<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_03_2018253</id>
	<title>Introducing L2Ork, World's First Linux Laptop Orchestra</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1259829240000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:ico@vtCOUGAR.eduminuscat" rel="nofollow">Agram</a> writes <i>"Take a netbook, Wiimotes, Nunchuks, and <a href="http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/speaker\_002.jpg">hemispherical speakers</a> (which were once <a href="http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/speaker\_003.jpg">IKEA salad bowls</a>), toss it up with some <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/">Ubuntu</a> goodness and what you get is <a href="http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/">Virginia Tech's L2Ork</a>, the world's first Linux-based laptop orchestra. With its affordable design and <a href="http://linuxaudio.org/">support from the Linux community</a>, <a href="http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/">L2Ork</a> hopes to bring laptop orchestras <a href="http://blogs.roanoke.com/rtblogs/arts/2009/12/02/linux-laptop-orchestra-l2ork-performs-friday-at-virginia-tech/">to K-12 education</a> and beyond. So, regardless whether you wish to hear how <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFt4MgN7JPQ">L2Ork might sound</a> or to learn how to <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSfzCx-L9Cs">build your own Linux-based *Ork infrastructure</a>, perhaps this is a good opportunity to reopen the age-old debate: is Linux finally ready for some serious audio work?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agram writes " Take a netbook , Wiimotes , Nunchuks , and hemispherical speakers ( which were once IKEA salad bowls ) , toss it up with some Ubuntu goodness and what you get is Virginia Tech 's L2Ork , the world 's first Linux-based laptop orchestra .
With its affordable design and support from the Linux community , L2Ork hopes to bring laptop orchestras to K-12 education and beyond .
So , regardless whether you wish to hear how L2Ork might sound or to learn how to build your own Linux-based * Ork infrastructure , perhaps this is a good opportunity to reopen the age-old debate : is Linux finally ready for some serious audio work ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agram writes "Take a netbook, Wiimotes, Nunchuks, and hemispherical speakers (which were once IKEA salad bowls), toss it up with some Ubuntu goodness and what you get is Virginia Tech's L2Ork, the world's first Linux-based laptop orchestra.
With its affordable design and support from the Linux community, L2Ork hopes to bring laptop orchestras to K-12 education and beyond.
So, regardless whether you wish to hear how L2Ork might sound or to learn how to build your own Linux-based *Ork infrastructure, perhaps this is a good opportunity to reopen the age-old debate: is Linux finally ready for some serious audio work?
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</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30344128</id>
	<title>stockhausen is rolling in his grave...</title>
	<author>blagg3r</author>
	<datestamp>1260124200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>tickled and laughing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>tickled and laughing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>tickled and laughing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30315850</id>
	<title>Glad Linux Is Catching Up</title>
	<author>royallthefourth</author>
	<datestamp>1259833680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Windows has had a stranglehold on laptop orchestras for such a long time that it's really good to be reading about the world's first Linux Laptop Orchestra.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows has had a stranglehold on laptop orchestras for such a long time that it 's really good to be reading about the world 's first Linux Laptop Orchestra .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows has had a stranglehold on laptop orchestras for such a long time that it's really good to be reading about the world's first Linux Laptop Orchestra.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30316156</id>
	<title>This is wonderful - Encore!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259834820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The scene is quite odd, but the result is hypnotic - and *way* more musical than most
things infecting the Billboard these days!

Where do we get the album? Will they tour?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The scene is quite odd , but the result is hypnotic - and * way * more musical than most things infecting the Billboard these days !
Where do we get the album ?
Will they tour ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The scene is quite odd, but the result is hypnotic - and *way* more musical than most
things infecting the Billboard these days!
Where do we get the album?
Will they tour?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30323550</id>
	<title>No New</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259941320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=RU&amp;hl=ru&amp;v=w5qf9O6c20o" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=RU&amp;hl=ru&amp;v=w5qf9O6c20o</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? gl = RU&amp;hl = ru&amp;v = w5qf9O6c20o [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=RU&amp;hl=ru&amp;v=w5qf9O6c20o [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30318300</id>
	<title>YOU fAIL IT..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259842440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">Pallid bodi3s and something done Sure that by the Dying. See? It's the same operation alike to reap at this point</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pallid bodi3s and something done Sure that by the Dying .
See ? It 's the same operation alike to reap at this point [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pallid bodi3s and something done Sure that by the Dying.
See? It's the same operation alike to reap at this point [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30319116</id>
	<title>K-12 circle jerk anyone?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259846640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looks like a digital circle jerk to me:</p><p>http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?p=593</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like a digital circle jerk to me : http : //l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/ ? p = 593</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like a digital circle jerk to me:http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?p=593</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30316146</id>
	<title>72</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259834760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's got a good beat, but you can't laptop dance to it..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's got a good beat , but you ca n't laptop dance to it. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's got a good beat, but you can't laptop dance to it..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30315750</id>
	<title>Go to the glory hole tonight</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259833260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Make sure to drop by the glory hole tonight as kdawson and CmdrTaco will be bringing their micropeens around.</p><p>Oh and Oombooboo 10.4 Menstruating Moose is gonna bring in the Year of the Loonix Desktop(TM)!!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Make sure to drop by the glory hole tonight as kdawson and CmdrTaco will be bringing their micropeens around.Oh and Oombooboo 10.4 Menstruating Moose is gon na bring in the Year of the Loonix Desktop ( TM ) ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Make sure to drop by the glory hole tonight as kdawson and CmdrTaco will be bringing their micropeens around.Oh and Oombooboo 10.4 Menstruating Moose is gonna bring in the Year of the Loonix Desktop(TM)!!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30315970</id>
	<title>When I tried</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259833980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>doing audio work I got unstuck immediately.  Really bad delays on my midi keyboard.  I googled and was told I needed a low latency kernel or something.  This was of course wrong.  Linux needs a low latency kernel so that it can be taken seriously out of the box.  Why would you want, by default, a high latency kernel?  Also, I needed to stick together several apps, to turn midi input into something I could hear.  I don't understand why.  Why can't there be an app which takes midi input and plays sounds (from a sound font file, wav file, etc) when it gets them?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>doing audio work I got unstuck immediately .
Really bad delays on my midi keyboard .
I googled and was told I needed a low latency kernel or something .
This was of course wrong .
Linux needs a low latency kernel so that it can be taken seriously out of the box .
Why would you want , by default , a high latency kernel ?
Also , I needed to stick together several apps , to turn midi input into something I could hear .
I do n't understand why .
Why ca n't there be an app which takes midi input and plays sounds ( from a sound font file , wav file , etc ) when it gets them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>doing audio work I got unstuck immediately.
Really bad delays on my midi keyboard.
I googled and was told I needed a low latency kernel or something.
This was of course wrong.
Linux needs a low latency kernel so that it can be taken seriously out of the box.
Why would you want, by default, a high latency kernel?
Also, I needed to stick together several apps, to turn midi input into something I could hear.
I don't understand why.
Why can't there be an app which takes midi input and plays sounds (from a sound font file, wav file, etc) when it gets them?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30315904</id>
	<title>A Bit of a letdown, really...</title>
	<author>damn\_registrars</author>
	<datestamp>1259833800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Based on the headline (and reading it a bit too fast) I was expecting some sort of cool Linux <b>Zork</b> tie-in.  I think I'll go find a grue now...  It's almost dark enough in my office for one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Based on the headline ( and reading it a bit too fast ) I was expecting some sort of cool Linux Zork tie-in .
