<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_02_152241</id>
	<title>NASA Nebula, Cloud Computing In a Container</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1259767260000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>1sockchuck writes <i>"NASA has built its Nebula cloud computing platform inside a <a href="http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/12/02/nasas-nebula-the-cloud-in-a-container/">data center container</a> so it can add capacity quickly, bringing extra containers online in 120 days. <a href="http://nebula.nasa.gov/">Nebula</a> will provide on-demand computing power for NASA researchers managing large data sets and image repositories. 'Nebula has been designed to automatically increase the computing power and storage available to science- and data-oriented web applications as demand rises,' explains NASA's Chris Kemp. NASA has created the project using open source components and will release Nebula back to the open source community. 'Hopefully we can provide a good example of a successful large-scale open source project in the government and pave the way for similar projects in other agencies,' the Nebula team <a href="http://nebula.nasa.gov/blog/2009/nov/lowering-the-barrier-to-open-source/">writes on its blog</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>1sockchuck writes " NASA has built its Nebula cloud computing platform inside a data center container so it can add capacity quickly , bringing extra containers online in 120 days .
Nebula will provide on-demand computing power for NASA researchers managing large data sets and image repositories .
'Nebula has been designed to automatically increase the computing power and storage available to science- and data-oriented web applications as demand rises, ' explains NASA 's Chris Kemp .
NASA has created the project using open source components and will release Nebula back to the open source community .
'Hopefully we can provide a good example of a successful large-scale open source project in the government and pave the way for similar projects in other agencies, ' the Nebula team writes on its blog .
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<sentencetext>1sockchuck writes "NASA has built its Nebula cloud computing platform inside a data center container so it can add capacity quickly, bringing extra containers online in 120 days.
Nebula will provide on-demand computing power for NASA researchers managing large data sets and image repositories.
'Nebula has been designed to automatically increase the computing power and storage available to science- and data-oriented web applications as demand rises,' explains NASA's Chris Kemp.
NASA has created the project using open source components and will release Nebula back to the open source community.
'Hopefully we can provide a good example of a successful large-scale open source project in the government and pave the way for similar projects in other agencies,' the Nebula team writes on its blog.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30297958</id>
	<title>Is NASA suffering from mission creep?</title>
	<author>wisebabo</author>
	<datestamp>1259599860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look, I'm a big fan of the space program and everything but with the country at (two) war(s), hocked to the hilt, economically stuttering, NASA (like the rest of the government) needs to be focused on its "core competencies" (no I'm not a PHB).  Where does building data centers fit into NASA's mission statement?</p><p>I realize that there are tremendous amounts of data that needs to be captured, analyzed and archived (the Terra satellite sends a terabyte of data a day alone I think) but isn't this something that can be done more efficiently by private industry (Google?).  Maybe it can be even outsourced providing it is not of a sensitive nature, I mean isn't the data for all mankind?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look , I 'm a big fan of the space program and everything but with the country at ( two ) war ( s ) , hocked to the hilt , economically stuttering , NASA ( like the rest of the government ) needs to be focused on its " core competencies " ( no I 'm not a PHB ) .
Where does building data centers fit into NASA 's mission statement ? I realize that there are tremendous amounts of data that needs to be captured , analyzed and archived ( the Terra satellite sends a terabyte of data a day alone I think ) but is n't this something that can be done more efficiently by private industry ( Google ? ) .
Maybe it can be even outsourced providing it is not of a sensitive nature , I mean is n't the data for all mankind ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look, I'm a big fan of the space program and everything but with the country at (two) war(s), hocked to the hilt, economically stuttering, NASA (like the rest of the government) needs to be focused on its "core competencies" (no I'm not a PHB).
Where does building data centers fit into NASA's mission statement?I realize that there are tremendous amounts of data that needs to be captured, analyzed and archived (the Terra satellite sends a terabyte of data a day alone I think) but isn't this something that can be done more efficiently by private industry (Google?).
