<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_02_065259</id>
	<title>AbleGamers Reviews Games From a Disability Standpoint</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1259744340000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>eldavojohn writes <i>"Early last month <a href="http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/11/07/1622230/Visually-Impaired-Gamer-Sues-Sony">a visually impaired gamer sued Sony</a> under the Americans with Disabilities Act (and if you think that people with disabilities don't play games, <a href="https://games.slashdot.org/story/08/11/21/0514228/Hacks-Allowing-Disabled-Gamers-To-Play-Guitar-Hero">think again</a>).  The <a href="http://www.ablegamersfoundation.org/about-agfound.html">AbleGamers Foundation</a> has decided to step forward and <a href="http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/12/01/rating-games-different-audience">provide a rating system for games</a> that blends together a number of factors to determine a score with regard to accessibility.  Visual, hearing, motion, closed captioning, speed settings, difficulty settings and even colorblindness options are all taken into account when compiling these scores and <a href="http://www.ablegamers.com/reviews/">reviewing these games</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>eldavojohn writes " Early last month a visually impaired gamer sued Sony under the Americans with Disabilities Act ( and if you think that people with disabilities do n't play games , think again ) .
The AbleGamers Foundation has decided to step forward and provide a rating system for games that blends together a number of factors to determine a score with regard to accessibility .
Visual , hearing , motion , closed captioning , speed settings , difficulty settings and even colorblindness options are all taken into account when compiling these scores and reviewing these games .
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<sentencetext>eldavojohn writes "Early last month a visually impaired gamer sued Sony under the Americans with Disabilities Act (and if you think that people with disabilities don't play games, think again).
The AbleGamers Foundation has decided to step forward and provide a rating system for games that blends together a number of factors to determine a score with regard to accessibility.
Visual, hearing, motion, closed captioning, speed settings, difficulty settings and even colorblindness options are all taken into account when compiling these scores and reviewing these games.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30300402</id>
	<title>Re:Projection and Denial</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259610780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The thing about the Americans w/Disabilities Act is that there is no formal enforcement agency, so the only way to get the law to work for you is to sue. So if a person wants to go into a store, but doesn't have access, you call a lawyer or you just suck it up. Civil rights anyone? Correct me if I'm wrong on this.</p><p>alex</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing about the Americans w/Disabilities Act is that there is no formal enforcement agency , so the only way to get the law to work for you is to sue .
So if a person wants to go into a store , but does n't have access , you call a lawyer or you just suck it up .
Civil rights anyone ?
Correct me if I 'm wrong on this.alex</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing about the Americans w/Disabilities Act is that there is no formal enforcement agency, so the only way to get the law to work for you is to sue.
So if a person wants to go into a store, but doesn't have access, you call a lawyer or you just suck it up.
Civil rights anyone?
Correct me if I'm wrong on this.alex</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295484</id>
	<title>fps idea</title>
	<author>jlebrech</author>
	<datestamp>1259581680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Reminds me of this idea for an FPS I had whereby you're a soldier that get blinded in battle and gets given new eyes but instead of standard vision it's distance-vision.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reminds me of this idea for an FPS I had whereby you 're a soldier that get blinded in battle and gets given new eyes but instead of standard vision it 's distance-vision .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reminds me of this idea for an FPS I had whereby you're a soldier that get blinded in battle and gets given new eyes but instead of standard vision it's distance-vision.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295028</id>
	<title>Good news</title>
	<author>azior</author>
	<datestamp>1259575800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know a game for people with a handicap: golfing</p><p>On a serious note: this is good news, gaming/entertainment could get really mature</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know a game for people with a handicap : golfingOn a serious note : this is good news , gaming/entertainment could get really mature</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know a game for people with a handicap: golfingOn a serious note: this is good news, gaming/entertainment could get really mature</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295582</id>
	<title>Re:Sueing?</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1259583120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would have thought that blind folk would have the common sense to save money on special effects-laden Hollywood crap (which the Daily Star reading knuckle-draggers see as "high entertainment") and buy a decent audio book.<br> <br>Still, with so little common sense in the general population anyway, I suppose you can't help some of it purveying minorities. They are human too, after all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would have thought that blind folk would have the common sense to save money on special effects-laden Hollywood crap ( which the Daily Star reading knuckle-draggers see as " high entertainment " ) and buy a decent audio book .
Still , with so little common sense in the general population anyway , I suppose you ca n't help some of it purveying minorities .
They are human too , after all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would have thought that blind folk would have the common sense to save money on special effects-laden Hollywood crap (which the Daily Star reading knuckle-draggers see as "high entertainment") and buy a decent audio book.
Still, with so little common sense in the general population anyway, I suppose you can't help some of it purveying minorities.
They are human too, after all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295732</id>
	<title>Accessibility Ratings? Good. Lawsuit? No.</title>
	<author>KermodeBear</author>
	<datestamp>1259584860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suffer from very strong red/green color blindness, which can be very problematic for me in some games. I was happy to see that L4D, and L4D2 include a 'color blindness' option that change some of the colors in the game so that they are easier for me to see.</p><p>Having a ratings system, even if it isn't an official one, is a nice idea.</p><p>The lawsuit though... Not so much. I don't see any legal basis for it. Someone with no legs shouldn't sue Ford because it is hard to drive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suffer from very strong red/green color blindness , which can be very problematic for me in some games .
I was happy to see that L4D , and L4D2 include a 'color blindness ' option that change some of the colors in the game so that they are easier for me to see.Having a ratings system , even if it is n't an official one , is a nice idea.The lawsuit though... Not so much .
I do n't see any legal basis for it .
Someone with no legs should n't sue Ford because it is hard to drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suffer from very strong red/green color blindness, which can be very problematic for me in some games.
I was happy to see that L4D, and L4D2 include a 'color blindness' option that change some of the colors in the game so that they are easier for me to see.Having a ratings system, even if it isn't an official one, is a nice idea.The lawsuit though... Not so much.
I don't see any legal basis for it.
Someone with no legs shouldn't sue Ford because it is hard to drive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30298424</id>
	<title>Re:Just started to look at their site</title>
	<author>jbezorg</author>
	<datestamp>1259602140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just ran a quick section 508 compliance test on the AbleGamers Foundation site. Most of the links on the home page fall below minimal contrast level, CSS uses fixed font sizes ( px, em, pt, etc. ) rather than a relative percentage to allow visually impaired to change font size, etc.. If you're curious about web accessibility, the following resources are a good place to start.</p><p> <a href="http://jimthatcher.com/" title="jimthatcher.com">jimthatcher.com</a> [jimthatcher.com] <br>
<a href="http://firefox.cita.uiuc.edu/" title="uiuc.edu">firefox.cita.uiuc.edu</a> [uiuc.edu] </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just ran a quick section 508 compliance test on the AbleGamers Foundation site .
