<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_04_162213</id>
	<title>Student Orchestra Performs Music With iPhones</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1259949060000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>A course at the University of Michigan ends with a live concert featuring <a href="http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/12/michigan-mobile-phone-ensemble/">students using iPhones as instruments</a>. &ldquo;Building a Mobile Phone Ensemble&ldquo; teaches students to code musical instruments for the iPhone, using the Apple-provided software-development kit. Georg Essl, assistant professor of computer science and music, says, "What&rsquo;s interesting is we blend the whole process. We start from nothing. We teach the programming of iPhones for multimedia stuff, and then we teach students to build their own instruments.&rdquo;</htmltext>
<tokenext>A course at the University of Michigan ends with a live concert featuring students using iPhones as instruments .
   Building a Mobile Phone Ensemble    teaches students to code musical instruments for the iPhone , using the Apple-provided software-development kit .
Georg Essl , assistant professor of computer science and music , says , " What    s interesting is we blend the whole process .
We start from nothing .
We teach the programming of iPhones for multimedia stuff , and then we teach students to build their own instruments.   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>A course at the University of Michigan ends with a live concert featuring students using iPhones as instruments.
“Building a Mobile Phone Ensemble“ teaches students to code musical instruments for the iPhone, using the Apple-provided software-development kit.
Georg Essl, assistant professor of computer science and music, says, "What’s interesting is we blend the whole process.
We start from nothing.
We teach the programming of iPhones for multimedia stuff, and then we teach students to build their own instruments.”</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326308</id>
	<title>Well, it's nice to know</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259953620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>... That you if you put few weeks into it and a whole class of students, you can achieve the same result as a cat stepping on a keyboard at home.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... That you if you put few weeks into it and a whole class of students , you can achieve the same result as a cat stepping on a keyboard at home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... That you if you put few weeks into it and a whole class of students, you can achieve the same result as a cat stepping on a keyboard at home.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326694</id>
	<title>Re:Not cool musically (IMO)... but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259954880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I kinda get the feeling that "electronic" instruments are seen as replacing traditional/acoustic instruments, at least in the minds of geeks/young people. I disagree.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div></blockquote><p> Anything that can be recorded by electronic means can in principle be duplicated in performances.  Physical instruments are limited by physics and their design.  Electronic instruments don't have such a narrow limitation as the types of notes available are not dictated by the materials and shape of the electronic instrument.  Having said that, the video its self was rather underwhelming.  Just variations on a single tone.  The "instruments" were programmed by the students themselves which is what is novel about them; Not so much the fact that the performance its self was disappointing.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I kinda get the feeling that " electronic " instruments are seen as replacing traditional/acoustic instruments , at least in the minds of geeks/young people .
I disagree .
: ) Anything that can be recorded by electronic means can in principle be duplicated in performances .
Physical instruments are limited by physics and their design .
Electronic instruments do n't have such a narrow limitation as the types of notes available are not dictated by the materials and shape of the electronic instrument .
Having said that , the video its self was rather underwhelming .
Just variations on a single tone .
The " instruments " were programmed by the students themselves which is what is novel about them ; Not so much the fact that the performance its self was disappointing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I kinda get the feeling that "electronic" instruments are seen as replacing traditional/acoustic instruments, at least in the minds of geeks/young people.
I disagree.
:) Anything that can be recorded by electronic means can in principle be duplicated in performances.
Physical instruments are limited by physics and their design.
Electronic instruments don't have such a narrow limitation as the types of notes available are not dictated by the materials and shape of the electronic instrument.
Having said that, the video its self was rather underwhelming.
Just variations on a single tone.
The "instruments" were programmed by the students themselves which is what is novel about them; Not so much the fact that the performance its self was disappointing.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326192</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30327612</id>
	<title>I watched the video...</title>
	<author>macwhizkid</author>
	<datestamp>1259958840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Saw this on Wired this morning. I thought it sounded kind of neat. I noticed they're at Michigan, where I work. I noticed they have a concert next week, and thought that might be interesting to attend.<br><br>Then I watched the video. My goodness. I don't know that I've experienced music quite so awful since I accidentally made an errant mouse click and bought a Miley Cyrus album. I'm not sure what I was expecting... maybe emulation of real orchestral instruments... but what I can only describe as post-modern atonal ambient droning is definitely not something I'm going to be adding to my iTunes library anytime soon.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Saw this on Wired this morning .
