<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_05_0158225</id>
	<title>SETI@home Project Responds To School Firing</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1260025440000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>SETIGuy writes <i>"SETI@home Project Scientist Eric Korpela has <a href="http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum\_thread.php?id=56450&amp;sort=6">responded to many of the allegations</a> made by Higley Unified School District administrator Denise Birdwell regarding the difficulties caused by the installation of SETI@home, which led to the recent <a href="http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/12/02/2029202/SETIHome-Install-Leads-To-School-Tech-Supervisors-Resignation">firing of the school's technology supervisor</a>. One of the project's founders, David Gedye, <a href="http://www.pcworld.com/article/183744/uproar\_over\_et\_hunter\_misplaced\_setihome\_founder\_says.html">takes issue with Dr. Birdwell's claim</a> that 'an educational institution ... cannot support the search for E.T.' Meanwhile, the fired supervisor <a href="http://www.azcentral.com/community/gilbert/articles/2009/12/03/20091203alienchaser1204.html">denies misusing school computers</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>SETIGuy writes " SETI @ home Project Scientist Eric Korpela has responded to many of the allegations made by Higley Unified School District administrator Denise Birdwell regarding the difficulties caused by the installation of SETI @ home , which led to the recent firing of the school 's technology supervisor .
One of the project 's founders , David Gedye , takes issue with Dr. Birdwell 's claim that 'an educational institution ... can not support the search for E.T .
' Meanwhile , the fired supervisor denies misusing school computers .
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<sentencetext>SETIGuy writes "SETI@home Project Scientist Eric Korpela has responded to many of the allegations made by Higley Unified School District administrator Denise Birdwell regarding the difficulties caused by the installation of SETI@home, which led to the recent firing of the school's technology supervisor.
One of the project's founders, David Gedye, takes issue with Dr. Birdwell's claim that 'an educational institution ... cannot support the search for E.T.
' Meanwhile, the fired supervisor denies misusing school computers.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30333046</id>
	<title>Re:If it cost money for the institution they shoul</title>
	<author>Alpha830RulZ</author>
	<datestamp>1259953800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Writing off" an expense is only a relevant concept if you are a tax paying institution, which public schools are not.  The extra electricity for this is a pure out of pocket expense for the school, however minor.</p><p>On my computer, which idles at 130 watts, running seti@home increases power draw to ~180 watts, according to the lil kill-a-watt meter I got from Think Geek.  I have a quad core intel 9450 ( i think).  I can't imagine the school computers are going to be any worse than that.  So, 50 watts an hour, say 20 hours a day, =~ 1 kW/day.  I don't know what arizona power rates are, lets assume 12 cents/kWh.  That means this would cost around $43/year.  If he installed to a couple of thousand computers, that's real money.</p><p>It would be interesting to know what proportion of the power bill we are discussing here.  This could be a rounding error in comparison to the AC bills.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Writing off " an expense is only a relevant concept if you are a tax paying institution , which public schools are not .
The extra electricity for this is a pure out of pocket expense for the school , however minor.On my computer , which idles at 130 watts , running seti @ home increases power draw to ~ 180 watts , according to the lil kill-a-watt meter I got from Think Geek .
I have a quad core intel 9450 ( i think ) .
I ca n't imagine the school computers are going to be any worse than that .
So , 50 watts an hour , say 20 hours a day , = ~ 1 kW/day .
I do n't know what arizona power rates are , lets assume 12 cents/kWh .
That means this would cost around $ 43/year .
If he installed to a couple of thousand computers , that 's real money.It would be interesting to know what proportion of the power bill we are discussing here .
This could be a rounding error in comparison to the AC bills .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Writing off" an expense is only a relevant concept if you are a tax paying institution, which public schools are not.
The extra electricity for this is a pure out of pocket expense for the school, however minor.On my computer, which idles at 130 watts, running seti@home increases power draw to ~180 watts, according to the lil kill-a-watt meter I got from Think Geek.
I have a quad core intel 9450 ( i think).
I can't imagine the school computers are going to be any worse than that.
So, 50 watts an hour, say 20 hours a day, =~ 1 kW/day.
I don't know what arizona power rates are, lets assume 12 cents/kWh.
That means this would cost around $43/year.
If he installed to a couple of thousand computers, that's real money.It would be interesting to know what proportion of the power bill we are discussing here.
This could be a rounding error in comparison to the AC bills.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30335276</id>
	<title>Re:Ignorance in the comments from the Superintende</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260031380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your wife should also teach you proper grammar and spelling. Ridicules is not the same as ridiculous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your wife should also teach you proper grammar and spelling .
Ridicules is not the same as ridiculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your wife should also teach you proper grammar and spelling.
Ridicules is not the same as ridiculous.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30340816</id>
	<title>Re:Devil's advocate - Public reaction</title>
	<author>ctmurray</author>
	<datestamp>1260030480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No one has yet mentioned a motivation to fire the guy by the district is the public reaction to all of this. If they don't fire the guy the tax paying public would go nuclear with the board. And bad karma between your taxpayers and your school district is really hard to turn around, it can take years. Meantime any levies you need will be significantly harder or impossible to pass.<br> <br>
In our district we could not pass levies because of ill will from a levy more than 20 years prior. At that time the public was "promised" that a new Sr. High School would not be required and that a second floor could be added to the existing Sr. High if needed (structurally this was actually not possible). I moved in after this event, and no one can show me documentation that his promise was made. Needless to say the district grew in 15 years and they ended up building a new Sr. High (the old Sr. High was turned into a Jr. High School as they needed this capacity as well so it was not wasted). <br> <br>
So a PR fiasco about this SETI issue would be bad enough that this was going on with no educational values (as no one was "teaching" from this expense), it would double the negative effect if you did not fire the person.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No one has yet mentioned a motivation to fire the guy by the district is the public reaction to all of this .
If they do n't fire the guy the tax paying public would go nuclear with the board .
And bad karma between your taxpayers and your school district is really hard to turn around , it can take years .
Meantime any levies you need will be significantly harder or impossible to pass .
In our district we could not pass levies because of ill will from a levy more than 20 years prior .
At that time the public was " promised " that a new Sr. High School would not be required and that a second floor could be added to the existing Sr. High if needed ( structurally this was actually not possible ) .
I moved in after this event , and no one can show me documentation that his promise was made .
Needless to say the district grew in 15 years and they ended up building a new Sr. High ( the old Sr. High was turned into a Jr. High School as they needed this capacity as well so it was not wasted ) .
So a PR fiasco about this SETI issue would be bad enough that this was going on with no educational values ( as no one was " teaching " from this expense ) , it would double the negative effect if you did not fire the person .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one has yet mentioned a motivation to fire the guy by the district is the public reaction to all of this.
If they don't fire the guy the tax paying public would go nuclear with the board.
And bad karma between your taxpayers and your school district is really hard to turn around, it can take years.
Meantime any levies you need will be significantly harder or impossible to pass.
In our district we could not pass levies because of ill will from a levy more than 20 years prior.
At that time the public was "promised" that a new Sr. High School would not be required and that a second floor could be added to the existing Sr. High if needed (structurally this was actually not possible).