Most of the links on the home page fall below minimal contrast level , CSS uses fixed font sizes ( px , em , pt , etc .
) rather than a relative percentage to allow visually impaired to change font size , etc.. If you 're curious about web accessibility , the following resources are a good place to start .
jimthatcher.com [ jimthatcher.com ] firefox.cita.uiuc.edu [ uiuc.edu ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just ran a quick section 508 compliance test on the AbleGamers Foundation site.
Most of the links on the home page fall below minimal contrast level, CSS uses fixed font sizes ( px, em, pt, etc.
) rather than a relative percentage to allow visually impaired to change font size, etc.. If you're curious about web accessibility, the following resources are a good place to start.
jimthatcher.com [jimthatcher.com] 
firefox.cita.uiuc.edu [uiuc.edu] </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30298600</id>
	<title>Re:This is absolute nonesense</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1259602920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you have no legs or can't walk, you're never going to learn karate</p></div><p>I beg to differ: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJyHfKNNaes" title="youtube.com">Mr. No Legs</a> [youtube.com] </p><p><div class="quote"><p>Sorry you simply can play games that require a steady refined hand.</p></div><p>The whining is about games that require steadiness for no necessary reason.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have no legs or ca n't walk , you 're never going to learn karateI beg to differ : Mr. No Legs [ youtube.com ] Sorry you simply can play games that require a steady refined hand.The whining is about games that require steadiness for no necessary reason .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have no legs or can't walk, you're never going to learn karateI beg to differ: Mr. No Legs [youtube.com] Sorry you simply can play games that require a steady refined hand.The whining is about games that require steadiness for no necessary reason.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30300532</id>
	<title>Re:Sueing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259611440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Can't"??? I have a blind family member and can say that blind people can and do frequently "watch" TV and Movies and often prefer these to radio. Shows like CSI, Mentalist etc have 90\% of the story contained in the dialog anyway. It's interesting how much you can get the gist of, even as a sighted person, if you close your eyes and listen to the TV.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Ca n't " ? ? ?
I have a blind family member and can say that blind people can and do frequently " watch " TV and Movies and often prefer these to radio .
Shows like CSI , Mentalist etc have 90 \ % of the story contained in the dialog anyway .
It 's interesting how much you can get the gist of , even as a sighted person , if you close your eyes and listen to the TV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Can't"???
I have a blind family member and can say that blind people can and do frequently "watch" TV and Movies and often prefer these to radio.
Shows like CSI, Mentalist etc have 90\% of the story contained in the dialog anyway.
It's interesting how much you can get the gist of, even as a sighted person, if you close your eyes and listen to the TV.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30306640</id>
	<title>Re:This is absolute nonesense</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259593980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not everyone of us that have problems with motor skills isn't able to play video games.  I can and I'm sure there are others like me out there.

Some of us are quite capable of adapting to play most video games that require split-second hand-eye coordination.  Yes, it can be frustrating at times, but if I can eventually do it, it's well worth it because of how frustrating it is.

Granted, I'm probably an exception and not the rule.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not everyone of us that have problems with motor skills is n't able to play video games .
I can and I 'm sure there are others like me out there .
Some of us are quite capable of adapting to play most video games that require split-second hand-eye coordination .
Yes , it can be frustrating at times , but if I can eventually do it , it 's well worth it because of how frustrating it is .
Granted , I 'm probably an exception and not the rule .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not everyone of us that have problems with motor skills isn't able to play video games.
I can and I'm sure there are others like me out there.
Some of us are quite capable of adapting to play most video games that require split-second hand-eye coordination.
Yes, it can be frustrating at times, but if I can eventually do it, it's well worth it because of how frustrating it is.
Granted, I'm probably an exception and not the rule.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295410</id>
	<title>Re:Just started to look at their site</title>
	<author>Eraesr</author>
	<datestamp>1259580540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And the XBox image link ends up on a 404 page, which doesn't actually tell you that a 404 HTTP error has occurred, except for the "404" title of the page.<br>It's a very unfriendly site for people with disabilities, which strikes me as odd, given the intention of the site.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And the XBox image link ends up on a 404 page , which does n't actually tell you that a 404 HTTP error has occurred , except for the " 404 " title of the page.It 's a very unfriendly site for people with disabilities , which strikes me as odd , given the intention of the site .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And the XBox image link ends up on a 404 page, which doesn't actually tell you that a 404 HTTP error has occurred, except for the "404" title of the page.It's a very unfriendly site for people with disabilities, which strikes me as odd, given the intention of the site.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295082</id>
	<title>Just started to look at their site</title>
	<author>Gadget\_Guy</author>
	<datestamp>1259576640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have just started to look at their site and the first thing that I notice as the page was loading was that the pictures that you click on near the top to go to choose the platform all have the same alt text of "xbox reviews". That will be confusing for someone using a screen reader.</p><p>I thought the whole layout seemed a bit complicated and confusing, with javascript menus and a very busy interface. Gray text on a gray background seems an odd choice for the color blind people out there.</p><p>Still, at least they are raising public awareness. Even if you don't think that game makers should HAVE to provide support for all disabilities, this kind of site fills in the role that most game reviewers would not consider.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have just started to look at their site and the first thing that I notice as the page was loading was that the pictures that you click on near the top to go to choose the platform all have the same alt text of " xbox reviews " .
That will be confusing for someone using a screen reader.I thought the whole layout seemed a bit complicated and confusing , with javascript menus and a very busy interface .
Gray text on a gray background seems an odd choice for the color blind people out there.Still , at least they are raising public awareness .
Even if you do n't think that game makers should HAVE to provide support for all disabilities , this kind of site fills in the role that most game reviewers would not consider .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have just started to look at their site and the first thing that I notice as the page was loading was that the pictures that you click on near the top to go to choose the platform all have the same alt text of "xbox reviews".
That will be confusing for someone using a screen reader.I thought the whole layout seemed a bit complicated and confusing, with javascript menus and a very busy interface.
Gray text on a gray background seems an odd choice for the color blind people out there.Still, at least they are raising public awareness.
Even if you don't think that game makers should HAVE to provide support for all disabilities, this kind of site fills in the role that most game reviewers would not consider.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295740</id>
	<title>Re:Sueing?</title>
	<author>Eightbitgnosis</author>
	<datestamp>1259584920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What do you mean these bicycles aren't wheelchair accessible?!</htmltext>
<tokenext>What do you mean these bicycles are n't wheelchair accessible ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What do you mean these bicycles aren't wheelchair accessible?
