<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_08_1616259</id>
	<title>Dev Booted From App Store For Inflated Reviews</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1260290820000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"Molinker, a Chinese developer of iPhone apps, has been booted from the App Store after being <a href="http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/12/apple-expels-1000-apps-from-store-after-developer-scam">caught trying to game the App Store review system</a>. It seems reviewers were being paid off with free apps in return for 5-star reviews."</i> This means the removal of over 1000 apps, described in this article as "knock-offs of existing applications."</htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " Molinker , a Chinese developer of iPhone apps , has been booted from the App Store after being caught trying to game the App Store review system .
It seems reviewers were being paid off with free apps in return for 5-star reviews .
" This means the removal of over 1000 apps , described in this article as " knock-offs of existing applications .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "Molinker, a Chinese developer of iPhone apps, has been booted from the App Store after being caught trying to game the App Store review system.
It seems reviewers were being paid off with free apps in return for 5-star reviews.
" This means the removal of over 1000 apps, described in this article as "knock-offs of existing applications.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30368990</id>
	<title>Re:At The Risk</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260303660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Chinese culture through the centuries has had explicit disincentives to innovation and independent thought. In America, we say "the squeaky wheel gets the grease." In China they say "the nail that stands up, gets beaten down."</p><p>On the other hand they have had remarkable cultural stability along with an ability to recognize the value of technology . Even during regime changes, the new boss was very much like the old boss, culturally. So, their innovations tend come at a slower pace. But, the Chinese have tended to hold on to their technology from regime to regime and have done a very good job of protecting their culture.</p><p>The fact that the Chinese have little respect for other peoples IP is not surprising at all. I have done a fair amount of manufacturing in China and another key difference that I have noticed is in the contract process.</p><p>When westerners sign a contract, we view that as the end of negotiations. The Chinese that I have contracted with have always viewed that as the beginning of final negotiations. At one point it got so bad, that we bought a small factory in China so that we could fix our cost basis.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Chinese culture through the centuries has had explicit disincentives to innovation and independent thought .
In America , we say " the squeaky wheel gets the grease .
" In China they say " the nail that stands up , gets beaten down .
" On the other hand they have had remarkable cultural stability along with an ability to recognize the value of technology .
Even during regime changes , the new boss was very much like the old boss , culturally .
So , their innovations tend come at a slower pace .
But , the Chinese have tended to hold on to their technology from regime to regime and have done a very good job of protecting their culture.The fact that the Chinese have little respect for other peoples IP is not surprising at all .
I have done a fair amount of manufacturing in China and another key difference that I have noticed is in the contract process.When westerners sign a contract , we view that as the end of negotiations .
The Chinese that I have contracted with have always viewed that as the beginning of final negotiations .
At one point it got so bad , that we bought a small factory in China so that we could fix our cost basis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Chinese culture through the centuries has had explicit disincentives to innovation and independent thought.
In America, we say "the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
" In China they say "the nail that stands up, gets beaten down.
"On the other hand they have had remarkable cultural stability along with an ability to recognize the value of technology .
Even during regime changes, the new boss was very much like the old boss, culturally.
So, their innovations tend come at a slower pace.
But, the Chinese have tended to hold on to their technology from regime to regime and have done a very good job of protecting their culture.The fact that the Chinese have little respect for other peoples IP is not surprising at all.
I have done a fair amount of manufacturing in China and another key difference that I have noticed is in the contract process.When westerners sign a contract, we view that as the end of negotiations.
The Chinese that I have contracted with have always viewed that as the beginning of final negotiations.
At one point it got so bad, that we bought a small factory in China so that we could fix our cost basis.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367246</id>
	<title>Clear Cut</title>
	<author>Reason58</author>
	<datestamp>1260296460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I guess they better remove all the apps that have sales, as they are discounting themselves in order to gain positive reviews! Or is that somehow different because they aren't from China?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess they better remove all the apps that have sales , as they are discounting themselves in order to gain positive reviews !
Or is that somehow different because they are n't from China ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess they better remove all the apps that have sales, as they are discounting themselves in order to gain positive reviews!
Or is that somehow different because they aren't from China?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367512</id>
	<title>Re:How in the heck did he get 1000 apps in the sto</title>
	<author>alen</author>
	<datestamp>1260297720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>don't believe the hype, most apps are approved quickly and with no issues. every single rejection that was hyped this year had real issues with it that Apple addressed with the developer and the dev chose to ignore it and become an attention whore. the one exception i read about was tweetdeck. Apple pulled the app due to bugs in a new release and it took a week for the bugs to be fixed and a stable release to make it to the app store.</p><p>if it wasn't for Apple doing a good job filtering, most developers would send buggy messes to the app store and fix it later. i already see a bunch of apps with nonsense advice like to completely uninstall it and reinstall it in case of problems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>do n't believe the hype , most apps are approved quickly and with no issues .
every single rejection that was hyped this year had real issues with it that Apple addressed with the developer and the dev chose to ignore it and become an attention whore .
the one exception i read about was tweetdeck .
Apple pulled the app due to bugs in a new release and it took a week for the bugs to be fixed and a stable release to make it to the app store.if it was n't for Apple doing a good job filtering , most developers would send buggy messes to the app store and fix it later .
i already see a bunch of apps with nonsense advice like to completely uninstall it and reinstall it in case of problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>don't believe the hype, most apps are approved quickly and with no issues.
every single rejection that was hyped this year had real issues with it that Apple addressed with the developer and the dev chose to ignore it and become an attention whore.
the one exception i read about was tweetdeck.
Apple pulled the app due to bugs in a new release and it took a week for the bugs to be fixed and a stable release to make it to the app store.if it wasn't for Apple doing a good job filtering, most developers would send buggy messes to the app store and fix it later.
i already see a bunch of apps with nonsense advice like to completely uninstall it and reinstall it in case of problems.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367164</id>
	<title>Re:Those crazy Chinese!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260296100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whilst being a scientologist doesn't necessarily invalidate your opinion on absolutely every subject...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...oh wait, it does. FUCK OFF.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whilst being a scientologist does n't necessarily invalidate your opinion on absolutely every subject... ...oh wait , it does .
FUCK OFF .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whilst being a scientologist doesn't necessarily invalidate your opinion on absolutely every subject... ...oh wait, it does.
FUCK OFF.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367268</id>
	<title>Re:How in the heck did he get 1000 apps in the sto</title>
	<author>rudy\_wayne</author>
	<datestamp>1260296580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The quantity of apps on the app store suggest that you're mistaken. A few developers have had some high profile troubles (made high profile because they complain loudly...)

Regardless, thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of developers prove you wrong - it's not that difficult to get an app approved.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Instead of complaining about a few rejections, developers  should be complaining about Apple essentially rubber-stamping thousands of apps that are just crappy knock-offs of other (possibly crappy) apps, diluting the value of worthwhile apps.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The quantity of apps on the app store suggest that you 're mistaken .
A few developers have had some high profile troubles ( made high profile because they complain loudly... ) Regardless , thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of developers prove you wrong - it 's not that difficult to get an app approved .
Instead of complaining about a few rejections , developers should be complaining about Apple essentially rubber-stamping thousands of apps that are just crappy knock-offs of other ( possibly crappy ) apps , diluting the value of worthwhile apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The quantity of apps on the app store suggest that you're mistaken.
A few developers have had some high profile troubles (made high profile because they complain loudly...)

Regardless, thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of developers prove you wrong - it's not that difficult to get an app approved.
Instead of complaining about a few rejections, developers  should be complaining about Apple essentially rubber-stamping thousands of apps that are just crappy knock-offs of other (possibly crappy) apps, diluting the value of worthwhile apps.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367562</id>
	<title>Re:Thank goodness!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260298020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Now a user only needs to sort through 99,000 cheap knockoffs.</p></div><p>In sharp contrast to every other OS with apps made for it out there.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now a user only needs to sort through 99,000 cheap knockoffs.In sharp contrast to every other OS with apps made for it out there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now a user only needs to sort through 99,000 cheap knockoffs.In sharp contrast to every other OS with apps made for it out there.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30368256</id>
	<title>Re:Did anyone look at their other apps???!?</title>
	<author>djupedal</author>
	<datestamp>1260300720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>One of the key elements for developers in the app store is visibility....and that means it is a numbers game.
<br>
<br>
Up until recently, each time an app is updated, it goes back to the top of the 'recently added' list, gaining fresh visibility and usually bumping sales of any other apps in the same vein by the same dev.
<br>
<br>
Apple has long told devs to update their apps at least once a month as customers interpret this as a sign of quality. Update an app...get back to the top of the list and your other apps get a corresponding boost.
<br>
<br>
One month ago, Apple changed that process to only allow brand new apps (v1.0) to go onto the recently released list...boom...updated apps flounder back where they last landed. This dev with over 1100 apps figured out immediately that in order to keep the flow going in terms of visibility meant that new apps had to flood in, with less focus on updates...the easiest way was to start kicking out more clones. The behind-the-scenes efforts meant not bothering with updates and a shift of labor towards new apps. Same 'visibility' effect....different approach. The change encouraged cloning by dishonest devs and discouraged incremental updates that help to grow quality for the honest devs.
<br>
<br>
Apple plugged one hole, and left another one open. Honest dealing devs lost a tool that prompted them to improve their apps over time while shady devs just moved to the other side of the street.
<br>
<br>
I sent my comments to Apple and the response was that they are aware and working on the issue. I told them they need to spend less time on blanket approaches that affect good and bad at the same time and more on reviewing individual apps for specific criteria so that good devs don't get mowed down in the process.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the key elements for developers in the app store is visibility....and that means it is a numbers game .
Up until recently , each time an app is updated , it goes back to the top of the 'recently added ' list , gaining fresh visibility and usually bumping sales of any other apps in the same vein by the same dev .
Apple has long told devs to update their apps at least once a month as customers interpret this as a sign of quality .
Update an app...get back to the top of the list and your other apps get a corresponding boost .
One month ago , Apple changed that process to only allow brand new apps ( v1.0 ) to go onto the recently released list...boom...updated apps flounder back where they last landed .
This dev with over 1100 apps figured out immediately that in order to keep the flow going in terms of visibility meant that new apps had to flood in , with less focus on updates...the easiest way was to start kicking out more clones .
The behind-the-scenes efforts meant not bothering with updates and a shift of labor towards new apps .
Same 'visibility ' effect....different approach .
The change encouraged cloning by dishonest devs and discouraged incremental updates that help to grow quality for the honest devs .
Apple plugged one hole , and left another one open .
Honest dealing devs lost a tool that prompted them to improve their apps over time while shady devs just moved to the other side of the street .
I sent my comments to Apple and the response was that they are aware and working on the issue .
I told them they need to spend less time on blanket approaches that affect good and bad at the same time and more on reviewing individual apps for specific criteria so that good devs do n't get mowed down in the process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the key elements for developers in the app store is visibility....and that means it is a numbers game.
Up until recently, each time an app is updated, it goes back to the top of the 'recently added' list, gaining fresh visibility and usually bumping sales of any other apps in the same vein by the same dev.
Apple has long told devs to update their apps at least once a month as customers interpret this as a sign of quality.
Update an app...get back to the top of the list and your other apps get a corresponding boost.
One month ago, Apple changed that process to only allow brand new apps (v1.0) to go onto the recently released list...boom...updated apps flounder back where they last landed.
This dev with over 1100 apps figured out immediately that in order to keep the flow going in terms of visibility meant that new apps had to flood in, with less focus on updates...the easiest way was to start kicking out more clones.
The behind-the-scenes efforts meant not bothering with updates and a shift of labor towards new apps.
Same 'visibility' effect....different approach.
The change encouraged cloning by dishonest devs and discouraged incremental updates that help to grow quality for the honest devs.
Apple plugged one hole, and left another one open.
Honest dealing devs lost a tool that prompted them to improve their apps over time while shady devs just moved to the other side of the street.
I sent my comments to Apple and the response was that they are aware and working on the issue.
I told them they need to spend less time on blanket approaches that affect good and bad at the same time and more on reviewing individual apps for specific criteria so that good devs don't get mowed down in the process.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30368182</id>
	<title>Re:At The Risk</title>
	<author>MontyApollo</author>
	<datestamp>1260300480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The likely, but not Slashdot-friendly answer is the lack of IP protection in China.</p><p>Someone commented on here before that it is an innovation wasteland in China because they know everybody would immediately copy anything they created.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The likely , but not Slashdot-friendly answer is the lack of IP protection in China.Someone commented on here before that it is an innovation wasteland in China because they know everybody would immediately copy anything they created .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The likely, but not Slashdot-friendly answer is the lack of IP protection in China.Someone commented on here before that it is an innovation wasteland in China because they know everybody would immediately copy anything they created.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30371218</id>
	<title>Re:At The Risk</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260270960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been told it's a language structure which creates this behaviour.<br>In chinese there is no literal translation for "Yes" and "No".</p><p>The Chinese repeat the question or negate the question.<br>Do you like rice ?<br>I like rice.<br>I don't like rice.</p><p>If you repeat things all your life, it just might create a behavioural pattern...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been told it 's a language structure which creates this behaviour.In chinese there is no literal translation for " Yes " and " No " .The Chinese repeat the question or negate the question.Do you like rice ? I like rice.I do n't like rice.If you repeat things all your life , it just might create a behavioural pattern.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been told it's a language structure which creates this behaviour.In chinese there is no literal translation for "Yes" and "No".The Chinese repeat the question or negate the question.Do you like rice ?I like rice.I don't like rice.If you repeat things all your life, it just might create a behavioural pattern...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30369790</id>
	<title>Re:Article = Scam Guidebook 2.0</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260264060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is the company doing the banning the one that refused to let customers review their profucts as they might not give them the mandatory 5 stars that the Company thought they deserved?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is the company doing the banning the one that refused to let customers review their profucts as they might not give them the mandatory 5 stars that the Company thought they deserved ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is the company doing the banning the one that refused to let customers review their profucts as they might not give them the mandatory 5 stars that the Company thought they deserved?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30366960</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30368940</id>
	<title>Of knock offs and and "reviews"</title>
	<author>javalizard</author>
	<datestamp>1260303360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is the practice of paying others to write reviews of your app banned?  Is paying them to write only 5 star reviews banned?

