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	<title>New <em>Aliens Vs. Predator</em> Game Doesn't Make It Past AU Ratings Board</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1260002160000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"Australia refused to give Rebellion's new <em>Aliens Vs. Predator</em> game a rating, effectively banning it in the country.  Rebellion says it <a href="http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news\_index.php?story=26377">won't be submitting an edited version</a> for another round of classifications, however. (As <a href="http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/10/09/0639247/Left-4-Dead-2-Approved-In-Australia-After-Edits">Valve did with <em>Left 4 Dead 2</em></a>.) They said, 'We will not be releasing a sanitized or cut down version for territories where adults are not considered by their governments to be able to make their own entertainment choices.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " Australia refused to give Rebellion 's new Aliens Vs. Predator game a rating , effectively banning it in the country .
Rebellion says it wo n't be submitting an edited version for another round of classifications , however .
( As Valve did with Left 4 Dead 2 .
) They said , 'We will not be releasing a sanitized or cut down version for territories where adults are not considered by their governments to be able to make their own entertainment choices .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "Australia refused to give Rebellion's new Aliens Vs. Predator game a rating, effectively banning it in the country.
Rebellion says it won't be submitting an edited version for another round of classifications, however.
(As Valve did with Left 4 Dead 2.
) They said, 'We will not be releasing a sanitized or cut down version for territories where adults are not considered by their governments to be able to make their own entertainment choices.
'"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30333800</id>
	<title>Re:As an Australian Resident,,,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260011520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>   censoring games doesn't save lives. Comparing it to seat belts is idiotic. I have played violent games my whole life. I actually lean towards them. The more realistic it is when i hit the guy in the head with the hammer the better. That said i am known around my job and friends as the pacifist. Mind you i will fight when necissary but i would rather not go through the hassel.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Violence in society is not propagated by violence in games(or movies for that matter). The state of the youth of your country is directly related to how your children are raised by parents. People blame videogame violence to cover the fact that they suck at parenthood.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Here is they key. Make sure to teach children the line between fantasy and reality. Then they can play GTA and Postal 2 all they want and never have the urge to kill anyone.</p><p>and to Sexykellyosbourne(cant read that without laughing) My children, i hope, will enjoy Mortal Kombat and Doom as much as i did. I definately dont consider them wrongs, those are fond childhood memories.</p><p>"People here who want to get this game will, just as they will anything else out there -- but there's a difference between getting that in the underground and mass marketing it to society in a race to the bottom for a quarterly profit." yes people will get it but they shouldnt have to go to the underground to get it. If anything this hurts more than helps. Because now u took someone who might have never broken any laws and made them a criminal. As with many things it could serve as a gateway to other illegal activities.</p><p>The banning of violent video games has nothing to do with protecting anyone or lower the violence rate. IT is about forcing one groups morality(which is completely Subjective) on everyone. Just because your pathetic mind can't seperate the game from the real world doesn't mean i shouldn't get to enjoy my favorite passtime.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>censoring games does n't save lives .
Comparing it to seat belts is idiotic .
I have played violent games my whole life .
I actually lean towards them .
The more realistic it is when i hit the guy in the head with the hammer the better .
That said i am known around my job and friends as the pacifist .
Mind you i will fight when necissary but i would rather not go through the hassel .
      Violence in society is not propagated by violence in games ( or movies for that matter ) .
The state of the youth of your country is directly related to how your children are raised by parents .
People blame videogame violence to cover the fact that they suck at parenthood .
        Here is they key .
Make sure to teach children the line between fantasy and reality .
Then they can play GTA and Postal 2 all they want and never have the urge to kill anyone.and to Sexykellyosbourne ( cant read that without laughing ) My children , i hope , will enjoy Mortal Kombat and Doom as much as i did .
I definately dont consider them wrongs , those are fond childhood memories .
" People here who want to get this game will , just as they will anything else out there -- but there 's a difference between getting that in the underground and mass marketing it to society in a race to the bottom for a quarterly profit .
" yes people will get it but they shouldnt have to go to the underground to get it .
If anything this hurts more than helps .
Because now u took someone who might have never broken any laws and made them a criminal .
As with many things it could serve as a gateway to other illegal activities.The banning of violent video games has nothing to do with protecting anyone or lower the violence rate .
IT is about forcing one groups morality ( which is completely Subjective ) on everyone .
Just because your pathetic mind ca n't seperate the game from the real world does n't mean i should n't get to enjoy my favorite passtime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>   censoring games doesn't save lives.
Comparing it to seat belts is idiotic.
I have played violent games my whole life.
I actually lean towards them.
The more realistic it is when i hit the guy in the head with the hammer the better.
That said i am known around my job and friends as the pacifist.
Mind you i will fight when necissary but i would rather not go through the hassel.
      Violence in society is not propagated by violence in games(or movies for that matter).
The state of the youth of your country is directly related to how your children are raised by parents.
People blame videogame violence to cover the fact that they suck at parenthood.
        Here is they key.
Make sure to teach children the line between fantasy and reality.
Then they can play GTA and Postal 2 all they want and never have the urge to kill anyone.and to Sexykellyosbourne(cant read that without laughing) My children, i hope, will enjoy Mortal Kombat and Doom as much as i did.
I definately dont consider them wrongs, those are fond childhood memories.
"People here who want to get this game will, just as they will anything else out there -- but there's a difference between getting that in the underground and mass marketing it to society in a race to the bottom for a quarterly profit.
" yes people will get it but they shouldnt have to go to the underground to get it.
If anything this hurts more than helps.
Because now u took someone who might have never broken any laws and made them a criminal.
As with many things it could serve as a gateway to other illegal activities.The banning of violent video games has nothing to do with protecting anyone or lower the violence rate.
IT is about forcing one groups morality(which is completely Subjective) on everyone.
Just because your pathetic mind can't seperate the game from the real world doesn't mean i shouldn't get to enjoy my favorite passtime.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30333750</id>
	<title>If I worked on AvP, I'd be partying over this.</title>
	<author>zullnero</author>
	<datestamp>1260010620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>If a ratings board bans their game, even if it's a derivative piece of movie-spawned crap, it's pure gold for marketing.  There's no way that the Australian government is going to block kids from getting the game...they will find a way one way or the other.  But they're definitely doing yeoman's work in promoting the game everywhere by giving it a big "bad" rating.  All the ratings system does is provide a free benchmark for a particular genre to strive for because they know that's what will turn heads and sell their product.
<br> <br>
I know that if I were representing the company for this product, I'd be scheduling a big party to celebrate the rating and ban, not trying to make a political/free speech point out of it.  The ratings system is an amazing helping hand to this particular venue.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If a ratings board bans their game , even if it 's a derivative piece of movie-spawned crap , it 's pure gold for marketing .
There 's no way that the Australian government is going to block kids from getting the game...they will find a way one way or the other .
But they 're definitely doing yeoman 's work in promoting the game everywhere by giving it a big " bad " rating .
All the ratings system does is provide a free benchmark for a particular genre to strive for because they know that 's what will turn heads and sell their product .
I know that if I were representing the company for this product , I 'd be scheduling a big party to celebrate the rating and ban , not trying to make a political/free speech point out of it .
The ratings system is an amazing helping hand to this particular venue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If a ratings board bans their game, even if it's a derivative piece of movie-spawned crap, it's pure gold for marketing.
There's no way that the Australian government is going to block kids from getting the game...they will find a way one way or the other.
But they're definitely doing yeoman's work in promoting the game everywhere by giving it a big "bad" rating.
All the ratings system does is provide a free benchmark for a particular genre to strive for because they know that's what will turn heads and sell their product.
I know that if I were representing the company for this product, I'd be scheduling a big party to celebrate the rating and ban, not trying to make a political/free speech point out of it.
The ratings system is an amazing helping hand to this particular venue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30333586</id>
	<title>Apparently there's an I in democracy</title>
	<author>ghmh</author>
	<datestamp>1260007260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Quick explanation: Pretty much most of Australia would be happy to have an 'R' rating for computer games.</p><p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael\_Atkinson" title="wikipedia.org">This guy (Michael Atkinson)</a> [wikipedia.org], however would not. He has the power to veto it and continues to do so.</p><p>Due to his geographical location, there's bugger all the majority of Australia can do about it from a voting perspective.</p><p>I don't blame game publishers for not releasing stuff here. Effectively we're all just waiting for 'Nanny' Atkinson to become senile and finally leave his post as South Australia's attorney general.</p><p>The thing that really worries me is how come they have this veto power for things like this in the first place....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Quick explanation : Pretty much most of Australia would be happy to have an 'R ' rating for computer games .
This guy ( Michael Atkinson ) [ wikipedia.org ] , however would not .
He has the power to veto it and continues to do so.Due to his geographical location , there 's bugger all the majority of Australia can do about it from a voting perspective.I do n't blame game publishers for not releasing stuff here .
Effectively we 're all just waiting for 'Nanny ' Atkinson to become senile and finally leave his post as South Australia 's attorney general.The thing that really worries me is how come they have this veto power for things like this in the first place... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quick explanation: Pretty much most of Australia would be happy to have an 'R' rating for computer games.
This guy (Michael Atkinson) [wikipedia.org], however would not.
He has the power to veto it and continues to do so.Due to his geographical location, there's bugger all the majority of Australia can do about it from a voting perspective.I don't blame game publishers for not releasing stuff here.