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30296420</id>
	<title>more difficult to produce a game?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259591580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think a rating system is an interesting proposal from those affected by disabilities...</p><p>but I'm curious how this will affect game developers.</p><p>I realize that the market for disabled gamers is certainly a very small percentage so what will be the incentive to spend the time and resources to add the extra features required to get a decent rating?</p><p>Further, will a poor rating deter non-disabled people from buying and supporting the game?</p><p>I don't see a rating system being of much use to anyone.</p><p>What might be more effective is encouraging the licensing bodies of the console manufacturers to include disability-compensating features in the feature list on the packaging somewhere like they do with the "2 player" "online play" etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think a rating system is an interesting proposal from those affected by disabilities...but I 'm curious how this will affect game developers.I realize that the market for disabled gamers is certainly a very small percentage so what will be the incentive to spend the time and resources to add the extra features required to get a decent rating ? Further , will a poor rating deter non-disabled people from buying and supporting the game ? I do n't see a rating system being of much use to anyone.What might be more effective is encouraging the licensing bodies of the console manufacturers to include disability-compensating features in the feature list on the packaging somewhere like they do with the " 2 player " " online play " etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think a rating system is an interesting proposal from those affected by disabilities...but I'm curious how this will affect game developers.I realize that the market for disabled gamers is certainly a very small percentage so what will be the incentive to spend the time and resources to add the extra features required to get a decent rating?Further, will a poor rating deter non-disabled people from buying and supporting the game?I don't see a rating system being of much use to anyone.What might be more effective is encouraging the licensing bodies of the console manufacturers to include disability-compensating features in the feature list on the packaging somewhere like they do with the "2 player" "online play" etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295536</id>
	<title>me good idea have!!1!</title>
	<author>Rogerborg</author>
	<datestamp>1259582340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>me play modern marfare 2 not so good because me have thinky trouble.  me lawyer friend make activision give me special button i press make me win easy.  now me win every time make me happy.  everyone should have lawyer friend make everyone give you what you want then everyone be happy like me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>me play modern marfare 2 not so good because me have thinky trouble .
me lawyer friend make activision give me special button i press make me win easy .
now me win every time make me happy .
everyone should have lawyer friend make everyone give you what you want then everyone be happy like me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>me play modern marfare 2 not so good because me have thinky trouble.
me lawyer friend make activision give me special button i press make me win easy.
now me win every time make me happy.
everyone should have lawyer friend make everyone give you what you want then everyone be happy like me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30307890</id>
	<title>Re:This is absolute nonesense</title>
	<author>Clovert Agent</author>
	<datestamp>1259607900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So what you're saying is that not only are all disabled people equally unable to perform certain tasks, the rest of society should not make any effort to make it possible for them to narrow the gap, nor should we make any effort to indicate to them which products may suit their constraints?</p><p>Have I got that about right?</p><p>You know what, despite you being a complete ass, I'll concede that you are entirely correct just as soon as you win a foot race against <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar\_Pistorius" title="wikipedia.org">Oscar Pistorius</a> [wikipedia.org].</p><p>Let me know how that goes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So what you 're saying is that not only are all disabled people equally unable to perform certain tasks , the rest of society should not make any effort to make it possible for them to narrow the gap , nor should we make any effort to indicate to them which products may suit their constraints ? Have I got that about right ? You know what , despite you being a complete ass , I 'll concede that you are entirely correct just as soon as you win a foot race against Oscar Pistorius [ wikipedia.org ] .Let me know how that goes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what you're saying is that not only are all disabled people equally unable to perform certain tasks, the rest of society should not make any effort to make it possible for them to narrow the gap, nor should we make any effort to indicate to them which products may suit their constraints?Have I got that about right?You know what, despite you being a complete ass, I'll concede that you are entirely correct just as soon as you win a foot race against Oscar Pistorius [wikipedia.org].Let me know how that goes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295078</id>
	<title>Sueing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259576520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't sueing Sony because you can't play a game because you're visually impaired the same as, say, sueing Warner Brothers because you can't watch the Harry Potter movies? You can't expect people, and especially corporations, to cater to every type of handicap in a single product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't sueing Sony because you ca n't play a game because you 're visually impaired the same as , say , sueing Warner Brothers because you ca n't watch the Harry Potter movies ?
You ca n't expect people , and especially corporations , to cater to every type of handicap in a single product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't sueing Sony because you can't play a game because you're visually impaired the same as, say, sueing Warner Brothers because you can't watch the Harry Potter movies?
You can't expect people, and especially corporations, to cater to every type of handicap in a single product.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295054</id>
	<title>The equivalent...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259576160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...of forcing Hollywood to make all movies accessible to the blind.</p><p>I feel sorry for those with disabilities, but be realistic. Game producers don't need the extra delays and budgetary nonsense programming in these concessions to the disabled would bring.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...of forcing Hollywood to make all movies accessible to the blind.I feel sorry for those with disabilities , but be realistic .
Game producers do n't need the extra delays and budgetary nonsense programming in these concessions to the disabled would bring .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...of forcing Hollywood to make all movies accessible to the blind.I feel sorry for those with disabilities, but be realistic.
Game producers don't need the extra delays and budgetary nonsense programming in these concessions to the disabled would bring.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295118</id>
	<title>Website</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259576940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>They don't seem to have a very accessible website. Quick glance of their code didn't show any css for the blind. And the big sliding image thing in the middle doesn't look very accessible either.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They do n't seem to have a very accessible website .
Quick glance of their code did n't show any css for the blind .
And the big sliding image thing in the middle does n't look very accessible either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They don't seem to have a very accessible website.
Quick glance of their code didn't show any css for the blind.
And the big sliding image thing in the middle doesn't look very accessible either.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295778</id>
	<title>Re:Sueing?</title>
	<author>deep2k</author>
	<datestamp>1259585340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm colourblind (deuteranope) and I can't play Gears of War because I can't see the ammo on the ground.

An in-game option would have ensured my purchase...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm colourblind ( deuteranope ) and I ca n't play Gears of War because I ca n't see the ammo on the ground .
An in-game option would have ensured my purchase.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm colourblind (deuteranope) and I can't play Gears of War because I can't see the ammo on the ground.