I thought it sounded kind of neat .
I noticed they 're at Michigan , where I work .
I noticed they have a concert next week , and thought that might be interesting to attend.Then I watched the video .
My goodness .
I do n't know that I 've experienced music quite so awful since I accidentally made an errant mouse click and bought a Miley Cyrus album .
I 'm not sure what I was expecting... maybe emulation of real orchestral instruments... but what I can only describe as post-modern atonal ambient droning is definitely not something I 'm going to be adding to my iTunes library anytime soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Saw this on Wired this morning.
I thought it sounded kind of neat.
I noticed they're at Michigan, where I work.
I noticed they have a concert next week, and thought that might be interesting to attend.Then I watched the video.
My goodness.
I don't know that I've experienced music quite so awful since I accidentally made an errant mouse click and bought a Miley Cyrus album.
I'm not sure what I was expecting... maybe emulation of real orchestral instruments... but what I can only describe as post-modern atonal ambient droning is definitely not something I'm going to be adding to my iTunes library anytime soon.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30327172</id>
	<title>Re:Annoying factor bigger than geek factor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259956800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed, getting to go to *real* orchestras is amazing, and the thousands of hours of practice, lifelong commitment to the instruments, and the craft of the musicians is both nuanced and beautiful.  Idiots waving their hands around in a circle is bullshit; you know it, I know it, everyone knows it.  Calling this an orchestra is disrespectful at best.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed , getting to go to * real * orchestras is amazing , and the thousands of hours of practice , lifelong commitment to the instruments , and the craft of the musicians is both nuanced and beautiful .
Idiots waving their hands around in a circle is bullshit ; you know it , I know it , everyone knows it .
Calling this an orchestra is disrespectful at best .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed, getting to go to *real* orchestras is amazing, and the thousands of hours of practice, lifelong commitment to the instruments, and the craft of the musicians is both nuanced and beautiful.
Idiots waving their hands around in a circle is bullshit; you know it, I know it, everyone knows it.
Calling this an orchestra is disrespectful at best.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326284</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326666</id>
	<title>sigh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259954820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>[user] performs [generic computing task] ON AN IPHONE!!!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ user ] performs [ generic computing task ] ON AN IPHONE ! ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[user] performs [generic computing task] ON AN IPHONE!!!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30330286</id>
	<title>Re:Big let down...</title>
	<author>dan325</author>
	<datestamp>1259927340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>yeah, they need to get together with some music majors.  Have the CS majors design the instruments and have the music majors figure out how to use them and perform.</htmltext>
<tokenext>yeah , they need to get together with some music majors .
Have the CS majors design the instruments and have the music majors figure out how to use them and perform .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yeah, they need to get together with some music majors.
Have the CS majors design the instruments and have the music majors figure out how to use them and perform.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326698</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326498</id>
	<title>Uh...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259954340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I pressed "play", wondering if this performance would be on par with the recent revelation of crappy music created using nothing but ubuntu and wii-components, but it said that the video is currently unavailable. Being persistent and borderline OCD, I repeatedly clicked the button until moving pictures soothed the primal instinct that drives me. It started up and I thought, wow that's pretty damn professional, the visuals look great!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>Turns out that was an ad, followed by "this video is currently unavailable".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I pressed " play " , wondering if this performance would be on par with the recent revelation of crappy music created using nothing but ubuntu and wii-components , but it said that the video is currently unavailable .
Being persistent and borderline OCD , I repeatedly clicked the button until moving pictures soothed the primal instinct that drives me .
It started up and I thought , wow that 's pretty damn professional , the visuals look great !
...Turns out that was an ad , followed by " this video is currently unavailable " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I pressed "play", wondering if this performance would be on par with the recent revelation of crappy music created using nothing but ubuntu and wii-components, but it said that the video is currently unavailable.
Being persistent and borderline OCD, I repeatedly clicked the button until moving pictures soothed the primal instinct that drives me.
It started up and I thought, wow that's pretty damn professional, the visuals look great!
...Turns out that was an ad, followed by "this video is currently unavailable".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30327050</id>
	<title>iphones</title>
	<author>amazingxkcd</author>
	<datestamp>1259956380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So idont could??</htmltext>
<tokenext>So idont could ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So idont could?