Maybe it can be even outsourced providing it is not of a sensitive nature, I mean isn't the data for all mankind?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30297864</id>
	<title>The Obama Prayer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259599560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obama is the shepherd I did not want.<br>He leadeth me beside the still factories.<br>He restoreth my faith in the Republican party.<br>He guideth me in the path of unemployment for his party's sake.<br>Yea, though I walk through the valley of the bread line,<br>I shall fear no hunger for his bailouts are with me.<br>He has anointed my income with taxes,<br>My expenses runneth over.<br>Surely, poverty and hard living will follow me all the days of my life,<br>And I will live in a mortgaged home forever.<br>I am glad I am American,<br>I am glad that I am free.<br>But I wish I was a dog<br>And Obama was a tree.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obama is the shepherd I did not want.He leadeth me beside the still factories.He restoreth my faith in the Republican party.He guideth me in the path of unemployment for his party 's sake.Yea , though I walk through the valley of the bread line,I shall fear no hunger for his bailouts are with me.He has anointed my income with taxes,My expenses runneth over.Surely , poverty and hard living will follow me all the days of my life,And I will live in a mortgaged home forever.I am glad I am American,I am glad that I am free.But I wish I was a dogAnd Obama was a tree .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obama is the shepherd I did not want.He leadeth me beside the still factories.He restoreth my faith in the Republican party.He guideth me in the path of unemployment for his party's sake.Yea, though I walk through the valley of the bread line,I shall fear no hunger for his bailouts are with me.He has anointed my income with taxes,My expenses runneth over.Surely, poverty and hard living will follow me all the days of my life,And I will live in a mortgaged home forever.I am glad I am American,I am glad that I am free.But I wish I was a dogAnd Obama was a tree.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30299196</id>
	<title>Re:Is NASA suffering from mission creep?</title>
	<author>Angst Badger</author>
	<datestamp>1259605320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>but isn't this something that can be done more efficiently by private industry</p> </div><p>I know that there is, in some areas, a belief in the unicorns-and-rainbows magical power of private industry to perform more efficiently -- a view that makes one wonder how many of its adherents have actually held real jobs in private industry -- but the evidence is simply lacking, particularly where government contracts are concerned. Ever seen the miracles private industry works with DoD contracts?</p><p>The vital difference between the public and private sectors that market ideologues always fail to take into account is that private businesses have to turn a profit. That's an <i>expense</i> that not-for-profit activities don't incur. Given the choice between scientists who care primarily about the outcome of the project and private contractors who care primarily about billing for more than the cost of the project so they can make a profit, it's far from clear that the latter will always do the best job.</p></div>
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<tokenext>but is n't this something that can be done more efficiently by private industry I know that there is , in some areas , a belief in the unicorns-and-rainbows magical power of private industry to perform more efficiently -- a view that makes one wonder how many of its adherents have actually held real jobs in private industry -- but the evidence is simply lacking , particularly where government contracts are concerned .
Ever seen the miracles private industry works with DoD contracts ? The vital difference between the public and private sectors that market ideologues always fail to take into account is that private businesses have to turn a profit .
That 's an expense that not-for-profit activities do n't incur .
Given the choice between scientists who care primarily about the outcome of the project and private contractors who care primarily about billing for more than the cost of the project so they can make a profit , it 's far from clear that the latter will always do the best job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but isn't this something that can be done more efficiently by private industry I know that there is, in some areas, a belief in the unicorns-and-rainbows magical power of private industry to perform more efficiently -- a view that makes one wonder how many of its adherents have actually held real jobs in private industry -- but the evidence is simply lacking, particularly where government contracts are concerned.
Ever seen the miracles private industry works with DoD contracts?The vital difference between the public and private sectors that market ideologues always fail to take into account is that private businesses have to turn a profit.
That's an expense that not-for-profit activities don't incur.
Given the choice between scientists who care primarily about the outcome of the project and private contractors who care primarily about billing for more than the cost of the project so they can make a profit, it's far from clear that the latter will always do the best job.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30298324</id>
	<title>Re:wrong use of "cloud?"</title>
	<author>MrTester</author>
	<datestamp>1259601540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your looking at it wrong.<br>NASA is standing up a generic service for data processing.  Various programs with data processing needs at NASA can access this, and from their perspective they get "virtual hosting with a few clicks, and automatically scale up and down as demand changes, all while being billed by resources actually used."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your looking at it wrong.NASA is standing up a generic service for data processing .
Various programs with data processing needs at NASA can access this , and from their perspective they get " virtual hosting with a few clicks , and automatically scale up and down as demand changes , all while being billed by resources actually used .
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<sentencetext>Your looking at it wrong.NASA is standing up a generic service for data processing.
Various programs with data processing needs at NASA can access this, and from their perspective they get "virtual hosting with a few clicks, and automatically scale up and down as demand changes, all while being billed by resources actually used.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30298988</id>
	<title>YOU FAIL iT...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259604480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>uncov3r a story of</htmltext>
<tokenext>uncov3r a story of</tokentext>
<sentencetext>uncov3r a story of</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30304588</id>
	<title>Why a modular data center? Yes!</title>
	<author>rlh100</author>
	<datestamp>1259582340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you know how long it takes to build a data center?  In most cases it is years and years.  And you have to build it to your eventual maximum size.  Guess to small and you have to build another one.  Guess to large and you have a lot of expensive floorspace going to waste.</p><p>With a data center in a shipping container you and build it in less than 6 months from first thinking of need and having it up and running.  Yes it will take another 3 months to plan it, get the funding, find a place to put it and install it.</p><p>You can buy your data center in 3200 sq. ft. increments.  Maybe have a plan to add one every six months.</p><p>You can also depreciate it as equipment rather than facilities.</p><p>And finally you can move it on a whim.  Tornado in Florida, send it overnight to the Midwest.  Flooding in the Midwest send it to New Mexico.  To hot in New Mexico, move it to Utah.  Cheaper power in Washington state, move it again.</p><p>It would also make sense to containerize your chillers as well so you can install/move them both.  Then all you need to move it is a flat secure location, power and Internet connectivity.</p><p>Of the containerized data centers the sgi (Rackable Systems) ICE Cube Modular Data Center is, IMHO, the best design because they deal with power efficiency in the rack with DC/DC power supplies and they talk about containerized chillers as either part of the container or as a separate container.</p><p>Take a look at:<br><a href="http://www.sgi.com/products/data\_center/ice\_cube" title="sgi.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sgi.com/products/data\_center/ice\_cube</a> [sgi.com]</p><p>RLH</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you know how long it takes to build a data center ?
