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	<title>Novelists On the E-Book Experience</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1259864400000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"How is reading different on a Kindle, a Nook, or an iPhone?    The NY Times <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/03/technology/personaltech/03AUTHORS.html">asked two writers what they thought</a>. <a href="http://www.josephfinder.com/">Joseph Finder</a>, the author of thrillers, misses the indices compiled by humans and finds it annoying the way that all of the fonts are the same. <a href="http://www.leechild.com/">Lee Child</a>, author of the Jack Reacher novels, actually likes the simplicity because he can concentrate on the words themselves. And then there's the issue of monopoly, which must give the authors the willies."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " How is reading different on a Kindle , a Nook , or an iPhone ?
The NY Times asked two writers what they thought .
Joseph Finder , the author of thrillers , misses the indices compiled by humans and finds it annoying the way that all of the fonts are the same .
Lee Child , author of the Jack Reacher novels , actually likes the simplicity because he can concentrate on the words themselves .
And then there 's the issue of monopoly , which must give the authors the willies .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "How is reading different on a Kindle, a Nook, or an iPhone?
The NY Times asked two writers what they thought.
Joseph Finder, the author of thrillers, misses the indices compiled by humans and finds it annoying the way that all of the fonts are the same.
Lee Child, author of the Jack Reacher novels, actually likes the simplicity because he can concentrate on the words themselves.
And then there's the issue of monopoly, which must give the authors the willies.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314036</id>
	<title>Haven't seen an increase</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259869380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While the Kindle and Sony eReader have been coming down in price and being heard of more, I haven't seen an increase in PDF sales from the RPG/Fantasy front. Speaking with many of the indie publishers at sites like rpgnow.com and paizo.com has pretty much confirmed this. Maybe once they become mainstream... (mainstream = I walk around San Jose State university and see every other person on the park benches reading an eReader of sorts instead of on their laptop or phones)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While the Kindle and Sony eReader have been coming down in price and being heard of more , I have n't seen an increase in PDF sales from the RPG/Fantasy front .
Speaking with many of the indie publishers at sites like rpgnow.com and paizo.com has pretty much confirmed this .
Maybe once they become mainstream... ( mainstream = I walk around San Jose State university and see every other person on the park benches reading an eReader of sorts instead of on their laptop or phones )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While the Kindle and Sony eReader have been coming down in price and being heard of more, I haven't seen an increase in PDF sales from the RPG/Fantasy front.
Speaking with many of the indie publishers at sites like rpgnow.com and paizo.com has pretty much confirmed this.
Maybe once they become mainstream... (mainstream = I walk around San Jose State university and see every other person on the park benches reading an eReader of sorts instead of on their laptop or phones)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30318200</id>
	<title>Re:Comfort and Freedom are their Best Aspects</title>
	<author>AmiMoJo</author>
	<datestamp>1259842080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If only they could get the screen refresh rate up so you could read textbooks and PDFs properly... There are huge amounts of free books, magazines and scanned books (Google Books etc) but at the moment you can't access them on an e-reader because they are designed for a page larger than the screen and scrolling/zooming takes 2 seconds per screen update.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If only they could get the screen refresh rate up so you could read textbooks and PDFs properly... There are huge amounts of free books , magazines and scanned books ( Google Books etc ) but at the moment you ca n't access them on an e-reader because they are designed for a page larger than the screen and scrolling/zooming takes 2 seconds per screen update .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If only they could get the screen refresh rate up so you could read textbooks and PDFs properly... There are huge amounts of free books, magazines and scanned books (Google Books etc) but at the moment you can't access them on an e-reader because they are designed for a page larger than the screen and scrolling/zooming takes 2 seconds per screen update.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30316622</id>
	<title>Re:Another passing fad</title>
	<author>Brandee07</author>
	<datestamp>1259836320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're a new market, and the price has already come down considerably. The old iLiads were $800+. The first Kindle was $400. Now, a new Kindle2 is $260. If that's still too rich for your blood, then wait a couple years. Electronics get cheaper.</p><p>The primary benefit of an ebook reader over a netbook is the eInk screen, which is also the most expensive part of the device. If reading off a computer screen doesn't bother you at all, then go ahead and get your ebooks that way. Most of these companies, including B&amp;N and Amazon, allow books purchased from them to be read on their PC software, and you can get books from any number of other sources too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're a new market , and the price has already come down considerably .
The old iLiads were $ 800 + .
The first Kindle was $ 400 .
Now , a new Kindle2 is $ 260 .
If that 's still too rich for your blood , then wait a couple years .
Electronics get cheaper.The primary benefit of an ebook reader over a netbook is the eInk screen , which is also the most expensive part of the device .
If reading off a computer screen does n't bother you at all , then go ahead and get your ebooks that way .
Most of these companies , including B&amp;N and Amazon , allow books purchased from them to be read on their PC software , and you can get books from any number of other sources too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're a new market, and the price has already come down considerably.
The old iLiads were $800+.
The first Kindle was $400.
Now, a new Kindle2 is $260.
If that's still too rich for your blood, then wait a couple years.
Electronics get cheaper.The primary benefit of an ebook reader over a netbook is the eInk screen, which is also the most expensive part of the device.
If reading off a computer screen doesn't bother you at all, then go ahead and get your ebooks that way.
Most of these companies, including B&amp;N and Amazon, allow books purchased from them to be read on their PC software, and you can get books from any number of other sources too.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30318424</id>
	<title>Re:No problem</title>
	<author>JesseMcDonald</author>
	<datestamp>1259843040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There is no source that I know of for new, legal novels without DRM.</p></div><p>Here's one: <a href="http://webscription.net/" title="webscription.net">WebScription.Net</a> [webscription.net]. They specialize in sci-fi and fantasy novels, all available in several DRM-free e-book formats, including MOBI, EPUB, and plain HTML.</p><p>Not affiliated, just a happy customer.</p></div>
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<tokenext>There is no source that I know of for new , legal novels without DRM.Here 's one : WebScription.Net [ webscription.net ] .
They specialize in sci-fi and fantasy novels , all available in several DRM-free e-book formats , including MOBI , EPUB , and plain HTML.Not affiliated , just a happy customer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no source that I know of for new, legal novels without DRM.Here's one: WebScription.Net [webscription.net].
They specialize in sci-fi and fantasy novels, all available in several DRM-free e-book formats, including MOBI, EPUB, and plain HTML.Not affiliated, just a happy customer.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314452</id>
	<title>Re:Lee Childs? I don't think so</title>
	<author>LatencyKills</author>
	<datestamp>1259871060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The man's a bestseller so clearly he appeals to someone; that someone is just not you.  I've read four or five Reacher novels.  They read like action movies - low brain power, lots of explosions - and for that I find his style enjoyable.  Like Robert Parker, you can literally read the entire novel in about 3 hours.  Easy to take, easy to forget.  If suddenly I was the supreme arbiter on what constitutes an entertaining book, Stephanie Meyer would be mopping floors as McDonalds.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The man 's a bestseller so clearly he appeals to someone ; that someone is just not you .
I 've read four or five Reacher novels .
They read like action movies - low brain power , lots of explosions - and for that I find his style enjoyable .
Like Robert Parker , you can literally read the entire novel in about 3 hours .
Easy to take , easy to forget .
If suddenly I was the supreme arbiter on what constitutes an entertaining book , Stephanie Meyer would be mopping floors as McDonalds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The man's a bestseller so clearly he appeals to someone; that someone is just not you.
I've read four or five Reacher novels.
They read like action movies - low brain power, lots of explosions - and for that I find his style enjoyable.
Like Robert Parker, you can literally read the entire novel in about 3 hours.
Easy to take, easy to forget.
If suddenly I was the supreme arbiter on what constitutes an entertaining book, Stephanie Meyer would be mopping floors as McDonalds.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30316022</id>
	<title>Re:Consider the source</title>
	<author>tool462</author>
	<datestamp>1259834220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are a couple of places I can think of where font-control can be useful for the writer.</p><p>Technical books -- particularly programming books.  They will frequently use the font to separate code from text visually.<br>Various forms of fiction that may make use of flashbacks, multiple plot threads, etc, using various fonts to separate the pieces without having to explicitly state what context they are jumping to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are a couple of places I can think of where font-control can be useful for the writer.Technical books -- particularly programming books .
They will frequently use the font to separate code from text visually.Various forms of fiction that may make use of flashbacks , multiple plot threads , etc , using various fonts to separate the pieces without having to explicitly state what context they are jumping to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are a couple of places I can think of where font-control can be useful for the writer.Technical books -- particularly programming books.
They will frequently use the font to separate code from text visually.Various forms of fiction that may make use of flashbacks, multiple plot threads, etc, using various fonts to separate the pieces without having to explicitly state what context they are jumping to.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314600</id>
	<title>Others might disagree, obviously</title>
	<author>Mathinker</author>
	<datestamp>1259871660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Basically everything but the Kindle is opening up.  Everyone is switching to at least supporting ePub, and a number of stores sell only ePub now instead of their formerly proprietary format (like Sony).  Eventually even the Kindle will have to compete or die as competition grows via the ePub format.</p></div><p>Supporting a common DRM standard is good, but far from "opening up".</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Your requirement of a lack of DRM is, frankly, silly.  This is the modern digital age - you will not be able to avoid DRM completely no matter what you do.  Do you refuse to watch DVD's because they have copy protection?  Because that's all DRM systems are.  Plus, aside from the Kindle, they are not a requirement.  You can create your own ePub or PDF documents and read them on most ebook readers (again, excluding Kindle), and people can sell non-DRM files if the market demands it.  DRM also allows Libraries to lend e-books, soemthing they could not legally do without it.  Several readers support this now, and libraries are starting to pick it up.  Once again, that excludes the Kindle (can you tell I don't like Kindle's lock-in?).</p></div><p>I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Some people here on Slashdot claim that they don't buy Blu-ray disks at least partially because their DRM hasn't been broken so wide open that it's still inconvenient to do all kinds of things like back them up or work around unskippable content. Since you compare ebook DRM to CSS, are you saying that DRM for text is ridiculously weak anyway (which is true) so no one, including the GP, should worry about it?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Lastly, your complaint about re-buying books is unavoidable.  One is on paper, the other is digital, and it's not easy to go from one to the other without good OCR technology.  This would be expensive for home use, but if you already had a nice camera, were really really dedicated to getting your books on PC, and didn't mind chopping up your paper books, you could do this if you wanted to.  Personally, I wouldn't.  If you really read the book that often then just fork out the few extra bucks to buy it again.  If you do incrimentally you will eventually have your entire library, and it won't hurt the pocket book as much as trying to do it all at once.</p></div><p>He might also be able to find quite a few of these books already available (illegally) online, and might feel that it is morally OK to just obtain a DRM-free copy from there. I think that <i>a lot</i> of people would agree with him, also.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Basically everything but the Kindle is opening up .
Everyone is switching to at least supporting ePub , and a number of stores sell only ePub now instead of their formerly proprietary format ( like Sony ) .
Eventually even the Kindle will have to compete or die as competition grows via the ePub format.Supporting a common DRM standard is good , but far from " opening up " .Your requirement of a lack of DRM is , frankly , silly .
This is the modern digital age - you will not be able to avoid DRM completely no matter what you do .
Do you refuse to watch DVD 's because they have copy protection ?
Because that 's all DRM systems are .
Plus , aside from the Kindle , they are not a requirement .
You can create your own ePub or PDF documents and read them on most ebook readers ( again , excluding Kindle ) , and people can sell non-DRM files if the market demands it .
DRM also allows Libraries to lend e-books , soemthing they could not legally do without it .
Several readers support this now , and libraries are starting to pick it up .
Once again , that excludes the Kindle ( can you tell I do n't like Kindle 's lock-in ?
) .I 'm not sure what you 're trying to say .
Some people here on Slashdot claim that they do n't buy Blu-ray disks at least partially because their DRM has n't been broken so wide open that it 's still inconvenient to do all kinds of things like back them up or work around unskippable content .
Since you compare ebook DRM to CSS , are you saying that DRM for text is ridiculously weak anyway ( which is true ) so no one , including the GP , should worry about it ? Lastly , your complaint about re-buying books is unavoidable .
One is on paper , the other is digital , and it 's not easy to go from one to the other without good OCR technology .
This would be expensive for home use , but if you already had a nice camera , were really really dedicated to getting your books on PC , and did n't mind chopping up your paper books , you could do this if you wanted to .
Personally , I would n't .
If you really read the book that often then just fork out the few extra bucks to buy it again .
If you do incrimentally you will eventually have your entire library , and it wo n't hurt the pocket book as much as trying to do it all at once.He might also be able to find quite a few of these books already available ( illegally ) online , and might feel that it is morally OK to just obtain a DRM-free copy from there .
I think that a lot of people would agree with him , also .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Basically everything but the Kindle is opening up.
Everyone is switching to at least supporting ePub, and a number of stores sell only ePub now instead of their formerly proprietary format (like Sony).
Eventually even the Kindle will have to compete or die as competition grows via the ePub format.Supporting a common DRM standard is good, but far from "opening up".Your requirement of a lack of DRM is, frankly, silly.
This is the modern digital age - you will not be able to avoid DRM completely no matter what you do.
Do you refuse to watch DVD's because they have copy protection?
Because that's all DRM systems are.
Plus, aside from the Kindle, they are not a requirement.
You can create your own ePub or PDF documents and read them on most ebook readers (again, excluding Kindle), and people can sell non-DRM files if the market demands it.
DRM also allows Libraries to lend e-books, soemthing they could not legally do without it.
Several readers support this now, and libraries are starting to pick it up.
Once again, that excludes the Kindle (can you tell I don't like Kindle's lock-in?
).I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
Some people here on Slashdot claim that they don't buy Blu-ray disks at least partially because their DRM hasn't been broken so wide open that it's still inconvenient to do all kinds of things like back them up or work around unskippable content.
Since you compare ebook DRM to CSS, are you saying that DRM for text is ridiculously weak anyway (which is true) so no one, including the GP, should worry about it?Lastly, your complaint about re-buying books is unavoidable.
One is on paper, the other is digital, and it's not easy to go from one to the other without good OCR technology.
This would be expensive for home use, but if you already had a nice camera, were really really dedicated to getting your books on PC, and didn't mind chopping up your paper books, you could do this if you wanted to.
Personally, I wouldn't.
If you really read the book that often then just fork out the few extra bucks to buy it again.
If you do incrimentally you will eventually have your entire library, and it won't hurt the pocket book as much as trying to do it all at once.He might also be able to find quite a few of these books already available (illegally) online, and might feel that it is morally OK to just obtain a DRM-free copy from there.
I think that a lot of people would agree with him, also.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30315128</id>
	<title>Re:Wait for interoperability</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259873880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There USED to be approx five different major ecosystems (Sony, Mobipocket, Kindle, PDF, ePUB) plus a smattering of smaller ones.</p><p>Adobe killed their proprietary ebook stuff a while ago and are now the leading manufacturer of the server side of the ePUB ecosystem.</p><p>Amazon bought Mobipocket a few years ago and the Kindle DRM is basically Mobipocket. Amazon licenses the Mobi DRM scheme to device manufacturers but refuses to license it for inclusion in any device that will also support ePUB.</p><p>Sony is killing their proprietary LRF format and moving to ePub. Sony even went so far as to do a software upgrade to their original PRS 500 reader, a device that hasn't been sold in several years; and they even picked up the tab of next day shipping in both directions.</p><p>So you've basically got 2 formats and DRM schemes - Mobi/Kindle and ePUB.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There USED to be approx five different major ecosystems ( Sony , Mobipocket , Kindle , PDF , ePUB ) plus a smattering of smaller ones.Adobe killed their proprietary ebook stuff a while ago and are now the leading manufacturer of the server side of the ePUB ecosystem.Amazon bought Mobipocket a few years ago and the Kindle DRM is basically Mobipocket .
Amazon licenses the Mobi DRM scheme to device manufacturers but refuses to license it for inclusion in any device that will also support ePUB.Sony is killing their proprietary LRF format and moving to ePub .
Sony even went so far as to do a software upgrade to their original PRS 500 reader , a device that has n't been sold in several years ; and they even picked up the tab of next day shipping in both directions.So you 've basically got 2 formats and DRM schemes - Mobi/Kindle and ePUB .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There USED to be approx five different major ecosystems (Sony, Mobipocket, Kindle, PDF, ePUB) plus a smattering of smaller ones.Adobe killed their proprietary ebook stuff a while ago and are now the leading manufacturer of the server side of the ePUB ecosystem.Amazon bought Mobipocket a few years ago and the Kindle DRM is basically Mobipocket.
Amazon licenses the Mobi DRM scheme to device manufacturers but refuses to license it for inclusion in any device that will also support ePUB.Sony is killing their proprietary LRF format and moving to ePub.
