<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_08_1458212</id>
	<title>Israeli Knesset Approves Biometric Database Law</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1260285660000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Lord Duran writes <i>"The Israeli Knesset approved a bill that will require every Israeli citizen to submit a <a href="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3816629,00.html">visual scan of their face and a biometric scan of their fingerprints</a> to a national database. I, for one, fail to see how this is anything but evil. TFA mentions the Israeli census was breached &mdash; I'd like to point out, for comparison, that it's still freely available on your peer-to-peer file sharing network of choice."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lord Duran writes " The Israeli Knesset approved a bill that will require every Israeli citizen to submit a visual scan of their face and a biometric scan of their fingerprints to a national database .
I , for one , fail to see how this is anything but evil .
TFA mentions the Israeli census was breached    I 'd like to point out , for comparison , that it 's still freely available on your peer-to-peer file sharing network of choice .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lord Duran writes "The Israeli Knesset approved a bill that will require every Israeli citizen to submit a visual scan of their face and a biometric scan of their fingerprints to a national database.
I, for one, fail to see how this is anything but evil.
TFA mentions the Israeli census was breached — I'd like to point out, for comparison, that it's still freely available on your peer-to-peer file sharing network of choice.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366932</id>
	<title>Re:It's Israel</title>
	<author>R2.0</author>
	<datestamp>1260295020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"You can blame the Jews for persecuting the Palestinians, but you can't say that everything they do is evil."</p></div></blockquote><p>Your bias is showing through.  You are identifying one group by religion and one by nationality.  It should either be:</p><p>"You can blame the <b>Israelis</b> for persecuting the Palestinians".</p><p>Or</p><p>"You can blame the Jews for persecuting the <b>Muslims</b>"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" You can blame the Jews for persecuting the Palestinians , but you ca n't say that everything they do is evil .
" Your bias is showing through .
You are identifying one group by religion and one by nationality .
It should either be : " You can blame the Israelis for persecuting the Palestinians " .Or " You can blame the Jews for persecuting the Muslims "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"You can blame the Jews for persecuting the Palestinians, but you can't say that everything they do is evil.
"Your bias is showing through.
You are identifying one group by religion and one by nationality.
It should either be:"You can blame the Israelis for persecuting the Palestinians".Or"You can blame the Jews for persecuting the Muslims"
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365776</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30367190</id>
	<title>Re:Evil?</title>
	<author>Myopic</author>
	<datestamp>1260296220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, I mostly agree with that. In a country like the US, though, it's difficult to come up with laws which are appropriate for the general population as well as the people who want to live off the grid, and those are important people to keep around. Israel is dealing with different constraints.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I mostly agree with that .
In a country like the US , though , it 's difficult to come up with laws which are appropriate for the general population as well as the people who want to live off the grid , and those are important people to keep around .
Israel is dealing with different constraints .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I mostly agree with that.
In a country like the US, though, it's difficult to come up with laws which are appropriate for the general population as well as the people who want to live off the grid, and those are important people to keep around.
Israel is dealing with different constraints.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365888</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30370082</id>
	<title>Re:Godwin's Law?</title>
	<author>moxley</author>
	<datestamp>1260265740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly, and unfortunately that's only one of many ironies that exist between things the NSDAP german government did and the actions of the Israeli government.</p><p>Israel has drifted even further into fascism than the US has - of course, the powers that be there don't like criticism and and tend to try to stifle any criticism on their dreadful human rights record and severe violations of international law by suggesting that any mention of any of the above is anti-semitism; when in fact - all that argument points out is that the person making it is either a total idiot that doesn't know the difference between a race/religion and a country (or political movement if zionism is the point in question), OR they are purposefully using the anti-semitism argument as a tool to stop all debate. Luckily, people are wise to this now.</p><p>So my point is that I think it's absolutely a bad idea for the people of Israel, and that, while no government is beyond misuse of such a tool (especially these days) the Israeli government is one of the last ones I would trust with such a resource.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly , and unfortunately that 's only one of many ironies that exist between things the NSDAP german government did and the actions of the Israeli government.Israel has drifted even further into fascism than the US has - of course , the powers that be there do n't like criticism and and tend to try to stifle any criticism on their dreadful human rights record and severe violations of international law by suggesting that any mention of any of the above is anti-semitism ; when in fact - all that argument points out is that the person making it is either a total idiot that does n't know the difference between a race/religion and a country ( or political movement if zionism is the point in question ) , OR they are purposefully using the anti-semitism argument as a tool to stop all debate .
Luckily , people are wise to this now.So my point is that I think it 's absolutely a bad idea for the people of Israel , and that , while no government is beyond misuse of such a tool ( especially these days ) the Israeli government is one of the last ones I would trust with such a resource .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly, and unfortunately that's only one of many ironies that exist between things the NSDAP german government did and the actions of the Israeli government.Israel has drifted even further into fascism than the US has - of course, the powers that be there don't like criticism and and tend to try to stifle any criticism on their dreadful human rights record and severe violations of international law by suggesting that any mention of any of the above is anti-semitism; when in fact - all that argument points out is that the person making it is either a total idiot that doesn't know the difference between a race/religion and a country (or political movement if zionism is the point in question), OR they are purposefully using the anti-semitism argument as a tool to stop all debate.
Luckily, people are wise to this now.So my point is that I think it's absolutely a bad idea for the people of Israel, and that, while no government is beyond misuse of such a tool (especially these days) the Israeli government is one of the last ones I would trust with such a resource.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366266</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366890</id>
	<title>Benefits of this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260294780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With all the paranoid words put up you would think that the whole audience is hooked on cocaine.<br>If anyone has ever walked through airport security by scanning a fingerprint while watching people wait hours on line to check passports they would see that there is at least some benefit for this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With all the paranoid words put up you would think that the whole audience is hooked on cocaine.If anyone has ever walked through airport security by scanning a fingerprint while watching people wait hours on line to check passports they would see that there is at least some benefit for this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With all the paranoid words put up you would think that the whole audience is hooked on cocaine.If anyone has ever walked through airport security by scanning a fingerprint while watching people wait hours on line to check passports they would see that there is at least some benefit for this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30367462</id>
	<title>Re:Ironic</title>
	<author>molecular</author>
	<datestamp>1260297540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>how is this flamebait?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>how is this flamebait ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how is this flamebait?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365808</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30374612</id>
	<title>Just curious</title>
	<author>mahadiga</author>
	<datestamp>1260300360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does all <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals\_for\_a\_Jewish\_state" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Jewish people across the World</a> [wikipedia.org] have same <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplotype" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Haplotype</a> [wikipedia.org]?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does all Jewish people across the World [ wikipedia.org ] have same Haplotype [ wikipedia.org ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does all Jewish people across the World [wikipedia.org] have same Haplotype [wikipedia.org]?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30374626</id>
	<title>Re:We can do it!</title>
	<author>Eli Gottlieb</author>
	<datestamp>1260300540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you not noticed that hundreds of extremely cantankerous Anonymous Cowards suddenly want to debate Palestinian rights whenever a story about Israel shows up on Slashdot?  We could have "Windows 8 Beta Defaults to Hebrew by Accident" due to the efforts of the Israeli Microsoft branch, and someone would mod up jackasses trying to debate whether or not to <i>have</i> an Israel.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you not noticed that hundreds of extremely cantankerous Anonymous Cowards suddenly want to debate Palestinian rights whenever a story about Israel shows up on Slashdot ?
We could have " Windows 8 Beta Defaults to Hebrew by Accident " due to the efforts of the Israeli Microsoft branch , and someone would mod up jackasses trying to debate whether or not to have an Israel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you not noticed that hundreds of extremely cantankerous Anonymous Cowards suddenly want to debate Palestinian rights whenever a story about Israel shows up on Slashdot?
We could have "Windows 8 Beta Defaults to Hebrew by Accident" due to the efforts of the Israeli Microsoft branch, and someone would mod up jackasses trying to debate whether or not to have an Israel.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365722</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365746</id>
	<title>Re:How do you change your password?</title>
	<author>Rik Sweeney</author>
	<datestamp>1260289920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/08/0015216" title="slashdot.org">Like this</a> [slashdot.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like this [ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like this [slashdot.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365674</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30369662</id>
	<title>Re:We can do it!</title>
	<author>derGoldstein</author>
	<datestamp>1260263400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's no iPhone in the title. Everybody knows that if you want noise then you *must* include an "iphone", preferably twice. Also, if you want to remain competetive, using "privacy" is advisable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no iPhone in the title .
Everybody knows that if you want noise then you * must * include an " iphone " , preferably twice .
Also , if you want to remain competetive , using " privacy " is advisable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no iPhone in the title.
Everybody knows that if you want noise then you *must* include an "iphone", preferably twice.
Also, if you want to remain competetive, using "privacy" is advisable.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365722</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366104</id>
	<title>Re:A Great Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260291420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Every human being on the planet should be fingerprinted, retinal scanned and DNA sampled. If they've nothing to hide why should they object? Only scumbags with something to hide would want to remain in the shadows. Also, only those who have served their country in the military should have citizenship status and get the priviledges that offers (business and home ownership, drivers license, social security at retirement, etc). And automobiles should be required to have an alcohol detector so that they cannot be started if the driver has been drinking.</p></div><p>I really hope you're joking, and if you aren't then you are a complete moron.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Every human being on the planet should be fingerprinted , retinal scanned and DNA sampled .
If they 've nothing to hide why should they object ?
Only scumbags with something to hide would want to remain in the shadows .
Also , only those who have served their country in the military should have citizenship status and get the priviledges that offers ( business and home ownership , drivers license , social security at retirement , etc ) .