I think I 'll go find a grue now... It 's almost dark enough in my office for one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Based on the headline (and reading it a bit too fast) I was expecting some sort of cool Linux Zork tie-in.
I think I'll go find a grue now...  It's almost dark enough in my office for one.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30315894</id>
	<title>My laptop orchestra</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259833740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a laptop orchestra that I play regularly too, but I sure as heck wouldn't do so in front of a K-12 classroom...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a laptop orchestra that I play regularly too , but I sure as heck would n't do so in front of a K-12 classroom.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a laptop orchestra that I play regularly too, but I sure as heck wouldn't do so in front of a K-12 classroom...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30325010</id>
	<title>Re:Things should be made as simple as possible...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259948220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So.. a big band can't be unimaginitive and play stale canned riffs over and over? Or emulate a style while never being completely original? And a symphony can't be composed entirely on a pc yet (with a master level keyboard player and some 32gig+ symphonic libraries such as EWQL)? I agree as I came out of my teens/20's I started realizing what the electric guitar is doing to music nowadays.. and its mostly image.. But its part of the evolution of music, whether music is getting better or worse is only subjective really.</p><p>Agree about this not being groundbreaking or much more interesting than any other gimmicky musical controller (motion to midi CC capture, etc, who cares, we're spoiled by the digital age to say that, but w/e).  In this aspect, Roland's D-beam was much cooler to me because all you use is your hand, no clunky controller of any kind. If only they included a little laser with the infrared it would be much more visual and impressive to the audience! =] But, if an instrument like this inspired someone to learn music (and stick with it), who's to say it's any better or worse than a violin or saxophone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So.. a big band ca n't be unimaginitive and play stale canned riffs over and over ?
Or emulate a style while never being completely original ?
And a symphony ca n't be composed entirely on a pc yet ( with a master level keyboard player and some 32gig + symphonic libraries such as EWQL ) ?
I agree as I came out of my teens/20 's I started realizing what the electric guitar is doing to music nowadays.. and its mostly image.. But its part of the evolution of music , whether music is getting better or worse is only subjective really.Agree about this not being groundbreaking or much more interesting than any other gimmicky musical controller ( motion to midi CC capture , etc , who cares , we 're spoiled by the digital age to say that , but w/e ) .
In this aspect , Roland 's D-beam was much cooler to me because all you use is your hand , no clunky controller of any kind .
If only they included a little laser with the infrared it would be much more visual and impressive to the audience !
= ] But , if an instrument like this inspired someone to learn music ( and stick with it ) , who 's to say it 's any better or worse than a violin or saxophone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So.. a big band can't be unimaginitive and play stale canned riffs over and over?
Or emulate a style while never being completely original?
And a symphony can't be composed entirely on a pc yet (with a master level keyboard player and some 32gig+ symphonic libraries such as EWQL)?
I agree as I came out of my teens/20's I started realizing what the electric guitar is doing to music nowadays.. and its mostly image.. But its part of the evolution of music, whether music is getting better or worse is only subjective really.Agree about this not being groundbreaking or much more interesting than any other gimmicky musical controller (motion to midi CC capture, etc, who cares, we're spoiled by the digital age to say that, but w/e).
In this aspect, Roland's D-beam was much cooler to me because all you use is your hand, no clunky controller of any kind.
If only they included a little laser with the infrared it would be much more visual and impressive to the audience!
=] But, if an instrument like this inspired someone to learn music (and stick with it), who's to say it's any better or worse than a violin or saxophone?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30316036</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30324958</id>
	<title>As if the VT Massacre wasn't bad enough</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259947980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now they have this to contend with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now they have this to contend with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now they have this to contend with.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30317658</id>
	<title>Re:Things should be made as simple as possible...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259839620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And you sir, know nothing about art, although your post makes you sound like a music snob. Art, music especially, is "interpreted" when it is consumed (as you said) yet you bash synthesised music because *you* don't like it. What about everyone else? Have you asked an electronic music artist if they think their music is, well, <em>true</em> music? You even go on to gripe about electric guitars like we're back in the 60's and Dylan just broke up with Folk. Gosh, you're so square you probably think the purpose of music is entertainment!</p><p>Back on topic, the beauty of music is that it can be made with ANYTHING. Saxophones, flutes, cellos, pianos, etc. did not start out in the forms we see them today and perhaps started out as trash cans, sticks, and twine. The computer-made "orchestra" is not a replacement for an orchestra. The program + hardware is simply a vehicle for music that is <em>similar</em> to an orchestra. The lack of creativity and singular point of view in your post makes me think that you really have no idea what music is all about. <strong>Mod parent down into obscurity please.</strong></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And you sir , know nothing about art , although your post makes you sound like a music snob .
Art , music especially , is " interpreted " when it is consumed ( as you said ) yet you bash synthesised music because * you * do n't like it .
What about everyone else ?
Have you asked an electronic music artist if they think their music is , well , true music ?
You even go on to gripe about electric guitars like we 're back in the 60 's and Dylan just broke up with Folk .
Gosh , you 're so square you probably think the purpose of music is entertainment ! Back on topic , the beauty of music is that it can be made with ANYTHING .
Saxophones , flutes , cellos , pianos , etc .
did not start out in the forms we see them today and perhaps started out as trash cans , sticks , and twine .
The computer-made " orchestra " is not a replacement for an orchestra .
The program + hardware is simply a vehicle for music that is similar to an orchestra .
The lack of creativity and singular point of view in your post makes me think that you really have no idea what music is all about .
Mod parent down into obscurity please .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And you sir, know nothing about art, although your post makes you sound like a music snob.
Art, music especially, is "interpreted" when it is consumed (as you said) yet you bash synthesised music because *you* don't like it.
What about everyone else?
Have you asked an electronic music artist if they think their music is, well, true music?
You even go on to gripe about electric guitars like we're back in the 60's and Dylan just broke up with Folk.
Gosh, you're so square you probably think the purpose of music is entertainment!Back on topic, the beauty of music is that it can be made with ANYTHING.
Saxophones, flutes, cellos, pianos, etc.
did not start out in the forms we see them today and perhaps started out as trash cans, sticks, and twine.
The computer-made "orchestra" is not a replacement for an orchestra.
The program + hardware is simply a vehicle for music that is similar to an orchestra.
The lack of creativity and singular point of view in your post makes me think that you really have no idea what music is all about.
Mod parent down into obscurity please.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30316036</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30316368</id>
	<title>Audio on Linux has come a long way</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259835660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I'm not into Laptop Orchestra's, I do use Ubuntu Studio now for MOST of my audio processing.</p><p>Only 4 years ago, I couldn't make it work.  I use a Presonus Firepod to record my band, and also have some other gadgets.  The only thing I am really missing is something like Gearbox for my Line 6 PodXT, there just isn't a substitute yet for Linux.  No worries though, I pretty much have my board setup the way I want, so rarely even use Gearbox anymore.</p><p>Anyway, back to my point.   I now use Linux as my DAW, as a sequencer, and increasing for my general computing needs.  I love Jackd with Ardour and Patchage.  It's gotten to the point where it's not just a suitable replacement for Cubase or Pro-Tools, but is my preferred setup.   Now that my ATI drivers are finally working properly with the RT kernel in Ubuntu 9.10, I am finding the cube desktop actually useful instead of just eye candy.  I can have my mixers, editors, patchage, etc. on separate workspaces and get to them easily.</p><p>Just a month ago, I had a friend of mine come over to check out my setup.  He is a drummer that also wanted to start home recordings.  He bought a ART Tubefire 8, and was very disappointed with the crippled Cubase LE that came with the hardware.  After seeing my setup, he went out, bought a $300 computer and a firewire card and asked me to get him setup.  Knowing nothing about Linux, or Ubuntu, etc, he is now using the setup to great success..   If there was ever a killer app for Linux, this is it, at least for music professionals and hobbyists.</p><p>The major drawback is hardware support still has a ways to go.  But, right now there is the ability to get high end music recording equipment working very well right out of the box.  I am a very satisfied "customer".  And to think, 4 years ago I never thought it would get there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I 'm not into Laptop Orchestra 's , I do use Ubuntu Studio now for MOST of my audio processing.Only 4 years ago , I could n't make it work .