Sony even went so far as to do a software upgrade to their original PRS 500 reader, a device that hasn't been sold in several years; and they even picked up the tab of next day shipping in both directions.So you've basically got 2 formats and DRM schemes - Mobi/Kindle and ePUB.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314108</id>
	<title>Re:Fonts</title>
	<author>ChicoLance</author>
	<datestamp>1259869740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To me it wasn't so much the printed font, but the lack of all quotation marks which gave the physical text a stark feeling.  I have both a printed copy of "The Road" and a Kindle copy, and that starkness came through in both.</p><p>My other two cents:  The Kindle sucks for any reference type work.  I don't like reading newspapers or reference non-fiction because jumping around is awful.  This has potential of being solved soon, but now now.  The K2 came with a free cookbook that's just painful to use.</p><p>However, if you have a straight-though type text which includes most fiction where formatting isn't an issue, then it's a wonderful device.  Non-fiction that's mostly text and no graphs that you read through like a plain book is also not bad.</p><p>I like having several texts available to read from, and it's in my bag.  I think many people have also gotten into reading classic fiction that's out of copyright and freely available.  There are lots of good books out there, and I like having them all easily available to read.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; --Lance (Kindle 1 user for 2 years)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To me it was n't so much the printed font , but the lack of all quotation marks which gave the physical text a stark feeling .
I have both a printed copy of " The Road " and a Kindle copy , and that starkness came through in both.My other two cents : The Kindle sucks for any reference type work .
I do n't like reading newspapers or reference non-fiction because jumping around is awful .
This has potential of being solved soon , but now now .
The K2 came with a free cookbook that 's just painful to use.However , if you have a straight-though type text which includes most fiction where formatting is n't an issue , then it 's a wonderful device .
Non-fiction that 's mostly text and no graphs that you read through like a plain book is also not bad.I like having several texts available to read from , and it 's in my bag .
I think many people have also gotten into reading classic fiction that 's out of copyright and freely available .
There are lots of good books out there , and I like having them all easily available to read .
    --Lance ( Kindle 1 user for 2 years )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To me it wasn't so much the printed font, but the lack of all quotation marks which gave the physical text a stark feeling.
I have both a printed copy of "The Road" and a Kindle copy, and that starkness came through in both.My other two cents:  The Kindle sucks for any reference type work.
I don't like reading newspapers or reference non-fiction because jumping around is awful.
This has potential of being solved soon, but now now.
The K2 came with a free cookbook that's just painful to use.However, if you have a straight-though type text which includes most fiction where formatting isn't an issue, then it's a wonderful device.
Non-fiction that's mostly text and no graphs that you read through like a plain book is also not bad.I like having several texts available to read from, and it's in my bag.
I think many people have also gotten into reading classic fiction that's out of copyright and freely available.
There are lots of good books out there, and I like having them all easily available to read.
    --Lance (Kindle 1 user for 2 years)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30318620</id>
	<title>PRS-505</title>
	<author>^\_^x</author>
	<datestamp>1259844060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I got a Sony PRS-505 a while ago and one thing that surprised me is how many fonts I do see in plain text books - some from HTML, PDF, TXT, BBEB, LIT, they all seem to have a slightly different feel to them. No DRM either - well, I've never bought anything from the Sony bookstore - I have so many forms of text and comics on my PC it will be many a decade before I need to buy a DRM'ed ebook. Largely right now I'm using it to read textfiles of books I own on paper but haven't finished.</p><p>What greatly disappoints me is how many books show up as lines of text wrapping a line and a half across, then being punctuated by a one line gap between each line-and-a-half. It's not the most readable thing in the world, but there's no built in fix for it, so I'd have to fix the formatting and print it as a PDF, or mess around with autoconverting different kinds of line breaks and so on to get it to look halfway decent.</p><p>For manga though, it's slightly small, but pretty excellent. Just more black and grey rather than black and white.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I got a Sony PRS-505 a while ago and one thing that surprised me is how many fonts I do see in plain text books - some from HTML , PDF , TXT , BBEB , LIT , they all seem to have a slightly different feel to them .
No DRM either - well , I 've never bought anything from the Sony bookstore - I have so many forms of text and comics on my PC it will be many a decade before I need to buy a DRM'ed ebook .
Largely right now I 'm using it to read textfiles of books I own on paper but have n't finished.What greatly disappoints me is how many books show up as lines of text wrapping a line and a half across , then being punctuated by a one line gap between each line-and-a-half .
It 's not the most readable thing in the world , but there 's no built in fix for it , so I 'd have to fix the formatting and print it as a PDF , or mess around with autoconverting different kinds of line breaks and so on to get it to look halfway decent.For manga though , it 's slightly small , but pretty excellent .
Just more black and grey rather than black and white .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got a Sony PRS-505 a while ago and one thing that surprised me is how many fonts I do see in plain text books - some from HTML, PDF, TXT, BBEB, LIT, they all seem to have a slightly different feel to them.
No DRM either - well, I've never bought anything from the Sony bookstore - I have so many forms of text and comics on my PC it will be many a decade before I need to buy a DRM'ed ebook.
Largely right now I'm using it to read textfiles of books I own on paper but haven't finished.What greatly disappoints me is how many books show up as lines of text wrapping a line and a half across, then being punctuated by a one line gap between each line-and-a-half.
It's not the most readable thing in the world, but there's no built in fix for it, so I'd have to fix the formatting and print it as a PDF, or mess around with autoconverting different kinds of line breaks and so on to get it to look halfway decent.For manga though, it's slightly small, but pretty excellent.
Just more black and grey rather than black and white.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30316316</id>
	<title>then don't read "A Call to Arms"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259835480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <em> Lee Child, author of the Jack Reacher novels, actually likes the simplicity because he can concentrate on the words themselves.</em></p><p>Someone at work suggested I might like his books.  I found one at a used book stand and started reading.  The words to describe his writing style are stilted and simplistic.</p></div><p>Not that I've ever read anything by Lee Child, but "stilted and simplistic" can also be described as "characterized by economy and understatement" as is sometimes used to describe the writing of another <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest\_Hemingway" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest\_Hemingway</a> [wikipedia.org] author now considered to be American classics.  And, yes, the adjectives "stilted" and "simplistic" have also been applied to Hemingway's writings.</p><p>Hence the survival of the phrase "de gustibus non est disputandum"...</p></div>
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<tokenext>Lee Child , author of the Jack Reacher novels , actually likes the simplicity because he can concentrate on the words themselves.Someone at work suggested I might like his books .
I found one at a used book stand and started reading .
The words to describe his writing style are stilted and simplistic.Not that I 've ever read anything by Lee Child , but " stilted and simplistic " can also be described as " characterized by economy and understatement " as is sometimes used to describe the writing of another http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest \ _Hemingway [ wikipedia.org ] author now considered to be American classics .
And , yes , the adjectives " stilted " and " simplistic " have also been applied to Hemingway 's writings.Hence the survival of the phrase " de gustibus non est disputandum " .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  Lee Child, author of the Jack Reacher novels, actually likes the simplicity because he can concentrate on the words themselves.Someone at work suggested I might like his books.
I found one at a used book stand and started reading.
The words to describe his writing style are stilted and simplistic.Not that I've ever read anything by Lee Child, but "stilted and simplistic" can also be described as "characterized by economy and understatement" as is sometimes used to describe the writing of another http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest\_Hemingway [wikipedia.org] author now considered to be American classics.
And, yes, the adjectives "stilted" and "simplistic" have also been applied to Hemingway's writings.Hence the survival of the phrase "de gustibus non est disputandum"...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30317174</id>
	<title>epaper is too slow</title>
	<author>peter303</author>
	<datestamp>1259837940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It drives me crazy to see how long it takes for a page to flip</htmltext>
<tokenext>It drives me crazy to see how long it takes for a page to flip</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It drives me crazy to see how long it takes for a page to flip</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30321376</id>
	<title>Re:No problem</title>
	<author>vuffi\_raa</author>
	<datestamp>1259868300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am using an ez reader pocket pro by astak- no drm on the machine, can handle drm books though if needed (has adobe rights management) and was $199- also it is cool because it handles chm and rtf files which is great for documentation</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am using an ez reader pocket pro by astak- no drm on the machine , can handle drm books though if needed ( has adobe rights management ) and was $ 199- also it is cool because it handles chm and rtf files which is great for documentation</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am using an ez reader pocket pro by astak- no drm on the machine, can handle drm books though if needed (has adobe rights management) and was $199- also it is cool because it handles chm and rtf files which is great for documentation</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30313806</id>
	<title>Fonts</title>
	<author>dazedNconfuzed</author>
	<datestamp>1259868480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>finds it annoying the way that all of the fonts are the same.</i></p><p>One thing that made "The Road" striking was indeed the unique font, which shared a touch of the same depressing tone as the terse text. Times New Roman et al would have degraded the reading experience.</p><p>When might we see eBook readers which allow inclusion of text-specific fonts?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>finds it annoying the way that all of the fonts are the same.One thing that made " The Road " striking was indeed the unique font , which shared a touch of the same depressing tone as the terse text .
Times New Roman et al would have degraded the reading experience.When might we see eBook readers which allow inclusion of text-specific fonts ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>finds it annoying the way that all of the fonts are the same.One thing that made "The Road" striking was indeed the unique font, which shared a touch of the same depressing tone as the terse text.
Times New Roman et al would have degraded the reading experience.When might we see eBook readers which allow inclusion of text-specific fonts?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30318040</id>
	<title>Re:No problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259841300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Download the books you've already bought? Apparently there are plenty of books out there on p2p.</p><p>Of course it's illegal, but then so is ripping a CD you bought to your mp3 player (here in the UK), and that doesn't mean no one buys mp3 players. That's a problem with the laws, not the product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Download the books you 've already bought ?
Apparently there are plenty of books out there on p2p.Of course it 's illegal , but then so is ripping a CD you bought to your mp3 player ( here in the UK ) , and that does n't mean no one buys mp3 players .
That 's a problem with the laws , not the product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Download the books you've already bought?
Apparently there are plenty of books out there on p2p.Of course it's illegal, but then so is ripping a CD you bought to your mp3 player (here in the UK), and that doesn't mean no one buys mp3 players.
That's a problem with the laws, not the product.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314096</id>
	<title>Re:Fonts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259869620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We already have them.  Epub (which is the industry standard ebook format) allows you to include your own fonts and style the whole book or parts of it using those fonts via CSS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We already have them .
Epub ( which is the industry standard ebook format ) allows you to include your own fonts and style the whole book or parts of it using those fonts via CSS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We already have them.
Epub (which is the industry standard ebook format) allows you to include your own fonts and style the whole book or parts of it using those fonts via CSS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314146</id>
	<title>Re:Wait for interoperability</title>
	<author>DragonWriter</author>
	<datestamp>1259869860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>There are now four or five e-book readers, each with their own incompatible "ecosystem". ntil that settles down, don't get one. Most of them are going to fail, and you'll lose your content.</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, if you mean the linked bookstores, sure, that's a risk. Of course, all of them will read at least oneof the common formats (e.g., Mobi, ePub), and many ebook publishers sell multi-format e-Books on the web which you can download and use with any compatible device (even the ones that aren't dedicated readers.)</p></div>
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<tokenext>There are now four or five e-book readers , each with their own incompatible " ecosystem " .
ntil that settles down , do n't get one .
Most of them are going to fail , and you 'll lose your content.Well , if you mean the linked bookstores , sure , that 's a risk .
Of course , all of them will read at least oneof the common formats ( e.g. , Mobi , ePub ) , and many ebook publishers sell multi-format e-Books on the web which you can download and use with any compatible device ( even the ones that are n't dedicated readers .
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<sentencetext>There are now four or five e-book readers, each with their own incompatible "ecosystem".
ntil that settles down, don't get one.
Most of them are going to fail, and you'll lose your content.Well, if you mean the linked bookstores, sure, that's a risk.
Of course, all of them will read at least oneof the common formats (e.g., Mobi, ePub), and many ebook publishers sell multi-format e-Books on the web which you can download and use with any compatible device (even the ones that aren't dedicated readers.
)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314024</id>
	<title>Interface</title>
	<author>lymond01</author>
	<datestamp>1259869320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having never used one of these Nooks or Kindles, I know that this is a feature I would like:</p><p>To be able to press my finger to a page which will then put the book on its binder, pages facing me.  Then I could slide my finger back and forth to a random spot and let go...and the book would open to that page.  This is how I re-read books I really liked the first time through...they sit on my bedstand and when I want to read a bit, I just pick it up and open it to some random spot.</p><p>If I have to type in a page number or some such nonsense from the 1900s, I'll wait until my feature is included.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having never used one of these Nooks or Kindles , I know that this is a feature I would like : To be able to press my finger to a page which will then put the book on its binder , pages facing me .
Then I could slide my finger back and forth to a random spot and let go...and the book would open to that page .
This is how I re-read books I really liked the first time through...they sit on my bedstand and when I want to read a bit , I just pick it up and open it to some random spot.If I have to type in a page number or some such nonsense from the 1900s , I 'll wait until my feature is included .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having never used one of these Nooks or Kindles, I know that this is a feature I would like:To be able to press my finger to a page which will then put the book on its binder, pages facing me.
Then I could slide my finger back and forth to a random spot and let go...and the book would open to that page.
This is how I re-read books I really liked the first time through...they sit on my bedstand and when I want to read a bit, I just pick it up and open it to some random spot.If I have to type in a page number or some such nonsense from the 1900s, I'll wait until my feature is included.
:-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30315192</id>
	<title>Re:Haven't seen an increase</title>
	<author>oracleofbargth</author>
	<datestamp>1259830800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>While the Kindle and Sony eReader have been coming down in price and being heard of more, I haven't seen an increase in PDF sales from the RPG/Fantasy front.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>
Speaking of gaming books, one issue here is probably the cost of the devices themselves.  I may have over a thousand dollars worth of gaming books on my shelf, but they were all bought for $15 to $35.
</p><p>
While I had significant disposable income in college, now I only occasionally (1 or 2 times per year) have the spare money to shell out $20 to $30 for a new gaming book, and it is truly rare to find myself with a spare $250 to $500 to spend on a single purpose piece of electronics.  Most other gamers I know have similar financial situations.
</p><p>
Further, I find it inconvenient that many publishers insist on charging the same amount for a PDF as they charge for a hardcover of the same title.  $40 is more than I am willing to pay for a PDF when I can get a nice hardback for the same price.  It would make much more sense to me to discount the electronic copy by an amount similar to the printing costs.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>While the Kindle and Sony eReader have been coming down in price and being heard of more , I have n't seen an increase in PDF sales from the RPG/Fantasy front .
.. . Speaking of gaming books , one issue here is probably the cost of the devices themselves .
I may have over a thousand dollars worth of gaming books on my shelf , but they were all bought for $ 15 to $ 35 .
While I had significant disposable income in college , now I only occasionally ( 1 or 2 times per year ) have the spare money to shell out $ 20 to $ 30 for a new gaming book , and it is truly rare to find myself with a spare $ 250 to $ 500 to spend on a single purpose piece of electronics .
Most other gamers I know have similar financial situations .
Further , I find it inconvenient that many publishers insist on charging the same amount for a PDF as they charge for a hardcover of the same title .
$ 40 is more than I am willing to pay for a PDF when I can get a nice hardback for the same price .
It would make much more sense to me to discount the electronic copy by an amount similar to the printing costs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While the Kindle and Sony eReader have been coming down in price and being heard of more, I haven't seen an increase in PDF sales from the RPG/Fantasy front.
...
Speaking of gaming books, one issue here is probably the cost of the devices themselves.
I may have over a thousand dollars worth of gaming books on my shelf, but they were all bought for $15 to $35.
While I had significant disposable income in college, now I only occasionally (1 or 2 times per year) have the spare money to shell out $20 to $30 for a new gaming book, and it is truly rare to find myself with a spare $250 to $500 to spend on a single purpose piece of electronics.
Most other gamers I know have similar financial situations.
Further, I find it inconvenient that many publishers insist on charging the same amount for a PDF as they charge for a hardcover of the same title.
$40 is more than I am willing to pay for a PDF when I can get a nice hardback for the same price.
It would make much more sense to me to discount the electronic copy by an amount similar to the printing costs.