Effectively we're all just waiting for 'Nanny' Atkinson to become senile and finally leave his post as South Australia's attorney general.The thing that really worries me is how come they have this veto power for things like this in the first place....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30335820</id>
	<title>lol wut</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260035340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The ban hammer situation on games here in Australia is a joke. The situation is made mostly because the peps I voted for won't introduce an R18+ rating for games.</p><p>I find it odd - I can obtain content of women and men (real, organic, breathing) engaging in activities many would find disturbing. I am legally allowed to do that. I am not legally allowed to do anything perverse in the digital world. That sex educator game I've always wanted will be illegal before a single line of code is written.</p><p>Mind you I am one of a minority group and would say most things is A-OK in the digital world. Yes yes. I want baby shaker app on the Wii with a bluetooth rag doll and loads of sensors. Bonus points for exposing said doll to 10G, 50kg of pressure and drowning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The ban hammer situation on games here in Australia is a joke .
The situation is made mostly because the peps I voted for wo n't introduce an R18 + rating for games.I find it odd - I can obtain content of women and men ( real , organic , breathing ) engaging in activities many would find disturbing .
I am legally allowed to do that .
I am not legally allowed to do anything perverse in the digital world .
That sex educator game I 've always wanted will be illegal before a single line of code is written.Mind you I am one of a minority group and would say most things is A-OK in the digital world .
Yes yes .
I want baby shaker app on the Wii with a bluetooth rag doll and loads of sensors .
Bonus points for exposing said doll to 10G , 50kg of pressure and drowning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ban hammer situation on games here in Australia is a joke.
The situation is made mostly because the peps I voted for won't introduce an R18+ rating for games.I find it odd - I can obtain content of women and men (real, organic, breathing) engaging in activities many would find disturbing.
I am legally allowed to do that.
I am not legally allowed to do anything perverse in the digital world.
That sex educator game I've always wanted will be illegal before a single line of code is written.Mind you I am one of a minority group and would say most things is A-OK in the digital world.
Yes yes.
I want baby shaker app on the Wii with a bluetooth rag doll and loads of sensors.
Bonus points for exposing said doll to 10G, 50kg of pressure and drowning.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30357130</id>
	<title>Re:Apparently there's an I in democracy</title>
	<author>Rakarra</author>
	<datestamp>1260177000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I really don't understand why we've hung on to this ridiculously outdated notion of political power being assigned hierarchically by physical location. I have little in common with my neighbors, let alone people a mere suburb away, but I have the same political interests as other people in my field of employment literally thousands of kilometers away in Perth.</p><p>Take a look at the insane degree to which Americans have taken Gerrymandering [wikipedia.org] - formerly simple voting territories have been made almost fractal in outline! It's a bad, half-baked solution to concentrating voter power among like-minded people, to get a representative in to government, where otherwise the votes would be too diluted within a territory.</p></div><p>Actually.. Gerrymandering is the creation of bizarrely-drawn districts because most of the people in those districts DO agree with each other, as opposed to districts that are.. oh, square shaped and would contains different types of neighborhoods.</p><p>Gerrymandering is effective because the people in that district agree with each other, and it thus creates districts that are 'safe' for the political party drawing up the lines. I would think you'd actually be in favor of it, as its entire purpose is to disregard geography as much as possible in unifying like-minded people.</p><p>The reason why territory-based voting is still popular is that most basic issues, especially 'local' issues, are still geography-based. Local taxes, education, utilities, local government services...</p></div>
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<tokenext>I really do n't understand why we 've hung on to this ridiculously outdated notion of political power being assigned hierarchically by physical location .
I have little in common with my neighbors , let alone people a mere suburb away , but I have the same political interests as other people in my field of employment literally thousands of kilometers away in Perth.Take a look at the insane degree to which Americans have taken Gerrymandering [ wikipedia.org ] - formerly simple voting territories have been made almost fractal in outline !
It 's a bad , half-baked solution to concentrating voter power among like-minded people , to get a representative in to government , where otherwise the votes would be too diluted within a territory.Actually.. Gerrymandering is the creation of bizarrely-drawn districts because most of the people in those districts DO agree with each other , as opposed to districts that are.. oh , square shaped and would contains different types of neighborhoods.Gerrymandering is effective because the people in that district agree with each other , and it thus creates districts that are 'safe ' for the political party drawing up the lines .
I would think you 'd actually be in favor of it , as its entire purpose is to disregard geography as much as possible in unifying like-minded people.The reason why territory-based voting is still popular is that most basic issues , especially 'local ' issues , are still geography-based .
Local taxes , education , utilities , local government services.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really don't understand why we've hung on to this ridiculously outdated notion of political power being assigned hierarchically by physical location.
I have little in common with my neighbors, let alone people a mere suburb away, but I have the same political interests as other people in my field of employment literally thousands of kilometers away in Perth.Take a look at the insane degree to which Americans have taken Gerrymandering [wikipedia.org] - formerly simple voting territories have been made almost fractal in outline!
It's a bad, half-baked solution to concentrating voter power among like-minded people, to get a representative in to government, where otherwise the votes would be too diluted within a territory.Actually.. Gerrymandering is the creation of bizarrely-drawn districts because most of the people in those districts DO agree with each other, as opposed to districts that are.. oh, square shaped and would contains different types of neighborhoods.Gerrymandering is effective because the people in that district agree with each other, and it thus creates districts that are 'safe' for the political party drawing up the lines.
I would think you'd actually be in favor of it, as its entire purpose is to disregard geography as much as possible in unifying like-minded people.The reason why territory-based voting is still popular is that most basic issues, especially 'local' issues, are still geography-based.
Local taxes, education, utilities, local government services...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30334604</id>
	<title>Re:As an Australian Resident,,,</title>
	<author>metrix007</author>
	<datestamp>1260025620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, you're not yet an Australian. Technically and legally you might be, but you have a long ways to go before being one culturally. You also have absolutely no idea how most australians feel on the matter. I suggest you look into why the rating is held up in the first place. (hint: because of one man disagreeing with the majority)</p><p>You're also exaggerating the differences between the US and Aus greatly. The difference isn't anything like you imply.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , you 're not yet an Australian .
Technically and legally you might be , but you have a long ways to go before being one culturally .
You also have absolutely no idea how most australians feel on the matter .
I suggest you look into why the rating is held up in the first place .
( hint : because of one man disagreeing with the majority ) You 're also exaggerating the differences between the US and Aus greatly .
The difference is n't anything like you imply .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, you're not yet an Australian.
Technically and legally you might be, but you have a long ways to go before being one culturally.
You also have absolutely no idea how most australians feel on the matter.
I suggest you look into why the rating is held up in the first place.
(hint: because of one man disagreeing with the majority)You're also exaggerating the differences between the US and Aus greatly.
The difference isn't anything like you imply.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30334504</id>
	<title>Two Words...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260024060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nanny State.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nanny State .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nanny State.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30334978</id>
	<title>Black market</title>
	<author>heidaro</author>
	<datestamp>1260029160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>There will be a black market for AvP now. You will go down town and find a drug dealer and be all like "yo homie, can I have a pack of death sticks? - Oh, and do you have a copy of AvP as well?"</htmltext>
<tokenext>There will be a black market for AvP now .
You will go down town and find a drug dealer and be all like " yo homie , can I have a pack of death sticks ?
- Oh , and do you have a copy of AvP as well ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There will be a black market for AvP now.
You will go down town and find a drug dealer and be all like "yo homie, can I have a pack of death sticks?
- Oh, and do you have a copy of AvP as well?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30333688</id>
	<title>As an Australian Resident,,,</title>
	<author>SexyKellyOsbourne</author>
	<datestamp>1260009180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As an American who moved to Australia a few years ago and married into citizenship, I actually support Australia's strong stance against violent video games and a violent society. The contrast is especially strong when you return to the states for a month or two.</p><p>What people generally don't seem to get is that violence is promoted by the mass media to make a quick buck. People here who want to get this game will, just as they will anything else out there -- but there's a difference between getting that in the underground and mass marketing it to society in a race to the bottom for a quarterly profit.</p><p>While AvP might not be the most violent video game out there, at least we have a line drawn in the sand. People even in their 20's and 30's grew up playing "games" of execution (Mortal Kombat) and mass murder simulators (Doom), alienating us from society.</p><p>But since then, we've had children, and we don't want our children to grow up with the wrongs we grew up with, especially since they get worse as time goes on.</p><p>What Australia is doing is really no different of a public safety measure than requiring seat belts in cars and enforcing people wearing it. Call that "Nanny State" all you want, and dream of days without it, but it saved and still saves lives.</p><p>It's not a popular opinion, so rate me down, do what you want, but I'm speaking how I and most other Australians I know feel.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As an American who moved to Australia a few years ago and married into citizenship , I actually support Australia 's strong stance against violent video games and a violent society .
The contrast is especially strong when you return to the states for a month or two.What people generally do n't seem to get is that violence is promoted by the mass media to make a quick buck .
People here who want to get this game will , just as they will anything else out there -- but there 's a difference between getting that in the underground and mass marketing it to society in a race to the bottom for a quarterly profit.While AvP might not be the most violent video game out there , at least we have a line drawn in the sand .
People even in their 20 's and 30 's grew up playing " games " of execution ( Mortal Kombat ) and mass murder simulators ( Doom ) , alienating us from society.But since then , we 've had children , and we do n't want our children to grow up with the wrongs we grew up with , especially since they get worse as time goes on.What Australia is doing is really no different of a public safety measure than requiring seat belts in cars and enforcing people wearing it .
Call that " Nanny State " all you want , and dream of days without it , but it saved and still saves lives.It 's not a popular opinion , so rate me down , do what you want , but I 'm speaking how I and most other Australians I know feel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an American who moved to Australia a few years ago and married into citizenship, I actually support Australia's strong stance against violent video games and a violent society.
The contrast is especially strong when you return to the states for a month or two.What people generally don't seem to get is that violence is promoted by the mass media to make a quick buck.