An in-game option would have ensured my purchase...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30297502</id>
	<title>Auunngghh Murph!</title>
	<author>mafian911</author>
	<datestamp>1259597700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That would explain that easily-fraggable player I met last night in Halo. xX\_Hellen\_Killer\_Xx just kept spinning around looking skyward while filling the mic channel with mad mumbling noises.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That would explain that easily-fraggable player I met last night in Halo .
xX \ _Hellen \ _Killer \ _Xx just kept spinning around looking skyward while filling the mic channel with mad mumbling noises .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That would explain that easily-fraggable player I met last night in Halo.
xX\_Hellen\_Killer\_Xx just kept spinning around looking skyward while filling the mic channel with mad mumbling noises.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295848</id>
	<title>Re: and if you think that people with disabilit...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259586000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>and if you think that people with disabilities don't play games...</p></div><p>...you're a dick. I'm not sure what you are if you <i>think</i> people think that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : and if you think that people with disabilities do n't play games......you 're a dick .
I 'm not sure what you are if you think people think that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:and if you think that people with disabilities don't play games......you're a dick.
I'm not sure what you are if you think people think that.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30296742</id>
	<title>Re:Website</title>
	<author>Ablegamers</author>
	<datestamp>1259593560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>For the record, the site has a screenreader side. You can see the code for the screen read users at the top at the start of the body.

<a href="http://ablegamers.com/?template=beez" title="ablegamers.com" rel="nofollow">http://ablegamers.com/?template=beez</a> [ablegamers.com]

it is not perfect but it is far better than the main site and we have loads of blind readers that say it is okay.

We also have all the content converted into audio format for consumption on a iPod or other device.
<a href="http://ablegamers.com/audio-ablegamers/AbleGamers-in-Your-Ear.html" title="ablegamers.com" rel="nofollow">http://ablegamers.com/audio-ablegamers/AbleGamers-in-Your-Ear.html</a> [ablegamers.com]

We also understand that our target demographic is not the totally blind gamer...</htmltext>
<tokenext>For the record , the site has a screenreader side .
You can see the code for the screen read users at the top at the start of the body .
http : //ablegamers.com/ ? template = beez [ ablegamers.com ] it is not perfect but it is far better than the main site and we have loads of blind readers that say it is okay .
We also have all the content converted into audio format for consumption on a iPod or other device .
http : //ablegamers.com/audio-ablegamers/AbleGamers-in-Your-Ear.html [ ablegamers.com ] We also understand that our target demographic is not the totally blind gamer.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the record, the site has a screenreader side.
You can see the code for the screen read users at the top at the start of the body.
http://ablegamers.com/?template=beez [ablegamers.com]

it is not perfect but it is far better than the main site and we have loads of blind readers that say it is okay.
We also have all the content converted into audio format for consumption on a iPod or other device.
http://ablegamers.com/audio-ablegamers/AbleGamers-in-Your-Ear.html [ablegamers.com]

We also understand that our target demographic is not the totally blind gamer...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295520</id>
	<title>Projection and Denial</title>
	<author>simoncpu was here</author>
	<datestamp>1259582100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Instead of suing and getting angry at the world, this guy should just have the serenity to accept the things that he can't change and move on with his life.  This is the way the world works, and we can't do anything about it...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead of suing and getting angry at the world , this guy should just have the serenity to accept the things that he ca n't change and move on with his life .
This is the way the world works , and we ca n't do anything about it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead of suing and getting angry at the world, this guy should just have the serenity to accept the things that he can't change and move on with his life.
This is the way the world works, and we can't do anything about it...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30296102</id>
	<title>Re:This is absolute nonesense</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259588880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>educate yourself before you post. blind people can drive. look up bi-optic driving program. gaming can be done by people with disabilities, all they need is their breath or one finger.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>educate yourself before you post .
blind people can drive .
look up bi-optic driving program .
gaming can be done by people with disabilities , all they need is their breath or one finger .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>educate yourself before you post.
blind people can drive.
look up bi-optic driving program.
gaming can be done by people with disabilities, all they need is their breath or one finger.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295638</id>
	<title>There is a lot of money involved</title>
	<author>Shivetya</author>
	<datestamp>1259583720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and there were there are millions and millions to be made, common sense does not apply.  Only convoluted readings of the law which end the desired result of the plaintiff.</p><p>In other words, games became an issue after all those stories in the news about how much money they made in X days of release.   The ADA was practically crafted as a gift to lawyers, the handicap might have actually ranked second, no probably third after special interest groups (defined as people who take offense for others provided their is profit involved)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and there were there are millions and millions to be made , common sense does not apply .
Only convoluted readings of the law which end the desired result of the plaintiff.In other words , games became an issue after all those stories in the news about how much money they made in X days of release .
The ADA was practically crafted as a gift to lawyers , the handicap might have actually ranked second , no probably third after special interest groups ( defined as people who take offense for others provided their is profit involved )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and there were there are millions and millions to be made, common sense does not apply.
Only convoluted readings of the law which end the desired result of the plaintiff.In other words, games became an issue after all those stories in the news about how much money they made in X days of release.
The ADA was practically crafted as a gift to lawyers, the handicap might have actually ranked second, no probably third after special interest groups (defined as people who take offense for others provided their is profit involved)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30298392</id>
	<title>Re:Sueing?</title>
	<author>loonwings</author>
	<datestamp>1259601900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>*cinemas</htmltext>
<tokenext>* cinemas</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*cinemas</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30306438</id>
	<title>Re:Sueing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259592360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You suck. Learn to spell and stop being such a nazi.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You suck .
Learn to spell and stop being such a nazi .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You suck.
Learn to spell and stop being such a nazi.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295418</id>
	<title>Handy-capable People Don't Kill People</title>
	<author>grahamlord86</author>
	<datestamp>1259580600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>At least these Handy-capable folks won't need Jack Thomson to protect them from violent video games... The visually impaired might have trouble effectively wielding a knife while trying to kill a school bully in a GTA impersonation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>At least these Handy-capable folks wo n't need Jack Thomson to protect them from violent video games... The visually impaired might have trouble effectively wielding a knife while trying to kill a school bully in a GTA impersonation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least these Handy-capable folks won't need Jack Thomson to protect them from violent video games... The visually impaired might have trouble effectively wielding a knife while trying to kill a school bully in a GTA impersonation.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30297698</id>
	<title>Re:This is absolute nonesense</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259598540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can you name one single instance in which anything has been mucked up, to accommodate the handicapped? Sure, some people had to put wheelchair ramps on their businesses, and the best parking spaces are handicapped, but, really, has anything in your life ever been inconvenienced in the slightest way, for the sake of accommodation?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can you name one single instance in which anything has been mucked up , to accommodate the handicapped ?
Sure , some people had to put wheelchair ramps on their businesses , and the best parking spaces are handicapped , but , really , has anything in your life ever been inconvenienced in the slightest way , for the sake of accommodation ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can you name one single instance in which anything has been mucked up, to accommodate the handicapped?