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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30316908</id>
	<title>FUD around ebook readers</title>
	<author>sunweasel</author>
	<datestamp>1259837100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From my perspective many of the arguments against these readers don't really hold water. True, Amazon can remove an item from your kindle without your consent but I only recall that happening once and they apologized for their mistake. The mistake was that they made a book available for free download that turned out to have had rights attached to it. Since they had provided the book by mistake they felt it their obligation to correct that mistake. They screwed up, no question but that is a corner case and it is silly to worry about content you've paid for being deleted because of that corner case.

I bought a kindle last summer, not because I love gadgets and can't wait to hack my kindle so I can use it to vi all my important documents. I bought the kindle because I love to read and I travel. I like being able to carry a collection of reference books and novels. I love the builtin dictionary so that I can get the definitions as needed instead of writing the word down for lookup later if I get around to it. It's convenient and kinda nice that I don't have paper books cluttering up my apartment that I invariably forget to bring with me on a trip.

They are expensive, no question but the solution for that is nothing more than volume and competition. Since other vendors are entering the space I think it is inevitable that prices will come down and at least possible that a common format will be adopted by all of them. Meanwhile, I'll enjoy reading.</htmltext>
<tokenext>From my perspective many of the arguments against these readers do n't really hold water .
True , Amazon can remove an item from your kindle without your consent but I only recall that happening once and they apologized for their mistake .
The mistake was that they made a book available for free download that turned out to have had rights attached to it .
Since they had provided the book by mistake they felt it their obligation to correct that mistake .
They screwed up , no question but that is a corner case and it is silly to worry about content you 've paid for being deleted because of that corner case .
I bought a kindle last summer , not because I love gadgets and ca n't wait to hack my kindle so I can use it to vi all my important documents .
I bought the kindle because I love to read and I travel .
I like being able to carry a collection of reference books and novels .
I love the builtin dictionary so that I can get the definitions as needed instead of writing the word down for lookup later if I get around to it .
It 's convenient and kinda nice that I do n't have paper books cluttering up my apartment that I invariably forget to bring with me on a trip .
They are expensive , no question but the solution for that is nothing more than volume and competition .
Since other vendors are entering the space I think it is inevitable that prices will come down and at least possible that a common format will be adopted by all of them .
Meanwhile , I 'll enjoy reading .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From my perspective many of the arguments against these readers don't really hold water.
True, Amazon can remove an item from your kindle without your consent but I only recall that happening once and they apologized for their mistake.
The mistake was that they made a book available for free download that turned out to have had rights attached to it.
Since they had provided the book by mistake they felt it their obligation to correct that mistake.
They screwed up, no question but that is a corner case and it is silly to worry about content you've paid for being deleted because of that corner case.
I bought a kindle last summer, not because I love gadgets and can't wait to hack my kindle so I can use it to vi all my important documents.
I bought the kindle because I love to read and I travel.
I like being able to carry a collection of reference books and novels.
I love the builtin dictionary so that I can get the definitions as needed instead of writing the word down for lookup later if I get around to it.
It's convenient and kinda nice that I don't have paper books cluttering up my apartment that I invariably forget to bring with me on a trip.
They are expensive, no question but the solution for that is nothing more than volume and competition.
Since other vendors are entering the space I think it is inevitable that prices will come down and at least possible that a common format will be adopted by all of them.
Meanwhile, I'll enjoy reading.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314072</id>
	<title>Re:No problem</title>
	<author>Bigjeff5</author>
	<datestamp>1259869560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Basically everything but the Kindle is opening up.  Everyone is switching to at least supporting ePub, and a number of stores sell only ePub now instead of their formerly proprietary format (like Sony).  Eventually even the Kindle will have to compete or die as competition grows via the ePub format.</p><p>Your requirement of a lack of DRM is, frankly, silly.  This is the modern digital age - you will not be able to avoid DRM completely no matter what you do.  Do you refuse to watch DVD's because they have copy protection?  Because that's all DRM systems are.  Plus, aside from the Kindle, they are not a requirement.  You can create your own ePub or PDF documents and read them on most ebook readers (again, excluding Kindle), and people can sell non-DRM files if the market demands it.  DRM also allows Libraries to lend e-books, soemthing they could not legally do without it.  Several readers support this now, and libraries are starting to pick it up.  Once again, that excludes the Kindle (can you tell I don't like Kindle's lock-in?).</p><p>The cheapest new e-book reader out is $200, which is quite reasonable given the technology.  That single purchase alone, thanks to Google Books and Project Gutenberg, puts millions of public domain books in your lap that would have been painful to read previously.</p><p>Lastly, your complaint about re-buying books is unavoidable.  One is on paper, the other is digital, and it's not easy to go from one to the other without good OCR technology.  This would be expensive for home use, but if you already had a nice camera, were really really dedicated to getting your books on PC, and didn't mind chopping up your paper books, you could do this if you wanted to.  Personally, I wouldn't.  If you really read the book that often then just fork out the few extra bucks to buy it again.  If you do incrimentally you will eventually have your entire library, and it won't hurt the pocket book as much as trying to do it all at once.</p><p>Last but not least, if the reason you want an e-book reader is for technical books and dense PDFs, then you are going to need to spend some coin.  You will be severly disappointed when you try to read a tech manual on a novel-sized screen, it sucks.  Right now you're looking at $500+ to get a decent sized screen, and right now most of the really big e-readers are very over-priced.  The target for those is a smaller group of people who can spend more money - lower demand but higher willingness to spend = higher prices.</p><p>I'm waiting for the Plastic Logic Que (should be out early 2010) for this specific purpose, myself, and keeping my small e-book reader for reading books.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Basically everything but the Kindle is opening up .
Everyone is switching to at least supporting ePub , and a number of stores sell only ePub now instead of their formerly proprietary format ( like Sony ) .
Eventually even the Kindle will have to compete or die as competition grows via the ePub format.Your requirement of a lack of DRM is , frankly , silly .
This is the modern digital age - you will not be able to avoid DRM completely no matter what you do .
Do you refuse to watch DVD 's because they have copy protection ?
Because that 's all DRM systems are .
Plus , aside from the Kindle , they are not a requirement .
You can create your own ePub or PDF documents and read them on most ebook readers ( again , excluding Kindle ) , and people can sell non-DRM files if the market demands it .
DRM also allows Libraries to lend e-books , soemthing they could not legally do without it .
Several readers support this now , and libraries are starting to pick it up .
Once again , that excludes the Kindle ( can you tell I do n't like Kindle 's lock-in ?
) .The cheapest new e-book reader out is $ 200 , which is quite reasonable given the technology .
That single purchase alone , thanks to Google Books and Project Gutenberg , puts millions of public domain books in your lap that would have been painful to read previously.Lastly , your complaint about re-buying books is unavoidable .
One is on paper , the other is digital , and it 's not easy to go from one to the other without good OCR technology .
This would be expensive for home use , but if you already had a nice camera , were really really dedicated to getting your books on PC , and did n't mind chopping up your paper books , you could do this if you wanted to .
Personally , I would n't .
If you really read the book that often then just fork out the few extra bucks to buy it again .
If you do incrimentally you will eventually have your entire library , and it wo n't hurt the pocket book as much as trying to do it all at once.Last but not least , if the reason you want an e-book reader is for technical books and dense PDFs , then you are going to need to spend some coin .
You will be severly disappointed when you try to read a tech manual on a novel-sized screen , it sucks .
Right now you 're looking at $ 500 + to get a decent sized screen , and right now most of the really big e-readers are very over-priced .
The target for those is a smaller group of people who can spend more money - lower demand but higher willingness to spend = higher prices.I 'm waiting for the Plastic Logic Que ( should be out early 2010 ) for this specific purpose , myself , and keeping my small e-book reader for reading books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Basically everything but the Kindle is opening up.
Everyone is switching to at least supporting ePub, and a number of stores sell only ePub now instead of their formerly proprietary format (like Sony).
Eventually even the Kindle will have to compete or die as competition grows via the ePub format.Your requirement of a lack of DRM is, frankly, silly.
This is the modern digital age - you will not be able to avoid DRM completely no matter what you do.
Do you refuse to watch DVD's because they have copy protection?
Because that's all DRM systems are.
Plus, aside from the Kindle, they are not a requirement.
You can create your own ePub or PDF documents and read them on most ebook readers (again, excluding Kindle), and people can sell non-DRM files if the market demands it.
DRM also allows Libraries to lend e-books, soemthing they could not legally do without it.
Several readers support this now, and libraries are starting to pick it up.
Once again, that excludes the Kindle (can you tell I don't like Kindle's lock-in?
).The cheapest new e-book reader out is $200, which is quite reasonable given the technology.
That single purchase alone, thanks to Google Books and Project Gutenberg, puts millions of public domain books in your lap that would have been painful to read previously.Lastly, your complaint about re-buying books is unavoidable.
One is on paper, the other is digital, and it's not easy to go from one to the other without good OCR technology.
This would be expensive for home use, but if you already had a nice camera, were really really dedicated to getting your books on PC, and didn't mind chopping up your paper books, you could do this if you wanted to.
Personally, I wouldn't.
If you really read the book that often then just fork out the few extra bucks to buy it again.
If you do incrimentally you will eventually have your entire library, and it won't hurt the pocket book as much as trying to do it all at once.Last but not least, if the reason you want an e-book reader is for technical books and dense PDFs, then you are going to need to spend some coin.
You will be severly disappointed when you try to read a tech manual on a novel-sized screen, it sucks.
Right now you're looking at $500+ to get a decent sized screen, and right now most of the really big e-readers are very over-priced.
The target for those is a smaller group of people who can spend more money - lower demand but higher willingness to spend = higher prices.I'm waiting for the Plastic Logic Que (should be out early 2010) for this specific purpose, myself, and keeping my small e-book reader for reading books.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314276</id>
	<title>Re:No problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259870460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Then get the Astak EZ Reader. It reads any format under the sun (including<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.djvu, which means you can put scanned documents on it), it is not tied in to any particular store, and it sells for $265. The battery lasts for 5,000 page turns, it takes a 4Gb SD card, and you can plug it into a USB port on your computer and treat it as a USB hard drive. I had it for 3 months and so far I have no complaints.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Then get the Astak EZ Reader .
It reads any format under the sun ( including .djvu , which means you can put scanned documents on it ) , it is not tied in to any particular store , and it sells for $ 265 .
The battery lasts for 5,000 page turns , it takes a 4Gb SD card , and you can plug it into a USB port on your computer and treat it as a USB hard drive .
I had it for 3 months and so far I have no complaints .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then get the Astak EZ Reader.
It reads any format under the sun (including .djvu, which means you can put scanned documents on it), it is not tied in to any particular store, and it sells for $265.
The battery lasts for 5,000 page turns, it takes a 4Gb SD card, and you can plug it into a USB port on your computer and treat it as a USB hard drive.
I had it for 3 months and so far I have no complaints.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30321818</id>
	<title>Apple should make an e-book reader</title>
	<author>socratesisamortal</author>
	<datestamp>1259918580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It all probability, ignoring DRM formats and the like, if Apple made an e-book reader it would blow the socks off all the current competition and force the standards to be raised. Again and again, Apple seems to create extremely awesome interfaces for "obvious" tasks like, portable music players and portable telephones.  I can just imagine how cool an Apple iBook would be<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It all probability , ignoring DRM formats and the like , if Apple made an e-book reader it would blow the socks off all the current competition and force the standards to be raised .
Again and again , Apple seems to create extremely awesome interfaces for " obvious " tasks like , portable music players and portable telephones .
I can just imagine how cool an Apple iBook would be : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It all probability, ignoring DRM formats and the like, if Apple made an e-book reader it would blow the socks off all the current competition and force the standards to be raised.
Again and again, Apple seems to create extremely awesome interfaces for "obvious" tasks like, portable music players and portable telephones.
I can just imagine how cool an Apple iBook would be :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30316390</id>
	<title>Re:Lee Childs? I don't think so</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259835720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The man's a bestseller so clearly he appeals to someone</i></p><p>Sure, and McDonalds sells billions of hamburgers so they must be good, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The man 's a bestseller so clearly he appeals to someoneSure , and McDonalds sells billions of hamburgers so they must be good , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The man's a bestseller so clearly he appeals to someoneSure, and McDonalds sells billions of hamburgers so they must be good, right?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314112</id>
	<title>Re:Wait for interoperability</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259869740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Any of them will work with non-DRM books. For example, O'Reilly tech books can be purchased in non-DRM digital form. You would only have to worry about losing access to DRM books if you get them from a company that may go bankrupt or stop making ebook readers.</p><p>Personally, I never re-read books, and I consider the probability of Amazon going bankrupt to be very small, anyway. So I have no worries with buying digital books from them, and I love my ebook reader.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Any of them will work with non-DRM books .
For example , O'Reilly tech books can be purchased in non-DRM digital form .
You would only have to worry about losing access to DRM books if you get them from a company that may go bankrupt or stop making ebook readers.Personally , I never re-read books , and I consider the probability of Amazon going bankrupt to be very small , anyway .
So I have no worries with buying digital books from them , and I love my ebook reader .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any of them will work with non-DRM books.
For example, O'Reilly tech books can be purchased in non-DRM digital form.
You would only have to worry about losing access to DRM books if you get them from a company that may go bankrupt or stop making ebook readers.Personally, I never re-read books, and I consider the probability of Amazon going bankrupt to be very small, anyway.
So I have no worries with buying digital books from them, and I love my ebook reader.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30320848</id>
	<title>Re:No problem</title>
	<author>cpt kangarooski</author>
	<datestamp>1259861520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>DRM also allows Libraries to lend e-books, soemthing they could not legally do without it.</i></p><p>It seems easier and better to me to simply change the law to permit them to do so without DRM, then.</p><p>(from your later post:)<br><i>It's a stupid argument because [publishing ebooks without DRM] will never happen (except on a select, book by book basis), and if we have a ubiquitous technology for managing legal copies, like ePub is fast becoming, it will only be a problem for people who wish to copy the material illegaly.</i></p><p>The music industry said they would never publish music without DRM, and now they do. Didn't even take very long for them to see the error of their ways.</p><p>But you're almost right. Eliminating DRM will never happen so long as quislings like yourself have that sort of self-harming defeatist attitude.</p><p>Further, DRM is a problem for people who wish to use DRM-encumbered works in any way that the copyright holder doesn't like, regardless of legality. It is legal to sell used books, but if the copyright holder decides that he doesn't like that, since he doesn't make money from it, he can effectively stop the used book trade in ebooks by making them non-functional.</p><p>This is intolerable.</p><p>I'm sitting on my couch, across from a massive bookcase occupying an entire wall up to the 12' high ceiling, which is full of books. And it isn't even the only bookcase I've got. I love reading, I love books, I frequently buy books, and check out books from the library, and borrow them from friends.</p><p>And I will never get one of these idiotic ebook readers, or buy an ebook until I can do so without having to suffer through yet another inane DRM system. This is not to say that I am against the concept of ebooks. I'm seriously considering getting a slate-format laptop and using it as a reader that I have significantly more control over (and which would have a bigger, better screen; there are too many books that a crude device like a Kindle can't even begin to display properly). I'll supply the books myself, whether via a homebuilt camera-based scanner that doesn't damage books, or other means.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DRM also allows Libraries to lend e-books , soemthing they could not legally do without it.It seems easier and better to me to simply change the law to permit them to do so without DRM , then .
( from your later post : ) It 's a stupid argument because [ publishing ebooks without DRM ] will never happen ( except on a select , book by book basis ) , and if we have a ubiquitous technology for managing legal copies , like ePub is fast becoming , it will only be a problem for people who wish to copy the material illegaly.The music industry said they would never publish music without DRM , and now they do .
Did n't even take very long for them to see the error of their ways.But you 're almost right .
Eliminating DRM will never happen so long as quislings like yourself have that sort of self-harming defeatist attitude.Further , DRM is a problem for people who wish to use DRM-encumbered works in any way that the copyright holder does n't like , regardless of legality .
It is legal to sell used books , but if the copyright holder decides that he does n't like that , since he does n't make money from it , he can effectively stop the used book trade in ebooks by making them non-functional.This is intolerable.I 'm sitting on my couch , across from a massive bookcase occupying an entire wall up to the 12 ' high ceiling , which is full of books .
And it is n't even the only bookcase I 've got .
I love reading , I love books , I frequently buy books , and check out books from the library , and borrow them from friends.And I will never get one of these idiotic ebook readers , or buy an ebook until I can do so without having to suffer through yet another inane DRM system .
This is not to say that I am against the concept of ebooks .
I 'm seriously considering getting a slate-format laptop and using it as a reader that I have significantly more control over ( and which would have a bigger , better screen ; there are too many books that a crude device like a Kindle ca n't even begin to display properly ) .
I 'll supply the books myself , whether via a homebuilt camera-based scanner that does n't damage books , or other means .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DRM also allows Libraries to lend e-books, soemthing they could not legally do without it.It seems easier and better to me to simply change the law to permit them to do so without DRM, then.
(from your later post:)It's a stupid argument because [publishing ebooks without DRM] will never happen (except on a select, book by book basis), and if we have a ubiquitous technology for managing legal copies, like ePub is fast becoming, it will only be a problem for people who wish to copy the material illegaly.The music industry said they would never publish music without DRM, and now they do.
Didn't even take very long for them to see the error of their ways.But you're almost right.
Eliminating DRM will never happen so long as quislings like yourself have that sort of self-harming defeatist attitude.Further, DRM is a problem for people who wish to use DRM-encumbered works in any way that the copyright holder doesn't like, regardless of legality.
It is legal to sell used books, but if the copyright holder decides that he doesn't like that, since he doesn't make money from it, he can effectively stop the used book trade in ebooks by making them non-functional.This is intolerable.I'm sitting on my couch, across from a massive bookcase occupying an entire wall up to the 12' high ceiling, which is full of books.
And it isn't even the only bookcase I've got.
I love reading, I love books, I frequently buy books, and check out books from the library, and borrow them from friends.And I will never get one of these idiotic ebook readers, or buy an ebook until I can do so without having to suffer through yet another inane DRM system.
This is not to say that I am against the concept of ebooks.
I'm seriously considering getting a slate-format laptop and using it as a reader that I have significantly more control over (and which would have a bigger, better screen; there are too many books that a crude device like a Kindle can't even begin to display properly).
I'll supply the books myself, whether via a homebuilt camera-based scanner that doesn't damage books, or other means.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314622</id>
	<title>Re:Wait for interoperability</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259871840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Kindle doesn't support any DRM format other than its own. Almost all of the other readers support the epub format with Adobe's DRM, which is also supported by many online ebook stores <em>and</em> public libraries. The Kindle is the odd man out, though unfortunately it's also the popular, well-marketed one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Kindle does n't support any DRM format other than its own .
Almost all of the other readers support the epub format with Adobe 's DRM , which is also supported by many online ebook stores and public libraries .
The Kindle is the odd man out , though unfortunately it 's also the popular , well-marketed one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Kindle doesn't support any DRM format other than its own.
Almost all of the other readers support the epub format with Adobe's DRM, which is also supported by many online ebook stores and public libraries.
The Kindle is the odd man out, though unfortunately it's also the popular, well-marketed one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30318282</id>
	<title>Re:No problem</title>
	<author>WuphonsReach</author>
	<datestamp>1259842380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The current crop of ebook readers are excellent for cover-to-cover reading (fiction, novels, etc.).<br>
<br>
They're not so good at random-access type reading with lots of page-flipping or fast navigation.  Some of that is lack of a good keyboard (although newer readers have such) to do searching, but the rest of it is the pause due to the e-ink technology.<br>
<br>
I've had a Sony PRS-505 for 2 years.  For leisure reading, it's hands-down excellent.  The unit is lightweight and easy to hold.  I've done more reading in the past 2 years then in the previous 5-6 years because the reader gives me uniform fonts, uniform text sizes (which I can enlarge if needed) and basically gets the hell out of my way so I can focus on the text.<br>
<br>
I jumped in once they dropped below $300.  Now you can get basic readers for under $200 (the Sony PRS-300 series).  Loaded it up with dozens of free books from Project Gutenberg and a few dozen purchased zero-DRM novels from Baen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The current crop of ebook readers are excellent for cover-to-cover reading ( fiction , novels , etc. ) .
They 're not so good at random-access type reading with lots of page-flipping or fast navigation .
Some of that is lack of a good keyboard ( although newer readers have such ) to do searching , but the rest of it is the pause due to the e-ink technology .
I 've had a Sony PRS-505 for 2 years .
For leisure reading , it 's hands-down excellent .
The unit is lightweight and easy to hold .
I 've done more reading in the past 2 years then in the previous 5-6 years because the reader gives me uniform fonts , uniform text sizes ( which I can enlarge if needed ) and basically gets the hell out of my way so I can focus on the text .
I jumped in once they dropped below $ 300 .
Now you can get basic readers for under $ 200 ( the Sony PRS-300 series ) .
Loaded it up with dozens of free books from Project Gutenberg and a few dozen purchased zero-DRM novels from Baen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The current crop of ebook readers are excellent for cover-to-cover reading (fiction, novels, etc.).
They're not so good at random-access type reading with lots of page-flipping or fast navigation.
Some of that is lack of a good keyboard (although newer readers have such) to do searching, but the rest of it is the pause due to the e-ink technology.
I've had a Sony PRS-505 for 2 years.
For leisure reading, it's hands-down excellent.
The unit is lightweight and easy to hold.
I've done more reading in the past 2 years then in the previous 5-6 years because the reader gives me uniform fonts, uniform text sizes (which I can enlarge if needed) and basically gets the hell out of my way so I can focus on the text.
I jumped in once they dropped below $300.
Now you can get basic readers for under $200 (the Sony PRS-300 series).
Loaded it up with dozens of free books from Project Gutenberg and a few dozen purchased zero-DRM novels from Baen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30315466</id>
	<title>Re:Consider the source</title>
	<author>Dragoness Eclectic</author>
	<datestamp>1259832000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed!</p><p>Ask editors, agents and other professional readers as well: you'll find they love e-Readers because a stack of manuscripts is <i>heavy</i>! It's way easier to carry around and read a stack of electronic manuscripts on your Kindle or Sony E-Reader than it is to manhandle all that paper around.</p><p>Ask a group of extremely avid consumer readers: romance readers. This is a group whose typical readers go through multiple books a <i>week</i>, bought and paid for, not freebies from Project Gutenberg. They were the first group to get on the e-book bandwagon in a big way, and there are a number of e-only small publishing houses in the romance genre. In fact, I find it vaguely depressing that the commenters on a forum for geeks, etc (Slashdot) is less informed and less interested in e-books and e-readers than that of a popular romance blog <a href="http://www.smartbitchestrashybooks.com/" title="smartbitch...ybooks.com">Smart Bitches, Trashy books</a> [smartbitch...ybooks.com].</p><p>I also recommend the <a href="http://www.teleread.org/" title="teleread.org">Teleread blog</a> [teleread.org], for keeping up on things e-book.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed ! Ask editors , agents and other professional readers as well : you 'll find they love e-Readers because a stack of manuscripts is heavy !
It 's way easier to carry around and read a stack of electronic manuscripts on your Kindle or Sony E-Reader than it is to manhandle all that paper around.Ask a group of extremely avid consumer readers : romance readers .
This is a group whose typical readers go through multiple books a week , bought and paid for , not freebies from Project Gutenberg .
They were the first group to get on the e-book bandwagon in a big way , and there are a number of e-only small publishing houses in the romance genre .
In fact , I find it vaguely depressing that the commenters on a forum for geeks , etc ( Slashdot ) is less informed and less interested in e-books and e-readers than that of a popular romance blog Smart Bitches , Trashy books [ smartbitch...ybooks.com ] .I also recommend the Teleread blog [ teleread.org ] , for keeping up on things e-book .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed!Ask editors, agents and other professional readers as well: you'll find they love e-Readers because a stack of manuscripts is heavy!
It's way easier to carry around and read a stack of electronic manuscripts on your Kindle or Sony E-Reader than it is to manhandle all that paper around.Ask a group of extremely avid consumer readers: romance readers.
This is a group whose typical readers go through multiple books a week, bought and paid for, not freebies from Project Gutenberg.
They were the first group to get on the e-book bandwagon in a big way, and there are a number of e-only small publishing houses in the romance genre.
In fact, I find it vaguely depressing that the commenters on a forum for geeks, etc (Slashdot) is less informed and less interested in e-books and e-readers than that of a popular romance blog Smart Bitches, Trashy books [smartbitch...ybooks.com].I also recommend the Teleread blog [teleread.org], for keeping up on things e-book.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30317292</id>
	<title>Re:Interface</title>
	<author>James McP</author>
	<datestamp>1259838360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've got Preader on my Palm Pre and it has a slider bar that you can drag.  Open an ebook and drag your thumb along the slider just like riffling through the pages.  I suppose you could even request haptic feedback to give you some semblance of the page-flipping sensation.</p><p>It also had the normal go to page/percentage options.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got Preader on my Palm Pre and it has a slider bar that you can drag .
Open an ebook and drag your thumb along the slider just like riffling through the pages .
I suppose you could even request haptic feedback to give you some semblance of the page-flipping sensation.It also had the normal go to page/percentage options .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got Preader on my Palm Pre and it has a slider bar that you can drag.
Open an ebook and drag your thumb along the slider just like riffling through the pages.
I suppose you could even request haptic feedback to give you some semblance of the page-flipping sensation.It also had the normal go to page/percentage options.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30313912</id>
	<title>Comfort and Freedom are their Best Aspects</title>
	<author>ideonexus</author>
	<datestamp>1259868840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The greatest benefit of these e-readers is the fact that I can download tons of free books like Lawrence Lessig&rsquo;s, Richard Stallman&rsquo;s, the entire collection of Project Gutenberg, and the works of Creative Commons authors everywhere, and read them in the comfort of reflected light in bed rather than emitted light through a hot laptop or tiny cell phone. So long as Amazon doesn't try to erase the library of texts I got from independent sources, I'll continue to be very happy with my Kindle.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The greatest benefit of these e-readers is the fact that I can download tons of free books like Lawrence Lessig    s , Richard Stallman    s , the entire collection of Project Gutenberg , and the works of Creative Commons authors everywhere , and read them in the comfort of reflected light in bed rather than emitted light through a hot laptop or tiny cell phone .
So long as Amazon does n't try to erase the library of texts I got from independent sources , I 'll continue to be very happy with my Kindle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The greatest benefit of these e-readers is the fact that I can download tons of free books like Lawrence Lessig’s, Richard Stallman’s, the entire collection of Project Gutenberg, and the works of Creative Commons authors everywhere, and read them in the comfort of reflected light in bed rather than emitted light through a hot laptop or tiny cell phone.
So long as Amazon doesn't try to erase the library of texts I got from independent sources, I'll continue to be very happy with my Kindle.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30321360</id>
	<title>I just don't get it...</title>
	<author>twoHats</author>
	<datestamp>1259868060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have been reading (almost exclusively) on my Dell Axim for about 4 years now, and find it a real treat.  Lets look at the pros:<br> <br>