People here who want to get this game will, just as they will anything else out there -- but there's a difference between getting that in the underground and mass marketing it to society in a race to the bottom for a quarterly profit.While AvP might not be the most violent video game out there, at least we have a line drawn in the sand.
People even in their 20's and 30's grew up playing "games" of execution (Mortal Kombat) and mass murder simulators (Doom), alienating us from society.But since then, we've had children, and we don't want our children to grow up with the wrongs we grew up with, especially since they get worse as time goes on.What Australia is doing is really no different of a public safety measure than requiring seat belts in cars and enforcing people wearing it.
Call that "Nanny State" all you want, and dream of days without it, but it saved and still saves lives.It's not a popular opinion, so rate me down, do what you want, but I'm speaking how I and most other Australians I know feel.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30335086</id>
	<title>Re:Apparently there's an I in democracy</title>
	<author>rhsanborn</author>
	<datestamp>1260029880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are some things that are necessarily locale based. I live in Michigan, USA, and (while I disagree with the mess that is the current political situation here) the fact is that there is a region that has a lot of things in common and needs a government that focused on the region and it's issues. Further, there tends to be a concentration of political ideals in certain areas, and local and regional power allow people to have at least some aspect of their government represent their views.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are some things that are necessarily locale based .
I live in Michigan , USA , and ( while I disagree with the mess that is the current political situation here ) the fact is that there is a region that has a lot of things in common and needs a government that focused on the region and it 's issues .
Further , there tends to be a concentration of political ideals in certain areas , and local and regional power allow people to have at least some aspect of their government represent their views .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are some things that are necessarily locale based.
I live in Michigan, USA, and (while I disagree with the mess that is the current political situation here) the fact is that there is a region that has a lot of things in common and needs a government that focused on the region and it's issues.
Further, there tends to be a concentration of political ideals in certain areas, and local and regional power allow people to have at least some aspect of their government represent their views.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30334214</id>
	<title>Re:As an Australian Resident,,,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260018300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>As an American who moved to Australia a few years ago and married into citizenship, I actually support Australia's strong stance against violent video games and a violent society. The contrast is especially strong when you return to the states for a month or two.</p></div></blockquote><p>And yet the rest of the world has these 'violent video games' and the contrast varies greatly from country to country. Hell, just try to tell me that these violent video games are making people in Switzerland more violent than those in Australia. Seriously...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As an American who moved to Australia a few years ago and married into citizenship , I actually support Australia 's strong stance against violent video games and a violent society .
The contrast is especially strong when you return to the states for a month or two.And yet the rest of the world has these 'violent video games ' and the contrast varies greatly from country to country .
Hell , just try to tell me that these violent video games are making people in Switzerland more violent than those in Australia .
Seriously.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an American who moved to Australia a few years ago and married into citizenship, I actually support Australia's strong stance against violent video games and a violent society.
The contrast is especially strong when you return to the states for a month or two.And yet the rest of the world has these 'violent video games' and the contrast varies greatly from country to country.
Hell, just try to tell me that these violent video games are making people in Switzerland more violent than those in Australia.
Seriously...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30333746</id>
	<title>Re:As an Australian Resident,,,</title>
	<author>jez9999</author>
	<datestamp>1260010500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>People even in their 20's and 30's grew up playing "games" of execution (Mortal Kombat) and mass murder simulators (Doom), alienating us from society.</i></p><p>How and why were you alienated from society?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People even in their 20 's and 30 's grew up playing " games " of execution ( Mortal Kombat ) and mass murder simulators ( Doom ) , alienating us from society.How and why were you alienated from society ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People even in their 20's and 30's grew up playing "games" of execution (Mortal Kombat) and mass murder simulators (Doom), alienating us from society.How and why were you alienated from society?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30334598</id>
	<title>so people in aus can download it and not be a pira</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1260025500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>so people in aus can download it and not be a pirate?</p><p>at lest pc's don't have region lock out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so people in aus can download it and not be a pirate ? at lest pc 's do n't have region lock out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so people in aus can download it and not be a pirate?at lest pc's don't have region lock out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30333902</id>
	<title>Marketing.</title>
	<author>NoPantsJim</author>
	<datestamp>1260012900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sure this will get played up eventually. Remember when that crappy game Bully was pulled from certain shelves? Banning stuff seems to make it more desirable to complete dimwits.
<br> <br>
Even stuff that has never been banned from anything ever, but has implications of being banned is somehow more desirable. Consider that Affliction MMA special "Banned" from a few years back. I was in college at the time, and it seemed every cement head obsessed with mixed martial arts was going on and on about wanting to buy new special that had been "banned just about everywhere, bro" (or sometimes, "brah").
<br> <br>
I sincerely doubt the devs are worried. In fact, they're probably pray for some retail chain in the states to "ban" selling the title.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure this will get played up eventually .
Remember when that crappy game Bully was pulled from certain shelves ?
Banning stuff seems to make it more desirable to complete dimwits .
Even stuff that has never been banned from anything ever , but has implications of being banned is somehow more desirable .
Consider that Affliction MMA special " Banned " from a few years back .
I was in college at the time , and it seemed every cement head obsessed with mixed martial arts was going on and on about wanting to buy new special that had been " banned just about everywhere , bro " ( or sometimes , " brah " ) .
I sincerely doubt the devs are worried .
In fact , they 're probably pray for some retail chain in the states to " ban " selling the title .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure this will get played up eventually.
Remember when that crappy game Bully was pulled from certain shelves?
Banning stuff seems to make it more desirable to complete dimwits.
Even stuff that has never been banned from anything ever, but has implications of being banned is somehow more desirable.
Consider that Affliction MMA special "Banned" from a few years back.
I was in college at the time, and it seemed every cement head obsessed with mixed martial arts was going on and on about wanting to buy new special that had been "banned just about everywhere, bro" (or sometimes, "brah").
I sincerely doubt the devs are worried.
In fact, they're probably pray for some retail chain in the states to "ban" selling the title.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30333526</id>
	<title>Good to see game developers put their foot down</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260006360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Refusal to put up with bullshit like Australia and Germany's ratings boards is the only way to bring them down.  Tolerance for censorship only breeds familiarity and further tolerance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Refusal to put up with bullshit like Australia and Germany 's ratings boards is the only way to bring them down .
Tolerance for censorship only breeds familiarity and further tolerance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Refusal to put up with bullshit like Australia and Germany's ratings boards is the only way to bring them down.
Tolerance for censorship only breeds familiarity and further tolerance.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30333502</id>
	<title>First Trout!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260005820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am a fish ^^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a fish ^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a fish ^^</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30333598</id>
	<title>Re:Good to see game developers put their foot down</title>
	<author>DiSKiLLeR</author>
	<datestamp>1260007440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As an aussie....<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/agreed!</p><p>And anyway, its not gonna stop jack shit. Everyone will just buy the game off eBay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As an aussie.... /agreed ! And anyway , its not gon na stop jack shit .
Everyone will just buy the game off eBay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an aussie.... /agreed!And anyway, its not gonna stop jack shit.
Everyone will just buy the game off eBay.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30333650</id>
	<title>Re:Apparently there's an I in democracy</title>
	<author>bmgoau</author>
	<datestamp>1260008460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The parent is correct. As a fellow Australian I am just waiting for this guy to move on.</p><p>Someone wrote to him a couple of times before getting an extensive reply attempting to justify his position, consider reading it here [PDF]</p><p><a href="http://bunnitude.com/misc/files/R18-Michael\%20Atkinson.pdf" title="bunnitude.com">http://bunnitude.com/misc/files/R18-Michael\%20Atkinson.pdf</a> [bunnitude.com]</p><p>Quotes<br>"I think you will find this issue has little traction with my constituents who are more concerned with real life issues than home entertainment in imaginary worlds"<br>"I am concerned about the impact of this extreme content on children"<br>"It is true this restricts liberty, however I am prepared to accept this infringement"</p><p>It's basically a long winded version of "will someone please think of the children!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The parent is correct .
As a fellow Australian I am just waiting for this guy to move on.Someone wrote to him a couple of times before getting an extensive reply attempting to justify his position , consider reading it here [ PDF ] http : //bunnitude.com/misc/files/R18-Michael \ % 20Atkinson.pdf [ bunnitude.com ] Quotes " I think you will find this issue has little traction with my constituents who are more concerned with real life issues than home entertainment in imaginary worlds " " I am concerned about the impact of this extreme content on children " " It is true this restricts liberty , however I am prepared to accept this infringement " It 's basically a long winded version of " will someone please think of the children !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The parent is correct.
As a fellow Australian I am just waiting for this guy to move on.Someone wrote to him a couple of times before getting an extensive reply attempting to justify his position, consider reading it here [PDF]http://bunnitude.com/misc/files/R18-Michael\%20Atkinson.pdf [bunnitude.com]Quotes"I think you will find this issue has little traction with my constituents who are more concerned with real life issues than home entertainment in imaginary worlds""I am concerned about the impact of this extreme content on children""It is true this restricts liberty, however I am prepared to accept this infringement"It's basically a long winded version of "will someone please think of the children!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30334132</id>
	<title>Re:As an Australian Resident,,,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260016920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As an American who moved to Australia a few years ago and married into citizenship, I actually support Australia's strong stance against violent video games and a violent society. The contrast is especially strong when you return to the states for a month or two.</p><p>...</p><p>It's not a popular opinion, so rate me down, do what you want, but I'm speaking how I and most other Australians I know feel.</p></div><p>Do you consider yourself Australian now?  If so, please, please, please renounce your American citizenship.</p><p>Thank you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As an American who moved to Australia a few years ago and married into citizenship , I actually support Australia 's strong stance against violent video games and a violent society .