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30333174</id>
	<title>Re:Ah yes...</title>
	<author>Lavene</author>
	<datestamp>1259956140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you wish to code an apple from scratch, you must first invent the universe.</p></div><p>I's a real shame there's no "+1 Sagan" mod...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you wish to code an apple from scratch , you must first invent the universe.I 's a real shame there 's no " + 1 Sagan " mod.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you wish to code an apple from scratch, you must first invent the universe.I's a real shame there's no "+1 Sagan" mod...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30329618</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30327018</id>
	<title>AT&amp;T Piano Ad</title>
	<author>jspenguin1</author>
	<datestamp>1259956260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Reminds me of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr0d9eWJG9Y" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">this</a> [youtube.com] ad for AT&amp;T.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Reminds me of this [ youtube.com ] ad for AT&amp;T .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reminds me of this [youtube.com] ad for AT&amp;T.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30327008</id>
	<title>lkj</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259956260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this was like the stupidest thing they could have possibilbly ever done. iphone bands are easy with drumkit, and the entire smule series of applications.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this was like the stupidest thing they could have possibilbly ever done .
iphone bands are easy with drumkit , and the entire smule series of applications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this was like the stupidest thing they could have possibilbly ever done.
iphone bands are easy with drumkit, and the entire smule series of applications.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30328604</id>
	<title>Re:Not cool musically (IMO)... but...</title>
	<author>foqn1bo</author>
	<datestamp>1259919900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Typical engineer's thinking.  If manual dexterity is the ultimate benchmark of musicianship, then you must think that Joe Satriani is the pinnacle of guitar playing (who knows, maybe you do).  There are countless musicians out there who may not be the most technically gifted performers in the world, but make incomparable music as a result of their musical sensitivity.  And that sensitivity, beyond a sensitivity to the music itself, also manifests itself as a sensitivity to the capabilities, limitations, and the expressive range of the instrument (emotionally as well as physically).<br> <br>

Your fear of electronic musical instruments replacing traditional ones is unjustified.  Not only will an electronic rendition of a traditional instrument (which is usually an insipid simulation) never fully capture the original, but the real interest in electronic instruments is in exploring the different possibilities afforded by them, both in terms of performativity and in terms of expressive depth.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Typical engineer 's thinking .
If manual dexterity is the ultimate benchmark of musicianship , then you must think that Joe Satriani is the pinnacle of guitar playing ( who knows , maybe you do ) .
There are countless musicians out there who may not be the most technically gifted performers in the world , but make incomparable music as a result of their musical sensitivity .
And that sensitivity , beyond a sensitivity to the music itself , also manifests itself as a sensitivity to the capabilities , limitations , and the expressive range of the instrument ( emotionally as well as physically ) .
Your fear of electronic musical instruments replacing traditional ones is unjustified .
Not only will an electronic rendition of a traditional instrument ( which is usually an insipid simulation ) never fully capture the original , but the real interest in electronic instruments is in exploring the different possibilities afforded by them , both in terms of performativity and in terms of expressive depth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Typical engineer's thinking.
If manual dexterity is the ultimate benchmark of musicianship, then you must think that Joe Satriani is the pinnacle of guitar playing (who knows, maybe you do).
There are countless musicians out there who may not be the most technically gifted performers in the world, but make incomparable music as a result of their musical sensitivity.
And that sensitivity, beyond a sensitivity to the music itself, also manifests itself as a sensitivity to the capabilities, limitations, and the expressive range of the instrument (emotionally as well as physically).
Your fear of electronic musical instruments replacing traditional ones is unjustified.
Not only will an electronic rendition of a traditional instrument (which is usually an insipid simulation) never fully capture the original, but the real interest in electronic instruments is in exploring the different possibilities afforded by them, both in terms of performativity and in terms of expressive depth.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326192</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30327096</id>
	<title>Re:Annoying factor bigger than geek factor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259956560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I disagree.  I was unimpressed by the implementation but found the piece beautiful.</p><p>Incidentally, I'm having a hard time imagining music that is not tonal variations of sine waves.  Do you have any examples?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I disagree .
I was unimpressed by the implementation but found the piece beautiful.Incidentally , I 'm having a hard time imagining music that is not tonal variations of sine waves .
Do you have any examples ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I disagree.