o  Back lit screen - read at night with no light.
<br> <br>
o  Great software - i use an old copy of uBook     Reader
<br> <br>
o  light - I can hold it in one hand for a long time.
<br> <br>
o  small - i can put it in my pocket.
<br> <br>
o  cost usd279 4 years ago.
<br> <br>
o  takes sd cards (hold lots of books)
<br> <br>
o  no ties to any corporate entity (ie - no one is going to steal 1984 from me in the middle of the night.)
<br> <br>
o  uses many formats.
<br> <br>
Also, I am 67 and my eyesight sucks - but the axim is the easiest media i read.  The contrast is great and the software does excellent  pagination, so i don't find the small screen even an issue (see "small" above)  <br> <br>

So...why all the buzz about single purpose. expensive, DRM filled, soon to be obsolete, eBook readers?

btw - Axim is no more, so i am not spamming here...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been reading ( almost exclusively ) on my Dell Axim for about 4 years now , and find it a real treat .
Lets look at the pros : o Back lit screen - read at night with no light .
o Great software - i use an old copy of uBook Reader o light - I can hold it in one hand for a long time .
o small - i can put it in my pocket .
o cost usd279 4 years ago .
o takes sd cards ( hold lots of books ) o no ties to any corporate entity ( ie - no one is going to steal 1984 from me in the middle of the night .
) o uses many formats .
Also , I am 67 and my eyesight sucks - but the axim is the easiest media i read .
The contrast is great and the software does excellent pagination , so i do n't find the small screen even an issue ( see " small " above ) So...why all the buzz about single purpose .
expensive , DRM filled , soon to be obsolete , eBook readers ?
btw - Axim is no more , so i am not spamming here.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been reading (almost exclusively) on my Dell Axim for about 4 years now, and find it a real treat.
Lets look at the pros: 

o  Back lit screen - read at night with no light.
o  Great software - i use an old copy of uBook     Reader
 
o  light - I can hold it in one hand for a long time.
o  small - i can put it in my pocket.
o  cost usd279 4 years ago.
o  takes sd cards (hold lots of books)
 
o  no ties to any corporate entity (ie - no one is going to steal 1984 from me in the middle of the night.
)
 
o  uses many formats.
Also, I am 67 and my eyesight sucks - but the axim is the easiest media i read.
The contrast is great and the software does excellent  pagination, so i don't find the small screen even an issue (see "small" above)   

So...why all the buzz about single purpose.
expensive, DRM filled, soon to be obsolete, eBook readers?
btw - Axim is no more, so i am not spamming here...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30318562</id>
	<title>Re:No problem</title>
	<author>ThousandStars</author>
	<datestamp>1259843820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i> <b>DRM</b> and Price is really a deal breaker, and the idea of rebuying books I already own so I can read them on my ebook reader is a little obnoxious. I love the Idea just hate the execution thus far, but I'm still hopeful for the tech to catch on.</i>

<p>I read a lot -- I'm a grad student in English, and see the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. link to my homepage for my book blog -- so I've paid a lot of attention to eBooks. For me, the DRM is still the big problem, as <a href="http://jseliger.com/2007/12/01/product-review-kindle/" title="jseliger.com">described in greater detail here</a> [jseliger.com]. Like you, I find the idea of carrying around every book I've ever read appealing, along with one-click OED lookups. But the DRM is appalling.

</p><p>That being said, I might try the Nook chiefly for its<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.pdf ability -- I have to read so many<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.pdfs that buying one might make sense just for the convenience of not having to print or be tethered to my computer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DRM and Price is really a deal breaker , and the idea of rebuying books I already own so I can read them on my ebook reader is a little obnoxious .
I love the Idea just hate the execution thus far , but I 'm still hopeful for the tech to catch on .
I read a lot -- I 'm a grad student in English , and see the / .
link to my homepage for my book blog -- so I 've paid a lot of attention to eBooks .
For me , the DRM is still the big problem , as described in greater detail here [ jseliger.com ] .
Like you , I find the idea of carrying around every book I 've ever read appealing , along with one-click OED lookups .
But the DRM is appalling .
That being said , I might try the Nook chiefly for its .pdf ability -- I have to read so many .pdfs that buying one might make sense just for the convenience of not having to print or be tethered to my computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> DRM and Price is really a deal breaker, and the idea of rebuying books I already own so I can read them on my ebook reader is a little obnoxious.
I love the Idea just hate the execution thus far, but I'm still hopeful for the tech to catch on.
I read a lot -- I'm a grad student in English, and see the /.
link to my homepage for my book blog -- so I've paid a lot of attention to eBooks.
For me, the DRM is still the big problem, as described in greater detail here [jseliger.com].
Like you, I find the idea of carrying around every book I've ever read appealing, along with one-click OED lookups.
But the DRM is appalling.
That being said, I might try the Nook chiefly for its .pdf ability -- I have to read so many .pdfs that buying one might make sense just for the convenience of not having to print or be tethered to my computer.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30341174</id>
	<title>Re:Wait for interoperability</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1260035460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
<i>There are now four or five e-book readers,</i>
</p><p>
And since I wrote that a few days ago, there's <a href="http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/04/179211" title="slashdot.org">another one</a> [slashdot.org], with its very own incompatible-by-design ecosystem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are now four or five e-book readers , And since I wrote that a few days ago , there 's another one [ slashdot.org ] , with its very own incompatible-by-design ecosystem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
There are now four or five e-book readers,

And since I wrote that a few days ago, there's another one [slashdot.org], with its very own incompatible-by-design ecosystem.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30320532</id>
	<title>Re:No problem</title>
	<author>Fizzol</author>
	<datestamp>1259857980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"The lack of ePub could be a frustration if a good DRM-free ePub store appears"<br> <br>
So far all the non-DRM ePubs that I've tried have converted over to mobi format flawlessly using Mobipocket reader, Calibre is supposed to do as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The lack of ePub could be a frustration if a good DRM-free ePub store appears " So far all the non-DRM ePubs that I 've tried have converted over to mobi format flawlessly using Mobipocket reader , Calibre is supposed to do as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The lack of ePub could be a frustration if a good DRM-free ePub store appears" 
So far all the non-DRM ePubs that I've tried have converted over to mobi format flawlessly using Mobipocket reader, Calibre is supposed to do as well.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30317012</id>
	<title>Re:No problem</title>
	<author>James McP</author>
	<datestamp>1259837460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most e-book sites excluding amazon have DRM-free books (see Fictionwise.com, ebooks.com, etc) but the presence of DRM is up to the publishers.</p><p>So use a publisher who doesn't have DRM or device lock-in, like Baen, Del Ray, Night Shade, SRM, Subterranean, and Tor (all at webscription.net).  Their e-books are available in rtf, html, pub, etc.  I'll point out that they also tend to discount vs. hardcopy as well as offering advanced reader (pre-release) copies for addicts.</p><p>Plus there are different kinds of DRM.  I detest the Adobe and Mobireader approach that requires a remote server.  External authentication or device-specific encryption == devil.  You can't trust that you'll be able to get to your book when you want it.</p><p>The alternative is password protected encrypted files.  The eReader format sets a password on your books based on your name and credit card number. As long as you have the info and the device supports the format you can read it on anything you want.   The "safety factor" to the publisher is that if you post the book on a warez site they know who did it, since you also have to post the password (name+cc).  Plus, you know, your credit information gets out on the net, which is almost punishment enough by itself.</p><p>If you're interested in an ebook reader check this <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison\_of\_e-book\_formats#Supporting\_Hardware" title="wikipedia.org">wiki page</a> [wikipedia.org] on ebook formats that shows what hardware will read what format.</p><p>Based on that little tidbit, the Nook, and therefore Barnes &amp; Nobles' ebook store, has the advantage that all their formats are either unencrypted or devoid of remote authentication.  Maybe not ideal but at least you aren't trapped to a particular device or dependant on a remote server.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most e-book sites excluding amazon have DRM-free books ( see Fictionwise.com , ebooks.com , etc ) but the presence of DRM is up to the publishers.So use a publisher who does n't have DRM or device lock-in , like Baen , Del Ray , Night Shade , SRM , Subterranean , and Tor ( all at webscription.net ) .
Their e-books are available in rtf , html , pub , etc .
I 'll point out that they also tend to discount vs. hardcopy as well as offering advanced reader ( pre-release ) copies for addicts.Plus there are different kinds of DRM .
I detest the Adobe and Mobireader approach that requires a remote server .
External authentication or device-specific encryption = = devil .
You ca n't trust that you 'll be able to get to your book when you want it.The alternative is password protected encrypted files .
The eReader format sets a password on your books based on your name and credit card number .
As long as you have the info and the device supports the format you can read it on anything you want .
The " safety factor " to the publisher is that if you post the book on a warez site they know who did it , since you also have to post the password ( name + cc ) .
Plus , you know , your credit information gets out on the net , which is almost punishment enough by itself.If you 're interested in an ebook reader check this wiki page [ wikipedia.org ] on ebook formats that shows what hardware will read what format.Based on that little tidbit , the Nook , and therefore Barnes &amp; Nobles ' ebook store , has the advantage that all their formats are either unencrypted or devoid of remote authentication .
Maybe not ideal but at least you are n't trapped to a particular device or dependant on a remote server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most e-book sites excluding amazon have DRM-free books (see Fictionwise.com, ebooks.com, etc) but the presence of DRM is up to the publishers.So use a publisher who doesn't have DRM or device lock-in, like Baen, Del Ray, Night Shade, SRM, Subterranean, and Tor (all at webscription.net).
Their e-books are available in rtf, html, pub, etc.
I'll point out that they also tend to discount vs. hardcopy as well as offering advanced reader (pre-release) copies for addicts.Plus there are different kinds of DRM.
I detest the Adobe and Mobireader approach that requires a remote server.
External authentication or device-specific encryption == devil.
You can't trust that you'll be able to get to your book when you want it.The alternative is password protected encrypted files.
The eReader format sets a password on your books based on your name and credit card number.
As long as you have the info and the device supports the format you can read it on anything you want.
The "safety factor" to the publisher is that if you post the book on a warez site they know who did it, since you also have to post the password (name+cc).
Plus, you know, your credit information gets out on the net, which is almost punishment enough by itself.If you're interested in an ebook reader check this wiki page [wikipedia.org] on ebook formats that shows what hardware will read what format.Based on that little tidbit, the Nook, and therefore Barnes &amp; Nobles' ebook store, has the advantage that all their formats are either unencrypted or devoid of remote authentication.
Maybe not ideal but at least you aren't trapped to a particular device or dependant on a remote server.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30315190</id>
	<title>Re:Comfort and Freedom are their Best Aspects</title>
	<author>rwv</author>
	<datestamp>1259830800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the works of Creative Commons authors everywhere</p></div><p>Citation needed, and I'm not just trying to be a dick... I am geniunely curious about how you search for CC licensed manuscripts.

</p><p>I am <a href="http://www.2076book.com/" title="2076book.com">a CC author</a> [2076book.com] and to my knowledge there are no methods to reliably search for CC licensed manuscripts that raise the bar above the "self-published" garbage that's out there.

</p><p>I'll be putting out a "Version 2.1" of the linked novel sometime next year and the reason for all the revisions is because good writing requires many hours of editing.  Editing is what separates "traditional publication" from many (not all) self-publishers and "CC authors" (who aren't already widely known).</p></div>
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<tokenext>the works of Creative Commons authors everywhereCitation needed , and I 'm not just trying to be a dick... I am geniunely curious about how you search for CC licensed manuscripts .
I am a CC author [ 2076book.com ] and to my knowledge there are no methods to reliably search for CC licensed manuscripts that raise the bar above the " self-published " garbage that 's out there .
I 'll be putting out a " Version 2.1 " of the linked novel sometime next year and the reason for all the revisions is because good writing requires many hours of editing .
Editing is what separates " traditional publication " from many ( not all ) self-publishers and " CC authors " ( who are n't already widely known ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the works of Creative Commons authors everywhereCitation needed, and I'm not just trying to be a dick... I am geniunely curious about how you search for CC licensed manuscripts.
I am a CC author [2076book.com] and to my knowledge there are no methods to reliably search for CC licensed manuscripts that raise the bar above the "self-published" garbage that's out there.
I'll be putting out a "Version 2.1" of the linked novel sometime next year and the reason for all the revisions is because good writing requires many hours of editing.
Editing is what separates "traditional publication" from many (not all) self-publishers and "CC authors" (who aren't already widely known).
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314120</id>
	<title>Consider the source</title>
	<author>Alerius</author>
	<datestamp>1259869740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why ask an author about reading? A successful author may be a good source of information about writing, but that doesn't necessarily make him a good reader. [Obligatory car analogy] A mechanic may be able to drive, but I'd probably get better answers about driving from...well...a driver!

</p><p>Now an author's complaint about limited control of fonts may have merit if he is saying that as part of the presentation of his art, he would prefer to set the font type and size. Judging from the novels I've read, font selection rarely enters into the equation.

</p><p>I travel for work so the ability to carry half a dozen novels and a bunch of reference books in my pocket is rather handy. To me the limitations of electronic reading technology are things like battery life, availability and selection, and DRM (which I've had no personal experience with yet because I don't have a Kindle). What's kept me from jumping on the Kindle bandwagon now that they're apparently available in Canada are some of the horror stories I've read of people losing books they've legitimately paid for. I don't want to pay full retail cost of a book to license it and be at the mercy of a nameless faceless entity that can revoke my license at any time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ask an author about reading ?
A successful author may be a good source of information about writing , but that does n't necessarily make him a good reader .
[ Obligatory car analogy ] A mechanic may be able to drive , but I 'd probably get better answers about driving from...well...a driver !
Now an author 's complaint about limited control of fonts may have merit if he is saying that as part of the presentation of his art , he would prefer to set the font type and size .
Judging from the novels I 've read , font selection rarely enters into the equation .
I travel for work so the ability to carry half a dozen novels and a bunch of reference books in my pocket is rather handy .
To me the limitations of electronic reading technology are things like battery life , availability and selection , and DRM ( which I 've had no personal experience with yet because I do n't have a Kindle ) .
What 's kept me from jumping on the Kindle bandwagon now that they 're apparently available in Canada are some of the horror stories I 've read of people losing books they 've legitimately paid for .
I do n't want to pay full retail cost of a book to license it and be at the mercy of a nameless faceless entity that can revoke my license at any time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why ask an author about reading?
A successful author may be a good source of information about writing, but that doesn't necessarily make him a good reader.
[Obligatory car analogy] A mechanic may be able to drive, but I'd probably get better answers about driving from...well...a driver!
Now an author's complaint about limited control of fonts may have merit if he is saying that as part of the presentation of his art, he would prefer to set the font type and size.
Judging from the novels I've read, font selection rarely enters into the equation.
I travel for work so the ability to carry half a dozen novels and a bunch of reference books in my pocket is rather handy.
To me the limitations of electronic reading technology are things like battery life, availability and selection, and DRM (which I've had no personal experience with yet because I don't have a Kindle).
What's kept me from jumping on the Kindle bandwagon now that they're apparently available in Canada are some of the horror stories I've read of people losing books they've legitimately paid for.
I don't want to pay full retail cost of a book to license it and be at the mercy of a nameless faceless entity that can revoke my license at any time.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314630</id>
	<title>Re:stupid</title>
	<author>MrEkted</author>
	<datestamp>1259871840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>He meant this:<br>

&ldquo;John Updike, who was so enamored of Janson and insisted that all his books be set in that font, would have been appalled to see all of his books set in Caelicia, the same font used in, say, Nora Roberts.&rdquo;
<br>
<br>
He meant font, not weight, slope, and width (which is what you're talking about).</htmltext>
<tokenext>He meant this :    John Updike , who was so enamored of Janson and insisted that all his books be set in that font , would have been appalled to see all of his books set in Caelicia , the same font used in , say , Nora Roberts.    He meant font , not weight , slope , and width ( which is what you 're talking about ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He meant this:

“John Updike, who was so enamored of Janson and insisted that all his books be set in that font, would have been appalled to see all of his books set in Caelicia, the same font used in, say, Nora Roberts.”