The contrast is especially strong when you return to the states for a month or two....It 's not a popular opinion , so rate me down , do what you want , but I 'm speaking how I and most other Australians I know feel.Do you consider yourself Australian now ?
If so , please , please , please renounce your American citizenship.Thank you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an American who moved to Australia a few years ago and married into citizenship, I actually support Australia's strong stance against violent video games and a violent society.
The contrast is especially strong when you return to the states for a month or two....It's not a popular opinion, so rate me down, do what you want, but I'm speaking how I and most other Australians I know feel.Do you consider yourself Australian now?
If so, please, please, please renounce your American citizenship.Thank you.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30360224</id>
	<title>Gang rape as a 10man raid?</title>
	<author>Myrcutio</author>
	<datestamp>1260195420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Better watch out for all those crusty Warcraft jugglers, they're being trained to kill things as a group.  You'd better lower the standards to G ratings or i'm sure all the WoW nerds in Australia will start banding together and rolling against each other for who gets to loot your house.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Better watch out for all those crusty Warcraft jugglers , they 're being trained to kill things as a group .
You 'd better lower the standards to G ratings or i 'm sure all the WoW nerds in Australia will start banding together and rolling against each other for who gets to loot your house .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better watch out for all those crusty Warcraft jugglers, they're being trained to kill things as a group.
You'd better lower the standards to G ratings or i'm sure all the WoW nerds in Australia will start banding together and rolling against each other for who gets to loot your house.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30334660</id>
	<title>for some reason i read it as...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260026400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>aliens vs predator board game doesnt make it past au ratings<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>about right.</p><p>if you, and everyone you know stands up for the truth; so that every jury rejects the false criminalisation and anal rape of non violent political prisoners, the old generation of greedy sado moralists will die together with their  cannabis will be legalised; the future generations will look back at our contradictory confusion with bemusement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>aliens vs predator board game doesnt make it past au ratings ...about right.if you , and everyone you know stands up for the truth ; so that every jury rejects the false criminalisation and anal rape of non violent political prisoners , the old generation of greedy sado moralists will die together with their cannabis will be legalised ; the future generations will look back at our contradictory confusion with bemusement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>aliens vs predator board game doesnt make it past au ratings ...about right.if you, and everyone you know stands up for the truth; so that every jury rejects the false criminalisation and anal rape of non violent political prisoners, the old generation of greedy sado moralists will die together with their  cannabis will be legalised; the future generations will look back at our contradictory confusion with bemusement.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30333744</id>
	<title>Re:As an Australian Resident,,,</title>
	<author>irockash</author>
	<datestamp>1260010440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Curious, how is violence shown in the media over there? I know in the states it's watered down compared to some international news I've watched (where you see actual bodies and not just a map of the general area). If anything, I think that helps people accept it and not feed into the hype around it.

That said, this game would get an M rating over here, or from what I've read in the other comments, they need some sort of 18+ in Austrailia. As in, you won't be able to purchase the game unless you're 18, there's no valid "think of the children" excuse when you're old enough to buy cigarettes. Sure some kids will have their parents buy the game, but that's who should be putting the foot down. From your comment, it seems like you would decide not to purchase the game for your kids. Which is fine, as long as it's your decision and not the governments.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Curious , how is violence shown in the media over there ?
I know in the states it 's watered down compared to some international news I 've watched ( where you see actual bodies and not just a map of the general area ) .
If anything , I think that helps people accept it and not feed into the hype around it .
That said , this game would get an M rating over here , or from what I 've read in the other comments , they need some sort of 18 + in Austrailia .
As in , you wo n't be able to purchase the game unless you 're 18 , there 's no valid " think of the children " excuse when you 're old enough to buy cigarettes .
Sure some kids will have their parents buy the game , but that 's who should be putting the foot down .
From your comment , it seems like you would decide not to purchase the game for your kids .
Which is fine , as long as it 's your decision and not the governments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Curious, how is violence shown in the media over there?
I know in the states it's watered down compared to some international news I've watched (where you see actual bodies and not just a map of the general area).
If anything, I think that helps people accept it and not feed into the hype around it.
That said, this game would get an M rating over here, or from what I've read in the other comments, they need some sort of 18+ in Austrailia.
As in, you won't be able to purchase the game unless you're 18, there's no valid "think of the children" excuse when you're old enough to buy cigarettes.
Sure some kids will have their parents buy the game, but that's who should be putting the foot down.
From your comment, it seems like you would decide not to purchase the game for your kids.
Which is fine, as long as it's your decision and not the governments.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30333748</id>
	<title>My kingdom for some proof!</title>
	<author>sifRAWR</author>
	<datestamp>1260010560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Any evidence that this ban on games has had any effect on crime rates in Austalia? Compared with a similar sized country with no strict censorship?
Just interested actually, as I have no idea if there is any evidence.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Any evidence that this ban on games has had any effect on crime rates in Austalia ?
Compared with a similar sized country with no strict censorship ?
Just interested actually , as I have no idea if there is any evidence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any evidence that this ban on games has had any effect on crime rates in Austalia?
Compared with a similar sized country with no strict censorship?
Just interested actually, as I have no idea if there is any evidence.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30333770</id>
	<title>Re:As an Australian Resident,,,</title>
	<author>Mr. Freeman</author>
	<datestamp>1260010980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Jack Thompson, you've moved to slashdot.  Your so called "public safety measure" is really censorship.<br>Normally I'd tell you to get the hell out of my country but, well, you already did.  So, good job.  I commend you.  Most people who live in the US throw away their freedom and ruin it for the rest of us.  You actually did the proper thing and moved to a country where you don't have that freedom in the first place.<br><br>Thank you, really, thank you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Jack Thompson , you 've moved to slashdot .
Your so called " public safety measure " is really censorship.Normally I 'd tell you to get the hell out of my country but , well , you already did .
So , good job .
I commend you .
Most people who live in the US throw away their freedom and ruin it for the rest of us .
You actually did the proper thing and moved to a country where you do n't have that freedom in the first place.Thank you , really , thank you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jack Thompson, you've moved to slashdot.
Your so called "public safety measure" is really censorship.Normally I'd tell you to get the hell out of my country but, well, you already did.
So, good job.
I commend you.
Most people who live in the US throw away their freedom and ruin it for the rest of us.
You actually did the proper thing and moved to a country where you don't have that freedom in the first place.Thank you, really, thank you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30334754</id>
	<title>Re:Good to see game developers put their foot down</title>
	<author>Cimexus</author>
	<datestamp>1260027420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly. The lack of a rating just means Australian retailers can't legally sell the game. Doesn't mean you can't play if it you order it from ebay or an overseas website. Which is exactly what everyone does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
The lack of a rating just means Australian retailers ca n't legally sell the game .
Does n't mean you ca n't play if it you order it from ebay or an overseas website .
Which is exactly what everyone does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
The lack of a rating just means Australian retailers can't legally sell the game.
Doesn't mean you can't play if it you order it from ebay or an overseas website.
Which is exactly what everyone does.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30336022</id>
	<title>The "When I was their age" lag</title>
	<author>Lemming Mark</author>
	<datestamp>1260036480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems to me that there's an amusing lag in regulatory / legal processes.  Seems like if you're an MP or a judge, the dangerous, illegal, subversive stuff if "Stuff that's happened since I was 21".  The established Right Way that we all acknowledge as Truth is "How things were before I was 21".  In a decade or two we're perhaps going to see MPs who have a more realistic attitude to internet censorship, copyright, etc (modulo lobbying by business, of course!) and the terrifying new technology that's corrupting our children will be augmented reality, neural uplinks, or fully functional Terminators or something - whatever the alarmingly young and unruly kids are currently playing with.</p><p>As others have noted, it's apparently not possible to assign 18+ (or equivalent) ratings to games in Australia, so it's not necessarily like the classification people are censoring it - you make a game that "should" have an 18+ rating, they're not able to give it that, they have no choice but to refuse classification.  Who is responsible for this rule?  It's they who is/are responsible for the video games being banned.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems to me that there 's an amusing lag in regulatory / legal processes .
Seems like if you 're an MP or a judge , the dangerous , illegal , subversive stuff if " Stuff that 's happened since I was 21 " .
The established Right Way that we all acknowledge as Truth is " How things were before I was 21 " .
In a decade or two we 're perhaps going to see MPs who have a more realistic attitude to internet censorship , copyright , etc ( modulo lobbying by business , of course !
) and the terrifying new technology that 's corrupting our children will be augmented reality , neural uplinks , or fully functional Terminators or something - whatever the alarmingly young and unruly kids are currently playing with.As others have noted , it 's apparently not possible to assign 18 + ( or equivalent ) ratings to games in Australia , so it 's not necessarily like the classification people are censoring it - you make a game that " should " have an 18 + rating , they 're not able to give it that , they have no choice but to refuse classification .
Who is responsible for this rule ?
It 's they who is/are responsible for the video games being banned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems to me that there's an amusing lag in regulatory / legal processes.
Seems like if you're an MP or a judge, the dangerous, illegal, subversive stuff if "Stuff that's happened since I was 21".
The established Right Way that we all acknowledge as Truth is "How things were before I was 21".
In a decade or two we're perhaps going to see MPs who have a more realistic attitude to internet censorship, copyright, etc (modulo lobbying by business, of course!
) and the terrifying new technology that's corrupting our children will be augmented reality, neural uplinks, or fully functional Terminators or something - whatever the alarmingly young and unruly kids are currently playing with.As others have noted, it's apparently not possible to assign 18+ (or equivalent) ratings to games in Australia, so it's not necessarily like the classification people are censoring it - you make a game that "should" have an 18+ rating, they're not able to give it that, they have no choice but to refuse classification.
Who is responsible for this rule?