I was unimpressed by the implementation but found the piece beautiful.Incidentally, I'm having a hard time imagining music that is not tonal variations of sine waves.
Do you have any examples?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326284</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30329588</id>
	<title>Re:Not cool musically (IMO)... but...</title>
	<author>Mr. Freeman</author>
	<datestamp>1259924520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You find me an "electronic instrument" (fancy name for a multi-tone tone generator) that sounds like a real instrument and I'll eat my hat.  You have the same problem with these "electronic drum sets".  The ones that have these pads instead of drums and the synth plays tones to an amp.  They cost about 5 times as much as moderate level drum kit, but sound like someone making "bump, pish" noises with their mouth.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You find me an " electronic instrument " ( fancy name for a multi-tone tone generator ) that sounds like a real instrument and I 'll eat my hat .
You have the same problem with these " electronic drum sets " .
The ones that have these pads instead of drums and the synth plays tones to an amp .
They cost about 5 times as much as moderate level drum kit , but sound like someone making " bump , pish " noises with their mouth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You find me an "electronic instrument" (fancy name for a multi-tone tone generator) that sounds like a real instrument and I'll eat my hat.
You have the same problem with these "electronic drum sets".
The ones that have these pads instead of drums and the synth plays tones to an amp.
They cost about 5 times as much as moderate level drum kit, but sound like someone making "bump, pish" noises with their mouth.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326694</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30327026</id>
	<title>just stupid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259956320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this is not music and it sounds like absolute shit. pick up a real instrument.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this is not music and it sounds like absolute shit .
pick up a real instrument .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is not music and it sounds like absolute shit.
pick up a real instrument.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326284</id>
	<title>Annoying factor bigger than geek factor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259953500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hearing 5 minutes of tonal variations of sine waves (assumed since I could only take 3 minutes of it) is just plain annoying.</p><p>Now if it had been the temporal overlapping of many different frequencies of tuning forks, that would be at least more interesting as it would take some skill during the performance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hearing 5 minutes of tonal variations of sine waves ( assumed since I could only take 3 minutes of it ) is just plain annoying.Now if it had been the temporal overlapping of many different frequencies of tuning forks , that would be at least more interesting as it would take some skill during the performance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hearing 5 minutes of tonal variations of sine waves (assumed since I could only take 3 minutes of it) is just plain annoying.Now if it had been the temporal overlapping of many different frequencies of tuning forks, that would be at least more interesting as it would take some skill during the performance.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326252</id>
	<title>LOL</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1259953440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Were they texting at the same time? Sexting?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Were they texting at the same time ?
Sexting ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Were they texting at the same time?
Sexting?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30329534</id>
	<title>Re:Big let down...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259924160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>100\% agree - I kept waiting for something better. I guess they are CS students and not musicians, so perhaps my expectations were unrealistic.</p><p>I wonder if the whole performance was shown in the video, or was there more to this snooze fest?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>100 \ % agree - I kept waiting for something better .
I guess they are CS students and not musicians , so perhaps my expectations were unrealistic.I wonder if the whole performance was shown in the video , or was there more to this snooze fest ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>100\% agree - I kept waiting for something better.
I guess they are CS students and not musicians, so perhaps my expectations were unrealistic.I wonder if the whole performance was shown in the video, or was there more to this snooze fest?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326698</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30378172</id>
	<title>Re:Not cool musically (IMO)... but...</title>
	<author>ground.zero.612</author>
	<datestamp>1259603700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Instruments make musical sounds, electronics make noises which can be forced into sounding musical.</p><p>Something I really despise about the "young/hip" techno making kids is that they seem to be raised as artists. Rather, they seem to believe because they say their noise is art, and art is subjective, that it is automatically true.</p><p>

I disagree. Music is a formal language; much like the English I am using right now. I can use this language to create forms of art, however, speaking/writing English in and of itself is not art. The same holds true for music, you can use that language to create forms of art. Just remember that making noises doesn't necessarily mean making <em>music</em>, and that using <em>that</em> language does not implicitly mean you are creating art (even if you say you are).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Instruments make musical sounds , electronics make noises which can be forced into sounding musical.Something I really despise about the " young/hip " techno making kids is that they seem to be raised as artists .
Rather , they seem to believe because they say their noise is art , and art is subjective , that it is automatically true .
I disagree .
Music is a formal language ; much like the English I am using right now .