In most cases it is years and years .
And you have to build it to your eventual maximum size .
Guess to small and you have to build another one .
Guess to large and you have a lot of expensive floorspace going to waste.With a data center in a shipping container you and build it in less than 6 months from first thinking of need and having it up and running .
Yes it will take another 3 months to plan it , get the funding , find a place to put it and install it.You can buy your data center in 3200 sq .
ft. increments .
Maybe have a plan to add one every six months.You can also depreciate it as equipment rather than facilities.And finally you can move it on a whim .
Tornado in Florida , send it overnight to the Midwest .
Flooding in the Midwest send it to New Mexico .
To hot in New Mexico , move it to Utah .
Cheaper power in Washington state , move it again.It would also make sense to containerize your chillers as well so you can install/move them both .
Then all you need to move it is a flat secure location , power and Internet connectivity.Of the containerized data centers the sgi ( Rackable Systems ) ICE Cube Modular Data Center is , IMHO , the best design because they deal with power efficiency in the rack with DC/DC power supplies and they talk about containerized chillers as either part of the container or as a separate container.Take a look at : http : //www.sgi.com/products/data \ _center/ice \ _cube [ sgi.com ] RLH</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you know how long it takes to build a data center?
In most cases it is years and years.
And you have to build it to your eventual maximum size.
Guess to small and you have to build another one.
Guess to large and you have a lot of expensive floorspace going to waste.With a data center in a shipping container you and build it in less than 6 months from first thinking of need and having it up and running.
Yes it will take another 3 months to plan it, get the funding, find a place to put it and install it.You can buy your data center in 3200 sq.
ft. increments.
Maybe have a plan to add one every six months.You can also depreciate it as equipment rather than facilities.And finally you can move it on a whim.
Tornado in Florida, send it overnight to the Midwest.
Flooding in the Midwest send it to New Mexico.
To hot in New Mexico, move it to Utah.
Cheaper power in Washington state, move it again.It would also make sense to containerize your chillers as well so you can install/move them both.
Then all you need to move it is a flat secure location, power and Internet connectivity.Of the containerized data centers the sgi (Rackable Systems) ICE Cube Modular Data Center is, IMHO, the best design because they deal with power efficiency in the rack with DC/DC power supplies and they talk about containerized chillers as either part of the container or as a separate container.Take a look at:http://www.sgi.com/products/data\_center/ice\_cube [sgi.com]RLH</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30299362</id>
	<title>...Cloud computing?</title>
	<author>MathiasRav</author>
	<datestamp>1259606100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Huh?

Oh well, better get back to my astronomy assignment. Err, I mean Cloud Study.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Huh ?
Oh well , better get back to my astronomy assignment .
Err , I mean Cloud Study .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Huh?
Oh well, better get back to my astronomy assignment.
Err, I mean Cloud Study.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30297694</id>
	<title>Of course they will</title>
	<author>NoYob</author>
	<datestamp>1259598540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In addition, the Nebula platform itself will help facilitate the adoption of open source software across the Government.</p></div><p>That won't be sole the reason. As departments have to cut budget's in the near future, they'll be looking more and more to F/OSS to save money. Nebula is proving the low budget F/OSS solution as viable.</p></div>
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<tokenext>In addition , the Nebula platform itself will help facilitate the adoption of open source software across the Government.That wo n't be sole the reason .
As departments have to cut budget 's in the near future , they 'll be looking more and more to F/OSS to save money .
Nebula is proving the low budget F/OSS solution as viable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In addition, the Nebula platform itself will help facilitate the adoption of open source software across the Government.That won't be sole the reason.
As departments have to cut budget's in the near future, they'll be looking more and more to F/OSS to save money.