Sure, some people had to put wheelchair ramps on their businesses, and the best parking spaces are handicapped, but, really, has anything in your life ever been inconvenienced in the slightest way, for the sake of accommodation?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30296484</id>
	<title>Re:This is absolute nonesense</title>
	<author>ph0rk</author>
	<datestamp>1259591940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't ever tell me what I can't do!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't ever tell me what I ca n't do !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't ever tell me what I can't do!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30296100</id>
	<title>Re:Projection and Denial</title>
	<author>agnosticnixie</author>
	<datestamp>1259588880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you don't use glasses, computers or agriculture, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you do n't use glasses , computers or agriculture , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you don't use glasses, computers or agriculture, right?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30297388</id>
	<title>Re:Accessibility Ratings? Good. Lawsuit? No.</title>
	<author>mattbee</author>
	<datestamp>1259597100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, any game where the ability to tell red from green is crucial has always landed it in the bin for me.  The worst example was the 11th Hour, where the very first puzzle involved sorting red and green books on a shelf.  I spent about 45 minutes with the bloody things dancing in front of me, thinking I'd succeeded when if I looked away, and back again, the colours swapped back.  A total failure, though maybe I saved myself from a bad game anyway.  I think Popcap were the first I remember adding a "colourblind mode" where they change the *shapes* of objects that you need to tell apart, as well as moving away from the hazy red/green/yellow distinction.</p><p>Never had a problem with L4D though - if it shambles, shoot it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , any game where the ability to tell red from green is crucial has always landed it in the bin for me .
The worst example was the 11th Hour , where the very first puzzle involved sorting red and green books on a shelf .
I spent about 45 minutes with the bloody things dancing in front of me , thinking I 'd succeeded when if I looked away , and back again , the colours swapped back .
A total failure , though maybe I saved myself from a bad game anyway .
I think Popcap were the first I remember adding a " colourblind mode " where they change the * shapes * of objects that you need to tell apart , as well as moving away from the hazy red/green/yellow distinction.Never had a problem with L4D though - if it shambles , shoot it : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, any game where the ability to tell red from green is crucial has always landed it in the bin for me.
The worst example was the 11th Hour, where the very first puzzle involved sorting red and green books on a shelf.
I spent about 45 minutes with the bloody things dancing in front of me, thinking I'd succeeded when if I looked away, and back again, the colours swapped back.
A total failure, though maybe I saved myself from a bad game anyway.
I think Popcap were the first I remember adding a "colourblind mode" where they change the *shapes* of objects that you need to tell apart, as well as moving away from the hazy red/green/yellow distinction.Never had a problem with L4D though - if it shambles, shoot it :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30300350</id>
	<title>I'm tone deaf</title>
	<author>JobyOne</author>
	<datestamp>1259610540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I myself am seriously incapable of distinguishing between tones.</p><p>When I was a kid playing Myst I had to talk my mom into doing the tone matching puzzle for me, because I absolutely could not do it.</p><p>Did I sue them? No. I accepted the fact that there are some things I'm just not wired for, and I sucked it up and moved on with my life.</p><p>I'm all in favor of making things accessible, but there's a big difference between a traffic light and a video game. One being designed with poor accessibility will limit a few peoples' choices of entertainment, one will kill people.</p><p>For the record I'm all in favor of a rating system for various disabilities, but I don't think it should be mandatory, and I do think it should be an independent organization. Let's not make more hoops for developers to jump through, seeing that the ESRB hoop is already small and on fire.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I myself am seriously incapable of distinguishing between tones.When I was a kid playing Myst I had to talk my mom into doing the tone matching puzzle for me , because I absolutely could not do it.Did I sue them ?
No. I accepted the fact that there are some things I 'm just not wired for , and I sucked it up and moved on with my life.I 'm all in favor of making things accessible , but there 's a big difference between a traffic light and a video game .
One being designed with poor accessibility will limit a few peoples ' choices of entertainment , one will kill people.For the record I 'm all in favor of a rating system for various disabilities , but I do n't think it should be mandatory , and I do think it should be an independent organization .
Let 's not make more hoops for developers to jump through , seeing that the ESRB hoop is already small and on fire .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I myself am seriously incapable of distinguishing between tones.When I was a kid playing Myst I had to talk my mom into doing the tone matching puzzle for me, because I absolutely could not do it.Did I sue them?
No. I accepted the fact that there are some things I'm just not wired for, and I sucked it up and moved on with my life.I'm all in favor of making things accessible, but there's a big difference between a traffic light and a video game.
One being designed with poor accessibility will limit a few peoples' choices of entertainment, one will kill people.For the record I'm all in favor of a rating system for various disabilities, but I don't think it should be mandatory, and I do think it should be an independent organization.
Let's not make more hoops for developers to jump through, seeing that the ESRB hoop is already small and on fire.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295334</id>
	<title>Re:Not good enough</title>
	<author>doti</author>
	<datestamp>1259579880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is a game with just one button good enough?</p><p>like <a href="http://code.google.com/p/cave9/wiki/AboutCave9" title="google.com">this one</a> [google.com] (sfcave in 3d. defaults to two-button mode, but the one-button mode works mostly the same)</p><p>also, <a href="http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20050602/green\_01.shtml" title="gamasutra.com">this article</a> [gamasutra.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is a game with just one button good enough ? like this one [ google.com ] ( sfcave in 3d .
defaults to two-button mode , but the one-button mode works mostly the same ) also , this article [ gamasutra.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is a game with just one button good enough?like this one [google.com] (sfcave in 3d.
defaults to two-button mode, but the one-button mode works mostly the same)also, this article [gamasutra.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295370</id>
	<title>Re:Sueing?</title>
	<author>dingen</author>
	<datestamp>1259580300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's why DVD's come with an extra audio track which contains "audio description". It's basically a voice telling you what is happening on the screen, making the movie accessible to both the blind and people who can't watch the screen for some other reason (walk to the kitchen, driving in a car, etc).</p><p>In the UK, it's very common to have this audio description track available on TV as well. The law mandates that at least 10\% of all prime time television has audio description included, but in practice a lot more than 10\% of the shows include this.</p><p>Some cinema's also offer audio description through an ear piece, which blind people can pick up at the ticket booth. That way the blind and non-blind can enjoy a movie together in the same theater.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's why DVD 's come with an extra audio track which contains " audio description " .
It 's basically a voice telling you what is happening on the screen , making the movie accessible to both the blind and people who ca n't watch the screen for some other reason ( walk to the kitchen , driving in a car , etc ) .In the UK , it 's very common to have this audio description track available on TV as well .
The law mandates that at least 10 \ % of all prime time television has audio description included , but in practice a lot more than 10 \ % of the shows include this.Some cinema 's also offer audio description through an ear piece , which blind people can pick up at the ticket booth .