I can use this language to create forms of art , however , speaking/writing English in and of itself is not art .
The same holds true for music , you can use that language to create forms of art .
Just remember that making noises does n't necessarily mean making music , and that using that language does not implicitly mean you are creating art ( even if you say you are ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instruments make musical sounds, electronics make noises which can be forced into sounding musical.Something I really despise about the "young/hip" techno making kids is that they seem to be raised as artists.
Rather, they seem to believe because they say their noise is art, and art is subjective, that it is automatically true.
I disagree.
Music is a formal language; much like the English I am using right now.
I can use this language to create forms of art, however, speaking/writing English in and of itself is not art.
The same holds true for music, you can use that language to create forms of art.
Just remember that making noises doesn't necessarily mean making music, and that using that language does not implicitly mean you are creating art (even if you say you are).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326694</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30328474</id>
	<title>Re:I'd rather see a guy play a song with just hand</title>
	<author>foqn1bo</author>
	<datestamp>1259919360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I guess chant doesn't count as music to you, since that usually consists of people singing the same notes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess chant does n't count as music to you , since that usually consists of people singing the same notes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess chant doesn't count as music to you, since that usually consists of people singing the same notes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326814</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30328290</id>
	<title>What is it with phones and "symphonies"?????</title>
	<author>CliffH</author>
	<datestamp>1259918700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.vodafone.co.nz/symphonia/" title="vodafone.co.nz" rel="nofollow">http://www.vodafone.co.nz/symphonia/</a> [vodafone.co.nz]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.vodafone.co.nz/symphonia/ [ vodafone.co.nz ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.vodafone.co.nz/symphonia/ [vodafone.co.nz]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30327608</id>
	<title>Wow...</title>
	<author>interval1066</author>
	<datestamp>1259958840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...that was really awful.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...that was really awful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...that was really awful.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30329618</id>
	<title>Re:Ah yes...</title>
	<author>Mr. Freeman</author>
	<datestamp>1259924580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you wish to code an apple from scratch, you must first invent the universe.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you wish to code an apple from scratch , you must first invent the universe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you wish to code an apple from scratch, you must first invent the universe.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326212</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30327154</id>
	<title>Proof I feel</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259956800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>that this is an illustration of the deterioration of education is western societies.</htmltext>
<tokenext>that this is an illustration of the deterioration of education is western societies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that this is an illustration of the deterioration of education is western societies.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30328222</id>
	<title>Re:Annoying factor bigger than geek factor</title>
	<author>bfields</author>
	<datestamp>1259918460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What does "tonal variations on sine waves" even mean?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What does " tonal variations on sine waves " even mean ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What does "tonal variations on sine waves" even mean?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326284</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30343078</id>
	<title>Re:Not cool musically (IMO)... but...</title>
	<author>Phoghat</author>
	<datestamp>1260113940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>1. What are thosse speakers they are wearing on their wrists? Look cool.
<p>As far as electronic instruments go, I bought a Q-Chord (Suzuki) an electronic guitar/harp/ type instrument and I'm having a ball with it. Although I can play keyboards I haven't done so in a long time. I still can read music but with the Q-Chord all I need is the chordss to a song and I'm playing in minutes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
What are thosse speakers they are wearing on their wrists ?
Look cool .
As far as electronic instruments go , I bought a Q-Chord ( Suzuki ) an electronic guitar/harp/ type instrument and I 'm having a ball with it .
Although I can play keyboards I have n't done so in a long time .
I still can read music but with the Q-Chord all I need is the chordss to a song and I 'm playing in minutes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
What are thosse speakers they are wearing on their wrists?
Look cool.
As far as electronic instruments go, I bought a Q-Chord (Suzuki) an electronic guitar/harp/ type instrument and I'm having a ball with it.
Although I can play keyboards I haven't done so in a long time.