Nebula is proving the low budget F/OSS solution as viable.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30298206</id>
	<title>HOT WHEELS!</title>
	<author>abbynormal brain</author>
	<datestamp>1259601060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We'll know they *really* made it when we see the die cast replica.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 'll know they * really * made it when we see the die cast replica .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We'll know they *really* made it when we see the die cast replica.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30308128</id>
	<title>Why is NASA doing this?</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1259871000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
NASA needs to focus.  They act like they're the National Science Foundation.  They shouldn't be doing general R&amp;D.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NASA needs to focus .
They act like they 're the National Science Foundation .
They should n't be doing general R&amp;D .</tokentext>
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NASA needs to focus.
They act like they're the National Science Foundation.
They shouldn't be doing general R&amp;D.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30297800</id>
	<title>quick?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259599140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>NASA has built its Nebula cloud computing platform inside a data center container so it can add capacity quickly, bringing extra containers online in 120 days</p></div><p>4 months is quick?</p></div>
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<tokenext>NASA has built its Nebula cloud computing platform inside a data center container so it can add capacity quickly , bringing extra containers online in 120 days4 months is quick ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NASA has built its Nebula cloud computing platform inside a data center container so it can add capacity quickly, bringing extra containers online in 120 days4 months is quick?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30297964</id>
	<title>I don't get it.</title>
	<author>filesiteguy</author>
	<datestamp>1259599860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So you put some servers in a shipping container.<br><br>What does that bring you aside from the ability to move said servers around?  If you need to access a remote data center you simply dial it up.<br><br>I can't wait until they put one of these in a double-wide and the next tornado spots it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So you put some servers in a shipping container.What does that bring you aside from the ability to move said servers around ?
If you need to access a remote data center you simply dial it up.I ca n't wait until they put one of these in a double-wide and the next tornado spots it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you put some servers in a shipping container.What does that bring you aside from the ability to move said servers around?
If you need to access a remote data center you simply dial it up.I can't wait until they put one of these in a double-wide and the next tornado spots it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30299302</id>
	<title>Re:Is NASA suffering from mission creep?</title>
	<author>qw0ntum</author>
	<datestamp>1259605740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's important to remember NASA consists of more than just Johnson and Kennedy (space centers). Each center focuses on certain areas that are important to NASA's overarching mission. Ames, actually, does a lot of computer science and software engineering research, so this makes sense to do here.
<br> <br>
Additionally, NASA deals with a lot of data, for example from their earth-monitoring and climate science missions. There is a huge need for computing infrastructure, and a resource like this that can be shared across NASA centers is a great benefit to researchers across the agency.
<br> <br>
Regarding sensitive information: the mindset at NASA (at least among the PHB's) is to be super paranoid about any possible data breaches. PR is extremely important to NASA, and if there were any major embarrassments due to data breach that could result in decreased funding, which as we all know is already incredibly tight. So, by providing services like this in-house, it's much easier for teams at other NASA centers to get access to the resources they need without jumping through hoops to get clearance. I will note that much of this feeling is a result of ITAR, so NASA's concerns are definitely well-grounded.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's important to remember NASA consists of more than just Johnson and Kennedy ( space centers ) .
Each center focuses on certain areas that are important to NASA 's overarching mission .
Ames , actually , does a lot of computer science and software engineering research , so this makes sense to do here .
Additionally , NASA deals with a lot of data , for example from their earth-monitoring and climate science missions .
There is a huge need for computing infrastructure , and a resource like this that can be shared across NASA centers is a great benefit to researchers across the agency .
Regarding sensitive information : the mindset at NASA ( at least among the PHB 's ) is to be super paranoid about any possible data breaches .
PR is extremely important to NASA , and if there were any major embarrassments due to data breach that could result in decreased funding , which as we all know is already incredibly tight .
So , by providing services like this in-house , it 's much easier for teams at other NASA centers to get access to the resources they need without jumping through hoops to get clearance .
I will note that much of this feeling is a result of ITAR , so NASA 's concerns are definitely well-grounded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's important to remember NASA consists of more than just Johnson and Kennedy (space centers).
Each center focuses on certain areas that are important to NASA's overarching mission.
Ames, actually, does a lot of computer science and software engineering research, so this makes sense to do here.
Additionally, NASA deals with a lot of data, for example from their earth-monitoring and climate science missions.
There is a huge need for computing infrastructure, and a resource like this that can be shared across NASA centers is a great benefit to researchers across the agency.
Regarding sensitive information: the mindset at NASA (at least among the PHB's) is to be super paranoid about any possible data breaches.
PR is extremely important to NASA, and if there were any major embarrassments due to data breach that could result in decreased funding, which as we all know is already incredibly tight.
So, by providing services like this in-house, it's much easier for teams at other NASA centers to get access to the resources they need without jumping through hoops to get clearance.