It's they who is/are responsible for the video games being banned.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30336386</id>
	<title>Mixed emotions</title>
	<author>Nekomusume</author>
	<datestamp>1260038700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On one hand, I must applaud the integrity of a company that decides not to alter it's product to get around a stupid ban like this.</p><p>On the other hand, AvP is one of my least favorite franchises, and I wish it would just disappear and let us return to two totally seperate universes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On one hand , I must applaud the integrity of a company that decides not to alter it 's product to get around a stupid ban like this.On the other hand , AvP is one of my least favorite franchises , and I wish it would just disappear and let us return to two totally seperate universes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On one hand, I must applaud the integrity of a company that decides not to alter it's product to get around a stupid ban like this.On the other hand, AvP is one of my least favorite franchises, and I wish it would just disappear and let us return to two totally seperate universes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30334130</id>
	<title>Of course...</title>
	<author>TheVelvetFlamebait</author>
	<datestamp>1260016860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... the honest, hard-working pirates of Australia (and maybe the world) will dutifully punish them for not properly distributing their game.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... the honest , hard-working pirates of Australia ( and maybe the world ) will dutifully punish them for not properly distributing their game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... the honest, hard-working pirates of Australia (and maybe the world) will dutifully punish them for not properly distributing their game.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30333616</id>
	<title>The system in Australia is messed up.</title>
	<author>qazadex</author>
	<datestamp>1260007860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Despite the fact that many video gamers want a R18+ rating in Australia for video games like there is in movies, and there is near unanimous to implement one, the Attorney General of South Australia (heavy Christian Conservative) doesn't approve, so it cant go through. It should be based on majority, not need for unanimity. Its not a jury, and doesnt require measures from one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Despite the fact that many video gamers want a R18 + rating in Australia for video games like there is in movies , and there is near unanimous to implement one , the Attorney General of South Australia ( heavy Christian Conservative ) does n't approve , so it cant go through .
It should be based on majority , not need for unanimity .
Its not a jury , and doesnt require measures from one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Despite the fact that many video gamers want a R18+ rating in Australia for video games like there is in movies, and there is near unanimous to implement one, the Attorney General of South Australia (heavy Christian Conservative) doesn't approve, so it cant go through.
It should be based on majority, not need for unanimity.
Its not a jury, and doesnt require measures from one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30338508</id>
	<title>Why not do like the South Park creators?</title>
	<author>pky666</author>
	<datestamp>1260009480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When they filmed their marionette sex scene for "Team America", Trey Parker and Matt Stone put in some crazy shit - literally.  (And this was prior to the "Two Girls One Cup" phenomena<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)  They knew that the censors would not allow it, but they never intended them to allow it.  They realized that the censors feel the need to remove something from these cutting edge films in order to sleep well at night.<br><br>Similarly, software designers could put some crazy stuff in (i.e. the airport scenario from "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2", or "hot coffee" from GTA: San Andreas), and then submit the software for review, while they could automatically have the "censored" version ready for production or even shrink wrapped.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When they filmed their marionette sex scene for " Team America " , Trey Parker and Matt Stone put in some crazy shit - literally .
( And this was prior to the " Two Girls One Cup " phenomena : ) They knew that the censors would not allow it , but they never intended them to allow it .
They realized that the censors feel the need to remove something from these cutting edge films in order to sleep well at night.Similarly , software designers could put some crazy stuff in ( i.e .
the airport scenario from " Call of Duty : Modern Warfare 2 " , or " hot coffee " from GTA : San Andreas ) , and then submit the software for review , while they could automatically have the " censored " version ready for production or even shrink wrapped .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When they filmed their marionette sex scene for "Team America", Trey Parker and Matt Stone put in some crazy shit - literally.
(And this was prior to the "Two Girls One Cup" phenomena :)  They knew that the censors would not allow it, but they never intended them to allow it.
They realized that the censors feel the need to remove something from these cutting edge films in order to sleep well at night.Similarly, software designers could put some crazy stuff in (i.e.
the airport scenario from "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2", or "hot coffee" from GTA: San Andreas), and then submit the software for review, while they could automatically have the "censored" version ready for production or even shrink wrapped.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30334350</id>
	<title>Re:As an Australian Resident,,,</title>
	<author>ledow</author>
	<datestamp>1260021120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And if you think it makes any difference to an otherwise-normal teenager or adult if they play violent games, or view porn, or not, you're sadly mistaken.  A survey by a UK university recently wanted to analyse the difference between people who did view violent / pornographic material and those who did not.  They could not find a single suitable person to analyse, who'd never been exposed to either.  This is pretty much the same throughout human history once a person hits a certain age.</p><p>Humans are animals, we are built by nature to compete, be strong, even fight among each other, and to have sex.  Like every other animal on the planet.  And if you think that *viewing* such actions makes any difference to an otherwise-normal person, you're wrong.  I can watch someone smoke on television (or in the case of one parent, every single day at home) and not want to fill my lungs with poisonous gases, even when I was a teenager and had my schoolmates encouraging me (never even tried it, never want to try it) - it's called a conscience and it's also called educating your children properly.</p><p>Unfortunately the exact actions you support (banning material of that nature) makes it impossible for people to adjust to and determine the proper place of such material.  Nobody wants 11-year-olds playing Grand Theft Auto or psychotics playing Doom - that's what ratings are designed to prevent but require a *sensible* adult the other end to enforce, otherwise known as a parent/guardian - but ordinary, everyday, human beings should become acclimatised to such material - or you know what happens?  The same as when you withhold a substance and then only introduce it later in life - over-reaction to that substance (e.g. allergies, intolerances, obsessive behaviour etc.).</p><p>When governments babysit, you end up with babies.  When parents parent, you end up with human children and adults.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And if you think it makes any difference to an otherwise-normal teenager or adult if they play violent games , or view porn , or not , you 're sadly mistaken .
A survey by a UK university recently wanted to analyse the difference between people who did view violent / pornographic material and those who did not .
They could not find a single suitable person to analyse , who 'd never been exposed to either .
This is pretty much the same throughout human history once a person hits a certain age.Humans are animals , we are built by nature to compete , be strong , even fight among each other , and to have sex .
Like every other animal on the planet .
And if you think that * viewing * such actions makes any difference to an otherwise-normal person , you 're wrong .
I can watch someone smoke on television ( or in the case of one parent , every single day at home ) and not want to fill my lungs with poisonous gases , even when I was a teenager and had my schoolmates encouraging me ( never even tried it , never want to try it ) - it 's called a conscience and it 's also called educating your children properly.Unfortunately the exact actions you support ( banning material of that nature ) makes it impossible for people to adjust to and determine the proper place of such material .
Nobody wants 11-year-olds playing Grand Theft Auto or psychotics playing Doom - that 's what ratings are designed to prevent but require a * sensible * adult the other end to enforce , otherwise known as a parent/guardian - but ordinary , everyday , human beings should become acclimatised to such material - or you know what happens ?
The same as when you withhold a substance and then only introduce it later in life - over-reaction to that substance ( e.g .
allergies , intolerances , obsessive behaviour etc .
) .When governments babysit , you end up with babies .
When parents parent , you end up with human children and adults .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And if you think it makes any difference to an otherwise-normal teenager or adult if they play violent games, or view porn, or not, you're sadly mistaken.
A survey by a UK university recently wanted to analyse the difference between people who did view violent / pornographic material and those who did not.
They could not find a single suitable person to analyse, who'd never been exposed to either.
This is pretty much the same throughout human history once a person hits a certain age.Humans are animals, we are built by nature to compete, be strong, even fight among each other, and to have sex.
Like every other animal on the planet.
And if you think that *viewing* such actions makes any difference to an otherwise-normal person, you're wrong.
I can watch someone smoke on television (or in the case of one parent, every single day at home) and not want to fill my lungs with poisonous gases, even when I was a teenager and had my schoolmates encouraging me (never even tried it, never want to try it) - it's called a conscience and it's also called educating your children properly.Unfortunately the exact actions you support (banning material of that nature) makes it impossible for people to adjust to and determine the proper place of such material.
Nobody wants 11-year-olds playing Grand Theft Auto or psychotics playing Doom - that's what ratings are designed to prevent but require a *sensible* adult the other end to enforce, otherwise known as a parent/guardian - but ordinary, everyday, human beings should become acclimatised to such material - or you know what happens?
The same as when you withhold a substance and then only introduce it later in life - over-reaction to that substance (e.g.
allergies, intolerances, obsessive behaviour etc.
).When governments babysit, you end up with babies.
When parents parent, you end up with human children and adults.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30333732</id>
	<title>Re:As an Australian Resident,,,</title>
	<author>Adambomb</author>
	<datestamp>1260010200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, because places like Canada and Norway, and most other countries where these games are also legally purchased are having those problems as well.</p><p>Oh. Wait.</p><p>I've heard of people making the mistake of assuming correlation to mean a possible causal link, but this doesn't even correlate in most countries that have no problem allowing these games. Your reasoning is the same as Homer wanting Lisa's tiger repelling rock.</p><p>The problems you describe have to do with much larger underlying problems than anything video games of any sort bring to the table.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , because places like Canada and Norway , and most other countries where these games are also legally purchased are having those problems as well.Oh .
Wait.I 've heard of people making the mistake of assuming correlation to mean a possible causal link , but this does n't even correlate in most countries that have no problem allowing these games .
Your reasoning is the same as Homer wanting Lisa 's tiger repelling rock.The problems you describe have to do with much larger underlying problems than anything video games of any sort bring to the table .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, because places like Canada and Norway, and most other countries where these games are also legally purchased are having those problems as well.Oh.
Wait.I've heard of people making the mistake of assuming correlation to mean a possible causal link, but this doesn't even correlate in most countries that have no problem allowing these games.