I still can read music but with the Q-Chord all I need is the chordss to a song and I'm playing in minutes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326192</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30333534</id>
	<title>Re:Big let down...</title>
	<author>MojoStan</author>
	<datestamp>1260006480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>At first I was excited and expected different iPhones set to play sounds of different instruments along with a piece that had some sort of melody or at least interesting harmonics. 5 minutes of variations on a sine wave was underwhelming.</p></div><p>I don't find pop music very exciting, but The Mentalists (a 4-woman quartet) sound like four Wendy Carloses compared to those Michigan students:
</p><ul>
<li><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjx5\_-SPhk0" title="youtube.com">YouTube video of The Mentalists performing a cover of MGMT's "Kids" on iPhones and iPod Touches</a> [youtube.com]</li>
</ul><p>
The apps they used were DigiDrummer Lite (drums), Retro Synth (bass), MiniSynth (two keyboards on two iPhones), and <a href="http://ocarina.smule.com/" title="smule.com">Ocarina</a> [smule.com] (electric flute-like instrument that required blowing into the iPhone's mic). They sang with their real voices, of course.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>At first I was excited and expected different iPhones set to play sounds of different instruments along with a piece that had some sort of melody or at least interesting harmonics .
5 minutes of variations on a sine wave was underwhelming.I do n't find pop music very exciting , but The Mentalists ( a 4-woman quartet ) sound like four Wendy Carloses compared to those Michigan students : YouTube video of The Mentalists performing a cover of MGMT 's " Kids " on iPhones and iPod Touches [ youtube.com ] The apps they used were DigiDrummer Lite ( drums ) , Retro Synth ( bass ) , MiniSynth ( two keyboards on two iPhones ) , and Ocarina [ smule.com ] ( electric flute-like instrument that required blowing into the iPhone 's mic ) .
They sang with their real voices , of course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At first I was excited and expected different iPhones set to play sounds of different instruments along with a piece that had some sort of melody or at least interesting harmonics.
5 minutes of variations on a sine wave was underwhelming.I don't find pop music very exciting, but The Mentalists (a 4-woman quartet) sound like four Wendy Carloses compared to those Michigan students:

YouTube video of The Mentalists performing a cover of MGMT's "Kids" on iPhones and iPod Touches [youtube.com]

The apps they used were DigiDrummer Lite (drums), Retro Synth (bass), MiniSynth (two keyboards on two iPhones), and Ocarina [smule.com] (electric flute-like instrument that required blowing into the iPhone's mic).
They sang with their real voices, of course.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326698</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326246</id>
	<title>Wham</title>
	<author>Dachannien</author>
	<datestamp>1259953380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm hoping it was heavy on the percussion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm hoping it was heavy on the percussion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm hoping it was heavy on the percussion.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326698</id>
	<title>Big let down...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259954940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At first I was excited and expected different iPhones set to play sounds of different instruments along with a piece that had some sort of melody or at least interesting harmonics. 5 minutes of variations on a sine wave was underwhelming.</p><p>Conceptually this is cool, but ultimately was a let down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At first I was excited and expected different iPhones set to play sounds of different instruments along with a piece that had some sort of melody or at least interesting harmonics .
5 minutes of variations on a sine wave was underwhelming.Conceptually this is cool , but ultimately was a let down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At first I was excited and expected different iPhones set to play sounds of different instruments along with a piece that had some sort of melody or at least interesting harmonics.
5 minutes of variations on a sine wave was underwhelming.Conceptually this is cool, but ultimately was a let down.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326192</id>
	<title>Not cool musically (IMO)... but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259953140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... it does seem like a cool project for learning to program a multimedia app for the iPhone.</p><p>That said, why is it that people say things like this?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>You could get skilled with the piano after years of practice, but imagine how good you&rsquo;d be at playing an instrument you invented.</p></div><p>Yippee, you "invented" an instrument (what?).  That means nothing, actually, in terms of skill, since a lot of skill at playing<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... traditional, instruments, at any rate, has to do more with finger dexterity and the like, not knowing how the instrument works.  Many skilled instrumental repair shops cannot play the instrument amazingly, even if they know more about it than the players that come in.</p><p>I kinda get the feeling that "electronic" instruments are seen as replacing traditional/acoustic instruments, at least in the minds of geeks/young people.  I disagree.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... it does seem like a cool project for learning to program a multimedia app for the iPhone.That said , why is it that people say things like this ? You could get skilled with the piano after years of practice , but imagine how good you    d be at playing an instrument you invented.Yippee , you " invented " an instrument ( what ? ) .
That means nothing , actually , in terms of skill , since a lot of skill at playing ... traditional , instruments , at any rate , has to do more with finger dexterity and the like , not knowing how the instrument works .
Many skilled instrumental repair shops can not play the instrument amazingly , even if they know more about it than the players that come in.I kinda get the feeling that " electronic " instruments are seen as replacing traditional/acoustic instruments , at least in the minds of geeks/young people .