My thoughts are that if this practice isn't specifically banned, how can you just knock a developer completely out?  Maybe a warning and removal of all "paid" comments would be better and then if they continued doing it, then ban them?

This one strike rule is highly confrontational in nearly all places.  It doesn't do justice to humanity: to err is human.  If you don't fix your erring ways, then i can understand such force against that one individual.  (things like illegal downloads, and turning off the internet b/c of it is highly problematic for many reasons.  One is that it restricts the family members or others in the place as well who haven't done anything).  Regardless, requiring one to be non-human is very degrading.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is the practice of paying others to write reviews of your app banned ?
Is paying them to write only 5 star reviews banned ?
My thoughts are that if this practice is n't specifically banned , how can you just knock a developer completely out ?
Maybe a warning and removal of all " paid " comments would be better and then if they continued doing it , then ban them ?
This one strike rule is highly confrontational in nearly all places .
It does n't do justice to humanity : to err is human .
If you do n't fix your erring ways , then i can understand such force against that one individual .
( things like illegal downloads , and turning off the internet b/c of it is highly problematic for many reasons .
One is that it restricts the family members or others in the place as well who have n't done anything ) .
Regardless , requiring one to be non-human is very degrading .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is the practice of paying others to write reviews of your app banned?
Is paying them to write only 5 star reviews banned?
My thoughts are that if this practice isn't specifically banned, how can you just knock a developer completely out?
Maybe a warning and removal of all "paid" comments would be better and then if they continued doing it, then ban them?
This one strike rule is highly confrontational in nearly all places.
It doesn't do justice to humanity: to err is human.
If you don't fix your erring ways, then i can understand such force against that one individual.
(things like illegal downloads, and turning off the internet b/c of it is highly problematic for many reasons.
One is that it restricts the family members or others in the place as well who haven't done anything).
Regardless, requiring one to be non-human is very degrading.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367196</id>
	<title>Cannot Rate Paid Apps Downloaded For Free</title>
	<author>Czmyt</author>
	<datestamp>1260296220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>This hardly seems like news, except that Apple messed up by allowing people who received free, promotional copies of paid apps to rate those apps.  If Apple were to prohibit that and also remove any such ratings then that should solve the problem.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This hardly seems like news , except that Apple messed up by allowing people who received free , promotional copies of paid apps to rate those apps .
If Apple were to prohibit that and also remove any such ratings then that should solve the problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This hardly seems like news, except that Apple messed up by allowing people who received free, promotional copies of paid apps to rate those apps.
If Apple were to prohibit that and also remove any such ratings then that should solve the problem.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367918</id>
	<title>Re:Article = Scam Guidebook 2.0</title>
	<author>Fnkmaster</author>
	<datestamp>1260299460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought every app on the App Store was rated 4 stars<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... or at least it seems that way!  The ratings system must be pretty gummed up, since an app has to be completely non-functional to get less than 3 and a half stars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought every app on the App Store was rated 4 stars ... or at least it seems that way !
The ratings system must be pretty gummed up , since an app has to be completely non-functional to get less than 3 and a half stars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought every app on the App Store was rated 4 stars ... or at least it seems that way!
The ratings system must be pretty gummed up, since an app has to be completely non-functional to get less than 3 and a half stars.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30372854</id>
	<title>Re:Coming soon to Android....</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1260280920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>They'll move onto the next platform. It's cheap to pay these guys to port.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Two things will kill people like this on Android. User Ratings and User Comments. Once a scam like this is noticed all this persons applications will be relegated into one star hell with enough "this is a scam" comments to ward off any potential visitors. One developer or even a group of developers will have a hard time going up against the entire community.<br> <br>

Picture what happened with Spore and Amazon, thousands of user comments about the DRM and the rating reduced to one star except with the Android marketplace Google wont delete the comments and artificially inflate the rating again.<br> <br>