Your reasoning is the same as Homer wanting Lisa's tiger repelling rock.The problems you describe have to do with much larger underlying problems than anything video games of any sort bring to the table.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30333570</id>
	<title>Good</title>
	<author>LBt1st</author>
	<datestamp>1260007140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm glad developers are taking a stand and refusing to sugar coat their games.<br>When Australians decide to start acting like adults they can do something about their government. Meanwhile the rest of the world's people will continue to make make choices for themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm glad developers are taking a stand and refusing to sugar coat their games.When Australians decide to start acting like adults they can do something about their government .
Meanwhile the rest of the world 's people will continue to make make choices for themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm glad developers are taking a stand and refusing to sugar coat their games.When Australians decide to start acting like adults they can do something about their government.
Meanwhile the rest of the world's people will continue to make make choices for themselves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30355204</id>
	<title>Re:Good to see game developers put their foot down</title>
	<author>Meneguzzi</author>
	<datestamp>1260210780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your comment about ebay got me in a remembrance mood. Too bad Sony killed Lik Sang a while ago, I would bet it was pretty popular down under exactly for that purpose!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your comment about ebay got me in a remembrance mood .
Too bad Sony killed Lik Sang a while ago , I would bet it was pretty popular down under exactly for that purpose !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your comment about ebay got me in a remembrance mood.
Too bad Sony killed Lik Sang a while ago, I would bet it was pretty popular down under exactly for that purpose!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30333764</id>
	<title>Re:As an Australian Resident,,,</title>
	<author>statusbar</author>
	<datestamp>1260010800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does Australia have a military where people are trained in various ways to kill other people?</p><p>And those same people who are allowed to kill people during conflicts in places like Iraq or Afghanistan are not allowed to play a video game where they could kill space aliens?</p><p>Is adult virtual violence against aliens worse than real violence against real people?</p><p>--jeffk++</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does Australia have a military where people are trained in various ways to kill other people ? And those same people who are allowed to kill people during conflicts in places like Iraq or Afghanistan are not allowed to play a video game where they could kill space aliens ? Is adult virtual violence against aliens worse than real violence against real people ? --jeffk + +</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does Australia have a military where people are trained in various ways to kill other people?And those same people who are allowed to kill people during conflicts in places like Iraq or Afghanistan are not allowed to play a video game where they could kill space aliens?Is adult virtual violence against aliens worse than real violence against real people?--jeffk++</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30333804</id>
	<title>Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260011580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would expect a headline when something does make it past the ratings board, not when it's rejected - much too common now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would expect a headline when something does make it past the ratings board , not when it 's rejected - much too common now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would expect a headline when something does make it past the ratings board, not when it's rejected - much too common now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30333754</id>
	<title>Re:As an Australian Resident,,,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260010740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because of course, as the level of detail in violent games has gone up, so has the rate of violent crimes.</p><p>Because of course, all those people who played "execution" games like mortal kombat (as an aside, are you bloody serious?) go around karate-chopping and executing people.</p><p>Because of course, all those people who played mass murder simulators like Doom (as another aside, REALLY? Have you actually PLAYED Doom?) go around... mass murdering people.</p><p>Because of course, there's a proven link between violent videogames and violent behaviour.</p><p>Because of course, having an R rating means children will buy R games.</p><p>Because of course, it's up to the state to decide what children play, not their parents.</p><p>Because of course, adults can't tell the difference between a game where you're an alien, or killing aliens, and reality.</p><p>What your post basically demonstrates to me is that you don't really get it. We don't want an R rating so KIDS can play R rated games, you tool, it's so ADULTS can play them. Also, before you go equating YOUR opinion to that of the majority of Australians, why don't you try MAYBE checking the statistics on that particular claim.</p><p>Finally -  HOW DOES IT SAVE LIVES!? You can run over pedestrians in GTA and yet banning Left4Dead2 and AVP saves lives? Are you a troll or are you really that ConservAmerican?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because of course , as the level of detail in violent games has gone up , so has the rate of violent crimes.Because of course , all those people who played " execution " games like mortal kombat ( as an aside , are you bloody serious ?
) go around karate-chopping and executing people.Because of course , all those people who played mass murder simulators like Doom ( as another aside , REALLY ?
Have you actually PLAYED Doom ?
) go around... mass murdering people.Because of course , there 's a proven link between violent videogames and violent behaviour.Because of course , having an R rating means children will buy R games.Because of course , it 's up to the state to decide what children play , not their parents.Because of course , adults ca n't tell the difference between a game where you 're an alien , or killing aliens , and reality.What your post basically demonstrates to me is that you do n't really get it .
We do n't want an R rating so KIDS can play R rated games , you tool , it 's so ADULTS can play them .
Also , before you go equating YOUR opinion to that of the majority of Australians , why do n't you try MAYBE checking the statistics on that particular claim.Finally - HOW DOES IT SAVE LIVES ! ?
You can run over pedestrians in GTA and yet banning Left4Dead2 and AVP saves lives ?
Are you a troll or are you really that ConservAmerican ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because of course, as the level of detail in violent games has gone up, so has the rate of violent crimes.Because of course, all those people who played "execution" games like mortal kombat (as an aside, are you bloody serious?
) go around karate-chopping and executing people.Because of course, all those people who played mass murder simulators like Doom (as another aside, REALLY?
Have you actually PLAYED Doom?
) go around... mass murdering people.Because of course, there's a proven link between violent videogames and violent behaviour.Because of course, having an R rating means children will buy R games.Because of course, it's up to the state to decide what children play, not their parents.Because of course, adults can't tell the difference between a game where you're an alien, or killing aliens, and reality.What your post basically demonstrates to me is that you don't really get it.
We don't want an R rating so KIDS can play R rated games, you tool, it's so ADULTS can play them.
Also, before you go equating YOUR opinion to that of the majority of Australians, why don't you try MAYBE checking the statistics on that particular claim.Finally -  HOW DOES IT SAVE LIVES!?
You can run over pedestrians in GTA and yet banning Left4Dead2 and AVP saves lives?
Are you a troll or are you really that ConservAmerican?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30349474</id>
	<title>FUCK YEAH!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260123420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DO YOU PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS?!?!?!</p><p>THEY DIDN'T FUCK UP THE GORE!!!!!!!!!</p><p>You may not be aware of Rebellion's history in video game violence, but they did a DAMNED good job of making a bloody FPS.</p><p>So did Valve.</p><p>What you don't understand however is that Valve has re-created SOF2's level of gore.</p><p>It's so good you won't believe it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DO YOU PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS ? ! ? ! ?
! THEY DID N'T FUCK UP THE GORE ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
! You may not be aware of Rebellion 's history in video game violence , but they did a DAMNED good job of making a bloody FPS.So did Valve.What you do n't understand however is that Valve has re-created SOF2 's level of gore.It 's so good you wo n't believe it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DO YOU PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS?!?!?
!THEY DIDN'T FUCK UP THE GORE!!!!!!!!
!You may not be aware of Rebellion's history in video game violence, but they did a DAMNED good job of making a bloody FPS.So did Valve.What you don't understand however is that Valve has re-created SOF2's level of gore.It's so good you won't believe it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30334414</id>
	<title>Re:Apparently there's an I in democracy</title>
	<author>Jeeeb</author>
	<datestamp>1260022320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think when they setup the classification system they put in a lot of safeguards to stop it being easily subverted to a tool of political censorship. Which is a smart thing. Problem is when one of the safeguards is a douche and refuses to liberalise the system.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think when they setup the classification system they put in a lot of safeguards to stop it being easily subverted to a tool of political censorship .
Which is a smart thing .
Problem is when one of the safeguards is a douche and refuses to liberalise the system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think when they setup the classification system they put in a lot of safeguards to stop it being easily subverted to a tool of political censorship.
Which is a smart thing.
Problem is when one of the safeguards is a douche and refuses to liberalise the system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30340538</id>
	<title>Re:Mass shootings and attitude on war tell the sto</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1260026880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I dont completely agree with the game censorship, but we need to draw the line somewhere.</i></p><p>The first question that jumped to my mind when reading this is: Why? Don't feel special, it's something that always pops into my mind when someone "has to draw a line". Why do we have to draw the line somewhere on everything? There's IMO no reason that everything needs to be reglemented, sectioned into "ok" and "not for you". Who died and made someone else king to tell me what I may see?</p><p>Oh, it's gross, shocking, horrible and a few more things? That's war. You're lucky. You may choose whether you want to see it or not (ok, provided you're allowed to). A lot of people, including kids, ain't so lucky. But hey, here's a swell idea. Since you're so concerned with people seeing other people being mutilated, how about shipping everyone from a war zone who doesn't want to be there to you? I'm sure you have a spare bedroom or a million?</p><p>Or at least the kids under 18? Oh please, won't someone think of the kids? No?</p><p>Why is it that the same people who are so horribly afraid of shoing our kids virtual violence go apeshit over shipping kids out of areas where they see real violence (and towards them)?</p><p>Note: I'm not a US american and over 18. Just to refute the immediate knee-jerk response that I'd certainly get without this note.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dont completely agree with the game censorship , but we need to draw the line somewhere.The first question that jumped to my mind when reading this is : Why ?
Do n't feel special , it 's something that always pops into my mind when someone " has to draw a line " .
Why do we have to draw the line somewhere on everything ?
There 's IMO no reason that everything needs to be reglemented , sectioned into " ok " and " not for you " .
Who died and made someone else king to tell me what I may see ? Oh , it 's gross , shocking , horrible and a few more things ?
That 's war .
You 're lucky .
You may choose whether you want to see it or not ( ok , provided you 're allowed to ) .
A lot of people , including kids , ai n't so lucky .
But hey , here 's a swell idea .