I moved in after this event, and no one can show me documentation that his promise was made.
Needless to say the district grew in 15 years and they ended up building a new Sr. High (the old Sr. High was turned into a Jr. High School as they needed this capacity as well so it was not wasted).
So a PR fiasco about this SETI issue would be bad enough that this was going on with no educational values (as no one was "teaching" from this expense), it would double the negative effect if you did not fire the person.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30333536</id>
	<title>Re:Ignorance in the comments from the Superintende</title>
	<author>techno-vampire</author>
	<datestamp>1260006540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Why don't you go become a fucking teacher </i> <p>
I'd love to, but none of the schools around here have courses in fucking for me to teach.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do n't you go become a fucking teacher I 'd love to , but none of the schools around here have courses in fucking for me to teach .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why don't you go become a fucking teacher  
I'd love to, but none of the schools around here have courses in fucking for me to teach.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30332768</id>
	<title>Re:The thing I always liked about SETI</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259949900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And the first time any administrator champions his school's or school system's use of distributed computing, his boss (school board, taxpayers) will say:</p><p>"Great! Good for us. Now, exactly how much are we spending on this, who is overseeing it, who authorized it, and where are these funds being allocated in the budget?"</p><p>And that administrator will not have any answers because no one authorized it and they're dead-ass broke. Then someone would get fired. They can't afford to spend some unknown amount of money on supporting SETI.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And the first time any administrator champions his school 's or school system 's use of distributed computing , his boss ( school board , taxpayers ) will say : " Great !
Good for us .
Now , exactly how much are we spending on this , who is overseeing it , who authorized it , and where are these funds being allocated in the budget ?
" And that administrator will not have any answers because no one authorized it and they 're dead-ass broke .
Then someone would get fired .
They ca n't afford to spend some unknown amount of money on supporting SETI .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And the first time any administrator champions his school's or school system's use of distributed computing, his boss (school board, taxpayers) will say:"Great!
Good for us.
Now, exactly how much are we spending on this, who is overseeing it, who authorized it, and where are these funds being allocated in the budget?
"And that administrator will not have any answers because no one authorized it and they're dead-ass broke.
Then someone would get fired.
They can't afford to spend some unknown amount of money on supporting SETI.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30332394</id>
	<title>Ignorance and stupidity abound...</title>
	<author>kj\_kabaje</author>
	<datestamp>1259945160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not only does the lady who fired the guy demonstrate how ignorant she is, the reporters demonstrate astounding ignorance too: <a href="http://www.fox5vegas.com/video/21785181/index.html" title="fox5vegas.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.fox5vegas.com/video/21785181/index.html</a> [fox5vegas.com]  <br> <br>How the fsck do people not know about this program or not consider it research?  My wife (not a technically adept person) has run this program for years and in schools, too.  Ask the guy to uninstall it if it costs to much in a recession (he had approval of the previous administration to run it though!). Don't fire him because you're stupid.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only does the lady who fired the guy demonstrate how ignorant she is , the reporters demonstrate astounding ignorance too : http : //www.fox5vegas.com/video/21785181/index.html [ fox5vegas.com ] How the fsck do people not know about this program or not consider it research ?
My wife ( not a technically adept person ) has run this program for years and in schools , too .
Ask the guy to uninstall it if it costs to much in a recession ( he had approval of the previous administration to run it though ! ) .
Do n't fire him because you 're stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only does the lady who fired the guy demonstrate how ignorant she is, the reporters demonstrate astounding ignorance too: http://www.fox5vegas.com/video/21785181/index.html [fox5vegas.com]   How the fsck do people not know about this program or not consider it research?
My wife (not a technically adept person) has run this program for years and in schools, too.
Ask the guy to uninstall it if it costs to much in a recession (he had approval of the previous administration to run it though!).
Don't fire him because you're stupid.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30333184</id>
	<title>Re:Ignorance in the comments from the Superintende</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259956380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>and the ridicules paper work. Pay the fucking teachers.</p></div><p>Maybe if they werent always ridiculing the paperwork...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>and the ridicules paper work .
Pay the fucking teachers.Maybe if they werent always ridiculing the paperwork.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and the ridicules paper work.
Pay the fucking teachers.Maybe if they werent always ridiculing the paperwork...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30333564</id>
	<title>Re:Ignorance in the comments from the Superintende</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260007020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm afraid it's worse than that...the administrators who act as gatekeepers, whether through hiring or certification decisions, have nothing to gain from letting those devoted people into the profession.  I'm a casualty of that myself (hence the AC).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm afraid it 's worse than that...the administrators who act as gatekeepers , whether through hiring or certification decisions , have nothing to gain from letting those devoted people into the profession .
I 'm a casualty of that myself ( hence the AC ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm afraid it's worse than that...the administrators who act as gatekeepers, whether through hiring or certification decisions, have nothing to gain from letting those devoted people into the profession.
I'm a casualty of that myself (hence the AC).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30332196</id>
	<title>Idle computer resources</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259942760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Idle computer resources that are not getting used for anything else are worthless. Might as well fill them up with something, although I'd go with folding@home over SETI@home.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Idle computer resources that are not getting used for anything else are worthless .
Might as well fill them up with something , although I 'd go with folding @ home over SETI @ home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Idle computer resources that are not getting used for anything else are worthless.
Might as well fill them up with something, although I'd go with folding@home over SETI@home.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30332468</id>
	<title>Re:Ignorance in the comments from the Superintende</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259945820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>( Cant be assed to login ) Tbh, They would get better teachers if they paid more.. However this isnt going to happen, So out children will continue to be taught stupid things by stupid people .<br>I worry what is being taught in science, maths etc.. ( Parts that i dont understand nor care about ) however if they get I.T wrong. What other shit are they getting wrong?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( Cant be assed to login ) Tbh , They would get better teachers if they paid more.. However this isnt going to happen , So out children will continue to be taught stupid things by stupid people .I worry what is being taught in science , maths etc.. ( Parts that i dont understand nor care about ) however if they get I.T wrong .
What other shit are they getting wrong ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>( Cant be assed to login ) Tbh, They would get better teachers if they paid more.. However this isnt going to happen, So out children will continue to be taught stupid things by stupid people .I worry what is being taught in science, maths etc.. ( Parts that i dont understand nor care about ) however if they get I.T wrong.
What other shit are they getting wrong?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30334412</id>
	<title>Re:Ignorance in the comments from the Superintende</title>
	<author>guy5000</author>
	<datestamp>1260022320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You forget again that teachers only work for 180 days of the year in New York State, sure the 60hr weeks may not balance out the 180 days of work but it is something to consider. Also consider that teachers receive good benefits like most public employees. Also does the teacher in question have tenure?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You forget again that teachers only work for 180 days of the year in New York State , sure the 60hr weeks may not balance out the 180 days of work but it is something to consider .
Also consider that teachers receive good benefits like most public employees .
Also does the teacher in question have tenure ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You forget again that teachers only work for 180 days of the year in New York State, sure the 60hr weeks may not balance out the 180 days of work but it is something to consider.
Also consider that teachers receive good benefits like most public employees.