Apple's closed and controlled environment creates a very inflexible system that very predictable thus is easy to game. The Android Marketplace has many more factors governing app sales and popularity which makes it harder to manipulate. Plus there are 100's of free app's that will do the same thing as this persons application. To make money with Android you actually have to make a product worth what you are charging, IMHO, this means $1 and $2 applications will have a free alternative so make a $5 application and make it worth it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 'll move onto the next platform .
It 's cheap to pay these guys to port .
Two things will kill people like this on Android .
User Ratings and User Comments .
Once a scam like this is noticed all this persons applications will be relegated into one star hell with enough " this is a scam " comments to ward off any potential visitors .
One developer or even a group of developers will have a hard time going up against the entire community .
Picture what happened with Spore and Amazon , thousands of user comments about the DRM and the rating reduced to one star except with the Android marketplace Google wont delete the comments and artificially inflate the rating again .
Apple 's closed and controlled environment creates a very inflexible system that very predictable thus is easy to game .
The Android Marketplace has many more factors governing app sales and popularity which makes it harder to manipulate .
Plus there are 100 's of free app 's that will do the same thing as this persons application .
To make money with Android you actually have to make a product worth what you are charging , IMHO , this means $ 1 and $ 2 applications will have a free alternative so make a $ 5 application and make it worth it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They'll move onto the next platform.
It's cheap to pay these guys to port.
Two things will kill people like this on Android.
User Ratings and User Comments.
Once a scam like this is noticed all this persons applications will be relegated into one star hell with enough "this is a scam" comments to ward off any potential visitors.
One developer or even a group of developers will have a hard time going up against the entire community.
Picture what happened with Spore and Amazon, thousands of user comments about the DRM and the rating reduced to one star except with the Android marketplace Google wont delete the comments and artificially inflate the rating again.
Apple's closed and controlled environment creates a very inflexible system that very predictable thus is easy to game.
The Android Marketplace has many more factors governing app sales and popularity which makes it harder to manipulate.
Plus there are 100's of free app's that will do the same thing as this persons application.
To make money with Android you actually have to make a product worth what you are charging, IMHO, this means $1 and $2 applications will have a free alternative so make a $5 application and make it worth it.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367186</id>
	<title>Re:How in the heck did he get 1000 apps in the sto</title>
	<author>amicusNYCL</author>
	<datestamp>1260296220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The quantity of apps on the app store suggest that you're mistaken...<br>Regardless, thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of developers prove you wrong - it's not that difficult to get an app approved.</p></div><p>You can't really come to that conclusion without knowing the ratio of rejected apps to allowed apps.  It could be that ten million apps have been submitted, and only about 1\% approved.  Or, it could be that 125,000 apps have been submitted and 80\% have been approved.  Only knowing the number that have been approved is not sufficient to make the claim that it's easy to get approved.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The quantity of apps on the app store suggest that you 're mistaken...Regardless , thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of developers prove you wrong - it 's not that difficult to get an app approved.You ca n't really come to that conclusion without knowing the ratio of rejected apps to allowed apps .
It could be that ten million apps have been submitted , and only about 1 \ % approved .
Or , it could be that 125,000 apps have been submitted and 80 \ % have been approved .
Only knowing the number that have been approved is not sufficient to make the claim that it 's easy to get approved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The quantity of apps on the app store suggest that you're mistaken...Regardless, thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of developers prove you wrong - it's not that difficult to get an app approved.You can't really come to that conclusion without knowing the ratio of rejected apps to allowed apps.
It could be that ten million apps have been submitted, and only about 1\% approved.
Or, it could be that 125,000 apps have been submitted and 80\% have been approved.
Only knowing the number that have been approved is not sufficient to make the claim that it's easy to get approved.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30368002</id>
	<title>FC Tasks by SCO Group - more fraud?</title>
	<author>the saltydog</author>
	<datestamp>1260299760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Check the nyms giving it 5 star reviews - many similar to the aliases Darl McBride and family have used in the past at the Yahoo Finance SCOX/SCOXQ.PK message boards... coincidence?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Check the nyms giving it 5 star reviews - many similar to the aliases Darl McBride and family have used in the past at the Yahoo Finance SCOX/SCOXQ.PK message boards... coincidence ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check the nyms giving it 5 star reviews - many similar to the aliases Darl McBride and family have used in the past at the Yahoo Finance SCOX/SCOXQ.PK message boards... coincidence?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367500</id>
	<title>Copying approved apps</title>
	<author>harl</author>
	<datestamp>1260297720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they're copying existing apps then they're copying something that was already approved.  I imagine that the original developer would have already dealt with any hurdles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they 're copying existing apps then they 're copying something that was already approved .
I imagine that the original developer would have already dealt with any hurdles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they're copying existing apps then they're copying something that was already approved.
I imagine that the original developer would have already dealt with any hurdles.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30370596</id>
	<title>Re:At The Risk</title>
	<author>icegreentea</author>
	<datestamp>1260268200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because cheap knock offs seems to make us a shit load of money right now.<br><br>Ok, I am a Chinese-Canadian, and among my immediate circle of Chinese-Canadian friends, we are share similar feelings in regards to Chinese ingenuity and such. We're all proud of our previous contributions to human discovery. My parents harped on and on about that when I was a kid. We are all sure that the Chinese people are still very smart. For example, Taiwan for all intents and purposes is Chinese. Identical culture, identical language, pretty much the same education based mindset. We (my parents are from Taiwan) managed create all sorts of high quality products. Chip foundries? Like half of them are in Taiwan. Asus? Taiwan. Hell, you want another example? ATI was founded by a Hong Kong immigrant.<br><br>At the same time, we know that we make retarded amounts of money selling cheap ass products. Why? Cause you stupid North Americans (including myself) want cheap ass products. I'm still talking about Taiwan here. Basically, North American shipped so much of their manufacturing base to Asia that any given Asian country is likely to be selling high quality 'brand name' products and crappy knockoffs at the same time. For example, nearly all Underarmor is made is Thailand. Thailand also exports a ridiculous fraction of cheap tourist shirts to North American cities.<br><br>What I guess I'm trying to say is that, Asia is connected to cheap knock offs cause thats how we made our money. That was the first thing that North American companies offloaded into Asia. Like another poster said, that's how Taiwan and Japan and Korea started. Factories pumping out cheap stuff. That eventually brought in enough capital that each country started its own companies that grew, and now produce high-quality products.<br><br>You'll be seeing that out of China sooner or later. For now, you guys seem happy throwing shit loads of money at China for making shit products. So they're going to keep doing it. But there's an entire middle and upper class in the large cities who are very well (often Western) educated. Just like the last wave of educated people kick started the current manufacturing growth spree, the next wave is going to make knowledge based industries, and higher quality products grow and explode.<br><br>Face it, its pretty much impossible over the long run for North America to hold its lead against Asia. The population base is fucking huge. And they are every bit as smart and ambitious (maybe even more ambitious) than North Americans. The best you can hope for is some sort of mutually favourable relationship where North America gets to keep most of its stature.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because cheap knock offs seems to make us a shit load of money right now.Ok , I am a Chinese-Canadian , and among my immediate circle of Chinese-Canadian friends , we are share similar feelings in regards to Chinese ingenuity and such .
We 're all proud of our previous contributions to human discovery .
My parents harped on and on about that when I was a kid .
We are all sure that the Chinese people are still very smart .
For example , Taiwan for all intents and purposes is Chinese .
Identical culture , identical language , pretty much the same education based mindset .
We ( my parents are from Taiwan ) managed create all sorts of high quality products .
Chip foundries ?
Like half of them are in Taiwan .
Asus ? Taiwan .
Hell , you want another example ?
ATI was founded by a Hong Kong immigrant.At the same time , we know that we make retarded amounts of money selling cheap ass products .
Why ? Cause you stupid North Americans ( including myself ) want cheap ass products .
I 'm still talking about Taiwan here .
Basically , North American shipped so much of their manufacturing base to Asia that any given Asian country is likely to be selling high quality 'brand name ' products and crappy knockoffs at the same time .
For example , nearly all Underarmor is made is Thailand .
Thailand also exports a ridiculous fraction of cheap tourist shirts to North American cities.What I guess I 'm trying to say is that , Asia is connected to cheap knock offs cause thats how we made our money .
That was the first thing that North American companies offloaded into Asia .
Like another poster said , that 's how Taiwan and Japan and Korea started .
Factories pumping out cheap stuff .
That eventually brought in enough capital that each country started its own companies that grew , and now produce high-quality products.You 'll be seeing that out of China sooner or later .
For now , you guys seem happy throwing shit loads of money at China for making shit products .
So they 're going to keep doing it .
But there 's an entire middle and upper class in the large cities who are very well ( often Western ) educated .
Just like the last wave of educated people kick started the current manufacturing growth spree , the next wave is going to make knowledge based industries , and higher quality products grow and explode.Face it , its pretty much impossible over the long run for North America to hold its lead against Asia .
The population base is fucking huge .
And they are every bit as smart and ambitious ( maybe even more ambitious ) than North Americans .
The best you can hope for is some sort of mutually favourable relationship where North America gets to keep most of its stature .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because cheap knock offs seems to make us a shit load of money right now.Ok, I am a Chinese-Canadian, and among my immediate circle of Chinese-Canadian friends, we are share similar feelings in regards to Chinese ingenuity and such.
We're all proud of our previous contributions to human discovery.
My parents harped on and on about that when I was a kid.
We are all sure that the Chinese people are still very smart.
For example, Taiwan for all intents and purposes is Chinese.
Identical culture, identical language, pretty much the same education based mindset.
We (my parents are from Taiwan) managed create all sorts of high quality products.
Chip foundries?
Like half of them are in Taiwan.
Asus? Taiwan.
Hell, you want another example?
ATI was founded by a Hong Kong immigrant.At the same time, we know that we make retarded amounts of money selling cheap ass products.
Why? Cause you stupid North Americans (including myself) want cheap ass products.
I'm still talking about Taiwan here.
Basically, North American shipped so much of their manufacturing base to Asia that any given Asian country is likely to be selling high quality 'brand name' products and crappy knockoffs at the same time.