I will note that much of this feeling is a result of ITAR, so NASA's concerns are definitely well-grounded.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30298602</id>
	<title>Re:Is NASA suffering from mission creep?</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1259602920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>NASA (like the rest of the government) needs to be focused on its "core competencies" (no I'm not a PHB).</p></div></blockquote><p>If you aren't a PHB, then why complain using PHB/Marketdroid fuzzy buzzwords?<br>
&nbsp; </p><blockquote><div><p>Where does building data centers fit into NASA's mission statement?</p></div></blockquote><p>NASA does all manner of things that aren't launching things into space because without doing those things, the things they do launch into space might as well be chunks of firewood.  For example, operating a large communications network, or operating a considerable chunk of data processing horsepower.  But, you need to read TFA - they didn't develop a data center, they took commercially available hardware and deployed the [open source!] NEBULA cloud managment application on that hardware.<br>
&nbsp; </p><blockquote><div><p>I realize that there are tremendous amounts of data that needs to be captured, analyzed and archived (the Terra satellite sends a terabyte of data a day alone I think) but isn't this something that can be done more efficiently by private industry (Google?). Maybe it can be even outsourced providing it is not of a sensitive nature, I mean isn't the data for all mankind?</p></div></blockquote><p>Actually, given the byzantine nature of Federal procurement, it may not be more efficient to be done by an outside contractor.  Doubly so given the even more byzantine web of privacy, access, and security requirements.<br>
&nbsp; <br>Yes, the science data is for all mankind, but there is usually a 'hold back period' of a year or two where only the science team (usually from outside NASA) has access to it.  This is only fair, as they're the guys who fought for funding for the instrument, designed it, developed it, tested it, operated it - and spent years of their lives doing so.  (We're used to talking about 'NASA satellites', but in reality NASA is often just the bus driver and road crew for instruments from outside of NASA.)</p></div>
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<tokenext>NASA ( like the rest of the government ) needs to be focused on its " core competencies " ( no I 'm not a PHB ) .If you are n't a PHB , then why complain using PHB/Marketdroid fuzzy buzzwords ?
  Where does building data centers fit into NASA 's mission statement ? NASA does all manner of things that are n't launching things into space because without doing those things , the things they do launch into space might as well be chunks of firewood .
For example , operating a large communications network , or operating a considerable chunk of data processing horsepower .
But , you need to read TFA - they did n't develop a data center , they took commercially available hardware and deployed the [ open source !
] NEBULA cloud managment application on that hardware .
  I realize that there are tremendous amounts of data that needs to be captured , analyzed and archived ( the Terra satellite sends a terabyte of data a day alone I think ) but is n't this something that can be done more efficiently by private industry ( Google ? ) .
Maybe it can be even outsourced providing it is not of a sensitive nature , I mean is n't the data for all mankind ? Actually , given the byzantine nature of Federal procurement , it may not be more efficient to be done by an outside contractor .
Doubly so given the even more byzantine web of privacy , access , and security requirements .
  Yes , the science data is for all mankind , but there is usually a 'hold back period ' of a year or two where only the science team ( usually from outside NASA ) has access to it .
This is only fair , as they 're the guys who fought for funding for the instrument , designed it , developed it , tested it , operated it - and spent years of their lives doing so .
( We 're used to talking about 'NASA satellites ' , but in reality NASA is often just the bus driver and road crew for instruments from outside of NASA .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NASA (like the rest of the government) needs to be focused on its "core competencies" (no I'm not a PHB).If you aren't a PHB, then why complain using PHB/Marketdroid fuzzy buzzwords?
  Where does building data centers fit into NASA's mission statement?NASA does all manner of things that aren't launching things into space because without doing those things, the things they do launch into space might as well be chunks of firewood.
For example, operating a large communications network, or operating a considerable chunk of data processing horsepower.
But, you need to read TFA - they didn't develop a data center, they took commercially available hardware and deployed the [open source!
] NEBULA cloud managment application on that hardware.
  I realize that there are tremendous amounts of data that needs to be captured, analyzed and archived (the Terra satellite sends a terabyte of data a day alone I think) but isn't this something that can be done more efficiently by private industry (Google?).
Maybe it can be even outsourced providing it is not of a sensitive nature, I mean isn't the data for all mankind?Actually, given the byzantine nature of Federal procurement, it may not be more efficient to be done by an outside contractor.
Doubly so given the even more byzantine web of privacy, access, and security requirements.
  Yes, the science data is for all mankind, but there is usually a 'hold back period' of a year or two where only the science team (usually from outside NASA) has access to it.
This is only fair, as they're the guys who fought for funding for the instrument, designed it, developed it, tested it, operated it - and spent years of their lives doing so.
(We're used to talking about 'NASA satellites', but in reality NASA is often just the bus driver and road crew for instruments from outside of NASA.