And automobiles should be required to have an alcohol detector so that they can not be started if the driver has been drinking.I really hope you 're joking , and if you are n't then you are a complete moron .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every human being on the planet should be fingerprinted, retinal scanned and DNA sampled.
If they've nothing to hide why should they object?
Only scumbags with something to hide would want to remain in the shadows.
Also, only those who have served their country in the military should have citizenship status and get the priviledges that offers (business and home ownership, drivers license, social security at retirement, etc).
And automobiles should be required to have an alcohol detector so that they cannot be started if the driver has been drinking.I really hope you're joking, and if you aren't then you are a complete moron.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365914</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365722</id>
	<title>We can do it!</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1260289860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>We can construct a topic that will generate the lowest signal to noise ratio EVER! Proceed, gentlemen, proceed!</htmltext>
<tokenext>We can construct a topic that will generate the lowest signal to noise ratio EVER !
Proceed , gentlemen , proceed !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We can construct a topic that will generate the lowest signal to noise ratio EVER!
Proceed, gentlemen, proceed!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30368926</id>
	<title>Re:How do you change your password?</title>
	<author>cayenne8</author>
	<datestamp>1260303300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"...not being able to make up new identities willy-nilly is the whole point."</i> <p>
Why?</p><p>
I mean, at least in the US, as far as I know, it isn't against the law to be whomever you want to be. I believe there isn't any law against changing your identity. I know you can do it legally (legally as in binding and legal to use for things like applying for SS, etc). But as far as I know, there is no law out there requiring you to say you are Bob, if you feel like being Sammy or Cher the next day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...not being able to make up new identities willy-nilly is the whole point .
" Why ?
I mean , at least in the US , as far as I know , it is n't against the law to be whomever you want to be .
I believe there is n't any law against changing your identity .
I know you can do it legally ( legally as in binding and legal to use for things like applying for SS , etc ) .
But as far as I know , there is no law out there requiring you to say you are Bob , if you feel like being Sammy or Cher the next day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"...not being able to make up new identities willy-nilly is the whole point.
" 
Why?
I mean, at least in the US, as far as I know, it isn't against the law to be whomever you want to be.
I believe there isn't any law against changing your identity.
I know you can do it legally (legally as in binding and legal to use for things like applying for SS, etc).
But as far as I know, there is no law out there requiring you to say you are Bob, if you feel like being Sammy or Cher the next day.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365808</id>
	<title>Ironic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260290220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder if the next step will be to require Palestinians to were a yellow star-and-moon on their clothes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if the next step will be to require Palestinians to were a yellow star-and-moon on their clothes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if the next step will be to require Palestinians to were a yellow star-and-moon on their clothes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30379920</id>
	<title>Re:Mark of the beast</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259613480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>no wonder, it is an evil country</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>no wonder , it is an evil country</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no wonder, it is an evil country</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365656</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366702</id>
	<title>Re:Godwin's Law?</title>
	<author>MiniMike</author>
	<datestamp>1260293760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>a little man in Germany fifty years ago did something very similar</p></div><p>
You're posting from 1987?  And not claiming first post?</p><p>
Since you have 22 years to think about it, please elaborate on how signing people up for drivers licenses and passports is similar to burning and looting their property, murdering them in the streets, and then rounding up the rest and sending them to concentration camps?  I don't think that's what the Israeli government plans.  If you don't like biometric databases that's fine, but at least add something intelligent to the discussion.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>a little man in Germany fifty years ago did something very similar You 're posting from 1987 ?
And not claiming first post ?
Since you have 22 years to think about it , please elaborate on how signing people up for drivers licenses and passports is similar to burning and looting their property , murdering them in the streets , and then rounding up the rest and sending them to concentration camps ?
I do n't think that 's what the Israeli government plans .
If you do n't like biometric databases that 's fine , but at least add something intelligent to the discussion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a little man in Germany fifty years ago did something very similar
You're posting from 1987?
And not claiming first post?
Since you have 22 years to think about it, please elaborate on how signing people up for drivers licenses and passports is similar to burning and looting their property, murdering them in the streets, and then rounding up the rest and sending them to concentration camps?
I don't think that's what the Israeli government plans.
If you don't like biometric databases that's fine, but at least add something intelligent to the discussion.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366266</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30370452</id>
	<title>Aren't barcodes easier</title>
	<author>Lawrence\_Bird</author>
	<datestamp>1260267300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>probably politically incorrect but heck if they are going to those lengths to store the data about everyone just go with the barcode tat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>probably politically incorrect but heck if they are going to those lengths to store the data about everyone just go with the barcode tat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>probably politically incorrect but heck if they are going to those lengths to store the data about everyone just go with the barcode tat.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366258</id>
	<title>Godwin in 3... 2... 1...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260292080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>So much for "never again".</htmltext>
<tokenext>So much for " never again " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So much for "never again".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365852</id>
	<title>Re:How do you change your password?</title>
	<author>NoYob</author>
	<datestamp>1260290400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Same problem with all biometrics.</p><p>What happens when the system is compromised?  How do I change my password?</p></div><p>Or worse, what if Osama Bin Laden (or any other terorist) get's to insert <i>his</i> bio information into an Israeli citizen's profile? Now, Bin Laden has a valid Bio-Informatic ID in Israel. If he shaved off his beard, I couldn't tell him apart. It's been years since I've seen a photo of him. He'd get away with being Bernie Horowitz.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Same problem with all biometrics.What happens when the system is compromised ?
How do I change my password ? Or worse , what if Osama Bin Laden ( or any other terorist ) get 's to insert his bio information into an Israeli citizen 's profile ?
Now , Bin Laden has a valid Bio-Informatic ID in Israel .
If he shaved off his beard , I could n't tell him apart .
It 's been years since I 've seen a photo of him .
He 'd get away with being Bernie Horowitz .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same problem with all biometrics.What happens when the system is compromised?
How do I change my password?Or worse, what if Osama Bin Laden (or any other terorist) get's to insert his bio information into an Israeli citizen's profile?
Now, Bin Laden has a valid Bio-Informatic ID in Israel.
If he shaved off his beard, I couldn't tell him apart.
It's been years since I've seen a photo of him.
He'd get away with being Bernie Horowitz.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365674</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366220</id>
	<title>Re:Evil?</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1260291900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just because something is already done doesn't make it acceptable. Political corruption is the norm, but you don't see people not affected by it supporting it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just because something is already done does n't make it acceptable .
Political corruption is the norm , but you do n't see people not affected by it supporting it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just because something is already done doesn't make it acceptable.
Political corruption is the norm, but you don't see people not affected by it supporting it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365888</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30369082</id>
	<title>Revelations isn't a chapter in the Torah</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260304080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But it's still evil.  I always tell rednecks :</p><p>Israel is one of the very few countries in the world with significant terrorism problems.  If Israel doesn't need some security measure, we sure as hell don't need it.</p><p>So Israel agreeing to buy American tech with America's aid money to keep American politicians happy hurts my argument.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But it 's still evil .
I always tell rednecks : Israel is one of the very few countries in the world with significant terrorism problems .
If Israel does n't need some security measure , we sure as hell do n't need it.So Israel agreeing to buy American tech with America 's aid money to keep American politicians happy hurts my argument .
: (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But it's still evil.
I always tell rednecks :Israel is one of the very few countries in the world with significant terrorism problems.
If Israel doesn't need some security measure, we sure as hell don't need it.So Israel agreeing to buy American tech with America's aid money to keep American politicians happy hurts my argument.
:(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30374678</id>
	<title>Eizeh manyaqit ha'knesset!</title>
	<author>Eli Gottlieb</author>
	<datestamp>1260301260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dear fucking God, Knesset, do you have any valid security reason for this?  Everyone already has to carry a teudat zehut around 24/7 and submit to searches at every major building entrance.  How will biometrics in a huge database no-doubt built by some friend of yours in the hi-tech industry prevent a suicide bombing or a rocket attack?</p><p>If the Knesset wants to do something about Israel's security they could try just about anything that's not such a blatant kick-back to industrial friends.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear fucking God , Knesset , do you have any valid security reason for this ?
Everyone already has to carry a teudat zehut around 24/7 and submit to searches at every major building entrance .
How will biometrics in a huge database no-doubt built by some friend of yours in the hi-tech industry prevent a suicide bombing or a rocket attack ? If the Knesset wants to do something about Israel 's security they could try just about anything that 's not such a blatant kick-back to industrial friends .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear fucking God, Knesset, do you have any valid security reason for this?
Everyone already has to carry a teudat zehut around 24/7 and submit to searches at every major building entrance.