For example, nearly all Underarmor is made is Thailand.
Thailand also exports a ridiculous fraction of cheap tourist shirts to North American cities.What I guess I'm trying to say is that, Asia is connected to cheap knock offs cause thats how we made our money.
That was the first thing that North American companies offloaded into Asia.
Like another poster said, that's how Taiwan and Japan and Korea started.
Factories pumping out cheap stuff.
That eventually brought in enough capital that each country started its own companies that grew, and now produce high-quality products.You'll be seeing that out of China sooner or later.
For now, you guys seem happy throwing shit loads of money at China for making shit products.
So they're going to keep doing it.
But there's an entire middle and upper class in the large cities who are very well (often Western) educated.
Just like the last wave of educated people kick started the current manufacturing growth spree, the next wave is going to make knowledge based industries, and higher quality products grow and explode.Face it, its pretty much impossible over the long run for North America to hold its lead against Asia.
The population base is fucking huge.
And they are every bit as smart and ambitious (maybe even more ambitious) than North Americans.
The best you can hope for is some sort of mutually favourable relationship where North America gets to keep most of its stature.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30369286</id>
	<title>Re:Knock-offs</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1260304980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's nothing. Just yesterday I downloaded an app, and my computer produced a knock-off on the spot! And when I saved it on the hard drive, it produced another one. I couldn't tell the difference, but I've heard from Apple that they are indeed knock-offs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's nothing .
Just yesterday I downloaded an app , and my computer produced a knock-off on the spot !
And when I saved it on the hard drive , it produced another one .
I could n't tell the difference , but I 've heard from Apple that they are indeed knock-offs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's nothing.
Just yesterday I downloaded an app, and my computer produced a knock-off on the spot!
And when I saved it on the hard drive, it produced another one.
I couldn't tell the difference, but I've heard from Apple that they are indeed knock-offs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367528</id>
	<title>Re:Thank goodness!</title>
	<author>SoulRider</author>
	<datestamp>1260297840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>wouldnt that be 98,999 cheap knockoffs?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>wouldnt that be 98,999 cheap knockoffs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wouldnt that be 98,999 cheap knockoffs?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30368194</id>
	<title>Re:Duh</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1260300540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It sounds like the display of the review data is broken, it should be evident, at a glance, that a given set of reviews are one-sided.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It sounds like the display of the review data is broken , it should be evident , at a glance , that a given set of reviews are one-sided .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It sounds like the display of the review data is broken, it should be evident, at a glance, that a given set of reviews are one-sided.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30366856</id>
	<title>wouldn't you know it</title>
	<author>jollyreaper</author>
	<datestamp>1260294600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Chinese app farmers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Chinese app farmers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chinese app farmers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30372072</id>
	<title>Re:Thank goodness!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260275700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Need to astroturf your apps? There's an app for that...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Need to astroturf your apps ?
There 's an app for that.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Need to astroturf your apps?
There's an app for that...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30374336</id>
	<title>Re:A Chinese Sybil Attack</title>
	<author>anaesthetica</author>
	<datestamp>1260296700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can't believe you repurposed content from my <a href="http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2009/12/8/01628/8328" title="kuro5hin.org" rel="nofollow">diary on kuro5hin about sybil attacks</a> [kuro5hin.org] in order to karma whore yourself out on Slashdot.  For shame!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't believe you repurposed content from my diary on kuro5hin about sybil attacks [ kuro5hin.org ] in order to karma whore yourself out on Slashdot .
For shame !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't believe you repurposed content from my diary on kuro5hin about sybil attacks [kuro5hin.org] in order to karma whore yourself out on Slashdot.
For shame!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367206</id>
	<title>Re:Article = Scam Guidebook 2.0</title>
	<author>amicusNYCL</author>
	<datestamp>1260296280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why would the developer refund money if the apps do what they were supposed to?</p></div><p>If the apps did what they were supposed to, why fake reviews?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would the developer refund money if the apps do what they were supposed to ? If the apps did what they were supposed to , why fake reviews ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would the developer refund money if the apps do what they were supposed to?If the apps did what they were supposed to, why fake reviews?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30366906</id>
	<title>Those crazy Chinese!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260294840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>iChinese. iPlay joke. iPut peepee in your Coke!</p><p>Astroturf reviews are easy to spot. There are usually a flurry of similar looking reviews that praise the product, then these are followed by actual customer reviews. If the product is really good, the reviews will be good. If not, the contrast between the astroturf and real reviews will be stark.</p><p>Given the quality of other things that come out of China, especially in this festive holiday season, it is a good idea to be cautious of these things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>iChinese .
iPlay joke .
iPut peepee in your Coke ! Astroturf reviews are easy to spot .
There are usually a flurry of similar looking reviews that praise the product , then these are followed by actual customer reviews .
If the product is really good , the reviews will be good .
If not , the contrast between the astroturf and real reviews will be stark.Given the quality of other things that come out of China , especially in this festive holiday season , it is a good idea to be cautious of these things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iChinese.
iPlay joke.
iPut peepee in your Coke!Astroturf reviews are easy to spot.
There are usually a flurry of similar looking reviews that praise the product, then these are followed by actual customer reviews.
If the product is really good, the reviews will be good.
If not, the contrast between the astroturf and real reviews will be stark.Given the quality of other things that come out of China, especially in this festive holiday season, it is a good idea to be cautious of these things.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367486</id>
	<title>A Chinese Sybil Attack</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260297660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil\_attack" title="wikipedia.org">A Sybil Attack</a> [wikipedia.org] is from multiple if not more personalities (sockpuppets of the same person or group) that use the reputation system to gave favor in one person's or group's favor.</p><p>Any good security system should have a countermeasure for detecting a Sybil Attack, and it looks like Apple's App Store just implemented such a thing to detect more Sybil Attacks in the future.</p><p>Yes it is also Astro Turfing. Now if the Sybil Attacks rated other applications at random ratings, they might have gone undetected and passed off as just another user. But because they only rate one group of applications, they can be detected and thus action be taken by Apple et al to deal with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A Sybil Attack [ wikipedia.org ] is from multiple if not more personalities ( sockpuppets of the same person or group ) that use the reputation system to gave favor in one person 's or group 's favor.Any good security system should have a countermeasure for detecting a Sybil Attack , and it looks like Apple 's App Store just implemented such a thing to detect more Sybil Attacks in the future.Yes it is also Astro Turfing .
Now if the Sybil Attacks rated other applications at random ratings , they might have gone undetected and passed off as just another user .
But because they only rate one group of applications , they can be detected and thus action be taken by Apple et al to deal with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A Sybil Attack [wikipedia.org] is from multiple if not more personalities (sockpuppets of the same person or group) that use the reputation system to gave favor in one person's or group's favor.Any good security system should have a countermeasure for detecting a Sybil Attack, and it looks like Apple's App Store just implemented such a thing to detect more Sybil Attacks in the future.Yes it is also Astro Turfing.
Now if the Sybil Attacks rated other applications at random ratings, they might have gone undetected and passed off as just another user.
But because they only rate one group of applications, they can be detected and thus action be taken by Apple et al to deal with it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367522</id>
	<title>Duh</title>
	<author>JM78</author>
	<datestamp>1260297780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The App Store is full of bogus reviews - its taken this long for Apple to boot someone? WTF? There are a huge number of apps with 1-star reviews along with an equal number of 5-star, "this sweet app is awesome!!!" reviews mixed in. When reviews are that polarized it is glaringly obvious which developers are paying for positive reviews in order artificially inflate their ratings amidst the plethora of negative responses.
<br> <br>
Honestly, the App Store needs a better rating system; one which flags apps who have blatantly polarized ratings/reviews.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The App Store is full of bogus reviews - its taken this long for Apple to boot someone ?
WTF ? There are a huge number of apps with 1-star reviews along with an equal number of 5-star , " this sweet app is awesome ! ! !
" reviews mixed in .
When reviews are that polarized it is glaringly obvious which developers are paying for positive reviews in order artificially inflate their ratings amidst the plethora of negative responses .
Honestly , the App Store needs a better rating system ; one which flags apps who have blatantly polarized ratings/reviews .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The App Store is full of bogus reviews - its taken this long for Apple to boot someone?
WTF? There are a huge number of apps with 1-star reviews along with an equal number of 5-star, "this sweet app is awesome!!!
" reviews mixed in.
When reviews are that polarized it is glaringly obvious which developers are paying for positive reviews in order artificially inflate their ratings amidst the plethora of negative responses.
Honestly, the App Store needs a better rating system; one which flags apps who have blatantly polarized ratings/reviews.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30366874</id>
	<title>How in the heck did he get 1000 apps in the store?</title>
	<author>jandrese</author>
	<datestamp>1260294720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Real developers have trouble getting even small numbers of apps approved, and yet somehow these guys have literally a thousand crappy knockoff apps?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Real developers have trouble getting even small numbers of apps approved , and yet somehow these guys have literally a thousand crappy knockoff apps ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Real developers have trouble getting even small numbers of apps approved, and yet somehow these guys have literally a thousand crappy knockoff apps?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30368058</id>
	<title>Re:At The Risk</title>
	<author>Bill, Shooter of Bul</author>
	<datestamp>1260300060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Japan was thought of in the same light in the 60's and 70's. Heck at one point in the history of the US, we were also the cheap, knockoff producer. In fact, I would say that we still are in respect to food (Cream Cheese =&gt; Neufch&#226;tel; cheese, parmasean =&gt; parmigiano-reggiano; Hershey's chocolate =&gt; real milk chocolate; ).