)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30298250</id>
	<title>Re:Is NASA suffering from mission creep?</title>
	<author>zeldor</author>
	<datestamp>1259601240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is not so much a "data center" as it is going to be a generic compute resource.<br>Given the computer modeling and simulations that NASA needs to do to support its<br>"space" missions this kind of thing is very much related to its core mission statements.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not so much a " data center " as it is going to be a generic compute resource.Given the computer modeling and simulations that NASA needs to do to support its " space " missions this kind of thing is very much related to its core mission statements .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not so much a "data center" as it is going to be a generic compute resource.Given the computer modeling and simulations that NASA needs to do to support its"space" missions this kind of thing is very much related to its core mission statements.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30297664</id>
	<title>120 Days?</title>
	<author>captaindomon</author>
	<datestamp>1259598480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Doesn't that still seem like quite a long time? Four months? I guess that includes the "Planning Cycle", whatever that means.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't that still seem like quite a long time ?
Four months ?
I guess that includes the " Planning Cycle " , whatever that means .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't that still seem like quite a long time?
Four months?
I guess that includes the "Planning Cycle", whatever that means.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30297604</id>
	<title>hahahah</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259598180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yes but does it run linux?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yes but does it run linux ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yes but does it run linux?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30299118</id>
	<title>Nothing new?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259605020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Am I missing something here or is this not what Sun has been offering for a while now?</p><p>http://www.sun.com/products/sunmd/s20/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I missing something here or is this not what Sun has been offering for a while now ? http : //www.sun.com/products/sunmd/s20/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I missing something here or is this not what Sun has been offering for a while now?http://www.sun.com/products/sunmd/s20/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30300434</id>
	<title>Re:Is NASA suffering from mission creep?</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1259611020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I realize that there are tremendous amounts of data that needs to be captured, analyzed and archived (the Terra satellite sends a terabyte of data a day alone I think) but isn't this something that can be done more efficiently by private industry (Google?). Maybe it can be even outsourced providing it is not of a sensitive nature, I mean isn't the data for all mankind?</i></p><p>If you outsource it, you have all the expenses you now have, plus the civilian PHBs' outrageous pay, perks, and bonuses. I don't understand where people get the idea that government always fumbles. Maybe it's the corporations that run the news outlets?</p><p>Why would private industry be more efficient? Garrison Keilor covered this in his column today:</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I realize that there are tremendous amounts of data that needs to be captured , analyzed and archived ( the Terra satellite sends a terabyte of data a day alone I think ) but is n't this something that can be done more efficiently by private industry ( Google ? ) .
Maybe it can be even outsourced providing it is not of a sensitive nature , I mean is n't the data for all mankind ? If you outsource it , you have all the expenses you now have , plus the civilian PHBs ' outrageous pay , perks , and bonuses .
I do n't understand where people get the idea that government always fumbles .
Maybe it 's the corporations that run the news outlets ? Why would private industry be more efficient ?
Garrison Keilor covered this in his column today :</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I realize that there are tremendous amounts of data that needs to be captured, analyzed and archived (the Terra satellite sends a terabyte of data a day alone I think) but isn't this something that can be done more efficiently by private industry (Google?).
Maybe it can be even outsourced providing it is not of a sensitive nature, I mean isn't the data for all mankind?If you outsource it, you have all the expenses you now have, plus the civilian PHBs' outrageous pay, perks, and bonuses.
I don't understand where people get the idea that government always fumbles.
Maybe it's the corporations that run the news outlets?Why would private industry be more efficient?
Garrison Keilor covered this in his column today:</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30317522</id>
	<title>Re:quick?</title>
	<author>sensationull</author>
	<datestamp>1259839140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's the public sector, in government terms NASA has just invented the deployment warp reactor.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the public sector , in government terms NASA has just invented the deployment warp reactor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the public sector, in government terms NASA has just invented the deployment warp reactor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30297882</id>
	<title>NASA computing in a cloud?</title>
	<author>Subm</author>
	<datestamp>1259599680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>A nasa computer in a nebulous cloud?<p>

I think we all know where this is going -- V'ger wants to bond with its creator and instead gets a bald girl and Decker to create a new life form.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A nasa computer in a nebulous cloud ?
I think we all know where this is going -- V'ger wants to bond with its creator and instead gets a bald girl and Decker to create a new life form .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A nasa computer in a nebulous cloud?
I think we all know where this is going -- V'ger wants to bond with its creator and instead gets a bald girl and Decker to create a new life form.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30298376</id>
	<title>Re:Is NASA suffering from mission creep?</title>
	<author>vrmlguy</author>
	<datestamp>1259601780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NASA is *always* under-budget.  Out-sourcing a one-off design to private industry *always* costs more than doing something in-house.  Do the math.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NASA is * always * under-budget .
Out-sourcing a one-off design to private industry * always * costs more than doing something in-house .
Do the math .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NASA is *always* under-budget.
Out-sourcing a one-off design to private industry *always* costs more than doing something in-house.