How will biometrics in a huge database no-doubt built by some friend of yours in the hi-tech industry prevent a suicide bombing or a rocket attack?If the Knesset wants to do something about Israel's security they could try just about anything that's not such a blatant kick-back to industrial friends.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365658</id>
	<title>Makes sense.</title>
	<author>Kill all Muslims</author>
	<datestamp>1260289560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Jews did WTC, so hopefully this system will prevent future terrorist attacks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Jews did WTC , so hopefully this system will prevent future terrorist attacks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jews did WTC, so hopefully this system will prevent future terrorist attacks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30371004</id>
	<title>Trends in Israeli soceity</title>
	<author>bradbury</author>
	<datestamp>1260269940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It sounds to me like the trends in Israeli (Jewish) society are little different from the trends with Christian or Islamist fundamantalists -- they seek an exclusionist society with uniform beliefs.  I believe this Sunday, Thomas L. Friedman made the point on a news talk show that there are a number of people within these societies (he was speaking about Islamist societies but it could be applied as well to Jewish or Christian societies) -- who want to turn back the clock to the 13th century -- where the Torah's and Bible's and Quran's dictated reality (if you could sort it out from what each of them says) is the fundamental reality -- and attempt to enforce upon the societies around them and the world that that *opinion* is the "real" reality.  So for the Israeli's to push towards a more exclusive society (are they building settlements for the Palestinians, no, are they building settlements for the Christians, no, they are building settlements for the Jews -- and they fail to recognize that within the general trends in the world -- keeping control of a little bit of land is a historical artifact -- my solution to the problem of Israel/Palestine would be to use nanotechnology to construct a second copy of Isreal out in the Mediterranean creating dual Jewish/Islamic states -- using 50\% of the atoms in the original copy -- So nobody could really say which is "better" (or maybe move it into a better climate where the rainfall is higher while the views are just as good) [and don't 'dis me on the concept, go read my Sapphire Mansions paper].  And so the only objection one can imagine is the faction of Israeli society that would object to 1/2 of their "homeland" atoms being moved to a jurisdiction under the control of the Palestinians.  I mean *really* -- you want to claim that those are "Jewish atoms"???</p><p>Fundamentalists will never likely accept rational thought processes (in particular where science shows their beliefs are false), in large part that because current systems indoctrinate children with "beliefs" before their ability for "rational thought" develops.  They seek to maintain their belief system and will from time to time act upon it.  The only response the rest of us can take is to resist this and keep pointing out the contradictions and flaws in their thinking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It sounds to me like the trends in Israeli ( Jewish ) society are little different from the trends with Christian or Islamist fundamantalists -- they seek an exclusionist society with uniform beliefs .
I believe this Sunday , Thomas L. Friedman made the point on a news talk show that there are a number of people within these societies ( he was speaking about Islamist societies but it could be applied as well to Jewish or Christian societies ) -- who want to turn back the clock to the 13th century -- where the Torah 's and Bible 's and Quran 's dictated reality ( if you could sort it out from what each of them says ) is the fundamental reality -- and attempt to enforce upon the societies around them and the world that that * opinion * is the " real " reality .
So for the Israeli 's to push towards a more exclusive society ( are they building settlements for the Palestinians , no , are they building settlements for the Christians , no , they are building settlements for the Jews -- and they fail to recognize that within the general trends in the world -- keeping control of a little bit of land is a historical artifact -- my solution to the problem of Israel/Palestine would be to use nanotechnology to construct a second copy of Isreal out in the Mediterranean creating dual Jewish/Islamic states -- using 50 \ % of the atoms in the original copy -- So nobody could really say which is " better " ( or maybe move it into a better climate where the rainfall is higher while the views are just as good ) [ and do n't 'dis me on the concept , go read my Sapphire Mansions paper ] .
And so the only objection one can imagine is the faction of Israeli society that would object to 1/2 of their " homeland " atoms being moved to a jurisdiction under the control of the Palestinians .
I mean * really * -- you want to claim that those are " Jewish atoms " ? ?
? Fundamentalists will never likely accept rational thought processes ( in particular where science shows their beliefs are false ) , in large part that because current systems indoctrinate children with " beliefs " before their ability for " rational thought " develops .
They seek to maintain their belief system and will from time to time act upon it .
The only response the rest of us can take is to resist this and keep pointing out the contradictions and flaws in their thinking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It sounds to me like the trends in Israeli (Jewish) society are little different from the trends with Christian or Islamist fundamantalists -- they seek an exclusionist society with uniform beliefs.
I believe this Sunday, Thomas L. Friedman made the point on a news talk show that there are a number of people within these societies (he was speaking about Islamist societies but it could be applied as well to Jewish or Christian societies) -- who want to turn back the clock to the 13th century -- where the Torah's and Bible's and Quran's dictated reality (if you could sort it out from what each of them says) is the fundamental reality -- and attempt to enforce upon the societies around them and the world that that *opinion* is the "real" reality.
So for the Israeli's to push towards a more exclusive society (are they building settlements for the Palestinians, no, are they building settlements for the Christians, no, they are building settlements for the Jews -- and they fail to recognize that within the general trends in the world -- keeping control of a little bit of land is a historical artifact -- my solution to the problem of Israel/Palestine would be to use nanotechnology to construct a second copy of Isreal out in the Mediterranean creating dual Jewish/Islamic states -- using 50\% of the atoms in the original copy -- So nobody could really say which is "better" (or maybe move it into a better climate where the rainfall is higher while the views are just as good) [and don't 'dis me on the concept, go read my Sapphire Mansions paper].
And so the only objection one can imagine is the faction of Israeli society that would object to 1/2 of their "homeland" atoms being moved to a jurisdiction under the control of the Palestinians.
I mean *really* -- you want to claim that those are "Jewish atoms"??
?Fundamentalists will never likely accept rational thought processes (in particular where science shows their beliefs are false), in large part that because current systems indoctrinate children with "beliefs" before their ability for "rational thought" develops.
They seek to maintain their belief system and will from time to time act upon it.
The only response the rest of us can take is to resist this and keep pointing out the contradictions and flaws in their thinking.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365932</id>
	<title>When I was born</title>
	<author>JerryLove</author>
	<datestamp>1260290700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I was born, my foot prints were put on the birth certificate, which is on file, for identification (my social security card validates against it). When I got my state ID, that had my picture. When I got my SBU clearance, my fingerprints and photo went on record.</p><p>It seems to me that the line in question is fictitious. The only question is the efficiency of the ID method, and the security of the database.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was born , my foot prints were put on the birth certificate , which is on file , for identification ( my social security card validates against it ) .
When I got my state ID , that had my picture .
When I got my SBU clearance , my fingerprints and photo went on record.It seems to me that the line in question is fictitious .
The only question is the efficiency of the ID method , and the security of the database .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was born, my foot prints were put on the birth certificate, which is on file, for identification (my social security card validates against it).
When I got my state ID, that had my picture.
When I got my SBU clearance, my fingerprints and photo went on record.It seems to me that the line in question is fictitious.
The only question is the efficiency of the ID method, and the security of the database.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30367414</id>
	<title>Re:Good quote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260297360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It shouldn't, the current data system of citizens in israel has been hacked for 6 times that I know of... So it's completely useless.</p><p>Just think how easy it is to criminalize someone<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It should n't , the current data system of citizens in israel has been hacked for 6 times that I know of... So it 's completely useless.Just think how easy it is to criminalize someone : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It shouldn't, the current data system of citizens in israel has been hacked for 6 times that I know of... So it's completely useless.Just think how easy it is to criminalize someone :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365666</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30368724</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong !! Its voluntary (for now)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260302400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is compulsory for all now. After public protests, all Zionists will be allowed to opt out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is compulsory for all now .
After public protests , all Zionists will be allowed to opt out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is compulsory for all now.
After public protests, all Zionists will be allowed to opt out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366706</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366916</id>
	<title>Re:It's Israel</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260294960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hi! I'm going to move into your house, and offer you a place to stay. Sound good to you?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi !
I 'm going to move into your house , and offer you a place to stay .
Sound good to you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi!
I'm going to move into your house, and offer you a place to stay.
Sound good to you?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366064</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366748</id>
	<title>Problem with face</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260294060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What if I have a problem with my face...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What if I have a problem with my face.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if I have a problem with my face...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366102</id>
	<title>Re:It's Israel</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260291420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You can blame the Jews for persecuting the Palestinians</p></div><p>Is that like being an apologist for terrorists, and then blaming the victims when they try to defend themselves?  Wait, that's not a bad analogy, it's just what you're doing.
You can't blame the Jews for persecuting the Palestinians, because they haven't been.  They actually get better treatment is Israel than in any other country in the Middle East.
If the Palestinians don't like the defensive measures Israel takes, then they should stop attacking Israel.</p><p>
Here's an analogy for you- What do you think would happen if the Mexican government started sending rockets and mortars into El Paso because they wanted to take Texas back?
What would happen if snipers from Mexico started shooting farmers in Arizona?  If they blew up crowds of shoppers in San Diego?  And the Mexican government refused to stop?
I think the US would start carpet bombing in about 2 seconds.  Does that analogy work for you?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can blame the Jews for persecuting the PalestiniansIs that like being an apologist for terrorists , and then blaming the victims when they try to defend themselves ?
Wait , that 's not a bad analogy , it 's just what you 're doing .
You ca n't blame the Jews for persecuting the Palestinians , because they have n't been .
They actually get better treatment is Israel than in any other country in the Middle East .
If the Palestinians do n't like the defensive measures Israel takes , then they should stop attacking Israel .
Here 's an analogy for you- What do you think would happen if the Mexican government started sending rockets and mortars into El Paso because they wanted to take Texas back ?
What would happen if snipers from Mexico started shooting farmers in Arizona ?
If they blew up crowds of shoppers in San Diego ?
And the Mexican government refused to stop ?
I think the US would start carpet bombing in about 2 seconds .
Does that analogy work for you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can blame the Jews for persecuting the PalestiniansIs that like being an apologist for terrorists, and then blaming the victims when they try to defend themselves?
Wait, that's not a bad analogy, it's just what you're doing.
You can't blame the Jews for persecuting the Palestinians, because they haven't been.
They actually get better treatment is Israel than in any other country in the Middle East.
If the Palestinians don't like the defensive measures Israel takes, then they should stop attacking Israel.
Here's an analogy for you- What do you think would happen if the Mexican government started sending rockets and mortars into El Paso because they wanted to take Texas back?
What would happen if snipers from Mexico started shooting farmers in Arizona?
If they blew up crowds of shoppers in San Diego?
And the Mexican government refused to stop?
I think the US would start carpet bombing in about 2 seconds.
Does that analogy work for you?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366266</id>
	<title>Godwin's Law?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260292080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's a bit of irony here because a little man in Germany fifty years ago did something very similar in categorizing and identifying Jews.  It was not benign.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a bit of irony here because a little man in Germany fifty years ago did something very similar in categorizing and identifying Jews .