That way the blind and non-blind can enjoy a movie together in the same theater .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's why DVD's come with an extra audio track which contains "audio description".
It's basically a voice telling you what is happening on the screen, making the movie accessible to both the blind and people who can't watch the screen for some other reason (walk to the kitchen, driving in a car, etc).In the UK, it's very common to have this audio description track available on TV as well.
The law mandates that at least 10\% of all prime time television has audio description included, but in practice a lot more than 10\% of the shows include this.Some cinema's also offer audio description through an ear piece, which blind people can pick up at the ticket booth.
That way the blind and non-blind can enjoy a movie together in the same theater.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295186</id>
	<title>How insensitive!</title>
	<author>billsayswow</author>
	<datestamp>1259578200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Reviewing games from a disability "stand"point? That offends me, as I am wheelchair bound. At least they didn't offend my blindness by using the phrase "from a disability point of view".

But seriously, I think the website is a pretty neat idea as yes, many disabled people do game. And even if you aren't disabled, it makes for a helpful guide if you have to buy a gift for someone that is. I think the really nifty aspect is how they assess it for colour-blindness. One of my best friends is strongly red-green colour-blind, and is a gamer, and often does have a bit of trouble (Such as with RTSes and team colours or with FPSes and red team players at a distance.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Reviewing games from a disability " stand " point ?
That offends me , as I am wheelchair bound .
At least they did n't offend my blindness by using the phrase " from a disability point of view " .
But seriously , I think the website is a pretty neat idea as yes , many disabled people do game .
And even if you are n't disabled , it makes for a helpful guide if you have to buy a gift for someone that is .
I think the really nifty aspect is how they assess it for colour-blindness .
One of my best friends is strongly red-green colour-blind , and is a gamer , and often does have a bit of trouble ( Such as with RTSes and team colours or with FPSes and red team players at a distance .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reviewing games from a disability "stand"point?
That offends me, as I am wheelchair bound.
At least they didn't offend my blindness by using the phrase "from a disability point of view".
But seriously, I think the website is a pretty neat idea as yes, many disabled people do game.
And even if you aren't disabled, it makes for a helpful guide if you have to buy a gift for someone that is.
I think the really nifty aspect is how they assess it for colour-blindness.
One of my best friends is strongly red-green colour-blind, and is a gamer, and often does have a bit of trouble (Such as with RTSes and team colours or with FPSes and red team players at a distance.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295218</id>
	<title>Re:Sueing?</title>
	<author>agnosticnixie</author>
	<datestamp>1259578680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can make movies accessible to the blind actually.  It's called descriptive audio.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can make movies accessible to the blind actually .
It 's called descriptive audio .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can make movies accessible to the blind actually.
It's called descriptive audio.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295830</id>
	<title>Re:Sueing?</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1259585880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Isn't sueing Sony because you can't play a game</p></div>
</blockquote><p>Why are you dragging Sue's name through the mud?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't sueing Sony because you ca n't play a game Why are you dragging Sue 's name through the mud ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't sueing Sony because you can't play a game
Why are you dragging Sue's name through the mud?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30294982</id>
	<title>Not good enough</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259575260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The rating should also take into account how many of the NPCs are black Jewish vegetarian lesbian quadriplegic single mothers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The rating should also take into account how many of the NPCs are black Jewish vegetarian lesbian quadriplegic single mothers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The rating should also take into account how many of the NPCs are black Jewish vegetarian lesbian quadriplegic single mothers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295142</id>
	<title>This is not the article you're looking for.</title>
	<author>Psaakyrn</author>
	<datestamp>1259577540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Offtopic. Your issue is relevant for that other topic about the sight-disabled suing Sony (which we already had a lengthy discussion about, and linked in the topic itself), but this is about giving ratings to games based on specific disabilities, which is a much better alternative.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Offtopic .
Your issue is relevant for that other topic about the sight-disabled suing Sony ( which we already had a lengthy discussion about , and linked in the topic itself ) , but this is about giving ratings to games based on specific disabilities , which is a much better alternative .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Offtopic.
Your issue is relevant for that other topic about the sight-disabled suing Sony (which we already had a lengthy discussion about, and linked in the topic itself), but this is about giving ratings to games based on specific disabilities, which is a much better alternative.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30296588</id>
	<title>Re:The equivalent...</title>
	<author>poetmatt</author>
	<datestamp>1259592600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>uh, no. Left4dead2 has a caption option even.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>uh , no .
Left4dead2 has a caption option even .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>uh, no.
Left4dead2 has a caption option even.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295956</id>
	<title>This is absolute nonesense</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259587440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you're blind...guess what? You're never doing to drive a car. End of story.
<br> <br>
If you have no legs or can't walk, you're never going to learn karate and becoming a kickboxing champion. End of story
<br>
There are certain things, of course yes we can make more accessible to the disabled, but I'm sorry, gaming is NOT one of them. A recreation that refines split second reflex and hand eye coordination SHOULD NOT BE MUCKED UP so someone with fucking parkinsons can play it 'easier'.
<br>
If you have Parkinson? Sorry you simply can play games that require a steady refined hand. END OF STORY.
<br>
I know im going to get modded as troll / flamebait but i am SICK TO DEATH of people who are PHYSICALLY LIMITED EXPECTING TO BE ABLE TO DO THINGS AS IF THEY ARE NOT:

REALITY CHECK, YOU CAN'T AND YOU NEVER WILL, DEAL WITH IT</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're blind...guess what ?
You 're never doing to drive a car .
End of story .
If you have no legs or ca n't walk , you 're never going to learn karate and becoming a kickboxing champion .
End of story There are certain things , of course yes we can make more accessible to the disabled , but I 'm sorry , gaming is NOT one of them .
A recreation that refines split second reflex and hand eye coordination SHOULD NOT BE MUCKED UP so someone with fucking parkinsons can play it 'easier' .
If you have Parkinson ?
Sorry you simply can play games that require a steady refined hand .
END OF STORY .
I know im going to get modded as troll / flamebait but i am SICK TO DEATH of people who are PHYSICALLY LIMITED EXPECTING TO BE ABLE TO DO THINGS AS IF THEY ARE NOT : REALITY CHECK , YOU CA N'T AND YOU NEVER WILL , DEAL WITH IT</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're blind...guess what?
You're never doing to drive a car.
End of story.
If you have no legs or can't walk, you're never going to learn karate and becoming a kickboxing champion.
End of story

There are certain things, of course yes we can make more accessible to the disabled, but I'm sorry, gaming is NOT one of them.
A recreation that refines split second reflex and hand eye coordination SHOULD NOT BE MUCKED UP so someone with fucking parkinsons can play it 'easier'.