Do the math.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30297602</id>
	<title>Is that something like what Google has?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259598180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Water Cooled Data Center In A Container?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Water Cooled Data Center In A Container ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Water Cooled Data Center In A Container?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30298074</id>
	<title>Can You Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of These?</title>
	<author>vrmlguy</author>
	<datestamp>1259600400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hello, old meme, long time no see.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hello , old meme , long time no see .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hello, old meme, long time no see.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30297878</id>
	<title>wrong use of "cloud?"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259599620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Like so many promising high-tech ideas, the word "cloud computing" is being over-used. Cloud computing means being able to get virtual hosting with a few clicks, and automatically scale up and down as demand changes, all while being billed by resources actually used.</p><p>Not every cluster of servers or supercomputer deserves to be called "cloud." Not everyone who runs VMware deserves to be called "cloud."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like so many promising high-tech ideas , the word " cloud computing " is being over-used .
Cloud computing means being able to get virtual hosting with a few clicks , and automatically scale up and down as demand changes , all while being billed by resources actually used.Not every cluster of servers or supercomputer deserves to be called " cloud .
" Not everyone who runs VMware deserves to be called " cloud .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like so many promising high-tech ideas, the word "cloud computing" is being over-used.
Cloud computing means being able to get virtual hosting with a few clicks, and automatically scale up and down as demand changes, all while being billed by resources actually used.Not every cluster of servers or supercomputer deserves to be called "cloud.
" Not everyone who runs VMware deserves to be called "cloud.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30300806</id>
	<title>Re:quick?</title>
	<author>ArsonSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1259612760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Welcome to government run programs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome to government run programs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome to government run programs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30320238</id>
	<title>Re:120 Days?</title>
	<author>RockDoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1259855400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>120 Days?</p><blockquote><div><p>Doesn't that still seem like quite a long time? Four months?</p></div> </blockquote></div> </blockquote><p>Have you ever tried wiring up the interior of anything built into a shipping container? It seems like a quite reasonable build speed to me, having been involved with the building/ rebuilding of a half-dozen containerised laboratories over the years.</p><p>Firstly, if you're using a standard shipping container to simplify movement issues, then you've got to stick to the dimensions, weights and stiffnesses specified for such containers. Otherwise you also need to specify special transport arrangements, unusual crane lifts. Bang goes your "standardisation" justification.<br>That requirement limits the number, size and area of doors you can use to access the interior. Sure, you can build it on an open frame, then put it on the back of a lorry, ship it, and spend the next 6 months ripping it apart on site to find out what got damaged in transit.<br>That in turn constrains the number of technicians that you can get working inside the unit at one time. Personal experience says that you can't realistically get more than 4 people working in one at once before elbows clash enough to slow things down. If you need more people on the job, dump the 8-hour working day for two or 3 shifts.<br>That these units contain lots of standardised 19" racks will help in one respect - you can build and test the racks in the workshop, haul them into the unit, wire them up to the test loom (don't "save time" here, please ; "short cuts make long delays") and if they pass, connect them up fully. But this would be counteracted by the high rack density, and the need for cooling pipework (gas or liquid).<br>The plumbing is going to be "fun". For suitably small values of "fun". I'd be strongly tempted to plan on building the plumbing and commissioning it before anything more than basic power and lighting goes into the shell. which begs the question of building and testing the interconnects as the first (hardest to remove) racks go in. You really don't want to pour water all over the back racks when testing the penultimate racks. Details depend on the technology chosen.</p><p>The timescale doesn't sound too unrealistic to me ; I've done similar jobs, and while they're not as bad as scraping up guinea-pig shit, they're harder work than my present job.</p></div>
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<tokenext>120 Days ? Does n't that still seem like quite a long time ?
Four months ?
Have you ever tried wiring up the interior of anything built into a shipping container ?
It seems like a quite reasonable build speed to me , having been involved with the building/ rebuilding of a half-dozen containerised laboratories over the years.Firstly , if you 're using a standard shipping container to simplify movement issues , then you 've got to stick to the dimensions , weights and stiffnesses specified for such containers .
Otherwise you also need to specify special transport arrangements , unusual crane lifts .
Bang goes your " standardisation " justification.That requirement limits the number , size and area of doors you can use to access the interior .
Sure , you can build it on an open frame , then put it on the back of a lorry , ship it , and spend the next 6 months ripping it apart on site to find out what got damaged in transit.That in turn constrains the number of technicians that you can get working inside the unit at one time .
Personal experience says that you ca n't realistically get more than 4 people working in one at once before elbows clash enough to slow things down .
If you need more people on the job , dump the 8-hour working day for two or 3 shifts.That these units contain lots of standardised 19 " racks will help in one respect - you can build and test the racks in the workshop , haul them into the unit , wire them up to the test loom ( do n't " save time " here , please ; " short cuts make long delays " ) and if they pass , connect them up fully .