It was not benign .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a bit of irony here because a little man in Germany fifty years ago did something very similar in categorizing and identifying Jews.
It was not benign.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30367374</id>
	<title>Re:Why "evil"?</title>
	<author>swordgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1260297180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All citizens must be known to the government at all times.<br>This leads to all citizens must be forced to carry identification at all times. Biometrics is a short-circuit around forcing people to carry ID papers 24/7. At present, I can walk out of the house without my wallet, and nobody can identify me without my permission. Not so with biometrics.</p><p>More to the point, it's a way of monitoring the populace. It assumes that everyone is a latent criminal, and needs to be watched.</p><p>And hey--what if they decide that racial group 'x' needs to be wiped out? They've got the data from face scans, they just need to send out the troops.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All citizens must be known to the government at all times.This leads to all citizens must be forced to carry identification at all times .
Biometrics is a short-circuit around forcing people to carry ID papers 24/7 .
At present , I can walk out of the house without my wallet , and nobody can identify me without my permission .
Not so with biometrics.More to the point , it 's a way of monitoring the populace .
It assumes that everyone is a latent criminal , and needs to be watched.And hey--what if they decide that racial group 'x ' needs to be wiped out ?
They 've got the data from face scans , they just need to send out the troops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All citizens must be known to the government at all times.This leads to all citizens must be forced to carry identification at all times.
Biometrics is a short-circuit around forcing people to carry ID papers 24/7.
At present, I can walk out of the house without my wallet, and nobody can identify me without my permission.
Not so with biometrics.More to the point, it's a way of monitoring the populace.
It assumes that everyone is a latent criminal, and needs to be watched.And hey--what if they decide that racial group 'x' needs to be wiped out?
They've got the data from face scans, they just need to send out the troops.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365666</id>
	<title>Good quote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260289620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FTA: "...that the system would be kept as confidential as any banking website"</p><p>Why does that not make me feel better about this?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FTA : " ...that the system would be kept as confidential as any banking website " Why does that not make me feel better about this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTA: "...that the system would be kept as confidential as any banking website"Why does that not make me feel better about this?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365888</id>
	<title>Evil?</title>
	<author>EMG at MU</author>
	<datestamp>1260290520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the USA the local police department usually sponsors a fingerprint drive where elementary age kids get a coloring book or something for surrendering their fingerprints. Those records are kept in a central location. Moreover, to get any job with a state or federal employer, you must submit to digital fingerprinting. To get a drivers license you get your picture taken. All those biometrics are stored in a central location. Israel is just being smart about it and storing everything in a digital format. Less secure, maybe, but way easier to search through than a pile of papers in some filing cabinet.
<br>
<br>
So its really not that bad, unless you really want to live off the grid or something.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the USA the local police department usually sponsors a fingerprint drive where elementary age kids get a coloring book or something for surrendering their fingerprints .
Those records are kept in a central location .
Moreover , to get any job with a state or federal employer , you must submit to digital fingerprinting .
To get a drivers license you get your picture taken .
All those biometrics are stored in a central location .
Israel is just being smart about it and storing everything in a digital format .
Less secure , maybe , but way easier to search through than a pile of papers in some filing cabinet .
So its really not that bad , unless you really want to live off the grid or something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the USA the local police department usually sponsors a fingerprint drive where elementary age kids get a coloring book or something for surrendering their fingerprints.
Those records are kept in a central location.
Moreover, to get any job with a state or federal employer, you must submit to digital fingerprinting.
To get a drivers license you get your picture taken.
All those biometrics are stored in a central location.
Israel is just being smart about it and storing everything in a digital format.
Less secure, maybe, but way easier to search through than a pile of papers in some filing cabinet.
So its really not that bad, unless you really want to live off the grid or something.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365904</id>
	<title>Ironic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260290580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Damn who told you? You must have terrorist associations and will be collected in time for the train departing the station.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn who told you ?
You must have terrorist associations and will be collected in time for the train departing the station .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn who told you?
You must have terrorist associations and will be collected in time for the train departing the station.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365808</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366486</id>
	<title>Re:Old news</title>
	<author>ovanklot</author>
	<datestamp>1260292860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't need a central database to have biometric passports/id cards. All you need is to store their hashes on the card and that would be compared to the person in question.<br>This is the only thing required of a biometric card.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't need a central database to have biometric passports/id cards .
All you need is to store their hashes on the card and that would be compared to the person in question.This is the only thing required of a biometric card .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't need a central database to have biometric passports/id cards.
All you need is to store their hashes on the card and that would be compared to the person in question.This is the only thing required of a biometric card.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365728</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366686</id>
	<title>Re:Self UN-Fulfilling (MotB) prophecy!</title>
	<author>VShael</author>
	<datestamp>1260293760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One possible answer to your question, is that there is no shortage of people who genuinely want to live in the "end times". There are several reasons why this is so, but I tend to think it's because their faith is particularly weak, and a big visible Revelations style conflict would go a long way to strengthening their faith.</p><p>Now, I'm not saying that you're one of these nuts. But if you move in "Wacko Christian Right" circles (your phrase, not mine) then it's possible you've met some people who think like this.</p><p>A representative sampling can be found in the collected posts of fundamentalists, which can be found at www.fstdt.com<br>
&nbsp; (e.g. Quote# 67376)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One possible answer to your question , is that there is no shortage of people who genuinely want to live in the " end times " .
There are several reasons why this is so , but I tend to think it 's because their faith is particularly weak , and a big visible Revelations style conflict would go a long way to strengthening their faith.Now , I 'm not saying that you 're one of these nuts .
But if you move in " Wacko Christian Right " circles ( your phrase , not mine ) then it 's possible you 've met some people who think like this.A representative sampling can be found in the collected posts of fundamentalists , which can be found at www.fstdt.com   ( e.g .
Quote # 67376 )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One possible answer to your question, is that there is no shortage of people who genuinely want to live in the "end times".
There are several reasons why this is so, but I tend to think it's because their faith is particularly weak, and a big visible Revelations style conflict would go a long way to strengthening their faith.Now, I'm not saying that you're one of these nuts.
But if you move in "Wacko Christian Right" circles (your phrase, not mine) then it's possible you've met some people who think like this.A representative sampling can be found in the collected posts of fundamentalists, which can be found at www.fstdt.com
  (e.g.
Quote# 67376)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365656</id>
	<title>Mark of the beast</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260289560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>...except without the mark!
<p>
Oh, wait, that's New Testament anyways, isn't it?  Nevermind...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...except without the mark !
Oh , wait , that 's New Testament anyways , is n't it ?
Nevermind.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...except without the mark!
Oh, wait, that's New Testament anyways, isn't it?
Nevermind...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30367794</id>
	<title>Stick with the facts,,,, not the hate.</title>
	<author>chris44larsen</author>
	<datestamp>1260298860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>people, 95\% of the comments on this topic so far are based on bias and hate.
there are no facts, only conjecture.

knock it off.</htmltext>
<tokenext>people , 95 \ % of the comments on this topic so far are based on bias and hate .
there are no facts , only conjecture .
knock it off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>people, 95\% of the comments on this topic so far are based on bias and hate.
there are no facts, only conjecture.
knock it off.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366442</id>
	<title>We Will Fight This!</title>
	<author>ovanklot</author>
	<datestamp>1260292740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's been a long struggle against this biometric database and we may have lost the battle, but we will win the war. There are still ways to bury this database and all will be pursued, whether they're appealing to the Israeli High Court of Justice (Bagatz), convincing the Ministry of Treasury to keep it outside the budget (It is estimated at over US$100,000,000 to implement), etc.</p><p>The law was introduced by MK Shirtrit who I personally suspect has ulterior motives for his overzealous support of the bill and the way he rallied both the coalition and opposition to the cause. The finger has already been pointed at lobbyists from Hewlett Packard. The government bowed to pressure and shady deals were made - we knew it was going to be passed even before they started deliberating.</p><p>There's only one finger that I'll be showing MK Shitrit and his biometric database.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's been a long struggle against this biometric database and we may have lost the battle , but we will win the war .
There are still ways to bury this database and all will be pursued , whether they 're appealing to the Israeli High Court of Justice ( Bagatz ) , convincing the Ministry of Treasury to keep it outside the budget ( It is estimated at over US $ 100,000,000 to implement ) , etc.The law was introduced by MK Shirtrit who I personally suspect has ulterior motives for his overzealous support of the bill and the way he rallied both the coalition and opposition to the cause .
The finger has already been pointed at lobbyists from Hewlett Packard .
The government bowed to pressure and shady deals were made - we knew it was going to be passed even before they started deliberating.There 's only one finger that I 'll be showing MK Shitrit and his biometric database .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's been a long struggle against this biometric database and we may have lost the battle, but we will win the war.
There are still ways to bury this database and all will be pursued, whether they're appealing to the Israeli High Court of Justice (Bagatz), convincing the Ministry of Treasury to keep it outside the budget (It is estimated at over US$100,000,000 to implement), etc.The law was introduced by MK Shirtrit who I personally suspect has ulterior motives for his overzealous support of the bill and the way he rallied both the coalition and opposition to the cause.
The finger has already been pointed at lobbyists from Hewlett Packard.
The government bowed to pressure and shady deals were made - we knew it was going to be passed even before they started deliberating.There's only one finger that I'll be showing MK Shitrit and his biometric database.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30367734</id>
	<title>Re:Godwin's Law?</title>
	<author>Myopic</author>
	<datestamp>1260298620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes! And Hitler was also elected in a democracy -- SO WE MUST DO AWAY WITH ALL DEMOCRACY!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes !
And Hitler was also elected in a democracy -- SO WE MUST DO AWAY WITH ALL DEMOCRACY !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes!