If you have Parkinson?
Sorry you simply can play games that require a steady refined hand.
END OF STORY.
I know im going to get modded as troll / flamebait but i am SICK TO DEATH of people who are PHYSICALLY LIMITED EXPECTING TO BE ABLE TO DO THINGS AS IF THEY ARE NOT:

REALITY CHECK, YOU CAN'T AND YOU NEVER WILL, DEAL WITH IT</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30300624</id>
	<title>Re:Just started to look at their site</title>
	<author>PerfectionLost</author>
	<datestamp>1259611920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Grey text on a grey background is fine for the color blind.  It is terrible for the elderly and other people who contrast or cataract issues.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Grey text on a grey background is fine for the color blind .
It is terrible for the elderly and other people who contrast or cataract issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Grey text on a grey background is fine for the color blind.
It is terrible for the elderly and other people who contrast or cataract issues.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30296118</id>
	<title>Re:This is absolute nonesense</title>
	<author>agnosticnixie</author>
	<datestamp>1259589000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Adding features and options doesn't take off your enjoyment, you just keep them off that's all, and you can go back to gazing your navel all you want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Adding features and options does n't take off your enjoyment , you just keep them off that 's all , and you can go back to gazing your navel all you want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Adding features and options doesn't take off your enjoyment, you just keep them off that's all, and you can go back to gazing your navel all you want.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295744</id>
	<title>Re:Website</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259584980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, CSS or a similar technology SHOULD be applied to all interfaces - DVD menus, Games, on-line media. I saw this as a big issue when trying to navigate a music DVD I had - only to find the interface worse than a simple list of contents.</p><p>The fact is that technology should empower disabled people, allowing them to accomodate for their disability. Windows OS implements accessability options and so should gaming consoles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , CSS or a similar technology SHOULD be applied to all interfaces - DVD menus , Games , on-line media .
I saw this as a big issue when trying to navigate a music DVD I had - only to find the interface worse than a simple list of contents.The fact is that technology should empower disabled people , allowing them to accomodate for their disability .
Windows OS implements accessability options and so should gaming consoles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, CSS or a similar technology SHOULD be applied to all interfaces - DVD menus, Games, on-line media.
I saw this as a big issue when trying to navigate a music DVD I had - only to find the interface worse than a simple list of contents.The fact is that technology should empower disabled people, allowing them to accomodate for their disability.
Windows OS implements accessability options and so should gaming consoles.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295622</id>
	<title>I'm starting up a new website too!</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1259583540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's to rate websites which review content for disabled people on criteria relating to how easily accessible their website is to the disabled. I apply the details and recommendations supplied by <a href="http://www.w3.org/WAI/eval/Overview.html/" title="w3.org">W3's Web Accessibility Initiative Evaluation Overview</a> [w3.org] <br> <br>So far, the games they review score significantly higher than the AbleGamers website.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's to rate websites which review content for disabled people on criteria relating to how easily accessible their website is to the disabled .
I apply the details and recommendations supplied by W3 's Web Accessibility Initiative Evaluation Overview [ w3.org ] So far , the games they review score significantly higher than the AbleGamers website .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's to rate websites which review content for disabled people on criteria relating to how easily accessible their website is to the disabled.
I apply the details and recommendations supplied by W3's Web Accessibility Initiative Evaluation Overview [w3.org]  So far, the games they review score significantly higher than the AbleGamers website.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30296596</id>
	<title>Learn from the example of the UK</title>
	<author>Squiff</author>
	<datestamp>1259592600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the UK we have the Disability Discrimination Act (&lsquo;DDA&rsquo;) ( <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability\_Discrimination\_Act\_1995" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability\_Discrimination\_Act\_1995</a> [wikipedia.org] ) This requires that service providers do not provide a disabled person with a lesser degree of service than a person who is not disabled and that they make reasonable adjustments to facilitate this. Any public website based in the UK would be bound by this legislation. Cases are heard in a criminal court with a jury. Statute law does not define what constitutes a disability or a reasonable adjustment, the courts decide this on a case by case basis. A common prejudice is that people think of disabilities, first as someone in a wheelchair and maybe secondly of a blind person. A disability may in fact be mental, &lsquo;invisible&rsquo; (e.g. epilepsy) or in fact any chronic condition that disables someone. The comment &ldquo;Someone with no legs shouldn't sue Ford because it is hard to drive.&rdquo; is not relevant because Ford do provide cars that may be driven by someone with no legs- certainly an automatic with hand controls is available in the UK. The linked article specifically mentions &lsquo;World of Warcraft&rsquo; which for the terms of the DDA is a web-based business operating in the UK. There is a very clear precedent here with Odeon Cinemas (a UK chain) not providing a website that was accessible with alternative browsers: before <a href="http://networks.silicon.com/webwatch/0,39024667,39124215,00.htm" title="silicon.com" rel="nofollow">http://networks.silicon.com/webwatch/0,39024667,39124215,00.htm</a> [silicon.com] and after <a href="http://www.odeon.co.uk/fanatic/accessibility/" title="odeon.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.odeon.co.uk/fanatic/accessibility/</a> [odeon.co.uk] The alternative of course would be to not do business in the UK</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the UK we have the Disability Discrimination Act (    DDA    ) ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability \ _Discrimination \ _Act \ _1995 [ wikipedia.org ] ) This requires that service providers do not provide a disabled person with a lesser degree of service than a person who is not disabled and that they make reasonable adjustments to facilitate this .
Any public website based in the UK would be bound by this legislation .
Cases are heard in a criminal court with a jury .
Statute law does not define what constitutes a disability or a reasonable adjustment , the courts decide this on a case by case basis .
A common prejudice is that people think of disabilities , first as someone in a wheelchair and maybe secondly of a blind person .
A disability may in fact be mental ,    invisible    ( e.g .
epilepsy ) or in fact any chronic condition that disables someone .
The comment    Someone with no legs should n't sue Ford because it is hard to drive.    is not relevant because Ford do provide cars that may be driven by someone with no legs- certainly an automatic with hand controls is available in the UK .
The linked article specifically mentions    World of Warcraft    which for the terms of the DDA is a web-based business operating in the UK .
There is a very clear precedent here with Odeon Cinemas ( a UK chain ) not providing a website that was accessible with alternative browsers : before http : //networks.silicon.com/webwatch/0,39024667,39124215,00.htm [ silicon.com ] and after http : //www.odeon.co.uk/fanatic/accessibility/ [ odeon.co.uk ] The alternative of course would be to not do business in the UK</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the UK we have the Disability Discrimination Act (‘DDA’) ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability\_Discrimination\_Act\_1995 [wikipedia.org] ) This requires that service providers do not provide a disabled person with a lesser degree of service than a person who is not disabled and that they make reasonable adjustments to facilitate this.