I use a Presonus Firepod to record my band , and also have some other gadgets .
The only thing I am really missing is something like Gearbox for my Line 6 PodXT , there just is n't a substitute yet for Linux .
No worries though , I pretty much have my board setup the way I want , so rarely even use Gearbox anymore.Anyway , back to my point .
I now use Linux as my DAW , as a sequencer , and increasing for my general computing needs .
I love Jackd with Ardour and Patchage .
It 's gotten to the point where it 's not just a suitable replacement for Cubase or Pro-Tools , but is my preferred setup .
Now that my ATI drivers are finally working properly with the RT kernel in Ubuntu 9.10 , I am finding the cube desktop actually useful instead of just eye candy .
I can have my mixers , editors , patchage , etc .
on separate workspaces and get to them easily.Just a month ago , I had a friend of mine come over to check out my setup .
He is a drummer that also wanted to start home recordings .
He bought a ART Tubefire 8 , and was very disappointed with the crippled Cubase LE that came with the hardware .
After seeing my setup , he went out , bought a $ 300 computer and a firewire card and asked me to get him setup .
Knowing nothing about Linux , or Ubuntu , etc , he is now using the setup to great success.. If there was ever a killer app for Linux , this is it , at least for music professionals and hobbyists.The major drawback is hardware support still has a ways to go .
But , right now there is the ability to get high end music recording equipment working very well right out of the box .
I am a very satisfied " customer " .
And to think , 4 years ago I never thought it would get there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I'm not into Laptop Orchestra's, I do use Ubuntu Studio now for MOST of my audio processing.Only 4 years ago, I couldn't make it work.
I use a Presonus Firepod to record my band, and also have some other gadgets.
The only thing I am really missing is something like Gearbox for my Line 6 PodXT, there just isn't a substitute yet for Linux.
No worries though, I pretty much have my board setup the way I want, so rarely even use Gearbox anymore.Anyway, back to my point.
I now use Linux as my DAW, as a sequencer, and increasing for my general computing needs.
I love Jackd with Ardour and Patchage.
It's gotten to the point where it's not just a suitable replacement for Cubase or Pro-Tools, but is my preferred setup.
Now that my ATI drivers are finally working properly with the RT kernel in Ubuntu 9.10, I am finding the cube desktop actually useful instead of just eye candy.
I can have my mixers, editors, patchage, etc.
on separate workspaces and get to them easily.Just a month ago, I had a friend of mine come over to check out my setup.
He is a drummer that also wanted to start home recordings.
He bought a ART Tubefire 8, and was very disappointed with the crippled Cubase LE that came with the hardware.
After seeing my setup, he went out, bought a $300 computer and a firewire card and asked me to get him setup.
Knowing nothing about Linux, or Ubuntu, etc, he is now using the setup to great success..   If there was ever a killer app for Linux, this is it, at least for music professionals and hobbyists.The major drawback is hardware support still has a ways to go.
But, right now there is the ability to get high end music recording equipment working very well right out of the box.
I am a very satisfied "customer".
And to think, 4 years ago I never thought it would get there.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30318046</id>
	<title>Re:When I tried</title>
	<author>sowth</author>
	<datestamp>1259841360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In some ways this is a good point. Distros intended to have desktop users should probably include options to use low latency kernels. I don't see how it would be too difficult to include a few kernels compiled for different uses.
</p><ul>
<li>High latency (100Hz), no preemption for server / intensive cpu jobs.</li>
<li>300 Hz with Voluntary Kernel Preemption for gamer / media playing. I noticed videos were not jumpy at all with this setting. The default would sometimes cause mplayer to stall for a several frames, then play them all at once. I didn't think about this or consciously notice it on video before I did this, but I really can tell now.</li>
<li>One with the lowest latency setting and complete preemption, etc for more time critical and reaction sensitive work such as music and running robots and such.</li>
</ul><p>All a distro maintainer needs to do is compile them with a few minor option adjustments each time, then either put each kernel in a separate package or just install them all and config the bootloader to run the correct one. Not a huge amount of work, relatively.

</p><p> <a href="http://tapas.affenbande.org/wordpress/?page\_id=6" title="affenbande.org">This seems to be a decent article about preemption</a> [affenbande.org].

</p><p>As for an app which takes in MIDI and plays sounds, would <a href="http://zynaddsubfx.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net">Zynaddsubfx</a> [sourceforge.net] be it? I seem to remember seeing that feature when playing with it, though I have no MIDI devices, so I couldn't use it or say if it worked...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In some ways this is a good point .
Distros intended to have desktop users should probably include options to use low latency kernels .
I do n't see how it would be too difficult to include a few kernels compiled for different uses .
High latency ( 100Hz ) , no preemption for server / intensive cpu jobs .
300 Hz with Voluntary Kernel Preemption for gamer / media playing .
I noticed videos were not jumpy at all with this setting .
The default would sometimes cause mplayer to stall for a several frames , then play them all at once .
I did n't think about this or consciously notice it on video before I did this , but I really can tell now .
One with the lowest latency setting and complete preemption , etc for more time critical and reaction sensitive work such as music and running robots and such .
All a distro maintainer needs to do is compile them with a few minor option adjustments each time , then either put each kernel in a separate package or just install them all and config the bootloader to run the correct one .
Not a huge amount of work , relatively .
This seems to be a decent article about preemption [ affenbande.org ] .
As for an app which takes in MIDI and plays sounds , would Zynaddsubfx [ sourceforge.net ] be it ?
I seem to remember seeing that feature when playing with it , though I have no MIDI devices , so I could n't use it or say if it worked.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In some ways this is a good point.
Distros intended to have desktop users should probably include options to use low latency kernels.
I don't see how it would be too difficult to include a few kernels compiled for different uses.
High latency (100Hz), no preemption for server / intensive cpu jobs.
300 Hz with Voluntary Kernel Preemption for gamer / media playing.
I noticed videos were not jumpy at all with this setting.
The default would sometimes cause mplayer to stall for a several frames, then play them all at once.
I didn't think about this or consciously notice it on video before I did this, but I really can tell now.
One with the lowest latency setting and complete preemption, etc for more time critical and reaction sensitive work such as music and running robots and such.
All a distro maintainer needs to do is compile them with a few minor option adjustments each time, then either put each kernel in a separate package or just install them all and config the bootloader to run the correct one.
Not a huge amount of work, relatively.
This seems to be a decent article about preemption [affenbande.org].
As for an app which takes in MIDI and plays sounds, would Zynaddsubfx [sourceforge.net] be it?
I seem to remember seeing that feature when playing with it, though I have no MIDI devices, so I couldn't use it or say if it worked...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30315992</id>
	<title>Hmm</title>
	<author>mugnyte</author>
	<datestamp>1259834100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&nbsp; How are they choosing notes, keys and other aspects of music?  This looks a lot like a very complicated version of the historical crank organ.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>  How are they choosing notes , keys and other aspects of music ?