Also does the teacher in question have tenure?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30332276</id>
	<title>Ignorance in the comments from the Superintendent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259943660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA: '"Unfortunately it says a lot about people who are theoretically educating our children," said Dave Farber, distinguished career professor of computer science and public policy in the school of computer science at Carnegie Mellon.'</p><p>It seems that the folks who are in charge of education become further and further detached from technological advancement as time goes on. These are the same individuals who are given access to technology for use in the classrooms and barely use it for more than a glorified typewriter. Add to that those who refuse to utilize the technology either out of ignorance (don't know how to use it) or fear (refuse to know how to use it), you have a large number of classrooms with expensive space heaters.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : ' " Unfortunately it says a lot about people who are theoretically educating our children , " said Dave Farber , distinguished career professor of computer science and public policy in the school of computer science at Carnegie Mellon .
'It seems that the folks who are in charge of education become further and further detached from technological advancement as time goes on .
These are the same individuals who are given access to technology for use in the classrooms and barely use it for more than a glorified typewriter .
Add to that those who refuse to utilize the technology either out of ignorance ( do n't know how to use it ) or fear ( refuse to know how to use it ) , you have a large number of classrooms with expensive space heaters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA: '"Unfortunately it says a lot about people who are theoretically educating our children," said Dave Farber, distinguished career professor of computer science and public policy in the school of computer science at Carnegie Mellon.
'It seems that the folks who are in charge of education become further and further detached from technological advancement as time goes on.
These are the same individuals who are given access to technology for use in the classrooms and barely use it for more than a glorified typewriter.
Add to that those who refuse to utilize the technology either out of ignorance (don't know how to use it) or fear (refuse to know how to use it), you have a large number of classrooms with expensive space heaters.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30332690</id>
	<title>Devil's advocate</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259948760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think SETI@home is great and all, but it sounds like the school board didn't authorize this person to install the software on the machines in question. Whatever the pros and cons are in the abstract, he shouldn't have unilaterally decided to do this. It <b>does</b> cost money to run CPUs at 100\% (the SETI@home FAQ estimates over $60 a year) and if there were thousands of machines running it, as there apparently were, that's hundreds of thousands of dollars in the long run. Maybe the school district wants to spend its money on that, but it should be decided by the board, not by one employee.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think SETI @ home is great and all , but it sounds like the school board did n't authorize this person to install the software on the machines in question .
Whatever the pros and cons are in the abstract , he should n't have unilaterally decided to do this .
It does cost money to run CPUs at 100 \ % ( the SETI @ home FAQ estimates over $ 60 a year ) and if there were thousands of machines running it , as there apparently were , that 's hundreds of thousands of dollars in the long run .
Maybe the school district wants to spend its money on that , but it should be decided by the board , not by one employee .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think SETI@home is great and all, but it sounds like the school board didn't authorize this person to install the software on the machines in question.
Whatever the pros and cons are in the abstract, he shouldn't have unilaterally decided to do this.
It does cost money to run CPUs at 100\% (the SETI@home FAQ estimates over $60 a year) and if there were thousands of machines running it, as there apparently were, that's hundreds of thousands of dollars in the long run.
Maybe the school district wants to spend its money on that, but it should be decided by the board, not by one employee.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30332752</id>
	<title>If it cost money for the institution they should b</title>
	<author>Dr. Knowfun</author>
	<datestamp>1259949660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If it cost money for the institution they should be able to write off the cost as a donation to SETI@home.

Just sayin, if its about money the SETI@home guys could make the offer and make this a win/win instead of more of the usual zero sum game we usually see.



Dr. Knowfun
"The hardest thing of all is to find a black cat in a dark room, especially if there is no cat."   --Confucius</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it cost money for the institution they should be able to write off the cost as a donation to SETI @ home .
Just sayin , if its about money the SETI @ home guys could make the offer and make this a win/win instead of more of the usual zero sum game we usually see .
Dr. Knowfun " The hardest thing of all is to find a black cat in a dark room , especially if there is no cat .
" --Confucius</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it cost money for the institution they should be able to write off the cost as a donation to SETI@home.
Just sayin, if its about money the SETI@home guys could make the offer and make this a win/win instead of more of the usual zero sum game we usually see.
Dr. Knowfun
"The hardest thing of all is to find a black cat in a dark room, especially if there is no cat.
"   --Confucius</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30332326</id>
	<title>where does water comer from?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259944320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>cloud computing fails to win.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>cloud computing fails to win .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>cloud computing fails to win.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30333426</id>
	<title>Re:Ignorance in the comments from the Superintende</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260003960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe she could spend some time teaching you spelling and grammar?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe she could spend some time teaching you spelling and grammar ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe she could spend some time teaching you spelling and grammar?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30336250</id>
	<title>Re:Ignorance in the comments from the Superintende</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260037800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't believe that 60 hour estimate. Neither should you. Maybe she is spending time with another fucking teacher.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't believe that 60 hour estimate .
Neither should you .
Maybe she is spending time with another fucking teacher .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't believe that 60 hour estimate.
Neither should you.
Maybe she is spending time with another fucking teacher.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30334550</id>
	<title>Re:Turning a bad thing into a good thing...</title>
	<author>mok000</author>
	<datestamp>1260024780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree. The school could have spun it around and used this to promote science teaching. There's a great deal of interesting science in the SETI project, (although I don't believe they will ever find an signals from distant civilizations.) "Our school is searching for E.T.!" The kids would have loved that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
The school could have spun it around and used this to promote science teaching .
There 's a great deal of interesting science in the SETI project , ( although I do n't believe they will ever find an signals from distant civilizations .
) " Our school is searching for E.T. !
" The kids would have loved that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
The school could have spun it around and used this to promote science teaching.
There's a great deal of interesting science in the SETI project, (although I don't believe they will ever find an signals from distant civilizations.
) "Our school is searching for E.T.!
" The kids would have loved that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30335764</id>
	<title>Re:Ignorance in the comments from the Superintende</title>
	<author>celle</author>
	<datestamp>1260034980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>35K??  I made under 35K doing technical work on airplanes and people could die if I make a mistake. If you think 35K is low for teaching my sister made about 25k as a teacher in Nebraska under worse conditions and after nearly a decade at it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>35K ? ?
I made under 35K doing technical work on airplanes and people could die if I make a mistake .
If you think 35K is low for teaching my sister made about 25k as a teacher in Nebraska under worse conditions and after nearly a decade at it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>35K??
I made under 35K doing technical work on airplanes and people could die if I make a mistake.
If you think 35K is low for teaching my sister made about 25k as a teacher in Nebraska under worse conditions and after nearly a decade at it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30332222</id>
	<title>Re:Idle computer resources</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259943120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Idle computer resources nowadays use less power.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Idle computer resources nowadays use less power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Idle computer resources nowadays use less power.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30333430</id>
	<title>Re:Ignorance in the comments from the Superintende</title>
	<author>defaria</author>
	<datestamp>1260004080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Why don't you go become a fucking teacher and take care of 20 to 30 children with little to no help from anyone for less than what you could make at Wendy's flipping burgers</p></div></blockquote><p>

Wouldn't that be the definition of somebody who either isn't that bright or who is bad in math? Spare me the "she does it because she loves it" crap. If that were truly the case then just STFU and enjoy that which you say you enjoy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do n't you go become a fucking teacher and take care of 20 to 30 children with little to no help from anyone for less than what you could make at Wendy 's flipping burgers Would n't that be the definition of somebody who either is n't that bright or who is bad in math ?