But this would be counteracted by the high rack density , and the need for cooling pipework ( gas or liquid ) .The plumbing is going to be " fun " .
For suitably small values of " fun " .
I 'd be strongly tempted to plan on building the plumbing and commissioning it before anything more than basic power and lighting goes into the shell .
which begs the question of building and testing the interconnects as the first ( hardest to remove ) racks go in .
You really do n't want to pour water all over the back racks when testing the penultimate racks .
Details depend on the technology chosen.The timescale does n't sound too unrealistic to me ; I 've done similar jobs , and while they 're not as bad as scraping up guinea-pig shit , they 're harder work than my present job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>120 Days?Doesn't that still seem like quite a long time?
Four months?
Have you ever tried wiring up the interior of anything built into a shipping container?
It seems like a quite reasonable build speed to me, having been involved with the building/ rebuilding of a half-dozen containerised laboratories over the years.Firstly, if you're using a standard shipping container to simplify movement issues, then you've got to stick to the dimensions, weights and stiffnesses specified for such containers.
Otherwise you also need to specify special transport arrangements, unusual crane lifts.
Bang goes your "standardisation" justification.That requirement limits the number, size and area of doors you can use to access the interior.
Sure, you can build it on an open frame, then put it on the back of a lorry, ship it, and spend the next 6 months ripping it apart on site to find out what got damaged in transit.That in turn constrains the number of technicians that you can get working inside the unit at one time.
Personal experience says that you can't realistically get more than 4 people working in one at once before elbows clash enough to slow things down.
If you need more people on the job, dump the 8-hour working day for two or 3 shifts.That these units contain lots of standardised 19" racks will help in one respect - you can build and test the racks in the workshop, haul them into the unit, wire them up to the test loom (don't "save time" here, please ; "short cuts make long delays") and if they pass, connect them up fully.
But this would be counteracted by the high rack density, and the need for cooling pipework (gas or liquid).The plumbing is going to be "fun".
For suitably small values of "fun".
I'd be strongly tempted to plan on building the plumbing and commissioning it before anything more than basic power and lighting goes into the shell.
which begs the question of building and testing the interconnects as the first (hardest to remove) racks go in.
You really don't want to pour water all over the back racks when testing the penultimate racks.
Details depend on the technology chosen.The timescale doesn't sound too unrealistic to me ; I've done similar jobs, and while they're not as bad as scraping up guinea-pig shit, they're harder work than my present job.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30298676</id>
	<title>Re:wrong use of "cloud?"</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1259603220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>At one moment there was entanglement between "grid" and "cloud" computing. I'm not sure people who use them usually understand their underlying meanings. I try to make people more specific, I don't like these words which are too close to buzzwords, in my humble opinion...</htmltext>
<tokenext>At one moment there was entanglement between " grid " and " cloud " computing .
I 'm not sure people who use them usually understand their underlying meanings .
I try to make people more specific , I do n't like these words which are too close to buzzwords , in my humble opinion.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At one moment there was entanglement between "grid" and "cloud" computing.
I'm not sure people who use them usually understand their underlying meanings.
I try to make people more specific, I don't like these words which are too close to buzzwords, in my humble opinion...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30298120</id>
	<title>They're using Eucalyptus</title>
	<author>Xouba</author>
	<datestamp>1259600640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The best thing about this is that they are, allegedly, using Eucalyptus: <a href="http://nebula.nasa.gov/blog/2009/nov/how-eucalyptus-enables-ec2-compatibility-with-nebu/" title="nasa.gov">http://nebula.nasa.gov/blog/2009/nov/how-eucalyptus-enables-ec2-compatibility-with-nebu/</a> [nasa.gov]</htmltext>
<tokenext>The best thing about this is that they are , allegedly , using Eucalyptus : http : //nebula.nasa.gov/blog/2009/nov/how-eucalyptus-enables-ec2-compatibility-with-nebu/ [ nasa.gov ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best thing about this is that they are, allegedly, using Eucalyptus: http://nebula.nasa.gov/blog/2009/nov/how-eucalyptus-enables-ec2-compatibility-with-nebu/ [nasa.gov]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_152241.30297646</id>
	<title>About Time</title>
	<author>Mortaegus</author>
	<datestamp>1259598360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We need more investment in open-source projects like this.  Such works are building a better future for us and I, for one, thank them for it.

Though I doubt we will see any major commitment pushing for open sourced works from private operations, so the quote is a little optimistic, IMHO.</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We need more investment in open-source projects like this .
Such works are building a better future for us and I , for one , thank them for it .
Though I doubt we will see any major commitment pushing for open sourced works from private operations , so the quote is a little optimistic , IMHO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We need more investment in open-source projects like this.
Such works are building a better future for us and I, for one, thank them for it.
Though I doubt we will see any major commitment pushing for open sourced works from private operations, so the quote is a little optimistic, IMHO.
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