This looks a lot like a very complicated version of the historical crank organ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
  How are they choosing notes, keys and other aspects of music?
This looks a lot like a very complicated version of the historical crank organ.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30322530</id>
	<title>Re:VST Plugins</title>
	<author>kayoshiii</author>
	<datestamp>1259932200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I tend to think of this as being given a pre packaged cake mix with instructions as opposed to being given flour, milk, eggs, chocolate and having to figure out what to do with them. If you are already a cook then this isn't a problem if not you are probably going to want to get yourself a cookbook.<br><br>With regards to ladspa effects the UI's are minimalistic rather than ugly. However they don't really clue you in to what you are supposed to be doing you either know or you don't know. I got around this by purchasing a few good audio engineering books which gave me the necessary information and decades of insight into industry best practice. If that is not the kind of thing that floats your boat, I completely understand. Complex effects can be built up from simple plugins. The situation is changing and LV2 plugins with custom UIs starting to show up calf being the best known examples but I would also add the linuxdsp set to the list. As far as reverbs go the best is not listed as a reverb but as a convolver (jconv) and is at present a bit cumbersome to use. In general it is accurate to say that Mac and Windows users have a much larger wealth of choice.<br><br>With regards to Synthesizers http://www.audiomasterclass.com/arc.cfm?a=how-many-different-types-of-synthesis-are-there-how-many-matter<br>lists the most common forms of synthesis. Almost all synths fall into into minor variations of these types... ZynAddSubFX has very deep editing capabilities and can do Subtractive, Additive and Wavetable Synthesis. It's fairly easy to find fm synthesizers (though I personally don't think they are terribly useful). I would like to see at least one easy to use granular synthesizer and more physical modelling synths. (I have pianoteq but it is not particularly cheep and very piano centric but awesome). It would also be great to samplers that support more of the popular sample formats (so far I know of support for SF2 and gigasampler). In general I would say that you don't need many many different synths just a couple of good flexible ones (depending on how far you like to get from the presets) and if you head away from that direction then there are tools like puredata and csound. Again I completely understand if that is not what you want to do and you are right that linux does not provide the richness of choice that Mac or Windows does. I am currently looking for good books on synthesis I have found a few already but if anybody has links to share that would be great.<br><br>I guess at the end of the day Linux supports some approaches to music quite well and others not well at all. Mac and Windows will give you much greater flexibility but linux is there and can work for you if you really want it to.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I tend to think of this as being given a pre packaged cake mix with instructions as opposed to being given flour , milk , eggs , chocolate and having to figure out what to do with them .
If you are already a cook then this is n't a problem if not you are probably going to want to get yourself a cookbook.With regards to ladspa effects the UI 's are minimalistic rather than ugly .
However they do n't really clue you in to what you are supposed to be doing you either know or you do n't know .
I got around this by purchasing a few good audio engineering books which gave me the necessary information and decades of insight into industry best practice .
If that is not the kind of thing that floats your boat , I completely understand .
Complex effects can be built up from simple plugins .
The situation is changing and LV2 plugins with custom UIs starting to show up calf being the best known examples but I would also add the linuxdsp set to the list .
As far as reverbs go the best is not listed as a reverb but as a convolver ( jconv ) and is at present a bit cumbersome to use .
In general it is accurate to say that Mac and Windows users have a much larger wealth of choice.With regards to Synthesizers http : //www.audiomasterclass.com/arc.cfm ? a = how-many-different-types-of-synthesis-are-there-how-many-matterlists the most common forms of synthesis .
Almost all synths fall into into minor variations of these types... ZynAddSubFX has very deep editing capabilities and can do Subtractive , Additive and Wavetable Synthesis .
It 's fairly easy to find fm synthesizers ( though I personally do n't think they are terribly useful ) .
I would like to see at least one easy to use granular synthesizer and more physical modelling synths .
( I have pianoteq but it is not particularly cheep and very piano centric but awesome ) .
It would also be great to samplers that support more of the popular sample formats ( so far I know of support for SF2 and gigasampler ) .
In general I would say that you do n't need many many different synths just a couple of good flexible ones ( depending on how far you like to get from the presets ) and if you head away from that direction then there are tools like puredata and csound .
Again I completely understand if that is not what you want to do and you are right that linux does not provide the richness of choice that Mac or Windows does .
I am currently looking for good books on synthesis I have found a few already but if anybody has links to share that would be great.I guess at the end of the day Linux supports some approaches to music quite well and others not well at all .
Mac and Windows will give you much greater flexibility but linux is there and can work for you if you really want it to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tend to think of this as being given a pre packaged cake mix with instructions as opposed to being given flour, milk, eggs, chocolate and having to figure out what to do with them.
If you are already a cook then this isn't a problem if not you are probably going to want to get yourself a cookbook.With regards to ladspa effects the UI's are minimalistic rather than ugly.
However they don't really clue you in to what you are supposed to be doing you either know or you don't know.
I got around this by purchasing a few good audio engineering books which gave me the necessary information and decades of insight into industry best practice.
If that is not the kind of thing that floats your boat, I completely understand.
Complex effects can be built up from simple plugins.
The situation is changing and LV2 plugins with custom UIs starting to show up calf being the best known examples but I would also add the linuxdsp set to the list.
As far as reverbs go the best is not listed as a reverb but as a convolver (jconv) and is at present a bit cumbersome to use.
In general it is accurate to say that Mac and Windows users have a much larger wealth of choice.With regards to Synthesizers http://www.audiomasterclass.com/arc.cfm?a=how-many-different-types-of-synthesis-are-there-how-many-matterlists the most common forms of synthesis.
Almost all synths fall into into minor variations of these types... ZynAddSubFX has very deep editing capabilities and can do Subtractive, Additive and Wavetable Synthesis.
It's fairly easy to find fm synthesizers (though I personally don't think they are terribly useful).
I would like to see at least one easy to use granular synthesizer and more physical modelling synths.
(I have pianoteq but it is not particularly cheep and very piano centric but awesome).
It would also be great to samplers that support more of the popular sample formats (so far I know of support for SF2 and gigasampler).
In general I would say that you don't need many many different synths just a couple of good flexible ones (depending on how far you like to get from the presets) and if you head away from that direction then there are tools like puredata and csound.
Again I completely understand if that is not what you want to do and you are right that linux does not provide the richness of choice that Mac or Windows does.
I am currently looking for good books on synthesis I have found a few already but if anybody has links to share that would be great.I guess at the end of the day Linux supports some approaches to music quite well and others not well at all.
Mac and Windows will give you much greater flexibility but linux is there and can work for you if you really want it to.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30316036</id>
	<title>Things should be made as simple as possible...</title>
	<author>digsbo</author>
	<datestamp>1259834280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>...but no simpler.
<p>
It's an interesting idea and may have beneficial applications for entertainment, music therapy or childhood education, but I don't see much potential for any real [read artistic] musical applications.  Excepting, possibly, interactive performance art or something.
</p><p>
The richness of a real symphony orchestra's sound is tied to the complexity and expertise of about a hundred different musicians at levels of superb mastery working together as individuals to recreate and interpret a composer's vision. I don't see how it would be possible to do anything different from the already tired new-agey synthesizer muzak with a tool like this.  Of course I feel similarly about replacing the big band with an electric guitar.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...but no simpler .
It 's an interesting idea and may have beneficial applications for entertainment , music therapy or childhood education , but I do n't see much potential for any real [ read artistic ] musical applications .
Excepting , possibly , interactive performance art or something .