<br> <br> Over time, their economy will grow up just like ours did ( only 200X faster).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Japan was thought of in the same light in the 60 's and 70 's .
Heck at one point in the history of the US , we were also the cheap , knockoff producer .
In fact , I would say that we still are in respect to food ( Cream Cheese = &gt; Neufch   tel ; cheese , parmasean = &gt; parmigiano-reggiano ; Hershey 's chocolate = &gt; real milk chocolate ; ) .
Over time , their economy will grow up just like ours did ( only 200X faster ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Japan was thought of in the same light in the 60's and 70's.
Heck at one point in the history of the US, we were also the cheap, knockoff producer.
In fact, I would say that we still are in respect to food (Cream Cheese =&gt; Neufchâtel; cheese, parmasean =&gt; parmigiano-reggiano; Hershey's chocolate =&gt; real milk chocolate; ).
Over time, their economy will grow up just like ours did ( only 200X faster).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30366956</id>
	<title>The Plot Thickens</title>
	<author>RobotRunAmok</author>
	<datestamp>1260295140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, that's right, that's the real interesting question.  I suspect that somewhere in the Apple App Store Approval Work Flow Chain is a highly-greased QA monkey.  I'll bet more money was spent on the outside reviewers and inside "expediters" than was spent on game design and development.</p><p>In America, that's called a "robust marketing budget."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , that 's right , that 's the real interesting question .
I suspect that somewhere in the Apple App Store Approval Work Flow Chain is a highly-greased QA monkey .
I 'll bet more money was spent on the outside reviewers and inside " expediters " than was spent on game design and development.In America , that 's called a " robust marketing budget .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, that's right, that's the real interesting question.
I suspect that somewhere in the Apple App Store Approval Work Flow Chain is a highly-greased QA monkey.
I'll bet more money was spent on the outside reviewers and inside "expediters" than was spent on game design and development.In America, that's called a "robust marketing budget.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367096</id>
	<title>Re:Which scam?</title>
	<author>tomhath</author>
	<datestamp>1260295800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, it would be reasonable for the staff to only review high ranked apps for the Staff Favorites list. If the ColorMagic app doesn't suck too much it could be a legitimate selection.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , it would be reasonable for the staff to only review high ranked apps for the Staff Favorites list .
If the ColorMagic app does n't suck too much it could be a legitimate selection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, it would be reasonable for the staff to only review high ranked apps for the Staff Favorites list.
If the ColorMagic app doesn't suck too much it could be a legitimate selection.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367574</id>
	<title>Maybe not as hard as we think...</title>
	<author>MikeMo</author>
	<datestamp>1260298080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe, just maybe, there is some Hype and Hysteria about Apple.  Maybe most of the apps do get approved quickly, just like they say?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe , just maybe , there is some Hype and Hysteria about Apple .
Maybe most of the apps do get approved quickly , just like they say ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe, just maybe, there is some Hype and Hysteria about Apple.
Maybe most of the apps do get approved quickly, just like they say?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367774</id>
	<title>Re:At The Risk</title>
	<author>jimbolauski</author>
	<datestamp>1260298800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is much cheaper to copy others work then to do you own.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is much cheaper to copy others work then to do you own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is much cheaper to copy others work then to do you own.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30366854</id>
	<title>Knock-offs</title>
	<author>amicusNYCL</author>
	<datestamp>1260294600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>described in this article as "knock-offs of existing applications."</p></div><p>The Chinese producing knock-offs of existing things?  Surely you jest!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>described in this article as " knock-offs of existing applications .
" The Chinese producing knock-offs of existing things ?
Surely you jest !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>described in this article as "knock-offs of existing applications.
"The Chinese producing knock-offs of existing things?
Surely you jest!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367034</id>
	<title>Do these iPhone apps use...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260295500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>JBOSS? We use JBOSS at work, it's great. Everybody should use JBOSS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>JBOSS ?
We use JBOSS at work , it 's great .
Everybody should use JBOSS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>JBOSS?
We use JBOSS at work, it's great.
Everybody should use JBOSS.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30398642</id>
	<title>Re:Thank goodness!</title>
	<author>KiwiMike</author>
	<datestamp>1260470280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh the humanity!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh the humanity !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh the humanity!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367568</id>
	<title>Re:At The Risk</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260298080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It seems to me that they are quite capable of making new products and contributing new ideas, so why do they not do so? Why are there repeated examples of this sort of blatant copying? Can anyone clue me in here?</p></div><p>Mao happened between then and now.  When you have a monolithic culture where standing out gets you beat down, and it's easier to just copy something than come up with something new, you get crap like this.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems to me that they are quite capable of making new products and contributing new ideas , so why do they not do so ?
Why are there repeated examples of this sort of blatant copying ?
Can anyone clue me in here ? Mao happened between then and now .
When you have a monolithic culture where standing out gets you beat down , and it 's easier to just copy something than come up with something new , you get crap like this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems to me that they are quite capable of making new products and contributing new ideas, so why do they not do so?
Why are there repeated examples of this sort of blatant copying?
Can anyone clue me in here?Mao happened between then and now.
When you have a monolithic culture where standing out gets you beat down, and it's easier to just copy something than come up with something new, you get crap like this.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30366842</id>
	<title>Thank goodness!</title>
	<author>R2.0</author>
	<datestamp>1260294540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now a user only needs to sort through 99,000 cheap knockoffs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now a user only needs to sort through 99,000 cheap knockoffs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now a user only needs to sort through 99,000 cheap knockoffs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30366904</id>
	<title>Coming soon to Android....</title>
	<author>Kagato</author>
	<datestamp>1260294840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They'll move onto the next platform.  It's cheap to pay these guys to port.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 'll move onto the next platform .
It 's cheap to pay these guys to port .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They'll move onto the next platform.
It's cheap to pay these guys to port.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367880</id>
	<title>Still no bookmark sync :(</title>
	<author>VMaN</author>
	<datestamp>1260299220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The last version had bookmark sync greyed out, now it's missing completely... AAARGH</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The last version had bookmark sync greyed out , now it 's missing completely... AAARGH</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The last version had bookmark sync greyed out, now it's missing completely... AAARGH</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30370822</id>
	<title>Re:At The Risk</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260269220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I will second everything you said here.<br>
I work with them and seen them get incredulous when dealing with a supplier who told them the contract is the contract.  They thought they could just sit there and talk them into being cheaper.  Basically during the negotiations with the American supplier, the supplier negotiator kept getting shuffled down to lower and lower authority.  So I think the supplier had dealt with someone like that before.<br>
In another instance we purchase system with installation and they didn't want to pay more than half up front.  When the installation was complete and the company came in to get the other half, they started negotiating with them and wouldn't give them a check.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I will second everything you said here .
I work with them and seen them get incredulous when dealing with a supplier who told them the contract is the contract .
They thought they could just sit there and talk them into being cheaper .
Basically during the negotiations with the American supplier , the supplier negotiator kept getting shuffled down to lower and lower authority .
So I think the supplier had dealt with someone like that before .
In another instance we purchase system with installation and they did n't want to pay more than half up front .
When the installation was complete and the company came in to get the other half , they started negotiating with them and would n't give them a check .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I will second everything you said here.
I work with them and seen them get incredulous when dealing with a supplier who told them the contract is the contract.
They thought they could just sit there and talk them into being cheaper.
Basically during the negotiations with the American supplier, the supplier negotiator kept getting shuffled down to lower and lower authority.
So I think the supplier had dealt with someone like that before.
In another instance we purchase system with installation and they didn't want to pay more than half up front.
When the installation was complete and the company came in to get the other half, they started negotiating with them and wouldn't give them a check.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30368990</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30371344</id>
	<title>Re:At The Risk</title>
	<author>smellsofbikes</author>
	<datestamp>1260271560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>At the risk of sounding perhaps trollish or inflammatory, or even over-generalizing, I have to ask why, over the course of the past couple of decades or so, perhaps longer, have the terms "China" and "cheap knockoffs" become synonymous?</p><p>Out of curiosity I headed over to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Chinese\_inventions" title="wikipedia.org">this list of Chinese inventions</a> [wikipedia.org] and I am surprised to see the numerous inventions by, and subsequent contributions to, humanity by the Chinese people.</p><p>It seems to me that they are quite capable of making new products and contributing new ideas, so why do they not do so? Why are there repeated examples of this sort of blatant copying? Can anyone clue me in here?</p></div><p>They're business-oriented.  The point of a business is to get the highest profit margin.  All other things being equal, you get a higher profit margin by copying something successful, because A: you have lower R&amp;D costs, B: lower marketing costs, and C: lower risk that your product won't be successful.  So in an environment where you *can* succeed by copying, that's the smart thing to do.</p><p>
There are plenty of Chinese innovations.  We don't hear about them because they're moving at the same pace as every other innovator is: doing slow, costly, risky work.  What we hear about are the people copying, because they're stepping on the toes of the people who are pissed off by copying.</p><p>
30 years ago people were saying exactly the same thing about the Japanese... before they devoured American manufacturing through innovation and research.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>At the risk of sounding perhaps trollish or inflammatory , or even over-generalizing , I have to ask why , over the course of the past couple of decades or so , perhaps longer , have the terms " China " and " cheap knockoffs " become synonymous ? Out of curiosity I headed over to this list of Chinese inventions [ wikipedia.org ] and I am surprised to see the numerous inventions by , and subsequent contributions to , humanity by the Chinese people.It seems to me that they are quite capable of making new products and contributing new ideas , so why do they not do so ?
Why are there repeated examples of this sort of blatant copying ?
Can anyone clue me in here ? They 're business-oriented .
The point of a business is to get the highest profit margin .
All other things being equal , you get a higher profit margin by copying something successful , because A : you have lower R&amp;D costs , B : lower marketing costs , and C : lower risk that your product wo n't be successful .
So in an environment where you * can * succeed by copying , that 's the smart thing to do .
There are plenty of Chinese innovations .
We do n't hear about them because they 're moving at the same pace as every other innovator is : doing slow , costly , risky work .
What we hear about are the people copying , because they 're stepping on the toes of the people who are pissed off by copying .
30 years ago people were saying exactly the same thing about the Japanese... before they devoured American manufacturing through innovation and research .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the risk of sounding perhaps trollish or inflammatory, or even over-generalizing, I have to ask why, over the course of the past couple of decades or so, perhaps longer, have the terms "China" and "cheap knockoffs" become synonymous?Out of curiosity I headed over to this list of Chinese inventions [wikipedia.org] and I am surprised to see the numerous inventions by, and subsequent contributions to, humanity by the Chinese people.It seems to me that they are quite capable of making new products and contributing new ideas, so why do they not do so?
Why are there repeated examples of this sort of blatant copying?
Can anyone clue me in here?They're business-oriented.
The point of a business is to get the highest profit margin.
All other things being equal, you get a higher profit margin by copying something successful, because A: you have lower R&amp;D costs, B: lower marketing costs, and C: lower risk that your product won't be successful.
So in an environment where you *can* succeed by copying, that's the smart thing to do.
There are plenty of Chinese innovations.
We don't hear about them because they're moving at the same pace as every other innovator is: doing slow, costly, risky work.
What we hear about are the people copying, because they're stepping on the toes of the people who are pissed off by copying.
30 years ago people were saying exactly the same thing about the Japanese... before they devoured American manufacturing through innovation and research.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30368032</id>
	<title>Re:At The Risk</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1260299940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are over 1.3 Billion Chinese. Even if a very small percentage of them are creative, they should still be out-inventing every other country in the world. Obviously, the majority of them are better at copying. This might be due to an educational system that stresses rote memorization and discourages independent thought. My experience with Taiwanese CS grads was that they were very good at doing exactly what you told them to do, but if an unexpected situation came up, they were reluctant to handle it on their own. Of course, that is a generalization based on a very small sample set, so it doesn't apply to all Chinese.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are over 1.3 Billion Chinese .
Even if a very small percentage of them are creative , they should still be out-inventing every other country in the world .
Obviously , the majority of them are better at copying .
This might be due to an educational system that stresses rote memorization and discourages independent thought .
My experience with Taiwanese CS grads was that they were very good at doing exactly what you told them to do , but if an unexpected situation came up , they were reluctant to handle it on their own .
Of course , that is a generalization based on a very small sample set , so it does n't apply to all Chinese .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are over 1.3 Billion Chinese.
Even if a very small percentage of them are creative, they should still be out-inventing every other country in the world.
Obviously, the majority of them are better at copying.
This might be due to an educational system that stresses rote memorization and discourages independent thought.
My experience with Taiwanese CS grads was that they were very good at doing exactly what you told them to do, but if an unexpected situation came up, they were reluctant to handle it on their own.
Of course, that is a generalization based on a very small sample set, so it doesn't apply to all Chinese.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30368846</id>
	<title>Scoundrels!</title>
	<author>BuddyFriend</author>
	<datestamp>1260302940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Gaming the system? Who knew they were so unscrupulous.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to speak with my WoW gold courier.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Gaming the system ?
Who knew they were so unscrupulous .
Now if you 'll excuse me , I have to speak with my WoW gold courier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gaming the system?
Who knew they were so unscrupulous.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to speak with my WoW gold courier.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30368018</id>
	<title>You'd Have to be Nuts to Develop for that Platform</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260299880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, it's great that a crapplication developer got what they deserved, but there's absolutely no way I would ever write software for such an insane prostate-yourself-before-Apple platform.  At least with<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET, there's some considerable lag between the time that Microsoft looks at your app and decides what modifications to make to the framework to break it and when your app doesn't run any more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , it 's great that a crapplication developer got what they deserved , but there 's absolutely no way I would ever write software for such an insane prostate-yourself-before-Apple platform .
At least with .NET , there 's some considerable lag between the time that Microsoft looks at your app and decides what modifications to make to the framework to break it and when your app does n't run any more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, it's great that a crapplication developer got what they deserved, but there's absolutely no way I would ever write software for such an insane prostate-yourself-before-Apple platform.
At least with .NET, there's some considerable lag between the time that Microsoft looks at your app and decides what modifications to make to the framework to break it and when your app doesn't run any more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30371226</id>
	<title>Re:How in the heck did he get 1000 apps in the sto</title>
	<author>Dare nMc</author>
	<datestamp>1260270960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>it's not that difficult to get an app approved.</p></div><p>  Sure, but apple has been known (see google voice) to approve them, and only seriously review them if they start selling, ie after you have spent your money, but before you made a profit.<br>If your writing quick little ain't that cute games, who cares if a few get kicked.  On the other hand if you have just $10,000 and spent 6 months and all your money to buy a mac... to make your killer app, then get some generic apple response "it violates our polices, but which ones, and why we are keeping secret."  Does you no good, your company is gone, with your savings. Especially when apple has pules apps after they were selling, and they spent money on support...  Then forces the developers to give refunds of 130\% of what the developer got paid (developer had to pay back apples cut to unhappy customers.) customers were only unhappy because apple pulled the developers ability to support the app.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's not that difficult to get an app approved .
Sure , but apple has been known ( see google voice ) to approve them , and only seriously review them if they start selling , ie after you have spent your money , but before you made a profit.If your writing quick little ai n't that cute games , who cares if a few get kicked .
On the other hand if you have just $ 10,000 and spent 6 months and all your money to buy a mac... to make your killer app , then get some generic apple response " it violates our polices , but which ones , and why we are keeping secret .
" Does you no good , your company is gone , with your savings .
Especially when apple has pules apps after they were selling , and they spent money on support... Then forces the developers to give refunds of 130 \ % of what the developer got paid ( developer had to pay back apples cut to unhappy customers .
) customers were only unhappy because apple pulled the developers ability to support the app .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's not that difficult to get an app approved.
Sure, but apple has been known (see google voice) to approve them, and only seriously review them if they start selling, ie after you have spent your money, but before you made a profit.If your writing quick little ain't that cute games, who cares if a few get kicked.
On the other hand if you have just $10,000 and spent 6 months and all your money to buy a mac... to make your killer app, then get some generic apple response "it violates our polices, but which ones, and why we are keeping secret.
"  Does you no good, your company is gone, with your savings.
Especially when apple has pules apps after they were selling, and they spent money on support...  Then forces the developers to give refunds of 130\% of what the developer got paid (developer had to pay back apples cut to unhappy customers.
) customers were only unhappy because apple pulled the developers ability to support the app.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367404</id>
	<title>Re:How in the heck did he get 1000 apps in the sto</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1260297300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It isn't so much that Apple's process makes getting apps approved, it is that it makes developing certain classes of apps difficult.<br> <br>