He meant font, not weight, slope, and width (which is what you're talking about).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314134</id>
	<title>Re:Lee Childs? I don't think so</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1259869860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A bad writer can ruin the best story. A good writer can keep your interest in a story about mowing the grass.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A bad writer can ruin the best story .
A good writer can keep your interest in a story about mowing the grass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A bad writer can ruin the best story.
A good writer can keep your interest in a story about mowing the grass.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30320676</id>
	<title>Re:Fonts</title>
	<author>Bigjeff5</author>
	<datestamp>1259859180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most ebooks support pdfs (though some better than others).  It's one of those ubiquitous formats that a reader seller would be stupid to overlook.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most ebooks support pdfs ( though some better than others ) .
It 's one of those ubiquitous formats that a reader seller would be stupid to overlook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most ebooks support pdfs (though some better than others).
It's one of those ubiquitous formats that a reader seller would be stupid to overlook.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30317046</id>
	<title>Re:Interface</title>
	<author>Brandee07</author>
	<datestamp>1259837580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>To be able to press my finger to a page which will then put the book on its binder, pages facing me. Then I could slide my finger back and forth to a random spot and let go...and the book would open to that page.</p> </div><p>Get an iPhone or an iPod Touch and the Kindle for iPhone app and you'll get exactly that.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></div>
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<tokenext>To be able to press my finger to a page which will then put the book on its binder , pages facing me .
Then I could slide my finger back and forth to a random spot and let go...and the book would open to that page .
Get an iPhone or an iPod Touch and the Kindle for iPhone app and you 'll get exactly that .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be able to press my finger to a page which will then put the book on its binder, pages facing me.
Then I could slide my finger back and forth to a random spot and let go...and the book would open to that page.
Get an iPhone or an iPod Touch and the Kindle for iPhone app and you'll get exactly that.
;)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314060</id>
	<title>Re:No problem</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1259869500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wouldn't have much need for one. It would be great for school (if I'd had one when I was still going; computers used Hollerith cards back then), except you'ld have to pay full price for new textbooks instead of buying them used, and you couldn't resell them when the school year was done. It would be great for vacation, except I rarely travel and when I do, reading is the last thing on my mind. When I read, I'm IN the book; when I read Pratchett, I'm not in Illinois, I'm on Diskworld.</p><p>Most of the books I read come from the city library anyway. It's not much use there, either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't have much need for one .
It would be great for school ( if I 'd had one when I was still going ; computers used Hollerith cards back then ) , except you'ld have to pay full price for new textbooks instead of buying them used , and you could n't resell them when the school year was done .
It would be great for vacation , except I rarely travel and when I do , reading is the last thing on my mind .
When I read , I 'm IN the book ; when I read Pratchett , I 'm not in Illinois , I 'm on Diskworld.Most of the books I read come from the city library anyway .
It 's not much use there , either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't have much need for one.
It would be great for school (if I'd had one when I was still going; computers used Hollerith cards back then), except you'ld have to pay full price for new textbooks instead of buying them used, and you couldn't resell them when the school year was done.
It would be great for vacation, except I rarely travel and when I do, reading is the last thing on my mind.
When I read, I'm IN the book; when I read Pratchett, I'm not in Illinois, I'm on Diskworld.Most of the books I read come from the city library anyway.
It's not much use there, either.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30315148</id>
	<title>Re:No problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259873940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>To be clear, and this FUD has been going around since the thing came out, you can use non-DRM formats on the Kindle. TXT and MOBI/PRC files can be read no problem -- the device mounts as a flash drive, you copy them over and they appear readable on the home screen.</p></div><p>Text has been available for everything, and mobi pocket is going the way of the dinosaur.  I appologize for not including them, but it's a non-issue as everything else does it too, and text ebooks suck monkey balls.  However, anything other than those (like<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.pdf, the most common document formats in the world) must be sent to Adobe and, at their grace, sent to your Kindle.  Also, books purchased from Amazon for the Kindle are non-transferable, even to another Kindle, and you cannot buy books from another store for use on a kindle (unless they, for some reason, give it to you as a txt file).  That's a huge deal-breaker for me.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The lack of ePub could be a frustration if a good DRM-free ePub store appears...</p></div><p>You mean like the Sony Store and Google Books who, combined, are far larger than Amazon's store?  Yeah, ePub is already more available, and more transferrable than Kindle books.</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...but given that the spec leaves room for any DRM scheme to I expect that it will be just as fractured as anything else.</p></div><p>So far, the exact opposite has happened, and I'll tell you why: who the hell wants to be the publisher of an ebook that nobody else can buy?  What sense does that make?  Also, you can now check out library books on any e-reader that suports ePub DRM, and like I said there are more ePub books available than there are Kindle books.  If you include public domain books available in ePub (which number in the millions, thanks to Google Books and Project Gutenberg), Amazon's kindle is left in the dust.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>There is no source that I know of for new, legal novels without DRM.</p></div><p>By the same token, there is no source that I know of for new, legal DVDs without copy protection, and no source of new, legal Blue Ray movies without DRM.  What's your point? It's a stupid argument because it will never happen (except on a select, book by book basis), and if we have a ubiquitous technology for managing legal copies, like ePub is fast becoming, it will only be a problem for people who wish to copy the material illegaly.</p><p>Frankly, there are already half a dozen ePub stores, and there are more opening up all the time, like the Barnes &amp; Nobel store, which was formerly all proprietary<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.pdb books, but now offers ePub books as well.  I don't know if you know this, but B&amp;N is one of the largest book sellers in the world.</p><p>Your information is out of date, just like mine was.  Unfortunately, correcting me doesn't make the Kindle look any better, while correcting you just makes it look worse.</p><p>The one thing I'll praise the Kindle for is the Wireless-G access - this was a huge boon and a number of ebook readers - including the latest Sony - are emulating it.  However, in the long run the Kindle was the wrong horse to bet on, as they are the ones that are going to have all the troubles you describe.</p><p>Lastly, it's not FUD if it's true, damnit!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>To be clear , and this FUD has been going around since the thing came out , you can use non-DRM formats on the Kindle .
TXT and MOBI/PRC files can be read no problem -- the device mounts as a flash drive , you copy them over and they appear readable on the home screen.Text has been available for everything , and mobi pocket is going the way of the dinosaur .
I appologize for not including them , but it 's a non-issue as everything else does it too , and text ebooks suck monkey balls .
However , anything other than those ( like .doc or .pdf , the most common document formats in the world ) must be sent to Adobe and , at their grace , sent to your Kindle .
Also , books purchased from Amazon for the Kindle are non-transferable , even to another Kindle , and you can not buy books from another store for use on a kindle ( unless they , for some reason , give it to you as a txt file ) .
That 's a huge deal-breaker for me.The lack of ePub could be a frustration if a good DRM-free ePub store appears...You mean like the Sony Store and Google Books who , combined , are far larger than Amazon 's store ?
Yeah , ePub is already more available , and more transferrable than Kindle books .
...but given that the spec leaves room for any DRM scheme to I expect that it will be just as fractured as anything else.So far , the exact opposite has happened , and I 'll tell you why : who the hell wants to be the publisher of an ebook that nobody else can buy ?
What sense does that make ?
Also , you can now check out library books on any e-reader that suports ePub DRM , and like I said there are more ePub books available than there are Kindle books .
If you include public domain books available in ePub ( which number in the millions , thanks to Google Books and Project Gutenberg ) , Amazon 's kindle is left in the dust.There is no source that I know of for new , legal novels without DRM.By the same token , there is no source that I know of for new , legal DVDs without copy protection , and no source of new , legal Blue Ray movies without DRM .
What 's your point ?
It 's a stupid argument because it will never happen ( except on a select , book by book basis ) , and if we have a ubiquitous technology for managing legal copies , like ePub is fast becoming , it will only be a problem for people who wish to copy the material illegaly.Frankly , there are already half a dozen ePub stores , and there are more opening up all the time , like the Barnes &amp; Nobel store , which was formerly all proprietary .pdb books , but now offers ePub books as well .
I do n't know if you know this , but B&amp;N is one of the largest book sellers in the world.Your information is out of date , just like mine was .
Unfortunately , correcting me does n't make the Kindle look any better , while correcting you just makes it look worse.The one thing I 'll praise the Kindle for is the Wireless-G access - this was a huge boon and a number of ebook readers - including the latest Sony - are emulating it .
However , in the long run the Kindle was the wrong horse to bet on , as they are the ones that are going to have all the troubles you describe.Lastly , it 's not FUD if it 's true , damnit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be clear, and this FUD has been going around since the thing came out, you can use non-DRM formats on the Kindle.
TXT and MOBI/PRC files can be read no problem -- the device mounts as a flash drive, you copy them over and they appear readable on the home screen.Text has been available for everything, and mobi pocket is going the way of the dinosaur.
I appologize for not including them, but it's a non-issue as everything else does it too, and text ebooks suck monkey balls.
However, anything other than those (like .doc or .pdf, the most common document formats in the world) must be sent to Adobe and, at their grace, sent to your Kindle.
Also, books purchased from Amazon for the Kindle are non-transferable, even to another Kindle, and you cannot buy books from another store for use on a kindle (unless they, for some reason, give it to you as a txt file).
That's a huge deal-breaker for me.The lack of ePub could be a frustration if a good DRM-free ePub store appears...You mean like the Sony Store and Google Books who, combined, are far larger than Amazon's store?
Yeah, ePub is already more available, and more transferrable than Kindle books.
...but given that the spec leaves room for any DRM scheme to I expect that it will be just as fractured as anything else.So far, the exact opposite has happened, and I'll tell you why: who the hell wants to be the publisher of an ebook that nobody else can buy?
What sense does that make?
Also, you can now check out library books on any e-reader that suports ePub DRM, and like I said there are more ePub books available than there are Kindle books.
If you include public domain books available in ePub (which number in the millions, thanks to Google Books and Project Gutenberg), Amazon's kindle is left in the dust.There is no source that I know of for new, legal novels without DRM.By the same token, there is no source that I know of for new, legal DVDs without copy protection, and no source of new, legal Blue Ray movies without DRM.
What's your point?
It's a stupid argument because it will never happen (except on a select, book by book basis), and if we have a ubiquitous technology for managing legal copies, like ePub is fast becoming, it will only be a problem for people who wish to copy the material illegaly.Frankly, there are already half a dozen ePub stores, and there are more opening up all the time, like the Barnes &amp; Nobel store, which was formerly all proprietary .pdb books, but now offers ePub books as well.
I don't know if you know this, but B&amp;N is one of the largest book sellers in the world.Your information is out of date, just like mine was.
Unfortunately, correcting me doesn't make the Kindle look any better, while correcting you just makes it look worse.The one thing I'll praise the Kindle for is the Wireless-G access - this was a huge boon and a number of ebook readers - including the latest Sony - are emulating it.
However, in the long run the Kindle was the wrong horse to bet on, as they are the ones that are going to have all the troubles you describe.Lastly, it's not FUD if it's true, damnit!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314128</id>
	<title>Lower the price</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259869800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have had a Sony Reader since they came out and I love it.  The only problem is the price on the books.  They are way too high.  They should be able to offer the books at a much lower cost but instead rape you for the hardcover cost or more even after a book has been out in softcover.</p><p>The free books are all I read but there are enough of them to keep me satisfied for now.  If they drop the price on recent books to below $10 I would start reading them on the reader instead of dead-tree.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have had a Sony Reader since they came out and I love it .
The only problem is the price on the books .
They are way too high .
They should be able to offer the books at a much lower cost but instead rape you for the hardcover cost or more even after a book has been out in softcover.The free books are all I read but there are enough of them to keep me satisfied for now .
If they drop the price on recent books to below $ 10 I would start reading them on the reader instead of dead-tree .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have had a Sony Reader since they came out and I love it.
The only problem is the price on the books.
They are way too high.
They should be able to offer the books at a much lower cost but instead rape you for the hardcover cost or more even after a book has been out in softcover.The free books are all I read but there are enough of them to keep me satisfied for now.
If they drop the price on recent books to below $10 I would start reading them on the reader instead of dead-tree.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30313920</id>
	<title>Index?</title>
	<author>rjstanford</author>
	<datestamp>1259868900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An index?  In a thriller?  How does that normally work?</p><p>killer, identity of  -  page 274<br>tension, sexual, relief of  -  page 102<br>gun, finding of  -  page 79</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An index ?
In a thriller ?
How does that normally work ? killer , identity of - page 274tension , sexual , relief of - page 102gun , finding of - page 79</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An index?
In a thriller?
How does that normally work?killer, identity of  -  page 274tension, sexual, relief of  -  page 102gun, finding of  -  page 79</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314882</id>
	<title>Mod eBooks +10</title>
	<author>TheJodster</author>
	<datestamp>1259872980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love eBooks!  I read them on my iPhone constantly.  Project Gutenberg is an excellent source of an endless number of books that I should have already read.  Right now I'm reading Bullfinch's books on mythology.  I have no nostalgic attachment to paper books for whatever reason.  I find that I am very likely to eventually finish a large tome (eTome?) if it is in my pocket at all times.  A book can lay on my nightstand for a year and I may never finish it, but the eBook will always eventually be completed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love eBooks !
I read them on my iPhone constantly .
Project Gutenberg is an excellent source of an endless number of books that I should have already read .
Right now I 'm reading Bullfinch 's books on mythology .
I have no nostalgic attachment to paper books for whatever reason .
I find that I am very likely to eventually finish a large tome ( eTome ?
) if it is in my pocket at all times .
A book can lay on my nightstand for a year and I may never finish it , but the eBook will always eventually be completed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love eBooks!
I read them on my iPhone constantly.
Project Gutenberg is an excellent source of an endless number of books that I should have already read.
Right now I'm reading Bullfinch's books on mythology.
I have no nostalgic attachment to paper books for whatever reason.
I find that I am very likely to eventually finish a large tome (eTome?
) if it is in my pocket at all times.
A book can lay on my nightstand for a year and I may never finish it, but the eBook will always eventually be completed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314118</id>
	<title>A question for someone in the know</title>
	<author>east coast</author>
	<datestamp>1259869740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you have any of these devices...<br> <br>Can you do a fast page mark and go back and forth between them quickly? I like the idea of the reader but since many of my books I'd like to have on it would be reference books it would be important for me to be able to switch between 3-4 different pages at a time with no real thought involved. It's easy enough with dead trees since I can just use my finger as a fast book mark while I thumb to another page but if it's an involved process on an e-book reader it defeats the purpose of why I would want one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have any of these devices... Can you do a fast page mark and go back and forth between them quickly ?
I like the idea of the reader but since many of my books I 'd like to have on it would be reference books it would be important for me to be able to switch between 3-4 different pages at a time with no real thought involved .
It 's easy enough with dead trees since I can just use my finger as a fast book mark while I thumb to another page but if it 's an involved process on an e-book reader it defeats the purpose of why I would want one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have any of these devices... Can you do a fast page mark and go back and forth between them quickly?
I like the idea of the reader but since many of my books I'd like to have on it would be reference books it would be important for me to be able to switch between 3-4 different pages at a time with no real thought involved.
It's easy enough with dead trees since I can just use my finger as a fast book mark while I thumb to another page but if it's an involved process on an e-book reader it defeats the purpose of why I would want one.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314166</id>
	<title>Some of the criticisms are just wrong</title>
	<author>JerryLove</author>
	<datestamp>1259869980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a Sony E-Book reader.</p><p>You *can* imbed fonts.</p><p>You are not stuck with Sony's proprietary formats (it reads several, including PDF, and freeware programs like calibre' allow conversions).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a Sony E-Book reader.You * can * imbed fonts.You are not stuck with Sony 's proprietary formats ( it reads several , including PDF , and freeware programs like calibre ' allow conversions ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a Sony E-Book reader.You *can* imbed fonts.You are not stuck with Sony's proprietary formats (it reads several, including PDF, and freeware programs like calibre' allow conversions).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30313802</id>
	<title>I foresee...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259868480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>a revival of "Choose Your Own Adventure" books.</htmltext>
<tokenext>a revival of " Choose Your Own Adventure " books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a revival of "Choose Your Own Adventure" books.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30313798</id>
	<title>stupid</title>
	<author>Lord Ender</author>
	<datestamp>1259868420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fonts the same? The Kindle can do multiple fonts. It can do bold and italic. It can even do illustrations. Why are we asking this guy's opinion if he obviously has never even used the device?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fonts the same ?
The Kindle can do multiple fonts .
It can do bold and italic .
It can even do illustrations .
Why are we asking this guy 's opinion if he obviously has never even used the device ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fonts the same?
The Kindle can do multiple fonts.
It can do bold and italic.
It can even do illustrations.
Why are we asking this guy's opinion if he obviously has never even used the device?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314292</id>