The richness of a real symphony orchestra 's sound is tied to the complexity and expertise of about a hundred different musicians at levels of superb mastery working together as individuals to recreate and interpret a composer 's vision .
I do n't see how it would be possible to do anything different from the already tired new-agey synthesizer muzak with a tool like this .
Of course I feel similarly about replacing the big band with an electric guitar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...but no simpler.
It's an interesting idea and may have beneficial applications for entertainment, music therapy or childhood education, but I don't see much potential for any real [read artistic] musical applications.
Excepting, possibly, interactive performance art or something.
The richness of a real symphony orchestra's sound is tied to the complexity and expertise of about a hundred different musicians at levels of superb mastery working together as individuals to recreate and interpret a composer's vision.
I don't see how it would be possible to do anything different from the already tired new-agey synthesizer muzak with a tool like this.
Of course I feel similarly about replacing the big band with an electric guitar.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30316466</id>
	<title>WAAAAGH!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259835900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Learn to Ork? Nar yer weedy git, I is da good ork boy! WAAAGH!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Learn to Ork ?
Nar yer weedy git , I is da good ork boy !
WAAAGH ! ! !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Learn to Ork?
Nar yer weedy git, I is da good ork boy!
WAAAGH!!!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30315744</id>
	<title>Without good DAC support...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259833200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately companies that make good DACs, like MOTU, don't provide Linux drivers.  It's no good to try and work on a Linux box if you're limited to the built in stereo 1/8" soundcard.</p><p>So while it can work for small hemi-speakers, trying to drive a full surround setup is near impossible without good proper DACs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately companies that make good DACs , like MOTU , do n't provide Linux drivers .
It 's no good to try and work on a Linux box if you 're limited to the built in stereo 1/8 " soundcard.So while it can work for small hemi-speakers , trying to drive a full surround setup is near impossible without good proper DACs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately companies that make good DACs, like MOTU, don't provide Linux drivers.
It's no good to try and work on a Linux box if you're limited to the built in stereo 1/8" soundcard.So while it can work for small hemi-speakers, trying to drive a full surround setup is near impossible without good proper DACs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30320972</id>
	<title>Let's Call It An Armswiggle</title>
	<author>DynaSoar</author>
	<datestamp>1259862840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because it sure ain't no orchestra. That's be a collection of musical instruments. This is a collection of pseudo-random musical background sound generators. Music is replicable, hence "songs". This is self-similar. Any collection of sounds can be called music, but the brain decides if it sounds like 'real' music when a power curve representing the output of all notes/sounds fits a particular dimensionality; details are in Mandelbrot's first fractals picture book. If these can be tweaked to produce that, I'd agree it could play a piece of music. But I wouldn't cop to the more generic "music" unless they can be used in such a way that any number of unique pieces of music are created. If there's to be a debate, let's have it over the above details, not over the mistaken idea that it's the OS, rather than music apps, that make a machine music capable. Linux was music capable when the first audio CD driver allowed a CD to be played through a sound card and speakers. Other ways are possible but this one channel was sufficient for prerecorded song playback, so it was certainly good enough for a simulated instrument's output.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because it sure ai n't no orchestra .
That 's be a collection of musical instruments .
This is a collection of pseudo-random musical background sound generators .
Music is replicable , hence " songs " .
This is self-similar .
Any collection of sounds can be called music , but the brain decides if it sounds like 'real ' music when a power curve representing the output of all notes/sounds fits a particular dimensionality ; details are in Mandelbrot 's first fractals picture book .
If these can be tweaked to produce that , I 'd agree it could play a piece of music .
But I would n't cop to the more generic " music " unless they can be used in such a way that any number of unique pieces of music are created .
If there 's to be a debate , let 's have it over the above details , not over the mistaken idea that it 's the OS , rather than music apps , that make a machine music capable .
Linux was music capable when the first audio CD driver allowed a CD to be played through a sound card and speakers .
Other ways are possible but this one channel was sufficient for prerecorded song playback , so it was certainly good enough for a simulated instrument 's output .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because it sure ain't no orchestra.
That's be a collection of musical instruments.
This is a collection of pseudo-random musical background sound generators.
Music is replicable, hence "songs".
This is self-similar.
Any collection of sounds can be called music, but the brain decides if it sounds like 'real' music when a power curve representing the output of all notes/sounds fits a particular dimensionality; details are in Mandelbrot's first fractals picture book.
If these can be tweaked to produce that, I'd agree it could play a piece of music.
But I wouldn't cop to the more generic "music" unless they can be used in such a way that any number of unique pieces of music are created.
If there's to be a debate, let's have it over the above details, not over the mistaken idea that it's the OS, rather than music apps, that make a machine music capable.
Linux was music capable when the first audio CD driver allowed a CD to be played through a sound card and speakers.
Other ways are possible but this one channel was sufficient for prerecorded song playback, so it was certainly good enough for a simulated instrument's output.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30316582</id>
	<title>I've got a laptop orchestra</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259836200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a laptop orchestra.  Any floutists wanna play?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a laptop orchestra .
Any floutists wan na play ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a laptop orchestra.
Any floutists wanna play?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30316572</id>
	<title>Re:When I tried</title>
	<author>Cheile</author>
	<datestamp>1259836140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>A general rule of thumb is that latency and throughput are opposing interests.  For the majority of users and uses occasional latency is a good tradeoff for higher overall throughput and performance.  For realtime applications low latency is a good tradeoff for lower overall performance.  Linux can be tuned in many ways for many different use cases and may not suit your needs right out of the box.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A general rule of thumb is that latency and throughput are opposing interests .
For the majority of users and uses occasional latency is a good tradeoff for higher overall throughput and performance .
For realtime applications low latency is a good tradeoff for lower overall performance .
Linux can be tuned in many ways for many different use cases and may not suit your needs right out of the box .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A general rule of thumb is that latency and throughput are opposing interests.
For the majority of users and uses occasional latency is a good tradeoff for higher overall throughput and performance.
For realtime applications low latency is a good tradeoff for lower overall performance.
Linux can be tuned in many ways for many different use cases and may not suit your needs right out of the box.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30315920</id>
	<title>Re:I've read the article and gone to the site, but</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1259833860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its a wierdo music group not an app?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its a wierdo music group not an app ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its a wierdo music group not an app?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30315856</id>
	<title>Definitely checking this out...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259833680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was going to be in Blacksburg that night anyway, might as well check it out.</p><p>Neat!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was going to be in Blacksburg that night anyway , might as well check it out.Neat !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was going to be in Blacksburg that night anyway, might as well check it out.Neat!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30317140</id>
	<title>Re:When I tried</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1259837880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://ubuntustudio.org/KarmicKoala" title="ubuntustudio.org">Ubuntu Studio 9.10</a> [ubuntustudio.org] comes with an official real time kernel.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ubuntu Studio 9.10 [ ubuntustudio.org ] comes with an official real time kernel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ubuntu Studio 9.10 [ubuntustudio.org] comes with an official real time kernel.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30315822</id>
	<title>I've read the article and gone to the site, but</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259833560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I still can't figure out exactly what this does. I've even looked up SLOrk and PLOrk, and I don't have any idea what <i>they</i> do, either. Is it a sort of MIDI-esque endeavour? Some kind of networking for digital instruments? Something entirely different?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I still ca n't figure out exactly what this does .
I 've even looked up SLOrk and PLOrk , and I do n't have any idea what they do , either .
Is it a sort of MIDI-esque endeavour ?
Some kind of networking for digital instruments ?
Something entirely different ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still can't figure out exactly what this does.
I've even looked up SLOrk and PLOrk, and I don't have any idea what they do, either.