If your strategy is to shovel out hundreds of more or less cookie-cutter titles, the approval mechanism will just slow you down slightly. You'll presumably figure out the rough edges(dodgy API use, trademark stuff that pisses Apple off, etc.) out in the first few rounds, and the rest will just sail through. Plus, since you are basically just pumping and running, you don't really care about "I patched the issue two weeks ago; but Apple is just sitting on it" style problems because you don't bother patching.<br> <br>

The sort of applications that it hurts(which, not coincidentally, are the ones likely to be written by die-hard mac-heads with blogs whereon they can blog about their woes) are the complex and laborious applications(not worth the risk; because a very expensive bunch of labor could just go down the tubes if Apple says "no", and the little indie guys aren't big enough, like EA, to actually be treated as "partners"), or the applications that depend on careful iterative refinement(if delivering each bugfix takes 3 weeks because of Apple, you are doing indie dev work on a sclerotic corporate timescale), or applications that push technical boundaries(because apple is touchy about API use). Plus, unlike the chinese clone shop that just wants to keep its head down and get paid, the App Store rejection stories are, in many cases, also about people who have loved Apple since way back getting a good solid taste of Apple being callous, indifferent, unreasonable, and unapproachable. This makes them sad pandas. Sad Pandas always go to their blogs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is n't so much that Apple 's process makes getting apps approved , it is that it makes developing certain classes of apps difficult .
If your strategy is to shovel out hundreds of more or less cookie-cutter titles , the approval mechanism will just slow you down slightly .
You 'll presumably figure out the rough edges ( dodgy API use , trademark stuff that pisses Apple off , etc .
) out in the first few rounds , and the rest will just sail through .
Plus , since you are basically just pumping and running , you do n't really care about " I patched the issue two weeks ago ; but Apple is just sitting on it " style problems because you do n't bother patching .
The sort of applications that it hurts ( which , not coincidentally , are the ones likely to be written by die-hard mac-heads with blogs whereon they can blog about their woes ) are the complex and laborious applications ( not worth the risk ; because a very expensive bunch of labor could just go down the tubes if Apple says " no " , and the little indie guys are n't big enough , like EA , to actually be treated as " partners " ) , or the applications that depend on careful iterative refinement ( if delivering each bugfix takes 3 weeks because of Apple , you are doing indie dev work on a sclerotic corporate timescale ) , or applications that push technical boundaries ( because apple is touchy about API use ) .
Plus , unlike the chinese clone shop that just wants to keep its head down and get paid , the App Store rejection stories are , in many cases , also about people who have loved Apple since way back getting a good solid taste of Apple being callous , indifferent , unreasonable , and unapproachable .
This makes them sad pandas .
Sad Pandas always go to their blogs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It isn't so much that Apple's process makes getting apps approved, it is that it makes developing certain classes of apps difficult.
If your strategy is to shovel out hundreds of more or less cookie-cutter titles, the approval mechanism will just slow you down slightly.
You'll presumably figure out the rough edges(dodgy API use, trademark stuff that pisses Apple off, etc.
) out in the first few rounds, and the rest will just sail through.
Plus, since you are basically just pumping and running, you don't really care about "I patched the issue two weeks ago; but Apple is just sitting on it" style problems because you don't bother patching.
The sort of applications that it hurts(which, not coincidentally, are the ones likely to be written by die-hard mac-heads with blogs whereon they can blog about their woes) are the complex and laborious applications(not worth the risk; because a very expensive bunch of labor could just go down the tubes if Apple says "no", and the little indie guys aren't big enough, like EA, to actually be treated as "partners"), or the applications that depend on careful iterative refinement(if delivering each bugfix takes 3 weeks because of Apple, you are doing indie dev work on a sclerotic corporate timescale), or applications that push technical boundaries(because apple is touchy about API use).
Plus, unlike the chinese clone shop that just wants to keep its head down and get paid, the App Store rejection stories are, in many cases, also about people who have loved Apple since way back getting a good solid taste of Apple being callous, indifferent, unreasonable, and unapproachable.
This makes them sad pandas.
Sad Pandas always go to their blogs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30368718</id>
	<title>How many apps could just be web pages?</title>
	<author>leighklotz</author>
	<datestamp>1260302340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How many apps could just be web pages?</p><p>How many apps could just be web pages if there were a couple more form controls for rich internet applications?</p><p>The app store is beginning to look more like a paywall attack on the web.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How many apps could just be web pages ? How many apps could just be web pages if there were a couple more form controls for rich internet applications ? The app store is beginning to look more like a paywall attack on the web .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many apps could just be web pages?How many apps could just be web pages if there were a couple more form controls for rich internet applications?The app store is beginning to look more like a paywall attack on the web.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367912</id>
	<title>Re:How in the heck did he get 1000 apps in the sto</title>
	<author>w0mprat</author>
	<datestamp>1260299400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Have you actually seen the iPhone app store? There's like 50 different fart button apps. Infact, I've heard jokes that the app store is really the same 100 applications 1000 times over. The point isn't too far from the truth however. The app store is completely glutted.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you actually seen the iPhone app store ?
There 's like 50 different fart button apps .
Infact , I 've heard jokes that the app store is really the same 100 applications 1000 times over .
The point is n't too far from the truth however .
The app store is completely glutted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you actually seen the iPhone app store?
There's like 50 different fart button apps.
Infact, I've heard jokes that the app store is really the same 100 applications 1000 times over.
The point isn't too far from the truth however.
The app store is completely glutted.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367226</id>
	<title>Did anyone look at their other apps???!?</title>
	<author>skgrey</author>
	<datestamp>1260296400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Did anyone look at their other apps? From a reviewer page for ColorMagic (http://appshopper.com/photography/colormagic), their other apps are about 95\% tour guide applications for various locations.
<br> <br>
Yes, they were inflating their reviews. But it doesn't look like this company is doing cheap knock-offs of thousands of apps. This is just sloppy journalism (or no research done). Nothing like getting a story out there and over-sensationalizing it. It's not like it couldn't have stood on its own merit - Apple finally spanked somebody for over-inflating reviews (which should have happened long ago IMO).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did anyone look at their other apps ?
From a reviewer page for ColorMagic ( http : //appshopper.com/photography/colormagic ) , their other apps are about 95 \ % tour guide applications for various locations .
Yes , they were inflating their reviews .
But it does n't look like this company is doing cheap knock-offs of thousands of apps .
This is just sloppy journalism ( or no research done ) .
Nothing like getting a story out there and over-sensationalizing it .
It 's not like it could n't have stood on its own merit - Apple finally spanked somebody for over-inflating reviews ( which should have happened long ago IMO ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did anyone look at their other apps?
From a reviewer page for ColorMagic (http://appshopper.com/photography/colormagic), their other apps are about 95\% tour guide applications for various locations.
Yes, they were inflating their reviews.
But it doesn't look like this company is doing cheap knock-offs of thousands of apps.
This is just sloppy journalism (or no research done).
Nothing like getting a story out there and over-sensationalizing it.
It's not like it couldn't have stood on its own merit - Apple finally spanked somebody for over-inflating reviews (which should have happened long ago IMO).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30372976</id>
	<title>Re:At The Risk</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1260281700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Mao happened between then and now. When you have a monolithic culture where standing out gets you beat down, and it's easier to just copy something than come up with something new, you get crap like this.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Mao didn't create this. The monolithic type culture you describe exists everywhere in Asia from Korea and Japan to Thailand and Malaysia, its drilled into them from a young age that it's not a good thing to be different.<br> <br>

That being said, it is not that much different to how the culture in the west has developed, the biggest difference is that the conformity system is enforced by peers rather then by parents and elders. If you're a geek then you remember how you were treated in high school because you were a little smarter then the average person or how someone is treated just because they liked a different kind of music, picture the kind of treatment one would get in high school for listening to classical music instead of Pop or Rap.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mao happened between then and now .
When you have a monolithic culture where standing out gets you beat down , and it 's easier to just copy something than come up with something new , you get crap like this .
Mao did n't create this .
The monolithic type culture you describe exists everywhere in Asia from Korea and Japan to Thailand and Malaysia , its drilled into them from a young age that it 's not a good thing to be different .
That being said , it is not that much different to how the culture in the west has developed , the biggest difference is that the conformity system is enforced by peers rather then by parents and elders .
If you 're a geek then you remember how you were treated in high school because you were a little smarter then the average person or how someone is treated just because they liked a different kind of music , picture the kind of treatment one would get in high school for listening to classical music instead of Pop or Rap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mao happened between then and now.
When you have a monolithic culture where standing out gets you beat down, and it's easier to just copy something than come up with something new, you get crap like this.
Mao didn't create this.
The monolithic type culture you describe exists everywhere in Asia from Korea and Japan to Thailand and Malaysia, its drilled into them from a young age that it's not a good thing to be different.
That being said, it is not that much different to how the culture in the west has developed, the biggest difference is that the conformity system is enforced by peers rather then by parents and elders.
If you're a geek then you remember how you were treated in high school because you were a little smarter then the average person or how someone is treated just because they liked a different kind of music, picture the kind of treatment one would get in high school for listening to classical music instead of Pop or Rap.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30429594</id>
	<title>Re:How in the heck did he get 1000 apps in the sto</title>
	<author>bostei2008</author>
	<datestamp>1260793800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The quantity of apps on the app store suggest that you're mistaken. A few developers have had some high profile troubles (made high profile because they complain loudly...) but how many thousands of apps have been approved?</p></div><p>How do you know its a "few developers"? Have you any hard numbers to prove you claim that almost everyone is happy? Just claiming something does not make it true.</p><p>I do not have hard numbers, but a number of my friends actually have applications in the App Store, and I have heard quite often that the approval process is pretty terrible. But I would never claim this as the objective truth, it could be sampling bias.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The quantity of apps on the app store suggest that you 're mistaken .
A few developers have had some high profile troubles ( made high profile because they complain loudly... ) but how many thousands of apps have been approved ? How do you know its a " few developers " ?
Have you any hard numbers to prove you claim that almost everyone is happy ?
Just claiming something does not make it true.I do not have hard numbers , but a number of my friends actually have applications in the App Store , and I have heard quite often that the approval process is pretty terrible .
But I would never claim this as the objective truth , it could be sampling bias .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>The quantity of apps on the app store suggest that you're mistaken.
A few developers have had some high profile troubles (made high profile because they complain loudly...) but how many thousands of apps have been approved?How do you know its a "few developers"?
Have you any hard numbers to prove you claim that almost everyone is happy?
Just claiming something does not make it true.I do not have hard numbers, but a number of my friends actually have applications in the App Store, and I have heard quite often that the approval process is pretty terrible.
But I would never claim this as the objective truth, it could be sampling bias.
 
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30383316</id>
	<title>Re:Did anyone look at their other apps???!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259587740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are your fu**ing kidding me. The "Update the App to get to the top" was being abused as well. I know a developer who "released" an update to his app just to be at the top of the list. He NEVER made any change. Both the ways to get visibility is abused and is a kick in the pants of Apple as they are one who suffer the most as their queues fill up fast. Consequently, every other developer suffers who cannot get their Updates to flow through speedly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are your fu * * ing kidding me .
The " Update the App to get to the top " was being abused as well .
I know a developer who " released " an update to his app just to be at the top of the list .
He NEVER made any change .
Both the ways to get visibility is abused and is a kick in the pants of Apple as they are one who suffer the most as their queues fill up fast .
Consequently , every other developer suffers who can not get their Updates to flow through speedly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are your fu**ing kidding me.
The "Update the App to get to the top" was being abused as well.
I know a developer who "released" an update to his app just to be at the top of the list.
He NEVER made any change.
Both the ways to get visibility is abused and is a kick in the pants of Apple as they are one who suffer the most as their queues fill up fast.
Consequently, every other developer suffers who cannot get their Updates to flow through speedly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30366976</id>
	<title>At The Risk</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260295260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At the risk of sounding perhaps trollish or inflammatory, or even over-generalizing, I have to ask why, over the course of the past couple of decades or so, perhaps longer, have the terms "China" and "cheap knockoffs" become synonymous?</p><p>Out of curiosity I headed over to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Chinese\_inventions" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">this list of Chinese inventions</a> [wikipedia.org] and I am surprised to see the numerous inventions by, and subsequent contributions to, humanity by the Chinese people.</p><p>It seems to me that they are quite capable of making new products and contributing new ideas, so why do they not do so? Why are there repeated examples of this sort of blatant copying? Can anyone clue me in here?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At the risk of sounding perhaps trollish or inflammatory , or even over-generalizing , I have to ask why , over the course of the past couple of decades or so , perhaps longer , have the terms " China " and " cheap knockoffs " become synonymous ? Out of curiosity I headed over to this list of Chinese inventions [ wikipedia.org ] and I am surprised to see the numerous inventions by , and subsequent contributions to , humanity by the Chinese people.It seems to me that they are quite capable of making new products and contributing new ideas , so why do they not do so ?
Why are there repeated examples of this sort of blatant copying ?
Can anyone clue me in here ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the risk of sounding perhaps trollish or inflammatory, or even over-generalizing, I have to ask why, over the course of the past couple of decades or so, perhaps longer, have the terms "China" and "cheap knockoffs" become synonymous?Out of curiosity I headed over to this list of Chinese inventions [wikipedia.org] and I am surprised to see the numerous inventions by, and subsequent contributions to, humanity by the Chinese people.It seems to me that they are quite capable of making new products and contributing new ideas, so why do they not do so?
Why are there repeated examples of this sort of blatant copying?
Can anyone clue me in here?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30368212</id>
	<title>Re:At The Risk</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260300540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For the same reason Japan was doing the same thing, 30 years earlier?  First the build our stuff for cheap, then they learn to rip off the plans and build cheap stuff that doesn't quite work, then they up the quality while keeping it cheap and Toyota takes over the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For the same reason Japan was doing the same thing , 30 years earlier ?
First the build our stuff for cheap , then they learn to rip off the plans and build cheap stuff that does n't quite work , then they up the quality while keeping it cheap and Toyota takes over the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the same reason Japan was doing the same thing, 30 years earlier?
First the build our stuff for cheap, then they learn to rip off the plans and build cheap stuff that doesn't quite work, then they up the quality while keeping it cheap and Toyota takes over the world.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30366884</id>
	<title>Great!</title>
	<author>AntiRush</author>
	<datestamp>1260294780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Great, a new way to remove my competition from the app store.  Post good reviews on their apps!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Great , a new way to remove my competition from the app store .
Post good reviews on their apps !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great, a new way to remove my competition from the app store.
Post good reviews on their apps!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30369550</id>
	<title>Re:How in the heck did he get 1000 apps in the sto</title>
	<author>abigor</author>
	<datestamp>1260262920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Real developers have trouble getting even small numbers of apps approved</p></div><p>No, they don't. Sometimes it takes a couple of weeks though.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Real developers have trouble getting even small numbers of apps approvedNo , they do n't .
Sometimes it takes a couple of weeks though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Real developers have trouble getting even small numbers of apps approvedNo, they don't.
Sometimes it takes a couple of weeks though.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367040</id>
	<title>Re:Article = Scam Guidebook 2.0</title>
	<author>ground.zero.612</author>
	<datestamp>1260295560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Ok, so they were INCREDIBLY stupid in how they went about their astro-turfing.  They literally had tons and tons of people review ONLY their apps and always give them 5 stars, it was only a matter of time till it was detected.