	<title>"Issue of monopoly"?  Bullpucky.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259870460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nook supports unencumbered formats, if you want to avoid the issue of monopoly, simply release your book unencumbered.</p><p>Incidentally, isn't every published book subject to the 'monopoly' of its publisher?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nook supports unencumbered formats , if you want to avoid the issue of monopoly , simply release your book unencumbered.Incidentally , is n't every published book subject to the 'monopoly ' of its publisher ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nook supports unencumbered formats, if you want to avoid the issue of monopoly, simply release your book unencumbered.Incidentally, isn't every published book subject to the 'monopoly' of its publisher?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314434</id>
	<title>Re:I foresee...</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1259871000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Welcome to the 1970s. It's called a text adventure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome to the 1970s .
It 's called a text adventure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome to the 1970s.
It's called a text adventure.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30313802</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314506</id>
	<title>Re:I foresee...</title>
	<author>steelfood</author>
	<datestamp>1259871240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe they're still around in the form of "visual novels" in Japan, and quite popular.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe they 're still around in the form of " visual novels " in Japan , and quite popular .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe they're still around in the form of "visual novels" in Japan, and quite popular.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30313802</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314520</id>
	<title>Re:Index?</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1259871360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about a computer generated index?</p><p>the - page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 131, 132, 133, 134, 135, 136, 137, 138, 139, 140, 141, 142, 143, 144, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 150, 151, 152, 153, 154, 155, 156, 157, 158, 159, 160, 161, 162, 163, 164, 165, 166, 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 173, 174, 175, 176, 177, 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187, 188, 189, 190, 191, 192, 193, 194, 195, 196, 197, 198, 199, 200, 201, 202, 203, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 213, 214, 215, 216, 217, 218, 219, 220, 221, 222, 223, 224, 225, 226, 227, 228, 229, 230, 231, 232, 233, 234, 235, 236, 237, 238, 239, 240, 241, 242, 243, 244, 245, 246, 247, 248, 249, 250, 251, 252, 253, 254, 255, 256, 257, 258, 259, 260, 261, 262, 263, 264, 265, 266, 267, 268, 269, 270, 271, 272, 273, 274, 275, 276, 277, 278, 279, 280, 281, 282, 283, 284, 285, 286, 287, 288, 289, 290, 291, 292, 293, 294, 295, 296, 297, 298, 299, 300, 301, 302, 303, 304, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 310, 311, 312, 313, 314, 315, 316, 317, 318, 319, 320, 321, 322, 323, 324, 325</p><p>a - page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 131, 132, 133, 134, 135, 136, 137, 138, 139, 140, 141, 142, 143, 144, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 150, 151, 152, 153, 154, 155, 156, 157, 158, 159, 160, 161, 162, 163, 164, 165, 166, 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 173, 174, 175, 176, 177, 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187, 188, 189, 190, 191, 192, 193, 194, 195, 196, 197, 198, 199, 200, 201, 202, 203, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 213, 214, 215, 216, 217, 218, 219, 220, 221, 222, 223, 224, 225, 226, 227, 228, 229, 230, 231, 232, 233, 234, 235, 236, 237, 238, 239, 240, 241, 242, 243, 244, 245, 246, 247, 248, 249, 250, 251, 252, 253, 254, 255, 256, 257, 258, 259, 260, 261, 262, 263, 264, 265, 266, 267, 268, 269, 270, 271, 272, 273, 274, 275, 276, 277, 278, 279, 280, 281, 282, 283, 284, 285, 286, 287, 288, 289, 290, 291, 292, 293, 294, 295, 296, 297, 298, 299, 300, 301, 302, 303, 304, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 310, 311, 312, 313, 314, 315, 316, 317, 318, 319, 320, 321, 322, 323, 324, 325</p><p>because - page 9, 14, 36, 39, 45, 46, 50, 58, 64, 69, 73, 80, 101, 106, 113, 119, 127, 138, 144, 153, 161, 177, 183, 185, 199, 202, 215, 220, 222, 224, 228, 235, 240, 243, 251, 259, 260, 269, 278, 288, 300, 312, 316, 322, 323, 325</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about a computer generated index ? the - page 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 , 9 , 10 , 11 , 12 , 13 , 14 , 15 , 16 , 17 , 18 , 19 , 20 , 21 , 22 , 23 , 24 , 25 , 26 , 27 , 28 , 29 , 30 , 31 , 32 , 33 , 34 , 35 , 36 , 37 , 38 , 39 , 40 , 41 , 42 , 43 , 44 , 45 , 46 , 47 , 48 , 49 , 50 , 51 , 52 , 53 , 54 , 55 , 56 , 57 , 58 , 59 , 60 , 61 , 62 , 63 , 64 , 65 , 66 , 67 , 68 , 69 , 70 , 71 , 72 , 73 , 74 , 75 , 76 , 77 , 78 , 79 , 80 , 81 , 82 , 83 , 84 , 85 , 86 , 87 , 88 , 89 , 90 , 91 , 92 , 93 , 94 , 95 , 96 , 97 , 98 , 99 , 100 , 101 , 102 , 103 , 104 , 105 , 106 , 107 , 108 , 109 , 110 , 111 , 112 , 113 , 114 , 115 , 116 , 117 , 118 , 119 , 120 , 121 , 122 , 123 , 124 , 125 , 126 , 127 , 128 , 129 , 130 , 131 , 132 , 133 , 134 , 135 , 136 , 137 , 138 , 139 , 140 , 141 , 142 , 143 , 144 , 145 , 146 , 147 , 148 , 149 , 150 , 151 , 152 , 153 , 154 , 155 , 156 , 157 , 158 , 159 , 160 , 161 , 162 , 163 , 164 , 165 , 166 , 167 , 168 , 169 , 170 , 171 , 172 , 173 , 174 , 175 , 176 , 177 , 178 , 179 , 180 , 181 , 182 , 183 , 184 , 185 , 186 , 187 , 188 , 189 , 190 , 191 , 192 , 193 , 194 , 195 , 196 , 197 , 198 , 199 , 200 , 201 , 202 , 203 , 204 , 205 , 206 , 207 , 208 , 209 , 210 , 211 , 212 , 213 , 214 , 215 , 216 , 217 , 218 , 219 , 220 , 221 , 222 , 223 , 224 , 225 , 226 , 227 , 228 , 229 , 230 , 231 , 232 , 233 , 234 , 235 , 236 , 237 , 238 , 239 , 240 , 241 , 242 , 243 , 244 , 245 , 246 , 247 , 248 , 249 , 250 , 251 , 252 , 253 , 254 , 255 , 256 , 257 , 258 , 259 , 260 , 261 , 262 , 263 , 264 , 265 , 266 , 267 , 268 , 269 , 270 , 271 , 272 , 273 , 274 , 275 , 276 , 277 , 278 , 279 , 280 , 281 , 282 , 283 , 284 , 285 , 286 , 287 , 288 , 289 , 290 , 291 , 292 , 293 , 294 , 295 , 296 , 297 , 298 , 299 , 300 , 301 , 302 , 303 , 304 , 305 , 306 , 307 , 308 , 309 , 310 , 311 , 312 , 313 , 314 , 315 , 316 , 317 , 318 , 319 , 320 , 321 , 322 , 323 , 324 , 325a - page 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 , 9 , 10 , 11 , 12 , 13 , 14 , 15 , 16 , 17 , 18 , 19 , 20 , 21 , 22 , 23 , 24 , 25 , 26 , 27 , 28 , 29 , 30 , 31 , 32 , 33 , 34 , 35 , 36 , 37 , 38 , 39 , 40 , 41 , 42 , 43 , 44 , 45 , 46 , 47 , 48 , 49 , 50 , 51 , 52 , 53 , 54 , 55 , 56 , 57 , 58 , 59 , 60 , 61 , 62 , 63 , 64 , 65 , 66 , 67 , 68 , 69 , 70 , 71 , 72 , 73 , 74 , 75 , 76 , 77 , 78 , 79 , 80 , 81 , 82 , 83 , 84 , 85 , 86 , 87 , 88 , 89 , 90 , 91 , 92 , 93 , 94 , 95 , 96 , 97 , 98 , 99 , 100 , 101 , 102 , 103 , 104 , 105 , 106 , 107 , 108 , 109 , 110 , 111 , 112 , 113 , 114 , 115 , 116 , 117 , 118 , 119 , 120 , 121 , 122 , 123 , 124 , 125 , 126 , 127 , 128 , 129 , 130 , 131 , 132 , 133 , 134 , 135 , 136 , 137 , 138 , 139 , 140 , 141 , 142 , 143 , 144 , 145 , 146 , 147 , 148 , 149 , 150 , 151 , 152 , 153 , 154 , 155 , 156 , 157 , 158 , 159 , 160 , 161 , 162 , 163 , 164 , 165 , 166 , 167 , 168 , 169 , 170 , 171 , 172 , 173 , 174 , 175 , 176 , 177 , 178 , 179 , 180 , 181 , 182 , 183 , 184 , 185 , 186 , 187 , 188 , 189 , 190 , 191 , 192 , 193 , 194 , 195 , 196 , 197 , 198 , 199 , 200 , 201 , 202 , 203 , 204 , 205 , 206 , 207 , 208 , 209 , 210 , 211 , 212 , 213 , 214 , 215 , 216 , 217 , 218 , 219 , 220 , 221 , 222 , 223 , 224 , 225 , 226 , 227 , 228 , 229 , 230 , 231 , 232 , 233 , 234 , 235 , 236 , 237 , 238 , 239 , 240 , 241 , 242 , 243 , 244 , 245 , 246 , 247 , 248 , 249 , 250 , 251 , 252 , 253 , 254 , 255 , 256 , 257 , 258 , 259 , 260 , 261 , 262 , 263 , 264 , 265 , 266 , 267 , 268 , 269 , 270 , 271 , 272 , 273 , 274 , 275 , 276 , 277 , 278 , 279 , 280 , 281 , 282 , 283 , 284 , 285 , 286 , 287 , 288 , 289 , 290 , 291 , 292 , 293 , 294 , 295 , 296 , 297 , 298 , 299 , 300 , 301 , 302 , 303 , 304 , 305 , 306 , 307 , 308 , 309 , 310 , 311 , 312 , 313 , 314 , 315 , 316 , 317 , 318 , 319 , 320 , 321 , 322 , 323 , 324 , 325because - page 9 , 14 , 36 , 39 , 45 , 46 , 50 , 58 , 64 , 69 , 73 , 80 , 101 , 106 , 113 , 119 , 127 , 138 , 144 , 153 , 161 , 177 , 183 , 185 , 199 , 202 , 215 , 220 , 222 , 224 , 228 , 235 , 240 , 243 , 251 , 259 , 260 , 269 , 278 , 288 , 300 , 312 , 316 , 322 , 323 , 325</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about a computer generated index?the - page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 131, 132, 133, 134, 135, 136, 137, 138, 139, 140, 141, 142, 143, 144, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 150, 151, 152, 153, 154, 155, 156, 157, 158, 159, 160, 161, 162, 163, 164, 165, 166, 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 173, 174, 175, 176, 177, 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187, 188, 189, 190, 191, 192, 193, 194, 195, 196, 197, 198, 199, 200, 201, 202, 203, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 213, 214, 215, 216, 217, 218, 219, 220, 221, 222, 223, 224, 225, 226, 227, 228, 229, 230, 231, 232, 233, 234, 235, 236, 237, 238, 239, 240, 241, 242, 243, 244, 245, 246, 247, 248, 249, 250, 251, 252, 253, 254, 255, 256, 257, 258, 259, 260, 261, 262, 263, 264, 265, 266, 267, 268, 269, 270, 271, 272, 273, 274, 275, 276, 277, 278, 279, 280, 281, 282, 283, 284, 285, 286, 287, 288, 289, 290, 291, 292, 293, 294, 295, 296, 297, 298, 299, 300, 301, 302, 303, 304, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 310, 311, 312, 313, 314, 315, 316, 317, 318, 319, 320, 321, 322, 323, 324, 325a - page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 131, 132, 133, 134, 135, 136, 137, 138, 139, 140, 141, 142, 143, 144, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 150, 151, 152, 153, 154, 155, 156, 157, 158, 159, 160, 161, 162, 163, 164, 165, 166, 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 173, 174, 175, 176, 177, 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187, 188, 189, 190, 191, 192, 193, 194, 195, 196, 197, 198, 199, 200, 201, 202, 203, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 213, 214, 215, 216, 217, 218, 219, 220, 221, 222, 223, 224, 225, 226, 227, 228, 229, 230, 231, 232, 233, 234, 235, 236, 237, 238, 239, 240, 241, 242, 243, 244, 245, 246, 247, 248, 249, 250, 251, 252, 253, 254, 255, 256, 257, 258, 259, 260, 261, 262, 263, 264, 265, 266, 267, 268, 269, 270, 271, 272, 273, 274, 275, 276, 277, 278, 279, 280, 281, 282, 283, 284, 285, 286, 287, 288, 289, 290, 291, 292, 293, 294, 295, 296, 297, 298, 299, 300, 301, 302, 303, 304, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 310, 311, 312, 313, 314, 315, 316, 317, 318, 319, 320, 321, 322, 323, 324, 325because - page 9, 14, 36, 39, 45, 46, 50, 58, 64, 69, 73, 80, 101, 106, 113, 119, 127, 138, 144, 153, 161, 177, 183, 185, 199, 202, 215, 220, 222, 224, 228, 235, 240, 243, 251, 259, 260, 269, 278, 288, 300, 312, 316, 322, 323, 325</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30321292</id>
	<title>Re:No problem</title>
	<author>Xrikcus</author>
	<datestamp>1259866980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only that, but I just downloaded a Dickens book from google in ePub format. I loaded it into Stanza (made by Lexcycle, owned by Amazon) and exported it as  mobipocket format. I then copied it onto my Kindle. It's perfectly readable. Converting between these formats without DRM isn't particularly difficult. Given that the DRM on all of the ebooks seems to be trivial to break, based on comments elsewhere on this thread and what I've seen online about Amazon's DRM, conversion from one ebook to another doesn't seem to be a problem. I was talking to a friend earlier about precisely what you're saying, that the music stores learned the DRM lesson and are changing, the e-book stores will too with time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only that , but I just downloaded a Dickens book from google in ePub format .
I loaded it into Stanza ( made by Lexcycle , owned by Amazon ) and exported it as mobipocket format .
I then copied it onto my Kindle .
It 's perfectly readable .
Converting between these formats without DRM is n't particularly difficult .
Given that the DRM on all of the ebooks seems to be trivial to break , based on comments elsewhere on this thread and what I 've seen online about Amazon 's DRM , conversion from one ebook to another does n't seem to be a problem .
I was talking to a friend earlier about precisely what you 're saying , that the music stores learned the DRM lesson and are changing , the e-book stores will too with time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only that, but I just downloaded a Dickens book from google in ePub format.
I loaded it into Stanza (made by Lexcycle, owned by Amazon) and exported it as  mobipocket format.
I then copied it onto my Kindle.
It's perfectly readable.
Converting between these formats without DRM isn't particularly difficult.
Given that the DRM on all of the ebooks seems to be trivial to break, based on comments elsewhere on this thread and what I've seen online about Amazon's DRM, conversion from one ebook to another doesn't seem to be a problem.
I was talking to a friend earlier about precisely what you're saying, that the music stores learned the DRM lesson and are changing, the e-book stores will too with time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314566</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30319818</id>
	<title>Re:Consider the source</title>
	<author>lennier</author>
	<datestamp>1259851860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Now an author's complaint about limited control of fonts may have merit if he is saying that as part of the presentation of his art, he would prefer to set the font type and size."</p><p>He may very well want to do that, but that doesn't mean his ideas about presentation should necessarily override mine. If I tell my device I want to read text in 32 point, it should take the author's ideas as a suggestion at best. That's why I love how web browsers have 'increase font size' buttons which let me correct for the bad ideas of web designers who think they know better than I do what is comfortable for me to read.</p><p>A publisher should make it possible for a reader to see an author's work as it was intended to appear - but conversely, an author shouldn't have the right to *force* a reader to see their work only one way or not at all. A reader should have the right to be able to restructure, edit, or annotate any text, and share those remixed views, as long as it's made clear that their rendering differs from the original presentation, and it's possible to identify and recover the original source view.</p><p>Basically we need to remember that every media 'consumer' is also a 'producer', and stop putting legal and technical roadblocks in the way of the natural human way of disseminating information.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Now an author 's complaint about limited control of fonts may have merit if he is saying that as part of the presentation of his art , he would prefer to set the font type and size .
" He may very well want to do that , but that does n't mean his ideas about presentation should necessarily override mine .
If I tell my device I want to read text in 32 point , it should take the author 's ideas as a suggestion at best .
That 's why I love how web browsers have 'increase font size ' buttons which let me correct for the bad ideas of web designers who think they know better than I do what is comfortable for me to read.A publisher should make it possible for a reader to see an author 's work as it was intended to appear - but conversely , an author should n't have the right to * force * a reader to see their work only one way or not at all .
A reader should have the right to be able to restructure , edit , or annotate any text , and share those remixed views , as long as it 's made clear that their rendering differs from the original presentation , and it 's possible to identify and recover the original source view.Basically we need to remember that every media 'consumer ' is also a 'producer ' , and stop putting legal and technical roadblocks in the way of the natural human way of disseminating information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Now an author's complaint about limited control of fonts may have merit if he is saying that as part of the presentation of his art, he would prefer to set the font type and size.
"He may very well want to do that, but that doesn't mean his ideas about presentation should necessarily override mine.
If I tell my device I want to read text in 32 point, it should take the author's ideas as a suggestion at best.
That's why I love how web browsers have 'increase font size' buttons which let me correct for the bad ideas of web designers who think they know better than I do what is comfortable for me to read.A publisher should make it possible for a reader to see an author's work as it was intended to appear - but conversely, an author shouldn't have the right to *force* a reader to see their work only one way or not at all.
A reader should have the right to be able to restructure, edit, or annotate any text, and share those remixed views, as long as it's made clear that their rendering differs from the original presentation, and it's possible to identify and recover the original source view.Basically we need to remember that every media 'consumer' is also a 'producer', and stop putting legal and technical roadblocks in the way of the natural human way of disseminating information.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314120</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314006</id>
	<title>Monopoly</title>
	<author>Aladrin</author>
	<datestamp>1259869260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>" And then there's the issue of monopoly, which must give the authors the willies."</p><p>WHAT monopoly?  They already sign to a single publisher for a book as it is.  That publisher has always gotten to make all the publishing decisions.  It's business as usual!</p><p>And if the answer is 'DRM', then they are doubly fools.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" And then there 's the issue of monopoly , which must give the authors the willies .
" WHAT monopoly ?
They already sign to a single publisher for a book as it is .
That publisher has always gotten to make all the publishing decisions .
It 's business as usual ! And if the answer is 'DRM ' , then they are doubly fools .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>" And then there's the issue of monopoly, which must give the authors the willies.
"WHAT monopoly?
They already sign to a single publisher for a book as it is.
That publisher has always gotten to make all the publishing decisions.
It's business as usual!And if the answer is 'DRM', then they are doubly fools.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30315188</id>
	<title>Another passing fad</title>
	<author>Token\_Internet\_Girl</author>
	<datestamp>1259830800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can't reasonably see devices like the Kindle being nothing more than a technological fad unless the costs come down for purchasing a unit and subsequent books. Many users of said devices say they are flimsy and break easily, and several months ago there was the controversial story of the 1984 book deletions by Amazon: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html/" title="nytimes.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html/</a> [nytimes.com]. Why not just carry around PDF's of books you legally own on a Netbook?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't reasonably see devices like the Kindle being nothing more than a technological fad unless the costs come down for purchasing a unit and subsequent books .
Many users of said devices say they are flimsy and break easily , and several months ago there was the controversial story of the 1984 book deletions by Amazon : http : //www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html/ [ nytimes.com ] .
Why not just carry around PDF 's of books you legally own on a Netbook ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't reasonably see devices like the Kindle being nothing more than a technological fad unless the costs come down for purchasing a unit and subsequent books.
Many users of said devices say they are flimsy and break easily, and several months ago there was the controversial story of the 1984 book deletions by Amazon: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html/ [nytimes.com].
Why not just carry around PDF's of books you legally own on a Netbook?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314140</id>
	<title>Re:Wait for interoperability</title>
	<author>njen</author>
	<datestamp>1259869860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My thoughts exactly. But then what happens after it all settles down is the possible problem of a monopoly, and the potential abuse it may cause. Honestly I don't know what's worse: the incompatibility of the various systems but with a healthy competition to drive innovation, or the ease of use of a monopolistic system but with the threat of potential abuse technically, creatively and monetarily.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My thoughts exactly .
But then what happens after it all settles down is the possible problem of a monopoly , and the potential abuse it may cause .
Honestly I do n't know what 's worse : the incompatibility of the various systems but with a healthy competition to drive innovation , or the ease of use of a monopolistic system but with the threat of potential abuse technically , creatively and monetarily .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My thoughts exactly.
But then what happens after it all settles down is the possible problem of a monopoly, and the potential abuse it may cause.
Honestly I don't know what's worse: the incompatibility of the various systems but with a healthy competition to drive innovation, or the ease of use of a monopolistic system but with the threat of potential abuse technically, creatively and monetarily.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30315622</id>
	<title>Re:Some of the criticisms are just wrong</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259832660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>imbed is not a word. Embed is.</htmltext>
<tokenext>imbed is not a word .
Embed is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>imbed is not a word.
Embed is.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314166</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30313718</id>
	<title>No problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259868180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I love the -idea- of Ebook readers, nothing is more awesome than being able -in theory- to carry around all my college text books and all my favorite novels on a thin little device that has a huge battery life. But in general all the systems that I've thought about buying I've turned down for being to locked down, or to expensive. DRM and Price is really a deal breaker, and the idea of rebuying books I already own so I can read them on my ebook reader is a little obnoxious.