Spare me the " she does it because she loves it " crap .
If that were truly the case then just STFU and enjoy that which you say you enjoy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why don't you go become a fucking teacher and take care of 20 to 30 children with little to no help from anyone for less than what you could make at Wendy's flipping burgers

Wouldn't that be the definition of somebody who either isn't that bright or who is bad in math?
Spare me the "she does it because she loves it" crap.
If that were truly the case then just STFU and enjoy that which you say you enjoy.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30332904</id>
	<title>Re:Ignorance in the comments from the Superintende</title>
	<author>ae1294</author>
	<datestamp>1259951400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This sad truth will continue to occur until intelligent, capable people begin to devote their lives toward the education of our children. Unless that happens, the majority of our public educators will forever be the people who couldn't pass math because they weren't able to figure out their calculator.</p></div><p>Bullshit, my wife is a teacher here in NC. Been teaching for 7 years now and she makes under 35k a year and spends 60+ hours a week at school. She loves teaching but has had to go back to graduate school in order to escape the bullshit pay, no planing period, no assistant and the ridicules paper work. Why don't you go become a fucking teacher and take care of 20 to 30 children with little to no help from anyone for less than what you could make at Wendy's flipping burgers...</p><p>You want good teachers? Fucking pay them. Not the text book companies or all the other leeches.. Pay the fucking teachers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This sad truth will continue to occur until intelligent , capable people begin to devote their lives toward the education of our children .
Unless that happens , the majority of our public educators will forever be the people who could n't pass math because they were n't able to figure out their calculator.Bullshit , my wife is a teacher here in NC .
Been teaching for 7 years now and she makes under 35k a year and spends 60 + hours a week at school .
She loves teaching but has had to go back to graduate school in order to escape the bullshit pay , no planing period , no assistant and the ridicules paper work .
Why do n't you go become a fucking teacher and take care of 20 to 30 children with little to no help from anyone for less than what you could make at Wendy 's flipping burgers...You want good teachers ?
Fucking pay them .
Not the text book companies or all the other leeches.. Pay the fucking teachers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sad truth will continue to occur until intelligent, capable people begin to devote their lives toward the education of our children.
Unless that happens, the majority of our public educators will forever be the people who couldn't pass math because they weren't able to figure out their calculator.Bullshit, my wife is a teacher here in NC.
Been teaching for 7 years now and she makes under 35k a year and spends 60+ hours a week at school.
She loves teaching but has had to go back to graduate school in order to escape the bullshit pay, no planing period, no assistant and the ridicules paper work.
Why don't you go become a fucking teacher and take care of 20 to 30 children with little to no help from anyone for less than what you could make at Wendy's flipping burgers...You want good teachers?
Fucking pay them.
Not the text book companies or all the other leeches.. Pay the fucking teachers.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30335366</id>
	<title>Re:Ignorance in the comments from the Superintende</title>
	<author>briareus</author>
	<datestamp>1260032340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Knee jerk much?  The response you're attacking is correct.  It stands to follow that intelligent, capable people demand better compensation.  Nowhere in the comment you're attacking was the statement that such people needed to selfessly give themselves away to the school districts.  We clearly do need better educators if people can't read and comprehend stuff online and resort to assuming that random statements are made when they clearly are not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Knee jerk much ?
The response you 're attacking is correct .
It stands to follow that intelligent , capable people demand better compensation .
Nowhere in the comment you 're attacking was the statement that such people needed to selfessly give themselves away to the school districts .
We clearly do need better educators if people ca n't read and comprehend stuff online and resort to assuming that random statements are made when they clearly are not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Knee jerk much?
The response you're attacking is correct.
It stands to follow that intelligent, capable people demand better compensation.
Nowhere in the comment you're attacking was the statement that such people needed to selfessly give themselves away to the school districts.
We clearly do need better educators if people can't read and comprehend stuff online and resort to assuming that random statements are made when they clearly are not.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30335172</id>
	<title>You want good teachers? Fucking pay them.</title>
	<author>doug141</author>
	<datestamp>1260030480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know what you intended to say is "pay my wife more for the teaching she does." What I heard was "Offer teachers more and you can find a better teacher to replace my wife."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know what you intended to say is " pay my wife more for the teaching she does .
" What I heard was " Offer teachers more and you can find a better teacher to replace my wife .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know what you intended to say is "pay my wife more for the teaching she does.
" What I heard was "Offer teachers more and you can find a better teacher to replace my wife.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30333478</id>
	<title>Re:Ignorance in the comments from the Superintende</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260005220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or maybe public school in America isn't really about education, in most places.</p><p>How about we break up the family by pressuring the mother in to working outside the home, either by putting an extreme tax the husband's wages, or showering her with propaganda which implies a woman's traditional role in the home is some form of vile repression -- chains from which she must liberate herself.</p><p>With mother and father out of the way, working long hours, we can send the children to a state institution where they will be "educated".  While they will receive perfunctory instruction in reading and writing, the primary sociological function of this institution is to indoctrinate the children with the state's version of history, to teach them obedience to authority, and to condition them to view agents of the state as authority figures.  Ideally the child will come to view the state as a kind of surrogate parent, since they will likely spend more time in our institution than they will with their parents.</p><p>"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or maybe public school in America is n't really about education , in most places.How about we break up the family by pressuring the mother in to working outside the home , either by putting an extreme tax the husband 's wages , or showering her with propaganda which implies a woman 's traditional role in the home is some form of vile repression -- chains from which she must liberate herself.With mother and father out of the way , working long hours , we can send the children to a state institution where they will be " educated " .
While they will receive perfunctory instruction in reading and writing , the primary sociological function of this institution is to indoctrinate the children with the state 's version of history , to teach them obedience to authority , and to condition them to view agents of the state as authority figures .
Ideally the child will come to view the state as a kind of surrogate parent , since they will likely spend more time in our institution than they will with their parents .
" The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did n't exist .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or maybe public school in America isn't really about education, in most places.How about we break up the family by pressuring the mother in to working outside the home, either by putting an extreme tax the husband's wages, or showering her with propaganda which implies a woman's traditional role in the home is some form of vile repression -- chains from which she must liberate herself.With mother and father out of the way, working long hours, we can send the children to a state institution where they will be "educated".
While they will receive perfunctory instruction in reading and writing, the primary sociological function of this institution is to indoctrinate the children with the state's version of history, to teach them obedience to authority, and to condition them to view agents of the state as authority figures.
Ideally the child will come to view the state as a kind of surrogate parent, since they will likely spend more time in our institution than they will with their parents.
"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30334320</id>
	<title>Re:Ignorance in the comments from the Superintende</title>
	<author>JoeMerchant</author>
	<datestamp>1260020400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Pay the fucking teachers.</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.hottforteacher.com/" title="hottforteacher.com">Obligatory</a> [hottforteacher.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pay the fucking teachers .