And Hitler was also elected in a democracy -- SO WE MUST DO AWAY WITH ALL DEMOCRACY!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366266</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30367698</id>
	<title>Re:Self UN-Fulfilling (MotB) prophecy!</title>
	<author>Myopic</author>
	<datestamp>1260298500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Okay, first let's dispense with the concept of "prophecy". You say <i>"I'm not saying this is Revelation 13:18 per se. It could be, it could NOT be. Who can know?"</i> It's not, and we can all know, because there is no such thing as prophecy, because there is no such thing as magic.</p><p>Okay, now what there is, is prediction, especially insightful and informed prediction. It's hardly difficult to predict some things that will happen in the future, and the fact that thousands of years ago somebody said something about having marks on the forehead to engage in commerce was a reasonable prediction. Of course, it never came to pass, and still won't, because we're not considering putting marks on foreheads, we're considering photographing people and keeping records. Many good people would resist both marks on the forehead as well as biometric ID cards.</p><p>For informed context, look back over history and decide if these times look more like the end times than other times such as the black plague or WW2. There were crazyass people saying those were the end times, too; but they were not, in fact, the end times, because, in fact, there is no such thing. But, you can still oppose biometric ID cards if you want, nothing wrong with that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay , first let 's dispense with the concept of " prophecy " .
You say " I 'm not saying this is Revelation 13 : 18 per se .
It could be , it could NOT be .
Who can know ?
" It 's not , and we can all know , because there is no such thing as prophecy , because there is no such thing as magic.Okay , now what there is , is prediction , especially insightful and informed prediction .
It 's hardly difficult to predict some things that will happen in the future , and the fact that thousands of years ago somebody said something about having marks on the forehead to engage in commerce was a reasonable prediction .
Of course , it never came to pass , and still wo n't , because we 're not considering putting marks on foreheads , we 're considering photographing people and keeping records .
Many good people would resist both marks on the forehead as well as biometric ID cards.For informed context , look back over history and decide if these times look more like the end times than other times such as the black plague or WW2 .
There were crazyass people saying those were the end times , too ; but they were not , in fact , the end times , because , in fact , there is no such thing .
But , you can still oppose biometric ID cards if you want , nothing wrong with that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay, first let's dispense with the concept of "prophecy".
You say "I'm not saying this is Revelation 13:18 per se.
It could be, it could NOT be.
Who can know?
" It's not, and we can all know, because there is no such thing as prophecy, because there is no such thing as magic.Okay, now what there is, is prediction, especially insightful and informed prediction.
It's hardly difficult to predict some things that will happen in the future, and the fact that thousands of years ago somebody said something about having marks on the forehead to engage in commerce was a reasonable prediction.
Of course, it never came to pass, and still won't, because we're not considering putting marks on foreheads, we're considering photographing people and keeping records.
Many good people would resist both marks on the forehead as well as biometric ID cards.For informed context, look back over history and decide if these times look more like the end times than other times such as the black plague or WW2.
There were crazyass people saying those were the end times, too; but they were not, in fact, the end times, because, in fact, there is no such thing.
But, you can still oppose biometric ID cards if you want, nothing wrong with that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30369254</id>
	<title>Re:When I was born</title>
	<author>binary paladin</author>
	<datestamp>1260304860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The most disturbing thing about all this is how readily people in the "civilized" world continue to simply submit to this sort of nonsense and view it as an acceptable part of living.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The most disturbing thing about all this is how readily people in the " civilized " world continue to simply submit to this sort of nonsense and view it as an acceptable part of living .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The most disturbing thing about all this is how readily people in the "civilized" world continue to simply submit to this sort of nonsense and view it as an acceptable part of living.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365932</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365674</id>
	<title>How do you change your password?</title>
	<author>harl</author>
	<datestamp>1260289620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Same problem with all biometrics.</p><p>What happens when the system is compromised?  How do I change my password?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same problem with all biometrics.What happens when the system is compromised ?
How do I change my password ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same problem with all biometrics.What happens when the system is compromised?
How do I change my password?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366160</id>
	<title>The only thing evil</title>
	<author>thelonious</author>
	<datestamp>1260291720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...about biometric data is when people convince themselves that they now have a tamper proof system.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...about biometric data is when people convince themselves that they now have a tamper proof system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...about biometric data is when people convince themselves that they now have a tamper proof system.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30367688</id>
	<title>Re:Godwin's Law?</title>
	<author>furball</author>
	<datestamp>1260298440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This database isn't a database of Jews. This is a database of Israeli citizens. Some of whom are actually Arabs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This database is n't a database of Jews .
This is a database of Israeli citizens .
Some of whom are actually Arabs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This database isn't a database of Jews.
This is a database of Israeli citizens.
Some of whom are actually Arabs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366266</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366928</id>
	<title>Big deal ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260295020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Almost every citizen in Israel has served in the army, where more than just face and fingerprints are scanned.<br>I'm sure this information is kept "confidential and safe".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Almost every citizen in Israel has served in the army , where more than just face and fingerprints are scanned.I 'm sure this information is kept " confidential and safe " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Almost every citizen in Israel has served in the army, where more than just face and fingerprints are scanned.I'm sure this information is kept "confidential and safe".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30373970</id>
	<title>Uh-huh...</title>
	<author>Noah69</author>
	<datestamp>1260291480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I hope the fear of change and progress will not deter MKs from supporting the bill," Sheetrit said before the vote. I know panic has been stirred by those wishing to frighten the public."</p><p>Like, say, the Israeli government?</p><p>I just don't see the point of this. They will probably pass this off as something that helps against those evil terrorists, as always. I'm sure those rockets won't dare entering Israel as long as they don't have a biometric passport, right? And the hordes of suicide bombers will just turn around after jumping over the 8m wall, realizing they are not yet registered in the database.</p><p>(I'm aware that terrorism is indeed a problem in Israel, but things like these are simply not appropriate)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I hope the fear of change and progress will not deter MKs from supporting the bill , " Sheetrit said before the vote .
I know panic has been stirred by those wishing to frighten the public .
" Like , say , the Israeli government ? I just do n't see the point of this .
They will probably pass this off as something that helps against those evil terrorists , as always .
I 'm sure those rockets wo n't dare entering Israel as long as they do n't have a biometric passport , right ?
And the hordes of suicide bombers will just turn around after jumping over the 8m wall , realizing they are not yet registered in the database .
( I 'm aware that terrorism is indeed a problem in Israel , but things like these are simply not appropriate )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I hope the fear of change and progress will not deter MKs from supporting the bill," Sheetrit said before the vote.
I know panic has been stirred by those wishing to frighten the public.
"Like, say, the Israeli government?I just don't see the point of this.
They will probably pass this off as something that helps against those evil terrorists, as always.
I'm sure those rockets won't dare entering Israel as long as they don't have a biometric passport, right?
And the hordes of suicide bombers will just turn around after jumping over the 8m wall, realizing they are not yet registered in the database.
(I'm aware that terrorism is indeed a problem in Israel, but things like these are simply not appropriate)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30367654</id>
	<title>Re:Godwin's Law?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260298380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a pity there's no -1, Ignorant on slashdot. You have earned it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a pity there 's no -1 , Ignorant on slashdot .
You have earned it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a pity there's no -1, Ignorant on slashdot.
You have earned it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366254</id>
	<title>Re:We can do it!</title>
	<author>ground.zero.612</author>
	<datestamp>1260292020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We can construct a topic that will generate the lowest signal to noise ratio EVER! Proceed, gentlemen, proceed!</p></div><p>I think someone already beat us to market: <a href="http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/01/14/robot9000-and-xkcd-signal-attacking-noise-in-chat/" title="xkcd.com" rel="nofollow">xkcd.com</a> [xkcd.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We can construct a topic that will generate the lowest signal to noise ratio EVER !
Proceed , gentlemen , proceed ! I think someone already beat us to market : xkcd.com [ xkcd.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We can construct a topic that will generate the lowest signal to noise ratio EVER!
Proceed, gentlemen, proceed!I think someone already beat us to market: xkcd.com [xkcd.com]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30415116</id>
	<title>Re:Godwin's Law?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260641940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I always knew Adenauer was up to no good!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I always knew Adenauer was up to no good !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always knew Adenauer was up to no good!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365862</id>
	<title>Re:Ironic</title>
	<author>alinuxguruofyore</author>
	<datestamp>1260290400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How does this not get a Troll rating?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How does this not get a Troll rating ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How does this not get a Troll rating?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366498</id>
	<title>Why so serious ?</title>
	<author>CharlyFoxtrot</author>
	<datestamp>1260292860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What happens when the system is compromised?  How do I change my password?</p></div><p>Well, you look nervous. Is it the scars? You want to know how I got 'em?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when the system is compromised ?
How do I change my password ? Well , you look nervous .
Is it the scars ?
You want to know how I got 'em ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when the system is compromised?
How do I change my password?Well, you look nervous.
Is it the scars?
You want to know how I got 'em?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30367444</id>
	<title>IT is not required (yet)</title>
	<author>yariv</author>
	<datestamp>1260297480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know it's<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. and it's not common that people actually read the article, but it is not required. The law creates the basis for a voluntary database, as a test, and in two years the subject will be checked again. At this stage only citizens that wish to get documents containing biometric data will have to join the database, and the ministry of interior will still provide the standard documents as well.<br>I definitely won't join the database, as it will definitely leak (just like anything else from our ministry of interior, and I hope it will become public in the next 2 years, as it will probably mean they will drop the idea (and the DB). The whole thing is fairly stupid, the people pushing for it claiming they do it to make documents forgery harder (well, they say "impossible"), but then a simple signed card with the biometric data and formal identity will do, no need for a centralized database...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know it 's / .
and it 's not common that people actually read the article , but it is not required .