So, if you are wondering how to do this better, just RTFA.  The BIG kicker = Apple isn't going to refund any money, and the app dev isn't either.</p></div><p>Why would the developer refund money if the apps do what they were supposed to?</p><p>

Plus, everyone should know by now that ratings are subjective, <em>and</em> the interweb lies.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , so they were INCREDIBLY stupid in how they went about their astro-turfing .
They literally had tons and tons of people review ONLY their apps and always give them 5 stars , it was only a matter of time till it was detected .
So , if you are wondering how to do this better , just RTFA .
The BIG kicker = Apple is n't going to refund any money , and the app dev is n't either.Why would the developer refund money if the apps do what they were supposed to ?
Plus , everyone should know by now that ratings are subjective , and the interweb lies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, so they were INCREDIBLY stupid in how they went about their astro-turfing.
They literally had tons and tons of people review ONLY their apps and always give them 5 stars, it was only a matter of time till it was detected.
So, if you are wondering how to do this better, just RTFA.
The BIG kicker = Apple isn't going to refund any money, and the app dev isn't either.Why would the developer refund money if the apps do what they were supposed to?
Plus, everyone should know by now that ratings are subjective, and the interweb lies.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367018</id>
	<title>Re:How in the heck did he get 1000 apps in the sto</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1260295440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Real developers have trouble getting even small numbers of apps approved, and yet somehow these guys have literally a thousand crappy knockoff apps?</p></div><p>They just submit them all and wait for approval?</p><p>In fact, it may be precisely why real developers have to wait for that long to get their apps approved... because there's 1000 "knock-offs" in the queue before them!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Real developers have trouble getting even small numbers of apps approved , and yet somehow these guys have literally a thousand crappy knockoff apps ? They just submit them all and wait for approval ? In fact , it may be precisely why real developers have to wait for that long to get their apps approved... because there 's 1000 " knock-offs " in the queue before them !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Real developers have trouble getting even small numbers of apps approved, and yet somehow these guys have literally a thousand crappy knockoff apps?They just submit them all and wait for approval?In fact, it may be precisely why real developers have to wait for that long to get their apps approved... because there's 1000 "knock-offs" in the queue before them!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30370334</id>
	<title>Illegal?</title>
	<author>Bruha</author>
	<datestamp>1260266940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People are being paid to rate an app with 5 stars but not saying so.  That's now illegal.</p><p>It's a stretch, but I would expect that rating an app is equal to blogging supportively about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People are being paid to rate an app with 5 stars but not saying so .
That 's now illegal.It 's a stretch , but I would expect that rating an app is equal to blogging supportively about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People are being paid to rate an app with 5 stars but not saying so.
That's now illegal.It's a stretch, but I would expect that rating an app is equal to blogging supportively about it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367054</id>
	<title>Re:How in the heck did he get 1000 apps in the sto</title>
	<author>whisper\_jeff</author>
	<datestamp>1260295560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Real developers have trouble getting even small numbers of apps approved...</p></div><p>
The quantity of apps on the app store suggest that you're mistaken. A few developers have had some high profile troubles (made high profile because they complain loudly...) but how many thousands of apps have been approved? I think that number would suggest that it's not as hard as people believe to get an app approved. If you're doing bleeding edge work that pushes the boundaries of what Apple considers acceptable, then you might have troubles. But, if you're doing that sort of app design work then you should expect some troubles and understand you might need to tweak and adjust to accomplish your goal (unless, of course, your goal is to get your app rejected and raise a high profile stink about it...).<br> <br>
Regardless, thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of developers prove you wrong - it's not that difficult to get an app approved.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Real developers have trouble getting even small numbers of apps approved.. . The quantity of apps on the app store suggest that you 're mistaken .
A few developers have had some high profile troubles ( made high profile because they complain loudly... ) but how many thousands of apps have been approved ?
I think that number would suggest that it 's not as hard as people believe to get an app approved .
If you 're doing bleeding edge work that pushes the boundaries of what Apple considers acceptable , then you might have troubles .
But , if you 're doing that sort of app design work then you should expect some troubles and understand you might need to tweak and adjust to accomplish your goal ( unless , of course , your goal is to get your app rejected and raise a high profile stink about it... ) .
Regardless , thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of developers prove you wrong - it 's not that difficult to get an app approved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Real developers have trouble getting even small numbers of apps approved...
The quantity of apps on the app store suggest that you're mistaken.
A few developers have had some high profile troubles (made high profile because they complain loudly...) but how many thousands of apps have been approved?
I think that number would suggest that it's not as hard as people believe to get an app approved.
If you're doing bleeding edge work that pushes the boundaries of what Apple considers acceptable, then you might have troubles.
But, if you're doing that sort of app design work then you should expect some troubles and understand you might need to tweak and adjust to accomplish your goal (unless, of course, your goal is to get your app rejected and raise a high profile stink about it...).
Regardless, thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of developers prove you wrong - it's not that difficult to get an app approved.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367784</id>
	<title>Re:How in the heck did he get 1000 apps in the sto</title>
	<author>Mr\_Silver</author>
	<datestamp>1260298800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Real developers have trouble getting even small numbers of apps approved, and yet somehow these guys have literally a thousand crappy knockoff apps?</p></div></blockquote><p>To be fair, when a developer gets their app accepted they don't normally write a blog and then submit it to Slashdot. Our view of the "problems" with the App Store is just distorted because we only see the (very) small number of people who have a problem.</p><p>Real developers have no problems getting their application tested and into the store just fine. If the "problems" we see were widespread, there would be nothing in the App Store to download.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Real developers have trouble getting even small numbers of apps approved , and yet somehow these guys have literally a thousand crappy knockoff apps ? To be fair , when a developer gets their app accepted they do n't normally write a blog and then submit it to Slashdot .
Our view of the " problems " with the App Store is just distorted because we only see the ( very ) small number of people who have a problem.Real developers have no problems getting their application tested and into the store just fine .
If the " problems " we see were widespread , there would be nothing in the App Store to download .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Real developers have trouble getting even small numbers of apps approved, and yet somehow these guys have literally a thousand crappy knockoff apps?To be fair, when a developer gets their app accepted they don't normally write a blog and then submit it to Slashdot.
Our view of the "problems" with the App Store is just distorted because we only see the (very) small number of people who have a problem.Real developers have no problems getting their application tested and into the store just fine.
If the "problems" we see were widespread, there would be nothing in the App Store to download.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367416</id>
	<title>gaming your competitor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260297360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>now all you have to do is add 5 star reviews to your competition and wait for<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>App gets pulled for review bias - WIN WIN WIN<br>App goes gold and makes the developer rich - LOSE LOSE LOSE</p><p>Or claim your completition is gaming your reviews but you are adding them.<br>Or claim you are inflating your own reviews to scam your competition, oh, no  wait<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>now all you have to do is add 5 star reviews to your competition and wait for ...App gets pulled for review bias - WIN WIN WINApp goes gold and makes the developer rich - LOSE LOSE LOSEOr claim your completition is gaming your reviews but you are adding them.Or claim you are inflating your own reviews to scam your competition , oh , no wait .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>now all you have to do is add 5 star reviews to your competition and wait for ...App gets pulled for review bias - WIN WIN WINApp goes gold and makes the developer rich - LOSE LOSE LOSEOr claim your completition is gaming your reviews but you are adding them.Or claim you are inflating your own reviews to scam your competition, oh, no  wait ...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30366980</id>
	<title>Which scam?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260295260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This scam was so effective that the applications regularly rose to the tops of charts. One, called ColorMagic, even made it into the Staff Favorites section of the store (which brings some doubt as to whether these are actually staff picks at all).</p></div><p> <i>Suggests</i>? What it <b>shows</b> is that either "staff favorites" is noting more than an advertising section called "staff favorites" under false pretenses (grounds for a law suite anybody?) OR that the apple staff participated in the scam.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This scam was so effective that the applications regularly rose to the tops of charts .
One , called ColorMagic , even made it into the Staff Favorites section of the store ( which brings some doubt as to whether these are actually staff picks at all ) .
Suggests ? What it shows is that either " staff favorites " is noting more than an advertising section called " staff favorites " under false pretenses ( grounds for a law suite anybody ?
) OR that the apple staff participated in the scam .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This scam was so effective that the applications regularly rose to the tops of charts.
One, called ColorMagic, even made it into the Staff Favorites section of the store (which brings some doubt as to whether these are actually staff picks at all).
Suggests? What it shows is that either "staff favorites" is noting more than an advertising section called "staff favorites" under false pretenses (grounds for a law suite anybody?
) OR that the apple staff participated in the scam.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367616</id>
	<title>Knock offs? How ingenious!!</title>
	<author>recharged95</author>
	<datestamp>1260298260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"<i>this article as knock-offs of existing applications</i>"
<br>
<br>
Aside from the web 2.0 services, aren't all the other applications essentially knock offs from PocketPC or PalmOS apps? I mean music players, photo manipulators, pac mac, pinball, and card games, funnies, and such have been around for what, 7years? (Since the Tungsten W).</htmltext>
<tokenext>" this article as knock-offs of existing applications " Aside from the web 2.0 services , are n't all the other applications essentially knock offs from PocketPC or PalmOS apps ?
I mean music players , photo manipulators , pac mac , pinball , and card games , funnies , and such have been around for what , 7years ?
( Since the Tungsten W ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"this article as knock-offs of existing applications"


Aside from the web 2.0 services, aren't all the other applications essentially knock offs from PocketPC or PalmOS apps?
I mean music players, photo manipulators, pac mac, pinball, and card games, funnies, and such have been around for what, 7years?
(Since the Tungsten W).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30372998</id>
	<title>Re:Did anyone look at their other apps???!?</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1260281880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Apple plugged one hole, and left another one open. Honest dealing devs lost a tool that prompted them to improve their apps over time while shady devs just moved to the other side of the street.</p></div> </blockquote><p>