Is it a sort of MIDI-esque endeavour?
Some kind of networking for digital instruments?
Something entirely different?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30321844</id>
	<title>VST Plugins</title>
	<author>Louigi Verona</author>
	<datestamp>1259919000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have moved to GNU/Linux two and a half months ago. I wanted to move before but as a musician I did not want to give up music and what I saw on GNU systems was very weak and simply did not allow me to do anything.

I have to point out that I am not an orchestra man, I am an electronic musician. So I don't care for much recording (although I do for some), I care more for effects, synthesizers and sequencers.

What can I say? Apart from a long learning curve (which is okay, actually, I don't mind learning something if I know it will get me somewhere) the biggest problem are the plugins. the sequencers and all that general stuff is more or less usable, Ardour is cool as a multitrack editor and recorder, LMMS is already in a pretty good state as an intergrated DAW. Apps for live performance are basically killer apps. JACK itself, ardour, kluppe, sooperlooper, being able to route that stuff, JACK Rack - all of that is great. But... But the lack of good plugins and software synthesizers is a blocker for studio work.

In electronic music sound manipulation is the core of what you are doing. On PC and on Mac you have VST and AU plugins, and loads of them - effects and synthesizers alike. There are literally hundreds of high quality stuff.

On GNU/Linux, unfortunately, there are only LADSPA effects, which have ugly GUIs and most importantly are mostly very basic effects, in many cases buggy and not so well sounding. There is literally not one really good reverb. There are a couple of good reverbs for voice, but they are very specific. Apart from CALF pack, most of the LADSPA plugins are almost useless. They either don't work or offer you twenty parameters which you have to tweak to get some basic delay. Absolutely no presets makes it difficult for non-engineers to get some simple stuff done.

But the effects, while very important, is not the biggest problem. After all, I can eventually create my own presets and there are also LV2 which have potential (although I found no way to actually check any of those as I simply do not know how to install them and how to plug them in), but there are almost NO SOFTWARE SYNTHESIZERS. Apart from a ZynAddSubFx, which from a point of view of a Linux user is a genius product, while to a Windows user is just a normal VSTi plugin you would find dozens of in the VST world. Yeah, it may be closer to stuff like Sytrus, since it is potentially a great synthesizer and you can do lots of cool synth work, but honestly - I've seen many-many synths like that and the fact the GNU system has just one is really a good way to highlight the problem.

Eventually, having observed that the switch to GNU/Linux basically stopped my music production, I decided to install FL Studio, a proprietary app, through WINE and have to use it for its plugins.

As soon as LV2 plugins become better and there will be much more of them, I would say that GNU/Linux has finished its transition to being a good OS for audio work.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have moved to GNU/Linux two and a half months ago .
I wanted to move before but as a musician I did not want to give up music and what I saw on GNU systems was very weak and simply did not allow me to do anything .
I have to point out that I am not an orchestra man , I am an electronic musician .
So I do n't care for much recording ( although I do for some ) , I care more for effects , synthesizers and sequencers .
What can I say ?
Apart from a long learning curve ( which is okay , actually , I do n't mind learning something if I know it will get me somewhere ) the biggest problem are the plugins .
the sequencers and all that general stuff is more or less usable , Ardour is cool as a multitrack editor and recorder , LMMS is already in a pretty good state as an intergrated DAW .
Apps for live performance are basically killer apps .
JACK itself , ardour , kluppe , sooperlooper , being able to route that stuff , JACK Rack - all of that is great .
But... But the lack of good plugins and software synthesizers is a blocker for studio work .
In electronic music sound manipulation is the core of what you are doing .
On PC and on Mac you have VST and AU plugins , and loads of them - effects and synthesizers alike .
There are literally hundreds of high quality stuff .
On GNU/Linux , unfortunately , there are only LADSPA effects , which have ugly GUIs and most importantly are mostly very basic effects , in many cases buggy and not so well sounding .
There is literally not one really good reverb .
There are a couple of good reverbs for voice , but they are very specific .
Apart from CALF pack , most of the LADSPA plugins are almost useless .
They either do n't work or offer you twenty parameters which you have to tweak to get some basic delay .
Absolutely no presets makes it difficult for non-engineers to get some simple stuff done .
But the effects , while very important , is not the biggest problem .
After all , I can eventually create my own presets and there are also LV2 which have potential ( although I found no way to actually check any of those as I simply do not know how to install them and how to plug them in ) , but there are almost NO SOFTWARE SYNTHESIZERS .
Apart from a ZynAddSubFx , which from a point of view of a Linux user is a genius product , while to a Windows user is just a normal VSTi plugin you would find dozens of in the VST world .
Yeah , it may be closer to stuff like Sytrus , since it is potentially a great synthesizer and you can do lots of cool synth work , but honestly - I 've seen many-many synths like that and the fact the GNU system has just one is really a good way to highlight the problem .
Eventually , having observed that the switch to GNU/Linux basically stopped my music production , I decided to install FL Studio , a proprietary app , through WINE and have to use it for its plugins .
As soon as LV2 plugins become better and there will be much more of them , I would say that GNU/Linux has finished its transition to being a good OS for audio work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have moved to GNU/Linux two and a half months ago.
I wanted to move before but as a musician I did not want to give up music and what I saw on GNU systems was very weak and simply did not allow me to do anything.
I have to point out that I am not an orchestra man, I am an electronic musician.
So I don't care for much recording (although I do for some), I care more for effects, synthesizers and sequencers.
What can I say?
Apart from a long learning curve (which is okay, actually, I don't mind learning something if I know it will get me somewhere) the biggest problem are the plugins.
the sequencers and all that general stuff is more or less usable, Ardour is cool as a multitrack editor and recorder, LMMS is already in a pretty good state as an intergrated DAW.
Apps for live performance are basically killer apps.
JACK itself, ardour, kluppe, sooperlooper, being able to route that stuff, JACK Rack - all of that is great.
But... But the lack of good plugins and software synthesizers is a blocker for studio work.
In electronic music sound manipulation is the core of what you are doing.
On PC and on Mac you have VST and AU plugins, and loads of them - effects and synthesizers alike.
There are literally hundreds of high quality stuff.
On GNU/Linux, unfortunately, there are only LADSPA effects, which have ugly GUIs and most importantly are mostly very basic effects, in many cases buggy and not so well sounding.
There is literally not one really good reverb.
There are a couple of good reverbs for voice, but they are very specific.
Apart from CALF pack, most of the LADSPA plugins are almost useless.
They either don't work or offer you twenty parameters which you have to tweak to get some basic delay.
Absolutely no presets makes it difficult for non-engineers to get some simple stuff done.
But the effects, while very important, is not the biggest problem.
After all, I can eventually create my own presets and there are also LV2 which have potential (although I found no way to actually check any of those as I simply do not know how to install them and how to plug them in), but there are almost NO SOFTWARE SYNTHESIZERS.
Apart from a ZynAddSubFx, which from a point of view of a Linux user is a genius product, while to a Windows user is just a normal VSTi plugin you would find dozens of in the VST world.
Yeah, it may be closer to stuff like Sytrus, since it is potentially a great synthesizer and you can do lots of cool synth work, but honestly - I've seen many-many synths like that and the fact the GNU system has just one is really a good way to highlight the problem.
Eventually, having observed that the switch to GNU/Linux basically stopped my music production, I decided to install FL Studio, a proprietary app, through WINE and have to use it for its plugins.