The law creates the basis for a voluntary database , as a test , and in two years the subject will be checked again .
At this stage only citizens that wish to get documents containing biometric data will have to join the database , and the ministry of interior will still provide the standard documents as well.I definitely wo n't join the database , as it will definitely leak ( just like anything else from our ministry of interior , and I hope it will become public in the next 2 years , as it will probably mean they will drop the idea ( and the DB ) .
The whole thing is fairly stupid , the people pushing for it claiming they do it to make documents forgery harder ( well , they say " impossible " ) , but then a simple signed card with the biometric data and formal identity will do , no need for a centralized database.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know it's /.
and it's not common that people actually read the article, but it is not required.
The law creates the basis for a voluntary database, as a test, and in two years the subject will be checked again.
At this stage only citizens that wish to get documents containing biometric data will have to join the database, and the ministry of interior will still provide the standard documents as well.I definitely won't join the database, as it will definitely leak (just like anything else from our ministry of interior, and I hope it will become public in the next 2 years, as it will probably mean they will drop the idea (and the DB).
The whole thing is fairly stupid, the people pushing for it claiming they do it to make documents forgery harder (well, they say "impossible"), but then a simple signed card with the biometric data and formal identity will do, no need for a centralized database...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30374650</id>
	<title>Re:Godwin's Law?</title>
	<author>Eli Gottlieb</author>
	<datestamp>1260300840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, except that if the Israeli government tried to round up just about anyone (possibly including themselves, <i>inshallah</i>), they'd find the IDF and Mishtarat Yisrael ("Israel Police") in open revolt against them.  They can't even manage to occupy the territories or dismantle settlements nowadays without some wingnut soldier putting himself in jail for insubordination, so what makes you think they could go full Godwin and people would let them get away with it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , except that if the Israeli government tried to round up just about anyone ( possibly including themselves , inshallah ) , they 'd find the IDF and Mishtarat Yisrael ( " Israel Police " ) in open revolt against them .
They ca n't even manage to occupy the territories or dismantle settlements nowadays without some wingnut soldier putting himself in jail for insubordination , so what makes you think they could go full Godwin and people would let them get away with it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, except that if the Israeli government tried to round up just about anyone (possibly including themselves, inshallah), they'd find the IDF and Mishtarat Yisrael ("Israel Police") in open revolt against them.
They can't even manage to occupy the territories or dismantle settlements nowadays without some wingnut soldier putting himself in jail for insubordination, so what makes you think they could go full Godwin and people would let them get away with it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30371510</id>
	<title>Re:Mark of the beast</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260272460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If only the Israeli people had experience of Nazi Germany, perhaps they'd realise the danger of a country which keeps biological information on its citizens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If only the Israeli people had experience of Nazi Germany , perhaps they 'd realise the danger of a country which keeps biological information on its citizens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If only the Israeli people had experience of Nazi Germany, perhaps they'd realise the danger of a country which keeps biological information on its citizens.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30367940</id>
	<title>I think it is pretty odius, but</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260299520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The culture may be a little bit more receptive to it, seeing how "numbering" the citizens occurred throughout the bible (at least the Torah).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The culture may be a little bit more receptive to it , seeing how " numbering " the citizens occurred throughout the bible ( at least the Torah ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The culture may be a little bit more receptive to it, seeing how "numbering" the citizens occurred throughout the bible (at least the Torah).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366132</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>findoutmoretoday</author>
	<datestamp>1260291660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>I am curious why they approved it, felt the need, etc.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.&nbsp; And most probably I won't like the answer.&nbsp; </tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am curious why they approved it , felt the need , etc .
.   And most probably I wo n't like the answer.  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am curious why they approved it, felt the need, etc.
.  And most probably I won't like the answer.  </sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365728</id>
	<title>Old news</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260289860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Biometric passports are established throughout Europe since years back. Biometric passports are absurd if there is no central database where your biometric facial information is stored.</p><p>Although the fingerprints is a new one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Biometric passports are established throughout Europe since years back .
Biometric passports are absurd if there is no central database where your biometric facial information is stored.Although the fingerprints is a new one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Biometric passports are established throughout Europe since years back.
Biometric passports are absurd if there is no central database where your biometric facial information is stored.Although the fingerprints is a new one.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365890</id>
	<title>Re:How do you change your password?</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1260290520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What happens when the system is compromised? How do I change my password?</p></div><p>You don't. You get that face changing surgery and spend the rest of your life looking like John Travolta or Nicolas Cage.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when the system is compromised ?
How do I change my password ? You do n't .
You get that face changing surgery and spend the rest of your life looking like John Travolta or Nicolas Cage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when the system is compromised?
How do I change my password?You don't.
You get that face changing surgery and spend the rest of your life looking like John Travolta or Nicolas Cage.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365674</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30368104</id>
	<title>Re:Let's Make Our Own Database</title>
	<author>intheshelter</author>
	<datestamp>1260300240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you serious?  I propose you piss off with your proposal!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you serious ?
I propose you piss off with your proposal !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you serious?
I propose you piss off with your proposal!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366596</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30367336</id>
	<title>Re:It's Israel</title>
	<author>MozeeToby</author>
	<datestamp>1260296940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not that I disagree with your sentiment (as a general rule you shouldn't try to label entire societies as good or evil) but how exactly is modernization, science, and literature 'not evil' by definition.  Not to Godwin the discusion, but NAZI germany advanced the fields of human biology and engineering; so much so that their research is still used today (because it can't be ethically repeated).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not that I disagree with your sentiment ( as a general rule you should n't try to label entire societies as good or evil ) but how exactly is modernization , science , and literature 'not evil ' by definition .
Not to Godwin the discusion , but NAZI germany advanced the fields of human biology and engineering ; so much so that their research is still used today ( because it ca n't be ethically repeated ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not that I disagree with your sentiment (as a general rule you shouldn't try to label entire societies as good or evil) but how exactly is modernization, science, and literature 'not evil' by definition.
Not to Godwin the discusion, but NAZI germany advanced the fields of human biology and engineering; so much so that their research is still used today (because it can't be ethically repeated).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365776</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366322</id>
	<title>Why "evil"?</title>
	<author>mi</author>
	<datestamp>1260292320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I, for one, fail to see how this is anything but evil.</p></div></blockquote><p>We may argue, whether this will work or not, but why is it "evil"? Is it the fear, the impersonators will now be ripping faces off people to pretend to be them?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I , for one , fail to see how this is anything but evil.We may argue , whether this will work or not , but why is it " evil " ?
Is it the fear , the impersonators will now be ripping faces off people to pretend to be them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I, for one, fail to see how this is anything but evil.We may argue, whether this will work or not, but why is it "evil"?
Is it the fear, the impersonators will now be ripping faces off people to pretend to be them?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366352</id>
	<title>Re:How do you change your password?</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1260292380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>How do I change my password?</p></div></blockquote><p>

Identification isn't the same thing as a password; not being able to make up new identities willy-nilly is the whole point.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How do I change my password ?
Identification is n't the same thing as a password ; not being able to make up new identities willy-nilly is the whole point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do I change my password?
Identification isn't the same thing as a password; not being able to make up new identities willy-nilly is the whole point.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365674</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30367002</id>
	<title>Re:How do you change your password?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260295380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Or worse, what if Osama Bin Laden (or any other terorist) get's to insert his bio information into an Israeli citizen's profile?</i> <br> <br>There are rumours that he may have a legitimate claim to being an Israeli Citizen<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or worse , what if Osama Bin Laden ( or any other terorist ) get 's to insert his bio information into an Israeli citizen 's profile ?
There are rumours that he may have a legitimate claim to being an Israeli Citizen : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or worse, what if Osama Bin Laden (or any other terorist) get's to insert his bio information into an Israeli citizen's profile?
There are rumours that he may have a legitimate claim to being an Israeli Citizen :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365852</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30367788</id>
	<title>Hack the database!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260298800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Give its contents to Hitler and help him finish what he started!</p><p>XD</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Give its contents to Hitler and help him finish what he started ! XD</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Give its contents to Hitler and help him finish what he started!XD</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365656</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30367588</id>
	<title>Re:How do you change your password?</title>
	<author>GodfatherofSoul</author>
	<datestamp>1260298200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg" title="youtube.com">That's because he's dead</a> [youtube.com].  So is she, probably for saying it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's because he 's dead [ youtube.com ] .
So is she , probably for saying it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's because he's dead [youtube.com].
So is she, probably for saying it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365852</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365946</id>
	<title>Re:How do you change your password?</title>
	<author>mea37</author>
	<datestamp>1260290820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Depends how the information is to be used.  I don't have, and never had, any input into the information on my passport, so how do I "change my password" when it comes to my passport?</p><p>Someone could misuse the ubiquity of this information by trying to make it a "password"; and if so, that's a technical flaw in their security.  As for the ID database program in general, the obvious flaws are based in privacy, not technology.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends how the information is to be used .
I do n't have , and never had , any input into the information on my passport , so how do I " change my password " when it comes to my passport ? Someone could misuse the ubiquity of this information by trying to make it a " password " ; and if so , that 's a technical flaw in their security .
As for the ID database program in general , the obvious flaws are based in privacy , not technology .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends how the information is to be used.
I don't have, and never had, any input into the information on my passport, so how do I "change my password" when it comes to my passport?Someone could misuse the ubiquity of this information by trying to make it a "password"; and if so, that's a technical flaw in their security.
As for the ID database program in general, the obvious flaws are based in privacy, not technology.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365674</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365914</id>
	<title>A Great Idea</title>
	<author>iviagnus</author>
	<datestamp>1260290640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Every human being on the planet should be fingerprinted, retinal scanned and DNA sampled. If they've nothing to hide why should they object? Only scumbags with something to hide would want to remain in the shadows. Also, only those who have served their country in the military should have citizenship status and get the priviledges that offers (business and home ownership, drivers license, social security at retirement, etc). And automobiles should be required to have an alcohol detector so that they cannot be started if the driver has been drinking.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Every human being on the planet should be fingerprinted , retinal scanned and DNA sampled .