Obligatory [ hottforteacher.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pay the fucking teachers.
Obligatory [hottforteacher.com]
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30335592</id>
	<title>Re:Ignorance in the comments from the Superintende</title>
	<author>Taxman415a</author>
	<datestamp>1260034020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your wife is one of the relatively few highly dedicated teachers. Most teachers don't put in that much extra time simply because they don't have to, or don't know what to do with their time to become better teachers. One of the problems is that the teacher that clocks in when school starts and leaves as soon as it ends gets paid the same as your wife. Until teachers have the proper incentives to be good teachers and be truly professional about their jobs, the opinion of the profession and the pay will not improve.<br> <br>
The other problem is that almost universally, teachers get paid more only by having more experience. So your wife is probably a new teacher. An experienced teacher can easily make well over twice that much money and not put in that much time. So many teachers are over paid.<br> <br>
The answer is pay for performance and proper incentives, but that is extremely difficult to do well and not have it turn into a system that distorts learning rather than supports it or one where the administrator's or union president's friends are the only one's that get the bonuses. Because of these issues and the unions not wanting to give up power, pay for performance will likely not get implemented any time soon, even though there are answers for the issues.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your wife is one of the relatively few highly dedicated teachers .
Most teachers do n't put in that much extra time simply because they do n't have to , or do n't know what to do with their time to become better teachers .
One of the problems is that the teacher that clocks in when school starts and leaves as soon as it ends gets paid the same as your wife .
Until teachers have the proper incentives to be good teachers and be truly professional about their jobs , the opinion of the profession and the pay will not improve .
The other problem is that almost universally , teachers get paid more only by having more experience .
So your wife is probably a new teacher .
An experienced teacher can easily make well over twice that much money and not put in that much time .
So many teachers are over paid .
The answer is pay for performance and proper incentives , but that is extremely difficult to do well and not have it turn into a system that distorts learning rather than supports it or one where the administrator 's or union president 's friends are the only one 's that get the bonuses .
Because of these issues and the unions not wanting to give up power , pay for performance will likely not get implemented any time soon , even though there are answers for the issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your wife is one of the relatively few highly dedicated teachers.
Most teachers don't put in that much extra time simply because they don't have to, or don't know what to do with their time to become better teachers.
One of the problems is that the teacher that clocks in when school starts and leaves as soon as it ends gets paid the same as your wife.
Until teachers have the proper incentives to be good teachers and be truly professional about their jobs, the opinion of the profession and the pay will not improve.
The other problem is that almost universally, teachers get paid more only by having more experience.
So your wife is probably a new teacher.
An experienced teacher can easily make well over twice that much money and not put in that much time.
So many teachers are over paid.
The answer is pay for performance and proper incentives, but that is extremely difficult to do well and not have it turn into a system that distorts learning rather than supports it or one where the administrator's or union president's friends are the only one's that get the bonuses.
Because of these issues and the unions not wanting to give up power, pay for performance will likely not get implemented any time soon, even though there are answers for the issues.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30332708</id>
	<title>The thing I always liked about SETI</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259948940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It isn't so much the application to find E.T. that astounds me, its the use of a distributed networking.  I don't follow SETI, but I assume the power they have in distributed computing is something like or above a Super Computer.  The students can learn about distributed computing, and maybe be the guy who builds the next big network.  I mean, imagine a commercial system that pays for processing.  So you turn your computer and get paid by the team.  The team in turn gets paid by scientists with very difficult problems and need distributed computing.  <br> <br>
Don't focus on it being "searching for aliens", focus on it being "distributed computing".</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is n't so much the application to find E.T .
that astounds me , its the use of a distributed networking .
I do n't follow SETI , but I assume the power they have in distributed computing is something like or above a Super Computer .
The students can learn about distributed computing , and maybe be the guy who builds the next big network .
I mean , imagine a commercial system that pays for processing .
So you turn your computer and get paid by the team .
The team in turn gets paid by scientists with very difficult problems and need distributed computing .
Do n't focus on it being " searching for aliens " , focus on it being " distributed computing " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It isn't so much the application to find E.T.
that astounds me, its the use of a distributed networking.
I don't follow SETI, but I assume the power they have in distributed computing is something like or above a Super Computer.
The students can learn about distributed computing, and maybe be the guy who builds the next big network.
I mean, imagine a commercial system that pays for processing.
So you turn your computer and get paid by the team.
The team in turn gets paid by scientists with very difficult problems and need distributed computing.
Don't focus on it being "searching for aliens", focus on it being "distributed computing".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30332698</id>
	<title>Re:Ignorance in the comments from the Superintende</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259948880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My school was built for the 1997-1998 school yeah. I attended it from 98-02. We had bran new computers in almost EVERY classroom, complete with 20 port hubs and ethernet cable drops in every classroom</p><p>The only time I touched the computers in my entire 4 years in high school, was for my typing classes, and my 1 engineering class.</p><p>Meanwhile, the English classrooms computers sat there and were vandalized and stolen.</p><p>I got a pair of speakers, thanks to the tax payers in Florida. Thank you, tax payers.</p><p>All of this because some stupid politician said something to the voters about "computers in every classroom" and the voters, like ignorant lapdogs, went along with it. The budget HAD to be huge for that school, and it was all an incredible fraud and waste.</p><p>Hey, least I got some speakers, and my friends got some hubs...at least we put them to use, instead of letting them collect dust in an English/Math/Science classroom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My school was built for the 1997-1998 school yeah .
I attended it from 98-02 .
We had bran new computers in almost EVERY classroom , complete with 20 port hubs and ethernet cable drops in every classroomThe only time I touched the computers in my entire 4 years in high school , was for my typing classes , and my 1 engineering class.Meanwhile , the English classrooms computers sat there and were vandalized and stolen.I got a pair of speakers , thanks to the tax payers in Florida .
Thank you , tax payers.All of this because some stupid politician said something to the voters about " computers in every classroom " and the voters , like ignorant lapdogs , went along with it .
The budget HAD to be huge for that school , and it was all an incredible fraud and waste.Hey , least I got some speakers , and my friends got some hubs...at least we put them to use , instead of letting them collect dust in an English/Math/Science classroom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My school was built for the 1997-1998 school yeah.
I attended it from 98-02.
We had bran new computers in almost EVERY classroom, complete with 20 port hubs and ethernet cable drops in every classroomThe only time I touched the computers in my entire 4 years in high school, was for my typing classes, and my 1 engineering class.Meanwhile, the English classrooms computers sat there and were vandalized and stolen.I got a pair of speakers, thanks to the tax payers in Florida.
Thank you, tax payers.All of this because some stupid politician said something to the voters about "computers in every classroom" and the voters, like ignorant lapdogs, went along with it.