And here in lies one of the many problems with Apples Pathological Control(TM) system. It leaves the entire system open to gaming and manipulation by developers. It's a lot harder to game an open system as you have to deal with too many variables, with Apple you only have to trick Apple, with an open, user rated system like Android you have to trick the owner and the vast majority of users.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple plugged one hole , and left another one open .
Honest dealing devs lost a tool that prompted them to improve their apps over time while shady devs just moved to the other side of the street .
And here in lies one of the many problems with Apples Pathological Control ( TM ) system .
It leaves the entire system open to gaming and manipulation by developers .
It 's a lot harder to game an open system as you have to deal with too many variables , with Apple you only have to trick Apple , with an open , user rated system like Android you have to trick the owner and the vast majority of users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple plugged one hole, and left another one open.
Honest dealing devs lost a tool that prompted them to improve their apps over time while shady devs just moved to the other side of the street.
And here in lies one of the many problems with Apples Pathological Control(TM) system.
It leaves the entire system open to gaming and manipulation by developers.
It's a lot harder to game an open system as you have to deal with too many variables, with Apple you only have to trick Apple, with an open, user rated system like Android you have to trick the owner and the vast majority of users.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30370862</id>
	<title>Re:They cut the end of the article...</title>
	<author>JumpDrive</author>
	<datestamp>1260269400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah we are, it's what we do best badmouth the system.  When it comes time to change the system, that's when we go "Rogue"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah we are , it 's what we do best badmouth the system .
When it comes time to change the system , that 's when we go " Rogue "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah we are, it's what we do best badmouth the system.
When it comes time to change the system, that's when we go "Rogue"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367224</id>
	<title>They cut the end of the article...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260296400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... it should have continued thusly: <br> <br>
But can Apple be blamed for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals? For if you do, then shouldn&rsquo;t we blame the whole App Store system? And if the whole App Store system is guilty, then isn&rsquo;t this an indictment of our computing institutions in general? I put it to you - isn&rsquo;t this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want, but we&rsquo;re not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!</htmltext>
<tokenext>... it should have continued thusly : But can Apple be blamed for the behavior of a few , sick twisted individuals ?
For if you do , then shouldn    t we blame the whole App Store system ?
And if the whole App Store system is guilty , then isn    t this an indictment of our computing institutions in general ?
I put it to you - isn    t this an indictment of our entire American society ?
Well , you can do whatever you want , but we    re not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America .
Gentlemen !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... it should have continued thusly:  
But can Apple be blamed for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals?
For if you do, then shouldn’t we blame the whole App Store system?
And if the whole App Store system is guilty, then isn’t this an indictment of our computing institutions in general?
I put it to you - isn’t this an indictment of our entire American society?
Well, you can do whatever you want, but we’re not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.
Gentlemen!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30369612</id>
	<title>Screw Apple</title>
	<author>Mark19960</author>
	<datestamp>1260263220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As I waste karma.... Yes that's right apple fanboys... Screw Apple<br>I don't care if it's a knock-off application.<br>I don't care if some chinese company put it out there.<br>I don't care if someone bought their review! Apple probably does it!<br>Apple = The pot calling the kettle black......<br>What I DO care about is Apple being phone and computer police.<br>I bought it, it's mine.<br>If I want a knock-off app, dammit I paid for the phone and it's my choice not yours.<br>There are many, many knock off applications out there for virtually anything and some people like them, some don't.</p><p>If Microsoft started playing application police there would be hell to pay but oh no, it's Apple..... that's okay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As I waste karma.... Yes that 's right apple fanboys... Screw AppleI do n't care if it 's a knock-off application.I do n't care if some chinese company put it out there.I do n't care if someone bought their review !
Apple probably does it ! Apple = The pot calling the kettle black......What I DO care about is Apple being phone and computer police.I bought it , it 's mine.If I want a knock-off app , dammit I paid for the phone and it 's my choice not yours.There are many , many knock off applications out there for virtually anything and some people like them , some do n't.If Microsoft started playing application police there would be hell to pay but oh no , it 's Apple..... that 's okay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As I waste karma.... Yes that's right apple fanboys... Screw AppleI don't care if it's a knock-off application.I don't care if some chinese company put it out there.I don't care if someone bought their review!
Apple probably does it!Apple = The pot calling the kettle black......What I DO care about is Apple being phone and computer police.I bought it, it's mine.If I want a knock-off app, dammit I paid for the phone and it's my choice not yours.There are many, many knock off applications out there for virtually anything and some people like them, some don't.If Microsoft started playing application police there would be hell to pay but oh no, it's Apple..... that's okay.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30369836</id>
	<title>Re:At The Risk</title>
	<author>EvilIdler</author>
	<datestamp>1260264240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You might want to check out the MP3 player market, particularly so-called "Chipods". Tons of fake products (literally tons), and just as many that merely copy Apple design without using the name. The worst fakes have copies of all the printed material included with originals. I also have a small collection of Sony-branded USB storage, not one of which has been inside a Sony factory. A trip to the high-tech areas of China would show you just how bad it is. Enter any electronics store, and marvel at all the mobile phones - Motorola-branded phones with an interface you're not likely to see anywhere on a western phone, and colours the original manufacturer never would be caught dead producing. To be fair, most support dual SIMMs, at least<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You might want to check out the MP3 player market , particularly so-called " Chipods " .
Tons of fake products ( literally tons ) , and just as many that merely copy Apple design without using the name .
The worst fakes have copies of all the printed material included with originals .
I also have a small collection of Sony-branded USB storage , not one of which has been inside a Sony factory .
A trip to the high-tech areas of China would show you just how bad it is .
Enter any electronics store , and marvel at all the mobile phones - Motorola-branded phones with an interface you 're not likely to see anywhere on a western phone , and colours the original manufacturer never would be caught dead producing .
To be fair , most support dual SIMMs , at least : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You might want to check out the MP3 player market, particularly so-called "Chipods".
Tons of fake products (literally tons), and just as many that merely copy Apple design without using the name.
The worst fakes have copies of all the printed material included with originals.
I also have a small collection of Sony-branded USB storage, not one of which has been inside a Sony factory.
A trip to the high-tech areas of China would show you just how bad it is.
Enter any electronics store, and marvel at all the mobile phones - Motorola-branded phones with an interface you're not likely to see anywhere on a western phone, and colours the original manufacturer never would be caught dead producing.
To be fair, most support dual SIMMs, at least :)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367540</id>
	<title>Re:At The Risk</title>
	<author>BearRanger</author>
	<datestamp>1260297900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>*snip*</p><p>It seems to me that they are quite capable of making new products and contributing new ideas, so why do they not do so? Why are there repeated examples of this sort of blatant copying? Can anyone clue me in here?</p></div><p>Because invention and innovation take time and actually cost money.  Cheaply copying something is, well, cheap and makes money very quickly.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>* snip * It seems to me that they are quite capable of making new products and contributing new ideas , so why do they not do so ?
Why are there repeated examples of this sort of blatant copying ?
Can anyone clue me in here ? Because invention and innovation take time and actually cost money .
Cheaply copying something is , well , cheap and makes money very quickly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*snip*It seems to me that they are quite capable of making new products and contributing new ideas, so why do they not do so?
Why are there repeated examples of this sort of blatant copying?
Can anyone clue me in here?Because invention and innovation take time and actually cost money.
Cheaply copying something is, well, cheap and makes money very quickly.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30366960</id>
	<title>Article = Scam Guidebook 2.0</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260295140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ok, so they were INCREDIBLY stupid in how they went about their astro-turfing.  They literally had tons and tons of people review ONLY their apps and always give them 5 stars, it was only a matter of time till it was detected.

So, if you are wondering how to do this better, just RTFA.  The BIG kicker = Apple isn't going to refund any money, and the app dev isn't either.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , so they were INCREDIBLY stupid in how they went about their astro-turfing .
They literally had tons and tons of people review ONLY their apps and always give them 5 stars , it was only a matter of time till it was detected .
So , if you are wondering how to do this better , just RTFA .
The BIG kicker = Apple is n't going to refund any money , and the app dev is n't either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, so they were INCREDIBLY stupid in how they went about their astro-turfing.
They literally had tons and tons of people review ONLY their apps and always give them 5 stars, it was only a matter of time till it was detected.
So, if you are wondering how to do this better, just RTFA.
The BIG kicker = Apple isn't going to refund any money, and the app dev isn't either.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30376344</id>
	<title>Re:How in the heck did he get 1000 apps in the sto</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259592060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Have you actually seen the iPhone app store? There's like 50 different fart button apps.</p> </div><p>Funny that, look at <a href="http://www.androlib.com/r.aspx?r=fart&amp;p=5" title="androlib.com" rel="nofollow">this list</a> [androlib.com] of exactly 50 fart apps for Android.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you actually seen the iPhone app store ?
There 's like 50 different fart button apps .
Funny that , look at this list [ androlib.com ] of exactly 50 fart apps for Android .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you actually seen the iPhone app store?
There's like 50 different fart button apps.
Funny that, look at this list [androlib.com] of exactly 50 fart apps for Android.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30370286</id>
	<title>Re:Thank goodness!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260266760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most other OSs have more than one store to choose from.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most other OSs have more than one store to choose from .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most other OSs have more than one store to choose from.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367714</id>
	<title>Re:How in the heck did he get 1000 apps in the sto</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260298560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sure a $299/yr membership gets you more pull than than a $99/yr membership.
<br>
<br>
<br>
The again, 299 or 99, if Apple can get subscription fees for apps that will sell 1-2 qty per year is a gold mine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure a $ 299/yr membership gets you more pull than than a $ 99/yr membership .
The again , 299 or 99 , if Apple can get subscription fees for apps that will sell 1-2 qty per year is a gold mine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure a $299/yr membership gets you more pull than than a $99/yr membership.
The again, 299 or 99, if Apple can get subscription fees for apps that will sell 1-2 qty per year is a gold mine.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30368688</id>
	<title>Re:At The Risk</title>
	<author>oldhack</author>
	<datestamp>1260302220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Duh, what are you, slow?
</p><p>
We aped everything in England and Europe until we started kicking their asses.  One difference I suspect, though, is the economic pressure is much worse there than it was here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Duh , what are you , slow ?
We aped everything in England and Europe until we started kicking their asses .
One difference I suspect , though , is the economic pressure is much worse there than it was here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Duh, what are you, slow?
We aped everything in England and Europe until we started kicking their asses.
One difference I suspect, though, is the economic pressure is much worse there than it was here.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1616259.30367536</id>
	<title>Re:How in the heck did he get 1000 apps in the sto</title>
	<author>MobyDisk</author>
	<datestamp>1260297900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>pushes the boundaries of what Apple considers acceptable</p></div><p>The problem is that those boundaries are not defined.  Which is why we get rejections on <a href="http://www.politico.com/click/stories/0911/congress\_iphone\_app\_denied.html" title="politico.com">artistic grounds</a> [politico.com] and other such stupidities.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>pushes the boundaries of what Apple considers acceptableThe problem is that those boundaries are not defined .
Which is why we get rejections on artistic grounds [ politico.com ] and other such stupidities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>pushes the boundaries of what Apple considers acceptableThe problem is that those boundaries are not defined.
Which is why we get rejections on artistic grounds [politico.com] and other such stupidities.
	</sentencetext>
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