As soon as LV2 plugins become better and there will be much more of them, I would say that GNU/Linux has finished its transition to being a good OS for audio work.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30317108</id>
	<title>The Machine Orchestra</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259837760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We are realizing a project similar to this in the Music Technology program at CalArts, called The Machine Orchestra. The hemispherical speakers (using the same process pioneered at PLOrk and SLOrk) have 6 discrete channels and allow for some really interesting audio/spatial effects stereo recordings don't really give any sort of impression as to how they sound in a room with an ensemble of them. A lot of electronic music performance is limited to stereo, so part of the idea behind using a hemi is to have a radiance of sound similar to acoustic instruments interacting in a traditional orchestra. In our implementation of a laptop orchestra, we are also combining acoustic instruments and robotic musical instruments in addition to performers playing music through the hemis.</p><p>Although the use of the hemis in education could be a good idea, the speakers themselves are very expensive to build, also taking into account the 6-channel interface needed.</p><p>Shameless plug: if you are interested in seeing and hearing a live performance, our premiere of The Machine Orchestra will be at REDCAT in downtown LA on January 27th (http://www.themachineorchestra.com/).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We are realizing a project similar to this in the Music Technology program at CalArts , called The Machine Orchestra .
The hemispherical speakers ( using the same process pioneered at PLOrk and SLOrk ) have 6 discrete channels and allow for some really interesting audio/spatial effects stereo recordings do n't really give any sort of impression as to how they sound in a room with an ensemble of them .
A lot of electronic music performance is limited to stereo , so part of the idea behind using a hemi is to have a radiance of sound similar to acoustic instruments interacting in a traditional orchestra .
In our implementation of a laptop orchestra , we are also combining acoustic instruments and robotic musical instruments in addition to performers playing music through the hemis.Although the use of the hemis in education could be a good idea , the speakers themselves are very expensive to build , also taking into account the 6-channel interface needed.Shameless plug : if you are interested in seeing and hearing a live performance , our premiere of The Machine Orchestra will be at REDCAT in downtown LA on January 27th ( http : //www.themachineorchestra.com/ ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We are realizing a project similar to this in the Music Technology program at CalArts, called The Machine Orchestra.
The hemispherical speakers (using the same process pioneered at PLOrk and SLOrk) have 6 discrete channels and allow for some really interesting audio/spatial effects stereo recordings don't really give any sort of impression as to how they sound in a room with an ensemble of them.
A lot of electronic music performance is limited to stereo, so part of the idea behind using a hemi is to have a radiance of sound similar to acoustic instruments interacting in a traditional orchestra.
In our implementation of a laptop orchestra, we are also combining acoustic instruments and robotic musical instruments in addition to performers playing music through the hemis.Although the use of the hemis in education could be a good idea, the speakers themselves are very expensive to build, also taking into account the 6-channel interface needed.Shameless plug: if you are interested in seeing and hearing a live performance, our premiere of The Machine Orchestra will be at REDCAT in downtown LA on January 27th (http://www.themachineorchestra.com/).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30318316</id>
	<title>Too Steep a Curve</title>
	<author>b4upoo</author>
	<datestamp>1259842500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>      So far Linux does have musical capabilities but not enough and not easy enough either.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; For example converting a treble clef trumpet part to a bass clef trombone part should be a no brainer and printing it out should be a breeze as well. Further converting a melody played through the system into a score should also be simple.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Having to use different programs to print a score, convert a score and play a score will not attract many musicians.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; So far one of the very, very few excuses for running Windows is the production of music by musicians. Online DJs may fare better as they may alter music but do not usually create it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So far Linux does have musical capabilities but not enough and not easy enough either .
            For example converting a treble clef trumpet part to a bass clef trombone part should be a no brainer and printing it out should be a breeze as well .
Further converting a melody played through the system into a score should also be simple .
            Having to use different programs to print a score , convert a score and play a score will not attract many musicians .
            So far one of the very , very few excuses for running Windows is the production of music by musicians .
Online DJs may fare better as they may alter music but do not usually create it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>      So far Linux does have musical capabilities but not enough and not easy enough either.
            For example converting a treble clef trumpet part to a bass clef trombone part should be a no brainer and printing it out should be a breeze as well.
Further converting a melody played through the system into a score should also be simple.
            Having to use different programs to print a score, convert a score and play a score will not attract many musicians.
            So far one of the very, very few excuses for running Windows is the production of music by musicians.
Online DJs may fare better as they may alter music but do not usually create it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30317668</id>
	<title>"Is Linux Ready..."</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259839680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why do people always ask if the OS is ready for audio/video/futuristichyper3dmedia work?  Of course the OS is: its job is to provide interfaces for hardware drivers and schedule processes to run, some of which might just be audio/video/you-get-it application programs.

Ever since Windows, the original Mac OS, and a few others started bundling all of these apps into the OS distribution, people have confused operating systems with the toys they're shipped with.

Of course, I'm old and cranky and mainframe based where we automatically delineate apps from OS functions - but I'd still like to see discourse about such things be a little more precise.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do people always ask if the OS is ready for audio/video/futuristichyper3dmedia work ?
Of course the OS is : its job is to provide interfaces for hardware drivers and schedule processes to run , some of which might just be audio/video/you-get-it application programs .
Ever since Windows , the original Mac OS , and a few others started bundling all of these apps into the OS distribution , people have confused operating systems with the toys they 're shipped with .
Of course , I 'm old and cranky and mainframe based where we automatically delineate apps from OS functions - but I 'd still like to see discourse about such things be a little more precise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do people always ask if the OS is ready for audio/video/futuristichyper3dmedia work?
Of course the OS is: its job is to provide interfaces for hardware drivers and schedule processes to run, some of which might just be audio/video/you-get-it application programs.
Ever since Windows, the original Mac OS, and a few others started bundling all of these apps into the OS distribution, people have confused operating systems with the toys they're shipped with.
Of course, I'm old and cranky and mainframe based where we automatically delineate apps from OS functions - but I'd still like to see discourse about such things be a little more precise.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30316524</id>
	<title>Scary shit</title>
	<author>PHPfanboy</author>
	<datestamp>1259836020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hope they're not hoping to sell many tickets for performances just yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hope they 're not hoping to sell many tickets for performances just yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hope they're not hoping to sell many tickets for performances just yet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30320410</id>
	<title>Re:Audio on Linux has come a long way</title>
	<author>anechoic</author>
	<datestamp>1259857020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ditto -- I'm an Ardour user on Ubuntu and would never go back to OS X -- ever!<br>http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/08/04/linux-music-workflow-switching-from-mac-os-x-to-ubuntu-with-kim-cascone/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ditto -- I 'm an Ardour user on Ubuntu and would never go back to OS X -- ever ! http : //createdigitalmusic.com/2009/08/04/linux-music-workflow-switching-from-mac-os-x-to-ubuntu-with-kim-cascone/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ditto -- I'm an Ardour user on Ubuntu and would never go back to OS X -- ever!http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/08/04/linux-music-workflow-switching-from-mac-os-x-to-ubuntu-with-kim-cascone/</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30316368</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30323464</id>
	<title>You seem to know what you are talking about.</title>
	<author>jotaeleemeese</author>
	<datestamp>1259940840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you have any document about how your set up is?</p><p>Do you have any sources of information for somebody that would be trying to start producing music with Linux?</p><p>Any tutorials you know about?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you have any document about how your set up is ? Do you have any sources of information for somebody that would be trying to start producing music with Linux ? Any tutorials you know about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you have any document about how your set up is?Do you have any sources of information for somebody that would be trying to start producing music with Linux?Any tutorials you know about?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30316368</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30317504</id>
	<title>Re:Without good DAC support...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259839080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some of these are on par with MOTU's basic interfaces <a href="http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/List\_of\_Supported\_Devices" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">List of Supported Devices FreeBoB</a> [sourceforge.net]</p><p>Of course, the software to really put any of those to full use really isn't there...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some of these are on par with MOTU 's basic interfaces List of Supported Devices FreeBoB [ sourceforge.net ] Of course , the software to really put any of those to full use really is n't there.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some of these are on par with MOTU's basic interfaces List of Supported Devices FreeBoB [sourceforge.net]Of course, the software to really put any of those to full use really isn't there...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30315744</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30316890</id>
	<title>Re:Go to the glory hole tonight</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259837040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Menstruating Moose will be 10.10, not 10.4.  Get your facts straight!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Menstruating Moose will be 10.10 , not 10.4 .