The budget HAD to be huge for that school, and it was all an incredible fraud and waste.Hey, least I got some speakers, and my friends got some hubs...at least we put them to use, instead of letting them collect dust in an English/Math/Science classroom.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Ignorance in the comments from the Superintende</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260022800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>This sad truth will continue to occur until intelligent, capable people begin to devote their lives toward the education of our children. Unless that happens, the majority of our public educators will forever be the people who couldn't pass math because they weren't able to figure out their calculator.</p></div><p>Bullshit, my wife is a teacher here in NC. Been teaching for 7 years now and she makes under 35k a year and spends 60+ hours a week at school. She loves teaching but has had to go back to graduate school in order to escape the bullshit pay, no planing period, no assistant and the ridicules paper work. Why don't you go become a fucking teacher and take care of 20 to 30 children with little to no help from anyone for less than what you could make at Wendy's flipping burgers...</p><p>You want good teachers? Fucking pay them. Not the text book companies or all the other leeches.. Pay the fucking teachers.</p></div><p>Wow, does NC have a super low cost of living?</p><p>Move to NJ</p><p>I work at in a school district and I just pulled it up on http://php.app.com/edstaff/search.php</p><p>The numbers vary depending on subject taught and grade level.</p><p>There is a HS Biology teacher with a BS and 7 years experience making 77k.</p><p>On the lower side there is a health/gym teacher with a BS and 7 years experience making 45k.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This sad truth will continue to occur until intelligent , capable people begin to devote their lives toward the education of our children .
Unless that happens , the majority of our public educators will forever be the people who could n't pass math because they were n't able to figure out their calculator.Bullshit , my wife is a teacher here in NC .
Been teaching for 7 years now and she makes under 35k a year and spends 60 + hours a week at school .
She loves teaching but has had to go back to graduate school in order to escape the bullshit pay , no planing period , no assistant and the ridicules paper work .
Why do n't you go become a fucking teacher and take care of 20 to 30 children with little to no help from anyone for less than what you could make at Wendy 's flipping burgers...You want good teachers ?
Fucking pay them .
Not the text book companies or all the other leeches.. Pay the fucking teachers.Wow , does NC have a super low cost of living ? Move to NJI work at in a school district and I just pulled it up on http : //php.app.com/edstaff/search.phpThe numbers vary depending on subject taught and grade level.There is a HS Biology teacher with a BS and 7 years experience making 77k.On the lower side there is a health/gym teacher with a BS and 7 years experience making 45k .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sad truth will continue to occur until intelligent, capable people begin to devote their lives toward the education of our children.
Unless that happens, the majority of our public educators will forever be the people who couldn't pass math because they weren't able to figure out their calculator.Bullshit, my wife is a teacher here in NC.
Been teaching for 7 years now and she makes under 35k a year and spends 60+ hours a week at school.
She loves teaching but has had to go back to graduate school in order to escape the bullshit pay, no planing period, no assistant and the ridicules paper work.
Why don't you go become a fucking teacher and take care of 20 to 30 children with little to no help from anyone for less than what you could make at Wendy's flipping burgers...You want good teachers?
Fucking pay them.
Not the text book companies or all the other leeches.. Pay the fucking teachers.Wow, does NC have a super low cost of living?Move to NJI work at in a school district and I just pulled it up on http://php.app.com/edstaff/search.phpThe numbers vary depending on subject taught and grade level.There is a HS Biology teacher with a BS and 7 years experience making 77k.On the lower side there is a health/gym teacher with a BS and 7 years experience making 45k.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30332520</id>
	<title>Turning a bad thing into a good thing...</title>
	<author>heidaro</author>
	<datestamp>1259946840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The school should take pride in assisting with research and promote itself on the idea that it is the leading school in searching for alien life on other planets.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The school should take pride in assisting with research and promote itself on the idea that it is the leading school in searching for alien life on other planets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The school should take pride in assisting with research and promote itself on the idea that it is the leading school in searching for alien life on other planets.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30333686</id>
	<title>Re:Ignorance in the comments from the Superintende</title>
	<author>devnulljapan</author>
	<datestamp>1260009180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>You want good teachers? Fucking pay them. Not the text book companies or all the other leeches.. Pay the fucking teachers.</p></div></blockquote><p>Yes!!! Can't agree more. Everybody bitches about this stuff, then turns around and <i>blames</i> the teachers, which is total horseshit. Shows where the priorities lie when the people given the task of educating or healing the populace get such shitty wages. Teachers and nurses always get shafted.</p></div>
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<tokenext>You want good teachers ?
Fucking pay them .
Not the text book companies or all the other leeches.. Pay the fucking teachers.Yes ! ! !
Ca n't agree more .
Everybody bitches about this stuff , then turns around and blames the teachers , which is total horseshit .
Shows where the priorities lie when the people given the task of educating or healing the populace get such shitty wages .
Teachers and nurses always get shafted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You want good teachers?
Fucking pay them.
Not the text book companies or all the other leeches.. Pay the fucking teachers.Yes!!!
Can't agree more.
Everybody bitches about this stuff, then turns around and blames the teachers, which is total horseshit.
Shows where the priorities lie when the people given the task of educating or healing the populace get such shitty wages.
Teachers and nurses always get shafted.
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	<title>Re:Ignorance in the comments from the Superintende</title>
	<author>biryokumaru</author>
	<datestamp>1260026760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think your wife may be a good example of the solution, not the problem.</p><p>I did not mean to offend. In fact, I very much agree with what I believe to be your central point. Money might be a good way to entice a decent teaching staff. Unfortunately, public institutions will never be able to meet professional wages.</p><p>But it looks like we do have a good teacher in your wife, without the better pay. Like I said, the solution is for quality people to sacrifice good pay and a higher standard of living for the education of our children. This seems to be the choice your wife has made.</p><p>I thank her for making the world a better place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think your wife may be a good example of the solution , not the problem.I did not mean to offend .
In fact , I very much agree with what I believe to be your central point .
Money might be a good way to entice a decent teaching staff .
Unfortunately , public institutions will never be able to meet professional wages.But it looks like we do have a good teacher in your wife , without the better pay .
Like I said , the solution is for quality people to sacrifice good pay and a higher standard of living for the education of our children .
This seems to be the choice your wife has made.I thank her for making the world a better place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think your wife may be a good example of the solution, not the problem.I did not mean to offend.
In fact, I very much agree with what I believe to be your central point.
Money might be a good way to entice a decent teaching staff.
Unfortunately, public institutions will never be able to meet professional wages.But it looks like we do have a good teacher in your wife, without the better pay.
Like I said, the solution is for quality people to sacrifice good pay and a higher standard of living for the education of our children.
This seems to be the choice your wife has made.I thank her for making the world a better place.</sentencetext>
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	<title>me too response, welcome to the real world</title>
	<author>johncandale</author>
	<datestamp>1259951280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>there are lots of reasons you can't use company/school equipment for non company tasks besides money.   Anyone who's had a real job would know this.  You always want to reduce you attack surface, or risk.   If it's not part of your/the companies job you don't do it.   They don't have time to review every software project for legal concerns, and why should they bother even one hour of lawyer time on it anyways?   Even if it's painfully clear there is no legal concern, it doesn't matter, the law can be tricky, and the default answer is always to restrict.  Man have people gotten fat and soft!  I know of someone that got fired back whenever for using the copier to copy a 10 page personal document.  But you say, 'thats like less then 2 pennies worth of ink and paper!'   You think it matters?   Also there is the assumption that if you did this, what else have you copied or will copy?   You know they audit the copies mileage meter on copiers, if the office next to yours has 10\% less copies in the same time frame, they are going to ask you why and to cut your copying.       <p>
Do not, -do -not tell me the SETI did not cost the school money in electricity , whether it was $100, or $100,000.  Any tech person could tell you it did.   If just one, just one PSU or part burned out, so much the worse.   "Well I didn't know that would happen" boss "well you shouldn't have been doing it in the first place".    Grow up people.   Running a business is hard, and the boss sees this and goes "wtf, your playing with my money"  'My Money'.   A school is if anything worse because it's public funds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>there are lots of reasons you ca n't use company/school equipment for non company tasks besides money .