I disagree .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... it does seem like a cool project for learning to program a multimedia app for the iPhone.That said, why is it that people say things like this?You could get skilled with the piano after years of practice, but imagine how good you’d be at playing an instrument you invented.Yippee, you "invented" an instrument (what?).
That means nothing, actually, in terms of skill, since a lot of skill at playing ... traditional, instruments, at any rate, has to do more with finger dexterity and the like, not knowing how the instrument works.
Many skilled instrumental repair shops cannot play the instrument amazingly, even if they know more about it than the players that come in.I kinda get the feeling that "electronic" instruments are seen as replacing traditional/acoustic instruments, at least in the minds of geeks/young people.
I disagree.
:)
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30327328</id>
	<title>Re:Annoying factor bigger than geek factor</title>
	<author>SammyIAm</author>
	<datestamp>1259957700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Agreed.  I think it was more sound than music.

There's a certain musical quality to it, sure.  Just like there's music in the breeze and the ocean.  But in this case it's just a lot more annoying.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
I think it was more sound than music .
There 's a certain musical quality to it , sure .
Just like there 's music in the breeze and the ocean .
But in this case it 's just a lot more annoying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
I think it was more sound than music.
There's a certain musical quality to it, sure.
Just like there's music in the breeze and the ocean.
But in this case it's just a lot more annoying.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326284</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326212</id>
	<title>Ah yes...</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1259953260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"We start from nothing"...<br> <br>

By using the Apple-provided SDK...</htmltext>
<tokenext>" We start from nothing " .. . By using the Apple-provided SDK.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"We start from nothing"... 

By using the Apple-provided SDK...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326316</id>
	<title>10 minutes with iTMS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259953620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>and you're done.</htmltext>
<tokenext>and you 're done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and you're done.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30328132</id>
	<title>Re:Annoying factor bigger than geek factor</title>
	<author>foqn1bo</author>
	<datestamp>1259918040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><ul>
<li>Any sound can be decomposed into a series of overlapping sine waves</li><li>The timbre produced by this ensemble is more harmonically complex than "we're all playing the same sine waves", since the drone varies spectrally (as well as in pitch) over time (coordinated, as well, it's not just a random collection of tones)</li><li>What makes you think that playing tuning forks would require more skill, other than the fact that the activity itself is more obvious to the audience?</li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>Any sound can be decomposed into a series of overlapping sine wavesThe timbre produced by this ensemble is more harmonically complex than " we 're all playing the same sine waves " , since the drone varies spectrally ( as well as in pitch ) over time ( coordinated , as well , it 's not just a random collection of tones ) What makes you think that playing tuning forks would require more skill , other than the fact that the activity itself is more obvious to the audience ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Any sound can be decomposed into a series of overlapping sine wavesThe timbre produced by this ensemble is more harmonically complex than "we're all playing the same sine waves", since the drone varies spectrally (as well as in pitch) over time (coordinated, as well, it's not just a random collection of tones)What makes you think that playing tuning forks would require more skill, other than the fact that the activity itself is more obvious to the audience?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326284</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30327106</id>
	<title>And in other news....</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1259956560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Computers now do what they are programmed to do when the user uses the specified input device in a specified way!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Computers now do what they are programmed to do when the user uses the specified input device in a specified way !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Computers now do what they are programmed to do when the user uses the specified input device in a specified way!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326814</id>
	<title>I'd rather see a guy play a song with just hands</title>
	<author>phoenixdna</author>
	<datestamp>1259955540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I REALLY do not see how this video is impressive at all.  They play the same note and gyrate around.  WOW!!  Somebody call John Tesh.  And why does it take like 20 people to demonstrate the 'One Note Instrument' on the iphone?  Think maybe 5 people would have been enough?

I expected these people to be playing different instruments (like in a real orchestra).  So that they work together to play a song.  Maybe a couple of group of woodwind iPhones, percussion iPhones, and some brass iPhones.  When everyone is playing the same thing, then you might have an orchestra that would draw a 10 people crowd at the mall.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I REALLY do not see how this video is impressive at all .
They play the same note and gyrate around .
WOW ! ! Somebody call John Tesh .
And why does it take like 20 people to demonstrate the 'One Note Instrument ' on the iphone ?