I love the Idea just hate the execution thus far, but I'm still hopeful for the tech to catch on.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I love the -idea- of Ebook readers , nothing is more awesome than being able -in theory- to carry around all my college text books and all my favorite novels on a thin little device that has a huge battery life .
But in general all the systems that I 've thought about buying I 've turned down for being to locked down , or to expensive .
DRM and Price is really a deal breaker , and the idea of rebuying books I already own so I can read them on my ebook reader is a little obnoxious .
I love the Idea just hate the execution thus far , but I 'm still hopeful for the tech to catch on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love the -idea- of Ebook readers, nothing is more awesome than being able -in theory- to carry around all my college text books and all my favorite novels on a thin little device that has a huge battery life.
But in general all the systems that I've thought about buying I've turned down for being to locked down, or to expensive.
DRM and Price is really a deal breaker, and the idea of rebuying books I already own so I can read them on my ebook reader is a little obnoxious.
I love the Idea just hate the execution thus far, but I'm still hopeful for the tech to catch on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30316844</id>
	<title>On The Media - another comparison</title>
	<author>sl149q</author>
	<datestamp>1259836920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WNYC's On The Media recently focused on books for their weekly show. One of the segments (you can listen or read transcript here: <a href="http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2009/11/27/04" title="onthemedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2009/11/27/04</a> [onthemedia.org]) discussed a New York City University deans experiment with reading Dickens Little Dorrit four ways, the original (book), Kindle, iPhone and Audio. The result was a favorable report for all four with a "win" for the iPhone. It had a brighter screen, flipped pages faster and (to quote Woody Allen) 70\% of success in life is showing up... The iPhone tended to be with her where other devices required pre-planning.</p><p>Personally I don't have a Kindle (they only very recently became available here in the frozen north) but I've been reading Project Gutenburg books on my iPhone since about the day after I got my iPhone. Love it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>WNYC 's On The Media recently focused on books for their weekly show .
One of the segments ( you can listen or read transcript here : http : //www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2009/11/27/04 [ onthemedia.org ] ) discussed a New York City University deans experiment with reading Dickens Little Dorrit four ways , the original ( book ) , Kindle , iPhone and Audio .
The result was a favorable report for all four with a " win " for the iPhone .
It had a brighter screen , flipped pages faster and ( to quote Woody Allen ) 70 \ % of success in life is showing up... The iPhone tended to be with her where other devices required pre-planning.Personally I do n't have a Kindle ( they only very recently became available here in the frozen north ) but I 've been reading Project Gutenburg books on my iPhone since about the day after I got my iPhone .
Love it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WNYC's On The Media recently focused on books for their weekly show.
One of the segments (you can listen or read transcript here: http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2009/11/27/04 [onthemedia.org]) discussed a New York City University deans experiment with reading Dickens Little Dorrit four ways, the original (book), Kindle, iPhone and Audio.
The result was a favorable report for all four with a "win" for the iPhone.
It had a brighter screen, flipped pages faster and (to quote Woody Allen) 70\% of success in life is showing up... The iPhone tended to be with her where other devices required pre-planning.Personally I don't have a Kindle (they only very recently became available here in the frozen north) but I've been reading Project Gutenburg books on my iPhone since about the day after I got my iPhone.
Love it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314954</id>
	<title>I'n not a fan of any of the readers yet, but....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259873280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I realize that they represent where the future is going. None of the readers out on the market right now are quite what I would call the real version 1.0 of the e-book reader...but fighting against it and worrying about indices and fonts or monopolies seems like a less than useful thing. One can't fight this trend - the best we can do is try to direct it to a better result.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I realize that they represent where the future is going .
None of the readers out on the market right now are quite what I would call the real version 1.0 of the e-book reader...but fighting against it and worrying about indices and fonts or monopolies seems like a less than useful thing .
One ca n't fight this trend - the best we can do is try to direct it to a better result .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I realize that they represent where the future is going.
None of the readers out on the market right now are quite what I would call the real version 1.0 of the e-book reader...but fighting against it and worrying about indices and fonts or monopolies seems like a less than useful thing.
One can't fight this trend - the best we can do is try to direct it to a better result.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314226</id>
	<title>Re:No problem</title>
	<author>DragonWriter</author>
	<datestamp>1259870160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>But in general all the systems that I've thought about buying I've turned down for being to locked down, or to expensive.</p></div></blockquote><p>The bookstores linked to each device may be DRM-laden, but most will read ebooks loaded from other sources that are DRM-free, and there are plenty of DRM-free ebooks in formats usable on reader devices available from publishers over the web rather than the through the bookstores linked to the readers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But in general all the systems that I 've thought about buying I 've turned down for being to locked down , or to expensive.The bookstores linked to each device may be DRM-laden , but most will read ebooks loaded from other sources that are DRM-free , and there are plenty of DRM-free ebooks in formats usable on reader devices available from publishers over the web rather than the through the bookstores linked to the readers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But in general all the systems that I've thought about buying I've turned down for being to locked down, or to expensive.The bookstores linked to each device may be DRM-laden, but most will read ebooks loaded from other sources that are DRM-free, and there are plenty of DRM-free ebooks in formats usable on reader devices available from publishers over the web rather than the through the bookstores linked to the readers.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30315854</id>
	<title>Re:No problem</title>
	<author>bazorg</author>
	<datestamp>1259833680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well let's see you put your money where your mouth is. right now at ebuyer.com item: 176445 <p> that's &pound;120, no DRM. There are 270 in stock right now, I expect to see them all gone tomorrow after my post is read by a lot of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.rs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well let 's see you put your money where your mouth is .
right now at ebuyer.com item : 176445 that 's   120 , no DRM .
There are 270 in stock right now , I expect to see them all gone tomorrow after my post is read by a lot of /.rs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well let's see you put your money where your mouth is.
right now at ebuyer.com item: 176445  that's £120, no DRM.
There are 270 in stock right now, I expect to see them all gone tomorrow after my post is read by a lot of /.rs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30320166</id>
	<title>Re:Wait for interoperability</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1259854680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Personally, I never re-read books, and I consider the probability of Amazon going bankrupt to be very small, anyway. So I have no worries with buying digital books from them, and I love my ebook reader.</p></div><p>Well that is good news at least.  Because even with Amazon not going out of business, you won't have very long to re-read that book you bought from them before they delete it off your device for you<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , I never re-read books , and I consider the probability of Amazon going bankrupt to be very small , anyway .
So I have no worries with buying digital books from them , and I love my ebook reader.Well that is good news at least .
Because even with Amazon not going out of business , you wo n't have very long to re-read that book you bought from them before they delete it off your device for you : P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, I never re-read books, and I consider the probability of Amazon going bankrupt to be very small, anyway.
So I have no worries with buying digital books from them, and I love my ebook reader.Well that is good news at least.
Because even with Amazon not going out of business, you won't have very long to re-read that book you bought from them before they delete it off your device for you :P
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30313876</id>
	<title>Wait for interoperability</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1259868720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
There are now four or five e-book readers, each with their own incompatible "ecosystem".  Until that settles down, don't get one.  Most of them are going to fail, and you'll lose your content. Just like the people who signed up for WalMart Music or Microsoft PlaysForSure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are now four or five e-book readers , each with their own incompatible " ecosystem " .
Until that settles down , do n't get one .
Most of them are going to fail , and you 'll lose your content .
Just like the people who signed up for WalMart Music or Microsoft PlaysForSure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
There are now four or five e-book readers, each with their own incompatible "ecosystem".
Until that settles down, don't get one.
Most of them are going to fail, and you'll lose your content.
Just like the people who signed up for WalMart Music or Microsoft PlaysForSure.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30316232</id>
	<title>Re:No problem</title>
	<author>WalkingBear</author>
	<datestamp>1259835120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"There is no source that I know of for new, legal novels without DRM."</p><p>Wrong.   Baen publishing has been selling their entire catalog for almost 10 years with NO DRM.  RTF, HTML, Mobi, epub, sony, and rocket formats.     Direct support from their store for e-mailing to your kindle and relatively simple support for the iphone/ipod touch.</p><p>They're also selling several other publisher's books through their store now too.   Including a direct competitor, Tor.</p><p>Scott</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" There is no source that I know of for new , legal novels without DRM. " Wrong .
Baen publishing has been selling their entire catalog for almost 10 years with NO DRM .
RTF , HTML , Mobi , epub , sony , and rocket formats .
Direct support from their store for e-mailing to your kindle and relatively simple support for the iphone/ipod touch.They 're also selling several other publisher 's books through their store now too .
Including a direct competitor , Tor.Scott</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"There is no source that I know of for new, legal novels without DRM."Wrong.
Baen publishing has been selling their entire catalog for almost 10 years with NO DRM.
RTF, HTML, Mobi, epub, sony, and rocket formats.
Direct support from their store for e-mailing to your kindle and relatively simple support for the iphone/ipod touch.They're also selling several other publisher's books through their store now too.
Including a direct competitor, Tor.Scott</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314396</id>
	<title>Re:I foresee...</title>
	<author>gEvil (beta)</author>
	<datestamp>1259870820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>
a revival of "Choose Your Own Adventure" books.
</i> <br>
<br>
<a href="http://randomizeme.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/free-e-book-download-house-of-danger-choose-your-own-adventure-6-kindle-edition-by-r-a-montgomery/" title="wordpress.com">It's already started to happen.</a> [wordpress.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>a revival of " Choose Your Own Adventure " books .
It 's already started to happen .
[ wordpress.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
a revival of "Choose Your Own Adventure" books.
It's already started to happen.
[wordpress.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30321756</id>
	<title>Ebook readers currently suck</title>
	<author>socratesisamortal</author>
	<datestamp>1259917440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I looked for an e-book reader a few weeks ago.  The current e-book readers that you can buy all suck for some specific reason, for me.</p><p>I'd like an e-book reader that you can plug into your USB port and simply copy files over.</p><p>It should have WiFi so you can browse the internet. Why? Sometimes I'm reading a book and I see a word I'd like to research on e.g. Wikipedia.</p><p>It should support custom dictionaries.  I read Latin/Greek books so I'd like to use Lewis and Short.</p><p>Lastly, I only found 1 e-book read that supported<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.djvu.  It's my favorite book format, so this is a non-negotiable feature.</p><p>So I've put off buying one till something comes out that can do all of that on a decent display size with decent battery life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I looked for an e-book reader a few weeks ago .
The current e-book readers that you can buy all suck for some specific reason , for me.I 'd like an e-book reader that you can plug into your USB port and simply copy files over.It should have WiFi so you can browse the internet .
Why ? Sometimes I 'm reading a book and I see a word I 'd like to research on e.g .
Wikipedia.It should support custom dictionaries .
I read Latin/Greek books so I 'd like to use Lewis and Short.Lastly , I only found 1 e-book read that supported .djvu .
It 's my favorite book format , so this is a non-negotiable feature.So I 've put off buying one till something comes out that can do all of that on a decent display size with decent battery life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I looked for an e-book reader a few weeks ago.
The current e-book readers that you can buy all suck for some specific reason, for me.I'd like an e-book reader that you can plug into your USB port and simply copy files over.It should have WiFi so you can browse the internet.
Why? Sometimes I'm reading a book and I see a word I'd like to research on e.g.
Wikipedia.It should support custom dictionaries.
I read Latin/Greek books so I'd like to use Lewis and Short.Lastly, I only found 1 e-book read that supported .djvu.
It's my favorite book format, so this is a non-negotiable feature.So I've put off buying one till something comes out that can do all of that on a decent display size with decent battery life.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30315722</id>
	<title>Re:A question for someone in the know</title>
	<author>Simulant</author>
	<datestamp>1259833080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Screen refresh is far too slow on the ones I've used.   In their current form, e-paper readers are really only good for reading things straight through... like novels.  I also read a newspaper (grabbed from a web site) or two. I find that I don't get through a e-paper as fast a real one, mainly because I'm forced to read the whole thing sequentially.  I don't mind this too much.  I think I read more of the paper now, but... the point is, they make terrible reference/text books unless you don't mind doing a search for everything you're looking for.  Even then, they are still far slower than what most people would find acceptable.  You can't quickly or easily flip through books at this point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>      Screen refresh is far too slow on the ones I 've used .
In their current form , e-paper readers are really only good for reading things straight through... like novels .
I also read a newspaper ( grabbed from a web site ) or two .
I find that I do n't get through a e-paper as fast a real one , mainly because I 'm forced to read the whole thing sequentially .
I do n't mind this too much .
I think I read more of the paper now , but... the point is , they make terrible reference/text books unless you do n't mind doing a search for everything you 're looking for .
Even then , they are still far slower than what most people would find acceptable .
You ca n't quickly or easily flip through books at this point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
      Screen refresh is far too slow on the ones I've used.
In their current form, e-paper readers are really only good for reading things straight through... like novels.
I also read a newspaper (grabbed from a web site) or two.
I find that I don't get through a e-paper as fast a real one, mainly because I'm forced to read the whole thing sequentially.
I don't mind this too much.
I think I read more of the paper now, but... the point is, they make terrible reference/text books unless you don't mind doing a search for everything you're looking for.
Even then, they are still far slower than what most people would find acceptable.
You can't quickly or easily flip through books at this point.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314478</id>
	<title>Re:Fonts</title>
	<author>Mprx</author>
	<datestamp>1259871180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Consistent fonts are a good thing. People argue over hinting and serifs and kerning and the like, but the single most important factor in font legibility is familiarity. Always use the same font and you'll read faster and more accurately. This is a big reason why I prefer to read on screen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Consistent fonts are a good thing .
People argue over hinting and serifs and kerning and the like , but the single most important factor in font legibility is familiarity .
Always use the same font and you 'll read faster and more accurately .
This is a big reason why I prefer to read on screen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Consistent fonts are a good thing.
People argue over hinting and serifs and kerning and the like, but the single most important factor in font legibility is familiarity.
Always use the same font and you'll read faster and more accurately.
This is a big reason why I prefer to read on screen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30315096</id>
	<title>Re:Wait for interoperability</title>
	<author>radtea</author>
	<datestamp>1259873760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>You would only have to worry about losing access to DRM books if you get them from a company that may go bankrupt or stop making ebook readers.</i></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital\_Rights\_Management#Obsolescence" title="wikipedia.org">What?</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>DRM obsolescence of content sold by perfectly viable companies is a known problem.  It has nothing to do with companies going out of business or ceasing to sell a particular device.  It's all about the DRM technology and the chance for the company to get a sweeter licensing deal from someone else, and by-the-way force their customers to repurchase any content they still care about in the new DRM-crippled form.</p><p>If you buy DRM-crippled content there is a near certainty that you will lose it over a timescale of a few years.  As someone who still has a few books he bought thirty years ago or more, that is not even remotely acceptable to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You would only have to worry about losing access to DRM books if you get them from a company that may go bankrupt or stop making ebook readers.What ?
[ wikipedia.org ] DRM obsolescence of content sold by perfectly viable companies is a known problem .
It has nothing to do with companies going out of business or ceasing to sell a particular device .
It 's all about the DRM technology and the chance for the company to get a sweeter licensing deal from someone else , and by-the-way force their customers to repurchase any content they still care about in the new DRM-crippled form.If you buy DRM-crippled content there is a near certainty that you will lose it over a timescale of a few years .
As someone who still has a few books he bought thirty years ago or more , that is not even remotely acceptable to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You would only have to worry about losing access to DRM books if you get them from a company that may go bankrupt or stop making ebook readers.What?
[wikipedia.org]DRM obsolescence of content sold by perfectly viable companies is a known problem.
It has nothing to do with companies going out of business or ceasing to sell a particular device.
It's all about the DRM technology and the chance for the company to get a sweeter licensing deal from someone else, and by-the-way force their customers to repurchase any content they still care about in the new DRM-crippled form.If you buy DRM-crippled content there is a near certainty that you will lose it over a timescale of a few years.
As someone who still has a few books he bought thirty years ago or more, that is not even remotely acceptable to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30315250</id>
	<title>Re:No problem</title>
	<author>the\_last\_rites</author>
	<datestamp>1259831040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Astak EZReader 5" Pocket Pro