Anyone who 's had a real job would know this .
You always want to reduce you attack surface , or risk .
If it 's not part of your/the companies job you do n't do it .
They do n't have time to review every software project for legal concerns , and why should they bother even one hour of lawyer time on it anyways ?
Even if it 's painfully clear there is no legal concern , it does n't matter , the law can be tricky , and the default answer is always to restrict .
Man have people gotten fat and soft !
I know of someone that got fired back whenever for using the copier to copy a 10 page personal document .
But you say , 'thats like less then 2 pennies worth of ink and paper !
' You think it matters ?
Also there is the assumption that if you did this , what else have you copied or will copy ?
You know they audit the copies mileage meter on copiers , if the office next to yours has 10 \ % less copies in the same time frame , they are going to ask you why and to cut your copying .
Do not , -do -not tell me the SETI did not cost the school money in electricity , whether it was $ 100 , or $ 100,000 .
Any tech person could tell you it did .
If just one , just one PSU or part burned out , so much the worse .
" Well I did n't know that would happen " boss " well you should n't have been doing it in the first place " .
Grow up people .
Running a business is hard , and the boss sees this and goes " wtf , your playing with my money " 'My Money' .
A school is if anything worse because it 's public funds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there are lots of reasons you can't use company/school equipment for non company tasks besides money.
Anyone who's had a real job would know this.
You always want to reduce you attack surface, or risk.
If it's not part of your/the companies job you don't do it.
They don't have time to review every software project for legal concerns, and why should they bother even one hour of lawyer time on it anyways?
Even if it's painfully clear there is no legal concern, it doesn't matter, the law can be tricky, and the default answer is always to restrict.
Man have people gotten fat and soft!
I know of someone that got fired back whenever for using the copier to copy a 10 page personal document.
But you say, 'thats like less then 2 pennies worth of ink and paper!
'   You think it matters?
Also there is the assumption that if you did this, what else have you copied or will copy?
You know they audit the copies mileage meter on copiers, if the office next to yours has 10\% less copies in the same time frame, they are going to ask you why and to cut your copying.
Do not, -do -not tell me the SETI did not cost the school money in electricity , whether it was $100, or $100,000.
Any tech person could tell you it did.
If just one, just one PSU or part burned out, so much the worse.
"Well I didn't know that would happen" boss "well you shouldn't have been doing it in the first place".
Grow up people.
Running a business is hard, and the boss sees this and goes "wtf, your playing with my money"  'My Money'.
A school is if anything worse because it's public funds.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Ignorance in the comments from the Superintende</title>
	<author>ae1294</author>
	<datestamp>1260040500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You forget again that teachers only work for 180 days of the year in New York State, sure the 60hr weeks may not balance out the 180 days of work but it is something to consider. Also consider that teachers receive good benefits like most public employees. Also does the teacher in question have tenure?</p></div><p>Yes she has tenure, and she did have good benefits but they are being cut each and every year. As far as the fable that teachers are off summers I can assure you that it's mostly untrue or at least here in NC. My wife spends most of her summer in workshops learning new ways to add numbers or about new requirements for this or that. Most of workshops sound like nothing more than a paycheck for some publisher or curriculum specialist to me. She's a bit more positive about them and only thinks 50\% or so are total bullshit.</p><p>NC is pretty bad when it comes to education pay so NY might be better. We talked about moving to another state where she would make more but the pay isn't the only problem with being a teacher. The main problem for her is that the job doesn't have anything to do with teaching children anymore. It's all about the "statistics" and filling out paperwork that never even gets looked at, the fabled "permanent record" we all remember. This paperwork isn't a bad thing but she isn't provided with any time to do it. Ends up working from 7am to 5pm every day. Last Thursday and Friday she didn't get home until around 7pm and that happens all the time.</p><p>What I find pretty insane is how they throw all of the kids in the same room now days. Imagine having children with IQ's between 77 and 120 all trying to learn the same thing. And we aren't talking about 2+2=4. They teach algebra (using shapes for variables), history, science, etc.</p><p>I work in IT and honestly sit on my ass doing 1/1000th what she does each day, make more money and don't even have a degree. (I dropped out of college)</p></div>
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<tokenext>You forget again that teachers only work for 180 days of the year in New York State , sure the 60hr weeks may not balance out the 180 days of work but it is something to consider .
Also consider that teachers receive good benefits like most public employees .
Also does the teacher in question have tenure ? Yes she has tenure , and she did have good benefits but they are being cut each and every year .
As far as the fable that teachers are off summers I can assure you that it 's mostly untrue or at least here in NC .
My wife spends most of her summer in workshops learning new ways to add numbers or about new requirements for this or that .
Most of workshops sound like nothing more than a paycheck for some publisher or curriculum specialist to me .
She 's a bit more positive about them and only thinks 50 \ % or so are total bullshit.NC is pretty bad when it comes to education pay so NY might be better .
We talked about moving to another state where she would make more but the pay is n't the only problem with being a teacher .
The main problem for her is that the job does n't have anything to do with teaching children anymore .
It 's all about the " statistics " and filling out paperwork that never even gets looked at , the fabled " permanent record " we all remember .
This paperwork is n't a bad thing but she is n't provided with any time to do it .
Ends up working from 7am to 5pm every day .
Last Thursday and Friday she did n't get home until around 7pm and that happens all the time.What I find pretty insane is how they throw all of the kids in the same room now days .
Imagine having children with IQ 's between 77 and 120 all trying to learn the same thing .
And we are n't talking about 2 + 2 = 4 .
They teach algebra ( using shapes for variables ) , history , science , etc.I work in IT and honestly sit on my ass doing 1/1000th what she does each day , make more money and do n't even have a degree .
( I dropped out of college )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You forget again that teachers only work for 180 days of the year in New York State, sure the 60hr weeks may not balance out the 180 days of work but it is something to consider.
Also consider that teachers receive good benefits like most public employees.
Also does the teacher in question have tenure?Yes she has tenure, and she did have good benefits but they are being cut each and every year.
As far as the fable that teachers are off summers I can assure you that it's mostly untrue or at least here in NC.
My wife spends most of her summer in workshops learning new ways to add numbers or about new requirements for this or that.
Most of workshops sound like nothing more than a paycheck for some publisher or curriculum specialist to me.
She's a bit more positive about them and only thinks 50\% or so are total bullshit.NC is pretty bad when it comes to education pay so NY might be better.
We talked about moving to another state where she would make more but the pay isn't the only problem with being a teacher.