Think maybe 5 people would have been enough ?
I expected these people to be playing different instruments ( like in a real orchestra ) .
So that they work together to play a song .
Maybe a couple of group of woodwind iPhones , percussion iPhones , and some brass iPhones .
When everyone is playing the same thing , then you might have an orchestra that would draw a 10 people crowd at the mall .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I REALLY do not see how this video is impressive at all.
They play the same note and gyrate around.
WOW!!  Somebody call John Tesh.
And why does it take like 20 people to demonstrate the 'One Note Instrument' on the iphone?
Think maybe 5 people would have been enough?
I expected these people to be playing different instruments (like in a real orchestra).
So that they work together to play a song.
Maybe a couple of group of woodwind iPhones, percussion iPhones, and some brass iPhones.
When everyone is playing the same thing, then you might have an orchestra that would draw a 10 people crowd at the mall.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326464</id>
	<title>i agree</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259954220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i feel kind of stupid now because I expected them to actually play some music...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i feel kind of stupid now because I expected them to actually play some music.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i feel kind of stupid now because I expected them to actually play some music...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30327132</id>
	<title>Best demonstration ever</title>
	<author>jecowa</author>
	<datestamp>1259956680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>of what music will sound like in hell. I just sat there waiting for them to get to the part of the song that was pleasing to the ear, but it never came.</htmltext>
<tokenext>of what music will sound like in hell .
I just sat there waiting for them to get to the part of the song that was pleasing to the ear , but it never came .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>of what music will sound like in hell.
I just sat there waiting for them to get to the part of the song that was pleasing to the ear, but it never came.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326626</id>
	<title>Dang, they could really use my help</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259954700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>...it so happens that I play the douchebag quite well, and even had some spare time on my hands...darn.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...it so happens that I play the douchebag quite well , and even had some spare time on my hands...darn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...it so happens that I play the douchebag quite well, and even had some spare time on my hands...darn.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30327020</id>
	<title>better live iPhone musical performances</title>
	<author>H0NGK0NGPH00EY</author>
	<datestamp>1259956320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Trace Bundy does the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiC66dd8ICA" title="youtube.com">live iPhone musical performance</a> [youtube.com] better, IMO.  It also helps that he's obviously not taking himself too seriously, as the performers in the above video seem to be doing.  iPhone music is an amusing gimmick, but not a serious musical art.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Trace Bundy does the live iPhone musical performance [ youtube.com ] better , IMO .
It also helps that he 's obviously not taking himself too seriously , as the performers in the above video seem to be doing .
iPhone music is an amusing gimmick , but not a serious musical art .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Trace Bundy does the live iPhone musical performance [youtube.com] better, IMO.
It also helps that he's obviously not taking himself too seriously, as the performers in the above video seem to be doing.
iPhone music is an amusing gimmick, but not a serious musical art.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326836</id>
	<title>Re:Not cool musically (IMO)... but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259955600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I saw the band 'Dream Theater" last night and I can attest to the fact that the keyboardist (Jordan Rudess) used an iPhone as an electronic instrument for a couple of songs. I don't know if it added anything to the performance (except to show how you can get fairly sophisticated electronic sounds out of such a small device using deft fingering) but it was cutting edge, man<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P</htmltext>
<tokenext>I saw the band 'Dream Theater " last night and I can attest to the fact that the keyboardist ( Jordan Rudess ) used an iPhone as an electronic instrument for a couple of songs .
I do n't know if it added anything to the performance ( except to show how you can get fairly sophisticated electronic sounds out of such a small device using deft fingering ) but it was cutting edge , man : -P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I saw the band 'Dream Theater" last night and I can attest to the fact that the keyboardist (Jordan Rudess) used an iPhone as an electronic instrument for a couple of songs.
I don't know if it added anything to the performance (except to show how you can get fairly sophisticated electronic sounds out of such a small device using deft fingering) but it was cutting edge, man :-P</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30326192</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_04_162213.30328242</id>
	<title>idea good - implementation horrible</title>
	<author>maxrate</author>
	<datestamp>1259918580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think I could generate better music by stepping on a cat or other small animal.  Just awful.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think I could generate better music by stepping on a cat or other small animal .
Just awful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think I could generate better music by stepping on a cat or other small animal.
Just awful.</sentencetext>
</comment>
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