If they 've nothing to hide why should they object ?
Only scumbags with something to hide would want to remain in the shadows .
Also , only those who have served their country in the military should have citizenship status and get the priviledges that offers ( business and home ownership , drivers license , social security at retirement , etc ) .
And automobiles should be required to have an alcohol detector so that they can not be started if the driver has been drinking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every human being on the planet should be fingerprinted, retinal scanned and DNA sampled.
If they've nothing to hide why should they object?
Only scumbags with something to hide would want to remain in the shadows.
Also, only those who have served their country in the military should have citizenship status and get the priviledges that offers (business and home ownership, drivers license, social security at retirement, etc).
And automobiles should be required to have an alcohol detector so that they cannot be started if the driver has been drinking.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30370066</id>
	<title>Putting them right up there with Evil old US of A</title>
	<author>matrixskp</author>
	<datestamp>1260265620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That subjects everyone who visits the US to this same treatment.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That subjects everyone who visits the US to this same treatment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That subjects everyone who visits the US to this same treatment.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30367254</id>
	<title>Re:Good quote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260296460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We act as this is any different than having your picture on file at the dmv. What privacy is given up by a biometric face scan. Merely if you rob a bank you cant go dye your hair and get a hair cut and not be noticed. All this does is have more effective "picture" on file, and fingerprints. They arent getting a copy of your entire genome or anything its merely a more detailed "picture" of you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We act as this is any different than having your picture on file at the dmv .
What privacy is given up by a biometric face scan .
Merely if you rob a bank you cant go dye your hair and get a hair cut and not be noticed .
All this does is have more effective " picture " on file , and fingerprints .
They arent getting a copy of your entire genome or anything its merely a more detailed " picture " of you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We act as this is any different than having your picture on file at the dmv.
What privacy is given up by a biometric face scan.
Merely if you rob a bank you cant go dye your hair and get a hair cut and not be noticed.
All this does is have more effective "picture" on file, and fingerprints.
They arent getting a copy of your entire genome or anything its merely a more detailed "picture" of you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365666</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366064</id>
	<title>Re:It's Israel</title>
	<author>ground.zero.612</author>
	<datestamp>1260291300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So... offering the people a place to stay was heinous? You do know that those people left on their own free will, they were not forced out, and in fact they were invited back several times, don't you?</p><p>I guess you consider it heinous to defend your sovereignty? You now there is no sovereign nation called Palestine? There is however a large group of nomads that chose to be led by a <em> <strong>well known terrorist organization</strong><nobr> <wbr></nobr></em>.</p><p>

I blame Hamas for persecuting the Jews.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So... offering the people a place to stay was heinous ?
You do know that those people left on their own free will , they were not forced out , and in fact they were invited back several times , do n't you ? I guess you consider it heinous to defend your sovereignty ?
You now there is no sovereign nation called Palestine ?
There is however a large group of nomads that chose to be led by a well known terrorist organization .
I blame Hamas for persecuting the Jews .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So... offering the people a place to stay was heinous?
You do know that those people left on their own free will, they were not forced out, and in fact they were invited back several times, don't you?I guess you consider it heinous to defend your sovereignty?
You now there is no sovereign nation called Palestine?
There is however a large group of nomads that chose to be led by a  well known terrorist organization .
I blame Hamas for persecuting the Jews.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365776</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30368112</id>
	<title>Re:Self UN-Fulfilling (MotB) prophecy!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260300300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The wacko Christian Right is totally stoked - the sooner the Jews get around to all collecting in Israel and dying, the sooner Jeebus will return!</p><p>The rest of us are too busy snickering into our sleeves at people like this guy:</p><p>http://home.flash.net/~evt/rapture.htm</p><p>(who, according to the Wayback Machine, has been moving the "Rapture goalpost" for upwards of a year, every time the date passes...) to actually refute the complete nonsense that passes for "Christian prophecy".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The wacko Christian Right is totally stoked - the sooner the Jews get around to all collecting in Israel and dying , the sooner Jeebus will return ! The rest of us are too busy snickering into our sleeves at people like this guy : http : //home.flash.net/ ~ evt/rapture.htm ( who , according to the Wayback Machine , has been moving the " Rapture goalpost " for upwards of a year , every time the date passes... ) to actually refute the complete nonsense that passes for " Christian prophecy " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The wacko Christian Right is totally stoked - the sooner the Jews get around to all collecting in Israel and dying, the sooner Jeebus will return!The rest of us are too busy snickering into our sleeves at people like this guy:http://home.flash.net/~evt/rapture.htm(who, according to the Wayback Machine, has been moving the "Rapture goalpost" for upwards of a year, every time the date passes...) to actually refute the complete nonsense that passes for "Christian prophecy".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366204</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30367086</id>
	<title>Re:It's Israel</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260295740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This "Philip" guy is basically a PR guy for Ahmadinejad and Iran.  I wouldn't waste your time arguing with him.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This " Philip " guy is basically a PR guy for Ahmadinejad and Iran .
I would n't waste your time arguing with him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This "Philip" guy is basically a PR guy for Ahmadinejad and Iran.
I wouldn't waste your time arguing with him.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365776</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30367590</id>
	<title>Re:A Great Idea</title>
	<author>BlackSnake112</author>
	<datestamp>1260298200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then we need an astronaut to be sent into deep space and frozen only to be returned to Earth 500 years later...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then we need an astronaut to be sent into deep space and frozen only to be returned to Earth 500 years later.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then we need an astronaut to be sent into deep space and frozen only to be returned to Earth 500 years later...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365914</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30367244</id>
	<title>Re:Mark of the beast</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260296460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>1. Create national database of biometric info<br>
2. Fail to prevent database from being hacked<br>
3. Hackers now can fake the ID of anyone in the database.<br> <br>

Something I haven't heard about but can't imagine a bad guy not thinking of, when faced with a biometric input device, is to "fix" the device to allow an alternate data transmission (perhaps by induction).  Then the bad guy simply feeds the data that the database expects to match, bypassing the scanning-and-converting-to-data that the biometric input device is supposed to do.</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Create national database of biometric info 2 .
Fail to prevent database from being hacked 3 .
Hackers now can fake the ID of anyone in the database .
Something I have n't heard about but ca n't imagine a bad guy not thinking of , when faced with a biometric input device , is to " fix " the device to allow an alternate data transmission ( perhaps by induction ) .
Then the bad guy simply feeds the data that the database expects to match , bypassing the scanning-and-converting-to-data that the biometric input device is supposed to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Create national database of biometric info
2.
Fail to prevent database from being hacked
3.
Hackers now can fake the ID of anyone in the database.
Something I haven't heard about but can't imagine a bad guy not thinking of, when faced with a biometric input device, is to "fix" the device to allow an alternate data transmission (perhaps by induction).
Then the bad guy simply feeds the data that the database expects to match, bypassing the scanning-and-converting-to-data that the biometric input device is supposed to do.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365656</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366574</id>
	<title>Picture being taken for a drivers license</title>
	<author>Stan92057</author>
	<datestamp>1260293220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Scan of face = Picture being taken for a drivers license,doesn't every state in the USA require a picture in the drivers license? Finger printing? don't we all get foot printed when were born. Why is this a shock to anyone?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Scan of face = Picture being taken for a drivers license,does n't every state in the USA require a picture in the drivers license ?
Finger printing ?
do n't we all get foot printed when were born .
Why is this a shock to anyone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Scan of face = Picture being taken for a drivers license,doesn't every state in the USA require a picture in the drivers license?
Finger printing?
don't we all get foot printed when were born.
Why is this a shock to anyone?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30369072</id>
	<title>Spoof</title>
	<author>DarthVain</author>
	<datestamp>1260304080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seeing as there was already an article today of a Japanese women changing her fingerprints and the fact that it has been proven that you can fool facial recognition simply by putting a picture in front of the camera, both of these biometrics are spoofed pretty easily.</p><p>If on the other hand you have a finger print DB and require photo identification like most countries, I don't see this as a big deal. How is this any different than what the US or Canada or any number of countries have been doing for decades. I remember getting finger printed when I was in elementary school, I am sure that is on file now, and I get my photo done on a driver's licence every 5 years.</p><p>Sure one is mandatory where the other are voluntary (I am pretty sure the finger printing was done my a RCMP program that was voluntary to protect the children from being kidnapt or running away and getting lost or some such thing).</p><p>However it is hardly voluntary if I was 5 year old, and many would consider having a drivers licence a required part of living or at least having a job, though you might get by in an urban city.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seeing as there was already an article today of a Japanese women changing her fingerprints and the fact that it has been proven that you can fool facial recognition simply by putting a picture in front of the camera , both of these biometrics are spoofed pretty easily.If on the other hand you have a finger print DB and require photo identification like most countries , I do n't see this as a big deal .
How is this any different than what the US or Canada or any number of countries have been doing for decades .
I remember getting finger printed when I was in elementary school , I am sure that is on file now , and I get my photo done on a driver 's licence every 5 years.Sure one is mandatory where the other are voluntary ( I am pretty sure the finger printing was done my a RCMP program that was voluntary to protect the children from being kidnapt or running away and getting lost or some such thing ) .However it is hardly voluntary if I was 5 year old , and many would consider having a drivers licence a required part of living or at least having a job , though you might get by in an urban city .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seeing as there was already an article today of a Japanese women changing her fingerprints and the fact that it has been proven that you can fool facial recognition simply by putting a picture in front of the camera, both of these biometrics are spoofed pretty easily.If on the other hand you have a finger print DB and require photo identification like most countries, I don't see this as a big deal.