Since you 're so concerned with people seeing other people being mutilated , how about shipping everyone from a war zone who does n't want to be there to you ?
I 'm sure you have a spare bedroom or a million ? Or at least the kids under 18 ?
Oh please , wo n't someone think of the kids ?
No ? Why is it that the same people who are so horribly afraid of shoing our kids virtual violence go apeshit over shipping kids out of areas where they see real violence ( and towards them ) ? Note : I 'm not a US american and over 18 .
Just to refute the immediate knee-jerk response that I 'd certainly get without this note .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dont completely agree with the game censorship, but we need to draw the line somewhere.The first question that jumped to my mind when reading this is: Why?
Don't feel special, it's something that always pops into my mind when someone "has to draw a line".
Why do we have to draw the line somewhere on everything?
There's IMO no reason that everything needs to be reglemented, sectioned into "ok" and "not for you".
Who died and made someone else king to tell me what I may see?Oh, it's gross, shocking, horrible and a few more things?
That's war.
You're lucky.
You may choose whether you want to see it or not (ok, provided you're allowed to).
A lot of people, including kids, ain't so lucky.
But hey, here's a swell idea.
Since you're so concerned with people seeing other people being mutilated, how about shipping everyone from a war zone who doesn't want to be there to you?
I'm sure you have a spare bedroom or a million?Or at least the kids under 18?
Oh please, won't someone think of the kids?
No?Why is it that the same people who are so horribly afraid of shoing our kids virtual violence go apeshit over shipping kids out of areas where they see real violence (and towards them)?Note: I'm not a US american and over 18.
Just to refute the immediate knee-jerk response that I'd certainly get without this note.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30334188</id>
	<title>Support this</title>
	<author>Servaas</author>
	<datestamp>1260017880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ill be picking up a copy just for support. Its about time childish governments were treated like children.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ill be picking up a copy just for support .
Its about time childish governments were treated like children .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ill be picking up a copy just for support.
Its about time childish governments were treated like children.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30333874</id>
	<title>Bad Parenting</title>
	<author>PolygamousRanchKid </author>
	<datestamp>1260012420000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Violent games don't turn kids into violent criminal.  But bad parenting (or no parenting at all!) sure can.
</p><p>Every time I hear: "Oh, my Johnny was such a nice boy, until he played those violent games.  They turned him into a violent rapist and killer!"
</p><p>I would like to respond: "No, lady, you did a crap job as a parent.  He would have ended up that way anyway, without violent games."
</p><p>People don't like to accept that fact that it is their own fault for how their kids grow up.
</p><p>For politicians, it is easier to point a finger at the games companies.  They don't have the courage to tell the general public: "Look, please spend more time with your children."  That would be political suicide.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Violent games do n't turn kids into violent criminal .
But bad parenting ( or no parenting at all !
) sure can .
Every time I hear : " Oh , my Johnny was such a nice boy , until he played those violent games .
They turned him into a violent rapist and killer !
" I would like to respond : " No , lady , you did a crap job as a parent .
He would have ended up that way anyway , without violent games .
" People do n't like to accept that fact that it is their own fault for how their kids grow up .
For politicians , it is easier to point a finger at the games companies .
They do n't have the courage to tell the general public : " Look , please spend more time with your children .
" That would be political suicide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Violent games don't turn kids into violent criminal.
But bad parenting (or no parenting at all!
) sure can.
Every time I hear: "Oh, my Johnny was such a nice boy, until he played those violent games.
They turned him into a violent rapist and killer!
"
I would like to respond: "No, lady, you did a crap job as a parent.
He would have ended up that way anyway, without violent games.
"
People don't like to accept that fact that it is their own fault for how their kids grow up.
For politicians, it is easier to point a finger at the games companies.
They don't have the courage to tell the general public: "Look, please spend more time with your children.
"  That would be political suicide.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Apparently there's an I in democracy</title>
	<author>bertok</author>
	<datestamp>1260010680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Quick explanation: Pretty much most of Australia would be happy to have an 'R' rating for computer games.</p><p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael\_Atkinson" title="wikipedia.org">This guy (Michael Atkinson)</a> [wikipedia.org], however would not. He has the power to veto it and continues to do so.</p><p>Due to his <b>geographical location</b> [<i>emphasis mine</i>], there's bugger all the majority of Australia can do about it from a voting perspective.</p><p>I don't blame game publishers for not releasing stuff here. Effectively we're all just waiting for 'Nanny' Atkinson to become senile and finally leave his post as South Australia's attorney general.</p><p>The thing that really worries me is how come they have this veto power for things like this in the first place....</p></div><p>I really don't understand why we've hung on to this ridiculously outdated notion of political power being assigned hierarchically by physical location. I have little in common with my neighbors, let alone people a mere suburb away, but I have the same political interests as other people in my field of employment literally thousands of kilometers away in Perth.</p><p>Take a look at the insane degree to which Americans have taken <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering" title="wikipedia.org">Gerrymandering</a> [wikipedia.org] - formerly simple voting territories have been made almost fractal in outline! It's a bad, half-baked solution to concentrating voter power among like-minded people, to get a representative in to government, where otherwise the votes would be too diluted within a territory.</p><p>This is like a sick person self-medicating. It's not the proper solution.</p><p>I say, <i>eliminate</i> territory based voting, and simply have a fixed number of representatives voted in. Order the politicians by votes received, and the 'top n' get a seat. We can keep all the other elements of voting that have worked so well in Australia, like proper secret paper-based ballots, preferential voting, political parties, etc... but get rid of this insanity that somehow we're all rich landowners holding onto a feudal system of power that has nothing to do with modern life.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Quick explanation : Pretty much most of Australia would be happy to have an 'R ' rating for computer games .
This guy ( Michael Atkinson ) [ wikipedia.org ] , however would not .
He has the power to veto it and continues to do so.Due to his geographical location [ emphasis mine ] , there 's bugger all the majority of Australia can do about it from a voting perspective.I do n't blame game publishers for not releasing stuff here .
Effectively we 're all just waiting for 'Nanny ' Atkinson to become senile and finally leave his post as South Australia 's attorney general.The thing that really worries me is how come they have this veto power for things like this in the first place....I really do n't understand why we 've hung on to this ridiculously outdated notion of political power being assigned hierarchically by physical location .
I have little in common with my neighbors , let alone people a mere suburb away , but I have the same political interests as other people in my field of employment literally thousands of kilometers away in Perth.Take a look at the insane degree to which Americans have taken Gerrymandering [ wikipedia.org ] - formerly simple voting territories have been made almost fractal in outline !
It 's a bad , half-baked solution to concentrating voter power among like-minded people , to get a representative in to government , where otherwise the votes would be too diluted within a territory.This is like a sick person self-medicating .
It 's not the proper solution.I say , eliminate territory based voting , and simply have a fixed number of representatives voted in .
Order the politicians by votes received , and the 'top n ' get a seat .
We can keep all the other elements of voting that have worked so well in Australia , like proper secret paper-based ballots , preferential voting , political parties , etc... but get rid of this insanity that somehow we 're all rich landowners holding onto a feudal system of power that has nothing to do with modern life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quick explanation: Pretty much most of Australia would be happy to have an 'R' rating for computer games.
This guy (Michael Atkinson) [wikipedia.org], however would not.
He has the power to veto it and continues to do so.Due to his geographical location [emphasis mine], there's bugger all the majority of Australia can do about it from a voting perspective.I don't blame game publishers for not releasing stuff here.
Effectively we're all just waiting for 'Nanny' Atkinson to become senile and finally leave his post as South Australia's attorney general.The thing that really worries me is how come they have this veto power for things like this in the first place....I really don't understand why we've hung on to this ridiculously outdated notion of political power being assigned hierarchically by physical location.
I have little in common with my neighbors, let alone people a mere suburb away, but I have the same political interests as other people in my field of employment literally thousands of kilometers away in Perth.Take a look at the insane degree to which Americans have taken Gerrymandering [wikipedia.org] - formerly simple voting territories have been made almost fractal in outline!
It's a bad, half-baked solution to concentrating voter power among like-minded people, to get a representative in to government, where otherwise the votes would be too diluted within a territory.This is like a sick person self-medicating.
It's not the proper solution.I say, eliminate territory based voting, and simply have a fixed number of representatives voted in.
Order the politicians by votes received, and the 'top n' get a seat.
We can keep all the other elements of voting that have worked so well in Australia, like proper secret paper-based ballots, preferential voting, political parties, etc... but get rid of this insanity that somehow we're all rich landowners holding onto a feudal system of power that has nothing to do with modern life.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30334450</id>
	<title>Re:Bad Parenting</title>
	<author>TheVelvetFlamebait</author>
	<datestamp>1260023160000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>People don't like to accept that fact that it is their own fault for how their kids grow up.</p></div></blockquote><p>Libertarians like to think this "fact" is true, since it fits in neatly in their world view. Why have censorship, when we can blame everything on the parents? It's certainly better than admitting even the slightest positive effect of censorship in certain situations. It's also convenient to defend because, no matter how well a parent can parent, there will always be some way that, in hindsight, their parenting could be improved.</p><p>It's one of those facts of life that kids get out and about, and there will be (many) facets of a child's life that a parent can neither monitor nor control. Of course, this is the parent's fault, for not trying hard enough to be involved in the kid's life. Or, if the kid is rebelling against the parent's overbearing nature, then it's the parent's fault for overdoing it.</p><p>Now, there's no excuse to ban a game, when you can just relegate it to adults, but this scapegoating of parents really sickens me. If a legitimate cause for censorship upsets your ideal world, well, that's too fucking bad.</p></div>
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<tokenext>People do n't like to accept that fact that it is their own fault for how their kids grow up.Libertarians like to think this " fact " is true , since it fits in neatly in their world view .
