatest invention ever , something we must prop up for years to come !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How awesome is it that our economy funnels heaps of money away from other projects (research, development, etc) and into making patents, regulating patents, and fighting over patents.
The patent system is obviously our greatest invention ever, something we must prop up for years to come!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407532</id>
	<title>so its just like football?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260529140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>offsetting penalties.. replay the down.</p><p>-dirtbag</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>offsetting penalties.. replay the down.-dirtbag</tokentext>
<sentencetext>offsetting penalties.. replay the down.-dirtbag</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407628</id>
	<title>Nokia sues Apple for infringing technology patents</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1260529740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And Apple sues Nokia for what? The process for creating black shiny things?</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And Apple sues Nokia for what ?
The process for creating black shiny things ?
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>And Apple sues Nokia for what?
The process for creating black shiny things?
 </sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30408026</id>
	<title>Re:Resolution</title>
	<author>toppavak</author>
	<datestamp>1260532080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or a classic example of patents being used by Nokia to get cheap licensing to Apple IP</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or a classic example of patents being used by Nokia to get cheap licensing to Apple IP</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or a classic example of patents being used by Nokia to get cheap licensing to Apple IP</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407464</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30415858</id>
	<title>My Mistake. But nokia's patents are equally dumb</title>
	<author>aristotle-dude</author>
	<datestamp>1260646440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nokia has patented using Wifi on a cellphone. I'm sorry but the device is irrelevant. Unless Nokia invented WiFi, they have no business trying to patent some other person's work just because they implemented it on a new device. It is still a standard that was created by other people.
<p>
Also, it is inconceivable that Nokia wants to collect a percentage of the handset prices when, except for the cellular radio and related software, the iPhone is basically an iPod Touch and you don't see them going after Apple for it do you? If 70\% of the cost of the device is not covered by Nokia's patents, why should they get a percentage of the price of the entire device?
</p><p>
Furthermore, shouldn't it be Infineon and other suppliers of GSM related components who pay the royalty fees? Why should the handset makers pay?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nokia has patented using Wifi on a cellphone .
I 'm sorry but the device is irrelevant .
Unless Nokia invented WiFi , they have no business trying to patent some other person 's work just because they implemented it on a new device .
It is still a standard that was created by other people .
Also , it is inconceivable that Nokia wants to collect a percentage of the handset prices when , except for the cellular radio and related software , the iPhone is basically an iPod Touch and you do n't see them going after Apple for it do you ?
If 70 \ % of the cost of the device is not covered by Nokia 's patents , why should they get a percentage of the price of the entire device ?
Furthermore , should n't it be Infineon and other suppliers of GSM related components who pay the royalty fees ?
Why should the handset makers pay ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nokia has patented using Wifi on a cellphone.
I'm sorry but the device is irrelevant.
Unless Nokia invented WiFi, they have no business trying to patent some other person's work just because they implemented it on a new device.
It is still a standard that was created by other people.
Also, it is inconceivable that Nokia wants to collect a percentage of the handset prices when, except for the cellular radio and related software, the iPhone is basically an iPod Touch and you don't see them going after Apple for it do you?
If 70\% of the cost of the device is not covered by Nokia's patents, why should they get a percentage of the price of the entire device?
Furthermore, shouldn't it be Infineon and other suppliers of GSM related components who pay the royalty fees?
Why should the handset makers pay?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407416</id>
	<title>Just a small part</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260528480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"The patents Apple has allegedly infringed cover wireless data, speech coding, security and encryption"</i>
<p>

Uhhh...so like the whole frickin' thing...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The patents Apple has allegedly infringed cover wireless data , speech coding , security and encryption " Uhhh...so like the whole frickin ' thing.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The patents Apple has allegedly infringed cover wireless data, speech coding, security and encryption"


Uhhh...so like the whole frickin' thing...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30413080</id>
	<title>Re:Resolution</title>
	<author>JAlexoi</author>
	<datestamp>1260625080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That is the problem, Apple does not want to cross license.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That is the problem , Apple does not want to cross license .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is the problem, Apple does not want to cross license.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407464</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407398</id>
	<title>Who are these niggers?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260528300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nokia and Apple, what are their purpose?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nokia and Apple , what are their purpose ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nokia and Apple, what are their purpose?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407762</id>
	<title>Re:Resolution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260530400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not likely. The reason Nokia is suing Apple is that Apple refused to mutual licensing. Apple presumably wanted to pay the same licensing fee all other mobile manufacturers do, but Nokia wanted to swap their patents for Apple's.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not likely .
The reason Nokia is suing Apple is that Apple refused to mutual licensing .
Apple presumably wanted to pay the same licensing fee all other mobile manufacturers do , but Nokia wanted to swap their patents for Apple 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not likely.