How is this any different than what the US or Canada or any number of countries have been doing for decades.
I remember getting finger printed when I was in elementary school, I am sure that is on file now, and I get my photo done on a driver's licence every 5 years.Sure one is mandatory where the other are voluntary (I am pretty sure the finger printing was done my a RCMP program that was voluntary to protect the children from being kidnapt or running away and getting lost or some such thing).However it is hardly voluntary if I was 5 year old, and many would consider having a drivers licence a required part of living or at least having a job, though you might get by in an urban city.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366706</id>
	<title>Wrong !! Its voluntary (for now)</title>
	<author>verbation</author>
	<datestamp>1260293760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It was meant to be compulsory, but because of public outrage, it's only voluntary for the next 2 years, then it will be re-discussed.
Thats how democracies work.
<a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtVty.jhtml?sw=biometric&amp;itemNo=1133498" title="haaretz.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtVty.jhtml?sw=biometric&amp;itemNo=1133498</a> [haaretz.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>It was meant to be compulsory , but because of public outrage , it 's only voluntary for the next 2 years , then it will be re-discussed .
Thats how democracies work .
http : //www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtVty.jhtml ? sw = biometric&amp;itemNo = 1133498 [ haaretz.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was meant to be compulsory, but because of public outrage, it's only voluntary for the next 2 years, then it will be re-discussed.
Thats how democracies work.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtVty.jhtml?sw=biometric&amp;itemNo=1133498 [haaretz.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366224</id>
	<title>You really must forgive Israel...</title>
	<author>TrebleJunkie</author>
	<datestamp>1260291960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... for you see, Revelations isn't a chapter in the Torah.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... for you see , Revelations is n't a chapter in the Torah .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... for you see, Revelations isn't a chapter in the Torah.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366238</id>
	<title>Different country, different tradeoffs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260291960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Every country strikes its between the privacy of its citizens and the security of its citizens.  In Israel, due to its circumstances, the balance is more heavily tilted toward security over privacy.  In every country of which I am aware, military service involves sacrificing some level of freedom and privacy. In Israel, almost every non-Arab citizen of the country serves in the army, and of course that service requires photographs, fingerprints, DNA sampling, etc.  already.  So this is not much different than status quo in Israel, and I would not call it "evil."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Every country strikes its between the privacy of its citizens and the security of its citizens .
In Israel , due to its circumstances , the balance is more heavily tilted toward security over privacy .
In every country of which I am aware , military service involves sacrificing some level of freedom and privacy .
In Israel , almost every non-Arab citizen of the country serves in the army , and of course that service requires photographs , fingerprints , DNA sampling , etc .
already. So this is not much different than status quo in Israel , and I would not call it " evil .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every country strikes its between the privacy of its citizens and the security of its citizens.
In Israel, due to its circumstances, the balance is more heavily tilted toward security over privacy.
In every country of which I am aware, military service involves sacrificing some level of freedom and privacy.
In Israel, almost every non-Arab citizen of the country serves in the army, and of course that service requires photographs, fingerprints, DNA sampling, etc.
already.  So this is not much different than status quo in Israel, and I would not call it "evil.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365660</id>
	<title>It's Israel</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260289560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everything they do is evil.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everything they do is evil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everything they do is evil.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366204</id>
	<title>Self UN-Fulfilling (MotB) prophecy!</title>
	<author>starglider29a</author>
	<datestamp>1260291900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>In 1994, a card-carrying skeptic told me that any "Mark of the Beast" (MotB) technology would NEVER come to pass because of the outcry that it was MotB Technology. His logic was that since everyone could see the prophecy of this type of people-control technology, including a unique database identity key and other well-known (now) DBA actions, that people would RESIST the fulfillment of the prophecy. Thus, the prophecy would be annulled by the fact that it was foreknown by a casual reader.<br> <br>
Ok, so... Where is it? Where is the outcry? With the potential for abuse reaching BIBLICAL proportions, who is resisting? The Wacko Christian Right (Of which you would consider me). It seems that the prophecy which this parallels would (if fulfilled) impact the Israelis the most. So, why are they doing it? Peace and Security? Oh, that's in the prophecy as well.<br> <br>
Look, I'm not saying this is Revelation 13:18 per se. It could be, it could NOT be. Who can know? IF IT IS... where is the outcry? All of us database/hAx0r/geek types can see this is a "bad" idea in and of its own merits. But if you tack on the potential to fulfill the best known end-times/Antichrist prophecy, shouldn't the world be shuddering in its collective shoes?<br> <br> <b>Are we?</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>In 1994 , a card-carrying skeptic told me that any " Mark of the Beast " ( MotB ) technology would NEVER come to pass because of the outcry that it was MotB Technology .
His logic was that since everyone could see the prophecy of this type of people-control technology , including a unique database identity key and other well-known ( now ) DBA actions , that people would RESIST the fulfillment of the prophecy .
Thus , the prophecy would be annulled by the fact that it was foreknown by a casual reader .
Ok , so... Where is it ?
Where is the outcry ?
With the potential for abuse reaching BIBLICAL proportions , who is resisting ?
The Wacko Christian Right ( Of which you would consider me ) .
It seems that the prophecy which this parallels would ( if fulfilled ) impact the Israelis the most .
So , why are they doing it ?
Peace and Security ?
Oh , that 's in the prophecy as well .
Look , I 'm not saying this is Revelation 13 : 18 per se .
It could be , it could NOT be .
Who can know ?
IF IT IS... where is the outcry ?
All of us database/hAx0r/geek types can see this is a " bad " idea in and of its own merits .
But if you tack on the potential to fulfill the best known end-times/Antichrist prophecy , should n't the world be shuddering in its collective shoes ?
Are we ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In 1994, a card-carrying skeptic told me that any "Mark of the Beast" (MotB) technology would NEVER come to pass because of the outcry that it was MotB Technology.
His logic was that since everyone could see the prophecy of this type of people-control technology, including a unique database identity key and other well-known (now) DBA actions, that people would RESIST the fulfillment of the prophecy.
Thus, the prophecy would be annulled by the fact that it was foreknown by a casual reader.
Ok, so... Where is it?
Where is the outcry?
With the potential for abuse reaching BIBLICAL proportions, who is resisting?
The Wacko Christian Right (Of which you would consider me).
It seems that the prophecy which this parallels would (if fulfilled) impact the Israelis the most.
So, why are they doing it?
Peace and Security?
Oh, that's in the prophecy as well.
Look, I'm not saying this is Revelation 13:18 per se.
It could be, it could NOT be.
Who can know?
IF IT IS... where is the outcry?
All of us database/hAx0r/geek types can see this is a "bad" idea in and of its own merits.
But if you tack on the potential to fulfill the best known end-times/Antichrist prophecy, shouldn't the world be shuddering in its collective shoes?
Are we?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365994</id>
	<title>State drivers license pics</title>
	<author>scrout</author>
	<datestamp>1260291000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
You do know most states do this with your drivers license pic, right?
oregon does.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do know most states do this with your drivers license pic , right ?
oregon does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
You do know most states do this with your drivers license pic, right?
oregon does.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366316</id>
	<title>The Israeli census</title>
	<author>Fuzzzy</author>
	<datestamp>1260292260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Israeli census is freely available <a href="http://filespump.com/download/19161097-agron-plus-2006-gisenu-www-horadot-net-part01-rar.html" title="filespump.com" rel="nofollow">everywhere</a> [filespump.com]... It's a shame that the same people who are in charged for the census fiasco, are those are will be in charged for securing the biometric database.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Israeli census is freely available everywhere [ filespump.com ] ... It 's a shame that the same people who are in charged for the census fiasco , are those are will be in charged for securing the biometric database .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Israeli census is freely available everywhere [filespump.com]... It's a shame that the same people who are in charged for the census fiasco, are those are will be in charged for securing the biometric database.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365776</id>
	<title>Re:It's Israel</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260290040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While their actions and policies towards the Palestinians are pretty heinous, you can't just paint the whole society as evil. They have developed a verymodern society in the midst of their enemies and excel at many fields of science and literature.</p><p>You can blame the Jews for persecuting the Palestinians, but you can't say that everything they do is evil.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While their actions and policies towards the Palestinians are pretty heinous , you ca n't just paint the whole society as evil .
They have developed a verymodern society in the midst of their enemies and excel at many fields of science and literature.You can blame the Jews for persecuting the Palestinians , but you ca n't say that everything they do is evil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While their actions and policies towards the Palestinians are pretty heinous, you can't just paint the whole society as evil.
They have developed a verymodern society in the midst of their enemies and excel at many fields of science and literature.You can blame the Jews for persecuting the Palestinians, but you can't say that everything they do is evil.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30365660</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_1458212.30366596</id>
	<title>Let's Make Our Own Database</title>
	<author>IronSilk</author>
	<datestamp>1260293340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I propose we create the Human Citizenship Database, an open-source identification system that lets anyone identify themselves, and identifies every person as a person independently of their government.
<p>
People could register themselves and their property in countries where personhood and property are not always well-respected, for instance, Zimbabwe, Cameroon and the USA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I propose we create the Human Citizenship Database , an open-source identification system that lets anyone identify themselves , and identifies every person as a person independently of their government .
People could register themselves and their property in countries where personhood and property are not always well-respected , for instance , Zimbabwe , Cameroon and the USA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I propose we create the Human Citizenship Database, an open-source identification system that lets anyone identify themselves, and identifies every person as a person independently of their government.
People could register themselves and their property in countries where personhood and property are not always well-respected, for instance, Zimbabwe, Cameroon and the USA.</sentencetext>
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