Why have censorship , when we can blame everything on the parents ?
It 's certainly better than admitting even the slightest positive effect of censorship in certain situations .
It 's also convenient to defend because , no matter how well a parent can parent , there will always be some way that , in hindsight , their parenting could be improved.It 's one of those facts of life that kids get out and about , and there will be ( many ) facets of a child 's life that a parent can neither monitor nor control .
Of course , this is the parent 's fault , for not trying hard enough to be involved in the kid 's life .
Or , if the kid is rebelling against the parent 's overbearing nature , then it 's the parent 's fault for overdoing it.Now , there 's no excuse to ban a game , when you can just relegate it to adults , but this scapegoating of parents really sickens me .
If a legitimate cause for censorship upsets your ideal world , well , that 's too fucking bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People don't like to accept that fact that it is their own fault for how their kids grow up.Libertarians like to think this "fact" is true, since it fits in neatly in their world view.
Why have censorship, when we can blame everything on the parents?
It's certainly better than admitting even the slightest positive effect of censorship in certain situations.
It's also convenient to defend because, no matter how well a parent can parent, there will always be some way that, in hindsight, their parenting could be improved.It's one of those facts of life that kids get out and about, and there will be (many) facets of a child's life that a parent can neither monitor nor control.
Of course, this is the parent's fault, for not trying hard enough to be involved in the kid's life.
Or, if the kid is rebelling against the parent's overbearing nature, then it's the parent's fault for overdoing it.Now, there's no excuse to ban a game, when you can just relegate it to adults, but this scapegoating of parents really sickens me.
If a legitimate cause for censorship upsets your ideal world, well, that's too fucking bad.
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	<title>This is an interesting approach</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260007320000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I am sure that Australians that wanted to purchase and play this game, in Australia, will be disappointed, but I am very interested in seeing where this goes.  If I were running a business internationally and a country put up artificial obstacles, I would cut ties immediately.  It is issues like this that pushes the prices of all types of good higher and higher.  There are too many different requirements from country to country and nanny states like Australia makes it all worse.

Hell, I had to purchase a friend a copy of L4D2(I am in the USA, he is in Australia) so that he could play the games as it was meant to be played.  Now, he has purchased two copies of the same game, which is beyond ridiculous.  Perhaps, if more game studios refuse to playing by Australia's nonsense rules, there will be quick change to their rating standards.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am sure that Australians that wanted to purchase and play this game , in Australia , will be disappointed , but I am very interested in seeing where this goes .
If I were running a business internationally and a country put up artificial obstacles , I would cut ties immediately .
It is issues like this that pushes the prices of all types of good higher and higher .
There are too many different requirements from country to country and nanny states like Australia makes it all worse .
Hell , I had to purchase a friend a copy of L4D2 ( I am in the USA , he is in Australia ) so that he could play the games as it was meant to be played .
Now , he has purchased two copies of the same game , which is beyond ridiculous .
Perhaps , if more game studios refuse to playing by Australia 's nonsense rules , there will be quick change to their rating standards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am sure that Australians that wanted to purchase and play this game, in Australia, will be disappointed, but I am very interested in seeing where this goes.
If I were running a business internationally and a country put up artificial obstacles, I would cut ties immediately.
It is issues like this that pushes the prices of all types of good higher and higher.
There are too many different requirements from country to country and nanny states like Australia makes it all worse.
Hell, I had to purchase a friend a copy of L4D2(I am in the USA, he is in Australia) so that he could play the games as it was meant to be played.
Now, he has purchased two copies of the same game, which is beyond ridiculous.
Perhaps, if more game studios refuse to playing by Australia's nonsense rules, there will be quick change to their rating standards.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Yes, there's a debate going on.</title>
	<author>cavebison</author>
	<datestamp>1260034920000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Before you all start pissing on Oz, saying we're all children, can't think for ourselves, etc.. oh, too late, fancy that. All I can say is, coming from 10 years of having your (US) gov't lie to your face and take you to war, those comments are a bit rich.  This is just a computer game.  When was your last "armed revolution", huh?  Now shut the hell up about my country. Trot over to your precious WalMart, buy a broom and go sweep.</p><p>Now that's out of the way, here's some of the debate going on right now about this very issue. Yes, we're not happy having things banned for us, and it won't last. The problem is there's *no* "R" rating for games. None. As soon as we get an R rating into the system, there will be no need for a ban.</p><p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/13/2742345.htm" title="abc.net.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/13/2742345.htm</a> [abc.net.au]<br><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/rn/nationalinterest/stories/2009/2749224.htm" title="abc.net.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/rn/nationalinterest/stories/2009/2749224.htm</a> [abc.net.au]</p><p>A petition was handed to Mr Atkinson months ago.. so much for petitions I guess.<br><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/03/25/2526244.htm" title="abc.net.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/03/25/2526244.htm</a> [abc.net.au]</p><p>The problem is not with "Australians", or our culture, so get out of our face with that. It's idiots in high places thinking they know what's best for everyone and try to make their personal little mark on history. Every country has them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Before you all start pissing on Oz , saying we 're all children , ca n't think for ourselves , etc.. oh , too late , fancy that .
All I can say is , coming from 10 years of having your ( US ) gov't lie to your face and take you to war , those comments are a bit rich .
This is just a computer game .
When was your last " armed revolution " , huh ?
Now shut the hell up about my country .
Trot over to your precious WalMart , buy a broom and go sweep.Now that 's out of the way , here 's some of the debate going on right now about this very issue .
Yes , we 're not happy having things banned for us , and it wo n't last .
The problem is there 's * no * " R " rating for games .
None. As soon as we get an R rating into the system , there will be no need for a ban.http : //www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/13/2742345.htm [ abc.net.au ] http : //www.abc.net.au/rn/nationalinterest/stories/2009/2749224.htm [ abc.net.au ] A petition was handed to Mr Atkinson months ago.. so much for petitions I guess.http : //www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/03/25/2526244.htm [ abc.net.au ] The problem is not with " Australians " , or our culture , so get out of our face with that .
It 's idiots in high places thinking they know what 's best for everyone and try to make their personal little mark on history .
Every country has them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Before you all start pissing on Oz, saying we're all children, can't think for ourselves, etc.. oh, too late, fancy that.
All I can say is, coming from 10 years of having your (US) gov't lie to your face and take you to war, those comments are a bit rich.
This is just a computer game.
When was your last "armed revolution", huh?
Now shut the hell up about my country.
Trot over to your precious WalMart, buy a broom and go sweep.Now that's out of the way, here's some of the debate going on right now about this very issue.
Yes, we're not happy having things banned for us, and it won't last.
The problem is there's *no* "R" rating for games.
None. As soon as we get an R rating into the system, there will be no need for a ban.http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/13/2742345.htm [abc.net.au]http://www.abc.net.au/rn/nationalinterest/stories/2009/2749224.htm [abc.net.au]A petition was handed to Mr Atkinson months ago.. so much for petitions I guess.http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/03/25/2526244.htm [abc.net.au]The problem is not with "Australians", or our culture, so get out of our face with that.
It's idiots in high places thinking they know what's best for everyone and try to make their personal little mark on history.
Every country has them.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Good to see game developers put their foot down</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260043680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Setting up Ebay account to resell the game to you Aussie's in 3...2...1...  ($10 US markup, of course.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Setting up Ebay account to resell the game to you Aussie 's in 3...2...1... ( $ 10 US markup , of course .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Setting up Ebay account to resell the game to you Aussie's in 3...2...1...  ($10 US markup, of course.
)</sentencetext>
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	<title>Downloads</title>
	<author>Epenii</author>
	<datestamp>1260192420000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Sure they can regulate store sales in Australia. But there is no way they can really regulate download sales from places like Steam.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure they can regulate store sales in Australia .
But there is no way they can really regulate download sales from places like Steam .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure they can regulate store sales in Australia.
But there is no way they can really regulate download sales from places like Steam.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30333824</id>
	<title>Mass shootings and attitude on war tell the story</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260011880000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I know it might come as shock to some here but Australia doesn't want to be like America!. Most Australians dont see being able to own a gun as "freedom" and despite participating in Iraq Australians generally have a different attitude to war. I dont completely agree with the game censorship, but we need to draw the line somewhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know it might come as shock to some here but Australia does n't want to be like America ! .
Most Australians dont see being able to own a gun as " freedom " and despite participating in Iraq Australians generally have a different attitude to war .
I dont completely agree with the game censorship , but we need to draw the line somewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know it might come as shock to some here but Australia doesn't want to be like America!.
Most Australians dont see being able to own a gun as "freedom" and despite participating in Iraq Australians generally have a different attitude to war.
I dont completely agree with the game censorship, but we need to draw the line somewhere.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0535251.30333886</id>
	<title>Re:As an Australian Resident,,,</title>
	<author>Barny</author>
	<datestamp>1260012600000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Would not a better way be to allow the 18+ designation but say, increase the fines for game stores selling high rated games to those too young to play them, hrmm, about 2000\% higher?</p><p>This would help curb the flagrant disregard most games stores have for such ratings at least (particularly if the new funds were used to cover more under-cover checks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would not a better way be to allow the 18 + designation but say , increase the fines for game stores selling high rated games to those too young to play them , hrmm , about 2000 \ % higher ? This would help curb the flagrant disregard most games stores have for such ratings at least ( particularly if the new funds were used to cover more under-cover checks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would not a better way be to allow the 18+ designation but say, increase the fines for game stores selling high rated games to those too young to play them, hrmm, about 2000\% higher?This would help curb the flagrant disregard most games stores have for such ratings at least (particularly if the new funds were used to cover more under-cover checks.</sentencetext>
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