The main problem for her is that the job doesn't have anything to do with teaching children anymore.
It's all about the "statistics" and filling out paperwork that never even gets looked at, the fabled "permanent record" we all remember.
This paperwork isn't a bad thing but she isn't provided with any time to do it.
Ends up working from 7am to 5pm every day.
Last Thursday and Friday she didn't get home until around 7pm and that happens all the time.What I find pretty insane is how they throw all of the kids in the same room now days.
Imagine having children with IQ's between 77 and 120 all trying to learn the same thing.
And we aren't talking about 2+2=4.
They teach algebra (using shapes for variables), history, science, etc.I work in IT and honestly sit on my ass doing 1/1000th what she does each day, make more money and don't even have a degree.
(I dropped out of college)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30335914</id>
	<title>is there a reason you're practically illiterate?</title>
	<author>SuperBanana</author>
	<datestamp>1260035820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does your wife happen to teach English?

Maybe she can give you some pointers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does your wife happen to teach English ?
Maybe she can give you some pointers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does your wife happen to teach English?
Maybe she can give you some pointers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30332560</id>
	<title>Yeah</title>
	<author>teknosapien</author>
	<datestamp>1259947440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I want my kid to go here where the bleeding edge is observed "/end  sarcasm"
Seriously ? science is ban at this school?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I want my kid to go here where the bleeding edge is observed " /end sarcasm " Seriously ?
science is ban at this school ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want my kid to go here where the bleeding edge is observed "/end  sarcasm"
Seriously ?
science is ban at this school?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Ignorance in the comments from the Superintende</title>
	<author>deprecated</author>
	<datestamp>1260005160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love the part in "It's a Wonderful Life" when you sucker punch George Bailey and Martini kicks you out of his bar. You were totally believable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love the part in " It 's a Wonderful Life " when you sucker punch George Bailey and Martini kicks you out of his bar .
You were totally believable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love the part in "It's a Wonderful Life" when you sucker punch George Bailey and Martini kicks you out of his bar.
You were totally believable.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30332364</id>
	<title>Re:Ignorance in the comments from the Superintende</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259944860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This sad truth will continue to occur until intelligent, capable people begin to devote their lives toward the education of our children. Unless that happens, the majority of our public educators will forever be the people who couldn't pass math because they weren't able to figure out their calculator.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This sad truth will continue to occur until intelligent , capable people begin to devote their lives toward the education of our children .
Unless that happens , the majority of our public educators will forever be the people who could n't pass math because they were n't able to figure out their calculator .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sad truth will continue to occur until intelligent, capable people begin to devote their lives toward the education of our children.
Unless that happens, the majority of our public educators will forever be the people who couldn't pass math because they weren't able to figure out their calculator.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30334116</id>
	<title>Re:Devil's advocate</title>
	<author>Bent Mind</author>
	<datestamp>1260016620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>but it should be decided by the board, not by one employee.</p></div><p>Ah yes, software requirements dictated by a board of computer illiterates that were elected into office by other computer illiterates. I agree that software selection should follow a policy. However, the school board should not be making those decisions. Though their input should be considered.<br> <br>A good example: Linux is banned in our local school district. Why, because the school board mandated that all computers in the district run Norton Antivirus. How was this decided? A Best Buy salesman told a school board member that all of their computers come preinstalled with a three-month subscription to Norton Antivirus and that all computers need this protection. Thus it was mandated that all school computers specifically have Norton installed.</p></div>
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<tokenext>but it should be decided by the board , not by one employee.Ah yes , software requirements dictated by a board of computer illiterates that were elected into office by other computer illiterates .
I agree that software selection should follow a policy .
However , the school board should not be making those decisions .
Though their input should be considered .
A good example : Linux is banned in our local school district .
Why , because the school board mandated that all computers in the district run Norton Antivirus .
How was this decided ?
A Best Buy salesman told a school board member that all of their computers come preinstalled with a three-month subscription to Norton Antivirus and that all computers need this protection .
Thus it was mandated that all school computers specifically have Norton installed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but it should be decided by the board, not by one employee.Ah yes, software requirements dictated by a board of computer illiterates that were elected into office by other computer illiterates.
I agree that software selection should follow a policy.
However, the school board should not be making those decisions.
Though their input should be considered.
A good example: Linux is banned in our local school district.
Why, because the school board mandated that all computers in the district run Norton Antivirus.
How was this decided?
A Best Buy salesman told a school board member that all of their computers come preinstalled with a three-month subscription to Norton Antivirus and that all computers need this protection.
Thus it was mandated that all school computers specifically have Norton installed.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_05_0158225.30335552</id>
	<title>Re:Ignorance in the comments from the Superintende</title>
	<author>Nikkos</author>
	<datestamp>1260033780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You want the teachers to get paid? Then stop with ridiculous retirement plans that siphon off huge amounts of money to pay the retired teachers.<br><br>My grandmother was a teacher, stopped teaching 30 years ago but still makes over 30k/year in retirement, plus medical.<br>My Father was a teacher, stopped teaching 10 years ago and still brings in 25k/year in retirement, plus medical<br><br>You realize in Minnesota we spend 11,000 dollars per student per year (Gen E-12 education fund plus property tax levies (9 Bil)/ 823k students) - or $330,000 dollars to teach a class of 30 students. In some districts, over half the money spent on education goes to pay teachers that arn't teaching anymore.<br><br>You want more money for teachers and students? Say FUCK YOU to the Union, take the pension away and give them a 401k like the rest of us. Then in 30 years once the current entitlement tit-suckers have died off we might have a chance.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You want the teachers to get paid ?
Then stop with ridiculous retirement plans that siphon off huge amounts of money to pay the retired teachers.My grandmother was a teacher , stopped teaching 30 years ago but still makes over 30k/year in retirement , plus medical.My Father was a teacher , stopped teaching 10 years ago and still brings in 25k/year in retirement , plus medicalYou realize in Minnesota we spend 11,000 dollars per student per year ( Gen E-12 education fund plus property tax levies ( 9 Bil ) / 823k students ) - or $ 330,000 dollars to teach a class of 30 students .
In some districts , over half the money spent on education goes to pay teachers that ar n't teaching anymore.You want more money for teachers and students ?
Say FUCK YOU to the Union , take the pension away and give them a 401k like the rest of us .
Then in 30 years once the current entitlement tit-suckers have died off we might have a chance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You want the teachers to get paid?
Then stop with ridiculous retirement plans that siphon off huge amounts of money to pay the retired teachers.My grandmother was a teacher, stopped teaching 30 years ago but still makes over 30k/year in retirement, plus medical.My Father was a teacher, stopped teaching 10 years ago and still brings in 25k/year in retirement, plus medicalYou realize in Minnesota we spend 11,000 dollars per student per year (Gen E-12 education fund plus property tax levies (9 Bil)/ 823k students) - or $330,000 dollars to teach a class of 30 students.
In some districts, over half the money spent on education goes to pay teachers that arn't teaching anymore.You want more money for teachers and students?
Say FUCK YOU to the Union, take the pension away and give them a 401k like the rest of us.
Then in 30 years once the current entitlement tit-suckers have died off we might have a chance.</sentencetext>
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