Get your facts straight !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Menstruating Moose will be 10.10, not 10.4.
Get your facts straight!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30315750</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30324924</id>
	<title>Re:When I tried</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259947860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why can't there be an app which takes midi input and plays sounds (from a sound font file, wav file, etc) when it gets them?</p></div><p>Why can't there be an app which tells people to use google when asking dumbass questions like this?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ca n't there be an app which takes midi input and plays sounds ( from a sound font file , wav file , etc ) when it gets them ? Why ca n't there be an app which tells people to use google when asking dumbass questions like this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why can't there be an app which takes midi input and plays sounds (from a sound font file, wav file, etc) when it gets them?Why can't there be an app which tells people to use google when asking dumbass questions like this?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30315970</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30316206</id>
	<title>Hooray for dubious honors</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259835000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>So where was Slashdot when I created the world's first chihuahua-based chamber choir for walk-in closets?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So where was Slashdot when I created the world 's first chihuahua-based chamber choir for walk-in closets ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So where was Slashdot when I created the world's first chihuahua-based chamber choir for walk-in closets?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30318274</id>
	<title>Re:Audio on Linux has come a long way</title>
	<author>linuxpyro</author>
	<datestamp>1259842320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've got an M Audio Delta 44 that works pretty well with Ubuntu Studio.  I've used Ardour/Jackd for a few years now (first on Gentoo and now on Ubuntu Studio) and they work great.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got an M Audio Delta 44 that works pretty well with Ubuntu Studio .
I 've used Ardour/Jackd for a few years now ( first on Gentoo and now on Ubuntu Studio ) and they work great .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got an M Audio Delta 44 that works pretty well with Ubuntu Studio.
I've used Ardour/Jackd for a few years now (first on Gentoo and now on Ubuntu Studio) and they work great.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30316368</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30318356</id>
	<title>Re:When I tried</title>
	<author>rantingkitten</author>
	<datestamp>1259842740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Why can't there be an app which takes midi input and plays sounds (from a sound font file, wav file, etc) when it gets them?</i> <br>
<br>
Try <a href="http://lmms.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net">lmms</a> [sourceforge.net]?  It's come a long way.  There's a Windows port available too if you want to try it out.  Works with the (very low end) midi controllers I have.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ca n't there be an app which takes midi input and plays sounds ( from a sound font file , wav file , etc ) when it gets them ?
Try lmms [ sourceforge.net ] ?
It 's come a long way .
There 's a Windows port available too if you want to try it out .
Works with the ( very low end ) midi controllers I have .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why can't there be an app which takes midi input and plays sounds (from a sound font file, wav file, etc) when it gets them?
Try lmms [sourceforge.net]?
It's come a long way.
There's a Windows port available too if you want to try it out.
Works with the (very low end) midi controllers I have.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30315970</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30316358</id>
	<title>Re:Glad Linux Is Catching Up</title>
	<author>Pete Venkman</author>
	<datestamp>1259835600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When is there going to be a BSD port?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When is there going to be a BSD port ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When is there going to be a BSD port?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30315850</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30316302</id>
	<title>So who else is actually going to attend?</title>
	<author>scubanator87</author>
	<datestamp>1259835420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ill be there and i think the after party is at Connor's</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ill be there and i think the after party is at Connor 's</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ill be there and i think the after party is at Connor's</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_2018253.30321918</id>
	<title>Re:Things should be made as simple as possible...</title>
	<author>Patch86</author>
	<datestamp>1259920200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What you're basically saying (and I agree) is that the quality of an "orchestra" is directly related to the quality of the instruments.</p><p>Classic instruments and nuanced and perfected over centuries of development- and this thing in TFA looks like just a silly Wiimusic-style toy.</p><p>But I disagree that there can't be any such thing as a genuinely good synthetic instrument. There might not be yet (or there might be- I just don't know), but there's nothing fundamentally wrong about the concept. We can already make computers produce stunning quality of sound- the main problem is getting the control system right. A violin or a grand piano is a hugely nuanced device- if a similarly complex but intuitive system could be developed for computerized music, I don't doubt that it would be possible to create stunning musical sound out of one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What you 're basically saying ( and I agree ) is that the quality of an " orchestra " is directly related to the quality of the instruments.Classic instruments and nuanced and perfected over centuries of development- and this thing in TFA looks like just a silly Wiimusic-style toy.But I disagree that there ca n't be any such thing as a genuinely good synthetic instrument .
There might not be yet ( or there might be- I just do n't know ) , but there 's nothing fundamentally wrong about the concept .
We can already make computers produce stunning quality of sound- the main problem is getting the control system right .
A violin or a grand piano is a hugely nuanced device- if a similarly complex but intuitive system could be developed for computerized music , I do n't doubt that it would be possible to create stunning musical sound out of one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you're basically saying (and I agree) is that the quality of an "orchestra" is directly related to the quality of the instruments.Classic instruments and nuanced and perfected over centuries of development- and this thing in TFA looks like just a silly Wiimusic-style toy.But I disagree that there can't be any such thing as a genuinely good synthetic instrument.
There might not be yet (or there might be- I just don't know), but there's nothing fundamentally wrong about the concept.
We can already make computers produce stunning quality of sound- the main problem is getting the control system right.
A violin or a grand piano is a hugely nuanced device- if a similarly complex but intuitive system could be developed for computerized music, I don't doubt that it would be possible to create stunning musical sound out of one.</sentencetext>
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	<htmltext><p>SLOrk is basically an attempt to do something like a traditional orchestra but for computer music. A bunch of people on laptops with various control devices attached, with various parts assigned. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmszXmks2EI" title="youtube.com">Here's</a> [youtube.com] an ABC News segment on them.</p><p>It's from the guy who developed <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChucK" title="wikipedia.org">ChucK</a> [wikipedia.org], which I think they use, but I don't think the orchestra does <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer\_music#Live\_coding" title="wikipedia.org">livecoding</a> [wikipedia.org], which is what ChucK is best known for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SLOrk is basically an attempt to do something like a traditional orchestra but for computer music .
A bunch of people on laptops with various control devices attached , with various parts assigned .
Here 's [ youtube.com ] an ABC News segment on them.It 's from the guy who developed ChucK [ wikipedia.org ] , which I think they use , but I do n't think the orchestra does livecoding [ wikipedia.org ] , which is what ChucK is best known for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SLOrk is basically an attempt to do something like a traditional orchestra but for computer music.
A bunch of people on laptops with various control devices attached, with various parts assigned.
Here's [youtube.com] an ABC News segment on them.It's from the guy who developed ChucK [wikipedia.org], which I think they use, but I don't think the orchestra does livecoding [wikipedia.org], which is what ChucK is best known for.</sentencetext>
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