Battery Life : 8000 pages or around there

DRM Formats : Yea they're there, but there's no lockdown like in the case of Amazon, Sony or any of the other biggies. They're just additions to many formats like RTF,DOC,TXT,HTML,PDF(reflow),EPUB. The support for LIT and CHM is spotty at best and you'd best avoid them on the PocketPro. Then again, other than Pocketbook, chm support sucks across most readers in the market now.

Price : $199</htmltext>
<tokenext>Astak EZReader 5 " Pocket Pro Battery Life : 8000 pages or around there DRM Formats : Yea they 're there , but there 's no lockdown like in the case of Amazon , Sony or any of the other biggies .
They 're just additions to many formats like RTF,DOC,TXT,HTML,PDF ( reflow ) ,EPUB .
The support for LIT and CHM is spotty at best and you 'd best avoid them on the PocketPro .
Then again , other than Pocketbook , chm support sucks across most readers in the market now .
Price : $ 199</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Astak EZReader 5" Pocket Pro

Battery Life : 8000 pages or around there

DRM Formats : Yea they're there, but there's no lockdown like in the case of Amazon, Sony or any of the other biggies.
They're just additions to many formats like RTF,DOC,TXT,HTML,PDF(reflow),EPUB.
The support for LIT and CHM is spotty at best and you'd best avoid them on the PocketPro.
Then again, other than Pocketbook, chm support sucks across most readers in the market now.
Price : $199</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30325760</id>
	<title>Re:Another passing fad</title>
	<author>greg.collver</author>
	<datestamp>1259951280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I decided to try the netbook as an ereader about 6 months ago and I like it. The netbook is not as light as an ebook reader, but it is light enough and it is much more versatile. Be sure to get an 8-9 hour battery pack. A touch screen would be nice.

A single purpose e-book reader would need to follow an open standard, cost less than $100, have an 8+ hour battery life to interest me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I decided to try the netbook as an ereader about 6 months ago and I like it .
The netbook is not as light as an ebook reader , but it is light enough and it is much more versatile .
Be sure to get an 8-9 hour battery pack .
A touch screen would be nice .
A single purpose e-book reader would need to follow an open standard , cost less than $ 100 , have an 8 + hour battery life to interest me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I decided to try the netbook as an ereader about 6 months ago and I like it.
The netbook is not as light as an ebook reader, but it is light enough and it is much more versatile.
Be sure to get an 8-9 hour battery pack.
A touch screen would be nice.
A single purpose e-book reader would need to follow an open standard, cost less than $100, have an 8+ hour battery life to interest me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30313896</id>
	<title>Lee Childs?  I don't think so</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259868780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><em> Lee Child, author of the Jack Reacher novels, actually likes the simplicity because he can concentrate on the words themselves.</em>

<br> <br>

Someone at work suggested I might like his books.  I found one at a used book stand and started reading.  The words to describe his writing style are stilted and simplistic.  I felt like I was running into a wall at the end of every sentence. (get the hint?)

<br> <br>

I think I got through the first paragraph before skipping around the next few pages then finally giving up.  There might be an interesting story somewhere in those pages, but I couldn't stay around long enough to find it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lee Child , author of the Jack Reacher novels , actually likes the simplicity because he can concentrate on the words themselves .
Someone at work suggested I might like his books .
I found one at a used book stand and started reading .
The words to describe his writing style are stilted and simplistic .
I felt like I was running into a wall at the end of every sentence .
( get the hint ?
) I think I got through the first paragraph before skipping around the next few pages then finally giving up .
There might be an interesting story somewhere in those pages , but I could n't stay around long enough to find it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Lee Child, author of the Jack Reacher novels, actually likes the simplicity because he can concentrate on the words themselves.
Someone at work suggested I might like his books.
I found one at a used book stand and started reading.
The words to describe his writing style are stilted and simplistic.
I felt like I was running into a wall at the end of every sentence.
(get the hint?
)

 

I think I got through the first paragraph before skipping around the next few pages then finally giving up.
There might be an interesting story somewhere in those pages, but I couldn't stay around long enough to find it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30320756</id>
	<title>Re:Wait for interoperability</title>
	<author>Bigjeff5</author>
	<datestamp>1259860140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love how people make bold advice based on 2-year old information.</p><p>There are now about seven or eight <i>manufacturers</i> of ebook readers, and 20 or so models to choose from.  The majority of those support ePub format, including anything that has been released in the last year or two, and ePub is quickly becoming the format of choice among ebook retailers.</p><p>Except for the Kindle, interoperability is here.  Go out and buy an ebook reader - if there is a particular format you want you can hunt down the device that will do it, but really all you need to do is look for ePub and Digital Editions (so you can buy those nasty DRM titles, which are the majority).</p><p>It almost looks like Amazon is positioning themselves to be the Macintosh of ebook readers - except since within the next year or so they won't have any great benefits over the other readers, they'll tank.  Having access to Amazon's ebook store would be great, as I think they are the largest individual retailer for ebooks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love how people make bold advice based on 2-year old information.There are now about seven or eight manufacturers of ebook readers , and 20 or so models to choose from .
The majority of those support ePub format , including anything that has been released in the last year or two , and ePub is quickly becoming the format of choice among ebook retailers.Except for the Kindle , interoperability is here .
Go out and buy an ebook reader - if there is a particular format you want you can hunt down the device that will do it , but really all you need to do is look for ePub and Digital Editions ( so you can buy those nasty DRM titles , which are the majority ) .It almost looks like Amazon is positioning themselves to be the Macintosh of ebook readers - except since within the next year or so they wo n't have any great benefits over the other readers , they 'll tank .
Having access to Amazon 's ebook store would be great , as I think they are the largest individual retailer for ebooks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love how people make bold advice based on 2-year old information.There are now about seven or eight manufacturers of ebook readers, and 20 or so models to choose from.
The majority of those support ePub format, including anything that has been released in the last year or two, and ePub is quickly becoming the format of choice among ebook retailers.Except for the Kindle, interoperability is here.
Go out and buy an ebook reader - if there is a particular format you want you can hunt down the device that will do it, but really all you need to do is look for ePub and Digital Editions (so you can buy those nasty DRM titles, which are the majority).It almost looks like Amazon is positioning themselves to be the Macintosh of ebook readers - except since within the next year or so they won't have any great benefits over the other readers, they'll tank.
Having access to Amazon's ebook store would be great, as I think they are the largest individual retailer for ebooks.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30317372</id>
	<title>Re:Fonts</title>
	<author>JohnBailey</author>
	<datestamp>1259838660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>One thing that made "The Road" striking was indeed the unique font, which shared a touch of the same depressing tone as the terse text. Times New Roman et al would have degraded the reading experience.

When might we see eBook readers which allow inclusion of text-specific fonts?</p></div><p>Right now. The Cybook gen3. Any true type font you like.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One thing that made " The Road " striking was indeed the unique font , which shared a touch of the same depressing tone as the terse text .
Times New Roman et al would have degraded the reading experience .
When might we see eBook readers which allow inclusion of text-specific fonts ? Right now .
The Cybook gen3 .
Any true type font you like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One thing that made "The Road" striking was indeed the unique font, which shared a touch of the same depressing tone as the terse text.
Times New Roman et al would have degraded the reading experience.
When might we see eBook readers which allow inclusion of text-specific fonts?Right now.
The Cybook gen3.
Any true type font you like.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30320658</id>
	<title>Re:stupid</title>
	<author>Bigjeff5</author>
	<datestamp>1259859000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know of an e-reader that <b>can't</b> do multiple fonts and illustrations and all that, it makes no difference.  I don't see why it's a sticking point for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know of an e-reader that ca n't do multiple fonts and illustrations and all that , it makes no difference .
I do n't see why it 's a sticking point for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know of an e-reader that can't do multiple fonts and illustrations and all that, it makes no difference.
I don't see why it's a sticking point for you.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314152</id>
	<title>Re:I foresee...</title>
	<author>east coast</author>
	<datestamp>1259869920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094737/" title="imdb.com">Josh Baskin's</a> [imdb.com] dreams have finally manifested into a physical product!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Josh Baskin 's [ imdb.com ] dreams have finally manifested into a physical product !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Josh Baskin's [imdb.com] dreams have finally manifested into a physical product!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314566</id>
	<title>Re:No problem</title>
	<author>Nyeerrmm</author>
	<datestamp>1259871540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To be clear, and this FUD has been going around since the thing came out, you can use non-DRM formats on the Kindle. TXT and MOBI/PRC files can be read no problem -- the device mounts as a flash drive, you copy them over and they appear readable on the home screen.  You can also get DOC and HTML files converted for free.  The lack of ePub could be a frustration if a good DRM-free ePub store appears, but given that the spec leaves room for any DRM scheme to I expect that it will be just as fractured as anything else.</p><p>The real problem isn't the devices, its the stores.  There is no source that I know of for new, legal novels without DRM. I don't think we'll see this until publishers get scared of Amazon or someone else dominating the market and pulls an Amazon Music Store -- offering DRM free MOBI or ePub in order to get into the market with the largest installed base.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To be clear , and this FUD has been going around since the thing came out , you can use non-DRM formats on the Kindle .
TXT and MOBI/PRC files can be read no problem -- the device mounts as a flash drive , you copy them over and they appear readable on the home screen .
You can also get DOC and HTML files converted for free .
The lack of ePub could be a frustration if a good DRM-free ePub store appears , but given that the spec leaves room for any DRM scheme to I expect that it will be just as fractured as anything else.The real problem is n't the devices , its the stores .
There is no source that I know of for new , legal novels without DRM .
I do n't think we 'll see this until publishers get scared of Amazon or someone else dominating the market and pulls an Amazon Music Store -- offering DRM free MOBI or ePub in order to get into the market with the largest installed base .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be clear, and this FUD has been going around since the thing came out, you can use non-DRM formats on the Kindle.
TXT and MOBI/PRC files can be read no problem -- the device mounts as a flash drive, you copy them over and they appear readable on the home screen.
You can also get DOC and HTML files converted for free.
The lack of ePub could be a frustration if a good DRM-free ePub store appears, but given that the spec leaves room for any DRM scheme to I expect that it will be just as fractured as anything else.The real problem isn't the devices, its the stores.
There is no source that I know of for new, legal novels without DRM.
I don't think we'll see this until publishers get scared of Amazon or someone else dominating the market and pulls an Amazon Music Store -- offering DRM free MOBI or ePub in order to get into the market with the largest installed base.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30316370</id>
	<title>Re:No problem</title>
	<author>CottonThePirate</author>
	<datestamp>1259835660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just to correct you on one point, the kindle 2 and DS read PDF natively.  Only the Kindle 1 needs you to send it thru Amazon.  Books are transferable to up to 5 kindles on one account, not to a stranger. Although most of the ebooks that claim this as a feature have it crippled. (For example the Nook lets you lend a book only one time for 14 days).

Your other points are all valid; however, I like my families kindles and they treat us well. YMMV</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just to correct you on one point , the kindle 2 and DS read PDF natively .
Only the Kindle 1 needs you to send it thru Amazon .
Books are transferable to up to 5 kindles on one account , not to a stranger .
Although most of the ebooks that claim this as a feature have it crippled .
( For example the Nook lets you lend a book only one time for 14 days ) .
Your other points are all valid ; however , I like my families kindles and they treat us well .
YMMV</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just to correct you on one point, the kindle 2 and DS read PDF natively.
Only the Kindle 1 needs you to send it thru Amazon.
Books are transferable to up to 5 kindles on one account, not to a stranger.
Although most of the ebooks that claim this as a feature have it crippled.
(For example the Nook lets you lend a book only one time for 14 days).
Your other points are all valid; however, I like my families kindles and they treat us well.
YMMV</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30320620</id>
	<title>Re:No problem</title>
	<author>Bigjeff5</author>
	<datestamp>1259858700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ripping CDs for personal use is legal in the US.  In fact, it's legal to do the same for DVDs and Blue Ray too.  Unfortunately, some monkeys in congress pushed through a bill dreamt up by the media industries that makes it illegal to attempt to circumvent copy protection schemes, even if it is legal for you to copy the media.</p><p>It's like saying breaking into a car is illegal, even if it's your own car.  Stupid.</p><p>Most CDs have no copy protection, so ripping to mp3s (again for personal use) is legal.  That's not the case for DVDs and BDs though, thanks to that idiotic law.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ripping CDs for personal use is legal in the US .
In fact , it 's legal to do the same for DVDs and Blue Ray too .
Unfortunately , some monkeys in congress pushed through a bill dreamt up by the media industries that makes it illegal to attempt to circumvent copy protection schemes , even if it is legal for you to copy the media.It 's like saying breaking into a car is illegal , even if it 's your own car .
Stupid.Most CDs have no copy protection , so ripping to mp3s ( again for personal use ) is legal .
That 's not the case for DVDs and BDs though , thanks to that idiotic law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ripping CDs for personal use is legal in the US.
In fact, it's legal to do the same for DVDs and Blue Ray too.
Unfortunately, some monkeys in congress pushed through a bill dreamt up by the media industries that makes it illegal to attempt to circumvent copy protection schemes, even if it is legal for you to copy the media.It's like saying breaking into a car is illegal, even if it's your own car.
Stupid.Most CDs have no copy protection, so ripping to mp3s (again for personal use) is legal.
That's not the case for DVDs and BDs though, thanks to that idiotic law.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30314056</id>
	<title>Re:Fonts</title>
	<author>DragonWriter</author>
	<datestamp>1259869500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>When might we see eBook readers which allow inclusion of text-specific fonts?</p></div></blockquote><p>We already see them: for instance, readers that support PDFs exist--including the Nook and the Kindle DX. The non-PDF eBook formats that are popular for use on readers, while they may support specifying fonts, generally don't (much like HTML) require it, and default to whatever default font is set on the device.</p><p>As the same document in these formats can be viewed on different types of readers (e-paper vs. small LCD vs. larger LCD computer monitor) and readability of different fonts varies on different device types, and to an extent by reader, that's actually a very sensible way to make widely-usable content.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When might we see eBook readers which allow inclusion of text-specific fonts ? We already see them : for instance , readers that support PDFs exist--including the Nook and the Kindle DX .
The non-PDF eBook formats that are popular for use on readers , while they may support specifying fonts , generally do n't ( much like HTML ) require it , and default to whatever default font is set on the device.As the same document in these formats can be viewed on different types of readers ( e-paper vs. small LCD vs. larger LCD computer monitor ) and readability of different fonts varies on different device types , and to an extent by reader , that 's actually a very sensible way to make widely-usable content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When might we see eBook readers which allow inclusion of text-specific fonts?We already see them: for instance, readers that support PDFs exist--including the Nook and the Kindle DX.
The non-PDF eBook formats that are popular for use on readers, while they may support specifying fonts, generally don't (much like HTML) require it, and default to whatever default font is set on the device.As the same document in these formats can be viewed on different types of readers (e-paper vs. small LCD vs. larger LCD computer monitor) and readability of different fonts varies on different device types, and to an extent by reader, that's actually a very sensible way to make widely-usable content.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30315610</id>
	<title>Re:No problem</title>
	<author>Nyeerrmm</author>
	<datestamp>1259832660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looking at the B&amp;N ebook store, it looks like everything thats not public domain is still DRM'd.  To me this isn't any better than the amazon store, since while both are built on a decently open format (ePub and Mobi), you still can't read them without authenticating them.  DRM is going to make incompatibilities, there is no way around it.  While there are no sources of DRM free movies, there are plenty of sources of DRM free music.  This was done because the music labels were scared to death of being bullied around by Apple.  Movies are different for now because its still a physical medium controlled by the publishers, and they're not scared of themeselves -- if and when digital/non-streaming distribution becomes more dominant in movies we're bound to see something similar happen.</p><p>And this isn't to say I'm a Kindle partisan.  If I were in the market now I'd be looking at the other options too.  I'm just saying that its disingenuous to say you HAVE to use DRM-locked files on the Kindle -- this misinformation has been spread endlessly around the internet.  I just looked and its quite easy to get MOBI files on Gutenberg, and I've read quite a few books from Baen on mine.  As soon as I see a general audience DRM-free eBook store with good selection I'll jump ship, until then its just picking what vendor you want to be locked into.  I apologize if you thought I was being rude, I was simply trying to correct a misconception I see a lot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looking at the B&amp;N ebook store , it looks like everything thats not public domain is still DRM 'd .
To me this is n't any better than the amazon store , since while both are built on a decently open format ( ePub and Mobi ) , you still ca n't read them without authenticating them .
DRM is going to make incompatibilities , there is no way around it .
While there are no sources of DRM free movies , there are plenty of sources of DRM free music .
This was done because the music labels were scared to death of being bullied around by Apple .
Movies are different for now because its still a physical medium controlled by the publishers , and they 're not scared of themeselves -- if and when digital/non-streaming distribution becomes more dominant in movies we 're bound to see something similar happen.And this is n't to say I 'm a Kindle partisan .
If I were in the market now I 'd be looking at the other options too .
I 'm just saying that its disingenuous to say you HAVE to use DRM-locked files on the Kindle -- this misinformation has been spread endlessly around the internet .
I just looked and its quite easy to get MOBI files on Gutenberg , and I 've read quite a few books from Baen on mine .
As soon as I see a general audience DRM-free eBook store with good selection I 'll jump ship , until then its just picking what vendor you want to be locked into .
I apologize if you thought I was being rude , I was simply trying to correct a misconception I see a lot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looking at the B&amp;N ebook store, it looks like everything thats not public domain is still DRM'd.
To me this isn't any better than the amazon store, since while both are built on a decently open format (ePub and Mobi), you still can't read them without authenticating them.
DRM is going to make incompatibilities, there is no way around it.
While there are no sources of DRM free movies, there are plenty of sources of DRM free music.
This was done because the music labels were scared to death of being bullied around by Apple.
Movies are different for now because its still a physical medium controlled by the publishers, and they're not scared of themeselves -- if and when digital/non-streaming distribution becomes more dominant in movies we're bound to see something similar happen.And this isn't to say I'm a Kindle partisan.
If I were in the market now I'd be looking at the other options too.
I'm just saying that its disingenuous to say you HAVE to use DRM-locked files on the Kindle -- this misinformation has been spread endlessly around the internet.
I just looked and its quite easy to get MOBI files on Gutenberg, and I've read quite a few books from Baen on mine.
As soon as I see a general audience DRM-free eBook store with good selection I'll jump ship, until then its just picking what vendor you want to be locked into.
I apologize if you thought I was being rude, I was simply trying to correct a misconception I see a lot.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1819252.30316304</id>
	<title>Re:I foresee...</title>
	<author>Brandee07</author>
	<datestamp>1259835420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amazon beat you to the punch: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/qid=1259874947/ref=sr\_nr\_seeall\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;rs=&amp;keywords=kindle\%20choose\%20your\%20own\%20adventure&amp;rh=i:aps,k:kindle\%20choose\%20your\%20own\%20adventure,i:digital-text" title="amazon.com">Amazon search for "choose your own adventure"</a> [amazon.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amazon beat you to the punch : Amazon search for " choose your own adventure " [ amazon.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amazon beat you to the punch: Amazon search for "choose your own adventure" [amazon.com]</sentencetext>
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