The reason Nokia is suing Apple is that Apple refused to mutual licensing.
Apple presumably wanted to pay the same licensing fee all other mobile manufacturers do, but Nokia wanted to swap their patents for Apple's.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30408316</id>
	<title>Re:CEO Battle</title>
	<author>blind biker</author>
	<datestamp>1260533760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In that case Jobs is likely screwed. Kallasvuo is an asshole (I used to work in Nokia till that douche came to power) but he's fit: works out and does lots of sports. Jobs, well, his body has seen better days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In that case Jobs is likely screwed .
Kallasvuo is an asshole ( I used to work in Nokia till that douche came to power ) but he 's fit : works out and does lots of sports .
Jobs , well , his body has seen better days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In that case Jobs is likely screwed.
Kallasvuo is an asshole (I used to work in Nokia till that douche came to power) but he's fit: works out and does lots of sports.
Jobs, well, his body has seen better days.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407372</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407588</id>
	<title>Re:the lawyers always win</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260529440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>There will still be a winner in this case... the lawyers.</i>
<br>
<br>
Just like there's always a winner when someone has cancer... the doctors.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There will still be a winner in this case... the lawyers .
Just like there 's always a winner when someone has cancer... the doctors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There will still be a winner in this case... the lawyers.
Just like there's always a winner when someone has cancer... the doctors.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407520</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30409128</id>
	<title>Re:Resolution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260538620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>A classic example of patents being used defensively by Apple to counter Nokia's offensive use.</i></p><p>You make it sound as if Apple is the aggrieved party here.  But Apple has been pilfering other people's ideas and products liberally in order to create the iPhone.  Apple's contributions have largely been in excellent packaging, but they have innovated fairly little.  Nokia, on the other hand, has produce innovative phones with bad user interfaces.  I think the "offender" here really is Apple, and Nokia deserves a cut of Apple's financial success, given the relative contributions of the two companies to the mobile phone market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A classic example of patents being used defensively by Apple to counter Nokia 's offensive use.You make it sound as if Apple is the aggrieved party here .
But Apple has been pilfering other people 's ideas and products liberally in order to create the iPhone .
Apple 's contributions have largely been in excellent packaging , but they have innovated fairly little .
Nokia , on the other hand , has produce innovative phones with bad user interfaces .
I think the " offender " here really is Apple , and Nokia deserves a cut of Apple 's financial success , given the relative contributions of the two companies to the mobile phone market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A classic example of patents being used defensively by Apple to counter Nokia's offensive use.You make it sound as if Apple is the aggrieved party here.
But Apple has been pilfering other people's ideas and products liberally in order to create the iPhone.
Apple's contributions have largely been in excellent packaging, but they have innovated fairly little.
Nokia, on the other hand, has produce innovative phones with bad user interfaces.
I think the "offender" here really is Apple, and Nokia deserves a cut of Apple's financial success, given the relative contributions of the two companies to the mobile phone market.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407464</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407798</id>
	<title>Re:CEO Battle</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260530700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, and we could present it as a music video for Frankie Goes to Hollywood, entitled "Two Tribes 2009".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , and we could present it as a music video for Frankie Goes to Hollywood , entitled " Two Tribes 2009 " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, and we could present it as a music video for Frankie Goes to Hollywood, entitled "Two Tribes 2009".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30411310</id>
	<title>Re:I'm rubber and you're glue...</title>
	<author>oldhack</author>
	<datestamp>1260556200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>League of Programming Freedom?  Is that like FSF in Marvel comics universe?</htmltext>
<tokenext>League of Programming Freedom ?
Is that like FSF in Marvel comics universe ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>League of Programming Freedom?
Is that like FSF in Marvel comics universe?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30408460</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407378</id>
	<title>I'm rubber and you're glue...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260528240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wish they'd all grow up...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish they 'd all grow up.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish they'd all grow up...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30408786</id>
	<title>Re:That would mean glorious times ahead for Nokia</title>
	<author>r\_jensen11</author>
	<datestamp>1260536340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That quote is not surprising, considering that military service is compulsory in Finland.  It's tantamount to being surprised that there is a strong correlation of people who do well in business performed well in school.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That quote is not surprising , considering that military service is compulsory in Finland .
It 's tantamount to being surprised that there is a strong correlation of people who do well in business performed well in school .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That quote is not surprising, considering that military service is compulsory in Finland.
It's tantamount to being surprised that there is a strong correlation of people who do well in business performed well in school.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_11_2048248.30407694</id>
	<title>I wish them good luck</title>
	<author>Vintermann</author>
	<datestamp>1260530040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... and hope they hurt each other as much as possible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... and hope they hurt each other as much as possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... and hope they hurt each other as much as possible.</sentencetext>
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