Any public website based in the UK would be bound by this legislation.
Cases are heard in a criminal court with a jury.
Statute law does not define what constitutes a disability or a reasonable adjustment, the courts decide this on a case by case basis.
A common prejudice is that people think of disabilities, first as someone in a wheelchair and maybe secondly of a blind person.
A disability may in fact be mental, ‘invisible’ (e.g.
epilepsy) or in fact any chronic condition that disables someone.
The comment “Someone with no legs shouldn't sue Ford because it is hard to drive.” is not relevant because Ford do provide cars that may be driven by someone with no legs- certainly an automatic with hand controls is available in the UK.
The linked article specifically mentions ‘World of Warcraft’ which for the terms of the DDA is a web-based business operating in the UK.
There is a very clear precedent here with Odeon Cinemas (a UK chain) not providing a website that was accessible with alternative browsers: before http://networks.silicon.com/webwatch/0,39024667,39124215,00.htm [silicon.com] and after http://www.odeon.co.uk/fanatic/accessibility/ [odeon.co.uk] The alternative of course would be to not do business in the UK</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30298398</id>
	<title>Seems like a market to me...</title>
	<author>gedrin</author>
	<datestamp>1259601960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>1. Handicapped people, much like everyone else, want to play games and are willing to pay money to do so.<br>
2. People who make games want to sell games.<br>
3. Handicapped people, much like everyone else, are reluctant to throw away $60 on a game they may not be able to play.<br> <br>
Seems like someone should have the job of creating a set of developer tools along the lines of "Unreal Engine - Color Blind" or "DirectAccessibility".  Games with such features could then bear an industry logo, white D-pad on blue field or some such, to signify a certain accessibility standard.<br>Some sort of accessability labeling is an idea worth thinking about anyway, and I'd honestly expect Nintendo, with their "all ages" marketing, to lead the way.  Being able to purchase a game with reasonable confidence that you'll be able to play it would make purchasing decisions easier, and sell more games to people for whom that is a concern.<br>On a final note, as a guy who gets around on crutches, I think it's a pretty lame move to sue a consumer goods producer because they don't cater to your own special snowflake problems.  For my self, if I don't think a store is easy to get around in and shop at, I go to a different store.  Game makers are likely loosing sales to people with various problems because those people have the expectation that they won't have an enjoyable experience for their $60.  For such a natural market for their product, it seems like an issue that could be overcome, but suing based on "how dare you not make the game good for me with my individual needs" doesn't strike me as a very adult way of working in the world.</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Handicapped people , much like everyone else , want to play games and are willing to pay money to do so .
2. People who make games want to sell games .
3. Handicapped people , much like everyone else , are reluctant to throw away $ 60 on a game they may not be able to play .
Seems like someone should have the job of creating a set of developer tools along the lines of " Unreal Engine - Color Blind " or " DirectAccessibility " .
Games with such features could then bear an industry logo , white D-pad on blue field or some such , to signify a certain accessibility standard.Some sort of accessability labeling is an idea worth thinking about anyway , and I 'd honestly expect Nintendo , with their " all ages " marketing , to lead the way .
Being able to purchase a game with reasonable confidence that you 'll be able to play it would make purchasing decisions easier , and sell more games to people for whom that is a concern.On a final note , as a guy who gets around on crutches , I think it 's a pretty lame move to sue a consumer goods producer because they do n't cater to your own special snowflake problems .
For my self , if I do n't think a store is easy to get around in and shop at , I go to a different store .
Game makers are likely loosing sales to people with various problems because those people have the expectation that they wo n't have an enjoyable experience for their $ 60 .
For such a natural market for their product , it seems like an issue that could be overcome , but suing based on " how dare you not make the game good for me with my individual needs " does n't strike me as a very adult way of working in the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Handicapped people, much like everyone else, want to play games and are willing to pay money to do so.
2. People who make games want to sell games.
3. Handicapped people, much like everyone else, are reluctant to throw away $60 on a game they may not be able to play.
Seems like someone should have the job of creating a set of developer tools along the lines of "Unreal Engine - Color Blind" or "DirectAccessibility".
Games with such features could then bear an industry logo, white D-pad on blue field or some such, to signify a certain accessibility standard.Some sort of accessability labeling is an idea worth thinking about anyway, and I'd honestly expect Nintendo, with their "all ages" marketing, to lead the way.
Being able to purchase a game with reasonable confidence that you'll be able to play it would make purchasing decisions easier, and sell more games to people for whom that is a concern.On a final note, as a guy who gets around on crutches, I think it's a pretty lame move to sue a consumer goods producer because they don't cater to your own special snowflake problems.
For my self, if I don't think a store is easy to get around in and shop at, I go to a different store.
Game makers are likely loosing sales to people with various problems because those people have the expectation that they won't have an enjoyable experience for their $60.
For such a natural market for their product, it seems like an issue that could be overcome, but suing based on "how dare you not make the game good for me with my individual needs" doesn't strike me as a very adult way of working in the world.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30297464</id>
	<title>Re:This is absolute nonesense</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259597520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ignorant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ignorant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ignorant.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30297440</id>
	<title>Re:Projection and Denial</title>
	<author>thesandtiger</author>
	<datestamp>1259597340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can't do anything about it because you're a sheep, and you're willing to accept whatever the world hands you as the way it is because you don't have the gumption to try and make things better. This guy does.</p><p>A reasonable person adapts themselves to the world; an unreasonable person adapts the world to themselves; all progress is made by unreasonable people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't do anything about it because you 're a sheep , and you 're willing to accept whatever the world hands you as the way it is because you do n't have the gumption to try and make things better .
This guy does.A reasonable person adapts themselves to the world ; an unreasonable person adapts the world to themselves ; all progress is made by unreasonable people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't do anything about it because you're a sheep, and you're willing to accept whatever the world hands you as the way it is because you don't have the gumption to try and make things better.
This guy does.A reasonable person adapts themselves to the world; an unreasonable person adapts the world to themselves; all progress is made by unreasonable people.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_065259.30295990</id>
	<title>Re:Projection and Denial</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259587740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You may not be able to change a disability, but a piece of code can be changed or have features added.</p><p>If there was something you enjoyed, but had a hard time doing, you're saying you would just give up on it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You may not be able to change a disability , but a piece of code can be changed or have features added.If there was something you enjoyed , but had a hard time doing , you 're saying you would just give up on it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may not be able to change a disability, but a piece of code can be changed or have features added.If there was something you enjoyed, but had a hard time doing, you're saying you would just give up on it?</sentencetext>
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